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masahitohi09:00
aspiersmorning / afternoon / evening everyone :)09:00
ddejahi09:00
_gryfhey09:00
aspiers#startmeeting ha09:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Mar  7 09:00:52 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is aspiers. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.09:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.09:00
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aspiersOK let's get started09:01
haukebrunohi everyhone :)09:01
aspierswe've had apologies from beekhof who is not feeling well09:01
aspiershi haukebruno09:01
aspiers#topic introductions09:02
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aspiershaukebruno: since we are a small group, would you like to introduce yourself?09:02
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aspierssince I don't think we saw you in these meetings before09:03
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haukebrunosure. my name is hauke, 27 years old and from germany. I work in a small private cloud startup near frankfurt and we use openstack for 2.5 years now. before I used a lot of the HA stuff around pacemaker/corosync and haproxy, thats the main reason why I joined this meeting/channel09:03
aspiersgreat! really glad to have you join :)09:04
haukebrunoah, + I am poorly a 100% ops guy09:04
aspiershaha09:04
masahitohaukebruno: welcome09:04
haukebrunothanks masahito09:04
aspiersI'm from SUSE, masahito is from NTT, and ddeja / _gryf are from Intel09:04
haukebrunonice to meet you guys09:04
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aspierswe are all working on HA for our companies, and currently focusing quite a bit on compute node HA09:04
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aspiers#topic Current status (progress, issues, roadblocks, further plans)09:05
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haukebrunovery nice, I guess compute node HA is the most wanted kind of HA these days09:05
aspiersOK, quick update from me:09:05
aspiersyes it seems in demand :)09:05
aspiersI did some reviewing of changes from Norbert Illes on openstack-resource-agents09:05
aspierswe have been tidying up the code and now it passes bashate 100%09:06
aspiersnext step will be to add some basic CI09:06
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aspiers#info https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-resource-agents/+bug/1550203 (bashate violations in OCF scripts) is now fixed09:06
openstackLaunchpad bug 1550203 in openstack-resource-agents "Bashate violations in OCF scripts" [Medium,Fix committed] - Assigned to Norbert Illes (nilles)09:06
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aspiersI think that's the only interesting news I have this week09:07
* _gryf passes the baton to ddeja :)09:08
aspiers:)09:08
ddejaok09:08
ddejaso I was on a medical leave - today is my first day at office in March09:08
Qimingso the basic assumption when we are talking about HA is still about pacemaker/corosync?09:09
aspiershi Qiming09:09
Qiminghi, everyone09:09
Qimingjust sneaked in09:09
aspiersQiming: not necessarily, but at the moment all topics usually involve pacemaker09:09
Qiminggot it09:09
ddejaI was thinking a little about demo of Tenants HA using Mistral, and I'm about to prepare some short film to present how it works09:09
ddejathat's all from my side09:10
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aspiersddeja: great, looking forward to seeing that :)09:10
aspiersa short film would be really useful09:10
masahitoddeja: sounds nice.09:10
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ddejathanks guys :)09:10
aspiersmasahito: same for masakari ;-)09:10
aspiersmasahito: any updates from your side?09:10
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masahitoI don't have any update to report the team.09:11
aspiersok09:11
aspiershaukebruno / Qiming: anything you want to share under the current #topic ?09:11
aspiersany info on current work or future plans?09:12
aspiersno problem if not09:12
* Qiming is wondering who pushed him into the room ...09:12
haukebrunonot from my site sadly09:12
aspiershaha09:12
aspiersok09:13
Qimingaspiers, seriously, I'm from Heat and Senlin team, we have some thoughts, design, prototype on VM/App HA09:13
aspiersQiming: oh, well we definitely want to hear about that then!09:13
haukebrunomaybe important for you: I am pretty new to the community site of openstack, I wanted to contribute as good as I can, but no idea about the 'how'09:13
Qimingwe are working with some NFV guys, soliciting their requirements on workload HA09:13
aspiers#topic Vm/App HA work within Heat and Senlin teams09:14
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Qimingpreviously we tried to inject some HA mechanisms into Heat09:14
aspiersQiming: ok, hopefully we can work together with you on this? one of the big goals of these meetings is to try to converge efforts in the long term09:14
Qimingbut the proposal was rejected because it doesn't align well with Heat's mission, which is a pure orchestrator09:15
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Qimingaspiers, definitely09:15
Qimingthen later when we started the Senlin project (a clustering service), now an official project09:15
aspiersQiming: have you seen http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/openstack-user-stories/user-stories/draft/ha_vm.html ?09:16
Qimingwe tried to get HA designed into the service09:16
Qimingno, aspiers, will read that offline09:16
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aspiersQiming: also https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/automatic-evacuation09:16
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Qimingin senlin, our understanding is that behind any HA solution, you need redundancy, which is a cluster09:17
aspiersright09:17
Qimingand to do HA, you will need to think about three aspects (at least): detection, signaling and recovery09:17
Qimingwe have prototyped some policies that can be enforced on VM clusters or Heat stack clusters09:17
aspiersand recovery requires fencing09:18
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Qimingaspiers, exactly, we were working with some IBMers from Haifa research lab on this09:18
aspiersas well as election if the cluster is decentralized09:18
aspiersQiming: how far along is your prototype?09:18
Qimingexactly, it is never a simple solution09:18
aspiersQiming: could you describe the architecture and/or what it achieves, or point us to a URL with docs?09:19
Qimingso, back to senlin's prototype, we plan to failure detections in three ways: 1) periodically polling the VM states from Nova 2) listen to VM lifecycle events 3) inquire the load-balancer (health monitor) if the cluster does have a load-balancer09:20
Qiminghttp://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/senlin/tree/senlin/policies/health_policy.py09:20
Qimingthat is a skeleton, team is still debating on the details, as always, :)09:21
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aspiersok09:21
aspiersI was not aware of Senlin before, so it's great that you joined this meeting to tell us09:22
Qimingmy pleasure09:22
Qimingbut I'm not gonna hijacking this meeting for a senlin tutorial09:22
aspiersQiming: well, I'm not sure we have much else to discuss today09:22
aspiersQiming: it's a smaller group than usual09:22
Qimingokay09:22
aspiersQiming: so I think it's a good use of the time09:22
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Qiminggood to know that09:23
aspiersalthough if anyone else has urgent issues to discuss, please let me know :)09:23
aspiersQiming: how would you describe the main differences to the existing approaches to HA?09:23
Qimingit is more customizable, it is not tied to pacemaker/corosync09:23
aspiersit seems that this is some kind of "HA as a service"09:23
QimingHA was treated as one of the policies that you can attach to a group of things09:24
Qiminga pretty bold simplification09:24
aspierswhat are the "homogeneous objects" referred to?09:24
aspiersthe OpenStack infrastructure services, e.g. API endpoints?09:25
Qiminga cluster can be a group of nova server, a group of heat stacks, for instance09:25
Qimingbut you are not supposed to have a cluster mixed of nova servers and heat stacks09:25
aspiersis the idea that Senlin is only used by other OpenStack services? or also by OpenStack end users?09:25
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Qimingmain target is end users09:26
aspiersoh09:26
Qimingit can be used by other projects as well because we have a REST API09:26
aspierscan you give us an example use case?09:26
Qimingsome friends have helped implemented Heat resource types for Senlin09:26
Qimingcreate a cluster of Nova server, get it load-balanced, make it auto-scale, and ensure HA for the instances09:27
aspierse.g. what would a cluster of nova servers (I assume you mean VMs) look like?09:27
aspiersso it would need to have access inside each VM, e.g. to install/configure clustering software?09:28
aspiersor would you only monitor from outside the VMs?09:28
Qimingwhen adding new nodes (e.g VMs), you can decide where those VMs will be created (i.e. affinity or anti-affinity), when deleting existing nodes, you can have a say which nodes are preferred09:28
Qimingsenlin is not yet installing any other clustering software into the VMs09:29
aspiersok09:29
Qimingbut that has been considered as a usage scenario09:29
aspiersso decisions on cluster management would be made centrally by Senlin server?09:29
Qimingyep09:29
aspiersok, I understand now09:29
haukebrunowhat will happen if one instance fails? spawning another one with the same kind of 'metadata' (you pointed out the affinity thing)?09:29
Qimingin a health_policy attached to a cluster, you can specify the recover actions you want to try09:30
aspiers#info Qiming gave an introduction to Senlin (clustering service for OpenStack end users)09:30
aspiers#link https://github.com/openstack/senlin09:30
Qimingfor nova servers, it could be 'reboot', 'rebuild', 'evacuate', ... 'recreate09:30
_gryfQiming, you said, that the state of the vm you polling from nova09:30
haukebrunoah, now I understand too, thanks ;)09:30
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Qimingall nova server clusters that have a health policy attached will be registered09:31
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Qimingthen checked periodically (i.e. http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/senlin/tree/senlin/engine/health_manager.py#n76)09:31
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Qimingwe haven't yet decided whether auto-recover is a good thing09:32
aspiersQiming: how will you do fencing?09:32
Qimingthere are other details to the cluster_recover function to be figured out09:32
haukebrunosorry for kind of offtopic, but I am curious if there is anything inside openstack that someone could use as a fencing device for instances09:33
Qimingaspiers, our friends from Israel lab helped developed those components back in 201409:33
aspiershaukebruno: there isn't, that's why we use Pacemaker09:33
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_gryfhaukebruno, there is no such thing09:33
QimingIIRC, they remote operate the gateway09:33
aspiershaukebruno: well, it is one of many reasons why we use Pacemaker09:33
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haukebrunoi see, thanks09:34
QimingI heard some different opinions regarding using pacemaker to do HA for OpenStack controllers09:34
Qimingour friends in New York lab is doing OpenStack controller HA without using pacemaker09:35
Qimingthey are using consul for monitoring, I believe09:35
haukebrunoQiming, we also09:35
aspiersQiming: how does NY lab do fencing?09:35
Qimingaspiers, have to check out09:35
Qimingthere is no fencing API as far as I know, so our prototype only works on certain type of network switch09:36
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aspiersQiming: I heard different opinions on Pacemaker too, although I never heard any convincing arguments against Pacemaker09:37
aspiersmost (not all) of the arguments I heard against it were based on misunderstanding09:38
Qimingokay, I asked my colleagues there when I heard this, their opinion is they hate switching between nova commands and pcs09:38
_gryfQiming, so your solution actually is dependent on some sort of things, like certain type of switch, otherwise it wouldn't be able to fence nodes, right?09:38
Qimingand their resource agents are not always yielding a reliable result regarding whether glance-api is still alive09:39
aspiersclustering is really difficult, and the Pacemaker code is based on 15-20 years of experience of writing clustering software09:39
Qimingthe only thing pacemaker knows for sure is that the PID is still there, :)09:39
Qiming_gryf, correct09:39
aspiersQiming: Pacemaker knows about a lot more than the PID if you use the openstack-resource-agents project :)09:40
Qimingaspiers, that is beyond my knowledge, :) Haven't been following that for a long time09:40
Qiminggood to know that things are improving09:40
aspiersQiming: I maintain that project. For a long time the OpenStack OCF RAs have been capable of monitoring the actual service, not just the pids09:41
Qimingthat's great09:42
aspiersand the monitoring is direct.  IIUC nova-server <-> nova-compute relies on the message bus09:42
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aspiersalright09:43
aspiersthat was a really useful intro to Senlin, thanks!09:43
Qimingmy pleasure09:43
aspiersQiming: please take a look at those links so you can understand what the rest of the community is doing09:43
Qimingreally very happy there are finally more people looking into this area09:43
aspiersQiming: also http://www.slideshare.net/adamspiers/compute-node-ha-current-upstream-development09:43
Qiming\o/09:43
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Qimingwill do, aspiers09:44
aspiersQiming: there is a cross-project IRC meeting in 35 hours from now which aims to cover this topci09:44
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aspierstopic09:44
aspiersit would be great if you could join09:44
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aspiershttps://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/CrossProjectMeeting09:44
Qimingit is 2100 UTC?09:45
aspiersyes09:45
aspiersit's a difficult time for some of us09:45
ddejaaspiers: but it's not 100% that it would take place this week09:45
Qiming5 am here, :(09:45
aspiers:(09:45
ddejalike, it was canceled last week09:45
aspiersddeja: thingee sent an email in the last few days asking for someone to chair this week09:45
aspiersddeja: so I think it's probably 80% likely09:46
aspiersI am not sure though09:46
ddejaok, but on the other hand there was this mail if some of us can cover the topic09:46
aspiers#topic AOB (Any Other Business)09:46
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aspiersyeah, let's see what thingee says09:47
ddejaI can talk with Renat from Mistral team if he can contact Timofey (the guy who originaly put the spec in review)09:47
aspiersI think it's really important that at least 1 or 2 of us are there09:47
ddejathey work with each other AFAICT09:47
aspiersok, thanks09:47
aspiersddeja: is that time OK for you? or do you think we should try to push for a different time?09:48
aspiersmasahito: I guess 2100 UTC is a bad time for you too?09:48
ddejaaspiers: it's 10 P.M for me, but I can make it09:48
aspiersok09:48
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masahitoaspiers: yap, it doesn't work for me.09:48
_gryfaspiers, I'll try to participate09:48
masahito6am X(09:48
aspiers_gryf: me too09:49
aspiersmasahito: :(09:49
ddejawatching evening movie or joining meeting... same fun! ;)09:49
aspiersI guess the challenge is that the meeting also needs to cover non-HA topics09:49
aspiershaha09:49
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aspiersany other topics people want to discuss?09:51
ddejaaspiers: only short question09:51
ddejadidi you get some mail about presentation in Austin?09:51
aspiersddeja: not yet09:51
ddejaaspiers: ok09:51
aspiersok 1 minute to raise any other topics09:52
aspiersotherwise we can end the meeting slightly early09:53
haukebrunois the meeting normally about 1 hour?09:53
_gryfhaukebruno, yup09:53
_gryfhaukebruno, but you can join #openstack-ha for further discussion anytime09:53
aspiersyes09:53
haukebruno_gryf, thanks, I am also in #openstack-ha ;)09:54
_gryfhaukebruno, k :)09:54
aspiersQiming: please join #openstack-ha too :)09:54
masahitohaukebruno: or use openstack-dev ML to send a mail with [HA] in title09:54
aspiersQiming: and encourage your colleagues to also join09:54
haukebrunomasahito, good to know, thanks09:54
aspiersok great, thanks everyone!09:55
aspierssee you next week :)09:55
haukebrunothanks too, was interesting :)09:55
ddejabye09:55
masahitothanks, bye09:55
_gryfcu09:55
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aspiersbye :)09:55
aspiers#endmeeting09:55
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ikhudoshyn#startmeeting Rally14:02
openstackMeeting started Mon Mar  7 14:02:50 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is ikhudoshyn. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:02
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:02
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'rally'14:02
ikhudoshynhi everybody14:02
amaretskiyhi14:03
ikhudoshynrvasilets__: amaretskiy andreykurilin__ boris-4214:03
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andreykurilin__o/14:03
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rvasilets__o/14:04
ikhudoshynso we dont have much of agenda for today14:04
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ikhudoshyn#topic Open discussion14:04
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amaretskiylet's talk about upcoming release :)14:04
ikhudoshynso we're automatically in the best part))14:04
amaretskiywhen do we have feature freeze&14:05
amaretskiy?14:05
ikhudoshynamaretskiy: +1 that supposed to be the 1st of my copupe anouncements14:05
rvasilets__of course in the last release day)14:05
ikhudoshynamaretskiy: I believe right now14:05
amaretskiyokay14:05
ikhudoshyndo we have anything important to be merged14:05
ikhudoshyn?14:05
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amaretskiyyes14:06
ikhudoshyn?14:06
amaretskiyi think https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287329/3 is worth this status14:06
amaretskiythis is actually a bug fix14:06
rvasilets__andreykurilin__: and boris said that they will organnize bug fixing hackaton so we have moved release by three days14:06
amaretskiywith the reimplementation of cli command14:06
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rvasilets__that is why today and possibly tomorrow we will not have merge freeze14:07
andreykurilin__amaretskiy: if it is a bug fix, ff doesn't care about it:)14:07
amaretskiyokay14:08
andreykurilin__rvasilets__: bug smash dates: 7-914:08
rvasilets__its not good to submit re implementation with bug fix)14:08
ikhudoshynok, anything else?14:08
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andreykurilin__http://logs.openstack.org/62/288362/5/gate/gate-rally-dsvm-keystone-v2api-rally/f934917/rally-plot/results.html.gz#/Dummy.dummy-914:09
rvasilets__andreykurilin__: okay what is the plain date of release and merge freeze?)14:09
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andreykurilin__I saw failures like that too much time for last several weeks14:09
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andreykurilin__rvasilets__: I suppose that we can cut a release at March 1014:10
ikhudoshynandreykurilin__: could the issue be keystone-related?14:10
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andreykurilin__ikhudoshyn: I don't know, but I saw failures only on Dummy scenario #914:11
ikhudoshynhm14:12
andreykurilin__we need to discover the issue14:12
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ikhudoshynwe do14:12
ikhudoshynany other thing&14:12
ikhudoshyn?14:12
ikhudoshynif nobody has, I got two14:13
rvasilets__for me nothing now14:13
rvasilets__*from14:13
boris-42hi everybody14:13
ikhudoshyn1) amaretskiy -- I'm interestiong in yr 'get_detailed' work to be done soon)14:13
ikhudoshynhi boris-4214:13
andreykurilin__boris-42: hi hi14:14
amaretskiyhi14:14
rvasilets__hi14:14
ikhudoshynI'm working on DB refactoring and gonna touch this area too14:14
amaretskiyikhudoshyn: rally task detailed is working14:14
ikhudoshynit is))14:14
ikhudoshynbut there is a patch from you14:14
amaretskiyikhudoshyn: however I'm going to make a small change after your comment14:14
boris-42ikhudoshyn: amaretskiy cools14:14
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ikhudoshynamaretskiy: I mean https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287311/14:15
ikhudoshynamaretskiy: jfyi) pls dont leave it for long)14:15
amaretskiyikhudoshyn: what is wrong with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287311/ ?14:16
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ikhudoshynamaretskiy: nothing) It's just I'm the next after you to digg in there14:16
amaretskiygreat :)14:17
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ikhudoshynand the last thing for me14:17
ikhudoshyna stupid question14:17
amaretskiyI'll push the patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287805/ in a half a hour14:17
ikhudoshynamaretskiy: (thumbup)14:18
boris-42amaretskiy: ikhudoshyn I am doubt about backward compatiblity here14:18
boris-42amaretskiy: ikhudoshyn https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287311/3/rally/api.py14:18
ikhudoshyn  while looking at 'get_task_detailed' i figured out that the code only picks details for just one scenario from thew task14:18
amaretskiywe have extended_results=False by default, so this is backward compatible14:19
ikhudoshynguys pls take a look at https://github.com/openstack/rally/blob/master/rally/common/db/sqlalchemy/api.py#L19414:20
ikhudoshynand tell me that it's ok14:20
ikhudoshyndo I miss something?14:20
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boris-42ikhudoshyn: hm this doesn't seem to be valid...14:21
ikhudoshyngreat, so I'm not an idiot))14:21
amaretskiythis is ok14:22
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ikhudoshynamaretskiy: r u sure14:22
amaretskiythis is a way to do safe get query14:22
ikhudoshyn?14:22
amaretskiyusually get fails if there is no object found14:22
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boris-42ikhudoshyn: ah no14:22
amaretskiyso filter(...).first() is safe14:22
ikhudoshynthe issue is that there could be more than one task_result14:22
boris-42ikhudoshyn: it should be ok14:22
amaretskiyreturns None14:22
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boris-42ikhudoshyn: so it will get only one task14:22
boris-42ikhudoshyn: but with joinded results14:22
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ikhudoshynboris-42: really?14:23
boris-42ikhudoshyn: so  I would agree with amaretskiy that it's ok14:23
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boris-42ikhudoshyn: it should do so, that code is already forever there14:23
ikhudoshynone task could consist several scenarios/workloads14:23
boris-42ikhudoshyn: yep14:23
boris-42ikhudoshyn: and we are getting ONE task with many results (which means that first)14:23
ikhudoshynand each scenario has its own task results?14:23
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ikhudoshynoh14:24
ikhudoshynthanks14:24
amaretskiythis is just a kind of safe query14:24
ikhudoshyni was thinking that .first() relates to taskresults14:24
ikhudoshyngreat14:25
boris-42ikhudoshyn: yep I thougth about it as well at the first glance=)14:25
ikhudoshyni got nothing more to add14:25
boris-42ikhudoshyn: until I woke up=)14:25
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boris-42ikhudoshyn: amaretskiy rvasilets__ guys what about returing BPs14:25
boris-42ikhudoshyn: amaretskiy rvasilets__ when I started spending less time on Rally I understood that it's hard to track what is happening in project14:26
boris-42#topic hard to track what is happening in Rally14:26
ikhudoshyninstead of spec or along with?14:26
ikhudoshynBPs itself are good14:26
amaretskiyboris-42: no problem with BP, just to decide in which cases we should use specs and BPs14:26
ikhudoshynbut its harder to work together on the text14:27
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amaretskiyno more specs?14:27
boris-42amaretskiy: why no more specs?14:27
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amaretskiyI've just asked :) no problem14:27
boris-42amaretskiy: ikhudoshyn specs are used for discussion14:27
boris-42amaretskiy: ikhudoshyn BP for tracking patches (when change contains >1 patch)14:27
ikhudoshynso what athe workflow gonna be?14:27
boris-42if you are planing big work you are creating BP and just adding bp <name> to commit message14:28
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boris-42if work requires discussion we are adding spec14:28
boris-42after spec is merged we are adding to BP specification url link to spec14:29
amaretskiyand BP contains links to related specs, rignt?14:29
boris-42that's all14:29
boris-42yep14:29
ikhudoshynok, sounds good14:29
boris-42but we don't need to create spec per bp14:29
ikhudoshyn+114:29
boris-42we should try to avoid specs when it's not required14:29
boris-42however BPs seems like will make situation a bit cleaner14:29
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amaretskiywhat if the feature is small14:29
ikhudoshynjust BP -- no spec14:30
amaretskiyso there is even one work item14:30
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amaretskiyso BP workflow there - I mean BP approval is actually a "discussion" replacement ?14:30
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ikhudoshynapproval is not a discussion replacement14:31
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ikhudoshynit is a sign that agreement was achieved14:31
amaretskiyuse case: small feature but it requires discussion14:31
ikhudoshyncreate BP, discuss in IRC, approve -> work14:32
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boris-42amaretskiy: if it so small feature that it is 1 patch then nothing14:32
boris-42amaretskiy: as I said before above14:32
amaretskiyokay14:33
boris-42BP should be used to track features that requires >1 patch14:33
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boris-42it provide a easy way to find all patches related to the some work14:33
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ikhudoshynboris-42: that's even better14:36
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ikhudoshynanything else ?14:36
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ikhudoshynso I propose to finish for today14:37
boris-42ikhudoshyn: one sec14:37
boris-42#topic delay release14:37
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boris-42let's delay release for 3 days because of bus smash effort14:38
ikhudoshynboris-42: discussed that already)14:38
ikhudoshynand we started feature freeze effective now)14:39
boris-42ikhudoshyn: ok great14:40
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boris-42So I am going to try to finish CTRL + C bug14:40
boris-42=)14:40
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ikhudoshynare we done now?14:41
ikhudoshynboris-42: ?14:41
boris-42ikhudoshyn: yep ok14:41
ikhudoshynso buy everybody14:41
ikhudoshyn#endmeeting14:41
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anteaya#startmeeting third-party15:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Mar  7 15:00:03 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'third_party'15:00
anteayahello15:00
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mmedvedehi anteaya15:00
anteayammedvede: how are you today?15:00
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mmedvedeanteaya: good15:01
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anteayaglad to hear it15:01
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anteayaso I'll post a reminder to folks that openstack meetings use utc time on purpose15:01
anteayaso if time changes for you next weekend, refer to utc time for meetings15:02
asselino/15:02
anteayahey asselin15:02
anteayado we have anything to discuss today?15:02
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anteayathat was a question for either of you15:03
anteayanot just asselin15:03
mmedvedethere is a thread on third-party-announce with a CI reporting merges15:03
anteayayes15:03
mmedvedejust wanted to note that it could be valid sometimes to report a failure to merge15:03
anteayathe ci operator posted a reply today15:03
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anteayammedvede: can you share the usecase?15:03
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anteayain this instance it was indicative of a problem on their end15:03
mmedvedee.g. if infra jenkins did not fail to merge, but third-party CI did15:04
anteayawhy is that important for a dev to know15:04
anteayawhat action should the dev take in that case?15:04
mmedvedeif third-party CI does not report anything in that case, than it would not be clear what happened15:04
anteayalet's look at it from the devs point of view15:04
anteayawhat should they do in that case?15:04
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asselinmmedvede, that's why the suggestion is to e-mail the operator.15:05
mmedvedein that case they would know that merge failed, and could recheck accordingly15:05
anteayawhy would they recheck if jenkins was able to merge the patch?15:05
asselinI don't see any reason it should fail merge differently by 3rd party ci and infra15:05
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mmedvedeasselin: it could be different, because there is often time difference between when infra zuul merger runs, and third-party CI does15:06
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anteayabut in the case of a difference, what is the dev to do?15:06
anteayaif jenkins merges?15:06
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mmedvedeanteaya: dev would know that third-party CI failed. There could be case they expect a +1 from third-party CI15:07
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anteayainfra isn't going to counsel people to rebase based on what a third party ci reports15:07
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asselinI think the issue is that most 3rd party ci merge failures are not legitimate15:07
mmedvedewell, if TPCI fails, it would also indicate that infra zuul would most likely fail on next recheck or during gate15:08
asselinthey are caused by e.g. network failures15:08
mmedvedeasselin: +1 on most being not legitimate.15:08
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mmedvedeI am trying to make a case that in rare cases it could be useful.15:08
anteayaif there is something the dev should know then as asselin says, the operator is emailed and can post a comment on a patch15:09
anteayainforming the dev of the situation15:09
mmedvedeNot saying that it should be encouraged for third-party CI to report merge failures all the time15:09
anteayasure15:09
anteayabut that is where human intervention is necessary15:09
anteayathat the operator read their email15:09
anteayaand provide a comment on a patch15:09
anteayaas a human, not a third party ci system15:10
anteayathat is most welcome15:10
anteayaand highly appropriate15:10
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anteayadoes that make sense?15:10
anteayaand thanks asselin for taking the time to reply to that thread15:11
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anteayadid we want to say more on this topic?15:11
anteayammedvede: thanks for bringing it up15:12
mmedvedenothing more here, thanks for discussion15:12
anteayathank you15:12
anteayaso in this reply http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/third-party-announce/2016-March/000295.html15:12
anteayathe third party operator is missing the importance of recieving the email15:13
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anteayawould either of you like to reply to that post?15:13
anteayaI can if you don't want to15:13
anteayawas just thinking it would be nice to hear from other operators15:13
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anteayaright now their configuration has email going to a dummy account15:13
asselinI read it but wasn't sure how to reply more than restating my original e-mail15:13
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anteayaasselin: okay fair enough, thank you15:14
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anteayammedvede: would you like to reply? or shall I?15:14
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mmedvedeI am not sure what to reply there15:14
anteayaokay that is fine15:14
anteayathe fact they have email going to to: third_party_ci at example.com was what I was going to address15:15
mmedvedeI can just say that the config he is asking about is the one he should be using, I guess15:15
mmedvede(with the email)15:15
anteayaas I doubt that is their email address15:15
anteayaI'll reply15:15
anteayathanks for taking a look15:16
mmedvededidn't they use those emails as examples?15:16
anteayaI don't think so15:16
anteayaI think that is what they have in their config file15:16
anteayaso that is what I want to address15:16
anteayawhat we just discussed, read the email from your system and reply as a human on patches where it makes sense for the developer15:17
anteayaso thanks for having the discussion with me15:18
anteayaso I know how to reply15:18
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anteaya:)15:18
anteayais there anything more to be said in this topic?15:18
mmedvedenothing except I now fear our CI would start reporting merge failures too :)15:18
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mmedvedeneed to make sure it does not15:19
anteayammedvede: has it in the past?15:19
mmedvedeyes15:19
anteayammedvede: ah thank you15:19
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anteayawell I did try to find them online15:19
anteayaand they weren't around15:19
anteayaand a dev complained15:19
asselinmmedvede, I thought you were the one that originally suggested that :)15:19
anteayaas they had 4 systems doing that15:19
anteayaso four systems spamming patches was a little noisy15:20
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mmedvedeasselin: could be me who suggested it exactly because our CI was doing that15:21
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mmedvedebut that was awhile back15:21
anteayagood solutions stand the test of time15:21
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anteayaso thank you for your solution mmedvede :)15:21
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anteayado we have other topics we would like to discuss today?15:22
mmedvedeI do not want to take credit, possibly was not me. My memory fails me on that15:22
anteayaI just know it wasn't me15:22
mmedvedehehe15:22
anteayathanks to whomever it was15:22
anteayaand I'm fine if it was or was not mmedvede15:23
mmedvedeI have one topic - wondered if anyone else has the same problem - zuul memory leak15:23
anteayammedvede: yes infra has the same problem15:23
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mmedvedeok, I am thinking of implementing a workaround - periodic restart of zuul service15:24
anteayammedvede: hmmmmm, we are trying to collect more data on the memory leak15:24
anteayawe aren't fans of restarting for memory leak issues15:24
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anteayathat is sort of our last stand when trying to find the real solution15:24
jeblairi believe jhesketh has been looking into the problem15:24
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mmedvederestart is last resort, but guaranteed to work :)15:25
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anteayajeblair: what is the current theory of the cause?15:25
anteayaor is there a current theory?15:25
anteayammedvede: true15:25
mmedvedelast time for me it took zuul about 3 days to consume 95% of 8GB ram, and halt the system15:26
anteayammedvede: :(15:26
anteayammedvede: that makes us sad15:26
jeblairi don't see an outstanding patch, so the best thing to do may be to continue discussion on the mailing list thread15:27
anteayammedvede: so for you is the memory leak consuming memory faster than before?15:27
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jeblairit's possible jhesketh thought it was fixed and is unaware that it is not.15:27
* anteaya looks for the mailing list thread15:27
mmedvedeanteaya: I did not see a pattern, sometimes it took a week/2 weeks15:27
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mmedvedelast time was fast15:27
anteayajeblair: I don't think it is fixed for infra15:27
jeblairanteaya: i agree15:27
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anteaya#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2016-February/003722.html15:28
jeblairanteaya: while i think we restarted after jheskeths most recent fix, i am not positive.  that should be verified before we solidify that conclusion15:28
anteayammedvede: so this is the start of the zuul memory leak thread15:28
anteayammedvede: please add your experience15:28
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mmedvedeanteaya: ok, thanks for the link15:29
anteayajeblair: I think the rename zuul restart incorporated jhesketh's lates change15:29
anteayabut again yes, confirmation would be good here15:29
mmedvedeI also need to update to latest zuul. But I did not see any patches landed that made me think there was another fix attempt15:30
anteayammedvede: and thank you for sharing your experience, hopefully with more folks running zuul's we can close in on a solution15:30
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anteaya#link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/zuul/commit/?id=90b61dbde89402971411a63f7596719db63f615515:30
anteayathat merged Feb. 3rd15:31
anteayalast rename was Feb. 12th: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/repo-renaming-2016-02-1215:32
mmedvedeyes, that is the last one I remember. Our zuul uses that patch15:32
anteayajeblair: based on those dates I'm going with zuul is running jhesketh's latest memory leak solution attempt15:32
anteayammedvede: okay thanks15:32
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anteayammedvede: and you still have zuul using up memory within 3 days and ceasing to run15:33
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anteayayes?15:33
mmedvedeanteaya: no, it is not always the same. Last one was about 3 days. I assume it depends on patch volume15:33
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anteayaright15:33
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anteayabut I'm confirming that the last time you had an issue your zuul was running jhesketh's patch15:34
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anteayais that accurate?15:34
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mmedvedeyes. For the record, zuul ui is reporting 'Zuul version: 2.1.1.dev123'15:35
anteayammedvede: thank you15:35
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anteayaso please include your experience on the mailing list thread15:36
mmedvedeanteaya: ok15:36
anteayait is possible, as I believe jeblair stated above, that jhesketh belives the memory leak is fixed15:36
anteayayet you have data that this is not the case15:36
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anteayaif you could do a git log on your zuul version and confirm the presence of http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/zuul/commit/?id=90b61dbde89402971411a63f7596719db63f615515:37
anteayathat would be awesome15:37
anteayathat way we aren't guessing15:37
anteayathanks for bringing up the topic, mmedvede15:37
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anteayado we have any more discussion on this topic?15:38
mmedvedenothing from me15:38
anteayado we have any other topic we would like to discuss?15:38
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anteayathanks mmedvede15:38
anteayaare there any objections to me closing the meeting?15:39
anteayathanks everyone for your kind attendance and participation today15:39
kcalman\o15:39
anteayacheck utc times for meetings next week if your time changes15:39
anteayakcalman: have you an item you wish to discuss?15:40
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kcalmanNo, I m good15:40
anteayaokay thank you15:40
anteayawelcome15:40
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kcalmanthanks15:40
anteayaI look forward to seeing everyone next week15:40
anteayathank you15:40
anteaya#endmeeting15:40
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matjazp#startmeeting training-guides17:01
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openstackMeeting started Mon Mar  7 17:01:04 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is matjazp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:01
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matjazphey all17:01
mgroharhey17:01
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ianychoi_phoneHi!17:01
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matjazphi mgrohar ianychoi_phone17:01
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ianychoi_phoneHello, matjazp and mgrohar!17:01
matjazpianychoi_phone: on the phone?17:02
ianychoi_phoneYes. I installed irc program on my smartphone.17:02
matjazphow is it working for you17:03
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matjazpagenda17:04
ianychoi_phoneColloquy is an IRC smarrphone app for iphone (commercial).17:04
matjazp#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/training-guides-meeting-agenda17:04
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matjazpso standard agenda17:04
matjazplets review stuff17:05
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matjazp#topic review of last meeting action items17:05
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matjazp#info team meetings wil be on 1st and 3rd week of the month17:06
ianychoi_phoneOne review is in WIP.17:06
ianychoi_phoneAha sorry I misunderstood review17:06
matjazptimfreund: you around?17:07
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matjazpianychoi_phone: lets see that under next topic17:07
ianychoi_phoneOkay17:07
matjazpianychoi_phone: did you perhaps speak with Tim?17:08
ianychoi_phoneOh, no. I was busy on my own work..17:09
matjazpnp17:09
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matjazpI didn't get him either17:09
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matjazp#topic upstream training17:09
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matjazpMike has started to add some more text17:10
matjazp#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286941/17:10
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ianychoi_phoneNice :)17:11
matjazpthe idea is to expand this17:11
matjazpI agree, nice initiative17:11
matjazpwe can discuss things in the Gerrit17:11
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ianychoi_phoneYep17:13
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matjazpWe have finally merged a fix for automatic bug queue resolving at merge17:14
matjazp#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283453/17:14
matjazpwe just need to test this17:14
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matjazpanything else for upstream training?17:15
ianychoi_phoneWow.. Okay. I would happily like to test it :)17:15
ianychoi_phoneNope17:15
matjazpianychoi_phone: sure, just squash a bug and see what happens :)17:15
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matjazpok, moving on17:15
matjazp#topic training guides17:16
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matjazpianychoi_phone: nice work with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283140/17:16
matjazpdefinitely a step in the right direction17:17
ianychoi_phoneThank you, matjazp !17:17
matjazpwe just need to keep adding stuff to reach a critical mass17:17
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ianychoi_phoneWhat would be our critical mass?17:18
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matjazpall chapters covered with some slide material17:18
ianychoi_phoneOkay, need to cover more chapters..17:19
matjazpanything else here?17:19
ianychoi_phoneNo:)17:20
matjazp#topic any other business17:21
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matjazpsadly, I didn't have time to work on the demo for using reveal.js on our material17:21
ianychoi_phoneThat's fine. Actually I am also busy on my own work17:22
ianychoi_phoneOne question: will you attend Austin Summit?17:23
matjazpianychoi_phone: what do you think about team meetings every 2 weeks? will that be enough?17:23
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matjazpianychoi_phone: Austin? Well, I still need to find a travel expenses sponsor17:24
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ianychoi_phoneActually i18n meetings are 1st and 3rd week in every month17:24
ianychoi_phoneIt works so well. That is why I agreed :)17:24
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matjazpianychoi_phone: oh, ok. I guess we can use ML in the mean time if anything is needed more quickly17:25
ianychoi_phoneOkay :)17:25
ianychoi_phoneThen, did you apply OpenStack travel support?17:26
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matjazpianychoi_phone: no, I missed that deadline17:26
ianychoi_phoneActually I was supported by this program on the last Tokyo summit :)17:26
matjazpianychoi_phone: you're planning to go to austin?17:27
ianychoi_phoneSince I was already supported, I didnot apply again17:27
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ianychoi_phoneI am considering it, but I need to spend my own money.. My company will not support t.t17:28
matjazpin the next few weeks we need to look into upstream training and see if anything need updating17:29
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ianychoi_phoneAha, I see.17:30
matjazpIf anyone see anything, just open a bug17:30
matjazpthe material is fairly stable as is17:30
matjazpand usable17:30
ianychoi_phoneYep :)17:31
matjazpso I don't expect a large bug count17:31
matjazpanything else we need to discuss? did we miss some topic?17:31
ianychoi_phoneBut most bugs will be handled :)17:32
ianychoi_phoneI don't think so..17:32
matjazpmgrohar: you good?17:32
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matjazpOK, so lets wrap this then17:33
ianychoi_phoneYep17:33
matjazpianychoi_phone: thanks for your effort17:33
ianychoi_phoneThanks for today meeting, matjazp !17:33
matjazpbye ianychoi_phone mgrohar17:33
ianychoi_phoneBye :)17:34
matjazp#endmeeting17:34
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markmcclainhi18:02
adam_g#startmeeting astara18:03
openstackMeeting started Mon Mar  7 18:03:07 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is adam_g. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.18:03
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adam_ghey!18:03
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adam_ganyone else around?18:04
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adam_g#topic mitaka development18:06
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adam_gso i tagged the M3 milestone (8.0.0.0b3) on friday afternoon18:06
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adam_gwe're still behind on some of the feature work for the cycle so i expect there'll be some FFE stuff going in for the rc18:07
eloback now18:07
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adam_gRCs are targettedd to go out next week, so anything we want to possibly get in as a FFE should be on gerrit no later than mid-week this week18:07
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adam_gthe HA work (https://blueprints.launchpad.net/astara/+spec/appliance-ha) should be readyd to review now18:08
markmcclainI've been working my way through it18:08
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adam_gmarkmcclain, is it still possible we'll see VPNAAS?18:08
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markmcclainyeah... I was hoping to have it today18:09
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adam_goh cool18:09
adam_gmarkmcclain, what about the sfc/byonf stuff?18:10
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markmcclainstill have to rebase and write a few tests18:10
adam_gack18:10
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adam_glets target thurs next week as when we cut our RC, so the sooner the better on anything that needs to be up for review18:11
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adam_g#topic bugs18:12
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adam_g#link https://launchpad.net/bugs/155054118:12
openstackLaunchpad bug 1550541 in Astara "source IP is wrong sometimes" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Mark McClain (markmcclain)18:12
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adam_gmarkmcclain, is the latest patchset meant to address the original bug and the regression/sideffect ryan found?18:13
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adam_gif so we should get him to remove his -2 and see about getting it merged18:13
markmcclainyeah.. the latest fix addresses bug and doesn't intro the regression ryan found18:14
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markmcclainhe's looked at the fix, but wanted to do some more testing before removing the -218:14
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adam_gah nice18:14
eloI tested this weekend... it is working for me fine with my setup18:14
* adam_g scans https://bugs.launchpad.net/astara/+bugs?orderby=-id&start=0 for anything else to be targetted toward RC118:14
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adam_g#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/astara/+bug/153934518:15
openstackLaunchpad bug 1539345 in Astara "auto added resources break interoperability" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Mark McClain (markmcclain)18:15
adam_gi dusted off some of the patches to fix this and these shoudl be good to get in today18:15
markmcclainso I rechecked the patch after the appliance fix was merged.. the test failed again this morning18:15
adam_ghm ok ill dig into that this AM18:16
markmcclainok18:16
eloI'm validating https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287265/ hopefully today18:16
adam_g#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/astara/+bug/153127418:16
openstackLaunchpad bug 1531274 in Astara "unable to delete tenant networks" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Rosario Di Somma (mr-rods)18:16
adam_grods, you were working on this one a while back. anything to report?18:16
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adam_gok well ill catch up with rods on that later18:19
adam_ganyone have any other critical bugs to bring up for M?18:20
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markmcclainnot any I can think of18:21
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adam_gk18:22
adam_g#open discussion18:22
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adam_gonly other thing i have to bring up is that i let summit organizers know we'll just need some space during the contributor meetup friday, and not to book us any rooms18:23
markmcclainmakes sense18:24
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markmcclainhopes it's morning timeslot18:24
markmcclainafternoon might be graveyard18:24
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elowhen will we know about which sessions have been accepted18:26
adam_gelo, not sure. thats unrelated from the design summit18:26
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adam_gunless anyone else has anything else i guess we can call it18:29
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adam_gok well ill talk to you all in channel18:30
adam_g#endmeeting18:30
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armaxhello hello20:57
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mesteryo/20:57
armaxmestery: hi20:57
armaxready for a thrilling meeting?20:58
mlavalleo/20:58
HenryGo/20:58
mesteryarmax: Oh yes, I've been waiting all weekend20:58
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armaxmestery: I know you did20:58
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john-davidgeo/20:58
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mesteryarmax: Heh, I'm sooooo transparent ;)20:58
hichiharahi20:58
armaxjohn-davidge: hi20:58
armaxhichihara: hi20:58
xgermano/20:59
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ihrachysthrilled so much as not to fall sleep20:59
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john-davidgearmax: Hey :)20:59
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rtheiso/20:59
mlavalleihrachys: what time is it for you?20:59
bodeno/20:59
armaxihrachys: I know, I do this to people21:00
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armax#startmeeting networkign21:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Mar  7 21:00:05 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is armax. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.21:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:00
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armax#undo21:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'networkign'21:00
ihrachysmlavalle: 10pm21:00
mesteryarmax: lol21:00
armaxdoh21:00
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mesteryarmax: Maybe an #endmeeting?21:00
anteayaarmax: close it and open it again, with the correct spelling21:00
anteayayeah21:00
armax#endmeeting21:00
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shamail:D21:00
openstackMeeting ended Mon Mar  7 21:00:33 2016 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)21:00
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networkign/2016/networkign.2016-03-07-21.00.html21:00
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networkign/2016/networkign.2016-03-07-21.00.txt21:00
armaxI got too excited21:00
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networkign/2016/networkign.2016-03-07-21.00.log.html21:00
armax#startmeeting networking21:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Mar  7 21:00:48 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is armax. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.21:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'networking'21:00
johnsomShortest neutron meeting ever21:00
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njohnstono/21:00
mlavalleihrachys: you have my admiration21:00
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armaxfor those of you who joined: welcome21:01
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armaxto this another exciting episode of ‘neutron team meeting’21:01
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armaxwe’re getting to the season finale21:02
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armaxso stay tuned to see what to expect in next season21:02
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armaxthe agenda for the week21:02
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armaxerm, meeting21:03
mhickeyhello21:03
armax#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings21:03
kevinbentonhi21:03
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armax#topic Announcements/Reminders21:03
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Swamihi21:03
armaxI am pretty sure you’re all aware…we cut M-3 last week21:03
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armax#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-announce/2016-March/001002.html21:04
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armaxlink https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/mitaka-321:04
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armaxand we also realease python-neutronclient 4.1.121:05
armaxthis means we’re in feature freeze, so from now on nothing gets merged if it doesn’t have the seal of approval21:05
armaxyou might ask, whose seal of approval21:06
armaxanyone cares to venture a guess?21:06
ihrachysgroundhog?21:06
armaxihrachys: no, but close21:06
njohnston"The PTL's seal" roars the crowd21:06
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armaxnjohnston: I wish I had that respect, but no21:07
armax:)21:07
ihrachyswell you have21:07
xgermanflipping a coin?21:07
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mhickeyarmax: you have the power! :)21:07
armaxxgerman: nope21:07
* njohnston imagines armax giving the thumbs up/thumbs down like the Roman emperors of old.21:07
ihrachysthat said, we tend to merge some stuff without the seal. is it all times a bad thing? like in case of emergency?21:07
armaxthe answer is:21:07
armaxanything that has a FFE granted in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286413/21:07
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armaxplus bug fixes that have been targeted for RC121:08
armaxwe have time until the end of this week21:08
HenryGAre we allowed to make release notes look pretty?21:09
armaxanything else that’s not targeted or not priority, like trivial fixes, should be banned21:09
ihrachysarmax: who targets21:09
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armaxI suppose those are fine and they don’t clutter the gate too much21:09
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john-davidgearmax: How should we go about getting a fix targetted?21:09
armaxihrachys: it’s any member of the bug team, but we’ll have to use judgement21:09
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ihrachysok, so PTL is not a bottleneck for bugs if we all behave sanely21:10
armaxand consider targeting a bug based on severity21:10
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armaxI am happy to review bugs if necessary21:10
armaxbear in mind that the gate is like a wood oven21:10
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armaxwe may want to keep the fire burning21:10
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mesteryihrachys: One thing to keep in mind is that I expect we'll keep up our fast stable release, so if a bug misses Mitaka, it can hit Mitaka-1 pretty quick post mitaka release21:10
armaxso if you feel like there’s a trivial fix that it’s ok to merge, please do check the state of the gate21:11
ihrachysmestery: yeah, but I talk more about stuff like 'gate broken'21:11
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armaxif the queue is getting dry (or the fire is about to go out) feed the fire21:11
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armaxso be conscious of the state of the gate whenever you’re considering +A something21:12
armaxI did pull some stuff out of the queue last week21:12
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armaxwe had a very repetetive offenders21:12
armaxif you strike again, I shall ban from the kingdom for ever, so be careful :)21:12
armax*very: few21:13
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salv-orlandowhat happens when you're banned?21:13
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Sam-I-Amhello21:14
mhickeysalv-orlando: you form a new band!21:14
armaxsalv-orlando: we’ll let you know in due course21:14
armaxkeep an eye on21:14
armax#link http://status.openstack.org//elastic-recheck/21:14
armaxand #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+label:Verified-221:14
armaxthose links should give you a clue of potential gate failures that we may want to be on the lookout for21:15
salv-orlandoarmax: I did relinquish my kingdom membeship long before the revolution. I knew my head would have been among the first to roll on the floor otherwise ;)21:15
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armaxsalv-orlando: I would love you back, if you’re willing to be the prodigal son21:15
armaxsalv-orlando: but I digress21:15
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salv-orlandoarmax: yes, I guess the gate and the deadlines do not allow for any digression21:16
armaxso, to recap, check the postmortem for the project, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286413/ and comment on stuff that you’re called into action21:16
armaxreview targeted stuff21:16
armax#link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/mitaka-rc121:16
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armaxwe have time until the end of the week to cut rc121:17
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armaxthis is doug’s email:21:17
armax#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/088452.html21:17
emagananeed to run but this is in my list of prioritiesI am around if needed!21:17
armaxfor those of you who likes to learn more details about this21:17
armaxemagana: thanks, will do21:18
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armaxany question so far?21:19
armaxdid I bore you to sleep?21:19
Sukhdev:-)21:19
armaxsounds like yes21:19
armaxanother two reminders21:19
armaxnext week is PTL nomination week21:19
mlavallearmax: nope, paying very close attention21:19
armaxdo keep that in mind21:19
armaxand furthermore, US goes back to daylight saving21:19
armaxso don’t get caught21:20
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armaxyou’ll loose an hour sleep21:20
SukhdevIts already time for PTL nominations - I hope we are not getting any change soon21:20
john-davidgeBut I only just got used to the new meeting times! :(21:20
ihrachysarmax: you run I suppose ;)21:20
armaxjohn-davidge: sorry21:20
armaxihrachys: me?21:21
armaxihrachys: that’s for the Gods to decide21:21
Sukhdevwhich God?21:21
ihrachysarmax: not the 'run' part. 'elected' - maybe.21:21
armaxSukhdev: it’s more than one21:21
SukhdevI have connections with few Gods :-):-)21:21
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armaxSukhdev good for you, so you should consider running!21:22
anteayamore than the states changes time on the weekend21:22
armaxany other reminder from people?21:22
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anteayathank goodness for utc meeting times21:22
armaxanteaya: thanks, Canada too, I suppose?21:22
anteayawe do21:22
armaxanteaya: yup, but you’d be amazed how often people get confused21:22
anteayavery often, yes21:23
Sukhdevfirst few weeks are bad21:23
armaxanyhow, my conscience is clean :) I warned folks, so…21:23
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mhickeyanteaya: howdy21:23
armaxany other reminder from folks?21:24
anteayamhickey: hey there :)21:24
armaxbefore we move on?21:24
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armax#topic Blueprints21:24
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armax#link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/newton-121:25
armaxI optmistically moved some stuff to this dashboard21:25
armaxwe’ll get to it as soon as master opens up21:25
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ihrachys...which will happen start of next week21:25
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armaxbear in mind that if you have a spec that failed to be submitted in Mitaka or merged in Mitaka but didn’t make it21:26
armaxit’ll need to be resubmitted21:26
armaxbe aware of this one:21:26
armax#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283383/21:26
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armaxnext topic21:28
armax#topic Bugs21:28
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armaxI know andreas is not around21:29
mhickeyarmax: if you have -2 patches, will you roll them back?21:29
armaxmhickey: meaning taking the -2 off?21:29
mhickeyyes21:29
armaxmhickey: I’ll do that for those that need to go in Mitaka, and will lift it entirely as soon as Newton opens up21:29
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mhickeyarmax: grt, thanks. first full release! :)21:29
armaxif I miss one, do ping me21:29
mhickeyok21:30
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armaxscheuran is not online, but he was on top of it last week21:31
ihrachysbtw I cover this week21:31
armaxhe updated the deputy guide here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287844/21:31
armaxihrachys: no new volunteers?21:31
armaxgive someone new a chance, if not, I’d happy to have you back to it21:31
ihrachysarmax: I did on previous meeting, no one called his own name ;)21:32
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armaxihrachys: ack, I am so lagging behind I still haven’t read the meeting logs21:32
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ihrachysalso, we already had like 20+ people on the list21:32
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armaxlet see if I may be more convincing21:33
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armaxanyone who gets to be deputy next week gets to have a picture with me at the next summit?21:33
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armaxsigned and all of it21:33
anteayawoooooo21:33
armaxno-one?21:33
armaxcome on!21:34
* ihrachys !21:34
ihrachys:D21:34
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armaxit comes in a frame to21:34
armaxo21:34
armaxoh well21:34
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hichiharaNext week? I will21:34
armaxhichihara: cool21:34
armaxthanks!21:34
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mhickeystop the lights! :) That is pure gold!21:35
ihrachysarmax: hm. next week == this week?21:35
hichihara:)21:35
armax#action hichihara to be deputy for the week of…21:35
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armaxhichihara: can you run this week and maybe ihrachys is the backup for next week?21:35
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armaxhichihara: or did you mean the week starting today21:36
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hichiharaarmax: I mean next week but I can from today21:36
mhickeyihrachys is going to be busy next week?21:36
armaxhichihara: that’s ok, let’s have ihrachys do this week21:36
armaxand hichihara you do the next21:36
armaxsounds good?21:37
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hichiharaarmax: I got it :)21:37
ihrachysyeah, I am not ok for next week, we have a code sprint.21:37
armaxthanks to you both21:37
ihrachysarmax: I get my picture right?21:37
armaxihrachys: of course you do!21:37
ihrachysYES21:37
armax:)21:37
armax#action hichihara to be deputy for the week of Mar 14th21:38
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armaxnext topic21:38
armaxbut before diving to it21:38
armaxdo watch out these two links21:38
armax#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.tag=gate-failure21:38
armaxthat’s confirmed gate failures which we should look into21:39
armaxconfirmed and new21:39
armaxso please, if you can, do take some time to see if you can provide help on those, especially if new ones come up21:39
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armaxthe other one is21:40
armax#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.tag=doc21:40
ihrachysarmax: there are some in progress, I think we should point to those too21:40
armaxthose are bugs filed post-merge due to changes with commit messages decorated with a DocImpact21:40
armaxihrachys: ack21:40
armax#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.tag=gate-failure21:41
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armaxso for those bugs created and tagged with doc21:41
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armaxmake sure we have an entry (even if work in progress) that target our doc repositories21:42
armaxand on this I pass the baton to our doc guy in charge Sam-I-Am21:42
armax#topic Documentation21:42
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armaxSam-I-Am: you’re up21:42
* armax shuts up for a sec21:42
armaxor two\21:43
Sam-I-Amhi21:43
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Sam-I-Amnot much from here. trying to review networking guide patches as i have time, but mostly buried in downstream work.21:43
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anteaya:(21:44
armaxanything you’d like to offload?21:44
armaxas far as upstream goes?21:45
Sam-I-Amupdating the networking guide scenarios for mitaka21:45
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Sam-I-Amat a minimum, config changes21:45
johnsomI am still hoping to hear back on how the octavia config can be restored after it was deleted from the docs.21:46
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armaxSam-I-Am: I already saw the config change come in21:46
Sam-I-Amarmax: which one?21:47
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armaxSam-I-Am: I might be confusing this with the one that refreshed the client commands21:47
armaxnever mind21:47
Sam-I-Amprobably21:48
armaxok, if there’s nothing else and you guys don’t want to get 12 minutes back there’s the...21:48
armax#topic Open Discussion21:48
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ihrachysok. I really encourage parties involved in discussions around DSCP patches to get to clearing all concerns earlier21:49
njohnston+121:49
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hichiharaI have a question about DocImpact.21:50
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hichiharaMy patch with DocImpact was merged but I cannot see filed doc bug.21:51
hichiharaI thought bug triager automaticallyfiles doc bug on Launchpad...21:51
armaxhichihara: I wonder if that got lost somehow21:51
Sam-I-Amit should, in the neutron repo21:51
armaxhichihara: link to patch?21:51
hichiharathat is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/273881/21:51
hichiharaDid I miss anything?21:52
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HenryGhichihara: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/155248721:53
openstackLaunchpad bug 1552487 in openstack-manuals " Add tag mechanism for network resources" [Low,Confirmed]21:53
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armaxHenryG: thanks21:53
hichiharaHenryG: Thanks!21:53
hichiharaMy searching was too bad ;)21:54
armaxok, if there’s nothing else, I’ll be magnanimous and give you a few minutes back21:54
armax#endmeeting21:55
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mhickeythanks, bye21:55
armaxthanks everyone for joining21:55
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