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dguitarbiterluethi: hi10:32
rluethihey10:32
dguitarbite#startmeeting training-labs10:32
openstackMeeting started Wed Jan 27 10:32:32 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is dguitarbite. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.10:32
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.10:32
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dguitarbiteHello guys.10:32
rluethihi10:32
dguitarbite#topic Liberty Support10:33
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rluethiSeems to work now, at least for self-service networks.10:33
rluethiand without the optional storage nodes.10:33
dguitarbiteYes, I think we are almost done with Liberty10:34
rluethiwhat is still needed is review and cleanup.10:34
dguitarbiteWhat remains is a final peer review and pair programming10:34
dguitarbiteto clean up. Yes!10:34
dguitarbite#action dguitarbite rluethi Pair program to cleanup the Liberty patch before merging it.10:34
rluethialso, take a look at the patches up for review that I split out from the Liberty patch.10:34
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rluethisome are needed for Liberty.10:35
dguitarbiterluethi: Shall we ask for Bernd to give his +1 for liberty? Does that make sense?10:35
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dguitarbite#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/272217/10:36
dguitarbite#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/272214/10:36
dguitarbite#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/271752/10:36
dguitarbiterluethi: As of this patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/252297/10:36
dguitarbiteShall we agree on fixing the ping command in install guides?10:36
dguitarbiteI see that depending on the network architecture and/or interface configuration, router may or may not be ping(able) from the network node.10:37
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rluethiyes, ask Bernd.10:37
dguitarbite#action get rluethi, dguitarbite and berndbausch +1/+2/+1 for merging liberty patch.10:37
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rluethibrb10:39
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rluethiokay, the ping test in the install-guide shows the expected network setup.10:40
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rluethiwhich doesn't match ours.10:41
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rluethiso we need to fix our setup or convince the install-guide that they need to change theirs.10:41
dguitarbiteI think pinging the router from its relative namespace should be good enough to test if it is working. Because it always works.10:41
rluethiright now, I need the iptable change to make the instance launch test script work on KVM with Liberty.10:42
dguitarbiteFor instance there is nothing wrong with our cluster. The test is kind of flawed IMHO.10:42
dguitarbiterluethi: that should be convincing enough for the install guides. For KVM based deployments, we should avoid tweaking the iptables.10:42
dguitarbiteSounds like a compelling argument to get our patch merged in there.,10:42
rluethion my system, the ping test accurately predicts where the launch instance script fails, too.10:43
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rluethimaybe it's libvirt that needs fixing, not the install-guide.10:43
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dguitarbiterluethi: I believe that libvirt has many flaws.10:44
dguitarbiteBut I am against tweaking the iptable rules set by libvirt,10:44
rluethiso, what do you get on your system when you run "PROVIDER=kvm ./tools/repeat_test.sh -b -r 1"?10:45
dguitarbiteit just disrupts the entire system. For instance the L2 layer protocols were misbehaving on my workstation because the internal deployment tool for SUSE Cloud tweaked libvirt iptables rules to forward the traffic by passing the host machine10:45
dguitarbitemaking it impossible for us to use things like "arp"!!!10:45
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dguitarbiterluethi: I can post the output for you but it was working for me till I found a bug in the test script. I am testing the cluster and the fix that I have.10:46
rluethiIt was working until you found a bug?10:46
dguitarbitebasically using `nova-manage service list --service compute` is not good anymore. We should prefer using `openstack compute service list --service nova-compute` instead.10:46
dguitarbiteyes, the bug was with this command.10:47
dguitarbiteI believe that this command is deprecated (I may be wrong here though).10:47
rluethifair enough, but that sounds entirely unrelated to the issue at hand.10:47
dguitarbitejust that the test scripts stopped and the cluster started rebuilding :| so I could not get an outcome.10:47
dguitarbiteMeanwhile I did manual testing of launch and instance, pinging it, ssh etc. and it works as expected!10:48
rluethi#action rluethi dguitarbite check launch instance test script for deprecated commands10:48
dguitarbiterluethi: May be it makes sense to aggregate all these commands into a separate function (if possible?/and/or if it makes sense?)10:49
rluethithat probably means that your system's iptables have already been messed with.10:49
dguitarbiterluethi: true.10:49
rluethi"all these commands"?10:49
dguitarbitein the test scripts, may be we create functions which return the output of the command rather than calling the commands directly.10:49
dguitarbiteMay be thats a good idea?10:50
rluethilet's see an example.10:50
dguitarbiterluethi: ok, not a problem. But I think the only thing it will help us with is updating the commands based on the openstack cli/api version10:51
dguitarbiteMay not be worth the effort.10:51
rluethifor the iptables, we can add a message that tells KVM users that they need to enable an additional options to make it work.10:52
rluethiYES_MESS_WITH_MY_IPTABLES=yes or something.10:52
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rluethiwithout that code, KVM won't work.10:52
rluethiat least, that's what my tests on reasonably clean systems say.10:53
rluethidebian, opensuse, fedora.10:53
dguitarbiterluethi: Even with my workaround?10:53
dguitarbitecan you check it with my changes using network namespaces?10:53
rluethiI told you already, that is cheating. I know that works.10:54
rluethiBut that's not the point.10:54
rluethiyou could ping localhost, too, that would work as well.10:54
dguitarbiterluethi: How is that cheating? That is more than enough to test if the router is up  and the cluster should work with it!10:55
dguitarbitePinging the router from the network node is optional and I strongly believe that, that test case is not foolproof10:55
rluethiit is cheating because it is not what the install-guide says what we should test.10:55
dguitarbiterluethi: install-guides can be wrong. I will speak with Matt and see if he agrees with me.10:55
rluethiyes. talk to matt.10:56
dguitarbiteI dont see a point in sacrificing our policy to not touch the host system.10:56
dguitarbiterluethi: Awesome. He will wake up around 3~4 pm CET.10:56
rluethiit is a collision of several policies.10:56
dguitarbiteI would prefer sacrificing accuracy with install-gudies over sacrificing host's machine of our users.10:57
dguitarbiteBut you may be right here.10:57
rluethiif you talk to him, maybe ask him to describe his physical setup and the configuration so we know what we are trying to replicate.10:57
* dguitarbite sudo over confusing users ?? :\10:57
dguitarbiteok, Ill keep this in mind.10:57
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rluethiproblem is, as soon as you use KVM, you a program wildly manipulating iptables.10:58
rluethithere is no way around it.10:58
rluethiKVM users already signed up for this.10:58
dguitarbiterluethi: yes! can we do the same using virsh instead? Atleast it would be less disruptive.10:58
rluethiwe can still add extra warnings, but so far all my tests indicated that we need the change.10:58
rluethiyou are very welcome to find a way to do it using libvirt's nwfilters or something else.10:59
dguitarbiteok, Ill first speak to Matt.11:00
rluethiI was happy to find _some_ plausible fix that worked.11:00
dguitarbiteMe too! Thanks for trying to fix it.11:00
rluethikeep us posted.11:00
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dguitarbiteYes, Ill start a thread on Docs ML. Also invite people to test Liberty changes. Mostly advertise it for the install-guides specialty team to use it for Mitaka release.11:01
dguitarbiterluethi: Anything else on this topic?11:01
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dguitarbiteI think we should move on to other important topics.11:01
rluethiI'd wait with advertising until we removed that bugs we know about :)11:01
rluethinext topic11:01
dguitarbiteYes11:02
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dguitarbite#topic Summit Talk(s)/Workshops.11:04
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dguitarbite#info dguitarbite rluethi decide on topics for a talk and workshop/hands-on session.11:04
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rluethiwe need to hash this out by the end of this week.11:05
dguitarbiteYes.11:05
dguitarbite#action Submit talk proposals by end of this week to meet the dead line.11:06
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rluethiI have an idea or two for neat features we could present, but they are not up for review yet.11:06
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dguitarbiteOk! Lets get them merged then :D11:06
rluethithey exist as working PoCs, though.11:06
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dguitarbiteI am going to add a slide or two on de-centralized-pair-programming-and-review on a single patch (liberty patch)11:07
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rluethiNot sure what you mean. I can't wait to see that slide.11:09
dguitarbite#topic python port11:09
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dguitarbiterluethi: Yes I will explain it later :)11:09
dguitarbiteProgress on python is slower than expected. I am still stuck designing XML handling part for Libvirt which I believe is around 80% progress for KVM backend.11:09
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dguitarbiteI shall try my best again to get some momentum in this direction asap.11:10
rluethiI would have used virsh instead of XML interfaces.11:10
dguitarbiterluethi: Hmm, it is not so pythonic (if you know what I mean ;) )11:10
rluethiXML is not pythonic, either.11:11
dguitarbiteI am trying to make it ... I'm using inheritance to parse and understand XML for KVM. But we can discuss this later on.11:11
dguitarbite#topic AOB?!.&*$11:11
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rluethiI'm good.11:11
dguitarbiterluethi: I discussed about the webpage and hosting tar/zip for training-labs in the last doc's team meeting. I hope to get this in soon.11:12
dguitarbite#action dguitarbite send patch to openstack-manuals to publish training-labs webpage.11:12
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rluethiThat would be awesome.11:12
dguitarbiteone good news is that we shall have a section on the official openstack training page redirecting to training-labs :)11:12
rluethiWe cannot go to Austin without it.11:12
dguitarbiterluethi: true!11:13
dguitarbiteIm good too. Anything else to discuss?11:13
rluethiNo. Just don't forget to talk to Matt. It's important to get this straight.11:13
rluethiIf you find the time, try testing on a fresh setup.11:14
dguitarbiteYes, I will do that soon (prob. today).11:14
rluethiI use external SSDs for that.11:14
dguitarbiterluethi: already started the test run.11:14
dguitarbiteNot on a fresh setup. What I do these days is `iptables -F && systemctl restart libvirtd.service`11:14
dguitarbiteits quite the same (hopefully!)11:14
rluethiI don't think it is, but I am not sure it is relevant in this case. I'd have to look into it.11:15
dguitarbiteYes. See you next week. Bye :)11:15
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rluethisee you before next week.11:15
rluethibye11:15
* dguitarbite catch me if you can ;)11:16
dguitarbite#endmeeting11:16
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ajohdaniel, ihrachys , irenab , njohnston , see you later on the QoS meeting12:46
ajoI'm doing a pass on the agenda: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/qos-mitaka12:46
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irenabajo: thanks for heads up12:56
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hdanielajo: cool12:59
joehuang_hello13:00
zhipenghello13:00
joehuang_we'll start tricircle meeting soon13:00
Yipeihi13:00
joehuang_hi Yipei13:00
Yipeihi Joe13:00
zhiyuanhi all13:01
joehuang_#startmeeting tricircle13:01
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joehuang_#topic rollcall13:01
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joehuang_#info joe13:01
zhiyuan#info zhiyuan13:01
zhipeng#info zhipeng13:01
Yipei#info Yipei13:02
joehuang_#topic TODO list review13:02
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joehuang_hi, before the progress of the todo list, we spent few minutes on the bug in two node installation13:03
joehuang_hi Yipei, could you describe the bug you met in the installation13:03
Yipeiok13:03
Yipeiwhen installing devstack on node213:04
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YipeiI encounter an error  "Could not find resource admin", when executing "openstack project show admin -f value -c id"13:05
zhiyuanDevStack now injects the environment variable before setting up service account, we set OS_REGION_NAME as Pod2 in node2, but keystone doesn't have admin tenant in Pod2, thus causing problem13:07
YipeiI remove all the "create_XXX_accounts" in stack.sh, and I have already finish installing devstack on two nodes13:07
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joehuang_could you show all endpoint in KeyStone, to check to see if all enpoints registered correctlly13:08
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Yipeiok13:08
Yipei+----------------------------------+-----------+--------------+----------------+---------+-----------+------------------------------------------------+ | ID                               | Region    | Service Name | Service Type   | Enabled | Interface | URL                                            | +----------------------------------+-----------+--------------+----------------+---------+-----------+-----------------------13:09
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joehuang_ok, would Yipei register a bug in launchpad, and Zhiyuan guide Yipei to fix the bug13:10
joehuang_it's a very good start for Yipei13:10
zhiyuanfine, for fixing bug, we cannot directly remove "create_keystone_account", should check if keystone already starts in another node13:11
PengfeiMay you disable the default region?13:11
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joehuang_hi, yipei, no need to paste all result in the irc, it's not easy to read, just make sure RegionOne, pod1, pod2, and each should have Nova,Cinder,Neutron service13:11
Pengfeireference: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/devstack/configuration.html13:11
Yipeiyes13:11
Yipeiall the info is shown13:12
PengfeiMulti-Region Setup  We want to setup two devstack (RegionOne and RegionTwo) with shared keystone (same users and services) and horizon. Keystone and Horizon will be located in RegionOne. Full spec is available at: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Heat/Blueprints/Multi_Region_Support_for_Heat.  In RegionOne:  REGION_NAME=RegionOne In RegionTwo:  disable_service horizon KEYSTONE_SERVICE_HOST=<KEYSTONE_IP_ADDRESS_FROM_REGION_ONE13:12
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joehuang_to Pengfei, we reuse the RegionOne for Tricircle services13:12
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joehuang_great, the link is helpful13:12
joehuang_#action register a bug for two nodes devstack setup13:13
Yipeiok13:14
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joehuang_to yipei, you mean RegionOne, pod1, pod2 now with correct configuration in KeyStone?13:14
zhiyuanyes, KEYSTONE_SERVICE_HOST is already configured as the ip address of node1, but OS_REGION_NAME is not correct13:14
zhiyuanseem like a bug introduced by a recent merged patch13:15
Yipeiyes, RegionOne, pod1, pod2 now with correct configuration in KeyStone13:15
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joehuang_ok. let's fix the bug offline13:16
joehuang_let's come back to todo list13:16
joehuang_hi, zhiyuan, your progress briefly, pls13:16
joehuang_#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/TricircleToDo13:16
zhiyuanok, patch for l3 EW networking has been merged, now I am working on l3 NS networking13:17
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joehuang_ok, the AI1, and AI3 will be marked as done, but 3 with one bug left13:17
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joehuang_for the AI1, one enhancement is left as one AI in phase 313:19
joehuang_reliable and good performance mechanism for long task with multiple bottom pods interaction. Like adding extra route for each involved pod to establish cross pod L3 networking13:19
joehuang_for the quota control part13:20
joehuang_the algorithm is updated in the design doc13:21
joehuang_#link https://docs.google.com/document/d/18kZZ1snMOCD9IQvUKI5NVDzSASpw-QKj7l2zNqMEd3g/edit#13:21
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joehuang_and now, the db part is mostly ported from Cinder for hierarchy multi-tenancy quota control13:22
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joehuang_the patch was merged13:22
joehuang_and I am now working on api part for quota CRUD, hopefully the patch will be ready for review by the end of the week13:23
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joehuang_after phase II, we have a very rough base for the tricircle service13:25
joehuang_and many important features need to be implemented in phase 313:25
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joehuang_so if any one are interested in the action item in phase 3, please mark with your irc handle13:26
joehuang_so if any one IS interested in the action item in phase 3, please mark with your irc handle13:27
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zhiyuanwell, I am working on No3, and I will take No1013:27
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joehuang_great13:28
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YipeiI still cannot make a decide now, can i reconsider it offline13:29
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joehuang_no problem, all of us can decide offline13:30
joehuang_and just work the interesting one in the todo list13:30
joehuang_if you find anything missing in the todo list, please add it13:30
Yipeiok13:31
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joehuang_one action is to update the google doc with the L3 netwoking, I'll do it tomorrow, or the day after tomorrow13:32
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joehuang_#action update google doc with the L3 netwoking13:32
joehuang_good meeting, any other topic?13:32
zhiyuanno for me13:33
Yipeino for me13:33
YipeiNext week i plan to report and fix the bug. furthermore, i will go on playing tricircle with two node deployment.13:33
zhiyuangreat!13:34
zhipenggreat Yipei13:34
Yipeistill need you guys' help13:34
joehuang_Yipei, you are doing well, go on please13:34
Yipeithank you13:34
joehuang_so, thank you for the meeting, see next wwek13:34
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zhipengfeel free to email any questions13:34
Yipeiok. got it13:34
joehuang_#endmeeting13:35
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openstackMeeting ended Wed Jan 27 13:35:02 2016 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)13:35
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Yipeisee you next week13:35
joehuang_bye13:35
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ajoyamamoto_, akamyshnikova, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/267591/14:37
ajoif you could have a look at that14:37
ajoit's related to the agent uuid cookie stamp14:37
ajosorry, wrong channel14:37
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SotKanyone here for storyboard?15:00
Zarahello15:00
Zara!15:00
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SotK#startmeeting storyboard15:01
openstackMeeting started Wed Jan 27 15:01:06 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is SotK. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'storyboard'15:01
SotK#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StoryBoard Agenda15:01
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SotKI don't think we have any announcements this week?15:01
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Zarayeah, I've put 'emails will be up when infra adjust email config' on the agenda, but I think most people know that by now15:01
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ZaraI'm just putting it there for completeness15:02
Zarasince emails will then vanish from agenda, don't want it to look like we stopped the work in the middle when we've actually done everything we need to for now!15:02
SotK#info StoryBoard will be able to send basic notification emails when patches to tweak the exim config are merged15:02
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ZaraI'd amend that to storyboard.openstack.org , since storyboard itself can and does send them15:03
SotK#undo15:03
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SotK#info storyboard.openstack.org will be able to send basic notification emails when patches to tweak the exim config are merged15:04
SotKgood point :)15:04
betherlyo/15:04
Zarahi betherly! :)15:04
SotKhi betherly15:04
betherlysorry late!15:04
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Zaranp :)15:04
SotKDo we have any urgent items that haven't been agenda'd? (I can't think of any)15:05
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Zarawe have quite a big backlog of things waiting in reviw15:05
Zara*review15:05
ZaraI don't think any one thing is especially urgent15:05
Zarabut we should keep an eye on it15:05
SotKindeed15:05
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betherlyill get to those just as soon as im set up locally15:06
SotKwonderful, thanks :)15:06
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Zarayes, thank you! :)15:06
SotK#topic In Progress Work15:06
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SotKI've been working on speeding up the loading of boards/worklists, since at the moment they make a load of GET requests (one per card)15:08
SotKI'm about to send patches to make it much quicker (one GET per board)15:08
Zara\o/15:09
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betherlywoot!15:09
Zara:)15:09
Zara#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/owner:adam.coldrick%2540codethink.co.uk+status:open15:10
Zarathat's probably the quickest link to patches in review, though not everything there is for the speedups15:10
SotKAfter that I'll make the "moving cards around" behaviour more sensible (that is, only send a PUT for the moved card, not everything in both affected lanes)15:10
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SotKhttps://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+topic:worklists might be better :)15:11
Zaraheh15:11
SotK(though that also has some non-speedup things)15:11
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SotKis there any other in progress work?15:13
ZaraI've started investigating search again15:13
ZaraI looked at it when I started, got completely overwhelmed, am now tentatively poking at it again15:13
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Zarastarting off by looking at making tags searchable. and hopefully comments.15:13
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Zara#info Zara is investigating search15:14
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SotKexciting :D15:15
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ZaraI was originally looking into task metadata, because it would overlap nicely with boards and worklists, BUT I think there'll be too much overlap, resulting in much patch-reworking etc as you make progress15:15
Zaraso this is sufficiently different but hopefully complementary... provided I get anywhere, anyway. :) in the meantime, hopefully we'll be getting feedback on emails15:16
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Zaraand then we can smoothly move back to the notifications work as necessary.15:17
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SotK\o/15:17
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SotKthere aren't any discussion topics on the agenda, so...15:20
SotK#topic Open Discussion15:20
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ZaraI have a bunch of things in review, of varying quality https://review.openstack.org/#/q/owner:zara.zaimeche%2540codethink.co.uk+status:open . if anyone has a sec to look, that'd be helpful. however, SotK's patches are more substatial so I'd rather people prioritise his.15:21
Zaraof those I've just linked, I think 'display assignees' and 'put most recently created'... would be the most important15:22
Zara'create story button...' is also useful, but I don't think the implementation is good enough yet15:22
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* SotK wants 'display assignees' merging asap :)15:23
Zara# link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/269707/15:23
ZaraI have plans to improve that implementation (libravatar!), but I think it's better than the current one.15:24
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Zarathere are 3 versions in that patch series with slightly different spacing, my preference is for the latest but the 2nd would also be fine by me15:25
Zara#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/272176/15:25
* SotK is fine with either of those too15:25
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Zara^ the other one I linked is useful when you're gardening a project15:26
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Zaraalso gives an impression of how active a project is, though we could do with a better way to show that on the 'projects' list15:26
Zarafuture thing, though.15:26
Zaraotherrrr things....15:27
krotschecko/15:27
krotscheckSorry I'm late15:27
SotKhi krotscheck15:27
Zarahello! :)15:28
Zaragood to see ya!15:28
Zaraseems a good time to mention that Krotscheck helped out with The Dreaded 401 last week15:29
Zara#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/270882/15:29
krotscheckI have no time today to followup on the 401 errors, mostly because I finally have the attention of infra-root to get npm mirrors upa nd running15:29
Zaraheheheh15:29
krotscheckBut I did get the first piece handled.15:29
Zarayeah15:29
krotscheckSo, ETA next week maybe?15:29
* SotK has been planning to review that for about a week but keeps getting distracted with other things15:30
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Zarathat's fine. :) I wanted to check someone was working on it, really, beyond that it's not urgent.15:30
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Zarathe main reason it annoys me personally is because it's the first thing people see when they visit storyboard15:30
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Zarabut it's been that way for a while so I think most people are used to it... and I think if I look at it fulltime, it will take me longer than it'll take Krotscheck part time and distracted.15:33
krotscheckRighto15:33
Zara\o/15:33
krotscheckBarring https://github.com/angular/angular.js/pull/13273 merging and angular 1.6 being released OMG soon, I'm likely going to do a similar approach to token refresh on revisit as I did to the reload thing.15:34
krotscheckBasically = refresh the token before the application initializes.15:34
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krotscheckAssuming I can do that, which requires delaying init based on promise resolution.15:34
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krotscheckWe'll see.15:35
krotscheckAnyway15:35
krotschecksorry to bogart.15:35
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Zaraheh, that seems fine to me, but I'm not sure I know enough about it to spot any looming problems-- but I will test it to death, either way. xD15:36
Zarathank you again15:37
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Zarathis bug is my personal nemesis15:37
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Zaramy remaining question is-- task metadata? which isn't really a question but.15:39
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persiaIt's too general: what specific sort of data about the tasks are you asking about?15:39
* persia may or may not have an opinion, but can't tell from the question15:39
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Zara:P I was typing!15:39
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Zararight, so I'm interested in this for two reasons: 1. tasks in the story view displaying links to gerrit changes, or other relevant resources 2. cards in the kanban view displaying things like due dates, milestones.15:40
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ZaraI'd think of these things as things that come under the heading of 'task metadata'15:41
SotKafter an IRL chat with persia I think that the due-date/milestone metadata belongs to the card not the task15:41
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Zaraokay, are you going to be looking at that as part of boards and worklists?15:42
SotKI can do, yeah15:43
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Zaraat this point the details are hazy to me, I just want to check someone's thinking about them if I'm not anymore!15:43
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Zaraso what about reason 1. ? associating resources with tasks?15:44
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SotKlinks to gerrit/other stuff belong to the task I think15:44
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Zaraokay, so that now sounds like it's sufficiently separate from boards and worklists that I could usefully do that.15:45
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SotKit should be, yes15:48
Zara:) I *think* tasks with links should take priority over searching tags, because more users have asked about the former, and for my own part I find the former much more of a problem in day-to-day gardening storyboard.15:49
Zarabut I want to check that this sounds sensible to others15:49
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* SotK is fine with that, I really want task links :)15:49
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Zaraokay :) so my current plan is to allocate 2 days to investigating tags search again, in case the fix is trivial, because there's a chance task links are more work. if I'm stuck by the end of the week, task links are go. or if not. :P15:51
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SotKdoes "tags search" mean "search for tags" or "filter stories by tag" to you?15:52
Zara'filter stories by tag', but for use in searching all resources15:53
* SotK wonders how it would be relevant to searching all resources?15:53
Zaraeg: type 'low-hanging fruit', it comes up with all things that are tagged 'low-hanging fruit', that will happen to be stories.15:53
Zarawell, I'd imagine people might just want to type the tag text into the searchbar to find things15:54
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Zararather than navigate to 'stories' first and then filter. though it would depend on who was doing the searching15:54
Zaraeg: someone seeing how frequently their tag was used would want to search all resources15:55
Zarasomeone wanting to contribute to a project would want to see only things in that project15:55
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* SotK wonders how to tell if someone wants to search for things tagged 'low-hanging-fruit' rather than search for things containing the words 'low-hanging-fruit'15:56
Zarahonestly, I think the person would generally be interested in both15:56
Zaraa problem atm is that tags aren't indexed15:56
Zaraafaict, anyway15:56
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Zaraso people have to write what should be tags in descriptions, or in titles15:57
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SotK(I'm asking all this because filter-by-tag will be much quicker to implement than the alternatives I think)15:58
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Zaraheh, out of time, but can continue in channel16:00
SotKanyway, we are almost out of time, so can discuss things further in #storyboard if needs be :)16:00
SotKsnap16:00
SotKthanks all!16:00
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SotK#endmeeting16:00
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SwansonHello?  Anyone?16:09
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jlvillal#startmeeting17:00
openstackjlvillal: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee'17:00
jlvillal#startmeeting ironic_qa17:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Jan 27 17:00:49 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is jlvillal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:00
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jlvillalHello all17:01
krtayloro/17:01
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cdearborn\o17:01
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jlvillalAs always the Agenda is at: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic-QA17:01
sambettso/17:01
maurosr\o17:01
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jlvillal#topic Announcements17:01
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aarefievhi!17:02
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jlvillal#info Ironic gate is still having issues17:02
jlvillalDoes anyone have any announcements.17:02
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jlvillalI know that this has been a bad week for the Ironic gate with multiple issues occurring.17:03
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jlvillalThough on the good news. The neutron one got fixed yesterday.17:03
jlvillalOkay if nothing else I'll move on.17:04
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jlvillal#topic Grenade Testing17:04
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jlvillal#info With the help of jroll, jlvillal made some progress in figuring out why some tests are failing.17:05
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jlvillal#info jlvillal to investigate TEMPEST_CONCURRENCY as we don't have enough bare-metal VMs to run a full tempest test all at once.17:05
cdearborncan you elaborate a little?17:05
vdrokjlvillal, TEMPEST_CONCURRENCY will set the number of concurrent test runs, but if one test requires 3 vms it won't help :(17:06
jlvillalcdearborn: So the grenade job fails with host not available errors. It appears to be because tempest is requesting too many hosts to run on.17:06
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cdearbornjlvillal, tx17:07
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jlvillalWe only create a single Ironic VM for testing. As each one takes 1024MB (1GB) of memory to run.17:07
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jlvillalSo we will probably have to black-list tests which require more than one VM. And try to make it run serially.17:07
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jlvillalvdrok: thanks17:08
jlvillalDoes anyone have any questions or comments before we move on?17:08
sambettswith tinyipa we might be able to increase the number of vms17:08
krtaylorjlvillal, I assume the error is running parallel17:08
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jlvillalsambetts: That would be cool/great :) I guess tests may request up to 3 VMs17:08
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jlvillal#info tinyipa may allow us to use less memory per Ironic bare-metal VM (oxymoron?) and thus allow us to run more VMs.17:09
sambettstinyipa seems to run with a minimum 384mb of RAM so that might possible17:09
jlvillalkrtaylor: Partly. But also some tests may actually request 3 VMs. From what mtreinish said.17:10
jlvillalsambetts: Even at 512MB I think we could probably run 3 VMs. As that would only be an extra 512MB of used memory. Proof is in the pudding as they say on that island ;)17:11
jlvillalAny other questions/comments?17:11
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jlvillalOkay moving on. Thanks for the questions and comments :)17:11
jlvillal#topic Functional testing17:11
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jlvillalDoes anyone have anything for this? Not sure if anyone is working on it at the moment.17:12
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jlvillalThough I did see a patch or two proposed in the python-ironicclient space. But I don't think there is any openstack/ironic work going on.17:12
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jlvillalI'll take the silence as no activity.17:13
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jlvillal#info No new activity for openstack/ironic functional testing work.17:13
jlvillalOkay moving on.17:13
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jlvillal#topic 3rd Party CI17:13
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jlvillalBrought to you by krtaylor :)17:13
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krtaylorI sent out a reminder for M-2 requirements17:13
jlvillalI saw it :)17:14
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krtaylorhaven't had any questions, although I should have pinged thingee about it also17:14
jlvillal#info krtaylor sent out reminder about M-2 requirements to openstack-dev mailing list17:14
krtaylorsomeone needs to go through and see if the drivers have registered17:14
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krtaylorI'll do that if no one else volunteers  :)17:15
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jlvillalkrtaylor: I was going to ask you if you had seen anything as far as registration :)17:15
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jlvillalkrtaylor: Anything else?17:16
krtaylorI don't watch the third-party email traffic as much as I have in the past, but I have not seen any new registrations17:16
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krtaylorthat doesnt mean they didnt happen17:16
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krtaylorI'll walk through that in the next day or so17:16
jlvillalkrtaylor: Anything new on the Wiki? https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ThirdPartySystems17:16
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jlvillalkrtaylor: Do you have any idea of a rough count of 3rd party CIs?17:17
krtaylortotal? not current17:17
jlvillalEither17:17
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krtaylorthat list is not complete17:18
krtaylorit should be, but isnt17:18
krtaylorthird party folks tend to be rebels  :)17:18
jlvillal:)17:18
krtaylorthats it for me17:18
jlvillalkrtaylor: Thank you.17:18
jlvillalOkay moving on.17:18
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jlvillal#topic Open Discussion / General QA17:19
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jlvillalThe floor is open if anyone has something they want to discuss.17:19
jrollI got distracted17:19
jrollbut we may be able to run 3 VMs in devstack17:19
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jrollif you want to give that a shot and see what happens17:20
jlvillaljroll: I can try locally and see what happens. That is 3GB of memory usage.17:20
jlvillalI'll fire it up!17:20
jrolljlvillal: yeah, that's what I have running locally, I haven't tried booting all 317:20
* jroll does that17:20
* jlvillal starts creation of new devstack VM...17:21
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jlvillalAny other opens?17:22
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jlvillalOkay. I'm going to call it a meeting.17:22
jlvillalThanks everyone!17:22
jlvillal#endmeeting17:23
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skraynev_#startmeeting heat20:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Jan 27 20:00:15 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is skraynev_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.20:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.20:00
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prazumovskyHi20:00
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skraynev_#topic rollcall20:00
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jdobo/20:00
Dragoo/20:00
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skraynev_shardy, stevebaker, zaneb20:01
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jdob... slackers :)20:01
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zanebsorry, will only have 5% attention on this today20:01
skraynev_lol ;)20:01
jdobactually, i shouldn't start out talking trash, I need to beg for core reviewers on one of my patches20:01
skraynev_zaneb: np. We have a short agenda, just want to make sure, that somebody else here ;)20:02
zanebjdob: just be grateful you're not doing what I've been doing all day ;)20:02
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jdobi have no idea what you've been doing, but I can say with 100% certainty that i am glad it's you and not me20:03
randallburto/20:03
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cwolferho/20:03
skraynev_jdob: let's continue it in Open discussion, please20:03
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skraynev_#topic Adding items to agenda20:03
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skraynev_#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282016-01-27_2000_UTC.2920:04
skraynev_as I told it's really short :)20:04
skraynev_so let's do it quick and got to Open discussion20:04
skraynev_if nobody don;t mind of course ;)20:05
jreevesoops..I forgot to add mine to the agenda20:05
skraynev_jreeves: do it ;)20:05
skraynev_#topic Remove useless job for heatclient and find alternative20:05
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skraynev_we have a bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-heatclient/+bug/153286720:06
openstackLaunchpad bug 1532867 in python-heatclient "gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-src-python-heatclient is useless" [Medium,Triaged] - Assigned to Sergey Kraynev (skraynev)20:06
skraynev_This job does not make sense for us gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-src-python-heatclient20:06
skraynev_because it does not execute any Heat related tests20:06
randallburtkill it with fire20:07
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skraynev_Yes, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/272411/20:07
jreevesagenda updated20:07
skraynev_it's already here ^20:07
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skraynev_so20:07
skraynev_do we need some alternative for it?20:07
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skraynev_some tempest job or we may improve our own functional tests for heatclient and it will be enough ?20:08
randallburtskraynev:  what was it "supposed" to do?20:08
jdobis it worth investing in replacing whatever it's supposed to do against heat client or potentially rewrite for OSC?20:09
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randallburtskraynev:  and has our current gate not given us enough confidence?20:09
randallburtjdob:  was just about to say, I agree it doesn't make much sense unless we start writing functional tests for the OSC stuff20:09
skraynev_randallburt: as I see, it tries to execute tempest.api tests20:10
skraynev_f.e. tempest.api.orchestration.stacks.test_neutron_resources.NeutronResourcesTestJSON20:10
skraynev_TBH, I have not checked, what exactly this test does20:11
randallburtskraynev_:  but tempest uses its own client so it is in fact pointless20:11
randallburtanyway, fwiw, I would say we just remove it since its not doing anything for us and write functional jobs that run the osc plugins against devstack20:12
skraynev_randallburt: agree, but it might have some useful test cases. Probably the best solution - check what tests it had and add something similar to our internal functional tests (if it be really valuable for us)20:12
jdob+120:12
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randallburtand not try and write new tests for the existing client20:13
skraynev_randallburt: good point. I forgot about it.20:13
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skraynev_#action don't wtite new functional tests for old client methods. Do it for osc plugin20:14
skraynev_next one20:14
skraynev_#topic Update spec to add new resource type20:14
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skraynev_#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/272173/20:14
skraynev_looks like I did what I could :)20:14
jreevessimple thing left. just needs anothe +220:14
skraynev_for this spec20:15
jreevesanother20:15
jreevesyeah, thanks skraynev20:15
jreeveshoping to get this in so I can get to coding20:15
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skraynev_jreeves: you need two +220:15
jreevesyeah....'another' :)20:15
skraynev_because it's a specs repository20:15
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skraynev_jreeves: two != second20:16
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jreevesah20:16
skraynev_totally it should be equal 3 -  +220:16
skraynev_before it be approved20:16
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skraynev_we use this approach, because it allows for more people take a look on spec20:17
randallburtIMO this sounds like a good candidate for the spec-lite20:17
randallburtnot that you should redo anything20:17
skraynev_randallburt: first bird ? :)20:17
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skraynev_first candidate == first bird :)20:18
randallburtlol20:18
randallburtsure20:18
randallburtbut I +2 anyway :D20:18
skraynev_jreeves: try to ping tiantian or shardy or therve tomorrow20:18
jreevesok20:18
skraynev_jreeves: or you can choose hard way and ask zaneb ;)20:19
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skraynev_#topic Open Discussion20:19
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randallburtskraynev_:  but going forward, I think new resources def fall in the spec-lite bucket20:19
randallburtlol20:19
zaneb-220:19
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zanebwhat is the spec?20:19
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skraynev_zaneb: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/272173/20:19
randallburtnew netron qos resources20:19
jreevesok....I'll do that moving forward. I think I asked in the #heat channel last week about that, but got no response...so this was a simple add20:19
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skraynev_jdob: what patch did you want to ask to review?20:21
jdobhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/239967/20:21
jdobalready had a +2 from shardy, but the RPC versoin moved again20:21
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skraynev_jdob: oh. it's about multienviroments ?20:21
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jdoband i have another change that will also move the RPC version so i'd like to get this one landed before I'm chasing two patches20:21
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jdobya, i still need to figure out why CI is failing on the impl behind multi-env, but it doesnt seem to happen all the time20:22
skraynev_jdob: I remember about it. it was in my today's plans, but I stopped before this one :) I promise to review it tomorrow (if you will not find someone else)20:22
jdobmostly just hoping to get it in before the RPC versoin moves again20:22
jdobawesome, thanks! :)20:22
pratikmallyadamned rpc version20:23
randallburtjdob:  where do these files get resolved or are they already assumed to be the file contents at this point?20:23
jdobthey are in the files dict by the time they reach the server20:23
skraynev_jdob: early thanks. I will do it only tomorrow ;)20:23
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randallburtjdob:  k, thanks for saving me digging20:24
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jdob:)20:24
randallburtjdob:  I'll also try and take a look later this afternoon20:24
jdobvery much appreciate it20:24
skraynev_pratikmallya: we just need to stop commit changes in rpc :)20:24
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skraynev_do we have anything else for discussion?20:25
randallburtskraynev_:  you joke but should we really bump rpc version for *every* change or just when releases are cut20:25
skraynev_Oh. I forgot. We released 0.9.0 version for heatclient20:25
prazumovskyhm... Another one20:25
randallburtskraynev_:  probably an old can of worms really20:25
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skraynev_randallburt: as I remember therve found some useful link in documentation20:26
prazumovskyShort notice: we have netgateway resource with property list of devices id, but have no gateway device resource20:26
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skraynev_where rules about updating rpc version were clearly described20:26
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prazumovskythink, this is should be implemented, cause it's little odd have resource which have links on other resource, which is not in heat20:27
skraynev_randallburt: I need to dig in log history and then find it, if you want ?20:27
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prazumovskyend notice:)20:28
skraynev_prazumovsky: not really, but it will be good to have this resource in heat :)20:28
randallburtskraynev_:  I have no patches that affect rpc, so nbd if we keep on like we are. I'll complain when I have to rebase a 1000 times :)20:28
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skraynev_prazumovsky: btw, as was mentioned above - use for this lite spec - as launchpad bug20:29
prazumovskyyeah, i thought about that20:29
skraynev_prazumovsky: As I remember ramishra posted patch with guidelines about it on review20:29
prazumovskywill be good practice:)20:29
prazumovskyskraynev_: ok20:30
skraynev_randallburt: I understand it, but if you have changes in some common file - it's expected result20:30
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skraynev_randallburt: we may add link on original doc to our developer guides. I think it will be useful20:31
jreeveshttp://osdir.com/ml/openstack-dev/2016-01/msg01323.html20:31
jdobya, i only really stumbled on it when i got a comment on my review about needing to bump it20:32
randallburtskraynev_:  sure20:32
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skraynev_#action skraynev ask therve to post link on guide with description of rpc version changes or do it himself20:32
skraynev_ok. that's all from my side20:32
skraynev_So all other questions -> #heat20:34
skraynev_thank you all ;)20:34
jdob\o20:34
skraynev_#endmeeting20:34
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notmynameswift team meeting time21:00
notmyname#startmeeting swift21:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Jan 27 21:00:05 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.21:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:00
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notmynameagenda is at21:00
notmyname#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift21:00
notmynamewho's here for the swift team meeting?21:00
hurricanerixo/21:00
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Zyric_hello21:00
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timburkezaitcev: broken arm?21:00
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notmynametimburke: salute, I think21:01
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timburkeoh, of course! a salute!21:01
claygo/21:01
onovyWith beer here21:01
notmynamewelcome everyone21:01
clayg^ why you never bring in beer for swift meeting in SF officE!?21:01
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notmynamenot a long agenda today, so we should be able to get through it quickly21:01
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notmyname#topic hackathon21:01
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notmynamefirst, touch base on the hackathon. anyone have any questions that need answered? everyone has their hotel and is working on flights (or already has them)?21:02
notmynameacoles: anything we need to be updated on?21:02
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acoleswe have >30 registered :)21:02
ho_awaywow21:03
zaitcevI'm going to take a bus from LHR and I'm a bit concerned if it's a bad idea. But we'll see.21:03
acolesif anyone has registered but is NOT able to come please let me know, I am starting to fret about space21:03
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mattoliverauIf I was drinking beer for this meeting, then I'd have a problem21:03
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kota_zaitcev: me too :-)21:03
acolesbut then I will fret about something whatever :)21:03
torgomatico/21:03
acolesthe hotel group rate is gone I'm afraid21:03
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joeljwrightmorning/afternoon/evening everyone21:04
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acoleswe have a nova midcycle on site this week so i am learning from their experience and we'll do better!21:04
onovymattoliverau: I had 3 beers and I'm fine :-)21:04
notmynameacoles: :-)21:05
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acolesif anyone has questions just ping me21:06
notmynameI'm looking forward to seeing everyone. thanks acoles for handling all the logistics21:06
acoles(about the hackathon that is. diskfile questions go to clayg) :P21:06
notmyname;-)21:06
notmyname#topic patches: auditor watches21:07
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mattoliverauacoles: oh the Nova one, 3 of my work mates are there.. there obviously the noisy Aussies.21:07
notmynamepatch 212824 patch 26883021:07
patchbotnotmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/212824/ - swift - Let developers/operators add watchers to object audit21:07
patchbotnotmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/268830/ - swift - Let developers/operators add watchers to account a...21:07
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notmynamethese two patches (from torgomatic and Zyric_) are getting some, but not many reviews21:07
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notmynamethe reasoning behind them is to help operators add functionality based on what's found on disks in the cluster21:08
torgomaticI have some feedback on mine from Tim Burke that I need to go address, but more is always appreciated21:08
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acolestorgomatic: sorry, did a week really pass by :( i'll try to get to it21:08
notmynameinterestingly, I talked to someone this week who's doing the elastic-search stuff in openstack who would like this account list functionality for their uses21:08
claygi would be *so* much more interested in adding features (ionice/watchers/whatever) to our auditors if they were better at their job - lp bug #118365621:08
openstackLaunchpad bug 1183656 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "object auditors don't finish" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/118365621:09
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notmynameclayg: thanks for bringing that up21:09
* clayg hears notmyname say "again" under his breath ;)21:10
notmynamewhat can we do to get progress on that?21:10
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onovySend review?21:10
claygidk, i'm obviously worried about it but haven't produced code - but I have to admit it is aboslutly blocking me from being interested in adding more stuff to that sub-system - maybe htat odesn't matter - someone else can review them21:11
claygTHEY DON'T FUCKING FINISH - why you wanna "do something to every object" - you don't know that you've hit every object - none of us do - grrrr....21:12
clayg:)21:12
onovy+1 for this21:12
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onovyBut it finish on small clusters right?21:12
claygonovy: depends how often you release code/push rings - but yeah - lots of stuff works better at reasonable scale21:13
notmynameonovy: generally yes. but that's part of what needs to be investigated21:13
claygnotmyname: nayway - this is probalby off topic - sorry for the rant - i'm not even sure if it's a big change or not21:13
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claygnotmyname: you were saying adding watchers?21:13
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notmynamebut it's important, like you said21:13
Zyric_I'd be interested into looking into it, but I don't think I have the knowledge or scale to do so I could always try.21:14
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notmynameand, like you mentioned int he comments there, this is the kind of stuff that gets lost in a backlog21:14
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notmynameZyric_: jump in! :-)21:14
torgomaticZBF auditors might finish21:15
torgomaticI mean, they are a lot faster than the full-file slow ones21:15
onovyI think this change is not too hard. Remember last position and continue from it21:16
claygtorgomatic: yeah ZBF is fast - you add the watcher to the ZBF?21:16
notmynameto summarize, we've got some patches that could make an improvement in quality of life for people, and we've got an old bug that seems very problematic. all of that needs looking at21:16
torgomaticclayg: yeah, both21:16
torgomaticsome message tells the watcher which one it's in, so it can do stuff or not21:16
claygoh, yeah someone might want the md5 and not wanna read it again - smart21:16
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notmynameonovy: it would be nice if you and Zyric_ could look into that bug. ask questions, of course. but see if you can get to the bottom of it21:16
torgomaticwatcher only gets the metadata anyway, so ZBF is as good as any21:16
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Zyric_Sweet. I can give that a go, it is a major blocker to my work and I don't have a lot to do in the meantime - happy to be helpful21:17
onovynotmyname: np, Marek can look into it21:17
notmynamelol @ manager ;-)21:17
* clayg considers that it's maybe not the bug - but my loud mouth that's the blocker :\21:17
onovy:-)21:18
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notmynameone other patch I wanted to mention..21:18
notmyname#patch 20241121:19
patchbotnotmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/202411/ - swift - Add functional test for access control (RBAC) with...21:19
notmynameacoles already has a +2 on it21:19
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notmynameho_away: anything to do on that besides get another review?21:19
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ho_awaynotmyname: i got a comment from kota_. i need to update some doc.21:20
notmynameok21:20
mattoliverauI'm finishing up looking at it, not that I'm a keystone expert or anything tho :)21:20
notmynameso maybe we have have it merged by the next meeting :-)21:20
acolesho_away: were the test meant to work at all with tempauth? or just skip?21:20
ho_awayacoles: skip21:20
claygho_away: did the keystone-swift-all-in-one PR get any more updates - or is it dead?21:21
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claygho_away: or do you have a fork or anything?21:21
ho_awayclayg: i still continue to update it21:21
ho_awayclayg: i will send PR to the repo in swiftstack later21:22
ho_awayclayg: yeah, i forked and updated on my repo.21:23
acoleswhile people are banging on their keystone setups, we have this review pending too https://review.openstack.org/26139521:23
acolespatch 26139521:23
patchbotacoles: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/261395/ - swift - Update parameters about authtoken middleware in pr...21:23
ho_awayacoles: i will review it21:24
acolesho_away: thanks21:25
notmynamenext up is from cbartz21:25
notmynamecbartz: are you around?21:25
cbartzyes21:25
notmyname#topic patch 19960721:25
patchbotnotmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/199607/ - swift-specs - tempurls with a container-level scope21:25
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notmynameI need to look at this one again21:26
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cbartzso, in principle, I just wanted to get some more feedback on this spec, as I think there has been a lot of interest21:26
notmynameglaning over the comments, mattoliverau seemed nearly ready to +2 it on the last patch set21:26
onovyWhat about ionice patch?21:27
mattoliverauI can't remember, I'll go back over it today21:27
joeljwrightreally interested in this spec, was just wondering if we can find a way to let it interact with SLO/DLO to allow for large object creation within the prefix...?21:27
notmynamecbartz: yeah, I remember it being a pretty interesting idea21:28
cbartzjoeljwright: why do you see a problem in the interaction with SLO/DLO ?21:28
joeljwrightthe tempurl middleware removes SLO query strings and DLO headers21:28
joeljwrightwould be really nice to allow them through in a sanitised 'only within the prefix' way21:29
claygnotmyname: I think i might want to take a stab at updating our specs template21:29
notmynamejoeljwright: intentionally or as a bug?21:29
joeljwrighttempurl intentionally removes them21:29
notmynameclayg: yeah, I want to have "Specs" as a topic at the hackathon. not here today21:29
joeljwrightto stop scope creep in what can be accessed21:30
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timburkeyou could configure the tempurl middleware to allow the DLO header, though, right?21:30
joeljwrightsee the bug fix here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/145394821:30
openstackLaunchpad bug 1453948 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "[OSSA 2015-016] all PUT tempurls leak existence via DLO manifest attack (CVE-2015-5223)" [Critical,Fix released]21:30
joeljwrightto allow this we need to modify SLO and DLO middleware to be prefix-aware21:31
joeljwrightwithout the leak fixed by the previous bug21:31
joeljwrightwe can't jus let it all through21:31
timburkeah, right...i'd forgotten about that...21:31
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joeljwrightI'm not really sure why SLO is disabled21:31
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joeljwrightbut it certainly is in kilo - the query strings are modified21:32
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joeljwrightother than that, I'm really keen to see this spec merged :)21:33
notmynamejoeljwright: good questions21:33
notmynamecbartz: will you have a chance to address those in the review comments or the spec itself?21:33
notmyname(one answer may be "no, thats complicated")21:33
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cbartznotmyname: I can give a try21:34
joeljwrightI'm happy to help if I can21:34
notmynamethanks21:35
cbartzI would have to take a look at the above mentioned bugfix. with the help of joeljwright we could advance in this topic21:35
claygnotmyname: ok this is great - I didn't even know the spec existed21:35
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cbartzbut actually I have also an organisational question....do we have to wait for the spec to be merged before starting to submit patches21:35
claygcbartz: I would encourage you to enumerate use-cases instead of problem description - they're related but different21:35
zaitcevit's possible to list outstanding specs with URL like this - https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/swift-specs,n,z21:36
claygcbartz: I'd be particularlly interested if you have a tool/application/work-flow that is really drving this change vs. "wouldn't it be neat if we could XYZ"21:36
claygeither is fine - but the first one is like *super* engaging21:36
acolesjoeljwright: cbartz there was also this related bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1449212 that it would probably be worth reviewing in this context21:36
openstackLaunchpad bug 1449212 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) kilo "Container level temp URLs can unintentionally leak data." [Undecided,Fix committed]21:36
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joeljwrightclayg: I can probably help with a use case21:36
claygjoeljwright is the man!21:37
claygcbartz: did someone answer the spec -> code question?21:37
notmynamecbartz: no, it's not required that a spec land before you start working on code. to clayg's point, the use case enumeration would probably help more people get excited about it, though21:37
claygcbartz: answer is no, feel free to push up a change to demonstrate the idea - maybe WIP it and link in the spec21:38
acoles+1 for a link to the spec in the code commit message21:38
torgomatic+1 to use cases; I like hearing about what concrete things people want so I can consider the problem better. developing some abstract capability isn't as interesting, personally.21:39
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notmynamecbartz: there you go :-)21:39
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cbartzok21:39
notmynameok, a couple of other general things21:40
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notmyname#topic other...21:40
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notmynamepatch 238799 has some reviews, but some good feedback from clayg. onovy looks like you said you were going to address the dependency?21:40
patchbotnotmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/238799/ - swift - Change schedule priority of daemon/server in config21:40
claygnotmyname: is it open?21:40
m_kazuhironotmyname: I have a topic.21:40
onovynotmyname: if there is consensus about it, Peter will fix it21:41
notmynamem_kazuhiro: yes. I wanted to bring that one up next21:41
m_kazuhirook21:41
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onovyso, everybody is fine with drop psutil deps and write own "set priority" code?21:41
claygonovy: it's quite possible i'm the only one thinking about psutil as large-ish liability for a tiny little c-wrapper21:41
notmynameonovy: less dependencies >>> more dependencies21:41
onovyclayg: i agree with you21:42
torgomaticsure; it's not the first use of ctypes we'll have21:42
onovynotmyname: yep21:42
notmynameok, great21:42
claygonovy: but I think I've come around to the idea we should have ionice in the auditors as a config option (so you know - that's *progress* - my mind isn't set in *stone* or anything)21:42
notmynamem_kazuhiro: wanted to bring up symlinks. what's going on with those?21:42
onovyclayg: code for have ionice/nice in wsgi is really simple, so what don't give ops this options?21:43
notmynameAFAIK, it's in the "good idea we should do it" stage. is there code yet?21:43
onovynotmyname: ok, can you write conclusion to review pls? drop psutil if it's not needed21:43
claygonovy: i'll have to work on a responose - it's possible my current thinking/logic is not sound21:43
claygonovy: offline?21:43
notmynameonovy: no. you don't need my permission there. the review comments stand :-)21:44
claygm_kazuhiro: you're working on symlinks?21:44
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claygI thought hamdi was working on symlinks?  Or eran or one of jrichli's people or something?21:44
m_kazuhiroI discuss symlink with hrou21:44
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onovyclayg: ok. i wrote something about container-server to review too, so if you can reply it will be fine21:44
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onovy(not now, later :)21:44
claygonovy: ;)21:45
m_kazuhirois hrou here?21:45
notmynamedoesn't look like it21:45
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jrichliI can ping him, if you like21:45
notmynamem_kazuhiro: are you asking about when you can expect it to be delivered?21:45
clayglol - who's working on it!?21:45
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onovyclayg: so. you are ok with: ionice in swift for auditor without psutil, right?21:46
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m_kazuhironotmyname: yes, and I have one suggestion21:46
acolesAFAIK hrou is working on symlinks21:46
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notmynamem_kazuhiro: there's no answer to "when" right now. there isn't any code21:46
notmynamem_kazuhiro: what's your suggestion?21:46
jrichliclayg acoles: agreed, hrou - and I think some others with him21:46
claygonovy: i'll update the review21:46
hrouhey guys I'm here now sorry about that !21:47
onovyclayg: perfect, thank you21:47
kota_m_kazuhiro: could you pastte the link of gerritt for symlink patch?21:47
notmynamehrou: no worries. the topic of symlink status was brought up21:47
m_kazuhiroI think there will be two versions of symlink.21:47
kota_m_kazuhiro: i think there is already...21:47
clayghrou: didn't you do a pad - that was like "everything is broken" - and I was like "its on fire" - and then like... what happened next?21:47
kota_unless i am dreaming.21:47
hrouYep I did !21:47
hrouSo where we left off was this21:47
hrouWe agreed that with post-as-copy that symlinks really can flow over the post to the target object and that's ideal21:48
hrouWhile its not great, its not great in the same way as a regular post (when using post-as-copy) can be "not great" ;)21:48
kota_hrou:!!21:48
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hrouSo kota_ is this what you mean by two variants, the existing code (just about) for post-as-copy21:48
hrouand than something else for fast-post (still working on this) ?21:48
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* notmyname really hopes we can kill post-as-copy21:49
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hroume too :)  and I think that's the long term plan, that's why I felt there may be some hesitation with the two phase approach21:49
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hrouAnd I'd understand that hesitation ;)21:49
hrouhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/232162/21:49
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hrouBut would love to discuss other thoughts behind that here ? :)21:50
acoleshrou: does two phase imply so we'd add a feature before knowing how to make work with fast-post?21:50
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hrouacoles, yes and hence I'm not sure I'm a big fan of it, but kota_ I assume that was what you were suggesting to get something out the door faster ?21:50
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hrouOr kota_ did you mean two different implementations ? i.e. post-as-copy, flows over to target, and fast-post does something else ? Though not sure that's a good idea either21:51
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kota_hrou: idk, m_kazuhiro is working mainly :/21:51
notmynameI need to close the meeting in a minute or two so I can go pick up my kids...21:52
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claygnotmyname: can you summarize?  post-as-copy is hard?  or fast-post is hard?  Do we know what behavior we *want* or we're crafting the api to what we think we can implement?21:52
hroukota_, lets continue the talk in the swift IRC channel ?21:52
claygoh :\21:52
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claygwell fuuu21:52
notmynameclayg: did you have something?21:52
kota_but tbh, i don't think we should *too* depends on fast-post spec.21:52
claygI wanted to ask if someone besides SwiftStack can look at IPv621:52
clayghttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/270991/21:52
notmyname+121:52
claygit's not *super* important i suppose if no one besides SwiftStack is *using* ipv621:53
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kota_should consider fast-post a bit :)21:53
claygI was acctually think it was more of an oppertunity for someone else in the community to lean a little bit about how to use/test it21:53
kota_hrou: sure21:53
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hrouthanks!21:53
claygoverall it ended up not being that big of an impact to support - the statd change was the last thing we needed to fix upstream21:53
claygwell - upstream *swift* that is - the whole world is dragging their feet21:54
onovyclayg: i will look21:54
timburkealso, i'd like some eyes on swiftclient: patch 259410, patch 265544, patch 26541721:54
patchbottimburke: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/259410/ - python-swiftclient - Support uploading to an object in swift from stdin...21:54
patchbottimburke: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/265544/ - python-swiftclient - Error with uploading large object includes unicode...21:54
claygso anyway - patch 270991 - has a bunch of my notes if you want to try and test ipv6 on your vm - get started early ramping up your inevitable adoption of the new world order!21:54
patchbottimburke: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/265417/ - python-swiftclient - _RetryBody doesn't need to take explicit etag/cont...21:54
patchbotclayg: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/270991/ - swift - Allow IPv6 addresses/hostnames in StatsD target21:54
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claygwooo it's a free for all!21:54
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acolesall my patches :)21:55
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notmynameheh21:55
timburkeacoles: hey, only one of those is mine :)21:55
claygyes look at acoles patches gd - they're all awsome!21:55
notmynameI need to run, so I'll close the meeting for whoever's in here next21:55
acolesseriously though, any more opinions on https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1487791 ? since jrichli has a patch to fix it one way21:55
openstackLaunchpad bug 1487791 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "POST to DLO squashes data without fast-POST" [Undecided,Confirmed]21:55
notmynamethanks everyone for coming today21:55
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acolestimburke: just kidding ;)21:55
claygtimburke: are any of those like old/trivial - I think the _RetryBody one I looked at once?21:55
notmyname#endmeeting21:55
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