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| hongbin | #startmeeting zun | 03:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 16 03:00:08 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hongbin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 03:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 03:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'zun' | 03:00 |
| hongbin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Zun#Agenda_for_2016-08-16_0300_UTC Today's agenda | 03:00 |
| sudipto | o/ | 03:00 |
| hongbin | #topic Roll Call | 03:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:00 | |
| yuanying | OTSUKA, Motohiro | 03:00 |
| Wenzhi | Wenzhi | 03:00 |
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| hongbin | Thanks for joining the meeting sudipto yuanying Wenzhi | 03:01 |
| hongbin | Pause a few more seconds for potential attendees | 03:01 |
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| hongbin | I know Madhuri is not able to join today | 03:02 |
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| hongbin | OK. Let's start | 03:03 |
| hongbin | #topic Announcements | 03:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:03 | |
| hongbin | 1. I am proposing Sudipta Biswas and Wenzhi Yu to join the core team. Your feedback on the ML are welcome :). | 03:03 |
| hongbin | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-August/101344.html | 03:03 |
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| hongbin | #topic Review Action Items | 03:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review Action Items (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:03 | |
| eliqiao | hi | 03:03 |
| hongbin | 1. hongbin created a BP for multi-tenancy support (DONE) | 03:03 |
| hongbin | eliqiao: hey | 03:03 |
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| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/support-multi-tenancy | 03:04 |
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| hongbin | Thanks Wenzhi for volunteering to take this BP | 03:04 |
| Wenzhi | I'll work on that | 03:04 |
| yanyanhu | hi, sorry just finished another meeting | 03:04 |
| Wenzhi | np :) | 03:04 |
| hongbin | yanyanhu: NP. Glad that you are here :) | 03:04 |
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| eliqiao | does multi-tenancy support mean that we can allow mulitple container running on same host? | 03:05 |
| hongbin | Wenzhi: For the multi-tenancy BP, what I normally do is to ask the owner to report status every week at the meeting | 03:05 |
| hongbin | Wenzhi: Do you mind to do that? | 03:05 |
| Wenzhi | sure thing | 03:05 |
| hongbin | Wenzhi: thx :) | 03:05 |
| Wenzhi | np | 03:05 |
| hongbin | eliqiao: NO, that is different thing | 03:06 |
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| hongbin | eliqiao: multi-tenancy support simply means hide containers from other tenants | 03:06 |
| hongbin | eliqiao: For example, in Nova, you cannot list VMs from other tenants | 03:06 |
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| eliqiao | okay, seems same as magnum/nova implementation. | 03:06 |
| hongbin | yes | 03:06 |
| eliqiao | we need to consider more since we are containers not VMs | 03:07 |
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| hongbin | That is correct | 03:07 |
| eliqiao | for the containers' isolation issue etc. | 03:07 |
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| hongbin | Yes, isolation is another thing we need to solve | 03:07 |
| sudipto | from multi-tenancy per say - we would probably want to define quotas too? | 03:07 |
| hongbin | sudipto: Yes, possibly | 03:07 |
| hongbin | sudipto: Like how many containers a tenant can create ? | 03:08 |
| sudipto | hongbin, yeah | 03:08 |
| hongbin | sudipto: that would be a cool feature | 03:08 |
| hongbin | definitely, it can be implemented | 03:08 |
| sudipto | and then i was thinking, if we want to do a COE implementation - we probably have to have that same quota imposed in a different way for a cluster. | 03:08 |
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| hongbin | same quota imposed across different COEs? | 03:09 |
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| sudipto | cluster = sum(containers) . so that could mean two impositions, one on the level of clusters - how many clusters can a user provision + how many containers can be within in. | 03:09 |
| sudipto | but both can be independent of each other. | 03:10 |
| hongbin | interesting idea | 03:10 |
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| Wenzhi | how about different quota for clusters and containers | 03:11 |
| sudipto | and then depends on what level of exposure we have - w.r.t IPs - if we want to have quota imposed at the level of services (like k8s) - then it's a different thing vs having it on crude containers. | 03:11 |
| sudipto | so yeah - i guess it deserves a ether pad discussion too IMHO. | 03:11 |
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| Wenzhi | I'll create that etherpad | 03:12 |
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| hongbin | Cool. Anything else regarding to the multi-tenancy topic? | 03:12 |
| sudipto | are we aiming at segregate the COE implementation completely from the native docker APIs? | 03:12 |
| Qiming | -1 to inventing a zun-specific quota management ifra | 03:13 |
| sudipto | as in it's an either and or? | 03:13 |
| Wenzhi | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zun-multi-tenancy | 03:13 |
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| hongbin | sudipto: My understanding is we are doing the container api now | 03:14 |
| sudipto | Qiming, ideally the quota management should be at the level of keystone, however all the projects seems to have implemented their own ways of doing it right? | 03:14 |
| Qiming | sudipto, check this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/284454/ | 03:14 |
| sudipto | Qiming, sigh. I was involved in this effort :) | 03:15 |
| sudipto | sadly i don't think it's going to fly. | 03:15 |
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| Qiming | it is not specific to any individual project ... if openstack doesn't provide quota management, fine, it is a cross-project thing, if there is one, it should be a cross-project solution | 03:15 |
| sudipto | agreed. | 03:16 |
| sudipto | however, there's none at the m moment. | 03:16 |
| Qiming | right, cross-project thing is never easy ... sigh | 03:16 |
| sudipto | and delimiter is not going anywhere either. | 03:16 |
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| sudipto | delimiter ideally should have been done as a keystone API. | 03:16 |
| sudipto | However, if you want the latest status, i can get back in the next meeting with the same. | 03:16 |
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| Qiming | great, don't want to hijack the meeting, :) | 03:17 |
| sudipto | Qiming, :) sure. | 03:17 |
| eliqiao | Seems we can have a new service to deal with quota for all OpenStack service :) | 03:17 |
| Wenzhi | hha | 03:17 |
| Qiming | eliqiao, +100 | 03:17 |
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| hongbin | OK. Let's advance topic | 03:17 |
| hongbin | #topic Runtimes API design (mkrai) | 03:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Runtimes API design (mkrai) (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:18 | |
| hongbin | Madhuri is not able to attend today | 03:18 |
| hongbin | However, her patches were landed | 03:18 |
| hongbin | The basic runtime API was implemented | 03:18 |
| hongbin | For everyone, you could try the runtime API now and feedback are welcome | 03:18 |
| hongbin | Just pull the lastest server and client project | 03:19 |
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| sudipto | yeah, i have been trying to use it - however i was busy doing customer travels the last entire week. I am trying to build this thing in a docker container and see how it behaves. | 03:19 |
| hongbin | sudipto: great | 03:20 |
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| hongbin | Ideally, there is a devstack support to set everyone up | 03:20 |
| eliqiao | I tried yesterday, work well to create a new container | 03:20 |
| hongbin | That might come later | 03:20 |
| eliqiao | filed a bug for container naming stuff. | 03:20 |
| hongbin | s/everything/everyone/ | 03:20 |
| sudipto | eliqiao, great. | 03:20 |
| eliqiao | and seems need to improve exception handling later, but we can do it evently. | 03:20 |
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| hongbin | OK. any other comments for this topic? | 03:21 |
| hongbin | #topic Nova integration (Namrata) | 03:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Nova integration (Namrata) (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:21 | |
| eliqiao | sudipto: FYI, need to run zun-compute as root or docker user because zun-compute uses unix socket to talk with docker daemon | 03:21 |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/nova-integration The BP | 03:21 |
| hongbin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zun-containers-nova-integration The etherpad | 03:21 |
| sudipto | eliqiao, alright, thanks! | 03:22 |
| hongbin | It looks Mamrata is not here | 03:22 |
| hongbin | However, I saw a spec was uploaded | 03:23 |
| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/354553/ | 03:23 |
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| hongbin | I looked thought the spec. It looks more details need to be filled at the implementation session | 03:24 |
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| hongbin | Let's work with Namrata offline in this regards | 03:25 |
| hongbin | #topic Container image store | 03:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Container image store (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:25 | |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/glance-integration | 03:25 |
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| hongbin | This is the BP about a docker image store solution | 03:25 |
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| hongbin | So far, there is not too much information there | 03:26 |
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| hongbin | The general idea is to use Glance as contaienr image store | 03:26 |
| eliqiao | can flwang provide some advanced information from glance? | 03:27 |
| hongbin | The difficulty is that Glance don't support layer of images so far | 03:27 |
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| hongbin | I and flwang talked to the Glance PTL before | 03:27 |
| hongbin | It seems it will take a while to land the image layer support in Glance | 03:28 |
| eliqiao | do we need to hard depend on glance? | 03:28 |
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| hongbin | eliqiao: there are alternatives though | 03:28 |
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| hongbin | eliqiao: which is using docker registry | 03:29 |
| hongbin | eliqiao: The dackback is the multi-tenancy support is week at docker registry | 03:29 |
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| hongbin | A third soluation is to implement a private docker registry API as a service | 03:30 |
| hongbin | Maybe we could brainstorm all the ideas in an etherpad | 03:30 |
| eliqiao | +1 | 03:31 |
| hongbin | #action hongbin creates an etherpad to brainstorm ideas for container image store solution | 03:31 |
| sudipto | +1 | 03:31 |
| hongbin | Any other comments / remarks ? | 03:31 |
| hongbin | OK. Then, let's start the open discussion | 03:32 |
| hongbin | #topic Open Discussion | 03:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:32 | |
| hongbin | sudipto: what do you think about the image store solution? | 03:33 |
| sudipto | hongbin, i would think that - we should not invest too much time in dependency resolution for other projects - which in this case is glance. It's easier to go with a private docker registry for starts and build the support around it. | 03:34 |
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| hongbin | sudipto: I see | 03:34 |
| sudipto | because, building this support in glance is a different beast all together. It would also depend on that project's maintainership headache - how comfortable they are with this etc. | 03:35 |
| sudipto | and that would slow down our goals. | 03:35 |
| hongbin | That is true | 03:35 |
| hongbin | If it is not done in Glance, it seems we need to implement one? | 03:35 |
| hongbin | and skip Glance? | 03:36 |
| Wenzhi | we can build our own first | 03:36 |
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| sudipto | i believe you had a talk with Nikhil? | 03:36 |
| hongbin | Yes, I had | 03:36 |
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| * nikhil lurks | 03:37 | |
| hongbin | nikhil: hey | 03:37 |
| nikhil | o/ | 03:37 |
| sudipto | nikhil, glad to see you? | 03:37 |
| sudipto | s/?/! | 03:37 |
| nikhil | ha :) | 03:37 |
| nikhil | right back at'ya | 03:37 |
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| sudipto | nikhil, your valuable inputs would help us here :) | 03:37 |
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| nikhil | you guys planning this for newton? | 03:38 |
| nikhil | or ocata? | 03:38 |
| hongbin | nikhil: there is no specific deadline | 03:38 |
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| nikhil | hongbin: I would definitely love to see the requirements list for you guys | 03:38 |
| nikhil | hongbin: I am not sure atm to advice either way. The depenency mgmt is something that can be handled by glare | 03:39 |
| hongbin | nikhil: you want we list hte requirements here or send it in the ML? | 03:39 |
| nikhil | hongbin: a spec would be nice | 03:39 |
| hongbin | nikhil: ack | 03:39 |
| nikhil | (or a BP if you use that) | 03:39 |
| hongbin | sure | 03:40 |
| hongbin | nikhil: Thanks for the guidance :) | 03:40 |
| sudipto | so nikhil, you basically want us to list down - what we need from the image management project right? | 03:40 |
| sudipto | (just to be sure) | 03:40 |
| nikhil | hongbin: tbh, I wouldn't recommend a separate solution currently .. because there are many cases where it will become difficult. But best to discuss the details of "whys" and "whats" | 03:41 |
| nikhil | sudipto: yeah | 03:41 |
| sudipto | ok i should re-visit the task - i was supposed to do with you - around 2 months back :) | 03:41 |
| nikhil | ++ | 03:41 |
| hongbin | nikhil: get that | 03:41 |
| nikhil | we can start with an etherpad and then go to spec if that's what you guys prefer | 03:42 |
| hongbin | sure | 03:42 |
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| hongbin | OK. Looks like nobody else has other topics to discuss? | 03:43 |
| hongbin | Then, we can end the meeting earlier | 03:44 |
| hongbin | All, thanks for joining the meeting today | 03:44 |
| hongbin | #endmeeting | 03:44 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 16 03:44:32 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 03:44 |
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| loquacities | hiya | 06:00 |
| loquacities | anyone here for the install guide meeting? | 06:00 |
| ildikov | o/ | 06:00 |
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| loquacities | hi ildikov o/ | 06:00 |
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| ildikov | hi Lana :) | 06:01 |
| loquacities | just the two of us tonight? | 06:01 |
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| ildikov | it seems or maybe others are just late | 06:02 |
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| loquacities | well, let's give it a couple of minutes | 06:02 |
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| ildikov | okay | 06:02 |
| katomo | o/ | 06:03 |
| loquacities | hi katomo | 06:03 |
| loquacities | #startmeeting docinstallteam | 06:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 16 06:04:13 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is loquacities. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 06:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 06:04 |
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| loquacities | ok, this'll be quick, i don't really have anything to report | 06:04 |
| loquacities | #topic testing | 06:04 |
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| loquacities | so i'm planning on kicking this off next week | 06:04 |
| ildikov | I was a bit out from this activity so I thought to catch up on where we are now | 06:05 |
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| loquacities | which means i'll go through the bug list, etc | 06:05 |
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| loquacities | ildikov: ok, let's go through status on the next agenda item | 06:05 |
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| loquacities | any questions/comments on testing first of all? | 06:06 |
| ildikov | loquacities: cool, tnx | 06:06 |
| katomo | none | 06:06 |
| ildikov | do we have people to test or how does it usually work? | 06:06 |
| loquacities | i admit i'm not properly into release mode yet, but i promise to start next week, once i've gotten some other work out of the way | 06:06 |
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| loquacities | ildikov: i'll contact the package maintainers, and our cross project liaisons | 06:07 |
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| loquacities | i'll also ping the usual suspects ;) | 06:07 |
| ildikov | a-ha, ok, sounds good :) | 06:07 |
| loquacities | :) | 06:07 |
| loquacities | ok, let's move on | 06:07 |
| loquacities | #topic Work Items | 06:07 |
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| loquacities | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/InstallGuideWorkItems | 06:07 |
| loquacities | so, in terms of the project-specific guides, everything is in place | 06:08 |
| loquacities | many projects have their guides up | 06:08 |
| loquacities | we just need to review the core services guide, which is smaller than previously | 06:08 |
| katomo | \o/ | 06:08 |
| loquacities | i would like to get a comprehensive list of which projects have guides ready to be published for newton, but i haven't done that thing yet | 06:09 |
| ildikov | Is there any draft published version out already? | 06:09 |
| ildikov | Or it's the next step to compile all these guides into one? | 06:10 |
| loquacities | you can see it on /draft for each project repo | 06:10 |
| loquacities | we have the index page up | 06:10 |
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| katomo | #link http://docs.openstack.org/project-install-guide/draft/ | 06:10 |
| loquacities | it can probably do with another patch to improve it, but that's cosmetic | 06:10 |
| loquacities | thanks katomo | 06:10 |
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| ildikov | katomo: thanks! | 06:11 |
| ildikov | loquacities: sure, I just wanted to see the structure in the sense of how readable that is at this stage | 06:11 |
| ildikov | loquacities: when you start the cosmetics phase that can be a never ending story, so I would not want to force that :) | 06:12 |
| loquacities | yeah, that will be ongoing, anyway, so i'm really not worried about it | 06:12 |
| katomo | :) | 06:13 |
| ildikov | loquacities: +1 | 06:13 |
| loquacities | so about the only actual work item outstanding is the testing automation | 06:13 |
| loquacities | and i'm not holding my breath ;) | 06:13 |
| loquacities | anyway, that's about all i have | 06:14 |
| loquacities | any other comments? | 06:14 |
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| katomo | nothing from me | 06:15 |
| loquacities | i'll take that as a no ;) | 06:15 |
| loquacities | ok, thanks katomo | 06:15 |
| loquacities | thanks for stopping by, both of you :) | 06:15 |
| ildikov | I'm still waking up :) | 06:15 |
| katomo | :) | 06:15 |
| loquacities | ildikov: lol, i'm about done for the day ;) | 06:15 |
| ildikov | so sorry for my quietness and dumb questions, I'll improve for next time! ;) | 06:15 |
| loquacities | heh, it's all good | 06:15 |
| loquacities | go have a coffee! | 06:16 |
| loquacities | o/ | 06:16 |
| loquacities | #endmeeting | 06:16 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 16 06:16:07 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 06:16 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docinstallteam/2016/docinstallteam.2016-08-16-06.04.html | 06:16 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docinstallteam/2016/docinstallteam.2016-08-16-06.04.txt | 06:16 |
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| ildikov | loquacities: I'm on it, thanks :) | 06:16 |
| katomo | thanks, loquacities, ildikov | 06:16 |
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| loquacities | thanks :) | 06:16 |
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| ildikov | thanks :) | 06:16 |
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| saggi | #startmeeting karbor | 09:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 16 09:03:45 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is saggi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: karbor)" | 09:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'karbor' | 09:03 |
| saggi | Hi everyone | 09:03 |
| yuval | hello | 09:03 |
| chenying | hi | 09:03 |
| saggi | 1st karbor meeting | 09:04 |
| xiangxinyong | hello | 09:04 |
| zengchen | good morning | 09:04 |
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| xiangxinyong | morning sir | 09:04 |
| saggi | #topic renaming issues | 09:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "renaming issues (Meeting topic: karbor)" | 09:04 | |
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| saggi | I saw that there are already patches for renaming | 09:05 |
| saggi | But as yuval found out we can't change some stuff until the renaming window | 09:05 |
| chenying | I will submit a patch of smaug-dashbard for name change today. | 09:05 |
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| saggi | the question is should we change all the import now or later | 09:05 |
| yuval | We can start renaming stuff (code, deliverables, etc) but the repistory name will have to wait until the gerrit maintenance window | 09:06 |
| saggi | yuval: can we rename\alias the packages? | 09:06 |
| saggi | Thank I think we should rename now | 09:06 |
| saggi | who agrees? | 09:06 |
| yuval | I agree | 09:06 |
| chenying | why | 09:06 |
| saggi | We don't have a lot of projects depend on us now. | 09:06 |
| yuval | The maintenance window could take a few weeks and we are in the middle of the transition | 09:07 |
| saggi | Any import path change will cause them to rename as well | 09:07 |
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| saggi | renaming now ill make it easier for people to depend on karbor | 09:07 |
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| chenying | only rename\alias the packages smaug to karbor? | 09:09 |
| yuval | btw, yinwei, zhonghua here? | 09:09 |
| yuval | smile-loubin? | 09:09 |
| saggi | #startvote Should we rename code now? Yes, No | 09:09 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Should we rename code now? Valid vote options are Yes, No. | 09:09 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 09:09 |
| saggi | Yes | 09:10 |
| yuval | chenying: any reason why not to change? | 09:10 |
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| saggi | confusing with the repository? | 09:10 |
| zhonghua | hi, sorry for my late coming | 09:10 |
| saggi | maybe the packages can't be changed? | 09:10 |
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| yuval | saggi: we should also rename on pypi | 09:11 |
| chenying | I think we shoudld change code now. I mistake it. | 09:11 |
| yuval | #vote yes | 09:11 |
| zhonghua | saggi: sorry, I am late, what are we voting for? | 09:11 |
| yuval | #vote Yes | 09:12 |
| saggi | #vote Yes | 09:12 |
| xiangxinyong | guys, so the another meaning of this vote is whether merged this code https://review.openstack.org/#/c/354024/? | 09:12 |
| chenying | #vote yes | 09:12 |
| saggi | zhonghua: On whether to change the code now or later | 09:12 |
| saggi | after the repo change | 09:12 |
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| zhonghua | saggi: thanks | 09:13 |
| zhonghua | #vote Yes | 09:13 |
| yuval | please note that we need to make a small change to project-config to make the fullstack ci work correctly after we change the karbor directory | 09:13 |
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| saggi | I'm ending the vote | 09:13 |
| saggi | #endvote | 09:13 |
| openstack | Voted on "Should we rename code now?" Results are | 09:13 |
| openstack | Yes (4): saggi, chenying, zhonghua, yuval | 09:13 |
| saggi | OK, a lot of patches are going to break so let's fast track these patches | 09:14 |
| chenying | I am afraid that if the repo have not been changed, the CI may be failed/ | 09:14 |
| yuval | saggi: I think there are some patches we must pass before | 09:14 |
| saggi | yuval: Which? | 09:14 |
| xiangxinyong | I agree | 09:15 |
| yuval | https://review.openstack.org/355427 | 09:15 |
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| yuval | fixes fullstack | 09:15 |
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| saggi | I was close to passing a few minutes ago | 09:16 |
| xiangxinyong | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/355709/ | 09:16 |
| chenying | I will rebase the patch of smaug about name change. | 09:16 |
| yuval | chenying: only fullstack will break, we need to make a slight change to project-config in order to make it work again | 09:16 |
| xiangxinyong | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/355771/ | 09:16 |
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| xiangxinyong | could you merge these two patches? | 09:17 |
| saggi | I added the workflow to it | 09:17 |
| chenying | I submit the patch about name change. I have kept all the unit tests Ok. | 09:17 |
| xiangxinyong | They are simple, but it is important | 09:17 |
| saggi | They already had +2 from me | 09:17 |
| xiangxinyong | thanks | 09:18 |
| chenying | xiangxinyong: You can wait the patch about name change is merged. | 09:18 |
| saggi | So I'll give priority to renaming patches. | 09:18 |
| yuval | chenying: saggi: please wait before you merge the name change. we need to post a fullstack fix to project-config | 09:19 |
| yuval | also verify deliverables are ok | 09:19 |
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| yuval | not sure we can change setup.cfg as it affects packages and maybe pypi | 09:20 |
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| yuval | also we cant change the name of packages. smaug depends on python-smaugclient which requires a a change in requirements project | 09:21 |
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| saggi | yuval: We could just have new packages. | 09:22 |
| saggi | the old packages would still exists but never updated | 09:22 |
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| saggi | projects that need to upgrade will change the dependency | 09:22 |
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| yuval | saggi: IMO smaug cannot depend on python-karborclient unless it is added to openstack/requirements | 09:23 |
| saggi | than we should add it there | 09:23 |
| chenying | I have comment the python-karborclient in the requirements.txt. | 09:23 |
| yuval | ok, let's continue the technicals after the meeting | 09:24 |
| saggi | #topic How d#topic Dashboard Items Review (xiangxinyong) | 09:25 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "How d#topic Dashboard Items Review (xiangxinyong) (Meeting topic: karbor)" | 09:25 | |
| saggi | #topic topic Dashboard Items Review (xiangxinyong) | 09:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "topic Dashboard Items Review (xiangxinyong) (Meeting topic: karbor)" | 09:25 | |
| saggi | #topic Dashboard Items Review (xiangxinyong) | 09:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Dashboard Items Review (xiangxinyong) (Meeting topic: karbor)" | 09:25 | |
| xiangxinyong | we could review these dashboard patches, since some vendors are using karbor to develop their plugin. | 09:25 |
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| xiangxinyong | But it seems like if these patches are merged, chenying will rebase his patch | 09:25 |
| saggi | They have reviews | 09:25 |
| xiangxinyong | thanks saggi | 09:25 |
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| yuval | I'll try to get to it | 09:26 |
| xiangxinyong | thanks yuval | 09:26 |
| saggi | xiangxinyong: The problem is I'm kind of reluctant to do workflow+1 on the dashboard. | 09:26 |
| saggi | I can do it but I'm not always sure about the order | 09:27 |
| xiangxinyong | oh | 09:28 |
| saggi | #topic Support checkpoint scheduled clean (xiangxinyong) | 09:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Support checkpoint scheduled clean (xiangxinyong) (Meeting topic: karbor)" | 09:28 | |
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| xiangxinyong | I have updated this spec. | 09:28 |
| saggi | The bp is up. It looks OK to me apart from some of the technical details are missing. | 09:28 |
| saggi | When will the check happen | 09:28 |
| xiangxinyong | The scheduled operation is triggered | 09:29 |
| xiangxinyong | I have updated the database struct. | 09:29 |
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| zhonghua | are we sure to restore the checkpoint into two places? | 09:29 |
| saggi | So it will check for deletions when it start to backup? | 09:30 |
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| saggi | If the maximum is changed than it will have to wait until the next tirggering to delete | 09:30 |
| saggi | I'm OK with that | 09:30 |
| chenying | The bp now add a database table checkpoint_records. when we create/update checkpoint data in bank. at the same time, create/update the data in datbase. | 09:30 |
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| xiangxinyong | saggi: yeah | 09:30 |
| xiangxinyong | chenying: +1 | 09:31 |
| saggi | I'll probably +2 and merge it later today if it doesn't have any objections on it. | 09:31 |
| saggi | I'm still waiting for +2s on my BP | 09:31 |
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| zhonghua | xiangxiyong: do you consider to config the bank as an optional store place? | 09:31 |
| xiangxinyong | Thanks saggi | 09:31 |
| saggi | #topic The new implementation about the 'suspend/resume' operation (zengchen) | 09:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "The new implementation about the 'suspend/resume' operation (zengchen) (Meeting topic: karbor)" | 09:32 | |
| yuval | zhonghua: what do you mean as an optional store place? | 09:32 |
| zhonghua | yuval: let us discuss later | 09:32 |
| yuval | zhonghua: ok | 09:32 |
| xiangxinyong | zhonghua: ok | 09:32 |
| zengchen | saggi:do you have seen my comments? | 09:32 |
| saggi | zengchen: This is what I don't understand. We can now update (in the classic sense) an operation. | 09:33 |
| saggi | Why do we need this specialized mechanism? | 09:34 |
| saggi | It's not that bad to send the entire object. | 09:34 |
| saggi | and it keeps the interface as a classic REST API | 09:34 |
| zengchen | saggi:first we have not senario to update the operation except the 'suspend/resume' operation | 09:35 |
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| saggi | zengchen: Changing the plan attached | 09:35 |
| saggi | changing the trigger | 09:36 |
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| zengchen | saggi:I mean user can 'suspend/resume' operation by invoking 'update' interface. | 09:37 |
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| saggi | I think we shouldn't have the update interface. Use the regular POST update and send the full object. | 09:37 |
| zengchen | saggi:yes, i aggree with you. | 09:38 |
| saggi | That just have the suspend\resume us it. | 09:38 |
| saggi | Let's first see if it becomes and issues before adding something specialized for it. | 09:38 |
| zengchen | saggi:if we want to update the operation, we should define the senarioes. | 09:39 |
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| zengchen | saggi:i mean update the operation by different senario. | 09:40 |
| saggi | You just need to look at the new object and compare it to the new one. | 09:41 |
| saggi | 1. If the trigger changed you need to unregister from the old one and register to the new | 09:41 |
| saggi | 2. If the plan changed just update it in the DB | 09:41 |
| saggi | 3. if the status changed wither remove or add to the trigger. | 09:41 |
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| zengchen | saggi:it is not only update the db, but also update the logic. | 09:41 |
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| saggi | Other fields are only relevant upon triggering | 09:42 |
| zengchen | saggi:i understand you. i will try. but it is not simple. | 09:43 |
| saggi | zengchen: Thanks | 09:43 |
| saggi | #topic New protection plugin I/S implementation (yuvalbr) | 09:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "New protection plugin I/S implementation (yuvalbr) (Meeting topic: karbor)" | 09:43 | |
| saggi | I will go over it TODAY! | 09:43 |
| yuval | lol | 09:43 |
| saggi | It's just so long | 09:43 |
| yuval | :\ | 09:44 |
| saggi | and daunting | 09:44 |
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| yuval | has anyone else had the chance to look into it? | 09:44 |
| chenying | I think these patches in smaug wait the patch about name change being merged/ | 09:44 |
| saggi | chenying: It's a huge patch. It will probably get a bunch of revisions. Review it now but we will push it after the name change. | 09:45 |
| chenying | It is terrible for me to rebase the patch. | 09:45 |
| saggi | Everyone please review it. It's important since we need it for things like guest agent support and it's a must for stabilizing the plugin interface. | 09:45 |
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| saggi | chenying: We will not push it before the name change. But you can star leaving comments about the content | 09:46 |
| chenying | saggi: Ok | 09:46 |
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| saggi | yuval: Anything you would like to add? | 09:47 |
| yuval | saggi: bope | 09:47 |
| yuval | *nope | 09:47 |
| saggi | #topic open discussion | 09:47 |
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| saggi | Anything else? | 09:47 |
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| saggi | OK than we're done | 09:49 |
| saggi | Thanks everyone | 09:49 |
| xiangxinyong | Thanks | 09:49 |
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| saggi | #endmeeting | 09:49 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 09:49 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 16 09:49:49 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/karbor/2016/karbor.2016-08-16-09.03.html | 09:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/karbor/2016/karbor.2016-08-16-09.03.txt | 09:49 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/karbor/2016/karbor.2016-08-16-09.03.log.html | 09:49 |
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| Qiming | #startmeeting senlin | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 16 13:00:32 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Qiming. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: senlin)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'senlin' | 13:00 |
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| Qiming | hello | 13:01 |
| elynn | Hi | 13:01 |
| yanyan | hi | 13:01 |
| guoshan | hey,yo | 13:01 |
| lixinhui_ | hi | 13:01 |
| Qiming | I don't have extra items to put into the agenda | 13:01 |
| Qiming | if you have got one or two, please update it here: | 13:01 |
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| Qiming | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SenlinAgenda#Weekly_Senlin_.28Clustering.29_meeting | 13:01 |
| Qiming | evening everyone | 13:01 |
| Qiming | #topic newton work items | 13:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "newton work items (Meeting topic: senlin)" | 13:02 | |
| Qiming | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/senlin-newton-workitems | 13:02 |
| Qiming | let's start with the etherpad, as usuall | 13:02 |
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| yanyan | hi, about rally support | 13:03 |
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| yanyan | I'm working on context for senlin resources, like profile or cluster per roman's suggestion | 13:03 |
| yanyan | profile context patch has been proposed and roman has left some comments there | 13:04 |
| yanyan | will keep working on it in coming week | 13:04 |
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| yanyan | after that, will be cluster context which will be useful for test case like cluster scaling, resizing | 13:04 |
| Qiming | any plan on how many test cases we want to land in rally? | 13:04 |
| yanyan | currently, I plan for cluster creating, resizing, scaling, deleting, node creating, deleting | 13:05 |
| yanyan | and also lb policy related ones | 13:05 |
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| yanyan | since those operations could have concurrent issue | 13:05 |
| Qiming | is lb related test cases relevant to performance? | 13:06 |
| yanyan | em, actually it's more about lbaas's performance I feel | 13:06 |
| Qiming | exactly, I'm a little bit concerned about lbaas/octavia's stability | 13:06 |
| yanyan | but since there is still chance senlin's problem to cause concurrency issue, maybe we need related test case | 13:07 |
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| yanyan | Qiming, yes, that could be a problem | 13:07 |
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| Qiming | if it is not stable, then we are propagating that problem into rally | 13:07 |
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| Qiming | it seems to me rally gate is already fragile | 13:07 |
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| yanyan | Qiming, yes. But use can also make test locally using those test scenarios | 13:08 |
| Qiming | rally is for performance test, maybe we can use tempest for concurrency tests? | 13:08 |
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| yanyan | will could be more practical | 13:08 |
| Qiming | yes | 13:08 |
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| yanyan | Qiming, yes, sorry my expression is not accurate | 13:08 |
| Qiming | that makes some more senses to me | 13:08 |
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| yanyan | so, that is my current plan | 13:08 |
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| Qiming | sorry I haven't got cycles to spit on that patch 346656 | 13:09 |
| Qiming | great | 13:09 |
| yanyan | will also listen to users' voice, like voice from cmcc guys :) | 13:09 |
| yanyan | Qiming, no problem | 13:09 |
| yanyan | it is now blocked for context support | 13:09 |
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| yanyan | will revise it later after profile/cluster context is ready | 13:09 |
| Qiming | okay, that is a technical problem, can fixed eventually when we work harder on it | 13:10 |
| yanyan | yes | 13:10 |
| Qiming | not so worried about it | 13:10 |
| yanyan | :) | 13:10 |
| Qiming | next thing is integration test | 13:10 |
| yanyan | yes, it still doesn't work correctly... | 13:10 |
| yanyan | need further fix | 13:10 |
| Qiming | I haven't checked any integration test log recently, because they are not voting, ;) | 13:11 |
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| yanyan | I have proposed the patch | 13:11 |
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| yanyan | Qiming, it is ok I think | 13:11 |
| yanyan | we can make it vote after it works correctly | 13:11 |
| Qiming | sure | 13:11 |
| yanyan | https://review.openstack.org/354566 | 13:11 |
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| yanyan | also add zaqar support in this patch for coming test for message support | 13:12 |
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| Qiming | okay | 13:12 |
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| Qiming | moving on | 13:13 |
| Qiming | health management | 13:13 |
| Qiming | I'm working on fixing the health manager | 13:13 |
| Qiming | this one is critical: https://review.openstack.org/355743 | 13:13 |
| Qiming | and it is the reason why sometimes I cannot get any nova notifications from listeners | 13:14 |
| Qiming | this one is an optimization: https://review.openstack.org/355751 | 13:14 |
| Qiming | it is about postponing hm initialization after service table cleansing | 13:15 |
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| Qiming | the latest one is this: https://review.openstack.org/355790 | 13:15 |
| yanyan | so the dead service blocks those notifications | 13:15 |
| Qiming | it is about dynamically disable/enable listening to a specific cluster | 13:15 |
| Qiming | yes, dead service may still have db records left | 13:16 |
| yanyan | I see | 13:16 |
| yanyan | yes, those service will be cleaned when new service is initialized | 13:16 |
| Qiming | when hm is trying to pick a cluster for listening, it will skip all those have a service record in db | 13:16 |
| Qiming | yes, any new engine restart will cleanse the table | 13:16 |
| yanyan | I see | 13:17 |
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| Qiming | dynamical enabling/disabling is useful when we want to fully support health policy (thus a HA usage scenario) | 13:17 |
| Qiming | when I'm doing a cluster-scale-in | 13:17 |
| Qiming | some nodes are supposed to be deleted from the cluster | 13:18 |
| yanyan | sure, it is very useful I think | 13:18 |
| Qiming | and those nodes (assuming they are nova servers) will generate notifications when they are killed | 13:18 |
| Qiming | the health policy has to know that these events are generated intentionally | 13:18 |
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| Qiming | so ... eventually, the health policy may have to get itself hooked into those actions that are shrinking a cluster | 13:19 |
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| Qiming | before such actions happen, it will dynamically disable itself, and after such actions are completed, it dynamically restore health maintenance | 13:20 |
| yanyan | yes, so health policy should take effect when this kind of operations is performed | 13:20 |
| yanyan | s/when/before | 13:20 |
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| Qiming | or else, you will get a cluster with nodes you cannot delete | 13:20 |
| Qiming | it is always recovered by the health policy | 13:21 |
| yanyan | or hm ignores those events? | 13:21 |
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| Qiming | hm "suspends" itself when those actions are performed and resumes after those actions are completed | 13:21 |
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| yanyan | Qiming, yes. Just in case node failure happens during cluster scaling, those failure event will be omitted | 13:22 |
| Qiming | due to the fact we have at least two types of "checkers", it is hard to inject these info directly into the checkers | 13:23 |
| yanyan | I mean those "unexpected" failure events | 13:23 |
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| Qiming | em ... health policy is not designed to handel senlin action failures | 13:23 |
| yanyan | checkers, you mean? | 13:23 |
| Qiming | one checker is the poller (for vm status), anther type of checker is event queue listener | 13:24 |
| yanyan | Qiming, sorry, I didn't express clearly. I mean nova server is down during cluster scaling | 13:24 |
| Qiming | maybe in future we can add a 'pinger' ... | 13:24 |
| Qiming | right | 13:24 |
| yanyan | and that down is expected to be caught by hm | 13:24 |
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| Qiming | exactly | 13:24 |
| yanyan | Qiming, I see | 13:25 |
| Qiming | hm has to know whether a vm is down due to request, or due to exceptions/errors | 13:25 |
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| Qiming | it should do recovery only for the later cases, but it is currently receiving all VM down events | 13:25 |
| yanyan | Qiming, yes, unless we have a "list" of VMs need to monitor | 13:26 |
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| Qiming | even with that | 13:26 |
| Qiming | when you are getting an event about VM1 being shutdown | 13:27 |
| Qiming | that cluster is already monitored | 13:27 |
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| Qiming | how would you follow up? | 13:27 |
| Qiming | the key is that hm should be able to deduce the reason behind vm "failure" | 13:28 |
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| yanyan | hmm, so the monitoring may be done with node granularity? | 13:28 |
| yanyan | yes | 13:28 |
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| Qiming | the events are per-node (vm) | 13:28 |
| Qiming | you got to filter them | 13:28 |
| yanyan | yes | 13:28 |
| yanyan | filtering is needed | 13:28 |
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| Qiming | it is not about whether you CAN get a vm notification | 13:29 |
| Qiming | it is about WHAT you should do after got such a notification | 13:29 |
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| yanyan | I see. You mean hm collects all events, then decide which of them should be reacted | 13:30 |
| Qiming | so the easier path to attack this is we suspend health check during cluster shrinkage | 13:30 |
| Qiming | hm cannot be that smarter | 13:30 |
| Qiming | it is a separate rpc server, ... | 13:30 |
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| yanyan | got it | 13:31 |
| Qiming | it needs too many information to make a call | 13:31 |
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| Qiming | so the flow would be something like this | 13:31 |
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| Qiming | scale_in request -> scale-in action -> cluster locked -> hm disable itself (if enabled) -> scale in -> hm reenable itself -> cluster unlocked -> action complete | 13:32 |
| yanyan | Qiming, sounds reasonable | 13:33 |
| Qiming | VM failures during action execution cannot be handled, it is a pity | 13:33 |
| yanyan | just one thing may need attention, that the hm could be disabled for a long while if scaling action hangs for some reasons | 13:34 |
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| yanyan | Qiming, yes | 13:34 |
| Qiming | anyway, that is the current design, will continue try things up and see if the loop can be closed soon | 13:34 |
| yanyan | ok | 13:34 |
| yanyan | looks great | 13:35 |
| Qiming | yes, during that period, you are not supposed to enable health recovery | 13:35 |
| Qiming | cluster status is in transition | 13:35 |
| Qiming | okay, | 13:36 |
| Qiming | we have got some fencing code proposed, please help review | 13:36 |
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| Qiming | and xinhui is pushing more to gerrit | 13:36 |
| yanyan | yes, will check it | 13:36 |
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| elynn | will check it later | 13:36 |
| Qiming | profile/policy version control, again, sorry, didn't got time to look into it | 13:37 |
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| yanyan | no problem :) | 13:37 |
| Qiming | container profile fixes ... | 13:37 |
| yanyan | it's not that urgent | 13:37 |
| Qiming | mostly looks okay | 13:38 |
| Qiming | receiver | 13:38 |
| Qiming | sdk side blocked | 13:38 |
| yanyan | yes, have posted patch to add claim support | 13:38 |
| Qiming | both patches look good now | 13:39 |
| yanyan | but need to add test case | 13:39 |
| Qiming | just need another +2 | 13:39 |
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| Qiming | events/notifications .... I am not aware of any activities therein | 13:39 |
| yanyan | yes, after this support is done, will try to work on message based receiver | 13:39 |
| Qiming | so, that's the etherpad | 13:39 |
| yanyan | Qiming, another thing want to mention is senlinclient is broken for latest sdk change I think... | 13:40 |
| yanyan | it works correctly with sdk 0.9.2 | 13:40 |
| Qiming | last week I was reworking the exception catching logics for profiles, now it's all settled, please test | 13:40 |
| yanyan | but broken using master | 13:40 |
| Qiming | yes? | 13:40 |
| yanyan | Qiming, sure, saw that huge work :) | 13:40 |
| yanyan | yes | 13:40 |
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| yanyan | me and elynn tested this afternonn | 13:41 |
| Qiming | okay, I checked the bouncer ... | 13:41 |
| yanyan | error just happened at client side | 13:41 |
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| Qiming | clientside has some patches not reviewed | 13:41 |
| yanyan | ok, will check them | 13:42 |
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| Qiming | oh, all self approved I think | 13:42 |
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| Qiming | are you using latest cliend with latest sdk? | 13:42 |
| yanyan | yes | 13:42 |
| yanyan | both are latest code | 13:43 |
| Qiming | the error message? | 13:43 |
| yanyan | I can't remember it, I | 13:43 |
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| yanyan | I'm now using my own laptop :) | 13:43 |
| yanyan | something like "unexpected header-*** attr" | 13:43 |
| yanyan | can't recall it exactly | 13:43 |
| yanyan | hi, elynn, do you have the log of error? | 13:44 |
| Qiming | the additional_headers problem could be caused by keystoneauth version | 13:44 |
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| yanyan | oh | 13:44 |
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| Qiming | in global requirements, it has been bumped to "keystoneauth1>=2.10.0 " | 13:45 |
| Qiming | don't confuse keystoneauth with keystoneauth1 | 13:45 |
| elynn | yanyan, no, I'm using another computer now. | 13:45 |
| Qiming | the latter one is the correct package | 13:45 |
| yanyan | elynn, I see. thanks | 13:45 |
| yanyan | yes | 13:45 |
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| yanyan | so any fix we need to apply on client? | 13:46 |
| Qiming | no | 13:46 |
| Qiming | check this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/343992/6/openstack/session.py | 13:46 |
| Qiming | line 96 was using the additional_headers parameter added to latest version of keystoneauth1 | 13:47 |
| Qiming | that is the way we pass the additional header "openstack-api-version: clustering 1.2" to server | 13:47 |
| Qiming | thus we are getting cluster-collect operation work properly | 13:48 |
| yanyan | ok | 13:48 |
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| Qiming | if you are seeing errors about set_api_version, that means you sdk version is too old | 13:48 |
| yanyan | hmm, that is weird | 13:48 |
| yanyan | will test it again tomorrow | 13:49 |
| Qiming | it is also added in this patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/343992/6/openstack/profile.py | 13:49 |
| yanyan | I have cleaned my sdk installation and reinstalled it | 13:49 |
| Qiming | senlinclient now will automatically add a 'clustering 1.2' header value to indicate it knows the cluster-collect call | 13:49 |
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| yanyan | I see. Will have a try tomorrow | 13:50 |
| Qiming | okay | 13:50 |
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| Qiming | anything else? | 13:52 |
| yanyan | no from me | 13:52 |
| Qiming | guoshan, thanks for joining | 13:52 |
| Qiming | are you based in China? | 13:52 |
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| guoshan | yes | 13:53 |
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| yanyan | guoshan, welcome :) | 13:53 |
| Qiming | I see, so it is 21:53 for you too | 13:53 |
| guoshan | yep：） | 13:53 |
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| yanyan | maybe some self introduction? | 13:53 |
| yanyan | :) | 13:53 |
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| Qiming | I'm not single, but always available, period. | 13:53 |
| yanyan | haha | 13:54 |
| elynn | zan | 13:54 |
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| guoshan | I work in Awcloud, base in wuhan. New comer in senlin. | 13:55 |
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| guoshan | And I am single and available :) | 13:56 |
| yanyan | welcome, any question, plz feel free to ping us in senlin channel :) | 13:56 |
| Qiming | yep | 13:56 |
| yanyan | :P | 13:56 |
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| elynn | haha, welcome guoshan | 13:56 |
| Qiming | 4 mins left | 13:56 |
| elynn | btw, I'm working on profile/policy validation, please help to review those patches if you have time. | 13:57 |
| yanyan | elynn, sure, great work | 13:57 |
| yanyan | very glad you have time to work on it recently :) | 13:58 |
| Qiming | thanks, elynn | 13:58 |
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| elynn | Finally I got some spare time. | 13:58 |
| yanyan | ) | 13:58 |
| elynn | np Qiming | 13:58 |
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| Qiming | if you don't have other things to talk, we can release the channel now | 13:59 |
| Qiming | thanks for joining | 13:59 |
| Qiming | #endmeeting | 13:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 13:59 | |
| yanyan | thanks, have good night | 13:59 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 16 13:59:45 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2016/senlin.2016-08-16-13.00.html | 13:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2016/senlin.2016-08-16-13.00.txt | 13:59 |
| guoshan | bye~ | 13:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2016/senlin.2016-08-16-13.00.log.html | 13:59 |
| elynn | good night | 13:59 |
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| carl_baldwin | Anyone around? | 15:01 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 15:01 |
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| dasm | o/ | 15:01 |
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| mlavalle | dasm: are you in Cork? | 15:02 |
| dasm | mlavalle: yes | 15:02 |
| dasm | Clarion Hotel | 15:02 |
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| mlavalle | dasm: lol, me too. Seaeting at the lobby | 15:02 |
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| dasm | hmmm. i dont see anyone with opened laptop, besides me. | 15:03 |
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| dasm | mlavalle: because i'm also in lobby :P | 15:03 |
| mlavalle | dasm: I am the handsome guy with Lenovo laptop | 15:04 |
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| carl_baldwin | Should we have a short meeting for routed networks? | 15:04 |
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| carl_baldwin | I'll be at the Clarion later tonight. Not sure exactly what time but probably not before 9pm. | 15:06 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: dasm: ^ | 15:06 |
| carl_baldwin | So, I'll probably just see you folks in the morning. | 15:06 |
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| dasm | mlavalle: i was looking just for poor-looking guys L | 15:06 |
| dasm | :) | 15:06 |
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| dasm | carl_baldwin: ok. so you won't join us for a dinner | 15:06 |
| dasm | ? | 15:06 |
| carl_baldwin | dasm: Unfortunately not. :( I wanted to use today to drop in on HPE's Galway office. | 15:07 |
| dasm | carl_baldwin: :/ ok. see you tomorrow. | 15:08 |
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| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: so dasm now knows what "good looking' guy means ;-) | 15:11 |
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| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: lol | 15:12 |
| dasm | carl_baldwin: i don't agree with mlavalle :P | 15:13 |
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| carl_baldwin | dasm: mlavalle: Glad you found each other. We can have a beauty contest later in the week when every one has arrived. | 15:14 |
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| anteaya | carl_baldwin: will you be entering? | 15:54 |
| carl_baldwin | anteaya: definitely not | 15:54 |
| carl_baldwin | :) | 15:54 |
| anteaya | oh shame | 15:54 |
| anteaya | :) | 15:54 |
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| sridhar_ram | #startmeeting tacker | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 16 16:00:35 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sridhar_ram. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tacker' | 16:00 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Roll Call | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 16:00 | |
| manikanta_tadi | Hi All | 16:00 |
| sridhar_ram | hi folks! | 16:00 |
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| vishwanathj | o/ | 16:01 |
| s3wong | o/ | 16:01 |
| lulei | o/ | 16:01 |
| tung_doan | hi all | 16:01 |
| lulei | hi All | 16:01 |
| tbh | o/ | 16:01 |
| n_harada | Hi, I'm new to Tacker and this is my first time to join weekly meeting. | 16:01 |
| neel | o/ | 16:01 |
| s3wong | n_harada: welcome | 16:01 |
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| sridhar_ram | lulei: tung_doan: vishwanathj: s3wong: tbh: manikanta_tadi: n_harada: neel: Good morning, afternoon, evening.. late night, for some of you ;) | 16:02 |
| diga__ | o/ | 16:02 |
| sripriya | o/ | 16:02 |
| sridhar_ram | n_harada: welcome to the team! | 16:02 |
| sridhar_ram | #chair s3wong sripriya | 16:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: s3wong sridhar_ram sripriya | 16:02 |
| sridhar_ram | I'm in a flaky n/w situation, chairs .. please continue to run the meeting if i disconnect | 16:02 |
| lulei | sridhar_ram: you too :) | 16:03 |
| sridhar_ram | let's start.. | 16:03 |
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| sridhar_ram | #topic Agenda | 16:03 |
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| sridhar_ram | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Tacker#Meeting_Aug_16th.2C_2016 | 16:03 |
| sridhar_ram | anything else beyond this? | 16:03 |
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| sridhar_ram | #topic Annoucements | 16:04 |
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| sridhar_ram | Tacker Client release deadline is Aug 26th.. | 16:04 |
| sridhar_ram | .. approaching fast | 16:04 |
| sridhar_ram | #link http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/to?iso=20160826T11&p0=283&msg=Tacker+Client+Release&font=slab | 16:05 |
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| sridhar_ram | just 10 calendar days left.. | 16:05 |
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| sridhar_ram | no API change can happen after this deadline | 16:05 |
| sridhar_ram | next.. | 16:06 |
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| sridhar_ram | as we get close to the openstack release window, expect longer than normal gate jobs wait times.. | 16:06 |
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| sridhar_ram | so, please accordingly.. sometime i've noticed jenkins / dsvm jobs takes 4 - 5 hours :( | 16:07 |
| sridhar_ram | here are some tips .. to both handle it and being a good citizen | 16:07 |
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| sridhar_ram | 1) avoid spurious rechecks .. | 16:07 |
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| sridhar_ram | .. as much as possible use local "tox" runs to verify before pushing | 16:08 |
| sridhar_ram | .. meaning, don't use OpenStack CI resources in-lieu of local tox verifications | 16:08 |
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| sridhar_ram | next, an heads up.. | 16:09 |
| sridhar_ram | #info OpenStack Summit Travel support program | 16:09 |
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| sridhar_ram | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/travel-support/ | 16:09 |
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| sridhar_ram | PTLs (and core-reviewers) have a vote (a strong +3 vote!) in the decision making process... | 16:09 |
| santoshk | sridhar_ram, quick tip while running tests locally.. | 16:09 |
| sridhar_ram | … particularly if they think a contributor’s presence in the design summit will add lot of value to the project. | 16:09 |
| sridhar_ram | So, if you’ve applied for barcelona summit travel support program, please PM me. | 16:10 |
| sridhar_ram | Thanks saju_m for bringing this to our attention. | 16:10 |
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| santoshk | increase defaults for number of vms and neutron ports in /etc/neutron/neutron.conf (restart neutron) before running | 16:10 |
| sridhar_ram | santoshk: sure, pls share the tip | 16:10 |
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| sridhar_ram | santoshk: for running tox -e functional ? | 16:11 |
| santoshk | sridhar_ram, yes sridhar...as system defaults are less | 16:11 |
| sridhar_ram | santoshk: thanks! | 16:11 |
| sridhar_ram | any questions on these announcements ? | 16:12 |
| sridhar_ram | moving on.. | 16:12 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Newton Release Status | 16:12 |
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| sridhar_ram | Please use the release priority etherpad to prioritize your reviews and patchsets.. | 16:13 |
| sridhar_ram | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tacker-newton-release-priority | 16:13 |
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| sridhar_ram | thanks tbh manikanta_tadi for taking things and knocking them off | 16:13 |
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| sridhar_ram | please consider picking few things off, including reviews... | 16:14 |
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| sridhar_ram | n_harada: ^^^ | 16:14 |
| sridhar_ram | does anyone have a blocking newton issue ? | 16:15 |
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| sridhar_ram | does anyone have a client patchset that needs to go into newton, but lacking reviewers ? | 16:15 |
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| lulei | sridhar_ram:yes | 16:16 |
| sridhar_ram | lulei: which one ? | 16:17 |
| diga__ | sridhar_ram: VNFFG review is pending from my side, i will review it today. | 16:17 |
| lulei | sridhar_ram:I have committed a pacth for bp(tacker openstackclient plugin). Here is the bp links:https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tacker/+spec/tacker-openstackclient-plugin. | 16:17 |
| sridhar_ram | diga__: thanks, that would help | 16:17 |
| manikanta_tadi | sridhar_ram : should we also consider docs patchsets related to client ? | 16:17 |
| lulei | sridhar_ram:And here is the pacth:https://review.openstack.org/#/c/348124/. Can u review it? | 16:18 |
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| diga__ | sridhar_ram: sure | 16:18 |
| sridhar_ram | lulei: is this feature complete ? | 16:18 |
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| lulei | sridhar_ram: yes, Cause I have started the next working is to map tacker commands to openstack commands, and I think I can finished this bp in Newton version. Thanks:) | 16:19 |
| sridhar_ram | lulei: meaning, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/348124/ is all required for OSC support ? | 16:19 |
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| vishwanathj | Client patchset for audit support needs to be added to that list as well https://review.openstack.org/#/c/349722/ | 16:19 |
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| sridhar_ram | lulei: i doubt we will have time to finish the reviews by next Friday (Aug 26th) | 16:19 |
| lulei | sridhar_ram: ok | 16:20 |
| sridhar_ram | lulei: okay, getting reviewers time is the problem.. we can try, but no guarantees as we have other higher priority items | 16:20 |
| lulei | sridhar_ram: It's OK. Thanks :D | 16:21 |
| sridhar_ram | manikanta_tadi: docs patchsets have time, can come in by Sep 15th | 16:21 |
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| manikanta_tadi | sridhar_ram : Ok thanks, Will prioritize accordingly | 16:22 |
| sridhar_ram | vishwanathj: sure, i think multiple reviews had happened, so hopefully we can merge that soon | 16:22 |
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| sridhar_ram | i looking for a volunteer for https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-tackerclient/+bug/1524243 | 16:22 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1524243 in python-tackerclient "infra driver is fixed by python tacker client" [High,New] - Assigned to yong sheng gong (gongysh) | 16:22 |
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| sridhar_ram | ... any takes? should be a simple one | 16:22 |
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| diga__ | sridhar_ram: I will take it | 16:23 |
| sridhar_ram | diga__: great, thanks.. please assign it to yourself | 16:23 |
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| diga__ | ok | 16:23 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: we decided to remove the infra_driver attribute from the api as well right? | 16:24 |
| sridhar_ram | sripriya: yes, thanks for reminding.. | 16:24 |
| sridhar_ram | diga__: fyi, both infra_driver and mgmt_driver attrs in the CLI and API need to be deprecated.. | 16:24 |
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| diga__ | sridhar_ram: okay | 16:24 |
| sridhar_ram | diga__: we can use this same bug to do both.. | 16:25 |
| diga__ | is there any dependancy currently at API side ? | 16:25 |
| diga__ | okay | 16:25 |
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| sridhar_ram | diga__: no, these are unused / hardcoded values .. carry over from our legacy past.. | 16:25 |
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| diga__ | sridhar_ram: okay, got it | 16:25 |
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| sridhar_ram | diga__: better to deprecate and remove it after stable/newton gets pulled.. | 16:26 |
| sridhar_ram | *deprecate now | 16:26 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, mgmt_driver too? | 16:26 |
| diga__ | sridhar_ram: okay | 16:26 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: well, the API portion of mgmt_driver.. | 16:26 |
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| sridhar_ram | tbh: mgmt_driver shd be purely off the TOSCA template and not controlled by the API | 16:26 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, got it | 16:27 |
| sridhar_ram | anything else related to newton release ? | 16:27 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic VNFC | 16:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "VNFC (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 16:27 | |
| sridhar_ram | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/339798/ | 16:28 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: manikanta_tadi: please jump.. | 16:28 |
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| tbh | sridhar_ram, we have updated the spec providing diff approaches using barbican | 16:28 |
| manikanta_tadi | we have two options for the VNFC drivers in mind at the moment | 16:28 |
| manikanta_tadi | 1.Heat software deployment and ssh driver | 16:29 |
| * redrobot pokes head in at the mention of barbican | 16:30 | |
| manikanta_tadi | for ssh driver, we would like to leverage barbican, by storing keys as the secret payload | 16:30 |
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| tbh | if the community can review the spec, it will be more helpful | 16:31 |
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| sridhar_ram | redrobot: fyi, we have an use case to securely execute commands in the workload VMs by an openstack service (tacker) | 16:31 |
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| sridhar_ram | tbh: manikanta_tadi: here is my guidance, particularly given the timeframe we are in (close to the release window).. | 16:32 |
| sridhar_ram | .. which is to pick one of the approaches first and try it.. | 16:33 |
| sridhar_ram | .. even that would be squeeze for this release | 16:33 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, yes we are following the same procedure, but highlighting the different approaches in the spec.. | 16:34 |
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| sridhar_ram | tbh: is it fair to say, heat SD will be easier to implement ? | 16:34 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, but from the coding point of view we are trying out using second approach from the spec | 16:34 |
| sridhar_ram | .. i'm also conscious of making barbican a requirement for tacker.. | 16:34 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, heat SD hardly requires changes in the tacker code base, as it is handled by heat translator | 16:35 |
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| sridhar_ram | tbh: then I'd try to "ship" it first :) | 16:35 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, yes having new requirement is the major concern at this point of time | 16:35 |
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| tbh | sridhar_ram, sure | 16:36 |
| sridhar_ram | there is also effort in docs, samples,etc.. so if this is a "low-hanging" feature that we can get out in newton using Heat SD.. i think we shd just focus on it and do it | 16:36 |
| sridhar_ram | again, just to be clear, is there any CLI or API impact ? | 16:37 |
| manikanta_tadi | sridhar_ram : there is no impact on CLI | 16:37 |
| sridhar_ram | next, is there a TOSCA parser impact ? | 16:37 |
| manikanta_tadi | sridhar_ram : no impact on TOSCA parser too | 16:38 |
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| sridhar_ram | okay.. | 16:38 |
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| sridhar_ram | team - if the scope is reduced to just do Heat SD based VNFC, are you comfortable approving this, this late in the cycle? | 16:39 |
| sridhar_ram | cores: sripriya s3wong KanagarajM -^^^ | 16:39 |
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| KanagarajM | i feel ok based on i put we got now | 16:41 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: manikanta_tadi: I'd suggest you to update the spec w/ Heat SD only scope.. do capture barbican as possiblty as a follow on | 16:41 |
| KanagarajM | *input | 16:41 |
| sridhar_ram | KanagarajM: thanks for chiming in | 16:41 |
| manikanta_tadi | sridhar_ram : yes, sure | 16:41 |
| sridhar_ram | manikanta_tadi: thanks | 16:42 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: sounds okay to you ? | 16:42 |
| KanagarajM | i believe heat translator already support sd | 16:43 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: is that okay if the bp is not implemented even if its approved? | 16:43 |
| sridhar_ram | KanagarajM: thats good to know | 16:43 |
| sridhar_ram | sripriya: yes, we can carry it over to the next dev cycle (Ocata) | 16:43 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, but we can mention all possible approaches too, right? | 16:43 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: okay cool | 16:44 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: yes, but for the implementation let's be specific and mention only Heat SD based VNFC will be supported | 16:44 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, yeah sure | 16:44 |
| sridhar_ram | many folks, outside openstack, like in OPNFV read our specs.. | 16:45 |
| sridhar_ram | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/tacker-specs/ | 16:45 |
| sridhar_ram | moving on.. | 16:45 |
| sridhar_ram | sorry, before that.. anything else on VNFC ? | 16:45 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic NSD | 16:46 |
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| tbh | sridhar_ram, that's all from my side, thanks for taking this topic! | 16:46 |
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| sridhar_ram | tbh: sure | 16:46 |
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| sridhar_ram | dkushwaha: are you here ? | 16:47 |
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| tbh | sridhar_ram, I think he is not around | 16:47 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: just pinged him in the #tacker channel | 16:47 |
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| sridhar_ram | just to be clear, this feature is clearly post-Newton.. | 16:48 |
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| sridhar_ram | I'm going to mark the BP target as Ocata.. | 16:48 |
| sridhar_ram | already started doing that for some BPs.. | 16:48 |
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| sridhar_ram | the big architectural question, is whether to start design this with mistral from get go and iterate | 16:49 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, yes as we have changes in client too | 16:49 |
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| sridhar_ram | tbh: of course, you are the co-author.. | 16:50 |
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| sridhar_ram | team - anyone have a position on this mistral or no-mistral ? | 16:51 |
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| sridhar_ram | please readup on mistral and provide your inputs in the spec | 16:51 |
| sridhar_ram | #link https://review.openstack.org/304667 | 16:51 |
| diga__ | sridhar_ram: will do it | 16:52 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: btw, can you review the tacker-mistral workflows from Shaik ? https://review.openstack.org/341164 | 16:52 |
| sridhar_ram | diga__: thanks! | 16:52 |
| sridhar_ram | anything else on NSD ? | 16:52 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, sure will do | 16:52 |
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| sridhar_ram | moving on.. | 16:53 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Open Discussion | 16:53 |
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| sridhar_ram | anything else? | 16:53 |
| sridhar_ram | alright.. then wrap this for today | 16:54 |
| sridhar_ram | thanks everyone for attending.. | 16:54 |
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| sridhar_ram | #endmeeting | 16:54 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:54 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 16 16:54:49 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:54 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2016/tacker.2016-08-16-16.00.html | 16:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2016/tacker.2016-08-16-16.00.txt | 16:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2016/tacker.2016-08-16-16.00.log.html | 16:54 |
| KanagarajM | bye. have good time | 16:55 |
| sridhar_ram | tung_doan: hi, can u please join us in #tacker channel for few mins ? | 16:55 |
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| stevemar | o/ | 17:59 |
| stevemar | ajayaa, amakarov, ayoung, breton, browne, crinkle, claudiub, davechen, david8hu, dolphm, dstanek, edmondsw, gagehugo, gyee, henrynash, hogepodge, htruta, jamielennox, jaugustine, joesavak, jorge_munoz, knikolla, lbragstad, MaxPC, morgan, nkinder, notmorgan, raildo, rodrigods, rderose, roxanaghe, samleon, samueldmq, shaleh, stevemar, tsymanczyk, topol, vivekd, wanghong, xek | 17:59 |
| stevemar | ping for meeting! | 17:59 |
| ayoung | Ahoy! | 17:59 |
| crinkle | o/ | 17:59 |
| lbragstad | yo | 17:59 |
| gagehugo | hey hey | 17:59 |
| LamT_ | o/ | 18:00 |
| jaugustine | Yo yo | 18:00 |
| rderose | o/ | 18:00 |
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| knikolla | o/ hi everyone! | 18:00 |
| stevemar | howdy partners | 18:00 |
| raildo | o/ | 18:00 |
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| henrynash | bonsoir, mes amis | 18:00 |
| samueldmq | hi all | 18:00 |
| stevemar | henrynash: your french accent is so elegant | 18:01 |
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| stevemar | much better than your english one | 18:01 |
| samueldmq | stevemar: lol | 18:01 |
| stevemar | #startmeeting keystone | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 16 18:01:16 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is stevemar. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:01 |
| henrynash | it's the beret & onions that do it | 18:01 |
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| stevemar | alright keystoners, let's get ready! | 18:01 |
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| shaleh | \o | 18:01 |
| stevemar | (un)fortunately, no one added anything to the meeting agenda :O | 18:01 |
| stevemar | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-weekly-meeting | 18:01 |
| shaleh | yay short meeting | 18:01 |
| henrynash | stevemar: don't tempt us | 18:02 |
| stevemar | short topics, just status, bugs, and then open discussion | 18:02 |
| dstanek | o/ | 18:02 |
| dstanek | i showed up for no reason? | 18:02 |
| stevemar | dstanek: tiny reasons | 18:02 |
| stevemar | #topic | 18:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:03 | |
| topol | o/ | 18:03 |
| stevemar | rfail | 18:03 |
| bknudson | hi | 18:03 |
| dstanek | i have a goal to get a few patches up to address some of the caching issue | 18:03 |
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| stevemar | #topic release status | 18:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "release status (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:03 | |
| stevemar | the following blueprints are not yet complete: https://launchpad.net/keystone/+milestone/newton-3 | 18:03 |
| stevemar | but are in pretty darn good shape | 18:03 |
| stevemar | PCI is a few hours away from being done | 18:04 |
| stevemar | ldap preprocess is pretty close | 18:04 |
| stevemar | rolling upgrades is chugging along | 18:04 |
| stevemar | and lbragstad picked up credential encryption (thanks!) | 18:04 |
| ayoung | Wow, my name does not even appear on that page. Tripleo has taken over my life | 18:04 |
| stevemar | ayoung: you're forever with us in spirit | 18:04 |
| henrynash | rolling upgrades is good shape (one final issue to settle on, but time to make teh chanegs which ever way we go is only an hour) | 18:04 |
| dstanek | henrynash: nice! | 18:05 |
| ayoung | I'll be back... | 18:05 |
| dolphm | stevemar: quick, create a high priority blueprint and assign it to ayoung | 18:05 |
| rderose | henrynash: ++ | 18:05 |
| stevemar | lol | 18:05 |
| bknudson | ayoung: I've been really impressed with your work in triple-o. This kind of cross-project work helps us do better. | 18:05 |
| ayoung | bknudson, thanks | 18:05 |
| henrynash | bknudson: ++ | 18:05 |
| stevemar | dolphm: can it be to say things from terminator movies? | 18:05 |
| ayoung | I was able to get the Policy deployment to work the way I want it to in Tripleo | 18:05 |
| topol | dolphm we could give him some music to transpose | 18:05 |
| dolphm | stevemar: that seems actionable enough for a bp | 18:06 |
| ayoung | http://adam.younglogic.com/2016/08/rbac-policy-update-tripleo/ | 18:06 |
| stevemar | a compliment of the highest order from bknudson! | 18:06 |
| dolphm | stevemar: ++ | 18:06 |
| dolphm | bknudson: ++ | 18:06 |
| stevemar | for real dates: | 18:06 |
| stevemar | Next week (Aug 22) is the last release of keystoneauth and keystonemiddleware | 18:06 |
| stevemar | Next Next week (Aug 29) is the last release of keystoneclient and newton-3 driver / keystone feature freeze! (it's actually mid-week -- Sept 1) | 18:07 |
| stevemar | so the blueprints and bugs should ideally be completed *before* the 29th, or have a +2 and very close | 18:07 |
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| dolphm | but if it's not gating by august 29, it probably won't make it | 18:07 |
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| dolphm | because the gate queue will explode in length | 18:07 |
| stevemar | dolphm: bingo | 18:07 |
| lbragstad | so - monday it is | 18:07 |
| stevemar | dolphm: i was just gonna say... | 18:08 |
| stevemar | lbragstad: basically | 18:08 |
| dolphm | lbragstad: ergo, aim for EoD Friday | 18:08 |
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| lbragstad | friday it is | 18:08 |
| lbragstad | ... so tomorrow? right?! | 18:08 |
| stevemar | lbragstad: 1 more week :) | 18:08 |
| dolphm | transient error rates will also sky rocket, so that gives us a couple days to recheck things | 18:08 |
| stevemar | dolphm: yeeeep | 18:08 |
| stevemar | dolphm: have you been through this before? i feel like you have | 18:09 |
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| * topol this release will be different. I keep telling myself... re transient errors :-) | 18:09 | |
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| * dolphm is going on my 11th release | 18:09 | |
| stevemar | blueprints aside, we have a few nasty bugs | 18:09 |
| samueldmq | dolphm: nice! | 18:09 |
| stevemar | #topic bugs | 18:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:09 | |
| ayoung | dolphm, that can't be right...this is *my* 11th, and you were there before me, no? | 18:10 |
| ayoung | Diablo | 18:10 |
| stevemar | the biggest of which is the caching issues we've been seeing: caching woes: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1600394 | 18:10 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1600394 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "memcache raising "too many values to unpack"" [Critical,Confirmed] - Assigned to David Stanek (dstanek) | 18:10 |
| dolphm | i started immediately after the cactus release | 18:10 |
| dolphm | ayoung: so, diablo was my first | 18:10 |
| stevemar | dstanek has been heads down on this stuff | 18:10 |
| dstanek | stevemar: i'm going to tackle that one after the current cache bugs i'm working on | 18:10 |
| stevemar | dolphm & ayoung the camp fire is over at -dev :) | 18:10 |
| ayoung | Ah....I think technically Essex was mine... | 18:11 |
| lbragstad | thanks dstanek! | 18:11 |
| dstanek | that one is very mystical though | 18:11 |
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| bknudson | I thought this might be due to a collision from the sha-1 hash. | 18:11 |
| stevemar | dstanek: do what you can, let us know when it's ready for review, and most importantly -- if you need elp | 18:11 |
| stevemar | help | 18:11 |
| bknudson | but now I don't know. | 18:11 |
| dstanek | i have found that we had a few tests that worked only because revocation list caching was messed up | 18:12 |
| bknudson | maybe it's a threading issue? | 18:12 |
| henrynash | I think https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1604479 will be a Not A Bug | 18:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1604479 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "tenantId/default_project_id missing on Keystone service user in Mitaka" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Kam Nasim (knasim-wrs) | 18:12 |
| stevemar | henrynash: why do you say that? | 18:12 |
| bknudson | for some reason we're using the memcached pool and there's no need for it since we got rid of eventlet. | 18:12 |
| dstanek | after this meeting i have to figure out why this tests raises two different exceptions http://paste.ubuntu.com/23062173/ | 18:13 |
| henrynash | stevemar: from everything I can see... it is simply that the puppet module was assuming v2 fucntinality for teh v3 create user API | 18:13 |
| stevemar | henrynash: that would be good news | 18:13 |
| stevemar | henrynash: i was going to take a second look at that one today, if we can bounce it back, that would be great | 18:13 |
| henrynash | stevemar: there were assuming a user with a default project would be granted a role on that project (which we don't do in v3) | 18:14 |
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| stevemar | right | 18:14 |
| stevemar | henrynash: okay, comment as such in the bug and review, i'll catch up | 18:14 |
| stevemar | on that list in the agenda we also have https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1592169 | 18:14 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1592169 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) newton "cached tokens break Liberty to Mitaka upgrade" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Colleen Murphy (krinkle) | 18:14 |
| henrynash | stevemar: already done so | 18:14 |
| crinkle | o/ | 18:14 |
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| stevemar | but crinkle has a fix up and mfisch volunteered to verify it (since he is the originator too) | 18:15 |
| stevemar | thanks again crinkle :) | 18:15 |
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| samueldmq | stevemar: crinkle: it's also a flag for reviewers | 18:15 |
| samueldmq | I particularly had never hit that issue before | 18:15 |
| samueldmq | but it's interesting | 18:16 |
| stevemar | last on the list is https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystoneauth/+bug/1613498 -- jamie had a long chat with the bug originator last night and i think it's a no-op, but if you're interested, please weigh in | 18:16 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1613498 in python-openstackclient "Token Auth does not work (not fetching catalog)" [Undecided,New] | 18:16 |
| dstanek | did the token format change at all? | 18:16 |
| bknudson | Not sure how we could have testing for these kinds of issues in general. Seems pretty much impossible. | 18:16 |
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| bknudson | maybe the best thing to do is to say to wipe out your memcache on upgrade | 18:17 |
| dolphm | dstanek: something could be passing ?nocatalog in the token request | 18:17 |
| stevemar | bknudson: the upgrade ones are definitely tricky | 18:17 |
| ayoung | jamielennox not here...hmmm | 18:17 |
| bknudson | when we do remember to put the code in to handle the case it's ugly. | 18:17 |
| stevemar | bknudson: that is what dolphm recommended too | 18:18 |
| bknudson | maybe have a version in the cache lines | 18:18 |
| dolphm | bknudson: buuut.... when do you restart memcached when it's shared by multiple nodes that are undergoing a rolling upgrade? | 18:18 |
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| bknudson | yikes, that's scarier. versioning would be safer. | 18:18 |
| dstanek | dolphm: turn it off during an upgrade? | 18:18 |
| ayoung | that sounds like a spectacularly bad idea. | 18:18 |
| dstanek | ayoung: which one? | 18:19 |
| dolphm | ayoung: well, it would workaround the issue at least | 18:19 |
| ayoung | cache shared across nodes...is not something that makes me feel good | 18:19 |
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| dstanek | that's the whole point of memcached though | 18:19 |
| dolphm | ayoung: it's the best way to take full advantage of your memory footprint | 18:19 |
| ayoung | dstanek, it violates the whole reason to use a Transactional database | 18:19 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: ? memcached is neither transactional nor a database | 18:20 |
| knikolla | it's more of a kvs | 18:20 |
| ayoung | dolphm, exactly. SQL is | 18:20 |
| ayoung | and memcache violates pretty much any transaction benefit | 18:20 |
| stevemar | #topic open discussion | 18:20 |
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| dolphm | i'm not following | 18:20 |
| ayoung | anyway...I'm derailing | 18:21 |
| stevemar | ayoung: for once, i don't mind your derailing :) | 18:21 |
| ayoung | It seems to me that Keystone first off has to be accurate | 18:21 |
| dolphm | ayoung: are you saying that things can be written to memcache before a larger transaction is complete? | 18:21 |
| ayoung | and we do a lot of caching in the interest of scalability | 18:21 |
| ayoung | and I wonder if we are being pennywise and pound foolish here | 18:21 |
| stevemar | it's open discussion now, folks can drop off if they want, or ping me if they have topics they want to chat about | 18:22 |
| stevemar | or propose it to the etherpad, i have it open | 18:22 |
| ayoung | we also have issues with Galera. I wonder if all the errors add up to ...well, something nasty | 18:22 |
| dolphm | stevemar: something something rolling upgrades | 18:22 |
| henrynash | dolphm: ha! | 18:22 |
| raildo | stevemar, should we get it touch with the TC to remove the support on v2 on Otaca release? :) | 18:22 |
| bknudson | caching is disabled by default | 18:22 |
| dstanek | ayoung: i would partially agree since our caching is broken in a few ways | 18:22 |
| dstanek | but it can be good and safe. my goal is to make that happen | 18:23 |
| stevemar | raildo: IIRC we deprecated v2 in M, and we said we would have it around for 4 releases, so not yet :) | 18:23 |
| stevemar | raildo: i think the deprecation message says the Q release | 18:23 |
| dstanek | we only cache data that is already in the DB so the acid guarantees are still there | 18:23 |
| bknudson | dstanek: some people might have a different definition of safe. | 18:23 |
| shaleh | bknudson: yes, but anyone with more than a few users enables caching so that is kind of a useless statement | 18:23 |
| raildo | stevemar, hum... got it :) | 18:23 |
| raildo | stevemar, yes | 18:23 |
| henrynash | dolphm: (as per the comment I've added on the patch, if the weight of opinion of reviews is to go for 3 new repos, I'll have teh changes done and up by tonight) | 18:23 |
| stevemar | #topic something something rolling upgrades | 18:24 |
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| dstanek | bknudson: you could always keep it off | 18:24 |
| stevemar | dolphm henrynash rderose is there any impact in renaming the old repo? | 18:24 |
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| dolphm | stevemar: yes and no? renaming it won't break anything in and of itself | 18:25 |
| dolphm | stevemar: but there's no reason to | 18:25 |
| bknudson | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAP_theorem | 18:25 |
| ayoung | dstanek, dolphm I do suspect this is why people go no-sql. We've essentially converted Keystone into a large, distributed, eventually-consistent store | 18:25 |
| ayoung | bknudson, I took a course with Brewer | 18:26 |
| henrynash | I can't think of a technical issue, I think it is more conceptual cleanness vs keep doing what we've been doing (for Newton) for the "expand" cycle | 18:26 |
| dolphm | stevemar: and more importantly, repurposing the old repo to be the new expand repo prevents the 3 repos we're going to go forward with from having the same migration number at all times | 18:26 |
| dolphm | stevemar: which is something that would be easy to enforce, and would help us prevent deployers from accidentally running migrations out of order | 18:26 |
| * topol why is bknudson referencing the CAP theorem? | 18:26 | |
| * topol things getting intersting.. | 18:26 | |
| ayoung | bknudson, that class is one of the reasons I realize just how hard Database stuff can be to get right | 18:27 |
| bknudson | topol: because ayoung was saying that we could somehow use a consistent database. It can't happen. | 18:27 |
| henrynash | dolphm: you thinking that we would check on, say, a --migrate, that the spand repo was not at a lower nummber? | 18:27 |
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| topol | ayoung the answer is eventual consistenc.. always .. except for banks :-) | 18:27 |
| henrynash | (...that the expand repo....) | 18:27 |
| topol | bknudson. agreed. dont go up against the CAP theorem | 18:28 |
| ayoung | topol, what we've done is doubled our exposuie to its limitations | 18:28 |
| ayoung | first at the Galera level, and then again at the memcache level | 18:28 |
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| topol | ayoung, uggh. really? How so | 18:29 |
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| ayoung | topol, SO, Gallera odes "the best it can" to be ACID compliant in a distributed sense | 18:29 |
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| henrynash | dolphm: if so, then I'm sold...since the one thing I liked about the "status based" code I wrote originally was that we stopped deployers doing things out of order | 18:29 |
| ayoung | and if it fails, well, we kindof get notified | 18:29 |
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| ayoung | OTOH, memcache adds an additional layer of "distributed inconsistancy" | 18:29 |
| dolphm | henrynash: yes, definitely to your question | 18:30 |
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| dolphm | henrynash: you can also do some other cool stuff like call migrate_repo(expand_version_number) | 18:30 |
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| dolphm | henrynash: contract_repo(migrate_version_number) | 18:30 |
| henrynash | dolphm, rderose: OK, it's a fair cop (guvs) I'll come quietly (and make the changes today!) | 18:31 |
| ayoung | We think of distributed memcache as a single system, but it is not, it is multiple nodes, and they are no-where-close to thinking about consistency across them | 18:31 |
| rderose | henrynash: ++ | 18:31 |
| stevemar | henrynash: ++ | 18:31 |
| rderose | :) | 18:31 |
| stevemar | rderose: hey thats my line! | 18:31 |
| ayoung | they are just supposed to be a cache. As such, it is "yes I have it" or "no let me get it" | 18:31 |
| rderose | stevemar: I was first | 18:31 |
| dolphm | henrynash: i feel like you're making some british pop culture reference that just went over my head lol | 18:31 |
| stevemar | *grumble* | 18:31 |
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| ayoung | but if changes are happening behind the cache, such as what we do when we hammer on our tests, memcache does not deal | 18:32 |
| topol | dolphm, I think he has been arrested before | 18:32 |
| ayoung | henrynash, I thought the line was "its a fair court?" | 18:32 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: if you're clustering memcache nodes, then there's nothing to keep consistent because you're sharding data across them | 18:32 |
| dstanek | ayoung: there is no consistency across memcached nodes by design | 18:32 |
| ayoung | dolphm, right. dstanek right | 18:32 |
| stevemar | http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/992/401/e37.png | 18:32 |
| dstanek | there isn't and shouldn't be - a give can can only be on a single node ever | 18:33 |
| henrynash | ayoung: maybe, blended by folk law... | 18:33 |
| henrynash | stevemar: ++ | 18:33 |
| ayoung | dstanek, and *we* kinda get that. But people outside of Keystone think of it as a single, database backed, transaction system. Hence revocations | 18:33 |
| henrynash | http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/it-s-a-fair-cop | 18:33 |
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| stevemar | ayoung: i think the expectation is becoming that keystone scale globally and handle these more difficult scenarios | 18:34 |
| ayoung | henrynash, all these years I've been misinterpreting the dead Bishop sketch | 18:34 |
| rderose | thanks henrynash, that cleared it up | 18:34 |
| dolphm | stevemar: http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/10/10e71fd6edca008ff7ab182e9c428ea756412398815dbeec35f25092e913ed2c.jpg | 18:34 |
| knikolla | lol | 18:35 |
| stevemar | lol | 18:35 |
| ayoung | http://www.montypython.net/scripts/bishop.php | 18:35 |
| topol | i dont get it | 18:35 |
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| stevemar | i think we're all sleep deprived and delirious | 18:35 |
| stevemar | we need more open discussion? we're just arguing and posting memes at this point? | 18:35 |
| lbragstad | leave it to the LA Kings | 18:36 |
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| shaleh | ayoung: so we are back to dropping revocations? | 18:36 |
| henrynash | I like to think of us all as sleep deprived and delicious.... | 18:36 |
| rderose | lbragstad: that's better than the Fargo??? wait, what teams do you have? | 18:36 |
| stevemar | :) | 18:37 |
| lbragstad | rderose ... well played | 18:37 |
| rderose | :) | 18:37 |
| topol | henrynash I have no idea how offensive this really is | 18:37 |
| lbragstad | rderose we settle for the Minnesota Wild ;) | 18:37 |
| topol | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5qn_kShlDI | 18:37 |
| rderose | lbragstad: there you go | 18:37 |
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| rderose | topol: ++ | 18:38 |
| ayoung | "Well, I meet a lot of people and I'm convinced that the vast majority of wrongthinking people are right. " | 18:38 |
| ayoung | shaleh, so, yeah, I think we can drop revocations if we go with the plan jamielennox and I were dreaming up at the midcycle | 18:38 |
| stevemar | and topol is gonna have a talk with HR | 18:38 |
| ayoung | well, most revocations. Explicit will still be needed | 18:39 |
| * topol took a risk | 18:39 | |
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| stevemar | ayoung: i liked that plan FWIW | 18:39 |
| shaleh | ayoung: if a) works and b) confuses people less that sounds good | 18:39 |
| ayoung | But if we make tokens short lived...yeah, most go away | 18:39 |
| ayoung | Maybe all | 18:39 |
| henrynash | topol: :-) | 18:39 |
| ayoung | stevemar, me, too.. Just need the time to work on it | 18:39 |
| stevemar | ayoung: like 95+% | 18:39 |
| stevemar | ayoung: just ditch tripleo :P | 18:39 |
| stevemar | come back to us, you know you want to | 18:39 |
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| henrynash | ayoung: what;s the path to short lived tokens? | 18:40 |
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| ayoung | stevemar, I do want to, but it turns out that people can't actually use the crap we build if the installer disables it | 18:40 |
| stevemar | henrynash: 2 options, one complex, one simple | 18:40 |
| henrynash | ( and don't say fly to Boston and turn left) | 18:40 |
| lbragstad | `[token] expiration` = 600 | 18:40 |
| dolphm | #shipit | 18:40 |
| lbragstad | :) | 18:40 |
| dstanek | lbragstad: ++ | 18:41 |
| stevemar | henrynash: we re-work it completely and use "reservations" by jamie | 18:41 |
| ayoung | henrynash, bascially, this: we make tokens live for a really short time as authentication proxies, but honor the data that they represent for the life time of the workflows | 18:41 |
| stevemar | henrynash: or we yeah, taht ^ | 18:41 |
| ayoung | stevemar, lets not call them reservations. That was a different mechanism, where the user goes to Cinder first, creates a reservation, and passes that to Nova | 18:41 |
| henrynash | ayoung: right we discussed that at he midcycle...what's stopping us | 18:41 |
| stevemar | so you have 5 minutes to use a token, but if you used it, it's valid for 24 hours | 18:42 |
| stevemar | ayoung: i think i have that right? | 18:42 |
| ayoung | henrynash, time | 18:42 |
| ayoung | I need to get some team priorities done, and it is eating up my time | 18:42 |
| ayoung | stevemar, you are right | 18:42 |
| lbragstad | henrynash I think we need more ten-digit gnomes to do the neeful | 18:42 |
| stevemar | ayoung: i like the solution, it's neat | 18:42 |
| ayoung | and that is OK because we go back to Keystone and expand out the data each time | 18:42 |
| stevemar | lbragstad: someone has their big book of british slang open | 18:43 |
| stevemar | dstanek: i like what breton said here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/349704/5 :) | 18:43 |
| shaleh | how do we settle that with the ops request for 4 hour tokens to limit security exposure | 18:43 |
| stevemar | shaleh: the 24 hours part if a config option, could set it to 4 hrs or 1 | 18:44 |
| dstanek | stevemar: breton: woot! there is a transient failure though :-( | 18:44 |
| dstanek | soon as we are done here i shall go fix | 18:44 |
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| stevemar | anyway, let's actually end this | 18:45 |
| stevemar | thanks for coming everyone | 18:45 |
| stevemar | thanks dolphm for covering me last week and next week | 18:45 |
| rderose | well, bye | 18:45 |
| dolphm | wat | 18:45 |
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| lbragstad | o/ | 18:45 |
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| stevemar | #endmeeting | 18:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:45 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 16 18:45:36 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2016/keystone.2016-08-16-18.01.html | 18:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2016/keystone.2016-08-16-18.01.txt | 18:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2016/keystone.2016-08-16-18.01.log.html | 18:45 |
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| lbragstad | dolphm ooo how's that bus feel?! | 18:46 |
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| dolphm | lbragstad: it was quick | 18:46 |
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| Krenair | fungi, pleia2: I have to go and won't be able to attend the infra meeting, but please try to get my puppet patches some review | 18:55 |
| Krenair | even if it's just the first | 18:55 |
| fungi | Krenair: totally, thanks for the heads up! | 18:55 |
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| fungi | any infra peeps want to crash the meeting channel for an hour? | 19:00 |
| bkero | o/ | 19:00 |
| rcarrillocruz | o/ | 19:00 |
| SotK | o/ | 19:00 |
| Zara | o/ | 19:00 |
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| crinkle | o/ | 19:00 |
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| fungi | this time we have topics courtesy of jeblair, zaro, jpmaxman, Krenair, fungi and rcarrillocruz | 19:00 |
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| zaro | o/ | 19:01 |
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| Shrews | aloha | 19:01 |
| jeblair | o/ | 19:01 |
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| fungi | #startmeeting infra | 19:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 16 19:02:10 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is fungi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:02 |
| fungi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:02 |
| fungi | #topic Announcements | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:02 | |
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| fungi | #info Reminder: late-cycle joint Infra/QA get together to be held September 19-21 (CW38) in at SAP offices in Walldorf, DE | 19:02 |
| fungi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints/QAInfraNewtonSprint | 19:02 |
| fungi | note that there's only room for 30 attendees | 19:02 |
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| rcarrillocruz | i can confirm i'll be attending ^ | 19:03 |
| rcarrillocruz | got approval for travelling | 19:03 |
| fungi | and 22 have already added themselves to that wiki | 19:03 |
| fungi | so... if you're going, put yourself on the list as soon as possible or you'll end up on the waiting list | 19:03 |
| anteaya | or in the hall | 19:03 |
| fungi | i don't know if sap has hallways | 19:03 |
| zaro | i will probably drop in for a day | 19:04 |
| anteaya | interesting | 19:04 |
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| fungi | they could be avant-garde | 19:04 |
| zaro | does that mean i should put myself on the list? | 19:04 |
| anteaya | zaro: yes | 19:04 |
| anteaya | fungi: it is possible | 19:04 |
| clarkb | ohai | 19:04 |
| fungi | zaro: yeah, it sounds like they might be pretty strict about the 30 attendees limit | 19:04 |
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| nibalizer | o/ | 19:04 |
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| fungi | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:05 |
| zaro | i don't want to take a seat away from someone else that will be there all week | 19:05 |
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| fungi | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2016/infra.2016-08-09-19.04.html | 19:05 |
| fungi | there were none | 19:05 |
| anteaya | zaro: then you might not get a seat if you try to attend, your call | 19:05 |
| fungi | #topic Specs approval | 19:05 |
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| fungi | we have nothing new this week | 19:06 |
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| fungi | #topic Priority Efforts: Infra-cloud (rcarrillocruz) | 19:06 |
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| fungi | says you have an update? | 19:06 |
| rcarrillocruz | yeah | 19:06 |
| rcarrillocruz | so, it seems we got past all DC and net issues | 19:06 |
| rcarrillocruz | i set up the bifrost controller | 19:06 |
| rcarrillocruz | and spotted few bugs on bifrost since we last used it | 19:07 |
| rcarrillocruz | but with in place fixes | 19:07 |
| rcarrillocruz | happy to report i can provision nodes from it | 19:07 |
| rcarrillocruz | i showed up a deploy to pabelanger today | 19:07 |
| rcarrillocruz | i'm more than happy to show how the thing works to whoever is interested | 19:07 |
| rcarrillocruz | and let me know if you want to help out | 19:07 |
| rcarrillocruz | that it | 19:07 |
| fungi | that's excellent! | 19:07 |
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| fungi | thanks! | 19:08 |
| crinkle | awesome rcarrillocruz | 19:08 |
| rcarrillocruz | as a matter of fact | 19:08 |
| rcarrillocruz | another redeploy just in time: | 19:08 |
| rcarrillocruz | "2016-08-16 19:07:42.901 9824 INFO ironic.drivers.modules.agent_base_vendor [req-03204eef-f9d5-4524-b459-91e307d62a8a - - - - -] Deployment to node d1d4232d-91ec-41d9-9f9b-80350ae9f048 done" | 19:08 |
| rcarrillocruz | :-D | 19:08 |
| bkero | nice | 19:08 |
| clarkb | do we need to revuew changes for puppeting mitaka? | 19:09 |
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| ianw | rcarrillocruz: cool, could you do some sort of "intro to" session in irc/something at a known time, if a few people are interested? count me as one... | 19:09 |
| rcarrillocruz | i believe crinkle started something for that? | 19:09 |
| rcarrillocruz | ianw: sure, i believe we overlap during my morning for an hour or so | 19:10 |
| rcarrillocruz | more than happy to do so in a screen session or something | 19:10 |
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| jeblair | rcarrillocruz: if there's no private info, you could do this: http://amo-probos.org/post/17 | 19:10 |
| rcarrillocruz | ah nice | 19:11 |
| bkero | rcarrillocruz: https://github.com/yudai/gotty is a great tool for pop-up terminal sharing sessions | 19:11 |
| rcarrillocruz | i think it would be fine | 19:11 |
| bkero | or that | 19:11 |
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| rcarrillocruz | no passwords are shown by default on ansible output | 19:11 |
| rcarrillocruz | maybe agree a date/time on ML so people can join ? | 19:11 |
| crinkle | if it's not currently on mitaka then i haven't started anything | 19:11 |
| crinkle | looks like it is mitaka http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/puppet-infracloud/tree/manifests/controller.pp#n24 | 19:12 |
| fungi | oh, even better | 19:12 |
| crinkle | so nothing to do there for a few more weeks :) | 19:13 |
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| fungi | anything else we need to cover on infra-cloud? | 19:13 |
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| rcarrillocruz | nothing from me | 19:14 |
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| fungi | thanks! | 19:14 |
| fungi | #topic Priority Efforts: A Task Tracker for OpenStack (zaro) | 19:14 |
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| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/347486 Enable gerrit/storyboard integration | 19:14 |
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| fungi | zaro: anything specific about this change? | 19:14 |
| zaro | look in commit message of #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/347486/ | 19:14 |
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| zaro | it hasn't been enabled yet. we need to enable it | 19:14 |
| zaro | should we just enable for all projects? | 19:15 |
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| fungi | what's the potential impact? other than letting changes for those projects update sb stories and tasks through commit message lines? | 19:15 |
| zaro | btw, i think that general task tracker effort is Zara | 19:15 |
| Zara | yeah, I'm just watching rn | 19:16 |
| fungi | sounds like something we'd just want to enable globally for all repos | 19:16 |
| zaro | i think so | 19:16 |
| Zara | (since my questions are being covered at this very moment :)) | 19:16 |
| fungi | zaro: i moved your topic into the priority effort slot because it's related to a priority effort | 19:16 |
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| zaro | no other impacts i guess | 19:17 |
| fungi | Zara didn't mention anything specific on the agenda, so i figured she'd chime in if needed | 19:17 |
| fungi | anybody opposed to us enabling storyboard integration for all projects in our gerrit? | 19:17 |
| Zara | yeah, I got the impression an infra core needed to do something to enable it? so I'm just watching atm, but if there's something I should do, please let me know | 19:17 |
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| fungi | i'll take this silence as a tacit agreement | 19:18 |
| Zara | \o/ | 19:18 |
| fungi | #agreed We'll enable Storyboard integration for all projects in our Gerrit | 19:18 |
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| Zara | so I know what's going on and don't annoy people, who needs to do what to make that happen? | 19:19 |
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| fungi | #action fungi Add [plugin "its-storyboard"] enabled = true to All-Projects config per https://review.openstack.org/347486 | 19:19 |
| Zara | oh haha ace | 19:19 |
| fungi | i'll also update our sample config in the system-config docs while i'm at it | 19:19 |
| Krenair | fungi, I'm back earlier than expected, can talk wiki stuff when it comes up | 19:20 |
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| Zara | :) | 19:20 |
| fungi | Krenair: thanks--we will! | 19:20 |
| Zara | fungi: thank you! :) | 19:20 |
| fungi | Zara: zaro: anything else on this? | 19:20 |
| SotK | \o/ | 19:20 |
| zaro | nope | 19:20 |
| Zara | not from me, yaaaaay I'm so happy! :D | 19:20 |
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| fungi | #topic Priority Efforts: Zuul v3 (jeblair) | 19:20 |
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| jeblair | for the nodepool zookeeper work (which i consider on the critical path for zuulv3) we wanted to avoid a feature branch and try to land small stepwise changes. that's going to be very difficult, and probably not have the intended effect anyway, so i've created a feature/zuulv3 branch of nodepool where we can work on swapping out the builder. | 19:20 |
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| jeblair | i still think we should adhere to the spirit of that, and once we have the zookeeper builder ready, start running it and merge it into master | 19:21 |
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| fungi | jeblair: so it's specifically for separate (but related) priority nodepool spec we have? | 19:21 |
| fungi | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/specs/nodepool-zookeeper-workers.html Nodepool: Use Zookeeper for Workers | 19:21 |
| jeblair | fungi: yep, i may have misfiled under the agenda :) | 19:22 |
| fungi | no worries. close enough | 19:22 |
| jeblair | off by one | 19:22 |
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| clarkb | we are going to tag a release prior as well right? | 19:23 |
| clarkb | or did that already happen | 19:23 |
| jeblair | clarkb: already done | 19:23 |
| fungi | well, we discussed it briefly late last week in #zuul i think, but i'm still in favor now | 19:23 |
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| jeblair | 0.3.0 is the 'nodepool before zookeeper' tag | 19:24 |
| jeblair | we also tagged zuul | 19:24 |
| fungi | clarkb: yeah, some weeks ago we tagged a final pre-zk version for nodepool and made an announcement to downstreams that they might ought to pin to that | 19:24 |
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| fungi | zuul was tagged as 2.5 in keeping with it being the culmination of the "v2.5" ansible-launcher work, even though that meant skipping a couple of minor version numbers to get there | 19:25 |
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| pabelanger | o/ | 19:25 |
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| jeblair | i also think that we'll be able to switch fairly easily between current nodepool builders and zk when the time comes | 19:26 |
| jeblair | (if something goes awry) | 19:26 |
| jeblair | [that's all i had on the topic] | 19:27 |
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| fungi | okay, so we should expect some transitional period where we may go back and forth between the old and new style builders along with zuul v2(.5)? | 19:27 |
| jeblair | yeah, that's what i'm thinking. | 19:28 |
| fungi | well in advance of zuul v3 running in production anyway | 19:28 |
| jeblair | though, hopefully without the back-and-forth. :) | 19:28 |
| fungi | only forth! | 19:28 |
| * Shrews expects perfect integration the first time | 19:28 | |
| jeblair | yeah, the nodepool zk builders are still pre-zuulv3 | 19:28 |
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| jeblair | as soon as it's ready we should start using it | 19:29 |
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| fungi | wfm | 19:29 |
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| fungi | thanks | 19:29 |
| fungi | anybody have other questions on this? | 19:29 |
| jeblair | (then make sure we like it before we go all in on zk for the nodepool launcher) | 19:29 |
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| fungi | #topic Gerrit online index testing (zaro) | 19:30 |
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| fungi | zaro: so what's going on with this? | 19:30 |
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| zaro | so just to give everyone background on this topic. | 19:30 |
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| zaro | i am attempting to test the new gerrit online reindex feature on review-dev | 19:30 |
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| zaro | i initially tried to import nova into review-dev so we can get some prod like data to test with | 19:31 |
| zaro | but that really just wasn't working due to how the importer plugin works | 19:31 |
| zaro | fungi suggested we just pump changes into review-dev to load up it up for testing, so just fake data | 19:32 |
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| fungi | lack of corresponding accounts for change owners/reviewers and whatnot, if memory serves? | 19:32 |
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| zaro | i've done that, so now review-dev has about ~100k changes | 19:32 |
| anteaya | zaro: awesome | 19:32 |
| zaro | fungi: yes, and plugin had bugs | 19:32 |
| fungi | bugs? impossible ;) | 19:32 |
| zaro | and i've tested with just me poking at review-dev while reindexer is runnning | 19:32 |
| zaro | everything seems good but that's not the test i was after. | 19:33 |
| zaro | i wanted to run online reindex and have multiple users use review-dev while it's running. | 19:33 |
| anteaya | how long does the reindex take with 100k changes? | 19:33 |
| zaro | but problem now is review-dev is low on resources due to much more changes that got pumpped in | 19:33 |
| zaro | anteaya: about 1.5-2hrs | 19:34 |
| anteaya | thanks | 19:34 |
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| zaro | if we want that better test then we need to up the resources on review-dev | 19:34 |
| fungi | so next suggestion i think was that we could rebuild review-dev on a bigger instance | 19:34 |
| fungi | keep the db/homedir from the old server | 19:34 |
| zaro | more RAM and more disk please! | 19:35 |
| zaro | ohh cpu too | 19:35 |
| anteaya | how much more? | 19:35 |
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| fungi | yeah, that's the main question | 19:35 |
| zaro | if i had a list of flavors to pick from that would be great | 19:35 |
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| fungi | they mostly double except after 15 it goes to 30 | 19:36 |
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| fungi | for gigabytes of ram | 19:36 |
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| zaro | maybe just half of whatever's on prod would be enough | 19:36 |
| zaro | i think currently it's only got 4gig | 19:36 |
| fungi | looks like current review-dev is a 4gb flavor | 19:37 |
| fungi | yeah | 19:37 |
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| anteaya | prod is 30 right? | 19:37 |
| zaro | is half of prod asking too much | 19:37 |
| zaro | ? | 19:37 |
| fungi | review.o.o (prod) is 60gb | 19:37 |
| zaro | prod is 60gg | 19:37 |
| anteaya | ah | 19:37 |
| zaro | and disk space on review-dev is really low | 19:37 |
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| anteaya | I personally have no objection | 19:38 |
| anteaya | it is based on quota, yeah? | 19:38 |
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| anteaya | have we quota available? | 19:38 |
| fungi | though keep in mind we only really bumped production because we thought it would help the java gc memory pressure. instead that seems to just be a leak so no amount of extra ram is going to help | 19:38 |
| zaro | yeah, well aware of that. | 19:39 |
| fungi | disk space doesn't really change on the new flavors, we ought to just move ~gerrit2/review_site into a cinder volume | 19:39 |
| zaro | ++ there | 19:39 |
| fungi | we can make that as big as we want, effectively | 19:39 |
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| fungi | (or at least bigger than we'll need for this purpose) | 19:39 |
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| fungi | okay, so while 30gb is a bit much, perhaps we could rebuild again on a smaller flavor once you're done trying to heavily load-test it? | 19:40 |
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| zaro | sure. | 19:40 |
| fungi | also, any infra-core volunteers to launch the new review-dev server and add a cinder volume to it? | 19:41 |
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| rcarrillocruz | Me | 19:41 |
| zaro | also i have tested the project change scenario with online reindex and it works like a charm. | 19:42 |
| zaro | project change/ project name change | 19:42 |
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| rcarrillocruz | fungi: ^ | 19:42 |
| anteaya | zaro: that is good to know, thank you | 19:42 |
| ianw | fungi: i'm new to it, but can help with maybe some pointers | 19:42 |
| fungi | #action rcarrillocruz launch new 30gb review-dev and add an appropriately sized cinder volume for ~gerrit2/review_site | 19:43 |
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| fungi | ianw: maybe you and rcarrillocruz have some overlap time at the end of your day and early on his | 19:43 |
| rcarrillocruz | Yup | 19:43 |
| fungi | definitely team up. we have stuff pretty heavily documented | 19:43 |
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| fungi | anything else for the gerrit online reindex testing? | 19:44 |
| ianw | cool | 19:44 |
| zaro | nope. | 19:44 |
| fungi | #topic wiki status update (jpmaxman, Krenair, fungi) | 19:44 |
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| * Krenair waves | 19:44 | |
| fungi | thanks to jpmaxman's great testing and instructions, i manually upgraded production wiki.openstack.org in-place to mw 1.27 and ubuntu trusty on friday | 19:45 |
| anteaya | thank you | 19:45 |
| Zara | \o/ | 19:45 |
| jpmaxman | :) how's the spam? | 19:45 |
| fungi | seems to be working well so far. hasn't put a stop to spam but the newer captcha for confirmedit seems to have drastically reduced it | 19:45 |
| jpmaxman | haven't checked if it actually worked | 19:45 |
| fungi | we got several new accounts adding spam pages on saturday, and another one a few hours ago | 19:46 |
| fungi | but previous weeks that would have been an order of magnitude higher | 19:46 |
| fungi | since the upgrade there have been more days with no new spammers than with them | 19:47 |
| jpmaxman | cool - so some spam is still getting through? | 19:47 |
| fungi | jpmaxman: yeah, just not nearly as much | 19:47 |
| Krenair | does this spam (that still gets through) contain links? | 19:47 |
| jpmaxman | ok well it is a start! | 19:47 |
| fungi | same kind of spam though (phone numbers for scammers claiming to provide software/hardware support) | 19:47 |
| fungi | Krenair: nah, not for the most part | 19:47 |
| fungi | it's phone number spam | 19:48 |
| Krenair | ah | 19:48 |
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| jpmaxman | I mean if it is really a person - I guess there isn't a lot to be done | 19:48 |
| Krenair | yeah we have that on mediawiki.org sometimes | 19:48 |
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| fungi | also curious to try turning file uploads back on and seeing if confirmedit is covering those with the captcha now | 19:48 |
| anteaya | stop bots from indexing the wiki | 19:48 |
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| fungi | anteaya: that's an option we're still reserving as a possibility | 19:49 |
| anteaya | that is still an option | 19:49 |
| anteaya | right | 19:49 |
| Krenair | heh | 19:49 |
| jpmaxman | yeah I mean ideally you want people to find the content through a google search | 19:49 |
| anteaya | and past experience shows that vitually eliminates the spam | 19:49 |
| fungi | though i'd also like to see if we can give the stopforumspam blacklist extension a shot | 19:49 |
| anteaya | that is fair | 19:49 |
| fungi | basically they track and maintain a live list of ip addresses where they see abusive comments originating from, and the extension refuses to allow page edits from those ip addresses | 19:50 |
| anteaya | jpmaxman: what we would really like is for people to find docs.openstack.org and git.openstack.org via search engines | 19:50 |
| jpmaxman | ahh that reminds me | 19:50 |
| Krenair | imagine if wikipedia.org did that anteaya | 19:50 |
| jpmaxman | There is an additional configuration option for this module, $wgReCaptchaSendRemoteIP (default: false), which, if set to true, sends the IP address of the current user to a server from Google while verifying the CAPTCHA | 19:50 |
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| anteaya | Krenair: the business model is different | 19:50 |
| fungi | jpmaxman: oh, so maybe nocaptcha has some built-in ip address blacklisting too? | 19:51 |
| jpmaxman | fungi we can try setting that to true - seems similar to stopforumspam blacklist but baked into the nocaptcha | 19:51 |
| jpmaxman | yeah we just didn't enable it | 19:51 |
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| fungi | worth a try. the risk obviously is we're disclosing ip addresses to a third party, but... we'd be doing that via things like google analytics too | 19:52 |
| anteaya | Krenair: one of our options is not having a wiki | 19:52 |
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| fungi | anteaya: Krenair: right. on the spectrum of options we're evaluating, having a wiki that isn't indexed by major search engines might still be a good compromise between having a wiki full of spam or having no wiki at all | 19:53 |
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| jpmaxman | so next steps - Krenair I still need to go through your commits one thing I brought up with fungi was apache config changes for hosting the site in /srv/mediawiki - I wasn't sure if there was a reason for that - would be able to keep more defautls if it was in /var/www | 19:53 |
| anteaya | fungi: right | 19:53 |
| fungi | jpmaxman: oh, right, i was still composing an e-mail reply | 19:53 |
| Krenair | jpmaxman, isn't that the existing place puppet puts it? | 19:53 |
| Krenair | I don't think I changed that | 19:53 |
| fungi | we mostly try to follow the filesystem hierarchy standard and not write non-packaged, static content into /var | 19:53 |
| jpmaxman | I'm not sure - just on the existing server it is /srv/mediawiki | 19:54 |
| fungi | pretty much all our apache vhosts are served out of /srv/something on our servers | 19:54 |
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| jpmaxman | ok - that's fine - just need to consider that for Krenair puppet config | 19:54 |
| fungi | which we often (as will also be the case with wiki.o.o) mount from a separate cloud block storage device | 19:54 |
| jpmaxman | ubuntu apache package assumes /var/www and adds some config options to that directory which need to then be applied to the alternate location | 19:55 |
| Krenair | You're referring to this change jpmaxman? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/352033/1/templates/apache/mediawiki.erb | 19:55 |
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| jpmaxman | sorry Krenair - I'm just talking generally - I apologize I haven't taken a dive into the changes | 19:55 |
| jpmaxman | if it's already considered then just ignore me :) | 19:56 |
| Krenair | It's not considered | 19:56 |
| Krenair | It's not relevant | 19:56 |
| Krenair | The existing directory puppet uses is under /srv | 19:56 |
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| Krenair | Changing MW and Ubuntu versions doesn't affect that | 19:56 |
| fungi | i think the underlying point was that when updating our apache vhost config in production to cope with the apache 2.2 to 2.4 move there were (typical) updates needed to directory allow/grant and options | 19:57 |
| jpmaxman | ok I had to make some changes going 2.2 --> 2.4 - you have one in here - Require all granted | 19:57 |
| jpmaxman | I'll double check if anything else is necessary | 19:57 |
| jpmaxman | it may not be | 19:57 |
| fungi | jpmaxman was suggesting that using /var/www instead of /srv/mediawiki might make that unnecessary, but i'm pretty sure 1. it won't since we still need some pretty specific directory blocks for various mediawiki bits, and 2. we would rather stick with /srv for other reasons i already mentioned | 19:58 |
| fungi | jpmaxman: Krenair i have a diff i can link, just a sec, before the meeting ends | 19:58 |
| jpmaxman | fungi: agreed. The only reason it is not necessary is ubuntu package for apache puts it in the "upstream" conf for /var/www | 19:59 |
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| fungi | #link http://paste.openstack.org/show/558525 apache vhost diff for 2.2 to 2.4 update | 19:59 |
| jpmaxman | it's more important I'd think to keep things consistent with your other servers | 19:59 |
| anteaya | thanks for the meeting fungi | 19:59 |
| fungi | anyway, we're out of time | 19:59 |
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| fungi | oh, also before i endmeeting, reminder | 20:00 |
| zaro | I have the verify-status plugin (publishing test metadata to gerrit) on #link http://138.68.20.113:8080/#/c/2/ if anyone is interested to see how it works. | 20:00 |
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| Krenair | fungi, um. | 20:00 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:wiki-upgrade+is:open changes for wiki puppetization | 20:00 |
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| fungi | thanks for that Krenair! | 20:00 |
| fungi | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 16 20:00:34 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2016/infra.2016-08-16-19.02.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2016/infra.2016-08-16-19.02.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2016/infra.2016-08-16-19.02.log.html | 20:00 |
| Krenair | fungi, you put that Require all granted inside the <IfModule mod_expires.c>? | 20:00 |
| * bkero waves | 20:00 | |
| bkero | Thanks everyone. | 20:00 |
| ttx | oyez oyez | 20:00 |
| Krenair | among other places | 20:00 |
| fungi | Krenair: yeah, we can move to #openstack-infra | 20:01 |
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| * amrith thanks ttx for unlocking the doors and finds a seat in the back | 20:01 | |
| * amrith waves at ttx | 20:01 | |
| ttx | Anyone here for the TC meeting ? | 20:01 |
| sdague | o/ | 20:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | o/ | 20:01 |
| devananda | o/ | 20:01 |
| dtroyer | o/ | 20:01 |
| amrith | ./ | 20:01 |
| mestery | o/ | 20:01 |
| Krenair | I have to go now fungi, will be back later | 20:01 |
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| kota_ | o/ | 20:01 |
| russellb | hi | 20:01 |
| edleafe | ~/me tries to find a comfortable seat | 20:01 |
| edleafe | doh! | 20:01 |
| ttx | annegentle, dhellmann, mtreinish, mordred, thingee : around ? | 20:01 |
| annegentle | \o | 20:01 |
| eranrom | o/ | 20:01 |
| annegentle | feeling lefthanded | 20:01 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 20:01 |
| ttx | Alright, we have quorum | 20:01 |
| thingee | o/ | 20:01 |
| ttx | #startmeeting tc | 20:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 16 20:02:04 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tc)" | 20:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 20:02 |
| ttx | Hello everyone! Our agenda for today: | 20:02 |
| ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee | 20:02 |
| mtreinish | o/ | 20:02 |
| ttx | (remember to use #info #idea and #link liberally to make for a more readable summary !) | 20:02 |
| ttx | #topic Appoint Dean Troyer as replacement for Morgan | 20:02 |
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| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/354633 | 20:02 |
| ttx | mestery and myself have approved post-meeting the charter change proposed last week, which merged | 20:02 |
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| ttx | This change is applying the process described there and appointing Dean in replacement or Morgan | 20:02 |
| ttx | for* | 20:03 |
| ttx | This has enough votes to pass now, so I'll approve it unless someone screams | 20:03 |
| russellb | dtroyer: thanks for being willing to jump in | 20:03 |
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| sdague | ++ | 20:03 |
| mestery | +1 | 20:03 |
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| johnthetubaguy | +1 | 20:03 |
| dtroyer | russellb: I am happy to | 20:03 |
| annegentle | thanks dtroyer | 20:03 |
| ttx | Welcome dtroyer, let me flip your ACL approval rights too | 20:03 |
| ttx | done, you can Rollcall Vote now | 20:04 |
| dtroyer | thank you ttx | 20:04 |
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| ttx | I think I fixed up your -tc ML rights the other day already | 20:04 |
| dtroyer | and everyone | 20:04 |
| ttx | (but shhh) | 20:04 |
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| ttx | #topic Community-wide goals | 20:05 |
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| ttx | We had another week of discussion around community goals, and I think we need to move now | 20:05 |
| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/349068 | 20:05 |
| ttx | this one is the general process description | 20:05 |
| ttx | Some wording could still be adjusted, but I think the current version can be merged now and subsequent adjustements be proposed as separate changes | 20:05 |
| thingee | +1 | 20:06 |
| ttx | The only strong opposition was the concern that this would result in "top-down design" (jaypipes, hongbin), but I think we cleared out that this is not the intent of the goals at all | 20:06 |
| ttx | The other concern (expressed by notmyname, sdague) is that some goals might be so much work that prioritizing them over everything would create conflict with other natural priorities in the team | 20:06 |
| notmyname | if you think working should change, what's the rush on landing it now over getting better wording | 20:06 |
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| ttx | notmyname: I think wording could be improved. Doesn't mean there would be a majority of members agreeing with that | 20:06 |
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| annegentle | I'd like to see rephrasing as well before landing it. Shows work towards consensus-basis. | 20:07 |
| dhellmann | someone needs to propose specific wording changes | 20:07 |
| ttx | but if we have consensus around another wording now, that's fine too | 20:07 |
| ttx | it's just simpler to judge as a separate patch | 20:07 |
| annegentle | dhellmann sorry I hadn't caught the "technical debt" line, was on my phone (hence all the typos previously, bwah) | 20:07 |
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| ttx | I think careful selection of goals can help with that second concern | 20:08 |
| ttx | Also, Murphy's law states that shit will always happen | 20:08 |
| ttx | if a team finds themselves in an exceptional situation and ends up not being able to complete the goal, it's fine | 20:08 |
| ttx | We just need to document that exceptional situation for future reference | 20:08 |
| annegentle | ttx I'm overall fine with the effort, hence my vote. Still... any chance to revise would be welcomed | 20:08 |
| dhellmann | annegentle : np, I do want to make sure the info is clear | 20:08 |
| dhellmann | annegentle : what would you like to see changed? | 20:08 |
| annegentle | dhellmann ok if I review now inline? | 20:08 |
| dhellmann | sure | 20:09 |
| annegentle | dhellmann really just was buying time before meeting to sit at a computer again... it's a crazy pre-kids-back-to-school-week | 20:09 |
| annegentle | travel-next-week-kind-of-week | 20:09 |
| annegentle | :) | 20:09 |
| dhellmann | heh | 20:09 |
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| ttx | I was interested in approving this version and iterating on it since the current patchset has all +1s nicely lined up | 20:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | ttx: +1 fix ups being a follow on patch | 20:10 |
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| ttx | this is a reference document, so it's a living document. Not like a resolution where the wording can't change | 20:11 |
| annegentle | ttx hm... | 20:11 |
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| annegentle | ttx I guess I can be convinced with that because it offers more long-term flexibility too as we try this out | 20:11 |
| annegentle | plus a spelling error seems like it could be fixed :) | 20:11 |
| ttx | annegentle: that's why it lives in the reference/ directory and not in the resolutions/ one | 20:11 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, spelling errors fall under the trivial fix house rule | 20:12 |
| sdague | ttx: yeh, I think that's a nuance that was missed by me | 20:12 |
| ttx | err, it actually lives in its own directory | 20:12 |
| dhellmann | yeah | 20:12 |
| ttx | I guess we could add to README.rst that goals are also living documents like reference | 20:13 |
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| ttx | since README describes the directory structure of the repo | 20:13 |
| annegentle | ok, looking at my suggestions they seem to fall under the "can be fixed in future" rewording camp | 20:13 |
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| annegentle | dhellmann er, took off my -1 in case it blocks | 20:14 |
| ttx | We have almost everyone +1ing here so this sounds like a good starting point. | 20:14 |
| dhellmann | annegentle : I replied to your comments inline | 20:14 |
| russellb | ttx: ++ | 20:15 |
| ttx | Objections to merging this now and proposing subsequent improvements as separate reviews ? | 20:15 |
| mtreinish | ttx: that works for me | 20:15 |
| ttx | perfect being the enemy of good and all | 20:15 |
| dhellmann | ttx: I'll update the readme in a follow-up | 20:15 |
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| annegentle | notmyname is the concern about the wording mentioned on the ML also mentioned in the review? | 20:15 |
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| notmyname | annegentle: good question. I haven't added it in the review (didn't want to have one conversation in 2 places) | 20:16 |
| notmyname | annegentle: would you like me to add a reference in gerrit? | 20:16 |
| ttx | I'll add my alternate wording suggestion in there for reference, before approving | 20:16 |
| dansmith | seems like removing three words would make this first version acceptable to almost everyone, right? | 20:16 |
| annegentle | notmyname ttx yeah that's helpful for archival purposes (and when our future selves look back after trying this out) | 20:16 |
| dansmith | "above other work" the sticking point for me | 20:16 |
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| notmyname | dansmith: yeah, that's the worst part | 20:17 |
| ttx | recorded my alternate wording suggestion | 20:17 |
| dhellmann | dansmith : that would make it unacceptable to me, fwiw | 20:18 |
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| dansmith | if we removed that I'd be +1 (for what it's worth) and much happier to iterate from _that_ afterwards | 20:18 |
| sdague | dhellmann: why? | 20:18 |
| dansmith | based on the goals proposed after this general doc, I don't understand why it matters that they're highest priority | 20:18 |
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| dhellmann | sdague : because I consider that phrase an important part. Saying "they will prioritize the work" allows it to be a low priority and not even worked on. | 20:18 |
| annegentle | the whole point is to get agreement that we're investing our resources wisely. | 20:19 |
| sdague | sure, but there are lots of really important things that never will fit into a process like this | 20:19 |
| dansmith | dhellmann: if that's the case then maybe it's best not to land this and then plan to iterate later, because that'd be the thing I'd like to see iterated upon first :) | 20:19 |
| ttx | I think we can discuss the semantics in the subsequent patch when it's proposed by someone who cares enough about the issue to propose it | 20:19 |
| annegentle | so I'd rather keep strong wording and ensure that the comms around it show the benefits outweigh the concerns | 20:19 |
| sdague | like upgrade support | 20:19 |
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| annegentle | sdague ah, ok, so it's the timing/scoping. | 20:19 |
| dansmith | exactly | 20:19 |
| sdague | and it is fine that things that fit into one cycle are as important as other things | 20:19 |
| flaper87 | o/ kinda here | 20:19 |
| sdague | but I'm not sure why things that fit into one cycle trump all other things | 20:20 |
| dhellmann | sdague : it is not "above all other work" it is "above other work" | 20:20 |
| annegentle | sdague that may be where I'm hesitant on value as well. hm. | 20:20 |
| sdague | dhellmann: ok, I guess I was reading it as the first | 20:20 |
| dansmith | dhellmann: the other words about being a single cycle move that from implicit to explicit, I thnk | 20:20 |
| dansmith | dhellmann: because so much of our important stuff is multi-cycle | 20:20 |
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| dhellmann | dansmith : I have a high level of confidence that the nova team can do 2 things at one time | 20:21 |
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| notmyname | dhellmann: I get the impression you wouldn't be ok with a goal being prioritized as second from the last. that's "above other work". so what's the substantive difference between "over other work" and "over all other work"? | 20:21 |
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| edleafe | dhellmann: we're already doing like 6 things at once | 20:21 |
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| dhellmann | notmyname : I expect teams to have to drop things from their priority lists for a cycle in order to fit these things in. I do not expect them to drop everything. | 20:22 |
| dansmith | dhellmann: we surely can, but I think most of us feel like py3 (as an example) is just not realistically completable in O, and that's kinda the benchmark goal I'm using in my head, since it's very cross-project-y | 20:22 |
| flaper87 | notmyname: I guess common sense will come into play in that case. These goals are cross-project and have significant relevance | 20:22 |
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| flaper87 | I'd expect teams to be able to prioritize some of their tasks to be able to achieve these goals. Not all tasks should be dropped or de-prioritized | 20:22 |
| ttx | OK, since there is no consensus on alternate wording right now, I'd rather merge the version that actually has 10+ TC members agree with it | 20:23 |
| annegentle | flaper87 also the benefits should be amenable to all of OpenStack, amenable as in "yep that reasoning makes sense" | 20:23 |
| ttx | and let people propose alternate wording | 20:23 |
| sdague | so, to be clear, I don't want us to die on the hill over whether the word "all" feels implied or not. So as long as we all agree to be reasonable humans unit testing this process with some real things, I'm fine moving forward | 20:23 |
| dhellmann | dansmith : I tried to answer sdague's concerns on that in the review. tl;dr is documenting the plan, and making significant progress on it, would be ok for me. | 20:23 |
| flaper87 | annegentle: correct | 20:23 |
| flaper87 | ttx: ++ | 20:23 |
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| sdague | because I think the reality is we're going to learn a lot trying to do this | 20:23 |
| annegentle | ttx are we on deadline for this release though? | 20:23 |
| flaper87 | sdague: yes | 20:23 |
| dhellmann | sdague : agreed | 20:23 |
| russellb | sdague: ++ | 20:23 |
| thingee | sdague: +1 | 20:23 |
| ttx | annegentle: we need to define the goals ASAP if they are to have any chance of success | 20:23 |
| dtroyer | in one of the reviews sdague spelled out the Nove issues with mox3, that is the sort of thing I would want to see in a why-this-didn't-hit-once-cycle statement in the doc.. we'll never know _all_ of those things up front, and if we wait for that to even try, well, here we are | 20:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague +1 | 20:23 |
| annegentle | ttx oh for next. got it. | 20:23 |
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| dhellmann | dtroyer : exactly | 20:24 |
| dansmith | dhellmann: then why not say that instead of "above other work"? | 20:24 |
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| ttx | OK, approved | 20:24 |
| dansmith | anyway, we're clearly moving | 20:24 |
| ttx | Now onto the goals for Ocata | 20:24 |
| ttx | which should be the important discussion, rather than wording details that can change at any point in the future | 20:24 |
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| ttx | #topic Add ocata goal "support python 3.5" | 20:24 |
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| dhellmann | dansmith : it's all in there. I don't want every goal to turn into a multi-cycle effort, though. *try* to do the thing in the cycle. | 20:24 |
| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/349069 | 20:24 |
| amrith | thanks dhellmann on moving this forward | 20:24 |
| sdague | ok, so in the unit testing mode. I think the question in my mind is where the analysis for what's required happens | 20:25 |
| ttx | the py35 one is mostly consensual, the only opposition I could track was the comment from sdague | 20:25 |
| annegentle | ttx I have concerns | 20:25 |
| ttx | (that mox has some crazy races with python 3 that seem completely non deterministic, and Nova still has 2440 instances where it's called) | 20:25 |
| * ttx refreshes review | 20:25 | |
| dansmith | I have concerns, I don't think py35 is doable in one (the next) cycle for nova | 20:25 |
| sdague | ttx: well, I think it's one of the few projects that exposed what is required inside a specific project | 20:25 |
| notmyname | likewise, I do not thing py35 is doable in swift in the next cycle | 20:25 |
| ttx | notmyname: could you express that as a -1 on the review for reference ? | 20:26 |
| dhellmann | dansmith , notmyname : do you think you could make significant progress on it? I think nova and swift are behind some of the other projects in terms of starting point. | 20:26 |
| notmyname | ttx: sure. I was holding off until the other patch was resolved :-) | 20:26 |
| dtroyer | notmyname: is there some discrete subset that might be? | 20:26 |
| sdague | dhellmann: we've been making significant progress for 4 cycles | 20:27 |
| ttx | notmyname: one -1 at a time ? :) | 20:27 |
| dansmith | dhellmann: we already have | 20:27 |
| dansmith | dhellmann: and will continue to | 20:27 |
| dhellmann | sdague, dansmith : ok, but specifically toward the list of things in this proposal. what *could* you do? | 20:27 |
| sdague | the point is the scope per project is assumed to be small | 20:27 |
| ttx | dhellmann: maybe it's a bit early to have that as a goal then | 20:27 |
| dhellmann | sdague : no, I have no doubt this is a big one. | 20:27 |
| notmyname | ttx: well, as I said at the beginning, I didn't want to agree to a proposal when I didn't agree with the framework for it. but I'm not sure it needs a -1 because it can't be done all in one cycle? | 20:27 |
| ttx | if for some projects it's more work than they can swallow in a (short) cycle | 20:27 |
| annegentle | so, we're uncovering dependencies issues with Ansible and 3.5, plus the sizing. | 20:28 |
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| notmyname | sure, we'll make progress on py35 compat during the next cycle. as we've done in previous ones | 20:28 |
| dhellmann | annegentle : the ansible thing is not an issue | 20:28 |
| dansmith | dhellmann: I don't actually know anyone actively working on it, so it's really hard to even plan that | 20:28 |
| ttx | notmyname: the concept of development cycle goals is that they have to be "completed" within a cycle | 20:28 |
| dhellmann | dansmith : what would it take to ensure that there was someone actively working on it? | 20:28 |
| annegentle | dhellmann ah ok, re-reading the "integration tests" piece. | 20:28 |
| ttx | so if it's not doable for, say, Nova to complete the goal, it may not be a good goal | 20:28 |
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| sdague | the unit tests aren't doable for sure | 20:28 |
| sdague | because of the mox issue | 20:29 |
| russellb | well, nova is one of the biggest projects, it could also just be an exception | 20:29 |
| dtroyer | for both Nova and Swift, is there a subset that is doable? | 20:29 |
| russellb | we expect most projects to complete this, but could have a few documented exceptions where we expect it to be too big to complete | 20:29 |
| dhellmann | yes, I'm not sure we want to size everything based on whether nova can do it in one cycle | 20:29 |
| dansmith | dhellmann: I dunno, money? :) | 20:29 |
| sdague | nova's functional tests are different than others, so it's actually not super clear that's actually useful | 20:29 |
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| notmyname | russellb: might need to take it as a sign that nova might not belong in openstack? ;-) | 20:29 |
| sdague | the integration testing is the most likely next step | 20:29 |
| mestery | russellb: ++, that sounds reasonable | 20:29 |
| russellb | with the size of openstack, i'm sure exceptions will be common | 20:30 |
| annegentle | I'm not completly convinced of the benefits for here/now. | 20:30 |
| dhellmann | notmyname : not funny | 20:30 |
| sdague | but, someone actually needs to own that bit cross project, to my knowledge python3 devstack is not actually a thing anyone is running voting anywhere | 20:30 |
| notmyname | dhellmann: awe come one. I'm laughing :-) | 20:30 |
| dansmith | annegentle: agreed, I'm not *really* sure who is clamoring for this, tbh | 20:30 |
| sdague | which is unstaffed and not from any particular project, right? | 20:30 |
| russellb | annegentle: because this is a requirement from the python community we have to keep up with? | 20:30 |
| annegentle | and one thing I want to know is, how to propose an alternative to this particular goal? I'm okay with the Oslo one, but this one, I'm not as sure of. | 20:30 |
| mtreinish | sdague: yeah we don't have that voting anywhere | 20:30 |
| sdague | mtreinish: do we have it running anywhere? | 20:30 |
| mtreinish | sdague: the last I looked there was a patch which flipped the switch dhellmann added a while back for testing | 20:31 |
| dhellmann | sdague : how long before python 2 EOL do you want to wait? if you already think it's going to take >1 year, and we have something like 3? | 20:31 |
| ttx | I think this goal only has value if we can achieve it for all projects, not with already-known missing projects | 20:31 |
| sdague | dhellmann: we're going to make progress, I just don't think the unit tests are doable | 20:31 |
| annegentle | russellb but who does that benefit exactly? I'm not sure. | 20:31 |
| sdague | unless we do things like delete the xenserver driver | 20:31 |
| ttx | annegentle: it benefits us | 20:31 |
| dhellmann | sdague : that's fine with me. I'm much more interested in the integration tests, personally. | 20:31 |
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| sdague | which doesn't mean the code won't work, it's just the unit test issue | 20:31 |
| mtreinish | sdague: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/331224/ | 20:32 |
| patchbot | mtreinish: patch 331224 - openstack-dev/devstack - DNM: Test with python 3.4 enabled | 20:32 |
| russellb | annegentle: it affects everyone who runs openstack | 20:32 |
| dhellmann | it just felt weird to say that we'd do those before unit tests | 20:32 |
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| sdague | dhellmann: right, well unit tests are technical debt too | 20:32 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: maybe limiting to integration tests would make it more... reasonable for the ocata goal | 20:32 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, logically those seemed easier, mox notwithstanding | 20:32 |
| annegentle | clients are in scope here also? | 20:32 |
| dhellmann | ttx: I would be ok with that | 20:32 |
| dansmith | ttx: sdague: do we have any idea how close we could be to integration tests for all projects? | 20:33 |
| dhellmann | annegentle : yes, everything | 20:33 |
| sdague | dhellmann: yeh, if it wasn't the mox issue, it would be easy | 20:33 |
| dansmith | becauseI feel like we know less about those than unit tests | 20:33 |
| sdague | dansmith: I have no idea | 20:33 |
| ttx | notmyname: how much more doable would that make it for swift ? | 20:33 |
| sdague | that's the part that feels unstaffed | 20:33 |
| notmyname | what is an integration test? is that running the service under py3 and running functional tests? | 20:33 |
| dhellmann | sdague : is the solution to the mox thing to rewrite all of those tests? | 20:33 |
| russellb | if we throw goals out because of a minority of exceptions, it feels like we'll just end up with the least common denominator of goals | 20:33 |
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| mtreinish | ttx: so change the goal to have a voting dsvm tempest python3.5 job on every project? | 20:33 |
| dansmith | so if this is one cycle, prioritized above other work, how can we possibly even adopt this as a goal? | 20:33 |
| russellb | and it won't be a very interesting exercise | 20:33 |
| sdague | dhellmann: pretty much | 20:33 |
| sdague | dhellmann: which we've been doing | 20:33 |
| dhellmann | notmyname : devstack-gate with the service under python 3 | 20:33 |
| sdague | it's slow going | 20:34 |
| dhellmann | sdague : ok, if we drop the unit tests does that make it more doable? | 20:34 |
| dhellmann | russellb : right, consensus is not 100% agreement | 20:34 |
| notmyname | ttx: it's hard to stay. yeah, that's less scope, but I'd have to explore more of the current py3 gaps before committing to a deadline | 20:34 |
| russellb | and seems like it could be useful to carry goals over to the next cycle for projects that didn't finish it, tracking which needed a bit more time to wrap it up | 20:35 |
| dansmith | notmyname: that's my point, I feel like it is less easy to answer if you remove the one known bit, at least for nova | 20:35 |
| russellb | py3 seems like a good example of that | 20:35 |
| dhellmann | dansmith : what I want is for projects to try it. If we discover that it doesn't work, then that's an outcome. But if we never set a goal of trying it, then everyone is going to keep saying "we have N more years" | 20:35 |
| ttx | dhellmann: looks like this one needs more work, should we switch to discussing the other one ? | 20:35 |
| dhellmann | ttx: ok | 20:35 |
| ttx | #topic Add ocata goal "remove copies of incubated Oslo code" | 20:35 |
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| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/349070 | 20:35 |
| dhellmann | russellb: carry-over is built into the process | 20:35 |
| ttx | I noticed objection from mugsie that designate likes using its own copy of the small memorycache wrapper | 20:35 |
| dansmith | dhellmann: I'm all for it, but we just agreed it was going to be pretty high priority and we hardly know what the extent is :) | 20:35 |
| ttx | But that seems to point to either the need to split that function from the lib or just accept the benefits of the maintained lib approach (disk space is cheap) | 20:35 |
| ttx | No other objection last time I looked | 20:36 |
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| sdague | ttx: ok, so this again is the process question | 20:36 |
| sdague | how many teams should check in with the scope for their project before moving this forward | 20:36 |
| sdague | because it's super easy for me to +1, this directory doesn't exist in nova | 20:36 |
| sdague | but, that's kind of a cop out :) | 20:36 |
| jroll | there's a paste in the patch with a list of all the things this includes | 20:36 |
| jroll | which isn't large | 20:36 |
| ttx | sdague: I expect that even in the worst case scenario that would be reasonable amount of work | 20:37 |
| sdague | ttx: I'd rather we didn't guess | 20:37 |
| dhellmann | sdague : if the work is done, then that's all that needs to be reported. | 20:37 |
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| jroll | this is the current estimate: | 20:37 |
| jroll | #link http://paste.openstack.org/show/550418 | 20:37 |
| ttx | sdague: that is why we cced all PTLs on that review | 20:37 |
| dhellmann | sdague : this was a purposefully small goal, because the other was larger | 20:37 |
| sdague | ttx: ok | 20:37 |
| dtroyer | we are fast-tracking the bits that would get more time to research in future goals | 20:37 |
| sdague | dtroyer: we're still setting a pattern | 20:38 |
| sdague | I guess the question is, should the PTLs actually update the patch with what their project needs to do | 20:38 |
| annegentle | ok, for this one can I get the rewording since the comms here are pretty critical? | 20:38 |
| mtreinish | jroll: that's not that many | 20:38 |
| sdague | so with TC hat on, it's easier to say, "yeh, this seems very reasonable to push through on this cycle" | 20:38 |
| ttx | annegentle: agree wording is more important to get right on this one | 20:38 |
| dhellmann | sdague : yes, the PTLs should all prepare patches to update the details for their project | 20:38 |
| jroll | mtreinish: exactly, and it isn't likely to break things hard, so I think it should be fairly easy | 20:38 |
| annegentle | sdague I think the other document says PTLs track separately? | 20:38 |
| dhellmann | annegentle : they need to provide links to their tracking artifacts, or details as to why those do not exist | 20:39 |
| sdague | dhellmann: ok, but the TC is going to evaluate goals before the data exists on project scope? | 20:39 |
| sdague | I guess I imagined this a slightly different way | 20:39 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sdague: +1 on the process causing some confusion for me, I imagined something slightly different again | 20:40 |
| sdague | TC: we think this should be a goal for the next cycle, how hard is it for projects | 20:40 |
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| dhellmann | sdague : we're bootstrapping this process with some goals that we all discussed before. I picked 2 I knew about to write up. | 20:40 |
| sdague | Projects: this is what it requires of us (into the review) | 20:40 |
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| sdague | TC: ok, now we have the data to evaluate prioritizing this | 20:40 |
| dhellmann | they don't have to provide that until the O-1 milestone | 20:40 |
| sdague | dhellmann: so then how do we know these are reasonable goals? | 20:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | hang on... at what point to we work out we screwed up | 20:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | erm, I mean what sdague said... | 20:41 |
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| johnthetubaguy | are these proposals we talk to the summit, and then projects follow up on the winners? | 20:41 |
| ttx | goals should not originally come from a vacuum | 20:41 |
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| ttx | they should be the result of community discussions where we see the topic emerge as a potential goal | 20:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | s/we talk/we take/ | 20:42 |
| dhellmann | the normal order is: discuss goals in community to determine scope and interest (summit); plan goals in the community (before PTG); TC pick a couple, write up, and approve by PTG; plan implementation (PTG); submit artifact docs (1st milestone); submit final docs (release) | 20:42 |
| ttx | the job of the TC is to detect that trend and propose it as goal. We can get it wrong | 20:42 |
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| dhellmann | for this coming cycle, we have the summit and cycle start happening at the same time | 20:43 |
| ttx | but the review should uncover those | 20:43 |
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| dhellmann | but I did not want to wait a full year before starting to work out how to handle goals | 20:43 |
| sdague | ok, I guess I assumed we'd get some first cut plan in this doc before it landed | 20:43 |
| ttx | dhellmann: I don't think we need to wait one year either | 20:43 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: looks like we'll need another round on that goal as well, if only t oinclude the wording from anne in there | 20:44 |
| dhellmann | sdague : no, those are meant to be individual follow-ups so we can discuss them | 20:44 |
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| dansmith | so, we as a project pick our priorities at the summit/beginning of the cycle, | 20:44 |
| dhellmann | ttx: ? | 20:44 |
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| ttx | dansmith: summit won't be at beginning of cycle | 20:44 |
| dansmith | I would think the goals have to be vetted and reasonable by that point to be included in our prioritization | 20:45 |
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| dansmith | ttx: yeah, which is why I said /beginning | 20:45 |
| ttx | oh ok | 20:45 |
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| dansmith | ttx: but dhellmann said O1, which presumably means first milestone for any cycle, is where we find out if it's doable, right? | 20:45 |
| ttx | dhellmann: we don't have majority yet and Anne proposed extra words for that one | 20:45 |
| fungi | on the "submit artifact docs" stage, i can imagine it getting tiresome for some teams (for example, i18n who has no code repositories whatsoever, or stable branch team who won't be able to backport any of this) to have to provide the tc with updates on why each and every one of these priorities doesn't apply to their team. is the tc going to actuall expect to get word back from every single team, | 20:45 |
| fungi | or just use common sense on what projects will actually be impacted? | 20:46 |
| dhellmann | dansmith : you're skipping the discussions between summit and ptg | 20:46 |
| ttx | oh we actually have a majority now | 20:46 |
| ttx | dhellmann: do you want to do another patchset including anne's proposed wording ? | 20:46 |
| dhellmann | fungi : we'll see how that goes. I'm curious about infra's plans to port tooling to py3, though. :-) | 20:46 |
| annegentle | dhellmann or I can | 20:46 |
| ttx | We need to switch to next topic | 20:47 |
| dhellmann | annegentle : I do not see any suggested wording changes? | 20:47 |
| johnthetubaguy | I was imagining we agree a draft list of goals in the last session of the cross project track, so that can trickle down, and we loop back at the end of the week | 20:47 |
| ttx | dhellmann: Add lead sentence: "By ensuring all projects are using released Oslo libraries, OpenStack can ensure that Oslo bug fixes and security releases are available to all projects." | 20:47 |
| annegentle | dhellmann would like a single sentence lead/lede | 20:47 |
| annegentle | dhellmann I can do it, after merging | 20:47 |
| fungi | dhellmann: me too! | 20:47 |
| dhellmann | oh, I'm looking at the wrong patchset | 20:47 |
| annegentle | dhellmann it's not controversial | 20:47 |
| annegentle | fungi heh | 20:47 |
| sdague | I don't think the goal is controversial, I just want to get the pattern right going forward | 20:47 |
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| annegentle | dhellmann it kinda sucks since it uses "ensure" twice. | 20:47 |
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| annegentle | dhellmann I can work on it | 20:48 |
| dhellmann | annegentle : ok, let's work on that separately, I agree it's a good addition | 20:48 |
| ttx | annegentle: let's approve it and refine it later ? | 20:48 |
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| annegentle | dhellmann ttx yep, I'm good with that | 20:48 |
| ttx | ok done | 20:48 |
| sdague | I would personally much rather have some chunk of the listed projects inline have data about whether or not it applies to them | 20:48 |
| notmyname | on this general topic then, what's next for PTLs? | 20:48 |
| sdague | and what the scope would be | 20:49 |
| notmyname | where do we submit patches to reference things? when? | 20:49 |
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| ttx | sdague: we can always add that | 20:49 |
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| dhellmann | notmyname : update the goal page in the governance repo with links to plans or other artifacts by the first ocata milestone | 20:49 |
| ttx | need to switch to next topic | 20:49 |
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| ttx | #topic Storlets (initial discussion) | 20:49 |
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| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/353693 | 20:49 |
| ttx | Do we have anyone from the Storlets project ? | 20:49 |
| eranrom | yep. Thanks for having us | 20:50 |
| eranrom | ttx: I have replied to your initial questions in Gerrit | 20:50 |
| ttx | eranrom: thanks | 20:51 |
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| ttx | FWIW what I mean by viable standalone is a team taht actually works outside of the original team it was developed under | 20:51 |
| ttx | I missed your meetings since they are not logged under the offciial channels | 20:52 |
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| annegentle | is there any other project working like this today? | 20:52 |
| ttx | so I was wondering how long you've been operating as a separate team | 20:52 |
| eranrom | Well, the fact is the from day 1 storlets have been developed outside of the Swift team | 20:52 |
| eranrom | for about a year now | 20:53 |
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| eranrom | 14 month to be precise :-) | 20:53 |
| notmyname | ttx: what eranrom said. storlets didn't come out of the openstack swift developer team. this is an ecosystem project asking to join openstack, not a separation of one project out of another | 20:54 |
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| russellb | sounds like a very cool project, btw | 20:54 |
| eranrom | russellb: thanks! | 20:54 |
| annegentle | yeah I'm excited about the possibilities | 20:54 |
| notmyname | although, of course, eranrom and anyone doing storlets is/has also been talking to people who do swift things (and quite a bit) | 20:54 |
| bswartz | This project is Java code... doesn't that disqualify it? | 20:54 |
| thingee | openjdk is not known at this time to work according to comments. I believe other solutions in openstack have hit this wall in just being a proposed dependency. | 20:54 |
| russellb | bswartz: end users write java code | 20:54 |
| dhellmann | eranrom : how do you test the java bits under CI? | 20:54 |
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| jroll | thingee: where does it say openjdk doesn't work? | 20:55 |
| eranrom | well, all the Java code is running in a Docker container, we have a Jenkins job that builds it, and then we drive our middleware to test it | 20:56 |
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| jroll | thingee: oh, found it, sorry | 20:56 |
| dtroyer | we don't (AFAIK) have any other projects promoting Java as a user-facing language | 20:56 |
| mestery | eranrom: That's a slick way to do it using containers, very nice | 20:56 |
| annegentle | dtroyer jclouds is governed by Apache Foundation fwiw | 20:56 |
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| dtroyer | it's an sdk/app developer thing, is this the same category | 20:56 |
| eranrom | dtroyer: Doesn't the SDK uses Java and other? | 20:56 |
| dtroyer | using that logic, we can run powershell in projects | 20:57 |
| bswartz | I'm just confused about why we can say no to golang and yes to java... | 20:57 |
| jroll | bswartz: this isn't a java project | 20:57 |
| jroll | it's a project that runs java | 20:57 |
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| bswartz | jroll: thanks | 20:57 |
| eranrom | mestery: Well containers are at the heart of the project, we cannot just execute end user code on a storage system | 20:57 |
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| mestery | eranrom: Exactly, but still, it's a neat model and lets you do some interesting things with regards to CI | 20:58 |
| annegentle | bswartz it's not a REST service written in Java | 20:58 |
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| eranrom | mestery: right | 20:58 |
| mestery | eranrom: We do some similar things for the work we've done in upstream ovs/ovn for scale testing | 20:58 |
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| eranrom | annegentle: bswartz: Right, its more if a language binding | 20:58 |
| eranrom | we are now working also on Python | 20:59 |
| kota_ | eranrom: for running user's python code | 20:59 |
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| eranrom | kota_: right, thanks | 20:59 |
| kota_ | on a storage system | 20:59 |
| ttx | OK, unfortunately we do not have a lot of time to cover this today and will have to continue this in a future meeting. In the mean time, please review and comment on the change itself | 20:59 |
| dtroyer | has there been any thought with regard to auditing/securing the container running user-supplied code? | 20:59 |
| ttx | since this teaser seems to have picked your interest | 20:59 |
| eranrom | ttx: thanks | 20:59 |
| annegentle | did I miss any answer for my question about the model, has it been done before or is it happening elsewhere? | 21:00 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I remember this coming up: https://zerovm.readthedocs.io/zerocloud/overview.html | 21:00 |
| jroll | annegentle: zerovm did something similar but implemented totally different | 21:00 |
| annegentle | the project dependency model | 21:00 |
| ttx | eranrom: you could retrofit some of the answers to my questions in the commit message for reference | 21:00 |
| annegentle | jroll ok | 21:00 |
| eranrom | johnthetubaguy: right | 21:00 |
| jroll | annegentle: and not openstack | 21:00 |
| bswartz | ttx: s/picked/piqued/ | 21:00 |
| eranrom | ttx: sure | 21:00 |
| ttx | (especially the details around language, which will avoid a lot of questions) | 21:00 |
| ttx | bswartz: damn, owned by a French verb | 21:00 |
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| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 21:01 |
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| annegentle | ttx quelle horreur | 21:01 |
| annegentle | :) | 21:01 |
| ttx | A lot of us will be at OpenStack East / Ops midcycle in New York next week so it's probably a good bet to skip that one | 21:01 |
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| annegentle | so, shall I propose another idea for a goal to get all projects using the common API docs tooling? Is that the sort of thing we're looking at? | 21:01 |
| ttx | I'll propose that in a -tc thread | 21:01 |
| mtreinish | annegentle: ++ | 21:01 |
| annegentle | I don't mind skipping next week | 21:02 |
| ttx | And we are over time | 21:02 |
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| annegentle | ayup | 21:02 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 21:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 16 21:02:32 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2016/tc.2016-08-16-20.02.html | 21:02 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2016/tc.2016-08-16-20.02.txt | 21:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2016/tc.2016-08-16-20.02.log.html | 21:02 |
| ttx | Thanks everyone | 21:02 |
| amrith | thx ttx | 21:03 |
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