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| rakhmerov | #startmeeting Mistral | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 21 16:00:54 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rakhmerov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mistral' | 16:00 |
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| rakhmerov | hi | 16:01 |
| hparekh | hi | 16:01 |
| melisha | Hi | 16:01 |
| ^Gal^ | hi | 16:01 |
| ddeja | hello | 16:01 |
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| LimorStotland_ | hi | 16:02 |
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| akuznetsova_ | hi | 16:02 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, let's get started | 16:02 |
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| gpaz | Hi everyone | 16:03 |
| tshtilma | hi | 16:03 |
| NikolayM | hi everyone! | 16:03 |
| rakhmerov | hey | 16:03 |
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| rakhmerov | agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MistralAgenda | 16:03 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Review Action Items | 16:04 |
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| rakhmerov | 1. melisha: send "Mistral HA and multi-regional support" meeting minutes | 16:04 |
| rakhmerov | done | 16:04 |
| melisha | :-) | 16:04 |
| rakhmerov | :) | 16:04 |
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| rakhmerov | melisha: we talked to akuznetsova_ quickly | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | looks like we don't have any docs on that | 16:05 |
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| akuznetsova_ | yes | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | so we'll need to work on it just based on those meeting minutes and what's in our heads | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | 2. NikolayM: discuss with Renat and confirm appropriate time for planning M-2 on wednesday Dec 16 | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | that was done | 16:05 |
| melisha | OK | 16:05 |
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| rakhmerov | 3. NikolayM: review patch "fix join on branch error" | 16:06 |
| rakhmerov | done | 16:06 |
| NikolayM | correct :) | 16:06 |
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| rakhmerov | #topic Current status (progress, issues, roadblocks, further plans) | 16:06 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, let's quickly share our statuses | 16:06 |
| ^Gal^ | ]updating in regard to mistral dashboard | 16:06 |
| ^Gal^ | 1. I'm working on "execution state" to show tooltip of "execution state info". That's the last thing in the execution blueprint. | 16:06 |
| ^Gal^ | 2. I've registered 2 blueprints of missing pagination logic in mistral-engine and mistral-python-client for cron trigger and task. | 16:06 |
| ^Gal^ | 3. I'm gonna start working on cron trigger screen real soon | 16:06 |
| ^Gal^ | 4. Liat is doing well in action screen blueprint | 16:06 |
| LimorStotland_ | my status: waiting for review on bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/mistral/+bug/1527976 | 16:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1527976 in Mistral "Task timeout error message" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Limor Stotland (limor-bortman) | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | rakhmerov's status: mostly doing reviews, also discussed HA with ALU and did planning for M-2 | 16:07 |
| hparekh | working on to enable mistral containers for kolla | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | ^Gal^: awesome, looks like you're making good progress ) | 16:07 |
| ^Gal^ | rakhmerov: yeah, things go fast now | 16:07 |
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| ^Gal^ | :) | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | LimorStotland_: ok | 16:07 |
| LimorStotland_ | thanks rakhmerov | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | hparekh: we reviewed your docker image patch, it looks good. Just one last thing I'd like to do is to actually build an image ) | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | haven't done that yet | 16:08 |
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| hparekh | rakhmerov: actually in previous meeting we discussed this and can't decide whether we have to build it on merge basis or on weekly basis | 16:09 |
| akuznetsova_ | I fixed dsvm gate | 16:09 |
| rakhmerov | hparekh: hm... interesting | 16:10 |
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| rakhmerov | you mean we could have a gate for this sort of? | 16:10 |
| rakhmerov | well, a gate might a little bit heavy though to run it on every commit | 16:10 |
| hparekh | yeah... | 16:10 |
| rakhmerov | what are the alternatives? | 16:10 |
| hparekh | hmmm | 16:10 |
| rakhmerov | well, actually it depends on how long it gets built | 16:11 |
| rakhmerov | how long does it take for you to build it? | 16:11 |
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| hparekh | well it takes 20 -30 min | 16:11 |
| hparekh | on my machine | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | yeah... a little bit too long | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | hm.. ok, need to think about it | 16:12 |
| hparekh | ok | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | may be could just do it manually once in a while to check that it works | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | ok, let's move forward | 16:13 |
| hparekh | manually it works i added doc for that also | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | yep | 16:13 |
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| rakhmerov | anyway, good job hparekh! | 16:13 |
| hparekh | about how to build it manually | 16:13 |
| hparekh | Thanks !! | 16:13 |
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| rakhmerov | hparekh: I also see that there's a patch from you that you still need to work on | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | https://review.openstack.org/252317 | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | address comments etc. | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | please don't forget about it | 16:14 |
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| rakhmerov | #topic "Work queue" pattern in oslo.messaging (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/256342/) | 16:15 |
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| hparekh | yeah actually i need to add FT for that.... i will do this once tempest plugin patch et merge | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | FT? | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | what's that? | 16:15 |
| hparekh | functional test | 16:15 |
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| rakhmerov | ooh, ok | 16:16 |
| ^Gal^ | fruit tart | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | so | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | Work queue | 16:16 |
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| rakhmerov | as you probably know, we had a loooong discussion with oslo.messaging team about a new message delivery model that we need in Mistral | 16:17 |
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| rakhmerov | if interested, you can refer to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/229186/ | 16:17 |
| rakhmerov | WARNING: it's pretty complicated stuff and may consume your time significantly | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | :) | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | so based on that discussion one of the folks from oslo.messaging decided to push a spec in the patch I mentioned above | 16:19 |
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| rakhmerov | I wasn't going to discuss it here in details | 16:19 |
| rakhmerov | I just wanted to participate in that because it's one of the fundamental design things that we need to address | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | specifically, I'd like to participate ddeja, _gryf, melisha | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | and others too | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | in the discussion https://review.openstack.org/#/c/229186/ you can find a comprehensive vision that I have about this problem (see my latest comment) | 16:21 |
| melisha | I will read it carefully. Thanks. | 16:21 |
| rakhmerov | melisha: btw, it is related to HA | 16:21 |
| rakhmerov | it's one of our current gaps | 16:21 |
| melisha | rakhmerov: Yes. I remember. Thanks. | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:22 |
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| rakhmerov | that's all I wanted to share on this topic | 16:22 |
| ddeja | rakhmerov: I'll read this. Thank you | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | ddeja: thanks ) | 16:22 |
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| rakhmerov | ddeja: btw, is what you're doing on VM evacuation shared publicly somewhere? | 16:23 |
| rakhmerov | if possible, I'd like to take a look at this | 16:23 |
| ddeja | rakhmerov: yes, we have repo on github, but it's early work and right now I'm stuck with hardware problems | 16:23 |
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| rakhmerov | ddeja: ok | 16:24 |
| ddeja | rakhmerov: I'll let you know as soon as I have something interesting | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | then I would ask you to let me know once something is ready to be looked at | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | yep, thanks | 16:24 |
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| rakhmerov | ok | 16:25 |
| rakhmerov | so I also want to touch quickly what we discussed with ALU on Mistral HA last week | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Mistral HA and stability | 16:26 |
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| rakhmerov | so, what we came to is that we need the following | 16:27 |
| rakhmerov | * Add a gate that runs Mistral in HA mode | 16:28 |
| rakhmerov | * Add more functional tests that are focused on HA tests | 16:28 |
| rakhmerov | * Put together a list of known HA issues that are currently not handled (For example, if an executor dies immediately after dequeuing a task) and think of solutions. | 16:28 |
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| rakhmerov | * Expose Mistral load metrics to allow some external system to decide if it needs to scale Mistral components in / out. | 16:28 |
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| rakhmerov | the last one is lower priority thing, it's I think a far future | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | we already have a BP that's just called "Mistral HA" | 16:29 |
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| rakhmerov | but it doesn't contain any specific detailed info | 16:29 |
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| rakhmerov | I'm going to split it into smaller ones with prefix "HA" in their title | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | and as with oslo.messaging stuff I'd like everyone to think on the 3rd asterisk mark | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | by design, we have a number of issues and we need to complete the list of these issues | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | so that we could model situations for them in a special setup (most likely a new gate) and test them | 16:32 |
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| melisha | rakhmerov: Sounds good to me | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | like, for now, it's possible to lose a message going to an executor completely without an engine knowing about it | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | melisha: ok | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | team, any comments/remarks? | 16:33 |
| NikolayM | nothing from me | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:33 |
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| rakhmerov | akuznetsova_: let's discuss tomorrow how we could approach implementing a new gate for this | 16:35 |
| rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov: break "Mistral HA" BP down into smaller ones | 16:35 |
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| rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov, akuznetsova_: discuss implementing a new gate focusing on HA testing | 16:36 |
| akuznetsova_ | rakhmerov, sure | 16:36 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:36 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Open discussion | 16:36 |
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| melisha | rakhmerov, akuznetsova: If you need any help please feel free | 16:36 |
| rakhmerov | folks, any other questions? | 16:36 |
| rakhmerov | absolutely | 16:36 |
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| akuznetsova_ | I have an idea of new tests that we can run on this gate | 16:36 |
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| rakhmerov | melisha: if needed, we can setup a meeting | 16:36 |
| rakhmerov | akuznetsova_: can you share now? | 16:36 |
| akuznetsova_ | e.g some destructive scenarios | 16:37 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:37 |
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| akuznetsova_ | like turing off one of the executor, and so on | 16:37 |
| akuznetsova_ | *executors | 16:37 |
| rakhmerov | yeah | 16:37 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:37 |
| akuznetsova_ | it is just an idea, need to think more | 16:37 |
| rakhmerov | sure | 16:37 |
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| rakhmerov | I think we just need to push an initial draft of the spec for this into mistral-specs and start filling it with details | 16:38 |
| melisha | We for example have a test that does SSH to localhost and cmd="hostname" and in the output we can see that it reached all executors | 16:38 |
| rakhmerov | so that everyone could participate | 16:38 |
| melisha | at least once | 16:39 |
| rakhmerov | melisha: even though it was intended only for one of them? | 16:39 |
| melisha | rakhmerov: No. We run 6 identical tasks - and expect to have at least 3 different hostnames | 16:40 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:40 |
| rakhmerov | melisha: is there a bug for this? | 16:41 |
| rakhmerov | in LP | 16:41 |
| melisha | rakhmerov: Why a bug? It is good :-) | 16:41 |
| melisha | We have 3 executors on 3 VMs in our setup | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | hm... not sure I understood then | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:42 |
| melisha | if we run WF with 6 tasks that do SSH to localhost and do hostname | 16:42 |
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| melisha | I expect that all executors will participate | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | right | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | I guess it will be most probable behavior | 16:43 |
| rakhmerov | but it is not necessary right | 16:43 |
| melisha | Ofcourse so you could increase to 12 tasks instead of 6 | 16:43 |
| rakhmerov | it depends on how quickly executors poll messages and process them | 16:43 |
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| rakhmerov | yes | 16:43 |
| rakhmerov | ok, got it | 16:43 |
| melisha | If it is not going to all executors at least once - you probably have an issue | 16:44 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:44 |
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| rakhmerov | melisha: btw, do you know that oslo dropped support of QPID? | 16:44 |
| rakhmerov | I wonder if that's an issue for you | 16:45 |
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| melisha | rakhmerov: Yes. We saw that it will be removed in Mitaka. It forces us to move to RabbitMQ. Which is good :-) | 16:45 |
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| rakhmerov | melisha: ok, was there a strong reason for you to use QPid? | 16:46 |
| rakhmerov | or it's just a historical choice? | 16:46 |
| melisha | rakhmerov: We are using RedHat distro and when we began that was their default. At some point they moved the default to Rabbit but we did not change because we already had QPID in HA, etc. | 16:47 |
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| rakhmerov | ooh, I see | 16:48 |
| rakhmerov | then it's ok | 16:48 |
| rakhmerov | I was worrying for you ) | 16:48 |
| melisha | rakhmerov: Ohhhh... Thanks :-) | 16:49 |
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| rakhmerov | :) | 16:50 |
| rakhmerov | alright | 16:50 |
| rakhmerov | I don't have any more topics | 16:50 |
| rakhmerov | anything else guys? | 16:50 |
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| melisha | I started looking on how to add Mistral specific rules to pep8. I saw it can theoretically be done with flask8. I am looking into it on my spare time | 16:51 |
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| rakhmerov | melisha: any specific reason for that? | 16:52 |
| rakhmerov | what additional checks you'd like to have? | 16:52 |
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| melisha | My goal is to save time for the committers and reviwers. | 16:52 |
| melisha | For example, blank line before return statement | 16:53 |
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| rakhmerov | oooh | 16:53 |
| melisha | Period at the end of comment | 16:53 |
| melisha | ... | 16:53 |
| rakhmerov | the things that I'm picky about ) | 16:53 |
| melisha | If we could fail on DevStack before push that will be great | 16:53 |
| rakhmerov | yeah | 16:53 |
| rakhmerov | it's actually my fault, I was gonna write a doc explaining "our" style rules | 16:54 |
| rakhmerov | but never did that | 16:54 |
| rakhmerov | if we could have pep8 checks for this it would be great | 16:54 |
| akuznetsova_ | rakhmerov, I already created bp and etherpad for that | 16:54 |
| akuznetsova_ | rakhmerov, you need to take a look at | 16:55 |
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| rakhmerov | link? | 16:55 |
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| akuznetsova_ | rakhmerov, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/add-custom-code-style-checks | 16:55 |
| rakhmerov | ok, thanks! | 16:55 |
| rakhmerov | so, anything else? | 16:56 |
| akuznetsova_ | melisha, I think that it can be done like Rally did, using python | 16:56 |
| rakhmerov | sahara has that too, AFAIK | 16:56 |
| rakhmerov | we can peek | 16:56 |
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| melisha | akuznetsova_, rakhmerov: OK. I did not know that. I will take a look. Thanks! | 16:57 |
| akuznetsova_ | yes, they use quite scary regex) | 16:57 |
| rakhmerov | :) | 16:57 |
| rakhmerov | ok, let's end the meeting | 16:57 |
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| rakhmerov | unless you have anything else | 16:58 |
| rakhmerov | counting down.. | 16:58 |
| rakhmerov | 5 | 16:58 |
| rakhmerov | 4 | 16:58 |
| rakhmerov | 3 | 16:58 |
| rakhmerov | 2 | 16:58 |
| rakhmerov | 1 | 16:58 |
| rakhmerov | bye! | 16:58 |
| NikolayM | bye! | 16:58 |
| rakhmerov | thanks for joining! | 16:58 |
| LimorStotland_ | bye | 16:58 |
| melisha | bye! | 16:58 |
| ddeja | bye | 16:58 |
| hparekh | bye! | 16:58 |
| rakhmerov | #endmeeting | 16:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Dec 21 16:58:41 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2015/mistral.2015-12-21-16.00.html | 16:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2015/mistral.2015-12-21-16.00.txt | 16:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2015/mistral.2015-12-21-16.00.log.html | 16:58 |
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| adam_g | #startmeeting astara | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 21 18:01:07 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adam_g. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'astara' | 18:01 |
| adam_g | o/ | 18:01 |
| markmcclain | o/ | 18:01 |
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| elo | hola | 18:02 |
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| adam_g | #topic Bugs | 18:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: astara)" | 18:03 | |
| adam_g | https://launchpad.net/bugs/1524962 | 18:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1524962 in Astara "transient gate failure trying to update astara-appliance config " [Undecided,In progress] | 18:04 |
| adam_g | so our gate test seems to be getting more unreliable. ive got a patch up to try to help track one of them but im not sure theres only one bug. | 18:04 |
| adam_g | im hoping to spend some cycles digging into that thsi week and see if i can really get to the bottom of it. seems we have to recheck more than not these days | 18:04 |
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| markmcclain | wondering if we need to track the underlying cloud since it seems to be a timing issue | 18:05 |
| adam_g | #action adam_g to dig deeper into transient gate failures | 18:05 |
| adam_g | markmcclain, yea, that was one of hte things i was going to look at (RAX vs HP vs etc) | 18:05 |
| markmcclain | there's also the new cloud that might ahve introduced enough jitter into the system | 18:06 |
| adam_g | id like to also add some logging into the appliance somewhere so we have some visibility into whats gumming up the config update | 18:06 |
| adam_g | https://bugs.launchpad.net/astara/+bug/1524068 | 18:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1524068 in Astara "get_local_service_ip conflicts across multiple astara nodes" [Critical,In progress] | 18:06 |
| adam_g | started tackling this last week and ran into another bug in our clustering layer: https://bugs.launchpad.net/astara/+bug/1527396 | 18:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1527396 in Astara "state machines get lost after failovers" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Adam Gandelman (gandelman-a) | 18:07 |
| adam_g | https://review.openstack.org/259216 begins to address that, hope to get it finished up today | 18:07 |
| elo | I'll need to understand the update resource so this helpful for debugging | 18:07 |
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| markmcclain | cool | 18:08 |
| adam_g | elo, you filed a few small bugs lsat week; https://bugs.launchpad.net/astara/+bug/1524584 https://bugs.launchpad.net/astara/+bug/1524592 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/astara/+bug/1524596 you have any interest in driving any of those /w patch? | 18:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1524584 in Astara "'astara-ctl browse' command broken" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to j_king (james-agentultra) | 18:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1524592 in Astara "'astara-ctl ssh' command broken" [Undecided,New] | 18:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1524596 in Astara "devstack hardcode location of astara appliance public key" [Undecided,New] | 18:09 |
| elo | sure I can easily do the 152496... will look at the other two | 18:10 |
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| adam_g | cool ill assign that one | 18:11 |
| adam_g | #topic mitaka development | 18:12 |
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| adam_g | markmcclain, i was thinking, maybe the BYONF work can be rolled into https://blueprints.launchpad.net/astara/+spec/astara-sfc as a building block? | 18:13 |
| markmcclain | yeah that seems like natural fit | 18:13 |
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| adam_g | cool | 18:14 |
| adam_g | im thinking of pickig something off the blueprint queue to start working on before the holiday. might take a crack at the appliance HA/VRRP stuff we've been discusisng forever | 18:14 |
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| adam_g | at least expanding our state machine management to allow managing multiple SMs per neutron resource | 18:15 |
| markmcclain | yeah... if that feature is added | 18:15 |
| markmcclain | the instance stuff shouldn't be too hard to setup | 18:15 |
| adam_g | markmcclain, the BP is assigned to you. did you have any WIP stuff stashed somewhere or still just in your head? | 18:15 |
| markmcclain | it's in my head | 18:16 |
| adam_g | k | 18:16 |
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| adam_g | #topic open discussion | 18:17 |
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| adam_g | anything to discuss? figure it's going to be a short week with the holiday | 18:18 |
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| markmcclain | so I've also been kicking around vpnaas impl too | 18:18 |
| markmcclain | I think it might not be too terrible | 18:18 |
| markmcclain | otherwise also trying to track down another interesting issue | 18:18 |
| adam_g | cool | 18:18 |
| adam_g | whats the issue? | 18:18 |
| markmcclain | where the state machine can get stuck thinking a machine is still booting | 18:18 |
| markmcclain | when it is ready for config | 18:19 |
| markmcclain | I haven't filed the bug because I've got to isolate where this happens | 18:19 |
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| adam_g | hmm not seen that one before | 18:20 |
| elo | could this be similar to the issue Phil is hitting? | 18:20 |
| elo | appliance gets booted, but somehow config drive isn't configuring the interfaces | 18:21 |
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| markmcclain | adam_g: yeah it's occurs when you have really long boot times | 18:21 |
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| markmcclain | elo: so this is different because the appliance does come up | 18:22 |
| markmcclain | and the bootcmd is run | 18:22 |
| markmcclain | but the orchestrator has problems talking to the instance | 18:22 |
| elo | ok | 18:22 |
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| adam_g | might be able to reproduce /w some strategically placed sleeps on the nova side | 18:23 |
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| adam_g | elo, hoping to get some appliance logging going soon for the gate issue, which should help in your situation | 18:24 |
| markmcclain | yeah... that was my plan | 18:24 |
| adam_g | cool. anything else? | 18:25 |
| markmcclain | yeah I think dumping a bit more state to teh console would help | 18:25 |
| elo | thanks. I informed phil about getting on the console for the appliance. Not heard from him back yet. I've not been able to replicated it | 18:25 |
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| adam_g | ok. well unless anyone has anything else we can get back to it | 18:28 |
| markmcclain | nothing else from me | 18:29 |
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| adam_g | ok o/ | 18:29 |
| adam_g | #endmeeting | 18:29 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Dec 21 18:29:40 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:29 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/astara/2015/astara.2015-12-21-18.01.html | 18:29 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/astara/2015/astara.2015-12-21-18.01.txt | 18:29 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/astara/2015/astara.2015-12-21-18.01.log.html | 18:29 |
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| armax | ping, is there anybody outta there? | 20:58 |
| * armax wonder if this meeting has enough quorum to be worthwhile | 20:58 | |
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| rkukura | hi armax! | 20:59 |
| carl_baldwin | o/ | 20:59 |
| armax | hello rkukura | 20:59 |
| * HenryG is outta here | 20:59 | |
| salv-orl_ | aloha | 20:59 |
| ajmiller | hi | 20:59 |
| hichihara | hi | 20:59 |
| amuller | heya | 20:59 |
| emagana | hello there!! meeting time! | 20:59 |
| yamahata | hello | 20:59 |
| amuller | armax: pong =p | 20:59 |
| annp | Hi | 20:59 |
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| sbelous_ | hi | 20:59 |
| salv-orl_ | not sure I'm worth anything towards a quorum ;) | 20:59 |
| * armax has tears of joy in his eyes | 20:59 | |
| garyk | :) | 20:59 |
| mlavalle | hi | 20:59 |
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| dasm | good evening all p/ | 20:59 |
| russellb | hi | 21:00 |
| manjeets | hi everyone | 21:00 |
| armax | #startmeeting networking | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 21 21:00:23 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is armax. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 21:00 |
| hichihara | last meeting in this year? | 21:00 |
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| armax | hello everyone | 21:00 |
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| manjeets | what about tomorrow's one | 21:00 |
| mlavalle | hichihara: yes, armax sent an email to the ML | 21:00 |
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| dougwig | o/ | 21:01 |
| sc68cal | o/ | 21:01 |
| hichihara | mlavalle: Thanks :) | 21:01 |
| armax | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings | 21:01 |
| armax | #topic Announcements | 21:01 |
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| armax | no meeting next week | 21:01 |
| kevinbenton | hi | 21:01 |
| armax | you guys have a great holiday break after this meeting | 21:01 |
| armax | if manjeets is wondering about the drivers meeting | 21:02 |
| armax | I am fine with hosting it, but at this point I wonder if the other drivers feel the same | 21:02 |
| manjeets | i will say make it last one this year | 21:03 |
| manjeets | lol | 21:03 |
| kevinbenton | i won't be there | 21:03 |
| carl_baldwin | Either way for me. | 21:03 |
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| kevinbenton | on a plane | 21:03 |
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| * HenryG has no feelings | 21:03 | |
| dougwig | i don't want to wake up early. :) | 21:03 |
| salv-orl_ | doesn't look like there's anything important to discuss, is there? | 21:03 |
| kevinbenton | well i can catch the first half | 21:03 |
| mlavalle | HenryG: never ever? | 21:03 |
| sc68cal | there may be, but is there the will to ;) | 21:03 |
| armax | salv-orl_: there’s always something imporatnt to discuss | 21:03 |
| armax | :) | 21:04 |
| armax | ok, let me sync up with the drivers later on, and I’ll send an email | 21:04 |
| salv-orl_ | armax: don't try me or will unleash my yak shaving powers | 21:04 |
| armax | the drivers team will still review the RFE bugs as usual *cough cough* | 21:04 |
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| armax | and if we don’t meet tomorrow, the ones worth discussing will be discussed the next meeting when we have one | 21:05 |
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| armax | let me remind you that we are approaching M-2 | 21:05 |
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| armax | which happens the week of Jan 16 | 21:05 |
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| sc68cal | objects in mirror are closer than they appear | 21:05 |
| armax | altough we have no deadline for RFE submssion/approval, at this point it’s getting clear that anything beefy will have to slip to N- | 21:05 |
| garyk | and the functional tests are failing in the gate so its about 6 or 7 rechecks … so plan ahead | 21:06 |
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| armax | garyk: we should plan ahead to fixing it | 21:06 |
| armax | I actually wanted to sync up with amuller about it, but let’s take this offline | 21:06 |
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| armax | the Mitaka workload brings me to the next topic | 21:07 |
| armax | #topic Blueprints | 21:07 |
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| armax | #link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/mitaka-2 | 21:07 |
| dougwig | garyk: is someone working on whatever is causing that? | 21:07 |
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| garyk | dougwig: i am not sure. | 21:08 |
| armax | dougwig: tehre’s a cluster of random failures that puts the total failure rate to something unberable | 21:08 |
| garyk | from the patches i have seen it is HA and restart tests | 21:08 |
| amuller | just noticed, looks like the job climbed to around 35% failure over the last day | 21:08 |
| amuller | that's un-good | 21:08 |
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| armax | we have a tag that collects the functional failures together | 21:08 |
| rossella_s | I have a patch for one failure https://review.openstack.org/#/c/257284/ | 21:09 |
| armax | we can discuss this during the bugs section | 21:09 |
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| armax | as for blueprints/rfe | 21:09 |
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| armax | we have a number of them that haven’t even started | 21:09 |
| armax | or have unmrged specs | 21:10 |
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| armax | those will be the first one to be pruned out | 21:10 |
| armax | so bear that in mind | 21:10 |
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| kevinbenton | by pruned do you just mean retargeted? | 21:10 |
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| armax | one it caught my attention was | 21:10 |
| armax | kevinbenton: yes, apologies for my poor choice of words | 21:11 |
| armax | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/add-tags-to-core-resources | 21:11 |
| armax | this has been sittling idle for a while | 21:11 |
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| armax | I talked to Gal, who is currently the drafter/assignee | 21:11 |
| armax | or I shall say, was | 21:11 |
| armax | and he said he can’t focus on it anymore | 21:11 |
| armax | garyk you were the approver | 21:11 |
| armax | but I removed you | 21:12 |
| armax | since you haven’t done such a great job at spotting the stall | 21:12 |
| garyk | armax: ok. | 21:12 |
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| armax | so this one it’s up for grabs | 21:12 |
| armax | if someone wants it, I think we still have time to tackle it for Mitaka, otherwise it’s out | 21:12 |
| garyk | armax: seems like you have the time so go ahead and implement it | 21:12 |
| * sc68cal thinks if there is doubt - push to N | 21:12 | |
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| kevinbenton | i think we should revist after the break | 21:12 |
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| armax | if someone is interested, please reach out | 21:13 |
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| dasm | tumbleweed... | 21:14 |
| armax | let me remind people who have BP assigned to them in one capacity or another, that’s it’s important to make sure progress is made on a weekly basis | 21:14 |
| salv-orl_ | for that spec it is good to point out that it was something needed by kuryr | 21:14 |
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| salv-orl_ | if gal cannot work on it anymore, maybe it is not a piority anymore for kuryr? | 21:14 |
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| russellb | i don't think it ever was a priority for kuryr | 21:14 |
| armax | regardless | 21:14 |
| russellb | i believe it was driven by TriCircle | 21:15 |
| salv-orl_ | russellb: at some point I believe kuryr developers wanted to attach tags to resources managed by that docker driver, but if there is another consumer then it's another story | 21:15 |
| armax | The blueprint process is outlined here: | 21:15 |
| armax | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/neutron/policies/blueprints.html#neutron-request-for-feature-enhancements | 21:15 |
| armax | and explains prioties and assignments | 21:15 |
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| armax | the tags one was low from a Neutron point of view | 21:16 |
| armax | ok, let’s move on | 21:16 |
| armax | #topic Bugs | 21:16 |
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| russellb | salv-orl_: ah yes, you're right, a use case came up there too | 21:16 |
| armax | carl_baldwin: you’ve been the custodian for the week | 21:16 |
| salv-orl_ | russellb: but anyway armax bestowed the table of the law upon us and made our discussion pointless | 21:17 |
| carl_baldwin | Yes, I think it was pretty quiet. | 21:17 |
| armax | salv-orl_: did you eat the oxford dictionary this morning? | 21:17 |
| carl_baldwin | I do recall a couple of critical but I think they were taken care of... | 21:17 |
| sc68cal | 15 commandments! <smash> - 10 commandments! | 21:17 |
| armax | the functional job has been acting up | 21:17 |
| armax | I noticed that the linuxbridge went nuts for a little while too | 21:17 |
| carl_baldwin | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1526675 | 21:18 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1526675 in oslo.db "test_models_sync fails with 'Models and migration scripts aren't in sync'" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Ann Kamyshnikova (akamyshnikova) | 21:18 |
| armax | we should try and keep an eye on these | 21:18 |
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| carl_baldwin | ... and ... | 21:18 |
| salv-orl_ | armax: that peanut butter had an unusual flavour indeed | 21:18 |
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| armax | dvr went voting again | 21:18 |
| armax | kudos to the team | 21:18 |
| armax | who worked hard to bring it in check | 21:18 |
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| carl_baldwin | This one still marked critical: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1527483 | 21:18 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1527483 in neutron "VPNaaS - No providers specified for 'VPN' service" [Critical,Confirmed] - Assigned to Martin Hickey (martin-hickey) | 21:18 |
| amuller | armax: hah, that's good news. Good work! | 21:19 |
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| carl_baldwin | I'm not sure this one should be marked critical. | 21:19 |
| armax | carl_baldwin: that’s the fallout for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/autogen-neutron-conf-file | 21:19 |
| armax | I was expecting something like this would happen | 21:20 |
| armax | I believe mhickey is asleep now | 21:20 |
| armax | the change he proposed https://review.openstack.org/#/c/259385/ | 21:21 |
| armax | makes me wonder what’s the latest on revising this are of devstack | 21:21 |
| armax | I’ll follow up with sc68cal but for now, perhaps we should try to reach out to other devstack cores to have it nudged in? | 21:21 |
| armax | *area | 21:21 |
| * sc68cal looks | 21:21 | |
| sc68cal | I can +2+A that | 21:22 |
| armax | sc68cal: cool | 21:22 |
| carl_baldwin | sc68cal: Thanks! | 21:22 |
| armax | carl_baldwin: anything else, before we spend a few words on | 21:22 |
| carl_baldwin | That's all, I think. | 21:22 |
| armax | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.tag=functional-tests&orderby=status&start=0 | 21:22 |
| garyk | sc68cal: is now devstack core | 21:22 |
| armax | sc68cal: congrats!? | 21:23 |
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| amuller | for the functional tests it looks like test_restart_l3_agent_on_sighup is the main culprit. Anyone know if there's a bug on this? | 21:23 |
| sc68cal | let me just read over the patch a bit and see what reviewers say. | 21:23 |
| Swami | sc68cal: congrats! | 21:23 |
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| carl_baldwin | amotoki is the next bug deputy. I see he has already been active. | 21:24 |
| amuller | I don't see a bug tagged with functional-tests or gate-failure for that, I'll file one and look in to it | 21:24 |
| manjeets | i've seen whenever jenkins failed est_restart_l3_agent_on_sighup was culprit | 21:24 |
| armax | amuller: are you referring to this one? | 21:24 |
| armax | bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1518921 | 21:24 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1518921 in neutron "Functional tests failing inside _test_restart_service_on_sighup with "Timed out waiting for file /tmp/XXX/YYY/test_server.tmp to be created and its size become equal to ZZZ"" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Sreekumar S (sreesiv) | 21:24 |
| amuller | armax: oh yeah, looks like it | 21:25 |
| amuller | thanks | 21:25 |
| amuller | I'll rename it... | 21:25 |
| armax | amuller: do you know of anyone who watches the reliability of the functional job? | 21:26 |
| amuller | armax: no, and I don't pro-actively monitor it myself | 21:26 |
| amuller | maybe I should have it as my background :( | 21:26 |
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| armax | I wonder if we should explore the idea of having job sponsors :) | 21:26 |
| amuller | we already implicitly do | 21:27 |
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| amuller | I don't know if we should formalize every bit of how we work | 21:27 |
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| garyk | amuller: yeah, we can punch cards for it | 21:27 |
| armax | amuller: we do it very poorly though | 21:27 |
| garyk | and get a weekly report :) | 21:27 |
| kevinbenton | Testing Progress Status | 21:28 |
| kevinbenton | or TPS for short | 21:28 |
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| armax | I am fine either with or without an official person, but at a 35% failure rate I can’t imagine we’re squashing nearly quick enough | 21:29 |
| * HenryG recognizes the Office Space reference | 21:29 | |
| armax | anyhoo, something to mumble on | 21:30 |
| dougwig | or an automated monitor, maybe. | 21:30 |
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| salv-orl_ | gate jobs demand to be treated like blueprints | 21:31 |
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| armax | in the end if the functional job gets in the way rather than helping, trust will be lost | 21:31 |
| salv-orl_ | they're tired to be considered 2nd class citizens | 21:31 |
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| armax | and the end of the world will be in sigh | 21:31 |
| armax | sight | 21:31 |
| armax | you all have been WARNED!! | 21:31 |
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| armax | reedeem yourselves before it’s too late | 21:31 |
| amuller | dougwig: like a bot that spits out a warning on this channel when a voting job gets above a threshold | 21:31 |
| amuller | or sends an email to interested parties | 21:31 |
| kevinbenton | amuller: that would be cool | 21:31 |
| dougwig | yes, or an email. because i don't tend to just scan dashboards regularly. | 21:32 |
| amuller | kevinbenton: an idea for infra... | 21:32 |
| kevinbenton | i like in channel notices | 21:32 |
| mlavalle | armax: you were going to spread holiday joy during this meeting, not gllom | 21:32 |
| mlavalle | gloom^ | 21:32 |
| armax | oops sorry | 21:32 |
| armax | I got carried away | 21:32 |
| * armax puts the santa’s hat on again | 21:32 | |
| armax | ok for now, we have a bunch of fixes targeted | 21:32 |
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| armax | so if we can get some of those in shape for merging…that would be a good first step | 21:33 |
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| armax | this week is amotoki’s turn for deputy | 21:34 |
| armax | anyone brave enough to volunteer for the week of Dec 28 | 21:34 |
| armax | ? | 21:34 |
| kevinbenton | o/ | 21:35 |
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| armax | kevinbenton: I noticed you never did it | 21:35 |
| amuller | I'm on PTO the week of the 28th but I can do the next week | 21:35 |
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| armax | do I see you raising the hand? | 21:35 |
| kevinbenton | yes | 21:35 |
| armax | #action amuller: for the week of Jan 4th | 21:35 |
| * salv-orl_ kevinbenton is the usual blackleg | 21:35 | |
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| armax | #action kevinbenton deputy for the week of Dec 28th | 21:35 |
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| * amuller writes himself a reminder | 21:36 | |
| armax | salv-orl_: follow the example! | 21:36 |
| armax | instead of making such remarks | 21:36 |
| armax | :) | 21:36 |
| salv-orl_ | armax: never! The resistance shall never die!!!! | 21:36 |
| armax | salv-orl_: and we all love you for it | 21:36 |
| armax | next section | 21:36 |
| armax | #topic Docs | 21:36 |
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| dasm | salv-orl_: resistance is futile | 21:36 |
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| armax | emagana | 21:36 |
| armax | udere? | 21:36 |
| armax | I don’t see Sam-I-Am | 21:37 |
| emagana | armax: Yes, I am | 21:37 |
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| emagana | We had our IRC meeting last Thursday to start defining what is left to remove the WIP for the networking guide | 21:37 |
| emagana | We have an etherpad to do the assignments. #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/networking-guide | 21:38 |
| emagana | We need help on the topics marked as (H) - High priority | 21:38 |
| * armax looks | 21:38 | |
| emagana | on other areas sc68cal made a good progress on the versioning for the networking guide | 21:39 |
| armax | emagana: we also have bugs filed against the neutron launchpad project | 21:39 |
| emagana | we god an agreement for OVN related staff, so we are good | 21:39 |
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| emagana | armax: we should move those bugs from neutron to openstack-manuals repo | 21:39 |
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| emagana | armax: do you want me to do that? | 21:40 |
| sc68cal | can we just add openstack-manuals? I'd rather keep it linked to neutron | 21:40 |
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| armax | emagana: no | 21:40 |
| emagana | sc68cal: that's a better idea | 21:40 |
| armax | emagana: I have a patch up | 21:40 |
| armax | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/253229/ | 21:40 |
| armax | that will automatically tag bugs filed by the openstack-infra bot with doc | 21:41 |
| emagana | armax: nice! | 21:41 |
| armax | emagana: some bugs apply to neutron’s devref | 21:41 |
| armax | emagana: others will target api-site and openstack-manauls | 21:41 |
| emagana | armax: sounds good. | 21:41 |
| armax | emagana: I think the vetting needs to be done on a case by case basis | 21:41 |
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| emagana | armax: I can review the ones that are for manuals just to confirm and looking for volunters | 21:42 |
| armax | emagana: until neutron becomes part of defcore, the bugs will keep on being filed against LP Neutron | 21:42 |
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| armax | emagana: anything else? | 21:43 |
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| emagana | link to our meetings is here #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/NetworkingGuide/Meetings | 21:44 |
| emagana | armax: nothing else | 21:44 |
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| armax | ok cool | 21:44 |
| armax | thanks | 21:44 |
| armax | #topic Open Discussion | 21:44 |
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| armax | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings#On_Demand_Agenda | 21:44 |
| armax | haleyb_ raised an item for discussion | 21:45 |
| armax | I replied inline since he said he might not be around | 21:45 |
| armax | I personally think the issue is easy to resolve, as two competing approaches to the same problem seem counterintutive, and we should favor obondarev’s pursued approach | 21:46 |
| garyk | i am going to crash. sorry. happy holidays to all. take care | 21:46 |
| armax | anything else you might want to discuss, like a coup d’etat to remove your PTL? | 21:46 |
| armax | garyk: happy holidays! | 21:46 |
| mlavalle | garyk: happy holidays | 21:46 |
| kevinbenton | armax: what did haleyb_bring up? | 21:47 |
| * armax wished he would be deposed | 21:47 | |
| armax | kevinbenton: you want the TL;DR version? | 21:47 |
| kevinbenton | armax: ye | 21:47 |
| armax | kevinbenton: ok | 21:47 |
| salv-orl_ | armax: with all due respect, if there was a coup it was hardly being discussed in public | 21:47 |
| armax | kevinbenton: when agents talk to servers at scale, rpc call may time out because of a huge payload being processed server side | 21:48 |
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| armax | salv-orl_: we’re open source! | 21:48 |
| salv-orl_ | but if you see a tank in your driveway and it's not yours, well, maybe that's it | 21:48 |
| armax | kevinbenton: so one approach that’s been touted for a while is to chunk up the payload and issue multiple rpc calls | 21:48 |
| armax | salv-orl_: lol | 21:48 |
| Swami | armax: There was a discussion on the nova - neutron communication for the live migration. This is being discussed currently in the bug shown below. #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1456073 | 21:49 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1456073 in neutron "Connection to an instance with floating IP breaks during block migration when using DVR" [High,Confirmed] | 21:49 |
| Swami | armax: I would like the cores opinion on this before we proceed. | 21:49 |
| armax | Swami: ok, I’ll look into it | 21:49 |
| Swami | armax: thanks | 21:49 |
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| armax | Swami: plz bring it to the attention for next meeting so that we don’t forget | 21:49 |
| Swami | armax: Ok will add it to the agenda. | 21:49 |
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| armax | kevinbenton: you with me or shall I go on? | 21:49 |
| kevinbenton | armax: well i know chunking was one approach | 21:50 |
| kevinbenton | armax: what is the other? | 21:50 |
| armax | kevinbenton: the cruz of the matter is the chunk size | 21:50 |
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| armax | kevinbenton: one approach makes config driven, the other makes it dynamic | 21:50 |
| kevinbenton | armax: i see | 21:51 |
| armax | ok, if there’s nothing else you guys would like to discuss… | 21:51 |
| armax | let’s spread joy and holiday spirit | 21:52 |
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| mlavalle | armax: will do :-) | 21:52 |
| armax | let’s get recharged and ready for the final sprint! | 21:52 |
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| armax | happy holiday everyone! | 21:53 |
| armax | #endmeeting | 21:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:53 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Dec 21 21:53:27 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2015/networking.2015-12-21-21.00.html | 21:53 |
| salv-orl_ | adieuuuu | 21:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2015/networking.2015-12-21-21.00.txt | 21:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2015/networking.2015-12-21-21.00.log.html | 21:53 |
| Swami | happy holidays to all. | 21:53 |
| Swami | bye | 21:53 |
| dasm | thanks all. happy holidays | 21:53 |
| hichihara | bye | 21:53 |
| annp | Happy holidays to all | 21:53 |
| manjeets | happy holidays everyone bye | 21:53 |
| annp | Bye | 21:53 |
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