22:00:20 <krotscheck> #startmeeting app_ecosystem_wg
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22:00:24 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'app_ecosystem_wg'
22:00:28 <krotscheck> #link Agenda https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/2016_Aug_15_App_Ecosystem_Workgroup
22:00:36 <krotscheck> Hy everyone!
22:00:55 <Patifa> hey!
22:00:58 <krotscheck> #chair Patifa
22:00:58 <openstack> Current chairs: Patifa krotscheck
22:01:23 <krotscheck> Hey there, Patifa. Know whether anyone else will be joining us?
22:01:45 <Patifa> I'm expecting at least victor or marcela
22:01:54 <Patifa> Craig is on vacation
22:02:13 <krotscheck> Is it just me, or do we get about 1/2 the attendance on IRC as we do on the phone call?
22:02:28 <Patifa> carolbarrett just joined
22:02:54 <Patifa> I have a bias, for I prefer talking to typing. But you migth be right
22:02:57 <carolbarrett> hi
22:03:30 <krotscheck> Hey there, carolbarrett :)
22:03:38 <krotscheck> ALright, well, let's get started
22:03:56 <krotscheck> #topic Guadalajara App Hackathon
22:04:14 <Patifa> I'll give the update on the research.
22:04:23 <krotscheck> ++
22:04:44 <Patifa> Piet and Danielle are meeting with Gonzalo and Michael about research on future hackathons.
22:05:30 <Patifa> For guadalajara Victor, Marcela and I are going to work on a survey to the participants - about the event as well as their experience as devs using openstack
22:05:53 <Patifa> We should have the outline for next week
22:06:13 <Patifa> we are also trying to have a focus group with the mentors at the event
22:06:31 <krotscheck> Focus group? What does that mean?
22:07:10 <Patifa> We are going to talk to the 6-8 mentors, during the event, possibly after coding is done and before the final result.
22:07:26 <krotscheck> Good idea. They'll be closest to the participants to find their frustrations.
22:07:29 <Patifa> The goal is to understand what were the major issues for the developers during the event
22:07:54 <Patifa> and they know openstack better. So we assume they'll articulate better what the issues were
22:08:11 <Patifa> Blocker: spanish speaker moderator
22:08:13 <krotscheck> Nice.
22:08:49 <Patifa> Ideally the moderator would speak fluent spanish. :D Victor and I are working to find this person.
22:09:07 <Patifa> With experice moderating focus groups, fluent spanish.
22:09:18 <krotscheck> Both of the spanish speakers I know are going to be at the Infra/QA sprint :(
22:09:29 <Patifa> :(
22:10:00 <Patifa> Everyone in Victors team will be swamped with the event
22:10:27 <Patifa> My spanish is good enough to order food, compliment the chef and chat about the weather
22:10:57 * krotscheck 's german skills are probably not that helpful :)
22:11:12 <Patifa> nope, neither Portuguese ;)
22:11:44 <krotscheck> Next hackathon: Rio. We could use the Olympic facilities :D
22:11:57 <Patifa> Agreed!
22:12:07 <krotscheck> I have no other questions, carolbarrett?
22:12:13 <krotscheck> (Do you have any?)
22:12:30 * krotscheck doesn't see mbonell or victor.
22:12:49 <Patifa> just pinged victor, he's in another meeting :(
22:12:57 <krotscheck> Righto.
22:13:02 <krotscheck> Well then, let's move on.
22:13:10 <Patifa> Ok
22:13:16 <krotscheck> #topic Barcelona
22:13:26 <krotscheck> Everything here seems to be in a holding pattern until sessions are announced.
22:13:43 <krotscheck> The only thing we could start working on is an agenda for the WG working session.
22:14:35 <Patifa> Sure
22:15:37 <krotscheck> I'm not certain what exactly we could work on while we're there. SEtting an agenda for the Ocata cycle would probably be highest priority.
22:15:50 <Patifa> Yep
22:15:59 <krotscheck> Additionally reviewing the FirstApp work, and seriously doubling down on a training strategy.
22:16:20 <krotscheck> But I'm a little worried that there's a bit of duplication - flanders' is more or less in charge of training activities for the foundation.
22:16:32 <krotscheck> The Hackathon group seems to have spun off into its own WG.
22:16:49 <krotscheck> WHichh, now that I think about it, is probably a good thing.
22:16:59 <krotscheck> (Larger efforts having dedicated teams, etc)
22:17:03 <Patifa> I think its a good thing
22:17:53 <krotscheck> I've got a few ideas of what could go into the Ocata cycle. Brainstorming wise, anyway (might not be sticky).
22:17:55 <Patifa> We should have a liason in the Hackathon WG but it's good that it has become it's own WG
22:18:00 <krotscheck> 1- developer.openstack.org
22:18:06 <krotscheck> That needs some work.
22:18:09 <krotscheck> 2- More firstapp things.
22:18:34 <krotscheck> 3- drat I just had one...
22:19:00 <Patifa> I was hoping that the App Dev User Study results would point to gaps we could try to act on
22:19:25 <krotscheck> Well, the results from the hackathon research might already point us in a general direction.
22:20:01 <Patifa> we should have both by the summit.
22:20:03 <krotscheck> Alternatively, piet just published the operator outreach research.
22:20:32 <krotscheck> #link https://youtu.be/dktorTIqU5s
22:20:55 <Patifa> I have to have a look at this one. Although it's a different user altogether
22:21:00 <krotscheck> OK, so most of this should probably be on hold until we start getting some of our research results, but I'll put a note in the agenda.
22:21:09 <Patifa> ok
22:21:43 <Patifa> we can still start the discussion on the mailing list, ppl may have other ideas to add to the agenda
22:21:54 <krotscheck> Alright, mind if I get that started?
22:22:01 <Patifa> not at all :D
22:22:09 <krotscheck> #action krotscheck Start the discussion on Ocata priorities.
22:22:18 <krotscheck> Alright, moving on :)
22:22:26 <krotscheck> #topic AppDev User study
22:22:37 <krotscheck> carolbarrett: Any responses from Wal-mart, Cern, etc?
22:23:53 <krotscheck> ....
22:24:09 <carolbarrett> not yet
22:24:24 <Patifa> :(
22:24:25 <krotscheck> carolbarrett: Thank you!
22:24:33 <carolbarrett> will see both of them next week and this is on my agenda to discuss
22:24:43 <krotscheck> Oh good. In person ++
22:24:46 <Patifa> yay!
22:24:50 <krotscheck> Moving on
22:24:57 <krotscheck> #topic Interop challenge
22:25:10 <krotscheck> This seems to be craig and leong, neither of which are here.
22:25:23 <krotscheck> Patifa, do you know of anything that needs to be mentioned here, or shall we punt this to next week?
22:25:30 <Patifa> nor marcela. I believe we can move on
22:25:40 <Patifa> next week
22:25:48 <krotscheck> ok
22:25:54 <krotscheck> #topic FirstApp Progress
22:26:09 <krotscheck> I guess I'm the only one here.
22:26:14 <Patifa> I guess there's only u
22:26:35 <Patifa> shoot!
22:26:40 <krotscheck> So, Keystone is currently under development. I'm building out version negotiation righ tnow, before setting up the various calls against the API.
22:27:00 <krotscheck> Since this is the first API that we're building, it requires a bit of plumbing.
22:27:09 <krotscheck> And that pluming is likely to be contorversial :)
22:27:37 <krotscheck> However, we've got good input into the effort right now, and actual engaged developers, and real tests.
22:27:47 <krotscheck> So overall it should proceed at a slightly faster pace than the rest of openstack.
22:28:01 <krotscheck> I'm aiming for keystone's patches to be proposed by the end of this week.
22:28:19 <krotscheck> About a week of review churn after that, with a release of the SDK to follow.
22:28:23 <krotscheck> After that, Nova.
22:28:34 <krotscheck> That's all I got
22:28:45 <krotscheck> Any questions?
22:28:54 <Patifa> nope
22:29:32 <carolbarrett> nope
22:30:26 <Patifa> Opens?
22:30:50 <krotscheck> Nothing from me.
22:30:54 <krotscheck> Moving on
22:30:55 <krotscheck> #topic Open Discussion
22:31:17 <krotscheck> ANything?
22:31:19 <Patifa> carolbarrett you want to add a topic to next week's meeting, right?
22:31:42 <carolbarrett> I don't think so - I'll be out at midcyles, meetups and Days....
22:31:52 <carolbarrett> Won't be able to make this meeting next week
22:32:16 <Patifa> OpenStack App Ecosystem / Enterprise WG ISV Team Collaboration?
22:32:51 <carolbarrett> Yes, would like to discuss that, but think it will need to wait til the 29th... OK?
22:32:58 <Patifa> Sure.
22:33:18 <krotscheck> I'd like to propose that we sunset the IRC meetings in favor of phonecalls.
22:33:46 <Patifa> I'm in favor. But we should put it to vote on the mailing list?
22:33:54 <krotscheck> It feels like we've lost participants, without gaining much benefit.
22:34:04 <krotscheck> I believe so. I'll put it up.
22:34:15 <Patifa> tks
22:34:15 <krotscheck> #action krotscheck put vote about IRC meetings onto the list.
22:34:42 <krotscheck> carolbarrett: That'll also bring your topic up during a phone, rather than IRC, meeting.
22:34:51 <Patifa> sure!
22:35:04 <carolbarrett> krotscheck: I think that will make it a better discussion
22:35:20 <krotscheck> The 29th will actually be a pretty important one. It'll be the first meeting after sessions have been approved, and we'll have a better idea of what our representation at the summit will look like.
22:35:33 <carolbarrett> Good point.
22:35:44 <carolbarrett> I don't think we'll know about WG or BoF sessions by then
22:35:52 <Patifa> do you think it'd be good to start yout topic on the mailing list too? to attract ppl to the discussion?
22:36:41 <carolbarrett> patifa: I can do that, will work with Shamail Tahir to send something out next week.
22:36:53 <carolbarrett> He's the chair of the Enterprise ISV team
22:37:06 <Patifa> Sounds good
22:38:12 <Patifa> Anything else?
22:38:54 <krotscheck> I think we're good. Short meeting :)
22:38:57 <carolbarrett> not from me
22:39:03 <carolbarrett> my favorite!
22:39:05 <krotscheck> Woot!
22:39:07 <krotscheck> Thanks everyone!
22:39:09 <krotscheck> #endmeeting