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boris-42#startmeeting Rally14:04
openstackMeeting started Mon Aug 10 14:04:11 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is boris-42. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:04
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boris-42ping andreykurilin rvasilets amaretskiy14:04
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rvasilets\o/14:05
andreykurilino/14:05
ikhudoshyno/14:05
andreykurilin~o~14:05
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yingjuno/14:06
kun_huangsorry for late14:06
kun_huangremember wrong time14:06
boris-42okay let's start=)14:08
boris-42#topic todays agenda14:08
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boris-42#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Rally14:08
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boris-42if somebody wants to get some meeting minutes be free to add extra points in todays meeting agenda14:09
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boris-42#topic [amaretskiy] New classes for HTML report charts14:09
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boris-42amaretskiy: I believe you don't need 3 points of meeting agenda14:09
amaretskiy#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/15945814:10
amaretskiyyes14:10
boris-42to discuss one piece of work14:10
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amaretskiythere are 3 patches related to reports, within today's agenda, and new classes for HTML reports is the 1st one14:10
amaretskiyit is ready for review14:10
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amaretskiyplease review it, I believe it is close to one we want....14:11
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amaretskiyeom14:11
boris-42okay14:12
boris-42amaretskiy: please rewrite the agenda14:12
boris-42amaretskiy: add one point and put info like close to done review required14:12
amaretskiyokay14:13
boris-42#topic [kun] vm workload14:13
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boris-42kun_huang: hey there14:13
kun_huangokay14:13
kun_huangactually I need vm workload recently14:13
kun_huangsingle vm workload mode is close to finish14:13
kun_huangonly one patch is on reviewing14:13
kun_huanghttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/18322814:14
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kun_huangbut I need rally support multiple vm workload14:14
boris-42kun_huang: actually pboldin is workin on that14:14
boris-42kun_huang: already for a long amount of time14:14
kun_huang"multiple vm workload"?14:14
boris-42kun_huang: yep14:14
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boris-42kun_huang: that is why we need all his patches14:14
kun_huanggood14:15
boris-42kun_huang: we are preparing rally step by step for multple vm workload14:15
kun_huangI'm using and testing his patches14:15
redixinwhy can't we use boot_runcommand_delete?14:15
kun_huangwhat's the next step now?14:15
kun_huangredixin: it works for single vm14:16
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kun_huangsome time, we need spawn 2 vm with iperf script14:16
kun_huangthat's another kind of benchmark14:17
kun_huangvm a need to know how to access vm b14:17
boris-42kun_huang: the next step is to create servers_ext14:17
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boris-42kun_huang: context14:17
boris-42kun_huang: that will create various topologies of services14:17
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kun_huangmake sense14:17
boris-42kun_huang: after that we will need to create small simple rally agent14:18
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kun_huangthe custom image is really like that14:18
kun_huangcustom image context14:18
boris-42kun_huang: and we will have server_ext and custome_images to create env14:18
boris-42kun_huang: nope custome_image creates single image14:18
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boris-42kun_huang: that will be used by servers_ext to run N vms with this image with proper networking14:18
kun_huangcustome_image without stop server14:18
kun_huangokay14:19
boris-42kun_huang: nope14:19
kun_huangthat's better14:19
boris-42kun_huang: custom_image creates snapshot that is used later14:19
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boris-42servers_ext creates real servers that will run workloads14:19
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kun_huanggot it14:20
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boris-42kun_huang: ok any other questions?14:20
redixiniperf is kinda special case14:20
redixinwe need N pairs of servers14:21
kun_huangno more yet14:21
kun_huangredixin: yes14:21
boris-42redixin: it's not speical case14:22
boris-42redixin: it's the thing that will be like any other multi vm workload14:22
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redixindoes vm need to know ip addresses of each other in any vm workload?14:23
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boris-42redixin: I beleive usually they should know14:24
redixinboris-42, anyways i would like to see a task configuration file first14:24
boris-42кredixin task configuration will be the same14:24
boris-42redixin: just pick some contexts/sceanrio/runner14:24
boris-42redixin: and they together will build proper env and trigger it14:25
redixinok let's move on14:26
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kun_huangyep, let's move on fist boris-4214:26
boris-42redixin: #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FQicnj6aIdbfYts9ofYdz0dUEf9zyssWqDjQR40h268/edit14:27
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boris-42#topic [kun] what's the state of Solaris support?14:27
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boris-42oh I haven't time to do this =(14:27
kun_huanghah, okay14:27
kun_huangI found the old patch is still here14:27
boris-42I will try to find time this week to create solaris cloud image14:27
albertwI've been off for the past couple of weeks so haven't looked at anything either. I'd meant to ping you Boris14:27
boris-42albertw: sorry for waiting=(14:28
albertwNo problem!14:28
boris-42I was moving from one appramtnets to another14:28
boris-42it was a bit crazy =)14:28
albertwwell drop me an email or ping me if you need a hand14:28
boris-42albertw: ok14:29
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boris-42so moving to next topic14:29
boris-42#topic [ikhudoshyn] Refactor BenchmarkEngine14:29
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boris-42ikhudoshyn: hi there14:29
ikhudoshynjust a quick note about the patch14:29
ikhudoshynit gained lots of +'s there14:30
ikhudoshynbut I updated it a bit to address a good comment from Chris St.Pierre14:30
ikhudoshynso pls re-review it14:30
ikhudoshyneom14:30
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ikhudoshynhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/209046/ btw14:31
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boris-42ikhudoshyn: could you provide some info for others14:31
boris-42ikhudoshyn: what does this patch14:31
ikhudoshynit extracts thread mungling from BenchmarkEngine to a separate context manager14:32
ikhudoshyndoes not introduces any new functionality, olny increases readability14:32
ikhudoshynthat's pretty much iy14:33
ikhudoshyn*it*14:33
boris-42ikhudoshyn: ok great14:33
boris-42thanks14:33
boris-42#topic open discussion14:33
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boris-42do we have something to discuss?14:33
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rvasiletsRight way of submitting links #link  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/209046/14:34
rvasiletsnothing from me14:34
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boris-42others?)14:35
kun_huangno more topics14:35
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oanufrievno )14:35
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boris-42okay14:37
boris-42*all see you next week)14:37
boris-42#endmeeting14:38
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yfriedamaretskiy: quick q re rps runner14:47
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yfriedboris-42: andreykurilin^14:47
amaretskiyyfried: go to rally channel :)14:48
yfriedamaretskiy: sorry14:48
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anteaya#startmeeting third-party15:03
openstackMeeting started Mon Aug 10 15:03:31 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:03
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anteayahello15:03
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wznoinskhi15:04
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eantyshevhello!15:04
anteayahow are you wznoinsk?15:04
anteayahi eantyshev15:04
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anteayawhat shall we discuss today?15:04
wznoinskgood, thanks, coming to talk on one open topic after agenda15:04
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anteayasure, well only agenda is what you bring15:04
anteayado share the topic matter you would like to discuss15:05
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eantyshevhave a couple questions too15:05
wznoinskwanted to check whether my request to get voting rights for intel-networking-ci can be processed or is it pending neutron cores follow up15:05
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eantyshevare there any third-party CI dashboards hosted anywhere?15:07
anteayalet's let wznoinsk go first, eantyshev and then your turn15:07
anteayaso first of all voting isn't a right, it is a permission15:07
anteayaand neutron has made all third party ci testing voluntary not complsory15:07
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anteayaand if memory serves had put a motion forward to revoke voting permissions from all cis reporting on neutron patches15:08
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wznoinskanteaya: apologies, I've went to archives of ML and see a follow up, somehow missed my attention in my inbox15:09
anteayawznoinsk: so are you asking for permissions from neutron or from nova?15:09
anteayaor both15:09
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wznoinskneutron for now, nova is in progress of bringing the ci up15:09
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wznoinskok, I see the neutron ci patch from Kyle here - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/207198/15:10
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anteaya#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/207198/15:10
wznoinskI'll wait for the resolution there, no question for this forum then15:10
anteayawznoinsk: mestery says they discussed it last week at the weekly meeting and will do so again this week15:11
anteayawznoinsk: please consider reviewing the patch and attending the meeting15:11
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anteayaanything more on this topic?15:12
anteayashall we move on to eantyshev's questions?15:12
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anteayaeantyshev: you would like to discuss third party dashboards15:13
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eantyshevanteaya: yes15:13
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anteaya#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194437/15:14
anteayawell this is the current direction being offered15:14
anteayaand there is an actual tool that folks use, patrickeast's tool15:15
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anteayahowever, the obstacle to actually having infra hosting it is the confusion over what tool is intended15:15
anteayaso while I and I do believe the rest of infra would very much like to host a tool15:15
anteayauntil certain folks make up their mind, we can't15:16
anteayaso I personally would really like a clear decision15:16
anteayaso something can be hosted15:16
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anteayaso that doesn't help you much15:16
anteayaand for that I am sorry15:16
anteayaas I would really like to be able to point you at something15:16
anteayabut I can't15:16
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anteayaand honestly don't have much hope for when or if that is something that is going to happen in the future15:17
eantyshevI wanted some sources as a starting point to establish our own dashboard15:17
anteayaI suggest patrickeast's tool15:17
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eantyshevthis one https://github.com/patrick-east/scoreboard ?15:18
anteayastackforge/third-party-ci-tools/tree/master/monitoring/scoreboard15:18
anteayaI think that is the same code yes15:18
eantyshevok, they are identical15:18
eantyshevso thank you15:18
anteayayay for consistentcy15:18
anteayawelcome15:18
anteayathanks for asking15:18
eantyshevmay I ask another question now?15:19
anteayaask away15:19
eantyshevwe use diskimage-builder in our CI to build centos7 images15:19
anteayayay15:20
anteayathank you15:20
eantyshevlast week it started failing saying: package grub2-1:2.02-0.16.el7.centos.x86_64 is already installed15:20
anteayainteresting15:21
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eantyshevI've come up with a solution, in case it is general problem: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/211124/15:22
anteayaah thank you15:22
eantyshevlooking for people who would like to review15:22
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jeblairah yeah we should ask ianw and pabelanger to look at that15:23
anteayaah I see, sorry I had thought you were asking for a solution, rather than offering one15:23
anteayajeblair: thank you15:23
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jeblairthey may not regularly review the dib project itself, so we should point it out to them15:23
anteayaeantyshev: there is a spare whitespace in that patch15:23
anteayajeblair: wonderful15:23
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anteayaeantyshev: so thank you, we are grateful for your patch15:24
eantyshevanteaya: I didn't noticed, will remove it15:24
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anteayaeantyshev: the red block in the patch15:24
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eantyshevthat's all from me15:25
anteayaeantyshev: wonderful, thank you so much for your dib patch15:26
anteayaand for using disk image builder15:26
anteayaeantyshev: if I recall correctly, you were compiling some notes on your installation of disk image builder to share with others15:26
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anteayaam I remembering that correctly?15:26
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eantyshevanteaya: I afraid not me15:26
anteayaah okay sorry15:27
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anteayawe are encouraging third party ci operators to use disk image builder15:27
anteayaso thanks for letting us know you are15:27
anteayaanything more on this topic?15:27
eantyshevby the way, I thought almost every CI uses diskimage-builder and nodepool15:27
anteayanodepool many do15:28
anteayaI don't know the informal statistics on disk image builder usage15:28
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anteayaand some folks don't use nodepool15:28
anteayawe really don't have any way to track what tools folks use15:29
anteayajust go by what they tell us15:29
anteayado we have anything else to discuss today?15:29
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eantyshevSo, looks like diskimage-builder is inevitable if only they test in VMs15:29
anteayawell my version of inevitable and someone else's version of inevitable may or may not match up15:30
anteayaI can't predict how someone else justifies their tool choices15:30
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eantyshev:) right15:31
anteaya:)15:31
anteayaanything more for today?15:31
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eantyshevnope15:32
anteayaeantyshev: you have a review on 21112415:32
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anteayaso unless someone speaks up to stop me, I shall close today's meeting15:32
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anteayathanks to everyone for your attendance and kind participation15:33
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anteayasee you next week15:33
anteaya#endmeeting15:33
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akuznetsova#startmeeting Mistral16:03
openstackMeeting started Mon Aug 10 16:03:57 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is akuznetsova. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:03
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akuznetsovahi there16:04
^Gal^Hi all16:04
gpazHi all16:04
m4dcoderhi!16:04
LimorStotlandHi all16:04
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akuznetsovaRenat and Nikolay are ill today :-(16:05
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akuznetsovaso I guess that we can start16:05
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^Gal^:(16:05
akuznetsova#topic Action Items review16:06
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akuznetsovawe have two action items from previous meeting16:06
akuznetsovaNikolayM provide a plan of what we are going to do in L-3 iteration16:06
akuznetsovaand16:06
akuznetsovaNikolayM, all: look through the blueprints and think about what do we need in L-316:07
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akuznetsovaI didn't have enough time for looking through bps :-(16:07
akuznetsovaas far as I know Renat and Nikolay too16:07
^Gal^when is the l2 due date?16:07
LimorStotlandI have something i think we need to land to L316:08
akuznetsova^Gal^, last week16:08
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^Gal^oh ok lol, had that strange feeling16:08
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akuznetsova^Gal^, Renat was in the business trip last week16:08
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^Gal^yeah he was at our offices in Israel16:08
akuznetsovaLimorStotland, you can assign it to L-316:09
gpazActualy the bp that I was working on already done and wait for review16:09
LimorStotlandok cool...16:09
gpazhttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/expiration-policies-for-executions16:09
akuznetsovacause we don't have a strictly defined roadmap for l-3, we still need to discuss it16:09
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gpazAnd already targeted to L-316:10
akuznetsovamaybe we can create a meeting in irc in mistral channel and look through all bps together16:10
akuznetsovawhat do you think about it&16:10
LimorStotlandwhat about kong pagging feature? we also need it in L316:10
^Gal^sounds good to me16:10
LimorStotlandakuznetsova : it's a good idea.16:11
LimorStotlanddo you want to want to Renat or should we schedule it?16:12
akuznetsova#action akuznetsova create meeting for l-3 roadmap discussion16:12
LimorStotland*wait to Rent16:12
akuznetsovaLimorStotland, we need to find appropriate for all time16:12
LimorStotlandOk16:12
akuznetsovaLimorStotland, firstly I will talk with Renat16:12
^Gal^Mistral dashboard and UI-wise, think we should check Horizon progress with the Angular JS implementation for l-316:13
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^Gal^Timur and Niu probably know best16:13
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akuznetsovaplease, prepare list of bps which you what to discuss and assign to l-316:13
akuznetsova*want16:14
^Gal^I'll make us an Angular JS one16:14
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LimorStotlandI think all BP that are marked as L3 no?16:14
akuznetsovaLimorStotland, yes) but maybe you will find something new)16:14
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akuznetsovawe will send an email about meeting information16:15
LimorStotlandSo make it as L316:15
akuznetsovaok, cool, let's go to the next topic16:15
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akuznetsova#topic Current status16:16
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^Gal^I'll take me an action item to create AngularJS blueprint and check the mistral-dashboard related blueprints16:16
LimorStotlandI think what we want to add to L3 we need to mark it as L3 and then in the meeting we can discuss on the list16:16
akuznetsovaLimorStotland, agreed16:16
LimorStotlandmy status: renat and i discovered that the problem i have aren't connecting to qpid, it's happened because 2 Scheduler can't play with each other. So i changed the qpid bp to : https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/scheduler-ha  and i am working on it16:16
gpazmy status : Expiration Policy For Execution BP : As I said, All code in gerrit and waiting for your reviews.16:17
^Gal^Current Status: Working on execution overview screen, finished all the wiring. Just need to use the horizon overview template and I'm done.16:17
^Gal^Cores - please review my commits:16:17
^Gal^https://review.openstack.org/#/c/211183/16:17
^Gal^https://review.openstack.org/#/c/210817/16:17
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gpazhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/20648316:17
akuznetsovamy status: prepared fix for running unit tests on the new gate, stumbled upon a problem that our unit tests do not work with real db (there are different problems here)16:17
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akuznetsova^Gal^, could you please add reviewers to your patch ?16:18
^Gal^Sure, should I add all cores?16:19
m4dcoderI'm done with the error-resume bp. The patches were already approved but there was some problem trying to get pass Jenkins. I fixed it and currently waiting for folks to re-approve.16:19
LimorStotlandakuznetsova should unit tests work with real DB?16:19
akuznetsova^Gal^, you can simple type "mistral-core" in the field16:19
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akuznetsovaLimorStotland, we had such use case16:19
LimorStotlandm4dcoder  can you add link to your commit ?16:19
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^Gal^Thanks :) didn't want to bother them, but I'll add them16:20
akuznetsovam4dcoder, am I correct that this initiative was from your side ?16:20
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akuznetsova^Gal^, it is their work) you can add me too, but I am not a core reviewer)16:20
^Gal^akuznetsova: lol OK :) just added them, and i'm adding you too :P16:21
akuznetsova^Gal^, thanks)16:21
m4dcoderyes, the bp is started by my team here.16:22
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m4dcoderhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/202342/16:22
m4dcoderand https://review.openstack.org/#/c/202343/16:22
akuznetsovaas far as I know, Renat was on the business trip, Nikolay worked on documentation and review16:22
akuznetsovanice16:23
akuznetsova#topic Open discussion16:23
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akuznetsovaare there any questions from you guys?16:24
LimorStotlandm4dcoder I raised a concern on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/202343/16:24
m4dcoderI already answered them there. :D16:24
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akuznetsovam4dcoder, I have a question for you16:25
m4dcodersure16:25
akuznetsovaas I said we have a problem with running unit tests with real db16:26
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m4dcoderwhat's the problem?16:26
m4dcoderon postgresql?16:26
akuznetsovaif we run all tests in a few threads, we got a lot of error because of incorrect cleanup mechanism16:26
akuznetsovayes16:26
akuznetsovatest is in one thread it still working, but test from another one just has finished and kill all resources, including resources of first test16:27
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m4dcoderhow can i reproduce?16:28
akuznetsovagetch on my last commit https://review.openstack.org/#/c/209926/ and run "./run_tests --dbtype postgresql --parallel true"16:29
akuznetsova*fetch16:29
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m4dcoderok. i'll give that a try. will your solution to set parallel false be sufficient?16:29
akuznetsovathe result of running all tests in one thread can be found here http://logs.openstack.org/26/209926/5/check/gate-mistral-tox-unit-postgresql/c68c602/console.html.gz16:30
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akuznetsovain this case we have another error16:30
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akuznetsovasqlalchemy.exc.OperationalError: (psycopg2.OperationalError) FATAL:  remaining connection slots are reserved for non-replication superuser connections16:30
m4dcoderthat looks like a random error16:30
akuznetsovano16:31
m4dcodernot the sqlalchemy error but the one in the console.html16:31
akuznetsovaplease, can you take a look at it?16:31
m4dcoderi will take a look at it. but what's the max connection setting for postgresql on the box?16:31
m4dcoderi think you may need to increase that in the postgresql conf.16:32
akuznetsova#action m4dcoder take a look at problem with postgresql unit tests running16:32
akuznetsovam4dcoder, hm16:32
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m4dcoderi'm pretty sure the problem from the sqlalchemy error is that it reached the max concurrent connection to the postgresql DB.16:33
m4dcoderi usually have to increase that to 500 on my devbox.16:33
akuznetsovam4dcoder, need to investigate it, postgresql config is modifing in openstack-infra scripts16:34
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m4dcoderthanks!16:35
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akuznetsovait will be a long way (I mean to make a fix in infra)16:35
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akuznetsovamaybe we can fix cleanup mechanism in our tests and run them in a few threads ?16:35
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m4dcoderi'll take another look at the unit test.  it's already trying to clean up connections in the pool.16:37
akuznetsovaok, need to think about it and find a final decision16:37
akuznetsovathat's all from my side16:37
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akuznetsovaguys, any other topics for discussion ?16:38
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^Gal^hm,16:39
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^Gal^we still have the meeting time block thingy to take a look at16:39
^Gal^not the entire team is here16:39
akuznetsova^Gal^, yes (16:40
^Gal^we could take that as another action item IMO16:41
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akuznetsova#action akuznetsova start a discussion in the ml about new community meeting time16:42
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^Gal^thanks :) appreciate16:42
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akuznetsovaI will send an email about free slots , all of you can leave a comment about what time is the most appropriate and I hope, that we will solve this problem16:43
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^Gal^#action ^Gal^ look at mistral-dashboard blueprints regarding l-3, add an AngularJS migration blueprint16:44
^Gal^akuznetsova: that would be great, thanks!16:44
akuznetsovaanything else?16:44
^Gal^that's all from me16:45
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m4dcoderthanks for running the meeting!16:46
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akuznetsovathanks for coming)16:46
^Gal^+1!16:46
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m4dcodercya16:46
akuznetsovalet's wrap the meeting16:47
^Gal^bye all, have a great week16:47
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akuznetsovabye-bye16:47
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LimorStotlandbye16:47
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akuznetsova#endmeeting16:47
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vigneshvarHi17:00
matjazphi vigneshvar17:00
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matjazpjust looking at the docs ml.. sayali, sean and roger cant make it17:00
matjazpanyone else here?17:01
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vigneshvarmatjazp: what is for discussion today ?17:01
matjazp #startmeeting training-guides17:01
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matjazphmm?17:03
vigneshvarno one else i guess17:03
matjazpwhats with the bot?17:03
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matjazp#startmeeting training-guides17:04
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matjazproll call17:04
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vigneshvarHi...17:05
matjazpvigneshvar: looks like it's just you and me?17:05
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vigneshvarmatjazp: yes. Anything on labs section i can take up ?17:05
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matjazpI was hoping to discuss things about the status of the Training guides, but it looks like it won't happen17:06
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matjazpvigneshvar: I guess all things will have to wait for next week17:07
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vigneshvarare there any presentations on training guides that is going for summit ?17:07
matjazpvigneshvar: I don't think so.. I remember discussing about it, but I don't know if anything was decided17:09
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vigneshvarmatjazp: ok . I guess we have to continue next week then17:09
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matjazpvigneshvar: yes, looks like it. sorry for lost time, I too would like to clear some things, but I guess it wont happen until nex week17:10
vigneshvarmatjazp: no worries.17:10
matjazpvigneshvar: see you next week17:10
vigneshvarmatjazp: see you next week. :)17:11
matjazpbye!17:11
matjazp#endmeeting17:12
vigneshvarbye17:12
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adam_g#startmeeting akanda18:07
openstackMeeting started Mon Aug 10 18:07:49 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is adam_g. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.18:07
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.18:07
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adam_go/18:08
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markmcclainlikely quiet meeting today since 3 people are out today18:08
adam_g#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/akanda#Agenda18:08
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adam_g#topic outstanding items from last week18:09
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adam_gso the one thing thats carried over since last has been the versioning changes18:09
adam_gto my knowledge sarob still hasn't pushed out any tags for the latest liberty milestone18:09
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adam_gIIRC we were waiting on that to happen before switching to a 7.0.0 semver change (aligned /w neutron)18:10
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markmcclainright.. the tags have not ben pushed yet18:10
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adam_gthere is also this bug which makes doing any versioning things tricky ATM https://bugs.launchpad.net/akanda/+bug/148187718:10
openstackLaunchpad bug 1481877 in akanda "stable/juno branches are versioned incorrectly" [Undecided,New]18:10
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1481877 in akanda "stable/juno branches are versioned incorrectly" [Undecided,New]18:10
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1481877 in akanda "stable/juno branches are versioned incorrectly" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/148187718:10
adam_g#lin khttps://bugs.launchpad.net/akanda/+bug/148187718:11
adam_gderp18:11
adam_g#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/akanda/+bug/148187718:11
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adam_gactually that makes tagging anything tricky ATM, not necessarily the version change18:12
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markmcclaincan we push no-op commits to break the deadlock?18:12
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markmcclainso that the refs are different?18:12
adam_gmarkmcclain, i dont think so. the akanda-horizon package cant be setup atm due to the PBR mismatch18:13
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adam_gi *think* we can just push a 2014.2 tag to akanda-horizon stable/juno18:13
adam_gthen update setup.cfg18:13
markmcclainok.. cool18:13
adam_gwait no, that wont work?18:13
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adam_g2015.2.0b1  points to stable/juno now18:14
adam_ganyway, we can figure it out in that bug18:14
markmcclainok.. cool18:14
adam_g#action get versioning sane across stable branches (#1481877), sarob to tag 2015.2.0b218:15
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adam_g#topic critical bugs18:15
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adam_gso working on something else, i happened upon  https://bugs.launchpad.net/akanda/+bug/148238918:16
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1482389 in akanda "demo tenant instance connectivity issues /w devstack " [High,New]18:16
openstackLaunchpad bug 1482389 in akanda "demo tenant instance connectivity issues /w devstack " [High,New]18:16
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1482389 in akanda "demo tenant instance connectivity issues /w devstack " [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/148238918:16
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adam_gim not sure if its a critical issue or something trivial being overlooked  by me or devstack18:16
adam_git feels just like what we saw that required forcing of UDP checksuming  on DHCP packets18:16
adam_gi haven't had time to dig in18:16
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markmcclainok.. let me know if you want me to dive into that one18:17
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adam_gif you find yourself with a devstack environment up, give it a shot18:18
adam_gmoving on...18:19
adam_g#topic gate status18:19
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adam_gmaster is green18:19
adam_gi went through and got stable/juno functional again last week18:19
adam_gsimilar stuff required for stable/kilo and up for review at https://review.openstack.org/#/q/(project:stackforge/akanda+OR+project:stackforge/akanda-appliance-builder+OR+project:stackforge/akanda-appliance+OR+project:stackforge/akanda-rug+OR+project:stackforge/akanda-neutron)+AND+status:open+AND+branch:stable/kilo,n,z18:19
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markmcclainright.. some of it is blocked needing a 2nd +218:20
markmcclainI'll work to get another reviewer18:20
adam_gk thnx18:20
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adam_gmy goal is to get the devstack job running on those branches as well18:20
adam_grequires some stuff backported from liberty, which is where we initially got it working18:21
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adam_g#topic progress on liberty milestone 218:21
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markmcclainyeah.. thats a good plan18:21
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adam_g#link https://launchpad.net/akanda/+milestone/liberty-218:22
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adam_gwe're now 10 days past the expected release of that, and 0 of the BPs are done. i wonder if we should adjust that date or bump them all?18:22
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markmcclainseems like we should bump them all.. not certain I'm seeing any that will complete in the near term18:23
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adam_gya. i wonder if we should just be following our own, less aggressive milestone schedule this cycle. but maybe we should differ till sarob and co. are around18:24
markmcclainyeah... we could put this on next week's agenda when everyone will be back18:24
adam_g#action sync with sarob to figure out what is going on with liberty-218:24
adam_gthats about all we have on the agenda. anything else?18:25
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markmcclainI think that's it for this week18:25
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adam_gright on. cya in #akanda.18:26
adam_g#endmeeting18:26
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geoffarnoldo\19:00
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sgordon-_-19:02
barrett#startmeeting Product Working Group19:02
openstackMeeting started Mon Aug 10 19:02:29 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is barrett. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:02
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geoffarnoldRoll call?19:03
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SheenaG1o/19:03
barrettHi everyone - let's start with roll call19:03
ShamailHi.19:03
geoffarnoldo\19:03
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* sgordon here19:03
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barrettgood to see everyone19:04
stephenwallihere19:04
barrett1st agenda item - User Stories19:04
barrett#topic User Story Status19:04
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barrettRocky/Shamail - any update on the repo?19:04
Arkady_Kanevskyhello19:04
SheenaG1Is there a bridge today?  Or just IRC?19:05
Shamail#link https://github.com/openstack/openstack-user-stories19:05
ShamailBridge as well19:05
barrettSheenaG1: Access: (888) 875-9370, Bridge: 3; Passcode: 127859819:05
SheenaG1Thanks barrett19:05
barrettAnd others too! :)19:05
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Shamail#link test commit: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/211272/19:05
geoffarnoldCan't join the bridge, so don't say anything critical19:05
barrettGeoffarnold: what's the issue?19:06
stephenwalliInvalid passcode on bridge19:06
Shamail#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2015-August/003021.html19:06
SheenaG1I got in with the code barrett just sent19:06
geoffarnoldbarrett I'm in a very noisy space.19:07
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ShamailI was providing an update on the repo.  It exists now but there was an issue with the creation of the gerrit group.19:07
ShamailThe infra team has submitted a patch to address it and will notify us once it's fixed19:07
ShamailThe two links show the repo location and the gerrit group discussion19:07
barrettGeoffarnold: OK, we'll make sure to capture points in the IRC19:07
Shamail#link https://launchpad.net/openstack-user-stories19:08
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ShamailHere is a link to our launchpad as well19:08
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barrettGiven the repo issues, we'll continue to plan to use the Google drive for posting user stories today: https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0BxtM4AiszlEyfm9UTW5LMEQ5cUhHbmFsSkd5WFNfdTMwVFIwRUM1TVFXSHhhWHl6VHlpRzg19:09
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barrettHas anyone had trouble accessing this drive?19:10
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stephenwalliI can read and clone the google drive for offline work19:11
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stephenwalliAlso on the bridge [finally]19:11
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barrettOur plan is to have all of the User Stories posted by end of day today - how is everyone doing on this?19:13
stephenwalliIs Deric Horn on the call?19:13
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ShamailI don't believe so.  He joined last week19:15
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barrettWednesday is the 1st 2 hr working session for this week. The goal is to review the user stories and consolidate as we can19:15
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barrett#action Shamail - send meeting invites for the Wed and Thurs Meetings19:16
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barrettThe plan for Thursday is to prioritize the user stories so we have an ordered list that we can test with the Operators next week19:16
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geoffarnoldEasier to spell names in IRC. I'm not happy with this mostly-voice trend19:17
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barrettGeoffArnold: I think it's a challenge to have both of these discussions be rich and complete19:18
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stephenwalliFor Jay: stephen.r.walli@hp.com19:18
barrettGeoffArnold: We can discuss our approach19:19
geoffarnoldI agree. But IRC gives us minutes. Are we recording the bridge?19:19
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barrett#topic User Story Review Plan for this week19:19
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cloudrancherThanks Stephen!19:19
barrettThink we've covered most of the plans - any questions/comments?19:20
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barrettOnce the repo is up, we'll each be responsible for moving our user stories19:20
barrett#action Shamail - send out a note to the ML when the Repo is ready with instructions on how to post user stories19:22
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barrettOn the priorization for Thursday, we had discussed this criteria: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nYREffeYF_S6-fXV8qplbUIDMJG0HSxWMFQQ-9GrmME/edit19:24
barrettThoughts?19:25
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barrettTo be clear, for this pilot phase, we hadn't planned to have broad based voting on the user stories because we don't have the infrastructure to support19:26
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barrettWe had planned to have this team review and set priorities and then review in Cross-Project team meeting to gain more feedback before finalizing19:27
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stephenwalliPublishing provides transparency.19:29
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barrettstephenwalli - Understand, open to proposals on how to do this effectively19:29
stephenwalliVoting outside of our group is a delicate issue. We’re a meritocracy — not a democracy.19:29
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barrettI added voting methodolgy to the agenda for our midcycle meetup19:30
stephenwalliIf we’re part of the review system, then review voting can take its appropriate place.19:30
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ShamailSince this is the pilot phase and the voting mechanism isn't implemented yet (system, weighing, criteria, etc.) we will do our best to keep community updated on the pilot phase.19:31
barrettStephenwalli - once the repo is up and functioning we will get that feedback. Until then, we're taking a manual approach19:31
barrettAnything else on this topic?19:32
ShamailThis means that we will discuss our prioritized list with the cross project team and then share the prioritized list with the overall community.  At this point, we will also let the community know that there will be a voting system (hopefully we will have some details available after our midcycle) and we can update them on the status of implementing said system.19:32
barrettshamail: +119:33
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barrettmoving along19:33
barrett#topic Ops Mid Cycle Meetup Plans19:33
ShamailThe goal should be to have voting/prioritization established and open for launch of PWG (post-pilot)19:33
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Shamailstephenwalli: +119:34
barrettI forwarded an email from TomF that had the current schedule - everyone have that?19:34
geoffarnoldIt's likely that the Ops Midcycle will generate at least one new User Story19:34
barrettGeoffarnold: I sure hope so!!19:34
Arkady_Kanevskyhttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/productwg-liberty-midcycle-meetup19:34
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geoffarnoldNo, that's the other one19:34
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Shamail#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/product-wg/2015-August/000592.html (mail message)19:35
geoffarnoldThat's the ProductWG, not the Ops one19:35
geoffarnoldWe're talking about the Ops Meetup19:35
ShamailThe link I posted is to the Ops Schedule19:35
barrettThe goal for our participation in the Ops Mid cycle is to gather more user stories and increase the depth of content in existing ones19:35
barrettWhat I think we need to do is figure out who will attend which sessions and get the coverage we want19:36
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ShamailI can cover: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PAO-ops-tools-mon19:37
barrettAnyone want to volunteer for sessions they plan to attend?19:37
barrettThanks Shamail!19:37
ShamailAlso: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PAO-ops-packaging19:37
geoffarnoldI'll be in quite a few sessions19:37
geoffarnoldEspecially large scale and public cloud19:37
ShamailI recommend all of us attend the burning issues session as it is a great forum for discussing a multitude of topics.  Tuesday 10:30-11:15A19:38
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barrettGeoffArnold: Will list you for those sessions19:38
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barrettWe should all try to attend the Burning Issues session19:38
MeganRyou can put me into sessions as needed, I can be flexible on what I attend, happy to take what is remaining.19:38
ShamailI will also be there for the User Committee Session19:39
ShamailUpdated List for Me: Burning Issues, Monitoring, Packaging, Product WG, and User Committee19:39
geoffarnoldTuesday 13:30-15:0019:39
cloudrancherI can cover Containers for Deployment and anything else you need covered19:39
geoffarnoldActually three subsessions19:39
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Shamailgeoffarnold: that seems like a lot to pack into 40 min! :|19:40
Shamailerr nm19:40
Shamailthis is 90min19:40
barrettThanks Cloudrancher19:40
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barrettMeganR: Thanks.19:41
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barrettI'll cover Upgrades19:41
barrettMeganR: There'19:41
geoffarnoldThere are several Burning Issues sessions19:42
geoffarnoldit's a bit chaotic19:42
geoffarnoldI've been in the middle of the planning :-(19:42
barrettMeganR: There's a 2nd Burning issues on Tuesday. Will put you down for that for now19:42
MeganRok, that sounds good19:42
geoffarnoldPotential Google Hangout for main OPs Meetup19:43
Shamailsorry geoffarnold... but THANK YOU =)19:43
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geoffarnoldUnclear for breakouts - probably not19:43
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barrettthe CMDB session is about use cases, so I'll cover this one19:44
geoffarnoldMost important sessions are User Cttee, Large Scale, Tags, Burning Issues19:44
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Shamailgeoffarnold: +119:45
barrettI think we should cover networking too19:45
geoffarnoldWe should all keep a ProductWG Etherpad open to capture notes on whatever sessions we're covering19:45
geoffarnoldI'll be doing networking19:45
barrettThanks Geoff - Agree on the etherpad too19:46
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barrett#action Carol to send out email to ML with coverage plan for ops mid-cycle19:46
barrettLet's move on19:47
barrett#topic Interlock Plans for Nova19:47
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barrettShamail pls take it away19:47
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barrettJohn Garbutt sent a email reaching out to engage with us19:48
barrettthe nova meeting is thursday at 21:00 UTC19:49
geoffarnold2100 UTC coincides with one of ouur meetings this week, doesn't it?19:49
geoffarnoldI'm happy to join it19:49
barrettgeoffarnold: Yes, it does overlap for a bit19:50
ShamailThanks geoffarnold19:50
ShamailCount me in too!19:50
barrettThis brings us to the CPL topic too19:50
geoffarnoldWhich IRC channel?19:51
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Shamail#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova19:52
ShamailThe next meeting is at 8/13 21:00 UTC (#openstack-meeting)19:52
geoffarnoldYeah, it's #openstack-meeting19:52
geoffarnoldI'll be there19:53
barrettAnything else on this one?19:53
barrett#topic Work Group Plans for Tokyo19:54
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barrettThe slots are going fast19:54
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barrettI think we can use a room for 35 people19:57
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barrettIdeally, this would be near the end of the Summit, so we can use it as a wrap-up/planning session. Along the lines of what we did in Vancouver on Thursday19:57
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barrettIs there a preference for 40 min vs 90 min session?19:58
geoffarnoldWorks for me19:58
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barrettI think a 90 min session would be good19:58
ShamailWednesday: [11:15-11:55, 12:05, 12:45][4:40-5:20, 5:30-6:10]19:58
MeganR+1 - especially if we are using it as a wrap-up session19:58
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ShamailThursday: [9-9:40,9:50-10:30], [1:50-2:30, 2:40-3:20], [4:30-5:10, 5:20, 6]19:59
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barrettI would go with the Thursday 4:30 or 5:2019:59
barrettAre people planning to leave on Thursday?20:00
* geoffarnold has to drop off now20:00
ShamailI second 4:30 Thursday20:00
barrettGeoffArnold: Any preference for Tokyo?20:00
cloudrancher4:30 is my vote too20:00
geoffarnoldi'll be there the whole time20:00
ShamailHave a great day geoffarnold20:01
barrettAnyone object to 4:30 on Thursday?20:01
barrett#action Shamail to sign us up for a BoF on Thursday at 4:30 for 90 mins20:01
geoffarnoldno objections20:01
barrettwe're out of time for today20:01
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barrettSo pls look at the etherpad for our mid-cycle next week and add comments to shape the agenda20:01
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barrettWe'll cancel our meeting 8/17 because folks are traveling20:03
barrett#endmeeting20:03
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