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| JRobinson__ | Hello everyone, the APAC docs meeting is scheduled to start in about 20 minutes | 00:12 |
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| JRobinson__ | HI all, the meeting will start in 7 minutes or so! | 00:24 |
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| JRobinson__ | #startmeeting docteam | 00:30 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 13 00:30:26 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is JRobinson__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:30 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 00:30 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' | 00:30 |
| JRobinson__ | Hello everyone, this is the APAC docs meeting, | 00:30 |
| JRobinson__ | who's here today? | 00:30 |
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| katomo | hi | 00:32 |
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| JRobinson__ | katomo, hello o/ | 00:32 |
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| katomo | hm, too few people | 00:34 |
| JRobinson__ | Yes it's quiet, I sent out a message to some of the Rackers. | 00:34 |
| JRobinson__ | looks like everyone is busy | 00:34 |
| JRobinson__ | I'll wait about another 3 to 5 minutes and see if anyone is able to meet today | 00:35 |
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| JRobinson__ | I think that's three contributors now ? | 00:37 |
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| JRobinson__ | bmoss, katomo with three docs contributors, I think that's enough to run through these points? I'm unsure if the quorum is 4 people or not | 00:41 |
| darrenc | o/ | 00:41 |
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| JRobinson__ | darrenc, that's good timing :) | 00:41 |
| bmoss | lol | 00:41 |
| katomo | okay | 00:42 |
| JRobinson__ | okay, so... | 00:42 |
| JRobinson__ | #topic Action items from last meeting | 00:42 |
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| JRobinson__ | And I can't see any on the agenda | 00:42 |
| JRobinson__ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/DocTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 00:42 |
| JRobinson__ | Next topic | 00:42 |
| JRobinson__ | #topic specs in review | 00:42 |
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| JRobinson__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/docs-specs,n,z | 00:43 |
| JRobinson__ | just two in review at the moment | 00:43 |
| JRobinson__ | #info these are release notes guidelines, and UI guidelines | 00:43 |
| JRobinson__ | both are currently undergoing discussion in the replies | 00:44 |
| JRobinson__ | Any comments on the specs? | 00:45 |
| katomo | no | 00:45 |
| JRobinson__ | okay, next topic | 00:46 |
| JRobinson__ | #topic speciality teams | 00:46 |
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| JRobinson__ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Speciality_Team_Reports | 00:46 |
| JRobinson__ | Install guide progress is good - new guides published, and swift install up | 00:47 |
| katomo | YaY | 00:47 |
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| JRobinson__ | No updates from - Networking, security, User Guides, API, Hypervisor, or UX/UI teams at this time | 00:48 |
| darrenc | nice | 00:48 |
| darrenc | well, to the first comment :) | 00:48 |
| JRobinson__ | Some good progress on the Install guides, definitely :) | 00:48 |
| JRobinson__ | Ops and Arch guide has a ether pad up for tracking reorg progress | 00:48 |
| JRobinson__ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-guide-reorg | 00:49 |
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| JRobinson__ | darrenc, how is the ops reorg progress? Any updates to discuss? | 00:49 |
| darrenc | in addition, I've added enterprise support docs information in the ops guide | 00:49 |
| JRobinson__ | (sorry, two questions at once there.) | 00:49 |
| darrenc | there should be more content filtered through soon | 00:50 |
| JRobinson__ | That's good news. | 00:50 |
| darrenc | mainly troubleshooting information which should be helpful for operators | 00:50 |
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| JRobinson__ | And team members are joining in other ops meetings, and seeing if more contributors can help | 00:51 |
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| darrenc | yeah, we've done that, and the response has been lukewarm | 00:52 |
| JRobinson__ | #info Contact Darren or Shilla on the Ops team if you're interested in helping with the ops guide reorg | 00:52 |
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| darrenc | however, I have another cloud architect who wants to help with the arch guide | 00:52 |
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| JRobinson__ | darrenc, I can also help out - one of the newton goals is User Guide and Ops content checking, and I need to make some progress on that one. | 00:53 |
| darrenc | oh yeah, we should chat about that | 00:53 |
| darrenc | thanks JRobinson__ | 00:54 |
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| JRobinson__ | It's been a while since I focused on comparing the two guides for content, so I'll need to have another read through. | 00:54 |
| darrenc | np | 00:54 |
| darrenc | likewise with the user guides | 00:54 |
| JRobinson__ | Config/CLI Reference - Feedback from Dolph Matthews, plus bugs closed and CLI reference updates | 00:55 |
| JRobinson__ | katomo, that sounds like more good progress there :) Any further items ? | 00:55 |
| katomo | that's all. but it's good progress. | 00:55 |
| JRobinson__ | yes definitely, | 00:56 |
| darrenc | John Garbutt mention the nova content needs updating | 00:56 |
| katomo | darrenc, thanks to report the feedbacks | 00:56 |
| darrenc | s/mention/mentioned | 00:56 |
| darrenc | np :) | 00:56 |
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| JRobinson__ | Training Guides - Unused pages from the training guides were removed, and the getting started sections have had some improvements. | 00:56 |
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| JRobinson__ | Training Labs - the training-labs library scripts have had minor improvements, PXE features are finalised | 00:57 |
| JRobinson__ | Also, the POC parser to search the install-guides for BASH is close to being finished | 00:58 |
| JRobinson__ | I think this is related to a mailing list discussion recently^ | 00:58 |
| JRobinson__ | Yes the "better way to display shell commands" thread | 00:58 |
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| JRobinson__ | that's an effort to improve the code-block:: appearance | 00:59 |
| katomo | yeah, looks good | 01:00 |
| JRobinson__ | Yes, good to have it. Okay, so I think that's all for speciality teams. | 01:00 |
| JRobinson__ | #topic countdown to release | 01:00 |
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| JRobinson__ | #info 84 days til release | 01:00 |
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| JRobinson__ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/NewtonDeliverables | 01:01 |
| JRobinson__ | The Newton deliverables are proceeding. | 01:01 |
| JRobinson__ | I don't think there's anything else to add there except we are continuing to work on the goals. | 01:02 |
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| JRobinson__ | #topic Open Discussion | 01:02 |
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| JRobinson__ | One Item I have is the User Guide consistency plan | 01:03 |
| JRobinson__ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/ReorganizeUserGuides#IA_Plan | 01:03 |
| JRobinson__ | That needs to be refined and then I'll start working on the items. | 01:03 |
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| JRobinson__ | One item I need to add: Changing the legacy commands to OpenStack client commands in the User-guide | 01:04 |
| JRobinson__ | This appeared on the mailing list yesterday - Subject: user guide and openstack client | 01:05 |
| katomo | ah, indeed. | 01:05 |
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| JRobinson__ | So, just to check, these are the most recent openstack client commands? | 01:06 |
| JRobinson__ | - http://docs.openstack.org/cli-reference/ | 01:06 |
| katomo | yes | 01:07 |
| darrenc | also, you need to have cloud environment running to check the command output | 01:07 |
| JRobinson__ | darrenc, katomo okay, thanks, | 01:09 |
| katomo | np | 01:09 |
| katomo | o/ | 01:09 |
| JRobinson__ | that was all | 01:09 |
| katomo | Docs team has a new core member JRobinson__. Congrats! | 01:10 |
| JRobinson__ | Thanks katomo :) | 01:10 |
| darrenc | woohoo, congrats JRobinson__! | 01:10 |
| bmoss | :) nice work JRobinson__ ! | 01:10 |
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| JRobinson__ | I was saying to bmoss and darrenc that it was strange to mention that myself, so thanks for bring it up :) | 01:10 |
| JRobinson__ | ^bringing | 01:11 |
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| JRobinson__ | and darrenc also thanks for the virtual confetti | 01:11 |
| katomo | :) | 01:11 |
| JRobinson__ | I'll close the meeting then, thanks everyone! | 01:12 |
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| JRobinson__ | #endmeeting | 01:12 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 13 01:12:42 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:12 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2016/docteam.2016-07-13-00.30.html | 01:12 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2016/docteam.2016-07-13-00.30.txt | 01:12 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2016/docteam.2016-07-13-00.30.log.html | 01:12 |
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| darrenc | thanks everyone | 01:12 |
| katomo | thanks, JRobinson__, darrenc, bmoss | 01:13 |
| bmoss | o/ | 01:13 |
| JRobinson__ | :) o/ | 01:13 |
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| ramishra | #startmeeting heat | 08:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 13 08:00:24 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ramishra. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: heat)" | 08:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 08:00 |
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| ramishra | #topic roll call | 08:00 |
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| skraynev | o/ | 08:00 |
| ochuprykov | hi | 08:00 |
| stevebaker | \o | 08:01 |
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| ramishra | hmm.. looks like we'll finish this in few mins:) | 08:03 |
| stevebaker | heh, lets do this | 08:03 |
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| ramishra | #topic adding items to agenda | 08:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "adding items to agenda (Meeting topic: heat)" | 08:03 | |
| skraynev | yeap :) | 08:03 |
| skraynev | nothing from my side | 08:03 |
| ramishra | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282016-07-12_0800_UTC.29 | 08:03 |
| ramishra | rituals;) | 08:03 |
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| ramishra | #topic n2 status | 08:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "n2 status (Meeting topic: heat)" | 08:03 | |
| ramishra | #link https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/newton-2 | 08:04 |
| stevebaker | can we talk bug #1546431? | 08:04 |
| openstack | bug 1546431 in heat "Tests fails with SQL error 'Command Out of Sync'" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1546431 | 08:04 |
| ramishra | this looks very clean to me;) | 08:04 |
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| ramishra | stevebaker: sure I'll add it | 08:04 |
| stevebaker | only one bp | 08:04 |
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| ramishra | yeah:) | 08:05 |
| stevebaker | i guess those 3 wishlist are mini BPs | 08:05 |
| stevebaker | I should do a heatclient release to go with this milestone | 08:06 |
| ramishra | Also there are quite a few high priority convergence issues around cancel update, empty resource list | 08:06 |
| tiantian | would you kindly to review the patches about "conditions": https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/heat+branch:master+topic:bp/support-conditions-function | 08:06 |
| ramishra | I think therve has moved them to n3 | 08:06 |
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| ramishra | stevebaker: yep, I'm waiting for the client release for some of my patches:) | 08:07 |
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| ramishra | so we are in good shape. | 08:08 |
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| stevebaker | now that zaneb is back we could maybe progress on the review for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/278231/ | 08:09 |
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| ramishra | yeah and cancel update patches too:) | 08:10 |
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| stevebaker | when is n-2 due to drop? | 08:10 |
| ramishra | Not sure, may be next week | 08:11 |
| stevebaker | http://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html | 08:11 |
| stevebaker | July 12-14 | 08:11 |
| ramishra | oh, this week | 08:11 |
| ramishra | so therve being away for the rest of this week, someone has to do the tagging, right? | 08:12 |
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| stevebaker | I guess. I could do it | 08:13 |
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| ramishra | that's nice, thanks! | 08:14 |
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| ramishra | moving on | 08:14 |
| ramishra | #topic bug #1546431 | 08:14 |
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| openstack | bug 1546431 in heat "Tests fails with SQL error 'Command Out of Sync'" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1546431 | 08:14 |
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| ramishra | stevebaker: over to you. | 08:15 |
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| stevebaker | we have an elastic recheck query for this so we can see how often it is happening, and how often it causes test failures | 08:15 |
| stevebaker | search for 1546431 on this page http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/ | 08:16 |
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| ramishra | I also did look at it, it seems to be failing most of the time for one funcional test StackValidation | 08:17 |
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| stevebaker | ramishra: did you have any ideas on how we could change the current save-and-unlock to avoid this? | 08:17 |
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| ramishra | Where we are deleting a IN_PROGRESS stack. | 08:17 |
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| ramishra | It's not linked to save-and-unlock specifically | 08:18 |
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| ramishra | stevebaker: if you've not seen my comment https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1546431/comments/5 | 08:18 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1546431 in heat "Tests fails with SQL error 'Command Out of Sync'" [High,Triaged] | 08:18 |
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| stevebaker | yeah, I saw that | 08:20 |
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| ramishra | We can fix the save-and-unlock related failure, by avoiding the call to that for IN_PROGRESS stacks | 08:21 |
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| ramishra | but we would still have failures for other cases. | 08:22 |
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| stevebaker | maybe those other cases won't cause test failures, so we can live with them | 08:23 |
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| ramishra | we'll have failures like http://logs.openstack.org/03/335303/3/check/gate-heat-dsvm-functional-orig-mysql-lbaasv2/ffb5434/logs/screen-h-eng.txt.gz#_2016-06-29_22_17_02_904 | 08:24 |
| ramishra | anyway, I will submit a patch for it. | 08:24 |
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| ramishra | #topic open discussion | 08:25 |
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| stevebaker | i'm still fighting with using a centos image in the gate jobs, no progress today | 08:26 |
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| stevebaker | other than that, I've got nothing | 08:27 |
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| ramishra | It seems we've less gate failures compared to last week | 08:28 |
| stevebaker | yeah, it could be only bug 1546431 and test image download failures | 08:29 |
| openstack | bug 1546431 in heat "Tests fails with SQL error 'Command Out of Sync'" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1546431 | 08:29 |
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| ramishra | ok, anything else to discuss? | 08:30 |
| stevebaker | i'm good | 08:30 |
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| skraynev | me too ;) | 08:31 |
| ramishra | ok, let's finish the meeting now and move back to #heat | 08:31 |
| ramishra | #endmeeting | 08:31 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 13 08:31:31 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2016/heat.2016-07-13-08.00.html | 08:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2016/heat.2016-07-13-08.00.txt | 08:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2016/heat.2016-07-13-08.00.log.html | 08:31 |
| stevebaker | \o | 08:31 |
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| prometheanfire | #startmeeting requirements | 12:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 13 12:00:27 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is prometheanfire. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 12:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 12:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: requirements)" | 12:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'requirements' | 12:00 |
| prometheanfire | #rollcall | 12:00 |
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| prometheanfire | #topic rollcall | 12:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: requirements)" | 12:01 | |
| prometheanfire | it's still early :D | 12:01 |
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| prometheanfire | anyone else here? | 12:02 |
| prometheanfire | tonyb prometheanfire number80 sigmavirus dims coreycb dirk? | 12:03 |
| number80 | o/ | 12:03 |
| dirk | o/ | 12:03 |
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| prometheanfire | I'll give it a couple more minutes to be sure it's just us | 12:04 |
| ramishra | wc | 12:04 |
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| prometheanfire | #topic Controversies in the Queue | 12:07 |
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| prometheanfire | anyone have anything before I bring up two things? | 12:08 |
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| * dirk is good | 12:09 | |
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| prometheanfire | #link https://review.openstack.org/337782 | 12:10 |
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| prometheanfire | oslo.utils thing again for liberty, looks like we are just waiting for the stable-maint team to give the final ok, *cough tony cough* | 12:11 |
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| number80 | well, it's a good compromise | 12:11 |
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| number80 | (is the second thing about monasca recent changesets?) | 12:12 |
| prometheanfire | ya, but those were abandoned | 12:12 |
| number80 | oh, they abandonned | 12:12 |
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| number80 | well, I hope they'll bring their topics on the list | 12:12 |
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| prometheanfire | they tried to add a bunch of things that duplicated functionality, tornado and the like, I hope they bring them up on the list as well | 12:13 |
| prometheanfire | anyone else? | 12:13 |
| number80 | I'm good, I recommend that another core +2 the ryu backport | 12:13 |
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| number80 | erm downgrade | 12:13 |
| prometheanfire | #topic optional requirements | 12:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "optional requirements (Meeting topic: requirements)" | 12:14 | |
| prometheanfire | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/optional-requirements-draft | 12:14 |
| number80 | thanks | 12:14 |
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| number80 | Well, now it mostly boils down to define what optional exactly is | 12:14 |
| prometheanfire | I forget who was working on it primarily, but I left a couple of comments in the etherpad | 12:14 |
| number80 | o/ | 12:14 |
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| number80 | well, my PoV was that g-r was the set of dependencies required to run a complete OpenStack cloud + big tent projects | 12:15 |
| number80 | optionals are dependencies that are nice to have, but not strictly required | 12:16 |
| prometheanfire | required to run is the question, monasca would say that their json parser is required, given the speed it offers | 12:16 |
| number80 | json parser speed is not really a requirement | 12:16 |
| prometheanfire | optional could be for features as well, only activated upon specific config options | 12:17 |
| number80 | monasca is likely to work fine with existing json | 12:17 |
| number80 | yup | 12:17 |
| prometheanfire | they may argue otherwise :P not to put words in their mouths | 12:17 |
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| prometheanfire | but only those two cases | 12:17 |
| number80 | I don't want to prevent projects to have such dependencies but they should try to run with trimmed g-r | 12:17 |
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| prometheanfire | would os-win fall under this? | 12:18 |
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| number80 | it would encourage people to use compat layer like anyjson or add one in oslo | 12:18 |
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| number80 | if we support windows platform, it should be in g-r | 12:18 |
| number80 | though, I personally think otherwise :) | 12:19 |
| number80 | s/otherwise/differently/ | 12:19 |
| prometheanfire | neutron plugins maybe then | 12:19 |
| number80 | Yes | 12:19 |
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| prometheanfire | I added a section to that etherpad with examples | 12:20 |
| number80 | excellent | 12:20 |
| prometheanfire | anything else for this? | 12:20 |
| number80 | Well, we need more input from other contributors before next step | 12:20 |
| prometheanfire | ya, but only one other person is around lol | 12:21 |
| number80 | yup | 12:21 |
| number80 | that means they trust us with important decisions :) | 12:21 |
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| prometheanfire | and leave us with the work :P | 12:22 |
| prometheanfire | next? | 12:22 |
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| prometheanfire | #topic tasks from etherpad | 12:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "tasks from etherpad (Meeting topic: requirements)" | 12:22 | |
| prometheanfire | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/requirements-tasks | 12:22 |
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| prometheanfire | not much going on for me with looking at more encompassing gating, but should have time 'soon' | 12:23 |
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| prometheanfire | not much else going on with those of us that are here, but we should generally be looking at upper-caps in g-r and specifically on psutil | 12:25 |
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| prometheanfire | nothing else for that topic? | 12:25 |
| number80 | yes, psutil case is tricky | 12:26 |
| number80 | (no, nothing else for the topic) | 12:26 |
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| prometheanfire | ok | 12:27 |
| prometheanfire | #topic Volunteer for next 2 meetings | 12:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Volunteer for next 2 meetings (Meeting topic: requirements)" | 12:27 | |
| prometheanfire | coreycb is running the meeting on 20 July | 12:27 |
| prometheanfire | number80: want to run a meeting? | 12:27 |
| prometheanfire | dirk: how about you? | 12:27 |
| number80 | next week works for me | 12:27 |
| prometheanfire | ok | 12:28 |
| prometheanfire | added to the list | 12:28 |
| prometheanfire | #topic open discussion | 12:28 |
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| dirk | prometheanfire: I can do 27th | 12:28 |
| prometheanfire | number80: this was for the 27th | 12:28 |
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| prometheanfire | dirk: that's good if number80 can't do it, otherwise you get it | 12:29 |
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| dirk | wfm | 12:29 |
| number80 | dirk: you can take the 27th | 12:29 |
| prometheanfire | ok | 12:29 |
| prometheanfire | so, how is everyone? | 12:30 |
| number80 | end of month and first week of august, I'm travelling in eastern europe | 12:30 |
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| prometheanfire | nice | 12:30 |
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| * dirk is knee deep under water preparing a few talks/demos | 12:31 | |
| dirk | one thing: do we want to submit a talk ? today is the last day for CfP | 12:31 |
| dirk | for openstack summit barcelona | 12:31 |
| prometheanfire | I'm not going to be able to go, have to be at a wedding the same week | 12:31 |
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| prometheanfire | and I HAVE to be at that | 12:32 |
| prometheanfire | a talk would be good | 12:32 |
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| prometheanfire | just a general status update, I'd be able to remote in if the internet is good :P | 12:32 |
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| number80 | dirk: how about a lightning talk? | 12:32 |
| dirk | prometheanfire: so you're participating in the wedding? | 12:33 |
| dirk | congratulations :) | 12:33 |
| prometheanfire | ya, best mad, brother's wedding | 12:33 |
| dirk | ah, ok | 12:33 |
| prometheanfire | well, best mad works too lol | 12:33 |
| dirk | number80: is the CFP also for lightning talks? | 12:34 |
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| dirk | I am not sure if we'd be for the general tracks anyway or more for the design summit | 12:34 |
| dirk | I guess design summit might get some attendance | 12:34 |
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| prometheanfire | ya, definitely design | 12:34 |
| dirk | I think the CFP deadline is only for general track | 12:34 |
| number80 | dirk: nope, directly managed by thingee | 12:34 |
| prometheanfire | we should definitely submit something though | 12:35 |
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| number80 | if you want to submit a talk in general track, you should do it but I'm not very optimistic about its chances | 12:35 |
| * dirk does not really want more work :) | 12:36 | |
| prometheanfire | ya, dev track is what I'd prefer | 12:36 |
| prometheanfire | dirk: you need an excuse :P | 12:36 |
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| prometheanfire | I don't think I can submit it since I won't be giving it, but we should definitely submit one for the dev track | 12:39 |
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| prometheanfire | also, we probably need to do the ptl thing | 12:39 |
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| prometheanfire | coolsvap and tonyb would be my nominations, though I know tonyb is already ptl of at least one other project | 12:41 |
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| dirk | maybe | 12:41 |
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| dirk | yeah, coolsvap is most active right now, he'd get my vote | 12:41 |
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| dirk | well, depends on the other candidates of course ;) | 12:41 |
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| prometheanfire | maybe a topic for the next meeting, where we have more attendance :P | 12:42 |
| prometheanfire | anyway, I'll try and find out if we need to submit the talk today for the dev track and also bring up the ptl thing, at least with tonyb when I see him later today (coworker) | 12:43 |
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| prometheanfire | anything else before I end this? | 12:43 |
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| prometheanfire | well, you get 15 minutes back | 12:45 |
| prometheanfire | #endmeeting | 12:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 12:45 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 13 12:45:54 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 12:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/requirements/2016/requirements.2016-07-13-12.00.html | 12:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/requirements/2016/requirements.2016-07-13-12.00.txt | 12:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/requirements/2016/requirements.2016-07-13-12.00.log.html | 12:45 |
| prometheanfire | heh, should have used #note | 12:46 |
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| vkramskikh | #startmeeting javascript | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 13 14:00:12 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is vkramskikh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'javascript' | 14:00 |
| vkramskikh | hey everyone | 14:00 |
| vkramskikh | who's there? | 14:00 |
| jaranovich | hi! | 14:00 |
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| jprivard | I'm here | 14:01 |
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| vkramskikh | we have th only topic to discuss | 14:02 |
| vkramskikh | #topic Integration with the libraries we've agreed on | 14:02 |
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| vkramskikh | we have a review request from krot_vaca_jul19 with integration with karma, babel and jasmine: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/334268/ | 14:02 |
| vkramskikh | I believe these libraries should be added in the single patch | 14:03 |
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| vkramskikh | there are lots of thing to discuss and change | 14:03 |
| vkramskikh | so I think it should be split into a few review requests | 14:03 |
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| vkramskikh | I've created a review request with Babel integration: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/334267/ | 14:04 |
| vkramskikh | I think it should be base request for all others and should be reviewed first | 14:04 |
| vkramskikh | so please review, though I don't think it will be merged until the next week | 14:04 |
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| vkramskikh | since we agreed with krot_vaca_jul19 that we should merge each other review requests | 14:05 |
| vkramskikh | I'll prepare review request with Webpack soon | 14:05 |
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| vkramskikh | that's all I wanted to say :) I believe next week things will go faster | 14:06 |
| vkramskikh | any questions on this? | 14:06 |
| jaranovich | support your idea to proceed with separate requests, this definitely will make review process faster | 14:06 |
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| jaranovich | what about requests for karma and node-fetch ? | 14:06 |
| jaranovich | i see TBD for them in the agenda | 14:06 |
| vkramskikh | they should go next | 14:06 |
| vkramskikh | I've only dealt with babel by now | 14:07 |
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| vkramskikh | #topic Open discussion | 14:08 |
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| vkramskikh | does anyone have anything else to discuss? | 14:08 |
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| vkramskikh | hi cardeois__ :) | 14:09 |
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| cardeois__ | hey hi ! sorry for to be late | 14:10 |
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| jprivard | we still love you :) | 14:10 |
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| cardeois | ahah oh you | 14:10 |
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| vkramskikh | we don't have much to discuss, I just wanted to announce that I wanted to split https://review.openstack.org/#/c/334268/ into a few requests, one request for one library | 14:10 |
| vkramskikh | I've started with babel https://review.openstack.org/#/c/334267/ , webpack will go next | 14:10 |
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| cardeois | oh ok, why not yes. I have some reviews depending on that, but I'll deal with it | 14:11 |
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| vkramskikh | do you have anything else to discuss? | 14:11 |
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| cardeois | Well maybe one thing | 14:12 |
| cardeois | I was just wondering how we want to architecture our openstack-library | 14:12 |
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| cardeois | Should we base our work from fuel, or maybe pythonopenstack-sdk ? If I'm correct we are trying to do a javascript version of this sdk right? | 14:13 |
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| vkramskikh | I believe we should base on pythonopenstack-sdk - Fuel don't have much stuff to base on | 14:14 |
| vkramskikh | but I think we should wait for krotscheck to come back from his vacation - I don't have strong opinion on this | 14:14 |
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| cardeois | Yeah that's what I was thinking too. As it would be nice for user using our library to have a seamless transition from python to javascript (if they want to switch) | 14:14 |
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| cardeois | Sure we can wait, I was just wondering if this was agreed already or not | 14:15 |
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| vkramskikh | no it wasn't | 14:15 |
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| vkramskikh | that's a nice topic for the next meeting | 14:16 |
| cardeois | In case you missed it I've created a review for the first step of devstack gate https://review.openstack.org/#/c/339748/4 | 14:16 |
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| vkramskikh | I'll take a look, though I see it's based on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/334268/ | 14:17 |
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| cardeois | My main concern I have left are: | 14:17 |
| cardeois | - Do we want coverage for functional tests? (I did it but it's not blocking) | 14:17 |
| cardeois | - I generate a cloudsConfig file similar to clouds.yaml but it's not very nice, I'll let you read that | 14:17 |
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| cardeois | it is because I needed tests, and didn't want to setup jasmine again | 14:17 |
| cardeois | and karma, and istanbul... | 14:18 |
| vkramskikh | I believe for both of your questions we need to wait for krotscheck | 14:18 |
| vkramskikh | I'll try to create separate review requests for karma and rebase https://review.openstack.org/#/c/334268/ on it by the end of this week | 14:19 |
| cardeois | ok sure | 14:20 |
| cardeois | If you create some jasmine tests try to put them in `test/unit` so we would have `test/functional` later (see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/339679/2) | 14:20 |
| vkramskikh | ok :) | 14:21 |
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| cardeois | Oh yeah and one last thing (we'll have to wait for krotscheck too I guess) but for our unit tests we'll have to define a way to mock our `fetch` calls returning promises | 14:21 |
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| cardeois | As we use an isomorphic library it's not obvious, and I guess we don't want to have 10 lines of setup in each test to moch an ajax call | 14:22 |
| cardeois | So we'll have to find/use/create a library for easy mocking of fetch | 14:22 |
| vkramskikh | I'm dealing with the same issue in Fuel right now :) we used to use Sinon but it doesn't work with fetch | 14:22 |
| cardeois | We could try https://www.npmjs.com/package/fetch-mock but I don't know if it works well | 14:23 |
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| cardeois | they say isomorphic-fetch is handled though | 14:23 |
| vkramskikh | me too. I'll post it to #openstack-javascript if I find it out first | 14:23 |
| cardeois | OK great | 14:24 |
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| cardeois | I won't be able to work much on that this week, sorry. I'll try to spend the few hours I have left on devstack | 14:24 |
| cardeois | But I could help next week | 14:24 |
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| vkramskikh | find, I believe we won't have integration with babel/jasmine/karma by the next week anyway | 14:25 |
| vkramskikh | because we I agreed I can't merge my own review requests | 14:25 |
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| cardeois | yeah make sense | 14:26 |
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| cardeois | Alright, I've nothing else to talk about. Do you? | 14:27 |
| vkramskikh | I don't. let's end the meeting then | 14:27 |
| vkramskikh | #endmeeting | 14:27 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 13 14:27:41 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:27 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/javascript/2016/javascript.2016-07-13-14.00.html | 14:27 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/javascript/2016/javascript.2016-07-13-14.00.txt | 14:27 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/javascript/2016/javascript.2016-07-13-14.00.log.html | 14:27 |
| cardeois | Alright bye ! | 14:27 |
| vkramskikh | bye :) | 14:27 |
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| Zara | anyone about for the storyboard meeting? | 15:00 |
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| SotK | hi | 15:00 |
| Zara | #startmeeting storyboard | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 13 15:01:15 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Zara. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 15:01 |
| Zara | #topic Announcements | 15:01 |
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| Zara | anyone have anything to announce? | 15:01 |
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| Zara | I have nothing on the agenda | 15:01 |
| Zara | moving on | 15:01 |
| SotK | I also have nothing to announce | 15:01 |
| Zara | #topic Urgent Items | 15:01 |
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| Zara | similarly, nothing on the agenda | 15:02 |
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| anteaya | hello, sorry for being late | 15:02 |
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| anteaya | I have nothing urgent | 15:02 |
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| Zara | I guess I might as well plug these patches again: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:its-storyboard | 15:03 |
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| Zara | since those are the most urgent thing in my mind right now-- gerrit-storyboard integration patches! | 15:03 |
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| Zara | we think the need for this patch is blocking them: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/340529/ | 15:03 |
| Zara | so if anyone has a chance to review, please do | 15:03 |
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| Zara | (we think that's the cause of one of the linting tests failing in the gate) | 15:04 |
| Zara | okay, I'll move on now | 15:04 |
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| Zara | #topic In-Progress Work | 15:04 |
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| Zara | I've been doing misc bugfixes, title self-explanatory really | 15:04 |
| SotK | The API stuff for editing comments is merged | 15:04 |
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| SotK | I'm about to resend the webclient patch for it | 15:05 |
| Zara | also revisited my 'view all boards' patch. realised it made sense to do search more generally and then put it in there. | 15:05 |
| Zara | nice | 15:05 |
| SotK | which now works for logged out people too | 15:05 |
| Zara | hehe | 15:05 |
| anteaya | SotK: is there a way to disable editing of comments yet? | 15:05 |
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| SotK | yes, the aforementioned patches make it so that editable comments are disabled by default | 15:06 |
| Zara | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/341562/ (for boards search wip) | 15:06 |
| anteaya | ah thank you | 15:06 |
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| Zara | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/279753/ for all-boards things | 15:06 |
| Zara | I'm just linking for the logs, really; don't recommend anyone reviews yet | 15:06 |
| Zara | but they're there if anyone's curious | 15:06 |
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| SotK | it should now be impossible to edit comments on storyboard.openstack.org via the API, but I haven't checked | 15:07 |
| Zara | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/333418/ (comments-editing patch) | 15:07 |
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| anteaya | SotK: thanks, if I get a moment to test I will let you know | 15:07 |
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| Zara | other in progress things... well, I've mentioned the gerrit integration work already. :) zaro has helped us out a LOT with this, and we're really grateful! :D | 15:08 |
| anteaya | yay! | 15:09 |
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| Zara | automatic worklists are going to be 100000% more exciting once we have everything set up | 15:09 |
| anteaya | cool | 15:09 |
| SotK | I've resent the complex priorities stuff but forgot to fix some variable names | 15:09 |
| Zara | haha | 15:09 |
| anteaya | I'm continuing to work on the api doc examples and am grateful for the help and reviews I get thank you | 15:10 |
| Zara | :) | 15:10 |
| anteaya | I think we might have passed the halfway mark | 15:10 |
| SotK | you're welcome :) | 15:10 |
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| SotK | I think we probably have | 15:10 |
| anteaya | yay! | 15:10 |
| anteaya | :) | 15:10 |
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| Zara | any other in-progress things? | 15:11 |
| anteaya | I have nothing else | 15:12 |
| * SotK neither | 15:12 | |
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| Zara | okay, great, and thanks again for updating those docs :) | 15:12 |
| Zara | I have nothing listed for discussion, so... | 15:12 |
| Zara | #topic Open Discussion | 15:12 |
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| Zara | well that was quick | 15:12 |
| Zara | anything to discuss? | 15:12 |
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| anteaya | thank you for the help to update the docs :) | 15:13 |
| anteaya | I have nothing I would like to introduce for discussion | 15:13 |
| * SotK neither | 15:13 | |
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| Zara | hm, actually, have we heard anything further about task-tracker migration? I wanted a timeout for creating the list of blocking features | 15:18 |
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| anteaya | well as I had said before I have been wanting to get the api examples in place prior to approaching folks | 15:19 |
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| * SotK has only heard about a couple of things that people *don't* see as blocking features | 15:19 | |
| anteaya | as my previous attempts to get people's opinions came down to, how do you use the api | 15:19 |
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| anteaya | once the api is documented such that people can actually use it, then my question to people will be "if we move to storyboard tomorrow, will you be able to work?" | 15:20 |
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| anteaya | but asking that quesiton prior to ensuring they can figure out how to use the api, just creates frustration with not even being able to answer my question | 15:21 |
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| anteaya | if folks want to take over any of my patches to get the api doc examples work to move faster, I'm more than happy for folks to do so | 15:22 |
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| Zara | okay. I think we're at the point where most of the more common operations are documented (thank you!) so we're happy to field questions for odd corner cases. | 15:22 |
| anteaya | okay can we prioritize moving through the rest of my patches? | 15:22 |
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| anteaya | I can unwip them all to get them merged so the docs at least have something | 15:23 |
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| Zara | anteaya: unfortunately priorities aren't mine and SotK's choice to make; it's a ct management thing and they're not on the list, though we can get to them first as long as we're on top of other things. | 15:24 |
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| anteaya | okay that is fine | 15:25 |
| anteaya | but that is my update on the gap analysis | 15:25 |
| Zara | we will try as fast as possible, if we'd had more warning about them as blockers we could've probably got them on the list so it's a shame :( | 15:25 |
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| anteaya | I know you want a list of things and I'm sorry I don't have it for you | 15:25 |
| anteaya | but I don't feel that haveing a list of "how do you use the api" is very useful | 15:25 |
| anteaya | I understand | 15:26 |
| anteaya | I don't have a list for you | 15:26 |
| anteaya | and I hope you can understand my position as to why that is | 15:26 |
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| * SotK will try to provide more examples where required soon | 15:27 | |
| anteaya | SotK: thanks, I'm grateful | 15:27 |
| anteaya | I didn't want to put pressure on you since I know you are working so hard on other things | 15:27 |
| anteaya | and thanks for your help | 15:27 |
| Zara | yeah, it's fine, on the plus side other things are moving faster than expected so we should get to them, I just want it to be clear why we can't say it's an official priority in this channel | 15:27 |
| anteaya | I understand | 15:27 |
| anteaya | thanks for being clear | 15:27 |
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| Zara | any other discussion points? | 15:33 |
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| SotK | I've got nothing | 15:35 |
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| anteaya | me either | 15:36 |
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| Zara | okay, I think I've left it open long enough! I'm going to end the meeting. :) thanks everyone. | 15:40 |
| Zara | #endmeeting | 15:40 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 13 15:40:45 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2016/storyboard.2016-07-13-15.01.html | 15:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2016/storyboard.2016-07-13-15.01.txt | 15:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2016/storyboard.2016-07-13-15.01.log.html | 15:40 |
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| smcginnis | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 13 16:00:24 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
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| smcginnis | Hey everyone. | 16:00 |
| xyang | hi | 16:00 |
| jseiler | hi | 16:00 |
| erlon | hey | 16:00 |
| ntpttr | hi everyone | 16:00 |
| dulek | o/ | 16:00 |
| eharney | hi | 16:00 |
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| jgregor | Hey | 16:00 |
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| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:01 |
| jacob-infinidat | hi | 16:01 |
| baumann | Hi | 16:01 |
| watanabe_isao | o/ | 16:01 |
| _alastor_ | o/ | 16:01 |
| geguileo | Hi | 16:01 |
| guyr-at-infinida | Hi | 16:01 |
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| smcginnis | ping dulek duncant eharney geguileo winston-d e0ne jungleboyj jgriffith thingee smcginnis hemna xyang tbarron scottda erlon rhedlind jbernard _alastor_ vincent_hou kmartin patrickeast sheel dongwenjuan JaniceLee cFouts Thelo vivekd adrianofr mtanino yuriy_n17 karlamrhein diablo_rojo jay.xu jgregor baumann rajinir wilson-l reduxio wanghao thrawn01 chris_morrell watanabe.isao | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | #topic Announcements | 16:01 |
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| DuncanT | Hey | 16:01 |
| winston-d | o/ | 16:01 |
| cFouts | hi | 16:01 |
| patrickeast | o/ | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | We are at the N-2 milestone. | 16:01 |
| scottda | hi | 16:01 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | I will be submitting the request to tag the milestone later today. | 16:02 |
| bswartz1 | Yesterday actually | 16:02 |
| e0ne | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderMeetings#Next_meeting | 16:02 |
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| mtanino | o/ | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | bswartz1: Well, technically 12-14. :) | 16:02 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: I'm very disappointed about os-brick release blocker:( | 16:02 |
| bswartz1 | Yeah sometime this week | 16:02 |
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| dulek | Do we have anything that needs to get in before N-2 gets tagged? | 16:03 |
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| smcginnis | e0ne: I agree. | 16:03 |
| bswartz1 | Don't worry we're late too | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | dulek: For the most part it's just a mark in the sand, so I don't think there's anything critical we need to make sure gets in before we mark the release. | 16:03 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: we're blocked for more than one month:( | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-spec-review-tracking Review focus | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | SO we have a lot to get done yet for the release. | 16:04 |
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| tbarron | hi | 16:04 |
| bswartz1 | What about new drivers? There's a deadline for those to merge right? | 16:04 |
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| e0ne | bswartz1: deadline is mitaka-2 milestone | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | A lot of focus lately has been on the new drivers, but we really need to start focusing on the release priorities we identified in Austin. | 16:04 |
| e0ne | bswartz1: oops, newton-2 | 16:04 |
| hemna | mep | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | bswartz1: Last night was the deadline at 00:00 PDT. | 16:04 |
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| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-cinder-midcycle Midcycle planning | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | Next week is the midcycle. | 16:05 |
| hemna | did we not have some drivers make it ? | 16:05 |
| DuncanT | I'll be attending remotely only :-( | 16:05 |
| timwilliams | Sean we submitted something for our driver just after the time last night any chance that can make it in? | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | hemna: Yeah, a few missed the cut off. | 16:06 |
| hemna | any reason to keep trying to land any ? | 16:06 |
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| smcginnis | timwilliams: Which driver? It's a hard deadline, so likely not, but there is one that was just hung up on a slow CI that we should discuss later if we should let that one through. It had positive votes and was otherwise ready. | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | hemna: No, I think otherwise we need to stick to our deadlines and move on to the more important stuff. | 16:07 |
| hemna | timwilliams, review url ? | 16:07 |
| hemna | timwilliams, do you have CI in place, reporting and passing ? | 16:08 |
| timwilliams | The falconstor driver you had made a review comment last night our developer submitted fixes just after your review | 16:08 |
| timwilliams | Sorry for being late | 16:08 |
| hemna | otherwise I'd say you don't have much of a chance of an extension | 16:08 |
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| timwilliams | Yes it past the publich CI this morning | 16:08 |
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| hemna | ok, well it's really up to the PTL to decide on extensions or not. | 16:08 |
| timwilliams | Okay I understand | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: ++ | 16:09 |
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| smcginnis | OK, I'd like input from the community. My take is if code is being pushed up after the deadline, the deadline is missed. | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | That said, these were really close. | 16:10 |
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| smcginnis | And otherwise looking pretty good. | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | We had three drivers in question: | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | Falconstor had updates needed. | 16:10 |
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| smcginnis | Violin had a slow CI, but was otherwise in place in time. | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: IMHO if they had things posted prior to deadline and made fixes based on comments, AND have a CI system running then I think they should be allowed to finish up | 16:11 |
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| smcginnis | And Infinidat we need to discuss in a bit because it is a bigger topic. | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: I would say, as with other releases. If the code is pushed up and there is just a slow CI or something and you are ok with it getting merged, that is fine. | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Yeah, that was what I was trying to say. | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: as far as Violins CI, we all know the trials and tribulations of running CI's :( | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: OK, I'm good with Violin. | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: True! | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | Falconstor I have not looked at yet. | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Cool. I +2'd this morning. Will merge when CI reports. | 16:12 |
| hemna | jgriffith, +1 | 16:12 |
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| jacob-infinidat | re:Infinidat driver - will be happy to discuss. (thats us) | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | Let's move on in the agenda and get to that. | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | #topic 3rd party CI | 16:12 |
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| smcginnis | watanabe_isao: Hi | 16:13 |
| watanabe_isao | smcginnis, hi | 16:13 |
| watanabe_isao | smcginnis, am I up? | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | #link https://github.com/openstack-infra/system-config/commit/4fb97f7ed44272fdde51cd373dd465314ed913ed Third party recheck recommendation | 16:13 |
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| smcginnis | watanabe_isao: Yep. If you can give an overview, otherwise I think I got it and can also discuss. | 16:13 |
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| patrickeast | ah splendid, another recheck command for ci's | 16:14 |
| watanabe_isao | smcginnis, sure. | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | patrickeast: hehe | 16:14 |
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| watanabe_isao | OK, it is more like a fake alarm now. | 16:14 |
| watanabe_isao | Infra asked all CIs support recheck and system: recheck. However the fix has been reverted. | 16:15 |
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| smcginnis | watanabe_isao: So the recommendation is to standardize third party CI recheck triggers on the format "[name]: recheck" | 16:15 |
| erlon | watanabe_isao: I think most of CIS on Cinder are using run XXXCI, isn't better to stick to this intead of having everyone to change? | 16:15 |
| watanabe_isao | Now it is just recheck only, others is fine. | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | watanabe_isao: Oh, it was reverted? How come? | 16:15 |
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| smcginnis | I really wish we could standardize on a recheck trigger just for CIs so we don't waste gate resources. | 16:16 |
| hemna | smcginnis, +1 | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | Well, we kind of did. We did official state for Cinder at least all CIs should recheck on "run-[ci name]" | 16:16 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: +1 | 16:16 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: +1 | 16:16 |
| watanabe_isao | smcginnis, no the recommendation now is just recheck. Others like for us, we decided "run XXX CI" is fine. | 16:16 |
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| smcginnis | watanabe_isao: I guess we just stick to our own guidance then? Nothing official from infra. | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | watanabe_isao: So, we do not need to change what our drivers are doing. | 16:17 |
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| xyang | watanabe_isao: recheck will trigger everything to run, that’s what we are trying to avoid | 16:17 |
| watanabe_isao | What I want to say is, we need to ask CIs to support not only "run XX CI", but also recheck. | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | "run-XX" | 16:18 |
| watanabe_isao | smcginnis, yes "run-XX" | 16:18 |
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| smcginnis | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Cinder/tested-3rdParty-drivers#How_do_I_trigger_my_CI_to_rerun_on_gerrit_comments.3F Official Cinder CI recheck recommendation. | 16:18 |
| erlon | watanabe_isao: you mean CIs should also respond to recheck not only run-XX?? | 16:19 |
| watanabe_isao | erlon, yes. | 16:19 |
| patrickeast | erlon: yea | 16:19 |
| erlon | watanabe_isao: ok, got it | 16:19 |
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| smcginnis | The problem there for me is my CI triggers on a Jenkins +1, so if I trigger on a "recheck" I will run, then run again once Jenkins passes. | 16:19 |
| _alastor_ | Regardless of what the format is, as long as it's documented accurately on the wiki I'm happy :) | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | So that's a no from me. | 16:19 |
| xyang | watanabe_isao: you were just saying system: recheck is reverted? | 16:20 |
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| bswartz | IMO respond to recheck after jenkins votes +1 ¬_¬ | 16:20 |
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| smcginnis | bswartz: +1 | 16:20 |
| e0ne | bswartz: good point, I agree | 16:20 |
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| bswartz | presumably the user is rechecking because jenkins voted -1, and if you CI chose not to ran after than then wait again | 16:20 |
| watanabe_isao | xyang, yes "system: recheck" is reverted. That also means you can have "system: recheck" but not forced by infra. | 16:20 |
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| smcginnis | OK, so kick off either on recheck if you don't trigger on Jenkins +1, or wait for Jenkins +1 is fine (recommended). And support "run-CIName" for individual CI runs. | 16:21 |
| smcginnis | watanabe_isao: Anything else then? | 16:21 |
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| watanabe_isao | smcginnis, one more | 16:21 |
| hemna | smcginnis, what is the official word on how long a 3rd party CI can fail before drivers are removed ? | 16:22 |
| watanabe_isao | smcginnis, how about we ask CI mentioners to update this in their wiki? | 16:22 |
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| smcginnis | watanabe_isao: I did ask that a couple times in the past. Some have updated the wiki and some have not. | 16:22 |
| _alastor_ | I already sent out an email this week to all the CI maintainers | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | But we should probably keep asking. | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | _alastor_: Thanks! | 16:23 |
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| bswartz | hemna: 5 years? | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | hemna: Not sure. One week? | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | bswartz: Hah! | 16:23 |
| hemna | lolz | 16:23 |
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| bswartz | 1 week isn't even long enough to cover someone going on vacation | 16:23 |
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| smcginnis | I probably will have to put up some removal patches soon. We have a few drivers that have not reported in quite a while. | 16:23 |
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| erlon | smcginnis: there are acually a lot of CIs that are showing up | 16:23 |
| hemna | 1 week is too short IMHO | 16:24 |
| smcginnis | bswartz: 2 weeks? | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: Yeah, way too short for removal. | 16:24 |
| erlon | I counted 80 drivers, +-30 CIs in this patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/336092/ | 16:24 |
| smcginnis | A subjective amount of time between 1 week and "what the heck happened to those guys?" | 16:24 |
| bswartz | there needs to be an escalation path and removal should only be considered at last resort | 16:24 |
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| patrickeast | imo something like 2 weeks without any response becomes a problem... if they are working on it, have the wiki updated showing its under maintenance or whatever thats ok | 16:24 |
| _alastor_ | Just so folks know, I built a simple ci-status tool that you can use to quickly check if a ci is reporting without relying on a third-party. https://github.com/openstack/third-party-ci-tools/tree/master/monitoring/ci-status | 16:24 |
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| smcginnis | patrickeast: I agree with that. | 16:25 |
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| hemna | I'd just like to get it documented, so that everyone knows it's there. | 16:25 |
| jungleboyj | bswartz: Agreed. | 16:25 |
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| hemna | I have a feeling there are some that need to be removed. | 16:25 |
| * DuncanT emails people occasionally about broken CIs, but not to any schedule | 16:25 | |
| hemna | ... | 16:25 |
| smcginnis | hemna: Right, we should be very clear on our policy. | 16:25 |
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| hemna | smcginnis, +1 | 16:25 |
| smcginnis | But I do think we have been very clear in all our documentation that a consistently reporting CI is an absolute requirement. | 16:25 |
| eharney | i think we also need to consider where we are in the release cycle for removal -- doing it near the end of the release is not good when we're past feature freeze etc | 16:25 |
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| jgriffith | _alastor_: nice | 16:25 |
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| smcginnis | eharney: Right | 16:26 |
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| jungleboyj | I think people should be notified after a week or so and then given up to a month depending on responsiveness and what the issue is. | 16:26 |
| hemna | I think that's too long man | 16:26 |
| hemna | if you can't get your CI working in 4 weeks? | 16:26 |
| hemna | you aren't doing it right. | 16:26 |
| hemna | notified after 1 week, 2 weeks to fix after that. | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | Let's discuss this more at the midcycle. | 16:27 |
| eharney | however, pulling a driver in less than a month is pretty extreme | 16:27 |
| hemna | even that seems long to me. | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: Fair enough | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: That is my concern. | 16:27 |
| e0ne | hemna: sounds good | 16:27 |
| eharney | mine too | 16:27 |
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| hemna | the entire point of having CI up is that it reports and is functional | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | watanabe_isao: I'm going to move on if that's OK. | 16:27 |
| watanabe_isao | smcginnis, yes sir | 16:27 |
| hemna | if it's broken, then there is no value in 3rd party CI at all. | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | I think 3 weeks is good. No less than 2 though. | 16:27 |
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| smcginnis | Can someone make sure CIs are on the midcycle agenda? | 16:28 |
| bswartz | I agree a month is plenty long to fix issues, but removal for first violation is a bit extreme -- maybe censure the vendor and only remove repeat offenders | 16:28 |
| e0ne | hemna: +2 | 16:28 |
| eharney | but, given the failure rates we see in general on third party CI this far into the efforts ... | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | #topic Guidance for drivers that use external libs | 16:28 |
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| smcginnis | DuncanT: I have some opinions here as well, but please take it away. | 16:28 |
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| jungleboyj | Yeah, good topic for mid-cycle. | 16:28 |
| DuncanT | I bought this one up, since I was very unhappy with one driver, then they (quite reasonably) pointed out that the IBM driver is the same | 16:28 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: :-) Here we go again. | 16:29 |
| hemna | (added it to the midcycle etherpad) | 16:29 |
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| e0ne | DuncanT: I'm agree with you. it's not opensourced driver | 16:29 |
| DuncanT | I consider a cinder driver that contains nothing but one line calls into an external library to be effectively closed source | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | hemna: Thanks | 16:29 |
| _alastor_ | Here's an example of a query to see which CIs have reported in the last month: http://pastebin.com/raw/nhHaiP3k | 16:29 |
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| hemna | DuncanT, +1 | 16:29 |
| bswartz | what's the license on the library? | 16:29 |
| eharney | DuncanT: even if the lib is apache-licensed? | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: +2 | 16:30 |
| bswartz | if the library is also apache then I don't agree | 16:30 |
| DuncanT | License doesn't matter to me, I don't want to have to pull it to figure out basics | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | Even with a public library, I feel if all that is in Cinder just wraps calls to this library, there is no need to have it in tree. | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | _alastor_: the 30+ days entry indicates nothing in last 30 days right? | 16:30 |
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| smcginnis | That's just a marketing ploy, and we have more important things to use up our time. | 16:30 |
| _alastor_ | jgriffith: Yes | 16:30 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: +2 | 16:30 |
| DuncanT | I think a good guideline is generic functions in external libs is ok, but cinder specific stuff should all be in-tree | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | _alastor_: smcginnis DuncanT nuke them | 16:31 |
| e0ne | DuncanT: we have to document it in our guidelines | 16:31 |
| hemna | smcginnis, +1 | 16:31 |
| _alastor_ | jgriffith: Well, I would probably verify that I'm not lying about it first :P | 16:31 |
| guyr-at-infinida | smcginnis: there's one caveat; if a driver wants to be on the HCL, he needs to be included in the tree, isn't that right? | 16:31 |
| DuncanT | i.e. an external lib should never import cinder.* | 16:31 |
| smcginnis | There is the OpenStack marketplace for vendors that want their offering known. | 16:31 |
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| smcginnis | That is for marketing purposes. | 16:31 |
| smcginnis | There is no HCL. | 16:31 |
| bswartz | DuncanT: that's a very hard judgement to make -- who decides if what the driver does is generic or cinder specific? | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | _alastor_: nah... you're a sharp guy, I trust ya. And I'm not on the list so all is good :) | 16:31 |
| hemna | guyr-at-infinida, then why have your entire driver code outside cinder to begin with. | 16:31 |
| guyr-at-infinida | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderSupportMatrix | 16:32 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: I agree. The driver in question is looking to resolve the issue. | 16:32 |
| jungleboyj | The question of library licensing, however, could be complicated. | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | We are not VMware. We do not publish and HCL and we are not running a certification program. | 16:32 |
| DuncanT | bswartz: Start with if you need to import cinder.* then you're being cinder specific | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: +1 | 16:32 |
| jungleboyj | What is the license on the HP and NetApp libraries that are pulled in? | 16:32 |
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| jgriffith | so not to be annoying (but I am)... we tend to rat hole on this topic an awful lot | 16:33 |
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| jungleboyj | There are a number of vendors that leverage external libraries. | 16:33 |
| DuncanT | licensing for me is simple - it needs to be freely distributable and repackagable - I don't actually care about anything else, though I understand others might | 16:33 |
| hemna | my client libraries are apache | 16:33 |
| hemna | same as openstack | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: Ok, that is good. | 16:33 |
| hemna | and the source is all available on github | 16:33 |
| hemna | AND, my drivers aren't shims to the library. | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | hemna: and available on github and Pypi so effectively open IMO | 16:33 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Leveraging external libraries - OK. Having your entire driver implementation external to Cinder is the point in question. | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: Right, that is where we have an issue. | 16:33 |
| hemna | the libraries are purely for REST communication. | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: ++ | 16:33 |
| hemna | all of the logic if the drivers is in our drivers. | 16:34 |
| hemna | of | 16:34 |
| DuncanT | hemna: I haven't had a problem with the HP libraries, I can read the driver code and get a good idea how it works, which is what I /actually/ care about | 16:34 |
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| smcginnis | DuncanT: +1 | 16:34 |
| dulek | In case someone has just calls to other lib - why not simply support it as pip installable driver? Then you can enable it with volume_driver = vendor.sth.CinderDriver, right? | 16:34 |
| jungleboyj | So, personal opinion is having the shim isn't right. I am working to resolve that to get it to the point where you can see all the Cinder stuff going on. | 16:34 |
| DuncanT | dulek: Yup | 16:34 |
| jungleboyj | Not sure that I would be able to win the battle to release the underlying library. I am sure others would have the same problem. | 16:34 |
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| bswartz | DuncanT: imagine if some vendor implemented a REST API that exactly matched the cinder driver interface and every driver call was a 1 line rest call to their proprietary implementaion. Would that bother you? | 16:35 |
| hemna | dulek, I wish all Cinder drivers were just pip packages..... | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: I may starting to be swayed to your side on the remove drivers from tree proposal. ;) | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | Ya know ya'll can use the same lib method but have it in tree | 16:35 |
| dulek | And having all the code in external lib prevent Cinder team from fixing anything inside them… | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: haha! | 16:35 |
| hemna | smcginnis, w00t! | 16:35 |
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| patrickeast | smcginnis: jgriffith: do we have that as a topic at the mid-cycle :D | 16:35 |
| jungleboyj | patrickeast: It is going to be. | 16:36 |
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| smcginnis | Maybe we should. | 16:36 |
| hemna | patrickeast, we do now :) | 16:36 |
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| dulek | :) | 16:36 |
| DuncanT | bswartz: I'm not sure TBH. | 16:36 |
| patrickeast | maybe check in and see how its going for the neutron folks | 16:36 |
| bswartz | DuncanT: I'm afraid there are too many gray areas and you can't draw a clear line around what's allows vs not allowed | 16:36 |
| * DuncanT is still against out-of-tree drivers, but we can debate that again at the appropriate time | 16:36 | |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: Yeah ... Agreed. | 16:37 |
| hemna | we can argue that again in Ft. Collins. | 16:37 |
| hemna | it's worth talking about I thinks....even if we do it again. | 16:37 |
| jungleboyj | I think the closed drivers are the more immediate concern. | 16:37 |
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| hemna | at least it's not taskflow. | 16:37 |
| DuncanT | bswartz: We can and should give guidance though, and the two cases we've got (IBM's and the one proposed) are IMO clearly wrong | 16:37 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: ++ | 16:37 |
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| smcginnis | DuncanT: I think it would be bad for Cinder quality, but if we're moving to the point of effectively being out of tree while putting in breadcrumbs so users can see the name in the Cinder source, what's the point? | 16:37 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: IBMer agrees. :-) | 16:37 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: So, XIV and DS8k are working to pull the code into tree. No more shim. | 16:38 |
| jacob-infinidat | one of the rationales for us being able to keep some logic out-of-tree is to enable adoption of new functionality in the storage array that becomes available after/before next release of Cinder. | 16:38 |
| bswartz | yes and human judgement should matter too, but the decision is likely to be controversial no matter what | 16:38 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Excellent | 16:38 |
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| patrickeast | i tend to lean towards the side of its OK, as long as the lib being used is the right license... but i don't package and distribute openstack, so maybe my motivations aren't lining up with others | 16:38 |
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| guyr-at-infinida | If there's a proper test suite and CI reporting - moving the drivers out of the tree won't damage the quality | 16:39 |
| patrickeast | or support other vendors drivers ** | 16:39 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: We are working on figuring out how we can do it. I need to work with you guys to understand the expectations as far as libraries being used. | 16:39 |
| e0ne | infinidat library: License: PSF | 16:39 |
| hemna | jacob-infinidat, and also to fix bugs in drivers outside the release cycle of openstack....re fixing Kilo bugs in drivers that can never land upstream due to upstream policy | 16:39 |
| smcginnis | jacob-infinidat: "some logic out-of-tree" < that's an understatement though, right? Everything is out of tree other than an empty wrapper. | 16:39 |
| _alastor_ | jacob-infinidat: We maintain a public github repository with bleeding edge changes that haven't made it into the Cinder tree yet | 16:39 |
| DuncanT | patrickeast: I'm less worried about packaging (except cases like Netapp where we weren't allowed to distribute) but for just understanding the code to figure out if a change will work or not | 16:39 |
| _alastor_ | jacob-infinidat: Specifically for that reason | 16:39 |
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| hemna | most of our customers aren't running in life support openstack releases. | 16:39 |
| eharney | fixing bugs in stable branches is a mess if all of the code is in an external lib, too | 16:39 |
| hemna | :( | 16:40 |
| patrickeast | DuncanT: yea, so i mean... its a trade off the vendors/driver maintainers have to make | 16:40 |
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| smcginnis | DuncanT: Good point. | 16:40 |
| patrickeast | DuncanT: if they want full control to make changes whenever to their *real* driver, they can... but it means others might break it on accident | 16:40 |
| jungleboyj | My 0.02 is that the Cinder logic should all be in-tree. If there is a library required to actually interface with the backend, we shouldn't really care. | 16:40 |
| smcginnis | If we get stuck being able to not move forward on something - that's a huge issue. | 16:40 |
| DuncanT | jungleboyj: +1 | 16:40 |
| smcginnis | It's now on us to make sure we don't break everything external. | 16:40 |
| jungleboyj | The difference is whether that code is running locally or out on the backend in question. :-) | 16:40 |
| hemna | the biggest issue for me is getting bug fixes in drivers that can't land upstream, due to being out of support lifecycle. | 16:41 |
| hemna | pip packages solves that. | 16:41 |
| patrickeast | hemna: definitely | 16:41 |
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| jacob-infinidat | hemna: +1 | 16:41 |
| e0ne | hemna: +1 | 16:41 |
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| hemna | I face this very frequently | 16:41 |
| patrickeast | trying to get changes into downstream distros, even like a month or two after a release is painful | 16:41 |
| hemna | yup | 16:42 |
| bswartz | IMO any code running inside the python interpreter should be apache licensed -- so anything the driver imports -- beyond that it gets really hard to draw a clear boundary | 16:42 |
| hemna | the upstream policy on lifecycle support works for the core of the project, just not for 3rd party drivers. | 16:42 |
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| DuncanT | hemna: Core bugs are no less frequent than driver bugs in my experience.... it sounds like the openstack support period is broken and we're trying to hack around it rather than fix the actual issue? | 16:43 |
| jacob-infinidat | IMHO the focus should be on strengthening the CI and making it as strict as possible, rather than relying on code reviews. | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | So how about this - we maintain a docs page that vendors can propose patches to add their name and installation points for their out of tree drivers. | 16:43 |
| eharney | jacob-infinidat: that will not work | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | In order for us to approve those doc patches we need to see their CI reporting on patches. | 16:43 |
| jacob-infinidat | eharney: please elaborate | 16:43 |
| patrickeast | jacob-infinidat: thats been the plan for years, still a WIP | 16:43 |
| DuncanT | jacob-infinidat: You can' just rely on CI, since there are a /lot/ of bad ways of doing things that break in subtle ways that don't show up on a small CI | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | Then they are "official" but we don't need to care. | 16:43 |
| eharney | jacob-infinidat: CI is best for ensuring common behaviors and preventing regressions -- it will never find many of the bugs that can be found by careful review | 16:44 |
| smcginnis | eharney: +1 | 16:44 |
| bswartz | DuncanT: the *upstream* support period has always been broken, by design, so that downstream distros have to carry the burden of backporting fixes to releases that customers actually run | 16:44 |
| DuncanT | eharney: ++ | 16:44 |
| eharney | this is a fallacy that i think a lot of us have been on the wrong side of here | 16:44 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: it will works onluy with good working 3rd party CI, IMO | 16:44 |
| DuncanT | I don't think our CI is even close to being good enough to move to that model yet | 16:45 |
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| smcginnis | e0ne: Right. And same policy - if CI stops reporting we can remove the driver from Cinder (remove its info from docs) | 16:45 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Interesting work around. | 16:45 |
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| e0ne | DuncanT, unfortunately, you're right | 16:45 |
| smcginnis | It's a compromise for sure. | 16:45 |
| hemna | and there are lots of skips in 3rd party CI as well | 16:45 |
| DuncanT | We'd kill any forward progress on core changes (or just trash code quality even more) | 16:45 |
| hemna | CI has always been unstable | 16:46 |
| jacob-infinidat | judging by the list of growing cinder drivers, I wonder how scalable the on-going code-review process is. | 16:46 |
| hemna | infra has always been unstable | 16:46 |
| hemna | horribly so | 16:46 |
| e0ne | there is one more problem with CIs | 16:46 |
| hemna | they don't tag infra projects | 16:46 |
| hemna | and don't stabilize them | 16:46 |
| hemna | it's always a moving target. it's a nightmare | 16:46 |
| e0ne | we don't verify that it runs all cinder-related tests | 16:46 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: It doesn't really address the question of licensing with drivers that need their own library to interact with the backend. | 16:47 |
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| hemna | jungleboyj, I think the licensing issue is completely separate | 16:47 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: I actually don't care then. If they are not trying to be part of the Cinder source, so be it. | 16:47 |
| jungleboyj | Do we really need to pull out drivers because of library licensing?> | 16:47 |
| hemna | but if it's a shim to a non opensource library ? | 16:47 |
| DuncanT | e0ne: Log scraping the CIs currently is an epic project... there are at least 7 different formats last time I tried | 16:47 |
| hemna | I think that's bad mmmkay | 16:48 |
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| jungleboyj | hemna: Yeah, I guess that is my main concerns. We can talk more about that at the mid-cycle though. | 16:48 |
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| jungleboyj | hemna: Yeah, that is bad. No argument here. | 16:48 |
| DuncanT | smcginnis: 3rd party packagers have to care about licensing | 16:48 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: we need an expert in licencing | 16:48 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: It wouldn't be packaged though. | 16:48 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: *Gag* | 16:48 |
| jacob-infinidat | hemna: and what if the library is opensource - i.e. on github with Apache license? | 16:48 |
| DuncanT | smcginnis: Not by you, but RDO or Helion or similar need to package it | 16:48 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: They wouldn't be able to either. But that would be a decision for the given vendor to make it they care. | 16:49 |
| bswartz | I'm actually interested in solving the log-scraping problem for Manila too -- I think the best option is to mandate a common format | 16:49 |
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| patrickeast | from my experience they don't package them... | 16:49 |
| DuncanT | smcginnis: I think that's a rode to madness | 16:49 |
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| patrickeast | its up to the vendor to go add code to tripleo, for fuel or whatever to install them | 16:49 |
| smcginnis | I don't think we are going to get a resolution here today. | 16:49 |
| hemna | jacob-infinidat, like....https://github.com/hpe-storage then I think it's ok. but the driver can't be a shim to the library IMHO. | 16:49 |
| e0ne | jacob-infinidat: TBH, your driver could fit in 3 lines. it's not an open driver, IMO | 16:49 |
| hemna | e0ne, +1 | 16:50 |
| smcginnis | Let's devote an afternoon in Ft Collins to this. | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | patrickeast: indeed... for better or worse :) | 16:50 |
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| e0ne | class InfiniboxVolumeDriver(InfiniboxVolumeDriver): pass | 16:50 |
| e0ne | done | 16:50 |
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| _alastor_ | smcginnis: +1 | 16:50 |
| DuncanT | jacob-infinidat: My big problem with your driver is I can't read it and get an idea how it works. I don't even know the transport, the features, nothing | 16:50 |
| dulek | e0ne: You're right. :D | 16:50 |
| patrickeast | smcginnis: +1 | 16:50 |
| e0ne | class InfiniboxVolumeDriver(infinidat_openstack.cinder.volume.InfiniboxVolumeDriver): pass | 16:50 |
| DuncanT | jacob-infinidat: That's not a good thing to have in-tree IMO | 16:51 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: +1 I need to get more info on my side and would like to talk more. | 16:51 |
| hemna | DuncanT, +1 | 16:51 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Definitely | 16:51 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: I got agreement to move away from the shim though. | 16:51 |
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| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Certainly | 16:51 |
| jacob-infinidat | DuncanT: to be fair, it is here: https://github.com/infinidat/cinder/ | 16:51 |
| _alastor_ | DuncanT: +1 | 16:51 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: and DuncanT can celebrate. | 16:51 |
| guyr-infindiat | https://github.com/infinidat/infinidat_openstack/ | 16:52 |
| hemna | smh | 16:52 |
| DuncanT | jacob-infinidat: And if I have to check out 80 git repos to grep for a function usage or similar (something I do frequently during reviews) I'm stuffed | 16:52 |
| hemna | I really don't like seeing forks of cinder on github :( | 16:52 |
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| e0ne | I would like -2 on it only because it doesn't follow openstack code guidelines | 16:52 |
| jungleboyj | :-( | 16:52 |
| guyr-infindiat | openstack users treat the CinderSupportMatrix as the HCL | 16:52 |
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| eharney | just to mirror what DuncanT was saying, if you want your driver to work in distros like RDO, having it (actually, fully) in-tree is a huge advantage | 16:52 |
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| guyr-infindiat | it has been listed so in some presentations in the last conference | 16:53 |
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| DuncanT | jacob-infinidat: It also doesn't follwo code conventions, isn't reviewed by the community and is generally a huge additional pain to core reviews | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | hemna: I love my forks | 16:53 |
| guyr-infindiat | but that's the thing -- its not for core reviewers | 16:53 |
| e0ne | guyr-infindiat: please, don't mix marketing and technical things | 16:53 |
| hemna | if folks are forced to fork cinder in github just to maintain their driver, then Cinder has failed IMO | 16:53 |
| smcginnis | It has been listed as what drivers are in tree. There are many vendors that supply a driver directly to their customers that are not in tree. | 16:54 |
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| guyr-infindiat | we implement the API you define and we're giving support for it | 16:54 |
| DuncanT | guyr-infindiat: It /has/ to be for core reviewers when we're trying to change core things (active/active H/A for example) | 16:54 |
| guyr-infindiat | we're unburdening you from maintaining it | 16:54 |
| DuncanT | guyr-infindiat: I have spend literally /hours/ going through drivers for H/A work | 16:54 |
| eharney | that's not unburdening... it ends up being a huge burden when it breaks and i want to figure out why | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | guyr-infindiat: just FYI, I know you probably haven't heard this before BUT OpenStack and Cinder is not just an API | 16:54 |
| guyr-infindiat | but at least put my name of the drivers list, because that's what my customers are looking for | 16:54 |
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| e0ne | hemna: it depends on why did they fork cinder | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | guyr-infindiat: that's been an interesting conversation point for years | 16:54 |
| hemna | e0ne, as I said, to support their driver... | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | hemna: backport of features for customers | 16:55 |
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| smcginnis | OK, for the sake of moving this forward - do we just accept the Infinidat driver for now and in Ft Collins come up with an official policy that may result in it's removal (and others that are not compliant) in Ocata? | 16:55 |
| hemna | this is one of the arguments for making drivers pip packages | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | anyway... what's the topic currently? | 16:55 |
| e0ne | hemna: IMO, it's good enough before it will be merged to upstream | 16:55 |
| hemna | the forks of cinder are making my argument for me. | 16:55 |
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| DuncanT | guyr-infindiat: There's a difference between wrapping generic calls that are unique to your backend (which is a good thing, often) and hiding conder related logic out-of-tree | 16:55 |
| bswartz | out of tree drivers are fine but they shouldn't get recognition from this community at all -- we should be able to act as if they don't exist | 16:55 |
| jacob-infinidat | DuncanT: for the active/active H/A work - couldnt it have been covered through CI ? | 16:55 |
| eharney | smcginnis: i'd rather we pick a policy and then merge it later rather than push it in and back out | 16:56 |
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| smcginnis | eharney: Problem being our deadline was yesterday. | 16:56 |
| eharney | smcginnis: i.e. exception for later merge in newton if the criteria are met etc | 16:56 |
| hemna | jgriffith, backporting features and fixing bugs to old releases, could also get solved w/ pip packages of drivers. | 16:56 |
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| hemna | bleh | 16:56 |
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| hemna | horse....dead. | 16:56 |
| DuncanT | jacob-infinidat: CI is not H/A at all, and you need to do thousands of runs to have a hope of catching some of the races I'm looking at, so no, not at all | 16:56 |
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| jgriffith | hemna: haha... sorry, my example is actually changes to cinder's core code base | 16:56 |
| smcginnis | Are folks OK with that. We hold on this until after the midcycle, then allow it in if it's determined to be acceptable? | 16:56 |
| jgriffith | anyway... it's irrelevant and doesn't matter | 16:56 |
| sdake | yo | 16:57 |
| sdake | sorry wrong channel | 16:57 |
| smcginnis | sdake: ;) | 16:57 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: I think that is fair. | 16:57 |
| patrickeast | smcginnis: yea that sounds like a good plan | 16:57 |
| DuncanT | smcginnis: I'd rather hold off and merge late if we come to a decision | 16:57 |
| hemna | jgriffith, ah ok that's different and a real fork of cinder. | 16:57 |
| smcginnis | eharney, hemna, jgriffith: OK with you? | 16:57 |
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| e0ne | smcginnis: for note: I will vote to not add such drivers to cinder | 16:57 |
| hemna | I'm more concerned with forks of cinder just to mx a driver | 16:57 |
| jungleboyj | We are agreed that those of us that are in violation but currently in will have until Ocata to work this out? | 16:57 |
| DuncanT | hemna: Most distributions are forks of openstack currently | 16:57 |
| DuncanT | jungleboyj: I'm fine with that | 16:58 |
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| jgriffith | smcginnis: I'm fine | 16:58 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: Ok, cool. | 16:58 |
| eharney | smcginnis: yes | 16:58 |
| smcginnis | OK, no action at this point, we defer to the midcycle. | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: honestly it's how we've done it in the past :) | 16:58 |
| smcginnis | 2 minutes left | 16:58 |
| smcginnis | #topic Logo | 16:58 |
| jacob-infinidat | sorry to do finger-pointing here, but it does seem like there is a double standard here. Where there is at least one additional cinder driver that is similar 'external' to our submission | 16:58 |
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| smcginnis | Just want this brought up. | 16:58 |
| jacob-infinidat | and its in. | 16:58 |
| hemna | DuncanT, yah and that's usually to fix bugs in core, and some to fix driver bugs that can't make it upstream, because there is no mechanism to backport fixes to older releases | 16:58 |
| smcginnis | Attempt to standardize logos across projects. | 16:58 |
| jungleboyj | jacob-infinidat: Yes, and we are addressing that. | 16:58 |
| dulek | I want to explain myself - I've added two mascot propositions to the etherpad, but if there's a possibility of keeping our brick logo, then I would prefer that. :) | 16:58 |
| hemna | pip packages of drivers fixes the driver issues. | 16:58 |
| smcginnis | We'll have to discuss later, but wanted to make sure everyone is aware of it. | 16:58 |
| DuncanT | hemna: Yup. Would be much easier if the -stable trees lasted longer.... | 16:59 |
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| jgriffith | dulek: I don't think there is :( | 16:59 |
| e0ne | hemna: thats why I like 'out-of-tree-drivers' idea | 16:59 |
| smcginnis | And we're out of time. | 16:59 |
| eharney | i love the volcano ideas | 16:59 |
| timwilliams | smcginnis: just want to lobby one more time if any chance to revist falconstor driver https://review.openstack.org/#/c/331579 thanks... | 16:59 |
| smcginnis | Thanks everyone. | 16:59 |
| xyang | dulek: they say it must be something from nature | 16:59 |
| smcginnis | timwilliams: Will do. | 16:59 |
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| jungleboyj | dulek: ++ | 16:59 |
| dulek | jgriffith: "They would like to work with Cinder to either update the existing logo to look like the new style or come up with a new one to be consistent with the other projects | 16:59 |
| dulek | " | 16:59 |
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| timwilliams | thnaks! | 16:59 |
| jungleboyj | xyang: Bricks are based on natural resources. ;-) | 16:59 |
| patrickeast | haha | 16:59 |
| smcginnis | They did contact me about keeping our logo but maybe tweaking it. | 17:00 |
| patrickeast | just a rock | 17:00 |
| hemna | e0ne, +1 | 17:00 |
| xyang | jungleboyj: :) | 17:00 |
| smcginnis | I hope we can do that. | 17:00 |
| smcginnis | That's all folks. | 17:00 |
| smcginnis | Thanks | 17:00 |
| dulek | :D | 17:00 |
| xyang | can we pick a rock? | 17:00 |
| jgriffith | dulek: oh, I though it had to be an animal, nature etc | 17:00 |
| smcginnis | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 13 17:00:13 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
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| jgriffith | xyang: LOL | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-07-13-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-07-13-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-07-13-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
| xyang | closer to brick than an animal | 17:00 |
| hemna | :) | 17:00 |
| scottda | brick-shaped rock | 17:00 |
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| diablo_rojo1 | scottda: +1 | 17:00 |
| jungleboyj | Something fun to chat about next week. :-) | 17:00 |
| xyang | :) | 17:00 |
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| jungleboyj | scottda: ++ | 17:00 |
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| rpioso | o/ | 17:01 |
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| sambetts|cat | #startmeeting ironic_qa | 17:03 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 13 17:03:44 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sambetts|cat. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:03 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic_qa)" | 17:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic_qa' | 17:03 |
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| rajinir | o/ | 17:04 |
| watanabe_isao | o/ | 17:04 |
| sambetts | Hi everyone, krtaylor and jlvillal can't chair today so I'm taking this one | 17:04 |
| rpioso | \o | 17:04 |
| sambetts | The agenda for this meeting can be found here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic-QA | 17:04 |
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| sambetts | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic-QA | 17:05 |
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| sambetts | #topic Announcements | 17:05 |
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| sambetts|cat | #topic Announcements | 17:06 |
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| sambetts|cat | Apprently it didn't like me changing my nick after starting the meeting | 17:06 |
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| sambetts|cat | Anyone got any announcements?? | 17:07 |
| rajinir | -:) | 17:07 |
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| sambetts|cat | I take silence to mean there are no Announcements, moving on to the next topic | 17:08 |
| sambetts|cat | #topic Multi-node Grenade testing of Ironic | 17:08 |
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| sambetts|cat | Any one got any updates on this topic? | 17:09 |
| sambetts|cat | there are a couple of patches are address this topic right now | 17:09 |
| sambetts|cat | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/335981/ | 17:09 |
| sambetts|cat | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/332490/ | 17:10 |
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| sambetts|cat | vsaienk0 around? | 17:11 |
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| sambetts|cat | Nope, ok moving onto the next topic... | 17:12 |
| sambetts|cat | #topic 3rd Party CI | 17:12 |
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| sambetts|cat | Anyone got any updates? | 17:12 |
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| rajinir | Can we discuss the recheck syntax? | 17:12 |
| sambetts|cat | Sure | 17:12 |
| rajinir | "<System> recheck" is what I saw in the email | 17:13 |
| sambetts|cat | #link http://docs.openstack.org/infra/system-config/third_party.html#requirements | 17:13 |
| watanabe_isao | rajinir, it has been reverted now. | 17:13 |
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| sambetts|cat | yeah, there was a change merged into the docs that suggested that <system_name>: recheck was going to be the standard for this | 17:14 |
| sambetts|cat | that has since been reverted | 17:14 |
| watanabe_isao | For now it is just recheck, and whatever you want. | 17:14 |
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| sambetts|cat | I still think you shouldn't begin your message with recheck | 17:15 |
| rajinir | "recheck <vendor>" ? | 17:15 |
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| rajinir | Will it trigger jenkins to run as well? | 17:15 |
| sambetts|cat | because that will recheck jenkins at the same time | 17:15 |
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| watanabe_isao | redrobot, no just "recheck" | 17:15 |
| rajinir | yes, that's what I was concerned with | 17:15 |
| sambetts|cat | the regex used by jenkins is ^recheck .*$ | 17:15 |
| watanabe_isao | redrobot, sorry I was sending to rajinir | 17:15 |
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| redrobot | watanabe_isao no worries | 17:16 |
| sambetts|cat | I think third party CIs should support both | 17:16 |
| watanabe_isao | sambetts|cat, +1 | 17:16 |
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| sambetts|cat | that and one that doesn't trigger jenkins | 17:16 |
| rajinir | +1 | 17:16 |
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| watanabe_isao | I just talked this in cinder's meeting in the last one hour. | 17:17 |
| watanabe_isao | In their rule it was "run-XXX" and "recheck" | 17:17 |
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| sambetts|cat | currently my CIs command is "cisco-ironic-recheck" | 17:18 |
| watanabe_isao | So I am wandering maybe we can have a "super-ironic-recheck-keyword-XXX" | 17:18 |
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| rajinir | watanabe_isao: lol | 17:18 |
| sambetts|cat | I suggest <system-name>-recheck | 17:18 |
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| rajinir | sambetts|cat: +1 | 17:19 |
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| watanabe_isao | sambetts|cat, we are using rerun Fujitsu iRMC CI, but <system-name>-recheck looks good.+1 | 17:19 |
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| rajinir | sambetts|cat: Can we put it in the wiki? | 17:20 |
| thiagop | man, why are these things changing? | 17:20 |
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| thiagop | I need to see find the review | 17:20 |
| thiagop | find* | 17:20 |
| sambetts|cat | I'm not really sure why they reverted the change in the docs :/ something about they want to get rid of comment based recheck in the future I think | 17:21 |
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| sambetts|cat | so CIs today with the scheme we just described would look like: cisco-ironic-recheck, ufcg-oneview-recheck, ibm-powerkvm-recheck, hp-proliant-recheck, dell-ironic-recheck | 17:23 |
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| sambetts|cat | (sorry to anyone I missed) | 17:23 |
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| watanabe_isao | fujitsu-irmc-recheck | 17:23 |
| thiagop | just oneview-recheck would work? | 17:24 |
| thiagop | :) | 17:24 |
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| rajinir | Control + I https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ThirdPartySystems has to be updated with this recheck keyword | 17:24 |
| * thiagop likes things short | 17:24 | |
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| sambetts|cat | rajinir: we don't have control over that, that is the infra third party system documentation, and they reverted their patch about this recently | 17:25 |
| rajinir | sambetts|cat: This wiki is not that, its the pages updated by the maintainers | 17:26 |
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| sambetts|cat | oooh yup sorry miss read the link | 17:26 |
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| thiagop | fyi: https://github.com/openstack-infra/system-config/commit/6fea446ff80ad75307082c3c01ea93a800a761cb | 17:26 |
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| rajinir | Recheck-Trigger sample https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ThirdPartySystems/datera-ci | 17:27 |
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| watanabe_isao | Maybe we can add a "Recheck trigger" information to your wiki, like https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ThirdPartySystems/Fujitsu_iRMC_CI | 17:27 |
| sambetts|cat | thiagop: right, so I guess the question is do we implement our own or wait for the team that governs third party systems to come to some consensus | 17:28 |
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| sambetts|cat | #link https://github.com/openstack-infra/system-config/commit/6fea446ff80ad75307082c3c01ea93a800a761cb | 17:28 |
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| rajinir | wait for consensus | 17:29 |
| thiagop | sambetts|cat: Let's get simple: we need a syntax now because we need to test and retrigger CI's all the time. If we wait for a consensus from infra, we'll be stuck. | 17:29 |
| watanabe_isao | wait for consensus | 17:29 |
| rajinir | or not | 17:29 |
| thiagop | We can implement our own and watch when they have a consensus | 17:29 |
| rajinir | thiago:+1 | 17:29 |
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| sambetts|cat | so everyone is ok with updating their systems once they have consensus? | 17:30 |
| thiagop | As long as we keep complying with 'recheck' and doesn't implement one for each CI... | 17:30 |
| watanabe_isao | thiagop, and for now it was cisco-ironic-recheck, ufcg-oneview-recheck, ibm-powerkvm-recheck, hp-proliant-recheck, dell-ironic-recheck, fujitsu-irmc-recheck | 17:30 |
| thiagop | we can even keep the '<system>: recheck' for now until they finish their discussion... | 17:30 |
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| sambetts|cat | yeah, they might go back to that^ | 17:31 |
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| sambetts|cat | so we could go with that for now and then we might have to change or we might not depending on the discision they make | 17:31 |
| thiagop | +1 | 17:31 |
| watanabe_isao | So does it mean: cisco-ironic: recheck, ufcg-oneview: recheck, ibm-powerkvm: recheck, hp-proliant: recheck, dell-ironic: recheck, fujitsu-irmc: recheck | 17:32 |
| rajinir | +1 | 17:32 |
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| sambetts|cat | watanabe_isao: yup | 17:32 |
| watanabe_isao | +1 | 17:32 |
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| sambetts|cat | now I see them all lined up like that I think I know why it was reverted :-P | 17:32 |
| watanabe_isao | thiagop, ops! is it s/ufcg-oneview: recheck/oneview: recheck/g ? because you want it for short.:) | 17:33 |
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| thiagop | sambetts|cat: I don't... | 17:34 |
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| sambetts|cat | IMO its looks nicer to have it as a single "word" ie. no spaces etc | 17:35 |
| sambetts|cat | s/: /-/ | 17:35 |
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| sambetts|cat | basically what we had before, but thats my opinion | 17:36 |
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| thiagop | fine to me, as long as we document that somewhere (and as 'temporary' while infra decides) | 17:36 |
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| sambetts|cat | I'm not sure if we have anywhere to document it right now | 17:37 |
| watanabe_isao | sambetts|cat, the wiki | 17:37 |
| sambetts|cat | which wiki? | 17:37 |
| watanabe_isao | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ThirdPartySystems/Cisco_Ironic_CI | 17:37 |
| sambetts|cat | I mean document the scheama | 17:38 |
| thiagop | ML then? | 17:38 |
| sambetts|cat | We probably should have a third party CI guide here I think -> http://docs.openstack.org/developer/ironic/#developer-s-guide | 17:39 |
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| watanabe_isao | how about this one? https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/ironic-specs/specs/not-implemented/third-party-ci.html | 17:40 |
| thiagop | This is the spec... | 17:40 |
| sambetts|cat | yea | 17:40 |
| rajinir | Document here https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Ironic/Testing and send email to the Ironic group? | 17:40 |
| thiagop | I know this one that could be linked: http://docs.openstack.org/infra/openstackci/third_party_ci.html | 17:41 |
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| sambetts|cat | Yeah, linking out to that makes a lot of sense, I think we should have a page some where in the offical docs that links to tools like Molton Iron etc too | 17:42 |
| rajinir | Links +1 | 17:42 |
| watanabe_isao | +1 | 17:42 |
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| thiagop | +1 | 17:44 |
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| sambetts|cat | can someone take the AI to maybe push a doc page into ironic docs with this information? | 17:44 |
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| thiagop | I'm pinned with a deadline right now | 17:46 |
| * sambetts|cat is also pinned | 17:46 | |
| sambetts|cat | Time check 15 mins BTW | 17:46 |
| thiagop | But I may find time to do it on the end of the week/start of the next | 17:46 |
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| thiagop | if nobody else can do it earlier, of course | 17:47 |
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| thiagop | Any other points on the agenda for this section? | 17:48 |
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| rajinir | I can give it a try | 17:48 |
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| rajinir | Is it just the links? | 17:49 |
| thiagop | rajinir: link me on the review, please | 17:49 |
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| rajinir | or add the retrigger schema info? | 17:49 |
| rajinir | and/ | 17:49 |
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| rajinir | thiagop:will add you all | 17:50 |
| sambetts|cat | the links, the retrigger info, and probably some of the other notes from here https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Ironic/Testing and the spec about the requirements | 17:50 |
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| rajinir | got it | 17:51 |
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| rajinir | Have to drop now | 17:51 |
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| rajinir | later | 17:51 |
| watanabe_isao | BTW, is the current re trigger info "XXX-recheck" or "XXX: recheck"? | 17:52 |
| thiagop | XXX-recheck | 17:52 |
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| thiagop | to avoid spaces, as sambetts|cat suggested | 17:53 |
| thiagop | but we can vote if anybody disagrees | 17:53 |
| watanabe_isao | and I think we also need to support "recheck", too. | 17:53 |
| sambetts|cat | yup, we'll use rajinir's review to vote on the schema | 17:53 |
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| sambetts|cat | yes | 17:53 |
| thiagop | *5min warning* | 17:53 |
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| thiagop | yeah, 'recheck' is mandatory | 17:53 |
| sambetts|cat | +1 | 17:53 |
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| watanabe_isao | I have no other comment. | 17:54 |
| sambetts|cat | Nothing left from me, I'll open the last 5 minutes to Open Discussion | 17:55 |
| sambetts|cat | #topic Open Discussion | 17:55 |
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| watanabe_isao | thiagop, the CFP. lgtm. o(^^)b | 17:56 |
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| thiagop | Just for the record, we (me, sambetts|cat , rajinir , watanabe_isao and mjturek1) are submitting a panel about third party ci testing with Ironic | 17:56 |
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| thiagop | We hope everybody struggling with setting up CI's join us to share experiences in Barcelona :) | 17:57 |
| sambetts|cat | \o/ | 17:57 |
| watanabe_isao | and please vote the CFP. m(_ _)m | 17:58 |
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| watanabe_isao | The name is ... | 17:58 |
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| watanabe_isao | The Red Pill for Ironic Third Party CI | 17:58 |
| sambetts|cat | heh cool name :-P | 17:59 |
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| sambetts|cat | Ok everyone our times up | 18:01 |
| sambetts|cat | thanks for coming | 18:01 |
| sambetts|cat | #endmeeting | 18:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 13 18:01:25 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2016/ironic_qa.2016-07-13-17.03.html | 18:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2016/ironic_qa.2016-07-13-17.03.txt | 18:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2016/ironic_qa.2016-07-13-17.03.log.html | 18:01 |
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| bh526r | #startmeeting gluon | 18:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 13 18:04:59 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bh526r. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:05 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'gluon' | 18:05 |
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| pcarver | hi | 18:05 |
| bh526r | #hello, welcome to Gluon kick off meeting | 18:05 |
| ALUVial | hi. Vince here | 18:05 |
| bh526r | Hi Paul, | 18:05 |
| bh526r | Hi Vince | 18:05 |
| georgk | Hi | 18:05 |
| krenczewski | hi | 18:06 |
| tomhamb | Hi | 18:06 |
| bh526r | Hi Georg | 18:06 |
| Jeffreyc42 | Hi Guys | 18:06 |
| kamal__ | Hi All | 18:06 |
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| bh526r | Hi Tom | 18:06 |
| bh526r | Hi all guys | 18:06 |
| bh526r | The meeting agenda is https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Gluon/Agenda-20160713 | 18:06 |
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| bh526r | and welcome everybody | 18:07 |
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| bh526r | #topic Roll Call | 18:07 |
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| bh526r | #info Bin Hu | 18:07 |
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| tomhamb | #info Tom Hambleton | 18:07 |
| georgk | #info Georg Kunz | 18:07 |
| ALUVial | #info Vince Button | 18:07 |
| Jeffreyc42 | #info | 18:07 |
| Jeffreyc42 | #info Jeff Collins | 18:08 |
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| kamal__ | #info kamal__ | 18:08 |
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| pcarver | #info Paul Carver | 18:08 |
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| bh526r | #topic Admin Update | 18:08 |
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| krenczewski | #info Kamil Renczewski | 18:08 |
| bh526r | This is our first, kick-off meeting | 18:09 |
| bh526r | We will miss DJ because of his another overlapping meeting | 18:09 |
| bh526r | Not sure if Ian is here or not | 18:09 |
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| bh526r | So we have had our repo setup | 18:10 |
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| bh526r | and wiki (skeleton) setup too. | 18:10 |
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| ALUVial | can we add stuff to today's agenda? | 18:10 |
| bh526r | And we can start to work in our repo and wiki | 18:10 |
| bh526r | Sure | 18:11 |
| bh526r | what do you propose to discuss? | 18:11 |
| ALUVial | Openstack Barcelona presentations | 18:11 |
| ALUVial | Etherpad locations | 18:11 |
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| bh526r | Good suggestion. | 18:11 |
| Jeffreyc42 | yea, since they are do today | 18:11 |
| bh526r | Let me finish quick admin update, and we can discuss your suggestion first | 18:12 |
| ALUVial | great! | 18:12 |
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| bh526r | From admin perspective, we need to have official election of PTL | 18:12 |
| anteaya | no you don't, you just have to decide within your group | 18:13 |
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| anteaya | you only have to participate in the official elections if you are listed in the governance/projects.yaml file | 18:13 |
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| bh526r | I see. Thank you for the information | 18:13 |
| anteaya | welcome | 18:13 |
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| ALUVial | who wants the job? put your name forward. | 18:14 |
| bh526r | Ok, we can decide within our group | 18:14 |
| bh526r | If no one else volunteer, perhaps I can volunteer to this job | 18:14 |
| ALUVial | bin +1 | 18:14 |
| tomhamb | Bin, I thought you were the PTL | 18:14 |
| bh526r | Thank you Vince and Tom | 18:15 |
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| bh526r | Any other suggestion or volunteer? | 18:15 |
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| Jeffreyc42 | I would say Ian but I don't think he has time. Bin I think you would be a good choice. | 18:16 |
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| bh526r | Thank you Jeff. | 18:16 |
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| Jeffreyc42 | Bin +1 | 18:16 |
| georgk | same here | 18:16 |
| kamal__ | I'm fine with Bin being the PTL | 18:17 |
| georgk | Bin +1 | 18:17 |
| tomhamb | Bin +1 | 18:17 |
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| bh526r | Thank you everyone | 18:17 |
| pcarver | Bin +1 | 18:17 |
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| bh526r | And let us rotate every 6 month or so - the OpenStack way of operation | 18:18 |
| Jeffreyc42 | ok | 18:18 |
| Jeffreyc42 | Bin looks like you are PTL | 18:18 |
| Jeffreyc42 | whats next on the agenda? | 18:18 |
| bh526r | Thank you. | 18:18 |
| bh526r | #info Group unanimously elected Bin as PTL | 18:19 |
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| bh526r | #topic OpenStack Barcelona Presentation and Etherpad Location | 18:19 |
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| bh526r | Next topic is Barcelona presentation, becasue due time is midnight today | 18:20 |
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| bh526r | We have prepared 2 submissions | 18:20 |
| bh526r | One is more strategic level and business oriented | 18:20 |
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| bh526r | And the other one is technical level and implementation-centric | 18:21 |
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| bh526r | Vince, I assume you want to discuss the strategic submission (Panel)? | 18:21 |
| ALUVial | Sure | 18:22 |
| ALUVial | #info https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/call-for-presentations/manage/15732/summary | 18:22 |
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| ALUVial | Haseeb created the original. | 18:22 |
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| ALUVial | I made some edits to make it less technical, and based on Ian's suggestion submitted it with Openstack | 18:22 |
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| ALUVial | Presenters should be able to edit, but the full verbage is in the email also | 18:23 |
| Jeffreyc42 | Is it actually submitted even though we can still edit it? | 18:23 |
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| ALUVial | Ian, me, Jeff and Marco can edit up till the deadline | 18:23 |
| ALUVial | yes. Please make updates right up to the deadline | 18:23 |
| Jeffreyc42 | ok, then it auto-finalizes? | 18:24 |
| ALUVial | Toby as moderator for some reason cannot edit it. | 18:24 |
| ALUVial | yes. It finalizes at the deadline | 18:24 |
| bh526r | I was about to ask if Toby can edit it or not | 18:24 |
| Jeffreyc42 | ok | 18:24 |
| ALUVial | email us any edits if you are not a presenter | 18:24 |
| bh526r | So he cannot, but I think he is fine with it | 18:24 |
| georgk | can you post a link without the "mange" in the URL | 18:24 |
| georgk | I cannot access it at all like this | 18:25 |
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| ALUVial | the latest email is current. Please send edits via email and Jeff, me, Ian or Marco can add them. | 18:26 |
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| ALUVial | or if we have an etherpad we could edit collaboratively and periodically upload the changes | 18:26 |
| Jeffreyc42 | I don't see a link without the manage part | 18:26 |
| bh526r | I think it is the system limitation. Once it is finalized and open for vote, everyone can see it | 18:26 |
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| georgk | ok, well | 18:27 |
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| bh526r | The technical one is https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/call-for-presentations/manage/15092/summary | 18:27 |
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| bh526r | It was drafted by me, and edited by Nikolas, Tom and commented by Ian | 18:28 |
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| bh526r | Let me share with you via email too because non-presenter cannot see it | 18:28 |
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| kamal__ | thanks bh526r | 18:29 |
| georgk | yes, please | 18:29 |
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| bh526r | after this meeting (I am off VPN now, and cannot send/receive email) | 18:29 |
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| bh526r | any other things on this topic? | 18:30 |
| Jeffreyc42 | Here is an ether for the panel | 18:30 |
| Jeffreyc42 | https://etherpad.opnfv.org/p/Gluon_OpenStack_Panel | 18:30 |
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| bh526r | cool, let me post it there too to save everyone's time | 18:31 |
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| Jeffreyc42 | ok | 18:32 |
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| ALUVial | great jeff. I was doing that simultaneously. you type faster | 18:32 |
| Jeffreyc42 | :) | 18:32 |
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| ALUVial | Can everyone review both submissions and +1 by email later | 18:34 |
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| Jeffreyc42 | yes | 18:34 |
| georgk | yes, will do that | 18:34 |
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| bh526r | OK, just posted to Etherpad | 18:35 |
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| bh526r | Please review, and email any changes needed, or +1 | 18:36 |
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| bh526r | ok, anything else on this topic? | 18:37 |
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| bh526r | move to next item | 18:37 |
| bh526r | #topic Discussion of Repository Structure | 18:38 |
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| bh526r | We have old repo in github | 18:38 |
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| bh526r | when we move to new repo, some optimization/restructure is needed | 18:38 |
| bh526r | Ian had some idea, and Tom had some suggestions | 18:39 |
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| bh526r | Because Ian is absent now, Tom, can you share your proposal? | 18:39 |
| tomhamb | I think we need to talk about process. I am new to the Openstack tools. | 18:39 |
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| tomhamb | I started documenting a proposal for the repo structure. | 18:40 |
| bh526r | Great | 18:40 |
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| tomhamb | I think the correct approach is to create a blueprint and put it in the gluon-specs repo | 18:40 |
| tomhamb | Then people can review it and provide feedback. | 18:41 |
| tomhamb | We currently do not have a gluon-specs repo. | 18:41 |
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| tomhamb | Also, how are we going to track tasks within this project? Launchpad or Storyboard? | 18:41 |
| bh526r | I think blueprint is hosted in Launchpad | 18:42 |
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| bh526r | I think other projects use Launchpad to track the tasks | 18:42 |
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| pcarver | I haven't used Storyboard, Launchpad does use the term blueprint and that is used by many projects. | 18:43 |
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| bh526r | So you can create BP in Launchpad for your proposal of repo structure, and everyone can review it, comment it, and eventually approve it | 18:43 |
| Rockyg | task traacking is hard in Launchpad. | 18:43 |
| Rockyg | Try storyboard. Or look at trello.com | 18:44 |
| tomhamb | I think we should have an audio conference to discuss how to get started. Some projects have a -specs repository for such documents | 18:44 |
| pcarver | blueprints are mostly intended to track what items fall into which release and/or milestone | 18:44 |
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| pcarver | blueprints aren't great as the primary container for detailed documentation | 18:44 |
| pcarver | A use that's common in Neutron is for the blueprint to be basically a list of URLs to reviews on Gerrit for both specs and code | 18:45 |
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| bh526r | There are several types of documents | 18:45 |
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| bh526r | In our repo, there is a /docs directory that is intended for documentation | 18:46 |
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| bh526r | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/gluon/tree/ | 18:47 |
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| bh526r | So if we meant the documentation of how to restrcutrue repo, it should be relatively simple, and BP in Launchpad may be good enough | 18:47 |
| tomhamb | Okay, I will put the document there (in the /docs directory) | 18:48 |
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| pcarver | perhaps rather than "restructure" we should think of it specifically as "structure" | 18:48 |
| pcarver | Then it would be appropriate as a devref | 18:48 |
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| bh526r | If we meant other documentation (like install guide, user guide, etc.), it should go to doc | 18:48 |
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| bh526r | After we become offocial OpenStack project, documentation should be put central doc repo of OpenStack | 18:49 |
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| georgk | the repo structure can be considered part of a "developer guide" and hence be part of the docs | 18:49 |
| pcarver | devref is normally in the projects own repo | 18:49 |
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| bh526r | So looks like "doc" directory is the place to put all documentation | 18:50 |
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| pcarver | e.g. in the Neutron repo there is doc/source/devref and doc/source/policies | 18:50 |
| bh526r | Good reference, thank you Paul | 18:50 |
| tomhamb | Okay, that makes sense | 18:51 |
| pcarver | There are Jenkins jobs available to publish the docs from the project's own repo | 18:51 |
| pcarver | for official projects the devref docs end up here http://docs.openstack.org/developer/openstack-projects.html | 18:51 |
| bh526r | In this case, repo structure (Paul's term :) documentation should be part of doc/source/devref | 18:52 |
| tomhamb | I will document it there | 18:52 |
| pcarver | yes, instead of thinking of it as a one time thing, think of it as a guide for ongoing use by developers | 18:52 |
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| bh526r | That's right | 18:53 |
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| bh526r | BTW, there are exemplary .rst under doc/source already | 18:54 |
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| bh526r | we need to create devref etc. type of sub directory there, and put Tom's proposal of repo structure there | 18:55 |
| tomhamb | I will do that and put it out for review | 18:55 |
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| bh526r | Great Tom, and let me document this action | 18:56 |
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| bh526r | #action Tom draft repo structure document as part of devref (developer guide) documentation under doc/resource/devref | 18:57 |
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| bh526r | Looks like we only have 3 minutes left. | 18:57 |
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| Jeffreyc42 | What about the other doc we sent out last week for review? | 18:58 |
| bh526r | So we can think about schedule, roadmap, next steps etc, discuss via email and next meeting | 18:58 |
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| bh526r | More important is whether or not we can have a release for Newton | 18:58 |
| Jeffreyc42 | The Description doc. | 18:58 |
| Jeffreyc42 | ok | 18:58 |
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| bh526r | The architecture and description? | 18:59 |
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| Jeffreyc42 | we can discuss via email | 18:59 |
| bh526r | Paul, usually what is the sub directory for architecture description doc? | 18:59 |
| georgk | or we can just go ahead and push a proposal to the repo for review | 19:00 |
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| pcarver | I think that can be part of the devref if it's intended to describe the architecture to developers | 19:00 |
| Jeffreyc42 | yes | 19:00 |
| Jeffreyc42 | ok | 19:00 |
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| pcarver | user facing documentation of the architecture would be separate from docs intended for people writing Gluon itself | 19:00 |
| bh526r | OK, good, so part of devref | 19:00 |
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| bh526r | Since Jeff already sent the doc out, please comment if possible. | 19:01 |
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| Jeffreyc42 | I will | 19:01 |
| Jeffreyc42 | thanks | 19:01 |
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| bh526r | Great | 19:02 |
| bh526r | any other business? | 19:02 |
| bh526r | If no, thank you for the great discussion and talk to you via email and next Wednesday | 19:02 |
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| Jeffreyc42 | sounds great! Thanks Bin! | 19:03 |
| tomhamb | Thanks Bin | 19:03 |
| bh526r | Thank you everyone | 19:03 |
| krenczewski | Great, thanks. | 19:03 |
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| bh526r | Meeting adjourned | 19:03 |
| bh526r | #endmeeting | 19:03 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 13 19:03:47 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:03 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2016/gluon.2016-07-13-18.04.html | 19:03 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2016/gluon.2016-07-13-18.04.txt | 19:03 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2016/gluon.2016-07-13-18.04.log.html | 19:03 |
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| kamal__ | thanks | 19:04 |
| georgk | thank you, guys | 19:04 |
| georgk | talk to you later | 19:04 |
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