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| hongbin | #startmeeting zun | 03:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 30 03:00:10 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hongbin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 03:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 03:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:00 | |
| hongbin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Zun#Agenda_for_2016-08-30_0300_UTC Today's agenda | 03:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'zun' | 03:00 |
| hongbin | #topic Roll Call | 03:00 |
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| Wenzhi | Wenzhi Yu | 03:00 |
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| hongbin | hi Wenzhi | 03:00 |
| Wenzhi | hi hongbin | 03:01 |
| hongbin | Wenzhi: I know Madhuri cannot make this meeting | 03:01 |
| hongbin | Other folks are busy with the release possibly | 03:01 |
| Wenzhi | yes probably | 03:02 |
| hongbin | Le't wait a few more seconds to see if anyone else is joining | 03:02 |
| Wenzhi | so just you and me today? :) | 03:02 |
| Wenzhi | ok | 03:02 |
| hongbin | hopefully not :) | 03:02 |
| eliqiao | hi | 03:02 |
| hongbin | eliqiao: hey | 03:03 |
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| yanyanhu | hi, sorry, I'm late | 03:04 |
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| hongbin | yanyanhu: hi | 03:04 |
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| hongbin | OK. Let's start. It looks folks are busy today. Maybe have a short meeting | 03:04 |
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| hongbin | #topic Announcements | 03:04 |
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| hongbin | 1. We have an accepted talk at Barcelona summit | 03:05 |
| hongbin | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/global-search?t=zun | 03:05 |
| hongbin | please come to the talk if you are available | 03:05 |
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| hongbin | #topic Review Action Items | 03:05 |
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| hongbin | 1. hongbin create a bug for enhancing the quickstart guide (DONE) | 03:05 |
| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/359574/ Submit a patch instead | 03:06 |
| yanyanhu | hongbin, sure will definitely join it if have the chance to travel to barcelona | 03:06 |
| hongbin | yanyanhu: ok | 03:06 |
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| hongbin | yanyanhu: hope to see you there | 03:06 |
| Wenzhi | yes ^^ | 03:06 |
| yanyanhu | yes :) | 03:07 |
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| hongbin | #topic Nova integration (Namrata) | 03:07 |
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| hongbin | narmrata is not here today | 03:07 |
| hongbin | let's skip this one | 03:07 |
| hongbin | #topic Container image store | 03:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Container image store (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:07 | |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/glance-integration | 03:07 |
| hongbin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zun-container-image | 03:07 |
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| hongbin | there is an initial decision about the image store at previous meeting | 03:08 |
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| hongbin | basically, we will support both Glance and Docker Hub. If Glance is used, export docker image as a tar file before uploading to glance | 03:09 |
| hongbin | 1. Glance: | 03:09 |
| hongbin | $ zun pull glance/busybox | 03:09 |
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| hongbin | 2. Public Docker Hub: | 03:09 |
| hongbin | $ zun pull busybox | 03:09 |
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| hongbin | 3. Private Docker registry: | 03:09 |
| hongbin | $ zun pull $REGISTRY_IP/busybox | 03:09 |
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| hongbin | Later, if there is more storage backend (i.e. glare) we can do this | 03:10 |
| hongbin | $ zun pull XXX/busybox | 03:10 |
| hongbin | basically, it leverages the prefix to locate the image store | 03:10 |
| yanyanhu | hongbin, zun pull will pull specific image from e.g. glare to local host? | 03:11 |
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| hongbin | yanyanhu: yes | 03:11 |
| yanyanhu | local host where zun cmd is executed | 03:11 |
| yanyanhu | I see | 03:11 |
| yanyanhu | looks like kind of image management operations | 03:11 |
| eliqiao | it seems we need to do a abstract layer to cover all image back-end. | 03:11 |
| eliqiao | If so, this may be out of zun's scope? | 03:12 |
| hongbin | yanyanhu: yes like docker pull/push | 03:12 |
| hongbin | eliqiao: yes there needs to be a abstracted layer | 03:12 |
| eliqiao | or, we are working out a unify image API for all containers images? | 03:12 |
| hongbin | eliqiao: maybe like nova, it has a layer to talk to glance | 03:12 |
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| hongbin | eliqiao: yes, but hopefully it is no more than push and pull | 03:13 |
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| eliqiao | hongbin: it's glace client. | 03:13 |
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| hongbin | eliqiao: yes, consider zun implements a glance client as well | 03:13 |
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| hongbin | yanyanhu: what do you think? | 03:14 |
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| Wenzhi | how if user what to modify the images, like docker commit? | 03:14 |
| yanyanhu | hong, I agree with eliqiao | 03:14 |
| eliqiao | who will really keep the iamge actually? | 03:14 |
| yanyanhu | that maybe it is helpful feature | 03:15 |
| eliqiao | glance or docker registry/ | 03:15 |
| hongbin | eliqiao: both | 03:15 |
| Wenzhi | If we use glance as image back-end, how do we modify the image? | 03:15 |
| hongbin | docker push to overwrite the image | 03:15 |
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| hongbin | sorry zun push | 03:15 |
| hongbin | basically, we implement a docker pull/push equivalent | 03:16 |
| yanyanhu | hongbin, if it is purely about image management, maybe it is not in zun's scope | 03:16 |
| eliqiao | who will do the pusing? zun-?? | 03:16 |
| hongbin | yanyanhu: agree, zun should not manage the iamge by itself | 03:16 |
| yanyanhu | since IMHO, the images may be prepared before they are consumed by Zun | 03:16 |
| hongbin | eliqiao: users | 03:16 |
| eliqiao | if we do a zun push, that is to say we have a image locally, zun will help to push the image to glance? | 03:17 |
| hongbin | yanyanhu: I see | 03:17 |
| eliqiao | but we don't have zun-conductor for now. | 03:17 |
| hongbin | eliqiao: the workflow is like docker CLI | 03:17 |
| hongbin | 1. zun pull busybox | 03:17 |
| hongbin | 2. modify the image locally | 03:18 |
| hongbin | 3. zun push glance/busybox | 03:18 |
| hongbin | 4. zun run -it glance/busybox | 03:18 |
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| hongbin | this is similiar to a typical docker behaviour | 03:18 |
| hongbin | and glance is served as a private registry | 03:19 |
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| Wenzhi | sounds reasonable | 03:19 |
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| hongbin | yanyanhu: however, I am open to discuss if it fits into the scope | 03:20 |
| yanyanhu | hongbin, yes. Actually I think Zun push which push image to glance/glare sounds more reasonable for me. But Zun pull doesn't look that necessary I feel | 03:21 |
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| hongbin | yanyanhu: I see | 03:21 |
| eliqiao | yanyanhu: +1 | 03:21 |
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| eliqiao | zun-driver will do the pull | 03:21 |
| hongbin | yanyanhu: let's me record your comment at the etherpad | 03:21 |
| yanyanhu | since users do have the requirement to generate a glance/glare image based on running container | 03:21 |
| yanyanhu | hongbin, thanks :) | 03:21 |
| yanyanhu | but for pulling image from docker hub to local glance/glare storage, user can rely on glance/glare client to do it (if this operation is supported by glance/glare of course :)) | 03:22 |
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| hongbin | yes, the the flow is like | 03:23 |
| hongbin | docker pull xxx / glance download xxx | 03:23 |
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| hongbin | then, zun push xxxx | 03:24 |
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| hongbin | which is also fine | 03:24 |
| yanyanhu | yes, so zun is kind of bridge between docker hub and glance | 03:24 |
| yanyanhu | for image operations | 03:25 |
| hongbin | agree | 03:25 |
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| hongbin | then, another question is how to do a commit | 03:25 |
| hongbin | and upload it to glance/docker hub | 03:25 |
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| hongbin | maybe need to implement another operation? like $ zun commit CONTAINER | 03:26 |
| yanyanhu | hongbin, it is possible I think | 03:26 |
| hongbin | ok | 03:26 |
| yanyanhu | may also depends on how glance/glare support it I feel | 03:27 |
| hongbin | then zun commit will download the container to local file system? | 03:27 |
| eliqiao | zun-compute will do the push right? | 03:27 |
| hongbin | eliqiao: users do the push | 03:27 |
| eliqiao | also does zun commit | 03:27 |
| hongbin | eliqiao: zun-compute do the pull | 03:27 |
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| eliqiao | I don't get that, if you want to do a commit, then you first need to run that contianer on zun-compute | 03:28 |
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| hongbin | eliqiao: for zun commit, I am not sure it should commit to glance or to somewhere else | 03:28 |
| hongbin | eliqiao: yes | 03:28 |
| eliqiao | then user do a commit, zun-compute will commit it, then user do zun push, zun-compute will do the push | 03:28 |
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| hongbin | eliqiao: but push is user's local -> glance | 03:29 |
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| hongbin | eliqiao: not zun-compute -> glance | 03:30 |
| hongbin | eliqiao: maybe zun commit can do it like zun-compute -> glance | 03:30 |
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| hongbin | eliqiao: or do it like zun-compute -> user's local | 03:31 |
| eliqiao | hongbin: think about that a user only have install zun-client .. | 03:31 |
| hongbin | yes | 03:32 |
| eliqiao | zun-client will in charge of pushing image? | 03:32 |
| hongbin | yes | 03:32 |
| eliqiao | k | 03:32 |
| hongbin | have zun-client depends on dockerpy | 03:32 |
| hongbin | then it should be able to push | 03:32 |
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| yanyanhu | eliqiao, I think hongbin means 'zun push' is a functionality that zun provides for user to 'convert' a 'remote' docker image to 'local' 'glance/glare' image | 03:33 |
| yanyanhu | hongbin, plz correct me if I misunderstand it | 03:33 |
| yanyanhu | this operation can be provided by zunclient | 03:33 |
| hongbin | yes | 03:33 |
| hongbin | because the convertion is not trival | 03:33 |
| hongbin | so do it for users is good | 03:34 |
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| yanyanhu | hongbin, agree this is very helpful for user. Just ideally, glance/glare can provide it :) | 03:34 |
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| hongbin | yanyanhu: agree | 03:35 |
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| hongbin | ok, will raise this discussion in the ML | 03:36 |
| hongbin | especially for the pull and commit | 03:36 |
| eliqiao | +1 | 03:36 |
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| hongbin | #action hongbin raise a ML to discuss container image | 03:36 |
| yanyanhu | hongbin, of course, that strongly depends on glance/glare's support | 03:36 |
| hongbin | yanyanhu: but I don't think they will support it in a near future | 03:37 |
| yanyanhu | hongbin, if so, it's good zun can provide this functionality | 03:37 |
| hongbin | yanyanhu: k | 03:38 |
| yanyanhu | we should provide user at least one option :) | 03:38 |
| hongbin | ok, next topic | 03:38 |
| hongbin | #topic Multi-tenancy (Wenzhi Yu) | 03:38 |
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| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/support-multi-tenancy | 03:38 |
| hongbin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zun-multi-tenancy | 03:39 |
| hongbin | Wenzhi: ^^ | 03:39 |
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| Wenzhi | yes | 03:39 |
| Wenzhi | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/357615/ | 03:39 |
| Wenzhi | with this patch now we can scope the containers by tenants | 03:39 |
| Wenzhi | IMO that's the whole work we need so far? | 03:39 |
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| hongbin | Wenzhi: I saw the patch | 03:41 |
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| hongbin | Wenzhi: it seems to enable the paste.ini | 03:41 |
| hongbin | Wenzhi: but not sure how it relates to multi-tenancy | 03:41 |
| Wenzhi | the container related code in Zun is basically copied from Magnum I think | 03:41 |
| Wenzhi | that means the code has already implemented multi-tenancy | 03:42 |
| hongbin | Wenzhi: ok, let's me double check that | 03:42 |
| Wenzhi | the reason containers are not scoped by tenants in Zun is because we did not capture the 'porject_id' or 'user_id' from user requests | 03:43 |
| hongbin | oh, I see | 03:43 |
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| hongbin | then I guess it is fine now after your patch | 03:44 |
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| Wenzhi | yes, I already tested manually, now the containers are scoped by tenants in Zun | 03:44 |
| hongbin | awesome | 03:44 |
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| hongbin | Wenzhi: then let's close the bp | 03:44 |
| yanyanhu | maye also need multi-tanant support in db layer? not sure whether it has been there in existing db interfaces | 03:44 |
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| Wenzhi | yanyanhu: what do you mean by 'multi-tanant support in db layer'? | 03:45 |
| hongbin | yanyanhu: Wenzhi : I think it is already there: https://github.com/openstack/higgins/blob/master/zun/db/sqlalchemy/api.py#L112 | 03:45 |
| yanyanhu | hongbin, great | 03:45 |
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| hongbin | since the code are copied from Magnum, so Magnum alreadys implements in in db layer | 03:45 |
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| Wenzhi | yes | 03:46 |
| yanyanhu | Wenzhi, if it has been there, we don't need further work here :) | 03:46 |
| hongbin | Wenzhi: great job | 03:46 |
| yanyanhu | cool | 03:46 |
| Wenzhi | thanks :) | 03:46 |
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| hongbin | ok, then this one finish, let's move to the next topic | 03:47 |
| hongbin | #topic Container network | 03:47 |
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| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/neutron-integration | 03:47 |
| hongbin | I took this one because I have looked into Kuryr and nova-docker in before | 03:47 |
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| hongbin | Here is what I think, we don't need kury-libnetwork | 03:48 |
| hongbin | maybe we needs kuryr-lib | 03:48 |
| hongbin | however, I suggest to decouple from kuryr for now, and re-visit the dependency after kuryr is mature | 03:49 |
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| hongbin | I plan to port nova-docker implementation to zun as a start | 03:49 |
| Wenzhi | sounds like a plan | 03:50 |
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| hongbin | then, switch to kuryr-lib later | 03:50 |
| hongbin | any comment? | 03:50 |
| hongbin | or anything needs to clarify? | 03:50 |
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| hongbin | yanyanhu: eliqiao ^^ | 03:51 |
| yanyanhu | hi, sorry, just trapped by some other stuff | 03:52 |
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| yanyanhu | sounds good for me | 03:52 |
| hongbin | ok | 03:53 |
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| hongbin | #topic Open Discussion | 03:53 |
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| hongbin | any other topic to discuss? | 03:54 |
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| hongbin | sounds not, then let's wrap up a little earlier | 03:54 |
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| hongbin | #endmeeting | 03:54 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 30 03:54:59 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 03:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2016/zun.2016-08-30-03.00.html | 03:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2016/zun.2016-08-30-03.00.txt | 03:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2016/zun.2016-08-30-03.00.log.html | 03:55 |
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| loquacities | alright, who's here for the install guide meeting? | 06:00 |
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| strigazi | o/ | 06:02 |
| loquacities | strigazi: hi :) | 06:03 |
| loquacities | i was thinking no one was here ;) | 06:03 |
| strigazi | let's wait a little more | 06:04 |
| loquacities | ok | 06:05 |
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| loquacities | ok, i think this party ended before it began :( | 06:07 |
| loquacities | strigazi: thanks for coming, anyway | 06:07 |
| strigazi | Just a question | 06:07 |
| strigazi | about testing | 06:07 |
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| loquacities | sure | 06:07 |
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| strigazi | What environment do you use? Two vm with two fake nics? | 06:08 |
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| loquacities | there's a couple of scenarios in the install guide | 06:08 |
| strigazi | The install guide assumes two nods | 06:08 |
| dguitarbite | Hello | 06:08 |
| loquacities | oh, dguitarbite hi :) | 06:08 |
| loquacities | should we start the recording? | 06:08 |
| dguitarbite | :) | 06:08 |
| strigazi | ok | 06:09 |
| loquacities | i don't have anything formal to go through, really, but people might want to read the scrollback | 06:09 |
| loquacities | #startmeeting docinstallteam | 06:09 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 30 06:09:26 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is loquacities. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 06:09 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 06:09 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docinstallteam' | 06:09 |
| loquacities | #topic Testing: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/NewtonDocTesting | 06:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Testing: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/NewtonDocTesting (Meeting topic: docinstallteam)" | 06:09 | |
| loquacities | #link Debian: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2016-August/009006.html | 06:09 |
| loquacities | #link Ubuntu: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2016-August/009008.html | 06:09 |
| loquacities | there we go | 06:10 |
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| loquacities | strigazi: so, to answer the question: just step through the install guide here: http://docs.openstack.org/project-install-guide/draft/ | 06:11 |
| loquacities | so yes, two nodes | 06:11 |
| strigazi | yes, but in practice you fake them right? | 06:11 |
| loquacities | yeah, absolutely | 06:11 |
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| strigazi | Any other advice on that? | 06:12 |
| loquacities | i'm not an expert, i'm sure i'll get better at this as we go on ;) | 06:13 |
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| bmoss | howdy | 06:13 |
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| loquacities | i've just asked brian to join, he's had more hands on experience than me :) | 06:13 |
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| strigazi | So far I was testing magnum against devstack | 06:14 |
| loquacities | bmoss: strigazi was just looking for advice on testing | 06:14 |
| strigazi | hi bmoss | 06:14 |
| bmoss | hi :) | 06:14 |
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| strigazi | To have the environment rewuired by the install guide you fake two nodes and fake two nics. Do you have any advice before starting? | 06:15 |
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| bmoss | well, if you're installing your nodes on vms, it is probably a good idea to have a network services layer to firewall your nodes | 06:17 |
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| dguitarbite | loquacities: ping | 06:17 |
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| loquacities | yep? | 06:18 |
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| dguitarbite | Ohh, I just did not see any activity. | 06:18 |
| loquacities | yeah, i was letting strigazi and bmoss discuss :) | 06:18 |
| dguitarbite | :) | 06:18 |
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| bmoss | strigazi, so a network services layer is a good idea. Also, type very carefully. ;) There is a lot of config and small mistakes cause big headaches. | 06:19 |
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| strigazi | bmoss, I'll give it a go if I have any specific issue I'll ping on irc | 06:20 |
| loquacities | cool, ok, dguitarbite did you have an update on the parser? | 06:20 |
| bmoss | to be honest, there probably isn't much more to say. The Install Guides are pretty good at taking the reader through the steps. And if something isn't clear, then it is probably a bug with the guide. Well, unless it has missed something new from openstack. | 06:20 |
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| dguitarbite | Yes, I do have an update :D. It is a couple of hours more work away from being ready to be used by us. | 06:21 |
| bmoss | strigazi, good luck, and thanks for testing! Fresh eyes are the best for catching problems. | 06:21 |
| loquacities | woohoo! | 06:21 |
| loquacities | #topic install guide testing parser | 06:21 |
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| dguitarbite | I have a meeting with Andreas this Thrusday where I would present him the running version of the parser and discuss how to move ahead. | 06:21 |
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| loquacities | cool | 06:21 |
| loquacities | i'm looking forward to seeing it in action! | 06:21 |
| strigazi | we'll update in this release? | 06:22 |
| dguitarbite | loquacities: There are some changes to the install guides from my side though. | 06:22 |
| loquacities | such as? | 06:22 |
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| dguitarbite | #link https://github.com/dguitarbite/openstack-manuals/commit/dd14956679969856a02201fe44098c3a2ef6eebf | 06:22 |
| dguitarbite | loquacities: These small syntax changes should not impact install guides generated HTML pages. They just are for reducing the complexity otherwise writing this parser would be a full time job for a team. | 06:23 |
| loquacities | right, so they're non-printing? | 06:23 |
| loquacities | ah, yep, i see | 06:24 |
| dguitarbite | loquacities: Nope, but they are critical for the parser to function. | 06:24 |
| dguitarbite | There should be few more minor changes to the syntax, I have 1-2 minor challenges to match. | 06:24 |
| loquacities | ok | 06:25 |
| dguitarbite | *challenges to face. | 06:25 |
| loquacities | so how does the parser show that it's passed/failed? | 06:25 |
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| dguitarbite | So, I will be writing custom exception class which invokes/throws exceptions at different points. This should allow us to add some strings to give failure indications. | 06:26 |
| loquacities | right | 06:26 |
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| dguitarbite | https://github.com/dguitarbite/rst2bash/blob/master/parser.py#L271 | 06:26 |
| dguitarbite | Something on a similar line. | 06:27 |
| loquacities | right, makes sense | 06:27 |
| loquacities | cool! i'm really excited about this :) | 06:27 |
| dguitarbite | There is another change that I would like to introduce. To create a variables file at the start of the install guides. | 06:27 |
| dguitarbite | Me too :). | 06:27 |
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| AJaeger | sorry for coming late to the party | 06:28 |
| dguitarbite | This variables file should allow us to keep things flexible and use the variables like $keystone_user_password etc. | 06:28 |
| dguitarbite | AJaeger: hi | 06:28 |
| dguitarbite | loquacities: Something like this but more user friendly: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/training-labs/tree/labs/osbash/config/credentials | 06:30 |
| loquacities | oh, that's clever | 06:30 |
| dguitarbite | So for the users, they can copy paste this at the start of the install guides or just use their values when they see $nova_admin_password. | 06:30 |
| loquacities | yeah, like a kickstart | 06:31 |
| dguitarbite | loquacities: Yes. | 06:31 |
| loquacities | very cool :) | 06:31 |
| dguitarbite | I want to finish it soon :). | 06:31 |
| AJaeger | agreed | 06:31 |
| AJaeger | please do ;) | 06:31 |
| loquacities | +1 :) | 06:31 |
| dguitarbite | AJaeger: Haha, yes. | 06:31 |
| loquacities | ok, any other business? | 06:32 |
| loquacities | #topic other business | 06:32 |
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| dguitarbite | loquacities: I cannot find the wiki page we use to track the progress of install-guides. | 06:32 |
| loquacities | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/NewtonDocTesting | 06:32 |
| dguitarbite | loquacities: And also for working on SLE/openSUSE, I would like to start fixing it from next week. | 06:33 |
| loquacities | that'd be great :) | 06:33 |
| loquacities | i'm hoping to have everything (well, as much as possible) tested by the end of september | 06:33 |
| dguitarbite | But I am not yet sure if the packages for any of these distros are already shipping Newton. | 06:33 |
| loquacities | that's a week before release day | 06:33 |
| loquacities | i haven't got an update on suse packages, yet | 06:33 |
| dguitarbite | Update as in reply to your email on docs ML? | 06:34 |
| AJaeger | dguitarbite: our SUSE packages are ready, aren't they? | 06:34 |
| loquacities | yeah | 06:34 |
| dguitarbite | AJaeger Yes, we have it as master branch for sure. | 06:34 |
| loquacities | AJaeger: if that's true, can you post something to the ML? | 06:35 |
| dguitarbite | Not sure about the other distros though. | 06:35 |
| loquacities | i have b2 repos for debian and ubuntu | 06:35 |
| AJaeger | dguitarbite: can you send the email with details, please? You're closer to that | 06:35 |
| loquacities | nothing for rhel yet | 06:35 |
| dguitarbite | AJaeger: Yes, for sure. Shall I send it over the Docs ML itself? | 06:35 |
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| loquacities | you can reply to my email, subject "Install Guide Testing in 3 ... 2 ..." | 06:36 |
| loquacities | that way it's all together | 06:36 |
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| dguitarbite | loquacities: Done. | 06:36 |
| loquacities | yay! | 06:36 |
| loquacities | thanks :) | 06:36 |
| loquacities | ok, thanks for a great meeting everyone (despite the slow start!) | 06:36 |
| strigazi | bye | 06:37 |
| dguitarbite | bye | 06:37 |
| loquacities | cya o/ | 06:37 |
| loquacities | #endmeeting | 06:37 |
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| AJaeger | bye | 06:37 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 30 06:37:40 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 06:37 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docinstallteam/2016/docinstallteam.2016-08-30-06.09.html | 06:37 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docinstallteam/2016/docinstallteam.2016-08-30-06.09.txt | 06:37 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docinstallteam/2016/docinstallteam.2016-08-30-06.09.log.html | 06:37 |
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| saggi | Karbor team! Rise from your grave! | 09:00 |
| saggi | #startmeeting karbor | 09:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 30 09:00:20 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is saggi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: karbor)" | 09:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'karbor' | 09:00 |
| saggi | Hi everyone | 09:00 |
| xiangxinyong456 | hello | 09:00 |
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| yuval | hey | 09:00 |
| Leon_Wang | hello | 09:00 |
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| saggi | Are we waiting for anyone? | 09:01 |
| zhonghua-lee | hi | 09:01 |
| saggi | I haven't seen yinwei in meetings for a while | 09:01 |
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| saggi | OK | 09:02 |
| saggi | #topic Delete 'crontab' time format for time trigger, and support RFC2445 (zengchen) | 09:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Delete 'crontab' time format for time trigger, and support RFC2445 (zengchen) (Meeting topic: karbor)" | 09:03 | |
| saggi | zengchen is not here. | 09:03 |
| yuval | pinged him in channel | 09:03 |
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| zengchen | sorry i am late | 09:03 |
| saggi | What about $topic? | 09:04 |
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| zengchen | delete crontab time format and support rfc2445 only. | 09:05 |
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| saggi | why remove the existing one. Why not have both? | 09:05 |
| saggi | zengchen ? | 09:05 |
| zengchen | from the point of user, he don't care use which format to describe the time. | 09:05 |
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| zengchen | and from the point of horizon, it use only one time format. | 09:06 |
| chenying__ | hi | 09:06 |
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| zhonghua-lee | zengchen: can I say crontabl is part of RFC2445? | 09:06 |
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| zengchen | zhonghua-lee:RFC2445 is enough, and more appropriate than crontab. | 09:07 |
| zhonghua-lee | zengchen: so, could you please simplly explain the difference "crontab" and RFC 2445, I think some guys confuse this | 09:08 |
| zengchen | zhuanghua-lee:ok | 09:08 |
| zhonghua-lee | zengchen: thanks | 09:09 |
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| chenying__ | delete crontab. I think it is ok. | 09:10 |
| zengchen | IMO, crontab can be used in simple use cases, and can not describe more complex time than rfc2445. | 09:10 |
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| saggi | xiangxinyong456: What about UI for this ?\ | 09:10 |
| xiangxinyong456 | if crontab is deleted，I guess we need to do some work in horizon | 09:11 |
| zengchen | xiangxinyong456:whatever use rfc2445 or crontab or others, horizon should choose one from them. | 09:12 |
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| xiangxinyong456 | yeah we have already use crontab. | 09:12 |
| xiangxinyong456 | why not keep the crontab? | 09:13 |
| zengchen | xiangxinyong456:if so, we would better choose an appropriate one. | 09:13 |
| zhonghua-lee | xiangxinyong456: can UI support both of them? | 09:13 |
| xiangxinyong456 | zhonghua-lee: it is not neccerray | 09:13 |
| saggi | It's just a metter of having a format combo box | 09:13 |
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| yuval | IMO we should keep support for crontab for now. Later we can decide to change the UI for iCal and maybe remove crontab | 09:14 |
| chenying__ | chenzeng think crontab format is port of rfc2245 time format. | 09:14 |
| chenying__ | part | 09:14 |
| xiangxinyong456 | but the user does not care whether we use crontab or rfc | 09:14 |
| saggi | xiangxinyong456: They have different features | 09:15 |
| xiangxinyong456 | yeah | 09:15 |
| zhonghua-lee | xiangxinyong456: if users do not care, why to change the UI? | 09:15 |
| zengchen | chenying__:I don't know whether crontab is part of rfc, I think if we want to support more complex time format, it better to use rfc. | 09:15 |
| saggi | So they need different UIs for the different limitations\features | 09:15 |
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| xiangxinyong456 | but we should users evevy day,every week, like this | 09:16 |
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| xiangxinyong456 | the ui is the same | 09:16 |
| saggi | zengchen: We are not arguing with that. But since we have the option to specify time format we can have both for now. We just need to make sure we have a proper UI for both. | 09:16 |
| xiangxinyong456 | but we need to do some transform between ui and time format | 09:16 |
| xiangxinyong456 | the ui is same | 09:17 |
| zengchen | saggi:but i think we don't need to add a box for user to choose time format, they don't care. | 09:17 |
| xiangxinyong456 | zengchen: +1 | 09:17 |
| saggi | zengchen: I understand | 09:17 |
| saggi | OK, than just make sure the UI moves to the new format as well. | 09:18 |
| xiangxinyong456 | yeah | 09:18 |
| zengchen | saggi:at present, zhangshuai has submitted a patch to support rfc2445, so the last work is about UI. | 09:19 |
| saggi | great | 09:19 |
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| zhangshuai___ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/359711 | 09:20 |
| zengchen | saggi:so we change to rfc some time later? | 09:20 |
| xiangxinyong456 | <yuval> IMO we should keep support for crontab for now. Later we can decide to change the UI for iCal and maybe remove crontab | 09:20 |
| saggi | zengchen: When the UI changes | 09:20 |
| xiangxinyong456 | i agree yuval | 09:20 |
| zengchen | saggi & xiangxinyong456:ok | 09:20 |
| zhangshuai___ | +1 | 09:21 |
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| xiangxinyong456 | if the rfc is stable, we could move into it in the ui | 09:21 |
| saggi | OK, than we have both for now and try and migrate the default to be rfc2245 | 09:21 |
| xiangxinyong456 | no problem | 09:22 |
| zengchen | saggi:great. | 09:22 |
| saggi | #topic Rename window September 2nd (yuvalbr) | 09:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Rename window September 2nd (yuvalbr) (Meeting topic: karbor)" | 09:22 | |
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| yuval | Well, infra team has designated September 2nd for the rename window | 09:22 |
| yuval | it means a downtime for gerrit | 09:22 |
| yuval | after that, smaug repositories will be renamed to karbor | 09:23 |
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| saggi | We need to be ready with patches to commit so that after the switch we can immediately fix all the paths and make sure everything still works. | 09:23 |
| xiangxinyong456 | good news | 09:23 |
| yuval | the rename window happens on Friday | 09:24 |
| yuval | also, all our communications move to #openstack-karbor | 09:25 |
| xiangxinyong456 | ok | 09:25 |
| zhangshuai___ | ok | 09:25 |
| yuval | that's it | 09:26 |
| zengchen | yuval:all patches should be merged before that. | 09:26 |
| yuval | zengchen: which patches? | 09:27 |
| zengchen | not merge now | 09:27 |
| yuval | zengchen: what? | 09:27 |
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| zengchen | yuval:for example, the patches are reviewing now should be merged before that time. | 09:29 |
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| yuval | zengchen: the rename shouldn't affect patches pending review | 09:30 |
| saggi | They will move to the new repo | 09:30 |
| zengchen | yuval:ok | 09:30 |
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| saggi | That whole point of the downtime is to migrate all of the information | 09:31 |
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| zengchen | saggi:so we should spend more time to review patches, right? | 09:31 |
| saggi | zengchen: You should always do that :) | 09:32 |
| zengchen | saggi:ok, understand. | 09:32 |
| yuval | zengchen: anything specific? | 09:32 |
| zengchen | yuval:i have several patches pending review, so i have a little worry. | 09:32 |
| yuval | zengchen: I see most of them had a new version in the latest day. are they stable now? | 09:33 |
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| zengchen | yuval: most of them is stable, i am trying to submit a patch about updating scheduled operation. | 09:35 |
| yuval | zengchen: if something is not stable, mark with workflow -1, so we'll know to wait with the review | 09:35 |
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| zengchen | yuval:understand, i will do it. thank you. | 09:36 |
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| saggi | OK | 09:37 |
| saggi | #topic open discussion | 09:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: karbor)" | 09:37 | |
| saggi | Anything else? | 09:37 |
| saggi | Just be ready to be on call on Friday in case something goes wrong and the infra guys needs us | 09:39 |
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| Leon_Wang | hi,i''m a new guy and want to be a contributor,can anyone give some tips on it? | 09:40 |
| saggi | Leon_Wang: Sure | 09:40 |
| yuval | Leon_Wang: welcome! :) | 09:40 |
| Leon_Wang | saggi:thanks | 09:40 |
| saggi | What area do you want to contribute to | 09:40 |
| zengchen | Leon_Wang:welcome. | 09:40 |
| xiangxinyong456 | welcome leon | 09:40 |
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| chenying__ | welcome | 09:40 |
| Leon_Wang | saggi:karbor,of course:) | 09:41 |
| Leon_Wang | everyone thank | 09:41 |
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| zengchen | Leon_Wang:maybe you can see the wiki first. if you have any problem. you can ask in our chanel. | 09:42 |
| Leon_Wang | now i'm learning to know something about code review | 09:42 |
| Leon_Wang | zengchen:yeah,working on it | 09:43 |
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| zengchen | Leon_Wang:good. then you can read our codes. karbor have 3 componets, you can choose one to see. | 09:44 |
| Leon_Wang | is it nessary for me to get familiar with the concrete code? | 09:45 |
| saggi | Leon_Wang: What do you want to do? Is there any feature you need or bug you want to fix? | 09:45 |
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| Leon_Wang | saggi:right now i think i only can do code review | 09:46 |
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| saggi | Leon_Wang: Go for it! | 09:47 |
| Leon_Wang | saggi:but i want to fix bugs or even some feature later | 09:47 |
| saggi | Sure | 09:47 |
| saggi | We are all in #openstack-smaug or #openstack-karbor if you have any questions | 09:47 |
| saggi | Thanks everyone | 09:47 |
| saggi | #endmeeting | 09:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 09:47 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 30 09:47:58 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/karbor/2016/karbor.2016-08-30-09.00.html | 09:48 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/karbor/2016/karbor.2016-08-30-09.00.txt | 09:48 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/karbor/2016/karbor.2016-08-30-09.00.log.html | 09:48 |
| Leon_Wang | saggi:ok,thanks alot | 09:48 |
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| Qiming | #startmeeting senlin | 12:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 30 12:59:57 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Qiming. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 12:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 12:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: senlin)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'senlin' | 13:00 |
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| Qiming | evening | 13:00 |
| yanyanhu | hi | 13:01 |
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| Qiming | hi, wait a few minutes and see if anyone else is joining | 13:01 |
| yanyanhu | ok | 13:01 |
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| elynn | o/ | 13:03 |
| yanyanhu | hi, elynn | 13:03 |
| Qiming | hi, elynn and guoshan | 13:03 |
| Qiming | not sure if others are joining | 13:03 |
| Qiming | let's get started | 13:03 |
| Qiming | #topic newton work items | 13:03 |
| qwebirc78218 | hello | 13:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "newton work items (Meeting topic: senlin)" | 13:03 | |
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| Qiming | hi, qwebirc78218 | 13:03 |
| yanyanhu | hi, qwebirc78218 | 13:03 |
| Qiming | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/senlin-newton-workitems | 13:03 |
| Qiming | performance testing, any progress? | 13:04 |
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| yanyanhu | yes | 13:04 |
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| yanyanhu | roman has put +2 on the profile context patch | 13:04 |
| yanyanhu | need another +2 and workflow | 13:04 |
| Qiming | need to ping rally core? | 13:04 |
| yanyanhu | once this patch is merged, will add context for cluster as well | 13:04 |
| yanyanhu | Qiming, yes, maybe wait for another one or two days | 13:05 |
| Qiming | okay | 13:05 |
| Qiming | integration test side, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/354566/ | 13:05 |
| yanyanhu | good news is it works now | 13:05 |
| Qiming | still waiting for another core to approve | 13:05 |
| yanyanhu | Qiming, yes, for adding zaqar support | 13:05 |
| yanyanhu | but at least we can rely on it to make some basic verifications | 13:05 |
| Qiming | okay, that is not urgent | 13:05 |
| yanyanhu | yes | 13:06 |
| Qiming | basic verification passed, that is great | 13:06 |
| yanyanhu | yep | 13:06 |
| Qiming | health policy side | 13:06 |
| Qiming | LB based health detection is still not there | 13:06 |
| Qiming | not sure if xinhui is still pushing it | 13:06 |
| Qiming | she has been working on fencing nova compute host | 13:07 |
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| Qiming | experimenting with IPMI drivers | 13:07 |
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| Qiming | the only problem in that direction is nova is not emitting a notification if nova-compute is down | 13:07 |
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| Qiming | there are notifications if the compute service is shut down by operators, but if the compute host is down, there is no notification | 13:08 |
| Qiming | that is too bad | 13:08 |
| Qiming | so the only workaround, as of today, would be a poller | 13:08 |
| lixinhui_ | you have confirmed that | 13:09 |
| yanyanhu | poller sounds reasonable for this scenario | 13:09 |
| Qiming | so ... I'm not sure if we should (in Ocata release) make health manager a separate service | 13:09 |
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| Qiming | yes, lixinhui_, confirmed | 13:09 |
| Qiming | thanks for joining | 13:09 |
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| lixinhui_ | sorry for late | 13:09 |
| Qiming | that is a stupid design, hopefully we can help improve it if we get cycles | 13:09 |
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| Qiming | other improvements to health policy is about the recover/check workflow revision | 13:10 |
| Qiming | mostly are done now | 13:10 |
| Qiming | the policy can now suspend itself if node deletion was initiated from a RPC request instead of a failure detected | 13:11 |
| Qiming | that part is also done | 13:11 |
| Qiming | I was thinking of make the policy a little bit smarter | 13:11 |
| yanyanhu | great | 13:11 |
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| Qiming | if you look at this: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/senlin/tree/senlin/engine/health_manager.py#n61 | 13:12 |
| Qiming | when a node is down and get detected | 13:12 |
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| Qiming | we actually are sending this info as params when invoking the node_recover API | 13:12 |
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| Qiming | the policy can be improved to handle different 'event' and/or 'state' a little bit smarter | 13:13 |
| lixinhui_ | good point | 13:13 |
| Qiming | say if a node is in SHUTDOWN state, the policy can try just 'reboot' it | 13:13 |
| Qiming | or 'start' it | 13:13 |
| Qiming | this is still an imagination, have to wait for the nova server operations patch merged into sdk | 13:13 |
| Qiming | profile/policy version | 13:14 |
| Qiming | yanyan has been working on a 'workaround' | 13:14 |
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| yanyanhu | yes, basic versioning support for schema and spec has been there | 13:14 |
| Qiming | I'm calling it a 'workaround' because ... versioning is pretty big a problem to solve | 13:14 |
| Qiming | we'll get back to that later | 13:15 |
| yanyanhu | but I think we have a lot more detail to figure out before deciding how to support policy/profile version control | 13:15 |
| Qiming | container support | 13:15 |
| yanyanhu | yes | 13:15 |
| Qiming | correct | 13:15 |
| Qiming | haiwei's patch is finally in | 13:15 |
| yanyanhu | yes, long run... | 13:15 |
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| Qiming | he is now experimenting specifying a host_cluster when creating container clusters | 13:16 |
| Qiming | good luck ... | 13:16 |
| Qiming | with that work as a starting point, we may want to discuss how to proceed as next step | 13:16 |
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| Qiming | haven't got time to review his new spec proposal though | 13:16 |
| yanyanhu | better have a session in summit to discuss this topic | 13:17 |
| Qiming | but I'd like to call a cross project discussion with magnum/zun on this | 13:17 |
| Qiming | right | 13:17 |
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| yanyanhu | Qiming, sure, that will be the best | 13:17 |
| Qiming | receiver side, yanyan has been working on zaqar support | 13:17 |
| Qiming | please delete the items that are done | 13:18 |
| yanyanhu | Qiming, yes | 13:18 |
| yanyanhu | sure | 13:18 |
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| yanyanhu | the initial part has been merged today | 13:18 |
| Qiming | hopefully, zaqar can bring in a more secure, more flexible channel for users/services to send signals to senlin | 13:18 |
| yanyanhu | yes | 13:18 |
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| Qiming | that was another marathon | 13:19 |
| Qiming | okay, anything else on the etherpad page? | 13:19 |
| yanyanhu | looks so. hopefully we can have a basic version that works before cut our release | 13:19 |
| Qiming | this week is the week to cut newton-3 release | 13:19 |
| Qiming | I don't want to do it on Friday, too risky, when the gate is so jammed | 13:19 |
| yanyanhu | ah, hope to catch rc1 | 13:20 |
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| Qiming | we have the flexibility to merge more stable features in next few weeks | 13:20 |
| Qiming | because we don't have a huge pipeline for review/debate | 13:20 |
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| yanyanhu | good news | 13:21 |
| Qiming | okay, moving on to next topic | 13:21 |
| Qiming | #topic health checking update | 13:21 |
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| Qiming | em ... I have basically covered that | 13:21 |
| yanyanhu | yep | 13:21 |
| Qiming | mostly about the check/recover workflow and the handling of different actions in the policy | 13:21 |
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| Qiming | there is still a feature not implemented | 13:21 |
| Qiming | we were hoping that the recover action can be a list of operations for the profile to try | 13:22 |
| Qiming | currently, the profile (nova in particular) only understand REBUILD, and the generic profile only handles RECREATE | 13:22 |
| Qiming | that would be an interesting work for future | 13:23 |
| Qiming | evening, xuhaiwei_ | 13:23 |
| Qiming | #topic cluster status update | 13:23 |
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| xuhaiwei_ | hi, Qiming | 13:23 |
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| Qiming | if you are watching the gerrit notifications, you will notice that I have been working on cluster status update fix these two days | 13:23 |
| xuhaiwei_ | kept silent to not disturb you:) | 13:24 |
| Qiming | the basic idea is this: we will update cluster status, based on the status of the member nodes | 13:24 |
| Qiming | NOT based on the last operation performed on it | 13:24 |
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| Qiming | e.g. a CLUSTER_UPDATE operation may fail, but the cluster may still remain ACTIVE | 13:24 |
| Qiming | we have to differentiate this two things | 13:25 |
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| Qiming | A CLUSTER_SCALE_OUT may fail, but that failure is an action failure, it doesn't mean the cluster is not operable | 13:25 |
| Qiming | I think this series of patches is near an end | 13:26 |
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| Qiming | when making these changes, I also changed the modifcation of 'desired_capacity' | 13:26 |
| Qiming | we were changing the 'desired_capacity' after an action is completed, but that is WRONG | 13:27 |
| Qiming | it has been reported several times | 13:27 |
| yanyanhu | yes, saw that patch, that is reasonable | 13:27 |
| yanyanhu | especially from ha perspective | 13:27 |
| Qiming | so I was also making that happen before the action is executed | 13:27 |
| Qiming | when a request arrives, the user's expectation is the desired_capacity | 13:27 |
| Qiming | if the engine failes to perform the action, it should not change user's expectation | 13:28 |
| Qiming | that was a simple logic, but we unfortunately learned it in a hard way | 13:28 |
| Qiming | questions/comments on this? | 13:28 |
| Qiming | seems a no | 13:29 |
| qwebirc78218 | sorry to break | 13:29 |
| qwebirc78218 | can i ask a question | 13:29 |
| Qiming | sure | 13:29 |
| qwebirc78218 | last time, i create a node but failed | 13:29 |
| qwebirc78218 | so i recovered it | 13:29 |
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| qwebirc78218 | but the desire capacity is still 0 | 13:30 |
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| Qiming | yep, that is exactly one of the problems we are fixing | 13:30 |
| qwebirc78218 | is that should be 1 | 13:30 |
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| Qiming | when you are creating a node, the desired capacity should be incremented by 1 | 13:31 |
| qwebirc78218 | okey, thanks for answering | 13:31 |
| Qiming | even if the node creation was a failure | 13:31 |
| Qiming | 'increment the cluster size by one', that is the user's (your) desire | 13:31 |
| Qiming | we should handle it differently | 13:31 |
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| Qiming | thanks for brining this up | 13:31 |
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| Qiming | moving on | 13:32 |
| Qiming | #topic ocata design summit sessions | 13:32 |
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| Qiming | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-senlin-sessions | 13:32 |
| yanyanhu | have put my name on profile/policy versioning | 13:33 |
| Qiming | I was just dumping some topics above my head | 13:33 |
| Qiming | policy/profile versioning definitely needs some discussion | 13:33 |
| Qiming | even before/after that session | 13:33 |
| yanyanhu | yes | 13:33 |
| Qiming | maybe combined with Topic 4 | 13:33 |
| Qiming | "versioned everything" | 13:34 |
| yanyanhu | Qiming, yes, topic 4 can be a extentional discussion | 13:34 |
| Qiming | yep, we cannot finish that in one session | 13:34 |
| Qiming | maybe we need two slots | 13:34 |
| yanyanhu | yes, if we have enough time slot | 13:34 |
| Qiming | topic 2 is about health | 13:34 |
| Qiming | we have some preliminary support now, next step is to make it work in production environments | 13:35 |
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| Qiming | it is a huge problem space | 13:35 |
| Qiming | we have to brainstorm the working items and prioritize them | 13:35 |
| Qiming | maybe involve a congress extension or mistral workflow | 13:36 |
| Qiming | i just don't now | 13:36 |
| Qiming | s/now/know | 13:36 |
| Qiming | the 3rd topic I can think of is about container clustering | 13:36 |
| Qiming | haiwei has set a stage for us, where are we heading next? | 13:37 |
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| xuhaiwei_ | Maybe I can be the driver | 13:37 |
| Qiming | that would be excellent | 13:37 |
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| xuhaiwei_ | I didn't spend enough time on it up to now, will try to do more things before the summit | 13:37 |
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| Qiming | so ... | 13:38 |
| Qiming | any more ideas you can think of? | 13:38 |
| xuhaiwei_ | first should let the container going | 13:38 |
| Qiming | or we can just let ttx know that we need 4 working sessions? | 13:39 |
| yanyanhu | I guess another topic may worth to discuss is cluster do operation? | 13:39 |
| Qiming | okay | 13:39 |
| yanyanhu | altough we already have some basic idea for it. but may need to figure out the detail | 13:39 |
| yanyanhu | and also use case | 13:39 |
| Qiming | openstack cluster do reboot | 13:40 |
| xuhaiwei_ | I updated the spec a few days ago, hope you can review it https://review.openstack.org/#/c/281102/ | 13:40 |
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| Qiming | we already support 'openstack cluster run --script <script> --network private --address-type private --identity-file <file> --user fedora <cluster_name> | 13:41 |
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| Qiming | terribly sorry, haiwei, will jump onto it tomorrow | 13:41 |
| xuhaiwei_ | ok | 13:41 |
| Qiming | cluster do is more about actions supported by a profile type | 13:41 |
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| yanyanhu | yes, maybe we can support cluster run with a template as input :) | 13:42 |
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| yanyanhu | to improve the convenience | 13:42 |
| Qiming | you will create several apis to manage the scripts | 13:43 |
| yanyanhu | Qiming, or maybe just a client side support | 13:43 |
| yanyanhu | to avoid enforcing user define too many parameters in command line | 13:43 |
| Qiming | it is the same | 13:43 |
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| Qiming | just ... where you are putting your parameters | 13:44 |
| yanyanhu | yes | 13:44 |
| yanyanhu | seems so | 13:44 |
| Qiming | if you tried 'glance image-create', you know what I mean | 13:44 |
| yanyanhu | yea | 13:44 |
| Qiming | so, please feel free to add items to the agenda | 13:45 |
| yanyanhu | sure | 13:45 |
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| Qiming | I'll review the etherpad tomorrow and conclude with a number to feedback ttx | 13:45 |
| yanyanhu | will think about it | 13:45 |
| Qiming | thanks | 13:45 |
| Qiming | #topic open discussion | 13:45 |
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| Qiming | we are freezing senlinclient this week | 13:46 |
| Qiming | any topics/patches you want to merge before we cut a release? | 13:47 |
| yanyanhu | Qiming, the message receiver support has been there, no more item from my side | 13:47 |
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| Qiming | one thing I can think of is about dumping out the action ID for all requests that return a pointer to the action | 13:47 |
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| Qiming | we were not so consistent on this before, there have been some complaints on this | 13:48 |
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| Qiming | sometimes we say "request accepted", sometimes we say "request accepted by actoin <action id>" | 13:48 |
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| Qiming | that is something we can improve | 13:49 |
| Qiming | also the 'deprecation warning' is a little bit confusing | 13:49 |
| Qiming | we can explicitly say WHEN it will deprecate | 13:49 |
| Qiming | it should be April 2017 | 13:49 |
| Qiming | two cycles | 13:49 |
| Qiming | and we will get back the '--profile' option from openstackclient | 13:50 |
| Qiming | by then | 13:50 |
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| Qiming | anything else? | 13:50 |
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| Qiming | seems we are done? | 13:51 |
| yanyanhu | nope | 13:51 |
| xuhaiwei_ | no | 13:51 |
| Qiming | thanks for joining, everyone | 13:51 |
| yanyanhu | thanks, have a good night | 13:51 |
| Qiming | wish you all a sweet dream and a wet bed | 13:51 |
| xuhaiwei_ | thanks | 13:51 |
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| Qiming | bye | 13:52 |
| yanyanhu | :) | 13:52 |
| Qiming | #endmeeting | 13:52 |
| xuhaiwei_ | bye | 13:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 30 13:52:08 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2016/senlin.2016-08-30-12.59.html | 13:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2016/senlin.2016-08-30-12.59.txt | 13:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2016/senlin.2016-08-30-12.59.log.html | 13:52 |
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| ihrachys | #startmeeting networking | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 30 14:00:18 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ihrachys. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 14:00 |
| ihrachys | hi all | 14:00 |
| njohnston | o/ | 14:00 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 14:00 |
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| amotoki | o/ | 14:00 |
| jlibosva | \o | 14:00 |
| jschwarz | \o/ | 14:00 |
| * ihrachys letting the dust to settle | 14:00 | |
| hoangcx | hi | 14:00 |
| haleyb | hi | 14:00 |
| hichihara | hi | 14:00 |
| HenryG | o/ | 14:00 |
| * john-davidge stirs the dust | 14:00 | |
| ihrachys | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings Agenda | 14:01 |
| electrocucaracha | 0/ | 14:01 |
| akamyshnikova | hi | 14:01 |
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| ihrachys | #topic Announcements | 14:01 |
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| andreas_s | o/ | 14:01 |
| ihrachys | I have a lot of announcements for everyone | 14:01 |
| * ihrachys looks where to start | 14:02 | |
| ihrachys | first order of business, we are approaching milestone3 cut-off | 14:02 |
| ihrachys | it should happen till Sep 1 | 14:02 |
| ihrachys | = this week | 14:02 |
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| ihrachys | release gods are to prepare release request in due course | 14:02 |
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| ihrachys | same goes for the client, same deadline | 14:03 |
| ihrachys | amotoki already pushed a release request: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/362880/ | 14:03 |
| jschwarz | :Qa! | 14:03 |
| jschwarz | oops :P | 14:03 |
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| ihrachys | after the milestone3 cut-off, the branch will be strictly monitored not to allow any breakage in | 14:04 |
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| ihrachys | the only things to be allowed after it happens are bug fixes, doc cleanups, plus things that happen to get an FFE (feature freeze exception) approved | 14:04 |
| ihrachys | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-August/102321.html Armando email on the matter and the process | 14:04 |
| ihrachys | the process to apply for FFE is by updating the post mortem document Armando spun up: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/360207/ | 14:05 |
| ihrachys | even if you don't have an exception to request (huge thanks for that!), you should still follow the link and update it with comments on features you led or helped with or just happen to know details about | 14:06 |
| ihrachys | it will be of enormous help for PTL and other folks involved in release process if the review is updated with latest state for all tracked bits | 14:06 |
| ihrachys | the next events ahead are, RC1 and stable/newton branches' creation | 14:07 |
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| ihrachys | that will happen some time 2 weeks+ from now | 14:07 |
| ihrachys | more details at: https://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html | 14:07 |
| ihrachys | once stable/newton is cut-off, master is open for Ocata development and everyone can proceed merging featureful patches. | 14:07 |
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| ihrachys | so, we have 2 weeks of master being kinda locked for anything but release critical | 14:08 |
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| HenryG | Are any outstanding DB migrations still hoping to get into Newton? | 14:08 |
| ihrachys | cores, make sure you ain't land crap | 14:08 |
| ihrachys | HenryG: are you intending to tag the latest migrations with Newton? | 14:08 |
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| jschwarz | HenryG, yes | 14:09 |
| ihrachys | HenryG: I think there are patches in flight that should land in Newton that happen to touch schema, I suggest we wait a week or so | 14:09 |
| jschwarz | HenryG, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/357965/10 | 14:09 |
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| HenryG | I usually do the tagging quite late. | 14:09 |
| amotoki | HenryG: what repos do you plan to cover? neutron, lbaas, fwaas, vpnaas and dynamic-routing? | 14:09 |
| ihrachys | good news we have a pre-release check list now: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/neutron/policies/release-checklist.html | 14:10 |
| ihrachys | we will follow the list during the upcoming weeks to make sure nothing is left behind | 14:10 |
| HenryG | amotoki: Good question. It may also be a good point to stop this tagging that no one uses as far as I know. | 14:10 |
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| amotoki | I am not sure no one uses it. do we hear it from operators? | 14:11 |
| ihrachys | HenryG: The question is more about the contract we happened to define and whether we can break it. | 14:11 |
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| ihrachys | HenryG: a good start to stop doing it would be reaching out ops and deployment tools teams | 14:12 |
| ihrachys | for N, it will need to happen anyhow | 14:12 |
| HenryG | ihrachys: ack | 14:12 |
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| ihrachys | the last thing to note, we had a midcycle, and Armando with the help of his minions prepared a report | 14:13 |
| ihrachys | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-August/102366.html | 14:13 |
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| ihrachys | everyone is encouraged to comment on the thread | 14:13 |
| ihrachys | I think it captures most prominent discussions that happened during the event rather neatly, so please make use of it | 14:13 |
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| ihrachys | ok, announcements are done! | 14:14 |
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| ihrachys | #topic Blueprints | 14:14 |
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| ihrachys | not much to cover here, just a note that feature owners and approvers should update the dashboards for targeted features | 14:15 |
| ihrachys | #link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/newton-3 | 14:15 |
| ihrachys | also it's probably a good time to make more use of the dashboard to target and track bugs that we believe are release critical. | 14:15 |
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| ihrachys | reviewers, now that we cut off milestonel, please focus on bugs and FFEs in your reviews; other stuff should anyway be delayed to when the branch is open | 14:16 |
| ihrachys | #topic Bugs and Gate failures | 14:17 |
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| ihrachys | we had armax covering the bug deputy role for the last 2 weeks | 14:17 |
| ihrachys | well, actually 1.5 weeks. he told me he did not pay attention the last half of the last week :-| | 14:17 |
| njohnston | Yay armax! | 14:17 |
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| ihrachys | so we could have some bits falling thru cracks | 14:17 |
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| ihrachys | we really need a volunteer to cover for this week, atm we have no one | 14:18 |
| ihrachys | actually, we also need a volunteer for the next one too | 14:18 |
| ihrachys | don't be shy, raise your hands! | 14:18 |
| jschwarz | ihrachys, I'd like to volunteer for the next week | 14:18 |
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| ihrachys | jschwarz: Sep 5+ is yours! | 14:18 |
| jschwarz | ihrachys, yay! | 14:18 |
| ihrachys | who has capacity for this week? | 14:18 |
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| * HenryG watches the tumbleweeds rolling by | 14:20 | |
| haleyb | i can do the rest of this week, but monday is a holiday around here | 14:20 |
| ihrachys | it's very important to have someone covering during pre-release weeks | 14:20 |
| ihrachys | haleyb: next Monday? | 14:20 |
| haleyb | yes | 14:21 |
| jschwarz | haleyb, Monday is mine! ^_^ | 14:21 |
| ihrachys | haleyb: that's ok, jschwarz starts on Sun :) | 14:21 |
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| haleyb | good, i figured i had until the meeting | 14:21 |
| ihrachys | jschwarz: haleyb: thanks folks, you rock. please one of you, update the agenda page with the set dates. | 14:21 |
| jschwarz | on it | 14:21 |
| ihrachys | haleyb: if possible, you may look at what happened the last Thu-Fri since those may be without coverage. | 14:22 |
| ihrachys | thanks again for all the volunteers. | 14:22 |
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| ihrachys | now that we approach release, we should also keep an eye on deprecation bugs: | 14:23 |
| ihrachys | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.tag=deprecation | 14:23 |
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| ihrachys | if something should be deprecated in N, it's the time to do it, otherwise a thing prolonges till O | 14:23 |
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| ihrachys | also, we should really start cleaning up all the automatically created doc bugs we have on our plate: | 14:24 |
| ihrachys | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.tag=doc | 14:24 |
| ihrachys | please folks, walk thru the list and assign yourself to relevant bits, and make them happen before N final. We should have the best docs. :) | 14:25 |
| ihrachys | I believe best candidates for those doc bugs are authors of patches that triggered their creation in the first place | 14:25 |
| ihrachys | you may need to update openstack-manuals or neutron-lib (api-ref) or devref, depending on the kind of the bug. | 14:25 |
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| john-davidge | ihrachys: Is there a way to modify the script to auto-assign them it that way? Could a a useful future improvement | 14:26 |
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| ihrachys | john-davidge: I guess it's a matter of some patch in infra repos | 14:26 |
| ihrachys | john-davidge: you are obviously welcome to start it, or discussion on openstack-dev@ | 14:26 |
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| * john-davidge will do some digging | 14:26 | |
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| ihrachys | I suspect that it may be a lot easier to do for someone already involved in the repos | 14:27 |
| ihrachys | john-davidge: thanks! | 14:27 |
| ihrachys | the last bugs list to keep an eye on is gate failures: | 14:27 |
| ihrachys | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.tag=gate-failure | 14:27 |
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| ihrachys | looks like we don't have anyone working on first two | 14:28 |
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| ihrachys | would be great to have someone digging those so that we proactively keep our gate in order during next weeks. | 14:29 |
| ihrachys | speaking of gate... we may have some work to do to clean up our logs before release | 14:29 |
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| ihrachys | we looked at current service logs from full job yesterday, and those look quite bad. | 14:29 |
| ihrachys | tracebacks, deadlocks, irrelevant warnings | 14:30 |
| * ihrachys digs for a link | 14:30 | |
| ihrachys | example: http://logs.openstack.org/30/271830/10/check/gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-full-ubuntu-xenial/52ca52d/logs/screen-q-svc.txt.gz?level=TRACE | 14:30 |
| ihrachys | I'd like to remind that openstack logging guidelines require that no tracebacks are shown in logs | 14:30 |
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| ihrachys | for one, that deadlock/InternalError red thing, it seems relevant to provision blocks and standardattributes. | 14:31 |
| ihrachys | kevinbenton: did you happen to look at those? | 14:31 |
| ihrachys | I also see ipam mentioned in deadlock failures. | 14:32 |
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| ihrachys | so carl_baldwin may also be interested | 14:32 |
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| ihrachys | another case to look at is this traceback: http://logs.openstack.org/30/271830/10/check/gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-full-ubuntu-xenial/52ca52d/logs/screen-q-svc.txt.gz?level=TRACE#_2016-08-29_11_27_28_095 | 14:32 |
| haleyb | ihrachys: there were a couple patches last night to deal with dhcp traces | 14:32 |
| ihrachys | is it a negative test triggering the traceback? we may have some work to do to sanitize the exception | 14:33 |
| ihrachys | haleyb: cool. links? | 14:33 |
| haleyb | two were merged, let me find links | 14:33 |
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| amotoki | i think https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1618216 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1618187 | 14:34 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1618216 in neutron "dhcp agent RPC handler doesn't retry DBError" [High,Fix released] - Assigned to Kevin Benton (kevinbenton) | 14:34 |
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| openstack | Launchpad bug 1618187 in neutron "InvalidInput exceptions from DHCP RPC handler" [High,Fix released] - Assigned to Kevin Benton (kevinbenton) | 14:34 |
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| haleyb | https://review.openstack.org/362458 | 14:34 |
| haleyb | and https://review.openstack.org/362343 | 14:34 |
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| ihrachys | ok, cool. I have a more recent one here: http://logs.openstack.org/74/362774/1/check/gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-full-ubuntu-xenial/c4a8799/logs/screen-q-svc.txt.gz?level=TRACE | 14:34 |
| haleyb | yes, those two, but i think the underlyng bug is still there, can't tell yet | 14:35 |
| * ihrachys notes that he should look at 'Failed to determine MTU for segment None:None; network 694e0047-c236-4fb4-9070-4e33d12c6c2b MTU calculation may be not accurate' thingy. haven't seen it before. | 14:35 | |
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| ihrachys | also still seeing pymysql.err.IntegrityError in ipam code at: http://logs.openstack.org/74/362774/1/check/gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-full-ubuntu-xenial/c4a8799/logs/screen-q-svc.txt.gz?level=TRACE#_2016-08-30_11_03_10_703 | 14:35 |
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| ihrachys | ok, I just wanted everyone to be aware that's part of release process that logs should be clean | 14:36 |
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| ihrachys | there are some gate news that may be worth mentioning too | 14:37 |
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| ihrachys | jlibosva has a controversial patch adding scenarios job to the gate (or reusing existing one to run those tests): https://review.openstack.org/355344 | 14:38 |
| jlibosva | controversial? :) | 14:38 |
| ihrachys | looks like people have OPINIONS! :) | 14:38 |
| ihrachys | also of note, we now gate neutronclient on stable branches of neutron: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/361603/ | 14:39 |
| ihrachys | there are also Xenial based jobs baking for functional/fullstack: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/359843/ | 14:39 |
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| ihrachys | the latter should give us ovs 2.5 from apt repos, not through compilation | 14:39 |
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| ihrachys | ok, let's move thru specific topics | 14:40 |
| ihrachys | #topic Transition to OSC | 14:40 |
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| ihrachys | rtheis: your stage? | 14:40 |
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| rtheis | status update from midcycle is available via armax's email | 14:40 |
| ihrachys | rtheis: where do we stand Newton release wise? | 14:41 |
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| ihrachys | rtheis: f.e. we have some qos patches in OSC. would they land if ready? | 14:41 |
| rtheis | OSC is working on 3.x release stability so new function merges are on hold until that is complete | 14:41 |
| ihrachys | I see. so we proceed with neutronclient and maybe in Ocata we land OSC bits. | 14:42 |
| rtheis | the qos patches can proceed and land in the next osc release | 14:42 |
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| ihrachys | rtheis: thanks for the update | 14:42 |
| ihrachys | #topic Keystone v3 | 14:42 |
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| ihrachys | dasm: you're up | 14:42 |
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| ihrachys | anyone except dasm aware of the state of affairs? how close are we? any remaining bits to land? | 14:43 |
| ihrachys | I see this WIP https://review.openstack.org/#/c/357977/ | 14:44 |
| ihrachys | it does not seem really ready. I wonder whether it means it slips into O | 14:44 |
| ihrachys | ok, moving on | 14:44 |
| ihrachys | #topic Neutron-lib | 14:44 |
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| ihrachys | boden: care to update? :) | 14:45 |
| boden | neutron-lib 0.4.0 was recently released to pypi | 14:45 |
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| amotoki | and stable/newton branch has been created. | 14:46 |
| HenryG | Yes, 0.4.0 will most likely be the "Newton version" of the lib | 14:46 |
| HenryG | We haven't spotted any issues yet. | 14:46 |
| boden | I would encourage folks to take a spin through the neutron-lib reviews if they get time | 14:46 |
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| boden | HenryG: anything else noteworthy? | 14:47 |
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| amotoki | I am looking thru api-ref cleanup patches but it is not so fast.. let me give some more time. | 14:47 |
| ihrachys | amotoki: that work is not blocked by release times, right? | 14:48 |
| ihrachys | it's docs only, so should be always ok to land | 14:48 |
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| amotoki | ihrachys: yes. it is not a release blocker | 14:48 |
| ihrachys | great. | 14:48 |
| ihrachys | #topic Open Floor | 14:48 |
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| amotoki | it is what we want to have before release though | 14:48 |
| ihrachys | I am looking thru on demand agenda, nothing new pops out | 14:48 |
| ihrachys | anyone has a topic interesting to the team to raise? | 14:49 |
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| boden | next monday is holidy in US | 14:49 |
| boden | s/holidy/holiday/g | 14:50 |
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| njohnston | so the next of these meetings will be lightly attended | 14:50 |
| dasanind_ | ihrachys: there are some patches related to centralize config options with +2s do you think they will make it in N release | 14:50 |
| ihrachys | dasanind_: that's a question to ask the approver. I don't personally think it's release critical, probably best effort. | 14:50 |
| ihrachys | does it mean we should cancel the next meeting? | 14:51 |
| ihrachys | I will leave it up to armax to decide though. | 14:51 |
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| ihrachys | ok, I guess we'll call it a day. stay tuned, be aware of release implications, and behave. | 14:51 |
| ihrachys | #endmeeting | 14:51 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 30 14:51:37 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2016/networking.2016-08-30-14.00.html | 14:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2016/networking.2016-08-30-14.00.txt | 14:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2016/networking.2016-08-30-14.00.log.html | 14:51 |
| jlibosva | bye | 14:51 |
| * njohnston considers behaving a "stretch goal" | 14:52 | |
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| carl_baldwin | o/ | 15:01 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 15:01 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: Is it just us? | 15:01 |
| xiaohhui | hi | 15:01 |
| john-davidge | o/ | 15:01 |
| carl_baldwin | xiaohhui: john-davidge: hi | 15:01 |
| haleyb | hi | 15:02 |
| mlavalle | no, the usual band of fans are here :-) | 15:02 |
| john-davidge | carl_baldwin: hey | 15:02 |
| john-davidge | mlavalle: :) | 15:02 |
| carl_baldwin | #startmeeting neutron_routed_networks | 15:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 30 15:02:21 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is carl_baldwin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_routed_networks' | 15:02 |
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| carl_baldwin | This could be short, I think. | 15:02 |
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| carl_baldwin | #topic Announcements | 15:03 |
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| carl_baldwin | Newton-3 is imminent. | 15:03 |
| carl_baldwin | I have to say that it has been a very good cycle all things considered. | 15:03 |
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| carl_baldwin | The patch to enable creation and deletion of segments merged! | 15:04 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/317358 | 15:04 |
| carl_baldwin | Any other announcements? | 15:04 |
| mlavalle | We have a routed networks talk confirmed for Barcelona: | 15:04 |
| mlavalle | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/events/15149/scaling-up-openstack-networking-with-routed-networks | 15:05 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: Yes, good thinking. | 15:05 |
| carl_baldwin | Wouldn't it be cool if generic resource pool scheduling was available by then? | 15:05 |
| john-davidge | mlavalle: carl_baldwin: Excellent! The service subnets talk wasn't approved unfortunately | 15:05 |
| mlavalle | yeah, I am doing all on my part to have that ready | 15:05 |
| carl_baldwin | I keep meaning to check that thread on the ML about the next steps for it. | 15:05 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: I know you are. Just wondering about the other work in Nova. | 15:06 |
| mlavalle | yeap | 15:06 |
| mlavalle | that's the challenge | 15:06 |
| mlavalle | but they are merging code | 15:06 |
| mlavalle | I have to say that | 15:06 |
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| carl_baldwin | That's good. | 15:07 |
| carl_baldwin | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-August/102477.html | 15:07 |
| carl_baldwin | I saw Matt sent this ^ | 15:07 |
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| carl_baldwin | #topic patches | 15:07 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+(topic:bp/routed-networks+OR+topic:bp/neutron-routed-networks+OR+topic:bp/service-subnets) | 15:07 |
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| carl_baldwin | Let's have a quick run through on this. ^ | 15:07 |
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| carl_baldwin | Oh, also the service subnets should be operational now. | 15:08 |
| carl_baldwin | Thanks john-davidge | 15:08 |
| mlavalle | yaay! | 15:08 |
| carl_baldwin | ... and haleyb | 15:08 |
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| john-davidge | \o/ | 15:08 |
| haleyb | carl_baldwin: yes, just waiting for OSC change still. And thanks to you too | 15:08 |
| carl_baldwin | I did post a refactor that I think improves the code readability but doesn't change the operation really | 15:08 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/360858 | 15:09 |
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| carl_baldwin | I'll rebase this as soon as possible. I wanted it to implement the unaddressed ports blueprint. | 15:09 |
| john-davidge | carl_baldwin: It's a much needed refactor, thanks for going back to that | 15:09 |
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| john-davidge | I have a WIP patch for the docs https://review.openstack.org/#/c/360526/ | 15:10 |
| carl_baldwin | john-davidge: I did it with optimizing the error generation path in a future path. I think we can cut down those queries now that it is easier to see what all they're doing. | 15:10 |
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| john-davidge | haleyb: Included you as a co-author as it's based heavily on the spec | 15:10 |
| carl_baldwin | john-davidge: Great! I hadn't seen that yet. | 15:10 |
| john-davidge | Not finished yet, but I'll continue working on it this week | 15:11 |
| haleyb | john-davidge: thanks, will review | 15:11 |
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| carl_baldwin | I'll keep an eye on it. | 15:11 |
| john-davidge | haleyb: carl_baldwin: thanks | 15:12 |
| carl_baldwin | There is one more patch I'd like to get in to Newton. | 15:12 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/293305/ | 15:12 |
| carl_baldwin | Mostly because if we don't, we'll have to create a new extension for it. :( | 15:12 |
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| carl_baldwin | It is getting pretty close. | 15:12 |
| john-davidge | Ah, this one. I'll take another look | 15:13 |
| carl_baldwin | I found a strange issue yesterday that was causing many of the UTs to fail. Now, it just has one failure and I think I can fix it up. | 15:13 |
| carl_baldwin | Thanks reedip for getting it in better shape last night. | 15:13 |
| rtheis | carl_baldwin: I was hoping to have that patch merge first before removing WIP from OSC network create and delete patch sets since it changes the interface | 15:14 |
| carl_baldwin | I think that's the last one we'll have the chance to get in before feature freeze | 15:14 |
| carl_baldwin | rtheis: ack, that makes sense. | 15:14 |
| carl_baldwin | I hope to get it merged today. | 15:14 |
| rtheis | awesome | 15:14 |
| carl_baldwin | We might be able to sneak a few more in as bug fixes. | 15:15 |
| carl_baldwin | ... and new tests | 15:16 |
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| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: How is the testing effort going? | 15:16 |
| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: it is going well.... we now have a connectivity test | 15:16 |
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| mlavalle | Bin is having some trouble with his dev environment. So I will test it today and tomorow in my environment | 15:17 |
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| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: Let us know when / if you think they are ready for review. | 15:17 |
| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: will do | 15:17 |
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| carl_baldwin | xiaohhui: ping | 15:18 |
| mlavalle | in Ocata we are going to add more test cases around the interaction with gneric resource pools | 15:18 |
| xiaohhui | ack | 15:18 |
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| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/337956/ | 15:18 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: That is a good plan | 15:18 |
| carl_baldwin | xiaohhui: This patch has been sitting for a while. Do you think we need it? | 15:19 |
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| xiaohhui | I might need more work on that patch, but I don't think thing will break without that patch. | 15:19 |
| xiaohhui | I can continue working on that patch as bug fix. | 15:20 |
| carl_baldwin | xiaohhui: ack | 15:20 |
| rtheis | regarding testing... is segment extension enabled by default or will it be? | 15:20 |
| xiaohhui | That is what I want to discuss about, too | 15:20 |
| xiaohhui | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/317358/25/neutron/services/segments/db.py@307 | 15:20 |
| xiaohhui | kevinbeton brought this out too, | 15:21 |
| carl_baldwin | rtheis: xiaohhui: That is a good question. Right now, it is not enabled by default. | 15:21 |
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| carl_baldwin | Will one of you post a patch to make it on by default? We can discuss on the patch. | 15:22 |
| xiaohhui | Should we enable it by default? because ml2 will always use segment, I think it is reasonable to make it as default. | 15:22 |
| xiaohhui | I can do that | 15:22 |
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| carl_baldwin | xiaohhui: Thanks. Let us know when you have it up and I can get some attention on it. | 15:22 |
| xiaohhui | sure, | 15:22 |
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| mlavalle | xiaohhui: are you still planning to unify the 2 paths? | 15:23 |
| carl_baldwin | xiaohhui: Maybe a post to the ML with a link to the patch will be good too. | 15:23 |
| xiaohhui | I will do that. unifying the 2 path can eliminate a TODO in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/317358 | 15:24 |
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| carl_baldwin | xiaohhui: Thanks. | 15:25 |
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| carl_baldwin | What else do we have to discuss today? | 15:25 |
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| mlavalle | Assuming our focus this meeting is N-3, nothing as far as I know | 15:26 |
| john-davidge | carl_baldwin: At what point would you like to start discussing plans for Ocata? | 15:27 |
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| carl_baldwin | john-davidge: We should start doing that pretty soon. But, N-3 is currently taking a lot of cognitive energy for me. | 15:27 |
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| john-davidge | carl_baldwin: Sure, it's still too early for now. Perhaps 1-2 weeks from now | 15:28 |
| carl_baldwin | john-davidge: agree | 15:28 |
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| carl_baldwin | Sounds like that's about it for today. | 15:29 |
| carl_baldwin | Great work, everyone. We got a lot done in Newton and I think the quality is pretty good. | 15:30 |
| carl_baldwin | I'll give you 30 minutes back. | 15:30 |
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| carl_baldwin | #endmeeting | 15:30 |
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| xiaohhui | bye~ | 15:30 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 30 15:30:41 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_routed_networks/2016/neutron_routed_networks.2016-08-30-15.02.html | 15:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_routed_networks/2016/neutron_routed_networks.2016-08-30-15.02.txt | 15:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_routed_networks/2016/neutron_routed_networks.2016-08-30-15.02.log.html | 15:30 |
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| sridhar_ram | #startmeeting tacker | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 30 16:01:26 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sridhar_ram. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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| sridhar_ram | #topic Roll Call | 16:01 |
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| janki | o/ | 16:01 |
| manikanta_tadi | o/ | 16:01 |
| diga | o/ | 16:01 |
| dkushwaha | o/ | 16:01 |
| vishwanathj | o/ | 16:01 |
| tung_doan | o/ | 16:01 |
| neel | o/ | 16:01 |
| bobh | o/ | 16:02 |
| sripriya | o/ | 16:02 |
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| sridhar_ram | hello everyone! | 16:02 |
| sridhar_ram | let's start.. | 16:02 |
| sridhar_ram | #chair bobh sripriya | 16:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: bobh sridhar_ram sripriya | 16:02 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Announcements | 16:02 |
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| sridhar_ram | Few quick ones.. | 16:02 |
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| s3wong | hello | 16:03 |
| sridhar_ram | #link https://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html | 16:03 |
| sridhar_ram | We are in newton-3 / feature freeze territory ! | 16:04 |
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| sridhar_ram | We need to be extra careful what we land until Sept 15th (newton release deadline) | 16:04 |
| sridhar_ram | next.. | 16:04 |
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| sridhar_ram | Please join me to welcome Yong Sheng to the core team! | 16:05 |
| sridhar_ram | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-August/102356.html | 16:05 |
| sridhar_ram | Our geo diversity is quite amazing! | 16:05 |
| sridhar_ram | next.. | 16:05 |
| sridhar_ram | Final Tacker client for Newton 0.7.0 is released | 16:05 |
| sridhar_ram | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-announce/2016-August/001496.html | 16:05 |
| sridhar_ram | thanks for all those who pushed patchsets and reviews to make this happen..! | 16:06 |
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| sridhar_ram | any other quick general shout outs ? | 16:06 |
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| sridhar_ram | moving on.. | 16:07 |
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| sridhar_ram | #topic Newton Release Status | 16:07 |
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| sridhar_ram | let's go around and to see any sticking issues in the features expected to land in next couple of weeks... | 16:07 |
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| sridhar_ram | tung_doan: how is your alarm monitoring coming along ? | 16:08 |
| sridhar_ram | tung_doan: any major issues blocking you ? | 16:08 |
| tung_doan | sridhar: alarm monitor is almost done. https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tacker+branch:master+topic:tacker-alarming | 16:08 |
| tung_doan | sridhar: i will need reviews latter | 16:09 |
| sridhar_ram | tung_doan: does this include ceilometer alarm driver ? | 16:09 |
| tung_doan | sridhar: yes, sure | 16:09 |
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| sridhar_ram | tung_doan: sorry, i haven't looked closely.. which specific patchset has ceilometer related things ? | 16:10 |
| tung_doan | sridhar: alarm framework is already lauched. But it still need to review | 16:10 |
| tung_doan | sridhar: np. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/362975/ | 16:10 |
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| sridhar_ram | tung_doan: i was looking for requirements.txt changes to pull in ceilometer client.. | 16:11 |
| sridhar_ram | tung_doan: anyways, will review... | 16:12 |
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| sridhar_ram | team - need your help in the review of alarm mon.. | 16:12 |
| tung_doan | sridhar: thanks | 16:12 |
| sridhar_ram | it is coming in late, so.. | 16:12 |
| sridhar_ram | can someone volunteer to work with tung_doan to go beyond code review to pull the patchset and verify the functinality .. while the patchsets are still out | 16:13 |
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| janki | sridhar_ram, I can help | 16:13 |
| tung_doan | sridhar: thanks you guys.. I will try to modify if possible in the rest time | 16:13 |
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| sridhar_ram | janki: great, thanks.. | 16:14 |
| janki | sridhar_ram, mention not :) | 16:14 |
| tung_doan | sridhar: thanks janki | 16:14 |
| sridhar_ram | tung_doan: please watchout for issues reported by janki !! | 16:15 |
| sridhar_ram | moving on to...vnffg | 16:15 |
| tung_doan | sridhar: sure.. it is important time for me | 16:15 |
| tung_doan | sridhar: janki thank :) | 16:15 |
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| sridhar_ram | trozet: s3wong: hi, can you give an update where we stand on this feature | 16:15 |
| janki | tung_doan, welcome :) | 16:15 |
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| trozet | sridhar_ram: hello | 16:16 |
| sridhar_ram | trozet: sorry, for the abrupt pull into the meeting :) | 16:16 |
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| sridhar_ram | trozet: s3wong: trying to get a sense of what is remaining for this whole feature .. | 16:16 |
| diga | sridhar_ram: it seems, we have very large patchset. it will be good if we can reduce patch size in the future | 16:16 |
| trozet | sridhar_ram: the plugin/ext side is almost done. Need to get the abstract driver and janki's patch through (if not already done). I then need to test the plugin with the client that was merged | 16:16 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: I am doing integration of driver with trozet's plugin | 16:17 |
| trozet | diga: this was the preferred method | 16:17 |
| sridhar_ram | diga: the blame is on me, to consolidate at slightly coarse grain level | 16:17 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: found some bugs (on my side), will post new patch sometime this week | 16:17 |
| sridhar_ram | *to ask them | 16:17 |
| diga | trozet: okay | 16:17 |
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| janki | trozet, I have uploaded PS addressing the comments | 16:17 |
| trozet | sridhar_ram, s3wong: can we get the abstract driver taken care of? and janki's patch? | 16:17 |
| s3wong | trozet: what's to take care of? merge? | 16:18 |
| sridhar_ram | trozet: yes, those two are definitely close to land | 16:18 |
| janki | sridhar_ram, a separate error_response will be droppped by API layer. Also error_response column is not present in the client | 16:18 |
| trozet | s3wong: for abstract driver need your review s3wong | 16:18 |
| sridhar_ram | janki: understood, i was about to response.. let's skip error_reason for now | 16:18 |
| sridhar_ram | *respond | 16:19 |
| janki | sridhar_ram, yes. I do have an idea though. we can discuss that after meeting | 16:19 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram, trozet: I am still the author of abstract driver, should I even +2 it :-) | 16:19 |
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| sridhar_ram | trozet: in fact, even the plugin / db / extn side seems to have gotten enough eyeballs.. that patchset would be next (in this series) | 16:19 |
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| trozet | s3wong: haha i don't mean you have to +2...just feedback on what I posted | 16:19 |
| trozet | s3wong: like is it ok or not | 16:20 |
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| sridhar_ram | trozet: beyond the plugin / ext, abstract driver, n-sfc implementation .. what is remaining to be posted ? | 16:21 |
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| s3wong | sridhar_ram: that should be it --- it is end to end already with these | 16:21 |
| trozet | sridhar_ram: i need to do the real TOSCA validation of the VNFFGD | 16:22 |
| trozet | sridhar_ram: there are a few places where i have TODO (like validating all the VNFs are on the same VIM) | 16:22 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: trozet: yes, the TOSCA portion is critical... | 16:22 |
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| trozet | sridhar_ram: but not too much other than testing everything together and seeing what doesnt work | 16:22 |
| sridhar_ram | trozet: do you need substitution_mapping support for your TOSCA needs ? | 16:22 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: ^^ | 16:22 |
| trozet | sridhar_ram: I think we decided on ignoring that for the first pass | 16:23 |
| trozet | sridhar_ram: to make things less complicated | 16:23 |
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| bobh | trozet: probably a good idea | 16:23 |
| sridhar_ram | trozet: sure, thats a fine approach for this first iteration | 16:23 |
| diga | trozet: any help you need ? I hv some interest in VNFFG | 16:24 |
| sridhar_ram | i believe we need that more for NSD and NSD + VNFFGD | 16:24 |
| trozet | diga: I could use help testing the whole thing | 16:24 |
| trozet | diga: once it's ready | 16:25 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: any blockers for your n-sfc implementation ? | 16:25 |
| diga | trozet: sure | 16:25 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: no, other than day job :-) | 16:25 |
| trozet | s3wong: heh | 16:25 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: :) | 16:25 |
| sridhar_ram | diga: similar to what janki is doing for alarm-mon, it will be great if can team up w/ these folks to give this a spin end-to-end with all the patchsets out .. that would be awesome | 16:26 |
| diga | sridhar_ram: Sure. I will | 16:26 |
| sridhar_ram | trozet: janki: haiwei: s3wong: sripriya: amazing tag teaming so far in executing this feature ..! | 16:26 |
| janki | sridhar_ram, thanks :) | 16:27 |
| sridhar_ram | BTW, a talk submission on this feature is accepted for barcelona summit.. | 16:27 |
| sridhar_ram | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/events/15335/orchestrating-vnf-forwarding-graphs-and-sfc-using-opendaylight-neutron-and-tacker | 16:27 |
| diga | sridhar_ram: Absolutely, will like to work with trozet & s3wong for every help they need from my side reviewing, testing etc | 16:28 |
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| sridhar_ram | even more reason to finish this and show a kickass demo! | 16:28 |
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| trozet | yeah diga, if you also want to review 2k lines that would be helpful ;) | 16:28 |
| sridhar_ram | diga: great, thanks! | 16:28 |
| diga | trozet: :) | 16:28 |
| trozet | sridhar_ram: i'll plan on picking up and pushing new changes thursday | 16:29 |
| sridhar_ram | moving on.. | 16:29 |
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| trozet | sridhar_ram: so if we can get abstract driver and vnf resources done by then, i twill reduce hte number of moving parts under me | 16:29 |
| s3wong | trozet: Thursday sounds good | 16:29 |
| sridhar_ram | trozet: absolutely.. we can take care of them in a day | 16:29 |
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| s3wong | (someone else needs to give a +2 on abstract-driver) | 16:30 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: if you can review trozet's updates to your abstract driver .. we are good to go | 16:30 |
| trozet | thanks | 16:30 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: sure --- still not appropriate to give a +2 :-) | 16:30 |
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| sripriya | s3wong: will review the patch | 16:31 |
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| s3wong | sripriya; Thanks! | 16:31 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: understood.. just leave a note to us in the irc channel | 16:31 |
| sridhar_ram | next, ... VNFC | 16:31 |
| sridhar_ram | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/339798/ | 16:32 |
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| manikanta_tadi | For VNFC BP, We have pushed a WIP patch already https://review.openstack.org/#/c/358321/ | 16:32 |
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| manikanta_tadi | review of spec is ongoing, | 16:32 |
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| sridhar_ram | manikanta_tadi: we need more folks to review this... | 16:33 |
| sridhar_ram | mike_m: your comments are quite helpful .. | 16:33 |
| manikanta_tadi | the tasks still left are sample templates,devref, functional tests which myself and tbh are taking up | 16:33 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: did you had a chance to look at this spec ? | 16:33 |
| bobh | sridhar_ram: briefly - I'll take another look | 16:34 |
| manikanta_tadi | bobh, Thanks .. | 16:34 |
| sridhar_ram | I'm looking for bit more consensus on where we are heading .. even if we implement just a portion of the whole thing | 16:34 |
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| mike_m | I have a concern with the VNF requirement of needing the heat api agent. | 16:35 |
| sridhar_ram | I do realize this is a "new" feature that seems to slide in .. we can bring this in as an "experimental" feature in newton | 16:35 |
| sridhar_ram | mike_m: can you elaborate pls? | 16:35 |
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| mike_m | i was wondering of a more agnostic approach for the VNF. This makes the feature very OpenStack VNF specific. | 16:36 |
| sridhar_ram | mike_m: couldn't agree more.. | 16:37 |
| bobh | sridhar_ram: mike_m me too | 16:37 |
| mike_m | I see the cloud-init as the only viable approach in this short period of time. Couldn't that satisify the initial startup requirements? | 16:37 |
| sridhar_ram | mike_m: we absolutely want Tacker be a TOSCA Orchestrator engine .. for multiple VIM types (openstack, vmware, aws, etc) and for NFV and beyond (like enterprisey use-cases) | 16:38 |
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| sridhar_ram | mike_m: we already support cloud-init in Tacker's TOSCA in the form of user-data.. | 16:38 |
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| bobh | sridhar_ram: but user_data could easily be mapped to a different VIM without requiring specific changes to the image | 16:39 |
| mike_m | Looking at this at a different angle, do you think the config of a VNF/VNFC might be more related to the EM interface? | 16:40 |
| bobh | sridhar_ram: if a VNF relies on specific Heat functionality for creation, it is pretty much tying itself to OpenStack anyway | 16:40 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: you make use of the fact cloud-init is supported in different VIMs, agree but it can't support mid-life vnfc install / uninstall | 16:40 |
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| bobh | sridhar_ram: agree, do we know of similar capabilities in other VIMs? | 16:41 |
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| mike_m | In some respects, mid-life management might be more related to em. | 16:41 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: cloud-init is supported in many VIMs - definitely vmware and aws | 16:41 |
| bobh | sridhar_ram: was thinking about the heat-specific config resources - SoftwareDeployment/SoftwareCOnfig/etc | 16:42 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: back to your question on making this heat specific, that is why i want to see this spec talk more about the VNFC changes in TOSCA and plugin and *most importantly* describe an abstract interface from plugin to infra_driver.. | 16:42 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: .. it is upto the infra_driver to use any available mechanism -- cloud-init, ssh, SoftwareDeployment, etc | 16:43 |
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| sridhar_ram | mike_m: my understanding is EM aspects comes once the VNFC s/w is in place in the target VDU.. | 16:43 |
| bobh | sridhar_ram: right, which I was uncomfortable with specifying the heat driver in the VNFC config | 16:43 |
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| sridhar_ram | mike_m: but we need to get the bits in place first and that is what we need some clarity | 16:44 |
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| sridhar_ram | bobh: agree, that part doesn't gel for me as well.. | 16:44 |
| mike_m | agree | 16:44 |
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| sridhar_ram | if we scope this work to describe TOSCA VNFC dom will be given to infra_driver and infra_driver will take care of honoring it (or erroring out as un-supported) would that be okay for this initial attempt? | 16:46 |
| sridhar_ram | plugin and TOSCA part doesn't (and shouldn't) know about SoftwareDeployement happening underneath | 16:47 |
| mike_m | that sounds like the right approach to me | 16:47 |
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| bobh | sridhar_ram: agree - and the TOSCA shouldn't tell the orchestrator which infra to use | 16:47 |
| manikanta_tadi | sridhar_ram, agree, this sounds good to me too | 16:47 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: mike_m: fair enough..! | 16:48 |
| sridhar_ram | manikanta_tadi: please incorporate these in the spec and let's see how far we can push :) | 16:48 |
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| manikanta_tadi | sridhar_ram: Sure, will make the changes accordingly | 16:48 |
| sridhar_ram | manikanta_tadi: continue to iterate these in your WIP patchsets | 16:48 |
| sridhar_ram | alright.. moving on.. | 16:49 |
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| sridhar_ram | #topic Ocata Feature Grooming | 16:49 |
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| sridhar_ram | I'd like to kick start Ocata feature planning in the background as we wrap up Newton | 16:49 |
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| sridhar_ram | as usual there is going to be a etherpad .. | 16:50 |
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| sridhar_ram | .. no surprise there, but i've left it empty this time :) | 16:50 |
| sridhar_ram | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tacker-ocata-grooming | 16:51 |
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| sridhar_ram | based on the midcycle and other recent discussions .. | 16:51 |
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| sridhar_ram | I'd like to propose a decomposed vim-infra driver framework as one of the top items for next cycle | 16:52 |
| diga | sridhar_ram: I am writting one spec for new API framework implementation like we discussed last time, will submit it to ocata repo. I have done enough study on that | 16:52 |
| mike_m | has there been more discussions regarding this one: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tacker/+spec/em-module? Could this be added as a potential for Ocata? | 16:52 |
| sridhar_ram | please capture the items you think that is important for Ocata | 16:52 |
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| sridhar_ram | diga: sure, that's great | 16:53 |
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| sridhar_ram | mike_m: yes, that be taken up as well.. | 16:53 |
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| diga | sridhar_ram: yep | 16:53 |
| sridhar_ram | it will be also nice to come up w/ a relative priority among different items | 16:54 |
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| sridhar_ram | capturing in the blueprint is definitely a better option | 16:54 |
| sridhar_ram | we can use the etherpad to socialize the idea | 16:54 |
| diga | sridhar_ram: +1 | 16:55 |
| sridhar_ram | we will obviously have few carry overs from newton.. like NSD | 16:55 |
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| mike_m | no bp yet, but vmware vim. | 16:55 |
| mike_m | likely a long shot for now, but certainly can be discussed. | 16:56 |
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| sridhar_ram | mike_m: sure, in fact i noticed there is a oslo.vmware .. | 16:56 |
| sridhar_ram | #link https://github.com/openstack/oslo.vmware | 16:56 |
| manikanta_tadi | sridhar_ram, OSC support ? | 16:56 |
| sridhar_ram | something we can leverage | 16:56 |
| mike_m | I saw that, was wondering the same. | 16:56 |
| sridhar_ram | manikanta_tadi: yes, but relative priority will be low IMO | 16:57 |
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| diga | mike_m: sridhar_ram : I think lets have seperate etherpad for vmware vim, we can list out all in detail there | 16:57 |
| dkushwaha | sridhar_ram, so, can we start for ocata now? | 16:57 |
| mike_m | ok | 16:57 |
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| sridhar_ram | diga: yes, vmware vim will be biggee.. | 16:57 |
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| diga | sridhar_ram: yeah | 16:58 |
| sridhar_ram | dkushwaha: yes, the spec work can start.. the patchsets can merge only after stable/newton is pulled.. roughly after Sept 15th | 16:58 |
| sridhar_ram | dkushwaha: can you please update ur NSD patchset to ocata dir ? | 16:58 |
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| dkushwaha | sridhar_ram, yes sure | 16:59 |
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| sridhar_ram | alright, let's continue to groom this Ocata list over next few meetings.. | 16:59 |
| sridhar_ram | time's almost up | 16:59 |
| sridhar_ram | use the etherpad to capture any ideas to be entertained for Ocata.. it could be features or code clean | 17:00 |
| sridhar_ram | thats it | 17:00 |
| sridhar_ram | bye folks | 17:00 |
| sridhar_ram | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 30 17:00:13 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| diga | bye | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2016/tacker.2016-08-30-16.01.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2016/tacker.2016-08-30-16.01.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2016/tacker.2016-08-30-16.01.log.html | 17:00 |
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| breton | o/ | 17:59 |
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| stevemar | o/ | 18:00 |
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| stevemar | #startmeeting keystone | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 30 18:00:32 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is stevemar. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:00 |
| jaugustine | heyo | 18:00 |
| stevemar | breton: it's 16 weeks | 18:00 |
| browne | o/ | 18:00 |
| dstanek | o/ | 18:00 |
| rodrigods | o/ | 18:01 |
| rderose | o\ | 18:01 |
| bknudson | hi | 18:01 |
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| lbragstad | o/ | 18:01 |
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| stevemar | short agenda again! | 18:02 |
| stevemar | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-weekly-meeting | 18:02 |
| breton | stevemar: thanks, sounds good | 18:02 |
| NishaYadav | o/ | 18:02 |
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| stevemar | if anyone has anything to add to the agenda, do so now | 18:03 |
| stevemar | or wait til open discussion | 18:03 |
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| ayoung | ping list? | 18:03 |
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| stevemar | ayoung: yes sir! | 18:03 |
| stevemar | ping ajayaa, amakarov, ayoung, breton, browne, crinkle, claudiub, davechen, david8hu, dolphm, dstanek, edmondsw, gagehugo, gyee, henrynash, hogepodge, htruta, jamielennox, jaugustine, joesavak, jorge_munoz, knikolla, lbragstad, MaxPC, morgan, nkinder, notmorgan, raildo, rodrigods, rderose, roxanaghe, samleon, samueldmq, shaleh, stevemar, tsymanczyk, topol, vivekd, wanghong, xek, nishaYadav | 18:03 |
| raildo | o/ | 18:04 |
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| xek | o/ | 18:04 |
| samueldmq | hi all | 18:04 |
| knikolla | o/ | 18:04 |
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| topol | o/ | 18:04 |
| stevemar | #topic milestone-3 status | 18:05 |
| NishaYadav | \o | 18:05 |
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| stevemar | dstanek's fix for caching merged, that was a huge win | 18:05 |
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| stevemar | does anyone know if it also fixes https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1600393 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1600394 ? | 18:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1600393 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "v2.0 catalog seen in v3 token" [Critical,Confirmed] - Assigned to David Stanek (dstanek) | 18:06 |
| amakarov | dstanek: now how about backport it? )) | 18:06 |
| dstanek | stevemar: you mean caching works now :-P | 18:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1600394 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "memcache raising "too many values to unpack"" [Critical,Confirmed] - Assigned to David Stanek (dstanek) | 18:06 |
| stevemar | hehe | 18:06 |
| dstanek | amakarov: sure, i can do that after this last pass at lbragstad's review | 18:06 |
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| stevemar | breton: i think you mentioned it also solved one of those bugs? | 18:06 |
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| stevemar | i suppose we could mark them as incomplete and ask the originator to check with the master branch if it's still an issue | 18:07 |
| bknudson | I don't see how this would fix either of those bugs. | 18:07 |
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| shaleh | \o | 18:07 |
| bknudson | the problems there aren't because the cache wasn't flushed correctly | 18:08 |
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| stevemar | bknudson: for both bugs or are you referring to one in particular? | 18:09 |
| samueldmq | bknudson: ++, those do not seem to be related to me either | 18:09 |
| amakarov | stevemar: is my oslo.cache solution still required? Does somebody else use memcache besides keystone? | 18:09 |
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| samueldmq | stevemar: dstanek: has anybody else got to reproduce those bugs ? | 18:10 |
| bknudson | stevemar: both of those bugs. | 18:10 |
| * notmorgan is lurking at best | 18:10 | |
| bknudson | although I've never seen the v2.0 catalog seen in v3 token issue | 18:10 |
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| bknudson | amakarov: apparently there other users of oslo.cache besides keystone. | 18:10 |
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| amakarov | notmorgan: do you know what projects use oslo.cahe too? | 18:10 |
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| stevemar | bknudson: if flushing the cache solves the issue, then it sounds like we don't need a keystone fix? | 18:10 |
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| notmorgan | amakarov: none in the way we do. most use the in-mem old compat memcache dict thing | 18:11 |
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| dstanek | i don't think my fix could possibly fix some of the weird bugs we are seeing | 18:11 |
| bknudson | stevemar: flushing the cache won't fix the "too many values to unpack" bug. | 18:12 |
| notmorgan | bknudson: that is the wierdest bug | 18:12 |
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| notmorgan | because the error comes from the memcache lib | 18:12 |
| notmorgan | so weird. | 18:12 |
| bknudson | notmorgan: still looking at it. I'm going to add some tracing to python-memcached | 18:12 |
| amakarov | dstanek: you'd become a silver bullet author in that case )) | 18:12 |
| notmorgan | bknudson: ++ | 18:12 |
| bknudson | notmorgan: should be able to see exactly what it's reading from memcache socket | 18:13 |
| dstanek | amakarov: one could only wish | 18:13 |
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| stevemar | well at any rate, it sounds like neither will be solved for milestone 3 | 18:13 |
| dstanek | i couldn't replicate the others in my local environment to debug | 18:13 |
| stevemar | considering it will be tagged tomorrow... | 18:13 |
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| samueldmq | stevemar: we can tag and work in a fix -> backport | 18:14 |
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| stevemar | yep | 18:14 |
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| stevemar | okay, i'll bump those 2 | 18:14 |
| stevemar | notmorgan: bknudson what about https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1609566 and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/358872/ ? | 18:15 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1609566 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "500 error from revocation event deserialize" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Morgan Fainberg (mdrnstm) | 18:15 |
| bknudson | I think those are all the same bug | 18:15 |
| notmorgan | bknudson: nope. | 18:15 |
| bknudson | same cause | 18:15 |
| notmorgan | bknudson: not the deserialie one | 18:15 |
| breton | yep, 1609566 is unrelated | 18:15 |
| stevemar | right | 18:15 |
| notmorgan | that one is actually a different issue, looks like it's getting non-strings back out | 18:16 |
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| stevemar | dstanek: you had a -1 on it | 18:16 |
| notmorgan | stevemar: a rebase should be all that patch needed, since it;'s partial-bug | 18:16 |
| notmorgan | there is longer term stuff to be done there but it will squash the issue more directly and give us feedback | 18:16 |
| dstanek | stevemar: which one? | 18:16 |
| stevemar | dstanek: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/358872/ | 18:17 |
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| notmorgan | i don't think we can only serialize rthe keys we want atm, no guarantee that is correct. if anything we also need the filter on the deserialie+logging | 18:17 |
| dstanek | ah, yeah. i don't see why we store it in memcache if we can serialize it. i'd rather fix on the flip side | 18:17 |
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| dstanek | we're serializing __dict__ which is bad | 18:18 |
| notmorgan | dstanek: what worries me is that this suddenly started being an issue, I don't know what refactor broke it. | 18:18 |
| stevemar | rebased it | 18:19 |
| dstanek | notmorgan: is it reproducible? | 18:19 |
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| amakarov | Speaking of 1609566, we've run into issue when revocation tree grows larger 1M and gets declined by memcache. It doesn't prodice an error though - just returns NO_VALUE on the next GET operation | 18:19 |
| notmorgan | dstanek: it has been in isolated environemnts. | 18:19 |
| notmorgan | dstanek: it's just another weird edge cases | 18:19 |
| bknudson | I can probably recreate https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1609566 | 18:19 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1609566 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "500 error from revocation event deserialize" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Steve Martinelli (stevemar) | 18:19 |
| notmorgan | amakarov: welcome to memcache | 18:19 |
| bknudson | but I get other errors too when I try to recreate anything | 18:19 |
| notmorgan | amakarov: that has been a long running issue with using memcache and lists of objects | 18:20 |
| dstanek | amakarov: yep, that's the expected behavior :-( | 18:20 |
| notmorgan | amakarov: if you're hitting that, restart memcache with a larger slab size =/ | 18:20 |
| amakarov | notmorgan: yes, we had to do that | 18:20 |
| bknudson | is someone working on the issue with querying revocation events? | 18:20 |
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| lbragstad | bknudson ravelar is working on that a bit | 18:21 |
| bknudson | I think there's a review in progress but it's a POC | 18:21 |
| dstanek | notmorgan: amakarov: but first do some performance analysis to make sure the change does negatively impact what you can cache | 18:21 |
| lbragstad | specifically on optimizing the sql query | 18:21 |
| bknudson | I think it would help everyone if that was completed | 18:21 |
| amakarov | also I think we're doing smth wrong if we end up tossing cicterns of data here and there | 18:21 |
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| notmorgan | dstanek: larger than 1M slab size is a horrible thing to do to memcache and will absolutely make for bad performance (relative) | 18:21 |
| amakarov | s/cicterns/cisterns/ | 18:21 |
| lbragstad | speaking of ravelar1 | 18:22 |
| lbragstad | there he is | 18:22 |
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| samueldmq | lbragstad: has ravelar posted anything already? | 18:22 |
| notmorgan | amakarov: this is really a known issue. | 18:22 |
| dstanek | samueldmq: i believe there is a wip | 18:22 |
| lbragstad | ravelar1 I believe you have a review up for your work on the revocation event sql query, right? | 18:22 |
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| bknudson | on my system I see huge slowdowns with only a few revocation events. | 18:22 |
| notmorgan | amakarov: and one of the only places we are storing a list of elements in cache. | 18:22 |
| stevemar | dstanek: so you'll still be -1 on this? rather fix it than ignore the errors? (mind you it's just a partial fix) | 18:22 |
| notmorgan | amakarov: there is a reason we don't cache other "list" methods | 18:22 |
| amakarov | samueldmq: btw my token pre-cache patch is really useful in the case ^^ | 18:22 |
| bknudson | and in our staging envs we're getting a lot of complaints about the revocation event slowdown. | 18:23 |
| lbragstad | bknudson same here... i notice performance degradation after just a few tempest runs (~1500 events) | 18:23 |
| dstanek | stevemar: i'd have to go over it again at +1 as a temp fix. my concern is that we could throw out an importatnt key | 18:23 |
| notmorgan | i hate to admit it, but the horrible tree code at least wasn't broken all over the place | 18:23 |
| dstanek | i'd have to look to see if that is possible | 18:23 |
| bknudson | even to build the tree you need to fetch every row | 18:23 |
| notmorgan | dstanek: we could, it is better to fail securely and reject more tokens than to pass invalid tokens (if we maintain revocations as a thing) | 18:24 |
| amakarov | bknudson: what's the story with in-database revocation check? | 18:24 |
| notmorgan | bknudson: yes. i mean the associated bugs. | 18:24 |
| bknudson | seems like we should be able to take advantage of the "since" part of the query (if we kept the list in mem) | 18:24 |
| amakarov | ayoung: ^ | 18:24 |
| ravelar1 | There are a few issues I have been running into with trying to change the current is_revoked and matches to query but they mainly stem from tox tests that solely test based on premade event dictionaries | 18:24 |
| dstanek | i don't understand how we get a non-string key to begin with | 18:24 |
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| ayoung | Kill it. | 18:24 |
| notmorgan | dstanek: something in one of the refactors to revocations and serialization broke it. | 18:24 |
| notmorgan | dstanek: and i can't point a finger at why/where. | 18:25 |
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| bknudson | here's the review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/359371/ | 18:25 |
| notmorgan | dstanek: i've now spent days working through the code. so in short, i just opted for somerthng that breaks less but makes a lot of noise so we get feedback | 18:25 |
| bknudson | for making the revocation check an sql query | 18:26 |
| notmorgan | bknudson: ++ i would like to see that if we keep revocations. | 18:26 |
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| bknudson | Clint Byrum was interested. Wanted to see indexes on the columns. | 18:26 |
| notmorgan | and he is correct | 18:26 |
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| notmorgan | we should index the columns | 18:26 |
| ayoung | we should drop the whole damn thing | 18:26 |
| notmorgan | i think i said the same thing early on in these discussions | 18:26 |
| bknudson | y, otherwise you do a table scan anyways | 18:26 |
| stevemar | sounds like this bug can make the cut, at least the partial fix can | 18:27 |
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| rodrigods | is there an evidence that the issue is the python code? | 18:27 |
| lbragstad | is SpamapS around? | 18:27 |
| ayoung | Newton Release Note: Tokens can no longer be revoked. | 18:27 |
| ayoung | DOne. | 18:27 |
| notmorgan | ayoung: convince stevemar, i'm fine with it but convince stevemar | 18:27 |
| notmorgan | ayoung: since he's PTL | 18:27 |
| notmorgan | i think the ops community will be in an uproar | 18:27 |
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| stevemar | not the right time, i just want to get newton-3 done | 18:28 |
| notmorgan | because there is no way to lock out tokens without timeout in cases . | 18:28 |
| amakarov | yes! 5 minutes tokens ftw! | 18:28 |
| dstanek | notmorgan: the only thing i can think of as being a possible scenario is somehow __dict__ is getting directly manipulated | 18:28 |
| notmorgan | dstanek: possibly, i am actually thinking of making the reveent not an object anymore | 18:28 |
| notmorgan | dstanek: and make it a primitive if we keep it | 18:28 |
| SpamapS | lbragstad: I'm around. what's up? | 18:28 |
| notmorgan | dstanek: then we drop the custom msgpack serializer | 18:28 |
| notmorgan | dstanek: trivial | 18:28 |
| ayoung | notmorgan, ? | 18:28 |
| lbragstad | SpamapS you were looking to have a discussion around indexes here - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/359371/ ? | 18:29 |
| bknudson | if you want to set up a dev environment where you can reproduce these problems I can provide instructiona. | 18:29 |
| SpamapS | lbragstad: I'll look right now. | 18:29 |
| ayoung | revocation as a primitive...? | 18:29 |
| lbragstad | SpamapS we have ravelar1 here, too | 18:29 |
| notmorgan | ayoung: make it a dict (eeeeuuwwW) and it'll be less janky serializing [if we don't drop it] | 18:29 |
| SpamapS | Oh cool | 18:29 |
| ayoung | notmorgan, ++ | 18:29 |
| SpamapS | ok I already looked at that yesterday, yay. :) | 18:29 |
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| notmorgan | SpamapS: yeah we were saying we agree, indexes | 18:29 |
| ayoung | notmorgan, lets make it a dict. Nothing wrong with that. | 18:29 |
| notmorgan | SpamapS: :) | 18:29 |
| SpamapS | I just want to see an assertion of which existing index, or new index, will service the query. | 18:29 |
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| notmorgan | ayoung: ok i'll roll that today then. but it'll be a backport for RC | 18:30 |
| ayoung | it is just a Data transfer object. If we say "any fields but these are ignored" we should be OK | 18:30 |
| notmorgan | or wait | 18:30 |
| notmorgan | uh | 18:30 |
| notmorgan | whatever | 18:30 |
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| notmorgan | it'll be the post n-3 | 18:30 |
| SpamapS | I trust mysql's optimizer to sometimes pick better ones than we _think_ will be used. | 18:30 |
| ayoung | and "all fields must be serializable" | 18:30 |
| stevemar | notmorgan: yes, thats the one ;) | 18:30 |
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| SpamapS | But we should at least think about which ones we think should make it go fast. | 18:30 |
| dstanek | bknudson: yes, please | 18:30 |
| notmorgan | SpamapS: oh i 100% agree here. | 18:30 |
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| stevemar | can i move on to the blueprints? | 18:31 |
| notmorgan | ayoung: we wont be able to drop msgpack because datetime doesn't serialize the way we need it in json | 18:31 |
| bknudson | dstanek: here's the instructions: https://review.portbleu.com/gitweb?p=pyrrrat-ci.git;a=blob;f=docs/deploy-vagrant.rst;h=0cbe2a128c17b57753b168cc5990512712e834f9;hb=HEAD | 18:31 |
| notmorgan | ayoung: but we can just make rev event a dict and call it a day | 18:31 |
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| ayoung | notmorgan, if that works, I am fine with it | 18:31 |
| stevemar | ravelar1 + bknudson to fix revocation :) | 18:32 |
| stevemar | tempted to #action that one | 18:32 |
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| stevemar | #topic blueprints still tagged for newton-3 | 18:33 |
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| dstanek | bknudson: thx | 18:33 |
| stevemar | we've got https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/credential-encryption and https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/pre-cache-tokens still tagged for newton3 | 18:33 |
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| stevemar | precache tokens first for amakarov | 18:33 |
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| stevemar | the spec was approved, the code is up https://review.openstack.org/#/c/309146/ | 18:34 |
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| stevemar | dstanek: you're -1 on it, and so is haneef | 18:34 |
| dstanek | after talking to amakarov i think i'll take the -1 away | 18:35 |
| stevemar | notmorgan opinion on this one? your views are always appreciated | 18:35 |
| ravelar1 | notmorgan: which column is consistent enough to index? | 18:35 |
| amakarov | samueldmq, dstanek, haneef: In the discussion above was the point that validation gets slow if revocation tree grows large | 18:35 |
| amakarov | that's the value of the patch | 18:35 |
| henrynash | (sneaks in the back door) | 18:35 |
| dstanek | i wasn't completely sure on the overall value since i reuse tokens. this would only really help those that never reuse tokens | 18:35 |
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| bknudson | back from bank holiday | 18:36 |
| stevemar | henrynash: you carried an entire door with you? | 18:36 |
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| ayoung | stevemar, it was a doggy door. | 18:36 |
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| henrynash | a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do | 18:36 |
| dstanek | amakarov: my biggest concern is the extra invalidations. not sure what the impact would be for those | 18:36 |
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| amakarov | dstanek: we cache tokens in KMW anyway | 18:37 |
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| amakarov | dstanek: oh, didn't get your point: you are about chenges that cause cache region to die | 18:38 |
| dstanek | amakarov: but your pre-caching in keystone so i'm wondering how often one of those operations happen that invalidate *all* the tokens | 18:38 |
| bknudson | what if there was a config option to enable pre-caching of tokens? | 18:38 |
| stevemar | bknudson: would that make you sleep better at night? | 18:39 |
| bknudson | then if you think it'll help you then go ahead and enable it | 18:39 |
| amakarov | bknudson: 'caching=true' )) | 18:39 |
| dstanek | bknudson: options are usually a good thing | 18:39 |
| stevemar | amakarov: i don't think bknudson's ask is too much | 18:39 |
| stevemar | amakarov: think you can whip it up? | 18:39 |
| amakarov | stevemar: I have no problem with making that configurable | 18:40 |
| dstanek | amakarov: is there any way to say what the negative impact might be from real production cloud data? | 18:40 |
| amakarov | stevemar: iiuc the question is the value of the whole thing | 18:40 |
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| bknudson | you can propose removing the config option next release | 18:41 |
| amakarov | dstanek: our scale team agreed this won't do any harm | 18:41 |
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| dstanek | amakarov: so not many of those action actually happen? | 18:41 |
| bknudson | I suspect it will be fine to do and we'll enable it but I'd want to see the performance results first. | 18:41 |
| stevemar | #action amakarov to make precaching configurable | 18:42 |
| amakarov | bknudson: shall we discuss a test case you'd like to see? | 18:42 |
| amakarov | out of the meeting probably | 18:42 |
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| dstanek | amakarov: what happens when a trust is deleted for instance | 18:43 |
| amakarov | dstanek: approximately as many as those causing token revocations | 18:43 |
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| amakarov | dstanek: ..it happens :) regions gets invalidated | 18:43 |
| bknudson | I'm not going to have the time to try it myself until I get through a bunch of other issues. | 18:43 |
| bknudson | nobody here is complaining about this since we're hitting the issue with revocation events | 18:44 |
| stevemar | on to credential encryption... | 18:44 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/355618/ | 18:44 |
| stevemar | lbragstad: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/credential-encryption | 18:44 |
| ayoung | USE TLS | 18:44 |
| ayoung | And X509 auth | 18:44 |
| lbragstad | ^ that change is dependent on a couple devstack changes | 18:45 |
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| lbragstad | (which are linked in the commit message) | 18:45 |
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| stevemar | ayoung: it's more so admins can't do a database dump and look at all your stufff | 18:45 |
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| lbragstad | but it's passing - and I'm working on a migration guide now | 18:45 |
| lbragstad | I'm about half done and expect to have it completed by the end of the day | 18:45 |
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| dstanek | amakarov: with my patch merged we'll actualy start invalidating regions for real, which is part of my concern | 18:45 |
| lbragstad | nothing formal, just a gist showing what the upgrade looks like, along with the new upgrade process | 18:45 |
| ayoung | stevemar, Huh? I thought it was for config files. | 18:45 |
| stevemar | ayoung: nope | 18:45 |
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| lbragstad | but - with that, I think the biggest hangup is now on triggers... | 18:46 |
| stevemar | ayoung: it's for the credentials backend | 18:46 |
| amakarov | dstanek: your patch will save a lot of headache! | 18:46 |
| ayoung | ah | 18:46 |
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| ayoung | ok... | 18:46 |
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| stevemar | hehe | 18:46 |
| lbragstad | I'm working on the guide here - https://gist.github.com/lbragstad/ddfb10f9f9048414d1f781ba006e95d1 | 18:47 |
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| lbragstad | #link https://gist.github.com/lbragstad/ddfb10f9f9048414d1f781ba006e95d1 | 18:47 |
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| lbragstad | which right now is pretty basic, I'm adding the credential specific stuff in a bit | 18:47 |
| lbragstad | I'll be sure to drop it into -keystone when its finished, and link it in the implementation review | 18:48 |
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| stevemar | lbragstad: still seems a lot of moving parts to land before tomorrow EOD | 18:49 |
| stevemar | lbragstad: must it land in newton? | 18:49 |
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| lbragstad | stevemar well - it was a requirement for the mfa stuff | 18:50 |
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| stevemar | true | 18:50 |
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| stevemar | we could make the MFA work dependant on credential encryption (in O) | 18:52 |
| stevemar | lbragstad: i won't bump it for now, but i won't cry if it doesn't make the cut :) | 18:52 |
| lbragstad | stevemar i think we need to have the trigger discussion | 18:52 |
| stevemar | #topic sql triggers | 18:52 |
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| lbragstad | because that is going to be a big factor in if this lands. | 18:52 |
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| lbragstad | stevemar I doubt I'll have the time to rework the implementation to not use triggers by tomorrow | 18:53 |
| stevemar | mailing list for the record: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-August/102293.html | 18:53 |
| stevemar | lbragstad: i thought bayer said triggers was OK to use in this instance | 18:53 |
| lbragstad | stevemar agree - he did | 18:54 |
| stevemar | lbragstad: so what's the issue? | 18:54 |
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| lbragstad | stevemar it sounds like others still have issues with it though | 18:54 |
| stevemar | i say we use them | 18:54 |
| lbragstad | ok | 18:54 |
| rderose | me too :) ++ | 18:54 |
| henrynash | stevemar: ++ (even though we hopefully don't need them for the created_at fix) | 18:54 |
| lbragstad | stevemar in that case - i think the current implementation works well | 18:55 |
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| lbragstad | we test the triggers against MySQL and postresql | 18:55 |
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| henrynash | lbragstad: ...and I think we are saying....we don't support sqlite for upgrades... | 18:56 |
| stevemar | henrynash: yes | 18:56 |
| lbragstad | henrynash yeah - zzzeek was on board with that too | 18:56 |
| stevemar | i doubt we've ever supported that | 18:56 |
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| henrynash | stevemar: well, we have to be a bit carefull....you do an offline "upgrade" just to stand up a new version of openstack | 18:57 |
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| bknudson | I think I got disconnected | 18:57 |
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| henrynash | stevemar: i.e. we do a db_sync and run through all the migrations | 18:57 |
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| samueldmq | lbragstad: henrynash are there special cases for sqlite too ? | 18:57 |
| stevemar | lbragstad: bumping credential encryption also means bumping the triggers decision to O :) | 18:58 |
| stevemar | since we won't have any | 18:58 |
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| lbragstad | stevemar that is ultimately bumping R/W upgrades as well | 18:58 |
| henrynash | stevemar: that's gotta work...or nobody can use sqlite at all (which we would secretly like, but not sure we can legistlate against immeditaly) | 18:58 |
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| samueldmq | stevemar: seems a sane decision | 18:58 |
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| samueldmq | any reason we should rush with that ? | 18:58 |
| henrynash | lbragstad: I really object to that....I would rather have RW upgrades than mfa | 18:59 |
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| lbragstad | stevemar we also currently support TOTP | 18:59 |
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| lbragstad | which leverages the credential backend | 18:59 |
| stevemar | lbragstad: and those aren't encrypted either | 18:59 |
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| lbragstad | from a security perspective - they aren't encrypted | 18:59 |
| lbragstad | right | 18:59 |
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| henrynash | lbragstad: the need for keystone no downtime upgrades must, imho, come before mfa (if the mfa solution isn'r ready for RW upgrades) | 19:00 |
| stevemar | lets jump to -keystone | 19:00 |
| stevemar | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 30 19:00:14 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2016/keystone.2016-08-30-18.00.html | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2016/keystone.2016-08-30-18.00.txt | 19:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2016/keystone.2016-08-30-18.00.log.html | 19:00 |
| fungi | infra team, assemble! | 19:00 |
| pleia2 | o/ | 19:00 |
| fungi | today's exciting topics provided by jeblair, fungi, zaro and pleia2 | 19:00 |
| Zara | o/ | 19:00 |
| SotK | o/ | 19:00 |
| clarkb | hello | 19:00 |
| AJaeger | o/ | 19:01 |
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| zaro | o/ | 19:01 |
| jeblair | howdy | 19:01 |
| mordred | o/ | 19:01 |
| fungi | #startmeeting infra | 19:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 30 19:02:16 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is fungi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:02 |
| fungi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:02 |
| fungi | #topic Announcements | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:02 | |
| bkero | o/ | 19:02 |
| fungi | #info Track chairs have confirmed there will be a Zuul v3 presentation at the Ocata Summit | 19:02 |
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| fungi | jeblair: did you have any additional details on that? | 19:02 |
| Shrews | o/ | 19:02 |
| rcarrillocruz | o/ | 19:03 |
| jeblair | fungi: no, that's about it. i mean, i may make a sign-up table for ansi artists.... ;) | 19:03 |
| * mordred thinks someone should storm the room dressed as the staypufft marshmellow man | 19:03 | |
| fungi | heh | 19:03 |
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| pleia2 | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/events/16615/zuul-v3-openstack-and-ansible-native-cicd | 19:04 |
| fungi | perfect--thanks pleia2! | 19:04 |
| jeblair | mordred: do we have anyone with experience dressing up in ridiculous costumes at summits? | 19:04 |
| fungi | i was just trying to hunt that down | 19:04 |
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| pleia2 | I can make stick puppets | 19:04 |
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| fungi | #info Gerrit downtime on Friday 2016-09-02 at 18:00 UTC | 19:04 |
| fungi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-August/102281.html | 19:04 |
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| fungi | #info Reminder: late-cycle joint Infra/QA get together to be held September 19-21 (CW38) in at SAP offices in Walldorf, DE | 19:05 |
| fungi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints/QAInfraNewtonSprint | 19:05 |
| fungi | there are still 5 slots remaining, but if you're going you should put your name in the registration table on that wiki page soon lest you end up on the standby waiting list | 19:05 |
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| fungi | as always, get me announcements before next week's meeting and i'll include them | 19:05 |
| fungi | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from last meeting (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:05 | |
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| fungi | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2016/infra.2016-08-23-19.01.html | 19:06 |
| fungi | AJaeger start a docs ml thread to refresh constraints around retention of old/unmaintained documents | 19:06 |
| fungi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2016-August/009003.html | 19:06 |
| fungi | that happened | 19:06 |
| fungi | thanks! | 19:06 |
| fungi | pleia2 send maintenance announcement for upcoming gerrit project renames | 19:06 |
| fungi | (already linked in the announcements earlier) | 19:06 |
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| fungi | i may add an ad-hoc topic later if there's time to discuss project rename logistics for friday | 19:07 |
| fungi | #topic Specs approval: PROPOSED "Update doc publishing spec for AFS" | 19:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs approval: PROPOSED "Update doc publishing spec for AFS" (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:07 | |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/276482 Update doc publishing spec for AFS | 19:07 |
| ianw | o/ | 19:07 |
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| jeblair | me puts down sandwich | 19:07 |
| fungi | looks like we're set to finish voting on this one! | 19:07 |
| jeblair | yeah, i think we have what we need | 19:08 |
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| jeblair | i updated it yesterday based on feedback from loquacities that came out of the docs ml thread | 19:08 |
| fungi | good with approving it at/after 19:00 utc thursday if no objections are voiced? | 19:08 |
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| pabelanger | o/ | 19:08 |
| jeblair | the good news is that not needing to do the migration makes things simpler, and gets rid of a significant work item | 19:08 |
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| jeblair | fungi: yes | 19:08 |
| fungi | #info Council voting will remain open on the "Update doc publishing spec for AFS" change until 19:00 UTC on Thursday, September 1 | 19:09 |
| jeblair | this could use some volunteers | 19:09 |
| jeblair | mordred: has volunteered | 19:09 |
| mordred | yah. I will help | 19:09 |
| jeblair | we could probably use another infra person, and probably a docs team member as well | 19:09 |
| fungi | additional volunteers for some of the tasks would be good | 19:09 |
| jeblair | it will be highly parallelizable | 19:09 |
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| jeblair | in fact, almost all of the work items are paralellizable | 19:10 |
| pabelanger | sure, I can help | 19:10 |
| jeblair | so if people wanted to pile on this, we could probably get it done very quickly | 19:10 |
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| fungi | AJaeger was already starting to dig through the existing content and trying to mirror a copy to see what's involved. i don't know if he has any new insights yet | 19:10 |
| AJaeger | fungi: not yet - still mirroring content ;( | 19:10 |
| jeblair | (and there is some urgency around this since cloud sites is being spun out, and apparently we use too many inodes) | 19:10 |
| fungi | oh, wow | 19:10 |
| mordred | we are big inode consumers | 19:11 |
| pleia2 | hehe | 19:11 |
| pleia2 | we break a lot of clouds | 19:11 |
| fungi | AJaeger: still downloading after how long? how much do you have so far? | 19:11 |
| AJaeger | Fastest way to safe inodes: Don't push up sources - and don't separate trees for each tags | 19:11 |
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| AJaeger | fungi, still downloading after 36 hours. I had to break after 24 hours ;( and restarted. Luckly lftp can mirror, so it's not starting from zero... | 19:12 |
| pleia2 | oy | 19:12 |
| AJaeger | at 594184 files and 9.8 GB now... | 19:12 |
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| jeblair | i wonder if doing that inside of rax would be any faster? | 19:13 |
| fungi | yeah, thankfully with the current version of the plan just needing an "old docs site" published somewhere after we get site generation going to the new location, having that take a few days to pull is tractable | 19:13 |
| AJaeger | shouldn't be much longer.... | 19:13 |
| jeblair | fungi: yep | 19:13 |
| fungi | anything else we need to cover on that spec right now? | 19:13 |
| persia | Sadly, for many-small-files, there is limited speedup for low-latency. | 19:13 |
| clarkb | just 2ish more GB | 19:13 |
| AJaeger | regarding the inode usage: I have indentifed some really unused content (we even have redirects away from it) | 19:14 |
| AJaeger | And biggest offender is _source: | 19:14 |
| AJaeger | 705 MB; 156k inodes | 19:14 |
| jeblair | fungi: nope. we have some volunteers, and i will requisition others as needed. :) | 19:14 |
| AJaeger | more in the next days... | 19:14 |
| jeblair | fungi: oh, you had an idea of making that a priority effort... | 19:15 |
| fungi | jeblair: ahh, yep. maybe we can propose that next week | 19:15 |
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| jeblair | oh, also, i'll be away next week | 19:15 |
| fungi | (or the week after!) | 19:15 |
| fungi | #topic Priority Efforts: Zuul v3 (jeblair) | 19:16 |
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| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/360817 Zuul v3: update branches job keyword | 19:16 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/360819 Zuulv3: drop variable interpolation and add nodesets | 19:16 |
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| jeblair | me puts sandwich down again | 19:16 |
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| jeblair | the first change is trivial | 19:16 |
| jeblair | so go bikeshed that if you want. :) | 19:16 |
| jeblair | i just didn't want to be committing code that didn't match the spec | 19:16 |
| jeblair | the second is interesting | 19:17 |
| jeblair | it's a substantive change | 19:17 |
| jeblair | oh i thought i updated the agenda | 19:17 |
| jeblair | the link should be to https://review.openstack.org/361463 | 19:17 |
| jeblair | #link https://review.openstack.org/361463 Zuulv3: drop variable interpolation and add nodesets | 19:17 |
| jeblair | i think the commit msg explains the rationale | 19:18 |
| fungi | aha, yep you had 360819 linked in the agenda, and i didn't double-check it | 19:18 |
| fungi | sorry about that | 19:18 |
| jeblair | well, i left a forwarding address in gerrit, so if anyone looked at the agenda before now, they will have ended up in the right place anyway :) | 19:19 |
| fungi | heh | 19:19 |
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| jeblair | so i don't know if we want to open formal voting on this, or what. | 19:20 |
| fungi | maybe. good that it has a clear example | 19:20 |
| fungi | though your editor seems to enjoy injecting hard tabs | 19:20 |
| pabelanger | I like the change | 19:20 |
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| jeblair | yeah, tabs are awesome, but i can remove them in a followup if we want to formally vote on the non-tab content. | 19:21 |
| clarkb | reading the commit message makes sense to me | 19:21 |
| fungi | i can add 361463 to the list for formal voting. 360817 i think i'll just approve as administrivia | 19:22 |
| jeblair | sounds good | 19:22 |
| fungi | #info Council voting will remain open on the "Zuulv3: drop variable interpolation and add nodesets" change until 19:00 UTC on Thursday, September 1 | 19:22 |
| * mordred steals jeblair's sandwich before he can pick it up again | 19:23 | |
| jeblair | too late | 19:23 |
| Shrews | lgtm | 19:23 |
| Shrews | the review, not the sandwich | 19:23 |
| fungi | hurry and take a bite | 19:23 |
| fungi | #topic Priority Efforts: Nodepool: Use Zookeeper for Workers (jeblair) | 19:23 |
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| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/360821 Update nodepool zookeeper spec with branch | 19:24 |
| jeblair | me puts down sandwich for the last time | 19:24 |
| jeblair | this one is probably administrivia too | 19:24 |
| jeblair | i think we discussed this a week or 2 ago, and started using the branch since then | 19:24 |
| fungi | yep, just looked, i'm cool with approving now | 19:24 |
| jeblair | so thought we ought to update the spec for it | 19:24 |
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| fungi | thanks | 19:25 |
| fungi | #topic Design summit session planning (fungi) | 19:25 |
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| fungi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/infra-ocata-summit-planning Infra Ocata summit planning pad | 19:25 |
| fungi | just following up quickly... i put in a preliminary request for one fishbowl and five workrooms plus the half-day collaboration space on friday | 19:26 |
| Zara | \o/ | 19:26 |
| fungi | if anyone disagrees, i still have until tomorrow to amend our allocation request | 19:26 |
| fungi | also, are most people sticking around for friday? if so, it might make sense to request some of our workrooms be on friday morning so we can treat it like additional general collaboration time | 19:27 |
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| rcarrillocruz | i do plan to fly back on Saturday, so yeah | 19:28 |
| bkero | me too | 19:28 |
| mordred | I will be flying on saturday | 19:28 |
| pleia2 | same | 19:28 |
| clarkb | saturday too | 19:28 |
| pabelanger | I too | 19:28 |
| fungi | cool, that was the hope | 19:28 |
| jeblair | me too | 19:29 |
| fungi | i'll let you all know what we end up with, but in the meantime keep adding session ideas to the etherpad | 19:29 |
| mordred | fungi: not related to that - I will only be in germany monday and tuesday, flying to stockholm from frankfurt at noon on wednesday, in case anyone cares about such information | 19:29 |
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| fungi | mordred: good to know. as previously discussed, i won't be in germany but i have hopes someone will feed me highlights | 19:30 |
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| fungi | pleia2 rocks | 19:30 |
| fungi | #topic Sprint to test Gerrit online indexing (zaro) | 19:30 |
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| zaro | i'm looking for help to test gerrit's online reindex. | 19:31 |
| zaro | using review-dev.o.o | 19:31 |
| fungi | zaro: my current plan is to try it in production during our project rename maintenance in a few days, but any testing you get done before then would be awesome | 19:31 |
| zaro | fungi: ok. if you want to skip then cool with me | 19:31 |
| zaro | worst case is you'll just need to do offline reindex | 19:32 |
| pleia2 | yeah, we scheduled a 4 hour window just in case | 19:32 |
| fungi | well, if you had anything you were going to try on review-dev in the next few days, feedback from that would be awesome | 19:32 |
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| fungi | just so we have a better idea of what to anticipate | 19:32 |
| zaro | well, i'm suggesting that i run online reindex and need volunteers to use gerrit while it's reindexing | 19:33 |
| zaro | that's basically the test | 19:33 |
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| zaro | the reindex takes about 1.5 hrs without any activity on gerrit | 19:33 |
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| fungi | yep. anyone have time to poke at uploading changes to and reviewing them on review-dev while there's an online reindex of a large repo happening there? | 19:33 |
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| pleia2 | sure | 19:34 |
| fungi | zaro: when do you expect to be around to kick off the reindexing and keep an eye on it? | 19:34 |
| pleia2 | I'm around all week, so whenever works | 19:34 |
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| zaro | how about tomorrow morning? | 19:35 |
| pleia2 | wfm | 19:35 |
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| fungi | also, does gerrit show-caches or show-queues or something display the reindexing progress? | 19:35 |
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| fungi | curious how best to keep tabs on it during our maintenance window on friday | 19:35 |
| zaro | yes | 19:35 |
| fungi | okay, cool | 19:36 |
| zaro | show-queues | 19:36 |
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| fungi | thanks! | 19:36 |
| zaro | how about start at 1700 utc? | 19:36 |
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| pleia2 | sounds good | 19:37 |
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| fungi | i'll get to pleia2's topic on the agenda first, and then i'll inject mine about the gerrit rename maintenance logistics and we can talk a little more about reindexing as part of that | 19:37 |
| zaro | cool, was going to suggest a sprint, but probably not needed. | 19:37 |
| fungi | #info Gerrit online reindex testing will be run on review-dev Wednesday, August 31 starting at 17:00 UTC | 19:37 |
| pleia2 | zaro: maybe we can recruit some folks as we go ;) | 19:38 |
| fungi | sounds good | 19:38 |
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| fungi | #topic Another bug day? (pleia2) | 19:38 |
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| pleia2 | so, the last time we did one of these was back in April | 19:38 |
| fungi | i agree, seems like we're overdue | 19:38 |
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| pleia2 | bugs are piling up again | 19:38 |
| pleia2 | I think it would be nice to get this out of the way before our sprint in germany | 19:38 |
| pleia2 | next week is bad for me because there's a Jury Summons on my desk, my schedule is unpredicable | 19:39 |
| pleia2 | but any time the week after | 19:39 |
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| clarkb | what about monday of thr week after? | 19:39 |
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| clarkb | next monday is a us holiday | 19:39 |
| pleia2 | wfm | 19:39 |
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| pleia2 | september 12th | 19:40 |
| fungi | yeah, that seems fine for me | 19:40 |
| fungi | i have nothing on my calendar except a weekly vmt thing | 19:41 |
| pabelanger | I think that works for me too | 19:41 |
| pleia2 | ok, I'll get that organized w/ etherpad and add to the sprint channel schedule | 19:41 |
| fungi | #info Infra bug sprint tentatively scheduled for Monday, September 12 | 19:42 |
| fungi | action pleia2 set up sprint booking for infra bug day | 19:42 |
| fungi | thanks! | 19:42 |
| fungi | #action pleia2 set up sprint booking for infra bug day | 19:42 |
| fungi | helps if i # those | 19:42 |
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| fungi | anything else we should cover now for bug day planning? | 19:43 |
| pleia2 | I don't think so | 19:43 |
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| fungi | #topic Gerrit rename maintenance logistics (fungi) | 19:44 |
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| fungi | i got to going back over the change that added teh rename playbook | 19:44 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/175147 Add an ansible playbook for project renames | 19:44 |
| fungi | unfortunately i hadn't gotten around to reviewing that before it merged last year | 19:45 |
| fungi | it seems we took out the steps for renaming/transferring repos in github but i don't see what in the playbook takes care of that | 19:45 |
| fungi | i'm assuming i should add that back into the manual part of the process | 19:45 |
| fungi | also it's doing a graceful stop of zuul via kill -URS1 which i fear will take faaaaar too long for us | 19:46 |
| fungi | er, kill -USR1 | 19:46 |
| yuval | (yuval from smaug => karbor here, arriving late :) | 19:46 |
| jeblair | yeah, that'd take 24 hours | 19:46 |
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| fungi | and it'll need updating to remove the offline reindexing step now that we can do online | 19:47 |
| fungi | just trying to pick everyone's brain that's done prior renames to see if there's any other gotchas that jump out at you | 19:47 |
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| fungi | and i'm fuzzy on how any of this actually works | 19:49 |
| jeblair | has it ever been used? | 19:49 |
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| fungi | not in our gerrit at least | 19:49 |
| fungi | for example, the shell items that echo db queries through |mysql reviewdb | 19:50 |
| jeblair | yolanda is not here, though she decided it was ready to be merged... | 19:50 |
| pleia2 | and not in prod afaik | 19:50 |
| jeblair | mordred: do you have thoughts? | 19:50 |
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| mordred | jeblair: not useful ones | 19:51 |
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| fungi | it looks like `echo ... |mysql reviewdb` is relying on ~root/.my.cnf being set up correctly, so that's probably fine | 19:52 |
| fungi | as i too rely on that going to our trove instance correctly | 19:52 |
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| fungi | i'll doublecheck that storyboard.o.o has a similarly correct ~root/.my.cnf | 19:52 |
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| fungi | anyway, i'm still game for giving this a shot, but would appreciate people getting up with me with any concerns over it before friday so i can revert to our old mostly-manual process if necessary | 19:53 |
| jeblair | well, i certainly wouldn't stop zuul that way | 19:54 |
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| clarkb | its looking likr I may be sitting with at least one foundation staff member to go over using gerrit during the renames so I will defer to others | 19:54 |
| fungi | right. things i already know need to be changed there: zuul stop/start/reenqueue, offline reindex. also adding teh github steps back into the manual steps | 19:54 |
| clarkb | (we can use review dev while review is down) | 19:54 |
| pleia2 | I'll have a look through too to see if anything jumps out at me | 19:55 |
| fungi | appreciated | 19:55 |
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| zaro | clarkb: hopefully it will only be down for a little bit | 19:56 |
| fungi | #topic Open discussion | 19:57 |
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| yuval | hey, yuval from smaug/karbor - is anything required on our part during/after the rename? | 19:57 |
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| fungi | yuval: we'll generate a change you'll want to approve that updates your .gitreview file | 19:58 |
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| fungi | yuval: but also you may find that some of your jobs are broken by the new repo name and, if so, you'll probably want to be around to patch those as needed | 19:58 |
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| AJaeger | fungi, the changes look complete - but there're always surprises ;) | 19:59 |
| fungi | that's one of the reasons we usually do these right before the weekend, so you have a little time to get tests updated before they'll impact a large number of new changes in review | 19:59 |
| fungi | AJaeger: yeah, it's often going to be things like repo urls hard-coded in devstack plugins or something | 19:59 |
| fungi | okay, we're out of time | 19:59 |
| fungi | thanks everyone! | 20:00 |
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| fungi | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 30 20:00:06 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2016/infra.2016-08-30-19.02.html | 20:00 |
| yuval | fungi: thanks | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2016/infra.2016-08-30-19.02.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2016/infra.2016-08-30-19.02.log.html | 20:00 |
| ttx | o/ | 20:00 |
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| dims | o/ | 20:00 |
| ttx | Anyone around for the TC meeting ? | 20:00 |
| dtroyer | o/ | 20:01 |
| Carolbarrett | Hi | 20:01 |
| tonyb | o/ | 20:01 |
| claudiub | o/ | 20:01 |
| annegentle | here | 20:01 |
| * edleafe scurries to the side of the room | 20:01 | |
| ttx | dhellmann, flaper87, johnthetubaguy, mestery, mtreinish, mordred, russellb, sdague: around ? | 20:01 |
| mordred | o/ | 20:01 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 20:01 |
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| sdague | o/ | 20:01 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 20:01 |
| ttx | #startmeeting tc | 20:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 30 20:01:33 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tc)" | 20:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 20:01 |
| ttx | Welcome back everyone... Our agenda for today: | 20:01 |
| ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee | 20:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | o/ | 20:01 |
| ttx | (remember to use #info #idea and #link liberally to make for a more readable summary) | 20:01 |
| ttx | #topic Extra ATCs | 20:02 |
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| ttx | We have two late requests for addition of extra-ATCs | 20:02 |
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| ttx | I'm saying late because we are now past the deadline described at | 20:02 |
| ttx | #link https://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html#n-extra-atcs | 20:02 |
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| ttx | The first one was submitted in time, we just didn't process it last week since there was a meeting skip | 20:02 |
| * amrith sneaks into the back rows | 20:02 | |
| annegentle | seems reasonable to allow | 20:02 |
| ttx | That is "Adds winstackers extra ATCs list" (https://review.openstack.org/355872) | 20:02 |
| ttx | The second one was submitted a bit late but we could give it an exception I guess, since it's our first time doing this | 20:03 |
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| ttx | The too late one being "Add Bryan Sullivan as extra-ATC for Congress" (https://review.openstack.org/358762) | 20:03 |
| * flaper87 is good with giving it an exception | 20:03 | |
| mordred | wfm | 20:03 |
| ttx | I'm approving the first one | 20:03 |
| claudiub | \o/ | 20:03 |
| dtroyer | ++ on the second | 20:03 |
| dhellmann | does approving these mean they would apply to the upcoming elections? | 20:03 |
| dhellmann | I'm OK with it either way, I'm just asking to clarify | 20:04 |
| ttx | I'm +1 on the Congress exception too, just we close the bar now | 20:04 |
| ttx | dhellmann: yes | 20:04 |
| dhellmann | ok | 20:04 |
| annegentle | cool | 20:04 |
| sdague | yeh, I think it's fine. | 20:04 |
| ttx | We haven't tagged the repo for elections yet | 20:04 |
| dhellmann | and yes, I agree with saying we're closing this for this cycle | 20:04 |
| mtreinish | o/ | 20:04 |
| annegentle | oh yeah should we ask the election officials if they're ok with this addition? | 20:04 |
| ttx | #agreed Those were the last extra-ATC requests for this cycle | 20:04 |
| tonyb | +1 from me | 20:05 |
| ttx | annegentle: they close the list much later usually so they should be ok | 20:05 |
| dhellmann | tonyb : thanks | 20:05 |
| annegentle | tonyb thanks for taht | 20:05 |
| fungi | they'll also get summit registration discount codes when i send the final batch next week (assuming they're not already contributors to another official project team) | 20:05 |
| annegentle | that even | 20:05 |
| dims | +1 to close the door with these | 20:05 |
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| annegentle | fungi ok, good to know | 20:05 |
| ttx | ok, Bryan approved too | 20:05 |
| dhellmann | fungi : ah, ok, good | 20:05 |
| dims | fungi : thanks | 20:05 |
| ttx | ok, moving on | 20:05 |
| ttx | #topic Update Glance mission statement | 20:06 |
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| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/354053 | 20:06 |
| ttx | This update is to reflect the long-term focus of Glance in light of the upcoming Glare split | 20:06 |
| ttx | Which should happen during Ocata | 20:06 |
| ttx | Looks like the current proposed version is consensual amongst Glance devs | 20:06 |
| flaper87 | ++ | 20:06 |
| flaper87 | Sounds reasonable and it reflects the direction the team is going | 20:06 |
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| ttx | yep, I'm fine adjusting it even if Glare is not separated out yet | 20:07 |
| amrith | very good sign that there are no -1's | 20:07 |
| ttx | approving now unless there is a last-minute objection | 20:07 |
| dims | let's do it | 20:07 |
| ttx | done | 20:07 |
| annegentle | sounds good | 20:07 |
| ttx | next topic! | 20:07 |
| ttx | #topic Add the newly-created Requirements team to projects.yaml | 20:07 |
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| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/358380 | 20:08 |
| ttx | This is the last split from the original release management team (after VMT and stable branch maintenance) | 20:08 |
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| dhellmann | \o/ | 20:08 |
| ttx | My only gripe would be that the mission is not mentioning dependency convergence, but that's not enough to block it. | 20:08 |
| ttx | reading mtreinish recent comments though | 20:08 |
| tonyb | ttx: Yeah the mission statement is weak but I'm happy to fix that | 20:08 |
| mtreinish | ttx: oh, annegentle and I were just talking about adding a check job to run the validate tox job | 20:09 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I'd like to fix that in a separate patch if we can | 20:09 |
| mtreinish | ttx: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/363165/2 | 20:09 |
| mtreinish | unrelated to the review really | 20:09 |
| ttx | tonyb: ok, I'll propose the adjustment in a subsequent patch | 20:09 |
| annegentle | yeah more of a process / expectation question but thanks | 20:09 |
| ttx | #action ttx to suggest dependency convergence as part of requirements mission as a separate patch | 20:10 |
| ttx | OK, let's approve this one then | 20:10 |
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| tonyb | Thank! | 20:10 |
| ttx | The important bit is to get the team up there | 20:10 |
| ttx | approved | 20:11 |
| mtreinish | tonyb: I wonder how many ptl hats you can collect for barcelona | 20:11 |
| ttx | OK, now for more interesting discussions | 20:11 |
| ttx | #topic New Storlets project team | 20:11 |
| tonyb | mtreinish: ;P | 20:11 |
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| dims | yay welcome to requirements team! | 20:11 |
| dhellmann | ttx: tonyb and I may need to talk with you about summit space if you haven't already allotted some for the new team | 20:11 |
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| ttx | I'd like to timebox that one to the next 25 min (up until :35) | 20:11 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: I think I included Tony in the list | 20:12 |
| dhellmann | ttx: ok, cool | 20:12 |
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| tonyb | dhellmann: sure. | 20:12 |
| ttx | Let's say I'm "forward-looking" rather than "cheating"' | 20:12 |
| tonyb | dhellmann: I've sumitted for stable and requirements | 20:12 |
| ttx | So.. Storlets | 20:12 |
| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/353693 | 20:12 |
| dhellmann | tonyb : ok, good, I wanted to make sure you got some for requirements | 20:12 |
| ttx | OK, round 2 of discussion on this one, since last meeting we could only spend 10 minutes on it | 20:12 |
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| ttx | Let me try to summarize the objections/comments so far, and then we can have a discussion about the specifics | 20:13 |
| dhellmann | I'd like to hear from some of the folks who had time to look at the storlets code since I didn't and there were comments on the review about organization and such | 20:13 |
| ttx | 1. Use of Java and C code | 20:13 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 20:13 |
| ttx | Usage of Java seems limited to glue code to make user-side containerized Java payloads work | 20:13 |
| * flaper87 stfu and lets ttx talk | 20:13 | |
| ttx | I'm fine with that especially since there are plans to add support for user-side Python/XXX payloads | 20:13 |
| flaper87 | ttx: that was not my understanding | 20:13 |
| ttx | Usage of C code seems to be limited to ~800sloc to work around limitations to pass FDs to Java in the container -- long-term would be great to find a way around that | 20:13 |
| ttx | There is also a simple tool to run within the container, which could be using shell instead (restart_docker_container.c) | 20:14 |
| ttx | flaper87: what was your understanding ? | 20:14 |
| flaper87 | my understanding was that storelets are currently written in Java and that's what is executed | 20:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | in a python sense that C code sounds a bit like privsep? | 20:14 |
| ttx | flaper87: well, a "storlet" is the user-side code | 20:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | right, it runs java code, I think | 20:14 |
| flaper87 | I think I asked this in the review. I wonder if there will be storelets written in some other language | 20:14 |
| flaper87 | ttx: oh you said glue code and I thought about something else | 20:14 |
| ttx | It is a Python pipeline creating a container that runs code. Currently Java code | 20:15 |
| eranrom | We are currently working on Pytrhob | 20:15 |
| flaper87 | it's the actual code that users will write | 20:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | the data processing world is very java/scala centric, so it doesn't surprise me they started there | 20:15 |
| ttx | johnthetubaguy: ++ | 20:15 |
| ttx | Let me finish the writeup | 20:15 |
| eranrom | johnthetubaguy: you got us :-) | 20:15 |
| ttx | 2. Java as a dependency | 20:15 |
| ttx | The main issue with Java as a dependency is that in some cases that means effectively depending on non-free Oracle SDK, since OpenJDK is, let's say... less tested and people are encouraged to run Oracle JDK to avoid corner oddities | 20:15 |
| flaper87 | johnthetubaguy: not saying it's bad | 20:15 |
| flaper87 | fwiw | 20:15 |
| ttx | In this precise scenario though I feel like it's only used for user-side payloads, so it's slightly less of a problem | 20:16 |
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| ttx | But still, to avoid questions and legal redistribution troubles I think we need to clearly depend on OpenJDK rather than "a Java runtime" | 20:16 |
| mordred | ++ | 20:16 |
| ttx | 3. Unlogged meetings, single-core approvals | 20:16 |
| dims | ++ ttx | 20:16 |
| ttx | Those are pretty common in not-yet-official projects, and could be fixed post-approval | 20:16 |
| ttx | 4. Java-centric code organization and build system | 20:16 |
| ttx | I posted this one on the review today -- browsing the source code for storlets feels like walking on an alien planet. | 20:17 |
| annegentle | Can users only run Java? Or is this a "serverless" solution where compute processes could run as if SSHing in? | 20:17 |
| dhellmann | ttx: in the past we've asked to see some period of time with logged meetings before approving | 20:17 |
| ttx | It really feels like Python code bolted on a Java project rather than the other way around | 20:17 |
| dtroyer | dhellmann: ++ | 20:17 |
| fungi | fwiw, we already leverage openjsk in some infra jobs (and for some infra services) so it should be straightforward from a ci perspective | 20:17 |
| flaper87 | dhellmann: yeah | 20:17 |
| fungi | er, openjdk | 20:17 |
| ttx | dhellmann: yeah, which is why I raised it as an objection | 20:17 |
| dhellmann | ok, you said it could be fixed after | 20:17 |
| ttx | Given that the project should be open to other type of user-side workloads (including Python) I think the project should rather be Python with Java code bolted on top | 20:17 |
| ttx | dhellmann: my personal view on it, but yes, it adds up | 20:18 |
| ttx | That would make it more familiar for existing OpenStack developers and make it more like other OpenStack projects | 20:18 |
| ttx | Which brings us to the last objection | 20:18 |
| ttx | 5. Timing of the proposal | 20:18 |
| ttx | Overall it feels a bit early for this to be included as an OpenStack project. There seems to be a bit of code organization refactoring, documentation to do (like the README still containing boilerplate), also QA integration... | 20:18 |
| flaper87 | ++ | 20:18 |
| ttx | So it feels more like Ocata material than Newton, and I would rather delay this inclusion while we iron out those details, rather than fast-track it. | 20:18 |
| ttx | Also adding new projects at this stage of the cycle is slightly suboptimal (too late for release inclusion, bit late for ATC codes, too late to be included in Design Summit...) | 20:19 |
| flaper87 | right | 20:19 |
| ttx | Any other objection that I failed to capture ? Any comment on those objections ? | 20:19 |
| mordred | ttx: I think that's a good summary, and a good plan of action | 20:19 |
| mordred | I don't think any of the issues are insurmountable | 20:19 |
| dtroyer | Have they talked about the general security issue of running user code on servers? | 20:19 |
| flaper87 | Not sure if you mentioned the coding style but I did bring it up in the review | 20:19 |
| flaper87 | I like the plan of actions | 20:19 |
| mordred | and given the release timing, given them some time to deal with it and then return after the summit sounds perfectly reasonable | 20:19 |
| mtreinish | dtroyer: meh, it's containers all the security you need :) | 20:20 |
| ttx | Ideally we would have someone from the TC signing up to help them in the coming month(s) so that they can apply again at the start of Ocata | 20:20 |
| dims | mtreinish : LOL | 20:20 |
| ttx | but I'll admit my dance pad is full | 20:20 |
| annegentle | good outline thanks ttx anyone here from storelets? | 20:20 |
| ttx | annegentle: eranrom is here | 20:20 |
| flaper87 | ttx: I can help | 20:20 |
| flaper87 | eranrom: ^ | 20:20 |
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| eranrom | flaper87: ttx: Thanks! | 20:21 |
| ttx | flaper87: nice | 20:21 |
| ttx | #agreed flaper87 can mentor the storlets team for early addition in Ocata | 20:21 |
| dims | flaper87 : nice of you! | 20:21 |
| eranrom | Quick question: Could we still hold a (mini) design summit in Barcelona? | 20:21 |
| ttx | eranrom: none of those objections are insurmontable like mordred says. Just a bit of cleanup and process to follow and reapply when it's better time to do so | 20:21 |
| * flaper87 agrees with what's been agreed | 20:22 | |
| eranrom | ttx: Sure, thanks for the summary. We are on it | 20:22 |
| ttx | eranrom: we usually reach out to teams that have proposed recntlky to offer some space when there is space left (there usually is) | 20:22 |
| * flaper87 adds insurmontable to his dictionary | 20:22 | |
| eranrom | ttx: alright, thanks | 20:23 |
| ttx | eranrom: I'll be in touch in the coming weeks | 20:23 |
| flaper87 | eranrom: ditto | 20:23 |
| ttx | eranrom: do the objections all make sense ? | 20:23 |
| edleafe | flaper87: you should probably add "insurmountable" too :) | 20:23 |
| eranrom | ttx: Absolutley | 20:23 |
| ttx | (I bet flaper87 will help further explaining anyway | 20:23 |
| flaper87 | edleafe: jeeez, I knew I should have trusted the red line under insurmontable | 20:24 |
| annegentle | eranrom so is the idea to enable more end-user language options? | 20:24 |
| eranrom | yes, we are very actively working on Python now | 20:24 |
| ttx | It feels like it could support Go with minimal effort, and Python | 20:24 |
| annegentle | eranrom great, thanks | 20:25 |
| eranrom | ttx: correct | 20:25 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I added something about privsep vs that C code | 20:25 |
| ttx | OK, if no more questions, we can move to next topic | 20:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | its not a blocker, I am just curious what the difference is | 20:26 |
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| johnthetubaguy | but we can move on, we can talk about that in the review | 20:26 |
| ttx | johnthetubaguy: I think it's passing logging FDs around and expose them within the jvm, but I read quickly | 20:26 |
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| eranrom | johnthetubaguy: pardon my ignorance privsep? we can discuss offline though | 20:26 |
| dhellmann | eranrom : http://docs.openstack.org/developer/oslo.privsep/ | 20:27 |
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| johnthetubaguy | what dhellmann said^ | 20:27 |
| dhellmann | eranrom : also http://docs.openstack.org/developer/oslo.rootwrap/ which is the older lib, but may fit your use case better | 20:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | it might do what you need for those docker operations (it might not, but I was just curious really) | 20:27 |
| eranrom | sure, will have a look thanks! | 20:28 |
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| ttx | yeah, let's discuss that offline | 20:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | +1 | 20:28 |
| ttx | MOving on | 20:28 |
| dhellmann | ++ | 20:28 |
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| ttx | #topic Goals | 20:28 |
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| ttx | We have a number of reviews that iterate on the stuff we merged last meeting | 20:28 |
| ttx | First one expands the goal template with a section to reflect current state: | 20:28 |
| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/356674 | 20:28 |
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| ttx | Looks like a good idea that we can merge now | 20:28 |
| dhellmann | this was sdague's idea, for the record | 20:28 |
| flaper87 | sounds good to me | 20:29 |
| ttx | Objections ? | 20:29 |
| ttx | (change also applies said extra section to the already-approved copypaste-removal goal) | 20:30 |
| annegentle | we're not gonna make extra whitespace removal a requirement? I kid. | 20:30 |
| ttx | Alright, approving now | 20:30 |
| ttx | Second one is a bit of clean up following last meeting, adding reference to goals/ and the house rule to fast-track PTL responses to the goals | 20:31 |
| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/356699 | 20:31 |
| * ttx reads most recent patchset | 20:31 | |
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| dhellmann | thanks to annegentle for pointing out some clumsy wording there | 20:31 |
| ttx | Thanks annegentle -- when I don't parse a sentence I assume it's because I'm bad at English | 20:32 |
| dtroyer | yes, much clearer, thanks | 20:32 |
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| ttx | piling up +1s | 20:32 |
| annegentle | I'm bad at parsing usually | 20:32 |
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| ttx | 5 and counting | 20:33 |
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| mordred | dhellmann: I don't not have similar issues | 20:33 |
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| annegentle | hey, at least you're using genderless pronouns :) | 20:33 |
| dhellmann | mordred : don't be so negative ;-) | 20:34 |
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| ttx | Alright, another winner | 20:34 |
| mordred | dhellmann: negative is the new positive | 20:34 |
| ttx | Third one is an incremental improvement on the goals document wording: | 20:34 |
| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/356156 | 20:34 |
| ttx | There was an objection (from dhellmann and me) on the analyze part | 20:35 |
| ttx | + a minor wording suggestion | 20:35 |
| ttx | If those are the only objections, maybe do a quick new patchset ? | 20:35 |
| flaper87 | ++ | 20:35 |
| dtroyer | ++ | 20:35 |
| * flaper87 is ready to vote as soon as the new ps is up | 20:36 | |
| ttx | In the mean time we can discuss the last part | 20:36 |
| dims | agree on new ps | 20:36 |
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| ttx | annegentle: are you on a ps-regeneration-friendly setting ? | 20:36 |
| ttx | in* | 20:36 |
| ttx | a.k.a. not on your phone | 20:36 |
| annegentle | yeah | 20:36 |
| ttx | Do you agree with the proposed tweaks ? | 20:37 |
| * annegentle is never on a phone for irc | 20:37 | |
| ttx | never say never | 20:37 |
| annegentle | oh yes. I can change | 20:37 |
| ttx | OK, let's discuss py35 again in the mean time | 20:37 |
| ttx | So... last is the Python 3.5 support goal, which we left over last meeting to have more discussion on it: | 20:38 |
| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/349069 | 20:38 |
| ttx | I commented earlier today that as it stood the goal was slightly suboptimal, since it was a bit too asymmetric | 20:38 |
| ttx | with two teams already expected to miss it | 20:39 |
| dtroyer | I think this will not be the last time we come across a goal like that, which would otherwise be an easy decision | 20:39 |
| dims | or folks would have already done it :) | 20:39 |
| ttx | I still would very much like some py35 progress as a goal in Ocata though | 20:39 |
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| ttx | dhellmann suggested making unit tests optional in the goal | 20:40 |
| dhellmann | I think we can take 3 approaches here. | 20:40 |
| * flaper87 reads carefully | 20:40 | |
| dhellmann | 1. we can say up front that some projects aren't likely to finish their unit tests, and leave those as exceptions | 20:40 |
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| sdague | yeh, honestly, I think that from a global perspective, if you want a real move forward on python 3 support, we should only talk about full stack testing | 20:40 |
| dhellmann | 2. we can make unit tests entirely optional, which would maybe mean fewer projects actually update them than could | 20:40 |
| dhellmann | 3. we can remove all mention of unit tests for now | 20:40 |
| ttx | or 4. we can pick an completely-different goal entirely | 20:41 |
| dhellmann | sure, or 4 | 20:41 |
| sdague | I think that if the goals are layed out as are in that document, what you will actually get is folks focussing on unit / functional side | 20:41 |
| ttx | I'm 2 3 4 1 | 20:41 |
| sdague | and skipping the full stack, because it's harder | 20:41 |
| sdague | but if it's just full stack, you'll get more real progress in 3.5 support | 20:41 |
| fungi | yeah, even for a project as limited in scope as bindep, it took me enlisting someone to spend a fair amount of time to migrate from mox to mock so we could get py3k unit testing out of teh way | 20:41 |
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| dhellmann | sdague : I suppose that depends on the test coverage from any given layer of tests, which is why I included all 3 to start | 20:42 |
| sdague | it's not just about coverage | 20:42 |
| annegentle | I'm pro-4, but I couldn't come up with a solid new goal. | 20:42 |
| sdague | it's about what things look like when they are actually running, multi process | 20:42 |
| annegentle | You know I was thinking of an API reference consistency goal, but it doesn't compare/replace py3.5 | 20:42 |
| annegentle | so, yeah, didn't propose | 20:42 |
| ttx | sdague: do you think we could build a goal that would be "complete-able" and would advance full stack testing in for Ocata | 20:42 |
| flaper87 | Let's also keep in mind Ocata is a shorter cycle | 20:43 |
| ttx | ? | 20:43 |
| sdague | ttx: probably, though until we're in freeze it's hard to think about | 20:43 |
| flaper87 | I'm pro 2 3 4 1 too | 20:43 |
| annegentle | your brain froze too sdague ? :) | 20:43 |
| sdague | well, my brain is focussed on ensuring the placement api is ready to go | 20:43 |
| ttx | Shall we defer picking the second goal to post-FF ? | 20:43 |
| annegentle | ttx hm... | 20:44 |
| fungi | worth noting, that's really only applicable to stuff that's integration tested under devstack or has functional testing, right? there are a lot of "outside the stack" projects maintained by various teams | 20:44 |
| annegentle | is there a list of candidate 2nd goals anyone else has? | 20:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: +1 all your comments here, it feels like more focus on full stack would be better, but I am unsure how possible that is right now | 20:44 |
| dhellmann | annegentle : https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-tc-goals | 20:45 |
| annegentle | dhellmann perfect thanks | 20:45 |
| flaper87 | I would still like to see progress on the py3.5 work for ocata, tbh. If having it as a goal, even with optional bits, helps then I'm good with that | 20:45 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: right, honestly that ends up being something where what you really need is a couple of people to try the world, see what works, fall back, start filing bugs | 20:45 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sdague: yeah +1 | 20:45 |
| mtreinish | johnthetubaguy: I actually think that it would be easier than doing mox->mock in nova | 20:45 |
| dhellmann | annegentle : that said, I am strongly opposed to delaying work on the python 3 port any further. | 20:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | mtreinish: yeah, I totally think it is | 20:46 |
| clarkb | dhellmann: ++ | 20:46 |
| annegentle | dhellmann yeah | 20:46 |
| dhellmann | even if we reduce the scope of this goal, I think it's extremely important for us to start pushing | 20:46 |
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| flaper87 | dhellmann: exactly | 20:46 |
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| amrith | this isn't going to be the last time that we have a goal that some projects can't finish in one cycle. requiring that all projects finish the goal in 1 cycle limits the number of projects that would be candidate for these kinds of goals. Doesn't it make sense to stick with the goal with the known set of exceptions going in, with the understanding that those projects have one more cycle (and the goals from that cycle?) | 20:46 |
| sdague | dhellmann: right, I agree with you. I'm suggesting an approach that I think will move us further along | 20:46 |
| dhellmann | afaik, there are no other goals for which we have an external deadline | 20:46 |
| flaper87 | I would still like to see progress on the py3.5 work for ocata, tbh. If having it as a goal, even with optional bits, helps then I'm good with that | 20:46 |
| dims | dhellmann : keep unit/functional and drop integration for ocata? | 20:46 |
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| sdague | dims: no | 20:46 |
| dhellmann | sdague : yeah, I would rather focus on that than changing to a different goal | 20:47 |
| ttx | (FTR annegentle's new patchset is up at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/356156, please vote) | 20:47 |
| fungi | how about disabling all mock-using nova unit tests (and any others that spontaneously break) when tested under python 3.5? curious how involved that would be | 20:47 |
| sdague | dims: that's actually pretty much pointless I think | 20:47 |
| sdague | really, we're at this tipping point | 20:47 |
| sdague | 2 people and 4 weeks would probably get 1/2 the iaas projects over to a python 3 gate | 20:47 |
| sdague | for devstack | 20:48 |
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| fungi | which would then allow readding tests under the 3.5 job as they're updated to work there | 20:48 |
| dims | (provided sufficient core reviewers...yes) | 20:48 |
| sdague | and have a work list that shows the path forward | 20:48 |
| sdague | but, this isn't going to be a thing we can push out just to all the teams and assume that scatter gather works I don't think | 20:48 |
| sdague | I expect this only works with 1 or 2 drivers that are handling this globally as well | 20:48 |
| mtreinish | fungi: that's what the jobs do now iirc (they use a blacklist on py3) | 20:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | its more a central team that will create a bunch of work folks need to jump on, I guess? | 20:49 |
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| dhellmann | johnthetubaguy : no, I don't want anyone to assume that there is a team of folks standing by to submit these patches | 20:49 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: and shake out all the gate / devstack / tempest issues that I'm sure are there | 20:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | dhellmann: agreed we can't assume they are there, its just where the work will flow from (I need a better word than flow...) | 20:50 |
| ttx | OK, so it feels like we need to continue the discussion on this one and we won't solve it in the coming 5 minutes | 20:50 |
| dims | so we pick say a test (devstack+tempest) and say we should be able to run various things with a blacklist if needed | 20:50 |
| ttx | Should we have at thread ? Just wait post-FF so that people have more bandwidth ? | 20:50 |
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| ttx | a* | 20:51 |
| annegentle | we sorta need to just try out goals and learn from them. | 20:51 |
| sdague | ttx: sure. Though in my mind, I think we still need to understand if there will be global drivers for an activity like this | 20:51 |
| dims | ++ttx (post-FF) | 20:51 |
| sdague | because I actually don't think we'll make progress without that | 20:51 |
| annegentle | so maybe sticking with py35, documenting expectations, then having a post-mortem discussion helps the most | 20:51 |
| sdague | and it's not super clear that's part of this process | 20:51 |
| dims | sdague : i agree | 20:51 |
| sdague | that's where I'm having difficulty reconciling | 20:51 |
| annegentle | sdague you're likely correct (and steeped in experience) | 20:52 |
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| dims | kudos to haypo and others who brought us this far in python3 | 20:52 |
| sdague | because I think the folks pushing python3 thus far, are actually quite disconnected from full stack testing | 20:52 |
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| johnthetubaguy | feels like the full stack bit is the most important bit, and there is a big natural bottleneck in the middle | 20:52 |
| ttx | ok, let's discuss it again next week. Please vote on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/356156/ so that we can at least improve that one | 20:52 |
| sdague | dims: yes, definitely | 20:52 |
| ttx | s/improve/approve | 20:52 |
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| ttx | And let's move to open discussion | 20:53 |
| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 20:53 |
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| ttx | I had a quick question for that | 20:53 |
| ttx | regarding the proposed Ocata release schedule | 20:53 |
| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/357214/ | 20:53 |
| ttx | It's based on placing the release week the week of the PTG end of February | 20:53 |
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| ttx | As predicted that makes for a short cycle (13 weeks between DS and FF, including the end-of-year holiday period) | 20:53 |
| ttx | (to compare with recent history, Newton was 18, Mitaka was 18, Liberty was 15, Juno was 16) | 20:54 |
| ttx | A lot of projects already said they would take advantage of that to do some technical debt reduction (a.k.a. a stabilization cycle) | 20:54 |
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| mtreinish | does anyone have any objection to running the validation tox job nonvoting on projects.yaml changes? (I have that patch up) | 20:54 |
| ttx | Some have been wondering if the TC should not more aggressively encourage that line of thought | 20:54 |
| fungi | make it the "py3k cycle"? ;) | 20:54 |
| ttx | Thoughts on that ? | 20:54 |
| dims | fungi : ++ :) | 20:54 |
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| ttx | Personally I'd rather let project teams take it to their own conclusions | 20:55 |
| dtroyer | We've kicked that idea around for a long time, this is the natural time to do it | 20:55 |
| ttx | and focus on the goals soft-guidance instead | 20:55 |
| dims | ttx : +1 to soft-guidance | 20:55 |
| fungi | "themes" seem like a friendly way to encourage that | 20:55 |
| mtreinish | ttx: yeah, I think the soft approach makes sense here | 20:55 |
| ttx | We just need to make sure everyone realizes how short it is | 20:55 |
| ttx | but that's relmgt team work, not tc | 20:55 |
| ttx | mtreinish: go for it (non-voting job) | 20:56 |
| sdague | so, I almost feel like we should just call out R-8 as dead week | 20:56 |
| sdague | because, I can't imagine you'll have many reviewers working that week | 20:56 |
| ttx | sdague: right | 20:56 |
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| dims | relmgt can send out a email with the proposed dates and callout the # of weeks and R-8 etc | 20:57 |
| mtreinish | ttx: well it's mostly does anyone have a reason we shouldn't do: https://review.openstack.org/363165 | 20:57 |
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| dhellmann | I'm also considering proposing that we freeze all libraries the week before o-3 instead of splitting client and non-client -- the split has introduced some confusion in teams with libs that seem on the fence between client or not | 20:57 |
| mtreinish | I think it would be useful to get the metric tag info on proposed changes so we can easily refer to it in review | 20:57 |
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| mtreinish | the tradeoff is querying stackalytics is slow (it took ~15min locally to finish) | 20:58 |
| dhellmann | mtreinish : as long as it's non-voting, I don't have an issue. I just don't want the repo blocked when data outside our control changes the definition of "valid" | 20:58 |
| dims | dhellmann : the problem there is the requirements need to be updated.. | 20:58 |
| fungi | in the past it was because non-client library releases needed to get updated in caps in client library requirement files during the intervening week | 20:58 |
| fungi | now we're hopefully relying a lot more on constraints and less on requirements cap bumps though | 20:58 |
| ttx | still short of one vote on Anne's https://review.openstack.org/#/c/356156/ | 20:58 |
| mtreinish | dhellmann: yeah definitely, I made sure to leave it nonvoting | 20:58 |
| dhellmann | dims : what fungi said | 20:58 |
| dtroyer | should we just limit the client bits to that then? | 20:59 |
| dims | ack dhellmann fungi | 20:59 |
| ttx | thx sdague | 20:59 |
| yuval | Sorry to pop in, yuval from smaug/karbor. Would like to update that smaug repo will be renamed karbor this weekend by the infra team. Just want to make sure it's ok to do so when the governance patch ( https://review.openstack.org/#/c/353278/ ) vote is still running | 20:59 |
| dhellmann | dtroyer : ? | 20:59 |
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| dhellmann | yuval : yes | 20:59 |
| ttx | yuval: i'll approve that one as soon as the rename is done | 20:59 |
| dtroyer | limit the clients to settling the requirements in the following week after lib freeze | 20:59 |
| yuval | dhellmann: ttx: thanks | 20:59 |
| ttx | Alright, one min left | 20:59 |
| ttx | Anything else, anyone ? | 21:00 |
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| ttx | Taking that as no | 21:00 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 30 21:00:48 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| ttx | Thanks everyone | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2016/tc.2016-08-30-20.01.html | 21:00 |
| amrith | thx ttx | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2016/tc.2016-08-30-20.01.txt | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2016/tc.2016-08-30-20.01.log.html | 21:00 |
| dims | thanks ttx, bye everyone | 21:01 |
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