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aspiershi07:59
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rsjethaniHi aspiers08:01
rsjethaniseems people are yet to join08:01
aspiersyep08:01
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Dinesh_Bhorhi all08:01
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rsjethaniaspiers:until then I want to ask regarding consul08:02
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rsjethaniCan consul be a replacement for pacemaker/corosync?08:03
aspiersrsjethani: we have 4, I think we should start - but you can ask in the AOB section of the meeting, or we can discuss in #openstack-ha after08:03
aspiers#startmeeting ha08:03
openstackMeeting started Mon Jul 25 08:03:19 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is aspiers. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.08:03
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.08:03
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'ha'08:03
aspiershi everyone08:03
samPhi all08:03
aspiers#topic Current status (progress, issues, roadblocks, further plans)08:03
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aspierslet's do a quick round as usual - I'll start08:03
aspiersI finished setting up the specs repo08:04
samPthank you08:04
aspiersso it is ready to use now08:04
aspierssorry it took so long08:04
aspiersnext thing will be to start submitting specs08:04
samPI will send the spec today08:04
aspierscool, thanks!08:04
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samPOh.. do we need BPs08:05
samP?08:05
aspiersalso I reviewed the cross-project spec08:05
aspiersI don't think we need them08:05
aspiersunless you can think of a reason?08:05
rsjethanispecs should be enough08:05
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aspiers#info openstack-resource-agents-specs is ready for submissions08:05
samPI can think any reason, so ,08:05
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samPno BPs for specs08:06
aspiersOK :)08:06
aspiers#info we won't use Blueprints (at least until we can think of a good reason to)08:06
aspiershere is the cross-project spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/257809/08:07
aspiersit has been open for a long time I think08:07
aspiersand currently it doesn't provide much value in addition to the user story08:07
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aspiersbut in the future it can link to all the individual specs08:07
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aspiersit does talk about implementation details a bit08:08
samPaspiers: Are we using this as a reference?08:08
aspiersbut it's mostly wrong08:08
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aspierse.g. suggesting tooz can replace fencing08:08
aspierssamP: I think we need to either fix the x-p spec, or remove it08:09
aspierssamP: and I think the workflow the PWG requested is to fix it08:09
aspiersit can talk about implementation details / architecture at a high level, which might be helpful08:09
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aspiersother than that, I have been busy catching up from holiday backlog08:10
samPaspiers: originally, Timofey Durakov had a different way to implement the Instance HA08:10
aspiersand I also started to discuss with beekhof about his blog post08:10
aspierssamP: oh?08:11
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aspierswell, we can discuss after the status round08:12
aspierswho wants to go next?08:12
samPaspiers: No I mean, use Ceilometer+Mistral. which is fine.08:12
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aspiersoh, yeah08:12
samPOk, from my side,08:12
aspiersthe ceilometer discussion is ongoing in the spec review ...08:13
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samPIm working on 2 specs VM monitoring and VM recovery. Hope fully I will push them today and tomorrow.08:13
aspiersgreat!08:14
samPthatz all from my side.08:14
aspiersthanks08:14
aspiersanyone else?08:14
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rsjethaninothing from my side08:15
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Dinesh_Bhorfrom me too08:15
aspiersok08:15
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aspiers#topic HA guide08:16
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aspiersso there was some discussion on the list about the future of the guide08:16
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samPcould you please update or give some ref08:16
aspierslet me try to find08:16
samPaspiers: thanks08:17
aspiershmm, I was wrong - it was a private thread08:17
aspiersbut I can summarise here08:17
samPah..08:17
aspiersLana Brindley said it was quite out of date (I'm not sure if this is entirely true) and they were thinking about deprecating08:17
aspierssince bogdando is no longer able to look after it08:17
aspiersthe good news is beekhof volunteered08:18
aspiersand I will also try to help him08:18
samPgreat!08:18
aspiersbut of course any help is welcome08:18
samPI can help08:18
aspiers#info beekhof is taking over maintenance of the HA guide from bogdando; all help is still welcome08:18
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aspiersLana said she'd make an announcement but I don't think it happened yet08:19
aspiers#topic AOB08:20
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aspiersrsjethani: so we can talk about consul if you want?08:20
rsjethaniya sure08:20
aspiers#topic Consul08:20
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aspiersI don't know much about it08:20
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rsjethaniI was just going throughit: https://www.consul.io/intro/08:20
aspiersright08:21
aspiersit doesn't look like it can automate recovery08:21
aspiersor do fencing08:21
aspiersI think it's probably mainly for active/active services where fencing is not required08:21
rsjethaniya that was my first guess too08:21
aspiersand for non-HA services08:21
aspiersbut ICBW08:22
rsjethanistill i thought to sk you guys08:22
aspierssure08:22
aspiersplease feel free to investigate more and confirm with a Consul expert08:22
rsjethaniok08:22
aspiersif you do, it would be great if you could let us know the outcome08:22
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aspiersit's always good to be aware of all the options08:22
rsjethanithey do have the concept of watchers08:22
rsjethaniand monitors which may be used for recovery etc.08:23
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aspiersthere's Serf too08:23
rsjethaniya consul is a superset fo serf08:23
rsjethaniit uses serf only08:23
aspiersbut if there is no native support for fencing then it's not a full solution for HA cluster management08:24
aspiers#topic AOB08:24
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samPas aspiers mentioned above, I cant find any thing related to fence or auto recovery. maybe need to dig more08:24
aspiersyep08:24
aspiersanything else?08:24
rsjethaniya i will look further08:24
samPI will attend to PWG mid08:24
samPat 8/22 inNY08:24
aspiersoh - probably bad news about Barcelona. the chairman of the OpenStack board asked on our behalf if there could be an HA track08:24
aspiersbut he didn't get any reply :-(08:25
aspierssamP: cool!08:25
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samPcause I will go to ops meetup08:25
aspierssamP: maybe you could look out for any of the Foundation people there, and pester them about an HA track?08:25
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samPaspiers: sure08:26
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samPaspiers: I will try.08:27
aspiersthanks :)08:27
aspiersI will keep trying to08:27
samPaspiers: may be we can get some help from ops side too08:27
aspiersyes, great idea08:27
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aspiersI will mail openstack-operators and -dev08:27
samPgret, that will be really helpful08:27
aspiers#action aspiers to email openstack-{operators,dev} about Barcelona HA track08:27
aspiersany other topics?08:28
rsjethanianyone using pcs on ubuntu?08:28
samPNot from my side08:28
aspiersrsjethani: use crmsh ;-)08:28
samPuse crmsh08:29
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aspiershttps://crmsh.github.io/08:29
rsjethaniok :)08:29
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aspiersok, last call for other topics :)08:30
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aspiersotherwise we can end nice and early :)08:30
rsjethaniI am done08:30
samPthank you all...08:31
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aspiersok thanks everyone!08:31
aspiers#endmeeting08:31
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loquacitiesaspiers: hi! just picked up your ping from earlier ;)08:46
loquacitiesi did make an announcement on the docs list about the speciality team changes08:47
loquacitiesdid you need anything other than that?08:47
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aspiersoh, hi :) sorry, I must have missed that somehow08:47
loquacitiesall good08:47
aspiersno, nothing else required :)08:47
loquacitiesawesome!08:47
aspiersthanks a lot :)08:47
loquacitieswell, drop me an email if you need anything from me :)08:48
loquacitiesno trouble08:48
aspiersok!08:48
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andreykurilin#topic Happy Birthday boris-4214:01
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andreykurilin:)14:01
boris-42thanks=)14:01
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andreykurilinboris-42, happy birthday:)14:01
ikhudoshynso everybody's gone drinkin'14:02
boris-42=)14:02
andreykurilin:D14:02
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rvasiletsWish one day to finish Rally=)14:02
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ikhudoshynfinishing rally is pretty easy:  git push origin --delete master14:03
ikhudoshyn)))14:03
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rvasiletsParty like a ROCK STAR on your birthday)14:03
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andreykurilinikhudoshyn: it is much easier:)14:04
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andreykurilinredixin had a patch14:04
rvasiletsoO14:04
andreykurilinikhudoshyn: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/169690/14:05
andreykurilinok. do we have anything else to discuss ?14:06
andreykurilin:)14:06
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ikhudoshynnothing from me14:06
andreykurilinrvasilets had14:06
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andreykurilin#topic  How to optimize sync requirements workflow14:06
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andreykurilinfrom agenda14:06
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andreykurilinSo currently we need to manually sync our requirements with global-one14:07
rvasiletsandreykurilin, told that we need to have such patch every time when we cut release https://review.openstack.org/#/c/345307/14:07
rvasiletsI suggest to think how this could be automatize14:08
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andreykurilinyes, we need to add upper limits each time before cutting release and remove them after. it is needed to use uptodated requirements14:08
rvasiletsor to have every time requirements in sync version but before release resync it locally14:09
rvasiletsor I forgot that we can't14:10
andreykurilinwhat do you mean redync it locally?14:10
andreykurilin*resync14:10
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rvasiletsto downgrade requirements locally14:11
rvasiletsor to add upper constrains14:11
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rvasiletsor you need updated requirements at origin/master?14:12
rvasiletsnot local/master14:12
andreykurilinCurrently we use git tags for releases. it means that every requirements change should be done in gerrit-workflow  at origin/master14:12
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rvasiletsOkey If no one  have Ideas then lets keep as it was14:14
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andreykurilinmaybe in future we will write own "openstack proposal bot" which will take care about all requirements suff(syncing with g-r and pypi)14:16
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andreykurilin*stuff14:16
andreykurilinbut now we need to do it manually14:16
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andreykurilinok14:17
andreykurilinso there is one more topic from me14:17
andreykurilin#topic python 314:17
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andreykurilinI want to propose to switch our docker image to use python 3 by default14:17
andreykurilinor we can provide one more docker image. let's call it "experimental"14:18
ikhudoshynwhy not14:18
andreykurilinAlso, it would be nice to switch several(all) or regular gate jobs to python 314:18
ikhudoshyni mean if it's a container aren't we supposed to put whatever we want there?14:18
andreykurilinwe can:)14:19
ikhudoshynsure we can14:19
ikhudoshyni mean nobody should expect that we won't14:19
andreykurilinalso, all upstream gates will move to latest ubuntu image which contain python 3 by default14:19
ikhudoshyn))14:19
ikhudoshynthese two topics are less related for me14:20
andreykurilin:)14:20
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andreykurilinok, anything else to discuss?14:21
rvasiletsAbout docker image, why not. Experimental image do not oblige us14:22
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rvasiletsNothing from me14:22
ikhudoshynnot from me14:22
andreykurilin#endmeeting14:22
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anteaya#startmeeting third-party15:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Jul 25 15:00:28 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
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anteayahello15:00
lennybhey15:00
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anteayathank you to mmedvede for chairing this meeting last week15:00
anteayahey lennyb15:00
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anteayahave you anything you would like to discuss today?15:01
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lennybnot here15:02
anteayaokay thank you15:02
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anteayaI don't have anything either15:03
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mmedvedehi, I have nothing to discuss as well15:05
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anteayammedvede: thank you15:07
anteayammedvede: and thanks for last week, I appreciate it15:08
mmedvedeyou're welcome, anteaya15:08
anteaya:)15:08
lennybit was an interesting discussion15:09
anteayaoh good15:10
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anteayawhat was the conclusion?15:11
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anteayathird party ci never affects a patch going into the gate15:11
anteayajust to make sure we are clear on that15:12
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anteayaa third party ci can vote +1 or -1 on a patch but can not affect whether or not it merges15:13
anteayaonly the infra ci can do that15:13
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anteayaoh and infra doesn't care how stable a given ci is15:14
anteayathat is up to a given project to determine15:14
anteayainfra only cares about if a given gerrit account is behaving according to requirements15:15
anteayafor instance, one comment per patchset15:15
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anteayathat is about how far I have gotten skimming the logs from last week's meeting15:15
anteayawere there any other outstanding questions or concerns that you recall?15:15
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anteayasince noone has anything to discuss, does anyone object if I close the meeting?15:18
lennybsee you next week15:18
anteayathanks lennyb15:19
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anteayasee you next week15:19
anteayathanks mmedvede, see you next week15:19
anteaya#endmeeting15:19
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mmedvedeanteaya: had to step away. You did a good summary on last meeting. Mainly discussed what are the metrics for a CI to be able to vote15:30
anteayaah that is project specific15:31
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anteayammedvede: there is not agreed upon cross project metric15:31
anteayas/not/no15:32
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mmedvedeyes, I think that was the recommendation, to ask a project15:32
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anteayaawesome thank you15:48
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ddeja#startmeeting mistral16:00
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openstackMeeting started Mon Jul 25 16:00:07 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is ddeja. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
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ddejahello all16:00
mgersheno/16:00
jpeelerhello16:00
rbradyhey!16:00
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ddejaRenat can't attend the meeting and asked me to chair. Let's start with first topic16:01
ddeja#topic Review action items16:01
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ddejathere were 2 action items on Renat and one on hparekh, but they are not there16:02
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ddejasore there is one left -> rbrady, jpeeler: start with initial proposal on security module for Actions API16:02
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ddejaso, how's the work going? :)16:02
rbradyjpeeler and I have been discussing it16:02
rbradyI have a question about the context info16:03
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ddejahm?16:03
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rbradyreading the requirement of the context, it seems the mistral.context solves that and could be ported over to mistral-lib16:03
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ddejaI guess that would be possible16:04
rbradyOR a separate security context could be created and mistral.context could have a property (security_context)16:04
d0ugalHey16:05
rbradyI've been looking through the code base a bit to see if there is a reason to use one approach over the other16:05
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rbradydoes anyone have any thoughts about this?16:05
d0ugalSorry I am late16:05
ddejad0ugal: no problem :)16:05
ddejarbrady: I'm not an expert in this part unfortunately16:06
ddejaIMO both approaches are OK16:06
jpeeleri would think that external actions are going to have all the same authentication requirements as a native mistral action would16:06
ddejajpeeler: as af as I remember yes16:06
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jpeelerso porting sounds to be reasonable if for no reason other than consistency16:07
rbradyto me the question is about exposing other details from the mistral context to the custom actions and not just the security attributes listed in the spec16:07
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ddejarbrady, jpeeler, are you US based?16:07
jpeeleryes, east coast16:07
rbradyis there any reason not to share the full mistral context to a custom action?16:08
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ddejarbrady: let me look on the code...16:08
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ddejarbrady: IMO there is no reason, but I may not think about something16:09
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d0ugalMaybe this should be discussed on openstack-dev to get more input?16:10
ddejaI can ask Renat about this tommorow on IRC16:10
rbradyddeja: ack.  thanks.  I think we'll port the context over then and see how the review comments play out16:10
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ddeja#action ddeja to ask Renat about proting context16:11
ddejaok, thanks guys for the update on this update16:11
mgersheneven if the context won't be passed now, it can be added later.16:11
ddeja#topic Current status (progress, issues, roadblocks, further plans)16:11
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ddejaMy status: Finishing work on alternative RPC layer. One patch still waiting for merge and some small bugs to fix16:12
mgershenmy status: have some time to start working on this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/mistral/+bug/160394116:13
openstackLaunchpad bug 1603941 in Mistral "create workflow fails on data too long for column definition" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Michal Gershenzon (michal-gershenzon)16:13
rbradyI'm working on the actions api utils and execution modules16:13
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jpeeleri'm working on client caching and i appreciate the reviews i received. will incorporate those changes soon16:15
ddejaAnyone else wish to share their status? :)16:16
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ddeja#topic Open discussion16:17
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d0ugalI have been at EuroPython and travelling for work, so not had time for Mistral.16:17
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ddejad0ugal: OK, no problem16:18
d0ugalThis week is also a bit crazy for me, hopefully back to normal next week. I really want to figure out how to finish this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/mistral/+bug/159764016:18
openstackLaunchpad bug 1597640 in Mistral "with-items does not process ad-hoc action default values" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Dougal Matthews (d0ugal)16:18
d0ugalIf anyone has any ideas where I should go next with it, that would be great. So far I just have a failing test case16:18
ddejad0ugal: you mean some unit test?16:19
d0ugalor if anyone wants to finish it because I am being slow, I am happy for them to take it on :) - I don't want to block anyone16:19
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d0ugalddeja: Yup, a failing unit test; https://review.openstack.org/33769616:19
* ddeja is looking16:19
ddejad0ugal: I can look at it (hopefully tommorow) and leave a comment in the review16:20
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d0ugalddeja: Great, that would be very useful :)16:21
ddejaAny other opens? If not, we can end the meeting erlier.16:21
ddejacounting to 10... 116:22
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ddeja10. sold!16:23
ddejathank you all very much and see you next week :)16:23
d0ugalThanks ddeja!16:23
mgershenThanks bey!16:23
ddeja#endmeeting16:23
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ryanpetrello#startmeeting astara18:01
openstackMeeting started Mon Jul 25 18:01:25 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is ryanpetrello. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.18:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.18:01
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ryanpetrellorods adam_g markmcclain o/18:01
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ryanpetrelloany updates from anybody?18:05
ryanpetrellonothing much on my end18:06
ryanpetrelloa couple minor reviews in flight if anybody has some cycles18:06
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ryanpetrellookay, if nobody has anything else :)18:10
ryanpetrello#endmeeting18:10
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kevinbentonYOLO20:58
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armaxkevinbenton: yawn20:58
kevinbenton#mondays20:58
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blogan\o20:59
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annphello20:59
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kevinbentono/ \o \o o/20:59
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kevinbentondougwig: wake up!21:00
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armax#startmeeting networking21:00
yamahatahi21:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Jul 25 21:00:12 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is armax. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.21:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'networking'21:00
mlavalleo/21:00
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amotokihi21:00
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Sam-I-Amhelllooooooo21:00
hichiharahi21:00
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pc_mo/21:00
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dasmis it me, or it's quiet?21:01
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armax#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings21:01
Sam-I-Amits party time21:01
armax#topic Announcements21:01
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ihrachyso/21:02
armaxif you haven’t done so21:02
armaxplease cast your vote on;21:02
armaxhttps://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSevnzF9z4a9jiXy8w8MRvvmXVmexK5QCxphOoFaOhBuaj9INw/viewform?c=0&w=121:02
dougwigi guess it's better choices than hilary or trump.21:02
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kevinbentondougwig: TOO SOON!21:03
Sam-I-Amyou forgot the cow21:03
armaxany other announcement/reminder from the team?21:03
Sam-I-Amcows are trendy21:03
mlavallearmax: the mid-cycle in Cork, Ireland21:03
armaxSam-I-Am: it was not prposed I don’t think21:03
armaxmlavalle: good point21:03
Sukhdevo/21:03
armaxmlavalle: HenryG and I would be working on a schedule and share it with the team in the next couple of days21:03
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armax#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-neutron-midcycle21:04
armaxfor updates21:04
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* Sam-I-Am couldnt go due to family things21:04
Sam-I-Ambut i should be around if i'm needed for docs-y things.21:04
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kevinbentonSam-I-Am: i shall complain about dvr in your place21:05
Sam-I-Amkevinbenton: isnt that what records my tv shows?21:05
SukhdevI like the etherpad - all the fun stuff is on the top21:05
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armax#topic Blueprints21:05
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armax#link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/newton-321:05
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armaxthere are a bunch of blueprints that are sitting idle in the queue21:06
ihrachysarmax: it's interesting that no downtime is High while objects are Low, while the latter are a prereq for the former.21:07
armaxif you are an approver/assignee of the blueprint please consider writing a few notes on the whiteboard providing a status update21:07
dasmihrachys: come on. no one cares about objects. everyone cares about no downtime :)21:07
armaxihrachys: we can revisit the priorities if need be21:08
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armaxif you are an approver/assignee of a blueprint, or you’re simply interested in the effort and see no progress, please reach out to me21:09
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armaxand we can figure out where the blocker is, if there’s one21:09
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armaxblueprints without an updated dashboard will most likely not make to Newton at this point21:10
armaxwe’re slowly running out of time21:11
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armaxunless they are meant to track an ongoing multi-cycle effort that is21:11
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kevinbentonack21:13
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armaxok, moving on21:13
armax#topic Bugs21:13
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mlavallehi21:14
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armaxmlavalle: hi21:14
mlavalleI was the bugs deputy this past week21:14
armaxmlavalle: anything worth raising attention?21:14
mlavalleWe have to review the critical bug we have: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/154098321:14
openstackLaunchpad bug 1540983 in OpenStack-Gate "Gate failures for neutron in test_dualnet_multi_prefix_slaac" [Undecided,Expired]21:14
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armaxmlavalle: that has been lurking around fo a while21:15
mlavallethere's been 24 ocurrences over the past 7 days21:15
mlavallebut it has slowed down since the 22nd21:15
armaxI attempted to skip the test in the past21:15
armaxhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/275457/21:15
armaxbut it looks like the qa folks are happy to keep the neutron gate broken21:16
armaxin liue of someone fixing the issue21:16
armaxI recall that haleyb volunteered once to look into it :)21:16
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mlavalleok, I didn't want that one to fall through the cracks21:17
armaxit looks like there’s bug #1604370 filed by jlibosva21:17
openstackbug 1604370 in neutron "functional: test_legacy_router_ns_rebuild is unstable" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/160437021:17
electrocucarachashouldn't cirros has a user cirros and password cubswin:)?21:17
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armaxmlavalle: well me neither21:17
kevinbentonthat should be fixed by otherwiseguy's patch21:17
armaxkevinbenton: link?21:17
kevinbentonone sec21:17
armaxhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/344859/21:18
kevinbentonhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/344859/21:18
armaxack21:18
kevinbentonwell now you made me look stupid21:18
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kevinbenton:)21:18
armaxno21:18
armaxyou were simply slower21:18
armaxslower != stupid21:18
otherwiseguynot "slow"21:18
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otherwiseguyjust slow21:18
armaxI look stupid for asking :)21:18
kevinbentonotherwiseguy: can you update your patch to also say it closes bug 160437021:19
openstackbug 1604370 in neutron "functional: test_legacy_router_ns_rebuild is unstable" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1604370 - Assigned to Terry Wilson (otherwiseguy)21:19
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otherwiseguykevinbenton: sure.21:19
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armaxcan we get the L2 cores to look on it please?21:19
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otherwiseguykevinbenton: done21:20
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armaxour integrated gate looks relatively quiet this week21:21
armaxwell done to ihrachys and kevinbenton for nailing the mtu issue on the grenade jobs21:21
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armaxthough I take it right back because they broke the linuxbridge job in the process21:21
armax:)21:21
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ihrachysI was away smoking when it happened!!!21:21
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armaxihrachys: your absence makes you just as guilty!21:22
kevinbentonyeah, need to work with sc68cal to figure out how to get that change into devstack again21:22
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armaxmlavalle: anything else you want to add?21:22
ihrachyskevinbenton: at least we should always get neutron CI including experimental check before landing anything in devstack21:22
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mlavallearmax: nope, that's it21:23
kevinbentonihrachys: definitely21:23
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armaxwe have 789 bugs filed since the Newton timeframe, right now we have 39 new and 104 unassigned21:23
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armaxwe should try and squash these numbers during the mid-cycle21:24
kevinbenton+121:24
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armaxany volunteer for next week’s deputy role?21:24
mlavalleI thinl we already have one21:24
armaxihrachys: you wanted to suggest an improvement to the process, you want to bring it up now?21:25
mlavalleihrachys: somebody volunteered last week, right?21:25
armaxmlavalle: we have kuba for this week21:25
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armaxwe need one for the week of Aug 1st21:25
armaxI don’t see one here:21:25
armax#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings#Bug_deputy21:25
ihrachysarmax: we "discussed" it before, and I think I just need to push a devref patch for everyone to have a place to comment21:25
electrocucarachaI would like to volunteer myself for next week21:25
ihrachysarmax: we == on the prev meeting21:26
ihrachysthat you skip :P21:26
armaxihrachys: I am guilty I did not review the logs last week21:26
kevinbentonyou mean the other neutron team? :)21:26
ihrachyshaha21:26
armaxelectrocucaracha: what’s your lp handle?21:26
ihrachysmlavalle: I don't think we had anyone.21:27
ihrachyspeople are shy!21:27
electrocucarachaI need to check but I guess that it's electrocucaracha21:27
armaxwe should give ourselves different names otherwise it gets confusing21:27
mlavalleelectrocucaracha: read this in preparation: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/neutron/policies/bugs.html21:27
electrocucarachathanks mlavalle, I'll do it21:27
Sam-I-Amelectrocucaracha: you get a bottle of scotch too21:27
armaxhttps://launchpad.net/~electrocucaracha21:27
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armaxok, I found you21:27
electrocucarachayes, that one21:27
armax#action electrocucaracha deputy for the week of Aug 1st21:28
electrocucarachaSam-I-Am: :)21:28
armaxok, anything else bug related?21:28
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kevinbentonhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/cirros/+bug/160583221:28
openstackLaunchpad bug 1605832 in CirrOS "no 8021q support" [Undecided,New]21:28
kevinbentoni'm not sure if anyone is directly involved with CirrOs21:28
kevinbentonor knows someone who is21:29
armaxkevinbenton: nice one21:29
kevinbentonbut it would be nice if we can get some feedback on that21:29
kevinbentonso we can have a path to tempest scenario vlan-aware-vms tests21:29
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armaxkevinbenton: yes indeed21:29
Sam-I-Amkicking the can down the road - https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/152303121:30
openstackLaunchpad bug 1523031 in openstack-ansible trunk "Neighbor table entry for router missing with Linux bridge + L3HA + L2 population" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Jesse Pretorius (jesse-pretorius)21:30
armax#topic Docs21:30
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armaxSam-I-Am: anything worth sharing?21:30
Sam-I-Amwell, the neutron version of that bug21:30
Sam-I-Amarmax: yeah, i'm reorganizing the networking guide21:30
armaxSam-I-Am: you ready to handle the volume of docs patches coming your way?21:31
Sam-I-Am#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/345110/21:31
armaxSam-I-Am:  ack21:31
Sam-I-Ami'd like to get that merged before this wave of patches you speak of21:31
Sam-I-Amalso curious about this wave21:31
Sam-I-Amits been a pretty steady stream21:31
armaxSam-I-Am: anyone specifically you’d like to involve in the review?21:31
Sam-I-Amreview of the reorg?21:32
armaxSam-I-Am: ya21:32
armaxbesides me, as I see21:32
Sam-I-Amyou and edgar are on it, and sean21:32
armaxand mestery21:32
armaxok21:33
Sam-I-Amanyone else is welcome to chime in21:33
johnsomSam-I-Am Did you see my IRC about the LBaaS docs being messed up?21:33
Sam-I-Amjohnsom: no, where?21:33
Sam-I-Amor is this a continuation of the octavia mess21:33
amotokiSam-I-Am: one question. most contents currently added are still about mitaka. doen't it make it difficult to backport?21:33
johnsomI will send you a link direct.  Somehow the LBaaSv1 and v2 docs got merged21:33
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Sam-I-Amamotoki: yeah, it gets more interesting. thats why i'm trying to do this after mitaka and before most of the newton content, if possible21:34
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johnsomSam-I-Am http://developer.openstack.org/api-ref/networking/v2-ext/#lbaas-1-0-deprecated-lb-vips-health-monitors-pools-members21:34
Sam-I-Ami can always patch mitaka stuff directly21:34
amotokiSam-I-Am: thanks. N-3 is approaching. it sounds a good timing to me.21:34
Sam-I-Amamotoki: yeah, just need a few +1s from the neutron crowd, then push it through docs21:35
Sam-I-Amjohnsom: oh, api docs.21:35
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amotokijohnsom: api-ref needs to be clean up.21:36
Sam-I-Amarmax: once the reorg merges, i want to update some of the scenarios21:36
amotokii shared api-ref clean up virtual sprint last week. I have to coordinate the date.21:36
johnsomYeah, they were two sections, but somehow it got merged into one, in a bad way21:36
Sam-I-Amthere's progress, its just slow (as usual)21:36
Sam-I-Amjohnsom: i'm not much of an api docs guy (yet)21:36
amotokijohnsom: let me check the bug you pointed out,21:37
armaxamotoki: regarding the api-ref21:37
armaxthe rendering here:21:37
armaxhttp://developer.openstack.org/api-ref/networking/21:37
Sam-I-Amthere might also be some more reorg later, but less drastic21:37
Sam-I-Amprimary objective was getting all the stuff out of advanced config21:37
armaxlooks mixed up with the versions of the repo in which they are defined21:37
armaxthe links look broken but so are for other projects AFAIK21:38
amotokiarmax: I think the common theme for api-ref has been updated.21:38
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armaxamotoki: ok21:39
armaxthanks21:39
armaxif there’s nothing else, let’s move to the next topic of the meeting21:39
armax#topic OSC21:39
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amotokilet me discuss the virtual sprint for api-ref?21:39
armaxamotoki: sure21:39
armax#undo21:39
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armaxamotoki: go ahead21:39
amotokione idea is to do it next week21:40
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amotokiand if there are more to be discussed, we can discuss it in the midcycle or somewhere.21:40
amotokihow about the next week?21:41
ihrachyssadly I am off to a conference next week21:41
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amotokiI am not sticking a specific week, but we can start it gradually.21:42
armaxamotoki: next week sounds good, we should is there a list of changes that are already up for review?21:42
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armaxscrap the ‘we should’ part21:43
amotokiarmax: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/330890/ is a prepation21:43
armaxamotoki: ack21:43
hichiharaI'm OK about next week21:43
amotokiand this is the announce mail last week http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-July/099558.html21:43
amotokii will send a follow up mail.21:44
amotokilet's move on the next21:44
armaxok21:44
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armax#topic OSC21:45
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armaxamotoki: anything worth sharing?21:45
amotokino special update from me.21:45
rtheisosc network rbac create and delete commands are ready for review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/346705/21:45
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armaxamotoki: I did look into OSC and neutronclient in the context of vlan-aware-vms21:45
amotokii will review through related patches this week from the point of view of OSC guideline.21:45
armaxit looks like all the building blocks are there21:46
rtheisamotoki: I will plan to do the same21:46
armaxI was talking to rtheis this morning that we might want to consider capping osc and osc-lib in global requirements21:46
armaxbecause right now some external plugins end up depending on both21:46
armaxand I assume python-openstackclient to be less stable than osc-lib21:46
rtheisarmax: I plan to discuss that with dtroyer and stevemar21:47
armaxrtheis: thanks21:47
rtheisyw21:47
rtheisnothing else from me21:48
armaxrtheis: keep me posted, pls :)21:48
rtheiswill do21:48
armaxrtheis: btw21:48
armaxrtheis: is there any way to hide certain commands if the functionality is not available?21:48
armaxrtheis: is there any way you’d like us to handle this?21:48
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rtheisarmax: is this in the context of an extension not being available?21:49
armaxrtheis: I always hated to see a generic 404 error from Neutron when a client command cannot be executed correctly because of a lack of an extension21:49
armaxyes21:49
armaxI suppose 404 is still pertinent, but a nicer message would be more friendly21:49
rtheisarmax: I'm not aware of a generic way to handle this21:50
armaxrtheis: I guess the same applies to entire services21:50
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armaxrtheis: no?21:50
rtheisthat is, we haven't implemented that21:50
amotokii have the similar feeling.21:50
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rtheisdoes neutronclient do anything today?21:50
armaxrtheis: nope21:50
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kevinbentonmaybe server side we can give a different error message in the body if the 404 is because an extension is gone?21:50
amotokiis it better to check a required  extension?21:50
armaxkevinbenton: I think the 404 is thrown by the policy engine21:51
amotokii think it is returned by 'route' framework.21:51
kevinbentonor the client can detect a 404 and do a required extension check in the exception handler21:51
armaxamotoki, rtheis: all I wanted to raise now is whether this is something worth looking into21:51
amotokiarmax: agree21:51
rtheisI think it is worth looking into21:51
armaxrtheis: and make it avaiable in osc-lib somehow21:52
armaxas it can be potentially reused across a wider set of use cases21:52
amotokiregaring osc, somthing like "openstack help networking" would be nice to show netwokring related commands only.21:52
rtheissure, I'll make a note to ask21:52
armaxrtheis: thanks a lot!21:52
amotokiwe see too many commands from 'openstack help' :-(21:52
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armaxamotoki: I am not suggesting to hide commands if the server side is misisng21:53
dasmamotoki: ++. grep helps, but not always21:53
armaxbut perhaps we can figure out a better way to gracefully fail21:53
amotokiarmax: perhaps I understand your point. better error message.21:54
amotokimy last comment is another one. sorry for confusion.21:54
armaxamotoki: something like that, no worries, we’ll get this nailed21:54
armax:)21:54
armaxshall we move on to keystone v3?21:54
amotokisure21:55
armaxwe have a few minutes left and I know dasm and HenryG have some update for us21:55
dasmquick reminder: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-stadium-tenant2project21:55
armax#topic Keystone v321:55
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manjeets__amotoki: openstack pattern ?21:55
dasmthis is list of all db changes21:55
dasmchanges need more reviews, some of them are already merged.21:55
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armaxdasm: I was going to sit down with HenryG tomorrow to go over the list21:56
dasmneutron change is blocked by queue of subprojects.21:56
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dasmarmax: ok21:56
amotokido we need to merge patches for all stadium projects first?21:56
armaxdasm: ack, anything we can look into right now for you?21:56
dougwigwhich subprojects?21:56
dasmamotoki: armax decided, that subprojects should be merged before neutron change.21:56
dasmarmax: just in general. i'm trying to update/resolve merge conflicts when something appears.21:57
armaxit doesn’t help that the gate is at ~500 jobs21:57
armaxdasm: ok, but we’re pretty much ready to roll?21:57
dasmneutron stadium projects are in queue. "other projects" noted by HenryG are not ready yet.21:58
amotokii think 'related projects' are best-effort.21:58
armaxyes21:58
dougwigi don't think we should wait for non-stadium projects.21:58
armaxlet’s share this etherpad again on the ML21:59
dasmok21:59
armaxdasm: thanks for pulling this off, kudos!21:59
armaxok folks we’re at time21:59
armaxnext week ihrachys_ is out21:59
armaxso someone else will have to run the meeting21:59
armaxdon’t be surprised21:59
armax:)22:00
armaxit’s not a third neutron team coming alive22:00
armax#endmeeting22:00
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dasmthanks all22:00
hichiharabye22:00
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namnhbye22:00
manjeets__thanks22:00
electrocucarachathanks bye22:00
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amotokithanks22:00
sbelousbye22:00
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annp_Thanks bye22:01
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