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| aspiers | who do we have around for the HA meeting today? | 08:59 |
| _gryf | o/ | 08:59 |
| ddeja | hello :) | 09:00 |
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| aspiers | so, Intel :) | 09:00 |
| bogdando | hi | 09:00 |
| aspiers | hey bogdando | 09:00 |
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| aspiers | we don't have NTT guys today because they are at the European Ops meetup | 09:00 |
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| _gryf | is Andrew around? | 09:01 |
| aspiers | not sure | 09:01 |
| aspiers | #startmeeting ha | 09:01 |
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| aspiers | let's start anyway :) | 09:02 |
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| aspiers | #info we have apologies from NTT guys for not being here because they are at the European Ops meetup in Manchester | 09:02 |
| aspiers | I wish I could have gone to that :-( | 09:02 |
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| aspiers | I think they might be moderating a session on compute node HA there | 09:03 |
| aspiers | #topic Current status (progress, issues, roadblocks, further plans) | 09:03 |
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| aspiers | I'll go first since I will be quick :) | 09:03 |
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| aspiers | I got back from holiday last Wed | 09:04 |
| aspiers | so I'm still catching up on stuff | 09:04 |
| aspiers | but SUSE has made a lot of progress recently on compute node HA - we now have the whole setup totally automated via Crowbar/Chef | 09:04 |
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| aspiers | so it's a few simple mouse clicks to set up the whole thing, which is pretty cool | 09:04 |
| aspiers | also on Friday I met 4 NTT guys including masahito | 09:04 |
| aspiers | they came to London before the Ops meetup in Manchester | 09:05 |
| aspiers | there were 3 developers and one operator, and we talked for a few hours about compute node HA, masakari etc. | 09:05 |
| aspiers | it was a very useful meeting | 09:05 |
| _gryf | aspiers, any output in a textual form out this? | 09:05 |
| aspiers | _gryf: not yet but I will try to write something up | 09:06 |
| _gryf | aspiers, cool | 09:06 |
| aspiers | #info aspiers met 4 NTT guys working on compute node HA in London | 09:06 |
| aspiers | #info (they work in Japan, but we met in London!) | 09:06 |
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| aspiers | while we were talking, I had an idea | 09:06 |
| aspiers | to draw some kind of strategic map for community compute node HA | 09:07 |
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| aspiers | which outlines the various failure modes and challenges on one diagram | 09:07 |
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| aspiers | and shows how the current approaches cover them and where there are gaps | 09:07 |
| bogdando | aspiers, and perhaps update the spec as well | 09:07 |
| aspiers | bogdando: yes, great idea | 09:08 |
| aspiers | currently SUSE is finalising our release 6 of SUSE OpenStack Cloud | 09:08 |
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| aspiers | it should be coming pretty soon, and will have full support for compute node HA | 09:08 |
| aspiers | so that's it from my side | 09:08 |
| aspiers | maybe bogdando next? | 09:09 |
| bogdando | I updated the spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/257809/ and reflected the state of things, as I see it. Also , we have to bring more attention to this on the cross projects meetings | 09:09 |
| bogdando | my last attempt to do so in the open discussion section seemed futile | 09:09 |
| aspiers | great idea | 09:09 |
| aspiers | keep trying ;) | 09:09 |
| aspiers | #info bogdando is working on the automatic evacuation spec | 09:10 |
| bogdando | and please make revies, some things may not be correct | 09:10 |
| _gryf | actually, it was Timofey, which bring this topic up - I have a little conversation with him during nova midcycle. | 09:11 |
| _gryf | bogdando, did you guys coworking together on this topic? | 09:11 |
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| * _gryf reviewd the bp the other day last week :) | 09:12 | |
| aspiers | so we now have a user story and a spec - that's cool | 09:12 |
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| bogdando | _gryf, I'm only trying to help | 09:12 |
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| bogdando | no code writing, yet | 09:13 |
| _gryf | bogdando, that's ok :) | 09:13 |
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| aspiers | I'll try to contribute to these too | 09:13 |
| aspiers | _gryf: anything new from your side? | 09:13 |
| _gryf | aspiers, besides the reviews, nope. | 09:14 |
| aspiers | ok | 09:14 |
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| aspiers | ddeja: anything you want to report? | 09:14 |
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| ddeja | aspiers: yes | 09:14 |
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| ddeja | I was working on preparing fence agent for running evacuation | 09:14 |
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| ddeja | I would have finished it last week, but new topic in Mistral occured | 09:15 |
| ddeja | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/279018/4 | 09:15 |
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| ddeja | Me and _gryf have a mail conversation with Mistral PTL | 09:16 |
| ddeja | and this change is an output | 09:16 |
| aspiers | cool | 09:16 |
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| ddeja | they basically decide to not wait for oslo team | 09:16 |
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| ddeja | to bring ACK after message is processed feature and implement it by themselfs | 09:17 |
| ddeja | which is cool for us, since this may fix Mistral HA big problem | 09:17 |
| ddeja | and Mistral HA was a big consern on last meeting :) | 09:18 |
| ddeja | concern* | 09:18 |
| aspiers | nice! | 09:18 |
| _gryf | other thing to mention is, that the idea of the own implemented ack system on mistral | 09:18 |
| ddeja | nervertheless, I'm trying to test this change to see if it helps and give feedback to Mistral team | 09:18 |
| _gryf | is to have oslo.messaging in place | 09:18 |
| ddeja | and I'll continue work on fence agent | 09:19 |
| _gryf | so that if oslo team would accept the patch for the oslo itself, there would be just a small change to make it use within oslo | 09:19 |
| aspiers | #info ddeja working on fence agent for running evacuation | 09:19 |
| ddeja | that's all from my side | 09:19 |
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| _gryf | and it will not blocking mistral to going forward at the same time | 09:19 |
| aspiers | #info some progress on mistral HA | 09:19 |
| aspiers | is there any doc yet on the mistral compute node HA architecture? | 09:21 |
| ddeja | It's under construction | 09:21 |
| aspiers | ok | 09:21 |
| aspiers | I'm wondering what the fence agent does exactly | 09:21 |
| aspiers | is it run by Pacemaker? | 09:22 |
| ddeja | for the PoC, it will only send http call to Mistral, so evacuate process is started | 09:22 |
| ddeja | aspiers: yes | 09:22 |
| beekhof | doh, meeting | 09:22 |
| _gryf | o, hi beekhof | 09:22 |
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| aspiers | hey beekhof | 09:22 |
| aspiers | ddeja: so that is what triggers the mistral workflow? | 09:22 |
| * beekhof has a keyword alert on "pacemaker" :) | 09:22 | |
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| * aspiers makes a mental note of that | 09:23 | |
| ddeja | aspiers: yes, it's the most simple scenario | 09:23 |
| aspiers | ddeja: and that fence agent gets run after the normal fencing of the compute node? | 09:23 |
| ddeja | aspiers: yup | 09:23 |
| aspiers | ddeja: i.e. 2 fencing devices via fencing_topology? | 09:23 |
| ddeja | exactly | 09:24 |
| aspiers | cool, that makes sense | 09:24 |
| aspiers | beekhof: you wanna report any status? | 09:24 |
| beekhof | nothing related to here. with the possible exception of getting sbd working in remote nodes | 09:24 |
| beekhof | which might be interesting later on | 09:25 |
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| aspiers | pacemaker pacemaker pacemaker pacemaker | 09:28 |
| aspiers | :) | 09:28 |
| aspiers | I guess the kids get the highest priority interrupt in the evening :) ok, let's talk about Austin quickly | 09:28 |
| aspiers | #topic Austin summit | 09:28 |
| aspiers | so we have some HA talks submitted | 09:28 |
| aspiers | #link ddeja and aspiers submitted https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/vote-for-speakers/Presentation/7327 | 09:28 |
| aspiers | please vote for it! | 09:28 |
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| aspiers | I also submitted https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/vote-for-speakers/Presentation/7329 | 09:28 |
| aspiers | which is about automated deployment of HA in general | 09:28 |
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| aspiers | the intention is to share our experiences of automation with other vendors | 09:28 |
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| aspiers | if that's interesting then please vote for that too | 09:29 |
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| aspiers | anyone else submit any talks? | 09:29 |
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| beekhof | nope :) | 09:29 |
| aspiers | IIRC masahito may have submitted one for masakari but I'm not 100% sure | 09:29 |
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| aspiers | anything else to mention about Austin? | 09:30 |
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| aspiers | if not, let's move on to AOB | 09:31 |
| aspiers | #topic AOB (Any Other Business) | 09:31 |
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| aspiers | so one interesting implementation detail which arose during our discussions on Friday ... | 09:31 |
| aspiers | I was asking NTT why they didn't use Pacemaker for process monitoring | 09:32 |
| aspiers | currently they have their own for monitoring libvirtd etc. | 09:32 |
| aspiers | one answer was that if libvirtd fails, it makes sense to do a nova service-disable on that node | 09:32 |
| aspiers | to stop the scheduler from starting any new instances on it | 09:33 |
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| beekhof | extra policies basically | 09:33 |
| aspiers | but at the same time, in some clouds the policy would dictate a preferred action of keeping the VMs running | 09:33 |
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| aspiers | beekhof: yeah | 09:34 |
| aspiers | and that gave rise to a follow-on discussion about policies and action matrices etc. | 09:34 |
| aspiers | another example is if the admin network fails | 09:34 |
| aspiers | but everything else still works | 09:34 |
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| aspiers | also in that case you'd probably want to keep the VMs running but remove the node from nova-scheduler | 09:34 |
| aspiers | it depends on the nature of the VMs on that node of course | 09:34 |
| aspiers | and on how many | 09:34 |
| aspiers | but a typical policy might be to avoid the disruption of instantly fencing that node | 09:35 |
| aspiers | and instead notify the cloud ops and wait for manual evacuation | 09:35 |
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| aspiers | #info aspiers and NTT discussed failure modes where the preferred course of action might be notifying cloud ops to do *manual* evacuation | 09:35 |
| aspiers | beekhof: does Pacemaker support that kind of thing? | 09:36 |
| aspiers | it seems a shame not to have Pacemaker doing process monitoring | 09:36 |
| aspiers | it's a strange case, because you'd still want Pacemaker to ensure that libvirtd is started before nova-compute | 09:37 |
| aspiers | implying a standard order constraint "libvirtd before nova-compute" | 09:37 |
| aspiers | if libvirtd dies, it might be OK to shut down nova-compute but not kill the VMs | 09:37 |
| aspiers | anyway we don't have to discuss that now, but I just wanted to raise it | 09:38 |
| aspiers | we can cover it in the user stories and specs | 09:38 |
| ddeja | one question | 09:38 |
| ddeja | if libvirt is dead, how we are supossed to kill vms? | 09:38 |
| beekhof | i'm not bothered, its very domain specific | 09:38 |
| aspiers | ddeja: fencing | 09:38 |
| ddeja | fencing the whole node? | 09:39 |
| aspiers | yes | 09:39 |
| ddeja | oh, ok | 09:39 |
| beekhof | we can have a manual fencing target... but then you're blocking everything else until a human shows up | 09:39 |
| aspiers | beekhof: that might be desirable in some cases | 09:39 |
| ddeja | not cool | 09:39 |
| _gryf | right | 09:39 |
| beekhof | i guess you could write a new agent that turned off libvirt but didnt power off the node | 09:39 |
| beekhof | aspiers: almost never | 09:39 |
| aspiers | beekhof: well, the situation I'm talking about doesn't involve fencing | 09:40 |
| beekhof | turned the human into a single point of failure | 09:40 |
| aspiers | beekhof: it's actually a degradation of service not an outage | 09:40 |
| beekhof | well you can write an RA that does anything | 09:40 |
| aspiers | I mean, you can no longer control VMs on that compute node, but they are still running OK | 09:40 |
| beekhof | and you have on-fail=block | 09:40 |
| beekhof | so unrelated resource trees can still be recovered | 09:41 |
| aspiers | so the control plane has an outage, but the user workload doesn't | 09:41 |
| aspiers | in that case live migration of VMs is more appropriate | 09:41 |
| aspiers | but if there's no shared storage then that might cause brief workload outage | 09:42 |
| aspiers | so again it comes down to policy and operator's decision | 09:42 |
| ddeja | if libvirt is dead, you can't live-migrate instances, AFAICT | 09:42 |
| beekhof | well, it might, but you'd never know | 09:42 |
| aspiers | ddeja: oh yeah, good point | 09:42 |
| _gryf | aspiers, are you talking about live migrate using virsh, or nova facility? | 09:42 |
| aspiers | _gryf: that's kind of the point. it's hard for a computer to choose the right one | 09:43 |
| _gryf | right, exactly what ddeja said | 09:43 |
| beekhof | ok, i gotta go again | 09:43 |
| aspiers | bye | 09:43 |
| _gryf | beekhof, :) | 09:43 |
| aspiers | well, let's include a user story where libvirtd dies, and we can figure out a good spec for how to handle it | 09:44 |
| aspiers | like I said, no need to solve it in this meeting ;-) | 09:44 |
| ddeja | ok | 09:44 |
| aspiers | one other important piece of info | 09:44 |
| aspiers | we found some serious stability bugs in Pacemaker's remote code | 09:44 |
| aspiers | they are now fixed upstream | 09:44 |
| aspiers | #info SUSE found some serious stability bugs in Pacemaker's remote code | 09:44 |
| aspiers | #link https://github.com/ClusterLabs/pacemaker/pull/908 | 09:45 |
| aspiers | #link https://github.com/ClusterLabs/pacemaker/pull/909 | 09:45 |
| * beekhof will look | 09:45 | |
| aspiers | beekhof: they're merged | 09:45 |
| aspiers | beekhof: you probably already saw 10 days ago | 09:45 |
| beekhof | versioning will change a bit for remote nodes too | 09:45 |
| aspiers | beekhof: oh, what do you mean by versioning? | 09:45 |
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| aspiers | ok never mind :) anything else from anyone? | 09:48 |
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| aspiers | I guess not, so let's close for today | 09:50 |
| aspiers | thanks all, and bye for now! | 09:50 |
| aspiers | see you on #openstack-ha! | 09:50 |
| _gryf | cu! | 09:51 |
| ddeja | hi | 09:51 |
| aspiers | #endmeeting | 09:51 |
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| rvasilets_ | #startmeeting Rally | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 15 14:01:31 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rvasilets_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Rally)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rally' | 14:01 |
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| rvasilets_ | Hi to all | 14:01 |
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| andreykurilin | hi! | 14:03 |
| andreykurilin | o/ | 14:03 |
| rvasilets_ | looks like we have not a lot of topics for today | 14:03 |
| andreykurilin | are you sure?) | 14:03 |
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| rvasilets_ | Lets wait a bit | 14:03 |
| ikhudoshyn | o/ | 14:03 |
| rvasilets_ | Maybe someone else join to us | 14:03 |
| ikhudoshyn | andreykurilin: around? you seem to had a topic | 14:04 |
| andreykurilin | yes, I'm here:) let's wait for another attenders a bit | 14:05 |
| ikhudoshyn | i'd love to report 'bout my install_rally.sh refactoring (we want to install rally in venv on gates) but i'm at the middle of testing | 14:05 |
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| andreykurilin | :) | 14:05 |
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| ikhudoshyn | ..so I won't take your time today)) | 14:05 |
| andreykurilin | let's start? | 14:06 |
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| rvasilets_ | Okey | 14:06 |
| andreykurilin | I have a one topic | 14:06 |
| andreykurilin | raised by saurabh__ in our main chat today | 14:06 |
| rvasilets_ | andreykurilin, lets start from you | 14:06 |
| andreykurilin | ok ok | 14:06 |
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| rvasilets_ | what is the topic? | 14:06 |
| andreykurilin | keystone can kill rally | 14:07 |
| andreykurilin | lol | 14:07 |
| andreykurilin | sounds like a good topic :D | 14:07 |
| andreykurilin | #topic keystone can kill rally | 14:07 |
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| andreykurilin | rvasilets, can you set a topic? | 14:07 |
| rvasilets_ | #topic keystone can kill rally | 14:08 |
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| andreykurilin | nice:) | 14:08 |
| rvasilets_ | this is my privilege) | 14:08 |
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| andreykurilin | In case of "dead" keystone and big number of parallel iterations, keystoneclient will open a lot of sockets | 14:09 |
| andreykurilin | saurabh__ faced with the issue, when rally was unable to open a db file to write the results of task | 14:10 |
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| andreykurilin | sqlite was used | 14:10 |
| rvasilets_ | Is that a problem of rally or sqlite for example? | 14:11 |
| rvasilets_ | This is limitation of sqlite not Rally | 14:11 |
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| rvasilets_ | possibly | 14:11 |
| rvasilets_ | ? | 14:11 |
| andreykurilin | it is limitation of the system in general | 14:11 |
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| andreykurilin | the problem on the rally side - we don't handle such cases | 14:12 |
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| andreykurilin | Maybe, we can check the limit before saving results and increase it if possible | 14:13 |
| rvasilets_ | Could be fix this somehow? | 14:13 |
| andreykurilin | At least, we can catch the error and write user-friendly error | 14:14 |
| rvasilets_ | limit of what? | 14:14 |
| andreykurilin | limit of "open files" | 14:14 |
| ikhudoshyn | andreykurilin: sorry i kinda dont follow. how lots of open sockets prevent us from writing to sqlite? | 14:14 |
| ikhudoshyn | i see | 14:14 |
| andreykurilin | ikhudoshyn: it depends on system settings | 14:15 |
| ikhudoshyn | maybe just post a warning? | 14:15 |
| andreykurilin | when?) | 14:15 |
| ikhudoshyn | during parsing of scenario? | 14:15 |
| rvasilets_ | the biggest thin that we could to do is raise user friendly msg here | 14:15 |
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| andreykurilin | ikhudoshyn: each time? it will bother | 14:16 |
| andreykurilin | we have already 2 warnings(from boto and from requests) | 14:16 |
| andreykurilin | and I want to remove them:) | 14:16 |
| ikhudoshyn | like 'dear user you are to run lots of iterations, you might need many open sockets, pls make sure you can' | 14:16 |
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| ikhudoshyn | can you increase limits in runtime, not being a root? | 14:17 |
| andreykurilin | ikhudoshyn: I suppose we can check the system limit before launching task and print a warning | 14:17 |
| andreykurilin | ikhudoshyn: I don't have such experience:) | 14:17 |
| ikhudoshyn | andreykurilin: that's what i suggested, that did not seem to satisfy u | 14:18 |
| rvasilets_ | Did we filled the bug? | 14:18 |
| andreykurilin | ikhudoshyn: https://docs.python.org/2/library/resource.html#resource.setrlimit | 14:18 |
| ikhudoshyn | I mean we parse scenario, check limits, if they are too low -- we warn | 14:18 |
| rvasilets_ | this is really bad thin | 14:19 |
| andreykurilin | maybe, it is possible to change a limit | 14:19 |
| andreykurilin | but we need to check | 14:19 |
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| andreykurilin | rvasilets_: no, we don't have filed bug yet | 14:19 |
| ikhudoshyn | well, I'm not sure this could be a good idea -- changing system settings quietly | 14:19 |
| rvasilets_ | agree | 14:20 |
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| rvasilets_ | we should just show error or warning | 14:20 |
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| rvasilets_ | an steps how to fix it | 14:20 |
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| ikhudoshyn | andreykurilin: what d'you think? | 14:21 |
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| andreykurilin | ikhudoshyn: It would be nice to have the check proposed by you, in case of sqlite backend and user-friendly error in db-layer | 14:22 |
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| ikhudoshyn | why db layer? I believe it's a somewhat wider issue | 14:23 |
| ikhudoshyn | like we e.g. could run in an issue when we're unable to open sockets as well as files? | 14:23 |
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| andreykurilin | currently, we faced we such issue at db-layer:) http://paste.openstack.org/show/486988/ | 14:24 |
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| ikhudoshyn | so it is not just 'we'll be possibly unable ti store results in db' but 'we'll be possibly unable to do any writes/reads' | 14:24 |
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| andreykurilin | yes | 14:25 |
| ikhudoshyn | so db layer does not look like the very best place) | 14:25 |
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| andreykurilin | task layer already tries to catch all errors and wrap them with user-friendly exception | 14:27 |
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| andreykurilin | and only db-layer is not wrapped with any try...except | 14:27 |
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| ikhudoshyn | it's not good) but it is not necessarily connected to system limits | 14:29 |
| rvasilets_ | we need bigger count of reraising =) | 14:29 |
| andreykurilin | ikhudoshyn: Are you talking about the paste posted above? | 14:30 |
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| ikhudoshyn | nope, i'm talking about the 'limits' issue in general | 14:31 |
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| andreykurilin | I know about only one limit - open files:) which relates to open new files and new sockets and new threads:) | 14:32 |
| ikhudoshyn | if we're sure that the 'pasebin' issue related to 'limits' -- even then i dont think it is a good idea to catch exception and print warning like 'shit happens during operationg with sqlite -- check limits' | 14:32 |
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| ikhudoshyn | andreykurilin: yes -- we are talking about THAT limit ) | 14:33 |
| rvasilets_ | =) | 14:33 |
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| ikhudoshyn | so... | 14:35 |
| andreykurilin | why you don't think that it is a good idea? imo, it would be nice to catch such errors, maybe, execute "time.sleep()" and try again | 14:35 |
| rvasilets_ | where we would sleep() ?) | 14:36 |
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| ikhudoshyn | rvasilets_: at home) | 14:36 |
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| rvasilets_ | reraising error we could lost the trace | 14:36 |
| rvasilets_ | and not found exact occurance of error | 14:37 |
| rvasilets_ | I'm for warning | 14:37 |
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| ikhudoshyn | andreykurilin: from what I could see in the paste -- nothing gives any hint that the issue is related with the limit of open files | 14:37 |
| andreykurilin | ikhudoshyn: It was not a full log | 14:37 |
| andreykurilin | lol | 14:37 |
| andreykurilin | http://paste.openstack.org/show/486959/ | 14:38 |
| andreykurilin | look here | 14:38 |
| ikhudoshyn | hm.. nice,) | 14:38 |
| andreykurilin | L3 | 14:38 |
| andreykurilin | rvasilets_: we have log.exception to store an original trace | 14:38 |
| ikhudoshyn | Failed to consume a task from the queue: Unable to establish connection to https://192.169.123.50:5000/v2.0 | 14:39 |
| ikhudoshyn | see? we got lot's of issues here, not just db related | 14:39 |
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| andreykurilin | ikhudoshyn: i start this topic from the phrase "keystone can kill rally" | 14:40 |
| andreykurilin | :) | 14:40 |
| ikhudoshyn | so I strongly suggest to print a warning during scenario parsing/validation | 14:40 |
| ikhudoshyn | )) | 14:40 |
| rvasilets_ | yea) +1 for warning) | 14:40 |
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| andreykurilin | so, keystone is dead -> keystoneclient continue to open new sockets -> rally failed to write the results | 14:40 |
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| ikhudoshyn | andreykurilin: it can indeed. but catching exception at db layer won't save us anyway)) | 14:41 |
| andreykurilin | we can print the results(json.dumps) in stdout in case of unability to save in db | 14:41 |
| andreykurilin | lol | 14:41 |
| rvasilets_ | lol | 14:42 |
| ikhudoshyn | we don't want to 'sleep()' until all ks client connections close and release file handlers, do we? | 14:42 |
| andreykurilin | we can add one more tries in several seconds | 14:42 |
| andreykurilin | in can help | 14:42 |
| andreykurilin | and it will not produce a big delay | 14:43 |
| andreykurilin | *it can help | 14:43 |
| ikhudoshyn | and what if we just run out of disk space))? | 14:43 |
| ikhudoshyn | we're still won't be able to store data, after 1 sec of after 100 | 14:43 |
| andreykurilin | yes, but it is another issue, which should be fixed separated | 14:44 |
| andreykurilin | or don't fixed:) | 14:44 |
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| ikhudoshyn | disagree. the issues is 'we can't write db' | 14:45 |
| rvasilets_ | the error would be sqlite3.OperationalError | 14:46 |
| rvasilets_ | the same as for many things) | 14:46 |
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| ikhudoshyn | what we could do is to list all possible reasons to user (which i don't believe to be a good idea) or to describe the reasons in a runbook | 14:46 |
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| andreykurilin | ok, but this issue can appeared in different cases. so of them can be processed and handled, another - not | 14:46 |
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| rvasilets_ | only difference is the trace) and possibly msg | 14:46 |
| andreykurilin | +1 for a runbook | 14:47 |
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| ikhudoshyn | )) | 14:47 |
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| ikhudoshyn | and getting back to the separate warning -- do we need it? | 14:47 |
| andreykurilin | I prefer a warning after the event :) | 14:48 |
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| ikhudoshyn | which event? sqlite3.OperationalError | 14:49 |
| ikhudoshyn | ? | 14:49 |
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| rvasilets_ | catching the error by checking the number of used resources and available and writing warning - possibly we can, I don't see here the evil | 14:50 |
| ikhudoshyn | so to be consistent you should say 'db shit happens -- pls check limits, free space, access rights.. what else?' | 14:50 |
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| rvasilets_ | we could catch to many files opens | 14:51 |
| andreykurilin | we can check limits and free space in "catch" code | 14:51 |
| andreykurilin | I write a proper message | 14:51 |
| rvasilets_ | and check keystone | 14:51 |
| rvasilets_ | here | 14:51 |
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| rvasilets_ | bECAUSE FAILED KEYSTONE UNDER LOAD THIS IS COMMON PROBLEM | 14:52 |
| rvasilets_ | sorry | 14:52 |
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| ikhudoshyn | ok i give up... you are to creathe the whole recovery and diagnostic system for just one specific case | 14:52 |
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| rvasilets_ | and all this stuff was caused by failed keystone | 14:52 |
| rvasilets_ | ) | 14:53 |
| ikhudoshyn | rvasilets_: yesssss, but we're talking about file limits and not ks at all | 14:53 |
| rvasilets_ | we could use th simple rule | 14:53 |
| rvasilets_ | 80/20 | 14:53 |
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| ikhudoshyn | so what 80/20 gonna tell you in a case of sqlite3.OperationalError | 14:54 |
| ikhudoshyn | ? | 14:54 |
| ikhudoshyn | ks sux? | 14:54 |
| andreykurilin | :) | 14:54 |
| andreykurilin | ikhudoshyn: btw, we already tries to catch something - https://github.com/openstack/rally/blob/master/rally/cli/cliutils.py#L567-L572 | 14:54 |
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| ikhudoshyn | if we see gazillion of nable to establish connection to https://192.169.123.50:5000/v2.0 | 14:54 |
| ikhudoshyn | we could say it is a ks issue, but if we cant write to db -- why ks is here at all? | 14:55 |
| andreykurilin | ikhudoshyn: Can we reserve one "open file" for db-stuff? | 14:56 |
| ikhudoshyn | andreykurilin: that is a sample of good warning. 'db issue -- pls check yr db' | 14:56 |
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| ikhudoshyn | but 'db issue -- pls check yr limits.. or check yr ks' -- it is a bad warning)) | 14:56 |
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| andreykurilin | ikhudoshyn: ok, but user will check the rights and disk space and will not find the reason of issue | 14:57 |
| ikhudoshyn | andreykurilin: I dont know. If we could -- it would be great | 14:57 |
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| andreykurilin | ikhudoshyn: free resources and disk space can be checked by us ;) | 14:58 |
| ikhudoshyn | i was thinking about keeping it always open -- but it could be fragile | 14:58 |
| andreykurilin | and even rights | 14:58 |
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| rvasilets_ | We have not much time here do we have any agreed? | 14:58 |
| rvasilets_ | ) | 14:58 |
| ikhudoshyn | andreykurilin: ^^ hm.. do you want to check everything in a case of issue? | 14:59 |
| andreykurilin | maybe | 14:59 |
| ikhudoshyn | btw we're out of time | 14:59 |
| andreykurilin | why not? | 14:59 |
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| rvasilets_ | Okey | 14:59 |
| andreykurilin | let's move to our general chat | 14:59 |
| andreykurilin | *main | 14:59 |
| ikhudoshyn | lets continue in slack | 14:59 |
| rvasilets_ | #agree almost agreed) | 14:59 |
| rvasilets_ | See you next meeting | 15:00 |
| andreykurilin | see you | 15:00 |
| rvasilets_ | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 15 15:00:09 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2016/rally.2016-02-15-14.01.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2016/rally.2016-02-15-14.01.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2016/rally.2016-02-15-14.01.log.html | 15:00 |
| lennyb_ | #startmeeting third-party | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 15 15:00:23 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is lennyb_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 15:00 |
| lennyb_ | Hello | 15:00 |
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| Swanson | hello | 15:00 |
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| lennyb_ | Hi Swanson | 15:00 |
| lennyb_ | anteaya is not here today, so I will chair the meetinf | 15:01 |
| lennyb_ | Swanson: any thing you would like to discuss ? | 15:01 |
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| Swanson | I'm running into openstack adminny things so this probably isn't the place. Can't get my routes to the VMs created on my nodes to actually, um, work. | 15:03 |
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| lennyb_ | can you get into them through horizon? | 15:05 |
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| Swanson | I got that working when I left on friday... | 15:05 |
| Swanson | Actually now that I'm looking those nodes look pretty locked up. K. fix my nodes. | 15:06 |
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| Swanson | So, nope, got nothing for this meeting today. | 15:07 |
| Swanson | (Not the nodes, but the VMs created on those nodes.) | 15:07 |
| lennyb_ | ok | 15:07 |
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| * mmedvede late | 15:12 | |
| lennyb_ | Hi mmedvede | 15:13 |
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| mmedvede | hi lennyb_ | 15:13 |
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| lennyb_ | mmedvede, anything you want to discus today? | 15:13 |
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| mmedvede | lennyb_: no, just here to listen | 15:14 |
| lennyb_ | well, there are three of us to listen and nobody to speak :) | 15:15 |
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| lennyb_ | I have a small question regarding APIs, maybe you can clarify something for me | 15:16 |
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| Swanson | Devstack should run fine on top of devstack, right? | 15:16 |
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| lennyb_ | Swanson, I know there is a some additional configuration for this #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/devstack/guides/devstack-with-nested-kvm.html | 15:17 |
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| Swanson | lennyb_, excellent, thanks! | 15:18 |
| lennyb_ | you welcome | 15:18 |
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| lennyb_ | any objections for closing the meeting? | 15:22 |
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| Swanson | I'm good. | 15:24 |
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| lennyb_ | ok, Swanson, mmedvede, thanks for being here. I am closing the meeting. | 15:27 |
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| mmedvede | lennyb_: ok, thank you for hosting | 15:27 |
| Swanson | lennyb_, thanks for the help! | 15:28 |
| lennyb_ | #endmeeting | 15:28 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 15 15:28:14 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:28 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-02-15-15.00.html | 15:28 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-02-15-15.00.txt | 15:28 |
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| NikolayM | #startmeeting Mistral | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 15 16:00:49 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is NikolayM. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mistral' | 16:00 |
| NikolayM | hi everyone! | 16:00 |
| ^Gal^ | howdy | 16:01 |
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| dmowrer | hi | 16:01 |
| akuznetsova | hi | 16:01 |
| bhaskarduvvuri | hi | 16:01 |
| ddeja | hi | 16:01 |
| Ravikiran_K | hi | 16:02 |
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| NikolayM | rakhmerov can't attend to the meeting today | 16:02 |
| hparekh_ | hi | 16:03 |
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| NikolayM | let's start our meeting | 16:03 |
| NikolayM | #topic Review Action items | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review Action items (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 16:03 | |
| NikolayM | so | 16:04 |
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| NikolayM | since we didn't have the whole meeting previously, I look at the minutes of meeting at 1 Feb | 16:05 |
| NikolayM | 1. rakhmerov: replya to dmowrer- about mistral actions | 16:05 |
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| NikolayM | dmowrer, could you comment on this please? | 16:05 |
| dmowrer | he did reply to my email | 16:05 |
| dmowrer | still an ongoing conversation | 16:06 |
| NikolayM | ok, nice | 16:06 |
| NikolayM | 2. rakhmerov: clarify status of https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/use-workflow-id-in-rest-api with Lingxian | 16:06 |
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| NikolayM | the patches regarding to this bp are already merged | 16:07 |
| NikolayM | the status is 'beta available' | 16:07 |
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| ^Gal^ | Id like to comment | 16:07 |
| ^Gal^ | regarding to the matter | 16:07 |
| NikolayM | yes | 16:07 |
| ^Gal^ | I just discovered workflow execution didn't work in the UI | 16:08 |
| ^Gal^ | due to the change in mistral-python-client | 16:08 |
| ^Gal^ | the API signature changed | 16:08 |
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| ^Gal^ | to workflow_identifier | 16:08 |
| ^Gal^ | I kinda broke the UI | 16:08 |
| ^Gal^ | it* | 16:08 |
| NikolayM | but AFAIK client should support both id and name | 16:08 |
| ^Gal^ | It is good | 16:09 |
| ^Gal^ | I just needed to change accordingly the UI call | 16:09 |
| ^Gal^ | hmm so just though it would be nice if one changes API signature let the UI guys know | 16:09 |
| ^Gal^ | so stuff won't get broken and we'll fix them ASAP | 16:09 |
| NikolayM | Does the reason is parameter name? | 16:10 |
| ^Gal^ | yep | 16:10 |
| ^Gal^ | silly small thing | 16:10 |
| ^Gal^ | I just commited a changeset | 16:10 |
| NikolayM | ok, good notice for the future | 16:10 |
| ^Gal^ | thanks :) | 16:11 |
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| NikolayM | it's a pity that lane (Lingxian) is not with us | 16:12 |
| ^Gal^ | yeah | 16:12 |
| NikolayM | I hope he is going to read meeting minutes | 16:12 |
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| NikolayM | let's move on | 16:12 |
| NikolayM | rakhmerov, akuznetsova: discuss https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-ha-gate | 16:12 |
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| NikolayM | akuznetsova, did you discuss this? | 16:13 |
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| akuznetsova | NikolayM, no | 16:14 |
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| NikolayM | ok | 16:14 |
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| NikolayM | I move that to next meeting if you don't mind | 16:15 |
| akuznetsova | ok, thanks | 16:15 |
| NikolayM | #action: rakhmerov, akuznetsova: discuss https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-ha-gate | 16:15 |
| NikolayM | NikolayM: check the status of new API in oslo.messaging for async processing | 16:16 |
| NikolayM | 4th item | 16:16 |
| NikolayM | I noticed those patches are alive :) | 16:16 |
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| NikolayM | and there is another patch set to oslo-specs | 16:17 |
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| NikolayM | I took a look to similar issue in Cinder | 16:17 |
| NikolayM | and created a patch in Mistral - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/279018/ | 16:18 |
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| ddeja | NikolayM: do you think it may be merged before M-3? | 16:19 |
| NikolayM | it fixes problem with crashing executor | 16:19 |
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| NikolayM | need to work on that more intensively and I hope it will land in M-3 :) | 16:20 |
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| ddeja | cool, thanks. I will install it on my setup to provide valuable feedback :) | 16:21 |
| NikolayM | yea | 16:21 |
| NikolayM | it would be great | 16:21 |
| NikolayM | please let us know about the results | 16:21 |
| ddeja | yes, sure. I'll comment on patch | 16:22 |
| NikolayM | #topic Current status | 16:22 |
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| NikolayM | guys, please share our statuses | 16:22 |
| ^Gal^ | I polished the action screen on mistral-dashboard | 16:22 |
| NikolayM | my status: Reviewing a lot, worked on modifying RPC layer | 16:23 |
| hparekh_ | my status : Working on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-fail-transition-message and https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-items-filtering | 16:23 |
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| akuznetsova | my status: just review) | 16:24 |
| dmowrer | Working on blueprint 'Provide action pack to call Mistral', https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-mistral-actions. | 16:24 |
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| NikolayM | ok | 16:27 |
| NikolayM | I guess that's all for status | 16:28 |
| NikolayM | #topic Open Discussion | 16:28 |
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| NikolayM | any thing would you like to discuss? | 16:28 |
| NikolayM | regarding Mistral, of course :) | 16:29 |
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| ^Gal^ | just one thing | 16:32 |
| ^Gal^ | I wasn't in the previous meeting, was on snowboard vacation :P | 16:32 |
| NikolayM | at 8 Feb? | 16:32 |
| ^Gal^ | and heard that Renat wanted to know where we stand UI Wise | 16:32 |
| ^Gal^ | so I looked on the blueprints and bugs today | 16:33 |
| ^Gal^ | everything is finished | 16:33 |
| ^Gal^ | to mitaka 3 | 16:33 |
| NikolayM | great | 16:33 |
| ^Gal^ | :) | 16:34 |
| ^Gal^ | if something comes up let us know | 16:34 |
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| NikolayM | ok | 16:34 |
| ^Gal^ | :) that's all | 16:34 |
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| NikolayM | I count to 7 and then end the meeting | 16:36 |
| NikolayM | 1 | 16:36 |
| NikolayM | 2 | 16:36 |
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| NikolayM | 7 | 16:36 |
| NikolayM | have a good time guys! | 16:37 |
| ^Gal^ | bye :) | 16:37 |
| NikolayM | thank you for attending the meeting | 16:37 |
| hparekh_ | bye... | 16:37 |
| ddeja | bye | 16:37 |
| NikolayM | bye! | 16:37 |
| NikolayM | #endmeeting | 16:37 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 15 16:37:48 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:37 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2016/mistral.2016-02-15-16.00.html | 16:37 |
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| jproulx1 | #startmeeting User Committee | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 15 17:01:05 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jproulx1. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'user_committee' | 17:01 |
| matjazp | #startmeeting training-guides | 17:01 |
| openstack | matjazp: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 17:01 |
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| matjazp | hey all | 17:01 |
| jproulx1 | matjap though we had User Committee meeting scheduled here (which Ijust started) let me double check | 17:02 |
| matjazp | jproulx1: sure, maybe another channel? | 17:02 |
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| matjazp | jproulx1: you have it at 19 UTC | 17:04 |
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| jproulx1 | oops bad time conversion sorry | 17:04 |
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| matjazp | it is the proper channel though | 17:04 |
| jproulx1 | #endmeeting | 17:04 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 15 17:04:30 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:04 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/user_committee/2016/user_committee.2016-02-15-17.01.html | 17:04 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/user_committee/2016/user_committee.2016-02-15-17.01.txt | 17:04 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/user_committee/2016/user_committee.2016-02-15-17.01.log.html | 17:04 |
| matjazp | #startmeeting training-guides | 17:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 15 17:04:48 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is matjazp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:04 |
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| matjazp | hey all | 17:05 |
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| matjazp | anyone here for the training guides meeting? | 17:05 |
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| matjazp | We have standard meeting agenda | 17:06 |
| matjazp | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/training-guides-meeting-agenda | 17:06 |
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| matjazp | timfreund: ping | 17:07 |
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| matjazp | #action matjazp starts a ML discussion about having IRC meetings every two weeks | 17:12 |
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| matjazp | #topic upstream training | 17:16 |
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| matjazp | #info we're still not sure about Austin Training being 2 or 1 day event | 17:17 |
| matjazp | #topic training guides | 17:17 |
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| matjazp | #action matjazp slow progress, matjazp will try to restart it by ML announcement | 17:18 |
| matjazp | #topic any other business | 17:18 |
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| matjazp | #info matjazp has been receiving feedback about slide design (too small when projecting on the screen), we should discuss converting them to something else, maybe reveal.js, as it is more flexible and better maintained than Hieroglyph | 17:21 |
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| matjazp | will wrap this up in 5 min | 17:33 |
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| matjazp | #endmeeting | 17:39 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 15 17:39:37 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:39 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2016/training_guides.2016-02-15-17.04.html | 17:39 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2016/training_guides.2016-02-15-17.04.txt | 17:39 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2016/training_guides.2016-02-15-17.04.log.html | 17:39 |
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| adam_g | #startmeeting astara | 18:01 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'astara' | 18:01 |
| adam_g | o/ all | 18:01 |
| adam_g | today is a US holiday and most of our core team is out for today, so i was going to just call the meeting early unless anyone has anything they'd like to address | 18:01 |
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| phil_h | Nothing new here | 18:02 |
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| adam_g | ok then. talk to you all later ;) | 18:04 |
| adam_g | #endmeeting | 18:04 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 15 18:04:18 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:04 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/astara/2016/astara.2016-02-15-18.01.html | 18:04 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/astara/2016/astara.2016-02-15-18.01.txt | 18:04 |
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