| thinrichs | Time for the Congress meeting. | 00:00 |
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| thinrichs | #startmeeting CongressTeamMeeting | 00:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 7 00:00:42 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is thinrichs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:00 |
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| thinrichs | Since this is the first time back since the holidays, let's give people a couple of minutes | 00:01 |
| thinrichs | Who is here now? | 00:01 |
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| masahito | Hi | 00:02 |
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| thinrichs | masahito: hi | 00:02 |
| masahito | happy new year | 00:02 |
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| thinrichs | Happy New Year to you too! | 00:03 |
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| thinrichs | While we wait for others, want to chat about your Push driver? | 00:03 |
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| masahito | yap | 00:04 |
| thinrichs | I think you're right about PUT http://<ip>:<port>/data-sources/<ds-id>/tables/<table-id or name>/rows | 00:04 |
| thinrichs | instead of to …/tables | 00:05 |
| thinrichs | Could you expand on your comment about the oslo-messaging driver? | 00:06 |
| masahito | ok | 00:06 |
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| thinrichs | ekcs: hi! | 00:06 |
| thinrichs | ekcs: Happy New Year! | 00:06 |
| thinrichs | I should set this up as a topic before we get too deep into it. | 00:07 |
| thinrichs | #topic Push datasource driver | 00:07 |
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| ekcs | hny guys! | 00:07 |
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| masahito | ekcs: hi, happy new year! | 00:07 |
| thinrichs | ekcs: we are discussing masahito's new push datasource driver. | 00:08 |
| thinrichs | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/256303/ | 00:08 |
| ekcs | yup | 00:08 |
| thinrichs | We're discussing now where the web server that accepts the PUT requests should be running | 00:09 |
| thinrichs | Option 1 is for it to be our existing web server. | 00:09 |
| thinrichs | Option 2 is for the server to be running as part of the datasource itself | 00:10 |
| thinrichs | In the new distributed architecture, option 1 would have the existing API row model receive the request, and send an RPC call to the appropriate datasource. | 00:11 |
| masahito | IMO, using *http* protocol is one of implementation for push driver. So I think we'll implement a datasource which uses other protocol in the future. | 00:11 |
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| thinrichs | In option 2, the sender would send the data to the IP/port of the datasource directly. | 00:12 |
| thinrichs | masahito: it makes sense to think of http as 1 implementation. | 00:12 |
| thinrichs | And oslo-messaging would be another implementation. | 00:12 |
| masahito | I think using oslo-message matchs to OpenStack services. | 00:13 |
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| thinrichs | masahito: For http, it sounds odd that the data sender would target a different IP/port than all the other http API calls. | 00:14 |
| masahito | since they have a function named notification to send an event to somewhere. | 00:14 |
| thinrichs | masahito: But how would oslo-messaging work? How do we configure it? Would we configure each datasource to listen to it? | 00:14 |
| thinrichs | Does each datasource subscribe to certain topics on oslo-messaging? | 00:15 |
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| masahito | My idea is each datasource subscribes it to update table. | 00:17 |
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| masahito | of course, it depends on usecase. | 00:17 |
| masahito | This is another idea. | 00:17 |
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| pballand | hello - sorry I’m late | 00:17 |
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| thinrichs | pballand: Happy New Year! | 00:18 |
| pballand | thanks, you too! | 00:18 |
| thinrichs | pballand: we're discussing Masahito's Push datasource driver | 00:18 |
| thinrichs | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/256303/ | 00:18 |
| pballand | thinrichs: thanks, I caught up on eavesdrop | 00:18 |
| masahito | Monasca or other monitor services collects notifications by oslo-message and sends summary to datasource by http. | 00:18 |
| masahito | pballand: Happy New Year! | 00:18 |
| thinrichs | pballand: thanks for stopping me from rehashing | 00:18 |
| pballand | I think its fine for datasource drivers to accept updates through the API service, and/or directly | 00:18 |
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| pballand | when using HTTP, it’s probably easisest to leverage the existing API listener | 00:19 |
| pballand | for non-http, clearly a different service would need to bind to the port | 00:19 |
| pballand | that’s my two cents at least :) | 00:20 |
| thinrichs | pballand: agreed | 00:20 |
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| thinrichs | masahito: what do you think? | 00:21 |
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| pballand | to be clear, I’m not opposed to a datasource exposing its own http interface, but it seems like redundant work | 00:21 |
| masahito | pballand: agreed | 00:22 |
| thinrichs | pballand: what would be the benefit of having a separate http interface? | 00:22 |
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| thinrichs | skipping the rpc? | 00:22 |
| pballand | if the driver had specific requirements (e.g. long polling) that weren’t needed by the API service | 00:23 |
| pballand | (that may be a bad example, since long polling is a feature that could be useful) | 00:23 |
| ekcs | makes sense to me to have http go to central api process. so that every sender doesn’t need to track a bunch of ip’s which could change as processes go down and restart etc. | 00:23 |
| pballand | but the point is that a datasource may want non-standard semantics, and should be able to do so without breaking the rules | 00:24 |
| thinrichs | ekcs: I think that once we go to HA the issues with multiple IPs will be more obvious | 00:24 |
| pballand | ekcs: I agree that that would be ideal, I just don’t think it needs to be a requirement | 00:24 |
| thinrichs | pballand: in general that makes sense. Do we see a need for doing that right now for the Push driver? | 00:25 |
| thinrichs | where by "that" I mean having http servers running inside the datasources | 00:25 |
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| masahito | My concern is just it. If we implements other protocol the architecture looks strange. | 00:25 |
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| pballand | we could have a generic way to POST data to a service RPC | 00:26 |
| thinrichs | masahito: the arch is strange because pushing data over http goes through the usual API but pushing data through oslo.messaging (or whatever) goes through the datasource? | 00:26 |
| pballand | (that way the push driver doesn’t need to register additional API endpoints) | 00:27 |
| masahito | thinrichs: right | 00:27 |
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| pballand | hmm, that doesn’t seem strange to me :-) | 00:28 |
| masahito | pballand: API has a general way to update data sounds nice. | 00:28 |
| thinrichs | masahito: I agree with pballand. There are 2 very different mechanisms being used to push data into the system. It seems natural that they are implemented differently. | 00:28 |
| pballand | we could add a ‘message bus’ service that can push to multiple drivers just like the API service could | 00:29 |
| thinrichs | pballand: are you suggesting generalizing the idea that a PUT http://<ip>:<port>/data-sources/<ds-id>/tables/<table-id or name>/rows results in an RPC? | 00:29 |
| pballand | thinrichs: I was actually suggesting an alternative to that, but I’m fine with your suggestion as well | 00:30 |
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| thinrichs | Another option, more aligned with your suggestion would be to hang another action off of the services. | 00:31 |
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| pballand | I was suggesting something like POST http://<ip>:<port>/data-sources/<ds-id>/rpc?method=push_data | 00:31 |
| pballand | (where method could be anything, and it is up to the service to validate the rest of the call) | 00:31 |
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| thinrichs | I wonder if that's too close to building a generic messaging service for the Congress components, instead of exposing a single abstraction that gets implemented on top of a messaging service. | 00:32 |
| pballand | thinrichs: that’s a good point - suggests that your proposal makes more sense | 00:33 |
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| ekcs | in terms of HA, it may be helpful to not have *all* push datasource updates be interrupted because the api process goes down or is out of reach. | 00:34 |
| thinrichs | I'm in favor of just extending the API to enable PUT to a datasource's rows (for http) and have message-buses push data directly to datasources. | 00:35 |
| pballand | thinrichs: sounds good to me | 00:35 |
| pballand | ekcs: if you are concerned with that, you could launch multiple API services, or go so far as to launch an API service for every datasource... | 00:35 |
| thinrichs | masahito: what do you think? | 00:36 |
| ekcs | just seems that we’re making a functionality that is conceptually distinct from the api depend on the api service. I don’t have a strong opinion either way but pointing it out. | 00:37 |
| masahito | I also think extending existing the API has much good points now. | 00:38 |
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| thinrichs | sounds good. Let's move ahead with that. | 00:39 |
| thinrichs | And let's move ahead with the meeting. | 00:39 |
| thinrichs | Couple of quick things before the dist arch... | 00:39 |
| masahito | for HA, choosing datasource or API is not matter. but for sender it's easy to send data for API. | 00:39 |
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| thinrichs | #topic Reminders | 00:39 |
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| thinrichs | We have a mid-cycle sprint later this month. | 00:40 |
| thinrichs | Agenda is here.. | 00:40 |
| thinrichs | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints/CongressMitakaSprint | 00:40 |
| thinrichs | Call for speakers for Austin is available. | 00:40 |
| thinrichs | Talks (max of 3 per person) are due Feb 3 | 00:40 |
| thinrichs | https://www.openstack.org/summit-login/login?BackURL=/summit/austin-2016/call-for-speakers/ | 00:41 |
| thinrichs | I'm happy to talk with anyone who wants to submit something. | 00:41 |
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| thinrichs | Final reminder: we are now gating on python3, thanks in large part to ekcs | 00:41 |
| thinrichs | So if your submission isn't python3 compliant, it won't pass tests | 00:42 |
| thinrichs | #topic distributed architecture | 00:43 |
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| thinrichs | pballand: it's early in the new year; any progress yet? | 00:43 |
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| pballand | I was out for much of the hoiday, still working toward next week’s deadline | 00:44 |
| thinrichs | sounds good. Let us know if we can help | 00:44 |
| pballand | I’m hitting some bumps where oslo.messaging is rejecting messages based on version (even though the version seems right) - will post to IRC and/or mailing list if I can’t get it working by tomorrow | 00:44 |
| thinrichs | Sounds like the right thing. | 00:45 |
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| thinrichs | Thought that would take a bit longer. | 00:47 |
| thinrichs | Let's open it up for discussion then. | 00:47 |
| thinrichs | #topic open discussion | 00:47 |
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| thinrichs | If there's nothing else, one thing to bounce off everyone is the agenda for the mid-cycle sprint | 00:49 |
| thinrichs | On the wiki page, we have 3 topics (one for each of the 3 days): | 00:49 |
| thinrichs | That was supposed to be a ) :, not a sad face. | 00:49 |
| thinrichs | (1) sprint to implement the first draft of the distributed architecture designed during the Liberty cycle, | 00:49 |
| thinrichs | (2) design a high-availability, high-throughput deployment of the distributed architecture | 00:49 |
| thinrichs | (3) discuss using Monasca as a robust way of injecting aggregated time-series data into Congress | 00:49 |
| thinrichs | How does that sound? | 00:50 |
| thinrichs | I haven't heard from fabiog whether (3) is happening. | 00:50 |
| thinrichs | At some point he mentioned maybe moving (3) to the front. | 00:50 |
| pballand | sounds good to me | 00:50 |
| ekcs | great. | 00:51 |
| masahito | sounds good. | 00:51 |
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| thinrichs | It still sounds good to me too. | 00:51 |
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| thinrichs | Is there any sort of preparation we/I should do? | 00:52 |
| thinrichs | I should probably email out to the ML to make sure everyone who wants to attend knows about it. | 00:53 |
| thinrichs | I think I did that already, but we had more attendees at the last one than were regular on IRC. | 00:53 |
| thinrichs | Go ahead and fill out the eventbrite if you haven't. In case fabiog needs a headcount for food/etc. | 00:54 |
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| thinrichs | If there's nothing else, let's call that the end of the meeting. | 00:54 |
| ekcs | we’d hopefully be working on (1) already and have a good grip on the issues so that during the session we try to finalize. | 00:54 |
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| thinrichs | ekcs: Agreed. | 00:54 |
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| thinrichs | If there's nothing else, Thanks all! | 00:55 |
| masahito | thanks, bye | 00:56 |
| thinrichs | #endmeeting | 00:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 7 00:56:10 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 00:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2016/congressteammeeting.2016-01-07-00.00.html | 00:56 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2016/congressteammeeting.2016-01-07-00.00.txt | 00:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2016/congressteammeeting.2016-01-07-00.00.log.html | 00:56 |
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| Daisy | who is around for i18n meeting ? | 06:00 |
| katomo | Hi | 06:00 |
| Daisy | Hi, katomo | 06:00 |
| ianychoi | Hi Daisy and katomo ! | 06:00 |
| Daisy | Hi, ianychoi | 06:00 |
| Daisy | Let's start | 06:01 |
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| Daisy | #startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting | 06:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 7 06:01:03 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Daisy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 06:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 06:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting' | 06:01 |
| katomo | ianychoi: hi | 06:01 |
| Daisy | Welcome, katomo and ianychoi | 06:01 |
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| ianychoi | hello :) | 06:01 |
| Daisy | #topic Glossary management process discussion | 06:01 |
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| Daisy | We have spent a long time to discuss the glossary translation. | 06:02 |
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| Daisy | There are three options: store glossary in pot, store glossary in RST and store glossary in YAML. | 06:02 |
| katomo | :9 | 06:02 |
| Daisy | There is no perfect solutions. | 06:02 |
| Daisy | I think, we could select one and have the glossary on-line as soon as possible. When we think it cannot satisfy us, we improve them later. | 06:03 |
| Daisy | The advantage of pot solution is : easy to synchronize with Zanata server, and support to use Zanata editor to translate. | 06:05 |
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| Daisy | The advantage of RST solution is: easily integrated with document, read friendly. | 06:06 |
| Daisy | the advantage of YAML is: support the comments (notes) of glossary | 06:06 |
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| Daisy | The disadvantage of YAML is: cannot use Zanata editor to translate. | 06:07 |
| Daisy | so which one do you prefer ? | 06:07 |
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| katomo | can we manage comment with RST? | 06:08 |
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| Daisy | not easily, have to code. | 06:08 |
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| ianychoi | Thank you for your clarification. Then how about using YAML with pipelining Jenkins job (YAML->pot) ? | 06:09 |
| katomo | we cannot put just stub? | 06:10 |
| katomo | TERM | 06:10 |
| katomo | DESC | 06:10 |
| katomo | STUB for each LANG | 06:10 |
| katomo | ? | 06:10 |
| katomo | each lang team translate "STUB for each LANG" as Zanata | 06:10 |
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| Daisy | ianychoi: As amotoki explained, he thinks context is very important. Translating with Zanata editor could not keep the context and could not keep the discussing history. | 06:11 |
| Daisy | katomo: what is stub ? | 06:11 |
| Daisy | ianychoi: a context could be regarded as the explain of a terminology. | 06:12 |
| katomo | Daisy: sorry, i meant "dummy strings" for translation. i.e. language specific contents. | 06:12 |
| katomo | i think context is very important, too | 06:14 |
| Daisy | katomo: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/258924/ | 06:14 |
| ianychoi | Hmm.. seems to be difficult. YAML with rst location data (e.g., ": ../source/terminology.rst:3") will not make lose context data I think. | 06:14 |
| Daisy | this is the solution I proposed. It's a RST solution. The terminology.rst is a sample of glossary in RST format. | 06:15 |
| katomo | Daisy: thanks | 06:15 |
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| Daisy | With Sphinx tool, if we convert terminology.rst into pot, we could only keep the terms, the explaination (context) will be ignored. But the context could be reviewed from the HTML page. | 06:16 |
| Daisy | This is the YAML based solution : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/261767/ | 06:17 |
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| Daisy | Do you think we could accept to translate glossary with your text editor and upload translations into gerrit and discuss within Gerrit too ? | 06:18 |
| katomo | Daisy: Just a simple question. Do you want to maintain the own tools for glossary management? | 06:18 |
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| jftalta | Hi all | 06:19 |
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| Daisy | Frankly speaking, I would like to keep a terminology list in our repo, but I don't want to maintain our own translation tool. | 06:19 |
| ianychoi | hello, jftalta | 06:19 |
| Daisy | I think the glossary translation tool should be supported as a part of Zanata. | 06:19 |
| katomo | Hi jftalta | 06:20 |
| Daisy | Hi, jftalta . Welcome. | 06:20 |
| katomo | Daisy: okay. I need a little more time. | 06:20 |
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| Daisy | ok. | 06:20 |
| katomo | I'm not sure as of now. My concern for Gerrit is each language coordinator can not controll their contents timely. | 06:20 |
| aeng | What format file glosary is using? | 06:20 |
| jftalta | Sorry for hé delay. It's early un France and I'm having breakfast... | 06:21 |
| katomo | Needless to say, we can add all language coorinator as core. but I think it is not appropriate... | 06:21 |
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| Daisy | We have to convert glossary into pot, finally. because Zanata only support pot format and csv format. We are discussing which format to use now: rst, pot, yaml. | 06:21 |
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| Daisy | OK. We don't waste time here. Let's keep on the discussion on ML. Firstly, we clarify the requirement, and then we think about the solution. | 06:23 |
| jftalta | @daisy : I'm sorry but i've got to get ready to go to office. Just want to say that I'm thé french team coordinatrice. | 06:23 |
| Daisy | Great ! | 06:23 |
| Daisy | welcome, jftalta . | 06:23 |
| jftalta | Sorry, coordinator | 06:23 |
| ianychoi | I think yaml could be useful if we want to import pot to Zanata, but I think mostly it will not be needed. | 06:23 |
| jftalta | Thanks Daisy :) | 06:24 |
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| Daisy | You could go to office then. We have meeting in the third Thursday every month at 1300UTC. You may attend that one. | 06:24 |
| jftalta | Maxime Coquerel and Safouen Benhadj will help. | 06:24 |
| Daisy | Great. Thank you, jftalta . | 06:24 |
| ianychoi | Nice to meet you, jftalta! I am a Korean team translator. | 06:25 |
| katomo | fjtalta: welcome :) again | 06:25 |
| jftalta | Hi ianychoi. Nice to meet you. | 06:25 |
| Daisy | So action item is to clarify the requirements and set priorities. and we discuss the solutions on ML. | 06:26 |
| jftalta | Hi Katomo | 06:26 |
| ianychoi | +1, Daisy | 06:26 |
| jftalta | I have to leave you. See you on next meeting. | 06:26 |
| ianychoi | See you :) | 06:26 |
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| katomo | okay | 06:27 |
| Daisy | See you, jftalta | 06:27 |
| Daisy | Next topic | 06:27 |
| katomo | see you | 06:27 |
| Daisy | #topic state of progress: stackalytics integration | 06:27 |
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| Daisy | I'm sorry to say I'm lost on the progress too. I failed to connect with Ilya for a long time. | 06:28 |
| aeng | from Zanata, we've completed contributor's list | 06:28 |
| aeng | next will be the review stats | 06:28 |
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| katomo | great | 06:29 |
| Daisy | I think, it may be not polite, but if I still cannot connect with Ilya, we may consider to change a owner. | 06:29 |
| ianychoi | wow, great Zanata :) | 06:29 |
| katomo | hmmm | 06:29 |
| Daisy | aeng: thank you for the update. Which version support contributor's list ? | 06:29 |
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| aeng | upcoming release, 3.9.X | 06:30 |
| Daisy | when ? | 06:30 |
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| aeng | well.. we just release 3.8 recently | 06:30 |
| aeng | probably 2-3 months | 06:30 |
| katomo | T_T | 06:30 |
| Daisy | oh. Are you able to support the review stats in a same release ? | 06:30 |
| Daisy | the question is to aeng. | 06:31 |
| aeng | should be able to | 06:31 |
| aeng | targeting this or next sprint | 06:31 |
| aeng | but should be in 3.9 | 06:31 |
| Daisy | Because we may bother infra guys to upgrade when Zanata is ready. I think it will be great if we only need 1 upgrade. | 06:31 |
| Daisy | so aeng, please put these two features in 1 release. So we don't need to upgrade twice. | 06:32 |
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| aeng | :) | 06:32 |
| aeng | +1 | 06:32 |
| katomo | nice | 06:32 |
| ianychoi | Thanks! :) | 06:33 |
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| Daisy | Who knows when is next summit ? In April or in May ? | 06:33 |
| ianychoi | the last weekdays on April | 06:33 |
| Qiming | http://docs.openstack.org/releases/schedules/mitaka.html | 06:33 |
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| Daisy | ok. Thank you, Qiming and ianychoi | 06:33 |
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| Daisy | Not sure if we could catch next summit. | 06:34 |
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| Daisy | so I will continue to ping Ilya and see his status. I will update with ML. | 06:35 |
| katomo | thanks | 06:35 |
| Daisy | Next topic | 06:35 |
| ianychoi | okay | 06:35 |
| Daisy | #topic state of progress: dashboard translation check site | 06:35 |
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| Daisy | I got a intern from HP, Elizabeth's team, who would like to help. | 06:36 |
| Daisy | It's great. So we have two people working together on this task. | 06:36 |
| katomo | wow | 06:36 |
| ianychoi | wow nice..! | 06:37 |
| Daisy | The intern will help on the OpenStack setup , and I will work on the part to set up Zanata setup and pull translations daily. | 06:37 |
| Daisy | I'm studying the infrastructure scripts to set up Zanata now. | 06:38 |
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| Daisy | Next meeting, hope I could invite that intern join us and we could have some progress report. | 06:38 |
| aeng | wow! | 06:39 |
| Daisy | any questions here ? | 06:39 |
| Daisy | When do we need the website ready ? | 06:39 |
| Daisy | the deadline ? | 06:39 |
| katomo | when we start dashboard translation, i think | 06:40 |
| Daisy | I would set on the end of Feb. | 06:40 |
| katomo | good timing | 06:41 |
| Daisy | Soft freeze is Feb 29-4 | 06:41 |
| ianychoi | +1 | 06:41 |
| katomo | yes | 06:41 |
| Daisy | ok. | 06:41 |
| Daisy | Next topic | 06:41 |
| Daisy | #topic state of progress: install guide translation | 06:42 |
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| Daisy | I see Japanese and Chinese team have finished the translations. | 06:42 |
| Daisy | Korean team have good progress. | 06:42 |
| Daisy | ianychoi: don't forget we have to translate common too. | 06:42 |
| Daisy | common is a part of installation guide. | 06:43 |
| ianychoi | Thanks. me and ujuc are discussing it for install-guide translation including common-rst. | 06:43 |
| Daisy | Thank you, ianychoi . I see you have finished the translation of install-guide. | 06:43 |
| ianychoi | My question is that what would be a good timing to set out translation as draft on docs.openstack.org? | 06:44 |
| ianychoi | s/out/our/ | 06:44 |
| Daisy | good question. | 06:44 |
| Daisy | katomo: any thoughts ? | 06:44 |
| Daisy | My question is what we need to do to publish the installation guide ? | 06:44 |
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| katomo | when roughly reviewed | 06:45 |
| ianychoi | Okay, got it thanks :) | 06:45 |
| katomo | as far as japanese team. you can pushlish you own timing. | 06:45 |
| Daisy | ok. | 06:46 |
| katomo | *publish | 06:46 |
| Daisy | Thank you, katomo | 06:46 |
| ianychoi | And one more question: terms:`bula` in install-guide references to common-rst. | 06:46 |
| ianychoi | Am I understanding right? | 06:46 |
| katomo | yes | 06:46 |
| katomo | glossary (RST) is included in "common-rst" | 06:47 |
| ianychoi | Okay.. I think Korean team should review the consistency between install-guide and common-rst. Thanks, katomo ! | 06:47 |
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| Daisy | ok. Let's move to open discussion. | 06:48 |
| Daisy | #topic open discussion | 06:48 |
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| Daisy | I'd like to update something related with Austin summit. | 06:49 |
| Daisy | It's time to book meeting times for Austin summit. | 06:49 |
| Daisy | We will need a half day contributors' meet up. I don't know how many meeting time slots we need in Austin summit. | 06:49 |
| Daisy | I don't have discuss topics in my mind. | 06:50 |
| Daisy | If you have, please email me. | 06:50 |
| Daisy | I don't know how many meeting time slots we need in Austin summit, besides a half day contributors meet up. I don't have specific topics in my mind now. If you have, you could email me. | 06:50 |
| aeng | stakalitics topic? | 06:51 |
| aeng | and glossary perhaps? | 06:51 |
| katomo | good idea | 06:51 |
| Daisy | good suggestion, aeng | 06:51 |
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| ianychoi | nice idea | 06:52 |
| aeng | good to follow up and see what we missing still or needed | 06:52 |
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| aeng | alright, got to go now. Thanks everyone | 06:52 |
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| Daisy | I don't hear anything new about the summit pass criteria. If I get, I will let you know. | 06:54 |
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| Daisy | anything else to discuss today ? | 06:55 |
| katomo | none from me | 06:55 |
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| ianychoi | nope from me | 06:56 |
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| Daisy | Thank you for attending. | 06:56 |
| Daisy | I will close the meeting then. | 06:56 |
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| ianychoi | Thanks all! :) | 06:56 |
| katomo | thanks | 06:56 |
| Daisy | #endmeeting | 06:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 7 06:56:55 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 06:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2016/openstack_i18n_meeting.2016-01-07-06.01.html | 06:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2016/openstack_i18n_meeting.2016-01-07-06.01.txt | 06:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2016/openstack_i18n_meeting.2016-01-07-06.01.log.html | 06:57 |
| katomo | Daisy, ianychoi | 06:57 |
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| jordanP | we want meeting ! :) | 09:04 |
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| mkoderer_cloud | jordanP: happy new year | 09:04 |
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| jordanP | mkoderer_cloud, thanks ! you too :) | 09:04 |
| mkoderer_cloud | jordanP: am I acutally not sure whos the host today | 09:05 |
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| dmellado | lol | 09:06 |
| dmellado | hi guys xd | 09:06 |
| mkoderer_cloud | let just start the meeting | 09:06 |
| dmellado | I was wondering if it was cancelled today | 09:06 |
| mkoderer_cloud | dmellado: I remeber a mail from mtreinish saying that this will be the first one | 09:06 |
| jordanP | "Sorry, as http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-January/083397.html | 09:06 |
| jordanP | the next meeting should be scheduled at 1700 UTC, not 0900 UTC." | 09:06 |
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| dmellado | ouch | 09:06 |
| jordanP | I guess it's tonigh then | 09:06 |
| dmellado | didn't read that | 09:07 |
| dmellado | xD | 09:07 |
| mkoderer_cloud | damn | 09:07 |
| jordanP | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-January/083397.html | 09:07 |
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| jordanP | let's all relax and have a coffee then ! | 09:07 |
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| dmellado | lol | 09:07 |
| dmellado | jordanP: mkoderer_cloud could you review this in any case? Thanks in advance! | 09:08 |
| dmellado | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/259746/ | 09:08 |
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| gordc | #startmeeting telemetry | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 7 15:00:24 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gordc. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: telemetry)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'telemetry' | 15:00 |
| llu-laptop | o/ | 15:00 |
| ildikov | o/ | 15:00 |
| sileht | \o | 15:00 |
| zqfan | hi | 15:00 |
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| liusheng | o/ | 15:00 |
| ildikov | Happy New Year! :) | 15:00 |
| gordc | hey cool. people are back from holidays | 15:01 |
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| llu-laptop | happy 2016 | 15:01 |
| gordc | happy new years. | 15:01 |
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| _nadya_ | o/ | 15:01 |
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| pradk | o/ | 15:01 |
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| gordc | ok let's start this. | 15:02 |
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| cdent | oh, hey, hi | 15:02 |
| gordc | #topic roadmap items (new/old/blockers) https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Telemetry/RoadMap | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roadmap items (new/old/blockers) https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Telemetry/RoadMap (Meeting topic: telemetry)" | 15:02 | |
| gordc | typed in wrong window | 15:02 |
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| gordc | just for reference, the m-2 milestone will be in about 1.5 weeks | 15:03 |
| _nadya_ | gordc: is it still ok to merge specs? | 15:04 |
| gordc | i think we have most things covered (except if someone wants to start looking at polling cache) | 15:04 |
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| gordc | _nadya_: yep, we're pretty relaxed on that. after m-2 we'll start being a lot more critical on whether something can make it in on time | 15:04 |
| ildikov | m-3 is end of Febr, so it should be ok | 15:05 |
| gordc | _nadya_: your caching item is probablysomething big so that should close sooner rather than later | 15:05 |
| _nadya_ | gordc: ok, cool. I'm investigating caching now, so will take a look at polling. Especially if it relates to "improve instance metering" | 15:05 |
| gordc | _nadya_: sure. please sync with liusheng on that. | 15:06 |
| _nadya_ | gordc: ok! | 15:06 |
| gordc | i'm going to assume rally tests are not in scope for mitaka | 15:06 |
| gordc | we dont really have a name tied to that. | 15:06 |
| liusheng | will keep eyes on it ;) | 15:06 |
| gordc | just an fyi, i've merged the initial structure for aodhclient | 15:07 |
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| gordc | https://github.com/openstack/python-aodhclient | 15:08 |
| gordc | i have a topic later to discuss what syntax we want | 15:08 |
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| gordc | liusheng: are we still on schedule for composite alarms? | 15:08 |
| liusheng | gordc: I am working on it | 15:09 |
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| gordc | liusheng: cool cool. | 15:10 |
| liusheng | gordc: will complete the bp in few days | 15:10 |
| sileht | gordc, I have still work on keystonev3 and aodh | 15:10 |
| sileht | gordc, and found a bug in ceilometerclient | 15:10 |
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| gordc | sileht: yeah i saw that, you think it needs to be ported to aodhclient? | 15:11 |
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| sileht | gordc, no it's on the redirection code from ceilometer to aodh | 15:11 |
| gordc | ah cool cool | 15:11 |
| liusheng | gordc: fyi, there is a change about alarm dashboard intergration, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/215569/ | 15:12 |
| sileht | Also my oslo.messaging batching code is ready | 15:12 |
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| liusheng | gordc: should we think about aodhclient ? | 15:12 |
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| _nadya_ | gordc: btw, we did some ceilometer-related stuff for Rally, let me find links... #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:sample_generator_batching | 15:12 |
| gordc | liusheng: cool, i was just giong to say i need to follow up on that | 15:12 |
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| _nadya_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/244007 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/243841/ | 15:12 |
| sileht | (but gate is failing for bug unrelated to my chagne) | 15:13 |
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| gordc | _nadya_: are you using sileht's batching code? | 15:13 |
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| _nadya_ | gordc: not sure. is sileht's code in Rally or in Ceilo? | 15:14 |
| gordc | sileht: that's great. can't wait to get that in. | 15:14 |
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| gordc | _nadya_: it's not in yet. | 15:14 |
| llu-laptop | _nadya_: glad to see that | 15:14 |
| gordc | sileht: we can create misleading charts to show how much better it is ;) | 15:14 |
| _nadya_ | and one more #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/237754/ | 15:15 |
| sileht | gordc, yeah good news thx _nadya_ | 15:15 |
| gordc | 300% faster sound like a good number? | 15:15 |
| sileht | lol | 15:15 |
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| gordc | as long as we don't explain how we got numbers ;) | 15:15 |
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| gordc | _nadya_: do you know if ityaptin is still looking at componentisation? | 15:16 |
| gordc | (not really important but i thought i'd ask) | 15:16 |
| _nadya_ | gordc: no, we decided that it's better to do improving instead of refactoring | 15:17 |
| gordc | _nadya_: agreed | 15:17 |
| _nadya_ | gordc: will abandon the spec | 15:17 |
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| gordc | kk, let's take a look at it next cycle (and finalise 'what to do with ceilometer api') | 15:17 |
| _nadya_ | yep | 15:17 |
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| gordc | #action remember to create item for austin summit re: ceilometer api | 15:18 |
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| ildikov | my favourite topic :) | 15:18 |
| gordc | i guess last item is the poc for multiple definition files... | 15:19 |
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| gordc | pradk: any work there? | 15:19 |
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| pradk | gordc, havent looked much into that part yet.. i know someone had a patch to support loading files from a dir | 15:19 |
| gordc | yeah peristeri | 15:19 |
| peristeri | Hey gordc | 15:20 |
| pradk | gordc, yea | 15:20 |
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| gordc | peristeri: you still looking at that multiple file loading stuff? | 15:20 |
| pradk | gordc, i think the biggest part ogf that is to get input from other projects on if they are willing to own and maintain the files | 15:21 |
| pradk | peristeri, is your stuff merged yet? | 15:21 |
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| ildikov | pradk: regarding willingness I would not hope much | 15:21 |
| peristeri | gordc, yes, I was tied up with some internal stuff. I should have the time to finish it today/tomorrow. | 15:21 |
| pradk | gordc, i can look into kicking off an email thread and see what people say | 15:21 |
| gordc | pradk: there was a thread a few months back. | 15:21 |
| gordc | they probably wont' maintain it. | 15:21 |
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| gordc | but i think it's probably more consumable if we split the files regardless. | 15:22 |
| ildikov | gordc: I think I remember that one | 15:22 |
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| pradk | gordc, yea agree with that | 15:22 |
| ildikov | gordc: +1 | 15:22 |
| gordc | ildikov: yeah, i don't think anyone wants to actually own anything... we're all too good at the art of deferring. | 15:22 |
| pradk | gordc, i'll look into that in conjuntion with peristeri's patch for M3 perhaps | 15:23 |
| ildikov | smaller files would be great, better structure, I hope | 15:23 |
| gordc | pradk: | 15:23 |
| gordc | cool cool | 15:23 |
| ildikov | gordc: yeah, I know :( | 15:23 |
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| gordc | let's switch to aodhclient and run through other projects. | 15:24 |
| gordc | oh wait midcycle. | 15:24 |
| gordc | #topic virtual midcycle? | 15:24 |
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| gordc | do we want one? we have any pressing items to discuss? | 15:25 |
| gordc | or does everyone have a work item that they are content with? | 15:25 |
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| _nadya_ | I have two: transformers and metadata caching. But we can discuss it in ML or irc, as you wish :) | 15:26 |
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| pradk | i'm ok with skipping unless we really have stuff to go over for couple of days.. | 15:26 |
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| gordc | kk. let's just push on virtual midcycle then. | 15:27 |
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| gordc | i don't see many spcs to discuss | 15:28 |
| gordc | _nadya_: feel free to push the topics to ML. | 15:28 |
| _nadya_ | ok | 15:28 |
| gordc | (might be faster than waiting for a midcycle anyways) | 15:28 |
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| _nadya_ | maybe I'll start here if we have time :) | 15:28 |
| gordc | if anything comes up that we feel like will be debateable we can setup a hangout session and announce on list | 15:29 |
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| gordc | _nadya_: sure. let's do aodhclient first (it'll probably be short | 15:29 |
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| gordc | #topic how to represent gnocchi alarms in client | 15:29 |
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| gordc | for reference, i've added https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263887/3/aodhclient/shell.py | 15:30 |
| gordc | basic alarm CRUD commands | 15:30 |
| gordc | similar to ceilometercilent | 15:30 |
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| liusheng | do we have a plan about aodhclient release ? | 15:30 |
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| gordc | only diff is i added alarm search which actually points to complex alarm api | 15:30 |
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| gordc | liusheng: yep, i think we just need the basic ceilometerclient features ported first | 15:31 |
| liusheng | gordc: agree | 15:31 |
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| gordc | i think the questions i have is for alarm history are we ok with: | 15:31 |
| gordc | aodh alarm-histroy show | 15:31 |
| gordc | aodh alarm-history search | 15:31 |
| pradk | gordc, so whats the deprecation like, we still have alarm cli in ceilometer for Mitaka? or will we remove it in favor of aodhclient | 15:31 |
| gordc | ignore spelling | 15:31 |
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| gordc | pradk: i will probably change all the ceilometerclient alarm calls to aodhclient (if i can) | 15:32 |
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| gordc | but ceilometerclienet alarming functionality won't be removed (if ever, since i'm not porting everything and it's different syntax) | 15:33 |
| llu-laptop | I think we already redirect the alarm api calls in ceilometerclient to aodh, right? | 15:33 |
| gordc | llu-laptop: yep | 15:33 |
| ildikov | I'm ok with the proposal | 15:33 |
| gordc | ildikov: cool cool | 15:33 |
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| gordc | oh also, i was thinking of *leaving out* combination alarm support from aodhclient | 15:33 |
| gordc | considering we want people to use composite alarm (when it is added) | 15:34 |
| gordc | ^ another reason for keeping ceilometerclient alarming code | 15:35 |
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| liusheng | gordc: :) | 15:35 |
| llu-laptop | gordc: in that case, we should state clearly in release notes of aodhclient | 15:35 |
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| ildikov | llu-laptop: +1 | 15:35 |
| gordc | llu-laptop: that it doesn't support combination alarms? | 15:35 |
| ildikov | also the admin guide needs to be checked once the new client is ready to fly | 15:36 |
| llu-laptop | gordc: yep, and don't misguide people to think aodhclient is the alarm part of ceilometerclient | 15:36 |
| gordc | ildikov: yep | 15:36 |
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| liusheng | llu-laptop: yes, agree, | 15:36 |
| llu-laptop | to avoid confusion and futher explanations | 15:36 |
| gordc | llu-laptop: cool cool. yeah. i'm ok to have a direct port, i just didn't feel like porting something that we will deprecated | 15:36 |
| ildikov | gordc: I couldn't get the install guide section in still, the packages are not ready as much as I saw not long ago :( | 15:37 |
| llu-laptop | gordc: agreed | 15:37 |
| gordc | ildikov: *sigh* | 15:37 |
| ildikov | gordc: I know, a big one :( | 15:37 |
| gordc | ildikov: should we just make it for fedora and leave ubuntu/suse out? | 15:38 |
| gordc | or does suse have correct packages? | 15:38 |
| ildikov | I can try to push for the first patch of the doc and have the Suse part later, when it's ready, but I didn't get answer regarding the Ubuntu package bug still | 15:38 |
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| ildikov | gordc: last time they didn't have, so I split the original patch and have the Suse part in WIP | 15:38 |
| ildikov | gordc: also added a workaround to the Ubuntu part | 15:39 |
| ildikov | will ping the docco guys to check at least that one | 15:39 |
| gordc | workaround == use debian? :) | 15:39 |
| gordc | ildikov: sounds good | 15:39 |
| ildikov | although that's for Mitaka, hey don't backport parts | 15:39 |
| ildikov | gordc: lol :) | 15:39 |
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| gordc | oh. i had one last item for client. how do we want to describe gnocchi alarm? | 15:40 |
| ildikov | ok, side track ended, sorry :) | 15:40 |
| gordc | ^ jd__, sileht | 15:40 |
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| ildikov | in what sense do we mean describe here? | 15:40 |
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| gordc | "aodh gnocchi-alarm *" or just reuse "aodh alarm *" and add type | 15:41 |
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| ildikov | ah, ok, the command name | 15:41 |
| gordc | and whatever other additional params are required | 15:41 |
| llu-laptop | speaking of that, I have the same question about event alarm | 15:41 |
| ildikov | my vote would be on the second option or smth like | 15:42 |
| gordc | llu-laptop: that too | 15:42 |
| llu-laptop | we're planning to add new types of event alarm | 15:42 |
| liusheng | the alarm-gnocchi-* commands are too long :( | 15:42 |
| gordc | i guess it's related | 15:42 |
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| llu-laptop | so aodh event-alarm or aodh alarm -t <type> | 15:42 |
| jd__ | o/ | 15:42 |
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| gordc | llu-laptop: i guess both event alarm and gnocchi alarm are in same boat.. and same as composite | 15:43 |
| gordc | seems like i should try to support a 'type' param and just let people use aodh alarm * -type blah | 15:43 |
| llu-laptop | I saw a potential stevedore use case here :) | 15:43 |
| jd__ | I think alarm --type would be better | 15:43 |
| liusheng | +1 | 15:43 |
| jd__ | 'cause it's likely more easy to extend, or less weird | 15:43 |
| ildikov | yeah, more generic | 15:43 |
| llu-laptop | +1 for -t | 15:44 |
| ildikov | jd__: +1 | 15:44 |
| gordc | kk. makes sense to me. will work on that. | 15:44 |
| zqfan | +1 for -t | 15:44 |
| gordc | will raise if i run into any blocker | 15:44 |
| gordc | that's all for me. let's move on to ceilometer topics if any? | 15:45 |
| gordc | #topic ceilometer topics | 15:45 |
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| gordc | anything? | 15:45 |
| liusheng | WSME deprecation ? | 15:46 |
| llu-laptop | sorry, one more question about aodhclient, | 15:46 |
| Qiming | +1000 for -t | 15:46 |
| gordc | liusheng: i don't know if we have a resource but if we do go for it. | 15:46 |
| gordc | llu-laptop: sure | 15:46 |
| llu-laptop | i'm gonna give some presentation to some customers next week, should I encourage them to use aodhclient now? | 15:47 |
| llu-laptop | or ask them to wait to mitaka release? | 15:47 |
| gordc | llu-laptop: i'm not really done yet. but i guess for mitaka they should use it (i should have it all good by then) | 15:47 |
| gordc | llu-laptop: oh yeah, let's say aodhclient is for mitaka only | 15:47 |
| llu-laptop | gordc: got that | 15:47 |
| gordc | anything earlier is "use at own risk" | 15:48 |
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| gordc | anything for ceilometer? | 15:48 |
| llu-laptop | liusheng: please go on | 15:48 |
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| gordc | if someone can review my doc spec, that'd be great: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/242216/ | 15:49 |
| gordc | let's go gnocchi | 15:49 |
| gordc | #topic gnocchi topics | 15:49 |
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| gordc | jd__: we targeting something big for last half of cycle? | 15:50 |
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| jd__ | just the split of archive | 15:50 |
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| jd__ | s | 15:50 |
| gordc | cool cool | 15:50 |
| gordc | if i have time i'll look at tagging support | 15:50 |
| jd__ | sheeprine has something on that | 15:51 |
| gordc | i have random thoughts but nothing on paper | 15:51 |
| gordc | oh cool | 15:51 |
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| gordc | i'll wait and see then | 15:51 |
| jd__ | but if you have some thoughts, please share :) | 15:51 |
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| gordc | i'll keep an eye and unleash manifesto when i finish client | 15:51 |
| gordc | open discussion? | 15:52 |
| gordc | #topic open discussion | 15:52 |
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| _nadya_ | I'd like to share some test results with you | 15:52 |
| gordc | sure | 15:52 |
| _nadya_ | I had 3 notification agents and coordination enabled | 15:53 |
| _nadya_ | Test description: | 15:53 |
| _nadya_ | 30 000 samples with cpu metric was sent in total | 15:53 |
| _nadya_ | 1000 resources was used and samples were sent in batches 1000 samples each. Each batch contained all resources, it means that all samples in a batch belonged to different resources. | 15:53 |
| _nadya_ | Also, cpu for each resource is increasing by 20 each time. | 15:53 |
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| _nadya_ | Ideally, cpu.delta should be 20 for all resources | 15:53 |
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| _nadya_ | try to take a look here https://www.dropbox.com/s/r5ik5l89gb0c5vq/transformers.png?dl=0 | 15:54 |
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| _nadya_ | is it accessible? | 15:55 |
| llu-laptop | sorry, dropbox is also banned in PRC | 15:55 |
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| _nadya_ | oh(( | 15:55 |
| gordc | _nadya_: what is the y access? | 15:55 |
| _nadya_ | llu-laptop: what can I use instead? | 15:55 |
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| gordc | llu-laptop: picture a rectangle with a diagonal line from bottom left to top right :) | 15:56 |
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| _nadya_ | yep :) it's to make it clear what data was send | 15:56 |
| llu-laptop | _nadya_: don't bother, I'll try to find a way to access it through company VPN tomorrow when I in office | 15:56 |
| _nadya_ | gordc: y is metric value | 15:57 |
| llu-laptop | I don't know if liusheng can access that :) | 15:57 |
| _nadya_ | so the plot below should be a line with y=20 | 15:57 |
| liusheng | llu-laptop: no | 15:57 |
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| liusheng | llu-laptop: apparently :( | 15:57 |
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| _nadya_ | but you see that we have 320, it means that we lost 16 samples during transformation | 15:58 |
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| _nadya_ | and one more picture https://www.dropbox.com/s/oen9c7hdwxmxt5k/redis_vs_rabbit.png?dl=0 | 15:58 |
| _nadya_ | the plot below with 3 notification agents but with Redis for caching . It's better, but still can't get "20" line | 15:59 |
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| gordc | _nadya_: want to carry this on in #openstack-telemetry (i have a feeling someone is going to yell at exactly 1600) | 16:00 |
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| gordc | ok. let's switch | 16:00 |
| _nadya_ | gordc: ok | 16:00 |
| gordc | thanks everyone | 16:00 |
| gordc | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 7 16:00:24 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telemetry/2016/telemetry.2016-01-07-15.00.html | 16:00 |
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| mtreinish | #startmeeting qa | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 7 17:00:42 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mtreinish. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 17:00 |
| dpaterson | o/ | 17:01 |
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| mtreinish | hi who's here for today? | 17:01 |
| dpaterson | o/ | 17:01 |
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| mtreinish | dpaterson: heh, well it might be a quick meeting :) | 17:01 |
| dpaterson | dumb question | 17:01 |
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| dpaterson | 1700 isn't 1:00 EDT? | 17:02 |
| persia | It is, but EST applies at this time of year. | 17:02 |
| persia | (technically, 13:00 EDT) | 17:02 |
| mtreinish | it's 1:00 EDT but we're in standard time right now | 17:02 |
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| mtreinish | yeah what persia said :) | 17:03 |
| dpaterson | said it was dumb question :) | 17:03 |
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| mtreinish | andreaf, sdague, dtroyer, afazekas, jordanP: around? | 17:03 |
| mtreinish | ok, well lets go through the agenda maybe more people will pop up later | 17:04 |
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| mtreinish | #topic QA Code Sprint | 17:04 |
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| mtreinish | I just wanted to mention on a meeting that we announced the QA midcycle code sprint yesterday | 17:05 |
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| mtreinish | all the details are on: | 17:05 |
| mtreinish | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/QA/CodeSprintMitakaBoston | 17:05 |
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| mtreinish | I just wanted to mention it on the meeting too | 17:06 |
| mtreinish | does anyone have anything on this topic? | 17:06 |
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| mtreinish | ok, then lets move on | 17:07 |
| mtreinish | #topic Spec Reviews | 17:07 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/qa-specs,n,z | 17:07 |
| mtreinish | it looks like there are still a couple of specs undergoing review | 17:07 |
| mtreinish | does anyone want to discuss any of them? | 17:08 |
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| mtreinish | mkoderer: has a pretty simple one here: https://review.openstack.org/259934 | 17:08 |
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| mtreinish | well I guess there's nothing else to discuss here... :) | 17:09 |
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| mtreinish | #topic Priority Items | 17:10 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-qa-priorities | 17:10 |
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| mtreinish | we're approaching m2 and there are a few items targetting m2 on the etherpad | 17:10 |
| mtreinish | does anyone want to talk about one of those? | 17:10 |
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| mtreinish | I think lets just change the format for today | 17:12 |
| mtreinish | dpaterson: was there anything you wanted to discuss today? | 17:12 |
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| dpaterson | I've got a couple of tweaks to my existing cli patches which will happen today | 17:13 |
| mtreinish | dpaterson: ok cool, I'll keep an eye out for those | 17:13 |
| dpaterson | Then I was planning on focusing on run implementation | 17:13 |
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| mtreinish | dpaterson: ok, dwalleck said he was working on a spec for that | 17:14 |
| mtreinish | I'm not sure the current status there though | 17:14 |
| dpaterson | I will circle back with him | 17:14 |
| mtreinish | cool | 17:14 |
| dpaterson | I believe he is attending sprint as well | 17:14 |
| mtreinish | yeah, looks like he put his name on the wiki | 17:14 |
| mtreinish | but we don't want to wait until the sprint to start on it :) | 17:15 |
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| dpaterson | indeed | 17:15 |
| mtreinish | cdent: is there a topic (or topics) you wanted to talk about today? | 17:16 |
| mtreinish | cdent: it's just you, dpaterson, and me today | 17:16 |
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| mtreinish | well, I guess lets move on to critical reviews | 17:18 |
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| mtreinish | #topic Critical Reviews | 17:18 |
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| mtreinish | does anyone have any reviews they'd like to get extra eyes on? | 17:18 |
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| mtreinish | oomichi put this on the agenda: | 17:19 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/257660/ | 17:19 |
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| mtreinish | any other reviews today? | 17:20 |
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| cdent | I have no topics for today, just showing my face. | 17:21 |
| mtreinish | cdent: heh, ok no worries | 17:21 |
| mtreinish | well I guess let's move to open discussion | 17:22 |
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| mtreinish | #topic Open Discussion | 17:22 |
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| mtreinish | does anyone have any topics they'd like to discuss today | 17:22 |
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| mtreinish | now is your opportunity to bring it up | 17:22 |
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| mtreinish | heh, well I guess everyone is still in vacation mode today | 17:24 |
| mtreinish | If there's nothing else I guess we'll end here | 17:25 |
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| mtreinish | ok, I'm gonna call it | 17:25 |
| mtreinish | thanks everyone | 17:25 |
| mtreinish | #endmeeting | 17:26 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 7 17:26:00 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:26 |
| dpaterson | sure | 17:26 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2016/qa.2016-01-07-17.00.html | 17:26 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2016/qa.2016-01-07-17.00.txt | 17:26 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2016/qa.2016-01-07-17.00.log.html | 17:26 |
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| andreaf | upz it's over already | 17:44 |
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| daneyon_ | #startmeeting container-networking | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 7 18:01:37 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is daneyon_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'container_networking' | 18:01 |
| daneyon_ | Agenda | 18:01 |
| daneyon_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda | 18:01 |
| daneyon_ | i'll give everyone a few minutes to review the agenda. | 18:02 |
| daneyon_ | #topic roll call | 18:02 |
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| dane_leblanc_ | o/ | 18:02 |
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| Tango | o/ | 18:02 |
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| daneyon_ | Thank you dane_leblanc_ Tango for joining. | 18:03 |
| dane_leblanc_ | daneyon: The agenda link is for containers, not container networking? | 18:03 |
| daneyon_ | you will need to scroll down to hit the subteam agenda | 18:04 |
| dane_leblanc_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Container_Networking_Subteam_Meeting | 18:04 |
| daneyon_ | that's it, thx | 18:04 |
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| daneyon_ | #topic Flannel host-gw patch | 18:05 |
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| daneyon_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241866/ | 18:05 |
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| Tango | So I got to spend some more time on this in December before the break | 18:06 |
| daneyon_ | Tango have you been able to spend any time on this patch? | 18:06 |
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| daneyon_ | how is it coming along? | 18:06 |
| Tango | I debugged and found the problem: an extra route on the local host causing the response to be trapped | 18:06 |
| Tango | So the work around is to delete these extra route, and everything works very well | 18:07 |
| Tango | I notified Angus, he is looking into replicating the problem to fix the code | 18:07 |
| daneyon_ | so basicly each flanneld host creates a route to other flanneld hosts for the flannel subnet that sits behind the host, correct? | 18:07 |
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| Tango | Yes, there is one route in the routing table for each other flannel host | 18:08 |
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| Tango | this allows the packet to reach the target host without encapsulation | 18:08 |
| daneyon_ | right | 18:08 |
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| Tango | The performance looks very good: on a 10 GBits/sec network, I am getting 6 GBits/sec | 18:08 |
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| Tango | with hostgw | 18:08 |
| daneyon_ | so this adding routes to the other flannel subnets with the next-hop of each flannel host would be expected. | 18:09 |
| daneyon_ | is the route you;re reffering to some other route that is being added? | 18:09 |
| daneyon_ | nice! | 18:09 |
| Tango | For vxlan, I get 1.7 Gbits/sec | 18:09 |
| dane_leblanc_ | Wow, significant difference | 18:09 |
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| daneyon_ | i would expect a big difference | 18:09 |
| Tango | And for udp, it's pretty bad: 0.385 GBits/sec | 18:09 |
| dane_leblanc_ | Is this for packets of 500 bytes or so? | 18:10 |
| Tango | So this does answer the cost of encapsulation | 18:10 |
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| hongbin | o/ | 18:10 |
| Tango | The MTU is set at 1500 | 18:10 |
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| Tango | I use iperf3 to run the test | 18:10 |
| daneyon_ | i think the flannel vxlan will be a much better option when magnum has support for ironic hosts and the cloud provider has vxlan hw in the ironic hosts | 18:10 |
| eghobo | Tango: we got the same numbers at our infra ;) | 18:10 |
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| daneyon_ | hi hongbin thanks for joining | 18:11 |
| Tango | eghobo: great, coorelation | 18:11 |
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| daneyon_ | eghobo for vxlan, hostgw mode or both? | 18:11 |
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| eghobo | udp, vxlan | 18:12 |
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| Tango | So I am picking up the patch that Angus started, with the work around for now until the bug is fixed in Flannel | 18:12 |
| daneyon_ | Tango could you push the latest patch set so others can test drive? | 18:12 |
| eghobo | i need OpenStack changes for hostgw, but no changes allow during holidays | 18:13 |
| Tango | yep, working on that right now, should have it shortly | 18:13 |
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| dane_leblanc_ | Tango: the bug description lists the host-gw option as unconditional. Should the description be changed to what's listed as option (2)? | 18:13 |
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| Tango | I will change the option so that the user can specify any option: udp, vxlan, hostgw | 18:14 |
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| daneyon_ | Tango +1 re dane_leblanc_ updating the commit message to state option 2 | 18:14 |
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| dane_leblanc_ | Tango: Sounds great. | 18:14 |
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| daneyon_ | Tango I am still confused on the extra route issue | 18:14 |
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| daneyon_ | I understand how hostgw mode works, what was the problem with the routes being added? | 18:15 |
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| Tango | So there is one route for every other flannel host: if there are n hosts, you would see n-1 route in the table | 18:15 |
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| Tango | The problem is that there is one route for the local host itself, which is not needed and not correct | 18:15 |
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| daneyon_ | right, these routes are how the flannel host selects the correct hop to send packets. | 18:15 |
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| Tango | so the number of route is n routes instead of n-1 | 18:16 |
| daneyon_ | ah | 18:16 |
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| daneyon_ | i see now | 18:16 |
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| Tango | The local route confuses the response packet | 18:16 |
| daneyon_ | so, that must be an issue when using hostgw in a standalone setup too | 18:16 |
| Tango | probably | 18:17 |
| daneyon_ | is their an issue that has been created in upstream flannel? If not, I think it's a good idea to create one and add a link to it in the review | 18:17 |
| daneyon_ | Tango thanks for pushing through the issue | 18:18 |
| Tango | One question I want check with everyone is, what should the default backend option be: udp, vxlan, or hostgw | 18:18 |
| daneyon_ | I think the hostgw option will make a lot of magnum users :-) | 18:18 |
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| hongbin | Yes, if it works | 18:19 |
| daneyon_ | I say leave the default as-is | 18:19 |
| Tango | Angus was suggesting hostgw since it's the best, but this assumes all the nodes are on the same L2 network | 18:19 |
| Tango | later when we add more advanced networking, it may break | 18:19 |
| daneyon_ | when the changes bake for a while and we get feedback, we can then change the default | 18:19 |
| Tango | udp is the most general | 18:19 |
| daneyon_ | and hostygw is a good solution for a small-med size cluster... not for large though | 18:20 |
| Tango | true | 18:20 |
| Tango | so maybe we leave the default as udp, and in the user guide, give guidance on what to use | 18:20 |
| dane_leblanc_ | host-gw would eventually be a good option when we get Kuryr integrated, right? | 18:20 |
| daneyon_ | and when M supports ironic nodes and a cloud provider has vxlan hw, I would expect to see vxlan be a solid option for balancing scale and perf | 18:20 |
| Tango | dane_leblanc_: maybe not, since kuryr would allow connecting between different networks | 18:21 |
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| daneyon_ | dane_leblanc_ kuryr would be a completely different network-driver with it's own options | 18:21 |
| dane_leblanc_ | daneyon: I see. | 18:22 |
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| daneyon_ | or kuryr would fall under the libnetwork driver and pass a label to specify which libnetwork driver (kuryr,calico,weave, etc.) to use | 18:22 |
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| daneyon_ | eg --network-droiver=libnetwork, --label=libnetwork-driver=kuryr or --label=libnetwork-driver=overlay etc.. | 18:23 |
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| daneyon_ | s/droiver/driver | 18:24 |
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| daneyon_ | #action Tango to update https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241866/ to include wip patch set and updated commit msg to indicate option 2 | 18:25 |
| daneyon_ | any other discussion about the hostgw patch? | 18:25 |
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| daneyon_ | #topic Review Action Items | 18:25 |
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| daneyon_ | ACTION: danehans to address the 2-daemon approach on the kube irc and provide add'l info through Magnum ML | 18:26 |
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| daneyon_ | I sent an msg to the ML before the holiday break. | 18:26 |
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| daneyon_ | Brendan Burns from kube said containerizing etcd, flannel and kube services were out of documentation and support convenience. | 18:27 |
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| Tango | Do they recommend this approach? | 18:28 |
| daneyon_ | ATM i think it's still best to run flannel and etcd on the host instead of a container. The 2 docker daemon solution overcomplicates things. | 18:28 |
| hongbin | +1 | 18:28 |
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| hongbin | It is not the common practice in CoreOS as well | 18:28 |
| daneyon_ | Tango they don;t recommend it or recommend against it. They are taking a Switzerland approach ;-) | 18:29 |
| daneyon_ | I think it's up to us to make the call | 18:29 |
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| Tango | ok, I guess the reason we were thinking doing this is to simplify things, so if it's more complicated, then maybe not | 18:29 |
| daneyon_ | However, if we don't containwrize flannel, we need to update the flannel pkg in our images so vxlan works again | 18:30 |
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| hongbin | daneyon_: I think Tango built a new image already? | 18:30 |
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| Tango | So I have been working on using diskimagebuilder to build new images | 18:30 |
| daneyon_ | oh, good | 18:31 |
| daneyon_ | any details you can share Tango on your DIB progress? | 18:31 |
| Tango | I uploaded a new one: fedora-21-7.qcow2 | 18:31 |
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| Tango | This has k8s 1.1, docker 1.9.1, flannel 0.5.5 | 18:31 |
| daneyon_ | is this still an atomic image or simply f21? | 18:31 |
| Tango | The image is fedora only without atomic | 18:32 |
| Tango | f21 | 18:32 |
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| daneyon_ | ok | 18:32 |
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| Tango | I skip atomic to make it easier to work with, you can run apt-get install | 18:32 |
| daneyon_ | how is it coming along making it an "official" image? | 18:32 |
| daneyon_ | yeah, atomic is a PITA | 18:32 |
| dane_leblanc_ | Yay for apt-get | 18:33 |
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| Tango | Since we move to k8s 1.1, we need more testing on the API | 18:33 |
| daneyon_ | i think we still need to support a micro os, but I would like that to be coreos and forget atomic | 18:33 |
| hongbin | simply because the heat templates are developed from a guy from Redhat :) | 18:33 |
| hongbin | at the very beginning | 18:33 |
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| daneyon_ | not a pressing need, but something more long-term | 18:33 |
| daneyon_ | as long as we have at least 1 OS that is well supported by Magnum and is easy to use, maintaine, etc.. | 18:34 |
| hongbin | CoreOS is almost ready | 18:34 |
| hongbin | I have patches that are under review | 18:34 |
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| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/magnum+branch:master+topic:bp/coreos-k8s-bay | 18:34 |
| daneyon_ | hongbin right on. larsks did a great job, now we need to continue tailoring the templates to meet our needs. | 18:35 |
| daneyon_ | nice hongbin | 18:35 |
| hongbin | daneyon_: agreed | 18:35 |
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| hongbin | I am all for moving away from Atomic | 18:35 |
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| Tango | Good to hear agreement on atomic | 18:35 |
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| daneyon_ | Tango can you post a link to the f21 image so we have it recorded? | 18:36 |
| eghobo | hongbin: +1 but I still think we need Ubuntu as well | 18:36 |
| Tango | https://fedorapeople.org/groups/magnum/fedora-21-7.qcow2 | 18:36 |
| daneyon_ | #link https://fedorapeople.org/groups/magnum/fedora-21-7.qcow2 | 18:36 |
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| daneyon_ | Tango thanks | 18:36 |
| hongbin | eghobo: want a BP for ubuntu? | 18:37 |
| daneyon_ | eghobo I am all for supporting Ubuntu or any other add'l distro as long as it's well supported by the community | 18:37 |
| daneyon_ | the matrix of support can get out of hand | 18:37 |
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| eghobo | hongbin: I think BP is exists, Tango? | 18:38 |
| Tango | I am setting up DIB to choose fedora, ubuntu, and I guess coreOS now that we are close to getting it working | 18:38 |
| daneyon_ | i would much rather have a solid solution on 1 distro than breakage on multiple distros | 18:38 |
| dane_leblanc_ | What image should be used as default for upstream gate testing? Whatever is smallest? | 18:38 |
| Tango | +1, but we do have to show user how to create their own image | 18:39 |
| hongbin | dane_leblanc_: The gate is using Atomic | 18:39 |
| Tango | dane_leblanc_: I am also trying to get one of the mininal image to work, either fedora or ubunu | 18:39 |
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| Tango | this would solve the size problem | 18:40 |
| daneyon_ | yeah, i think f21 minimal is key to the gate | 18:40 |
| daneyon_ | otherwise it's a pretty big image | 18:40 |
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| daneyon_ | #topic Future Meetings | 18:41 |
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| daneyon_ | I know we discussed this topic briefly before the holiday break | 18:41 |
| daneyon_ | Unless the group disagrees, I think we can move our discussions back to the general magnum meetings. | 18:42 |
| daneyon_ | If the group would like to continue the sub team, I would like to ask someone to chair the meetings. | 18:42 |
| daneyon_ | thoughts? | 18:43 |
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| hongbin | daneyon_: you are not available to chair this meeting? | 18:43 |
| daneyon_ | hongbin I'm divided | 18:43 |
| hongbin | np from me to move it back if you want | 18:44 |
| dane_leblanc_ | daneyon: I would agree with moving back to using just the container meeting. Doesn't seem to be too much network-specific stuff to discuss | 18:44 |
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| daneyon_ | I am being pulled into a few different directions and I don;t feel i have the necessary time to lead the sub team | 18:44 |
| Tango | Sounds reasonable, we can resume if there is not enough time in the general meeting | 18:44 |
| daneyon_ | OK | 18:45 |
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| daneyon_ | The I will consider that an agreement and let Adrian know that we are moving our discussion back to the general meeting. | 18:45 |
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| daneyon_ | I think these meetings have been helpful over the last 6 months. | 18:46 |
| daneyon_ | I appreciate everyone's involvement in magnum networking. | 18:46 |
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| Tango | Seems like we have an agreement, and Adrian can kick us back out if we take too much time in the general meeting | 18:46 |
| daneyon_ | we are headed in the right direction. | 18:47 |
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| daneyon_ | If we can get the hostgw patch merged and add a few network-drivers, then I will be very :-) | 18:47 |
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| Tango | I do want to mention an observation that we may want to keep an eye on | 18:48 |
| daneyon_ | #agreed Move the subteam meeting back to the general magnum meeting #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Weekly_Containers_Team_Meeting | 18:48 |
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| daneyon_ | Tango go ahead | 18:48 |
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| Tango | There seems to be divergence between the Docker community and Kubernetes community with regard to networking | 18:48 |
| daneyon_ | agreed | 18:48 |
| Tango | This would complicate things for Magnum | 18:49 |
| daneyon_ | one of the reasons why i chose --network-driver instead of --libnetwork-driver | 18:49 |
| Tango | although it does give Magnum a chance to be agnostic and give user choices | 18:49 |
| Tango | I not sure how things will shake out, but at the moment it's very confusing | 18:49 |
| daneyon_ | i feel that I was prepared for the goog<>docker war between networking. | 18:50 |
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| Tango | kuryr seems to lean toward docker libnetwork for now | 18:51 |
| daneyon_ | for example contiv is a container networking solution that has support for kube and docker libnetwork | 18:51 |
| daneyon_ | i believe calico too | 18:51 |
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| daneyon_ | when using --network-driver=calico with a k8s bay type, the M templates will need to make sure the correct DIR's, bins, config files, etc.. are orchestrated | 18:52 |
| daneyon_ | the same when using --network-driver=calico with a swarm bay type | 18:52 |
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| Tango | anyway, a lot of activities on networking ahead | 18:53 |
| daneyon_ | in genreal, as we add drivers we will see a lot more heat templates or conditions in the jinja/heat conditional support templates | 18:53 |
| daneyon_ | we need to get conditional logic in heat templates or implement the jinja layer that was discussed at the last mid cycle | 18:54 |
| daneyon_ | I believe Rob Pothier is working with the Heat community to add conditional support | 18:54 |
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| Tango | daneyon_: Is there a BP yet on adding kuryr as a driver? | 18:54 |
| daneyon_ | IMO this will be huge for Magnum to support a minimal # of templates | 18:54 |
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| daneyon_ | not that i know of Tango | 18:54 |
| daneyon_ | the last we discussed, one of 2 things needed to happen | 18:55 |
| daneyon_ | 1. Magnum add support for ironic hosts | 18:55 |
| daneyon_ | 2. kuryr add support for nested VM's | 18:55 |
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| daneyon_ | as we discussed in the past, I would expect someone fomr the K team to take the lead on adding the K driver to M | 18:56 |
| daneyon_ | Same goes with any other driver that gets added. | 18:56 |
| daneyon_ | If support lags in the future for a particular driver, then it gets pulled | 18:56 |
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| daneyon_ | and M only includes drivers that are actively maintained | 18:56 |
| daneyon_ | otherwise we go down the same path and pain of our distro support | 18:57 |
| hongbin | sounds good | 18:57 |
| daneyon_ | we have just a few mins left | 18:57 |
| daneyon_ | #topic Open Discussion | 18:57 |
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| daneyon_ | any open discssion? | 18:57 |
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| daneyon_ | quick? | 18:57 |
| daneyon_ | :-) | 18:57 |
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| daneyon_ | Otherwise I'll send a msg to Adrian and the mailer that the sub team is merging back to the general community. | 18:58 |
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| daneyon_ | I'll take that as no open discussion | 18:59 |
| daneyon_ | thanks again for everyone's support!!! | 18:59 |
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| Tango | Thanks daneyon_ for hosting | 18:59 |
| daneyon_ | and Happy New Year | 18:59 |
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| daneyon_ | yw | 18:59 |
| dane_leblanc_ | Happy New Year! | 18:59 |
| daneyon_ | take care everyone and have a great day. | 18:59 |
| daneyon_ | #endmeeting | 18:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 7 18:59:56 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/container_networking/2016/container_networking.2016-01-07-18.01.html | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/container_networking/2016/container_networking.2016-01-07-18.01.txt | 19:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/container_networking/2016/container_networking.2016-01-07-18.01.log.html | 19:00 |
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| mriedem | #startmeeting nova | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 7 21:00:44 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mriedem. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 21:00 |
| tonyb | o/ | 21:00 |
| claudiub | o/ | 21:00 |
| alaski | o/ | 21:00 |
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| cburgess | o/ | 21:00 |
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| cdent | o/ | 21:01 |
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| dansmith | o/ | 21:01 |
| rlrossit | o/ | 21:01 |
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| mriedem | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova | 21:01 |
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| russellb | o/ | 21:01 |
| edleafe | \o | 21:01 |
| macsz | \\//, | 21:01 |
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| scottda | hi | 21:01 |
| auggy | o/~ | 21:01 |
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| mriedem | there are a few things so let's get started | 21:01 |
| mriedem | #topic release status | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "release status (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:01 | |
| sdague | o/ | 21:01 |
| mriedem | Jan 21: Nova non-priority feature freeze | 21:01 |
| mriedem | Jan 19-21: mitaka-2 | 21:01 |
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| bauzas | \o | 21:02 |
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| mriedem | so 2 weeks | 21:02 |
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| mriedem | any questions about that? | 21:02 |
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| mriedem | #topic regular reminders | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "regular reminders (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:02 | |
| mriedem | review priorities are here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-priorities-tracking | 21:02 |
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| mriedem | #link review priorities https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-priorities-tracking | 21:02 |
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| mriedem | #topic bugs | 21:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:03 | |
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| mriedem | gate has been okish except for the py34 job | 21:03 |
| mriedem | super flaky with mox lately | 21:03 |
| mriedem | hence an effort to cleanup mox usage in tests | 21:03 |
| mriedem | starting with https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/remove-mox | 21:03 |
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| mriedem | #link remove-mox cleanup https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/remove-mox | 21:03 |
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| mriedem | aside from that, we've been trying to keep on top of known racy py34 failures with the blacklist in tree | 21:04 |
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| bauzas | that's a large story | 21:04 |
| mriedem | in here | 21:04 |
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| mriedem | https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/tests-py3.txt | 21:04 |
| sdague | yeh, I'd like to turn some of the fakes into real fixtures during the process. But if we can hack away at known races with mox3 it might help. | 21:04 |
| mriedem | yeah, so the first step is an easy one, which is replacing self.stubs.Set with self.stub_out | 21:04 |
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| mriedem | which uses fixtures | 21:04 |
| mriedem | else let's blacklist known bad things to stop any bleeding | 21:05 |
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| sdague | right, it's super straight forward, it's just a lot of patches | 21:05 |
| bauzas | can I actually ask why we shouldn't put non-voting py34 until the series merges ? | 21:05 |
| sdague | bauzas: so... 2017? | 21:05 |
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| bauzas | I dunno | 21:05 |
| mriedem | it came up | 21:05 |
| bauzas | but it seems we're hitting more races now | 21:05 |
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| dansmith | sdague: wasn't that originally your desire? to make it non-voting? | 21:05 |
| sdague | git grep 'self.stubs.Set' | wc -l | 21:05 |
| sdague | 2003 | 21:05 |
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| sdague | dansmith: take it off the gate | 21:06 |
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| dansmith | so only voting on check you mean? | 21:06 |
| sdague | yes | 21:06 |
| dansmith | okay | 21:06 |
| bauzas | that sounds fair | 21:06 |
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| sdague | except, that might be tricky because of the way the job def is | 21:06 |
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| mriedem | it's part of a group isn't it? | 21:06 |
| mriedem | like python-jobs? | 21:06 |
| sdague | yeh | 21:06 |
| bauzas | oh | 21:06 |
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| sdague | anyway, lets see if transition off mox helps | 21:07 |
| mriedem | you'd have to not use the group i'd thing | 21:07 |
| mriedem | yeah, i think the fake image stub thing will help a bit | 21:07 |
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| mriedem | since it's global and pervasive | 21:07 |
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| mriedem | it's what the vmware api tests were choking on in the gate all week | 21:07 |
| mriedem | moving on | 21:07 |
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| mriedem | third party ci status | 21:07 |
| mriedem | i haven't really been paying attention lately honestly | 21:08 |
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| mriedem | #link 3rd party ci status http://ci-watch.tintri.com/project?project=nova&time=7+days | 21:08 |
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| mriedem | ok | 21:08 |
| mriedem | onto critical bugs | 21:08 |
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| mriedem | #topic critical bugs | 21:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "critical bugs (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:08 | |
| mriedem | there is a series for a security bug that starts here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/264812/ | 21:08 |
| mriedem | #link security bug fix starts here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/264812/ | 21:08 |
| mriedem | the first patch has a +@ | 21:09 |
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| mriedem | *+2 | 21:09 |
| mriedem | and there are backports proposed to stable/liberty and kilo already, | 21:09 |
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| mriedem | but since it's a 3-patch series per branch, i want to make sure master is good before we take them into stable | 21:09 |
| mriedem | any other critical bugs to bring up? | 21:09 |
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| mriedem | moving on | 21:10 |
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| sdague | that wasn't reviewed before going public? | 21:10 |
| mriedem | probably | 21:10 |
| sdague | typically those don't go public until they have both +2s good to go | 21:10 |
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| mriedem | i didn't know how much we just rubber stamp those | 21:10 |
| dansmith | I believe it was, but it still gets normal review in gerrit | 21:10 |
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| dansmith | I was told that the disclosure has to have code available, and code in gerrit == available | 21:10 |
| dansmith | not in a build or anything | 21:10 |
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| dansmith | we wait until it has high confidence of being the right solution before disclosure, which is why we pre-review | 21:11 |
| tonyb | It'd be great to get them but blocking for good reassons is fine. | 21:11 |
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| sdague | ok, when I was part of these in the past we didn't move to gerrit until the approvals were lined up | 21:11 |
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| dansmith | sdague: sure, but that doesn't mean slam them in with no other eyes | 21:11 |
| dansmith | that's all | 21:11 |
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| sdague | ok | 21:11 |
| tjones | mriedem: is the fake image stub thing the same as changing self.set.Stubs to stub_out or is it something else? | 21:12 |
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| mriedem | tjones: same | 21:12 |
| mriedem | the patch is already approved | 21:12 |
| tjones | gracias | 21:12 |
| mriedem | like 10 min ago though | 21:12 |
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| mriedem | any more on that security bug? | 21:12 |
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| mriedem | markus_z had a request for volunteers to be on bug duty https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/BugTriage#Weekly_bug_skimming_duty | 21:13 |
| mriedem | there was a ML thread on it also | 21:13 |
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| mriedem | looks like a rotating 1 week thing | 21:13 |
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| mriedem | anyway, read on if you're interested | 21:13 |
| mriedem | #link bug volunteers for a week https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/BugTriage#Weekly_bug_skimming_duty | 21:13 |
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| mriedem | #topic stable branch status | 21:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "stable branch status (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:14 | |
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| dansmith | "effed" | 21:14 |
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| mriedem | heh | 21:14 |
| mriedem | yeah so i managed to merge a thing that broke triple-o on stable/liberty last night | 21:14 |
| mriedem | but i blame jenkins | 21:14 |
| mriedem | among others... | 21:14 |
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| mriedem | anyway, here are the stable/liberty open reviews https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/liberty,n,z | 21:14 |
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| mriedem | #link stable/liberty nova reviews https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/liberty,n,z | 21:14 |
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| mriedem | i'd like to get as much of that flushed through this week so we can release 12.0.1 next week | 21:15 |
| mriedem | but that is going to need to wait for the backport of that security fix | 21:15 |
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| mriedem | i see 3 changes out there that have a +2 but missing the approval | 21:15 |
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| mriedem | stable/kilo reviews https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/kilo,n,z | 21:15 |
| mriedem | i haven't looked at kilo since the break | 21:15 |
| mriedem | looks like there are quite a few out there | 21:15 |
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| mriedem | anything else for stable? | 21:16 |
| mriedem | oh yeah, upper-constraints for stable/liberty is having some growing pains, tracked here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/stable-liberty-constraints-sanity | 21:16 |
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| sdague | so, I thought kilo was just security fixes at this point, right? | 21:16 |
| mriedem | for those that like to make their lives worse | 21:16 |
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| sdague | I'm surprised that things like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/264795/ are backports | 21:16 |
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| mriedem | i'd have to check the actual dates | 21:17 |
| tonyb | sdague: kilo is security only liberty is more open | 21:17 |
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| mriedem | i wasn't sure if that's after juno was eol | 21:17 |
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| sdague | ok, so I think a lot of those kilo backports should probably be nixed given that | 21:17 |
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| mriedem | yeah maybe | 21:18 |
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| mriedem | critical impact type bugs which are not necessarily security issues have been given a pass in the past too | 21:18 |
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| mriedem | like things that impact the gate for example | 21:18 |
| sdague | sure, performance tweaks seem to be out of scope though | 21:18 |
| mriedem | but yeah, most of that list needs a good scrubbing for sure | 21:18 |
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| mriedem | well, cern reported that one when they upgraded to kilo | 21:18 |
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| mriedem | and it's 5 LOC | 21:19 |
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| mriedem | moving on? | 21:19 |
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| mriedem | #topic stuck reviews | 21:20 |
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| bauzas | tbh, cern can disable that if needed | 21:20 |
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| bauzas | but let's discuss that offline | 21:20 |
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| mriedem | i posted to the ML on a cells v2 patch that adds the flavors tables to the API DB | 21:20 |
| mriedem | #link cells v2 flavors api db ML thread http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-January/083518.html | 21:20 |
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| mriedem | the question is if we should allow those to be soft-deletable | 21:20 |
| mriedem | since we've previously said no more soft delete, but it turns out the flavor API can read deleted flavors if you have the id | 21:20 |
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| mriedem | and you can get the id from an instance get | 21:21 |
| mriedem | so i'm torn | 21:21 |
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| mriedem | we can discuss in the ML through, it's also cross posted to the ops ML | 21:21 |
| mriedem | *though | 21:21 |
| sdague | but only accidentally until you run a db purge right? | 21:21 |
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| mriedem | right | 21:21 |
| bauzas | do we have kind of permalinks ? | 21:21 |
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| bauzas | for flavors | 21:21 |
| melwitt | back before flavor was stored with the instance, it was how you could still get instance details for an instance whose flavor had since been deleted | 21:21 |
| dansmith | not accidentally, | 21:21 |
| sdague | it's not like we guaruntee they will be there forever | 21:21 |
| dansmith | that's the design | 21:21 |
| dansmith | but yes, "until a purge" | 21:21 |
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| sdague | dansmith: right, not really accidental | 21:22 |
| sdague | but there is no contract around their longevity | 21:22 |
| dansmith | melwitt: there's no way to get the current data either.. we need to add a thing I think | 21:22 |
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| dansmith | melwitt: embed the flavor in the instance result | 21:22 |
| mriedem | yeah, we could add a microversion to the server get to show the flavor info | 21:22 |
| melwitt | dansmith: oh, okay. didn't know that | 21:22 |
| sdague | right, we need a new rest api for that | 21:22 |
| dansmith | sdague: correct, but it's also a permalink which is the concern | 21:22 |
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| mriedem | we also have no CLIs to purge the api db (yet) | 21:22 |
| edleafe | just add a visble column - don't keep calling them deleted | 21:22 |
| mriedem | so this would set precedence | 21:22 |
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| sdague | dansmith: yeh, our permalinks are a bit less permanent then we'd like | 21:23 |
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| dansmith | sdague: yep, I'm not saying we shouldn't do it, I'm just explaining why it gives us heartburn | 21:23 |
| sdague | honestly, given that we don't have a contract around how long things will stick around there, I feel like saying the answer is 0 is fine | 21:23 |
| mriedem | i'd realy like operator input on that one before we move forward, | 21:23 |
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| dansmith | I think the purge case is a good enough reason to be able to drop it | 21:23 |
| mriedem | but it is blocking cells v2 progress so it's kind of urgent | 21:23 |
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| alaski | I agree that we should drop it, but want to wait for the operator feedback | 21:24 |
| dansmith | sdague: if we drop the flavor link in the same rev that we add the flavor dump to the instance, that will help avoid it sticking around any longer | 21:24 |
| mriedem | given the guys writing the patch are cern i'm assuming they will provide input at some point | 21:24 |
| dansmith | and | 21:24 |
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| dansmith | this might be a good reason for people to move up a few microversions if losing flavor stuff immediately makes them uncomfortable | 21:24 |
| sdague | dansmith: that's an API change, we need a microversion | 21:24 |
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| sdague | yeh | 21:24 |
| dansmith | sdague: we need a microversion for both changes | 21:24 |
| sdague | ah, ok | 21:24 |
| dansmith | sdague: I'm saying do both the drop and add in the same one, | 21:24 |
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| dansmith | s/,$// | 21:25 |
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| mriedem | i'm not sure how we have a microversion for the flavors db model thing in the api db | 21:25 |
| sdague | yeh, that seems fine. Is anyone working on the API change? | 21:25 |
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| mriedem | sdague: no, it came up as an idea in the cells meeting yesterday | 21:25 |
| sdague | GET /servers/{id}/flavor | 21:25 |
| dansmith | sdague: oh wait | 21:25 |
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| sdague | and start using that as our permalinks | 21:25 |
| dansmith | sdague: that's not what I was thinking, but that's a great idea | 21:25 |
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| sdague | oh, I though that's what we'd decided at summit, just hadn't gotten around to yet | 21:26 |
| dansmith | the thing I hated, was that we'd be returning a wrong permalink because $api | 21:26 |
| alaski | mriedem: we don't microversion the flavor migration, but deleted flavors look like purged flavors at that point | 21:26 |
| dansmith | but if we did that then we could just say stored permalinks are wrong, | 21:26 |
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| dansmith | I feel like the link/ref thing returned in something like instance is the link to it right now, not necessarily that you can capture that url forever and expect it to work | 21:26 |
| dansmith | so just changing how/where we point the permalink seems totally fine to me | 21:27 |
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| sdague | ok, I can help dig on the API side early next week, especially if it will help unblock cells v2 stuff | 21:27 |
| edleafe | permalink for some value of perma | 21:27 |
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| dansmith | edleafe: it's actually not a permalink, it's an "href" | 21:27 |
| mriedem | so it sounds like we have a path forward and opinion on what we'd like to do | 21:27 |
| dansmith | edleafe: literally a pointer to the flavor | 21:28 |
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| mriedem | and the api would probably be a dep on the cells v2 change, but we'd have focused review on the spec and change | 21:28 |
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| mriedem | sdague: dansmith: alaski: please express opinions/etc in the ML thread | 21:28 |
| sdague | ok, will do | 21:28 |
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| mriedem | moving on | 21:28 |
| mriedem | #topic open discussion | 21:28 |
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| mriedem | #link midcycle details https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints/NovaMitakaSprint | 21:29 |
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| mriedem | #link ideas for midcycle https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-midcycle | 21:29 |
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| dansmith | I have an idea for the midcycle | 21:29 |
| mriedem | it sounds like the cinder midcycle is happening in the US at the exact same time | 21:29 |
| anteaya | so far the neutron folks attending are armax and carl_baldwin | 21:29 |
| dansmith | "tell rob__ to cut it out" | 21:29 |
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| anteaya | mriedem: and keystone | 21:29 |
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| mriedem | anteaya: keystone huh | 21:30 |
| _gryf | dansmith, that the same thing… | 21:30 |
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| mriedem | i guess the only keystone related stuff i know of going on are the keystoneauth changes | 21:30 |
| stevemar | mriedem: darn those keystone guys | 21:30 |
| mriedem | and whatever project/service catalog work sdague is doing | 21:30 |
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| anteaya | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints/KeystoneMitakaSprint | 21:30 |
| anteaya | keystone is also happening at the same time | 21:31 |
| mriedem | multiattach is a major thing for cinder | 21:31 |
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| mriedem | so it sounds like some of the cinder people want to do a hangout at some point during the week | 21:31 |
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| mriedem | problem with the multiattach stuff is it's not a priority and our meetup is the week after non-priority FF | 21:31 |
| anteaya | mriedem: sorry I changed thoughts without indicating I was changing | 21:31 |
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| mriedem | that's fine, just trying to figure out what the cross-project impacts are | 21:31 |
| anteaya | mriedem: yup | 21:32 |
| mriedem | i don't know what hot button things neutron people care about for nova in mitaka | 21:32 |
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| mriedem | anyway, if nothing else on the midcycle, moving on | 21:32 |
| anteaya | okay if there are any I'll encourage them to communicate | 21:32 |
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| mriedem | thanks | 21:32 |
| mriedem | #link TC review on containers in nova's mission https://review.openstack.org/#/c/256440/ | 21:32 |
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| mriedem | ^ has a healthy dose of -1 on it | 21:32 |
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| sdague | unrelated to that, has there been any motion on privsep? | 21:33 |
| mriedem | so if you have an opinion, i guess state it there | 21:33 |
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| mriedem | sdague: i heard someone in cinder say this week that it would be N at the earliest | 21:33 |
| sdague | because osbrick and osvif are both in a weird place without it | 21:33 |
| tonyb | sdague: the os-brick stuff is in progress | 21:33 |
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| tonyb | sdague: I think that there is enough privsep in place to enable os-vif | 21:33 |
| sdague | mriedem: really? | 21:34 |
| mriedem | sdague: yeah, os-brick is looking to move some more common lvm stuff out of nova and cinder into os-brick but it needs more rootwrap type stuff with it | 21:34 |
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| mriedem | only what i heard in the cinder meeting this week | 21:34 |
| mriedem | i don't know the details | 21:34 |
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| tonyb | FWIW gus will be at the MC | 21:34 |
| dansmith | sheesh | 21:34 |
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| mriedem | dansmith: plan on talking about a lot of things | 21:35 |
| dansmith | how far away do we have to have the midcycle to get the aussies to not come? | 21:35 |
| sdague | ok, that's something we should reset on. Because we've crippled upgrade | 21:35 |
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| mriedem | sdague: something for the oslo meeting? | 21:35 |
| dansmith | sdague: wait, what? | 21:35 |
| tonyb | dansmith: keep trying | 21:35 |
| dansmith | tonyb: :P <3 | 21:35 |
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| sdague | every new thing that goes into osbrick that requires filter adjustment means lock step nova/cinder/osbrick upgrade | 21:36 |
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| dansmith | ah | 21:36 |
| mriedem | i'm not aware of anything new really in that regard yet for mitaka | 21:36 |
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| tonyb | can we do the provsep conversion in nova/cinder and then move it? | 21:36 |
| mriedem | but i haven't checked | 21:36 |
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| sdague | tonyb: that's what I was hoping the plan was going to be | 21:36 |
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| mriedem | so is anyone stepping up here to push on this? | 21:37 |
| mriedem | push it real good? | 21:37 |
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| tonyb | sdague: then I think we should try to make that the plan | 21:37 |
| sdague | mriedem: who is point on os-brick? | 21:37 |
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| mriedem | hemna: | 21:37 |
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| * mriedem assumes | 21:37 | |
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| scottda | mriedem: yes, it would be hemna | 21:37 |
| hemna | wha? | 21:38 |
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| sdague | ok, I'll poke a bit | 21:38 |
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| mriedem | #action sdague to poke hemna | 21:38 |
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| mriedem | (about os-brick and privsep) | 21:38 |
| hemna | oh privsep | 21:38 |
| hemna | so, it looks like angus has put a small WIP patch up against os-brick | 21:38 |
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| hemna | but honestly, it seems a long ways away | 21:38 |
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| hemna | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/258252/ | 21:39 |
| sdague | right, so I think that os-brick has to be in filter freeze until that is in | 21:39 |
| hemna | that one and it only covers a small piece | 21:39 |
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| tonyb | hemna: but can we say no new filters in os-brick yet? | 21:39 |
| mriedem | #link WIP os-brick patch for privsep integration https://review.openstack.org/#/c/258252/ | 21:39 |
| sdague | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/247372/5 ends up forcing another coupling | 21:39 |
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| hemna | tonyb, currently we don't | 21:39 |
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| hemna | and the filters that are defined in os-brick aren't actually used anywhere | 21:40 |
| hemna | :( | 21:40 |
| hemna | we are stuck w/ copy/paste into nova and cinder's filters | 21:40 |
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| hemna | sadness | 21:40 |
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| hemna | I'm unfamiliar with a filters freeze | 21:41 |
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| hemna | I presume we mean rootwrap filters in the case. | 21:41 |
| sdague | ok, we can probably take this offline | 21:41 |
| hemna | and when is that date ? | 21:41 |
| hemna | ok | 21:41 |
| hemna | sdague, ping me in cinder channel whenever | 21:41 |
| sdague | hemna: yeh, the point is any rootwrap filter changes end up coupling upgrades | 21:42 |
| sdague | which we really really don't want to be doing | 21:42 |
| hemna | sdague, yup. totally agree | 21:42 |
| hemna | I'll see if I can ping angus and help his efforts | 21:42 |
| sdague | hemna: thanks! | 21:42 |
| hemna | np | 21:42 |
| mriedem | ok, last thing in open discussion | 21:43 |
| mriedem | rlrossit has a specless bp https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/rm-object-dict-compat | 21:43 |
| dansmith | let's do it | 21:43 |
| mriedem | to remove the dict compat mixin from nova objects | 21:43 |
| mriedem | yeah, this is really just a formality | 21:43 |
| dansmith | (since he already is) | 21:43 |
| dansmith | (doing it) | 21:43 |
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| cdent | +1 | 21:43 |
| alaski | +1 | 21:43 |
| bauzas | +1 | 21:43 |
| mriedem | sounds like we're all happy with this | 21:43 |
| mriedem | dansmith: want to approve? | 21:43 |
| bauzas | (who else?) | 21:43 |
| rlrossit | woo | 21:43 |
| dansmith | mriedem: I want to approve that so hard | 21:43 |
| mriedem | can i watch from the corner? | 21:43 |
| mriedem | alright, | 21:44 |
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| mriedem | anything else for open discussion? | 21:44 |
| dansmith | heh | 21:44 |
| mriedem | going once | 21:44 |
| dansmith | I just blew up rlrossit's inbox | 21:44 |
| mriedem | twice | 21:44 |
| dansmith | because launchpad is awesome like that | 21:44 |
| rlrossit | you blew up more than just that ;) | 21:44 |
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| mriedem | geez you weirdos | 21:45 |
| mriedem | alright thanks everyone | 21:45 |
| mriedem | #endmeeting | 21:45 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 7 21:45:08 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2016/nova.2016-01-07-21.00.html | 21:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2016/nova.2016-01-07-21.00.txt | 21:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2016/nova.2016-01-07-21.00.log.html | 21:45 |
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