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| ddeja | #startmeeting ha | 08:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 15 08:59:58 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ddeja. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ha' | 09:00 |
| ddeja | hi all | 09:00 |
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| ddeja | seems not many people today.. | 09:01 |
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| ddeja | #endmeeting | 09:05 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 15 09:05:23 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:05 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha/2016/ha.2016-08-15-08.59.html | 09:05 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha/2016/ha.2016-08-15-08.59.txt | 09:05 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha/2016/ha.2016-08-15-08.59.log.html | 09:05 |
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| andreykurilin | #startmeeting Rally | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 15 14:00:08 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is andreykurilin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Rally)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rally' | 14:00 |
| andreykurilin | o/ | 14:00 |
| amaretskiy | o/ | 14:00 |
| rvasilets_ | o/ | 14:00 |
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| andreykurilin | ok, I had at least 3 topics to discuss | 14:01 |
| andreykurilin | #topic optional-requirements. Do we need them at all? | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "optional-requirements. Do we need them at all? (Meeting topic: Rally)" | 14:02 | |
| andreykurilin | We created this file long time ago | 14:02 |
| andreykurilin | when we had no ability to add custom requirements(those one which are missed from global-requirements) to requirements.txt | 14:03 |
| andreykurilin | Now, we have ability to add whatever we want to requirements.txt | 14:03 |
| rvasilets_ | As I remember there should be packages that are not in global requirements | 14:03 |
| amaretskiy | I think that is reasonable to catch ImportError on specific clients initialization and print help message for installing pythonclient-<name> | 14:04 |
| andreykurilin | rvasilets_: yes, but we decided to do it since we had no ability to add requriements to requirements.txt | 14:05 |
| andreykurilin | and now we had ability to do it | 14:05 |
| andreykurilin | amaretskiy: yes, we had such validator | 14:05 |
| andreykurilin | but why we need it now? | 14:05 |
| andreykurilin | we can move all requirements to our main requirements.txt | 14:05 |
| rvasilets_ | I don't know why we have it for now | 14:05 |
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| rvasilets_ | and why we can't to have only requirements file | 14:06 |
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| andreykurilin | so I propose to do 2 things | 14:06 |
| andreykurilin | First of all, decide what kind of packages can be added to our requirements | 14:07 |
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| andreykurilin | for example package can be added to requriements.txt if it supports py2 and py3 | 14:07 |
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| andreykurilin | and such requirements for requirements should be listed somewhere. the best place - header of requriements.txt | 14:08 |
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| andreykurilin | Ideas? | 14:08 |
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| andreykurilin | :( | 14:09 |
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| amaretskiy | #agree with note in requirements header | 14:09 |
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| rvasilets_ | Okey our constrains could be printed in any way | 14:09 |
| andreykurilin | amaretskiy: thanks :) | 14:09 |
| rvasilets_ | for example like header | 14:09 |
| andreykurilin | after we agree with "requirements for requirements", we can move to reviewing optional-requirements and move them to requirements.txt | 14:10 |
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| andreykurilin | I will propose a patch soon | 14:10 |
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| rvasilets_ | what constrain do we have? - I don't simple answer. Why we can't add there all packages and as a comment write what python it maintain? | 14:10 |
| amaretskiy | it's not clear for me what we will do with some "exotic" optional requirements | 14:11 |
| andreykurilin | rvasilets_: if some specific package doesn't support for example python 3, rally will failed on py3 env(while installing rally requirements) | 14:11 |
| amaretskiy | like senlin client, etc... will we make this package mandatory by moving to requiremensts.txt ? | 14:12 |
| andreykurilin | amaretskiy: I don't think that they are exotic. if we have plugins for them in our tree - they are normal requirements | 14:12 |
| rvasilets_ | This question need some research) | 14:12 |
| rvasilets_ | What is the best practice here | 14:12 |
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| amaretskiy | just idea to discuss: how about runtime validation of required package for plugin | 14:13 |
| amaretskiy | plugins can run validation if some package (+version) is available | 14:13 |
| andreykurilin | rvasilets_: so pip support python classifiers in requirements.txt . so it is possible to mark which packages should be installed for specific python version, but plugin discovery will fail if importerror occure | 14:14 |
| andreykurilin | amaretskiy: so it is good idea | 14:14 |
| amaretskiy | the implementation is simple | 14:14 |
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| andreykurilin | amaretskiy: from another point of view, if I install some package(in our case it is rally), I do not want to install it's requirements manually, I expect that `pip install somepackage` installs everything required | 14:16 |
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| rvasilets_ | I don't want to decide during the meeting such important thing because I don't want to create my own bycicle. I'd prefer to think more or to google best practicies | 14:17 |
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| andreykurilin | rvasilets_: ok, I give you a week and we will return to this topic at the next meeting:) | 14:19 |
| andreykurilin | let's move to the next topic? | 14:19 |
| amaretskiy | okay, lets put runtime idea on a shelf | 14:19 |
| amaretskiy | but not to trashcan :) | 14:20 |
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| andreykurilin | heh | 14:20 |
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| rvasilets_ | andreykurilin, thx) | 14:21 |
| andreykurilin | move on? | 14:21 |
| rvasilets_ | yes | 14:21 |
| andreykurilin | #topic Move platform requirements from install_rally.sh to separate file | 14:21 |
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| andreykurilin | ok, I have one more topic related to requirements | 14:21 |
| rvasilets_ | You mean platform relateed requirements | 14:22 |
| andreykurilin | Currently our install_rally.sh script has several lists of packages need for rally | 14:22 |
| rvasilets_ | like Solaris | 14:22 |
| rvasilets_ | etc | 14:22 |
| andreykurilin | example https://github.com/openstack/rally/blob/master/install_rally.sh#L282 | 14:22 |
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| amaretskiy | why is install_rally.sh a bad place? | 14:23 |
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| andreykurilin | amaretskiy: because there is better way | 14:23 |
| andreykurilin | OpenStack-infra team provided new tool for package requriements | 14:23 |
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| andreykurilin | and it is possible to list all requirements in separate file | 14:23 |
| rvasilets_ | andreykurilin, Yes this would be nice to add platform related files if we want to support different platforms | 14:23 |
| andreykurilin | like https://github.com/openstack/python-novaclient/blob/fe1fd3321bce29f283e010db90423ddcd7d4f7fd/other-requirements.txt | 14:23 |
| rvasilets_ | this more OOP=) style | 14:24 |
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| rvasilets_ | I'm definetely for approach used in novaclient | 14:24 |
| andreykurilin | rvasilets_: it is used in most of openstack projects now:) | 14:25 |
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| rvasilets_ | okey) | 14:25 |
| andreykurilin | amaretskiy: your ideas ? | 14:25 |
| amaretskiy | #agree to move platform requirements to other-requirements.txt !!! | 14:25 |
| andreykurilin | nice:) | 14:26 |
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| amaretskiy | i like this | 14:26 |
| andreykurilin | :) | 14:26 |
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| andreykurilin | so we can move to next topic | 14:26 |
| andreykurilin | #topic [andreykurilin] get rid of jsonschema where it is possible | 14:26 |
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| andreykurilin | - it is easy to write wrong jsonschema which will work for wrong json (we had broken schema for ExistingCloud for long time) | 14:26 |
| amaretskiy | #superagree :) | 14:26 |
| andreykurilin | - there is no way to display jsonschema in user-friendly way | 14:26 |
| andreykurilin | - there is no good way to leave comments/descriptions in jsonschema | 14:27 |
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| andreykurilin | I decided to start this topic after discussion about parameters of our contexts | 14:27 |
| amaretskiy | however sometimes we have to do complicated validation | 14:27 |
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| amaretskiy | i think we could write own simple validator, not so powerful as jsonschema, but faster | 14:28 |
| andreykurilin | +1 | 14:28 |
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| andreykurilin | also, there are a lot of places when we have simple validation of parameters | 14:28 |
| rvasilets_ | andreykurilin, I'm working on it under validator topic | 14:28 |
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| andreykurilin | I have one example where jsonschema validator is redundant | 14:29 |
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| andreykurilin | contexts | 14:29 |
| rvasilets_ | what do you suggest to use instead? | 14:29 |
| andreykurilin | jsonschema is used there for validation of input arguments | 14:29 |
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| andreykurilin | rvasilets_: we can validate input arguments as it done for scenarios | 14:30 |
| rvasilets_ | not strictly for input arguments but also for checking the format of proper context dection | 14:30 |
| rvasilets_ | section* | 14:30 |
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| andreykurilin | rvasilets_: so I did not say that we should not use jsonchema at all :) | 14:31 |
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| andreykurilin | I said that we should not use it whatever it possible like it done in current code | 14:31 |
| rvasilets_ | this will be possible after validator plugin base will be introduced | 14:31 |
| andreykurilin | rvasilers_: I doesn't depend on validation plugin base. we can start refactoring some places even now. we don't have complex jsonschemas for contexts | 14:33 |
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| andreykurilin | rvasilets_: but I agree that new validators will allow to build better validation | 14:33 |
| andreykurilin | *better validation for contexts too | 14:33 |
| rvasilets_ | We can't add new validators for context because it make more work for me then | 14:33 |
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| andreykurilin | rvasilets_: we do not need to add new validators for context:) | 14:34 |
| andreykurilin | we can use things which are already in our code | 14:34 |
| rvasilets_ | ...interesting))) | 14:34 |
| andreykurilin | https://github.com/openstack/rally/blob/master/rally/task/scenario.py#L138-L166 | 14:35 |
| andreykurilin | this one | 14:35 |
| andreykurilin | this code checks that all scenario arguments specified in correct way | 14:35 |
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| andreykurilin | it equals to what we do with jsonchema in contexts | 14:35 |
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| rvasilets_ | I guessalmost everything that have substring validation or validator in our code should be moved under plugin base | 14:36 |
| rvasilets_ | substring in the name* | 14:36 |
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| andreykurilin | rvasilets_: yes. but we can reuse now what we already have) | 14:37 |
| andreykurilin | until we started refactoring such peaces | 14:37 |
| rvasilets_ | this will add extra work | 14:37 |
| rvasilets_ | Why we can't add it later | 14:37 |
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| rvasilets_ | also this is work item that was told by Boris to me. To avoid usage of jsonschema | 14:38 |
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| andreykurilin | rvasilets_: for example because we need to list contexts parameters at http://rally.readthedocs.io/en/latest/plugin/plugin_reference.html . Users are need to read the code to know what parameters should be specified for specific context | 14:38 |
| andreykurilin | it is bad user-experience | 14:39 |
| rvasilets_ | Also this is logical to refactor validation after big validator change would be merged | 14:39 |
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| andreykurilin | rvasilets_: based on my previous experience, the process of merge some big refactoring is too long and can take years... | 14:40 |
| rvasilets_ | Such bad-experience we could avoid by simply add schema field to the docs | 14:40 |
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| andreykurilin | rvasilets_: it is impossible to add comments to schema | 14:40 |
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| andreykurilin | and schema can not be displayed in user-friednly way | 14:40 |
| andreykurilin | rvasilets_: btw, I had such patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/327592/ | 14:41 |
| rvasilets_ | why we need to add comment to schema? | 14:41 |
| andreykurilin | rvasilets_: because we need to discribe what parameter foo means | 14:41 |
| andreykurilin | for example - https://github.com/openstack/rally/blob/master/rally/plugins/openstack/context/manila/manila_share_networks.py#L40-L68 | 14:42 |
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| andreykurilin | rvasilets_: ok, could you give me any ETA for finishing(patches on review) ability to use validators for contexts ? | 14:43 |
| rvasilets_ | Okey we could add additional fields into schema or to wait validators. Also I guess that error msg after wrong format of context schema should help user to understand what format they can write | 14:43 |
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| andreykurilin | rvasilets_: additional fields will make schema more huge and unreadable | 14:45 |
| rvasilets_ | for developers | 14:45 |
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| andreykurilin | no, developers know jsonchema and can read it. jsonchema is not end-user thing :) | 14:45 |
| andreykurilin | rvasilets_: so what about eta for validator refactoring? | 14:46 |
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| rvasilets_ | ETA - this is one of the most important feature that is in progress for now. And I can tell that ready for review patches will be in the nearest month then it depends from reviewers how quick it would be | 14:47 |
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| andreykurilin | rvasilets_: ok, lets wait one month. | 14:48 |
| andreykurilin | anything else to discuss? | 14:49 |
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| rvasilets_ | Nothing from me | 14:49 |
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| andreykurilin | amaretskiy? | 14:50 |
| amaretskiy | nothing from me but REVIEW THE RAAS, finally!!! | 14:51 |
| rvasilets_ | scary) | 14:51 |
| andreykurilin | heh | 14:51 |
| andreykurilin | ok | 14:52 |
| andreykurilin | let's finish | 14:52 |
| rvasilets_ | agree | 14:52 |
| andreykurilin | #endmeeting | 14:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 15 14:52:47 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2016/rally.2016-08-15-14.00.html | 14:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2016/rally.2016-08-15-14.00.txt | 14:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2016/rally.2016-08-15-14.00.log.html | 14:52 |
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| anteaya | #startmeeting third-party | 15:11 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 15 15:11:40 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:11 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 15:11 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 15:11 |
| anteaya | sorry for being late | 15:11 |
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| anteaya | I was looking at the time and thought, sure I have time to look at just this one patch | 15:12 |
| anteaya | sorry sorry | 15:12 |
| asselin | good morning | 15:12 |
| anteaya | anyone want to talk about third party things? | 15:12 |
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| anteaya | morning asselin | 15:12 |
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| anteaya | thanks for getting my attention lennyb :) | 15:13 |
| lennyb | yeap, is someone is cjecking stable/mitaka ? I have some issues | 15:13 |
| anteaya | what issues? | 15:13 |
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| lennyb | #link http://paste.openstack.org/show/557586/ | 15:14 |
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| anteaya | is this a log from a failed job? | 15:15 |
| lennyb | full log #link http://13.69.151.247/Nova-ML2-Sriov/5408_cloudx-23/console.html.gz | 15:15 |
| lennyb | anteaya: yeap | 15:16 |
| anteaya | looks like it was running tempest? | 15:16 |
| anteaya | that is a large log | 15:17 |
| lennyb | anteaya: yeap #link http://13.69.151.247/Nova-ML2-Sriov/5408_cloudx-23/testr_results.html.gz | 15:17 |
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| anteaya | my browser is doing strange things | 15:18 |
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| lennyb | it looks like urrlib3 issue. I've got some tips from wznoinsk, but did not have time to review them. it was not working from the first run #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/352884/ | 15:19 |
| anteaya | firefox is just showing me the content of the tab on either side of that log, rather than the log | 15:19 |
| anteaya | I've never seen that before | 15:19 |
| lennyb | anteaya: surprise :) | 15:19 |
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| anteaya | every day is a brand new day | 15:19 |
| lennyb | anteaya: tempest results show same error , dont need to open console | 15:20 |
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| anteaya | thanks | 15:20 |
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| anteaya | are the cis that are passing on that patch running that same test? | 15:20 |
| anteaya | or are they skipping it? | 15:20 |
| lennyb | I made a workaround with updating urllib3 after installing devstack but this is not a good workaround | 15:21 |
| lennyb | wznoinsk said he had the same key error, not sure about the test | 15:21 |
| * lennyb cheking | 15:21 | |
| anteaya | I'm curious as to why your ci is failing as are two others yet 3 are passing | 15:22 |
| lennyb | anteaya: thier test was skipped #link http://intel-openstack-ci-logs.ovh/84/352884/1/check/tempest-dsvm-full-nfv/73758e9/testr_results.html.gz | 15:23 |
| anteaya | okay | 15:23 |
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| anteaya | so the passing systems are passing because they are not running that test? | 15:24 |
| anteaya | and the failing systems are all failing on that test? | 15:24 |
| anteaya | is that an accurate conclusion? | 15:24 |
| lennyb | tempest.scenario.test_network_basic_ops/me cheking. slow connection | 15:25 |
| anteaya | yup | 15:25 |
| anteaya | but if you can confirm the cis that are passing are not running the test, and the cis that are failing are all failing on that test, that is information worth sharing to both the nova and qa teams | 15:26 |
| anteaya | in my opinion | 15:26 |
| anteaya | and that would be the ci systems working as expected | 15:26 |
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| lennyb | anteaya: ok. | 15:27 |
| anteaya | would you agree? | 15:27 |
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| lennyb | anteaya:yep, I will recheck it and share the info. | 15:28 |
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| lennyb | Is anaone here runs a daily runon all stable branches | 15:29 |
| lennyb | ? | 15:29 |
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| anteaya | wonderful thank you, and good find | 15:29 |
| anteaya | you might want to ask that some question on the mailing list | 15:29 |
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| anteaya | there might be third party ci operators that do but aren't in this meeting | 15:30 |
| lennyb | sure | 15:30 |
| anteaya | thanks | 15:30 |
| anteaya | and good work here | 15:30 |
| lennyb | 10x | 15:30 |
| anteaya | nicely done mellanox team | 15:31 |
| anteaya | yeah, that log was so long | 15:31 |
| anteaya | my browser just gave up | 15:31 |
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| anteaya | and rendered content from its neighbouring tab | 15:31 |
| anteaya | that's a new one for me | 15:31 |
| anteaya | any more on this topic? | 15:32 |
| * lennyb done with the opic | 15:32 | |
| anteaya | thank you | 15:32 |
| anteaya | does anyone have anything else they would like to discuss today? | 15:33 |
| lennyb | yeap | 15:33 |
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| anteaya | go ahead | 15:33 |
| lennyb | what is the best approach to set node lables if I have different jobs that can run on different nics/networks? | 15:34 |
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| anteaya | have you taken a look at what infra does? | 15:35 |
| lennyb | nope | 15:35 |
| anteaya | in project-config/jenkins/jobs/projects.yaml | 15:35 |
| anteaya | and zuul/layout.yaml | 15:35 |
| lennyb | thanks, will check it | 15:36 |
| anteaya | take a look at how centos ubuntu and xenial get set | 15:36 |
| anteaya | then have a chat with folks working on zuul v3 | 15:36 |
| anteaya | as I think node label yaml might be changing | 15:36 |
| anteaya | but get a sense of what infra is doing currently first | 15:36 |
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| anteaya | anyone else have any thoughts in response to this question? | 15:37 |
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| anteaya | any more on this topic? | 15:38 |
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| * lennyb done | 15:39 | |
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| anteaya | thank you lennyb | 15:40 |
| anteaya | is there any other topic anyone would like to discuss | 15:41 |
| wznoinsk | nothing from me | 15:42 |
| anteaya | thank you | 15:43 |
| anteaya | any objection to me closing the meeting? | 15:43 |
| anteaya | thank you all for attending | 15:44 |
| anteaya | see you all next week | 15:44 |
| anteaya | #endmeeting | 15:44 |
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| ddeja | #startmeeting mistral | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 15 16:00:11 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ddeja. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: mistral)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mistral' | 16:00 |
| ddeja | hello | 16:00 |
| d0ugal | Hey! | 16:00 |
| jpeeler | hi | 16:00 |
| mgershen | Hi | 16:00 |
| rrecio_ | hello | 16:00 |
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| ddeja | I guess that's everybody... let's start | 16:01 |
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| ddeja | we can skip action items - both were on Renat, and hi's unable to join | 16:02 |
| ddeja | #topic Current status (progress, issues, roadblocks, further plans) | 16:02 |
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| ddeja | team, please share your statuses | 16:02 |
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| jpeeler | i updated my client caching patch on friday. was hoping the latest update would be agreeable. | 16:03 |
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| d0ugal | I've not had much time for Mistral this last week - still heavily working on using Mistral in tripleo | 16:04 |
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| rbrady | status for custom-actions-api: I received feedback from d0ugal and rakhmerov, I'm updating the patch that's proposed and adding tests | 16:04 |
| ddeja | My status: fixing bugs related alternative RPC layer and doing reviews. This week I would like to taka a look on policy engine to find out if it is posibble to automatically stop workflow 'A' when workflow 'B' starts | 16:04 |
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| mgershen | I have some code to push to rally. I need to find time to start the process of adding it. it will allow us to pass a WB with a name of one of the workflows inside it and that workflow will be executed. | 16:05 |
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| ddeja | OK, thank you all for update | 16:06 |
| ddeja | #topic Open discussion | 16:06 |
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| ddeja | I have nothing, so if it is anything you would like to discuss, please share | 16:07 |
| ddeja | otherwise, we can end very early ;) | 16:07 |
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| rbrady | nothing from me | 16:08 |
| d0ugal | hah, nothing from me | 16:08 |
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| mgershen | I'm good. | 16:08 |
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| d0ugal | Actually, just a question. When do we normally hear about Mistral summit sessions? | 16:08 |
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| ddeja | d0ugal: before the Austin summit it was about 30 days before if I remember correctly | 16:09 |
| d0ugal | ddeja: k, thanks - so not for a while yet. | 16:09 |
| ddeja | d0ugal: yes | 16:09 |
| d0ugal | I have booked my travel now :) | 16:09 |
| mgershen | I think so too. It was after M-3 | 16:09 |
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| ddeja | on last summit it was very "open" - about 4h straight to discuss everything | 16:10 |
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| ddeja | without some fixed items like on nova or neutron meetings | 16:10 |
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| ddeja | but yes, it is still time before the time or agenda would be released | 16:11 |
| d0ugal | okay, cool - thanks :) | 16:11 |
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| ddeja | ok, I'll count to ten and then end the meeting | 16:12 |
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| ddeja | OK, thank you all for updates and see you next week | 16:13 |
| ddeja | bye :) | 16:13 |
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| ddeja | #endmeeting | 16:13 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 15 16:13:48 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:13 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2016/mistral.2016-08-15-16.00.html | 16:13 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2016/mistral.2016-08-15-16.00.txt | 16:13 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2016/mistral.2016-08-15-16.00.log.html | 16:13 |
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| matjazp | #startmeeting training-guides | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 15 17:00:26 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is matjazp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_guides' | 17:00 |
| matjazp | anyone here for the Training guides meeting? | 17:00 |
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| mrmartin | o/ | 17:01 |
| matjazp | hi Marton | 17:01 |
| ildikov | o/ | 17:01 |
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| mrmartin | hi | 17:01 |
| matjazp | hi Ildiko | 17:01 |
| ildikov | I have another one in parallel with this, but trying to convince folks to facilitate and I'll read later :) | 17:01 |
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| mrmartin | do we have an agenda? | 17:02 |
| ildikov | hi :) | 17:02 |
| matjazp | ildikov: ok | 17:02 |
| matjazp | mrmartin: yes | 17:02 |
| matjazp | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/training-guides-meeting-agenda | 17:02 |
| matjazp | besides usual stuff, I think we shoud focus on Upstream training | 17:03 |
| matjazp | #topic Upstream training | 17:03 |
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| matjazp | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/upstream-university-improvements | 17:03 |
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| ildikov | Thanks, I was just about to copy it in :) | 17:03 |
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| ildikov | There are plans for both content and tooling | 17:03 |
| mrmartin | let's focus on content first | 17:04 |
| ildikov | I think content is more relevant for this meeting, but if anyone wants to help out with tooling that would also be great | 17:04 |
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| matjazp | content: we should reuse as much as we can | 17:05 |
| mrmartin | so we like to rebuild the content for the training, as the existing one is great, but have some limitations | 17:05 |
| mrmartin | and as I understand also the format will change a bit. | 17:05 |
| matjazp | sure, but we need to get some more contributors | 17:06 |
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| mrmartin | I'll ask Mark whether he can join this meeting or not, he also offered some help in Budapest and Austin | 17:07 |
| matjazp | mrmartin: ok.. If we don't get some more hands on this, I'm afraid that the bigger restructuring will be too much for us | 17:08 |
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| mrmartin | yeah, I have the same feelings, so I suggest to do a bit more promotion for this effort as a no.1 step. | 17:09 |
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| kmARC | (sorry guys, I'm here too o/ ) | 17:09 |
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| matjazp | ok. mails on the MLs, personal contacts, anyhing else? | 17:09 |
| mrmartin | cool | 17:09 |
| ildikov | matjazp: there are a few names on the etherpad, we should get them help out | 17:10 |
| ildikov | kmARC: hi :) | 17:10 |
| matjazp | ildikov: yes, but if you look at the tasks for this, it isquite a lot of work | 17:10 |
| matjazp | kmARC: hi | 17:10 |
| ildikov | matjazp: I think the final goal should be to revitalise the training, but do it step-by-step, so reuse and change the current content, where we can | 17:11 |
| ildikov | matjazp: I agree, it' s alot of work | 17:11 |
| matjazp | ildikov: exactly. Maybe we should identify the biggest pain points | 17:11 |
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| mrmartin | and also would be great to do a timing / schedule based on the new format | 17:11 |
| matjazp | ildikov: I'm afraid we can't do them all in 2 months | 17:11 |
| ildikov | matjazp: with mrmartin we were also thinking about doing a content sprint, a remote one if we can get people | 17:12 |
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| matjazp | ildikov: that could help | 17:12 |
| mrmartin | yeah, and we are working on backing the training with some cloud instances, se we need to do the proper tooling for that also. | 17:12 |
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| matjazp | so I guess we should prioritise tasks | 17:13 |
| ildikov | I hope kmARC can help out with this part ^^ :) | 17:13 |
| mrmartin | I can imagine it will be a transition that won't be 100% ready for Barcelona. | 17:14 |
| mrmartin | But we can setup the new foundations. | 17:14 |
| matjazp | mrmartin: there were some offers at the user-committee ML for the hackatons, maybe we could "reuse" those | 17:14 |
| ildikov | mrmartin: yeap, that's why we would need to go step-by-step, to still have every bit covered we would like to use on the training | 17:14 |
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| kmARC | so I'm happy to prticipate in any task that makes the slide deck better :) | 17:15 |
| ildikov | matjazp: offers regarding tooling or? | 17:15 |
| matjazp | ildikov: VMs | 17:15 |
| kmARC | Also IBM Zurich Research lab can provide VM's to run devstack in them, if wanted. Mike Perez told us we should contact Dreamhost about it | 17:15 |
| matjazp | ildikov: for hackaton participants | 17:15 |
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| ildikov | matjazp: we can get access from DreamHost it seems, so VMs are fine, we need someone who sets them up properly | 17:16 |
| ildikov | kmARC: ^^ | 17:16 |
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| mrmartin | yeah, but we can work on this tooling, boot scripts, ansible anything. | 17:16 |
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| matjazp | ok, but up untill now, installing devstack was part of the training | 17:16 |
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| kmARC | and it was always a failure | 17:17 |
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| matjazp | already intalled VMs were more or less the plan B, if local install didn't work | 17:17 |
| kmARC | so we agreed that we should preinstall somehow | 17:17 |
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| ildikov | matjazp: we still have the material and we can keep the current version and use if someone wants guidance still | 17:17 |
| ildikov | matjazp: and focus on the content for collaboration for now and update the Devstack parts if we have time | 17:18 |
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| matjazp | ildikov: or use what Ian suggested: a separate task, before the training | 17:18 |
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| ildikov | matjazp: you mean as a prerequisite? | 17:18 |
| matjazp | ildikov: yes, but use VMs as pla b | 17:19 |
| matjazp | plan B | 17:19 |
| kmARC | I disagree | 17:19 |
| mrmartin | disagree with what? | 17:20 |
| kmARC | sorry, but it was _every time_ so painful, that basically what they "LEARNED", is how to issue that two commands that starts setting up devstack, and then an hour of useless waiting because of unreachable git servers, broken internet connections, etc. etc. | 17:20 |
| kmARC | I think the preset VMs should be plan A | 17:20 |
| mrmartin | oh ok, the bad news, that we cannot provide images actually for the cloud, so it means that someone need to run the boot scripts | 17:20 |
| kmARC | I have preset Virtualbox ova's | 17:21 |
| matjazp | ok, we could switch plans: VMs as plan A, local devstack install as a optional install, BEFORE the main training begins | 17:21 |
| kmARC | https://github.com/kmARC/openstack-training-virtual-environment | 17:21 |
| kmARC | it creates an ova in like 30 minutes, devstack preinstalled. | 17:21 |
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| kmARC | we hand out the ovas, and in 3minutes everyone has a ready set up vm with GUI, editors, git, git-review, etc. | 17:22 |
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| kmARC | I did this script a couple months ago, as a PoC, if needed, during the week I'll provide some screenshots, etc. | 17:22 |
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| mrmartin | if they have a properly setup vbox with proper network settings | 17:22 |
| kmARC | the ova configures the networks too | 17:22 |
| kmARC | so it is literally just a virtualbox. And then it runs on windows, mac, etc. | 17:23 |
| kmARC | as a prerequisite, we can tell the audience that when they come they should have virtualbox preinstalled | 17:23 |
| mrmartin | ok, this was one thing. as I remember a lot of people had issues with keys and CLA | 17:23 |
| mrmartin | :) | 17:23 |
| kmARC | it's way more than anythng what we already had | 17:24 |
| kmARC | way more | 17:24 |
| matjazp | kmARC: in this case, we don't need cloud VMs | 17:24 |
| kmARC | I don't think so either | 17:24 |
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| kmARC | Please, remember again: Everytime, almost the first day is gone, when 1/3 of people don't even have a dev environment set up yet | 17:24 |
| matjazp | what are they using in hackatons? | 17:25 |
| mrmartin | ok, but if we are doing that way, we need to add this setup into the pre-training tasks, and mentors need to check that everyone have everything well prepared. | 17:25 |
| kmARC | nope, they just need to have virtualbox. that's all | 17:25 |
| kmARC | nothing else. | 17:25 |
| kmARC | everything else will be in the vm, configured by the ova | 17:25 |
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| kmARC | I'll come up with some screenies during the week (sorry for seeming to be offline so far, I'm in the middle of moving to new apartment, etc.) | 17:26 |
| ildikov | can this script be adapted to run on cloud VMs? | 17:26 |
| kmARC | yes | 17:27 |
| kmARC | altho half of it wouldn't make much sense, because it also sets up a GUI with X11 and XFCE (configured to look like windows xp sort of) | 17:27 |
| kmARC | https://github.com/kmARC/openstack-training-virtual-environment/blob/master/install-base.sh | 17:28 |
| mrmartin | cool | 17:28 |
| matjazp | this still installs everything from the internet? | 17:28 |
| kmARC | https://github.com/kmARC/openstack-training-virtual-environment/blob/master/install-devstack.sh | 17:28 |
| mrmartin | anyway I don't care who is using the local vm and the remote cloud until they have a working environment for the training | 17:28 |
| kmARC | so what it does, it installs everything from the internet, and packages an ova file. Before the training, we build the ova file at home, with fast internet, and on the training we only hand over the prebuilt ova | 17:28 |
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| kmARC | matjazp: ^^ | 17:29 |
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| matjazp | kmARC: aha, ok, so internet connection can be crappy at the venue | 17:29 |
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| kmARC | please read it again what I wrote. They don't need internet, they will have the prebuilt ova | 17:29 |
| mrmartin | some guys have issues with compatible wifi cards in their notebooks | 17:30 |
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| matjazp | kmARC: sure they do, for the training itself, not for devstack | 17:30 |
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| kmARC | ah okay. Yeah, but for browsing, internet is fine. Downloading gigs of data is not. That's why upstream training always sucked, because we demanded them to still download it... :-) | 17:31 |
| mrmartin | ok, but it means, we can even hands on copies on usb drives for people who failed to install. | 17:31 |
| kmARC | so what's the better, having different setups or just give out the ovas to EVERYONE so they have a standardized env | 17:31 |
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| matjazp | standardized | 17:32 |
| kmARC | exactly | 17:32 |
| matjazp | its so much esier on all the traineirs | 17:32 |
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| ildikov | nice :) | 17:33 |
| ildikov | my only question is whether we still need/want the cloud VMs? | 17:33 |
| mrmartin | what are the requirements for this ova? | 17:33 |
| mrmartin | disk space, memory, etc? | 17:33 |
| ildikov | as I need to sync up with people based on how we plan to organize the training | 17:33 |
| kmARC | the only caveat what I could see two months ago is that devstack removed "rejoin-stack.sh" which means, that after reboot they need to do a "stack.sh" which tries to update the git repos, but at least doesn't download EVERYTHING again | 17:33 |
| matjazp | mrmartin: there will ALWAYS be someone where this won't work, they can switch to cloud VMs | 17:33 |
| ildikov | maybe it's still fine as a backup, I don't know whether everyone's laptop is fine for running a Devstack VM on it | 17:34 |
| kmARC | requirements are here: https://github.com/kmARC/openstack-training-virtual-environment/blob/master/Vagrantfile | 17:34 |
| kmARC | 2 vcpus, 4G RAM for the VM | 17:34 |
| mrmartin | disk space? | 17:34 |
| mrmartin | 10G? | 17:34 |
| kmARC | so basically on a recent machine it should work | 17:34 |
| ildikov | kmARC: rejoin-stack.sh never really worked | 17:34 |
| kmARC | oh yes, regarding disk space the base system is around 800M, and devstack is another 2G | 17:35 |
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| mrmartin | would we like to keep the vm option for those who don't have a proper computer? | 17:35 |
| matjazp | ok, so to summarize: we prefer local standard precreated VMs, cloud VMs as a backup | 17:36 |
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| kmARC | sure | 17:36 |
| mrmartin | great | 17:36 |
| matjazp | #info we prefer local standard precreated VMs, cloud VMs as a backup | 17:37 |
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| ildikov | ok, then we will keep the offer as an option and let people know they have options to choose from | 17:37 |
| matjazp | who was talking about donating some cloud VMs? | 17:37 |
| kmARC | me | 17:37 |
| mrmartin | Dreamhost | 17:37 |
| mrmartin | and IBM Zurich | 17:37 |
| matjazp | excelent | 17:37 |
| ildikov | matjazp: I talked to DreamHost last week | 17:37 |
| mrmartin | ildikov do we know about anyone else? | 17:37 |
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| ildikov | matjazp: and we have kmARC from IBM | 17:38 |
| matjazp | so waht are we talking about? max 20 VMs? | 17:38 |
| ildikov | mrmartin: you mean provider who would offer access? | 17:38 |
| mrmartin | yeap | 17:38 |
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| ildikov | mrmartin: not for this upstream training | 17:38 |
| mrmartin | ok, no problem, they will join later | 17:38 |
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| ildikov | matjazp: I didn't get a maximum number, will double check it later | 17:39 |
| matjazp | ildikov: Dreamhost offered for the next training, not this in Barcelona? | 17:39 |
| mrmartin | for this one | 17:39 |
| ildikov | mrmartin: but if we want to keep it as a backup option then I'll not sweat much on it now | 17:39 |
| ildikov | matjazp: for Barcelona | 17:40 |
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| mrmartin | let's see how can we adapt kmARC's vagrant there | 17:40 |
| matjazp | ildikov: ok, I'll pust an action for you | 17:40 |
| matjazp | #action ildikov checks at Dreamhost for VMs for Barcelona | 17:40 |
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| matjazp | #action all: check https://github.com/kmARC/openstack-training-virtual-environment if it is ok for our purpose | 17:41 |
| matjazp | that ok with all? | 17:42 |
| mrmartin | as I remember for previous events, people with cloud access have issues not just with launching the instance, but some pre-configuration steps were also required there, like key upload, security group settings. | 17:42 |
| kmARC | matjazp ^^ gimme another three days, check it out on saturday, I'll shape it up until then | 17:42 |
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| matjazp | kmARC: sure, you want rollback for the action item? | 17:42 |
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| kmARC | no it's fine. I think all of us who is concerned now knows :) | 17:44 |
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| matjazp | ok | 17:44 |
| ildikov | mrmartin: yeap, there are a few steps, DreamHost can add instructions it's another question how much we can get people to do that prior to the training... | 17:44 |
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| matjazp | ildikov: we could automate it | 17:44 |
| mrmartin | requires a guide and some script | 17:44 |
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| mrmartin | it is usually straightforward with OSX and Linux machines, but we need to care the Windows users too | 17:45 |
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| mrmartin | key handling is not so trivial there | 17:45 |
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| clarkb | also dreamhost won't boot ova's iirc they need raw images | 17:45 |
| matjazp | mrmartin: maybe we should tell Windws users to use cloud VMs | 17:46 |
| ildikov | matjazp: sure | 17:46 |
| kmARC | clarkb sure, but I have the install scriot, which is a bash script | 17:46 |
| kmARC | ahh | 17:46 |
| mrmartin | even they are using cloud vm-s they need to ssh in somehow | 17:46 |
| kmARC | noone needs to use the cloud vms | 17:46 |
| kmARC | because in the ova, there will be linux | 17:46 |
| kmARC | and from the vbox machine they can ssh anywhere | 17:46 |
| ildikov | mrmartin: yeap, it's ssh with keys | 17:46 |
| kmARC | and we can put the ~/.ssh in a shared folder with the host | 17:47 |
| matjazp | mrmartin: yes, but if they install git, they have ssh there too | 17:47 |
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| kmARC | so even if they delete their vm's the keys will stay | 17:47 |
| mrmartin | we need to find someone who have windows and can test / write this guide | 17:48 |
| kmARC | you mean what guide? | 17:48 |
| matjazp | how many were there with Win laptops? | 17:49 |
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| kmARC | a lot... -.- | 17:49 |
| mrmartin | enterprise users mostly | 17:49 |
| ildikov | we have 11 minutes left from today | 17:49 |
| matjazp | mrmartin: what kmARC is saying, that even Win users will use Linux in their local VMs | 17:49 |
| ildikov | I meeting the meeting time :) | 17:49 |
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| matjazp | ildikov: true | 17:50 |
| matjazp | lets move on to the conetnt | 17:50 |
| ildikov | so I think we could figure out the tooling details offline | 17:50 |
| ildikov | and spend some time with how to shape the content | 17:50 |
| mrmartin | do we have 10minutes left? | 17:50 |
| kmARC | yes | 17:50 |
| matjazp | we should match the existing content to the bullets in the etherpad | 17:50 |
| matjazp | there are some pointers there already | 17:51 |
| matjazp | maybe we can put links to the existing slides/pages | 17:51 |
| matjazp | so we can see what needs to be developed from scratch | 17:51 |
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| matjazp | I also suggest to at least now we use the same process/tools as we do now, we can massmigrate slides to something else later | 17:52 |
| mrmartin | and would be great assign timing for those | 17:52 |
| kmARC | matjazp: my original idea regarding this was that we should have _ONE_ and only pdf with proper sections, chapters etc. so that they can download it and always jump to the page what's being discussed. It was a PITA when they needed to go to like 6/7 different presentations | 17:52 |
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| matjazp | big chunk of work are also excercises | 17:53 |
| matjazp | kmARC: we have the landing page already? | 17:53 |
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| matjazp | kmARC: with links to everything | 17:53 |
| matjazp | http://docs.openstack.org/upstream-training/upstream-details.html | 17:54 |
| matjazp | we can update this | 17:54 |
| ildikov | matjazp: we can think about having more exercises rather than lecture for the hands-on parts | 17:54 |
| ildikov | matjazp: so less burden with writing up material | 17:54 |
| kmARC | yeah, unfortunately this is a broken concept. I mean, the links. Everythime we start discussing some topics, and after like 5 minutes half of the audience will ust ask which exactly is the pdf being on the beamer | 17:55 |
| matjazp | ildikov: I agree, and we can put those exercises in the landing page, as is the case for installing git | 17:55 |
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| ildikov | matjazp: yeap | 17:56 |
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| matjazp | kmARC: so what are you suggesting is that we switch back from slides + landing pages as glue to the Docs format as other guides? | 17:57 |
| mrmartin | can we finish that until Barcelona? | 17:57 |
| matjazp | mrmartin: I dont think so | 17:57 |
| kmARC | I am open to whatever solution where we can only say: "Guys we are currently on page 32 in the slides" | 17:58 |
| ildikov | matjazp: kmARC: I think we should check what's the minimum content we need to include for each part and try to add that and remove links | 17:58 |
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| mrmartin | if we like to rebuild the doc publication tooling it means some interaction with the infra team | 17:58 |
| kmARC | ildikov: +1 agree | 17:58 |
| matjazp | kmARC: we can make a single slide deck | 17:58 |
| kmARC | yes, I think that's the most sensible | 17:58 |
| ildikov | we can add exercises to those parts as well so we can teach people how to find the info after the training | 17:58 |
| kmARC | keep it simple | 17:58 |
| matjazp | hmm.. time's almost up | 17:59 |
| mrmartin | ildikov what is the target date for the sprint? | 17:59 |
| matjazp | lets discuss this content format over Docs ML, ok? | 17:59 |
| ildikov | :( | 17:59 |
| ildikov | I would suggest to take a look at the etherpad topics and add suggestions on what we can reuse there and how much time it would require to change | 18:00 |
| matjazp | ildikov: agree | 18:00 |
| ildikov | mrmartin: I could do first/second week of September | 18:00 |
| matjazp | ok times up, se you all on ML | 18:00 |
| mrmartin | ok | 18:00 |
| matjazp | bye all, see you later | 18:00 |
| kmARC | thanks guys. bye | 18:00 |
| matjazp | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| mrmartin | we need to define the tasks | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 15 18:00:53 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| mrmartin | ok | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2016/training_guides.2016-08-15-17.00.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2016/training_guides.2016-08-15-17.00.txt | 18:00 |
| mrmartin | thnx | 18:00 |
| mrmartin | bye | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2016/training_guides.2016-08-15-17.00.log.html | 18:00 |
| ildikov | tnx! | 18:01 |
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| ryanpetrello | #startmeeting astara | 18:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 15 18:04:43 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ryanpetrello. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:04 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'astara' | 18:04 |
| ryanpetrello | o/ rods adam_g markmcclain | 18:04 |
| ryanpetrello | hey all | 18:05 |
| ryanpetrello | dunno who's around today (rods is out, it's an Italian holiday) | 18:05 |
| ryanpetrello | I'm trying to get the astara dsvm test passing again | 18:05 |
| ryanpetrello | troubleshooting locally | 18:05 |
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| ryanpetrello | sounds like nobody else is around | 18:07 |
| ryanpetrello | o/ until next week | 18:08 |
| ryanpetrello | #endmeeting | 18:08 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 15 18:08:02 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:08 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/astara/2016/astara.2016-08-15-18.04.html | 18:08 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/astara/2016/astara.2016-08-15-18.04.txt | 18:08 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/astara/2016/astara.2016-08-15-18.04.log.html | 18:08 |
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| krotscheck | #startmeeting app_ecosystem_wg | 22:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 15 22:00:20 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is krotscheck. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: app_ecosystem_wg)" | 22:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'app_ecosystem_wg' | 22:00 |
| krotscheck | #link Agenda https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/2016_Aug_15_App_Ecosystem_Workgroup | 22:00 |
| krotscheck | Hy everyone! | 22:00 |
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| Patifa | hey! | 22:00 |
| krotscheck | #chair Patifa | 22:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: Patifa krotscheck | 22:00 |
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| krotscheck | Hey there, Patifa. Know whether anyone else will be joining us? | 22:01 |
| Patifa | I'm expecting at least victor or marcela | 22:01 |
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| Patifa | Craig is on vacation | 22:01 |
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| krotscheck | Is it just me, or do we get about 1/2 the attendance on IRC as we do on the phone call? | 22:02 |
| Patifa | carolbarrett just joined | 22:02 |
| Patifa | I have a bias, for I prefer talking to typing. But you migth be right | 22:02 |
| carolbarrett | hi | 22:02 |
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| krotscheck | Hey there, carolbarrett :) | 22:03 |
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| krotscheck | ALright, well, let's get started | 22:03 |
| krotscheck | #topic Guadalajara App Hackathon | 22:03 |
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| Patifa | I'll give the update on the research. | 22:04 |
| krotscheck | ++ | 22:04 |
| Patifa | Piet and Danielle are meeting with Gonzalo and Michael about research on future hackathons. | 22:04 |
| Patifa | For guadalajara Victor, Marcela and I are going to work on a survey to the participants - about the event as well as their experience as devs using openstack | 22:05 |
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| Patifa | We should have the outline for next week | 22:05 |
| Patifa | we are also trying to have a focus group with the mentors at the event | 22:06 |
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| krotscheck | Focus group? What does that mean? | 22:06 |
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| Patifa | We are going to talk to the 6-8 mentors, during the event, possibly after coding is done and before the final result. | 22:07 |
| krotscheck | Good idea. They'll be closest to the participants to find their frustrations. | 22:07 |
| Patifa | The goal is to understand what were the major issues for the developers during the event | 22:07 |
| Patifa | and they know openstack better. So we assume they'll articulate better what the issues were | 22:07 |
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| Patifa | Blocker: spanish speaker moderator | 22:08 |
| krotscheck | Nice. | 22:08 |
| Patifa | Ideally the moderator would speak fluent spanish. :D Victor and I are working to find this person. | 22:08 |
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| Patifa | With experice moderating focus groups, fluent spanish. | 22:09 |
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| krotscheck | Both of the spanish speakers I know are going to be at the Infra/QA sprint :( | 22:09 |
| Patifa | :( | 22:09 |
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| Patifa | Everyone in Victors team will be swamped with the event | 22:10 |
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| Patifa | My spanish is good enough to order food, compliment the chef and chat about the weather | 22:10 |
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| * krotscheck 's german skills are probably not that helpful :) | 22:10 | |
| Patifa | nope, neither Portuguese ;) | 22:11 |
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| krotscheck | Next hackathon: Rio. We could use the Olympic facilities :D | 22:11 |
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| Patifa | Agreed! | 22:11 |
| krotscheck | I have no other questions, carolbarrett? | 22:12 |
| krotscheck | (Do you have any?) | 22:12 |
| * krotscheck doesn't see mbonell or victor. | 22:12 | |
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| Patifa | just pinged victor, he's in another meeting :( | 22:12 |
| krotscheck | Righto. | 22:12 |
| krotscheck | Well then, let's move on. | 22:13 |
| Patifa | Ok | 22:13 |
| krotscheck | #topic Barcelona | 22:13 |
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| krotscheck | Everything here seems to be in a holding pattern until sessions are announced. | 22:13 |
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| krotscheck | The only thing we could start working on is an agenda for the WG working session. | 22:13 |
| Patifa | Sure | 22:14 |
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| krotscheck | I'm not certain what exactly we could work on while we're there. SEtting an agenda for the Ocata cycle would probably be highest priority. | 22:15 |
| Patifa | Yep | 22:15 |
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| krotscheck | Additionally reviewing the FirstApp work, and seriously doubling down on a training strategy. | 22:15 |
| krotscheck | But I'm a little worried that there's a bit of duplication - flanders' is more or less in charge of training activities for the foundation. | 22:16 |
| krotscheck | The Hackathon group seems to have spun off into its own WG. | 22:16 |
| krotscheck | WHichh, now that I think about it, is probably a good thing. | 22:16 |
| krotscheck | (Larger efforts having dedicated teams, etc) | 22:16 |
| Patifa | I think its a good thing | 22:17 |
| krotscheck | I've got a few ideas of what could go into the Ocata cycle. Brainstorming wise, anyway (might not be sticky). | 22:17 |
| Patifa | We should have a liason in the Hackathon WG but it's good that it has become it's own WG | 22:17 |
| krotscheck | 1- developer.openstack.org | 22:18 |
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| krotscheck | That needs some work. | 22:18 |
| krotscheck | 2- More firstapp things. | 22:18 |
| krotscheck | 3- drat I just had one... | 22:18 |
| Patifa | I was hoping that the App Dev User Study results would point to gaps we could try to act on | 22:19 |
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| krotscheck | Well, the results from the hackathon research might already point us in a general direction. | 22:19 |
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| Patifa | we should have both by the summit. | 22:20 |
| krotscheck | Alternatively, piet just published the operator outreach research. | 22:20 |
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| krotscheck | #link https://youtu.be/dktorTIqU5s | 22:20 |
| Patifa | I have to have a look at this one. Although it's a different user altogether | 22:20 |
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| krotscheck | OK, so most of this should probably be on hold until we start getting some of our research results, but I'll put a note in the agenda. | 22:21 |
| Patifa | ok | 22:21 |
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| Patifa | we can still start the discussion on the mailing list, ppl may have other ideas to add to the agenda | 22:21 |
| krotscheck | Alright, mind if I get that started? | 22:21 |
| Patifa | not at all :D | 22:22 |
| krotscheck | #action krotscheck Start the discussion on Ocata priorities. | 22:22 |
| krotscheck | Alright, moving on :) | 22:22 |
| krotscheck | #topic AppDev User study | 22:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "AppDev User study (Meeting topic: app_ecosystem_wg)" | 22:22 | |
| krotscheck | carolbarrett: Any responses from Wal-mart, Cern, etc? | 22:22 |
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| krotscheck | .... | 22:23 |
| carolbarrett | not yet | 22:24 |
| Patifa | :( | 22:24 |
| krotscheck | carolbarrett: Thank you! | 22:24 |
| carolbarrett | will see both of them next week and this is on my agenda to discuss | 22:24 |
| krotscheck | Oh good. In person ++ | 22:24 |
| Patifa | yay! | 22:24 |
| krotscheck | Moving on | 22:24 |
| krotscheck | #topic Interop challenge | 22:24 |
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| krotscheck | This seems to be craig and leong, neither of which are here. | 22:25 |
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| krotscheck | Patifa, do you know of anything that needs to be mentioned here, or shall we punt this to next week? | 22:25 |
| Patifa | nor marcela. I believe we can move on | 22:25 |
| Patifa | next week | 22:25 |
| krotscheck | ok | 22:25 |
| krotscheck | #topic FirstApp Progress | 22:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "FirstApp Progress (Meeting topic: app_ecosystem_wg)" | 22:25 | |
| krotscheck | I guess I'm the only one here. | 22:26 |
| Patifa | I guess there's only u | 22:26 |
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| Patifa | shoot! | 22:26 |
| krotscheck | So, Keystone is currently under development. I'm building out version negotiation righ tnow, before setting up the various calls against the API. | 22:26 |
| krotscheck | Since this is the first API that we're building, it requires a bit of plumbing. | 22:27 |
| krotscheck | And that pluming is likely to be contorversial :) | 22:27 |
| krotscheck | However, we've got good input into the effort right now, and actual engaged developers, and real tests. | 22:27 |
| krotscheck | So overall it should proceed at a slightly faster pace than the rest of openstack. | 22:27 |
| krotscheck | I'm aiming for keystone's patches to be proposed by the end of this week. | 22:28 |
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| krotscheck | About a week of review churn after that, with a release of the SDK to follow. | 22:28 |
| krotscheck | After that, Nova. | 22:28 |
| krotscheck | That's all I got | 22:28 |
| krotscheck | Any questions? | 22:28 |
| Patifa | nope | 22:28 |
| carolbarrett | nope | 22:29 |
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| Patifa | Opens? | 22:30 |
| krotscheck | Nothing from me. | 22:30 |
| krotscheck | Moving on | 22:30 |
| krotscheck | #topic Open Discussion | 22:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: app_ecosystem_wg)" | 22:30 | |
| krotscheck | ANything? | 22:31 |
| Patifa | carolbarrett you want to add a topic to next week's meeting, right? | 22:31 |
| carolbarrett | I don't think so - I'll be out at midcyles, meetups and Days.... | 22:31 |
| carolbarrett | Won't be able to make this meeting next week | 22:31 |
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| Patifa | OpenStack App Ecosystem / Enterprise WG ISV Team Collaboration? | 22:32 |
| carolbarrett | Yes, would like to discuss that, but think it will need to wait til the 29th... OK? | 22:32 |
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| Patifa | Sure. | 22:32 |
| krotscheck | I'd like to propose that we sunset the IRC meetings in favor of phonecalls. | 22:33 |
| Patifa | I'm in favor. But we should put it to vote on the mailing list? | 22:33 |
| krotscheck | It feels like we've lost participants, without gaining much benefit. | 22:33 |
| krotscheck | I believe so. I'll put it up. | 22:34 |
| Patifa | tks | 22:34 |
| krotscheck | #action krotscheck put vote about IRC meetings onto the list. | 22:34 |
| krotscheck | carolbarrett: That'll also bring your topic up during a phone, rather than IRC, meeting. | 22:34 |
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| Patifa | sure! | 22:34 |
| carolbarrett | krotscheck: I think that will make it a better discussion | 22:35 |
| krotscheck | The 29th will actually be a pretty important one. It'll be the first meeting after sessions have been approved, and we'll have a better idea of what our representation at the summit will look like. | 22:35 |
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| carolbarrett | Good point. | 22:35 |
| carolbarrett | I don't think we'll know about WG or BoF sessions by then | 22:35 |
| Patifa | do you think it'd be good to start yout topic on the mailing list too? to attract ppl to the discussion? | 22:35 |
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| carolbarrett | patifa: I can do that, will work with Shamail Tahir to send something out next week. | 22:36 |
| carolbarrett | He's the chair of the Enterprise ISV team | 22:36 |
| Patifa | Sounds good | 22:37 |
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| Patifa | Anything else? | 22:38 |
| krotscheck | I think we're good. Short meeting :) | 22:38 |
| carolbarrett | not from me | 22:38 |
| carolbarrett | my favorite! | 22:39 |
| krotscheck | Woot! | 22:39 |
| krotscheck | Thanks everyone! | 22:39 |
| krotscheck | #endmeeting | 22:39 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 15 22:39:09 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:39 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_ecosystem_wg/2016/app_ecosystem_wg.2016-08-15-22.00.html | 22:39 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_ecosystem_wg/2016/app_ecosystem_wg.2016-08-15-22.00.txt | 22:39 |
| Patifa | bye! | 22:39 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_ecosystem_wg/2016/app_ecosystem_wg.2016-08-15-22.00.log.html | 22:39 |
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