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| hongbin | #startmeeting zun | 03:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 15 03:01:17 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hongbin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 03:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 03:01 |
| eliqiao | o/ | 03:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'zun' | 03:01 |
| hongbin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Zun#Agenda_for_2016-11-08_0300_UTC Today's agenda | 03:01 |
| hongbin | #topic Roll Call | 03:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:01 | |
| Namrata | Namrata | 03:01 |
| mkrai | Madhuri Kumari | 03:01 |
| Wenzhi | Wenzhi | 03:01 |
| shubhams | Shubham Sharma | 03:01 |
| pksingh | pradeep, | 03:01 |
| kevinz | kevinz | 03:01 |
| hongbin | Thanks for joining hte meeting eliqiao Namrata mkrai Wenzhi shubhams pksingh kevinz | 03:02 |
| eliqiao | Eli Qiao | 03:02 |
| hongbin | #topic Announcements | 03:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:02 | |
| hongbin | 1. Zun is going to have a PTL election | 03:02 |
| hongbin | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-November/107010.html | 03:02 |
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| hongbin | I am going to submit my candidacy soon | 03:02 |
| hongbin | After the PTL is elected, I will submit an application to join the big-tent | 03:02 |
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| eliqiao | +1 for hongbin | 03:03 |
| Wenzhi | cool | 03:03 |
| shubhams | Thats great | 03:03 |
| kevinz | cool | 03:03 |
| pksingh | :) | 03:03 |
| mkrai | :) | 03:03 |
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| hongbin | Then, we become officially openstack project :) | 03:03 |
| Namrata | great | 03:03 |
| Wenzhi | bravo | 03:03 |
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| hongbin | #topic Review Action Items | 03:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review Action Items (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:03 | |
| kenji-i | cool | 03:03 |
| hongbin | 1. hongbin create a bp for adding support for secure container (DONE) | 03:03 |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/support-secure-container | 03:04 |
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| hongbin | mkrai: i assigned it to you, since you looks interesting to work on this | 03:04 |
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| pksingh | hongbin: will be using hyper or clear containers? | 03:04 |
| hongbin | mkrai: do you have time to take it? | 03:04 |
| mkrai | Ok thanks I will work on it | 03:04 |
| hongbin | pksingh: depend on mkrai :) | 03:05 |
| mkrai | pksingh: clear container as of now | 03:05 |
| pksingh | hongbin: mkrai: if i can help that would be greate | 03:05 |
| mkrai | sure pksingh. Thanks | 03:05 |
| pksingh | hongbin: ok | 03:05 |
| hongbin | mkrai: pksingh : sure. for big bp, i encourage us to pair up | 03:05 |
| hongbin | since the work is big, so two people is better | 03:06 |
| hongbin | 2. hongbin create a bp for k8s integration (DONE) | 03:06 |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/k8s-integration | 03:06 |
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| hongbin | I need a volunteer for this one | 03:06 |
| shubhams | I would love to be | 03:07 |
| hongbin | i set the bp to highest priority since it is frequently requested by people | 03:07 |
| pksingh | pksingh: i can pair up with subham | 03:07 |
| mkrai | I can help too | 03:07 |
| hongbin | shubhams: ack | 03:07 |
| shubhams | thanks pksingh mkrai | 03:07 |
| eliqiao | sign up for helping reviewing too. | 03:07 |
| mkrai | This one will need lots of discussion | 03:08 |
| hongbin | shubhams: pksingh mkrai : i will assign it to shubhams , but he don't need to do all the work | 03:08 |
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| shubhams | mkrai: I agree | 03:08 |
| mkrai | hongbin: cool | 03:08 |
| hongbin | yes, it would be great if we have 3 people for that. | 03:08 |
| pksingh | hongbin: mkrai shubhams we can pair up :) | 03:09 |
| shubhams | hongbin: Sounds good to me | 03:09 |
| hongbin | shubhams: i rely on you to coordinate the work with mkrai and pksingh :) | 03:09 |
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| shubhams | hongbin: You can be assured | 03:09 |
| hongbin | shubhams: i am going to add this to the weekly team meeting agenda | 03:09 |
| shubhams | hongbin: ack | 03:09 |
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| hongbin | that means i expect any of you to report the status of this bp to the team every week | 03:10 |
| hongbin | is it ok for you guys? | 03:10 |
| pksingh | hongbin: ok for me | 03:10 |
| mkrai | Yes +1 | 03:10 |
| shubhams | works for me | 03:10 |
| eliqiao | cool | 03:10 |
| hongbin | #action hongbin add k8s bp to weekly meeting agenda | 03:11 |
| hongbin | ok, let's move on | 03:11 |
| hongbin | #topic Support interactive mode (kevinz) | 03:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Support interactive mode (kevinz) (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:11 | |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/support-interactive-mode The BP | 03:11 |
| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/396841/ The design spec | 03:11 |
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| hongbin | kevinz: :) | 03:11 |
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| kevinz | I'm thinking about when zun-compute and client are not in the same node | 03:12 |
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| kevinz | I've tried and this method works | 03:12 |
| pksingh | kevinz: client means, zun-client? | 03:12 |
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| kevinz | yeah | 03:12 |
| hongbin | kevinz: maybe you could briefly explain what you already did so far | 03:13 |
| kevinz | I will modified the spec according to hongbin and shubhams' comments | 03:13 |
| hongbin | kevinz: then, explain what is missing and what you are going to work on | 03:13 |
| kevinz | hongbin: in the spec? | 03:13 |
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| hongbin | kevinz: yes, briefly explain the approach you proposed in the spec | 03:14 |
| kevinz | hongbin: OK | 03:14 |
| kevinz | no problem | 03:14 |
| hongbin | kevinz: since not everyone have reviewed the bp so far, so it is better to give a briefing first | 03:14 |
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| kevinz | OK. I plan to refer to the library, dockerpty | 03:15 |
| hongbin | #link https://github.com/d11wtq/dockerpty | 03:15 |
| kevinz | We can create the stdin stdout stderr to connect to the docker tty | 03:16 |
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| kevinz | docker tty is easy to create when we pass the parameters tty=True and stdin_open=True ,when creating container | 03:16 |
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| kevinz | Then in python-zunclient, use stdin stdout stderr to connect the docker tty we will get a pesudo tty | 03:18 |
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| hongbin | kevinz: get that | 03:19 |
| kevinz | But dockerpty doesn't satisfied all our request, so I will refer to this to re-write the code | 03:19 |
| sudipto | This is good solution when you have the zunclient residing on the same machine as the one running the docker container... | 03:19 |
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| pksingh | sudipto: +1, | 03:19 |
| hongbin | sudipto: you stated the key problem :) | 03:19 |
| pksingh | kevinz: how over rest api? do we need some hijacking of http? | 03:20 |
| hongbin | i believe kevinz is working on solving this problem | 03:20 |
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| sudipto | we may have to devise a way to redirect the output to a console.log or a sttderr.log and then read that file remotely... (thinking the VM analogy) | 03:20 |
| kevinz | Yeah ,another method is refering to how Nova deal | 03:20 |
| sudipto | hongbin, yeah i stated the obvious :) | 03:21 |
| pksingh | i think kubectl client for k8 does the same, we can look there if anyone knows golang | 03:21 |
| kevinz | sudipto: pksigh: dockerpty also can work and connect remote docker daemon | 03:22 |
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| hongbin | i don't think zun allowed python-zunclient to connect to docker daemon directly | 03:22 |
| hongbin | if users have to connect to docker deamon, it must go through the zun api | 03:23 |
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| kevinz | hongbin: Then I think nova console give the good method | 03:23 |
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| eliqiao | mean another service to do FWDing? | 03:24 |
| kevinz | will get a redirection | 03:24 |
| kevinz | Yeah | 03:24 |
| eliqiao | hmm... I kinds doubt that the interactive mode. | 03:24 |
| eliqiao | container's differnet with VM. no need too much login operation on containers. | 03:25 |
| pksingh | eliqiao: +1 | 03:25 |
| hongbin | hmm, let's discuss it. | 03:25 |
| eliqiao | just my 2 cents. | 03:25 |
| kevinz | we can use a method to auto connect the redirection link? | 03:26 |
| hongbin | sudipto: i think you also have doubts on the interactive mode as well? | 03:26 |
| kevinz | juse link a project "https://github.com/larsks/novaconsole" does | 03:27 |
| sudipto | hongbin, no doubts about interactive mode. It all depends on what you want to achieve with it. I agree with eliqiao that there's not much of an interaction really needed with containers. However I do see the logs being important. | 03:27 |
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| eliqiao | hongbin: I am not strong disagree with it. just don't want us to waste more time on it if it's hard to implement it. | 03:27 |
| hongbin | eliqiao: get that | 03:28 |
| hongbin | sudipto: ack | 03:28 |
| hongbin | kevinz: i think sudipto & eliqiao gave an important suggestion | 03:28 |
| hongbin | kevinz: then, you can first investigate the feasibility to implement this feature | 03:29 |
| sudipto | if you want to allow interactive mode, we may have to look at something like a vncclient | 03:29 |
| kevinz | hongbin: OK | 03:29 |
| hongbin | kevinz: if it turns out to be hard to implement, let's bring it back to the team to discuss | 03:29 |
| hongbin | i think interactive mode might be good from user experience point of vie | 03:29 |
| hongbin | view | 03:29 |
| kevinz | hongbin: Yeah for user it really important experience | 03:30 |
| hongbin | but, it might not be so important, we can consider it as an optional feature | 03:30 |
| kevinz | OK I will continue investigating this | 03:30 |
| hongbin | kevinz: thanks | 03:30 |
| hongbin | any other question regarding to this topic? | 03:31 |
| kevinz | my pleasure | 03:31 |
| sudipto | The interactive mode sort of falls under the attach and exec discussions as well, no? | 03:31 |
| hongbin | sudipto: yes | 03:31 |
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| sudipto | alrite. | 03:32 |
| hongbin | ok, move on | 03:32 |
| hongbin | #topic Container image store (mkrai) | 03:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Container image store (mkrai) (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:32 | |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/glance-integration The BP | 03:32 |
| hongbin | mkrai: ^^ | 03:32 |
| mkrai | I have implemented the last patch to store image in glance when we pull from docker | 03:32 |
| mkrai | But there is some issue storing the image in glance | 03:33 |
| mkrai | I am looking at it and will post the patch by today eod | 03:33 |
| hongbin | mkrai: what are the issues? | 03:33 |
| mkrai | After this patch, we can mark this bp complete | 03:33 |
| mkrai | error reading data from http response object | 03:34 |
| hongbin | i see | 03:34 |
| mkrai | I tried it outside zun and it worked well | 03:34 |
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| mkrai | But not sure why isn't it working inside zun | 03:34 |
| hongbin | mkrai: just let us know if you need help for that | 03:35 |
| hongbin | mkrai: in general, the glance integration is almost finish, which is a good progress | 03:36 |
| hongbin | thanks mkrai and shubhams and all others for the hard work | 03:36 |
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| pksingh | yes mkrai and shubhams did great work :) | 03:37 |
| hongbin | ok, next topic | 03:37 |
| hongbin | #topic Container network (hongbin) | 03:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Container network (hongbin) (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:37 | |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/neutron-integration The BP | 03:37 |
| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/365754/ The proposed spec (merged) | 03:37 |
| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/380646/ The patch | 03:37 |
| hongbin | The link above is the patch, which implement a complete soluation | 03:38 |
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| hongbin | however, it looks the patch is too large, so i am going to split the patch into several | 03:38 |
| mkrai_ | Sorry got dc. I will continue in open discussion | 03:38 |
| hongbin | this is the first split-out patch | 03:39 |
| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/396896/ | 03:39 |
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| hongbin | i am going to do this step-by-step | 03:39 |
| hongbin | first, implement sandbox without nova | 03:39 |
| hongbin | second, i am going to add another driver (called novadocker), which uses nova to implement the sandbox | 03:40 |
| hongbin | thrid, duplicated the first docker driver (tbd) | 03:40 |
| mkrai_ | hongbin: this will implement the nova-integration bp as well. Right? | 03:40 |
| hongbin | mkrai_: no, nova integration is a different bp | 03:41 |
| hongbin | mkrai_: the nova integration bp is for using nova api to connect to zun | 03:41 |
| mkrai_ | he novadocker driver will include the work I guess | 03:41 |
| hongbin | mkrai_: this bp is for using novadocker as a coe | 03:41 |
| reedip | armax : Just got your message(reedip: if you can unblock https://review.openstack.org/#/c/393011/, that would be great) , will do this | 03:41 |
| hongbin | mkrai_: ?? | 03:42 |
| mkrai_ | we can use the same driver for creating containers | 03:42 |
| hongbin | ok, i need to explain that | 03:42 |
| mkrai_ | Thanks that will be great | 03:43 |
| hongbin | for sandbox proposal, we use nova (with docker virt driver) to provision sandbox | 03:43 |
| hongbin | for nova integration, i guess it is for implementing a virt driver that connects to zun | 03:44 |
| hongbin | it will be a zun virt driver | 03:44 |
| mkrai_ | Ok I will look at your patch to understand this | 03:45 |
| Namrata | i will also have a look | 03:45 |
| hongbin | ok | 03:45 |
| mkrai_ | It seems bit confusing to me and I will get back to you in case of any concern | 03:45 |
| hongbin | ok | 03:45 |
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| hongbin | then, let's move on | 03:46 |
| hongbin | #topic Open Discussion | 03:46 |
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| mkrai_ | I want to discuss about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/395552/ | 03:46 |
| mkrai_ | This bp has 'image search' API | 03:46 |
| mkrai_ | In docker, the search returns image with matching string | 03:47 |
| mkrai_ | And thats seems correct. But I think there should also be option to search exact image name | 03:47 |
| mkrai_ | Also search image with tag also | 03:47 |
| mkrai_ | which currently docker lacks | 03:48 |
| mkrai_ | So how do team want zun search to work like? | 03:48 |
| hongbin | mkrai_: as i commented in the patch, i think it is a good idea to have an option like --exact | 03:48 |
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| hongbin | mkrai_: this option will search image by exact name | 03:49 |
| pksingh | hongbin: +1 | 03:49 |
| lakerzhou | Hi there, we (lenovo) are actively looking to work with openstack container project. we might have two engineers planning to join ZUN. Is there particular bugs/blueprint that we can start with. | 03:49 |
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| mkrai_ | Ok sounds good to me. I will update the patch | 03:49 |
| shubhams | hongbin: should this option be exposed to users ? | 03:49 |
| hongbin | mkrai_: for tag, i am not sure, maybe you could have another option | 03:49 |
| mkrai_ | shubhams: yes | 03:50 |
| hongbin | shubhams: yes :) | 03:50 |
| pksingh | mkrai_: one more suggestion, url should be /image/search?name=xyz,exact=true | 03:50 |
| mkrai_ | hongbin: we can add filters also but currently docker doesn't have this option | 03:50 |
| hongbin | lakerzhou: good to hear that | 03:50 |
| pksingh | hongbin: what do u think? | 03:50 |
| mkrai_ | pksingh: our REST APIs have been implemented this way | 03:50 |
| hongbin | mkrai_: pksingh not sure right now, need to look into it | 03:51 |
| mkrai_ | pksingh: I am ok with the current format | 03:51 |
| mkrai_ | pksingh: Can you tell me the reason for this change? | 03:52 |
| pksingh | mkrai_: i think current is /image/name/search? | 03:52 |
| mkrai_ | pksingh: yes | 03:52 |
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| hongbin | lakerzhou: i will work with you to figure it out | 03:52 |
| pksingh | mkrai_: what i think, search always work this way, am i right? | 03:53 |
| pksingh | mkrai_: you search anything in a collection by query? | 03:53 |
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| pksingh | mkrai_: no hard line from me, just a suggestion | 03:54 |
| mkrai_ | pksingh: yes agree. | 03:54 |
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| mkrai_ | I don't think it is feasible to change just one API | 03:54 |
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| mkrai_ | Other APIs are designed this way for ex /containers/{ID}/logs etc | 03:55 |
| pksingh | mkrai_: you can, just pass key=value to search method | 03:55 |
| lakerzhou | Hongbin, I was disconnected, maybe I missed something. Do you have any recommendations for starters? | 03:56 |
| pksingh | mkrai_: but for them we know the ID, right and we also know that they exist in collection | 03:56 |
| hongbin | lakerzhou: i will work with you offline to figure it out (i don't have a list right now) | 03:56 |
| mkrai_ | We need to change the routing then | 03:56 |
| pksingh | mkrai_: either way is ok, just conveying the way docker and goole search api works | 03:56 |
| pksingh | mkrai_: i dont think so my patch for 'zun run' works with query parameter | 03:57 |
| lakerzhou | Thanks a lot. Hongbin. I will join zun irc channel more often. | 03:57 |
| pksingh | mkrai_: and delete also takes force=true in query? | 03:58 |
| mkrai_ | pksingh: It will work | 03:58 |
| mkrai_ | What param do you need to pass to run? | 03:58 |
| pksingh | start=True | 03:58 |
| hongbin | lakerzhou: thanks for your interests to contribute to zun, looking forward to work with you in the future | 03:58 |
| pksingh | mkrai_: we can discuss later, i am ok with both the ways | 03:59 |
| mkrai_ | pksingh: And the endpoint? | 03:59 |
| hongbin | ok, time is up | 03:59 |
| mkrai_ | pksingh: Ok sure | 03:59 |
| hongbin | overflow on zun channel | 03:59 |
| hongbin | all, thanks for joining hte meeting | 03:59 |
| mkrai_ | Thanks all! | 03:59 |
| hongbin | #endmeeting | 03:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 03:59 | |
| pksingh | thanks all :) | 03:59 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 15 03:59:31 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 03:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2016/zun.2016-11-15-03.01.html | 03:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2016/zun.2016-11-15-03.01.txt | 03:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2016/zun.2016-11-15-03.01.log.html | 03:59 |
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| mkrai_ | lakerzhou: Hi | 04:05 |
| mkrai_ | Can you come over to #openstack-zun? | 04:05 |
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| mkrai_ | lakerzhou: You can take this bp https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/basic-container-scheduler | 04:06 |
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| yanyanhu | #startmeeting senlin | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 15 13:00:05 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is yanyanhu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: senlin)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'senlin' | 13:00 |
| yanyanhu | hello | 13:00 |
| Qiming | hi | 13:00 |
| yanyanhu | hi, Qiming | 13:00 |
| lixinhui | hi | 13:01 |
| yanyanhu | hi, lixinhui | 13:01 |
| yanyanhu | lets wait for a while for other attenders | 13:01 |
| lixinhui | ok | 13:01 |
| lvdongbing | hi, all | 13:01 |
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| yanyanhu | hi, lvdongbing | 13:01 |
| elynn | o/ | 13:01 |
| yanyanhu | hello, elynn :) | 13:02 |
| yanyanhu | ok, lets start | 13:02 |
| yanyanhu | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SenlinAgenda#Agenda_.282016-11-15_1300_UTC.29 | 13:02 |
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| yanyanhu | here is the agenda, please feel free to add items | 13:02 |
| yanyanhu | hi, XueFeng | 13:03 |
| XueFeng | hi,all | 13:03 |
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| XueFeng | :) | 13:03 |
| yanyanhu | ok, first topic is ocata work items, as usual | 13:03 |
| yanyanhu | #topic ocata work item | 13:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "ocata work item (Meeting topic: senlin)" | 13:03 | |
| yanyanhu | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/senlin-ocata-workitems | 13:03 |
| yanyanhu | performance test, no progress | 13:03 |
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| yanyanhu | will consider to move it back to TODO list since may don't have time to work on it in short time | 13:04 |
| yanyanhu | Health management | 13:04 |
| Qiming | wondering we can have someone from CMCC work on it | 13:04 |
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| yanyanhu | Qiming, that will be great | 13:04 |
| yanyanhu | maybe we can talk with junwei about it? | 13:05 |
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| Qiming | Junwei told me that he will consider this, but we have to check with him | 13:05 |
| yanyanhu | the basic support has been there, just need to add more context and scenario support | 13:05 |
| yanyanhu | Qiming, ok | 13:05 |
| Qiming | yes | 13:05 |
| XueFeng | how to do this test | 13:05 |
| Qiming | it is about rally plugin, XueFeng | 13:06 |
| XueFeng | got it | 13:06 |
| yanyanhu | XueFeng, you can refer to the wiki of rally to get the basic guide about using rally. Senlin scenario has been added to rally in last cycle | 13:06 |
| yanyanhu | so you can use rally to evaluate the performance of some typical senlin operations like cluster creating/deleting | 13:07 |
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| yanyanhu | if you need more information or guide about it, please free feel to ping me :) | 13:07 |
| XueFeng | OK | 13:07 |
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| yanyanhu | ok, lets move on | 13:07 |
| yanyanhu | health management | 13:07 |
| yanyanhu | hi, Qiming, lixinhui | 13:07 |
| yanyanhu | your turn | 13:08 |
| Qiming | no update in this thread | 13:08 |
| lixinhui | I tried mistral in the past week | 13:08 |
| lixinhui | and found it only | 13:08 |
| yanyanhu | I noticed elynn sent mail to adam to ask for the meeting time of HA team | 13:08 |
| lixinhui | provide retry | 13:08 |
| yanyanhu | but haven't got response yet? | 13:08 |
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| elynn | no response yet. | 13:08 |
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| yanyanhu | lixinhui, you mean retry of workflow? | 13:09 |
| elynn | I saw nobody attend their meeting yesterday | 13:09 |
| lixinhui | ... | 13:09 |
| yanyanhu | elynn, I see... | 13:09 |
| lixinhui | elynn | 13:09 |
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| lixinhui | did they skip the meeting this week | 13:09 |
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| lixinhui | ? | 13:09 |
| lixinhui | no people contribute | 13:09 |
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| elynn | No, they don't ,but besides chair man, no one attend it | 13:09 |
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| lixinhui | ok... | 13:10 |
| yanyanhu | maybe we can consider to add topics to discuss if needed | 13:10 |
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| lixinhui | adam is the key person | 13:11 |
| lixinhui | I think | 13:11 |
| yanyanhu | yes, at least we can make some sync with them | 13:11 |
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| lixinhui | you can do it as PTL of senlin :) | 13:11 |
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| lixinhui | then we contribute labor | 13:12 |
| yanyanhu | lixinhui, sure. But I'm not the expert of HA :) | 13:12 |
| yanyanhu | I can just help to bridge you guys | 13:12 |
| lixinhui | elynn can keep touch adam for the base | 13:12 |
| yanyanhu | yes, so at least, we need get their response I feel :) | 13:13 |
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| elynn | no problem lixinhui | 13:13 |
| lixinhui | :) | 13:13 |
| yanyanhu | will talk with elynn and Qiming about it | 13:14 |
| yanyanhu | to see how to drive this work | 13:14 |
| lixinhui | ok | 13:14 |
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| lixinhui | the retry of mistral is based on times | 13:14 |
| lixinhui | of execute some action | 13:14 |
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| yanyanhu | so retry is enabled by default? | 13:14 |
| lixinhui | and time of wait between different try | 13:14 |
| yanyanhu | e.g. when a workflow fails, it will be reexecuted automatically? | 13:15 |
| lixinhui | no, need configure when define the actiom | 13:15 |
| yanyanhu | I see | 13:15 |
| yanyanhu | how mistrival decides workflow succeeds or not? | 13:15 |
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| lixinhui | they can not judge based on any status | 13:16 |
| lixinhui | just execute the defined sequence | 13:16 |
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| lixinhui | there are quiet big gap as we expect | 13:16 |
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| yanyanhu | um, if so, how to decide whether try is needed? | 13:16 |
| elynn | will it interrupt when some tasks were failed? | 13:17 |
| yanyanhu | ok, so sounds it doesn't work as we expected before... | 13:17 |
| lixinhui | that is the problem I raise this problem, yanyanhu | 13:17 |
| lixinhui | yes, elynn | 13:17 |
| lixinhui | it can switch to some branch if exception is got | 13:17 |
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| lixinhui | but still very easy control nowdays | 13:18 |
| yanyanhu | I see. | 13:18 |
| lixinhui | qiming, one question is difference between us with workflow based recover | 13:18 |
| yanyanhu | oh, btw, do we need to contribute code to mistral if we want it to support senlin workflow? | 13:18 |
| lixinhui | Qiming, could you share your mind to compare the two? | 13:19 |
| yanyanhu | e.g. by implementing a plugin/driver for senlin | 13:19 |
| Qiming | no idea/experience with mistral ... | 13:19 |
| lixinhui | yanyanhu, I will investigate more about this | 13:19 |
| yanyanhu | lixinhui, great, thanks | 13:19 |
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| lixinhui | okay, Qiming | 13:20 |
| lixinhui | that is my part. | 13:20 |
| Qiming | it is all about vm ha ... could be an engine/policy-centric solution, could be a workflow centric solution | 13:20 |
| Qiming | need some evaluation on the second one to make decision | 13:20 |
| lixinhui | oh | 13:20 |
| lixinhui | yes, you are right | 13:20 |
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| lixinhui | will discuss with you when find more | 13:21 |
| lixinhui | that is my part update | 13:21 |
| yanyanhu | lixinhui, great, thanks for the effort | 13:21 |
| yanyanhu | ok, next one | 13:21 |
| yanyanhu | document, no progress I think | 13:22 |
| yanyanhu | versioned request | 13:22 |
| yanyanhu | me, Ruijie, XueFeng and lvdongbing are working on it | 13:22 |
| yanyanhu | receiver is almost done, only left ones are support for receiver delete and trigger | 13:23 |
| yanyanhu | Ruijie, is policy support done as well? | 13:23 |
| Ruijie | yes, yanyanhu | 13:23 |
| Ruijie | policy and policy type have been done | 13:23 |
| yanyanhu | ok, great, will remove it from etherpad | 13:23 |
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| yanyanhu | hi, lvdongbing, how about profile support? | 13:23 |
| lvdongbing | it's in good progress | 13:24 |
| yanyanhu | nice | 13:24 |
| Qiming | one thing is about the change to object field, the json schema generated now will skip the 'required' property if no property is actually needed | 13:24 |
| Qiming | this will help ease some request modeling | 13:24 |
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| yanyanhu | Qiming, ok. Currently all objects have at least one field who is not nullable | 13:25 |
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| yanyanhu | XueFeng is working on action/event support. I think it is in good progress as well | 13:25 |
| XueFeng | Yes | 13:26 |
| XueFeng | A question | 13:26 |
| XueFeng | action create/delete not support in client | 13:26 |
| yanyanhu | yes | 13:26 |
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| yanyanhu | XueFeng, good question :) | 13:27 |
| XueFeng | And in api layer,delete not support | 13:27 |
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| XueFeng | in engine layer create/delete all support | 13:27 |
| yanyanhu | we do have the plan to let users to customize and create/delete action(s) | 13:27 |
| yanyanhu | or even suspend/resume | 13:27 |
| yanyanhu | but we haven't figured out what is the appropriate way to implement it. | 13:28 |
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| yanyanhu | so you can see related service call is left there | 13:28 |
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| yanyanhu | but no related API interfaces are exposed to end user | 13:29 |
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| XueFeng | Ok, So in engine layer create/delete need changed to versioned request. | 13:29 |
| yanyanhu | XueFeng, yes, I think so | 13:29 |
| yanyanhu | we can define it now | 13:29 |
| yanyanhu | and use it to implement API interface in future | 13:29 |
| XueFeng | Ok ,will do this | 13:30 |
| yanyanhu | XueFeng, great, thanks a lot :) | 13:30 |
| yanyanhu | ok, lets move on? | 13:30 |
| yanyanhu | container profile | 13:30 |
| XueFeng | move | 13:30 |
| yanyanhu | haiwei is not here I think | 13:30 |
| yanyanhu | no progress as well I guess | 13:31 |
| yanyanhu | next one | 13:31 |
| yanyanhu | event/notification | 13:31 |
| yanyanhu | Qiming 's spec has been merged | 13:31 |
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| yanyanhu | I believe all of the team have checked it | 13:31 |
| yanyanhu | so lets wait for the patch from Qiming and have further discussion based on it | 13:32 |
| elynn | what spec? | 13:32 |
| Qiming | yes working on it | 13:32 |
| yanyanhu | elynn, the spec about notification/event support | 13:33 |
| yanyanhu | https://review.openstack.org/394874 | 13:33 |
| elynn | okay~ | 13:33 |
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| yanyanhu | looking forward to the patch :) | 13:34 |
| yanyanhu | ok, next one | 13:34 |
| yanyanhu | batch policy | 13:34 |
| yanyanhu | should have been done by Ruijie | 13:34 |
| yanyanhu | will remove it | 13:34 |
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| yanyanhu | NFV/baremetal support | 13:34 |
| yanyanhu | no progress I guess | 13:35 |
| Ruijie | yanyanhu, I want to resume it later.. | 13:35 |
| Ruijie | :) | 13:35 |
| yanyanhu | Ruijie, ok, please add it back to etherpad if you further work on it :) | 13:35 |
| Ruijie | okay :) | 13:35 |
| elynn | I think baremetal is not fully supported by sdk? | 13:35 |
| yanyanhu | elynn, no sure about it... | 13:36 |
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| yanyanhu | if so, we may need to add more support for ironic into sdk first | 13:36 |
| yanyanhu | ok, that's all work items in etherpad | 13:36 |
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| yanyanhu | any additional ones? | 13:37 |
| yanyanhu | you guys are working on but not on the list? | 13:37 |
| yanyanhu | ok | 13:37 |
| yanyanhu | next topic | 13:37 |
| yanyanhu | #topic new core reviewer announcement | 13:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "new core reviewer announcement (Meeting topic: senlin)" | 13:38 | |
| yanyanhu | I'm very pleased to announce that Ruijie is now core reviewer of senlin :) | 13:38 |
| yanyanhu | Ruijie, congratulate | 13:38 |
| Ruijie | thanks yanyanhu. | 13:38 |
| Ruijie | So happy to work with you all. | 13:38 |
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| yanyanhu | me too | 13:38 |
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| yanyanhu | looking forward more contribution from you :) | 13:39 |
| Ruijie | I will ^ ^ | 13:39 |
| XueFeng | Congratulations,Ruijie | 13:39 |
| XueFeng | :) | 13:39 |
| Qiming | welcome | 13:39 |
| Ruijie | thanks XueFeng, Qiming | 13:39 |
| lvdongbing | welcome :) | 13:39 |
| yanyanhu | please put +2(-2 if needed:P on patches based on your review :) | 13:40 |
| Ruijie | thank lvdongbing. | 13:40 |
| yanyanhu | we do need more eyes on patches | 13:40 |
| Ruijie | yes, yanyanu, will spend more time on reviewing. | 13:40 |
| yanyanhu | thanks a lot :) | 13:40 |
| yanyanhu | ok, open discussion now | 13:41 |
| yanyanhu | #topic open discussion | 13:41 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: senlin)" | 13:41 | |
| yanyanhu | any topics you guys want to discuss? | 13:41 |
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| yanyanhu | oh, BTW, I do want to remind the team that the first miletone of ocata release will pass soon | 13:43 |
| yanyanhu | https://releases.openstack.org/ocata/schedule.html | 13:43 |
| yanyanhu | Nov. 14-18 | 13:43 |
| yanyanhu | the second one will be in a month | 13:43 |
| Qiming | this is gonna be a short cycle | 13:44 |
| XueFeng | Today is Nov. 15 | 13:44 |
| yanyanhu | so we may need to consider and adjust the plan we made if needed | 13:44 |
| yanyanhu | yes | 13:44 |
| Qiming | any high priority bugs to fix? | 13:44 |
| yanyanhu | Qiming, currently no I think. Although there are several important features we want to support after this cycle | 13:45 |
| Qiming | i see | 13:45 |
| yanyanhu | I will look through the bug list to reconfirm it | 13:46 |
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| Qiming | this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/senlin/+bug/1594352 | 13:46 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1594352 in senlin "could not list node sorted by "created_at:desc" " [High,Triaged] - Assigned to Qiming Teng (tengqim) | 13:46 |
| Qiming | may need to check if the workaround suggested by milan works | 13:47 |
| yanyanhu | ok | 13:47 |
| Qiming | the oslo.db side unit test is not an easy task for me ... haven't got cycles to dig into it | 13:48 |
| yanyanhu | Qiming, I see... I recalled you fix on oslo.db side | 13:48 |
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| yanyanhu | about the sort issue we met | 13:48 |
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| yanyanhu | ok, any more topics? | 13:49 |
| yanyanhu | if not, I guess we can finish the meeting a little bit earlier? | 13:49 |
| yanyanhu | ok, thanks all you guys for joining | 13:50 |
| XueFeng | https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-openstacksdk/+bug/1640013 | 13:50 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1640013 in OpenStack SDK "JSONDecodeError happened in senlin-api when running a senlin command" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 13:50 |
| XueFeng | this bugs in openstacksdk | 13:50 |
| XueFeng | s/bugs/bug | 13:51 |
| yanyanhu | ah | 13:51 |
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| yanyanhu | this is a bug of sdk actually | 13:51 |
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| XueFeng | need point out to help user | 13:51 |
| Qiming | it is solved in 0.9.10 | 13:51 |
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| XueFeng | yes | 13:51 |
| Qiming | it is an SDK bug | 13:51 |
| Qiming | 0.9.9 sdk is not working properly | 13:51 |
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| yanyanhu | so it influences all senlin cmds? | 13:52 |
| yanyanhu | or part of them | 13:52 |
| Qiming | global requirements have been patched to avoid 0.9.9 version: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/397650/1/requirements.txt | 13:52 |
| XueFeng | Yes,all list comment | 13:52 |
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| yanyanhu | I see | 13:52 |
| XueFeng | s/comment/command | 13:52 |
| Qiming | what else do you mean by "point out to help user", XueFeng ? | 13:52 |
| yanyanhu | just without 0.9.9, zaqar message receiver doesn't work... | 13:53 |
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| yanyanhu | so we will wait for 0.9.10 I think | 13:53 |
| XueFeng | Some user may confused if use openstacksdk-0.9.9.Point out in the meeting | 13:53 |
| Qiming | it is already there: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/397510/ | 13:53 |
| yanyanhu | great | 13:54 |
| Qiming | 0.9.10 was created and released, upper constraints raised, 0.9.9 version now forbidden | 13:54 |
| Qiming | what else do we want? | 13:54 |
| yanyanhu | if 0.9.9 is now forbidden in requirements, it is ok I think | 13:54 |
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| XueFeng | yes | 13:55 |
| Qiming | this thing has been discussed in senlin channel today | 13:55 |
| yanyanhu | ok, I see | 13:55 |
| yanyanhu | great | 13:55 |
| yanyanhu | so this bug report can be closed I guess | 13:56 |
| yanyanhu | since upper constraint has been updated | 13:56 |
| yanyanhu | ok, any more items? | 13:57 |
| yanyanhu | ok, thanks you guys again for joining :) | 13:57 |
| yanyanhu | have a good night | 13:58 |
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| yanyanhu | #endmeeting | 13:58 |
| elynn | have a good night! | 13:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 13:58 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 15 13:58:11 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:58 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2016/senlin.2016-11-15-13.00.html | 13:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2016/senlin.2016-11-15-13.00.txt | 13:58 |
| XueFeng | good night | 13:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2016/senlin.2016-11-15-13.00.log.html | 13:58 |
| yanyanhu | :) | 13:58 |
| Ruijie | good night :) | 13:58 |
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| saggi | #startmetting karbor | 15:03 |
| saggi | #startmeeting karbor | 15:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 15 15:03:47 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is saggi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: karbor)" | 15:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'karbor' | 15:03 |
| saggi | Hello everyone | 15:03 |
| yuval | hey | 15:03 |
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| leon_wang | hi | 15:04 |
| edisonxiang | hey | 15:04 |
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| chenying | hey | 15:04 |
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| saggi | #topic Multi-tenant Isolation in Managing the Checkpoints(leon_wang) | 15:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Multi-tenant Isolation in Managing the Checkpoints(leon_wang) (Meeting topic: karbor)" | 15:05 | |
| leon_wang | I updated the patch today. | 15:05 |
| chenying | I note that saggi said that we should consider cross-site solutions about checkpoints. | 15:06 |
| leon_wang | chenying:yes,and i've updated it. | 15:06 |
| saggi | We also need to remember that we do want multiple projects to see the same checkpoints since restoring to a new project is a possibility. | 15:06 |
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| leon_wang | saggi: what do you mean that multiple projects to see the same checkpoints? | 15:07 |
| saggi | tenant==project | 15:07 |
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| leon_wang | yes | 15:07 |
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| leon_wang | have you checked the latest patch? | 15:08 |
| leon_wang | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/372846/11/doc/source/specs/checkpoint-tenant-isolation.rst | 15:08 |
| chenying | It means that different tenant would restore a new site form the same checkpoints data. | 15:08 |
| saggi | A major issue with your proposal is that the format needs to change if you are doing single or multi-site. | 15:09 |
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| saggi | The use might want to start with a single site and then change to a cross-site setup | 15:10 |
| leon_wang | saggi: I don't think it's a problem because the solution between single and multi are seprate. | 15:11 |
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| saggi | That is the problem | 15:11 |
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| yuval | leon_wang: the same checkpoint should be used for both single and cross site | 15:12 |
| leon_wang | What I mean is that no matter user start with a single or multi site, the solution I proposed will be ok. | 15:12 |
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| leon_wang | yuval: You mean the project_id can not be modified? | 15:13 |
| yuval | leon_wang: not sure I understand what you mean | 15:13 |
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| chenying | I thought that cross-site means different site with one keystone, just is several sites with different AZ. | 15:14 |
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| leon_wang | yuval: You can consider it when we use iphone, after the cellphone reboot,it would forcely need user to input the password. | 15:15 |
| chenying | But as saggi said, these tenant maybe is from different keystone. | 15:15 |
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| yuval | chenying: in Ocata design summit we thought about limiting to a federated keystone | 15:15 |
| leon_wang | So the cross-site is about Karbor or OpenStack? | 15:16 |
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| chenying | How to control the access permission about the checkpoint data? Does it means that every tenant can restore the same checkpoint data to a new site? | 15:17 |
| leon_wang | yuval: As you showed the demo in the summit, the cross-site means different Keystone or one Keystone? | 15:18 |
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| yuval | leon_wang: in the summit, two completely different sites were presented. But no isolation was there | 15:18 |
| chenying | These tenants come form different openstack(keystone)/ | 15:18 |
| leon_wang | chenying:every tenant can access the checkpoint by project_pwd. | 15:18 |
| yuval | leon_wang: it means that if one site sees the same bank as the other, it can access all checkpoints (which is not desireable) | 15:18 |
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| yuval | however, we did say that there is the use case of non federated, separate keystone services | 15:20 |
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| leon_wang | yuval: I think that if user from other Keystone uses Karbor, the checkpoint_pwd will gurantee him to get access to his checkpoints. | 15:21 |
| chenying | leon_wang: site a is down. I don't think another tenant can acess the bank with project_pwd of site A. | 15:21 |
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| leon_wang | chenying:I mean if the site is down,then the identity about project_id will not work, then user can use project_pwd. | 15:23 |
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| saggi | leon_wang: Try and find me on IRC tomorrow and we'll talk about the requirements and your spec so that we can finish it quickly. OK? | 15:24 |
| chenying | what is project_pwd? | 15:24 |
| leon_wang | the project_pwd is created when a user creates a checkpoint. | 15:24 |
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| saggi | leon_wang: I'll bring you up to speed with all the requirements and constraints. | 15:24 |
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| leon_wang | chenying:when user A uses the system the first time, the system will generate a uuid corresponding with every project_id and then return it to user. You can consider it as a kind of password(can be modified by users?) with project_id. | 15:24 |
| leon_wang | saggi: ok, thanks. | 15:25 |
| saggi | #topic Protection Plugin API: https://review.openstack.org/397156 and https://review.openstack.org/348163 (yuval?) | 15:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Protection Plugin API: https://review.openstack.org/397156 and https://review.openstack.org/348163 (yuval?) (Meeting topic: karbor)" | 15:25 | |
| yuval | yes, I'm updating the spec as well as implementation of the protection plugin api | 15:25 |
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| yuval | it is important for Ocata, please dedicate some time to review it so we can get it in before the end of Ocata | 15:26 |
| leon_wang | yuval: It seems the link doesn't work. | 15:26 |
| chenying | yuval: I will review these patches tomorrow. | 15:26 |
| yuval | leon_wang: both links work for me | 15:27 |
| saggi | [ https://review.openstack.org/397156 ] and [ https://review.openstack.org/348163 ] | 15:27 |
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| leon_wang | Got it | 15:27 |
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| saggi | yuval: Anything more you want to say about it? | 15:28 |
| yuval | that's it for now | 15:28 |
| saggi | #topic The road to stability | 15:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "The road to stability (Meeting topic: karbor)" | 15:29 | |
| saggi | I don't see people opening or closing bugs. | 15:29 |
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| leon_wang | yuval:can you simply describe what you will do, please? | 15:29 |
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| yuval | leon_wang: in the patches above? The intention is to stabilize the Protection Plugin API, and have it enable both simple and extreme use cases | 15:31 |
| leon_wang | saggi: Sorry I had to prepare for my exam last two weeks, I will check the bug I reported these days. | 15:31 |
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| leon_wang | ok. | 15:32 |
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| saggi | I'm also to blame and I am going to start taking stock and opening bugs for stuff that I find need to be fixed. | 15:33 |
| saggi | The small things do count. | 15:33 |
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| saggi | Please make sure to check the bug list | 15:34 |
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| saggi | #topic open discussion | 15:34 |
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| saggi | Anyone has anything they want to talk about? | 15:34 |
| leon_wang | Yes, i have a tiny question. | 15:35 |
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| leon_wang | I just want to know if it's difficult to call REST API of Cinder. | 15:35 |
| saggi | In general? | 15:36 |
| leon_wang | How to implement it? | 15:36 |
| saggi | In Karbor? | 15:36 |
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| chenying | I don't think so. We can use client of cinder in karbor. | 15:36 |
| leon_wang | For example, if I want to create a volume, then how can i call the get() in Cinder? | 15:37 |
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| leon_wang | chenying: If don't use client? | 15:37 |
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| smcginnis | leon_wang: There's the API docs. | 15:37 |
| leon_wang | chenying: sorry, If don't use Karbor? | 15:38 |
| smcginnis | leon_wang: But best to use the cinderclient library. | 15:38 |
| smcginnis | leon_wang: But this sound like it's not related to karbor, so if you have questions about cinder, please ask in #openstack-cinder or #openstack-dev. | 15:38 |
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| chenying | We can use the cinderclient library. don't need use it in karbor. | 15:38 |
| saggi | leon_wang: Do you want to call cinder from a protection plugin? | 15:38 |
| leon_wang | smcginnis: If I want to create a tiny program, is it difficult? | 15:38 |
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| smcginnis | leon_wang: Usually no. | 15:39 |
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| leon_wang | saggi: no | 15:40 |
| leon_wang | I don't know if the project out of OpenStack can call REST API in Cinder or Karbor? | 15:41 |
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| saggi | leon_wang: I don't think it's related to this meeting in any case. I think http://docs.openstack.org/developer/python-cinderclient/ is a place to start | 15:42 |
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| leon_wang | saggi: ok, thanks | 15:43 |
| saggi | Anything else? | 15:43 |
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| leon_wang | saggi: no | 15:44 |
| chenying | saggi Is there any progress about freezer integration? | 15:44 |
| saggi | chenying: Oh, right | 15:45 |
| saggi | I was in their meeting | 15:45 |
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| saggi | The support invoking freezer without setting up a job first. What we call (stateless) | 15:46 |
| saggi | It will not put information in the freezer DB etc. This is good since we want to own that informatino. | 15:46 |
| saggi | So on that front things are good. | 15:46 |
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| saggi | About not having to install freezer-scheduler on every node. They are thinking about supporting that but it's still early. | 15:47 |
| saggi | This means that for anyone to get guest cooperation they will need to fully deploy freezer. | 15:47 |
| saggi | At least for now | 15:47 |
| chenying | saggi I see. That mean that only the restfull api of freezer can be called in karbor? | 15:48 |
| saggi | That is all we need | 15:48 |
| chenying | saggi: Ok we only consider integrate the solution about app protection? | 15:50 |
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| chenying | in freezer | 15:50 |
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| saggi | We don't need their storage since we can just put it in the bank and we don't need their full volume feature since we do it anyway. | 15:51 |
| saggi | What else is there? | 15:51 |
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| chenying | Ok we can discuss freezer tomorrow in karbor irc channel. | 15:52 |
| saggi | OK | 15:53 |
| saggi | Anything else? | 15:53 |
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| chenying | nope | 15:54 |
| saggi | Thanks everybody. | 15:54 |
| saggi | #endmeeting | 15:54 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:54 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 15 15:54:33 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/karbor/2016/karbor.2016-11-15-15.03.html | 15:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/karbor/2016/karbor.2016-11-15-15.03.txt | 15:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/karbor/2016/karbor.2016-11-15-15.03.log.html | 15:54 |
| leon_wang | thanks saggi | 15:54 |
| chenying | thanks all | 15:54 |
| yuval | cya | 15:54 |
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| mmedvede | #startmeeting third-party | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 15 17:00:49 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mmedvede. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 17:00 |
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| asselin | hi | 17:01 |
| krtaylor | o/ | 17:01 |
| mmedvede | hi asselin krtaylor | 17:01 |
| ja3 | waves | 17:01 |
| mmedvede | and ja3 | 17:01 |
| sayalilunkad | hello | 17:02 |
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| mmedvede | I've added one topic to agenda today https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ThirdParty | 17:02 |
| mmedvede | #topic Future of the meeting | 17:03 |
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| mmedvede | asselin brought up an idea of not having this meeting, and using Monday slot instead | 17:03 |
| krtaylor | The proposal is to merge the two meetings back together? | 17:03 |
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| ja3 | which monday slot? | 17:04 |
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| asselin | yes, I think we should reevaluate if we still need two meetings. | 17:04 |
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| asselin | Mondays at 1500 UTC | 17:04 |
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| ja3 | ok, that would be doable for me | 17:05 |
| krtaylor | how well is it attended? would that effectively kill this working group? | 17:05 |
| mmedvede | the attendance of this meeting was going down steadily | 17:05 |
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| krtaylor | probably both | 17:06 |
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| krtaylor | but I have no facts to back that up | 17:07 |
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| mmedvede | tbh, the meeting is not required to have a wg | 17:07 |
| mmedvede | people who do work are required :) | 17:07 |
| krtaylor | +1 | 17:07 |
| asselin | I see the attendance of both meetings declining. I see this a result of 3rd party ci stabilization and less issues than previously. | 17:08 |
| krtaylor | exactly, and fewer teams needing to get started | 17:08 |
| krtaylor | but one item remains, the dashboard | 17:08 |
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| krtaylor | I propose that the current hosting be shut down | 17:09 |
| krtaylor | but that is a new topic | 17:09 |
| mmedvede | I am assigned to this item | 17:09 |
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| mmedvede | ok, let's do official vote | 17:09 |
| mmedvede | I wonder if patrickeast ans wznoinsk want to participate | 17:10 |
| krtaylor | asselin, are you running the Monday meetings? | 17:10 |
| asselin | krtaylor, anteaya is still running them AFAIK. | 17:11 |
| krtaylor | ok, cool | 17:11 |
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| krtaylor | just wanted to make sure there was a meeting there to catch this one :) | 17:11 |
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| asselin | yes, the idea is to reduce to 1, not 0 :) | 17:13 |
| mmedvede | #startvote Have only one third party meeting on Mondays 15:00 UTC | 17:13 |
| openstack | Unable to parse vote topic and options. | 17:13 |
| mmedvede | hehe | 17:13 |
| asselin | and also free up calendar meeting space for other teams that are looking for a timeslot | 17:13 |
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| mmedvede | #startvote "Have only one third party meeting on Mondays 15:00 UTC" | 17:14 |
| openstack | Unable to parse vote topic and options. | 17:14 |
| mmedvede | ok, lets vote without the meetbot | 17:14 |
| krtaylor | mmedvede, don't feel bad, I always have trouble with the vote syntax :-P | 17:15 |
| mmedvede | +1 from me | 17:15 |
| krtaylor | +1 | 17:15 |
| asselin | +1 | 17:15 |
| ja3 | +1 | 17:15 |
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| mmedvede | it is decided, we would free up this slot, and move to Mondays 15:00 UTC | 17:16 |
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| mmedvede | do we need a ML announcement? | 17:17 |
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| asselin | +1 | 17:18 |
| ja3 | I assume this means that today is the final meeting in this slot. I haven't been to the Monday mtg, is that also bi-weekly? we probably want to be concrete in the announcement when the first meeting date in the new slot is. as well as the channel. | 17:18 |
| asselin | ja3, it's a weekly meeting. That's the 'original' one that's been around for a very long time. | 17:19 |
| mmedvede | ja3: the monday meeting is weekly, it was more of an "office hours" got get questions answered for new CI operators | 17:19 |
| ja3 | well that at least makes the "first meeting date in new location" unambiguous | 17:20 |
| asselin | #link third party meeting wiki page: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ThirdParty | 17:20 |
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| mmedvede | the confusing part is weekly vs biweekly | 17:21 |
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| mmedvede | I'll work on the announcement and patch to free up the slot | 17:23 |
| ja3 | meh, worst that happens is you miss every other one until your brain stretches to fit the new info. | 17:23 |
| mmedvede | #topic Open Discussion | 17:24 |
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| mmedvede | anything to discuss here? | 17:25 |
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| krtaylor | oops | 17:25 |
| krtaylor | yeah, so we should get the current hosting stopped | 17:26 |
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| krtaylor | that will sour the mils so-to-speak | 17:26 |
| krtaylor | milk | 17:26 |
| asselin | why? | 17:26 |
| krtaylor | and force an infra hosting | 17:26 |
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| krtaylor | it needs to be hosted by openstack | 17:26 |
| krtaylor | it is a valuable dashboard | 17:26 |
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| mmedvede | I agree that it would force it to get done. although it is a harsh way of achieving it | 17:27 |
| asselin | I prefer an infra hosting first and have the current hosting redirected. Maybe we can revisit what needs to be done for infra hosting? | 17:27 |
| krtaylor | that has been proposed | 17:27 |
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| krtaylor | and it never gets traction | 17:27 |
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| * krtaylor looks back at his patch log | 17:28 | |
| mmedvede | yes, you always need to bump the patches, I was not doing that | 17:28 |
| mmedvede | now they probably need updating | 17:28 |
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| asselin | everything is in merge conflict? https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:ci-dashboard+status:open,n,z | 17:29 |
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| krtaylor | I found the original from 2014, but looking for the follow-on | 17:29 |
| mmedvede | asselin: that is refactor patches, not on master branch | 17:30 |
| mmedvede | asselin: we can proceed without that | 17:30 |
| krtaylor | anyway, it is old for sure | 17:30 |
| asselin | so then there are no open patches? | 17:30 |
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| mmedvede | no | 17:31 |
| asselin | nevermind, i see 2 now: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack-infra/ciwatch+branch:master+topic:jenkins2zuul | 17:31 |
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| mmedvede | these are not blockers | 17:32 |
| asselin | all the puppet changes are merged. | 17:32 |
| mmedvede | basically, what needs to happen is this: make sure puppet deployment still works, and ask infra if they have servers available to deploy there | 17:32 |
| mmedvede | I've been told it is ok to deploy code that is not "perfect" | 17:33 |
| krtaylor | code? perfect? :) | 17:33 |
| asselin | ok, I will propose some system-config patches to get it deployed in infra. | 17:33 |
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| mmedvede | perfect for me is when the rate of "what the hell does this mean" while you read code is below 1 a minute | 17:34 |
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| asselin | this is not a critical service. We should try to get what we have deployed and iterate from there. The current dashboard is working fine. | 17:35 |
| krtaylor | +1 | 17:36 |
| mmedvede | no objections | 17:36 |
| ja3 | +1 | 17:37 |
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| mmedvede | any other topics to discuss? | 17:38 |
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| asselin | Maybe we can discuss the puppet-jenkins patches. There's quite a few and getting stuck | 17:38 |
| mmedvede | sure | 17:38 |
| asselin | I updated one yesterday: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/366803/ | 17:39 |
| mmedvede | #topic Jenkins Security-170 | 17:39 |
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| asselin | per clarkb's comments to use puppet archive. | 17:39 |
| asselin | this is -1, and disabling security isn't great idea anyway: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/334400/ | 17:40 |
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| asselin | seems like this is the best choice for customizing security: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/262787/ | 17:40 |
| mmedvede | +1 on this ^ | 17:41 |
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| mmedvede | but we probably need to ask for reviews in infra | 17:41 |
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| asselin | so 2 patches + update the puppet-openstackci to allow those 2 to be used: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/367232/ | 17:43 |
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| asselin | infra doesn't use jenkins anymore. Maybe they would let new core members join? | 17:46 |
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| asselin | puppet-jenkins-core | 17:46 |
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| mmedvede | that is a reasonable idea | 17:48 |
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| mmedvede | because infra is not consuming it any longer, they have less incentive to review it | 17:48 |
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| mmedvede | asselin: so is this a topic for infra team meeting? | 17:49 |
| asselin | we could ask there or in channel. I cannot attend today. | 17:49 |
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| mmedvede | +1 | 17:51 |
| clarkb | mmedvede: asselin ya I had suggested that at one point, I am in favor | 17:51 |
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| mmedvede | clarkb: should we bring it up during infra meeting? | 17:52 |
| clarkb | or just ping fungi about it as ptl | 17:53 |
| mmedvede | got it, thanks clarkb | 17:53 |
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| mmedvede | anything else? | 17:56 |
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| asselin | not from me | 17:57 |
| mmedvede | hi sayalilunkad, just noticed you joined | 17:57 |
| fungi | indeed | 17:57 |
| ja3 | nuttin honey | 17:57 |
| fungi | i doubt there's any need for an infra meeting topic there | 17:57 |
| fungi | i was actually just looking at that change since i saw the gerrit notification for asselin's last comment | 17:58 |
| mmedvede | fungi: so should we look for people to add to the puppet-jenkins-core? | 17:59 |
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| mmedvede | if we do, need to discuss that | 17:59 |
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| asselin | meeting time is up. move to #openstack-infra? | 17:59 |
| fungi | yeah, if you have reviewers you want to nominate, give me a heads up | 17:59 |
| mmedvede | ok, it is time | 17:59 |
| mmedvede | yes | 17:59 |
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| mmedvede | thanks everyone | 17:59 |
| mmedvede | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 15 17:59:56 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-11-15-17.00.html | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-11-15-17.00.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-11-15-17.00.log.html | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | meeting time! amakarov, ayoung, bknudson, breton, browne, chrisplo, crinkle, davechen, dolphm, dstanek, edmondsw, edtubill, gagehugo, gyee, henrynash, hrybacki, jamielennox, jaugustine, jgrassler, knikolla, lbragstad, kbaikov, ktychkova, morgan, nisha, nkinder, notmorgan, raildo, ravelar, rderose, rodrigods, roxanaghe, samueldmq, shaleh, srwilkers, stevemar, topol, StefanPaetowJisc | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | #startmeeting keystone | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 15 18:00:27 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is lbragstad. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| ayoung | i'M HERE | 18:00 |
| dstanek | o/ | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:00 |
| gagehugo | o/ | 18:00 |
| rodrigods | o/ | 18:00 |
| jgrassler | Hello | 18:00 |
| kbaikov | o/ | 18:00 |
| kbaikov | Hello | 18:00 |
| jaugustine | o/ | 18:01 |
| knikolla | o/ | 18:01 |
| lbragstad | not a whole lot on the agenda - so we'll give it a few minutes | 18:01 |
| lbragstad | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-weekly-meeting | 18:01 |
| lbragstad | hopefully everyone's having a nice Tuesday | 18:01 |
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| lbragstad | alright - let's get going | 18:03 |
| lbragstad | #topic Announcements | 18:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:03 | |
| lbragstad | Ocata-1 being released this week | 18:03 |
| henrynash_ | (sorry to be late) | 18:03 |
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| lbragstad | if you have anything to backport to Newton or Mitaka, now is the time to do it | 18:03 |
| lbragstad | stevemar is going to be rolling new versions soon | 18:03 |
| jamielennox | o/ | 18:03 |
| lbragstad | since Ocata 1 is here - spec reviews need to be in full swing | 18:03 |
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| lbragstad | spec proposal freeze is this week | 18:04 |
| lbragstad | we've merged a few specs but we have several we still need to decide on as a group | 18:04 |
| morgan_ | o/ <--- here | 18:04 |
| rderose | o/ | 18:04 |
| lbragstad | (we can spend any free time on that after the meeting) | 18:04 |
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| browne | o/ | 18:05 |
| lamt | o/ | 18:05 |
| lbragstad | looks like we have a new contributor for the outreachy program (annakoppad) | 18:05 |
| slunkad | hello | 18:05 |
| lbragstad | so if you see them floating around in -keystone, make them feel welcome :) | 18:06 |
| rodrigods | lbragstad, ++ | 18:06 |
| rodrigods | me and raildo will be mentoring her | 18:06 |
| lbragstad | rodrigods awesome | 18:06 |
| lbragstad | rodrigods any specifics on what she will be working on? | 18:06 |
| rodrigods | the current project idea is to have LDAP as backend jobs | 18:06 |
| lbragstad | rodrigods very cool | 18:06 |
| morgan_ | rodrigods: what do you mean by"backend jobs"? | 18:07 |
| morgan_ | just a special gate job that checks per backend? | 18:07 |
| rodrigods | morgan_, running jobs with LDAP as identity backend | 18:07 |
| lbragstad | rodrigods i assume jobs that test ldap for identity | 18:07 |
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| rodrigods | lbragstad, ++ | 18:07 |
| morgan_ | rodrigods: ok, yeah makes sense. just being sure i was on the same page | 18:08 |
| lbragstad | cool | 18:08 |
| lbragstad | just fyi - stevemar has been using google to track the work being done this release | 18:08 |
| lbragstad | he wanted me to advertise the link during the meeting | 18:08 |
| lbragstad | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/156q820cXcEc8Y9YWQgoc_hyOm3AZ2jtMQM3zdDhwGFU/edit?usp=sharing | 18:08 |
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| lbragstad | if you see anything on there that needs to be updated or fixed, let one of us know | 18:08 |
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| lbragstad | Remember that this week we will be continuing our work with the horizon team on Thursdays | 18:09 |
| * morgan_ glares at laptop that struggles to load that spreadsheet | 18:09 | |
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| lbragstad | Thursday at 20:00 UTC in #openstack-meeting-cp | 18:09 |
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| lbragstad | you can add the ical to your calendar - http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#Keystone/Horizon_Collaboration_Meeting | 18:09 |
| lbragstad | we also have a weekly policy meeting starting tomorrow | 18:10 |
| lbragstad | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-November/107137.html | 18:10 |
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| lbragstad | I've documented the reason for it in the mailing list thread and looking forward to hosting it tomorrow | 18:10 |
| lbragstad | the etherpad for the meeting is here - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-policy-meeting | 18:10 |
| lbragstad | feel free to add content before tomorrow - I'm going to go through and formalize the final agenda tonight sometime | 18:11 |
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| ayoung | So we need to enable LDAP on the devstack instacnce used for the Gate and check jobs first | 18:11 |
| morgan_ | ayoung: or make it a flag for the new job | 18:11 |
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| morgan_ | ayoung: it would be fine if the enable ldap is just used for the new backend job(s) not every single gate job | 18:12 |
| ayoung | morgan_, does not need to be a new job. THere is asubmission for keystone functional tests. SHould be that job | 18:12 |
| rodrigods | morgan_, ayoung we also need to check if the LDAP thing is working on devstack | 18:12 |
| rodrigods | properly working | 18:12 |
| morgan_ | please don't try and enable it for every single job was my point, unless we are using for every single job (even non-keystone) dsvm | 18:12 |
| rodrigods | ayoung, the way we test different scenarios is with different jobs | 18:13 |
| rodrigods | we still have the SQL backend scenario | 18:13 |
| rodrigods | and the keystone tempest plugin tests don't include user/group tests | 18:13 |
| rodrigods | so we need to run tempest | 18:13 |
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| lbragstad | we can probably continue this specific discussion offline | 18:14 |
| morgan_ | rodrigods: you're on the right track | 18:14 |
| lbragstad | #topic Request id chaining in keystoneclient | 18:14 |
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| lbragstad | breton ^ | 18:15 |
| morgan_ | i expect you'll need to massage some stuff in devstack, but def good direction | 18:15 |
| rodrigods | morgan_, ++ | 18:15 |
| lbragstad | is breton around? | 18:15 |
| morgan_ | i do not see breton being active. he's in the channel | 18:16 |
| lbragstad | we'll come back to that if he shows up | 18:16 |
| lbragstad | #topic Mailing list posts that need attention | 18:16 |
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| lbragstad | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack/2016-November/017934.html | 18:16 |
| lbragstad | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack/2016-October/017912.html | 18:17 |
| lbragstad | stevemar was curious if anyone would be interested in taking point on responding to those | 18:17 |
| * morgan_ volunteers ayoung for the inheretance one :P (or henrynash_ ) | 18:17 | |
| ayoung | what did I inherit? | 18:18 |
| morgan_ | ayoung: second mailing list link, role inheretance use/question | 18:18 |
| henrynash_ | I think I responded to (at least one of) the question son inheritance | 18:18 |
| morgan_ | but henrynash_ might have it covered | 18:18 |
| ayoung | thought I answered that already | 18:18 |
| ayoung | domain vs project roles | 18:18 |
| henrynash_ | …and happy to take all things “inheritance” if that would help | 18:19 |
| ayoung | domains need to diwe | 18:19 |
| ayoung | die | 18:19 |
| morgan_ | the multi domain one is pretty dense topic fwiw. | 18:19 |
| lbragstad | henrynash_ can i make that an action for you then? | 18:19 |
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| henrynash_ | yep | 18:19 |
| lbragstad | #action henrynash_ to respond to http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack/2016-October/017912.html | 18:19 |
| morgan_ | thanks henrynash_ | 18:19 |
| dstanek | morgan_: only two of the three questions are ours and i think they are not terrible... it's the example that makes it look hard | 18:19 |
| lbragstad | thanks henrynash_ | 18:20 |
| morgan_ | dstanek: i am guessing it will be more involved in general based upon the example. | 18:20 |
| lbragstad | anyone feel like tackling multi-domain identity and security groups - http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack/2016-November/017934.html ? | 18:21 |
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| dstanek | lbragstad: i can do an initial response....but i'm guessing there will be lots of followup questions | 18:21 |
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| lbragstad | dstanek awesome - that's just fine | 18:22 |
| morgan_ | dstanek: tag me in if you need extra eyes on it. | 18:22 |
| lbragstad | #action dstanek to respond to http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack/2016-November/017934.html | 18:22 |
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| morgan_ | i'll try and keep an eye on it as well. | 18:22 |
| dstanek | morgan_: thx | 18:22 |
| lbragstad | #topic specs to review | 18:22 |
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| lbragstad | alright - here are a handful of specs proposed to Ocata that we need to reach consensus on | 18:23 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/388886/ | 18:23 |
| lbragstad | Add keystone project properties ^ | 18:23 |
| lbragstad | dstanek - you were doing a bunch of noodling on that last week | 18:24 |
| ayoung | Yeah, that one is still not on my happy list | 18:24 |
| ayoung | I did have some alternative thoughts to that approach | 18:24 |
| lbragstad | ayoung is the alternative documented anywhere? | 18:24 |
| samueldmq | ayoung: comment on the Review? | 18:24 |
| dstanek | lbragstad: i think there are a lot of hole there....big enough to driver a 4x4 pickup truck through | 18:25 |
| ayoung | dstanek, ++ | 18:25 |
| ayoung | the "properties" can't be owned by the projects | 18:25 |
| ayoung | they need to outside. | 18:25 |
| lbragstad | dstanek yeah - the nova folks seemed to have some valuable feedback there, too | 18:25 |
| ayoung | managed separately | 18:25 |
| lbragstad | dstanek did you get a chance to follow up on the mailing list? | 18:25 |
| ayoung | if we had the idea of a project group, and then you enrolled the project in the group, it would be closer | 18:25 |
| lbragstad | ayoung then associate properties to the group? | 18:26 |
| ayoung | lbragstad, I don't think you would need to | 18:26 |
| dstanek | lbragstad: i read the responses, but i don't think they are dealing with my concerns. if you like i can reply with my different objects | 18:26 |
| dstanek | s/objects/objections/ | 18:26 |
| ayoung | any logic based on the projectgroup membership would still be external to Keystone | 18:26 |
| lbragstad | dstanek cool - that would be helpful | 18:26 |
| gagehugo | dstanek please do | 18:26 |
| dstanek | gagehugo: you know then already :-) | 18:27 |
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| gagehugo | nova folks might have ideas though | 18:27 |
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| dstanek | most of my issues are around separation of concerns. who can edit what properties | 18:28 |
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| lbragstad | ayoung if you start enrolling projects into groups, what takes care of the properties? | 18:28 |
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| morgan_ | dstanek: agreed. I also don't like the idea that keystone is the generic arbitrary key-value-store location for all of openstack (little restriction on the properties) | 18:29 |
| ayoung | morgan_, ++ | 18:29 |
| ayoung | ok...let me see if I can make this clear | 18:29 |
| dstanek | lbragstad: each group would be similar to a property (dev, projection, billing-code-x) and if only the owner of the group and put projects in it then my issues are gone | 18:29 |
| jamielennox | agreed, extra has been a PITA i'd prefer to kill it than formalize it | 18:29 |
| morgan_ | there is a fixed limit on the maximum size (in mysql) we can hold of arbitrary properties. | 18:29 |
| ayoung | lets say one reason they want this is to tag a project by rate | 18:29 |
| morgan_ | in extra | 18:29 |
| ayoung | gold, silver, bronze | 18:29 |
| dstanek | morgan_: jamielennox: ++ | 18:29 |
| ayoung | gold pays 1000/month, bronze is 1 Month | 18:30 |
| gagehugo | well we had the idea of limiting keys via config, which would limit others in openstack from using it | 18:30 |
| lbragstad | ah ha... ok | 18:30 |
| lbragstad | I see what you mean | 18:30 |
| ayoung | setting the rate for a project should not be done by an admin of that project | 18:30 |
| ayoung | it should be done external to the project | 18:30 |
| ayoung | however that is managed. | 18:30 |
| morgan_ | gagehugo: i had a proposal that respun extras into something that is managed by the cloud admin in a way that didn't run into limits and allowed indexing | 18:30 |
| jamielennox | anyone doing that sort of managing is maintaining there own databases external to keystone anyway and they can link it to a non-changing project-id there | 18:30 |
| morgan_ | gagehugo: it was super complex and still not a great design (this was 2-3 cycles ago) | 18:30 |
| ayoung | don't make it Cloud admin's responsibility, though | 18:30 |
| gagehugo | morgan_ ah | 18:30 |
| ayoung | just not the project admins responsibilituy | 18:31 |
| ayoung | think of it as a resource loan | 18:31 |
| morgan_ | jamielennox: this honestly feels like CRM tool (salesforce for example) details | 18:31 |
| morgan_ | billing data should not be in keystone... | 18:31 |
| ayoung | I create this "thing" what ever it is, and then I say "this project can use it" | 18:31 |
| jamielennox | also codifiing allowed keys means you are making fixed custom additions to the keystone api which is another point of difference between cloud implementations | 18:31 |
| morgan_ | sorry ayoung ^ not jamielennox | 18:31 |
| ayoung | morgan_, yeah, I agree..just that is one of the reasons they want it | 18:31 |
| ayoung | I am just illustrating the point with that | 18:32 |
| lbragstad | gagehugo is billing the main use case you have for project properties? | 18:32 |
| morgan_ | right | 18:32 |
| gagehugo | no, not the main use, moreso to keep track of a large # of projects | 18:32 |
| morgan_ | gagehugo: can you explain the usecase for us? | 18:32 |
| dstanek | gagehugo: billing is one of your use cases | 18:32 |
| ayoung | gagehugo, that is why we have HMT | 18:33 |
| lbragstad | gagehugo so like - tracking all projects that are used for development? | 18:33 |
| jamielennox | would it be sufficient to add a tags column to projects? | 18:33 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, that has exactly the same problem I just illustrated | 18:33 |
| jamielennox | you can tag any number of projects with any tag and handle what you care about externally | 18:33 |
| gagehugo | dstanek billing is one of the tags, there are a bunch | 18:33 |
| morgan_ | jamielennox: don't make it a static column, make it a table (many tags to one project) | 18:33 |
| morgan_ | jamielennox: or similar design | 18:33 |
| morgan_ | jamielennox: static column runs into character limit issues. | 18:34 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: right but i'm giving one fixed property, not allowing any arbitrary thing to be added to the db | 18:34 |
| morgan_ | but impl details aside... | 18:34 |
| jamielennox | morgan_: i wasn't thinking any form of tag management, just as someone who can modify a project you can add an array of strings | 18:34 |
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| gagehugo | morgan_ we have a large # of projects that have various lifecycles/billing/usertypes/etc. and other than using extras or some homebrew extension, we would like this | 18:35 |
| jamielennox | again though the difference is you provide one thing supported by keystone, not a general key val store | 18:35 |
| lbragstad | i think someone in the mailing list pointed out the need for making tags or properties indexable | 18:35 |
| gagehugo | yeah | 18:35 |
| morgan_ | lbragstad: i could ressurect my previous proposal | 18:35 |
| morgan_ | it allowed the data to be indexable, but it's complex relational data. | 18:35 |
| morgan_ | i don't really like it. | 18:36 |
| lbragstad | morgan_ sure - want to compare it to the existing one? | 18:36 |
| morgan_ | let me see if i can find it. | 18:36 |
| gagehugo | morgan_ that might have been the spec we looked at initially | 18:36 |
| dstanek | does this break cross cloud compatibility if every cloud has different metadata? | 18:36 |
| lbragstad | dstanek possibly | 18:36 |
| lbragstad | dstanek that's exactly what a few of the nova dev brought up as a concern | 18:36 |
| gagehugo | libragstad tracking projects for dev yes (sandboxes, things that need to stay up for a long time) | 18:37 |
| morgan_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190532/ | 18:37 |
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| gagehugo | lbragstad* | 18:37 |
| morgan_ | that could be the basis (it could be re-spun to be more specific to this case) | 18:37 |
| ayoung | gagehugo, you understand my prime requirement for removing the -2? | 18:37 |
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| morgan_ | or take bits of that index-design and apply towards the new spec | 18:38 |
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| gagehugo | ayoung kinda, there seems to be a few concerns | 18:38 |
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| ayoung | biggest one is security. The property, projectgroup, tag, whatever it is, cannot be managed by the project admin. It must be external to the project | 18:39 |
| morgan_ | it would split the extras into columns that then relationally map to the project(s). | 18:39 |
| lbragstad | ayoung why is that? | 18:39 |
| ayoung | We really should treat projects as resources managed by other projects | 18:39 |
| morgan_ | and could handle at least searching. | 18:39 |
| ayoung | lbragstad, go rereasd my example | 18:39 |
| lbragstad | ayoung so that a project admin can't modify the billing code to be something cheaper? | 18:39 |
| ayoung | lbragstad, so that projects cannot violate the constraints that are placed on them. | 18:39 |
| lbragstad | ayoung right - got it | 18:40 |
| dstanek | morgan_: you spec would take care of the indexing, but would need to changes for authz | 18:40 |
| morgan_ | dstanek: right. which would need to be expanded upon | 18:40 |
| morgan_ | dstanek: i abandoned that design because the view was extras shouldn't receive much love since... ick | 18:40 |
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| dstanek | my primary concern is that there are different tags/properties/whatever that need different authorizations to use; billing-code is cloud admin, environment is domain admin, etc | 18:41 |
| morgan_ | i really think this cannot be data attached to the project and extras is insufficient | 18:41 |
| morgan_ | s/projects/resources in keyustone | 18:42 |
| ayoung | it really should be outside of Keystone | 18:42 |
| dstanek | or we just say this is only for cloud admins....i bring up the authz issues because one of the documented usecases raised the issue | 18:42 |
| jamielennox | my opinion is at least tags is structured and a standard cross cloud API, but ideally i'd like to kill extras and make people maintain this stuff elsewhere because surely people are already tracking billing and stuff about projects | 18:42 |
| morgan_ | jamielennox: ++ | 18:43 |
| samueldmq | Metadata as a service | 18:43 |
| morgan_ | <joke>Somebody else's problem as a service</joke> | 18:43 |
| lbragstad | jamielennox morgan_ ayoung have you all documented your concerns in the spec? | 18:43 |
| morgan_ | in all seriousness, this is data that likely should not be directly attached to the resource in keystone | 18:44 |
| dstanek | the more i think about it the more it seems to be the wrong architecture to actually put the data in keystone. | 18:44 |
| ayoung | lbragstad, I've already -2ed it. No one has come back with a sufficient counter argument. We've discussed it here. The spec should not go ahead. | 18:44 |
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| morgan_ | since those resources are mutable and the data is under the purview of domain/project admins to edit | 18:44 |
| lbragstad | ayoung right - i see that. i want to make sure we're documenting our concerns in the spec though | 18:45 |
| morgan_ | most of this data belongs in the CRM tool. | 18:45 |
| ayoung | it is application specific data and that should live in the application that requires it | 18:45 |
| lbragstad | the more we talk about this proposal, the more i think it's trying to solve two problems | 18:45 |
| morgan_ | ayoung: ++ | 18:45 |
| lbragstad | 1.) tracking large numbers of projects | 18:45 |
| lbragstad | 2.) billing | 18:45 |
| morgan_ | keystone is defintely a bad place to stick any billing information | 18:46 |
| lbragstad | ok - so if we take billing out of the equation | 18:46 |
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| lbragstad | how do we feel about using something like tags for tracking large numbers of projects | 18:46 |
| morgan_ | and without the properties being searchable/indexable the problem 1 is missing basic usablility | 18:46 |
| samueldmq | We could List projecto and pass tags as hints | 18:47 |
| samueldmq | That would make it searchable | 18:47 |
| gagehugo | We would be ok with tags if they are searchable | 18:47 |
| morgan_ | samueldmq: which would need to be something closer to my above linked proposal | 18:47 |
| morgan_ | since you can't use "extras" effectively for that | 18:47 |
| dstanek | lbragstad: yes, those where the original two usecases | 18:47 |
| rodrigods | why not use hiearchies to organize the projects? | 18:47 |
| lbragstad | dstanek most of your security concerns were based on #2, right? | 18:48 |
| morgan_ | rodrigods: because hierarchies are very limited and projects cannot be moved [if i understand the proposal right] | 18:48 |
| dstanek | lbragstad: not sure which one exactly | 18:48 |
| morgan_ | if you need to tag a project (example) with 10 tags | 18:48 |
| samueldmq | morgan_ k I need to take a look at that too | 18:48 |
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| chrisplo | is there a spec / proposal on a separate service for metadata? I kind of like where that is going | 18:48 |
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| rodrigods | morgan_, hmm right | 18:49 |
| lbragstad | chrisplo not that I know of | 18:49 |
| dstanek | lbragstad: same concerns apply to organization. who does it the cloud admin, domain admin or other? | 18:49 |
| morgan_ | dstanek: anyone who has write access to <resource>? | 18:49 |
| dstanek | in the spec it seemed cloud admin, but in a public cloud it would have to be domain admin or other | 18:49 |
| dstanek | morgan_: exactly the problem with the spec when used for cross domain things | 18:50 |
| morgan_ | tags have potential to cause issues fwiw in data bloat, etc | 18:50 |
| ayoung | lbragstad, HMT is designed exactly for scale of projects | 18:50 |
| morgan_ | so concerns on maximum data held in the store. | 18:50 |
| morgan_ | but i am not opposed to tags for resources. simple strings that can be used for identification but no added data | 18:50 |
| ayoung | converting it into some tag based or other mechanism while peopkle still don't get HMT is adding confusing to a complex system | 18:50 |
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| morgan_ | but there are still the authz, indexable, searchable, etc concerns. | 18:51 |
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| lbragstad | yeah - it would make sense that if we are working with large numbers of projects, the tags need to be indexable | 18:51 |
| gagehugo | lbragstad yes | 18:52 |
| dstanek | ayoung: that's a good point. the origina usecase can be solved with a domain/{dev,staging,prod}/project structure; unless the project needs to live in two different places | 18:52 |
| chrisplo | tags could be general though, service+uuid could identify specific items, not limited to projects . . . | 18:52 |
| ayoung | dstanek, yep | 18:52 |
| dstanek | almost out of time..... | 18:52 |
| morgan_ | chrisplo: that is why i said <resource>. not project specific | 18:52 |
| lbragstad | yep - I urge folks to leave comments on the review | 18:52 |
| samueldmq | How big is a big set of projects? | 18:53 |
| chrisplo | sorry, was dual tasking morgan_ | 18:53 |
| morgan_ | :) no worries | 18:53 |
| morgan_ | samueldmq: assume 1000s | 18:53 |
| lbragstad | because i want to make sure we don't lose the context of our concerns https://review.openstack.org/#/c/388886/ | 18:53 |
| samueldmq | morgan_ k thanks | 18:53 |
| dstanek | chrisplo: metadata as a service is really just redis or a thin shim around it :-) | 18:53 |
| morgan_ | but i wouldn't assume 10s of 1000s | 18:53 |
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| morgan_ | dstanek: ++ | 18:54 |
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| lbragstad | stevemar had a list of other specs to review in the etherpad | 18:54 |
| morgan_ | dstanek: though that still suffers from non-index/searchable without a lot of shim magic | 18:54 |
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| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/396634 (lightweight trusts) | 18:54 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/396331 (enhancements to trust scopes) | 18:54 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/373983 (improved openid connect support) | 18:54 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/345705 (user managed TOTP credentials) | 18:54 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/397410/ (federated attributes for users) | 18:55 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/397860/ (native SAML2) | 18:55 |
| lbragstad | so - we'll need to make a decision on those soon | 18:55 |
| samueldmq | lbragstad is spec proposal freeze this week ? | 18:55 |
| morgan_ | oh i think a spec that was lost was the enforced combined auth-plugin... | 18:55 |
| dstanek | samueldmq: y | 18:55 |
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| lbragstad | samueldmq yeah - end of this week i htink | 18:55 |
| morgan_ | who was working on MFA round 2? | 18:55 |
| dstanek | manjeets: wasn't that merged? the spec i mean | 18:55 |
| samueldmq | ++ let's review :) | 18:55 |
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| lbragstad | dstanek morgan_ yeah - looks like it http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/keystone-specs/specs/keystone/ocata/password-totp-plugin.html | 18:56 |
| dstanek | morgan_: that was for you ^ | 18:56 |
| morgan_ | ugh | 18:56 |
| ayoung | most of the trust stuff is suspect | 18:56 |
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| morgan_ | that doesn't really solve the problem | 18:56 |
| ayoung | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/391624/ is the main thing | 18:57 |
| lbragstad | so - if you haven't looked at those specs, please do. I assume stevemar will have them on the agenda next week since we didn't get to them today | 18:57 |
| ayoung | should have put a discussion on that into the meeting | 18:57 |
| morgan_ | it's fine, just not... really addressing needing totp+password vs password vs totp for authn | 18:57 |
| morgan_ | some users may require password+totp, vs just password. which is a valid use-case | 18:57 |
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| * morgan_ grumbles about being busy and unable to review the specs. | 18:58 | |
| lbragstad | does anyone have any last minute things? | 18:58 |
| morgan_ | quickly | 18:58 |
| lbragstad | go morgan_ go | 18:58 |
| morgan_ | if we want to move the agenda back to the wiki | 18:58 |
| morgan_ | we can | 18:58 |
| morgan_ | new users can be created again | 18:58 |
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| morgan_ | i like etherpad | 18:58 |
| morgan_ | but just think about it | 18:58 |
| morgan_ | we can bug steve next week | 18:58 |
| lbragstad | morgan_ sounds good, i'll make a note | 18:58 |
| lbragstad | morgan_ thanks | 18:58 |
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| lbragstad | anything else? | 18:59 |
| samueldmq | I am fine either way | 18:59 |
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| samueldmq | Let's think about it and take a decision next week? | 18:59 |
| lbragstad | samueldmq yeah | 18:59 |
| lbragstad | alright - i'll give everyone one whole minute back | 18:59 |
| morgan_ | lbragstad: don't do it! | 18:59 |
| lbragstad | i'm doin' it! | 19:00 |
| lbragstad | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 15 19:00:04 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2016/keystone.2016-11-15-18.00.html | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2016/keystone.2016-11-15-18.00.txt | 19:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2016/keystone.2016-11-15-18.00.log.html | 19:00 |
| samueldmq | lbragstad thanks | 19:00 |
| morgan_ | they may not give you that minute next week if you don't use it! | 19:00 |
| fungi | infra team, assemble! | 19:00 |
| lbragstad | thanks for coming everyone! | 19:00 |
| AJaeger | o/ | 19:00 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | o/ | 19:00 |
| fungi | this week's topics proposed by eumel8, fungi | 19:00 |
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| fungi | #topic Announcements | 19:03 |
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| fungi | congrats all who worked on that! i'm sure docs.o.o is coming up soon | 19:03 |
| fungi | #info REMINDER: Our "Ocata Cycle" [2048R/0x8B1B03FD54E2AC07] signing key has been generated; infra-root admins are requested to follow our attestation process as soon as possible. | 19:03 |
| fungi | #link https://sks-keyservers.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0xd47bab1b7dc2e262a4f6171e8b1b03fd54e2ac07&fingerprint=on OpenStack Infra (Ocata Cycle) <infra-root@openstack.org> | 19:03 |
| fungi | #link http://docs.openstack.org/infra/system-config/signing.html#attestation Attestation process | 19:03 |
| fungi | thanks pabelanger and pleia2 for doing this already! | 19:03 |
| fungi | i'd like to see at least a few more infra-root signatures on this before we switch it in for the old newton signing key | 19:03 |
| fungi | (which is set to expire in just over two weeks!) | 19:03 |
| fungi | as always, feel free to hit me up with announcements you want included in future meetings | 19:04 |
| * clarkb makes note to get on board and do that | 19:04 | |
| * jhesketh apologises for not having done it yet and will do it today | 19:04 | |
| fungi | no worries, and thanks | 19:04 |
| fungi | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from last meeting (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:04 | |
| fungi | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2016/infra.2016-11-08-19.03.html last meeting's minutes | 19:04 |
| fungi | fungi send summit session summary to infra ml | 19:05 |
| fungi | still in progress but nearly done :/ | 19:05 |
| fungi | #action fungi send summit session summary to infra ml | 19:05 |
| fungi | pabelanger send followup announcement for wheel-less pep8 job transition | 19:05 |
| fungi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-November/106990.html "important changes to pep8 python jobs" reminder | 19:05 |
| fungi | thanks again pabelanger--i'm looking forward to the transition tomorrow! | 19:05 |
| fungi | #action pabelanger un-wip "Force gate-{name}-pep8-{node} to build needed wheels" change | 19:05 |
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| fungi | and then we'll merge it early-ish in the day i guess? | 19:05 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/391875 "Force gate-{name}-pep8-{node} to build needed wheels" change | 19:06 |
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| fungi | fungi propose clarification about project-specific test preconditions (databases, filesystems) for cti | 19:06 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/397502 "Acknowledge nominal prerequisites for tests" change | 19:06 |
| fungi | it's wip, but figured i'd get people to have a look real quick and see if that matches what we agreed to in the last meeting before i get it onto the tc agenda for next week | 19:06 |
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| fungi | but i guess you can always look at it later | 19:08 |
| fungi | fungi purchase cert for pholio.openstack.org | 19:08 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/397464 "Use CA-issued SSL cert for pholio.o.o service" change | 19:08 |
| fungi | all set up in hiera and ready to go | 19:08 |
| fungi | just needs approval | 19:08 |
| fungi | and that's it for the action items i think | 19:09 |
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| fungi | #topic Specs approval | 19:09 |
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| fungi | #info APPROVED: "Automate Creating Branches" spec | 19:09 |
| fungi | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/specs/branch-automation.html | 19:09 |
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| fungi | zaro also has a spec proposed for "Gerrit 2.13 Upgrade" which he plans to bring up next week (he's unavailable this week) | 19:10 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/388190 "Gerrit 2.13 Upgrade" spec | 19:10 |
| pabelanger | o/ | 19:10 |
| fungi | he's also suggesting it as a priority spec | 19:10 |
| fungi | #topic Priority Efforts | 19:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Priority Efforts (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:11 | |
| fungi | nothing is called out on the agenda, though as i said a moment ago, next week we may vote on adding another one | 19:11 |
| fungi | #topic Priority Efforts: Zuul v3 | 19:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Priority Efforts: Zuul v3 (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:11 | |
| fungi | just a quick mention that the zuul subteam had their first meeting yesterday | 19:12 |
| fungi | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#Zuul_Meeting A weekly meeting to discuss Zuul development | 19:12 |
| fungi | for those who want to start attending | 19:12 |
| fungi | #topic Zanata Upgrade to Xenial (eumel8) | 19:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Zanata Upgrade to Xenial (eumel8) (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:13 | |
| fungi | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-i18n/+spec/ocata-zanata-upgrade%7C | 19:13 |
| fungi | i can't actually browse that, eumel8 | 19:13 |
| eumel8 | yes, thx. I18n team wants to upgrade zanata server. We're looking for volunteers :-) | 19:13 |
| clarkb | basiaclly newer zanata for newer features requires newer java which requires newer ubuntu | 19:14 |
| eumel8 | upgrade means change to java8 with change to xenial VM | 19:14 |
| fungi | looks like the %7c on the end is an error | 19:14 |
| fungi | #undo | 19:14 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Link object at 0x7fac552e9850> | 19:14 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | (the link seems to work sans the %7C) | 19:14 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | oh snap | 19:14 |
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| fungi | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-i18n/+spec/ocata-zanata-upgrade "Ocata: Zanata upgrade" I18n blueprint | 19:14 |
| eumel8 | starting on translate-dev, test the stuff and then the live upgrade | 19:14 |
| fungi | is the current puppet module set up such that we can easily deploy different versions of zanata on translate-dev.o.o vs translate.o.o? | 19:15 |
| clarkb | fungi: it should be, I merged a change recently to be smarter about choosing the java version | 19:15 |
| clarkb | and assuming there are no other unforseen issues that should be all that is required to run on xenial -dev and trusty prod | 19:15 |
| eumel8 | yes, it should be ready | 19:16 |
| pabelanger | have we done a xenial server yet? I remember pleia2 asking for it a while back | 19:16 |
| fungi | so we can just start with a proposed change to the zanata release for it, and then we rebuild the server on a xenial image? | 19:16 |
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| fungi | do we need to disable ansible runs for te existing translate-dev.o.o i guess? | 19:16 |
| clarkb | pabelanger: no we haven't done any xenial servers yet, this will likely be the first | 19:17 |
| fungi | does it keep its own state locally, or is it all in trove and cinder? | 19:17 |
| pabelanger | clarkb: okay | 19:17 |
| clarkb | fungi: I don't know about cinder, but pretty sure it uses trove. At least for dev I don't know that we care about the state though | 19:17 |
| fungi | well, we've done other servers running xenial, but i don't think we've upgraded any existing services from trusty to xenial yet | 19:17 |
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| pabelanger | might be worth picking a server in our inventory, and upgrading it to xenial first. Confirm puppet is working as expected before adding new puppet manifests | 19:18 |
| clarkb | (probably good for testing to try and preserve state though) | 19:18 |
| clarkb | pabelanger: yes I think we are saying zanata-dev is that server :) | 19:18 |
| fungi | pabelanger: well, as i said, we do have some puppeted servers running xenial | 19:18 |
| clarkb | and this isn't a new puppet manifest, its an existing one just reapplied to newer distro release | 19:18 |
| pabelanger | fungi: oh, sorry. I missed that | 19:18 |
| pabelanger | okay, cool | 19:18 |
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| fungi | for example, firehose01.o.o is xenial | 19:19 |
| pabelanger | nice, wasn't aware of that | 19:19 |
| fungi | we've just only been using xenial for new services so far and haven't moved any existing services from trusty to xenial as far as i'm aware | 19:19 |
| fungi | but it seems relatively low-risk, especially for the -dev server | 19:20 |
| pabelanger | agreed | 19:20 |
| clarkb | eumel8: was it you that fixed the puppet to handle different java versions? | 19:20 |
| fungi | need to make sure that we also update the node entry for that server in the global site manifest to be tested against xenial instead of trusty | 19:20 |
| clarkb | in any case i18n team has been pretty proactive doing things like ^ which is great too | 19:20 |
| eumel8 | clarkb: yes | 19:20 |
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| fungi | so seems likely to be fairly straightforward. just need an infra-root volunteer to try replacing teh server | 19:21 |
| clarkb | ya I had mentioned at the summit I could probably do that but then havebeen swamped with post summit catching up of all the things | 19:21 |
| pabelanger | I can also help if needed | 19:21 |
| clarkb | I can probably give it a go late this week if no one else is able to | 19:22 |
| clarkb | probably thursday or friday | 19:22 |
| fungi | #action clarkb pabelanger work on replacing translate-dev.openstack.org with xenial server running newer zanata release | 19:22 |
| fungi | thanks! | 19:22 |
| fungi | eumel8: anything else you wanted to cover on this? | 19:22 |
| eumel8 | thanks! | 19:22 |
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| eumel8 | no, thanks, fungi | 19:23 |
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| fungi | thanks for reminding us the i18n team is ready for newer zanata | 19:23 |
| fungi | #topic Scheduling another project rename maintenance (fungi) | 19:23 |
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| eumel8 | :) | 19:23 |
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| fungi | we've had a proposed project rename sitting out there for about 6 weeks | 19:23 |
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| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/381332 'Rename abbreviation name "rsc" (rack scale controller) to final name "valence".' change | 19:24 |
| fungi | i was expecting us to accumulate a few more and batch them up, but it looks like it's just this one | 19:25 |
| AJaeger | yeah, nothing else on the radar so far | 19:25 |
| fungi | anybody up for a (quick) project rename maintenance soon? | 19:25 |
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| fungi | online reindexing worked well last time, so we don't need those massive outages any longer it seems | 19:25 |
| clarkb | next week is major holiday week if I have done my maths right | 19:26 |
| clarkb | so likely needs to happen this week or the week after | 19:26 |
| fungi | just a brief window to make the filesystem/db/group changes and rename in gituhb | 19:26 |
| clarkb | (or maybe enough people don't observe said major holiday and don't mind doing it while the rest of us eat too much turkey) | 19:27 |
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| fungi | yeah, my calendar confirms thanksgiving holiday in the usa is next week | 19:28 |
| ianw | well, i could have a go, but ... i've never done it before, and those that have might not be around | 19:28 |
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| clarkb | if it happens monday or tuesday I can likely be around | 19:28 |
| fungi | i don't have much on my calendar for friday, and with it being a short maintenance i could see having a fairly short advance notification period for that if we send something to teh -dev ml today | 19:29 |
| fungi | i'd say announce it as a 30-minute window though expect the outage to be less than 15 | 19:30 |
| clarkb | (I will be beach bound on friday, I get to experience fungi's daily life for a weekend) | 19:31 |
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| fungi | oh! have fun | 19:31 |
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| fungi | i could see doing the maintenance on monday i guess | 19:32 |
| fungi | anybody happen to know the author of that change's irc nick? | 19:32 |
| mordred | o/ | 19:32 |
| fungi | just wondering how best to go giving their contributors a heads up that it's changing | 19:32 |
| mordred | sorry for being late | 19:33 |
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| fungi | mordred: welcome back to internets | 19:33 |
| clarkb | fungi: lin_yang maybe | 19:33 |
| clarkb | ? | 19:33 |
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| clarkb | (is in -infra) | 19:33 |
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| fungi | yeah, just asked in there | 19:34 |
| fungi | okay, so we could say monday tentative... 22:00 utc? | 19:34 |
| fungi | earlier? later? | 19:35 |
| ianw | isn't that zuul meeting? | 19:35 |
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| clarkb | looking at my calendar I can do before 1900UTC | 19:35 |
| fungi | oh, yep! | 19:35 |
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| clarkb | otherwise its dentist appointments (ugh hate when those sneak up on you) | 19:35 |
| fungi | how about 18:00 utc monday then? | 19:35 |
| clarkb | that I can do | 19:35 |
| fungi | i was trying to go a little later in case ianw wanted to help | 19:36 |
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| clarkb | oh ya, well you also don't need me | 19:36 |
| clarkb | or we could do tuesday after our meeting? | 19:36 |
| clarkb | ~2100UTC? | 19:36 |
| fungi | i expect to be in the tc meeting at that point | 19:36 |
| lin_yang | Thanks a lot to all of you to make rename rsc->valence happen. really appreciate | 19:36 |
| fungi | but i could do 22:00 | 19:36 |
| clarkb | tc is from 2000-2100 isn't it? | 19:37 |
| fungi | oh! | 19:37 |
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| fungi | yep, 21:00 utc totally works for me | 19:37 |
| fungi | ;) | 19:37 |
| clarkb | ianw: ^ that work? | 19:37 |
| ianw | yep, i'll be around | 19:37 |
| fungi | lin_yang: if we rename it on tuesday (a week from today) will that be okay with you and your contributors? | 19:37 |
| ianw | learn the ropes from the old sea dogs :) | 19:38 |
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| lin_yang | fungi: that's okay | 19:38 |
| fungi | excellent | 19:38 |
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| clarkb | fungi: sorry I had already offset "after our meeting" to accomodate tc meeting but didn't make that clear :) | 19:39 |
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| fungi | #info Gerrit will be offline for roughly 15 minutes between 21:00 and 21:30 UTC on Tuesday, November 22 for a project rename maintenance. | 19:39 |
| fungi | does that look right? | 19:39 |
| fungi | anybody want to send an announcement to the -dev ml? | 19:39 |
| clarkb | that looks correct to me | 19:40 |
| ianw | i can send an announcement today | 19:40 |
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| fungi | thanks ianw! | 19:41 |
| fungi | #action ianw send maintenance announcement for project rename | 19:41 |
| fungi | i think we're out of topics now, other than... | 19:41 |
| fungi | #topic Open discussion | 19:41 |
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| clarkb | fungi: on my change to document test envs, you didn't -1 but provided a lot of feedback. Do you want that feedback addressed before merging or merge soonish and address the feedback in followups/ | 19:42 |
| jeblair | clarkb: oh, what's the link for that change? | 19:43 |
| fungi | clarkb: i'm fine either way. was mostly waiting for more feedback to collect on it before either you updated it or i voted | 19:43 |
| clarkb | jeblair: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/394566/1 | 19:43 |
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| clarkb | fungi: gotcha | 19:43 |
| ianw | clarkb: so what's the deal with image uploads? we know for sure of issues with rax until next shade release, right? | 19:43 |
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| fungi | i'm also fine if you don't address everything in there, or ask me to submit an update | 19:43 |
| clarkb | ianw: correct, we need to restart builder today to pick up new shade (was released earlier today I think) | 19:43 |
| clarkb | ianw: that will fix the setting of metadata on the images in rax | 19:43 |
| jeblair | yes, was released earlier today | 19:43 |
| ianw | clarkb: ok, i can do that later today my time when things are quiet | 19:43 |
| clarkb | ianw: cool | 19:44 |
| jeblair | 1.13.1 | 19:44 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | noting to everyone that starting tomorrow, the StoryBoard meeting is moving from 15:00 UTC 19:00UTC (same day and channel, ie: Weds in #openstack-meeting); maybe I should've put this on the agenda. | 19:44 |
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| mordred | ianw, clarkb: do we want to finish landing ianw's logging changes for the restart? | 19:44 |
| pabelanger | now that https://review.openstack.org/#/c/395056/ has landed (RETRY_LIMIT patch). When do we want to schedule a restart of zuul? | 19:44 |
| fungi | oh, great reminder. thanks zara_the_lemur__! | 19:44 |
| clarkb | mordred: ianw I think those got in? or did I misread things last night? | 19:45 |
| ianw | mordred: already landed them yesterday, so we're getting some split out logs /var/log/nodepool/upload | 19:45 |
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| mordred | woot! | 19:45 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: you could just do a hard-restart of all the launchers when the system isn't too busy | 19:45 |
| jeblair | that's what i've been doing | 19:45 |
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| jeblair | oh wait | 19:45 |
| jeblair | the launchers don't need to restart | 19:45 |
| jeblair | it's the scheduler | 19:46 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | fungi: np. :) we'll also make sure to post something to the list in case anyone misses it here. | 19:46 |
| pabelanger | will that work? | 19:46 |
| pabelanger | Ya | 19:46 |
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| jeblair | pabelanger: then i'd just save the check/gate pipelines and then restart when it's not too busy (and there's nothing in the release pipeline) | 19:46 |
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| fungi | #info The StoryBoard meeting time is moving 4 hours later (to 19:00 UTC Wednesdays in #openstack-meeting) starting this week. | 19:47 |
| pabelanger | okay, maybe I'll do that for tomorrow morning. Getting late in the day here | 19:47 |
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| AJaeger | pabelanger: looks rather idle now - but one change in release queue | 19:48 |
| AJaeger | (release-post) | 19:48 |
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| fungi | pabelanger: make sure to give the release team a heads up (in #openstack-release is generally fine) before the zuul restart so they know not to approve anything until you're done | 19:48 |
| pabelanger | AJaeger: my only concern is I won't be around to support the restart if we go now | 19:48 |
| pabelanger | fungi: roger! | 19:49 |
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| AJaeger | pabelanger: ok, understood now | 19:49 |
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| jeblair | pabelanger: (also, as a special case, if the only jobs running in the release pipeline are mirror rebuilds, it's okay to restart) | 19:49 |
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| fungi | right, those are idempotent and will just run again soon thereafter anyway | 19:51 |
| fungi | so no actual loss of state by aborting them | 19:51 |
| ianw | pabelanger: want me to do it my afternoon? | 19:53 |
| fungi | zuul is a ghost town during ianw's afternoon | 19:53 |
| pabelanger | ianw: sure, if you have the time | 19:54 |
| fungi | would probably be a good time, plus pabelanger would probably be around soon thereafter to monitor it | 19:54 |
| pabelanger | I mean, we can do it now, if people are around to help support. I just have to run out for some family things shortly | 19:54 |
| ianw | ok, i'll save the queues and do it about 2pm my time if that's what we want | 19:55 |
| fungi | i don't think we're in a huge hurry. just a couple of changes stuck in check right now loping jobs | 19:55 |
| fungi | er, looping | 19:55 |
| jeblair | they're l(o)oping along | 19:55 |
| AJaeger | down to one - the other got abandoned | 19:55 |
| fungi | ahh, well, would still be good to make sure that remaining one gets reenqueued and then keep an eye on it to make sure it end with a MAX_RETRIES state | 19:56 |
| fungi | er, make sure it endS | 19:56 |
| clarkb | if we want to stop it in the interim you can log into the host running the job and kill thigns until the job fails | 19:56 |
| jeblair | RETRY_LIMIT i think is the word we used | 19:56 |
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| jeblair | clarkb: it'll be a good test case :) | 19:56 |
| AJaeger | change 389654 is the one | 19:56 |
| clarkb | jeblair: yup | 19:57 |
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| AJaeger | but 397756 is running for 6 hours, so might be a canditate as well ;( | 19:57 |
| fungi | er, right-o. i blanked on the status name | 19:57 |
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| ianw | so was the conclusion to restart it this afternoon, and watch that 389654 completes? | 19:59 |
| fungi | ianw: in _your_ "this afternoon" i think, yes | 19:59 |
| fungi | which would be many of our "early tomorrow morning" | 19:59 |
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| fungi | oh, we're out of time--thanks everyone! | 20:00 |
| AJaeger | yes, check that 389654 completes - there's a job getting restarted again and again, with the new change it will only be started 3 times. | 20:00 |
| fungi | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 15 20:00:25 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2016/infra.2016-11-15-19.02.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2016/infra.2016-11-15-19.02.txt | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2016/infra.2016-11-15-19.02.log.html | 20:00 |
| fungi | take it away, ttx | 20:00 |
| stevemar | fungi: cutting it close! | 20:00 |
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| flaper87 | o/ | 20:00 |
| dims | o/ | 20:00 |
| fungi | stevemar: yeah, i like to live dangerously | 20:00 |
| * fungi checks what time the keystone meeting ended today ;) | 20:00 | |
| stevemar | fungi: that wasn't me, that was lbragstad :P | 20:01 |
| fungi | hah | 20:01 |
| fungi | fair enough | 20:01 |
| joehuang | hello | 20:01 |
| lbragstad | did i break something? | 20:01 |
| dtroyer | o/ | 20:01 |
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| fungi | we seem to be nearnig quorum | 20:02 |
| fungi | er, nearing | 20:02 |
| mordred | o/ | 20:02 |
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| dhellmann | o/ | 20:02 |
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| ttx | o/ | 20:02 |
| ttx | sorry | 20:03 |
| flaper87 | and there he is! | 20:03 |
| ttx | #startmeeting tc | 20:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 15 20:03:22 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:03 |
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| ttx | Hi everyone! Sory for lateness | 20:03 |
| joehuang | hi | 20:03 |
| ttx | Our agenda for today: | 20:03 |
| jroll | \o | 20:03 |
| ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee | 20:03 |
| ttx | (remember to use #info #idea and #link liberally to make for a more readable summary) | 20:03 |
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| ttx | #topic Add project Tricircle to OpenStack big-tent | 20:04 |
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| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/338796 | 20:04 |
| ttx | Last week we reviewed this proposal and decided to give it one more week comments | 20:04 |
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| ttx | Especially to get the Neutron point of view | 20:04 |
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| joehuang | one second | 20:04 |
| joehuang | To the concern on core_plugin which is used for Tricircle Local/Central plugin, | 20:04 |
| joehuang | It's ok according to Neutron stadium evolution spec(mechnism driver not enough | 20:04 |
| joehuang | for Tricircle need):(https://github.com/openstack/neutron-specs/blob/master/specs/newton/neutron-stadium.rst) | 20:04 |
| stevemar | o/ | 20:04 |
| thingee | o/ | 20:05 |
| joehuang | " Although some plugins still use the core plugin interface to provide | 20:05 |
| ttx | yes, armax commented on the review, and raised /some/ concerns in terms of integration and collaboration | 20:05 |
| joehuang | end-to-end solutions,the criterion to enforce the adoption of ML2 and | 20:05 |
| joehuang | service plugins for Neutron Stadium projects does not invalidate, nor | 20:05 |
| ttx | I interpreted those concerns as not being showstoppers that should prevent this experimentation to continue, though | 20:05 |
| joehuang | does make monolithic solutions deprecated. It is simply a reflection | 20:05 |
| joehuang | of the fact that the Neutron team stands behind composability as one | 20:05 |
| joehuang | of the promise of open networking solutions. During code review the | 20:05 |
| joehuang | Neutron team will continue to ensure that changes and design implications | 20:05 |
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| joehuang | do not have a negative impact on out of tree code irrespective of whether | 20:05 |
| joehuang | it is part of the Stadium project or not. " | 20:05 |
| flaper87 | ttx: ++ I interpreted those the same way | 20:05 |
| ttx | But they definitely point to the need for increased collaboration between Tricircle and Neutron in the future | 20:05 |
| joehuang | yes, I just found reference in the neutron stadium spec on how to cooperate | 20:05 |
| ttx | My hope is that being in the tent will help that collaboration, so I maintain my +1 | 20:05 |
| dhellmann | yes, I agree. it's not ideal, but we have had similar situations in the past. IIUC, even some existing official drivers do this. | 20:06 |
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| dtroyer | joehuang: given the current state of the stadium, getting direct confirmation on those documents from Neutron might be a good idea | 20:06 |
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| dims | dhellmann ttx : at this time we are expecting a "promise" to cooperate fully with neutron folks and jointly workout disagreements. is it? | 20:07 |
| ttx | dims: not really as far as I'm concerned | 20:07 |
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| ttx | I hope that they will work together rather than in parallel | 20:07 |
| dims | right | 20:07 |
| flaper87 | ++ | 20:07 |
| dhellmann | I think all teams implicitly make the promise to work together. | 20:07 |
| ttx | yes | 20:08 |
| dhellmann | Otherwise, what's the point? | 20:08 |
| mordred | ++ | 20:08 |
| joehuang | it's already guide how to deal with core-plugi in the neutron stadium spec | 20:08 |
| dhellmann | flaper87 : maybe that's another principle for the list: "We collaborate" | 20:08 |
| joehuang | https://github.com/openstack/neutron-specs/blob/master/specs/newton/neutron-stadium.rst | 20:08 |
| dims | dhellmann ++ | 20:08 |
| ttx | OK, objections to immediate approval ? | 20:08 |
| joehuang | I just copied/paste above | 20:08 |
| flaper87 | dhellmann: mmh, I thought it was tehre already | 20:08 |
| dhellmann | oh, maybe | 20:08 |
| flaper87 | will check and add it to the to-write list | 20:08 |
| dhellmann | ttx: none here | 20:08 |
| dims | ttx : let's do it | 20:08 |
| ttx | maybe it's within the "one openstack" | 20:09 |
| ttx | alright, approved | 20:09 |
| ttx | joehuang: welcome! | 20:09 |
| joehuang | thank you | 20:09 |
| dhellmann | we should make sure it's called out clearly | 20:09 |
| joehuang | thank you all | 20:09 |
| ttx | dhellmann: ++ | 20:09 |
| dims | dhellmann : flaper87 : we need one for "Trust", seems many teams struggle with that | 20:09 |
| ttx | #agreed would be good to add "We collaborate" to the principles list | 20:10 |
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| ttx | #topic Revisit list of governed neutron projects | 20:10 |
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| fungi | yeah, it seems like a good addition | 20:10 |
| dhellmann | dims : yes, we may have similar trouble with that like with the good faith item so we'll have to work on wording | 20:10 |
| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/392010 | 20:10 |
| stevemar | joehuang: welcome :) | 20:10 |
| dims | ack dhellmann | 20:10 |
| joehuang | continue to sleep, have a good day, everyone | 20:10 |
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| dims | congrats joehuang | 20:10 |
| ttx | I raised this one at the last meeting, and we discussed it briefly then | 20:10 |
| mordred | joehuang: sleep well - and welcome! | 20:10 |
| joehuang | thank you, bye | 20:10 |
| joehuang | :) | 20:10 |
| ttx | The potential issue here is the unofficialization of neutron-vpnaas, which was covered by our standard deprecation policy | 20:10 |
| ttx | That policy is pretty clear when it comes to removing features from a service, but here it's a bit more fuzzy | 20:11 |
| ttx | because (1) vpnaas inherited the policy from when it was a part of neutron deliverable, and was then split out | 20:11 |
| ttx | (2) the feature is not completely removed, just the repo is being made unofficial (but probably left to bitrot) | 20:11 |
| ttx | (3) if nobody is working on it anyway, it's not as if the TC mandating anything would help | 20:11 |
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| ttx | I think at the very least we should raise a thread on the -operators ML to check how many people actually rely on this | 20:12 |
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| mordred | so - our governance is supposed to be orthogonal to git repository organization (or supposed to help the two not be in lockstep) | 20:12 |
| stevemar | maybe armax can answer, but what was the neutron criteria that vpnaas did not meet ? | 20:12 |
| ttx | If there is a big crowd maybe some of them will raise to maintain it in a new project team | 20:12 |
| mordred | if we had never split it into its own repo and it had just been in the neutron repo with only 2 cores who cared about it | 20:12 |
| mordred | and those 2 cores left | 20:12 |
| mordred | I don't think this would be a discussion | 20:12 |
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| dhellmann | mordred : which way do you think that conversation would have gone? | 20:12 |
| armax | stevemar: a few | 20:12 |
| mordred | it would be a feature in neutorn that needed to go through deprecation | 20:12 |
| ttx | mordred: yes | 20:13 |
| dhellmann | mordred: yes, ok, I agree | 20:13 |
| mordred | and the remaining neutron cores would wince any time a patch came in for it | 20:13 |
| fungi | stevemar: there's a spec listed as a dep of the governance change | 20:13 |
| armax | stevemar: testing coverage is probably the main one | 20:13 |
| dougwig | there have been several ML posts on vpnaas, and yes, they have been inactive for several cycles. | 20:13 |
| mordred | I'm not saying that's a no - just pointing out the difference in thinking we'd have if it wasn't in its own git repo | 20:13 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/383882 "Ocata: Assessment for neutron-vpnaas" change | 20:13 |
| armax | stevemar: but ultimately the problem is the team is no longer there to be involved on a daily basis to keep the project afloat | 20:13 |
| cdent | mordred: that sounds to me like a vote in favor of repo decomposition | 20:13 |
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| dhellmann | armax: you mentioned sending signals, what were those? | 20:13 |
| cdent | (to reify things) | 20:13 |
| mordred | cdent: it's not every day someone uses the word reify ... nicely done | 20:14 |
| armax | dhellmann: discussions on the demise of vpnaas have happened at least during the past 3 cycles | 20:14 |
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| ttx | armax: we could mark it as deprecated and let it bitrot but within neutron team | 20:14 |
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| ttx | mordred: is that what you have in mind ? | 20:14 |
| mordred | it's a theory - I'm more in favor of just pulling the trigger on this one | 20:14 |
| mordred | but it's a thing I tihnk we should consider more strongly as we decompose things | 20:15 |
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| armax | ttx: what does that mean? | 20:15 |
| ttx | Personally I think we should check with ops how much they care | 20:15 |
| dougwig | i think letting it rot sends a bad message. | 20:15 |
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| armax | ttx: if it bitrots, who is going to fix it? | 20:15 |
| dhellmann | armax : were there the usual deprecation processes? adding release notes, whatever? | 20:15 |
| dhellmann | armax : the neutron team owns the code for now. You've committed to a specific deprecation process. | 20:15 |
| dtroyer | it sounds as if the deprecation mark been placed here a couple fo cycles ago this would not be an issue at all… pending giving ops a chance to speak up, I am also ok with just pulling it now | 20:15 |
| ttx | dtroyer: right | 20:15 |
| stevemar | dtroyer: good point | 20:16 |
| dtroyer | dougwig: ++ | 20:16 |
| dougwig | we warned of this being removed for three summits running. | 20:16 |
| mordred | I think the reality is that it's dead - and no matter how we arrived here - it's a dead parrot | 20:16 |
| flaper87 | dougwig: ++ | 20:16 |
| thingee | dougwig what about the operators ML ? | 20:16 |
| mordred | dougwig: ++ | 20:16 |
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| flaper87 | poor parrot :( | 20:16 |
| stevemar | dougwig: what mechanism was used to warn? mailing list? summit hallway talk? release notes? | 20:16 |
| dhellmann | dougwig : right, the question is just whether that notification has been done in a way that is going to reach everyone that needs to know, or if someone's going to be surprised in february that these things are not in the neutron release. | 20:16 |
| dougwig | operators ML got two notices, with only a few replies. | 20:16 |
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| ttx | dougwig: Ah, that's good | 20:17 |
| armax | dhellmann: there were none | 20:17 |
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| mordred | but - it's potentially a learning case even for adding fringe features to projects that only a few of the cores care about - that we should make sure people think about moving forward | 20:17 |
| dougwig | summit fishbowls, dev ML, ops ML. | 20:17 |
| ttx | I missed them somehow | 20:17 |
| thingee | dougwig thanks. with that I'm fine with pulling the trigger. | 20:17 |
| dhellmann | mordred : ++ | 20:17 |
| dougwig | ttx: hmm, were they not phrased in a way that would make folks take notice? that's a touch disturbing. | 20:17 |
| armax | dhellmann: the project code is there, it’s been used but it’s no longer maintained adequately | 20:17 |
| fungi | one of the arguments i saw made in an ops ml post earlier in the year is that vpnaas has been "experimental" this entire time, and only got somewhat working as of liberty | 20:17 |
| dhellmann | armax : have you done a "last" release? | 20:17 |
| armax | dhellmann: yes, newton being the latest | 20:18 |
| ttx | dougwig: no, I failed to find them in the ops ml archive -- I don't doubt they were phrased correctly | 20:18 |
| fungi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2016-May/010295.html | 20:18 |
| dhellmann | ok, I meant has there been a release that had release notes saying "this is the last release" | 20:18 |
| fungi | is one from may | 20:18 |
| armax | dhellmann: buy why? | 20:18 |
| dhellmann | armax : because not everyone reads email, but the packagers will look at those release notes. | 20:18 |
| armax | dhellmann: there’s nothing fundamentally wrong with the project per se | 20:18 |
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| armax | if not lack of people who maitain and care about it on a continuous basis | 20:19 |
| dhellmann | do you think there's someone waiting to pick up the maintenance? | 20:19 |
| armax | dhellmann: I can see your point though | 20:19 |
| armax | dhellmann: that’s what I was hoping for | 20:19 |
| armax | but in lieu of that, if you guys are ok I can make the executive decision to kill the project | 20:20 |
| armax | keep it alive for ocata and retire it in pike | 20:20 |
| dtroyer | sometimes it takes the actual (removal in this case) to trigger the pick-up | 20:20 |
| ttx | OK, so I'd say we have two options here... (1) approve the patch as-is, (2) split the patch and give vpnaas another final round of warning on the Ops ML before removal. | 20:20 |
| dhellmann | armax : I don't think you necessarily need to keep it the whole cycle. We could do a final release tomorrow. | 20:20 |
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| fungi | it's not as if this is killing vpnaas, it's just becoming unofficial because it has no team taking care of it. i don't see a problem with that | 20:20 |
| flaper87 | I'm ok with #1 | 20:20 |
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| dims | ttx : i am comfortable with (1) | 20:21 |
| armax | I honestly don’t believe it’s the right thing to do, but as dtroyer says, it’s possibly the loudest signals of all :) | 20:21 |
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| mordred | I'm comfortable with either | 20:21 |
| dtroyer | fungi: ++ it'll still be there, just not in Ocata release | 20:21 |
| dhellmann | fungi : are you suggesting we just make the governance change, and not add a release note that it's likely the final release? | 20:21 |
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| fungi | also, a follow-on step to retire the repo seems fine. it's very easy to un-retire a repo and even readd it to an official team | 20:21 |
| ttx | I'm fine with either as long as there is yet another notification on the -ops list | 20:22 |
| dougwig | the biggest thing they lose is co-gates with neutron, which i don't think they have anything. | 20:22 |
| fungi | i'm not opposed to having a release that refers to itself as the final release, though i don't think we've done that for other repos in the past (i'm probably wrong about that but it seems uncommon anyway) | 20:22 |
| dims | so let's do #1 and request armax to post a notification to ops list | 20:22 |
| ttx | maybe "final one by the neutron team" | 20:23 |
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| ttx | dims: ++ | 20:23 |
| fungi | and also it would be disingenuous if the repo got resurrected back out of retirement later. how many final releases does a repo get? ;) | 20:23 |
| armax | sorry, #1 being? | 20:23 |
| mordred | maybe we shold add a debian-like RFA thing ... | 20:23 |
| mordred | to our process | 20:23 |
| dims | "(1) approve the patch as-is" | 20:23 |
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| mordred | or ITO - or what is it fungi | 20:23 |
| mordred | ? | 20:23 |
| ttx | ITP is intent to package | 20:23 |
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| armax | dims: thanks | 20:23 |
| fungi | "o" is what you're thinking of mordred | 20:23 |
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| fungi | for "orphaned" | 20:24 |
| mordred | yah | 20:24 |
| ttx | anyway | 20:24 |
| armax | I can send an email on the ops list, it’s possible that it was send a similar one in the past, but I can’t recall | 20:24 |
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| mordred | I was thinking "request for adoption" - for people to signal they're moving on and want to solicit people taking over | 20:24 |
| fungi | right | 20:24 |
| ttx | armax: that one would be "we just remove neutron-vpnaas from neutron team | 20:24 |
| armax | I am sure there are ops affected | 20:24 |
| ttx | removed* | 20:24 |
| armax | ttx: do you want me to draft it and send it over to you first to check the wording? | 20:25 |
| ttx | armax: I'm fine reviewing the wording if you want, but feel free to send it directly too | 20:25 |
| armax | ok | 20:25 |
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| ttx | Objections to immediate approval of the patch ? | 20:25 |
| fungi | thinking more about the "final" release idea, that sends a signal that neutron doesn't want anyone to pick it up and continue working on it, so i'm unconvinced it's wise | 20:25 |
| armax | fungi: right | 20:25 |
| armax | fungi: that’s my sentiment too | 20:25 |
| dhellmann | fungi : ok, I see your point and agree on that | 20:26 |
| armax | if someone picked it up and put it in the right shape I’d be happy to work with anyone to make that happen | 20:26 |
| fungi | this is mor of an orphaning/abandoning situation | 20:26 |
| armax | I feel reluctant to kill something that has a perfectly reasonable use case | 20:26 |
| ttx | OK, approving now | 20:26 |
| flaper87 | ttx: go go go go | 20:26 |
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| ttx | armax: thanks for helping us figure it out | 20:27 |
| ttx | #topic Rearrange presentation of Principles | 20:27 |
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| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/394786 | 20:27 |
| armax | ttx: thank you, I’ll follow up on the MLs | 20:27 |
| ttx | clayg proposed a reordering of the principles, johnthetubaguy rebased it | 20:27 |
| fungi | looks like clayg wasn't going to be around to discuss this one and has left a -1 on it | 20:27 |
| armax | and the rest of the things required to reflect the governance change, like project-config patches etc. | 20:28 |
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| ttx | ok, let's skip this one | 20:28 |
| ttx | looks like we can use another round | 20:28 |
| ttx | as he wants a positive ending note | 20:28 |
| dhellmann | ++ | 20:28 |
| ttx | #agreed let's defer to next week since it's not ready yet | 20:29 |
| ttx | #topic Make tc managed tag names consistent | 20:29 |
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| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/393185 | 20:29 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 20:29 |
| ttx | This suggests basically mandating that every tag have a category | 20:29 |
| fungi | johnthetubaguy makes a good point about this being incomplete | 20:29 |
| ttx | not incomplete, there are extra changes now | 20:30 |
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| dhellmann | is anyone else having trouble with gerrit? | 20:30 |
| fungi | looks like it still needs some tweaking for the starter-kit bit | 20:30 |
| fungi | oh? | 20:30 |
| ttx | we would keep starterkit:compute as-is | 20:30 |
| dims | dhellmann : seems to be working for me | 20:30 |
| flaper87 | fungi: I did that in preivous patch sets | 20:30 |
| dhellmann | dims, thanks | 20:30 |
| flaper87 | and the feedback was to keep it as-is for now | 20:30 |
| ttx | flaper87: but you kept some tc:starterkit-compute changes in | 20:30 |
| fungi | flaper87: you have starter-kit:compute renamed to tc:starter-kit-compute in some places there but not others (latest patchset that i see) | 20:31 |
| ttx | line 656 for example | 20:31 |
| flaper87 | oh, crap | 20:31 |
| flaper87 | missed that one | 20:31 |
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| dtroyer | 2407 | 20:31 |
| flaper87 | sorry, I can fix quickly | 20:31 |
| fungi | it was unclear to me which way you were going with that tag | 20:31 |
| ttx | 2911 | 20:31 |
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| ttx | etc... use grep :) | 20:31 |
| dtroyer | ya, there are 4 or 5 | 20:31 |
| ttx | flaper87: we are in a holding pattern, circling around the landing strip | 20:32 |
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| fungi | i'm fine with the intent, once the implementation is cleaned up | 20:32 |
| ttx | yes, me too | 20:32 |
| thingee | circle back? | 20:32 |
| flaper87 | done | 20:32 |
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| ttx | flaper87: should be starterkit:compute, no ? | 20:33 |
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| fungi | now some of them are starter-kit-compute rather than | 20:33 |
| fungi | yeah | 20:33 |
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| ttx | :%s/starterkit-/starterkit:/g | 20:34 |
| ttx | err :%s/starter-kit-/starter-kit:/g | 20:34 |
| thingee | I believe flaper87 uses emacs. | 20:34 |
| dims | lol | 20:34 |
| ttx | thingee: that would explain | 20:34 |
| thingee | ouch | 20:34 |
| dims | hahaha | 20:34 |
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| smcginnis | :D | 20:35 |
| dhellmann | sed -i ... | 20:35 |
| ttx | he uses tabs, too | 20:35 |
| stevemar | :) | 20:35 |
| dims | no pressure flaper87 | 20:35 |
| flaper87 | hahahaha | 20:35 |
| ttx | none at all | 20:35 |
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| flaper87 | ok, I think it's done | 20:36 |
| ttx | looks like a winner | 20:36 |
| dtroyer | looks good to my tired eyes | 20:36 |
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| flaper87 | phew | 20:36 |
| ttx | Please pile on | 20:36 |
| dhellmann | flaper87 : I think you'll get a warning from sphinx because the legacy file isn't in a toctree, but we can fix that separately | 20:36 |
| ttx | Will approve once it passes tests | 20:36 |
| ttx | dhellmann: I actually like that it's not in the toctree | 20:36 |
| flaper87 | dhellmann: I kept it out on purpose so it wouldn't be listed in the index | 20:37 |
| flaper87 | dhellmann: is there a way to silence that warning ? | 20:37 |
| ttx | dhellmann: I suspect there is a magic bypass | 20:37 |
| stevemar | +1 | 20:37 |
| dhellmann | ttx: we can put it in so it's hidden and doesn't generate a warning | 20:37 |
| ttx | ooooo | 20:37 |
| ttx | shiny | 20:37 |
| ttx | stevemar: not as shiny as the magic arrow in Gerrit | 20:38 |
| ttx | but still shiny | 20:38 |
| stevemar | ;) | 20:38 |
| ttx | #topic Remove release team tags | 20:38 |
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| dhellmann | flaper87 : see the "hidden" option in http://www.sphinx-doc.org/en/1.4.8/markup/toctree.html?highlight=toctree | 20:38 |
| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/396360 | 20:38 |
| ttx | dhellmann: Want to introduce it, or should I ? | 20:38 |
| flaper87 | dhellmann: thanks, had no idea | 20:38 |
| dhellmann | I can | 20:38 |
| flaper87 | will propose a follow-up patch | 20:38 |
| stevemar | ttx: good enough for a meeting mention but not a like on twitter?! | 20:38 |
| dhellmann | this patch is a bit of cleanup for data that is now managed in the openstack/releases repository | 20:38 |
| dhellmann | when we started these tags, we thought they would be relatively stable | 20:38 |
| dhellmann | over the last 2 releases we've been proven wrong on that | 20:39 |
| ttx | stevemar: I'm not a "like" person | 20:39 |
| dhellmann | so we need a way to track the values for a given deliverable over time | 20:39 |
| dhellmann | the releases repo is organized around release series, and is the primary consumer of the tags, so we thought it would be simplest to just move them there | 20:39 |
| ttx | Also those are only used for release management and have little to do with governance | 20:39 |
| dhellmann | we've added the data to the existing files in the releases repo already, so this is just removing old data to avoid confusion about which is the source of truth | 20:40 |
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| dhellmann | yes, that, too | 20:40 |
| ttx | they also tend to change over time, while the governance repo only has one branch | 20:40 |
| dhellmann | moving the data to the other repo makes it easier for teams to make adjustments | 20:40 |
| stevemar | fwiw the release team has been doing a wonderful job, so the more ownership they have over this stuff i'm all for it | 20:40 |
| dhellmann | I suspect this patch will need to be rebased after flaper87's lands | 20:40 |
| smcginnis | stevemar: +1 | 20:40 |
| ttx | dhellmann: probably yes + Tricircle too | 20:41 |
| fungi | it's definitely a rebase-magnet | 20:41 |
| ttx | dhellmann: ideally we would fix-and-land in meeting | 20:41 |
| dhellmann | ah, yes, true | 20:41 |
| dhellmann | ttx: if we can get approval here, then we can use the house rule to land it tomorrow after I've rebased it | 20:41 |
| dhellmann | if the patches are landing we can do that | 20:41 |
| ttx | dhellmann: patches are landed already | 20:41 |
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| stevemar | pressure is on dhellmann now | 20:42 |
| dims | go dhellmann ! | 20:42 |
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| ttx | nobody can beat the patchmachine | 20:42 |
| ttx | Any objection/comment on this one ? | 20:42 |
| ttx | while dhellmann livepatches it ? | 20:42 |
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| dhellmann | ok, updated | 20:43 |
| fungi | *crickets* | 20:43 |
| dims | +1 | 20:44 |
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| stevemar | +1 | 20:45 |
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| ttx | my Gerrit UI hangs reviewing | 20:45 |
| stevemar | only conflits with 7 patches | 20:45 |
| fungi | mine merely queues | 20:45 |
| fungi | ;) | 20:45 |
| dims | i see 4 +1's | 20:45 |
| dhellmann | mine is very slow again, too | 20:45 |
| dhellmann | it was doing that on the other patches, too | 20:45 |
| dims | dhellmann : weird | 20:45 |
| stevemar | fine for me | 20:45 |
| dhellmann | I missed tricircle, new version | 20:46 |
| stevemar | and he buckles under the pressure! | 20:46 |
| fungi | yeah, gerrit doesn't look like it's struggling based on the monitoring we have, so may be something more generally internet-related | 20:46 |
| dhellmann | PS6 should be it | 20:46 |
| mordred | the internet. we've broken the internet | 20:46 |
| * mordred hands the internet a nice fluffy bunny rabbit | 20:47 | |
| * dhellmann pulls out the plug and blows on it | 20:47 | |
| ttx | https://review.openstack.org/gitweb?p=openstack/governance.git;a=commitdiff;h=fb8a0bd4cd26ca11563a1bde533811c1d87cafedif you want to review it off-Gerrit | 20:47 |
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| stevemar | mtreinish: lol | 20:47 |
| fungi | i +1'd but i'm not rereviewing that massive change, just taking dhellmann's word for it | 20:47 |
| mordred | mtreinish: it's the worst isn't it? | 20:47 |
| dims | fungi : y me too | 20:47 |
| dhellmann | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/396360/5..6/reference/projects.yaml | 20:47 |
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| mordred | in case you use google for the calendars - you can set the meeting time to be in Iceland and it's a surrogate for UTC | 20:48 |
| mtreinish | so I did have a question for this change, some of the release tags do indicate what a repo is (the plugin tags) | 20:48 |
| stevemar | we've got 6 | 20:48 |
| mtreinish | I'm wondering if that has value independent of the release use case | 20:48 |
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| ttx | mtreinish: I don't think that's a governance thing | 20:48 |
| dhellmann | mtreinish : so far we've only used those (and only a few of them) to organize releases.openstack.org | 20:48 |
| ttx | as far as governance goes, we only care about which repos are attached to which team | 20:48 |
| dhellmann | I would prefer to have a short description in text to explain what a deliverable is in governance, if we want that | 20:49 |
| mtreinish | dhellmann: sure, but I've had people tell me it's useful for them to have that in the governance list | 20:49 |
| mtreinish | dhellmann: a description works, although it isn't easily parsable | 20:49 |
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| dhellmann | true | 20:50 |
| mtreinish | ttx: sure, I get that POV. I'm just saying I know people have found value in having it in the list of repos in projects.yaml | 20:50 |
| ttx | mtreinish: I can relate to that, yes | 20:50 |
| fungi | mtreinish: i believe there are general use cases for joining datasets between governance and releases, and we talked about maybe a post job to publish a merged dataset | 20:50 |
| dhellmann | ah, yes, that | 20:50 |
| ttx | yeah, we could redirect people to that | 20:51 |
| mtreinish | fungi: is that a thing yet? or something coming soon? | 20:51 |
| fungi | i'd rather keep data closest to where it's used, and unduplicated, and then render reference materials that make sense from well-organized data rather than the other way around | 20:51 |
| ttx | Should we defer the change ? | 20:51 |
| dhellmann | we were going to publish something from openstack/releases in a format that makes it easy to import into the project navigator | 20:51 |
| dhellmann | the release team will coordinate with the foundation staff on that | 20:51 |
| dhellmann | I'd like to get rid of the duplicated release tag info asap | 20:52 |
| ttx | descriptions aren't a bad idea though | 20:52 |
| ttx | anyway, let's approve this one while it's current and fix the gap ? | 20:53 |
| ttx | shouldn't take long | 20:53 |
| fungi | wfm | 20:53 |
| dtroyer | ++ | 20:53 |
| ttx | definitely before Ocata-2 | 20:53 |
| dims | ++ | 20:53 |
| ttx | mtreinish: ? | 20:53 |
| stevemar | yes plesase | 20:53 |
| mtreinish | ttx: wfm | 20:54 |
| ttx | alright it is in | 20:54 |
| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 20:54 |
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| ttx | * New neutron subnet pool support breaks multinode testing (https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1629133) | 20:54 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1629133 in Magnum "New neutron subnet pool support breaks multinode testing." [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Spyros Trigazis (strigazi) | 20:54 |
| ttx | mordred: want to talk about that one ? | 20:54 |
| ttx | In other news, I could use an extra code review on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/391588/ so that I can approve it under the "code changes" house rule | 20:54 |
| ttx | oh, fungi did review it | 20:54 |
| ttx | I'll approve now | 20:54 |
| fungi | i did indeed | 20:54 |
| mordred | yah - this is mostly an fyi for folks - armax and kevinbenton are on top of it for now | 20:55 |
| mordred | but it sits in an awkward space in terms of ownership | 20:55 |
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| mordred | essentially, there is a currently default behavior in devstack when neutron is enabled that does not use the FIXED_RANGE value that the gate feeds into the config ... there are valid semantic reasons for not doing so | 20:55 |
| flaper87 | w000h000000000 badges o/ \o \o/ | 20:56 |
| fungi | i'd still like to see a portable registry of network offsets in devstack, but i don't have the bandwidth to write that myself | 20:56 |
| jroll | mordred: reading that bug again, I think I can prove that it's still broken, if you would like me to do that thing | 20:56 |
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| mordred | but ignoring it means that routing on the host gets hosed so subsequnet internet accesses do not work | 20:56 |
| fungi | otherwise this is just going to come up again and again in the future | 20:56 |
| amrith | that issue is vile; it has trove in pieces on the floor and someone is dancing on it with hobnailed boots. | 20:56 |
| mordred | this has wound up breaking several project's gates | 20:56 |
| mordred | yah. that | 20:56 |
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| jroll | ironic has patched over it with configs | 20:57 |
| mordred | in any case - kevinbenton has the task and is running with it at the moment - but it's a thing that sits on the intersection of devstack, neutron and devstack-gate - so it's in that lovely cross-project sweet spot that makes things hard | 20:57 |
| fungi | right, several projects i believe have workarounds in their jobs to fix ipv4 global network access when running in osic | 20:57 |
| mordred | so I though ti was worth making sure everyone was aware of - and that it's important that we all get to an actual solution | 20:57 |
| dhellmann | don't we usually revert changes like this to unbreak other projects while a real fix is put into place? | 20:57 |
| ttx | yes, we should support him however we can | 20:57 |
| amrith | mordred, which review is this? | 20:57 |
| dhellmann | ++ | 20:57 |
| mordred | amrith: don't know if there is a review yet - kevin took the actoin in the neutron meeting yesterday | 20:58 |
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| ttx | Oh. While reviewing https://review.openstack.org/#/c/365590/ I wondered out loud whether we should have a "we prefer 10 nice people to a 10x rockstar that happens to be abusive" principle ? | 20:58 |
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| amrith | ok, this is my lame, half-arsed, solution to get things moving for now. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/397368/ | 20:58 |
| mtreinish | dhellmann: iirc a straight revert would break projects who depended on the feature being enabled | 20:58 |
| mordred | there is also a devstack-gate patch up to theoreically work around it ... although that did not work for you right amrith? | 20:58 |
| mordred | mtreinish: ++ | 20:58 |
| mtreinish | dhellmann: but it's been a while since I looked at it | 20:58 |
| clarkb | mtreinish: yes that is correct | 20:58 |
| amrith | mordred, I didn't do it in devstack gate | 20:58 |
| amrith | I did it in the two jobs that I cared about | 20:58 |
| clarkb | many projects already depend on subnet pools existing | 20:58 |
| amrith | and yes it worked | 20:58 |
| amrith | but my 'workaroud' is to go back to nova networking | 20:59 |
| amrith | the 'fix' isn't working | 20:59 |
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| amrith | right now nova appears to puke and says no valid hosts are found when we try to launch a guest db | 20:59 |
| mordred | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/379521 is the devstack-gate workaround | 20:59 |
| mordred | or, the theoretical workaround | 20:59 |
| fungi | right, this was less obvious before the subsequent change went in to make neutron the default in devstack jobs | 20:59 |
| amrith | yes, that one didn't work for us. we need more magic layered on top of that if anything. | 20:59 |
| jroll | amrith: ironic was able to use USE_SUBNETPOOL=False to get around for now, fwiw, maybe that can help trove out | 21:00 |
| ttx | we are running out of time, I propose that people continue that discussion on #openstack-dev | 21:00 |
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| ttx | since that sounds like a good venue for that | 21:00 |
| amrith | jroll, will try that as well | 21:00 |
| mtreinish | jroll: I thought trove was the project that required subnet pools | 21:00 |
| amrith | thx ttx, wilco | 21:00 |
| mtreinish | or was it a different one | 21:00 |
| mordred | ttx: yah - thanks - mostly just wanted to make sure everyone knew it was ongoing important work | 21:00 |
| amrith | mordred, catch you there or -infra | 21:00 |
| amrith | thx jroll | 21:00 |
| dims | thanks mordred | 21:00 |
| ttx | mordred: thank you for that | 21:00 |
| flaper87 | thanks mordred | 21:00 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 15 21:00:55 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2016/tc.2016-11-15-20.03.html | 21:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2016/tc.2016-11-15-20.03.txt | 21:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2016/tc.2016-11-15-20.03.log.html | 21:01 |
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