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| anteaya | #startmeeting third-party | 08:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 22 08:00:38 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 08:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 08:00 |
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| anteaya | hello | 08:01 |
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| lennyb__ | Hi | 08:03 |
| anteaya | hey lennyb__ | 08:03 |
| anteaya | how are you? | 08:03 |
| lennyb__ | thanks, how are you? | 08:03 |
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| anteaya | good thanks | 08:05 |
| anteaya | do you have anything you want to discuss today? | 08:05 |
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| lennyb__ | I've posted a small and 'dirty' patch for lastcomment monitoring tool ( by jogo ), that was broken after latest gerrit upgrade | 08:06 |
| lennyb__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/259083/ | 08:06 |
| anteaya | why do you say it is a dirty patch? | 08:06 |
| lennyb__ | but it's still under review, so not much to discuss yet :) | 08:06 |
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| lennyb__ | because the real one should work with CI name and not ID, ID is not human readible | 08:07 |
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| lennyb__ | so I guess either gerrit should be modified or a more appropriate query should be used | 08:07 |
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| anteaya | well the road to modify gerrit is long if you want to travel it | 08:08 |
| lennyb__ | I needed something quick to monitor our CI after Gerrit upgrade, so it was also quick :) | 08:08 |
| lennyb__ | I will check for the proper query | 08:08 |
| anteaya | okay thanks for the explaination of why you describe the patch thusly | 08:08 |
| anteaya | okay | 08:09 |
| anteaya | you might consider asking zaro when he is around | 08:09 |
| anteaya | he might have a suggestion | 08:09 |
| lennyb__ | infra channel? | 08:09 |
| anteaya | yes | 08:09 |
| lennyb__ | ok, thanks | 08:09 |
| anteaya | he is our upstream gerrit person | 08:09 |
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| anteaya | and knows gerrit best | 08:09 |
| anteaya | welcome | 08:09 |
| anteaya | thanks for mentioning your patch | 08:09 |
| anteaya | :) | 08:09 |
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| lennyb__ | I guess that's it. | 08:10 |
| anteaya | okay great | 08:10 |
| anteaya | do you celebrate holidays? | 08:10 |
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| lennyb__ | We have another 'New Year' celebrations at september, but New Years Eve will be definitely celebrated. hopefully with the snow :) | 08:12 |
| anteaya | you get snow? | 08:12 |
| lennyb__ | we have mountains even with the ski resort :) ( at least few days a year :( ) | 08:12 |
| anteaya | nice | 08:13 |
| anteaya | we just got some snow the other day | 08:13 |
| anteaya | most of it has melted though | 08:13 |
| anteaya | so unbelievable warm this year :( | 08:13 |
| lennyb__ | GLobal warming perhaps.... or ..who knows:) | 08:14 |
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| anteaya | well something is sure different | 08:14 |
| anteaya | but in anycase, have a good New Years if I don't see you before then | 08:15 |
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| lennyb__ | thanks, you too. Happy Holidays... | 08:15 |
| anteaya | thank you | 08:16 |
| anteaya | I'm going to close the meeting now | 08:16 |
| anteaya | see you next week | 08:16 |
| anteaya | thanks lennyb__ | 08:16 |
| anteaya | #endmeeting | 08:16 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 22 08:16:58 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:17 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-12-22-08.00.html | 08:17 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-12-22-08.00.txt | 08:17 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-12-22-08.00.log.html | 08:17 |
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| ryu25 | midonet meeting about to start | 09:00 |
| ryu25 | #startmeeting midonet | 09:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 22 09:00:48 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ryu25. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: midonet)" | 09:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'midonet' | 09:00 |
| jfjoly | good day! | 09:00 |
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| ryu25 | jfjoly: hi! | 09:01 |
| xavileon | hello | 09:01 |
| red|mobile | o/ | 09:01 |
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| ryu25 | #topic announcements | 09:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: midonet)" | 09:01 | |
| kitsuneninetails | heya | 09:02 |
| ryu25 | I have updated the meeting page about this, but as we agreed last week, the next two meetings are cancelled | 09:02 |
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| ryu25 | there is no other announcement from my side. Anyone else? | 09:03 |
| ryu25 | today's meeting should be fast | 09:03 |
| ryu25 | moving on, then | 09:04 |
| red|mobile | that's what you always say ;) | 09:04 |
| ryu25 | red|mobile: this time I mean it | 09:04 |
| ryu25 | #topic bugs | 09:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: midonet)" | 09:04 | |
| ryu25 | xavileon: thanks for acting as the bug deputy last week | 09:04 |
| ryu25 | do you know of any critical/high priority bugs that need immediately attnention right now? | 09:05 |
| xavileon | np, no that I'm aware of | 09:06 |
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| ryu25 | xavileon thanks | 09:07 |
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| ryu25 | I can take over the bug deputy for the upcoming week unless someone else really wants it :-) | 09:08 |
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| red|mobile | How do we deal with the other weeks before the next meeting? | 09:09 |
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| ryu25 | red|mobile: good question | 09:10 |
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| ryu25 | i can do both, unless you want to volunteer :-) | 09:11 |
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| red|mobile | I could take one, but not sure I have the necessary expertise. | 09:12 |
| jfjoly | aren't you away the week of the 4th ryu25 ? | 09:12 |
| jfjoly | I can take that one | 09:13 |
| ryu25 | jfjoly: red|mobile: thanks | 09:13 |
| ryu25 | ok why not go with jfjoly based on his enthusiasm thsi time | 09:13 |
| jfjoly | ;) | 09:13 |
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| jfjoly | I'll edit the wiki to add me to the planning | 09:14 |
| ryu25 | #action ryu25 update the wiki with jfjoly and ryu25 as the next two bug deputies | 09:14 |
| ryu25 | #info ryu25 is the next bug deputy and then jfjoly is the one following it | 09:14 |
| jfjoly | ok , perfect! | 09:14 |
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| ryu25 | #topic open discussion | 09:16 |
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| ryu25 | I have started filing bugs against launchpad: https://bugs.launchpad.net/midonet for midonet | 09:16 |
| jfjoly | all new bugs should go to LP instead of Jira? | 09:17 |
| ryu25 | there is an equivalent in JIRA right now so they are tracked in two places (so that people don't have to go look at multiple places) | 09:17 |
| jfjoly | ok | 09:17 |
| ryu25 | no not yet, but I have started adding them in LP and reference them from JIRA | 09:17 |
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| ryu25 | just to get the migration process started | 09:18 |
| ryu25 | anyone wants to bring up any topic? | 09:19 |
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| ryu25 | ok it's a quick meeting as expected. Thanks everyone for attending! | 09:20 |
| ryu25 | #endmeeting | 09:20 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 22 09:20:34 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:20 |
| jfjoly | thanks! | 09:20 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/midonet/2015/midonet.2015-12-22-09.00.html | 09:20 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/midonet/2015/midonet.2015-12-22-09.00.txt | 09:20 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/midonet/2015/midonet.2015-12-22-09.00.log.html | 09:20 |
| red|mobile | thanks :) | 09:20 |
| kitsuneninetails | ciao! | 09:20 |
| xavileon | thanks! | 09:21 |
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| Qiming | #startmeeting senlin | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 22 13:00:35 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Qiming. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: senlin)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'senlin' | 13:00 |
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| Qiming | good evening | 13:01 |
| lixinhui_ | hi | 13:01 |
| elynn | Hi | 13:01 |
| yanyanhu | hi | 13:01 |
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| Qiming | pls check meeting agenda and see if there are things you want to add | 13:01 |
| Qiming | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SenlinAgenda | 13:01 |
| Qiming | let's start with the etherpad | 13:03 |
| Qiming | heat resource type | 13:03 |
| elynn | I still stuck in cluster update | 13:04 |
| elynn | don't know how to check the status | 13:04 |
| yanyanhu | elynn, you mean the status of senlin cluster as heat resource? | 13:04 |
| Qiming | well, okay | 13:04 |
| elynn | yanyanhu: yes | 13:05 |
| Qiming | after the api revision, we are returning 202 as status code for create, update and delete operations | 13:05 |
| elynn | the status change from 'active' -> 'updating' -> 'active' | 13:05 |
| Qiming | we can never promise you those operations are performed synchronously | 13:05 |
| yanyanhu | in functional test, I checked action status to get the cluster update/resize/scale result | 13:06 |
| Qiming | when returning the 202 status code, we are also returning some hints in the header | 13:06 |
| Qiming | in the body, we also return the action id | 13:06 |
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| elynn | header only contains location | 13:06 |
| Qiming | elynn, then probably check the body? | 13:07 |
| elynn | Qiming: haven't find a way to do it. | 13:07 |
| elynn | Client will translate the response data to cluster class... | 13:08 |
| yanyanhu | ah, that's a problem | 13:08 |
| Qiming | even for 202 return code? | 13:08 |
| elynn | I can check how we do in functional tests. | 13:08 |
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| yanyanhu | elynn, in functional test, we didn't use senlinclient | 13:09 |
| yanyanhu | directly API access is used for testing | 13:09 |
| Qiming | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/senlin/tree/senlin/tests/functional/api.py#n64 | 13:09 |
| elynn | https://github.com/openstack/python-senlinclient/blob/master/senlinclient/v1/client.py#L85-L86 | 13:09 |
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| elynn | Is that ok directly using api request? | 13:10 |
| yanyanhu | elynn, I guess we need to figure out how to get action information when using senlinclient to talk with service | 13:10 |
| elynn | yanyanhu, yes | 13:11 |
| Qiming | elynn, yes, if you have access to the raw body, yes | 13:11 |
| elynn | That would be a little weird... | 13:12 |
| Qiming | oh, cluster_update returns the cluster in the body | 13:12 |
| Qiming | need to figure out a clean way on that | 13:12 |
| elynn | And I also encounter another problem | 13:12 |
| yanyanhu | Qiming, anyway to make sdk return action id to enduser as well as the resource itself? | 13:13 |
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| Qiming | the response comes from keystoneauth1 now | 13:13 |
| Qiming | we have to have senlin server do that | 13:13 |
| elynn | After I do cluster-resize, cluster status will change to updating for a while, but before it's finished | 13:13 |
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| Qiming | elynn, you need to check the action, not the targeted object | 13:14 |
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| Qiming | we cannot guaranteed you that a cluster is updated immediately | 13:14 |
| Qiming | it might be locked for a resize at the moment | 13:14 |
| elynn | Qiming: en, I think I need to think another way to check status. | 13:14 |
| Qiming | yes | 13:15 |
| elynn | just like you said, check action's status | 13:15 |
| Qiming | okay, we can add action to the response body if not included | 13:15 |
| yanyanhu | Qiming, and maybe also need to revise senlinclient implementation | 13:16 |
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| yanyanhu | some functions like this https://github.com/openstack/python-senlinclient/blob/master/senlinclient/v1/client.py#L85 | 13:16 |
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| yanyanhu | just not sure how to do it in a graceful way | 13:16 |
| Qiming | okay, need some investigation there | 13:16 |
| Qiming | whether non cluster property attributes will be filtered out | 13:17 |
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| yanyanhu | yes | 13:17 |
| Qiming | yanyanhu, can you help elynn out there? | 13:17 |
| yanyanhu | sure | 13:18 |
| Qiming | thx | 13:18 |
| yanyanhu | will think about this issue | 13:18 |
| elynn | thanks! | 13:18 |
| Qiming | client unit test | 13:18 |
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| yanyanhu | you're welcome :) | 13:18 |
| Qiming | almost done I think | 13:18 |
| yanyanhu | yea | 13:18 |
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| Qiming | still last mile to complete the shell test | 13:18 |
| yanyanhu | I saw the 4th patch for client test from haiwei | 13:18 |
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| Qiming | at the same time, I'm fleshing out some useless code from client | 13:19 |
| Qiming | when doing that, I have found something that needs improvement at sdk side, will work on that also | 13:19 |
| elynn | Qiming: are your revise can compatible with old one? | 13:19 |
| Qiming | so far there will be no impact on software using senlinclient.v1.client | 13:20 |
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| Qiming | you are not calling resize, scale_in, attach_policy stuff yet | 13:20 |
| Qiming | will fix them before you start using them | 13:20 |
| elynn | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/260329/1/senlinclient/v1/client.pyL45 get_profile | 13:20 |
| elynn | it can accept id before, it can still accept id now? | 13:21 |
| Qiming | yes | 13:21 |
| elynn | I notice you remove dict(id=value) | 13:21 |
| Qiming | that was because we have been using our own self.get function | 13:21 |
| Qiming | we have been reinventing a lot wheels at senlinclient | 13:22 |
| Qiming | because sdk was nevery ready | 13:22 |
| elynn | ok, now I'm clear | 13:22 |
| Qiming | now with our last resource type 'receiver' under review (https://review.openstack.org/260310), we are throwing away out local stuff | 13:23 |
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| Qiming | we were doing that because we don't want our progress blocked by sdk | 13:23 |
| Qiming | ideally, to be honest, heat should call openstacksdk, instead of senlinclient | 13:23 |
| Qiming | senlin-dashboard should call openstacksdk, instead of senlinclient | 13:24 |
| Qiming | then we can drop senlinclient.v1.client completely | 13:24 |
| Qiming | got what I mean? | 13:24 |
| elynn | Qiming: yes | 13:24 |
| Qiming | some day in 2016, we will drop python-senlinclient project completely | 13:25 |
| Qiming | migrating to openstackclient | 13:25 |
| Qiming | this has to be done step by step | 13:25 |
| elynn | We should push openstacksdk get into big tent | 13:26 |
| Qiming | API response modification, do we have a release note on that already? | 13:26 |
| yanyanhu | nope, I think | 13:26 |
| Qiming | fix-api-return-202-b9d31250c4d7c624.yaml | 13:27 |
| Qiming | we have this in tree | 13:27 |
| yanyanhu | oh | 13:27 |
| yanyanhu | just can't access that link | 13:27 |
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| yanyanhu | sigh | 13:27 |
| Qiming | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/senlin/tree/releasenotes/notes/fix-api-return-202-b9d31250c4d7c624.yaml | 13:28 |
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| Qiming | health policy | 13:28 |
| yanyanhu | ok, if so I think this work has been done | 13:28 |
| Qiming | lixinhui_ ? | 13:28 |
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| Qiming | we are experimenting a message listener inside health manager | 13:29 |
| Qiming | so far it is telling us that a nova server has been create/deleted/.... | 13:29 |
| Qiming | not a complex code | 13:29 |
| Qiming | the difficulty lies in linking these events to actions | 13:30 |
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| yanyanhu | what you mean by health manager? the one Liuhang added at the beginning? | 13:30 |
| Qiming | need to think about how to do that, RPC? | 13:30 |
| lixinhui_ | Yes, Qiming | 13:30 |
| Qiming | yes, health manager starts a thread that listens to the message queue, about 'notifications' | 13:31 |
| yanyanhu | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/senlin/tree/senlin/engine/health_manager.py | 13:31 |
| Qiming | we filter out irrelevant messages | 13:31 |
| Qiming | lixinhui_ has been experimenting that in hope we are not doing resource wasting polling | 13:31 |
| yanyanhu | Qiming, I think rpc is ok | 13:32 |
| Qiming | still need to finish that framework before debugging the code | 13:32 |
| Qiming | profile update | 13:33 |
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| Qiming | name and flavor update proposed, great, just reviewed, both look good | 13:33 |
| yanyanhu | finally started working on this again | 13:33 |
| yanyanhu | thanks | 13:33 |
| Qiming | receiver | 13:33 |
| Qiming | db -> engine -> rpc -> api -> client | 13:33 |
| Qiming | done | 13:33 |
| yanyanhu | next step is client support? | 13:34 |
| Qiming | on the reverse direction removing webhook, client -> api -> rpc -> middleware -> engine -> module -> db | 13:34 |
| yanyanhu | a patch has been merged | 13:34 |
| Qiming | client support done and tested manually | 13:34 |
| yanyanhu | ok | 13:34 |
| yanyanhu | nice | 13:34 |
| yanyanhu | and I will start working on revise functional test of webhook | 13:35 |
| Qiming | didn't get time to work on the middleware revision | 13:35 |
| yanyanhu | since related API has been removed | 13:35 |
| Qiming | due to a full afternoon 'patent' review | 13:35 |
| yanyanhu | :P | 13:35 |
| Qiming | we still have the webhook trigger api left | 13:35 |
| Qiming | but that endpoint is not discoverable | 13:35 |
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| Qiming | you cannot do list, or get on it | 13:36 |
| Qiming | :) | 13:36 |
| yanyanhu | yes, but the creating/deleting part need revision | 13:36 |
| yanyanhu | yea | 13:36 |
| Qiming | i'm evil | 13:36 |
| Qiming | creation and deletion is done via receiver api now | 13:36 |
| lixinhui_ | you are robot | 13:36 |
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| lixinhui_ | Qiming, you can work 7X24 | 13:36 |
| Qiming | engine, locks | 13:37 |
| Qiming | temporarily commented out | 13:37 |
| yanyanhu | lixinhui_, that depends on coffee and food | 13:37 |
| Qiming | can be added back now | 13:37 |
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| lixinhui_ | :) | 13:37 |
| elynn | need revise? | 13:37 |
| Qiming | functional test on this would be difficult | 13:37 |
| Qiming | yes, elynn, don't call action.set_status() | 13:38 |
| Qiming | call dbapi.action_update({'status': 'ERROR'}) instead | 13:38 |
| elynn | What should I do? | 13:38 |
| elynn | ok | 13:38 |
| Qiming | and .... | 13:38 |
| Qiming | I'm thinking whether this lock breaker should be moved somewhere else | 13:38 |
| Qiming | it is now sitting on the critical path on lock acquire | 13:39 |
| yanyanhu | yes, maybe we just steal lock in some special cases | 13:39 |
| Qiming | that is hurting | 13:39 |
| yanyanhu | like, cluster/node deleting | 13:39 |
| Qiming | before adding it back, please revisit the problem in addition to the current implementation | 13:39 |
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| elynn | ok | 13:40 |
| Qiming | functional test broken ... | 13:40 |
| Qiming | I think we are good now | 13:40 |
| Qiming | a whole week on it | 13:40 |
| Qiming | still not sure it is 100% fixed | 13:41 |
| Qiming | though we are passing gate now, :P | 13:41 |
| Qiming | high priority bug, gone! | 13:41 |
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| elynn | great job! | 13:41 |
| elynn | is it better to enable it at jenkins but no-voting? | 13:42 |
| Qiming | blueprint review | 13:42 |
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| Qiming | elynn, it slows everything down | 13:42 |
| Qiming | I'd suggest we keep it optional | 13:42 |
| yanyanhu | currently, just need to check it before + workflow I think | 13:42 |
| Qiming | we have a lot work to do at the moment | 13:43 |
| elynn | ok got your point | 13:43 |
| Qiming | cannot wait the gate to say yes | 13:43 |
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| Qiming | when we are touching some functional logic, we need to remind ourselves, do a 'check experimental' | 13:43 |
| Qiming | or when our progress is slowing down, things are more stable | 13:44 |
| Qiming | we turn it on | 13:44 |
| yanyanhu | yea | 13:44 |
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| Qiming | blueprints review <-- done? | 13:44 |
| Qiming | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/senlin | 13:45 |
| yanyanhu | I think so | 13:45 |
| yanyanhu | no backlog now | 13:45 |
| lixinhui_ | I submit a BP | 13:45 |
| lixinhui_ | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/senlin/+spec/support-health-management | 13:46 |
| Qiming | maybe we will need a senlin-spec sub-project some time in future | 13:46 |
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| Qiming | so far we are good with bps | 13:46 |
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| Qiming | lixinhui_, approved | 13:46 |
| lixinhui_ | Qiming, Thanks for your help on this | 13:46 |
| Qiming | thanks for the hard work | 13:46 |
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| Qiming | #topic mid-cycle meetup planning | 13:47 |
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| lixinhui_ | hope I can add use case and implements after listener trials | 13:47 |
| Qiming | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/senlin-mitaka-midcycle | 13:47 |
| Qiming | great, lixinhui_ | 13:47 |
| Qiming | currently we have a two-day schedule | 13:47 |
| yanyanhu | lixinhui_, looking forward to your patch :) | 13:47 |
| Qiming | I was hoping haiwei can join us | 13:47 |
| lixinhui_ | Thanks, yanyanhu :) | 13:47 |
| Qiming | please review | 13:48 |
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| yanyanhu | ok | 13:48 |
| Qiming | note that this is not merely a developer meetup | 13:49 |
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| Qiming | we are inviting some people to share their use case, their painpoints | 13:49 |
| lixinhui_ | how about come to VMware :) | 13:49 |
| Qiming | we'd like to solve their problems, rather than just developing a toy | 13:50 |
| Qiming | lixinhui_, that is an option too | 13:50 |
| lixinhui_ | Qiming :) | 13:50 |
| yanyanhu | I think we can decide the detail by next week to let everybody has enough time to make preparation | 13:51 |
| Qiming | lixinhui_, we'll strive to keep your coffee cup filled | 13:51 |
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| lixinhui_ | haha | 13:51 |
| Qiming | yes, please think about it | 13:51 |
| Qiming | I'm about to send out an email to the os-dev mailinglist | 13:52 |
| yanyanhu | ok, lets discuss it in mailing list | 13:52 |
| lixinhui_ | okay | 13:52 |
| Qiming | if you have suggestions, you can input into the etherpad directly | 13:53 |
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| Qiming | #action Everyone to think about topics to share during meetup | 13:53 |
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| Qiming | #topic open discussion | 13:54 |
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| lixinhui_ | We are trying to do some scalability testing these days | 13:54 |
| Qiming | okay | 13:55 |
| elynn | about this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/senlin/+bug/1528525 | 13:55 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1528525 in senlin "senlin engine will be blocked when action chain is too long" [Undecided,New] | 13:55 |
| lixinhui_ | hope to get some data soon for everyone's review | 13:55 |
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| elynn | In some case, senlin engine will not response for some operation. | 13:55 |
| Qiming | elynn, 999 nodes in a cluster? | 13:55 |
| yanyanhu | elynn, interesting | 13:56 |
| elynn | just a large number | 13:56 |
| yanyanhu | will check it | 13:56 |
| yanyanhu | elynn, I also noticed this issue. | 13:56 |
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| lixinhui_ | elynn | 13:56 |
| Qiming | okay, that sounds familar | 13:56 |
| * Qiming sighs | 13:57 | |
| lixinhui_ | KVM you are using? | 13:57 |
| yanyanhu | when I create 5 cluster with 1000 nodes, service just stop responding to request like cluster list | 13:57 |
| elynn | yes | 13:57 |
| Qiming | we are not limiting the number of workers I think | 13:57 |
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| Qiming | sounds like engine is overloaded | 13:57 |
| elynn | yanyanhu, I my case, api for list is still working | 13:57 |
| yanyanhu | Qiming, the pool size is default 1000 | 13:57 |
| yanyanhu | I think so | 13:57 |
| elynn | but create or resize doesn't response | 13:57 |
| Qiming | pool works? | 13:58 |
| yanyanhu | greenthread pool size | 13:58 |
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| Qiming | yanyanhu, didn't notice where we did a check on that | 13:58 |
| elynn | log shows engine are busy deleting nodes. | 13:58 |
| Qiming | elynn, you may need more than one engine, :) | 13:59 |
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| Qiming | a good test for concurrency, again | 13:59 |
| yanyanhu | Qiming, if you mean the check about concurrent action number, there is no check for it I think | 13:59 |
| Qiming | well, time's up | 13:59 |
| elynn | Qiming: ...... | 13:59 |
| yanyanhu | elynn, that's true :) | 13:59 |
| Qiming | back to #senlin pls | 13:59 |
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| Qiming | thanks for joining, guys | 14:00 |
| Qiming | #endmeeting | 14:00 |
| yanyanhu | thanks | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 22 14:00:10 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2015/senlin.2015-12-22-13.00.html | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2015/senlin.2015-12-22-13.00.txt | 14:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2015/senlin.2015-12-22-13.00.log.html | 14:00 |
| gampel | #startmeeting smaug | 14:00 |
| zhonghua-lee | hi | 14:00 |
| gampel | Hi everyone | 14:00 |
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| gampel | Welcome to the first smug IRC meeting | 14:01 |
| zengyingzhe_ | Hi | 14:01 |
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| gampel | Who is here zengyingzhe_ , saggi ? | 14:01 |
| zengyingzhe_ | I'm here. | 14:02 |
| zhonghua-lee | and me | 14:02 |
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| gampel | Ok, We have a lot on the agenda so let’s start | 14:02 |
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| gampel | #topic Smaug Overview | 14:03 |
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| zengyingzhe_ | OK | 14:03 |
| zhonghua-lee | OK | 14:03 |
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| saggi | Hey | 14:03 |
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| gampel | Hi saggi this is our first IRC so are there any question about the projects goals plan mission statement | 14:03 |
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| gampel | I just would like focus the IRC meetings on operational info what’s the plan who is doing | 14:05 |
| zhonghua-lee | what's my suggestion is we should public our project plan, do you agree with me? | 14:05 |
| gampel | yes and I think that deep dive design should be done in our IRC channel | 14:05 |
| saggi | or on gerrit | 14:05 |
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| saggi | similar to how we are now discussing the API | 14:06 |
| gampel | #topic "Proposed Smaug API v1.0" | 14:06 |
| gampel | Do we have any open question/comments on the API ? | 14:06 |
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| zhonghua-lee | yes, need we present the 'provider' to end user? | 14:07 |
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| gampel | currently we want the user to select a provider from a list of providers | 14:07 |
| smcginnis | o/ | 14:08 |
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| zhonghua-lee | when we think about backup, maybe what i care about is the resources, not the "provider' | 14:08 |
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| saggi | you care about the provider since you care about where you back up | 14:08 |
| zhonghua-lee | hi smcginnis | 14:08 |
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| smcginnis | zhonghua-lee: Hi! | 14:09 |
| gampel | welcome | 14:09 |
| zhonghua-lee | @saggi yes, i think that the target | 14:09 |
| zhonghua-lee | that's the target | 14:09 |
| gampel | the provider encapsulate a selection of plugins and a bank | 14:09 |
| zhonghua-lee | it's difficult to understand what's a 'provider' | 14:09 |
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| saggi | zhonghua-lee: It's a ProtectionProvider. It encompasses all aspects of the protection. Where to backup and how to back up. | 14:10 |
| zhonghua-lee | what's your opinion? | 14:10 |
| zengyingzhe_ | Full name is ProtectionProvider. I think it's clear. | 14:10 |
| saggi | It provides protection services. Though we are open to better naming conventions. | 14:11 |
| saggi | But only in the next couple of days since we really want to finalize the aPI | 14:11 |
| saggi | API | 14:11 |
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| zhonghua-lee | yes,i know it's simple API | 14:12 |
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| gampel | we could use ProtectionProvider , what do you all think | 14:12 |
| smcginnis | gampel: Clarity is better IMO. That sounds good. | 14:12 |
| zhonghua-lee | maybe ,we should think it over, if it's neccesarry to present the concepe | 14:12 |
| gampel | zhonghua-lee: i am not sure i understand | 14:13 |
| saggi | I'm OK with changing plan to protection_plan and provider to protection_provider. I'm also partial to clarity over brevity. | 14:13 |
| zhonghua-lee | maybe, protectionProvider is helpful to understand | 14:13 |
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| gampel | #action rename provider API to protectionProvider | 14:14 |
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| zhonghua-lee | sounds good | 14:14 |
| gampel | Do we have any additional comments on the API | 14:14 |
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| gampel | #topic Open Issues | 14:15 |
| chenzeng | no | 14:15 |
| zhonghua-lee | there are many comments from yinwei, it seems she is not here now | 14:15 |
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| gampel | Yinwei are you here ? can you please explain this topic | 14:15 |
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| gampel | is there any open issues, i guess we will address yinwei question in next meeting | 14:17 |
| zhonghua-lee | +1 | 14:18 |
| zengyingzhe_ | OK | 14:18 |
| gampel | #topic Boilerplate un-started generic infrastructure tasks | 14:18 |
| gampel | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/smaug-bootsrap | 14:18 |
| gampel | chenzeng: can you share your status | 14:19 |
| saggi | chenzeng: ? | 14:20 |
| chenzeng | yes | 14:20 |
| chenzeng | I want to use "apscheduler" to implement the time trigger | 14:21 |
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| saggi | chenzeng: Are there any other openstack projects that use it? | 14:22 |
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| chenzeng | yes, | 14:22 |
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| chenying_ | Hi | 14:22 |
| smcginnis | I've used Quartz scheduler quite a bit in other languages. Googling for quartz for python points to apscheduler. | 14:23 |
| smcginnis | That's probably a good sign. | 14:23 |
| chenzeng | DPS of huawei use it to implement the trigger. | 14:23 |
| gampel | i think it look like a good plan | 14:24 |
| zhonghua-lee | @chenzeng DPS is not a OPenStack project now | 14:24 |
| gampel | chenying_: whats the status of the Boilerplate tasks | 14:25 |
| chenzeng | zhonghua:yes,but we can use the same technology. | 14:25 |
| zhonghua-lee | @chenzeng ok | 14:26 |
| saggi | chenzeng: Remember to send a UML of the design of the service you start writing actual code. We need to make sure it all adds up. | 14:26 |
| saggi | chenzeng: I would rather use existing openstack dependencies if those are good enough. Please check if this library is already tracked by openstack. If not we will have to make sure it's tracked if we decide to use it. | 14:27 |
| gampel | saggi: +1 textual format + image will be best for the design please send it to spec folder under doc | 14:28 |
| saggi | chenzeng: Also try and do it in plantuml if possible since it's a format we can review on Gerrit and push to git. | 14:28 |
| chenying_ | gampel: Boilerplate tasks? You mean Schedule service base framework? | 14:28 |
| chenzeng | saggi:yes, we should reach an agreement. | 14:28 |
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| saggi | chenzeng: Boilerplate tasks https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/smaug-bootsrap | 14:29 |
| gampel | no all the task list we have in the etherpad | 14:29 |
| saggi | The stuff we need to get all the infrastructure working | 14:29 |
| chenzeng | saggi:ok | 14:29 |
| gampel | if someone wants to take a task from that list please update the etherpad with the status | 14:30 |
| saggi | Everyone please put your name after the task you are taking so we don't step on each other's toes. | 14:30 |
| smcginnis | apscheduler is not in global requirements: https://github.com/openstack/requirements/blob/master/global-requirements.txt | 14:30 |
| smcginnis | And it's an MIT license, not Apache. Not sure if that will be an issue or not. | 14:30 |
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| gampel | do anyone know an alternative library ? | 14:31 |
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| saggi | chenzeng: Please check if an alternative is in the global-requirements and if not work on pushing apscheduler. | 14:32 |
| chenzeng | maybe we should find another one. | 14:32 |
| smcginnis | Oh, I do see other packages marked as MIT in the global requirements. It's probably OK then | 14:32 |
| zhonghua-lee | hi, saggi,maybe, we need more description of each task in etherpad | 14:32 |
| smcginnis | It would be good to see if there is something similar already there, but if not, probably not a problem getting it added. | 14:32 |
| saggi | gampel: Put an action item for it on chenzeng | 14:33 |
| chenzeng | saggi:i will. | 14:33 |
| gampel | #action chenzeng look for an alternative in the global-requirements for the triers | 14:33 |
| chenying_ | I will update the status of the task in the etherpad. | 14:33 |
| gampel | can you give us a brief status | 14:33 |
| saggi | zhonghua-lee: What is unclear? | 14:33 |
| saggi | zhonghua-lee: Those are very basic tasks. Just getting the services and DB running and all the devstack bits. | 14:34 |
| chenying_ | DB models : The patchs have been submitted. | 14:34 |
| zhonghua-lee | @saggi, it's just my suggestion :) | 14:34 |
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| gampel | zhonghua-lee: no problem just add in the etherpad where you think that we should add more info | 14:35 |
| saggi | chenying_: I saw, I'll get to review those soon. I'm still finding my way around the Gerrit redesign :) . | 14:35 |
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| saggi | gampel: +1 | 14:35 |
| zhonghua-lee | @gampel ok, i will | 14:35 |
| gampel | #topic Scheduler service design status | 14:36 |
| gampel | Saggi can you please share your plans with regards Scheduler design | 14:36 |
| chenying_ | Scheduler service: base service class has been done. smaug-scheduler base service will be done this week. | 14:36 |
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| gampel | as saggi said before we need to make sure we send the design spec before the coding | 14:37 |
| chenzeng | i agree | 14:37 |
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| saggi | I will try and get something up today. We need to remember that the scheduler service should be replaceable similar to other schedulers in openstack. | 14:38 |
| saggi | Even by third party. Some enterprises might just want to use Smaug's low level APIs and do all the scheduling policy and tiering themselves. | 14:39 |
| gampel | the main blocks are the Trigger engine , the Operation Exe and how to handle high availability | 14:41 |
| zengyingzhe_ | saggi, do you consider the scenario that schedule service crashed? | 14:42 |
| zengyingzhe_ | This is about HA, like gampel said. | 14:42 |
| saggi | Yes, it's very important to handle that since it handles high level operations like multiple deletion | 14:42 |
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| zhonghua-lee | is it too early to think about HA? | 14:43 |
| saggi | zhonghua-lee: I think we should keep it in mind. We might not implement it for V1 but we should know that we can. | 14:43 |
| gampel | saggi +1 | 14:43 |
| smcginnis | I can say thinking about it up front will be a lot easier than trying to fit it in after the fact. ;) | 14:44 |
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| gampel | saggi: when do you think you could provide the high level design block for the Scheduler service | 14:44 |
| zhonghua-lee | i think HA is a big solution | 14:44 |
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| gampel | smcginnis: i agree it must be in the design | 14:45 |
| smcginnis | zhonghua-lee: Yeah, just keeping it in mind so it's not a major redesign down the road to add it will help safe some headache. | 14:45 |
| smcginnis | s/safe/save/ | 14:45 |
| zhonghua-lee | smcginnis yeah, i totally agree with you | 14:46 |
| saggi | I will have some preliminary UML up tomorrow. | 14:46 |
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| gampel | #action saggi provide high level design block for the Scheduler service | 14:47 |
| saggi | A base from which we could build on | 14:47 |
| gampel | I think yinwei started working on the Protection service design | 14:48 |
| chenying_ | yes yinwei is working on Protection service design. | 14:48 |
| chenzeng | I have a question, why does the schedule service interact with DB? | 14:48 |
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| saggi | chenzeng: It needs a place to save all the triggers and track transactions. It might even have it's own DB in the future. | 14:49 |
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| zhonghua-lee | gampel: yes, but it seems she has a lot of questions about the relationship between API and Protection service. | 14:49 |
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| gampel | chenzeng: it is not the same tables as the API/plan and it could be a different DB as saggi said | 14:50 |
| saggi | zhonghua-lee: She can find me on IRC or ask on the API patch. If there are some stuff that are unclear we would probably want to modify the documentation so it's clearer anyway. | 14:50 |
| chenzeng | ok. | 14:50 |
| zengyingzhe_ | Is this the decoupling purpose? Use different DB. | 14:50 |
| zhonghua-lee | saggi: ok , i will talk to her | 14:51 |
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| chenzeng | it means the schedule service need DB to store its own information? | 14:51 |
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| saggi | Yes, we would like it not to depend on the API service for operation. | 14:51 |
| gampel | zengyingzhe_: it is completely different data operational not policy | 14:52 |
| zengyingzhe_ | I see | 14:52 |
| gampel | in the V1 we could use the same DB just different tables all together | 14:52 |
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| smcginnis | Scheduler is a bit of an overloaded term in this case. Everywhere else in OS it is as in task placement. | 14:53 |
| chenzeng | understand | 14:53 |
| smcginnis | In this case it is scheduler as in time scheduler. | 14:53 |
| smcginnis | Or perhaps both. | 14:53 |
| smcginnis | If I'm making any sense. :) | 14:53 |
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| saggi | smcginnis: It also tracks the tasks and does transactions. | 14:53 |
| gampel | smcginnis: i agree we might need to find a better name for the service but it will do the automatic operation work flow as well | 14:54 |
| saggi | smcginnis: For example, if you scheduled to delete all checkpoints older than 10 days. It will query the protection provider and issues and track all the deletions. | 14:54 |
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| smcginnis | saggi: True. So just pointing out that for folks coming from other projects, it may not be clear right away that it is not just something that takes a request and routes it to where it needs to be executed. | 14:55 |
| smcginnis | It is much more in this case. | 14:55 |
| smcginnis | So that either just needs to be pointed out or documented, or it could possibly be called something else and broken out separately from the "traditional" scheduler concept of other openstack projects. | 14:56 |
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| zengyingzhe_ | saggi, you mean schedule service is also a monitor? | 14:57 |
| saggi | smcginnis: No one reads the docs :) I will try and think of a better name. Maybe PlicyEnfocer ? | 14:57 |
| gampel | #action saggi, gampel find alternative name for the scheduler service(ideas are welcome ) | 14:57 |
| smcginnis | saggi: Very true! ;) | 14:57 |
| smcginnis | PolicyEnforcer, TaskManager, ExecutionEngine, ... | 14:57 |
| smcginnis | No idea what works best. :-D | 14:57 |
| saggi | zengyingzhe_: It will monitor the only the automatic tasks. Checkpoints that were invoked manually will have to be tracked manually. | 14:57 |
| chenzeng | saggi:does the schedule service interact with DB when it is running? | 14:58 |
| saggi | Yes, for example if it failed to run a backup it will have to make the execution as failed. | 14:59 |
| saggi | It will also need to keep state about the transaction | 14:59 |
| gampel | we are almost out of time i suggest saggi will have the design up for review tomorrow and we could continue there | 14:59 |
| saggi | gampel: _1 | 14:59 |
| saggi | +1 | 14:59 |
| gampel | Please look in the patches Open for review | 14:59 |
| chenzeng | +1 | 14:59 |
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| gampel | thank you every one | 14:59 |
| saggi | Just while I still have everyone's attention | 14:59 |
| zhonghua-lee | thank you | 15:00 |
| saggi | If I missed you comment on the API send it again. | 15:00 |
| chenzeng | thanks | 15:00 |
| zengyingzhe_ | Thanks. Bye. | 15:00 |
| saggi | Thanks you everybody | 15:00 |
| chenying_ | Thanks you all. | 15:00 |
| smcginnis | Thanks. | 15:00 |
| saggi | and thanks smcginnis for joining. We appreciate you experience. | 15:00 |
| saggi | your | 15:00 |
| smcginnis | Glad to! | 15:00 |
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| gampel | yes thank you very much please let us know if the time is good for you | 15:01 |
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| smcginnis | Yeah, this works well. | 15:01 |
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| gampel | bye everyone happy holidays | 15:01 |
| gampel | #endmeeting | 15:02 |
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| smcginnis | The bot must be affected by the infra issues too. That's too bad. | 15:03 |
| gampel | :) | 15:03 |
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| asselin__ | #startmeeting third-party | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 22 17:00:33 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is asselin__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 17:00 |
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| asselin__ | anyone here for 3rd party ci working group meeting? | 17:01 |
| mmedvede | asselin__: hi | 17:01 |
| asselin__ | hi mmedvede | 17:01 |
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| asselin__ | ok, I guess just the 2 of us for now... | 17:03 |
| asselin__ | @link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ThirdParty#12.2F22.2F15_1700_UTC | 17:03 |
| asselin__ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ThirdParty#12.2F22.2F15_1700_UTC | 17:03 |
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| asselin__ | #topic announcements | 17:03 |
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| asselin__ | I don't have any announcements this time | 17:04 |
| asselin__ | mmedvede, you? | 17:04 |
| mmedvede | me neither | 17:04 |
| asselin__ | #topic action items | 17:04 |
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| asselin__ | #link previous action items: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-12-08-17.05.html | 17:04 |
| asselin__ | "ci-watch next steps is to add some unit tests" | 17:05 |
| asselin__ | any updates? | 17:05 |
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| mmedvede | no | 17:05 |
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| asselin__ | "mmedvede to compare oslotest and testtools" | 17:05 |
| mmedvede | so oslotest is mostly a wrapper around testtools, it adds a few features we might find useful | 17:06 |
| asselin__ | like what? | 17:06 |
| mmedvede | it is lightweight. Downside is that it adds extra dependency that we do not need - osclient | 17:06 |
| mmedvede | features like ability to timeout a long-running test, tempfile creation, logging configuration | 17:08 |
| asselin__ | those are nice | 17:08 |
| mmedvede | I suggest that because oslotest is already configured to be used in ciwatch through cookiecutter template, we use it | 17:08 |
| mmedvede | if we find it useless, can throw it away and just continue to use testtools | 17:09 |
| asselin__ | how difficult is it to switch between the two? | 17:09 |
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| mmedvede | does not look hard | 17:10 |
| mmedvede | oslotest is still testtools | 17:10 |
| ja3 | sorry, turns out if I'm not looking at the screen for a while I don't see the reminder pop-ups | 17:11 |
| asselin__ | ok, I have no objections | 17:11 |
| asselin__ | hi ja3 | 17:11 |
| mmedvede | hi ja3 | 17:11 |
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| asselin__ | for my action " asselin to created initial blueprints for desired features." | 17:12 |
| asselin__ | I took a look at launchpad and it requires a bit of pre-setup. | 17:13 |
| asselin__ | unfortunately I did it after the last meeting and didn't write it down, so I don't remember the details. | 17:13 |
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| asselin__ | so I'll work on that for the next meeting | 17:14 |
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| asselin__ | #topic CI Watch | 17:14 |
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| asselin__ | anything to discuss here? | 17:14 |
| mmedvede | asselin__: on this patch - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/258125/ | 17:15 |
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| mmedvede | I was hesitant to +2, as it does more globals. But again, not much can be done before making things like that into classes | 17:17 |
| asselin__ | yeah I was looking to see how to make them constants, but that's a bit more involved in python. | 17:18 |
| mmedvede | It is not really more involved if the codebase was cleaner | 17:18 |
| asselin__ | do you think we should refactor it into a class with this change or afterwards? | 17:19 |
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| mmedvede | asselin__: so what do you think, should we do an exception and merge it? The patch definitely makes the code a bit more dirty, even though it is fixing the problem. | 17:20 |
| ja3 | which is the lesser evil IYO, the degree of incremental dirtniness introduced or getting the problem fixed sooner? | 17:21 |
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| asselin__ | I don't think it's really any more dirty. When we do the refactor, those globals just become part of the class. | 17:21 |
| ja3 | If smaller easier-to-review patches are preferred, then separating them seems the logical choice. If you buy separation, then the only question is which order (which nets out to how long are you willing to wait for a Cleaner solution). | 17:22 |
| mmedvede | ja3: there is balance. My reason tells me incremental dirtiness is more evil | 17:22 |
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| ja3 | is anyone actually blocked waiting for a fix? | 17:22 |
| mmedvede | ja3: no | 17:23 |
| mmedvede | not a blocking change | 17:23 |
| mmedvede | asselin__: if we agree not to introduce more things like these, I agree | 17:23 |
| asselin__ | apoorva's not around. we can discuss it offline when he's around | 17:24 |
| mmedvede | but if they stay, mere existence of globals would lead to people adding more of them | 17:24 |
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| asselin__ | yes, and globals tend to be inevitable until you have classes | 17:25 |
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| asselin__ | so this is the only outstanding patch. lgtm and focus on unit tests and classes, but of which play hand-in-hand. | 17:27 |
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| mmedvede | asselin__: there is another one, looks like good improvement | 17:28 |
| mmedvede | #link https://review.openstack.org/260193 | 17:28 |
| asselin__ | yeah js change, looking at that now | 17:28 |
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| mmedvede | pretty straight-forward | 17:29 |
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| mmedvede | that is it for ciwatch | 17:29 |
| asselin__ | #topic Common-CI Solution | 17:29 |
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| asselin__ | I've been working on getting the common-ci docs published | 17:30 |
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| ja3 | asselin | 17:30 |
| asselin__ | #link publish common-ci docs : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/259245/ | 17:30 |
| asselin__ | it's a bit of a big change, but much of it is autogenerated ^^ | 17:31 |
| ja3 | #@$(&# client. asselin__, I think we'll be ready to consume those in Jan. I finally am getting clean runs on full-tempest on the z/VM internal CI. | 17:31 |
| asselin__ | if someone knows a better way to do this, let me know | 17:31 |
| * mmedvede looking at 259245 | 17:32 | |
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| mmedvede | asselin__: it looks like how other projects generate docs, so that should be the way | 17:34 |
| asselin__ | mmedvede, ok cool thanks | 17:35 |
| asselin__ | I ran a recheck which will run the job to generate the docs | 17:35 |
| mmedvede | ah, ok. That was my question, because actually publishing the docs is done through jenkins job | 17:36 |
| asselin__ | once that looks good I'm planning to remove the contrib/README.md file. | 17:36 |
| mmedvede | I assume it was added | 17:36 |
| asselin__ | mmedvede, yes | 17:36 |
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| asselin__ | #link patch to publish common-ci docs once it's merged: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/259587/ | 17:37 |
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| asselin__ | #link | 17:37 |
| asselin__ | Remove logstash/elasticsearch classes, use puppet-openstackci https://review.openstack.org/#/c/240011/ | 17:38 |
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| asselin__ | #link Remove logstash/elasticsearch classes, use puppet-openstackci https://review.openstack.org/#/c/240011/ | 17:38 |
| mmedvede | ja3: that is good to hear | 17:38 |
| mmedvede | asselin__: that one I need to look at | 17:38 |
| ja3 | misha, are you running loganalyze today? | 17:38 |
| mmedvede | was in my queue for a while now | 17:38 |
| asselin__ | mmedvede, whould be nice to get this merged ^^ I think we'll have to ping more infra roots | 17:39 |
| mmedvede | ja3: no, we do not run loganalise internally | 17:39 |
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| mmedvede | asselin__: pls hold on on pinging them, I need to make sure the patch is still valid, and address your comments | 17:40 |
| asselin__ | mmedvede, yes, of course :) | 17:40 |
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| asselin__ | ok that's it from common-ci | 17:41 |
| mmedvede | asselin__: in retrospect, I went the wrong way about that move. It was too big of a change to be made outside of sprint | 17:41 |
| asselin__ | mmedvede, what does that mean? | 17:41 |
| mmedvede | it is hard to get merge, because the original is changing | 17:42 |
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| mmedvede | there is no freeze. The better strategy is to make changes in system-config first, and then move | 17:43 |
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| asselin__ | but then you have the issue the other way around | 17:44 |
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| mmedvede | I do not think so. We can discuss it later, I might not be explaining myself clearly :) | 17:46 |
| asselin__ | sure | 17:46 |
| asselin__ | #topic open discussion | 17:46 |
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| asselin__ | anything else to discuss from anyone? | 17:47 |
| ja3 | Just the heads up I pretty much gave before on z/VM's CI status. | 17:47 |
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| asselin__ | ja3, which CI solution is used for that? | 17:47 |
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| mmedvede | ja3: are you planning to start reporting? | 17:48 |
| ja3 | We're running the full zuul/etc superstructure, 660 passing 236 skipped by testr 15 skipped by regex (no tempest.conf mechanism we can find... aka patching opp) | 17:48 |
| ja3 | asselin__, nova and neutron plugins for z/VM which is a mainframe hypervisor... the oldest one actually | 17:49 |
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| ja3 | misha, reporting is going to be a while I suspect. we're squatting on 2 x86 boxes for everything above z/vm (zuul et al. plus the controller), both the same age (past EOL), and one of them went casters up this month. | 17:50 |
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| ja3 | I had x86 servers already in the pipe, but now we're constrained again. We could sandbox vote but don't have the width for prod. | 17:51 |
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| ja3 | We also have to procure a log server, which shouldn't be a huge deal I'm starting to work on that now but with the time of year... ugh it probably won't progress too far until Jan. | 17:52 |
| asselin__ | ja3, where will you host the log server? | 17:52 |
| ja3 | asselin__, softlayer as a swift server. | 17:53 |
| mmedvede | We are using swift container to host logs (currently on SoftLayer) | 17:53 |
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| mmedvede | ja3: oh, so you are doing the same | 17:53 |
| asselin__ | my previous team is looking for another place now that hpcloud is going away. | 17:53 |
| ja3 | we're pretty much required to use softlayer for hosting; and it has several advantages for us actually, like having Someone Else worry about security patching | 17:54 |
| mmedvede | +1 for someone else :) | 17:54 |
| asselin__ | haven't tried swift yet for log server. | 17:54 |
| mmedvede | asselin__: it is mostly worry-free. I did have to hack zuul a bit | 17:54 |
| ja3 | I got instructions from Kurt (about a year old), but of course the process has changed with the intergalactic re-org right after his email. | 17:55 |
| asselin__ | mmedvede, zuul doesn't support it directly? | 17:55 |
| mmedvede | asselin__: it does support it. But it does not support what I wanted to do (change container path a bit). The fix is simple, but still did not merge | 17:56 |
| mmedvede | #link improve swift flexibility in zuul https://review.openstack.org/#/c/229582/ | 17:56 |
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| asselin__ | thanks, I'll take another look | 17:57 |
| asselin__ | anything else? | 17:57 |
| ja3 | not from me | 17:57 |
| mmedvede | same here | 17:58 |
| asselin__ | wish everyone a happy holiday and new year! | 17:58 |
| mmedvede | +100 | 17:58 |
| asselin__ | see you next year | 17:58 |
| asselin__ | #endmeeting | 17:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 22 17:58:58 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-12-22-17.00.html | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-12-22-17.00.txt | 17:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-12-22-17.00.log.html | 17:59 |
| ja3 | tschuss | 17:59 |
| mmedvede | asselin__: quick Q - there is some confusion with odd/even weeks | 17:59 |
| ja3 | heh | 17:59 |
| mmedvede | so we need to watch for that | 17:59 |
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| mmedvede | two odd weeks back-to-back | 17:59 |
| asselin__ | oh really? | 18:00 |
| ja3 | maybe post the date of the very first mtg of the year on the wiki? | 18:00 |
| stevemar | o/ | 18:00 |
| breton | o/ | 18:00 |
| bknudson_ | hi | 18:00 |
| asselin__ | let's take it to #openstack-third-party-ci | 18:00 |
| stevemar | #startmeeting keystone | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 22 18:00:29 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is stevemar. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:00 |
| stevemar | i can't imagine this taking very long... the agenda is empty :) | 18:00 |
| stevemar | #topic open discussion | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:01 | |
| raildo | o/ | 18:01 |
| notmorgan | i move that we cancel the rest of the meeting | 18:01 |
| notmorgan | and enjoy holidays | 18:01 |
| gyee | ++ | 18:01 |
| breton | > holidays | 18:01 |
| breton | in soviet russia it's a usual day | 18:01 |
| notmorgan | and the same thing for next week | 18:01 |
| notmorgan | in advance | 18:01 |
| stevemar | notmorgan: i'll be around to redo this dance :P | 18:02 |
| gyee | I don't believe in Santa anymore | 18:02 |
| notmorgan | stevemar: call it early | 18:02 |
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| notmorgan | stevemar: just ML aannounce no meeting until post nye :) | 18:02 |
| notmorgan | stevemar: eaaaasy | 18:02 |
| stevemar | alright, i actually did want to chat about stable branches, but i can chat with bknudson_ in -keystone | 18:03 |
| stevemar | no need for a meeting | 18:03 |
| bknudson_ | getting rid of stable branches? | 18:03 |
| stevemar | bknudson_: fixing them :( | 18:03 |
| bknudson_ | stable is broken? | 18:03 |
| gyee | stevemar, bknudson_, aren't we going to decide on the request-id thingy? | 18:03 |
| bknudson_ | we could decide on request-id | 18:03 |
| notmorgan | man... you all should be vacationing :P | 18:04 |
| stevemar | bknudson_: link? | 18:04 |
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| stevemar | notmorgan: you're more than welcome to vacationize early :D | 18:04 |
| bknudson_ | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/python-keystoneclient/+spec/return-request-id-to-caller | 18:04 |
| bknudson_ | blueprint for keystoneclient | 18:04 |
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| bknudson_ | this is so that applications can get the request ID | 18:05 |
| bknudson_ | so for example if something goes wrong they can correlate the request with the keystone logs | 18:05 |
| breton | > users['request_ids'] | 18:05 |
| breton | why not users.request_ids? | 18:06 |
| bknudson_ | it's a cross-project spec | 18:06 |
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| bknudson_ | I don't know why it says users['request_ids'] | 18:06 |
| stevemar | breton: could use that too | 18:06 |
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| stevemar | implementation details :P | 18:06 |
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| stevemar | so i agree it's worth doing | 18:07 |
| bknudson_ | according to the cross-project spec it's .request_ids | 18:07 |
| stevemar | not quite sure how to do it, but that's not my problem | 18:07 |
| breton | bknudson_: yep, checked that too | 18:07 |
| stevemar | what's the hold up? we need someone to do it? | 18:07 |
| bknudson_ | I assume there will be a library | 18:07 |
| stevemar | there's always a library | 18:07 |
| stevemar | any server side changes? | 18:08 |
| gyee | client have full access to the headers | 18:08 |
| bknudson_ | Maho Koshiya assigned himself | 18:08 |
| bknudson_ | we've already got request ID middleware in the server. | 18:08 |
| gyee | bknudson_, but we don't log them right? | 18:09 |
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| gyee | or in CADF | 18:09 |
| bknudson_ | gyee: request IDs are logged now by default | 18:09 |
| bknudson_ | gyee: here's an example: http://logs.openstack.org/86/256986/6/check/gate-tempest-dsvm-full/edf2cb7/logs/apache/keystone.txt.gz#_2015-12-22_17_14_34_990839 | 18:10 |
| bknudson_ | INFO keystone.common.wsgi [req-1e5147fb-d2c6-4dab-b3e7-254db496c25f - - - - -] GET http://127.0.0.1:35357/v3/domains/default | 18:10 |
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| bknudson_ | I made the change to get the request ID in the logs | 18:11 |
| gyee | good | 18:11 |
| navidp | bknudson_, ++ | 18:11 |
| bknudson_ | so if we make it available to the clients and then eventually print it out when there are errors ... | 18:12 |
| bknudson_ | deployers might be able to figure out problems | 18:12 |
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| bknudson_ | the question is do we need a spec for the ksc work or not? | 18:12 |
| bknudson_ | or do we go blueprint-only | 18:12 |
| stevemar | blueprint only seems fine to me | 18:13 |
| bknudson_ | I prefer bp-only since there's already a x-proj spec | 18:13 |
| stevemar | is there already a x-proj.... yeah | 18:13 |
| stevemar | bp only it is! | 18:13 |
| stevemar | i'll mark it as approved | 18:13 |
| gyee | do it! | 18:14 |
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| stevemar | done! | 18:14 |
| gyee | wow that's efficiency | 18:15 |
| stevemar | i wanted to talk about our stable gate for keystonemiddleware | 18:15 |
| stevemar | i saw this happen a week ago: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/256039/ | 18:15 |
| bknudson_ | :) | 18:15 |
| bknudson_ | :( | 18:15 |
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| stevemar | seems like the latest release of pycadf messed things up | 18:16 |
| bknudson_ | payload = req.environ['cadf_event'].as_dict() | 18:16 |
| stevemar | yep | 18:16 |
| bknudson_ | there's no 'cadf_event' anymore? | 18:16 |
| stevemar | bknudson_: not just that, it's the use of a deprecated bit, i think | 18:17 |
| bknudson_ | or is it raising due to the deprecaion? | 18:17 |
| stevemar | i proposed to backport this patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/258284/ | 18:17 |
| bknudson_ | just change the test to say that deprecation is expected in that test | 18:17 |
| stevemar | you can see gordc's comments about it | 18:17 |
| stevemar | bknudson_: that would have to be a liberty only change no? | 18:18 |
| bknudson_ | stevemar: yes, liberty-only | 18:18 |
| bknudson_ | although the backport makes sense too | 18:18 |
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| bknudson_ | it's fixing a bug, right? | 18:18 |
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| stevemar | bknudson_: not really, pycadf decided to create valid UUIDs for the event IDs going forward | 18:19 |
| stevemar | and that makes it backwards incompatible | 18:19 |
| stevemar | we could also cap the library | 18:19 |
| breton | what's the problem with capping? | 18:20 |
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| bknudson_ | safest is just to disable the deprecation check for that test | 18:20 |
| bknudson_ | we've had all sorts of problems with capping. we'd try to cap something and then some other uncapped lib would pull in a newer version anyways. | 18:21 |
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| stevemar | yeah, just wanted to lay out all our options | 18:21 |
| stevemar | none are pretty :) | 18:22 |
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| stevemar | okay, we'll fix the tests for ksm | 18:23 |
| stevemar | now more good news, KSA is also broken for liberty | 18:23 |
| stevemar | http://logs.openstack.org/18/258318/1/check/gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-src-keystoneauth/2d22945/logs/screen-g-api.txt.gz | 18:23 |
| stevemar | proposal bot patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/258318/ | 18:23 |
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| bknudson_ | weird | 18:23 |
| stevemar | maybe it's cause it is pulling in an uncapped ksm that is using ksa options? | 18:24 |
| stevemar | haven't dug into this one too much | 18:24 |
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| stevemar | bknudson_: anywho, seems like it's just you and i | 18:27 |
| stevemar | calling it early, we can figure out the stable stuff in -keystone later on today | 18:27 |
| bknudson_ | ok | 18:27 |
| stevemar | thanks for coming gyee and breton | 18:27 |
| stevemar | notmorgan you are free to leave now :P | 18:27 |
| gyee | happy holidays | 18:27 |
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| stevemar | happy holidays everyone ;0 | 18:28 |
| stevemar | :) | 18:28 |
| navidp | happy holidays | 18:28 |
| bknudson_ | happy festivus | 18:28 |
| stevemar | next week is canceled, i'll send out a note to the ML about it :) | 18:28 |
| stevemar | #endmeeting | 18:28 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 22 18:28:36 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:28 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2015/keystone.2015-12-22-18.00.html | 18:28 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2015/keystone.2015-12-22-18.00.txt | 18:28 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2015/keystone.2015-12-22-18.00.log.html | 18:28 |
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| Neronfapper | Hi there | 18:30 |
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| fungi | infra team, assemble! | 19:00 |
| AJaeger | \o/ | 19:00 |
| * Clint coughs. | 19:00 | |
| pabelanger | o/ | 19:00 |
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| clarkb | hello | 19:01 |
| fungi | i expect most of the meeting will be open discussion, so don't mind starting a few minutes late while people free up | 19:01 |
| jeblair | howdy | 19:01 |
| jesusaurus | o/ | 19:01 |
| * dougwig lurks. | 19:01 | |
| pleia2 | o/ | 19:02 |
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| fungi | #startmeeting infra | 19:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 22 19:03:08 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is fungi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:03 |
| crinkle | o/ | 19:03 |
| fungi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:03 |
| fungi | #topic Announcements | 19:03 |
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| fungi | #info Tentative deadline for infra-cloud sprint registrations is Friday, January | 19:03 |
| fungi | grr, stray newline | 19:03 |
| fungi | #undo | 19:03 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Info object at 0xad58ed0> | 19:03 |
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| jeblair | january is short next year i guess | 19:04 |
| fungi | january is a friday | 19:04 |
| * anteaya calls the stray newline catcher | 19:04 | |
| AJaeger | jeblair: just a week long | 19:04 |
| pleia2 | well, last day is a sunday, I set date for friday | 19:04 |
| fungi | #info Tentative deadline for infra-cloud sprint registrations is Friday, January 29, 2016. | 19:04 |
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| pleia2 | heh, there we go | 19:04 |
| fungi | #info HPE is catering lunches at the infra-cloud sprint; please update your registration with any dietary restrictions. | 19:04 |
| fungi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2015-December/003602.html | 19:04 |
| fungi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints/InfraMitakaSprint | 19:05 |
| fungi | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:05 |
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| fungi | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2015/infra.2015-12-15-19.03.html | 19:05 |
| fungi | there were none, all completed successfully | 19:06 |
| fungi | #topic Specs approval | 19:06 |
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| nibalizer | o/ | 19:06 |
| fungi | none approved last week, none on the agenda as proposed this week | 19:06 |
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| fungi | #topic Priority Efforts: Gerrit 2.11 Upgrade | 19:06 |
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| fungi | #info The OpenStack Gerrit instance at review.openstack.org has been upgraded from 2.8 to 2.11 | 19:07 |
| fungi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-December/082492.html | 19:07 |
| fungi | this went great, kudos to zaro for coordinating and all the others who helped prepare for and execute the maintenance work! | 19:07 |
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| fungi | so, are we ready to close out the standing agenda item for this priority effort and move the spec into the completed list? | 19:07 |
| jeblair | we're still running it! | 19:07 |
| clarkb | fungi: +1 | 19:08 |
| pleia2 | yay, no rollback | 19:08 |
| clarkb | direct all UI complaints upstream | 19:08 |
| AJaeger | ;) | 19:08 |
| anteaya | I'm fine with closing the agenda item | 19:08 |
| fungi | indeed, haven't given up in disgust and downgraded, or rage-coded a gerrit replacement just yet | 19:08 |
| dougwig | clarkb: haha. | 19:08 |
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| clarkb | maybe if it isn't just a few of those crazy infra people the message will get across | 19:08 |
| fungi | #action fungi remove standing Priority Effort meeting agenda item for "Gerrit 2.11 Upgrade" | 19:08 |
| fungi | who wants to write that change to openstack-infra/infra-specs? | 19:08 |
| dougwig | clarkb: it'll just drive more users to gertty. | 19:09 |
| fungi | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/specs/gerrit-2.11.html | 19:09 |
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| AJaeger | fungi, I can... | 19:09 |
| fungi | #action AJaeger move gerrit-2.11 spec to the implemented list | 19:09 |
| fungi | thanks! | 19:09 |
| nibalizer | i've set up a polygerrit again, this time pointing at review.o.o http://polygerrit.nibalizer.com/ | 19:09 |
| fungi | #link http://polygerrit.nibalizer.com/ | 19:10 |
| nibalizer | I think it would be valuable for infra to run a polygerrit sortof offiically, what do you all think? | 19:10 |
| anteaya | nibalizer: that is beautiful | 19:10 |
| nibalizer | I think it could help motivate people to work on the gerrit UI | 19:10 |
| fungi | as long as someone (hint: you?) wants to take the lead on maintaining it and keeping it freshly updated, i don't see a downside | 19:10 |
| jeblair | isn't it a bit early? | 19:10 |
| nibalizer | jeblair: its way too early for it to be usable | 19:10 |
| clarkb | nibalizer: it requires another (unneeded) service right? | 19:10 |
| fungi | but yeah, does seem like you're likely to get cut by the bleeding edge there | 19:11 |
| anteaya | I think it would raise unreasonable expectations | 19:11 |
| anteaya | and just but pressure on you | 19:11 |
| nibalizer | someone might show up expecting it to work... then be dissapointed | 19:11 |
| anteaya | exactly | 19:11 |
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| anteaya | if folks are interested they can do what you did and stand one up themselves | 19:11 |
| fungi | good point, we wouldn't want it to look at all official or supported if the goal is to provide it as a motivational preview | 19:12 |
| anteaya | but it is beautiful | 19:12 |
| nibalizer | what we found with puppetboard was that just having the public opensatck one visible drew in users and contributors | 19:12 |
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| jeblair | i think if we want to do it, we should be really careful in how we announce it (possibly by not announcing it), and in some way make it really clear that it's *highly* experimental | 19:12 |
| fungi | but perhaps some instructional documentation on running your own polygerrit for testing purposes is a reasonable compromise, if their documentation isn't tailored to make that a simple-ish task | 19:12 |
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| anteaya | I favour instructions for running your own polygerrit, then people can begin there | 19:13 |
| fungi | rather, documentation on pointing your own polygerrit at our gerrit server | 19:13 |
| nibalizer | ok | 19:13 |
| anteaya | then reassess after that has been out a while | 19:13 |
| fungi | clearly instructions just about running polygerrit belong upstream instead | 19:13 |
| anteaya | fungi: yes, that | 19:13 |
| jeblair | nibalizer: perhaps circulating a blog post like "here's how i set up a polygerrit to point at openstack and started hacking on it" | 19:14 |
| anteaya | I can't see us getting bitten nearly as bad by telling folks how to run their own | 19:14 |
| nibalizer | jeblair: oh thats a good idea | 19:14 |
| fungi | could even just start out as an ml thread about how to test polygerrit with our gerrit and then get refined into a short howto later | 19:14 |
| fungi | er, yeah, what jeblair said if you s/blog/ml/ | 19:14 |
| * fungi forgets some people have blogs | 19:14 | |
| nibalizer | okay, I'll do that stuff | 19:14 |
| jeblair | nibalizer: or a series of 500 instructional tweets ;) | 19:15 |
| * jeblair may not have the knack of social media yet | 19:15 | |
| clarkb | jeblair: thats how all the cool kids do it these days | 19:15 |
| nibalizer | jeblair: I think you've got it | 19:15 |
| jeblair | awesome | 19:15 |
| nibalizer | steal this one https://twitter.com/corvus | 19:15 |
| fungi | if you compress and then uuencode your tweets you might be able to get it down to 300 | 19:15 |
| * fungi may be mistaking twitter for usenet | 19:16 | |
| jeblair | that may or may not be me, hard to tell | 19:16 |
| pleia2 | hehe | 19:16 |
| nibalizer | ok, I will make some kind of blog post or ML post trying to get the polygerrit buzz going | 19:16 |
| pleia2 | I'll help spread the word, as I do | 19:16 |
| anteaya | you do a good job at that | 19:16 |
| fungi | yes, enthusiasm for polygerrit and community insertion during the design phase seems like a net win to me, so however we can do that without, as anteaya says, setting unreasonable expectations with our users | 19:16 |
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| nibalizer | cool | 19:18 |
| fungi | okay, anything else in this, our hopefully final, installment of the gerrit upgrade priority effort agenda topic? (until 2.12!) | 19:18 |
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| jeblair | i wondered how close we are to being able to CD | 19:18 |
| fungi | i guess it wouldn't hurt to prognosticate a little about gerrit release timelines | 19:18 |
| fungi | yeah, cd might also be interesting | 19:18 |
| jeblair | but probably no one here can answer that | 19:18 |
| jeblair | i guess online reindex is required.. | 19:19 |
| anteaya | I can not answer that | 19:19 |
| jeblair | so maybe it's update to 2.12 then talk about cd? | 19:19 |
| anteaya | when is 2.12 scheduled to be out? | 19:19 |
| clarkb | we probably also need to invest in better upstream tests to keep broken out of our pipeline | 19:19 |
| jeblair | yesterday? | 19:19 |
| fungi | also should we consider updating to the latest 2.11 point release (and dropping some of our patches if fixed there)? | 19:19 |
| anteaya | oh did it? | 19:20 |
| * clarkb worries about another occurence of major jgit but that no one acknowledges exists \ | 19:20 | |
| jeblair | don't know, but that was the plan | 19:20 |
| Clint | anteaya: https://gerrit-documentation.storage.googleapis.com/ReleaseNotes/ReleaseNotes-2.12.html | 19:20 |
| jeblair | 16 hours ago | 19:20 |
| clarkb | I think they do have CI now, so probably just a matte rof writing tests | 19:20 |
| fungi | how late in the cycle do we feel is too late to do an upgrade to 2.12? are we past that point and should plan for an upgrade in early niborg? | 19:21 |
| cody-somerville | \o_ | 19:21 |
| anteaya | Clint: thank you | 19:21 |
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| fungi | nihilism | 19:21 |
| fungi | (whatever name you voted for) | 19:21 |
| clarkb | newton | 19:21 |
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| fungi | negatory | 19:22 |
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| anteaya | fungi: I'm for reviewing the feature set and seeing if there is anything that can't wait until early niborg | 19:22 |
| anteaya | but leaning toward early niborg | 19:22 |
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| fungi | yeah, we're getting into the busy timr for this cycle once the holidays wrap up, so i feel like we should plan for may-ish | 19:23 |
| fungi | s/timr/time/ | 19:23 |
| jeblair | probably 1st week of jan is as far as i'd want to stretch it | 19:23 |
| fungi | and that seems like a pretty short planning window, especially with most of us awol between now and then | 19:24 |
| pabelanger | Clint: signed commits looks nice | 19:25 |
| anteaya | yeah, I'm kind of tired from supporting this one, not that I did much, not sure I how much energy I could scrape together with another upgrade week of Jan 1 | 19:25 |
| fungi | you can push signed commits into gerrit now (and some people already do), but you can't easily enforce them yet | 19:25 |
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| anteaya | I vote for may-ish | 19:25 |
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| fungi | and i'm unconvinced signing every commit is worth the additional overhead, though that's a discussion for another time | 19:26 |
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| jeblair | dropping the merge queue is nice | 19:26 |
| jeblair | as is online reindex | 19:26 |
| clarkb | fungi: right and nothing prevents you from doing it now aiui | 19:26 |
| clarkb | jeblair: can we not drop the merge queue with 2.11? | 19:26 |
| fungi | yeah, online reindex is going to be great | 19:26 |
| jeblair | that will make our downtimes, both for renames and the upgrado to 2.12 faster | 19:26 |
| jeblair | er shorter :) | 19:26 |
| nibalizer | signing every commit would be :( for me | 19:27 |
| jeblair | clarkb: erm, i don't think they removed the merge queue until 2.12 | 19:27 |
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| nibalizer | having our release pipeline verify sigs against a keyring would be cool (though unrelated to this) | 19:27 |
| clarkb | jeblair: maybe I misunderstood, I meant the zuul merge pipeline | 19:27 |
| clarkb | jeblair: we can remove that with 2.11 | 19:27 |
| jeblair | clarkb: yes, if someone adds mergeability as a pipeline requirement to gate | 19:27 |
| fungi | nibalizer: yeah, you end up with your signing key perpetually hot in the gpg agent, if you're constantly committing stuff, or typing your passphrase continually | 19:28 |
| clarkb | jeblair: right needs extra checks to implement but doable with 2.11 | 19:28 |
| fungi | neither of which is necessarily great for keeping the key secured | 19:28 |
| krotscheck | o/ | 19:28 |
| jeblair | clarkb: the merge queue in gerrit is the thing that caused 'submitted, merge pending' to happen | 19:28 |
| clarkb | jeblair: ah | 19:28 |
| jeblair | clarkb: in 2.12 merges are instantaneous success/failure | 19:28 |
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| jesusaurus | does the gerrit mergeability report back quickly, or will the change keep a +1 until it is approved? | 19:29 |
| fungi | nibalizer: and tag signature validation is a planned follow-on to the current artifact signing spec | 19:29 |
| clarkb | jesusaurus: I beleive it happens as part of the processing for a push | 19:29 |
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| jesusaurus | imo its useful to get the immediate feedback of a -1 as soon as the patch is in conflict | 19:29 |
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| clarkb | with the one shot background task as part of upgrading to fill in that data | 19:30 |
| nibalizer | fungi: excellent | 19:30 |
| jeblair | jesusaurus: i'm not sure about the time. it is intended to be fast, however, it is a background task. it is probably faster than zuul. | 19:30 |
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| jesusaurus | jeblair: clarkb awesome | 19:31 |
| jeblair | clarkb: it still has to test all open changes, just like zuul does | 19:31 |
| jeblair | clarkb: so it's implemented with a background process and queue | 19:31 |
| clarkb | jeblair: thtas only for conflicts with right? | 19:31 |
| clarkb | oh wait I see whta you mean | 19:31 |
| clarkb | when master changes | 19:31 |
| jeblair | yep | 19:31 |
| jeblair | (well, when a branch changes) | 19:32 |
| fungi | i wouldn't be surprised if gerrit background-testing for merge conflicts via jgit ends up being slower than zuul's battalion of cgit-based merger workers | 19:32 |
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| jeblair | fungi: it would be if it weren't for zuul's hundreds of thousands of refs :) | 19:32 |
| fungi | true | 19:32 |
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| fungi | i keep forgetting about the cruft | 19:33 |
| fungi | ref expiration might be a nice thing to look at down the road after zuul/nodepool v3 | 19:33 |
| jeblair | yeah | 19:33 |
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| fungi | okay, dead horse now thoroughly beaten? or anything else on the gerrit upgrade topic? | 19:34 |
| fungi | we don't have anything else on the agenda besides open discussion, so can continue gerrity things there as well if anyone thinks of something late | 19:34 |
| clarkb | I will be approving the nodepool image builders changes shortly | 19:35 |
| clarkb | and restart nodepool to pick that up, then build and upload an image by hand | 19:35 |
| clarkb | to make sure its all happy | 19:35 |
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| fungi | #agreed We should plan for our next Gerrit major upgrade to happen around May, 2016. | 19:35 |
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| fungi | #topic Open discussion | 19:36 |
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| fungi | anteaya: i really enjoyed the virtual holiday party last week, thanks for organizing! | 19:36 |
| clarkb | the way that should work is nodepoold will run a gear server and image builder for us by default | 19:36 |
| jeblair | me too! | 19:36 |
| anteaya | thanks all for attending | 19:36 |
| pleia2 | yes, thanks anteaya! | 19:36 |
| anteaya | it was a nice way to spend a few hours | 19:36 |
| clarkb | so the internal interfaces for building will change but the config and all that should all remain the same in one place | 19:36 |
| anteaya | glad it worked | 19:36 |
| jeblair | the gerritforge folks have .deb packages of gerrit | 19:37 |
| jeblair | might be worth looking into at some point | 19:37 |
| anteaya | clarkb: do you have time next week to look at kibana4 upgrade at all? | 19:37 |
| fungi | here's an interesting (at least to me) discussion item... working on a new and somewhat complex slave script in project-config, it would be nice if it were self-tested. in this case it gets used in a job which runs against project-config changes so that's not too hard to arrange as a conditional on ZUUL_PROJECT, but should we consider broader options for self-testing our slave scripts? | 19:38 |
| clarkb | anteaya: the logstash 2.0 upgrade is still not done, needs reviews last I checked | 19:38 |
| anteaya | clarkb: okay so logstash 2.0 first, thanks | 19:38 |
| jeblair | fungi: have fewer slave scripts? :) | 19:38 |
| clarkb | fungi: jjb updates are not safe to test like that | 19:38 |
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| fungi | jeblair: yeah, certainly an option | 19:39 |
| clarkb | fungi: if we could somehow isolate just the script itself then we could do something like that, however having tests for the script is probably a better solutiin in that case | 19:39 |
| anteaya | fungi: what options were you thinking of? | 19:39 |
| clarkb | anteaya: logstash-worker20 is still running logstash2.0 just fine so basically just need reviews then I can deploy across the board | 19:39 |
| fungi | anteaya: dunno, my (likely terrible) train of thought was to make teh slave script invocations relative and then add different search path entries if the job was running against project-config instead of another repo | 19:40 |
| jesusaurus | fungi: thats something I've thought about as well, but haven't come up with a reasonable way to do it | 19:40 |
| pabelanger | I could use some help with zuul and python-apschedule 3.0+: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/260637/ Just making sure the patch is sane | 19:40 |
| anteaya | clarkb: okey dokey, I'll try to review those today (hopefully I can get some others to pile on too) | 19:40 |
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| pabelanger | now that I'm a fedora packager I'm trying to help package all the infra stuff :) | 19:40 |
| anteaya | pabelanger: I missed that you are now a fedora packager | 19:41 |
| jesusaurus | clarkb: what makes jjb tests not safe to test like that? | 19:41 |
| anteaya | pabelanger: congratulations and my condolences :) | 19:41 |
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| clarkb | jesusaurus: jenkins has access to secrets, jjb jobs by definition have access to said secrets | 19:41 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: i think apsched is well tested in zuul so should be good | 19:41 |
| jesusaurus | clarkb: oh true | 19:41 |
| pabelanger | anteaya: thanks, fun times ahead | 19:41 |
| clarkb | jesusaurus: this means you can't run arbitrary changes to jenkins jobs without review | 19:41 |
| anteaya | pabelanger: true that | 19:41 |
| clarkb | jesusaurus: this is particularly true of many of our scripts as wlel | 19:41 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: maybe check with hashar and see if that makes life hard for him? | 19:41 |
| hashar | hello | 19:42 |
| pabelanger | jeblair: good point! | 19:42 |
| pabelanger | hashar: ohai! | 19:42 |
| jeblair | hashar: https://review.openstack.org/260637 | 19:42 |
| fungi | clarkb: ahh, yeah though proposed changes don't (at least currently) have any jobs that run on long-term workers which house credentials, right? | 19:42 |
| clarkb | jesusaurus: fungi this is why having tests for the changes that don't touch our actual systems would be the best solution imo | 19:42 |
| anteaya | fungi jesusaurus that train of thought may be terrible but I have nothing better to offer | 19:42 |
| crinkle | should we select a time for wiki/paste/nodepool downtime for puppet-mysql upgrade? | 19:42 |
| hashar | pabelanger: jeblair: I noticed the apscheduler version bump. Will comment on it right now. Thanks for the ping! | 19:43 |
| clarkb | fungi: right, but the case this came up in does run on long term workers aiui | 19:43 |
| clarkb | fungi: so to address the use case we have toconsider this | 19:43 |
| fungi | clarkb: oh, you're likely talking about a different case than i was considering | 19:43 |
| clarkb | ah maybe | 19:43 |
| pabelanger | hashar: thanks | 19:44 |
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| fungi | i was mostly wanting to make changes to the bindep fallback test job's slave script self-testing so that i don't have to wait for an image rebuild cycle to find out for sure that i don't need to roll back a modification | 19:44 |
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| anteaya | fungi: that is a good use case | 19:44 |
| fungi | which would be easy since that job runs on changes proposed to the repo where the script resides | 19:44 |
| anteaya | not having to wait on an image rebuild cycle to evaluate a change would be helpful | 19:45 |
| jeblair | honestly, i don't think most of our slaves scripts need to be slave scripts anymore | 19:45 |
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| * anteaya is interested in jeblair's point | 19:45 | |
| jeblair | that's a good pattern when the alternative is a text field in jenkins | 19:45 |
| fungi | what do we do with them instead? e.g. for the bindep jobs you asked me to move the logic out of the job definitions and into slave scripts that could be preinstalled on the workers | 19:46 |
| jeblair | fungi: maybe i don't understand which thing you're talking about | 19:46 |
| jeblair | fungi: i thought you were talking about a script used in a single job the "bindep fallback test job's slave script" | 19:46 |
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| clarkb | the use case I had in mind was related to requirements updates and translation update type thing swhich do run on long lived slaves | 19:47 |
| fungi | jeblair: well, the script is used by that job, but also used in a job macro to install dependencies of bindep-using jobs, so that the same logic can be exercised on the fallback rather than having a more rarefied test | 19:48 |
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| hashar | pabelanger: I +1ed the Zuul python-apscheduler version bump ( https://review.openstack.org/#/c/260637/ ). In short Wikimedia uses dh_virtualenv to complete modules not provided by the distro. | 19:48 |
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| fungi | jeblair: example job templates are in the experimental-workers.yaml jjb config | 19:49 |
| angdraug | mwhahaha talked to me about the problem with too many fuel plugin repos: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-infra/%23openstack-infra.2015-12-22.log.html#t2015-12-22T15:20:07 | 19:49 |
| fungi | showing the same script used for a tox-based unit test job and for testing that changes to bindep and the fallback packages list don't break under the same script | 19:49 |
| angdraug | personally I'd like to keep the plugins ecosystem a free-for-all instead of burdening with too much governance | 19:50 |
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| fungi | so having changes to that script also covered by the job would close a bit of a loophole | 19:50 |
| angdraug | how much of a problem or nuisance is the current situation with proliferation of poorly maintained plugins? | 19:50 |
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| fungi | angdraug: we generally don't want to host anything which is poorly maintained | 19:51 |
| angdraug | we can move most or even all of these repos to review.fuel-infra.org | 19:51 |
| fungi | high quality assurance expectations are a big part of our community | 19:51 |
| fungi | just sort of curious why anyone would want to host poorly-maintained software | 19:52 |
| fungi | assuming your assertion is that the software in question is poorly-maintained | 19:52 |
| angdraug | most of the poorly maintained plugins come from a one-off need to deploy a single cloud | 19:52 |
| AJaeger | angdraug: we now have 82 repos and every week comes one more, that puts a lot of review burden on us. Especially if I have to ask the same questions with every review (is this part of fuel? Part of big tent?) | 19:52 |
| AJaeger | angdraug: why not create *one* repo for this? | 19:53 |
| angdraug | having one repo would be a mess from ownership and merge rights perspective | 19:53 |
| AJaeger | one-offs do not belong as separate repos in our infrastructure IMHO | 19:53 |
| anteaya | AJaeger: agreed | 19:53 |
| angdraug | agreed, but they're still potentially useful to other people who would need to deploy a similar configuration later | 19:53 |
| anteaya | the maintenance burden for them falls to project-config reviewers | 19:53 |
| AJaeger | angdraug: most have mescanef has owner already ;) | 19:54 |
| angdraug | so I don't want to keep them private | 19:54 |
| angdraug | it won't be a problem for us to move it to f-i.o | 19:54 |
| fungi | AJaeger: also curious where your 82 figure comes from. my count this morning was 88 repos matching a "fuel" substring | 19:54 |
| fungi | just shy of 10% of our total repository count | 19:54 |
| angdraug | fungi: are you excluding non-plugin repos? | 19:54 |
| AJaeger | fungi: I just quickly checked what I checkd out - since I need to update my local repos again... | 19:54 |
| hashar | if repos are very similar, you could use a zuul template that adds generic jobs to a project. That eases configuration | 19:54 |
| AJaeger | checked out locally I mean | 19:55 |
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| fungi | angdraug: just getting an upper bound on how many repositories the fuel ecosystem subset entails | 19:55 |
| anteaya | AJaeger: ah so 6 more were created since you last updated locally | 19:55 |
| clarkb | fwiw tripleo image elements collects a bunch of pplugin like things into a central area an that seems to work well enough | 19:55 |
| AJaeger | exactly, anteaya | 19:55 |
| jeblair | or contribute to reviewing the project-config repo | 19:55 |
| angdraug | for the record I'm not saying all of them are poorly maintained, only that we currently don't have any kind of requirement on how well maintained it is | 19:55 |
| anteaya | angdraug: perhaps you could begin | 19:56 |
| anteaya | angdraug: rather than defering the burden to the project-config reviewers | 19:56 |
| angdraug | anteaya: begin reviewing fuel-plugin-* repo creation requests? | 19:56 |
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| fungi | begin reviewing all repo creation requests | 19:57 |
| anteaya | begin to have requirements for how well maintained a fuel repo is | 19:57 |
| fungi | if people only reviewed their own code, nothing would ever merge | 19:57 |
| dougwig | at the risk of being burned alive for suggesting a non-open tool, it really sounds like an open-source github org would better fit the needs you're trying to serve. | 19:57 |
| angdraug | fungi: point taken | 19:57 |
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| AJaeger | angdraug: thanks for showing up and raising this, greatly appreciated! | 19:57 |
| angdraug | dougwig: we'd rather put it on r.f-i.o because it has gerrit on it | 19:57 |
| fungi | yeah, if these repos are going to have semi-regular contributions and the people managing those contributions want to peer review them, then they seem like a fit for our infrastructure | 19:58 |
| jeblair | fungi: ++ | 19:58 |
| angdraug | I will keep pushing for more infra contribution from fuel folks, that's very high on my list of priorities, honest :) | 19:59 |
| jeblair | (if one wants to dump some code onto the internet and abandon it, i fully endorse the use of github) | 19:59 |
| fungi | i think there's just a hesitance on the part of the currentl primary project-config repo reviewers given the volume of new repos they see being requested by the fuel ecosystem, and confusion over their relationship to the fuel project-team | 19:59 |
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| anteaya | wooo a github endorsement from jeblair! | 19:59 |
| angdraug | in the meanwhile, I'll carefully consider some objective maintainence level criteria for fuel plugins | 19:59 |
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| jeblair | (bonus points for omitting a license) | 19:59 |
| angdraug | and also propose internally to use f-i instead of o.o as the default dumping ground | 20:00 |
| dougwig | jeblair: lol | 20:00 |
| anteaya | angdraug: thank you, I appreciate that | 20:00 |
| fungi | especially if an active member of the fuel project-team is proposing these new repos, but won't be the one maintaining them (and if they are, then why aren't they part of fuel?). i get that it's a complex situation | 20:00 |
| angdraug | anteaya: yw, our mess to begin with ) | 20:00 |
| AJaeger | fungi: 18 of 88 fuel repos are part of the governeance repo | 20:00 |
| anteaya | angdraug: I find even asking the question, so what are your intentions? to be very enlightening | 20:00 |
| fungi | oops, we're out of time | 20:00 |
| anteaya | thanks fungi | 20:00 |
| fungi | thanks all! | 20:00 |
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| fungi | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 22 20:00:47 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2015/infra.2015-12-22-19.03.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2015/infra.2015-12-22-19.03.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2015/infra.2015-12-22-19.03.log.html | 20:00 |
| fungi | take it away, technical committee! | 20:00 |
| fungi | (or have some eggnog instead) | 20:01 |
| * anteaya offers eggnog | 20:01 | |
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| Clint | eggnog ctte | 20:01 |
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| dougwig | i have a batch of the real stuff. tomorrow will be week 3, which is when i can crack it open. | 20:02 |
| anteaya | dougwig: nice | 20:02 |
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| anteaya | next TC meeting Jan. 5th: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-tc/2015-December/001100.html | 20:05 |
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