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| thinrichs1 | ping: ekcs, masahito, ramineni, aimeeu | 00:01 |
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| ekcs | hi | 00:01 |
| masahito | hi | 00:01 |
| thinrichs1 | #startmeeting CongressTeamMeeting | 00:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 13 00:01:22 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is thinrichs1. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'congressteammeeting' | 00:01 |
| aimeeu | Good day" | 00:01 |
| njohnston | o/ | 00:01 |
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| thinrichs1 | Hi all! | 00:01 |
| thinrichs1 | njohnston: glad you made it back today! | 00:02 |
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| thinrichs1 | This week ekcs is really running the meeting, but | 00:02 |
| thinrichs1 | he's trying to minimize typing b/c of RSI, | 00:02 |
| thinrichs1 | so he asked me to help out | 00:02 |
| thinrichs1 | Here's the agenda for the day… | 00:03 |
| ekcs | thanks thinrichs1 ! | 00:03 |
| thinrichs1 | 1. Barcelona | 00:03 |
| thinrichs1 | 2. Newton.0.1 release | 00:03 |
| thinrichs1 | 3. PTG | 00:03 |
| thinrichs1 | 4. Status updates | 00:03 |
| thinrichs1 | 5. Open discussion | 00:03 |
| thinrichs1 | Anything else to add? | 00:03 |
| thinrichs1 | ekcs: happy to help! | 00:03 |
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| thinrichs1 | #topic Barcelona | 00:05 |
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| thinrichs1 | Remember that the focus for the summit is around use-cases and new features to satisfy use cases | 00:06 |
| thinrichs1 | Here's our etherpad, where we're keeping track of who has ideas for use cases and when they're presenting those. | 00:06 |
| thinrichs1 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/congress-ocata-design-summit | 00:06 |
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| thinrichs1 | We should all be thinking about use cases that we think are important, | 00:07 |
| thinrichs1 | making notes of them in the etherpad, | 00:07 |
| thinrichs1 | so that by the end of the summit we can prioritize use cases and the features needed to implement them | 00:07 |
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| thinrichs1 | njohnston: Given your interests, perhaps now is a good time to introduce yourself to the group and say a bit about why you are interested in Congress | 00:08 |
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| njohnston | Hi! My name is Nate Johnston, and I am a core contributon for the neutron-fwaas team | 00:09 |
| njohnston | neutron-fwaas implements Firewall as a Service, which is really just a large dictionary of policies to enforce and the enforcement mechanism to implement the rules | 00:09 |
| thinrichs1 | Maybe he stepped away. We can come back to him later. | 00:09 |
| thinrichs1 | Any questions or comments about Barcelona? Ideas about people to invite? | 00:09 |
| njohnston | So I submitted this blueprint to talk about some of my use cases: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/congress/+spec/congress-fwaas | 00:10 |
| njohnston | netsplit? | 00:10 |
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| masahito | thinrichs1: I'm seeing njohnston's comments. | 00:11 |
| thinrichs1 | If a netsplit, seems it caught up now | 00:11 |
| thinrichs1 | I'm seeing njohnston's comments too now | 00:11 |
| njohnston | I think that congress and fwaas are a very good combination, and I am excited to start looking at integrations | 00:12 |
| ekcs | Adding to meeting summary. #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/congress/+spec/congress-fwaas | 00:13 |
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| thinrichs1 | njohnston: Cool! I read over your revised blueprint just now. Seems interesting and at first glance doable | 00:14 |
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| thinrichs1 | njohnston: tried to leave a comment, but launchpad barfed. | 00:14 |
| njohnston | thanks! | 00:15 |
| njohnston | so other than that, I am here to watch and learn | 00:15 |
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| thinrichs1 | njohnston: welcome (again)! I'm looking forward to discussing this use case in Barcelona! | 00:15 |
| thinrichs1 | Any other comments/questions for njohnston? | 00:16 |
| njohnston | If you think of anything, hit me up anytime - I am usually in #openstack-neutron | 00:16 |
| njohnston | speaking fo which, do you all have an IRC channel you use? | 00:17 |
| thinrichs1 | #congress | 00:17 |
| thinrichs1 | njohnston: good to know where to find you! | 00:17 |
| njohnston | excellent! I joined #openstack-congress but I was sad and lonely. | 00:17 |
| thinrichs1 | :) | 00:17 |
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| thinrichs1 | Besides njohnston we have 1 other speaker for that 40 minute slot in the large fishbowl room. | 00:18 |
| thinrichs1 | I'd say 2-3 speakers is probably the right number. | 00:19 |
| thinrichs1 | I reached out to the Monasca team, but Fabio who most of you know isn't making the trip. | 00:19 |
| thinrichs1 | Any other thoughts about a 3rd speaker to invite? | 00:19 |
| thinrichs1 | #topic Newton.0.1 | 00:20 |
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| ekcs | has anyone talked to the vitrage guys lately? | 00:21 |
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| thinrichs1 | ekcs: not me | 00:21 |
| ekcs | I see on their workesssion agenda that they mentioned congress. | 00:22 |
| ekcs | so seems they still have interest in something. I can shoot them an email. | 00:22 |
| thinrichs1 | ekcs: that'd be great! The other team that we met with last time was Watcher. | 00:22 |
| thinrichs1 | ekcs: I'm happy to help reach out to folks—let me know who you'd like me to ping | 00:24 |
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| ekcs | ok. | 00:24 |
| thinrichs1 | On to Newton I'd say, given the time. | 00:24 |
| thinrichs1 | There are a number of lingering issues we didn't have a chance to fix before the Newton release... | 00:25 |
| thinrichs1 | - ceilometer driver | 00:25 |
| thinrichs1 | - remove database locking #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/384747/ | 00:25 |
| thinrichs1 | - check DB not mem in datasource create #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/376166/ | 00:25 |
| thinrichs1 | Anything else come to mind? | 00:25 |
| thinrichs1 | I'd lean toward pushing those changes to stable/newton | 00:27 |
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| thinrichs1 | We don't need to do a release until we feel there's enough different to warrant one | 00:28 |
| ekcs | if we modify stable/newton, does that obligate a x.0.1 release at some point? | 00:28 |
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| thinrichs1 | ekcs: not sure. This is the first cycle we've had the release team actually manage our releases. | 00:28 |
| njohnston | most likely, I would thing, so that the packagers have something to release to consumers | 00:28 |
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| njohnston | like RDO and the debian build people | 00:29 |
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| thinrichs1 | njohnston: agreed that we shouldn't be pushing stuff to stable/newton unless we expect to do a release at some point | 00:29 |
| thinrichs1 | what I don't know is whether the release team does 1 release for all the projects at the same time, or whether each project can release independently | 00:30 |
| njohnston | I believe there is milestones | 00:30 |
| ekcs | I wondered whether it’s worth putting more work into (non-critical) newton update given that ocata is right around the corner. | 00:31 |
| njohnston | I believe that when O-1 drops N+1 usually drops at the same time, for non-client projects https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0ahUKEwi8m4i9w9bPAhVJeT4KHTtwA4kQFggnMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Freleases.openstack.org%2Focata%2Fschedule.html&usg=AFQjCNElEllVCBXggiyMaeKmDtZ2Z0mRyQ&sig2=7I3cG_hrTsQQZAfgVVFIEg&bvm=bv.135475266,d.cWw | 00:32 |
| njohnston | oops, bad link there | 00:32 |
| njohnston | was trying to link to https://releases.openstack.org/ocata/schedule.html | 00:32 |
| ekcs | but given that we are supporting newton for a couple more cycles I guess we should expect that there will be an update at some point. | 00:33 |
| ekcs | so putting some of these changes in is not a big marginal cost if we’re going to do an update anyway. | 00:33 |
| ekcs | main cost to us is manual testing. | 00:33 |
| thinrichs1 | I would expect another release on newton/stable given how many changes went in so late. | 00:33 |
| ekcs | makes sense. | 00:33 |
| ekcs | masahito: do you have any thoughts? | 00:33 |
| thinrichs1 | And it's time for us to start thinking about backporting bug-fixes periodically and doing releases | 00:33 |
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| ekcs | got it thanks njohnston ! | 00:34 |
| njohnston | just make sure that you are following the stable branch policy from the release team: "The stable branches are intended to be a safe source of fixes for high impact bugs and security issues which have been fixed on master since a given release." | 00:34 |
| njohnston | http://docs.openstack.org/project-team-guide/stable-branches.html | 00:34 |
| thinrichs1 | high-impact/security bugs….hmmmm…not sure any of our changes meet that criteria | 00:35 |
| thinrichs1 | ekcs: what do you think? | 00:35 |
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| masahito | I think the bugs listed in above meets the criteria. | 00:36 |
| ekcs | I’d htink ‘no’ to the DB changes. but maybe yes to ceilometer and testing changes. | 00:36 |
| ekcs | based on this “Note It’s nevertheless allowed to backport fixes for other bugs if their safety can be easily proved. For example, documentation fixes, debug log message typo corrections, test only changes, patches that enhance test coverage, configuration file content fixes can apply to all supported branches. For those types of backports, stable maintainers will decide on case by case basis.” | 00:36 |
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| thinrichs1 | Testing changes make sense to ensure we've got good tests for when we patch critical problems. | 00:37 |
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| thinrichs1 | Ceilometer seems less critical, but certainly safe | 00:37 |
| ekcs | well maybe we can decide later on the DB changes. | 00:39 |
| ekcs | I don’t think they’re necessarily high-impact. | 00:39 |
| ekcs | unless someone runs into problems. | 00:40 |
| thinrichs1 | ekcs: right. We could put those in if we need to patch another bug that is high impact and that depends on the new DB stuff | 00:40 |
| thinrichs1 | Time check: 20 min remain. | 00:40 |
| masahito | thinrichs1: agreed. | 00:40 |
| thinrichs1 | Let's move on to the next topic | 00:40 |
| thinrichs1 | #topic PTG | 00:40 |
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| thinrichs1 | Remember that last week we discussed whether to have Congress meet-ups at the PTG. | 00:41 |
| thinrichs1 | If I remember right, everyone was in favor of the PTG meetups. | 00:41 |
| thinrichs1 | That doesn't stop us from also meeting up at the summit (without any meeting-rooms) | 00:41 |
| thinrichs1 | We need to decide in the next few days (if I remember right). | 00:41 |
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| ekcs | right. | 00:42 |
| thinrichs1 | Anyone NOT want us to set up PTG meetings for Congress? | 00:42 |
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| thinrichs1 | Anyone know they won't be able to attend the PTG meetings? | 00:42 |
| ekcs | note this is juts for the first PTG. we can always do something different in later PTGs if it doesn’t work well. | 00:42 |
| thinrichs1 | ekcs: Atlanta this time? | 00:43 |
| ekcs | thinrichs1: yes. | 00:43 |
| aimeeu | Has Congress ever tried a virtual mid-cycle? | 00:43 |
| ekcs | feb | 00:43 |
| thinrichs1 | aimeeu: nope | 00:44 |
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| ekcs | on meeting up at future summits, we are certainly free to meet, just that I don’t expect most to be there if we adopt PTG model. | 00:44 |
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| thinrichs1 | ekcs: agreed | 00:44 |
| aimeeu | just asking about virtual because the Tacker team opted out of the PTG in favor of their normal virtual mid-cycle | 00:44 |
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| aimeeu | so something to think about for the future | 00:45 |
| thinrichs1 | virtual would be interesting, though time-zones would be difficult | 00:45 |
| aimeeu | if budgets continue to shrink | 00:45 |
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| thinrichs1 | masahito: are you planning to come to the Atlanta PTG? | 00:45 |
| aimeeu | thinrichs1: yes, we in the US would probably end up working 2nd shift | 00:45 |
| masahito | thinrichs1: yes if we have | 00:45 |
| ekcs | aimeeu: do you know if tacker expects to do the “mid cycle” at the beginning of the cycle (feb) or the middle? | 00:46 |
| aimeeu | ekcs: nope - I didn't look into it that part | 00:46 |
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| thinrichs1 | I'd vote for doing it if people think they'll have budgets to make the trip. | 00:47 |
| thinrichs1 | Otherwise, we could set up a virtual meet-up | 00:48 |
| thinrichs1 | ekcs: can you make the trip? | 00:48 |
| thinrichs1 | aimeeu: what about you? | 00:48 |
| aimeeu | I don't know yet - I just changed positions at work - new boss, new org, lots of unknowns as to travel | 00:49 |
| ekcs | I can def make it. possibly whether we have work sessions or not. | 00:49 |
| ekcs | maybe I’ll get ramineni’s take on whether she thinks she’ll be able to make it. | 00:50 |
| thinrichs1 | That sounds like 3 pretty strong Yes, 1 maybe, and 1 probably Yes (assuming ramineni continues to travel like she has in the past) | 00:50 |
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| ekcs | ok so on the PTG response, we can say YES or NO or MAYBE. | 00:51 |
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| ekcs | so we are either YES or MAYBE. seems like YES. | 00:51 |
| thinrichs1 | Well if ramineni can make it, I'd think it's a Yes. If she can't, I'd say it's a Maybe | 00:51 |
| ekcs | great. | 00:51 |
| thinrichs1 | 9 min left. | 00:52 |
| thinrichs1 | #topic Status and open discussion | 00:52 |
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| thinrichs1 | Let's do this simultaneously since we're short on time. | 00:52 |
| thinrichs1 | masahito, aimeeu, ekcs: status updates? | 00:53 |
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| thinrichs1 | Or anything else that needs to be discussed as a group? | 00:53 |
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| aimeeu | not much from me - Summit prep mostly | 00:53 |
| ekcs | I’m working on DB change and multi-proc haht tox test. looking into the antlr mess again. and summit prep. | 00:54 |
| ekcs | but mostly I’m focused on gathering material for the work sessions. | 00:55 |
| ekcs | anyone looked at the schedule and see any talks of interest to us? | 00:55 |
| thinrichs1 | There are a number that come up when searching for Congress | 00:55 |
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| thinrichs1 | I haven't gone thru the talks other than that | 00:55 |
| ekcs | got it. i’m in the process of going through them. some interesting policy things but I haven’t organized them in any way. | 00:56 |
| masahito | I'm working on use-case policy of Doctor fits current congress features for summit session. | 00:57 |
| thinrichs1 | ekcs: I'd be interested in seeing your list when you're finished. Maybe post to the ML when you're finished? | 00:57 |
| ekcs | ok thinrichs1 | 00:57 |
| aimeeu | I think there is at least one OPNFV talks that mentions Congress | 00:57 |
| thinrichs1 | masahito: cool! Looking forward to seeing your talk | 00:57 |
| masahito | aimeeu: it would be my session. | 00:58 |
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| masahito | https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/global-search?t=Congress | 00:58 |
| aimeeu | masahito: oh yes! I just found it | 00:58 |
| aimeeu | ekcs: BTW tacker will have a virtual in Feb | 00:58 |
| ekcs | aimeeu: thanks! so they’ll have a virtual “start cycle" | 00:59 |
| aimeeu | ;p | 00:59 |
| thinrichs1 | Out of time for this week. | 01:00 |
| thinrichs1 | Thanks all! | 01:00 |
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| masahito | thanks | 01:01 |
| thinrichs1 | #endmeeting | 01:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 13 01:01:23 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2016/congressteammeeting.2016-10-13-00.01.html | 01:01 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2016/congressteammeeting.2016-10-13-00.01.txt | 01:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2016/congressteammeeting.2016-10-13-00.01.log.html | 01:01 |
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| ujuc | hi | 13:00 |
| eumel8 | hi | 13:00 |
| ianychoi_phone | Helo! | 13:00 |
| ujuc | :-) | 13:00 |
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| jftalta | hi all | 13:01 |
| zzxwill | Hello. | 13:01 |
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| jftalta | let's start i18n meeting. here we go... | 13:01 |
| jftalta | #startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting | 13:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 13 13:01:32 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jftalta. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 13:01 | |
| ianychoi_phone | jftalta: could you run meeting? Wow! | 13:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting' | 13:01 |
| ujuc | :-)) | 13:01 |
| ianychoi_phone | :) | 13:02 |
| jftalta | #topic last meeting actions review | 13:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "last meeting actions review (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 13:02 | |
| jftalta | ianychoi ?... | 13:02 |
| ianychoi_phone | Let's see.. | 13:02 |
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| jftalta | Hi daisy | 13:03 |
| ianychoi_phone | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2016/openstack_i18n_meeting.2016-10-06-07.00.html | 13:03 |
| Daisy | Hi, jftalta | 13:03 |
| ianychoi_phone | Hi Daisy! | 13:03 |
| zzxwill | Hi Daisy:) | 13:03 |
| ujuc | hi daisy | 13:03 |
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| Daisy | Hi all | 13:04 |
| JoseMello | hi | 13:04 |
| ianychoi_phone | I think we accomplished all actions except Barcelona Design Summit plan. | 13:04 |
| Daisy | congratulations~ | 13:04 |
| jftalta | great | 13:04 |
| ianychoi_phone | Let's discuss with later topic | 13:04 |
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| eumel8 | Hi Daisy! Long time no seen | 13:04 |
| Daisy | Hi, eumel8 | 13:04 |
| jftalta | ok, so let's open next topic | 13:04 |
| ianychoi_phone | +1 | 13:05 |
| ujuc | +1 | 13:05 |
| jftalta | #topic merging stable-newton to master | 13:05 |
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| jftalta | ianychoy ? | 13:06 |
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| jftalta | Hi tonytan_brb | 13:06 |
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| tonytan_brb | hi jftalta | 13:06 |
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| ianychoi_phone | #action ianychoi will merge Horizon translation result from stable-newton to master | 13:06 |
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| jftalta | hi dmacpher | 13:07 |
| ianychoi_phone | Since there are lots of translations in stable-newton, we need to merge to master | 13:07 |
| dmacpher_ | Howdy | 13:07 |
| ianychoi_phone | I will do that and announce later ;) | 13:07 |
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| eumel8 | +1 | 13:07 |
| Daisy | +1 | 13:08 |
| ianychoi_phone | I think Horizon related projects will be target.. | 13:08 |
| jftalta | +1 | 13:08 |
| ujuc | +1 | 13:08 |
| ianychoi_phone | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/i18n,n,z | 13:08 |
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| ianychoi_phone | And this link is open reviews. Anyone is welcome to write comments :) | 13:09 |
| jftalta | hi jimholl | 13:09 |
| jftalta | anything more to say about this topic ? | 13:10 |
| ianychoi_phone | Yep then, now eumel8 's turn! :) | 13:10 |
| jftalta | ok, next topic | 13:10 |
| ianychoi_phone | Nope:) sorry i am slow through my phone.. | 13:10 |
| jftalta | #topic translation checksite | 13:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "translation checksite (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 13:10 | |
| jftalta | eumel8 ? | 13:11 |
| eumel8 | yeah, translation checksite | 13:11 |
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| eumel8 | I've sent a new proposal for rollout openstack-ansible and the included horizon site in container | 13:12 |
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| jftalta | to the infra team ? | 13:12 |
| eumel8 | partly | 13:12 |
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| eumel8 | The question is, if infra team can deal with this kind of installation | 13:13 |
| ianychoi_phone | eumel8: yep thanks a lot! | 13:13 |
| eumel8 | you like this direction with ansible or you want to spend more time in DevStack and puppet | 13:13 |
| ianychoi_phone | Elizabeth will see your proposal | 13:13 |
| eumel8 | thats the question | 13:13 |
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| jftalta | imho, OSA is a good direction | 13:14 |
| ianychoi_phone | Personally it is hard to run DevStack without errors.. | 13:14 |
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| jftalta | +1 | 13:15 |
| eumel8 | Maybe I want to join the next infra team meeting on Tuesday to clarify | 13:15 |
| ianychoi_phone | My question is that is it possible to run OSA with latest Horizon sources? eumel8 ? | 13:16 |
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| ianychoi_phone | eumel8: +1 :) | 13:16 |
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| eumel8 | Yes, I think so, the sources are already fetched from git | 13:16 |
| ujuc | :) | 13:16 |
| eumel8 | like in DevStack | 13:16 |
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| jftalta | from git or from pip repo ? | 13:17 |
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| eumel8 | git | 13:17 |
| jftalta | ok | 13:17 |
| ianychoi_phone | Wow good!!! | 13:17 |
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| jftalta | it would be great if we could get the translation checksite for Ocata cycle | 13:18 |
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| zzxwill | Agreed! | 13:18 |
| ianychoi_phone | #action eumel8 will attend infra team meeting to discuss translation checksite | 13:18 |
| eumel8 | yes | 13:18 |
| ujuc | +1 :)) | 13:18 |
| jftalta | +1 | 13:18 |
| ianychoi_phone | jftalta: i really want to :) | 13:18 |
| jftalta | yes, I do know ;) | 13:19 |
| ianychoi_phone | Ok. Then next topic? | 13:19 |
| jftalta | #topic hard string freeze period criteria | 13:20 |
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| ianychoi_phone | So.. currently we are discussing 75%, 66%, and 40%. | 13:21 |
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| ianychoi_phone | 75% is translation job inclusion | 13:22 |
| ianychoi_phone | 66% is for release inclusion | 13:22 |
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| ianychoi_phone | And 40% is cutting criteria | 13:22 |
| zzxwill | So ianychoi_phone, you can +1 workflow for the fix? | 13:22 |
| eumel8 | 40% was too high for me. I mentioned already | 13:23 |
| ianychoi_phone | This 40% was previously 20% | 13:23 |
| jftalta | could you please explain "job" inclusion ? | 13:23 |
| ianychoi_phone | Everyone is okay? | 13:23 |
| ujuc | um... | 13:23 |
| ujuc | ok :) | 13:23 |
| ianychoi_phone | jftalta: import job from Zanata to openstack repository | 13:23 |
| jftalta | ok | 13:24 |
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| ianychoi_phone | If there is any concern on this, please tell me | 13:25 |
| jftalta | I don't know what to think of these values... | 13:25 |
| eumel8 | Why was the lower value changed from 20 to 40%? | 13:26 |
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| eumel8 | I miss my comment in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/384183/ | 13:27 |
| ianychoi_phone | eumel8: good question. Andreas mainly see infra side jobs and it was too difficult to manage all the translation jobs.. So he changed for cleanup purpose. | 13:27 |
| ianychoi_phone | From later I want to change values with discussion. | 13:28 |
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| eumel8 | ok, my comment was: there are also a lots of work in this 40% part, so I wouldn't cut it so hard. | 13:28 |
| ianychoi_phone | It was changed without discussion, but I want to ask all translators: whether this value is acceptable to us or not | 13:28 |
| ianychoi_phone | eumel8: okay :) | 13:29 |
| ianychoi_phone | Then.. it seems that nobody has objections on 20->40% | 13:29 |
| jftalta | I think local teams have to discuss this topic | 13:30 |
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| eumel8 | sounds good! | 13:30 |
| ianychoi_phone | Hmm, then having one more week round would be better? | 13:30 |
| eumel8 | yes | 13:31 |
| jftalta | one or two... | 13:31 |
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| ujuc | hmmm..... two week | 13:31 |
| ianychoi_phone | Yep then let's facilitate more local discussions and finalize on Design summit! | 13:31 |
| jftalta | Hi Leo_ | 13:31 |
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| zzxwill | For Chinese team, we will agree the change (20-40%). Right, Daisy? | 13:31 |
| Leo_ | hi | 13:32 |
| ianychoi_phone | Leo_: hi :) | 13:32 |
| Daisy | I agree with you, zzxwill. | 13:32 |
| zzxwill | Thanks:) | 13:33 |
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| ianychoi_phone | #info let's have more local discussions on 20->40% criteria and fix around Design Summit | 13:33 |
| ianychoi_phone | Then move on?? | 13:33 |
| zzxwill | Okay. | 13:33 |
| jftalta | next topic ? | 13:33 |
| ianychoi_phone | +1 :) | 13:34 |
| jftalta | #topic contributors meetup planning and reviewing | 13:34 |
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| ianychoi_phone | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barcelona-i18n-meetup | 13:35 |
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| ianychoi_phone | Daisy: would like to participate in virtual meeting : http://doodle.com/poll/zny89dgs53n28y56 | 13:36 |
| Daisy | Let me check | 13:37 |
| ianychoi_phone | I want to skip IRC meeting on that week and open virtual meeting during Design Summit | 13:37 |
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| jftalta | +1 | 13:37 |
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| ujuc | +1 | 13:37 |
| Daisy | +1 | 13:37 |
| Daisy | ianychoi_phone: I will add my answer to that survey. | 13:38 |
| eumel8 | Is virtual now IRC or Google hangout? | 13:38 |
| jftalta | we still have a couple of days to fill out the agenda | 13:38 |
| ianychoi_phone | +1 thanks! | 13:38 |
| ianychoi_phone | Both i think | 13:38 |
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| eumel8 | k | 13:38 |
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| ianychoi_phone | If you have more idea on Design Summit please add to Etherpad | 13:39 |
| jftalta | hi jgregor | 13:39 |
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| ianychoi_phone | I will finalize virtual meeting time with in a fews days later.. | 13:40 |
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| zzxwill | ianychoi_phone, I added one item to the Etherpad, thanks. | 13:40 |
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| ianychoi_phone | And i am finding other team people to come to I18n contrubiutor meeting | 13:41 |
| ianychoi_phone | If you think someone please tell me | 13:41 |
| jftalta | +1 | 13:41 |
| Daisy | ianychoi_phone: Do you know if any Zanata developers go to summit ? | 13:42 |
| ianychoi_phone | Daisy unfortunately no but Alex will come to virtual meetup | 13:42 |
| Daisy | ok. | 13:42 |
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| jftalta | and what about Carlos ? | 13:42 |
| ianychoi_phone | jftalta: i think i asked to Alex but no AFAIK | 13:43 |
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| jftalta | ok | 13:43 |
| ianychoi_phone | Okay then move on? | 13:44 |
| zzxwill | please. | 13:44 |
| jftalta | ok, lets' move to the last topic | 13:44 |
| jftalta | #topic landing page | 13:45 |
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| jftalta | what landing page are we talking about ? | 13:45 |
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| ianychoi_phone | zzxwill: would you tell on that? | 13:45 |
| ianychoi_phone | I think he asked it.. | 13:45 |
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| zzxwill | As Ian mentioned two links install-guide-obs and install-guide-ubuntu for Chinese, I am working on to put those two in the landing page. | 13:46 |
| zzxwill | http://docs.openstack.org/zh_CN/ | 13:46 |
| zzxwill | The fix will be available tonight. | 13:46 |
| Daisy | Great, zzxwill | 13:46 |
| ianychoi_phone | Great | 13:47 |
| jftalta | :) | 13:47 |
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| ianychoi_phone | Any questions on that? | 13:47 |
| zzxwill | But I don't know all the links which are translated for Chinese. How can I know the all, ianchoi_phone? | 13:47 |
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| zzxwill | Thanks Daisy. | 13:47 |
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| jftalta | no question for me | 13:49 |
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| jftalta | can we move to the open discussion ? | 13:50 |
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| ujuc | yes | 13:50 |
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| ianychoi | hello | 13:51 |
| ianychoi | zzxwill, sorry.. I changed to my original laptop :) | 13:51 |
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| Daisy | It's a good question. I'm not able to answer. I suggest you to check the translation progresses of zh_CN documents at first, figure out which documents you want to add to the Chinese main page. And then send email to ML and ask for the links. I think Andreas should know that. | 13:51 |
| ianychoi | zzxwill, I think your question is nice. Yep I can find them. I will let you know :) | 13:51 |
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| Daisy | ianychoi: zzxwill is asking how he can get the links of translated documents. | 13:51 |
| jftalta | ianychoi : you're welcome ;) | 13:51 |
| zzxwill | Got it, I will follow the suggestion. Thank you Daisy. | 13:51 |
| ianychoi | #action ianychoi will find zh_CN documents and tell zzxwill | 13:52 |
| Daisy | Thank you, ianychoi. | 13:52 |
| zzxwill | That's great. Thank you, ianychoi. | 13:52 |
| ianychoi | Daisy, it's my pleasure :) | 13:52 |
| ianychoi | zzxwill, np :) | 13:52 |
| ianychoi | Then.. let's move on open discussion | 13:52 |
| zzxwill | no more question, please go ahead, jftalta. | 13:52 |
| jftalta | ok | 13:52 |
| jftalta | #topic open discussion | 13:53 |
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| ianychoi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-i18n/2016-October/002524.html | 13:53 |
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| ianychoi | Cloud Suhartono is Indonesian translator and he contributed the most during last Cycle | 13:53 |
| ianychoi | I think he really wants to participate in IRC meeting but it seems that he is unfamiliar with IRC meeting protocols.. | 13:54 |
| Daisy | :) | 13:54 |
| ianychoi | Using IRC is too difficult for translators? | 13:54 |
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| eumel8 | sometimes, yes | 13:54 |
| tinwood | hi, may I ask a quick question about where the generic driver tries to launch an instance? It seems to be on the same machine as the manila-share service? | 13:54 |
| Daisy | I'm fine. I use ChatZilla, a firefox plugin. | 13:55 |
| jftalta | and sometimes, no | 13:55 |
| ianychoi | tinwood, sorry we are having internationalization meeting now. | 13:55 |
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| tinwood | sorry for noise/wrong room | 13:55 |
| ianychoi | I think now it will be great opportunity to find out what is difficult thing for new translators to particpate in I18n team | 13:55 |
| ujuc | I using thunderbird. | 13:56 |
| jftalta | only 4 minutes remaining | 13:56 |
| eumel8 | we had this IBM guys for translation last year and they never heard about IRC ;) | 13:56 |
| ianychoi | jftalta, yep .. T.T | 13:56 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, that's a pity.. I think IRC is very important | 13:56 |
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| eumel8 | ianychoi: I added this point to the Barcelona agenda | 13:56 |
| Daisy | eumel8: IRC may be popular for developers, may be not for translators. | 13:56 |
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| jftalta | +1 | 13:56 |
| ianychoi | But although some language teams will not come to IRC, I think I have some missions to ask them by e-mail.. | 13:57 |
| jftalta | communication tools is a real issue | 13:57 |
| ujuc | i aggre. | 13:57 |
| Daisy | ianychoi: I think if there is web client for IRC, that can lower the barrier to join. | 13:57 |
| ianychoi | And another question... now I am writing too much e-mails on i18n mailing list. | 13:57 |
| ianychoi | Is it okay for all? | 13:57 |
| eumel8 | sorry, have to leave to catch the train. cu next week :) | 13:57 |
| ianychoi | Daisy, https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/I18nTeamMeeting | 13:57 |
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| jftalta | bye eumel8 | 13:57 |
| ianychoi | I added the link to join #openstack-i18n channel | 13:57 |
| jftalta | ok | 13:58 |
| ianychoi | #link http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=openstack-i18n,openstack-meeting | 13:58 |
| Daisy | yeah, I see, ianychoi. | 13:58 |
| jftalta | thx ianychoi | 13:58 |
| Daisy | The first tool I used to try IRC is this website. | 13:58 |
| ianychoi | jftalta, thank you very much for running today IRC meeting! | 13:58 |
| Daisy | Thank you, jftalta | 13:59 |
| jftalta | my pleasure :) | 13:59 |
| ianychoi | And thank you all for today partipation. | 13:59 |
| ianychoi | If you have more discussion, let's move on | 13:59 |
| ianychoi | #openstack-i18n channel. | 13:59 |
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| Daisy | Thank you all. | 13:59 |
| zzxwill | Thank you, bye. | 13:59 |
| ujuc | Thank you all :) bye. | 13:59 |
| jftalta | good bye everyone. See you in Barcelona ! | 13:59 |
| Daisy | bye. | 13:59 |
| ianychoi | Bye all! :) | 13:59 |
| ianychoi | #endmeeting | 14:00 |
| ianychoi | jftalta, please #endmeeting | 14:00 |
| jftalta | sorry... | 14:00 |
| jftalta | #endmeeting | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 13 14:00:24 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2016/openstack_i18n_meeting.2016-10-13-13.01.html | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2016/openstack_i18n_meeting.2016-10-13-13.01.txt | 14:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2016/openstack_i18n_meeting.2016-10-13-13.01.log.html | 14:00 |
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| mfedosin | Courtesy meeting reminder ( #openstack-meeting ): ativelkov, mfedosin, docaedo, dshakhray, kairat, sskripnick, nikhil | 15:59 |
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| mfedosin | dshakhray: hey :) | 16:01 |
| mfedosin | let's wait 5 minutes for other folks | 16:01 |
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| dshakhray | helllo!) | 16:04 |
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| dshakhray | I forgot that the meeting today.. | 16:05 |
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| mfedosin | yeah :) | 16:05 |
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| mfedosin | I think since there are not so many people here we can skip it | 16:06 |
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| dshakhray | Probably, yeah | 16:07 |
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| oomichi | #startmeeting qa | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 13 17:00:13 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oomichi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 17:00 |
| oomichi | hello, who are here today? | 17:00 |
| DavidPurcell | o/ hello | 17:00 |
| rodrigods | o/ | 17:01 |
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| mtreinish | o/ | 17:01 |
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| oomichi | thanks for attending. OK, let's start meeting | 17:01 |
| oomichi | #link #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Agenda_for_October_13th_2016_.281700_UTC.29 | 17:01 |
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| oomichi | ^^^ is today agenda | 17:02 |
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| oomichi | #topic Next Summit | 17:02 |
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| oomichi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-qa-summit-topics | 17:02 |
| oomichi | We wrote some ideas for the summit on ^^^ | 17:02 |
| oomichi | and we need to select 7 slots for that | 17:02 |
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| oomichi | I arranged the order of proposals for my feeling | 17:03 |
| oomichi | I feel top 3 seems good for discussion on the summit. | 17:03 |
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| oomichi | 1) policy testing | 17:03 |
| oomichi | 2) plugins: roadmap for .. | 17:04 |
| oomichi | 3) What's missing in Tempest | 17:04 |
| oomichi | and if adding os-faults under QA, that also seems good to discuss at the summit | 17:04 |
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| oomichi | Do we have more topics needed to be added ? | 17:05 |
| oomichi | or do you have some session needed to be discussed strongly? | 17:05 |
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| oomichi | ok, it will be nice to discuss more later at this time. | 17:07 |
| oomichi | #topic Specs reviews | 17:07 |
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| mtreinish | oomichi: there is a ml thread about a devstack plugin for extra packages that might be a good topic too | 17:08 |
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| mtreinish | oomichi: you probably should talk to tonyb about it | 17:08 |
| oomichi | mtreinish: thanks,, that is "devstack-plugin additional-pkg-repos: ocata summit working session?" | 17:08 |
| mtreinish | oomichi: yeah | 17:09 |
| oomichi | ok, I will catch tonyb | 17:09 |
| mtreinish | it's not a qa project yet (although it probably would be a good one) but I think that might be a good use of a session slot | 17:09 |
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| oomichi | I put it on the etherpad | 17:10 |
| oomichi | at line 39 | 17:10 |
| oomichi | mtreinish: thanks for bring it up | 17:11 |
| oomichi | going back to the spec | 17:11 |
| mtreinish | oomichi: it's probably worth just chiming in on the ml thread | 17:11 |
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| oomichi | mtreinish: yeah, will reply on the ml | 17:12 |
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| oomichi | but I need to read the thread much before that ;) | 17:12 |
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| oomichi | we have a new qa-spec #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/382672/ | 17:13 |
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| oomichi | I heard this kind of test requirement before | 17:13 |
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| oomichi | RBAC policy testing seems for developers and operators | 17:14 |
| rj2083 | in particular large operators | 17:14 |
| rj2083 | :) | 17:14 |
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| oomichi | rj2083: hehe, totally | 17:15 |
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| rj2083 | it's really useful for large ops teams to be able to granularly add more roles, but sometimes the way the code is structured in the services, the policy.jsons lie | 17:15 |
| oomichi | rj2083: yeah, I heard this kind of request from big operators | 17:15 |
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| mtreinish | so my issue with this spec (which I -1d on in the previous rev) is that this is scope creep if we add testing to tempest directly | 17:16 |
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| oomichi | rj2083: they just want to verify the policy.json works fine as they expected? | 17:16 |
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| rj2083 | oomichi: basically yes, and if changing the policy.json for one role breaks something for another | 17:17 |
| mtreinish | I think it's totally fair to add util functions to tempest.lib to make writing rbac tests using other tempest.lib pieces like the clients and cred providers (in the near future) easier | 17:17 |
| mtreinish | but we don't want tempest owning any test code to handle an rbac scenario because that is inherently not compatible across clouds | 17:17 |
| oomichi | mtreinish: yeah, good point. it is nice to reuse these library of tempest | 17:18 |
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| rj2083 | in the case of the admin roles, the permissions in each service, even the actions as defiend in the policy.jsons don't actually work in some cases | 17:18 |
| mtreinish | which is the dicussion we had before when ryan was first starting the cinnamon role work | 17:18 |
| rj2083 | i agree 100%, the tempest code should be re-usable | 17:18 |
| rj2083 | but i think security and rbac can't be an after thought and tempest tests should be integrated with rbac in a loosely coupled fashion | 17:18 |
| mtreinish | rj2083: there is no such thing as loosely coupled. If the test code lives in tempest we have to own it which means running it | 17:19 |
| mtreinish | and custom policy is inherently something we can't do that on, because it's a custom deployment change | 17:20 |
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| rj2083 | i mean loosley coupled in the sense of not dictating a specific policy.json implementation tightly | 17:20 |
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| mtreinish | rj2083: well where tempest does that it's a community interop thing | 17:20 |
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| mtreinish | those are teh definitions of minimum things to maintain interop between clouds | 17:21 |
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| mtreinish | if deployers want to configure things to make it more involved than that it's fine, but if that causes tempest to break, then you've broken end user expecations | 17:21 |
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| rj2083 | sure, but i think by limiting the flexibiltiy of the framework to two specific roles, that inherently limits the usefulness of tempest | 17:22 |
| oomichi | yeah, deployers can custome policy.json as they want because of just configuration file | 17:22 |
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| oomichi | it is nice to keep tempest minimum on the policy testing | 17:22 |
| rj2083 | oomichi: for some roles yes, for admin roles, in most services the answer is no | 17:22 |
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| rj2083 | but i think that clouds the issue | 17:23 |
| rj2083 | the spec in itself wouldn't really break tempest | 17:23 |
| oomichi | rj2083: some normal users APIs are not available on some clouds and they want to change policy.json to controll these APIs from users | 17:23 |
| mtreinish | rj2083: it's more than just 2 roles. But, that's what I'm saying is this is the bare minimum definition needed to work across all clouds | 17:23 |
| rj2083 | and i think adding the ability for large operators to test their roles doesnt inherently break end user expecations | 17:23 |
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| mtreinish | rj2083: no but you're asking for tempest to own a new type of testing which we explicitly don't want it to be in | 17:23 |
| mtreinish | rj2083: I'm fine with the spec when it's just adding interfaces and utils to tempest.lib | 17:24 |
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| rj2083 | ahh i see | 17:24 |
| mtreinish | but when it starts discussing adding sample tests and new classes of testing to tempest (not lib) that's outside the scope of what tempest is | 17:24 |
| rj2083 | i can agree to that | 17:24 |
| mtreinish | this is the whole reason cinnamon role was implemented as a plugin | 17:24 |
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| rj2083 | in some cases however, the tempest tests do multiple policy actions at once and it's not inherently overridable by a decorator | 17:25 |
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| oomichi | rj2083: yeah, that is a nice point. some negative tests do that directly | 17:26 |
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| rj2083 | oomichi: that's the basic problem we hit | 17:26 |
| rj2083 | the approach itself and even some of the positive tests did stuff like that | 17:27 |
| oomichi | rj2083: how about just skipping such tests on running Tempest ;) | 17:27 |
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| rj2083 | hahah that's one way :) but our customers don't like that | 17:27 |
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| rj2083 | and we'd prefer to use the upstream tests as closely as possible | 17:28 |
| mtreinish | rj2083: do you have an example to link to? | 17:28 |
| oomichi | rj2083: ok, they are strict on QA | 17:28 |
| rj2083 | it's not perfect, pretty rough, please be gentle :) https://github.com/DavidPurcellATT/TempestRbacDemo/tree/master/tempest/api | 17:28 |
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| mtreinish | because there should be sufficient wiggle room in tempest config to enable using different roles but still conform to the basic interop rules we're trying to enforce | 17:29 |
| rj2083 | https://github.com/DavidPurcellATT/TempestRbacDemo/blob/master/tempest/api/compute/rbac/test_services_rbac.py | 17:29 |
| rj2083 | mtreinish: that's 100% all i need | 17:29 |
| rj2083 | :) | 17:29 |
| mtreinish | and if there isn't it might be your rbac rules are too restrictive | 17:29 |
| rj2083 | that would make me the happiest person in the world | 17:29 |
| oomichi | #link https://github.com/DavidPurcellATT/TempestRbacDemo/tree/master/tempest/api | 17:29 |
| rj2083 | that and a puppy | 17:29 |
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| rj2083 | oh my apoligies on the tags i'm using as i put this in the chat | 17:30 |
| rj2083 | #link https://github.com/DavidPurcellATT/TempestRbacDemo/tree/master/tempest/common/rbac | 17:30 |
| rj2083 | ^^ that's the framework we modified | 17:30 |
| mtreinish | rj2083: no I'm saying there are config options to tell tempest to use specific roles for action types already | 17:30 |
| DavidPurcell | It is a very rough version of our RBAC testing framework that I ported to master (was written for kilo originally). Very much a WIP. | 17:31 |
| mtreinish | which should enable you to run the tests with more finely grained rbac | 17:31 |
| rj2083 | yes... we tried that, but some of the setup requires pre existing metadata that you can't create as the role you put in the settings | 17:31 |
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| mtreinish | rj2083: that's why I was asking for the example test (in tempest) you're having an issue with | 17:32 |
| oomichi | mtreinish: I guess tempest doesn't have such config options to controll policy rules | 17:32 |
| mtreinish | but we can discuss this after the meeting | 17:32 |
| rj2083 | yep that's cool :) | 17:32 |
| oomichi | that is hard-coded in tests | 17:32 |
| oomichi | yeah, that is a nice because of the time | 17:32 |
| mtreinish | oomichi: it doesn't because we don't want to test policy since it's always custom | 17:32 |
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| mtreinish | oomichi: we have a couple predefined user types which are there for interop user type separation | 17:33 |
| oomichi | mtreinish: yeah, and that should be minimum on tests | 17:33 |
| rj2083 | i know that's a general good guideline but there's tests or lines of openstack code where where stuff is hardcoded to a role | 17:33 |
| mtreinish | and the roles used for those are customizable | 17:33 |
| mtreinish | but anything more fine grained or specific tempest shouldn't be directly testing | 17:33 |
| oomichi | ok, let's move on the next topic if we can | 17:34 |
| rj2083 | k | 17:34 |
| oomichi | #topic Tempest | 17:34 |
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| oomichi | I feel we have already much discussions about that ;) | 17:34 |
| rj2083 | hahah | 17:34 |
| DavidPurcell | haha | 17:35 |
| oomichi | does someone have topics about Tempest today? | 17:35 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest+branch:master+topic:lib-tenant-isolation | 17:35 |
| mtreinish | that's my working branch to add dynamic creds to lib | 17:35 |
| oomichi | mtreinish: oh, that all is green now. nice work :) | 17:36 |
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| mtreinish | it's not done yet, I still need to figure out the best final interface for it in lib | 17:36 |
| mtreinish | like andreaf and I were discussing trying to split out the network allocation | 17:36 |
| oomichi | mtreinish: then, that means you don't push the final patch for the pupose yet? | 17:36 |
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| mtreinish | but the patches up now are some necessary groundwork to cleanup some of the config usage, etc | 17:36 |
| mtreinish | oomichi: I still need to cleanup the client manager usage (since it depends on non-lib code right now) | 17:37 |
| mtreinish | and then all the prereqs are done | 17:37 |
| mtreinish | but I might want to change the interface to make it a bit cleaner for lib | 17:37 |
| oomichi | yeah, most patches are not difficult and make the code clean and easy | 17:37 |
| oomichi | I prefer that | 17:38 |
| oomichi | ok, do someone have another topic about Tempest | 17:38 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/371612/ | 17:39 |
| mtreinish | that's a good deprecation to land before the liberty eol | 17:39 |
| oomichi | mtreinish: when is the liberty eol? | 17:39 |
| oomichi | ah, 2016-11-17 | 17:40 |
| oomichi | according to #link https://releases.openstack.org/ | 17:40 |
| oomichi | ok, I will see it before that | 17:41 |
| tosky | do you plan major tags before liberty-eol, or immediately after? | 17:41 |
| oomichi | mtreinish: +2 | 17:41 |
| oomichi | tosky: we put major tags on each end of cycle(recently, newton) | 17:42 |
| oomichi | not eol | 17:42 |
| mtreinish | tosky: there will be a tag to mark the liberty eol | 17:42 |
| mtreinish | oomichi: no we tag eol too | 17:42 |
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| oomichi | mtreinish: on master Tempest? | 17:42 |
| mtreinish | oomichi: yes | 17:42 |
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| mtreinish | tosky: there might be tags between now and then, but that depends on whether we land anything worth pushing it | 17:43 |
| mtreinish | oomichi: look at the git history | 17:43 |
| tosky | ack, thanks | 17:43 |
| oomichi | mtreinish: yeah, I should. sorry for making confusions | 17:43 |
| mtreinish | oomichi: or read the docs: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/tempest/overview.html#release-versioning | 17:43 |
| oomichi | mtreinish: thanks, that means we need to put 2 tags on each release, right? | 17:44 |
| oomichi | s/tags/major tags/ | 17:44 |
| mtreinish | oomichi: I'm not following your question | 17:44 |
| mtreinish | oomichi: we push one tag to mark the start of a release, and a 2nd to mark when it goes eol | 17:45 |
| oomichi | mtreinish: yeah, that is I want to know | 17:45 |
| mtreinish | that ends up being about 2 tags every 6 months (but that's assuming the same stable branch life for all branches) | 17:45 |
| oomichi | yes, I know that today :) | 17:46 |
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| oomichi | ok, do we have more topics about Tempest? | 17:46 |
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| oomichi | or lets move on the next topic | 17:47 |
| oomichi | #topic devstack + grenade | 17:47 |
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| oomichi | do we have more topics about them? | 17:47 |
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| oomichi | #topic openstack-health | 17:48 |
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| oomichi | do we have more topics about o-h today? | 17:48 |
| timothyb89 | the canvas charts should be ready for review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/363934/9 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/380884/1 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/380885/1 | 17:48 |
| timothyb89 | full example is available at http://logs.openstack.org/85/380885/1/check/gate-openstack-health-nodejs4-npm-run-test/9d90c2d/reports/build/#/ | 17:48 |
| mtreinish | timothyb89: ok, cool I'll try to take a look soon | 17:48 |
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| oomichi | good, thanks for bring them up | 17:49 |
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| oomichi | ok, lets move on | 17:49 |
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| oomichi | #topic critical review | 17:49 |
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| oomichi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/363934 | 17:49 |
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| oomichi | do we have more patches? | 17:50 |
| oomichi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest+branch:master+topic:lib-tenant-isolation | 17:50 |
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| oomichi | #topic Open Discussion | 17:51 |
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| oomichi | I'd like to put some topic for that. | 17:51 |
| oomichi | now we are seeing some new proposals related to QA | 17:52 |
| oomichi | like os-faults, policy testing or something | 17:52 |
| oomichi | it is nice to discuss them on qa-specs before adding, I feel | 17:52 |
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| oomichi | about their scopes and what difference from the existing projects | 17:53 |
| oomichi | do we have some ideas or opinions about that? | 17:53 |
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| oomichi | in os-faults case, it just requires on -dev ml and gerrit | 17:54 |
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| oomichi | if no problem, I will discuss on -dev ml later. | 17:55 |
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| oomichi | do we have more topics today? | 17:55 |
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| oomichi | ok, lets end this meeting today. Thank you all :) | 17:56 |
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| oomichi | #endmeeting | 17:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 13 17:56:44 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:56 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2016/qa.2016-10-13-17.00.html | 17:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2016/qa.2016-10-13-17.00.txt | 17:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2016/qa.2016-10-13-17.00.log.html | 17:56 |
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| rtheis | #startmeeting networking_ovn | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 13 18:00:04 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rtheis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_ovn)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_ovn' | 18:00 |
| rtheis | hi | 18:00 |
| rtheis | let's get started | 18:01 |
| rtheis | #topic Announcements | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: networking_ovn)" | 18:01 | |
| rtheis | There is an OVN launch party at the summit, sponsored by VMware. Contact russellb if interested in attending. | 18:01 |
| rtheis | I don't have other announcements | 18:01 |
| rtheis | #topic Bugs | 18:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: networking_ovn)" | 18:02 | |
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| rtheis | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/networking-ovn/+bug/1632971 | 18:02 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1632971 in networking-ovn "neutron-ovn-db-sync-util fails" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Numan Siddique (numansiddique) | 18:02 |
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| rtheis | numans has a fix for sync: https://review.openstack.org/386016 | 18:02 |
| rtheis | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/networking-ovn/+bug/1629099 | 18:03 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1629099 in networking-ovn "OVS transaction mutate clears column data within transaction" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Richard Theis (rtheis) | 18:03 |
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| rtheis | amitabha has an ovs idl fix in review | 18:03 |
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| rtheis | But networking-ovn will need a python ovs 2.6.1 release in order to use it. Is there a plan for such a release? | 18:04 |
| rtheis | russellb: do you know ^^^ | 18:04 |
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| numans | hi | 18:04 |
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| rtheis | hi | 18:04 |
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| rtheis | numans: do you know if there'll be an ovs 2.6.1 release in the near future? | 18:05 |
| numans | rtheis, not sure. russellb would be the right person i guess to answer this | 18:05 |
| rtheis | looking of python ovs fixes | 18:05 |
| rtheis | ack | 18:05 |
| rtheis | I'll follow-up with him | 18:06 |
| numans | the ovs idl fix is merged | 18:06 |
| numans | ? | 18:06 |
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| rtheis | I don't think it merged yet | 18:06 |
| numans | ok | 18:06 |
| rtheis | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/networking-ovn/+bug/1622647 | 18:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1622647 in networking-ovn "Move OpenStack requirements to ovs 2.6.0" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Richard Theis (rtheis) | 18:06 |
| rtheis | Want to discuss questions brought up in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/380493/ | 18:06 |
| rtheis | We currently install ovs python via pip requirements on both stable/newton and master | 18:07 |
| rtheis | ovs itself is compiled and installed from a particular branch | 18:07 |
| rtheis | on stable/newton we will use branch-2.6 | 18:08 |
| rtheis | on master, we are using master | 18:08 |
| rtheis | question 1: should we continue using ovs master on networking-ovn master? | 18:08 |
| rtheis | question 2: should we install ovs python on same branch as ovs itself? | 18:09 |
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| rtheis | thoughts? | 18:09 |
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| rtheis | we can take this to networking-ovn | 18:10 |
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| rtheis | I'll reach out to folks after the meeting | 18:11 |
| rtheis | #topic Reviews | 18:11 |
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| numans | rtheis, i think ovs master with networking-ovn would be better | 18:11 |
| rtheis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/346646/ | 18:11 |
| rtheis | #undo | 18:11 |
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| rtheis | numans thanks, russellb was in favor of that too | 18:12 |
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| numans | ok | 18:12 |
| rtheis | should we keep ovs python pulled via pip requirements? | 18:12 |
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| numans | for master ? | 18:13 |
| rtheis | both master and stable/newton | 18:13 |
| rtheis | we are doing that for both today | 18:13 |
| numans | right. | 18:13 |
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| numans | i would prefer ovs master with master as it is easy to pull up the fixes | 18:14 |
| numans | and use ovs python pulled for stable | 18:14 |
| numans | via pip requirements | 18:14 |
| rtheis | that sounds good to me | 18:15 |
| rtheis | just want to make sure we can get point release fixes | 18:15 |
| numans | you mean to get new release for ovs in case of fixes ? | 18:15 |
| rtheis | yes, new ovs python | 18:15 |
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| numans | i think it should be possible | 18:16 |
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| rtheis | cool | 18:16 |
| rtheis | we'll go with that for now | 18:16 |
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| numans | cool | 18:16 |
| rtheis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/346646/ | 18:16 |
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| rtheis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/326964/ | 18:16 |
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| rtheis | a couple reviews to focus on for new features | 18:17 |
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| numans | review 346646 needs a rebase | 18:17 |
| rtheis | yeah | 18:17 |
| rtheis | and a release note cleanup | 18:17 |
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| rtheis | I'm going to try to review DHCPv6 patch tomorrow | 18:17 |
| numans | rtheis, thanks. | 18:18 |
| rtheis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/383912/ | 18:18 |
| rtheis | There is an assessment of networking-ovn for neutron stadium. | 18:18 |
| rtheis | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-October/105276.html | 18:18 |
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| rtheis | please review to make sure we've captured the assessment correctly | 18:19 |
| numans | rtheis, ack | 18:19 |
| rtheis | thanks numans | 18:19 |
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| rtheis | that's all I have for bugs and reviews | 18:19 |
| rtheis | anything else? | 18:19 |
| rtheis | #topic Open Discussion | 18:20 |
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| numans | nothing from me | 18:20 |
| rtheis | Reminder to add summit topics to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/networking-ovn-ocata-summit | 18:20 |
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| rtheis | And we'll cancel the meeting during the summit week | 18:20 |
| rtheis | that's all I have | 18:20 |
| rtheis | numas: anything else? | 18:21 |
| numans | rtheis, nothing | 18:21 |
| rtheis | sounds good | 18:21 |
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| rtheis | thanks | 18:21 |
| rtheis | #endmeeting | 18:21 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 13 18:21:28 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:21 |
| numans | thanks | 18:21 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ovn/2016/networking_ovn.2016-10-13-18.00.html | 18:21 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ovn/2016/networking_ovn.2016-10-13-18.00.txt | 18:21 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ovn/2016/networking_ovn.2016-10-13-18.00.log.html | 18:21 |
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| dtroyer | heyo, anyone here for OSC? | 19:02 |
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| stevemar | o/ | 19:06 |
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| stevemar | dtroyer: got distracted, back again | 19:07 |
| dtroyer | just us so far… | 19:07 |
| stevemar | yeah, small crowd | 19:07 |
| dtroyer | I'm double booked, if its really just us, let's reconvene in -sdks in a while…was just going to talk about summit stuff and I'm (oficially) out next week | 19:09 |
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| stevemar | dtroyer: fine with me | 19:13 |
| stevemar | dtroyer: you know what i'm working on | 19:13 |
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| greghaynes | Any DIB folks here? | 20:01 |
| cinerama | o/ | 20:01 |
| pabelanger | yes | 20:01 |
| ianw | hello | 20:01 |
| greghaynes | who wants to run it this time... | 20:01 |
| cinerama | looks like you :) | 20:01 |
| ianw | even managed to negotiate daylight savings time | 20:01 |
| greghaynes | wow | 20:01 |
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| greghaynes | #startmeeting diskimage-builder | 20:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 13 20:01:38 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is greghaynes. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'diskimage_builder' | 20:01 |
| greghaynes | cool, so theres an ageneda \O/ | 20:01 |
| greghaynes | #topic images for CI | 20:02 |
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| greghaynes | ianw: You probably know what this is about | 20:02 |
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| ianw | so i started looking into this, as imgae download is one of the big failure points | 20:02 |
| ianw | but guess what, it's harder than i thought :) | 20:02 |
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| greghaynes | ah, so its about the images we use in our CI | 20:03 |
| greghaynes | fun | 20:03 |
| ianw | of course we could just keep a static list of images to pre-download ... but that's going to go stale quickly | 20:03 |
| cinerama | mm | 20:03 |
| greghaynes | We cant have a set of env vars that override where we grab images from? | 20:03 |
| ianw | but then i didn't really come up with a clean way to extract that info automatically, since everyone does it a bit different | 20:03 |
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| pabelanger | Is there an example image that is failing? | 20:04 |
| ianw | fedora one is very unreliable | 20:04 |
| greghaynes | Im thinking that most the image based distros should support something like a DIB_{DISTRO}_BASEIMAGE_URL | 20:04 |
| greghaynes | and then we set them in CI | 20:04 |
| ianw | so that bit's fine, but how do we figure out what images to cache? | 20:04 |
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| pabelanger | So, I have been meaning to get up a fedora mirror, like we have for centos-7. I wonder if that would get images that are needed? | 20:04 |
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| ianw | pabelanger: it's the cloud images, so separate | 20:05 |
| pabelanger | URL? | 20:05 |
| greghaynes | ah. I think that will have to be a separate thing. I think we want to cache all the ones we use in CI (sorry super vague) but thatll end up being ubntu/fedora/debian cloudimages | 20:05 |
| ianw | in devstack, we have the ability to get a canonical list of image urls to download | 20:05 |
| greghaynes | so a cron in infra that updates a url | 20:05 |
| ianw | tools/image_list.sh | 20:06 |
| greghaynes | oh, neat | 20:06 |
| ianw | my thought first thought is that we make each element add another file of "images required for this element" | 20:06 |
| clarkb | the only problem with going that route is our images are about 21GB uncompressed last I looked. A lot of this is git repos (I actually need to see about not caching the debian repos that are a copy of everything) but those cloud iamges are fairly big too | 20:07 |
| ianw | but ... most of the elements downloading images actually do it with a bunch of variable expansion in the name | 20:07 |
| greghaynes | right, we can make source-repositories work for that | 20:07 |
| pabelanger | Ya, was going to say, the devstack image cache doesn't scale well | 20:07 |
| ianw | clarkb: yeah ... i'm thinking putting them on mirrors | 20:07 |
| greghaynes | clarkb: oh were talking about the upstream images - so the ubuntu cloudimage for example | 20:07 |
| ianw | but i still need a mirror-update type script | 20:07 |
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| greghaynes | clarkb: or are you saying our images are alerady too large to add stuff in to? | 20:08 |
| clarkb | greghaynes: ya but you are talking about caching them somewhere right? just pointing out the devstack method isn't so great | 20:08 |
| pabelanger | it wouldn't be to hard to update the current rsync scripts we use for centos I think | 20:08 |
| clarkb | putting them on the mirrors would be great | 20:08 |
| greghaynes | ah, IMO we'd want to put them on somewhere like taballs.o.o | 20:08 |
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| greghaynes | yea | 20:08 |
| ianw | clarkb: yeah, for this, having on local mirrors would be fine | 20:08 |
| ianw | that's what i meant by "caching" i guess :0 | 20:08 |
| clarkb | gotcha ++ | 20:08 |
| greghaynes | clarkb: so is it preferred that theres a static list of images to keep on the mirrors or for a script to call out to dib that provides infra with the list of images? | 20:09 |
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| greghaynes | one potential issue I could see with the latter is I imagine infra might want to have some control over what it mirrors | 20:09 |
| ianw | greghaynes: it would have to be a mirror-update type script ... how we do it doesn't matter so much | 20:09 |
| clarkb | I think its fine to let dib manage it until that stops working | 20:09 |
| ianw | python script/shell script, etc | 20:09 |
| greghaynes | ok | 20:09 |
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| greghaynes | ianw: so how about short term we can just statically print out a list from a script in dib (tets/get-test-images.sh or something, similar to devstack) | 20:10 |
| greghaynes | and then that gives us the interface to make a proper solution | 20:10 |
| greghaynes | while unwedging our CI in the meantime | 20:10 |
| ianw | greghaynes: yes, that's my thought ... but how do we get the list? | 20:10 |
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| greghaynes | just hard code it | 20:10 |
| greghaynes | we do have a static list of images we use for a full test run | 20:11 |
| ianw | we do? i mean, that's the important bit | 20:11 |
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| greghaynes | so im thinking that well need to make e.g. fedora use the mirrored image. We'll have to set an env var at a minimum for the mirror'ed url and at the same time we add a image url to the image list script | 20:12 |
| ianw | ok, you're right anyway, i've spent too much time trying to make a fancy generic solution ... something is going to be better than nothing | 20:12 |
| ianw | i can take on making a script to get the image list, and then getting something to put it on an infra mirror | 20:13 |
| greghaynes | Yea, I think extending source-repositories might end up being the correct long term way but its going to be a lot of work I think | 20:13 |
| greghaynes | sweet | 20:13 |
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| ianw | ok, on the infra side, if we make it sort of sensible interface, other projects that require images they download could hook into it | 20:13 |
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| greghaynes | ++ | 20:13 |
| pabelanger | is https://muug.ca/mirror/fedora/linux/releases/24/CloudImages/x86_64/images/ the images in question? | 20:14 |
| ianw | for example, if we knew to run "tools/get-images.sh" in a repo, then we could do that on all interested repos, "uniq" the list and then download that | 20:14 |
| greghaynes | pabelanger: that looks right. we have a url like that for fedora, ubuntu, and debian | 20:14 |
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| greghaynes | ianw: SGTM | 20:14 |
| pabelanger | okay, so if we mirror fedora, they would get pulled in. | 20:14 |
| pabelanger | ianw: I can help with the mirror script | 20:15 |
| ianw | pabelanger: yep, fedora mirror bounces you around ... there's one in .nl that is particularly bad | 20:15 |
| pabelanger | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/system-config/tree/modules/openstack_project/files/mirror/centos-mirror-update.sh | 20:15 |
| pabelanger | could be updated for fedora too | 20:15 |
| pabelanger | or copied | 20:15 |
| ianw | ok, cool. yeah, pkg mirrors are the next thing to figure out after these images | 20:16 |
| ianw | they also fail a lot | 20:16 |
| greghaynes | right, that would be huge | 20:16 |
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| pabelanger | Ya, been on the list for a while | 20:16 |
| ianw | i think we decided "one var to control mirror location" was a bit of an anti-pattern, because each build type has different mirrors at different points | 20:16 |
| greghaynes | I started work on a patch for how we could set those mirrors but never finished it | 20:16 |
| greghaynes | right | 20:16 |
| ianw | so i feel like we can tackle that on a element-by-element (or build by build) type approach | 20:17 |
| greghaynes | ++ | 20:17 |
| greghaynes | ok, anything else on that topic/ | 20:17 |
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| ianw | action items? | 20:17 |
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| ianw | #action ianw to make static list of images to download | 20:18 |
| greghaynes | can you make actions as a non-chair? | 20:18 |
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| greghaynes | #action ianw to make static list of images to download | 20:18 |
| greghaynes | in case you cant | 20:18 |
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| greghaynes | #action pabelanger to help with infra script to mirror images list | 20:19 |
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| greghaynes | #topic ansible patch | 20:19 |
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| greghaynes | pabelanger: ^ | 20:19 |
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| greghaynes | or is this for ianw | 20:19 |
| pabelanger | either is fine | 20:19 |
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| ianw | yeah, i see we've discussed it in #dib | 20:19 |
| pabelanger | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/385608/ is the patch in question | 20:19 |
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| ianw | my thoughts were pretty much in my comment ... around how we make it more integrated | 20:20 |
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| cinerama | i have yet to review but i like the idea of eventually generalizing things | 20:20 |
| greghaynes | ianw: yea, so I think this should work fine in element | 20:20 |
| pabelanger | So, I could go both ways, how it exists today. Or maybe implement some sort of generic hook to run something outside the chroot | 20:20 |
| greghaynes | ianw: basically we'd have to make a way to write a 'runner plugin' that lets you run plays in the chroot | 20:21 |
| greghaynes | but that seems doable | 20:21 |
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| ianw | it's also, i guess, fair enough that you want to use existing playbook and just apply it | 20:22 |
| ianw | that's kind of analogous to the infra puppet element | 20:22 |
| greghaynes | for that case I think you could do this as an element, where I think itll get tricky is when you only want to run the playbook at a certain point in the build | 20:22 |
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| greghaynes | e.g. you could use extra-data.d or cleanup.d to do this pretty easily, but if you want to run during install.d theres no way to do that | 20:23 |
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| pabelanger | Right, the idea would be to take existing playbooks just apply them. Outside of building up a dib element to run them | 20:23 |
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| greghaynes | hrm, and actually it looksl like this just runs at finalise.d time basically | 20:23 |
| pabelanger | but ya, I haven't tested extra-data.d yet | 20:23 |
| pabelanger | something I want too try | 20:23 |
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| greghaynes | so IMO I think we should try and nail down the interface we want for this more than anything else | 20:24 |
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| greghaynes | and as for how it gets implemented its not the biggest deal | 20:25 |
| cinerama | +1 | 20:25 |
| ianw | yep, if we're happy having ansible run in just one phase, then i think i can be done in an element in finalise.d? | 20:25 |
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| ianw | if we want anyone to be able to drop an ansible playbook in as basically a peer to a script in an element ... that involves a new runner | 20:25 |
| greghaynes | for teh interface I think we want what ianw was mentioning - something in elements. So im thinkgin element/ansible/finalise.d... | 20:25 |
| ianw | yeah, that would be basically an ansible peer to dib-run-parts then? | 20:25 |
| greghaynes | yep | 20:26 |
| pabelanger | quick question | 20:26 |
| pabelanger | this means we can still run ansible-playbook outside chroot right? | 20:26 |
| pabelanger | when I hear elements, I think inside chroot | 20:26 |
| ianw | well, it's more what phases of the elements run inside or outside | 20:27 |
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| greghaynes | pabelanger: yes, youll probably have to implement it similar to how you did (by hacking on the actual dib script) but from there you can just run ansible outside the chroot | 20:27 |
| ianw | pabelanger: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/diskimage-builder/developer/developing_elements.html#phase-subdirectories <- goes through which ones are inside & out | 20:27 |
| pabelanger | okay | 20:27 |
| ianw | i'm not really sure it is that helpful to run ansible outside the chroot? | 20:28 |
| greghaynes | Yea, and I think finalise.d is in chroot, so youll want to have diskimage-builder run ansible from outside the chroot for plays taht run inside the chroot | 20:28 |
| pabelanger | ianw: we don't want ansible installed onto the image | 20:28 |
| greghaynes | exactly | 20:28 |
| pabelanger | that is the reason for using ansible_connection=chroot | 20:28 |
| pabelanger | So, I am not sure finalise.d would work, reading the docs | 20:29 |
| ianw | oh sure, i mean that i'm not sure that you want to use ansible to accomplish things outside the chroot, like cleaning up local filesystem and stuff? | 20:29 |
| ianw | maybe you would, instead of scripts i guess | 20:29 |
| pabelanger | 1 sec | 20:29 |
| greghaynes | ianw: Yea, I think for now we just leave the outside chroot stuff unimplemented | 20:29 |
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| greghaynes | ianw: and if someone wants it implement it | 20:29 |
| pabelanger | http://paste.openstack.org/raw/585654/ | 20:29 |
| pabelanger | is an example if what I'd like to do | 20:29 |
| greghaynes | pabelanger: what im thinking is basically rather than use a single var for playbook in your patch, loop over all playbooks in elements/*/ansible/finalise.d/* | 20:30 |
| pabelanger | which, runs ansible on host, against chroot, before DIB compresses and saves it | 20:30 |
| greghaynes | but otherwise do it exactly like your patch is | 20:30 |
| pabelanger | greghaynes: sure, if we can do that using ansible_connection=chroot, I'm happy with that | 20:30 |
| greghaynes | yep | 20:31 |
| pabelanger | kk | 20:31 |
| ianw | that sounds quite reasonable | 20:31 |
| greghaynes | there will be an asterisk of 'ansible finalise.d plays run after all normal finalise.d plays' but I think that should be fine for a first iteration | 20:31 |
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| ianw | on 2.0 branch, we have nice vars for walking the element list and collecting those playbooks | 20:32 |
| ianw | also, i think ansible becomes a requirements.txt | 20:32 |
| greghaynes | Yea, probably a good idea to use that | 20:32 |
| greghaynes | hrm | 20:33 |
| ianw | and documentation :) | 20:33 |
| greghaynes | thats a good question | 20:33 |
| greghaynes | the problem I have with ansible in requirements is they dont support py3k | 20:33 |
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| cinerama | that's being worked on | 20:33 |
| greghaynes | Yea, but we work on py3k now | 20:33 |
| cinerama | but it's certainly not something that will be available immediately | 20:33 |
| ianw | hmm | 20:34 |
| ianw | there is the pbr optional extras thing | 20:34 |
| greghaynes | Yea, I think thats how well need to do it | 20:34 |
| cinerama | bifrost doesn't do ansible in requirements, we bootstrap it separately | 20:34 |
| cinerama | that sounds good | 20:34 |
| pabelanger | okay, so I'm happy to write code for this, if people want to mentor me | 20:34 |
| cinerama | pabelanger: our operators are standing by at 1-800-#openstack-dib | 20:35 |
| greghaynes | hehe | 20:35 |
| pabelanger | neat | 20:35 |
| greghaynes | Yea I can offer some tips although im pretty oversubscribed ATM | 20:35 |
| ianw | yeah, pabelanger i can point you in the right direction i think | 20:35 |
| greghaynes | awesome | 20:35 |
| pabelanger | neato | 20:35 |
| cinerama | dib is also being looked at for verifying roles in galaxy fwiw | 20:35 |
| greghaynes | \O/ | 20:35 |
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| pabelanger | Ya, if we can solve this issue, I think more people are lined up to start using DIB | 20:36 |
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| greghaynes | Yep, its actually pretty straightforward I think | 20:36 |
| greghaynes | ok | 20:36 |
| greghaynes | #topic Bugs process | 20:37 |
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| greghaynes | I dont have a ton here other than - I went and closed some more bugs and if anyone could help out closing some of the obviously super stale bugs we have itd be helpful | 20:37 |
| greghaynes | theres some that are pretty useful very old ideas | 20:37 |
| cinerama | thanks for that | 20:37 |
| greghaynes | so ive been leaving them | 20:37 |
| cinerama | yeah with those if we want to keep them i guess mark as wishlist | 20:38 |
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| greghaynes | ++ | 20:38 |
| greghaynes | Theres a question about adding a bugs section to the meeting | 20:38 |
| greghaynes | thoughts? | 20:38 |
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| cinerama | probably more useful for talking about newly filed things | 20:39 |
| ianw | if we have nothing else on i guess ... | 20:39 |
| cinerama | and/or ongoing important issues | 20:39 |
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| greghaynes | Yea, triaging incoming bugs is something thatd be useful for | 20:39 |
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| greghaynes | just so people dont feel like they are throwing bugs in to the abyss | 20:39 |
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| cinerama | that's a really good point | 20:39 |
| greghaynes | ok | 20:40 |
| greghaynes | #action greghaynes to add section for incoming bugs to meeting agendas | 20:40 |
| bkero | a bugs section would also be useful in case someone wanted to include one in agenda to bring up here | 20:40 |
| greghaynes | ah yea | 20:40 |
| greghaynes | maybe we should just stop writing bugs | 20:41 |
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| greghaynes | #topic Dib 2.0 | 20:41 |
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| greghaynes | ok, the exciting bit | 20:41 |
| cinerama | \o/ | 20:41 |
| greghaynes | ianw: you probably know the state of this best | 20:41 |
| greghaynes | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/diskimage-builder+branch:feature/v2 | 20:42 |
| ianw | so i think tripleo is legitimately unhappy, i haven't got to the bottom of that | 20:42 |
| greghaynes | uhoh | 20:42 |
| greghaynes | you up for taking on poking them? | 20:42 |
| cinerama | about v2? | 20:42 |
| greghaynes | Yea, their CI failing | 20:42 |
| ianw | yeah, it's on my todo list :) | 20:42 |
| cinerama | ah right | 20:42 |
| greghaynes | #action ianw to work on figuring out why v2 is failing tripleo | 20:43 |
| ianw | it's not the most reliable CI, so i tend to turn a blind eye, but i think it reliably fails | 20:43 |
| greghaynes | gotcha | 20:43 |
| ianw | i've held off merging the huge move everything patch | 20:43 |
| ianw | i need to try the symlink stuff we talked about | 20:43 |
| cinerama | +1 | 20:43 |
| greghaynes | ok. I think the end of that convo was that it actually isnt a big deal to break compat there - folks shouldnt be setting our elements dir in their ELEMENTS_PATH anyhow | 20:44 |
| ianw | i have been out on pto since last time we talked about it so i'll claim that as some excuse :) | 20:44 |
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| ianw | yep, the only thing my minimising my pain when i merge master into the branch | 20:44 |
| cinerama | greghaynes: we should probably add that to docs explicitly because i've definitely seen people doing that anyway | 20:44 |
| ianw | i might do another master merge to v2 at some point soon, just to pull in latest stuff | 20:45 |
| greghaynes | cinerama: yesplz | 20:45 |
| greghaynes | ianw: ah ok | 20:45 |
| cinerama | ianw: master merge sounds good | 20:45 |
| greghaynes | the one other thing, related to what cinerama just said - I want to go through and do a docs refresh before v2 | 20:45 |
| greghaynes | since it seems like docs are one of the places people will likely look to figure out what is new | 20:45 |
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| ianw | so, *maybe* at the next meeting we'd be able to do a -rc release | 20:46 |
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| ianw | a lot of greghaynes deprecation stuff is in but just has to pass CI | 20:46 |
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| greghaynes | ++, if we can get the moving elements and deprection removal stuff merged I'd be up for a -rc | 20:46 |
| cinerama | it'd be good if we sit down and read the docs through with noob hats on (or even ask others to) to see what's missing | 20:46 |
| greghaynes | cinerama: Yea, thats basically what I started trying to do. There was a ton of low hanging bugs | 20:46 |
| * bkero still pretty noob, feel free to point me at docs | 20:47 | |
| cinerama | i should have more review bandwidth soonish | 20:47 |
| ianw | something i've wanted to figure out was how to have the list of elements put a summary line next to each one, maybe put them in a table | 20:47 |
| greghaynes | bkero: yesplz, http://docs.openstack.org/developer/diskimage-builder/ | 20:47 |
| bkero | oh the live docs, I thought you meant things in-review | 20:47 |
| ianw | i'm sure it's possible with enough sphinx magic | 20:47 |
| bkero | I can go through anyway | 20:47 |
| greghaynes | ianw: yea, I really need to find someone who is a sphinx guru | 20:47 |
| greghaynes | ianw: one other thing thatd be huge is if we could read element-deps in to the docs and make links for them | 20:47 |
| cinerama | bkero: i think it would be good to go over it holistically, i know with doc updates it can be easy to go about things piecemeal and miss important stuff | 20:48 |
| cinerama | greghaynes: +1 element doc links | 20:48 |
| ianw | greghaynes: i'm sure i have some hacked up scripts to make .dot files of elements | 20:48 |
| ianw | i did it for all the infra ones | 20:48 |
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| greghaynes | oh nie | 20:48 |
| greghaynes | nice | 20:48 |
| cinerama | ianw: cool! | 20:48 |
| bkero | cinerama: I haven't read them before, so I won't have any potentially deprecated knowledge of them :) | 20:48 |
| greghaynes | so yea, lets shoot for an -rc at around next meeting time? | 20:48 |
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| ianw | yep, i think that's realistic | 20:49 |
| cinerama | +1 | 20:49 |
| greghaynes | #action review v2 changes and try to get last bits in for a first rc at next meeting | 20:49 |
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| greghaynes | #topic open discussion | 20:49 |
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| greghaynes | Anything folks want to bring up? | 20:50 |
| greghaynes | welp, I think we get about 10mins back | 20:50 |
| greghaynes | wooo | 20:50 |
| cinerama | i'm really excited about the ansiblefest stuff that happened | 20:50 |
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| greghaynes | oh? | 20:50 |
| cinerama | i think it will be really good for the project | 20:50 |
| cinerama | just sounds like we'll potentially have more users & involvement | 20:51 |
| greghaynes | I dont know what happened | 20:51 |
| greghaynes | oh awesome | 20:51 |
| greghaynes | yea if they are interested thatd be huge | 20:51 |
| pabelanger | I'm good | 20:51 |
| cinerama | we specifically got brought up with regard to role verification for galaxy | 20:51 |
| greghaynes | cinerama: was there something written down somewhere I could check out? | 20:51 |
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| greghaynes | I wouldnt mind chatting with folks about that | 20:51 |
| cinerama | greghaynes: i don't think we had an etherpad on that one :( i do have some super sketchy stuff i wrote down that i can pass along | 20:52 |
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| greghaynes | ah, ok | 20:52 |
| greghaynes | ty | 20:52 |
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| greghaynes | allright, O/ everyone | 20:52 |
| greghaynes | ty for meeting | 20:52 |
| greghaynes | #endmeeting | 20:52 |
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| cinerama | thanks, good meeting | 20:52 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 13 20:52:34 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/diskimage_builder/2016/diskimage_builder.2016-10-13-20.01.html | 20:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/diskimage_builder/2016/diskimage_builder.2016-10-13-20.01.txt | 20:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/diskimage_builder/2016/diskimage_builder.2016-10-13-20.01.log.html | 20:52 |
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| mriedem | #startmeeting nova | 20:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 13 20:59:52 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mriedem. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 20:59 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 20:59 |
| mriedem | hi who's here? | 21:00 |
| takashin | o/ | 21:00 |
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| melwitt | o/ | 21:00 |
| mikal | Not me | 21:00 |
| mriedem | mikal: you're here, just not your pants | 21:00 |
| edleafe | \o | 21:00 |
| thorst | o/ | 21:00 |
| diana_clarke | o/ | 21:00 |
| raj_singh | o/ | 21:00 |
| mikal | mriedem: I am glad we've minuted the state of my pants | 21:00 |
| mriedem | :) | 21:00 |
| dansmith | o/ | 21:01 |
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| alaski | o/ | 21:01 |
| dtp | o/ | 21:02 |
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| jroll | \o | 21:02 |
| mriedem | alright let's do this | 21:02 |
| mriedem | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 21:02 |
| mriedem | #topic release news | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "release news (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:02 | |
| auggy | o/ | 21:02 |
| mriedem | #link Draft Ocata release schedule: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Ocata_Release_Schedule | 21:02 |
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| mriedem | that's basically it for release news | 21:02 |
| mriedem | lots of spec reviewing going on | 21:02 |
| mriedem | #topic Summit planning | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Summit planning (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:02 | |
| mriedem | #link Nova Ocata design summit schedule: https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/global-search?t=Nova%3A | 21:03 |
| mriedem | #link Questions for ops folks welcome for the Nova & Ops: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BCN-ops-nova | 21:03 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy is running ^ | 21:03 |
| mriedem | #info Topic change: https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/events/16977/ | 21:03 |
| mriedem | ^ i posted to the dev list on that as well, swapped the docs session for security | 21:03 |
| auggy | Real Live johnthetubaguy ! | 21:03 |
| mikal | Your schedule line includes a lot of not-designs-summit stuff | 21:04 |
| mriedem | i see the john hopkins guys aren't around | 21:04 |
| mikal | Like vBrownBags | 21:04 |
| mriedem | looks fine to me | 21:04 |
| mriedem | maybe it's your aussy browser | 21:04 |
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| mikal | Huh, refreshing fixed it | 21:05 |
| mikal | Ignore me | 21:05 |
| mriedem | ok | 21:05 |
| mriedem | i was going to say, the results with and without the colon are very different | 21:05 |
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| mriedem | #help If you are chairing a session please work on getting your agenda written in the session etherpad: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Design_Summit/Ocata/Etherpads#Nova | 21:05 |
| mikal | Oh, that's probably it | 21:05 |
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| mriedem | that means alaski dansmith jaypipes johnthetubaguy et al ^ | 21:05 |
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| dansmith | yessir | 21:06 |
| mriedem | questions about the summit? | 21:06 |
| mriedem | #topic bugs | 21:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:06 | |
| mriedem | there are no critical bugs | 21:06 |
| mriedem | quite a few new untriaged bugs though | 21:06 |
| mriedem | gate status is mostly ok | 21:07 |
| mriedem | the newest thing is http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/index.html#1630664 | 21:07 |
| mriedem | which is after TLS was turned on | 21:07 |
| mriedem | we have random connection failures talking to neutron | 21:07 |
| mriedem | there is a patch in ksa to be released which should give more details on what the actual failures are | 21:08 |
| mriedem | credit to dansmith and sdague for fixing that | 21:08 |
| mriedem | 3rd party ci status | 21:08 |
| mriedem | vmware has had issues | 21:08 |
| mriedem | i turned off voting once this week | 21:08 |
| mriedem | some tests were randomly failing again today | 21:08 |
| mriedem | and there are no vmware people in here to give any details on what the issues are | 21:09 |
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| mriedem | so i'll be pushing the change to drop the vmware driver after the meeting | 21:09 |
| mriedem | ... | 21:10 |
| * dansmith looks around the room | 21:10 | |
| mriedem | ha | 21:10 |
| mriedem | i'm joking about that one | 21:10 |
| mriedem | but really expected some response | 21:10 |
| mtreinish | mriedem: do it | 21:10 |
| melwitt | I chuckled | 21:10 |
| mikal | We were all waiting... | 21:10 |
| mikal | ...but it never happened | 21:10 |
| mriedem | mtreinish: oh of course you show up | 21:10 |
| mikal | Wait for the media to run articles about it I suppose? | 21:10 |
| mriedem | i'm not on twitter so i wouldn't care | 21:11 |
| mriedem | #topic stable branch status | 21:11 |
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| mriedem | #info stable/newton 14.0.1 was released this week | 21:11 |
| mriedem | #info stable/mitaka goes to phase 2 and stable/liberty goes to phase 3 support tomorrow: http://docs.openstack.org/project-team-guide/stable-branches.html#support-phases | 21:11 |
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| mriedem | lyarwood has been active on propsing and reviewing backports, so there are things out there | 21:12 |
| mriedem | *proposing | 21:12 |
| mriedem | #topic subteam highlights | 21:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "subteam highlights (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:12 | |
| mriedem | alaski: cells v2 meeting? | 21:12 |
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| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/381275/ came up | 21:13 |
| mriedem | has a +2 | 21:13 |
| mriedem | i just forgot to get back on it | 21:13 |
| alaski | not much to report, just that spec series | 21:13 |
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| mriedem | ok | 21:13 |
| mriedem | edleafe: scheduler meeting? | 21:13 |
| edleafe | sorry, on a call | 21:13 |
| mriedem | i know the scheduler guys have been very quiet in channel the last 2 days | 21:13 |
| dansmith | *rimshot* | 21:14 |
| mriedem | thanks | 21:14 |
| mikal | Heh | 21:14 |
| mriedem | ok tdurakov gave me the live migration meeting highlights before the meeting | 21:14 |
| mriedem | CI (grenade job for live migration testing is in progress) | 21:14 |
| mriedem | ^ the job actually exists for grenade + live migration, | 21:14 |
| mriedem | the changes are for running live migration old <> new nodes back and forth in that job | 21:15 |
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| mriedem | with a tempest change from raj_singh | 21:15 |
| mriedem | i'm +1 on the series | 21:15 |
| mriedem | just need to grease some QA palms | 21:15 |
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| mriedem | Bugs (markus_z brought up the change for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/275801/ - johnthetubaguy to help with https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1566622 ) | 21:15 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1566622 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "live migration fails with xenapi virt driver and SRs with old-style naming convention" [High,Confirmed] | 21:15 |
| mriedem | Open discussions (backward compatability during upgrades on hypervisors layer) | 21:15 |
| mriedem | i'm not really sure what ^ means | 21:16 |
| mriedem | but, that's part of what the live migratoin + grenade back and forth stuff is for testing | 21:16 |
| mriedem | sdague: alex_xu_: api subteam meeting highlights? | 21:16 |
| edleafe | mriedem: sorry about that. The gist of the scheduler meeting was getting jaypipes to focus on code and not so much on specs | 21:16 |
| edleafe | the rest was on dividing the work on the placement API changes | 21:17 |
| mriedem | ok | 21:17 |
| mriedem | the api meeting was mostly about topics for the API session at the summit | 21:17 |
| edleafe | which led the aforementioned quiet in the channel | 21:17 |
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| mriedem | alex_xu has an etherpad with some of that info | 21:17 |
| mriedem | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova_api_ocata_ideas | 21:18 |
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| mriedem | there was no sriov/pci meeting this week | 21:18 |
| mriedem | gibi: notifications meeting? | 21:18 |
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| mriedem | there are changes https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/versioned-notification-transformation-ocata | 21:19 |
| mriedem | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/versioned-notification-transformation-ocata | 21:19 |
| mriedem | there are also a few specs related to new notifications | 21:19 |
| mriedem | several around compute node / host metrics | 21:19 |
| mriedem | which i've nacked | 21:19 |
| mriedem | #topic stuck reviews | 21:19 |
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| mriedem | nothing in the agenda - anyone need to pounce on this? | 21:19 |
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| mriedem | #topic open discussion | 21:20 |
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| mriedem | (jroll): Ironic portgroups BP, can we approve or does it need a spec? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/ironic-portgroups-support | 21:20 |
| jroll | ohai | 21:20 |
| mriedem | jroll: so at one point there was a spec for that | 21:20 |
| mriedem | munged with the tenant networking spec | 21:20 |
| jroll | yeah, so this was split out from the general networking stuff | 21:20 |
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| jroll | we dropped the bonding things from that spec | 21:21 |
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| jroll | that said, we'll need to update instance metadata to get the bond configs into the configdrive / metadata api | 21:22 |
| mriedem | #link ironic port groups support POC https://review.openstack.org/#/c/206163/ | 21:22 |
| jroll | so I could see some bikeshedding there | 21:22 |
| mriedem | yeah so that poc doesn't have any of the metadata stuff right? | 21:22 |
| jroll | right | 21:22 |
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| jroll | I think a poc for that exists | 21:22 |
| * jroll looks | 21:22 | |
| mikal | There are a few requests for new metadata things | 21:22 |
| mikal | I was assuming we'd discuss those in the vendordata summit session | 21:22 |
| mriedem | jroll: and duplicate things here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/382438/ | 21:23 |
| mikal | But that session seems more... keystoney | 21:23 |
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| jroll | so here's a poc for doing the metadata in our driver, which doesn't solve metadata api https://review.openstack.org/#/c/289412/1/nova/virt/ironic/driver.py | 21:23 |
| jroll | mriedem: that's some dynamic portgroups thing that mirantis keeps pushing on, which we are totally not ready for yet | 21:23 |
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| jroll | so ignore that pls | 21:23 |
| mriedem | heh, tell them to slow down, you're not that kind of project | 21:24 |
| dansmith | lol | 21:24 |
| mriedem | so this doesn't sound trivial | 21:24 |
| mriedem | or feature parity-ish | 21:24 |
| mriedem | so i'm leaning toward spec city | 21:24 |
| dansmith | or fun | 21:24 |
| mriedem | or that | 21:24 |
| jroll | yeah, we don't get a hypervisor to HA networks for us :( | 21:24 |
| mriedem | any disagreements? | 21:24 |
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| mriedem | well whose fault is that? | 21:25 |
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| mriedem | i'm also interested in the QA stuff which i know you mentioned in the bp whiteboard | 21:25 |
| jroll | spec is fine with me, just wanted to be told so instead of assuming | 21:25 |
| mriedem | sounds like new cloud-init required | 21:25 |
| jroll | no, current cloud-init works | 21:25 |
| mriedem | and you guys have a special ironic multi-tenant networking job right? | 21:26 |
| jroll | cirros doesn't load the bonding kmod though | 21:26 |
| mriedem | ah | 21:26 |
| jroll | right, but this could be added to any job | 21:26 |
| mriedem | so i was wondering if the updated cirros (when that happens) could be in that job to test this | 21:26 |
| mriedem | oh | 21:26 |
| mriedem | i guess we just update devstack for the cirros version to use, sure | 21:26 |
| jroll | yeah | 21:26 |
| mriedem | anyway, i think we agree on a spec | 21:26 |
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| jroll | yeah, the metadata bits sell it for me | 21:27 |
| jroll | thanks | 21:27 |
| mriedem | ok | 21:27 |
| mriedem | (thorst / adreznec): Initial PowerVM Driver Integration BP proposed: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/381772/ | 21:27 |
| thorst | Hi all. We have another blueprint up to propose the *initial* integration of the PowerVM driver in tree to nova. | 21:27 |
| thorst | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/381772/ | 21:27 |
| thorst | Intention is to do this over multiple releases to be cognizant of reviewer bandwidth. | 21:28 |
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| thorst | We’re asking for feedback on the blueprint, any requirements we haven’t considered, etc... | 21:28 |
| thorst | We’ve also tee’d up a discussion for it at the unconference in Barcelona. | 21:28 |
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| mriedem | i haven't gone through the whole spec, but the gist is, | 21:28 |
| mriedem | start with a couple of minimum operations in tree | 21:28 |
| mriedem | create/delete, start/stop, console | 21:28 |
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| mriedem | and work things in over time? | 21:29 |
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| thorst | exactly. All picked from the out of tree driver | 21:29 |
| adreznec | Yeah, that's essentially the plan | 21:29 |
| thorst | we keep the two 'in sync' | 21:29 |
| mriedem | which, is kind of how hyperv does new features btw | 21:29 |
| mikal | So, I don't think we should debate this in detail now, but I'd like to understand how we hedge against IBM having yet another change of corporate direction | 21:29 |
| mikal | So can we put that on the agenda for whenever we discuss this please? | 21:29 |
| mriedem | yes it's in the unconference session | 21:30 |
| dansmith | mikal: especially since there are like eight IBM hypervisors | 21:30 |
| mikal | Cool | 21:30 |
| dansmith | 3 z ones, two power ones | 21:30 |
| dansmith | so only five I guess :) | 21:30 |
| mriedem | 3 power ones | 21:30 |
| thorst | 3? | 21:30 |
| mriedem | you forgot powervc | 21:30 |
| mikal | Standard exaggeration factor? | 21:30 |
| mriedem | pkvm, powervc, powervm v2 | 21:30 |
| dansmith | yeah, so um.. great | 21:30 |
| mikal | But yeah, let's not get side tracked here but I do want to be part of that conversation please | 21:31 |
| thorst | sounds good. Hoping for some feedback on spec before conference if possible, but we'll chat more at the unconference | 21:31 |
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| thorst | thanks! | 21:31 |
| mriedem | sure, but before ammo'ing up to shoot them down at the summit, they've been working on this and attending things for 2 years now | 21:31 |
| mikal | mriedem: you take the fun out of everything | 21:31 |
| mikal | I think its about hedging | 21:32 |
| mriedem | if it helps i -2ed the spec for the latest z driver yesterday | 21:32 |
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| mikal | For example, if we can get gating into infra, then that would ease my concerns at least a little (for example) | 21:32 |
| mriedem | right, so part of the hedging thing is getting adoption and more people involved besides 3 guys at ibm | 21:32 |
| mriedem | and ci | 21:32 |
| mriedem | ci is a requirement | 21:32 |
| mikal | _upstream_ ci | 21:32 |
| mriedem | upstream doesn't ci vcenter? | 21:32 |
| thorst | ci is up and running, but we don't vote per last mid cycle guidance (I think it was midcycle) | 21:32 |
| mriedem | or hyperv | 21:32 |
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| mikal | mriedem: sure, those vendors don't have 8 hypervisors and indecisive VPs though | 21:33 |
| mriedem | openstack-infra isn't going to host a power 8 system | 21:33 |
| thorst | but runs against all nova patches - and its public config/logs are available | 21:33 |
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| dansmith | and people use those hypervisors for cloudy things | 21:33 |
| mikal | Still don't want to side track this meeting | 21:33 |
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| mikal | Let's argue about this at the unconference | 21:33 |
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| mikal | I will take a look at the spec too because I am only partially a terrible person | 21:33 |
| mriedem | fair enough, but i'd rather not argue about it every 3 months | 21:34 |
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| mriedem | powervm-just-the-tip is a decent starting course | 21:34 |
| mriedem | b/c we go slow just like ironic | 21:34 |
| mriedem | :) | 21:34 |
| mriedem | anything else for open discussion? | 21:34 |
| mriedem | ok, that's it then. thanks everyone. | 21:34 |
| mriedem | #endmeeting | 21:34 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 13 21:34:58 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:35 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2016/nova.2016-10-13-20.59.html | 21:35 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2016/nova.2016-10-13-20.59.txt | 21:35 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2016/nova.2016-10-13-20.59.log.html | 21:35 |
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| dougwig | o/ | 21:59 |
| HenryG | o/ | 21:59 |
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| armax | dougwig: get out | 21:59 |
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| armax | you’re not welcome! | 21:59 |
| armax | :) | 21:59 |
| dougwig | 4 opens, bite me. | 21:59 |
| dougwig | :) | 21:59 |
| johnsom | o/ | 21:59 |
| armax | oh well | 21:59 |
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| armax | I suppose I am gonna have to put up with you then | 22:00 |
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| dougwig | you've survived this long. | 22:00 |
| armax | #startmeeting neutron_drivers | 22:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 13 22:00:09 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is armax. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers' | 22:00 |
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| kevinbenton | hi | 22:00 |
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| ihrachys | o/ | 22:00 |
| armax | carl_baldwin, kevinbenton, amotoki ihrachys | 22:00 |
| armax | ping | 22:00 |
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| armax | ok we almost have a full house | 22:01 |
| blogan | o/ | 22:01 |
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| johnsom | Lots of lbaas riff-raff... haha | 22:01 |
| njohnston | o/ | 22:02 |
| armax | we’re 10 days from the summit | 22:02 |
| armax | and about a month from Ocata-1 | 22:02 |
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| armax | not that people wouldn’t know but I figured I’d remind everybody | 22:04 |
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| armax | today I wanted to take the opportunity given by this hour to talk about | 22:05 |
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| armax | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+topic:stadium-implosion | 22:05 |
| armax | over the past week I started looking at how things are going with the various projects in the lot | 22:05 |
| armax | I have had a first pass on every project except bgpvpn and bagpipe | 22:06 |
| armax | which I am hoping I’ll be able to process by the end of the week | 22:06 |
| armax | what I need from you drivers members | 22:06 |
| armax | and non | 22:06 |
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| armax | to review first and foremost | 22:07 |
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| armax | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/383525/ | 22:07 |
| armax | make sure you’re happy with the content and the format | 22:07 |
| armax | it’s a relatively straightforward list of Yes and No questions | 22:07 |
| armax | the set of responses gathered should help us get an idea of the level of maturity and overall quality of a project | 22:08 |
| dougwig | since you've done a first pass, what's the gist of the review? mostly in? out? | 22:08 |
| armax | dougwig: well | 22:08 |
| armax | dougwig: the in vs out is something I want to reach out with my fellow drivers | 22:08 |
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| armax | dougwig: I have a few takeaways I am sharing in a minute | 22:09 |
| armax | dougwig: so bear with me | 22:09 |
| dougwig | k | 22:09 |
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| armax | the scorecard should not be seen first and foremost as a mean to spur conversation and allow people to identify gaps | 22:10 |
| armax | that might have been overlooked | 22:10 |
| HenryG | "should not"? | 22:10 |
| armax | sorry | 22:10 |
| armax | should be | 22:10 |
| armax | I was making sure people were paying attention | 22:10 |
| armax | HenryG gets a candy | 22:10 |
| * armax hands over a virtual candy to HenryG | 22:11 | |
| armax | :) | 22:11 |
| * HenryG puts candy in mouth and finds it very sour | 22:11 | |
| armax | :) | 22:11 |
| armax | come on! | 22:11 |
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| armax | I hope people see these as something that helps improve the quality of the projects | 22:12 |
| njohnston | I think it definitely does. | 22:13 |
| ihrachys | it actually does, for what I see. though I am puzzled as to why it works. | 22:13 |
| armax | that said, in the end we, the PTL, the Neutron drivers need to make a decision on where time and energy is well spent | 22:13 |
| armax | when looking at the Stadium as a whole | 22:13 |
| ihrachys | I mean, quality should be at the core of the interest of a team. if what in reality is a simple badge is a better motivation to push for quality, I dunno. | 22:14 |
| armax | and if on one end the tool is useful to improve quality for the individual project | 22:14 |
| HenryG | ihrachys: It gives the projects a checklist, which I guess they didn't have before | 22:14 |
| armax | on the other end it’s a tool that is useful for the PTL, and the drivers and the rest of the Neutron community to raise awareness and involvement in projects where one may not necessarily involved on a day to day basis | 22:15 |
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| armax | I’d love to spend the same amount of time on project X than I spend on Neutron proper | 22:15 |
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| armax | but I simply know that I can’t | 22:15 |
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| armax | and I see these regular checkpoints as a way to foster discussion between the various parties invovled in the stadium | 22:16 |
| armax | ok, now enough with the talking :) | 22:17 |
| armax | any suggestions/comments so far? | 22:17 |
| armax | you can throw virtual rotten tomatoes if you want | 22:17 |
| ihrachys | having those checkpoints at the start of a cycle makes a lot of sense, assuming projects actually follow the cycle in some way (some don't). | 22:18 |
| armax | right, for now I am happy with the scorecard format I produced | 22:18 |
| armax | if you guys are happy too, we can make incremental improvements over time | 22:18 |
| ihrachys | overall, I feel that the stadium finally gets some technical substance, so + on that | 22:18 |
| armax | but for now I’d say if I can get eyes on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/383525/ | 22:19 |
| armax | so that I can take it out of the way | 22:19 |
| armax | I’ll be focussing on the actual assessments going forward | 22:19 |
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| armax | as for now I am filling the blanks at high level and to the best of my abilities | 22:20 |
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| armax | I’ll be reaching out to the various subproject liasions to make sure we capture a pitcure as objective and as trustyworthy of reality as possible | 22:20 |
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| armax | In the ‘final remarks’ section, I’ll will summarize at high level the status of the project and I’ll refrain from making a decision in vs out | 22:22 |
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| armax | which is something I want to agree in coordination with the drivers team once everyone has had the chance to review the scorecard | 22:22 |
| armax | there will be exceptions though | 22:23 |
| armax | especially if a project has clear indication of being stale | 22:23 |
| armax | or not having chance of survival | 22:23 |
| armax | one more thing and that I can answer dougwig’s question | 22:24 |
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| armax | the same scorecard would be used for projects that may want to be considered for inclusion, i.e. are not part of the governance list for Neutron and they want to be | 22:24 |
| armax | ok | 22:25 |
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| armax | any question/comments so far? Otherwise I’ll start the drum rolls | 22:25 |
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| dasm | armax: question about latest statement: does it mean, that projects can somehow "bypass" governance and will be included into Neutron Stadium Projects? | 22:25 |
| dasm | *last | 22:26 |
| armax | clearly not | 22:26 |
| armax | dasm: but I am not sure I understand your statement | 22:26 |
| armax | what I mean is that if some project foo wants to be part of the governance list for Neutron | 22:27 |
| armax | they would need to file an RFE and post a scorecard to the neutron-specs repo | 22:27 |
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| dasm | armax: yeah. i re-read that. sorry for messing, i've misunderstood it, and thought about openstack governance list, not neutron governance list | 22:27 |
| armax | in time for the first milestone of the given cycle | 22:27 |
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| armax | so say you have project X and want to be part of the Neutron stadium in Ocata | 22:28 |
| armax | you have time until Ocata 1 to file and RFE, post a scorecard with all the dots being filled and we, the drivers team, we’ll talk to you and dive into the guts of the projects to see how cool it is | 22:28 |
| dasm | armax: ok, makes sense to me. | 22:29 |
| armax | spin offs, like have happened in the past, e.g. dynamic routing, would get a free pass so to speak | 22:29 |
| armax | but the assessment is at every cycle so if the project being spun off goes downhill | 22:30 |
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| armax | it can get to be removed | 22:30 |
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| armax | dougwig: what was your question again? | 22:30 |
| armax | how much we suck? | 22:30 |
| armax | or how much we rock? | 22:31 |
| dougwig | What was your overall feel of the current list? | 22:31 |
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| armax | overall I noticed that some projects felt the pressure of the stadium and worked hard to cross most items on the checklist | 22:32 |
| armax | some others didn’t give a rat’s ass | 22:32 |
| armax | so it’s roughly 50/50 | 22:32 |
| armax | one thing that was consistent throughout the stadium projects | 22:32 |
| armax | is that no-one gives a rat’s ass about neutron-lib | 22:32 |
| armax | and that’s most likely is our fault | 22:32 |
| armax | and we need to fix that | 22:32 |
| * HenryG sobs | 22:33 | |
| armax | if we want neutron-lib to be anything other than a repo that holds constants and api-ref | 22:33 |
| dougwig | That's easy to fix. Just release the freeze on interface changes in neutron proper. | 22:33 |
| armax | I look forward to talking about this in more details in a few weeks time | 22:34 |
| ihrachys | armax: the question is, do we steer neutron-lib evolution, or do we necessarily hardlift it ourselves? can we make use of that broader stadium community we claim we have? | 22:34 |
| dougwig | I | 22:34 |
| armax | but something that ihrachys suggested today during our secret meeting | 22:34 |
| armax | is that we can consciously make a decision that neutron-lib is the way forward and we can force projects to break if they do not comply | 22:34 |
| armax | ihrachys didn’t exactly suggested that | 22:35 |
| armax | but the evil side of me decided to interpret his statement that way | 22:35 |
| dougwig | Right. That's what I just said too | 22:35 |
| * ihrachys sounds tough in your mouth | 22:35 | |
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| armax | dougwig: I don’t listen to you anymore | 22:35 |
| armax | dougwig: you’re not a driver | 22:35 |
| HenryG | Can we do quicker turn-around on deprecation removals? | 22:35 |
| dougwig | lol | 22:35 |
| armax | :) | 22:36 |
| armax | HenryG: first and foremost I see neutron-lib as the key component to kill the coupling between projects and Neutron | 22:36 |
| armax | if we don’t go over the hump | 22:36 |
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| armax | quick turnaround is not solving the problem | 22:36 |
| armax | we need projects to get to 90+% import rate for neutron lib | 22:37 |
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| armax | if we want to stand a chance for it to be seen as a useful piece of our development and deployment puzzle | 22:37 |
| ihrachys | I think we should build neutron-lib, and make stadium projects pay for it | 22:37 |
| armax | a toll | 22:38 |
| armax | :) | 22:38 |
| ihrachys | I mean, make use of their passion to comply with the scorecard ;) | 22:38 |
| dasm | but if all deprecated functions/classes will be removed from neutron code, than non compliant projects will be broken, and would need to abide to brand, new world | 22:38 |
| dasm | *adjust | 22:38 |
| armax | anyhow there’s probably more to talk about this, it’s not a difficult problem but it’s not sexy | 22:39 |
| ihrachys | we have a whole session to discuss it | 22:39 |
| armax | but we need to crack this nut somehow | 22:39 |
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| armax | so neutron-lib being largely ignored is one piece of the finding | 22:40 |
| armax | the other finding was that we partially suck at testing | 22:41 |
| * amuller pretends he didn't hear that | 22:41 | |
| armax | documentation is patchy and if a project exposes client extensions, they are not turned over to OSC yet | 22:41 |
| armax | amuller don’t read that literally | 22:42 |
| armax | overall there’s recognition of the fact that we need better CI | 22:42 |
| armax | but most projects’ efforts are ineffective at this point | 22:43 |
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| armax | many projects still primarily and solely rely on unit testing | 22:43 |
| armax | and for a system as complex as OpenStack that’s clearly problematic if we want to signal downstream consumers that what we produce is rock solid out of the stadium gate | 22:44 |
| armax | for those projects that have no stable tempest like validation in the gate I am going to take a hard line | 22:44 |
| armax | regrettably | 22:45 |
| armax | they are going to escorted out of the premises | 22:45 |
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| armax | virtual premises so to speak | 22:45 |
| armax | I have been asked on some reviews like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/383904/ | 22:46 |
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| armax | whether there’s a MUST TO-DO list out of the wider list of criteria | 22:46 |
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| amuller | What is your objective? Is your objective to kick a project out, or to improve its testing? If it's the latter, it would likely be more effective to communicate this requirement to the project team and to give them sufficient time to accomplish that goal | 22:46 |
| armax | I have communicated this effectively since last cycle | 22:47 |
| armax | I believe | 22:47 |
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| armax | how long is sufficient, that depends on the project resources | 22:47 |
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| armax | at one point we need to draw a line | 22:48 |
| armax | pushing deadlines over and over and over again is pointless | 22:48 |
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| ihrachys | I think at this point teams themselves should draw a clear plan forward that could make the PTL to back up a bit. | 22:49 |
| armax | I personally feel that so long as one demonstrates that all tasks are actively in progress and make steady steps forward | 22:50 |
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| armax | then it’s hard to draw a firm line | 22:50 |
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| armax | but one must have an end in sight | 22:50 |
| armax | I have seen things drag on for ages | 22:50 |
| armax | and ages | 22:51 |
| ihrachys | armax: what was the thinking behind the first deadline and not e.g. second? trying to understand if it's a hard deadline due to some release concerns. | 22:51 |
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| armax | exclusion does not preclude re-inclusion | 22:51 |
| armax | you mean Ocata-1 vs Ocata-2? | 22:51 |
| ihrachys | yea | 22:51 |
| ihrachys | why -1 in the original spec | 22:52 |
| armax | primarily because after Ocata-1 there’s generally less time to look into these types of issues | 22:52 |
| armax | as more time gets dedicated on hands-on feature development | 22:53 |
| armax | and release matters | 22:53 |
| ihrachys | ok, so there is nothing stopping us from ditching a non-complying subproject that committed to complete some gaps till e.g. Ocata-2 but has not done so. | 22:53 |
| * ihrachys not necessarily saying that anyone should be given a chance | 22:54 | |
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| armax | we also want to make sure we give the TC enough time to digest/discuss | 22:54 |
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| armax | the related governance patch, so as of today I am giving myself Ocata-1 as the deadline by which I’ll be filing a patch to update the governance list | 22:55 |
| njohnston | Yes, if a project is out of the stadium I would assume they would want to pivot and apply for inclusion in the Big Tent, if they have any life in them at all. | 22:55 |
| armax | based on any discussion that will happen between now and then during the drivers meeting and/or the scorecard reviews themselves | 22:56 |
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| armax | any other comment or question, feedback? | 22:57 |
| armax | if not, I would love to draw your attention on https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:stadium-implosion+status:open | 22:58 |
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| njohnston | It seems like a fair process overall. I know I have had to wade into fullstack testing to see how it works under the covers, to introduce it to a subproject. | 22:59 |
| armax | the sooner we wrap this up, the sooner we’re gonna go back to doing what we like the most | 22:59 |
| HenryG | My neutron-lib patches need reviewers | 22:59 |
| HenryG | https://review.openstack.org/337731 | 22:59 |
| HenryG | https://review.openstack.org/382556 | 22:59 |
| armax | HenryG: ack | 22:59 |
| carl_baldwin | armax: attention drawn | 23:00 |
| armax | njohnston: mind you, as pointed out, no project will be kicked out because of lack of fullstack testing | 23:00 |
| armax | ok, thanks folks, we’re at time | 23:00 |
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| armax | #endmeeting | 23:00 |
| njohnston | yes, but it is still desirable :-) | 23:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 13 23:00:40 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2016/neutron_drivers.2016-10-13-22.00.html | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2016/neutron_drivers.2016-10-13-22.00.txt | 23:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2016/neutron_drivers.2016-10-13-22.00.log.html | 23:00 |
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