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| aspiers | hi all | 08:01 |
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| aspiers | #startmeeting ha | 08:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 1 08:01:27 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is aspiers. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ha)" | 08:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ha' | 08:01 |
| ddeja | aspiers: o/ | 08:01 |
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| aspiers | ddeja: congrats on becoming core mistral reviewer :) | 08:01 |
| aspiers | who else is here? | 08:02 |
| ddeja | aspiers: thank you :) | 08:02 |
| samp | hi | 08:02 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | hi | 08:02 |
| aspiers | hi guys :) | 08:02 |
| ddeja | aspiers: I wanted to post this, but you already knew ;) http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-August/100513.html | 08:03 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | ddeja: congrats :) | 08:03 |
| ddeja | Dinesh_Bhor: thanks :)( | 08:03 |
| ddeja | :) | 08:03 |
| aspiers | OK, let's get started | 08:03 |
| samp | ddeha: congrats...! | 08:03 |
| ddeja | samp: thank you :) | 08:04 |
| aspiers | #topic Current status (progress, issues, roadblocks, further plans) | 08:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Current status (progress, issues, roadblocks, further plans) (Meeting topic: ha)" | 08:04 | |
| aspiers | I don't have much to report this week as I was still trying to catch up with vacation backlog :-( | 08:04 |
| ddeja | aspiers: did you make it? | 08:05 |
| aspiers | not yet | 08:05 |
| aspiers | people keep giving me new responsibilities :-/ | 08:05 |
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| ddeja | aspiers: too bad :/ | 08:06 |
| aspiers | but today I will focus on finding a new meeting time so that beekhof can attend | 08:06 |
| ddeja | aspiers: +1 | 08:06 |
| aspiers | and also putting the spec I was working on into the repo | 08:06 |
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| ddeja | My status: Work on alternative RPC in mistral is almost completed - it is usable right now with rabbit. So no messages would be lost | 08:07 |
| aspiers | cool | 08:07 |
| ddeja | and therefore evacuation is more reliable now :) | 08:07 |
| samp | sorry I couldnt finish the spes...do it asap | 08:07 |
| aspiers | ddeja: sounds great | 08:07 |
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| aspiers | samp: IIRC you already drafted the specs in an etherpad / wiki somewhere? if you want I could create the gerrit review | 08:08 |
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| samp | aspiers: currently its in my local. I will push them as WIP to gerrit | 08:09 |
| aspiers | samp: ok thanks! | 08:09 |
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| aspiers | anything else to report from anyone? | 08:10 |
| aspiers | #topic Barcelona | 08:11 |
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| samp | aspiers: have you had a chance to send a mail to ask for a slot for HA in summit? | 08:11 |
| aspiers | I guess you all saw that voting is open | 08:11 |
| aspiers | samp: doh, I forgot about that :-/ I will do it now | 08:11 |
| aspiers | but I was talking with Alan Clark again (chairman of OpenStack board) | 08:11 |
| aspiers | previously he misunderstood my request for the HA track | 08:11 |
| aspiers | he thought it was for the conference, not the design summit | 08:12 |
| samp | aspiers: ah.. | 08:12 |
| aspiers | so I think he is trying again | 08:12 |
| ddeja | aspiers: :| | 08:12 |
| aspiers | but I will mail openstack-dev and openstack-operators anyway | 08:12 |
| samp | aspiers: if you can send the open request to community, then that will help me to talk with ops in NY | 08:12 |
| aspiers | samp: I will do it this morning | 08:13 |
| aspiers | before I forget again ;-/ | 08:13 |
| samp | aspiers: Thank you | 08:13 |
| ddeja | aspiers: I'll ask you if you did this after 2-3 hours :P | 08:14 |
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| aspiers | ddeja: good idea ;-) | 08:14 |
| aspiers | also please ask people to vote for our session :) https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/vote-for-speakers/ | 08:14 |
| samp | About the voting, is it valid for Barcelona? | 08:14 |
| aspiers | yes | 08:15 |
| samp | I mean there was some discussion on ML about voting. | 08:15 |
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| aspiers | oh | 08:15 |
| aspiers | you mean that old thread which Florian started? | 08:16 |
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| aspiers | or something else? | 08:16 |
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| aspiers | I can't find anything recent | 08:19 |
| samp | this is it: | 08:20 |
| samp | [openstack-community] Proposal: remove voting on speaking proposals for Barcelona Summit | 08:20 |
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| samp | Mail was May 18 by Claire Massey | 08:20 |
| * aspiers looks for the URL | 08:21 | |
| samp | https://openstack.nimeyo.com/84798/openstack-community-proposal-speaking-proposals-barcelona?start=10 | 08:21 |
| samp | is this help? | 08:22 |
| aspiers | ah yes | 08:22 |
| aspiers | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/community/2016-May/001504.html | 08:22 |
| aspiers | OK, so Florian didn't start the thread | 08:22 |
| aspiers | but he started most of the discussion | 08:22 |
| aspiers | well obviously we are still voting as before | 08:22 |
| aspiers | as you can see from https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/vote-for-speakers/ | 08:22 |
| aspiers | which is a shame | 08:22 |
| aspiers | since Florian's idea was really good | 08:23 |
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| aspiers | any other topics today? | 08:24 |
| ddeja | aspiers: I have one | 08:24 |
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| ddeja | about HA guide | 08:24 |
| aspiers | #topic HA guide | 08:24 |
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| ddeja | we were suppossed to write a kind of Note about on-going work | 08:24 |
| ddeja | since there is one month to N-3, I guess it's time to start work on it ;) | 08:25 |
| aspiers | right | 08:25 |
| aspiers | #action start documenting compute HA status quo in HA guide | 08:25 |
| aspiers | IIRC we agreed that this should contain relevant links | 08:25 |
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| aspiers | beekhof is the new maintainer, so I guess he'll appreciate any help with this :) | 08:27 |
| ddeja | It would be good to have something in review till next monday | 08:27 |
| aspiers | yup | 08:27 |
| ddeja | oh, great | 08:27 |
| ddeja | he is maintainer for HA doc? | 08:27 |
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| aspiers | ddeja: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha/2016/ha.2016-07-25-08.03.log.html#l-56 | 08:27 |
| ddeja | oh, should've read the log ;) | 08:28 |
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| aspiers | hehe | 08:28 |
| aspiers | actually there was another update from Lana | 08:29 |
| aspiers | IIRC | 08:29 |
| aspiers | I am trying to find it in my logs | 08:29 |
| aspiers | what is Lana Brindley's IRC nick? | 08:29 |
| ddeja | dunno | 08:29 |
| asettle | loquacities | 08:29 |
| * asettle is lurking | 08:29 | |
| aspiers | haha! | 08:30 |
| asettle | Although she'll most likely be in bed by now :) | 08:30 |
| aspiers | thanks | 08:30 |
| asettle | No problemo | 08:30 |
| aspiers | yes, I found it | 08:30 |
| asettle | Well, bed... she'll be off for the day :) | 08:30 |
| aspiers | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-meeting/%23openstack-meeting.2016-07-25.log.html#t2016-07-25T08:46:55 | 08:31 |
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| aspiers | now that gmane is dead, I have to learn another way of searching the various mailing list archives | 08:31 |
| aspiers | but that email must be in one of the archives somewhere | 08:32 |
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| aspiers | it's confirmed here: http://docs.openstack.org/contributor-guide/team-structure.html | 08:32 |
| ddeja | aspiers: what was that mail about? | 08:32 |
| aspiers | ddeja: about the discussion in the previous link | 08:32 |
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| ddeja | oh, ok | 08:33 |
| aspiers | ok, anything else? | 08:33 |
| ddeja | nothing from my side | 08:34 |
| samp | nothing from me | 08:34 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | me too | 08:34 |
| aspiers | ok then | 08:34 |
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| aspiers | thanks all! I will try to do a better job of following up on actions today/this week :) | 08:35 |
| samp | thank you all..! | 08:35 |
| aspiers | #endmeeting | 08:35 |
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| ddeja | thanks all | 08:35 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 1 08:35:39 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:35 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha/2016/ha.2016-08-01-08.01.html | 08:35 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha/2016/ha.2016-08-01-08.01.txt | 08:35 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha/2016/ha.2016-08-01-08.01.log.html | 08:35 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | samp: Hi, Can I have you on masakari channel ? Having some doubts. | 08:35 |
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| loquacities | aspiers: you rang? ;) | 08:58 |
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| aspiers | loquacities: I was trying to find a URL for your announcement about beekhof taking over maintenance of the HA guide | 09:01 |
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| loquacities | oh, it was on the docs ML | 09:01 |
| loquacities | did you still need the link? | 09:01 |
| aspiers | loquacities: or a good way of searching the archives ;-) http://openstack.markmail.org/ only seems to track 3 openstack lists | 09:02 |
| loquacities | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2016-July/008891.html | 09:02 |
| loquacities | http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-docs is the main page | 09:03 |
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| andreykurilin | #startmeeting | 14:03 |
| openstack | andreykurilin: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 14:03 |
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| andreykurilin | #startmeeting Rally | 14:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 1 14:03:14 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is andreykurilin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rally' | 14:03 |
| andreykurilin | o/ | 14:03 |
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| rvasilets | o? | 14:04 |
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| amaretskiy | hi | 14:05 |
| andreykurilin | hi hi | 14:05 |
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| andreykurilin | ok | 14:07 |
| andreykurilin | let's start | 14:07 |
| rvasilets | )) | 14:07 |
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| andreykurilin | #topic release news | 14:07 |
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| rvasilets | free discussion?) | 14:07 |
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| andreykurilin | Long time ago we decided to have new release each 3 weeks | 14:07 |
| andreykurilin | 2 weeks are gone from previous one:) | 14:08 |
| rvasilets | )) | 14:08 |
| andreykurilin | so next version of rally should be released next week | 14:08 |
| andreykurilin | at monday-tuesday | 14:08 |
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| andreykurilin | I'll try to publish release notes at the end of the week | 14:08 |
| rvasilets | Lets in clude Monasca in this release) | 14:09 |
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| andreykurilin | Are there any known blockers? | 14:09 |
| rvasilets | Possibly no | 14:09 |
| andreykurilin | rvasilets: it is already in merge queue | 14:09 |
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| rvasilets | Horey! | 14:09 |
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| andreykurilin | that is all from my side:) | 14:10 |
| andreykurilin | #topic Free discussion | 14:10 |
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| andreykurilin | #topic Services | 14:10 |
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| andreykurilin | I have one more topic | 14:11 |
| andreykurilin | :) | 14:11 |
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| andreykurilin | Several month ago I published implementations of "services" which should replace wrappers | 14:11 |
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| andreykurilin | implementation became huge and someone thing that it is too complicated :) | 14:12 |
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| rvasilets | Yeah | 14:12 |
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| andreykurilin | that is why noone wants to review it:) | 14:12 |
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| andreykurilin | while I thing that it is compicated since it prevents a bunch of possible issues, someone can disagree with me | 14:13 |
| andreykurilin | so | 14:13 |
| rvasilets | He will be the next after https://review.openstack.org/#/c/337115/9/rally/common/objects/credential.py for me | 14:13 |
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| rvasilets | review was blocked be Boris. Boris please review it) | 14:14 |
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| qwebirc69545 | @andreykurilin: can you again review this, please? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/329432 | 14:14 |
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| andreykurilin | ok, so let's give ability to amaretskiy to provide an alternative implementation(if he has enough time) and compare 2 impelementations next time and decide to merge one of them | 14:15 |
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| andreykurilin | qwebirc69545: added to todo-review-list | 14:15 |
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| qwebirc69545 | andreykurilin: thank you! | 14:15 |
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| amaretskiy | okay I'll try to propose some improvements | 14:16 |
| rvasilets | andreykurilin, amaretskiy could some one dociments in commit msg target schema of implementation. I remember we talked about 5 classes schema | 14:16 |
| andreykurilin | nice | 14:16 |
| rvasilets | but I forgot it( | 14:16 |
| andreykurilin | ok | 14:16 |
| andreykurilin | I'll document it | 14:16 |
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| rvasilets | Great it will speed up my review | 14:17 |
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| andreykurilin | amaretskiy: I'll separate my impelementation from your patch and will document proposed solutions. Also will wait for your impelementation. Maybe we will find compromise :) | 14:18 |
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| andreykurilin | #topic barbican | 14:18 |
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| andreykurilin | qwebirc69545: ping:) | 14:18 |
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| qwebirc69545 | yes :) | 14:18 |
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| andreykurilin | so can you propose a new job to experimental queue ? | 14:19 |
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| andreykurilin | it will simplify review process | 14:19 |
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| andreykurilin | I can find examples for you | 14:19 |
| qwebirc69545 | andreykurilin: Sure. I'll do it. I'll also upload a patch with rally-cover errors resolved, soon | 14:19 |
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| qwebirc69545 | can you point me to some, please? | 14:20 |
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| andreykurilin | sure | 14:20 |
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| andreykurilin | one sec | 14:20 |
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| andreykurilin | qwebirc69545: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/333860/ | 14:21 |
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| kavithas | @andreykurilin can you please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/337115 | 14:21 |
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| qwebirc69545 | andreykurilin: thanks! I'll upload, soon. | 14:22 |
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| rvasilets | kavithas, I'm reviewing it now | 14:22 |
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| rvasilets | Please wait a bit it hard topic | 14:22 |
| kavithas | ok.. thanks.. please let me know your comments | 14:23 |
| andreykurilin | kavithas: sure, it is already in my todo-review list | 14:23 |
| rvasilets | kavithas, I'll ping you by mail immediate | 14:23 |
| kavithas | ok.. thank you both of you :) | 14:23 |
| andreykurilin | any other topics to discuss? | 14:24 |
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| rvasilets | Nothing from me | 14:24 |
| amaretskiy | nothing from me | 14:24 |
| andreykurilin | thanks everyone for participation | 14:25 |
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| andreykurilin | bye | 14:25 |
| andreykurilin | #endmeeting | 14:25 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 1 14:25:08 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:25 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2016/rally.2016-08-01-14.03.html | 14:25 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2016/rally.2016-08-01-14.03.txt | 14:25 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2016/rally.2016-08-01-14.03.log.html | 14:25 |
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| anteaya | #startmeeting third-party | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 1 15:00:22 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 15:00 |
| asselin | o/ | 15:00 |
| anteaya | hello asselin | 15:00 |
| lennyb | hi | 15:00 |
| anteaya | how are you today? | 15:00 |
| anteaya | hey lennyb | 15:00 |
| asselin | hi anteaya lennyb | 15:00 |
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| anteaya | does anyone have anything they would like to discuss today? | 15:02 |
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| lennyb | some tempest review for multi node scenario tests#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/343294/ #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/335447/ | 15:02 |
| rhedlind | hi | 15:02 |
| anteaya | hey rhedlind | 15:02 |
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| anteaya | lennyb: have you asked anyone in the #openstack-qa channel for reviews on those patches? | 15:03 |
| lennyb | anteaya: will do | 15:03 |
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| anteaya | thanks | 15:04 |
| anteaya | since tempest is their repo | 15:04 |
| anteaya | I think having them at least okay the direction at this stage is a good idea | 15:05 |
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| anteaya | any more on lennyb's tempest patches? | 15:05 |
| lennyb | no | 15:05 |
| anteaya | okay great, thanks lennyb | 15:05 |
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| anteaya | does anyone have anything else they would like to talk about today? | 15:06 |
| rhedlind | if anyone has time to help me with a CI issue, I could use some help | 15:06 |
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| lennyb | rhedlind: what issue? | 15:06 |
| rhedlind | Zuul and Jenkins are not syncing up. Zuul sees the trigger events coming in but it never kicks of any jobs in jenkins | 15:07 |
| lennyb | what do you see in debug log? | 15:07 |
| lennyb | did it work with sandbox-ci? | 15:08 |
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| rhedlind | trying to find an example of a cinder event | 15:08 |
| lennyb | do you have existing /var/run/zuul/zuul.pid ? | 15:08 |
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| rhedlind | it used to be up and running openstack/cinder testing | 15:09 |
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| mmedvede | one good thing to do is to check state of gearman worker queue, i.e. 'echo status | nc <zuul_ip> 4730'. It should show all the functions jenkins has registered with gearman | 15:11 |
| lennyb | in my CI in such cases the issue was usually bad layout.yaml syntax . Did you validated layout.yaml ? | 15:11 |
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| asselin | in your project-config you should have a tox.ini. tox -e zuul should be the command to validate | 15:12 |
| lennyb | rhedlind: there are a lot of online yaml validators | 15:12 |
| rhedlind | oh, I forgot about the validation feature. I will try that right now | 15:12 |
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| lennyb | rhedlind: also check if zuul.pid exists | 15:12 |
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| asselin | #link layout.yaml and jenkins job build configuration validation: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/project-config-example/tree/tox.ini#n39 | 15:13 |
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| rhedlind | ok, I will take a look at this ideas. thanks! | 15:13 |
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| anteaya | any more on this topic? | 15:15 |
| * lennyb 1sec | 15:15 | |
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| rhedlind | no, I don't want to take up any more of your time on it. Thanks for the ideas! | 15:15 |
| lennyb | rhedlind: also check if zuul is not locked in loop. I've noticed that from time to time. a lot of exceptions in zuul.log | 15:16 |
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| * lennyb done | 15:16 | |
| anteaya | okay thanks rhedlind for the topic | 15:16 |
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| anteaya | does anyone have anything else they would like to discuss? | 15:17 |
| lennyb | yes | 15:17 |
| anteaya | go ahead lennyb | 15:17 |
| lennyb | from time to time I've noticed that in case that gearman cant see a job to run or no valid slaves are avaliable | 15:17 |
| lennyb | it comments on gerrit with NOT_REGISTERED job | 15:18 |
| anteaya | yes | 15:18 |
| lennyb | this issue is very hard to monitor for me. All I found as a solution is grep the log | 15:18 |
| anteaya | ah | 15:18 |
| lennyb | any ideas how to prevent it? | 15:18 |
| mmedvede | +1 on preventing it | 15:19 |
| lennyb | or monitor it? | 15:19 |
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| anteaya | well infra used to get it when the jenkins output specified one node and the gearman was looking for another kind of node | 15:19 |
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| anteaya | we changed how nodes are specified and that has removed a lot of NOT_REGISTERED for us | 15:19 |
| anteaya | and as for monitoring we have humans tell us when there is a problem | 15:20 |
| anteaya | however | 15:20 |
| anteaya | I can see you would not be able to rely on the same mechanism | 15:20 |
| mmedvede | it is still a problem when you restart zuul, and jenkins did not have time to register all jobs yet | 15:20 |
| lennyb | anteaya: the last time human said it to me, our CI was disabled due to this issue :) | 15:20 |
| mmedvede | imo, zuul should not throw a fit every time it does not see a job :) | 15:20 |
| anteaya | so as of right now, I personally don't know of any way to monitor or prevent it | 15:20 |
| anteaya | lennyb: yes, right, then you need a better way other than humans | 15:21 |
| lennyb | maybe we can disable commenting in such cases | 15:21 |
| anteaya | okay well perhaps you can draft an email to the infra list lennyb | 15:21 |
| mmedvede | lennyb: I was thinking patching zuul to prevent it | 15:21 |
| lennyb | mmedvede +1 | 15:21 |
| anteaya | and we can discuss it and inlude the rest of the infra folks and other third party operators | 15:21 |
| anteaya | mmedvede: let's raise some awareness first so your patch will get some attention | 15:22 |
| lennyb | anteaya: ok, I will drop an email | 15:22 |
| anteaya | since folks will be aware of your situation and hence the motivation for the patch | 15:22 |
| mmedvede | I was thinking local patch, not going into community | 15:22 |
| anteaya | does that sound reasonable? | 15:22 |
| anteaya | mmedvede: okay well that is your choice | 15:22 |
| mmedvede | but I'll see if it is possible | 15:22 |
| anteaya | but upstream might be willing to consider it | 15:22 |
| anteaya | thanks | 15:22 |
| lennyb | mmedvede: we are community if it's good for you it will be good for me as well :) | 15:23 |
| anteaya | :) | 15:23 |
| mmedvede | right :) | 15:23 |
| anteaya | do we have any more on this matter? | 15:23 |
| mmedvede | lennyb: if I find a way, I'll push a patch. It was more of an annoyance for me with "NOT_REGISTERED" | 15:23 |
| lennyb | mmedvede ok | 15:24 |
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| * lennyb finished with this issue | 15:24 | |
| anteaya | thank you for bringing it up for discussion | 15:24 |
| anteaya | does anyone have any other item they would like to discuss today? | 15:25 |
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| anteaya | does anyone have any objection to me closing the meeting? | 15:26 |
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| anteaya | thanks everyone for you kind attendance and participation today | 15:27 |
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| anteaya | enjoy the rest of your day/evening | 15:27 |
| anteaya | see you all next week | 15:27 |
| anteaya | thank you | 15:27 |
| anteaya | #endmeeting | 15:27 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 1 15:27:31 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:27 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-08-01-15.00.html | 15:27 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-08-01-15.00.txt | 15:27 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-08-01-15.00.log.html | 15:27 |
| mmedvede | thanks anteaya | 15:27 |
| anteaya | mmedvede: :) | 15:27 |
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| rakhmerov | #startmeeting Mistral | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 1 16:00:58 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rakhmerov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mistral' | 16:01 |
| ddeja | o/ | 16:01 |
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| rbrady | o/ | 16:01 |
| jpeeler | hi | 16:01 |
| rakhmerov | hi | 16:02 |
| rakhmerov | sorry, I actually forgot to send out an email with agenda | 16:03 |
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| rakhmerov | I actually want to review action items that we had 2 weeks ago | 16:04 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Review Action Items | 16:04 |
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| rakhmerov | 1. rakhmerov: file BPs for individual work items of Custom Actions API | 16:04 |
| rakhmerov | done | 16:04 |
| janki | o/ | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | 2. rakhmerov: assign mistral-lib work to Ryan Brady | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | done | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | 3. hparekh_: create a BP for YAQL functions API | 16:05 |
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| rakhmerov | hparekh: you here? | 16:05 |
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| rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov: find out with hparekh if "hparekh_: create a BP for YAQL functions API" is done | 16:06 |
| rakhmerov | 4. rbrady, jpeeler: start with initial proposal on security module for Actions API | 16:06 |
| jtomasek | o/ | 16:06 |
| rakhmerov | hi | 16:06 |
| rakhmerov | rbrady, jpeeler: any updates for this? | 16:06 |
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| jpeeler | not from me... | 16:07 |
| rbrady | rakhmerov: yes. I'm currently working on it right now. the security and utils are connected | 16:07 |
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| rakhmerov | ok | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | good | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Current status | 16:07 |
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| rakhmerov | my status: I'm now fully dedicated to solving Mistral performance issues, made a serious of patches during last week | 16:08 |
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| rakhmerov | some of them are merged, some are on review | 16:08 |
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| rakhmerov | the biggest challenge: I want to get rid of pessimistic locking TX model at all | 16:09 |
| rbrady | mistral-lib: I'm tracking mistral-lib work here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mistral-lib | 16:09 |
| rakhmerov | I made sure that it doesn't work well after doing profiling | 16:09 |
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| rakhmerov | oh, ok | 16:09 |
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| rakhmerov | cool | 16:09 |
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| ddeja | my status: fixed some bugs regarding new RPC layer. Still one waiting to be fixed. Then I want to add some tempest testing for this new feature. | 16:09 |
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| rbrady | mistral-lib: status, porting over utils is helping me to flush out security requirements. working on whether or not to port entire mistral.context over, or just create a security context that will become an attribute of mistral.context | 16:10 |
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| rakhmerov | ddeja: which one is waiting to be fixed? | 16:11 |
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| rakhmerov | rbrady: why do you have this dilemma? Can you tell about pros and cons for both approaches? | 16:12 |
| ddeja | rakhmerov: I'm not sure if it this filled as a bug, but just from looking into the code this TODO must be addressed before the release or Newton mistral wouldn't work with anything but RabbitMQ https://github.com/openstack/mistral/blob/master/mistral/utils/rpc_utils.py#L31 | 16:12 |
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| rakhmerov | ddeja: ooh, I see. Is it also true in case of using oslo messaging? | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | only rabbit for now? | 16:14 |
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| ddeja | yeah, rpc_utils are used olso for oslo | 16:14 |
| rbrady | rakhmerov: I'm evaluating pro/cons at the moment. | 16:14 |
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| rakhmerov | ok | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | that's fine | 16:16 |
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| rakhmerov | jpeeler: any updates from you? | 16:17 |
| rbrady | rakhmerov: I can email the list later once I understand more about the auth hook and auth functions near the bottom of the mistral.context module | 16:17 |
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| jpeeler | i have on my todo list to finish proposed changes for client caching to use cachetools, but it's not happening in the near future unfortunately | 16:17 |
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| rakhmerov | jpeeler: as far as your patch with caching, I'm not sure if you saw my comment made recently. You may wanna look at what I did with LRUCache in parser.py | 16:17 |
| rakhmerov | it works perfectly, I tested it | 16:18 |
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| jpeeler | yeah i commented. i think TTLCache is best to handle automatic expiration | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | jpeeler: ok | 16:18 |
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| rakhmerov | jpeeler: it depends on the use case I think | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | the good thing is that it can be changed any time, they all have the same interface | 16:19 |
| jpeeler | yep, pretty good find | 16:19 |
| rakhmerov | jpeeler: ok, if you feel that you don't have time to finish it in Aug please let us know, we'll help | 16:19 |
| jpeeler | oh i can do it by then. just have a tripleo item working on, and then going to be out of town this week. | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | that's not a problem | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | sure | 16:20 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, I just want to have a topic for Actions API to discuss something quickly | 16:21 |
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| rakhmerov | #topci Actions API progress | 16:21 |
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| rakhmerov | rbrady: so, do you think we have some roadblocks at this point? | 16:21 |
| rakhmerov | some serious issues? | 16:21 |
| rakhmerov | or it is going smoothly? | 16:22 |
| rbrady | rakhmerov: I think it is going smooth enough so far. | 16:22 |
| rbrady | rakhmerov: I'm trying to be a bit cautious about what get's moved over or is created, thinking about it's impact to the primary mistral repo | 16:23 |
| rakhmerov | ok, I see | 16:23 |
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| rakhmerov | then there's nothing to discuss for now? :) | 16:23 |
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| rbrady | rakhmerov: the most pressing issue for me right now is the utils/security. I think I will have more questions when I get to the execution parts | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | rbrady: please use ML and IRC if something occurs | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | yeah, I see | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | yeah, I mean please don't wait for a next weekly meeting to discuss something | 16:25 |
| rbrady | rakhmerov: ack, will use ML | 16:25 |
| rakhmerov | we can do it in other ways too | 16:25 |
| rakhmerov | thanks | 16:25 |
| rakhmerov | ok, I'm glad it is progressing | 16:25 |
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| rakhmerov | then if there's nothing from your side on this let's move to Open Discussion | 16:26 |
| rbrady | rahkmerov: wrt to executing actions within mistral vs creating an instance of an action class and calling run() to get the results, what is different? | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | pardon me? | 16:26 |
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| rakhmerov | not sure I understood your question | 16:27 |
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| rbrady | rakhmerov: in the custom-actions-api spec in the mistral.actions.api.utils section, it talks about "Return type for these actions though must be rather a wrapper that doesn't just call Action.run() method but instead uses Mistral action execution machinery to actually call action just like as if it was called as part of workflow " | 16:28 |
| rakhmerov | what do you mean by "executing actions within mistral"? | 16:28 |
| rakhmerov | ooh, I see | 16:28 |
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| rakhmerov | hm.. let me think | 16:29 |
| rbrady | rakhmerov: in tripleo right now I have an action that calls super(DeployStackAction, self).run() to get some data and I'm just curious if there is another approach I should be taking | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | by saying that I meant that just calling Action.run() may not be enough | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | yeah, so | 16:30 |
| rbrady | I was thinking this might be helpful for me to understand before I get tot the execution module | 16:30 |
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| rakhmerov | sure, ok | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | thinking.. | 16:30 |
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| rakhmerov | so basically, my thought was that when we execute actions normally we do some stuff before actually calling Action.run() | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | right? | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | like routing an action to a correct executor | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | using "target" task property, for example | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | prepare context | 16:31 |
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| rakhmerov | that's why I assumed that it might be a little more on top of just calling Action.run() | 16:32 |
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| rakhmerov | but maybe it's not really true | 16:32 |
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| rakhmerov | hm.. | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | basically, security context will be calculated in a different way now | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | w/o "context" param being prepared in advance | 16:33 |
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| rakhmerov | so minus one concern.. | 16:33 |
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| rakhmerov | as far as routing, maybe we don't really need it because we assume that we are already on some right executor | 16:33 |
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| rakhmerov | rbrady: what do you think about it? | 16:34 |
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| rakhmerov | rbrady: and do you see my initial point? | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | I'm not saying now it is correct though.. | 16:34 |
| rbrady | rakhmerov: not sure I'm following yet...reading again | 16:35 |
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| rakhmerov | ok | 16:35 |
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| rbrady | rakhmerov: are you saying that a workflow might split tasks across more than one executor and the information needed in the security context might not be valid across executors? | 16:36 |
| rakhmerov | yeah, sort of | 16:37 |
| rakhmerov | rbrady: but you know, I'm now not really seeing reasons for this | 16:37 |
| rakhmerov | anyway, please think about it more. Maybe I overcomplicated it in the spec actually :) | 16:38 |
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| rakhmerov | (my passion to make things too abstract maybe :) ) | 16:38 |
| rbrady | rakhmerov: do we have an HA CI job or plans to have one in the future? | 16:38 |
| rakhmerov | absolutely yes | 16:38 |
| rakhmerov | I would say, even in the near future | 16:38 |
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| rakhmerov | my plan is to fix the most apparent performance issues that I identified and then move to creating an HA gate and writing more Rally tests | 16:39 |
| rakhmerov | so that we make sure we're not regressing moving forward | 16:39 |
| rbrady | rahkmerov: ack | 16:39 |
| rakhmerov | with performance | 16:39 |
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| rakhmerov | just for now it's more important to actually fix those issues | 16:40 |
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| rakhmerov | btw, I'm not sure if you all are aware of it so I'll repeat: Mistral is now integrated with osprofiler tool | 16:41 |
| rakhmerov | which allows to do profiling of all needed Mistral components | 16:41 |
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| rakhmerov | I started using it actively and was able to see some huge issues immediately | 16:41 |
| rakhmerov | ddeja: you may want to use it, for example, when testing your RPC impl | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | it is a very handy tool | 16:42 |
| ddeja | rakhmerov: ACK ;) | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | the only issue is that it's not yet documented in our docs how to actually use it | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | it took me a couple of hours to understand :) | 16:43 |
| rakhmerov | but you can ask me :) | 16:43 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:43 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Open Discussion | 16:43 |
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| rakhmerov | I don't have anything else from my side | 16:43 |
| rakhmerov | I'm fully focused on performance tasks.. | 16:43 |
| rakhmerov | making needed preparation steps for getting rid of pessimistic locks | 16:44 |
| ddeja | I was talking today with jtomasek and he had problems with using action API | 16:44 |
| rakhmerov | what kind of problems? | 16:44 |
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| ddeja | jtomasek: I'm not sure if you are here and can elaborate a little... | 16:45 |
| jtomasek | yeah | 16:45 |
| ddeja | great :) | 16:45 |
| jtomasek | so I am dealing with the problem of error handling the action-executions api calls | 16:45 |
| rakhmerov | I saw some messages in our IRC channel but didn't have time to read them all | 16:45 |
| rakhmerov | jtomasek: example? | 16:45 |
| jtomasek | regardless on whether the action fails or not, it always returns http 200 and a response which looks like this: | 16:46 |
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| jtomasek | http://paste.openstack.org/show/545045/ | 16:46 |
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| rakhmerov | what action? | 16:46 |
| jtomasek | rakhmerov: this one specifically is tripleo.update_capabilities | 16:47 |
| jtomasek | rakhmerov: from here: | 16:47 |
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| jtomasek | rakhmerov: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/348537/4/tripleo_common/actions/heat_capabilities.py | 16:47 |
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| rakhmerov | ok | 16:48 |
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| jtomasek | rakhmerov: it would be nice if when the action fails, it would return an error state http code so the response would get identified as an error | 16:49 |
| rakhmerov | hm.. I wonder why state is null | 16:49 |
| rakhmerov | jtomasek: well, this seems to be possible now | 16:50 |
| rakhmerov | but the action itself should take care of this | 16:50 |
| rakhmerov | give me a sec.. | 16:50 |
| rakhmerov | I'll find an example | 16:50 |
| jtomasek | rakhmerov: cool, just tell me why so I can make sure we update that in the action | 16:50 |
| jtomasek | :) | 16:50 |
| jtomasek | s/why/how | 16:51 |
| rakhmerov | yeah, found it | 16:51 |
| rakhmerov | look at this: https://github.com/openstack/mistral/blob/master/mistral/actions/std_actions.py#L214 | 16:51 |
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| rakhmerov | this is how our standard std.http action takes care of different HTTP status codes | 16:52 |
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| rakhmerov | so the idea is that even if according to the logic of your action it gets some error result, this result could be structured and returned back to the workflow | 16:52 |
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| rakhmerov | so that the workflow could make some decisions on variations of this error result | 16:53 |
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| rakhmerov | is this what you're looking for? | 16:53 |
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| rbrady | rakhmerov, jtomasek: IIUC, the run-action will still return 200 and the calling code will still need to inspect the error | 16:53 |
| jtomasek | rakhmerov: so you say, that by specifying error param on Result, it would return another http code then 200? | 16:54 |
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| jtomasek | rbrady: yeah, that is the problem | 16:54 |
| rakhmerov | jtomasek: exactly | 16:54 |
| jtomasek | rakhmerov: hm, it seems not to be like that | 16:54 |
| rakhmerov | right | 16:54 |
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| ddeja | rakhmerov: what is the problem: they want to quickly find out if action ended with success or error | 16:55 |
| ddeja | but both returns HTTP 200 | 16:55 |
| rakhmerov | action itself need to understand: "Aha, I got an error somehow and now my responsibility to build Result object in a certain way so that in workflow we could analyze that" | 16:55 |
| ddeja | and as you saw, state is 'null' | 16:55 |
| rbrady | rakhmerov: is there a place in the executor where it sets the response code? | 16:55 |
| ddeja | I'm wondering if state should be SUCCESS or ERROR | 16:56 |
| rakhmerov | "error" in Result(error=..) will switch the action into ERROR state | 16:56 |
| ddeja | it should, but as jtomasek showed, it is not... http://paste.openstack.org/show/545045/ | 16:56 |
| jtomasek | rakhmerov: but that happens only in case when action-execution gets persisted by using the special parameter to POST action-execution api call | 16:56 |
| ddeja | do we have a bug? | 16:56 |
| rakhmerov | then it might be a bug | 16:56 |
| rakhmerov | rbrady: no, I'm not talking about the response code in general case. Like I said, this response code is a part of action logic | 16:57 |
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| rakhmerov | for some actions it may not make sense to have any status codes | 16:57 |
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| ddeja | jtomasek: please fill a bug with as many informormation as possible | 16:57 |
| jtomasek | rakhmerov: yeah, setting the action state should be enough | 16:57 |
| jtomasek | ddeja: ok, will do it tomorrow morning | 16:57 |
| jtomasek | thanks! | 16:57 |
| rbrady | rakhmerov: this case is specific to run-action | 16:58 |
| ddeja | jtomasek: I can take a look on it | 16:58 |
| rakhmerov | for executor only ERROR or SUCCESS is important | 16:58 |
| ddeja | jtomasek: what time zona are you? | 16:58 |
| rakhmerov | ok, we're running out of time guys | 16:58 |
| ddeja | s/zona/zone | 16:58 |
| jtomasek | ddeja: CEST | 16:58 |
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| rakhmerov | jtomasek: file a bug pls and we'll look at it | 16:58 |
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| rakhmerov | everything should work ;) | 16:58 |
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| ddeja | jtomasek: cool, same :) | 16:59 |
| jtomasek | nice | 16:59 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, let's end the meeting | 16:59 |
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| rakhmerov | bye, thanks for joining guys | 16:59 |
| rbrady | bye! | 16:59 |
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| rakhmerov | have a great week! | 16:59 |
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| ddeja | bye, thanks all | 16:59 |
| rakhmerov | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
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| ryanpetrello | #startmeeting astara | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 1 18:00:07 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ryanpetrello. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| ryanpetrello | rods markmcclain adam_g elopez_ | 18:00 |
| ryanpetrello | o/ | 18:00 |
| eric_lopez | Good Morning | 18:00 |
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| phil_h | Good Day. | 18:01 |
| ryanpetrello | hullo phil_h | 18:01 |
| ryanpetrello | not much from me - it looks there's some reviews help up due to pep8 failures | 18:01 |
| ryanpetrello | so I'm probably gonna peek at those soon | 18:01 |
| ryanpetrello | s/help/held | 18:02 |
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| ryanpetrello | anybody have anything else? | 18:03 |
| phil_h | I have been working on a ODA plugin for astara | 18:04 |
| phil_h | s/ODA/OSA/ | 18:04 |
| phil_h | progress is slow due to my real job. | 18:04 |
| eric_lopez | not here... just getting back into things... | 18:04 |
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| ryanpetrello | okay then | 18:07 |
| ryanpetrello | #endmeeting | 18:07 |
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| krotscheck | #startmeeting app_ecosystem_wg | 22:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 1 22:00:16 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is krotscheck. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'app_ecosystem_wg' | 22:00 |
| krotscheck | Hello everyone! | 22:00 |
| mbonell | hi :) | 22:00 |
| uxdanielle | Hi! | 22:00 |
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| krotscheck | Agenda: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/2016_Aug_1_App_Ecosystem_Workgroup | 22:00 |
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| docaedo | Hello! | 22:01 |
| Patifa | hey | 22:01 |
| krotscheck | #topic Guadalajara App Hackathon | 22:01 |
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| mbonell | we are ready for our next training | 22:01 |
| mbonell | My First Cloud-Aware App in OpenStack | 22:02 |
| krotscheck | Judging from the updates to this agenda item, the pre-training is ongoing and going well? | 22:02 |
| mbonell | very well | 22:02 |
| krotscheck | \o/ | 22:02 |
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| mbonell | the past training was a success | 22:02 |
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| Patifa | yay1 | 22:02 |
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| carolbarrett | hi | 22:02 |
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| notmars | josh is ready | 22:02 |
| mbonell | we expect the same number of attendes (~30) | 22:02 |
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| vhdiaz | hello | 22:03 |
| mbonell | hi vic | 22:03 |
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| krotscheck | Excellent :). Patifa, you have a hypothesis you want to test? | 22:03 |
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| Patifa | Well, Piet needed to depriorize the research unfortunalety | 22:04 |
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| krotscheck | Internal reasons? | 22:05 |
| reed | o/ | 22:05 |
| Patifa | he has other projects. | 22:05 |
| Patifa | but I thought we could take a stab at creating a survey to use at the hackathon | 22:05 |
| uxdanielle | Happy to help! | 22:05 |
| Patifa | Create a survey target to hackathon participants to help identify pain points in their user journey that we could address in the future. Victor and I drafted the user journey in the hackathon: Architect app > Design/Prototype > Define API/services/SDK > Define language > Gather info/documentation > Prototype (Code>Deploy>Test - repeat) | 22:05 |
| Patifa | Main question here is what are our hypothesis we want to confirm. I want to schedule a brainstorming session so that we can come up with some hypotheses to use to create the survey around. | 22:05 |
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| leong | o/ | 22:06 |
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| Patifa | where do we think devs get stuck.. | 22:06 |
| Patifa | We can also target to Point participants to Piet’s survey during the even to help increase Openstack UX project app developer database. Quick and easy. | 22:07 |
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| mbonell | also, trainings can help us to create hypothesis | 22:07 |
| krotscheck | Interesting. So this is the journey that the hackathon education is structured around? | 22:07 |
| Patifa | There are not mandatory steps... but this are the step we believe they follow | 22:08 |
| Patifa | There were others steps, but they were Hackathon specific so l left them out | 22:08 |
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| Patifa | Like "create biz presentation" | 22:09 |
| * krotscheck wonders if the process is a little more like: "I have requirements handed to my by a PM" -> "Google Stackoverflow" -> "Follow tutorial", with the language preassumed by the team you're working in. | 22:09 | |
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| krotscheck | Either way, you want to brainstorm. At the hackathon? Sometime in the next few weeks? | 22:09 |
| Patifa | In real life or hackathon mode? | 22:10 |
| Patifa | I want to brainstorm this thrusday ;P | 22:10 |
| krotscheck | Ok, let's brainstorm this thursday :) | 22:10 |
| krotscheck | Who would you like to participate? | 22:10 |
| krotscheck | (real life) | 22:10 |
| notmars | I'm not sure what we're talking about here | 22:11 |
| Patifa | The truth is that we wont get "real life data" at the hackathon. But we may still find interesting pain points that might be true in real life too | 22:11 |
| notmars | and I'm not sure what you mean by 'real life' :P | 22:11 |
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| krotscheck | notmars: Two different threads. | 22:11 |
| krotscheck | So, the goal of this research is to identify the pain points encountered by devs when they try to build on OpenStack? | 22:12 |
| Patifa | Yep. | 22:12 |
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| krotscheck | And on thursday you'd like to get people together to brainstorm a testable hypothesis, and then develop tests to check it? | 22:13 |
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| uxdanielle | Not sure I can contribute to dev pain points, but can help translate brainstorming items to survey questions | 22:13 |
| Patifa | yep | 22:13 |
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| Patifa | Sure, and we need that skill uxdanielle :D | 22:13 |
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| Patifa | I'll send the invite to the mailing list. I wanted to check if you think this is a good opportinity too. use ~200 app developers in one place for 2 days playing with OpenStack to gather data. | 22:15 |
| Patifa | possibly create a model to be replicated in other hackathons | 22:15 |
| krotscheck | I think it might be. uxdanielle would know better on the best way to collect data. | 22:15 |
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| craigs | Knowing that they may be fairly new to OpenStack | 22:15 |
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| notmars_ | I'd say yes in a more 'passive' capacity (like observing), but if we intervene during their hack...their bound to get frustrating at that activity :P | 22:15 |
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| notmars_ | (frustrated, not frustrating) | 22:16 |
| vhdiaz | exactly | 22:16 |
| Patifa | we need to make it so it doesnt get in their way during the hackathon | 22:16 |
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| craigs | notmars: due to lack of time | 22:16 |
| uxdanielle | That depends on what you want to know - we might learn more after the brainstorming about what that looks to be | 22:16 |
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| krotscheck | Sounds like there's enough interest. Patifa, how about you organize the call/irc meeting and we'll see what shakes out. | 22:17 |
| krotscheck | Any disagreements before we move on? | 22:17 |
| krotscheck | Ok, Any other questions about the Hackathon? | 22:17 |
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| krotscheck | Ok. | 22:18 |
| krotscheck | #topic Barcelona | 22:18 |
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| Patifa | action: Patricia to organize brainstoming session around research during hackthon. | 22:18 |
| krotscheck | mbonell has been in touch with speaker support. It looks like there will be a separate invite for WG-based space, is that correct? | 22:18 |
| mbonell | yep | 22:18 |
| mbonell | looks like I have to wait | 22:19 |
| Patifa | #action: Patricia to organize brainstoming session around research during hackthon. | 22:19 |
| krotscheck | #action: Patricia to organize brainstoming session around research during hackthon | 22:19 |
| krotscheck | Oh | 22:19 |
| krotscheck | :) | 22:19 |
| mbonell | but they know about our training proposal | 22:19 |
| Patifa | ;) | 22:19 |
| krotscheck | Just to confirm, is this to see whether we can get space as well? | 22:19 |
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| mbonell | yep | 22:20 |
| krotscheck | I'd like to put together a fishbowl session for SDK work during the summit. Given that both shade and the javascript sdk is under the infra banner, we can always request it via fungi, however if it's feasible for us to get space directly from the foundation that'd also be great. | 22:20 |
| krotscheck | That' sindependent of your training piece though | 22:20 |
| carolbarrett | They will put out the call for WG spaces after the schedule gets published on 8/25 | 22:20 |
| krotscheck | carolbarrett: Ah, excellent. Thank you. | 22:21 |
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| krotscheck | Are there any other WG-related sessions we'd like to propose? | 22:21 |
| craigs | Besides the Birds of a feather and working session? | 22:21 |
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| notmars_ | looks enough for me | 22:22 |
| mbonell | +1 | 22:22 |
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| krotscheck | Alright, I'll take that down in the notes. | 22:22 |
| krotscheck | Does anyone think an SDK working session makes sense? | 22:23 |
| craigs | Can you give me more on what you think would come out of it | 22:23 |
| craigs | quality of SDK? Narrowing what SDKs? | 22:24 |
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| krotscheck | Well, I know the Javascript sdk team wants to spend an hour or two hacking together. | 22:24 |
| krotscheck | I also know that mordred is partial to doing the same with shade, but that'll likely be under the infra banner. | 22:24 |
| craigs | well I think that would be kind of out of scope for us if it's a working session | 22:24 |
| shamail | krotscheck: +1, I'd like to attend that session to discuss how we might be able to provide status information for SDKs in a centralized manner | 22:24 |
| notmars_ | I'd like that too in fact :P | 22:25 |
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| notmars_ | that's an amazing idea for SDK devs | 22:25 |
| krotscheck | Right, but it might not be App Eco WG related. | 22:25 |
| krotscheck | Ya know, this seems like a dev-audience thing that I should take to the dev lsit | 22:25 |
| craigs | something more up to date than https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/SDKs | 22:25 |
| reed | shamail, what do you mean by "provide status information for SDKs in a centralized manner"? | 22:26 |
| krotscheck | #action krotscheck: Start conversation on the dev list about the needs of SDK developers at the summit. | 22:26 |
| shamail | App Eco is the only team I've seen put that info together | 22:26 |
| reed | krotscheck, or the other way around, reach out to SDK devs | 22:26 |
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| shamail | Reed: which services are supported, last update, etc | 22:26 |
| notmars_ | I think that it's a gap that we should fill, wherever we put it | 22:26 |
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| reed | shamail, so like craigs said, a better wiki page? | 22:27 |
| shamail | Yep! | 22:27 |
| reed | a better page than the wiki, in other words :) | 22:27 |
| craigs | +1 | 22:27 |
| shamail | We would also pull from that page for the operator tag | 22:27 |
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| shamail | (Didn't mean to hijack, sorry) | 22:28 |
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| krotscheck | The conversation's getting out of scope for Barcelona. | 22:28 |
| krotscheck | So let's move on and put this in open discussion | 22:28 |
| * notmars_ still likes the SDK-dev hack session though :P | 22:29 | |
| krotscheck | One last thing: Voting for sessions is open! Go vote ! https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/vote-for-speakers/ | 22:29 |
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| fungi | krotscheck: i'd be comfortable with an infra summit session for that, but cross-project might be even better still? | 22:29 |
| krotscheck | #topic AppDev User study | 22:30 |
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| krotscheck | From earlier conversation, it sounds like the UX team is no longer focused on this, is that correct uxdanielle? | 22:30 |
| Patifa | nope.. that is not correct | 22:30 |
| uxdanielle | Not exactly, in fact it's probably our biggest focus now! | 22:31 |
| Patifa | this study is still on going. what got deprioritised was the research AT THE HACKATON ;D | 22:31 |
| krotscheck | Oh good! | 22:31 |
| * krotscheck likes clarification | 22:31 | |
| uxdanielle | Still no new participants on the schedule. Need to follow up with the qualified participant on scheduling and with Wendy on the progress of the recruit. | 22:31 |
| uxdanielle | :) | 22:31 |
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| krotscheck | Action item: carolbarrett to reach out to walmart and cern contacts. How's that going? | 22:31 |
| * mordred waves to krotscheck | 22:31 | |
| mordred | ah - summit. yeah. happy to lurk/crash other thigns too | 22:32 |
| Patifa | did piet send you the ask carolbarrett ? | 22:33 |
| carolbarrett | I saw the ask on the ML | 22:33 |
| Patifa | ok | 22:34 |
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| krotscheck | carolbarrett: ping? Any word from the foundation, cern, or walmart? | 22:35 |
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| Patifa | Shall we move on? | 22:38 |
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| krotscheck | Hrm, ok. Let's table that one for next week. uxdanielle, anything specific remaining on the survey, or can we move on? | 22:38 |
| uxdanielle | Not from my end. I'll regroup with Piet about what we're going to do to find participants tomorrow. We were thinking of using the Foundation's list from the semi-annual survey but that's a big deal for us, so need to be sure once we pull that trigger | 22:39 |
| krotscheck | Yeah, that would be. Keep us up to date on what you find. | 22:39 |
| krotscheck | #topic AppDev Centric Ebook | 22:39 |
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| uxdanielle | (we can only send out one UX email per cycle so we need to plan to make sure we get everything in) | 22:39 |
| krotscheck | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/user-committee/2016-August/001150.html | 22:40 |
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| krotscheck | This is a new ask from the Enterprise WG- they'd like to put together an app-dev focused ebook from now through the summit. | 22:40 |
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| Patifa | Leong sent an email to the mailing list about it. | 22:41 |
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| krotscheck | They're asking for participants to help write individual sections. | 22:42 |
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| notmars_ | I quite divided about this effort | 22:42 |
| Patifa | and participate in the sprint they'll host at the summit | 22:42 |
| krotscheck | I feel that individual experts on our team have quite a bit to contribute to that, however I don't want to speak on their behalf for the required time commitment. | 22:42 |
| shamail | The sprint will be at the summit but we will be working on outline and get a head start before the summit | 22:42 |
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| krotscheck | I'm worried about content overlap between firstapp and the ebook. | 22:44 |
| * krotscheck guesses that that overlap could be a strength. | 22:44 | |
| notmars_ | I'm in agreement with that krotscheck | 22:44 |
| notmars_ | (not the strength part :P) | 22:45 |
| krotscheck | However if I had to choose one thing to focus on between the two, I'd focus on the one that you can google. | 22:45 |
| notmars_ | +1M | 22:45 |
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| krotscheck | Does anyone have questions for shamail ?? | 22:45 |
| shamail | The ebook is focused on architecture/design considerations for cloud apps. We could probably point to or re-use firstapp as it makes sense | 22:46 |
| craigs | FirstApp is likely to be in google, but the ebook content not likely | 22:46 |
| craigs | I think it's fine to have both | 22:46 |
| craigs | just make sure they don't conflict | 22:46 |
| shamail | craigs: +1 | 22:46 |
| krotscheck | Well, the initial outline is here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mR-M2ufn0lviyGughNdm0zFz9O6AlYFUSr3JKqoaiv4/edit | 22:47 |
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| mbonell | nice effort! | 22:47 |
| Patifa | craigs +1 | 22:47 |
| krotscheck | The target is 20 pages. | 22:47 |
| krotscheck | So, likely a launching off point. | 22:47 |
| mbonell | there is a hugeeee lack about arch/design for cloud apps | 22:47 |
| craigs | those have been covered in previous books | 22:48 |
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| krotscheck | 12 minute warning | 22:48 |
| krotscheck | It doesn't seem like there's anything concrete to talk about on this other than "Hey, if you want to contribute, do!" | 22:49 |
| shamail | The previous eBooks from EWG focused on why to choose cloud and how to get started | 22:49 |
| shamail | That's fair krotscheck :) | 22:49 |
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| krotscheck | Alright, let's move on. shamail, if your team has sepcific asks from us, please don't hesitate to bring them up in the future. | 22:50 |
| shamail | Thanks! | 22:50 |
| krotscheck | #topic InterOp Challenge | 22:50 |
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| krotscheck | mbonell? DId you manage to get in touch with Brad Topol? | 22:50 |
| shamail | What's the ask here? I can help with this too | 22:51 |
| mbonell | he han't response | 22:51 |
| mbonell | not sure about his email address | 22:51 |
| mbonell | I'll ping rocky | 22:51 |
| krotscheck | Well, I think his IRC handle is topol. | 22:51 |
| mbonell | :o | 22:51 |
| mbonell | ok | 22:51 |
| krotscheck | But yes, reach out to rockyg, :) | 22:51 |
| shamail | mbonell: plz email me, I'll connect you | 22:51 |
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| shamail | I'm helping him | 22:51 |
| mbonell | shamail: ok! | 22:52 |
| krotscheck | #action shamail mbonell Get in touch with topol | 22:52 |
| krotscheck | Next topic. | 22:52 |
| krotscheck | #topic FirstApp Progress | 22:52 |
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| krotscheck | \o/ to everyone who got shade finished! | 22:52 |
| mbonell | \o/ | 22:53 |
| notmars | yeay | 22:53 |
| Patifa | yay!!! | 22:53 |
| mbonell | fog is next, because is ready for test | 22:53 |
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| * krotscheck did a quick once over on the firstapp content, summarized his thoughts here -> http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/user-committee/2016-August/001149.html | 22:53 | |
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| craigs | Heat is still in progress, cleaning up html and need to do an autoscaling page | 22:54 |
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| craigs | then I will be ready to publish | 22:54 |
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| krotscheck | craigs++ | 22:55 |
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| krotscheck | javascript is proceeding well, but we're still a few weeks out from landing keystone. | 22:55 |
| krotscheck | A lot of plumbing to do. | 22:55 |
| craigs | LOL thats kind of Key | 22:55 |
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| krotscheck | craigs-- for the pun. | 22:55 |
| krotscheck | ;) | 22:55 |
| krotscheck | Does anyone have any issues they need help with? | 22:56 |
| krotscheck | Blockers, content, reviews, tests? | 22:56 |
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| craigs | nope | 22:56 |
| mbonell | no | 22:56 |
| krotscheck | Alright, next. | 22:56 |
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| krotscheck | #topic What is an App. | 22:56 |
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| krotscheck | Announcement made, patch landed against the app developer persona. | 22:57 |
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| krotscheck | Topic complete. Any questions? | 22:57 |
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| krotscheck | Cool! Last, open discussion! | 22:57 |
| krotscheck | #topic Open Discussion | 22:57 |
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| krotscheck | shamail, you expressed an interest in having more information on what SDK's are available. | 22:58 |
| * krotscheck agrees. | 22:58 | |
| * krotscheck will check with the docs team on the best place to put a summary page. | 22:59 | |
| shamail | Yes | 22:59 |
| krotscheck | #action krotscheck: Find a good place to start summarizing SDK info, like a landing page. | 22:59 |
| krotscheck | Any last topics in our remaining 20 seconds? | 22:59 |
| shamail | There is a Google spreadsheet that was put together by App Eco last year... I wanted to turn that into a rendered page that could be updated by the community | 22:59 |
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| krotscheck | Thanks everyone! | 23:00 |
| krotscheck | #endmeeting | 23:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 23:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 1 23:00:22 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:00 |
| notmars | bye | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_ecosystem_wg/2016/app_ecosystem_wg.2016-08-01-22.00.html | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_ecosystem_wg/2016/app_ecosystem_wg.2016-08-01-22.00.txt | 23:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_ecosystem_wg/2016/app_ecosystem_wg.2016-08-01-22.00.log.html | 23:00 |
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