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| oneswig | Lets get this show on the road | 09:01 |
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| oneswig | #startmeeting scientific_wg | 09:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 20 09:01:16 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oneswig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: scientific_wg)" | 09:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'scientific_wg' | 09:01 |
| oneswig | Hello | 09:01 |
| apdibbo | Hi | 09:01 |
| oneswig | We have an agenda (such as it is) | 09:01 |
| dariov | Hello! | 09:02 |
| oneswig | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_working_group#IRC_Meeting_July_20th_2016 | 09:02 |
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| oneswig | Hi dariov apdibbo | 09:02 |
| oneswig | Topics today from the agenda: | 09:03 |
| priteau | Hello | 09:03 |
| oneswig | 1) Update on user stories activities | 09:03 |
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| oneswig | 2) anything from other activity areas (esp parallel filesystems this week) | 09:03 |
| oneswig | 3) hypervisor tuning guide solicitation | 09:03 |
| oneswig | 4) speaker track and wg activities for barcelona | 09:04 |
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| oneswig | BTW I've heard from b1airo he's going to join shortly | 09:04 |
| oneswig | Hi priteau | 09:04 |
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| oneswig | #topic Update on user stories activities | 09:05 |
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| oneswig | I've been working away on this white paper for OpenStack and HPC, not much to report on that right now other than progress is being made | 09:06 |
| oneswig | I forget what was discussed on this two weeks ago... | 09:06 |
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| oneswig | The next phase is solicitation of subject matter experts to provide input, review and comment | 09:07 |
| oneswig | To recap there are five principal subjects | 09:07 |
| oneswig | 1) HPC and virtualisation | 09:08 |
| oneswig | 2) HPC parallel filesystems | 09:08 |
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| oneswig | 3) HPC worklaod managers | 09:08 |
| oneswig | 4) HPC infrastructure management | 09:08 |
| oneswig | 5) HPC network fabrics | 09:08 |
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| oneswig | virtualisation is actually half about bare metal | 09:09 |
| oneswig | Anyone interested in contributing on these areas? | 09:09 |
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| oneswig | I have people in mind for many items but not all | 09:09 |
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| oneswig | OK, don't all shout at once :-) | 09:11 |
| dariov | lol | 09:11 |
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| oneswig | no problem, I think we have plenty to go on as it is | 09:11 |
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| oneswig | More generally, is there activity with any of you that might convert well into a user story? | 09:12 |
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| dariov | 3 and 4 do interest us | 09:14 |
| oneswig | At Cambridge our bioinformatics deployment is in early trials but it's HA is less reliable than a non-HA deployment right now... | 09:14 |
| dariov | we’re trying to move some of the hpc on-prem to the cloud | 09:14 |
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| dariov | (possibly openstack, possibly AWS, but that’s another story) | 09:14 |
| apdibbo | we are in early trials with openstack for HTC | 09:14 |
| dariov | but no direct knowledge so far | 09:14 |
| oneswig | dariov: interesting to know, and why constrain to one at this point | 09:14 |
| dariov | or trials whatsoever | 09:15 |
| dariov | on ostack we’re limited by our own resources now | 09:15 |
| dariov | and eventually people landing on the openstack land for the first time tend to develop cloud-friendly apps since the beginning | 09:15 |
| dariov | so no real need for HPC solutions there | 09:16 |
| dariov | as they usually deploy their own orchestration layer | 09:16 |
| oneswig | dariov: I've seen use of ManageIQ for abstracting away private OpenStack vs AWS | 09:17 |
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| dariov | onewswig, I think we tried it back in October to “rule all the clouds”, we also have VMware on site | 09:17 |
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| priteau | oneswig: One of our partners on Chameleon, Ohio State University, is using Chameleon to work on high performance networking in virtualized environments: http://mvapich.cse.ohio-state.edu/overview/#mv2v | 09:17 |
| oneswig | dariov: if you document your journey I'd be interested to read it | 09:18 |
| dariov | oneswig, where are you based, exacltly? | 09:18 |
| dariov | *exactly? | 09:18 |
| oneswig | priteau: That's pretty cool, I hadn't made the connection, but I know the work at OSU it's good stuff | 09:18 |
| oneswig | dariov: I'm based in Bristol but working in Cambridge | 09:19 |
| dariov | ah ah! | 09:19 |
| dariov | Hello from the Genome Campus in Hinxton, Cambrigeshire, UK, then :-) | 09:19 |
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| priteau | oneswig: I can get you in touch if you want | 09:19 |
| oneswig | Small world :-) | 09:19 |
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| oneswig | priteau: I would appreciate that. I've previously mailed with DK Panda but only once or twice. A connected introduction for this work would be a great help | 09:20 |
| dariov | oneswig, yes. We can also have a cup of coffee together one day, it would be cool to see how other people are making this journey :-) | 09:20 |
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| oneswig | #action Cambridge-centric OpenStack meetup needed! | 09:21 |
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| oneswig | I'm in town next week midweek. You around? | 09:21 |
| oneswig | Let's take this offline :-) | 09:21 |
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| oneswig | Anything else to add on user stories? | 09:21 |
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| oneswig | #topic Bare metal | 09:23 |
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| oneswig | I don't actually have anything here but Pierre I recall you were more active than me w.r.t Ironic serial consoles. Any news there? | 09:23 |
| priteau | We are working on backporting the patch to our installation (we're still on Liberty) and will soon test it | 09:24 |
| priteau | I believe there was some progress upstream, as the multiple implementations seem to have merged into one, and I saw at least one patch being merged in master | 09:25 |
| oneswig | that's great. Is this a patch to Nova as well? | 09:25 |
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| priteau | this one: https://github.com/openstack/ironic/commit/cb2da13d15bf72755880e7a8e6881e5180e2e29f | 09:26 |
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| b1airo | evening | 09:26 |
| oneswig | Hi b1airo | 09:26 |
| oneswig | #chair b1airo | 09:26 |
| openstack | Current chairs: b1airo oneswig | 09:26 |
| oneswig | Just on bare metal, hpfs next | 09:27 |
| priteau | as far as I know it's all in Ironic, no change to nova | 09:27 |
| priteau | Another interesting thing that happened recently with bare-metal: support for network multitenancy is being integrated in Ironic | 09:28 |
| b1airo | yeah we talked a bit about that last week actually | 09:28 |
| priteau | e.g. https://github.com/openstack/ironic/commit/090ba640d9187ec6bee157ce8f1cf12ce6a868ca | 09:28 |
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| b1airo | or at least touched on it | 09:28 |
| b1airo | i was asking about requirements for new OOB network we will be doing soon | 09:29 |
| priteau | I haven't seen proper documentation yet so I don't know how it works and what kind of network support it requires | 09:29 |
| b1airo | i was surprised to find out that Ironic-Neutron integration seems relatively new | 09:29 |
| oneswig | It seems to be sufficiently far upstream that there's limited support and limited docs but hopefully it'll grow! | 09:29 |
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| oneswig | b1airo: I think one major obstacle is that Ironic requires physical network knowledge, something that OpenStack has been in wilful denial over | 09:30 |
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| oneswig | If your moving activities normally done into a hypervisor into a network port, you need to know which port (and possibly the paths to it) | 09:31 |
| oneswig | Enter the Neo :-) | 09:31 |
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| priteau | for now the only doc I see is for devstack where the bare-metal servers are actually VMs | 09:32 |
| oneswig | priteau: I'd previously seen an Arista driver that was doing bare metal multi-tenancy and required LLDP to make the connection with a physical switch+port | 09:32 |
| oneswig | But that work is now very much out of date I expect | 09:33 |
| oneswig | Anyway, it's great to see this documentation merged, thanks priteau for sharing that | 09:35 |
| priteau | it looks like in this new implementation they extended the API to add the physical port info, I suppose managed by the admin | 09:35 |
| priteau | e.g. https://github.com/openstack/ironic/commit/76726c6a3feda8419724d09c777e7bb578d82ec0#diff-2526370ba29c4ac923f13218952a32c3R167 | 09:35 |
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| oneswig | ooh, interesting. | 09:35 |
| priteau | I will keep an eye on what they are doing and will share what I learn | 09:35 |
| oneswig | Maintaining the physical mapping - an exercise for the reader? | 09:36 |
| oneswig | Any more for bare metal? | 09:36 |
| priteau | not from me | 09:37 |
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| oneswig | #topic Parallel Filesystems | 09:37 |
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| b1airo | is just the three of us at the moment? | 09:38 |
| oneswig | I think 5-6? | 09:38 |
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| b1airo | ah ok, a few lurkers then :-) | 09:39 |
| priteau | apdibbo and dariov were talking earlier | 09:39 |
| apdibbo | yeah, i'm still here | 09:39 |
| dariov | I’m here too! | 09:39 |
| apdibbo | just dont have much to contribute on bare metal, interesting developments though :) | 09:39 |
| dariov | same here | 09:40 |
| oneswig | There was quite a bit of interest to Blair's mail on the lists about discussion parallel filesystems for cloud hpc | 09:40 |
| oneswig | Seems like an idea with momentum behind it | 09:41 |
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| b1airo | yeah was nice to have such quick feedback | 09:41 |
| b1airo | pity i didn't think of it earlier, such is the life of a procrastinator | 09:41 |
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| oneswig | Any parallel filesystem users or interested potential users here today? | 09:42 |
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| oneswig | b1airo: for our benefit perhaps we should talk over the WG panel session | 09:43 |
| b1airo | only news here is that we got LNET with o2ib over RoCE via PCI pass-through virtual function NICs in guests going last week, for our new deployment | 09:44 |
| oneswig | Nice! | 09:44 |
| b1airo | say that sentence ten times fast | 09:44 |
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| oneswig | I bet you had it pre-typed out :-) | 09:44 |
| b1airo | got it bound to a hot key ;-) | 09:45 |
| oneswig | What issues did you hit on the way? | 09:45 |
| b1airo | this deployment is full of ConnectX-4 and ConnectX-4 Lx | 09:46 |
| oneswig | b1airo: Is that considered an issue? | 09:46 |
| b1airo | the firmware in MOFED 3.2-1.0.1 (i think that's right) seems to have an issue. we've had a handful of nodes just "lose" their NICs | 09:46 |
| b1airo | i.e. all traffic stops passing on them and can't do anything to fix it, even resetting the pci device | 09:47 |
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| b1airo | on reboot the card is completely absent | 09:47 |
| oneswig | Ah, we moved to 3.3 - there's a security advisory against 3.2. Plus we had loads of issues getting link up | 09:47 |
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| b1airo | i.e., not visible in lspci | 09:47 |
| oneswig | b1airo: interestingly your issues are completely disjoint from ours, yet we both appear to have many | 09:48 |
| b1airo | we have upgraded a few to 3.3.xxx and that seems to have sorted it | 09:48 |
| b1airo | orly!? | 09:48 |
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| b1airo | where is that advisory published? | 09:48 |
| b1airo | i have a support case open about it and they haven't mentioned that | 09:48 |
| oneswig | OFED 3.3 release notes is where I saw it - was wondering why it's no longer on the website | 09:49 |
| dariov | guys, I need to run | 09:49 |
| oneswig | later dariov, thanks | 09:49 |
| dariov | bye! | 09:49 |
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| b1airo | anyway, that issue was just a distraction, main issue was needing to get client Lustre modules built by Intel for the particular kernel + MOFED combination in the guest compute nodes | 09:49 |
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| b1airo | bye! | 09:49 |
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| b1airo | after that just simple LNET config | 09:50 |
| oneswig | Is your process blogged anywhere, perchance...? | 09:50 |
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| b1airo | the Intel Manager for Lustre (IML) doesn't understand RoCE though, so if you're configuring things server-side you need to manually edit one of the network config files to make it use o2ib, else it assumes tcp (because ethernet) | 09:51 |
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| b1airo | no, but that's probably a good idea - it is documented internally reasonably well now so should be easy enough | 09:52 |
| oneswig | Share and enjoy, b1airo! | 09:52 |
| oneswig | OK, we should move on | 09:53 |
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| b1airo | remaining issue is that we reconfigured the filesystem, into two separate filesystems (projects and scratch). and now we seem to be peaking at ~80MB/s for single client/thread writes... which is a little low! | 09:53 |
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| oneswig | b1airo: for that effort, I would say so. Is there a gigabit ethernet somewhere in the data path??? | 09:54 |
| b1airo | it's a mix of 25, 50 (compute/client side) and 100 (server) | 09:55 |
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| b1airo | same issue with bare-metal clients so it isn't the passthrough or anything like that | 09:55 |
| b1airo | initial acceptance tests were just fine | 09:55 |
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| b1airo | haven't looked into it yet myself, distracted with other issues as per recent os-ops posts | 09:56 |
| oneswig | SMARTD errors on your disks perhaps? | 09:56 |
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| oneswig | Right, let's move on | 09:56 |
| oneswig | #topic Any Other Business | 09:56 |
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| oneswig | What news? | 09:57 |
| b1airo | they're all dell MDs so unlikley | 09:57 |
| b1airo | Trump got the republican nomination? | 09:57 |
| oneswig | You raise that with 3 MINUTES to discuss? | 09:57 |
| b1airo | haha | 09:58 |
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| priteau | oneswig: Is this the Hypervisor Tuning Guide? https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/HypervisorTuningGuide | 09:58 |
| b1airo | yep | 09:58 |
| priteau | I had never seen it before | 09:58 |
| b1airo | yeah it's not well promoted or linked anywhere | 09:59 |
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| b1airo | i'm hoping we can figure out something sensible to do with it | 09:59 |
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| oneswig | Are you officially it's custodian b1airo? | 09:59 |
| b1airo | maybe look at converting to doc format next cycle | 09:59 |
| b1airo | something like that, but all the work so far has been done by Joe Topjian | 10:00 |
| b1airo | i think the initial idea was to turn it into a standalone doc | 10:00 |
| priteau | b1airo: maybe merge it into http://docs.openstack.org/ops-guide/arch_compute_nodes.html | 10:01 |
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| b1airo | but seems like it's hard to find info on other hypervisors that would bulk out the content enough to justify that | 10:01 |
| b1airo | priteau, good suggestion | 10:01 |
| b1airo | i was also thinking probably the ops guide | 10:01 |
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| oneswig | It's more operational than architectural I'd guess | 10:02 |
| b1airo | yeah, though some of the things covered are probably things you want to be thinking about before you buy your hardware | 10:03 |
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| oneswig | I found CERN's study that Hyper-V outperforms KVM relevant - a pity there isn't more diversity in the guide as-is if KVM's not the fastest thing out there | 10:03 |
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| priteau | or in the Operations part of the Ops Guide, it could be a new page about troubleshooting performance problems | 10:04 |
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| oneswig | ah, we are over time | 10:05 |
| oneswig | Any final comments? | 10:05 |
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| b1airo | NUMA matters! | 10:05 |
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| oneswig | One from me - appears we have 8 sessions allocated for Barcelona summit | 10:05 |
| oneswig | hooray! | 10:06 |
| oneswig | Got to wrap up now, thanks everyone | 10:06 |
| b1airo | yeah time for me to look at the proposals | 10:06 |
| b1airo | bfn! | 10:06 |
| apdibbo | bye | 10:06 |
| oneswig | Until next time | 10:06 |
| oneswig | #endmeeting | 10:06 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 20 10:06:53 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 10:06 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2016/scientific_wg.2016-07-20-09.01.html | 10:06 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2016/scientific_wg.2016-07-20-09.01.txt | 10:06 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2016/scientific_wg.2016-07-20-09.01.log.html | 10:06 |
| priteau | bye everyone | 10:07 |
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| coreycb | #startmeeting requirements | 12:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 20 12:00:34 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is coreycb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 12:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 12:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: requirements)" | 12:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'requirements' | 12:00 |
| coreycb | #topic rollcall | 12:00 |
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| coreycb | o/ | 12:00 |
| number80 | o/ | 12:00 |
| dirk | o/ | 12:00 |
| coolsvap | o/ | 12:00 |
| toabctl | hi | 12:01 |
| coreycb | hey everyone | 12:01 |
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| prometheanfire | o/ | 12:01 |
| coreycb | #topic Any controversies in the Queue? | 12:02 |
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| coreycb | the queue seems to be fairly uncontroversial atm | 12:02 |
| coreycb | anyone have anything to bring up ? | 12:02 |
| prometheanfire | oslo-context still :P | 12:02 |
| coolsvap | oslo.context | 12:02 |
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| coolsvap | we need to follow up with jamie with the proposed pathc | 12:03 |
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| coolsvap | there are two different patches proposed and different nova patch in between | 12:03 |
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| coolsvap | a patch from tonyb https://review.openstack.org/342603 and a patch from jamie https://review.openstack.org/344509 | 12:04 |
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| coolsvap | based on nova patch merge we can decide | 12:05 |
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| coreycb | #action follow up with jamie on oslo.context patches | 12:06 |
| coolsvap | yup | 12:06 |
| dirk | who takes the action? | 12:06 |
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| coolsvap | i will do | 12:07 |
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| * coolsvap is not mr. follow though | 12:07 | |
| coreycb | thanks coolsvap | 12:07 |
| coreycb | #action coolsvap to follow up with jamie on oslo.context patches | 12:07 |
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| coreycb | anything else for controversies? | 12:08 |
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| coreycb | it looks like we have a separate optional-requirements agenda item | 12:08 |
| coolsvap | nothing else from my side | 12:08 |
| coreycb | we'll get to that in a bit | 12:08 |
| number80 | not really, unless we have news from monasca | 12:08 |
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| number80 | I haven't seen any discussions on the list about their previous patchsets | 12:09 |
| odyssey4me | o/ | 12:09 |
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| coolsvap | coreycb: can we talk about the topic u-c for setuptools and sometimes wheel proposed by odyssey4me | 12:10 |
| coreycb | sounds good | 12:10 |
| number80 | *nods* | 12:10 |
| prometheanfire | odyssey4me: go on :P | 12:11 |
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| odyssey4me | oh, you're ready now? | 12:11 |
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| odyssey4me | I thought other things were in discussion? | 12:11 |
| coolsvap | odyssey4me: it was the first topic | 12:11 |
| odyssey4me | ah ok, apologies | 12:11 |
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| coolsvap | #topic u-c for setuptools and sometimes wheel - odyssey4me | 12:12 |
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| odyssey4me | right ok - so one of the things we've found to be important in ensuring repeatable build results is to ensure that the same version of pip, setuptools and wheel are used to build and install python wheels | 12:12 |
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| coreycb | coolsvap, ah, sorry I missed that agenda item | 12:12 |
| odyssey4me | we make use of the u-c and g-r files to provide the range for our wheel builds | 12:12 |
| odyssey4me | by 'we' I mean the OpenStack-Ansible project | 12:13 |
| number80 | ack | 12:13 |
| odyssey4me | this is an important part of our build process for building OpenStack from source | 12:13 |
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| odyssey4me | I am also aware of some package maintainers who make use of g-r and u-c to determine the appropriate range of python packages when building their packages. | 12:13 |
| odyssey4me | at the moment, pip, setuptools and wheel are not in g-r and therefore not in u-c | 12:14 |
| odyssey4me | well, I think they actually are - but a pip freeze doesn't output any of them except maybe wheel | 12:14 |
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| coolsvap | odyssey4me: based on the discussion we had at channel, it was previously attempted but did not work | 12:15 |
| odyssey4me | I'd like to propose some changes to the tooling to ensure that these packages are in the u-c file so that we don't have to manage them ourselves seperately. | 12:15 |
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| odyssey4me | And hopefully other projects can choose to consume them as well. | 12:15 |
| number80 | odyssey4me: as a distro wrangler I don't mind having an upper bound if it's not too old versions | 12:16 |
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| coreycb | odyssey4me, I think it makes sense to add them, but I don't know the history of why they were removed | 12:16 |
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| number80 | I'd rather keep compatibility with old versions as pip/wheel/setuptools don't change often in distro | 12:16 |
| odyssey4me | number80 I expect that you would want the upper-bound to be the same upper-bound that was used to test OpenStack? | 12:16 |
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| number80 | odyssey4me: works for me, but old versions will penalize some other distro (not my case though) | 12:17 |
| number80 | in u-c I mean | 12:17 |
| number80 | but having them is u-c is okay | 12:17 |
| coolsvap | odyssey4me: I think a POC is very much what everyone would like to see | 12:17 |
| dirk | its still good to document in u-c what has been used for testing | 12:17 |
| number80 | *nods* | 12:17 |
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| prometheanfire | for my distro we won't have issues keeping old/new around as long as no sec bugs exist | 12:18 |
| odyssey4me | ok - I just wanted to give a heads up and make sure there was no violent opposal | 12:18 |
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| number80 | odyssey4me: none, as long as we keep an honest range :) | 12:18 |
| prometheanfire | odyssey4me: with it's history we just don't know if this will be a tarpit to get added :P | 12:18 |
| coreycb | odyssey4me, thanks | 12:19 |
| odyssey4me | so an option we could always consider is simply adding these special cases as a comment in U-C, rather than as an actual requirement | 12:19 |
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| odyssey4me | that would then allow downstream consumers of U-C to optionally consume them if desired | 12:19 |
| odyssey4me | as long as the format is consistent, it's easy to consume | 12:19 |
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| prometheanfire | comment would mean no autoupdates, don't think that's a standard consumption method | 12:20 |
| odyssey4me | yeah, I just thought it might be a way to appease the naysayers ;) | 12:21 |
| odyssey4me | anyway, let me put a u-c patch up and let's see what happens :) | 12:21 |
| coreycb | odyssey4me, +1 | 12:21 |
| coolsvap | odyssey4me: yes that would be first step +1 | 12:21 |
| prometheanfire | cool | 12:22 |
| prometheanfire | I'd start with wheel before pip | 12:22 |
| odyssey4me | I expect that it may be useful to have the nodepool images consume U-C to improve the stability of builds... but that's a patch for afterwards | 12:22 |
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| coreycb | ok I'm going to move on to the next topic | 12:22 |
| odyssey4me | Part of the objective here is to try and avoid issues which we've all seen happen with pip, setuptools and wheel when they release versions which break things. | 12:22 |
| odyssey4me | ok, thanks for the time and support | 12:23 |
| prometheanfire | ok | 12:23 |
| coreycb | thanks odyssey4me | 12:23 |
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| coolsvap | odyssey4me: thanks for bringing it up in meeting and looking forward to your patch | 12:23 |
| coreycb | #topic Review Queue cleanup | 12:23 |
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| coreycb | #link https://review.openstack.org/338205 | 12:23 |
| prometheanfire | that shows as abandoned to me | 12:24 |
| coreycb | this is from the agenda, do we want to discuss? | 12:24 |
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| coreycb | also from the agenda are: | 12:24 |
| coolsvap | oh its abandoned after I added to agend | 12:24 |
| coreycb | #link https://review.openstack.org/217824 | 12:24 |
| prometheanfire | not that one specifically I think | 12:24 |
| coreycb | #link https://review.openstack.org/265226 | 12:25 |
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| coolsvap | I wanted to highlight long term pending reviews | 12:25 |
| prometheanfire | 824 just needs an rebase | 12:26 |
| coreycb | those are long term alright :) | 12:26 |
| prometheanfire | though we still are using posix_ipc, as long as the projects that show in in the codesearch don't use UC/GR then we can still remove | 12:27 |
| coolsvap | prometheanfire: yes | 12:27 |
| prometheanfire | asked for an update on 226 just now | 12:28 |
| prometheanfire | the tempest-lib one | 12:28 |
| coolsvap | prometheanfire: thanks | 12:29 |
| coolsvap | coreycb: I think we can move to next topic nothing much to discuss here | 12:29 |
| coreycb | #topic Additional Gating - Updates | 12:29 |
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| coreycb | coolsvap, are we looking for updates from someone in particular here? | 12:30 |
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| coolsvap | prometheanfire: ^^ | 12:30 |
| prometheanfire | no updates | 12:31 |
| prometheanfire | next :P | 12:31 |
| coreycb | :) | 12:31 |
| coolsvap | also I wanted to add action item to discuss with harlowja | 12:31 |
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| coolsvap | my name was mentioned with oslo meeting after the oslo.context broke gate | 12:32 |
| coreycb | coolsvap, go for it I think you can add an action item | 12:32 |
| coolsvap | hehe | 12:32 |
| coolsvap | #action coolsvap to discuss with harlowja regarding additional gating | 12:33 |
| coolsvap | not sure if it will be added as action | 12:33 |
| coolsvap | coreycb: lets move | 12:34 |
| coreycb | #topic Tasks from Etherpad | 12:34 |
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| coreycb | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/requirements-tasks | 12:34 |
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| coreycb | any updates? | 12:35 |
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| prometheanfire | we need to vote on ptl | 12:35 |
| coolsvap | no particular updates from me | 12:35 |
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| coreycb | prometheanfire, can we do that in channel? | 12:36 |
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| prometheanfire | doesn't need to be formal here | 12:37 |
| coolsvap | coreycb: we need to do it on mailing list as well | 12:37 |
| coolsvap | if we dont have quorum | 12:37 |
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| coreycb | I could add it to next week's agenda | 12:38 |
| prometheanfire | we could at least get nominees out the the way now (if we have time) | 12:38 |
| coreycb | sounds good. who wants this?? | 12:38 |
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| prometheanfire | want is a 'strong' word :P | 12:39 |
| coolsvap | :) | 12:39 |
| coreycb | heh | 12:39 |
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| coreycb | coolsvap ? | 12:39 |
| coolsvap | I am looking forward to it | 12:39 |
| prometheanfire | but I'd nominate coolsvap at least :P | 12:40 |
| coreycb | +1 | 12:40 |
| prometheanfire | was thinking tonyb as well, but he is already ptl of something (or two things I think) | 12:40 |
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| prometheanfire | if it's just coolsvap we can start the mailing list thing unless we want to wait til next week | 12:41 |
| coreycb | prometheanfire, could do that or give it a week and see if anyone else is interested | 12:42 |
| coolsvap | we cannot do it unless we know tonyb is present | 12:43 |
| prometheanfire | I'm intrested, but not confident in being good at it | 12:43 |
| prometheanfire | I can bug him tonight about it | 12:43 |
| coreycb | ok | 12:43 |
| coolsvap | prometheanfire: sounds good | 12:43 |
| coreycb | #action coreycb to add agenda item for next week with ptl discussion | 12:44 |
| coolsvap | we need time for optional-reqs | 12:44 |
| coreycb | ok let's move on | 12:44 |
| coolsvap | 16 mins remaining | 12:44 |
| coreycb | #topic optional-requirements - number80 | 12:44 |
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| number80 | yeah | 12:44 |
| number80 | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/optional-requirements-draft | 12:45 |
| coolsvap | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/optional-requirements-draft | 12:45 |
| number80 | actually meetbot implicitly do that if the first thing posted is an url :) | 12:45 |
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| number80 | So I see that more people commented the draft | 12:46 |
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| coolsvap | number80: ah sorry we hit enter at the same time | 12:46 |
| number80 | np | 12:46 |
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| coolsvap | the draft looks good | 12:46 |
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| number80 | yeah, so I'd like to figure the next step | 12:46 |
| number80 | submitting patchset to our README or add more people into the discussion (e.g openstack dev list) | 12:47 |
| coreycb | number80, would optional-requirements also be in upper-constraints? | 12:47 |
| number80 | coreycb: ideally, yes | 12:47 |
| prometheanfire | ya, a review would be the next step here | 12:47 |
| number80 | *nods* | 12:48 |
| number80 | #action number80 submit draft as review | 12:48 |
| coreycb | thanks number80 | 12:48 |
| coolsvap | and mailing list discussion is also good idea | 12:48 |
| number80 | I'll do it too | 12:48 |
| coolsvap | to get more views on it | 12:48 |
| prometheanfire | once we have a draft to point them to imo | 12:48 |
| number80 | makes sense | 12:49 |
| coreycb | anything else? | 12:49 |
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| coreycb | #topic Volunteer for next 2 meetings | 12:49 |
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| coreycb | dirk, you're up next week | 12:49 |
| coolsvap | prometheanfire: yes mailing list discussion with both review and etherpad draft in place | 12:49 |
| coreycb | any volunteers for Aug 3rd meeting? | 12:50 |
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| coolsvap | I am in if there's no one | 12:50 |
| coreycb | coolsvap, ok, thanks | 12:51 |
| coreycb | #topic Open Discussion | 12:51 |
| prometheanfire | I can do it as well | 12:51 |
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| coreycb | prometheanfire, thanks | 12:51 |
| coreycb | there's a note on the agenda about a Project Mascot | 12:51 |
| coolsvap | prometheanfire: its yours | 12:51 |
| coolsvap | I am not sure if we can do it | 12:51 |
| prometheanfire | lol, ok | 12:51 |
| prometheanfire | :D | 12:51 |
| coolsvap | project mascot | 12:51 |
| coreycb | any ideas for a mascot? | 12:52 |
| prometheanfire | honeybadger :P | 12:52 |
| coolsvap | just added as its an open discussion | 12:52 |
| coreycb | lol | 12:52 |
| prometheanfire | or an ant, some sort of basic worker is a good concept imo | 12:52 |
| coreycb | honebadger it is :) | 12:52 |
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| coolsvap | ant would need a lot of zooming to be placed on a XXL tshirt | 12:53 |
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| prometheanfire | spider :D | 12:54 |
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| prometheanfire | tonyb would like this https://animalcorner.co.uk/wp-content/img/funnelweb.jpg | 12:54 |
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| prometheanfire | anyway, I guess it's something we can think of | 12:55 |
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| prometheanfire | iirc we have to decide quick though | 12:55 |
| coolsvap | i think we are good here | 12:55 |
| prometheanfire | yep | 12:55 |
| coreycb | alright, needs more discussion | 12:55 |
| coreycb | oh is there a deadline for this coming up? | 12:55 |
| coolsvap | at the channel | 12:55 |
| prometheanfire | I think | 12:55 |
| coreycb | let's try to dig the date up, this is important! | 12:56 |
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| prometheanfire | 07:56 < odyssey4me > prometheanfire can't recall - I think it has to be submitted by the start of next week or something | 12:56 |
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| prometheanfire | odyssey4me: thanks :D | 12:56 |
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| number80 | beaver? | 12:57 |
| number80 | They build walls | 12:57 |
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| odyssey4me | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-July/099046.html | 12:57 |
| prometheanfire | not sure that'd work | 12:57 |
| odyssey4me | #link http://www.openstack.org/project-mascots | 12:57 |
| prometheanfire | think we need a list/fallbacks | 12:57 |
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| odyssey4me | you need to submit 3-5 options | 12:57 |
| prometheanfire | odyssey4me: didn't you just submit 2? :P | 12:58 |
| coolsvap | july 27 | 12:58 |
| prometheanfire | ok, so we have a week | 12:58 |
| number80 | Yamato no orochi (8 headed snakes as we scare people) | 12:58 |
| coreycb | alright time is almost up | 12:58 |
| coolsvap | 2 mins | 12:58 |
| prometheanfire | number80: that's why I said spider :D | 12:58 |
| prometheanfire | ok | 12:58 |
| coreycb | coolsvap, want to drive this offline? | 12:58 |
| coolsvap | sure | 12:59 |
| number80 | prometheanfire: I like it too :) | 12:59 |
| coreycb | #action coolsvap to drive list of mascots before july 27 deadline | 12:59 |
| coreycb | thanks coolsvap | 12:59 |
| coolsvap | thanks coreycb | 12:59 |
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| prometheanfire | cool | 12:59 |
| odyssey4me | prometheanfire I have not submitted yet. We'll finalise the list at our meeting on Thu. | 12:59 |
| coreycb | thanks everyone | 12:59 |
| coreycb | #endmeeting | 13:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 20 13:00:01 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:00 |
| coolsvap | thanks coreycb | 13:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/requirements/2016/requirements.2016-07-20-12.00.html | 13:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/requirements/2016/requirements.2016-07-20-12.00.txt | 13:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/requirements/2016/requirements.2016-07-20-12.00.log.html | 13:00 |
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| ci | hello | 13:05 |
| ci | hello | 13:05 |
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| joehuang1 | hello | 13:06 |
| joehuang1 | sorry for late | 13:06 |
| joehuang1 | the network is not very good | 13:06 |
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| longxiongqiu | hello | 13:06 |
| huangdongfeng | hi | 13:06 |
| joehuang1 | #startmeeting tricircle | 13:06 |
| admir_ | hello | 13:06 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 20 13:06:37 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is joehuang1. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:06 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 13:06 | |
| yinxiulin | hi | 13:06 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tricircle' | 13:06 |
| joehuang1 | hi | 13:06 |
| zhiyuan | hi | 13:06 |
| admir_ | 、 | 13:06 |
| joehuang1 | #topic rollcall | 13:07 |
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| joehuang1 | #info joehuang | 13:07 |
| Yipei_ | hi | 13:07 |
| hjw | hi | 13:07 |
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| liukun | hi | 13:07 |
| huangdongfeng | hi | 13:07 |
| yinxiulin | hi | 13:07 |
| joehuang1 | hello, a lot o new contributors, could you introduce yourself a little? | 13:07 |
| yinxiulin | ok | 13:07 |
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| liukun | My name is Liu Kun, I am studying at Hunan University. I am more familiar with java language, and I did some projects on Bigdata.I am very happy to be here and study together, to make contribution to the open source community. | 13:08 |
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| joehuang1 | welcome Liukun | 13:08 |
| hjw | Hello I'm Jiawei He.I'm a new master student of Hunan University.It,s my honor to ateend this meeting.That's all ,thank you. | 13:09 |
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| joehuang1 | welcome Jiawei | 13:09 |
| zhiyuan | welcome, new members | 13:09 |
| hjw | thx. | 13:09 |
| liukun | thanks | 13:09 |
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| longxiongqiu | welcome | 13:10 |
| joehuang1 | the Tricircle project is applying big-tent project | 13:11 |
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| joehuang1 | and one concerns in the application from the TCs is micro-version and api consistency | 13:11 |
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| joehuang1 | we need to prompt the implementation priority of microversion feature | 13:12 |
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| joehuang1 | #link https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/nova-specs/specs/kilo/implemented/api-microversions.html | 13:13 |
| joehuang1 | #link http://developer.openstack.org/api-guide/compute/microversions.html | 13:14 |
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| joehuang1 | this feature has been moved to this phase | 13:15 |
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| longxiongqiu | is this a new featrue? | 13:16 |
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| joehuang1 | it's a new feature, and mainly for api backward compatibility and cross version interaction | 13:17 |
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| joehuang1 | espcailly useful in production cloud | 13:18 |
| joehuang1 | and xiulin is interested in this feature | 13:18 |
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| joehuang1 | xiulin, could you introduce your understanding a little | 13:18 |
| joehuang1 | to Xiongqiu, for tempest test in Nova, you can refer to the new patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/343517/ | 13:21 |
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| joehuang1 | I found that the regex has to be expressed in one line for multiple filter, so a patch is needed to update the script | 13:22 |
| longxiongqiu | ok, thanks. i will finish in this week. | 13:22 |
| joehuang1 | hi xiulin? are you online? | 13:22 |
| yinxiulin | sorry, my net work is not very good | 13:23 |
| joehuang1 | understand | 13:23 |
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| joehuang1 | ok, next topic | 13:25 |
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| joehuang1 | #topic tricircle api feature parity | 13:25 |
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| joehuang1 | a feature parity for tricircle in Newton release is prepared | 13:26 |
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| joehuang1 | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yXdxGtQq_6YJUtJtjmPICyhq4SbP8E6uWyzn0zev8bI/edit#gid=308439069 | 13:26 |
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| joehuang1 | every one can work on the items you are interested in | 13:27 |
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| joehuang1 | becaure all features are expected to be merged in the Newton release | 13:27 |
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| longxiongqiu | the table is very clear. :) | 13:27 |
| joehuang1 | that means the feature should be implemented before Oct.1 | 13:28 |
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| joehuang1 | so that we can have a release in parallel with Newton, which will be released on Oct.15(or so) | 13:28 |
| joehuang1 | to Xiongqiu, thank you very much:) | 13:29 |
| joehuang1 | o, xiulin is very fast | 13:29 |
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| joehuang1 | one suggestion is it would be better to set different due date for different feature(may be several APIs together) | 13:31 |
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| joehuang1 | hello, there is some connection issue to access the file for me now :( | 13:34 |
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| longxiongqiu | need we add our name below owner col of the feature table? | 13:35 |
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| joehuang1 | yes, please | 13:36 |
| joehuang1 | we need to use English in the table | 13:36 |
| zhiyuan | you just assign the feature you would like to implement to yourself | 13:36 |
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| longxiongqiu | ok | 13:37 |
| Yipei_ | ok, got it | 13:37 |
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| joehuang1 | and set due date(when the feature could be merged, before Oct.1) | 13:38 |
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| longxiongqiu | got it | 13:40 |
| joehuang1 | please evaluate the features you would like to contribute | 13:40 |
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| Yipei_ | since the admin apis are related to pods, Dongfeng and I would like to implement them | 13:41 |
| longxiongqiu | not Privilege to edit | 13:41 |
| zhiyuan | i will finish the networking feature first :) before working on nova and cinder api gateway | 13:42 |
| longxiongqiu | please promote my Privilege。：） | 13:42 |
| joehuang1 | and let's have a meeting in #openstack-tricircle on UTC 1:00, Friday(Beijing time 9:00am) to discuss on features you may have questions | 13:42 |
| longxiongqiu | Ok | 13:43 |
| joehuang1 | you need to send me your gmail address, so that I can add you to the editor list | 13:43 |
| Yipei_ | ok | 13:43 |
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| huangdongfeng | ok | 13:43 |
| hjw | got it | 13:43 |
| longxiongqiu | i have send email to you, plz check it | 13:43 |
| joehuang1 | you can send me your gmail address to joehuang@huawei.com | 13:43 |
| joehuang1 | becaure google doc only can be edited if you have google account | 13:44 |
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| longxiongqiu | yes , i have gmail | 13:45 |
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| joehuang1 | the content in the tricircle admin-api is blank, I don't know why | 13:47 |
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| zhiyuan | joe, i can see the content | 13:47 |
| zhiyuan | maybe the content has not been loaded yet | 13:48 |
| huangdongfeng | me too | 13:48 |
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| joehuang1 | o, my god | 13:48 |
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| zhiyuan | maybe you can change your proxy server, joe | 13:49 |
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| joehuang1 | ok, so please contribute based on your interest, and align with the project's plan, let's have a meeting on friday to discuss more | 13:50 |
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| joehuang1 | #info a meeting for tricircle API feature parity on UTC1:00, Friday(Beijing Time, 9:00am, Friday) | 13:51 |
| joehuang1 | any other topics? | 13:51 |
| zhiyuan | no from me | 13:51 |
| Yipei_ | no for me | 13:51 |
| huangdongfeng | no for me | 13:51 |
| joehuang1 | we have so many contributors, you can also add more items in the table :) | 13:52 |
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| joehuang1 | if it's not listed in the table | 13:52 |
| joehuang1 | thank you for attending the meeting | 13:53 |
| joehuang1 | see you next time | 13:53 |
| joehuang1 | #endmeeting | 13:53 |
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| longxiongqiu | bye | 13:53 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 20 13:53:47 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2016/tricircle.2016-07-20-13.06.html | 13:53 |
| huangdongfeng | bye | 13:53 |
| joehuang1 | bye | 13:53 |
| zhiyuan | bye | 13:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2016/tricircle.2016-07-20-13.06.txt | 13:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2016/tricircle.2016-07-20-13.06.log.html | 13:53 |
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| vkramskikh | #startmeeting javascript | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 20 14:00:18 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is vkramskikh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: javascript)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'javascript' | 14:00 |
| vkramskikh | hi everyone! who's here? | 14:00 |
| betherly | o/ | 14:00 |
| cardeois | Hey ! | 14:00 |
| jprivard | I'm here | 14:00 |
| vkramskikh | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/javascript-meeting-2016-07-20 | 14:00 |
| yujunz | hello | 14:00 |
| vkramskikh | here is the agenda | 14:00 |
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| vkramskikh | #topic where shall we publish the api doc built by jsdoc? | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "where shall we publish the api doc built by jsdoc? (Meeting topic: javascript)" | 14:01 | |
| jaranovich | hi! | 14:01 |
| cardeois | Is there any hosted place for openstack docs we could use? | 14:01 |
| yujunz | I have the same question | 14:01 |
| krotscheck | o/ | 14:01 |
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| vkramskikh | I know there is http://docs.openstack.org/ , but don't know how to post anything there | 14:02 |
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| * krotscheck is here, but had to skip chairing this time because his son's too sick for daycare. | 14:02 | |
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| * krotscheck isn't certain about docs. | 14:02 | |
| betherly | krotscheck: hope he gets well soon!! | 14:02 |
| krotscheck | I can check with the docs team, I beleive it's just another job that we need to add. | 14:02 |
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| cardeois | Yeah, it would definitely be cool to be in an official openstack doc | 14:03 |
| betherly | docs.openstack can be amended from within the project i think | 14:03 |
| cardeois | so it's let's confusing for people using the lib | 14:03 |
| vkramskikh | #action krotscheck to contact docs team regarding jsdoc hosting | 14:03 |
| krotscheck | Well, we're not an official project, we're just in the big tent, but I'll explore options. | 14:03 |
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| betherly | so if you have a section called docs and set the project up for doc jobs i think it sorts itself... | 14:03 |
| yujunz | It seems there is an catagory of api doc in docs | 14:04 |
| krotscheck | betherly++ | 14:04 |
| krotscheck | Also, there's docs vis-a-vis getting started with the openstack libs, i.e. shade and so forth, which we should probably hook into. | 14:04 |
| betherly | krotscheck: indeed, neither is ironic-ui technically as its a subproject, but since it has its own repo it should have the ability to have docs within it | 14:04 |
| krotscheck | Lots of things for me to look at :) | 14:04 |
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| betherly | krotscheck: do you want me to take a look into the docs side from within the project and see if that can be done in this scenario? | 14:05 |
| krotscheck | betherly: If you're volunteering, sure! | 14:05 |
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| krotscheck | :D | 14:05 |
| betherly | krotscheck: sure ill add it to my agenda for tomorrow | 14:05 |
| krotscheck | betherly: ALrightey | 14:05 |
| vkramskikh | #action betherly to help krotscheck with the docs | 14:06 |
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| vkramskikh | awesome, next topic :) | 14:06 |
| vkramskikh | #topic We've just merged all build/testing stuff - what next? Project architecture - what should it be? | 14:06 |
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| vkramskikh | it was a topic for the previous meeting, but I failed to answer this question | 14:07 |
| vkramskikh | I believe krotscheck has lots of ideas what to do next :) | 14:07 |
| krotscheck | it's a bit of a broad topic, no? | 14:07 |
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| cardeois | I think we should adopt an architecture similar to pythonopenstack-sdk. I actually don't know how it's architectured, but would be nice to have a seamless transition for people using python or js sdk | 14:07 |
| jprivard | I agree | 14:07 |
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| krotscheck | Either that or shade. | 14:07 |
| azemlyanov | python is very different from js | 14:08 |
| krotscheck | Honestly, shade seems to be a bit more popular. | 14:08 |
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| krotscheck | With that in mind, we can also draw inspiration from pkgcloud | 14:08 |
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| vkramskikh | could you please give me a link to that shade? I have no idea what it is | 14:08 |
| cardeois | Alright with shade then | 14:08 |
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| krotscheck | http://docs.openstack.org/infra/shade/ | 14:08 |
| krotscheck | #link http://docs.openstack.org/infra/shade/ | 14:08 |
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| vkramskikh | thanks, I'll take a look | 14:08 |
| cardeois | azemlyanov I agree we should code for js, but have our public api similar to one of those sdk in python | 14:09 |
| krotscheck | My initial thoughts were: "let thing = new OSCloud(config);" | 14:09 |
| cardeois | Internals is another matter I guess | 14:09 |
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| krotscheck | The tricky thing is- what does that instance look like, since different clouds may have different services available. | 14:10 |
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| krotscheck | And discovery can't happen until we're authenticated against keystone | 14:10 |
| azemlyanov | JS discourage exceptions that is standard in Python, JS is async and rely on promices | 14:10 |
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| azemlyanov | promises | 14:10 |
| krotscheck | azemlyanov: Promises or callbacks ;) | 14:10 |
| azemlyanov | or callbacks of cause | 14:10 |
| krotscheck | (Anyone here prefer callbacks to promises? I don't) | 14:10 |
| msmol | would be nice to support both | 14:10 |
| azemlyanov | both are better | 14:11 |
| azemlyanov | in simple cases callback is often prefferable | 14:11 |
| cardeois | You're right, promises is definitively better | 14:11 |
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| cardeois | Well it's nice for chaining calls | 14:11 |
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| vkramskikh | I suggest to support promises only, don't see any value in supporting both. jquery 3 dropped support for callback for jqXHR | 14:12 |
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| cardeois | +1 | 14:12 |
| krotscheck | We'll see how it shakes out once we start writing code. I'm more curious about the "create api instance, discover services" step. | 14:13 |
| vkramskikh | I think we should try to implement something simple like Keystone client and discuss all that stuff in gerrit | 14:13 |
| msmol | okay, so what kind of promises? does ES6 have "official" promises built-in, or was that pushed to ES7 or whatever it's going to be called | 14:13 |
| vkramskikh | msmol: yes there are native Promises, and fetch() already utilizes them | 14:14 |
| krotscheck | #link http://caniuse.com/#search=promise | 14:14 |
| timothyb89 | msmol: yes, they are built in: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/Global_Objects/Promise | 14:14 |
| krotscheck | I agree with vkramskikh: MOst of the complicated bits regarding initialization of a cloud, including auth, config structure, and service discovery, will be best discussed in code. | 14:14 |
| krotscheck | And, well, keystone is the first thing we really need to implement. | 14:15 |
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| cardeois | Yes | 14:15 |
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| krotscheck | One thing I'd like to make sure we keep in mind though is that services may not be deployed with keystone, so that auth layer should be optional. | 14:15 |
| jprivard | indubitably | 14:15 |
| krotscheck | Does anyone want to take a stab at it? Gathrt requirements from this discussion and throw some code at the wall? | 14:17 |
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| cardeois | I'd like to, but I'm already late with the devstack setup | 14:17 |
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| krotscheck | Sounds like we don't have resources this coming week to write that code. | 14:18 |
| * msmol slowly raises his hand | 14:18 | |
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| krotscheck | Wooo! | 14:18 |
| msmol | I'll do my best, hopefully either of cardeois or jprivard will be able to lend a hand or two as well, seeing as they're sitting right next to me ;-) | 14:19 |
| jprivard | I can | 14:19 |
| krotscheck | That actually sounds perfect, three brains can think of more edge cases than one :) | 14:20 |
| vkramskikh | so what do we want to do by the next week? simple keystone client? | 14:20 |
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| msmol | that's my understanding | 14:20 |
| krotscheck | msmol: What do you want to commit to by wednesday? | 14:20 |
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| msmol | I suppose a simple client that can authenticate with keystone and a test or two | 14:21 |
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| vkramskikh | #action msmol to try to implement a simple keystone client | 14:21 |
| krotscheck | ALrightey | 14:21 |
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| krotscheck | msmol: Thanks for taking this on :) | 14:22 |
| vkramskikh | #topic Open discussion | 14:22 |
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| krotscheck | nodejs6 jobs are currently under review by infra: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:npm_jobs | 14:22 |
| msmol | hehe I'll do my best :D | 14:22 |
| vkramskikh | does anyone have anything else to discuss? | 14:22 |
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| cardeois | I have a subject ! How to we mock "fetch" calls for our unit tests? | 14:23 |
| cardeois | There is this thing https://www.npmjs.com/package/fetch-mock but didn't try it | 14:23 |
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| cardeois | However it says it handles node-fetch and the webpack polyfill, so that would be cool to give it a try. | 14:23 |
| vkramskikh | cardeois: we're trying out https://github.com/wheresrhys/fetch-mock in fuel: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/338338/ it seems to work fine | 14:23 |
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| cardeois | Ok cool ! so we could give it a try to | 14:24 |
| krotscheck | I have a topic: Has anyone submitted JS-related sessions to Barcelona? | 14:24 |
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| * krotscheck has one titled: "Beyond Horizon: Building custom interfaces with the JavaScript SDK" | 14:24 | |
| krotscheck | So, yeah, I kinda have to deliver this thing by barcelona ;) | 14:25 |
| vkramskikh | :) | 14:25 |
| cardeois | haha nice. We'll try to do our best | 14:25 |
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| vkramskikh | since everyone is here, I'd like to discuss my review request enabling ES2015 rules for the project: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/342228/1/.eslintrc | 14:26 |
| vkramskikh | they're needed not to mix ES5 and ES2015 syntax in the library code | 14:26 |
| vkramskikh | though I was asked by krotscheck to add these rules to eslint-config-openstack | 14:27 |
| krotscheck | I took a look at those, overall my view on those rules are either "meh" or OMG yes we need that. | 14:27 |
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| vkramskikh | but adding these rules will lead to breaking existing ES5 code - we cannot enforce using arrow functions for ES5 code | 14:27 |
| vkramskikh | does anyone have any idea how to deal with such rules? | 14:28 |
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| cardeois | So if I understand we can either use eslint-config-openstack which is the default for all js project? or override our own? | 14:28 |
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| vkramskikh | we're using eslint-config-openstack, and adding extra rules | 14:29 |
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| cardeois | In that case changing the default would be nice, but yeah it will break existing ES5. So is it possible to have ES2015 default in eslint-config-openstack ? | 14:29 |
| krotscheck | Well, we have a couple of options. | 14:29 |
| cardeois | like "extends: openstack-es2015" instead of "extends: openstack" ? | 14:29 |
| krotscheck | .eslintrc can live in different directories and define the rules for all subdirectories | 14:30 |
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| krotscheck | Secondly, eslint rule packages can have multiple rule sets in them, so eslint-config-openstack could ship with an es2015 rule est. | 14:30 |
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| krotscheck | I'm partial to the latter. | 14:30 |
| cardeois | For the first: But do we want different rules inside our project? | 14:31 |
| cardeois | and +1 for second | 14:31 |
| vkramskikh | interesting, didn't notice such feature in the docs | 14:31 |
| * krotscheck thinks the syntax would be extends: openstack:es2015 | 14:31 | |
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| krotscheck | (or something like that) | 14:31 |
| cardeois | sure | 14:31 |
| krotscheck | vkramskikh: eslint itself does that with its default rules, I don't know how easy it is for third-party packages, but I can investigate. | 14:31 |
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| vkramskikh | I can take care of this since I proposed that review requet | 14:32 |
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| krotscheck | x``Here we go: http://eslint.org/docs/developer-guide/shareable-configs | 14:32 |
| vkramskikh | If I have any obstacles I'll reach you out | 14:32 |
| krotscheck | There's a section called "sharing multiple configs. | 14:32 |
| vkramskikh | awesome | 14:33 |
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| vkramskikh | #action vkramskikh to create a review request to eslint-config-openstack with es2015-only rules | 14:33 |
| krotscheck | wfm. | 14:34 |
| vkramskikh | though I believe this request https://review.openstack.org/#/c/342228/1 still need to be fixed and merged first | 14:34 |
| vkramskikh | so people won't start writing ES5 code :) | 14:34 |
| krotscheck | :D | 14:35 |
| cardeois | I agree | 14:35 |
| vkramskikh | any other topics? | 14:35 |
| cardeois | We can merge it, and create another review when the es2015 default exists | 14:35 |
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| krotscheck | +1 | 14:35 |
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| * krotscheck thought he had one, but can't remember. | 14:35 | |
| cardeois | Yeah, I'm working on devstack gate (slowly), any idea how to setup CORS headers globally for devstack? | 14:36 |
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| cardeois | I can do it for one config (keystone), but don't want to setup one conf for every component we'll talk to in our functional tests (because browsers test need cors) | 14:36 |
| krotscheck | cardeois: i have a few thoughts, but myt son jyust went ballistic. rain check? | 14:37 |
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| jprivard | son > us | 14:38 |
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| krotscheck | thanks | 14:39 |
| * krotscheck tags out | 14:39 | |
| krotscheck | #action krotscheck talk to cardeois about cors | 14:39 |
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| cardeois | cool, we could talk about that in #openstack-javascript later | 14:40 |
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| msmol | anyone have anything else they want to discuss? | 14:41 |
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| jprivard | not on my side | 14:42 |
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| cardeois | me neither | 14:42 |
| vkramskikh | fine, if there are any other topics left, let's continue in #openstack-javascript | 14:42 |
| vkramskikh | #endmeeting | 14:42 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 20 14:42:33 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:42 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/javascript/2016/javascript.2016-07-20-14.00.html | 14:42 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/javascript/2016/javascript.2016-07-20-14.00.txt | 14:42 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/javascript/2016/javascript.2016-07-20-14.00.log.html | 14:42 |
| yujunz | me neither | 14:43 |
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| Zara | is anybody about for the magical storyboard meeting? | 15:00 |
| SotK | I am! | 15:01 |
| Zara | wow! you're the best! | 15:01 |
| SotK | #startmeeting storyboard | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 20 15:01:14 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SotK. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 15:01 |
| anteaya | I am here | 15:01 |
| Zara | \o/ | 15:01 |
| anteaya | thank you | 15:01 |
| SotK | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StoryBoard#Agenda_for_next_meeting Agenda | 15:01 |
| anteaya | :) | 15:01 |
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| SotK | I don't know of anything to announce, and dissent? | 15:02 |
| SotK | s/and/any/ | 15:02 |
| anteaya | I don't dissent | 15:02 |
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| SotK | I also don't know of any urgent items | 15:03 |
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| SotK | #topic In Progress Work | 15:03 |
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| SotK | The editing comments stuff I was working on was merged, reverted, bugs it revealed were fixed, and it was merged again | 15:04 |
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| Zara | heehee | 15:04 |
| anteaya | well done | 15:05 |
| SotK | The complex priority patch needs some improvement, which I should get to before the next meeting | 15:05 |
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| * SotK finds a link for that | 15:05 | |
| Zara | thank you | 15:05 |
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| SotK | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312666/ | 15:06 |
| Zara | I think we're very close with it :) | 15:06 |
| SotK | me too | 15:06 |
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| SotK | I've also begun looking at an events timeline for worklists/boards (and notifications for them) | 15:07 |
| Zara | yayyy | 15:07 |
| SotK | should have some initial patches out by the end of the week for that | 15:07 |
| anteaya | wonderful | 15:07 |
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| Zara | SotK: thanks, I know it's tedious. :) | 15:08 |
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| anteaya | will it be a separate timeline | 15:08 |
| anteaya | or will it fold into the current timeline | 15:08 |
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| SotK | it'll be a separate one, visible in the board and worklist views somehow | 15:09 |
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| SotK | to allow tracking of when cards were moved in boards for example | 15:09 |
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| anteaya | okay, thank you | 15:10 |
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| Zara | zaro's gerrit-integration patches are still in review at: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+topic:its-storyboard | 15:10 |
| Zara | I'm hoping they're ready to merge soon, we seem to be making steady progress with them! | 15:11 |
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| anteaya | two of them have some plus 2's | 15:11 |
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| anteaya | Zara: thanks for continuing to bring attention to them | 15:11 |
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| betherly | o/ | 15:12 |
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| Zara | hi betherly! | 15:12 |
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| Zara | great to see you | 15:12 |
| betherly | hey! sorry Im late! had a call i had to finish up :) | 15:12 |
| SotK | hey betherly | 15:13 |
| Zara | np :) | 15:13 |
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| Zara | I keep completely failing to attend the js meeting so I can't talk | 15:13 |
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| betherly | i will be doing some reviewing on storyboard before EOD. are the ones linked just now at 4:10 the most urgent? | 15:14 |
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| Zara | betherly: yes, I think so | 15:14 |
| Zara | these are the ones to get gerrit integrated with storyboard | 15:14 |
| betherly | Zara: thanks! ok ill take a look | 15:14 |
| Zara | which we've been pushing for for a very long time! | 15:14 |
| betherly | woot! | 15:14 |
| Zara | it feels like email notifications: round 2, haha | 15:14 |
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| Zara | we'll get there | 15:14 |
| Zara | okay, other things I'm working on | 15:15 |
| Zara | 1) page to view all boards and worklists | 15:15 |
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| Zara | I'm rather stuck with the search typeahead; would appreciate help with that when someone hs a moment | 15:15 |
| Zara | yay angular | 15:15 |
| Zara | I've uploaded a wip so people can hopefully spot what's missing | 15:15 |
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| Zara | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/341562/ is for just the search typeahead stuff | 15:15 |
| Zara | (which actually should do a browse anyway) | 15:16 |
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| Zara | oh sorry | 15:16 |
| Zara | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/341562/ | 15:16 |
| Zara | I should have linked the gerrit patches properly, too... | 15:16 |
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| Zara | will come back to that | 15:16 |
| Zara | anyway, yeah, then I want to integrate that with the 'all boards' stuff | 15:17 |
| Zara | so that should be straightforward; the rest of the patch seems roughly ready | 15:17 |
| Zara | the other thing I'm looking at is updating hte python client | 15:17 |
| Zara | so that people can more easily interact with the api | 15:17 |
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| Zara | eventually it should have a cli | 15:17 |
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| Zara | that's an ongoing thing | 15:17 |
| Zara | no misc ui bugs this week | 15:18 |
| Zara | just masses of review :P | 15:18 |
| Zara | so far I've discovered I either don't know or can't remember how to POST | 15:18 |
| Zara | so currently checking that | 15:18 |
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| Zara | I think pedro and persia helped me last time, when I had even less of an idea, so I know roughly where in the logs to look if I can't find answers | 15:19 |
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| Zara | that's all from me | 15:21 |
| anteaya | hi | 15:22 |
| anteaya | so this week more doc patches merged, thank you | 15:22 |
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| SotK | \o/ | 15:22 |
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| anteaya | I will continue to work on the others next week after nova mid-cycle | 15:22 |
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| Zara | cool, steadily getting through them on the reviewing side :) | 15:22 |
| Zara | thank you :) | 15:22 |
| anteaya | yesterday markus joined us in #storyboard and we created some work stories: https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/worklist/129 | 15:23 |
| anteaya | Zara: thank you :) | 15:23 |
| anteaya | so that worklist is auto generated with the blocking-storyboard-migration tag | 15:23 |
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| anteaya | if any stories show up there that I didn't put the tag on please say so so I can address them | 15:23 |
| anteaya | they aren't blockers unless I agree they are | 15:24 |
| anteaya | that is about it from me | 15:24 |
| anteaya | thanks | 15:24 |
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| Zara | okay, thank you! glad the automatic worklist is working as expected! | 15:24 |
| anteaya | yay autoworklists! | 15:24 |
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| Zara | :) | 15:26 |
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| SotK | #topic Open Discussion | 15:27 |
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| anteaya | I have nothing here | 15:29 |
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| SotK | anyone else? | 15:31 |
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| Zara | nothing from me, except that it is too warm and I would like to turn off the sun | 15:32 |
| Zara | I'm sure I'll remember all my points after the meeting, as usual | 15:32 |
| SotK | in that case... | 15:33 |
| SotK | #endmeeting | 15:33 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 20 15:33:59 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:34 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2016/storyboard.2016-07-20-15.01.html | 15:34 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2016/storyboard.2016-07-20-15.01.txt | 15:34 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2016/storyboard.2016-07-20-15.01.log.html | 15:34 |
| SotK | thanks folk! | 15:34 |
| anteaya | thank you | 15:34 |
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| bh526r | #startmeeting gluon | 18:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 20 18:02:46 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bh526r. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'gluon' | 18:02 |
| bh526r | Hello guys | 18:03 |
| krenczewski | Hello | 18:03 |
| pcarver | hello | 18:03 |
| Jeffreyc42 | Hi | 18:03 |
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| bh526r | Hi Kamil, Paul and Jeff | 18:03 |
| bh526r | #agenda Roll Call and Introduction | 18:03 |
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| bh526r | #topic Roll Call and Introduction | 18:04 |
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| georgk | #info Georg Kunz | 18:04 |
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| bh526r | Please #info your name | 18:04 |
| bh526r | #info Bin Hu | 18:04 |
| Jeffreyc42 | #info Jeff Collins | 18:04 |
| krenczewski | #info Kamil Renczewski | 18:04 |
| pcarver | #info Paul Carver | 18:04 |
| bh526r | Tom is on vacation this week. Not sure Ian, Vince and Kamal | 18:05 |
| bh526r | #topic Admin Update | 18:05 |
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| bh526r | #info No update of admin matters | 18:05 |
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| bh526r | great | 18:06 |
| bh526r | #topic Review of Repository Structure | 18:06 |
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| bh526r | Hi Ian | 18:06 |
| bh526r | #info Today we primarily focus on reviewing 2 patches | 18:07 |
| bh526r | #info one is the patch of proposing repo structure | 18:07 |
| bh526r | #info the other one is the patch of architecture description | 18:07 |
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| bh526r | #info here is the patch of repo structure: | 18:07 |
| bh526r | #info https://review.openstack.org/#/c/342448/ | 18:08 |
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| bh526r | #info There are a few comments, primiarily on the specific description of the functional description of each component of the repo proposal | 18:09 |
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| georgk | #info my comments are mainly brain dumps of architectural things I wanted to capture somewhere | 18:10 |
| bh526r | #info there is only one comment from Kamal, suggesting to change the name of "gluon-core" to "gluon-lib" | 18:10 |
| georgk | that was before the architecture doc was pushed by Jeff | 18:10 |
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| bh526r | #info Georg: that was before the architecture doc was pushed by Jeff | 18:11 |
| bh526r | #info thank you Georg | 18:11 |
| georgk | #info I can move my comments to the right place (maybe the architecture doc) later | 18:12 |
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| bh526r | #info sure, that's better. Thank you Georg | 18:12 |
| bh526r | #info and I also think, the architecture description may need to reflect the new repo strucuture of architectural components | 18:13 |
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| bh526r | #info so regarding the comment of changing the name of "gluon-core" to "gluon-lib", is there any other opinion? | 18:13 |
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| bh526r | #info if there is no other opinion on the name change of "gluon-core" to "gluon-lib" | 18:15 |
| bh526r | #info I would suggest that the group present on the meeting today agreed to this proposal. | 18:15 |
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| georgk | #info +1 | 18:16 |
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| krenczewski | #agreed | 18:16 |
| Jeffreyc42 | #info +1 | 18:16 |
| bh526r | #info In respect of original authoer Tom, we would wait for Tom's back from vacation so that he will upload patch 2 for this new name | 18:16 |
| bh526r | #info "gluon-lib" | 18:17 |
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| bh526r | #info then the gluon-core can +2 and merge it | 18:17 |
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| bh526r | #topic Review of Architecture Document | 18:18 |
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| bh526r | #info https://review.openstack.org/#/c/344283/ | 18:18 |
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| bh526r | #info now is the real thing: architecture description | 18:19 |
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| bh526r | #info Kamal posted 4 comments, 2 editorial and 2 needs clarification | 18:20 |
| bh526r | #info plus Georg's comments | 18:20 |
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| bh526r | #info and the necessary re-consideration given the new repo strucuture, and related description of components within the repo | 18:20 |
| Jeffreyc42 | For Kamal's comments 1 and 3 are given | 18:20 |
| Jeffreyc42 | we already discussed this second one | 18:21 |
| bh526r | #info Jeff: For Kamal's comments 1 and 3 are given | 18:21 |
| bh526r | #info Jeff: we already discussed this second one | 18:21 |
| Jeffreyc42 | #info and for 4 i think it would be a good idea to add a section on why etcd and not rabbit | 18:21 |
| bh526r | #info that's right, it will be very helpful | 18:22 |
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| bh526r | #info and Georg's original comment on repo patch, but actually applicable to architectural description | 18:22 |
| georgk | #info regarding my comments: they are targeting potential improvements | 18:23 |
| georgk | #info shall we put them in a dedicated section in this document or create a separate one | 18:23 |
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| bh526r | #info yes, improvements - but also a starting point of our formal architectural design so that we know what needs improved for future work | 18:24 |
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| georgk | #info I wanted to collect current shortcoming of the architecture and collect them in some place so that we can discuss those | 18:24 |
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| Jeffreyc42 | #info We mention a few places in the arch doc for improvements already. | 18:25 |
| Jeffreyc42 | #info I think either pull this out to its own section or just add it to the respective sections. | 18:25 |
| Jeffreyc42 | kk | 18:25 |
| bh526r | #info I suggest that let us work on the arch doc as the opportunity of long term design instead of just documenting what is currently we have | 18:25 |
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| Jeffreyc42 | #info the arch document was put together to help people learn how its currently built | 18:26 |
| Jeffreyc42 | #info Along the way though we added future changes | 18:26 |
| Jeffreyc42 | #info - So I would suggest using the arch doc for how its currently built and maybe either add a new "future" section or put this in its own rst | 18:27 |
| bh526r | #info I suggest to put this in its own rst | 18:27 |
| Jeffreyc42 | #info +1 | 18:27 |
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| Jeffreyc42 | #info new doc for future/changes | 18:28 |
| georgk | #info fine this that | 18:28 |
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| pcarver | I think it would make sense to document the architecture as it's currently built first. Then add revisions as separate Gerrit changes to the same document. | 18:28 |
| georgk | #agreed | 18:28 |
| Jeffreyc42 | #info I'll pull out the future stuff from the current arch doc and put it in a new one. then others can add | 18:28 |
| pcarver | It's ok to include TODOs or comments in the current document where something appears to be obviously deficient | 18:28 |
| Jeffreyc42 | ok | 18:29 |
| pcarver | I'd view the architecture document as being a single document that evolves over time. | 18:29 |
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| Jeffreyc42 | #info I'll go ahead and make the Kamal changes but will need help on the details of etcd vs rabbit | 18:29 |
| bh526r | #info Yes, the new architecture document is a single document that will evolve over time | 18:29 |
| bh526r | #info But the old one is a legacy stuff, we can keep it as documenting what we have before OpenStack | 18:30 |
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| Jeffreyc42 | #info the current doc is the arch doc - Which I think should be maintained for how its built | 18:31 |
| pcarver | But if the whole thing is in Git there's no need for old to be a separate document | 18:31 |
| bh526r | #info then we take this as an opportunity of a fresh start in OpenStack | 18:31 |
| Jeffreyc42 | #info the new rst would be the "proposed improvements" or something like this | 18:31 |
| bh526r | #info yes, we should maintain the old one as how it was built before OpenStack | 18:31 |
| bh526r | #info the whole thing in Git now is not in OpenStack yet | 18:32 |
| Jeffreyc42 | #info - ok and that would maintain the name "Archectural Description"? | 18:32 |
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| Jeffreyc42 | #info Everyone good with that strucutre then? | 18:32 |
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| bh526r | #info that is why we discussed the new repo structure, which will be supported by a fresh new architectural doc | 18:33 |
| Jeffreyc42 | #info I'm not following you. You are saying you want to use the arch doc for the new propsed stuff/changes or how its currently built? | 18:34 |
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| bh526r | #info yes, I agree with (1) the old one maintained as a whole of describing how it was built before OpenStack (2) a new one starts the new design | 18:34 |
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| Jeffreyc42 | #info ok, got it | 18:34 |
| Jeffreyc42 | #info thanks | 18:34 |
| pcarver | What's the function of the old doc once it's out of date? Is it just for historical curiosity? | 18:34 |
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| bh526r | #info then we evolve the new one as we evolve in openstack | 18:35 |
| Jeffreyc42 | #info ok now I'm lost :) | 18:35 |
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| bh526r | #info yes, the old one as-is is for historical documentation | 18:35 |
| Jeffreyc42 | the current arch doc should be continuously updated for how gluon is currently built now and as it changes | 18:35 |
| Jeffreyc42 | #info the current arch doc should be continuously updated for how gluon is currently built now and as it changes | 18:36 |
| pcarver | I'd prefer that there just be one architecture doc, with Gerrit acting as gatekeeper for changes over time and Git preserving the history of how the architecture changed over time. | 18:36 |
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| Jeffreyc42 | #info the new doc is for ideas/purposals/changes as we discuss? | 18:36 |
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| bh526r | #info hold on, guy | 18:36 |
| georgk | well, that was my initial thinking | 18:36 |
| georgk | having an architecture doc | 18:36 |
| georgk | and a place for improvements | 18:37 |
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| georgk | is that useful? | 18:37 |
| bh526r | #info the situation is - we have old repo, which we need to document how it was built | 18:37 |
| georgk | I also don´t fully see the benefit of having a historic version of the architecture doc | 18:37 |
| georgk | :-) | 18:37 |
| Jeffreyc42 | #info the repo structure is not really for the arch doc | 18:38 |
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| Jeffreyc42 | #info currently the arch doc has how its built and as i describe things I also call out room for some changes | 18:38 |
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| Jeffreyc42 | #info I expect the arch doc to evolve as we change the code | 18:38 |
| bh526r | #info now, we have new repo, and agreed new repo structure | 18:38 |
| pcarver | I think Gerrit is the right place to discuss the changes as they are proposed. To bootstrap it we need the doc of what currently exists. Then we need to incrementally change that doc, with feedback via Gerrit reviews. | 18:38 |
| Jeffreyc42 | #info but that doesn't change the arch | 18:38 |
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| bh526r | #info we should take this opportunity to fresh start the architectural design | 18:39 |
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| Jeffreyc42 | #info right - and we can do that and update the arch doc as we go | 18:39 |
| pcarver | When you say "start fresh" are you talking about totally throwing away what exists and re-writing from scratch? | 18:39 |
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| Jeffreyc42 | #info - how about we just keep the 1 arch doc and update it as we change things | 18:39 |
| bh526r | #info and the old arch doc will describe how it was build before OpenStack | 18:39 |
| Jeffreyc42 | #info we are not changing / starting over though | 18:40 |
| Jeffreyc42 | #info we are just updating some pieces | 18:40 |
| bh526r | #info like - here is the legacy. It's the end. | 18:40 |
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| Jeffreyc42 | Is it possible to do a voice call? :) | 18:40 |
| georgk | ;-) | 18:40 |
| bh526r | #info new doc can start with the old content, with the clarifications based on comments from Kamal and Georg | 18:40 |
| Jeffreyc42 | #info - those changes are small though. i can update those very quickly | 18:41 |
| Jeffreyc42 | #info we are not rebuilding gluon here. As we make changes lets just update the arch doc | 18:41 |
| bh526r | Good point. How this GTM: https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/599078381 +1-773-945-1031x599078381# | 18:41 |
| pcarver | If the new doc starts with the old content then it doesn't make sense for it to be a new doc. It should be a series of tracked changes to the doc. | 18:41 |
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| Jeffreyc42 | cool | 18:41 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #startmeeting docteam | 19:02 |
| openstack | ShillaSaebi: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 19:02 |
| Jeffreyc42 | sorry | 19:02 |
| Jeffreyc42 | stopping it now | 19:02 |
| bh526r | #endmeeting | 19:02 |
| ShillaSaebi | no problem | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:02 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 20 19:02:47 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2016/gluon.2016-07-20-18.02.html | 19:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2016/gluon.2016-07-20-18.02.txt | 19:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2016/gluon.2016-07-20-18.02.log.html | 19:02 |
| ShillaSaebi | #startmeeting docteam | 19:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 20 19:02:55 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ShillaSaebi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 19:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' | 19:02 |
| ShillaSaebi | Hi everyone! Roll call for docs meeting? | 19:03 |
| strigazi | Spyros Trigazis (magnum) | 19:03 |
| * rcaballeromx here. | 19:03 | |
| DevonBoatwright | Devon here | 19:03 |
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| rlpple | Randy Perryman | 19:04 |
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| ShillaSaebi | awesome thanks for joining | 19:04 |
| ShillaSaebi | lets go ahead and get started | 19:04 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 19:04 |
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| ShillaSaebi | ok looks like there are none | 19:05 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #topic Specs in review #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/docs-specs,n,z | 19:05 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #info these are release notes guidelines | 19:06 |
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| ShillaSaebi | Any comments on the spec? | 19:06 |
| * rcaballeromx has added the change to his reviews. | 19:06 | |
| ShillaSaebi | ok moving along | 19:07 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Speciality teams: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Speciality_Team_Reports | 19:07 |
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| ShillaSaebi | Some nice progress on the Install guides | 19:07 |
| ShillaSaebi | Ops and Arch guide has this etherpad up for tracking change progress #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-guide-reorg | 19:08 |
| ShillaSaebi | there should be more content in the ops/arch guide soon | 19:08 |
| ShillaSaebi | feel free to check out the updates on the specialty team reports link posted above | 19:09 |
| ShillaSaebi | if any leads are here from the specialty teams, fel free to fill us in | 19:10 |
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| rcaballeromx | All five UX personas basic content are up for review. | 19:10 |
| rcaballeromx | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/326662/ | 19:10 |
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| rcaballeromx | I usually fix the comments on Fridays, so feel free to add as many as you want. | 19:11 |
| rlpple | will look over these | 19:11 |
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| ShillaSaebi | great thanks | 19:13 |
| ShillaSaebi | will take a look | 19:13 |
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| rcaballeromx | Awesome, thanks! | 19:13 |
| ShillaSaebi | anythign else on specialty teams? | 19:13 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Countdown to release: 77 days | 19:14 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #link http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/launch?iso=20161006T00&p0=1440&msg=OpenStack+Newton+Launch+Date&font=slab | 19:14 |
| ShillaSaebi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/NewtonDeliverables | 19:14 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #topic open discussion | 19:18 |
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| ShillaSaebi | looks like thats all i got for today | 19:18 |
| ShillaSaebi | anything anyone wants to bring up? | 19:18 |
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| * rcaballeromx has nothing to discuss. | 19:18 | |
| DevonBoatwright | Nothing from me | 19:19 |
| strigazi | I'm good | 19:19 |
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| ShillaSaebi | alright awesome | 19:19 |
| ShillaSaebi | well thanks for joining everyone | 19:19 |
| ShillaSaebi | see you next time | 19:19 |
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| strigazi | bye | 19:20 |
| ShillaSaebi | #endmeeting | 19:20 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 20 19:20:01 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:20 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2016/docteam.2016-07-20-19.02.html | 19:20 |
| rcaballeromx | Thank you! | 19:20 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2016/docteam.2016-07-20-19.02.txt | 19:20 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2016/docteam.2016-07-20-19.02.log.html | 19:20 |
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| notmyname | swift team meeting time | 21:00 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 20 21:00:27 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:00 |
| notmyname | who's here for the swift team meeting? | 21:00 |
| cschwede | o/ | 21:00 |
| mathiasb | o/ | 21:00 |
| ntata | hello | 21:00 |
| kei_yama | o/ | 21:00 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 21:00 |
| dmorita | hi | 21:00 |
| hosanai | o/ | 21:00 |
| sgundur1 | hi | 21:00 |
| pdardeau | o/ | 21:00 |
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| acoles | here | 21:01 |
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| kota_ | hi | 21:01 |
| mmotiani | hi | 21:01 |
| tdasilva | hello | 21:01 |
| notmyname | welcome everyone | 21:01 |
| notmyname | #topic post hackathon... | 21:02 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "post hackathon... (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:02 | |
| torgomatic | ohai | 21:02 |
| notmyname | if you weren't at the hackathon in san antonio last week, you were missed | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | I'm glad it seems everyone made it back safely | 21:02 |
| notmyname | (even if mattoliverau wasn't upgraded to first class for his birthday) | 21:02 |
| mattoliverau | :( | 21:02 |
| notmyname | it was a great week, and thank you hurricanerix for hosting | 21:03 |
| mattoliverau | +100 | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | I'd love to hear what everyone is thinking after the hackathon. how was it? what was good/bad? | 21:04 |
| notmyname | so we can learn for next time | 21:04 |
| clayg | notmyname: best one evar | 21:04 |
| notmyname | does anything stand out that was good or bad? | 21:04 |
| clayg | ahale was there - that was good | 21:05 |
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| dmorita | everything we need was available. That was very good. | 21:05 |
| ahale | oh meeting time o/ yeah i really got a lot from just meeting people | 21:05 |
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| mmotiani | I got chance to interact with all the devs and cores in-person. That was the best part for me. | 21:05 |
| ahale | and talking about stuff i cant say in logged places | 21:06 |
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| notmyname | lol | 21:06 |
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| notmyname | yes, I definitely love the face-to-face and getting to know everyone | 21:06 |
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| cschwede | we met again and got a lot of things done/discussed - just perfect! | 21:06 |
| acoles | notmyname: felt we got discussion going quicker on Monday which was good. few things didn't get selected for main agenda but I think we covered them eventually. | 21:07 |
| tdasilva | good as always, can't really think of anything bad that really stood out. thanks hurricanerix for organizing everything! | 21:07 |
| notmyname | I would have preferred to have a separate room. I know hurricanerix worked on that, but the logistics didn't work out. not his fault | 21:07 |
| notmyname | acoles: yes! | 21:07 |
| notmyname | I really liked how the discussions started right off this time | 21:07 |
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| notmyname | if you had a conversation, write down some notes and please link them on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/ideas | 21:08 |
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| clayg | notmyname: i think priority topic selection was *a little* off - but there's a million reasons for that as deverse as everyone participating - not sure if there's much to consider there beyond "we're still busy" | 21:09 |
| tdasilva | acoles: thanks for the awesome notes on symlinks | 21:09 |
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| kota_ | tdasilva: +1 | 21:09 |
| acoles | tdasilva: np! that was the conclusion of what began on plane home from Austin ;) | 21:09 |
| notmyname | clayg: might be good to try to adjust a little next time | 21:09 |
| acoles | notmyname: transferable votes ;) | 21:10 |
| tdasilva | clayg: was there any topic you wished we had discussed and it was not? | 21:10 |
| notmyname | acoles: your notes are https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift_symlinks right? | 21:10 |
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| clayg | notmyname: maybe we should have looked more closely at the topics with 5-6 dots and tried to encourage people to get them "scheduled" - ackowledgeing there will be overlaps, there will be conflicts, you will miss out - but it's important that important stuff have time carved out | 21:10 |
| cschwede | maybe add a 2 hour session with 15 minute timeboxed slots for the small topics next time? | 21:11 |
| notmyname | acoles: can you add a link to the ideas wiki page, please? | 21:11 |
| clayg | tdasilva: we did a lot of "oh shit we didn't talk about py3" on Thursday - I think we could have been more cognisent of that earlier in the week | 21:11 |
| acoles | notmyname: yes | 21:11 |
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| bkeller` | creating an ordered list of what to cover when major topics end early might be good | 21:11 |
| acoles | notmyname: yes | 21:11 |
| notmyname | thanks | 21:11 |
| mmotiani | cschwede +1 | 21:11 |
| notmyname | cschwede: lightning talks? :-) | 21:11 |
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| clayg | notmyname: but overall it feel like we're just talking about iteration on good foundation | 21:11 |
| acoles | notmyname: one idea - if someone has brought a new topic then maybe chance to pitch it in 5 mins so we know the scope? | 21:11 |
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| cschwede | notmyname: no, we need different names ;) | 21:12 |
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| cschwede | acoles: sounds good to! | 21:12 |
| cschwede | too | 21:12 |
| acoles | notmyname: oh, what cschwede said is what I mean too | 21:12 |
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| notmyname | interesting idea. I'm definitely willing to try it! | 21:12 |
| tdasilva | acoles: do you mean before we vote on topics? | 21:13 |
| mattoliverau | eventual consistancy talks.. by the end we hope to all be on the same page :P | 21:13 |
| acoles | tdasilva: yes, quick pitch of new topics before the vote | 21:13 |
| clayg | cschwede: acoles: notmyname: some of the "wtf is this" should be on the wiki before we arrive | 21:13 |
| tdasilva | acoles: got it | 21:13 |
| acoles | clayg: true | 21:14 |
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| notmyname | yeah. that will mean it will take more time on the first day, but it does help people get up to speed quickly | 21:14 |
| clayg | ... but if you see a topic that interests you and doesn't get scheduled we just need to think harder about what that means? | 21:14 |
| cschwede | clayg: agreed; but sometimes it’s just easier to talk about things to make them clear? | 21:14 |
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| clayg | do we as a community just hope that those interested find the time, or do we acknowlege that we care about some smaller topics - and we want to faciliate time for them | 21:14 |
| cschwede | clayg: not everyone is going to raise his voice then maybe? | 21:14 |
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| clayg | cschwede: that's fair | 21:15 |
| cschwede | idk; if there are a few short timeslots to get things started, even if they don’t raise attention yet - that might be helpful | 21:15 |
| notmyname | one thing is that the top stuff on http://not.mn/swift/swift_community_dashboard.html didn't get many stickers. I think that's really interesting | 21:15 |
| clayg | anyway - I thought it was really great overall - I like some of these ideas | 21:15 |
| cschwede | yes, overall it was really great! | 21:16 |
| clayg | notmyname: that *is* interesting | 21:16 |
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| acoles | I think we did try to keep an eye on the unscheduled topics and fit them in when there was downtime, or over lunch. | 21:17 |
| notmyname | ok, moving on | 21:17 |
| clayg | notmyname: I think maybe we favor design discussion when we get together as a group over extream reviewing or something like that | 21:18 |
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| notmyname | we do. I dont think that's bad. and I've seent he intense review be great too | 21:18 |
| notmyname | maybe we just have too many big design things going on at once? | 21:18 |
| clayg | acoles: yes, self organization is "working pretty well" | 21:18 |
| clayg | it's all good | 21:19 |
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| cschwede | some challenging architecture discussions just work better in person, and that seems to be the right place | 21:19 |
| ahale | so i had some feedback from some of the other rackspace ops people - they thought it was going to be a ton of code reviews, actual hacking - not talking. if they'd realised that they would have probably been there too | 21:19 |
| notmyname | (on the self-organizing front) the whole point of the very first hackathon was just to get people in the same physical room, and it turend out pretty great | 21:19 |
| notmyname | ahale: yeah, more ops == more better | 21:20 |
| kota_ | ah, one thing. thanks for giving us for hummingbird performance evaluation of NTT;-) | 21:20 |
| tdasilva | kota_: thanks for presenting it! great info | 21:20 |
| notmyname | kota_: that was great feedback! | 21:20 |
| acoles | I favour using hackathon for things that need face to face and are harder to do on gerrit or etherpad. that can include code review, but is often design. | 21:20 |
| * cschwede nods to Alistair | 21:21 | |
| kota_ | and if you want to get slides, could you please send a n E-mail for yamamoto.kimihiro@lab.ntt.co.jp (with c.c.ed for me)? | 21:21 |
| cschwede | kota: i think he will get a lot of mails soon ;) | 21:21 |
| acoles | ** all go to email ;) | 21:21 |
| kota_ | sorry, I didn't get approval to upload it to online for public. | 21:21 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:21 |
| kota_ | sorry inconvinience | 21:22 |
| notmyname | ok, let's move on to some of the specific topics | 21:22 |
| notmyname | #topic hummingbird plan (repconn) | 21:22 |
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| notmyname | the summary is this | 21:23 |
| notmyname | the first thing we will incorporate into master is the repconn functionality of the object replicator | 21:23 |
| notmyname | we will not bring the whole golang object server over yet | 21:23 |
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| notmyname | and we all (very strongly) agreed that we want one and only one object server implementation on master at a time | 21:23 |
| notmyname | so there's some work to do to get that on master | 21:24 |
| notmyname | on the technical front, there now exists feature/repconn which is for the code we want to be on master | 21:24 |
| notmyname | we need the repconn handler to be moved from the hummingbird object server to the object replicator daemon | 21:25 |
| clayg | http://img.pandawhale.com/post-57023-arrested-development-wink-nod-h6aB.gif | 21:25 |
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| clayg | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/hummingbird-replication-upgrade | 21:25 |
| notmyname | that and the neede dutils will go into the repconn branch | 21:26 |
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| notmyname | yeah, thanks clayg. I'm basically going over the top of that | 21:26 |
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| clayg | also, turns out that hummingbirds and swifts are all in the same order -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apodiformes | 21:26 |
| clayg | so... it's all good | 21:26 |
| notmyname | starting/managing golang processes with swift-init is important (operationally and also for probe tests) | 21:26 |
| pdardeau | clayg: you provide awesome visuals! | 21:26 |
| notmyname | with the repconn work, we'll need a lot of effort, I think. but we'll get a huge return | 21:27 |
| notmyname | it's possible that we could have this work done by barcelona. that's 3 months from now | 21:28 |
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| clayg | notmyname: yeah let's do it!!!! WHOOOO! | 21:29 |
| notmyname | on the non-tech side, I'm working on a new TC governance resolution with great input from acoles and clayg about having golang in our master branch | 21:29 |
| clayg | oh yeah... that | 21:29 |
| notmyname | I expect to have a public draft of that available this week | 21:30 |
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| notmyname | any questions on this topic, overall? what we're doing or how it all fits together? | 21:30 |
| notmyname | ok, great :-) | 21:30 |
| notmyname | #topic container sharding | 21:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "container sharding (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:31 | |
| mattoliverau | \o/ go sharding. | 21:31 |
| notmyname | this is the other big thing | 21:31 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau's been doing a ton of great work, and went over it a lot last week | 21:31 |
| mattoliverau | thanks | 21:32 |
| notmyname | IMO repconn and container sharding are the two most important things going on right now | 21:32 |
| mattoliverau | I had some great conversations with others during the week | 21:32 |
| mattoliverau | I'll write up what we discussed in more detail.. then those I talked to can poke holes in my memory :) | 21:32 |
| notmyname | that woudl be fantastic | 21:33 |
| notmyname | or add it to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/container-sharding-SAT-2016 | 21:33 |
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| mattoliverau | I wrote down some rough notes from the actaul session. But theres probably more to it now (thanks to beer) | 21:33 |
| mattoliverau | sure | 21:33 |
| tdasilva | beer refreshes memory? | 21:33 |
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| mattoliverau | no, but we sure talk alot :P | 21:34 |
| tdasilva | lol | 21:34 |
| notmyname | and if you're looking for something to do, jump into the golang repconn work or the container sharding work. both of these solve problems for existing users and give us a great foundation for the next five years of swift | 21:34 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: I'd love to make sure the TODO list is up to date and that the code is easy to collaborate on | 21:35 |
| mattoliverau | +1 | 21:35 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: please let me know if I can help with any of that, and I'll keep bugging you about it too | 21:36 |
| notmyname | any questions from anyone on container sharding? | 21:36 |
| mattoliverau | great thanks :) | 21:36 |
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| notmyname | #topic rolling upgrade tests | 21:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rolling upgrade tests (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:37 | |
| notmyname | I wanted to mention this again, now that the crypto rush is over | 21:37 |
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| notmyname | cschwede: what's up? and pdardeau you were getting into it, too, I think | 21:37 |
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| cschwede | notmyname: nothing new… waiting for reviews. | 21:37 |
| notmyname | from -infra? | 21:37 |
| cschwede | yes | 21:37 |
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| notmyname | patch 304465 | 21:38 |
| patchbot | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304465/ - openstack-infra/devstack-gate - Use subnodes for Swift storage nodes in a multinod... | 21:38 |
| notmyname | that one, right? | 21:38 |
| cschwede | exactly, you were faster | 21:38 |
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| notmyname | the notes I've got are at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift-rolling-upgrade-multinode-testing | 21:38 |
| notmyname | cschwede: what do we need after that lands? or is that the end? | 21:39 |
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| cschwede | notmyname: it’s nearly the end then. we will have a proxy and a storage node on a second vm (subnode) then, and that one gets updated | 21:39 |
| cschwede | during the tests | 21:39 |
| notmyname | anything else required in the swift repo? | 21:40 |
| cschwede | the subnode only runs a subpart of nova right now for rolling upgrade tests, and will run swift storage too then | 21:40 |
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| cschwede | i don’t think so - at least not for the moment. we might want to look if we could add more tests for upgrades, but i thin we’re pretty well covered already | 21:41 |
| cschwede | s/thin/think/ | 21:41 |
| notmyname | pdardeau: are you getting involved with this too? or were your questions early more curiosity? | 21:41 |
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| pdardeau | will the introduction of repconn make the rolling upgrade a little tricky? | 21:41 |
| notmyname | cschwede: ok, great | 21:41 |
| notmyname | pdardeau: not if we do it right ;-) | 21:41 |
| pdardeau | curiosity | 21:41 |
| cschwede | pdardeau: well that will get interesting :) | 21:41 |
| notmyname | pdardeau: aww, man. I was hoping I could start bugging you about it too ;-) | 21:42 |
| cschwede | and is a nice reason to have that rolling upgrade tests landed before | 21:42 |
| pdardeau | notmyname: you can, it'll just get added to the list ;-) | 21:42 |
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| notmyname | actually, I don't think the rolling upgrade tests will be affected much by repconn specifically. those are functests only. what will be more interesting is probe tests | 21:42 |
| cschwede | notmyname: well, tempest also runs there iirc. so it’s nice to know from an end-user perspective | 21:43 |
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| notmyname | of course, that's me just speaking from the perspective of what's needed to make the gate pass. we certainly will need to consider that with repconn | 21:43 |
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| notmyname | cschwede: yeah, but my point is that tempest tests are only func tests | 21:43 |
| cschwede | notmyname: ah, ok, got what you mean | 21:43 |
| notmyname | cschwede: ie replication daemons or ec or whatever is completely transparent | 21:44 |
| notmyname | yeha | 21:44 |
| cschwede | yes, should be | 21:44 |
| cschwede | i was thinking on new dependencies and how to switch to a golang service during upgrade | 21:44 |
| cschwede | on the gate, that is | 21:44 |
| notmyname | any questions from anyone about the rolling upgrade tests? | 21:44 |
| notmyname | cschwede: right. that will be "fun" | 21:44 |
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| notmyname | but if we do it right, `swift-init object-replicator restart` shoudl Just Work (tm) | 21:45 |
| mattoliverau | I dont think that work means what you think it does :P | 21:45 |
| mattoliverau | s/work/word/ | 21:45 |
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| notmyname | cschwede: thanks for keeping on the patch. what can any of the rest of us do to help move it along? | 21:46 |
| cschwede | notmyname: would be awesome, and we’re working hard to make that happen! | 21:46 |
| cschwede | notmyname: not for now, thx! might need some pings to -infra, but i can start the discussion as well | 21:46 |
| notmyname | ok, great. I'll look for those | 21:46 |
| notmyname | #topic other priorities | 21:47 |
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| notmyname | like I said, repconn and container sharding are IMO the 2 most important things going on right now (ie to land in the next few months) | 21:47 |
| mattoliverau | cschwede: I'll poke my infra-core coworker. | 21:47 |
| notmyname | but there's a lot of other stuff | 21:47 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: thanks | 21:47 |
| notmyname | but there's a lot of other stuff going on too | 21:47 |
| cschwede | mattoliverau: thx! | 21:48 |
| notmyname | policy migration, global EC, composite rings, symlings, notifications, etc | 21:48 |
| notmyname | part power increases ( cschwede what's the patch?) | 21:49 |
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| cschwede | patch 337297 | 21:49 |
| patchbot | cschwede: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/337297/ - swift - Add support to increase object ring partition power | 21:49 |
| notmyname | hmm...how do I phrase this not like "begging for reviews"? what's the other patches we should be looking at? | 21:49 |
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| notmyname | cschwede: I was really happy to hear how far you were along on that feature! | 21:50 |
| timburke | thanks tdasilva and cschwede, for starting to look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/214922/ | 21:50 |
| patchbot | timburke: patch 214922 - swift - Add "history" mode to versioned_writes middleware | 21:50 |
| acoles | notmyname: does patchbot recognise wildcards ? ;) | 21:50 |
| notmyname | patch * | 21:50 |
| notmyname | not yet ;-) | 21:50 |
| timburke | notmyname: you don't really want that :-) | 21:50 |
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| notmyname | oh, I think it would short-circuit to "Nope" | 21:51 |
| mattoliverau | it should allow it, and then you need to use marker,end_marker to page through :P | 21:51 |
| kota_ | lol | 21:52 |
| clayg | mattoliverau: you going to do patchbot sharding? | 21:52 |
| acoles | mattoliverau: soon we'll need it to shard | 21:52 |
| acoles | aww clayg got there first ! | 21:52 |
| mattoliverau | lol,.sure how hard can that be :P | 21:52 |
| mattoliverau | *famous last words* | 21:52 |
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| tdasilva | can anybody give a very quick summary of how the auto-tier conversation went? like a one-liner | 21:53 |
| notmyname | so I've seen ring part power increase and history mode. anything else someone wants to highlight for the team this week? | 21:53 |
| acoles | tdasilva: had you left? "auto-tiering can use symlinks, posts go to the symlink" | 21:54 |
| kota_ | tdasilva: got a great feedback, probably auto-tier can use symlink | 21:55 |
| kota_ | acoles: ;-) | 21:55 |
| cschwede | was that discussion about policy migration as well? on thursday afternoon? | 21:55 |
| kota_ | dmorita:^^ | 21:55 |
| tdasilva | acoles, kota_: got started with the symlink work, so at some point I'd like to catch up with the work ntt is doing on auto-tiering so we can be on the same page | 21:55 |
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| dmorita | Ya. We had a discussion on Thursday afternoon. | 21:56 |
| kota_ | tdasilva: ok, will poke mkazuhiro that be in vacation in this week :/ | 21:56 |
| acoles | tdasilva: +1 need to line those pieces of work up | 21:56 |
| tdasilva | kota_: ok, no problem, I'll go look at the patch to see where things are | 21:56 |
| tdasilva | thanks | 21:56 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: great question | 21:57 |
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| notmyname | anything else from anyone? 3 minutes left in our time slot | 21:57 |
| torgomatic | if anyone has any idea how the gate vms are built, ping me | 21:57 |
| kota_ | ah, not hackathon related | 21:57 |
| kota_ | one thing | 21:57 |
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| torgomatic | I'm looking at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/336323/ which seems sane except for the gate | 21:58 |
| patchbot | torgomatic: patch 336323 - swift - Add checksum to object extended attributes | 21:58 |
| kota_ | if someone can help for reviewing https://bugs.launchpad.net/pyeclib/+bug/1604335 | 21:58 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1604335 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "get_segment_info leaks reference count for items" [Undecided,New] | 21:58 |
| kota_ | it is great to me | 21:58 |
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| cschwede | torgomatic: i’ll can have a look tomorrow | 21:58 |
| kota_ | i finally got the reason EC policy can leak memory. | 21:58 |
| notmyname | kota_: is that a swift bug or pyeclib bug? | 21:58 |
| kota_ | yes | 21:59 |
| notmyname | heh | 21:59 |
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| tdasilva | smart answer | 21:59 |
| kota_ | and tsg- and kmgreen2 know it already but I know they are not able to 100% swift work. | 21:59 |
| kota_ | so if swifters can help it, it's great. | 21:59 |
| notmyname | ok | 22:00 |
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| notmyname | we're out of time for this week | 22:00 |
| acoles | I'm confused about keystone default domain, the default id seems to have changed, if anyone understands please comment on https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1604674 | 22:00 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1604674 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "Doc error in Auth Overview for specifying keystone domain " [Undecided,New] | 22:00 |
| kota_ | oh, sorry, pyeclib bug notmyname | 22:00 |
| notmyname | thank you, everyone, for coming. and thank you for working on swift | 22:00 |
| kota_ | i saw just the last chunk of the line :/ | 22:00 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 22:01 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2016/swift.2016-07-20-21.00.html | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2016/swift.2016-07-20-21.00.txt | 22:01 |
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