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| ShillaSaebi | #startmeeting docteam | 13:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 17 13:00:56 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ShillaSaebi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' | 13:01 |
| ShillaSaebi | roll call...anyone here? | 13:01 |
| katomo | Hi | 13:01 |
| ShillaSaebi | hi katomo | 13:01 |
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| robcresswell | o/ | 13:01 |
| ShillaSaebi | hi Rob | 13:02 |
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| ShillaSaebi | ok lets go ahead and get started, looks like its just the 3 of us for now | 13:02 |
| robcresswell | Hi there. Took over from the previous Horizon liason at the summit, excited to help out. | 13:02 |
| ShillaSaebi | awesome!!! great news Rob! | 13:02 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Action Items | 13:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action Items (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 13:03 | |
| ShillaSaebi | lets go over the action items from the last meeting | 13:03 |
| ShillaSaebi | Liberty specs in review #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/docs-specs,n,z | 13:03 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #topic Reviews in progress | 13:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Reviews in progress (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 13:04 | |
| ShillaSaebi | Hi Scott!! | 13:04 |
| Zucan | Good morning :) | 13:05 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #link https://review.openstack.org/191074 (Debian Install Guide) | 13:05 |
| ShillaSaebi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191041/ (Driver docs - requires discussion) | 13:05 |
| ShillaSaebi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191520/ (Install Guide RST conversion) | 13:05 |
| ShillaSaebi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191077/ (Install Guide Liberty update) | 13:06 |
| ShillaSaebi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/177934/ (API work) | 13:06 |
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| ShillaSaebi_ | sorry got disconnected | 13:08 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | yes so if you guys can take a look at those links and review, it would be very helpful | 13:08 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | any questions? | 13:08 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | alrighty moving along | 13:09 |
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| ShillaSaebi_ | #topic Specialty teams | 13:09 |
| katomo | not yet. | 13:09 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/SpecialityTeams | 13:09 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | this is the page that lists all the documentation specialty teams | 13:09 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | there are 8 of them and if you want to contribute to a certain section, you can see their wiki page and get more details | 13:10 |
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| ShillaSaebi_ | #info HA Guide - RST migration is currently underway | 13:10 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/improve-ha-guide | 13:11 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | its my understanding that when making a change towards the HA guide, you should make the change with the XML and the RST for now | 13:11 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | since the conversion is in progress | 13:11 |
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| ShillaSaebi_ | #info Install Guides - the specs are now up for review | 13:12 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191077/ (Liberty update) | 13:12 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | and the install guide RST conversion is also underway | 13:12 |
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| ShillaSaebi_ | #info Networking Guide - this is in the test & review phase. The blueprint/specs are to be created for the Liberty work soon. | 13:13 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | #info Security Guide - RST conversion is in currently in the planning phase | 13:13 |
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| ShillaSaebi_ | #info User Guides - The cloud admin guide RST conversion is now underway and in progress | 13:14 |
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| ShillaSaebi_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/Migrate#Cloud_Admin_Guide_Migration | 13:14 |
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| ShillaSaebi_ | Hi Pratap! | 13:14 |
| pratap | Good morning Shilla | 13:14 |
| pratap | apologies for the delay in joining | 13:14 |
| Zucan | Are there links on RST or how to convert anywhere? | 13:14 |
| Zucan | Or is it recommneded to just dive in. | 13:14 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | I would say dive in but also reach out to the ML | 13:15 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | the docs ML | 13:15 |
| Zucan | ok | 13:15 |
| Zucan | Probably can search the archives too. | 13:15 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | We can schedule some time to go over it because I'm sure that's where we will be heading with the ops guide | 13:15 |
| Zucan | Exactly. | 13:15 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | which leads me to the next specialty team | 13:15 |
| Zucan | :) | 13:15 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | #info Ops/Arch Guides - This is a new speciality team that was just formed last week!!! | 13:15 |
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| ShillaSaebi_ | first meeting will be later this week | 13:15 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | and we were looking for volunteers, we seem to have a good amount but feel free to join in | 13:16 |
| katomo | !!! | 13:16 |
| openstack | katomo: Error: "!!" is not a valid command. | 13:16 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/OpsGuide | 13:16 |
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| ShillaSaebi_ | Hi MeganR! | 13:16 |
| katomo | I want to join ops guide. | 13:16 |
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| ShillaSaebi_ | katomo see the link above? feel free to sign up via the wiki page | 13:17 |
| MeganR | Good morning | 13:17 |
| katomo | got it. | 13:17 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | The whole guide is in XML, I'm sure we will work on migrating to RST | 13:17 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | lots of copy/editing to do as well | 13:17 |
| katomo | thanks. | 13:17 |
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| Zucan | Sounds mind-numbingly nice :) | 13:17 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | also need to update the content to match the newer releases | 13:17 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | looking forward to it and thank you Katomo | 13:18 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | #info API docs - If you have time please review the spec #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/177934/ | 13:18 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | #info Config Ref - Another new speciality team and thanks to Guavain for organizing it (I don't think he's here right now) | 13:18 |
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| ShillaSaebi_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/ConfigRef | 13:19 |
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| Zucan | Interesting... | 13:19 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | looks like as of now there are only 4 members on the team | 13:19 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | another good opportunity to sign up and help out | 13:20 |
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| katomo | hmmm | 13:20 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | especially operators and sys admins :) | 13:20 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | so those are all the updates I have for the specialty teams, hopefully will have more next week | 13:21 |
| Zucan | Agreed | 13:21 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | especially once the 2 new teams kick off | 13:21 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | any questions/concerns or comments? | 13:21 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | alright | 13:21 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | #topic Doc tools update | 13:22 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | I have no news or updates for this | 13:22 |
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| ShillaSaebi_ | #topic Liaisons | 13:23 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | just a heads up that we have lovely documentation liaisons: #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons#Documentation | 13:24 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | these are our SMEs so if you need clarification on a subject you are writing about or any assistance what so ever, you can always reach out to them | 13:24 |
| Zucan | That's handy | 13:24 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | yes, they can help with specialty information related to certain projects | 13:25 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | so if we need clarification on something, it is very helpful | 13:25 |
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| ShillaSaebi_ | we have one of our very own liaisons in this meeting now | 13:25 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | thanks Rob! | 13:25 |
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| ShillaSaebi_ | #topic APAC Meetups | 13:26 |
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| robcresswell | :) | 13:27 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | There are plans for an APAC OpenStack meet up in June, if you need any more information on it ping asettle & adahms | 13:27 |
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| ShillaSaebi_ | I know we're already in the middle of June but I'm not sure what dates | 13:27 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | I know it hasn't already happened yet | 13:27 |
| katomo | :-) | 13:27 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | Also there are plans for an APAC Docs Swarm on 13-14 August | 13:28 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | if you need anymore information on it ping Suyog | 13:28 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | #topic Ironic Docs | 13:28 |
| katomo | pshige here? | 13:29 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | Lana has been in touch with the ironic documentation team, and they're looking for some writing assistance on the ironic Installation Guide. In this case, some copy editing, and perhaps an architecture review, are required. | 13:29 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | I was able to get some work done on the install guide, I have a review out | 13:30 |
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| ShillaSaebi_ | its mainly copy editing work and formatting | 13:30 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191900/ | 13:30 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | feel free to review it | 13:30 |
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| ShillaSaebi_ | Gauvain and Nick are also going to be working on this. If you want to help and need more details, please ping Lana or send her an e-mail | 13:31 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | This is something we're doing as an alternative to bringing the guide into our repo. The docs will remain in the ironic repo which means the ironic dev team is responsible for the ongoing maintenance of the docs. | 13:32 |
| katomo | o.k. | 13:32 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | any questions about that? | 13:33 |
| katomo | none | 13:33 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | #topic Spotlight bugs | 13:34 |
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| ShillaSaebi_ | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1195875 Controller Callbacks | 13:34 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1195875 in openstack-manuals " Controller Callbacks" [Medium,Invalid] | 13:34 |
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| ShillaSaebi_ | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1201978 Pluggable Remote User | 13:34 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1201978 in openstack-manuals " Pluggable Remote User" [Medium,Confirmed] | 13:34 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1204566 Stop and delete operations | 13:34 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1204566 in openstack-manuals " Stop and delete operations should give guest a chance to shutdown" [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to Olga Gusarenko (ogusarenko) | 13:34 |
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| ShillaSaebi_ | if those can get some attention, that would be great | 13:36 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | thats all i got folks | 13:36 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | #topic Open Discussion | 13:36 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | anything anyone wants to bring up or talk about/discuss>? | 13:37 |
| Zucan | I don't have anything. | 13:37 |
| katomo | none | 13:37 |
| robcresswell | I had a question | 13:37 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | sure | 13:37 |
| robcresswell | w/ regards to out of repo docs, like Horizon, and Ironic it seems, whats is the review process? | 13:38 |
| robcresswell | Should I be asking for docs cores to look over before merging into Horizon etc | 13:38 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | you can | 13:38 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | i have made changes to the dev docs in sahara, ironic, horizon, cinder | 13:38 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | I find that every project has been very appreciative of any doc changes we put in | 13:38 |
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| ShillaSaebi_ | I have had to pull in a core before to discuss formatting, or stuff the project team was unclear about | 13:39 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | a doc core that is | 13:39 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | I would say work on it and then you can post the links during the meetings or send to the ML if it's not making any traction | 13:39 |
| robcresswell | Awesome. I have some work coming along, so should I just use the mailer to ask for reviews, or is IRC preferred? | 13:39 |
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| ShillaSaebi_ | either is fine, probably ML since not everyone is watching IRC | 13:40 |
| robcresswell | Sure thing. Thanks. | 13:40 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | anytime! | 13:40 |
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| ShillaSaebi_ | any other questions? | 13:41 |
| Daviey | Hi, the calendar schedule suggests the doc team meeting starts in 19 mins.. Is it wrong? | 13:41 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | Hi Daviey, yes the meeting started at 9:00 AM ET (1:00 PM UTC) | 13:42 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | which calendar did you look at? | 13:42 |
| Daviey | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#Documentation_Team_Meeting | 13:42 |
| Daviey | (and the generated ical) | 13:42 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | wow you are right about that | 13:43 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | it says 1400 UTC | 13:43 |
| katomo | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/DocTeamMeeting | 13:43 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | I will talk to Lana and have her modify it | 13:43 |
| Daviey | great | 13:44 |
| katomo | thanks | 13:44 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | in the meantime you can get the details for today from: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/MeetingLogs | 13:44 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | once I do the logging at the end | 13:44 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | sorry about that Daviey | 13:44 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | Ill make sure to send an email to Lana immediately | 13:45 |
| Daviey | no problem, thanks | 13:45 |
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| robcresswell | I changed the wiki | 13:45 |
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| robcresswell | The other page I'm not sure how | 13:45 |
| katomo | :) | 13:45 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | thanks rob | 13:45 |
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| ShillaSaebi_ | The IRC meetings schedule is driven by the openstack-infra/irc-meetings repository apparently | 13:46 |
| robcresswell | Yeah, just putting up a patch | 13:46 |
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| ShillaSaebi_ | yeah ok we can get it modified | 13:46 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | ok anything else anyone wants to bring up? | 13:47 |
| katomo | nothing | 13:47 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | alright I guess we can go ahead and call it. Thank you everyone for joining! | 13:48 |
| pratap | thank you | 13:48 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | #endmeeting | 13:48 |
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| katomo | Thanks, see you. | 13:48 |
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| robcresswell | Thanks everyone | 13:49 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 17 14:54:50 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-06-17-13.00.html | 14:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-06-17-13.00.txt | 14:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-06-17-13.00.log.html | 14:54 |
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| zongliang | hi | 15:54 |
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| thingee | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 17 16:00:01 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is thingee. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| thingee | hi all! | 16:00 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:00 |
| tbarron | hi | 16:00 |
| geguileo | hi! | 16:00 |
| erlon | hi | 16:00 |
| xyang1 | Hi | 16:00 |
| zongliang | hi | 16:00 |
| abhishekk | hi o/ | 16:00 |
| Swanson | hello | 16:00 |
| kmartin | o/ | 16:00 |
| asselin | o/ | 16:00 |
| dannywilson | hello | 16:00 |
| scottda | hi | 16:00 |
| thingee | #topic announcements | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| dguryanov | hi | 16:00 |
| thingee | So Liberty-1 is coming to a close | 16:00 |
| thangp | o/ | 16:00 |
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| thingee | important dates | 16:00 |
| thingee | #link https://launchpad.net/cinder/+milestone/liberty-1 | 16:01 |
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| thingee | #info new drivers need to be merged by June 19th | 16:01 |
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| thingee | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-liberty-drivers | 16:01 |
| thingee | those are the drivers that have a chance | 16:01 |
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| thingee | note, that this list unfortunately was updated again =/ | 16:02 |
| zongliang | I want to ask l-2 can merge update driver | 16:02 |
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| dulek_home | hi! | 16:02 |
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| hemna | thingee, I signed up for 2 of those | 16:02 |
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| thingee | zongliang: driver updates have nothing to do with new drivers. | 16:02 |
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| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:02 |
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| smcginnis | o/ | 16:03 |
| thingee | for your convenience here's a list of reviews needed that are not driver related: | 16:03 |
| thingee | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-liberty-1-reviews | 16:03 |
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| thingee | drivers have priority this milestone though so once that list is done, please take a look at the blueprints and bugs for L-1 | 16:03 |
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| thingee | #info Cinder L-1 may close 6-25 or sooner | 16:04 |
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| thingee | I've already taking the liberty (heh) to moving stuff to L-2 https://launchpad.net/cinder/+milestone/liberty-2 that doesn't stand a chance | 16:05 |
| thingee | any questions? | 16:05 |
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| thingee | alright lets get started! | 16:05 |
| thingee | agenda for today: | 16:05 |
| thingee | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderMeetings#Next_meeting | 16:06 |
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| dulek_home | thingee: We've established the deadline for TaskFLow refactoring for L-1. Now BP is L-2, are we moving the deadline? | 16:06 |
| thingee | #topic Multiattach volumes | 16:06 |
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| thingee | hemna: hi | 16:06 |
| hemna | hey | 16:06 |
| thingee | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-volume-multiattach | 16:06 |
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| thingee | dulek_home: lets talk later | 16:06 |
| thingee | or setup an agenda item | 16:06 |
| thingee | :) | 16:06 |
| hemna | so the question with this one is how to report the capability | 16:06 |
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| hemna | I modified the 3PAR driver to report multiattach = True in the get_volume_stats | 16:07 |
| hemna | and had a patch against LVM as well | 16:07 |
| hemna | but there were a few objections saying that we should just silently default the capability to True | 16:07 |
| thingee | hemna: can we do that for now, but have it in our best interest to that changing for the standard capability stuff? | 16:07 |
| hemna | so I just wanted to iron this out here. | 16:07 |
| thingee | to changing that* | 16:07 |
| flip214 | hemna: does multiattach mean that eg. multiple nova nodes access the same volume via iSCSI? | 16:08 |
| hemna | I personally like the explicit declaration of capabilities | 16:08 |
| geguileo | I am in favor of keeping it explicit, like in that patch | 16:08 |
| hemna | so they aren't hidden or inferred. | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: ++ | 16:08 |
| e0ne | hemna: how many drivers be broken if we'll set multiattach=true? | 16:08 |
| flip214 | because that would mean that they need some kind of DLM etc. | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: Was wondering that as well. | 16:08 |
| hemna | flip214, it means that the driver and it's backend support attaching a single volume to more than one instance/host | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | My opinion - either default it to false so those drivers that don't support it aren't impacted, or default to true and update each driver to report false. | 16:08 |
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| flip214 | hemna: okay. what about volumes stored on multiple hosts, like Ceph or DRBD? | 16:09 |
| hemna | I don't know of all of the backends and what they support or don't | 16:09 |
| flip214 | that means that all the Nova nodes need access to all the storage nodes. | 16:09 |
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| hemna | which is why I think it's safer to explicitly report the capability | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: That sounds like a safer approach. | 16:09 |
| patrickeast | seems like the safest is to default to false, right? | 16:09 |
| hemna | flip214, that's not multiattach | 16:09 |
| flip214 | and that means IMO that there has to be a way to *check* that | 16:09 |
| thingee | jungleboyj, smcginnis the former or latter ? | 16:10 |
| hemna | flip214, multiattach as supported in Cinder means a single cinder volume can be attached to more than 1 host/instance | 16:10 |
| xyang__ | smcginnis: I suggest default to False to be safe | 16:10 |
| thingee | xyang__: +1 | 16:10 |
| hemna | it's up to the user to make sure it has the right filesystem on that volume to actually work. | 16:10 |
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| eharney | i'd also rather default to false | 16:10 |
| vilobhmm | xyang__ : +1 | 16:10 |
| tbarron | xyang__: ++ | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: To default to false and let those who support it report true. | 16:10 |
| flip214 | hemna: understood. | 16:10 |
| geguileo | xyang__: +1 | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | thingee: xyang__ +1 | 16:10 |
| Swanson | xyang__: +1 | 16:10 |
| thingee | hemna: seems we have consensus | 16:10 |
| hemna | ok cool. | 16:10 |
| flip214 | xyang__: +1 | 16:10 |
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| erlon | xyang__: +1 | 16:11 |
| hemna | sounds good to me. thanks guys. | 16:11 |
| e0ne | +1 to make default as False | 16:11 |
| ameade | o/ | 16:11 |
| thingee | hemna: take note of my earlier comment though | 16:11 |
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| thingee | hemna: I can take care of that though | 16:11 |
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| hemna | thingee, coolio | 16:11 |
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| jungleboyj | Good talk, good talk. :-) | 16:11 |
| thingee | with capabilities in cinder from the summit, we already agreed the manager by default would report false on capabilities, unless the driver explicitly says true | 16:12 |
| hemna | ok I'll also take the LVM patch out of WIP. | 16:12 |
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| hemna | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190725/ | 16:12 |
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| hemna | that's the capability reporting for LVM | 16:12 |
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| hemna | I'll push up a new patch on the lvm driver that removes the 'WIP' in the commit message and clean up the message itself. | 16:13 |
| hemna | thanks guys. | 16:13 |
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| thingee | thanks | 16:13 |
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| jungleboyj | hemna: ++ | 16:13 |
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| thingee | #topic Add support to return request_id of last request (python-cinderclient) | 16:13 |
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| abhishekk | hi | 16:14 |
| thingee | abhishekk: hi | 16:14 |
| thingee | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/python-cinderclient/+spec/return-req-id | 16:14 |
| thingee | blueprint ^ | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | So, todo for the rest of us, if we support multi-attach to add it to our capabilities reporting. | 16:14 |
| thingee | cross project spec: | 16:14 |
| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/156508/8 | 16:14 |
| thingee | gerrit patch for cinderclient: | 16:14 |
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| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/173199/ | 16:14 |
| abhishekk | Doug hellmann suggested to use thread local storage | 16:14 |
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| abhishekk | for storing the last request id in client | 16:14 |
| abhishekk | which will not break the comptibility | 16:15 |
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| abhishekk | I would like to here the opinions of community members on this approach | 16:15 |
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| eharney | the general idea sounds reasonable to me | 16:16 |
| abhishekk | IMO this is a plus point for the end-user to know the request id of his request which will help him to understand the cause of failure | 16:16 |
| ameade | sounds good to me | 16:16 |
| bswartz | what can a client do with the request ID once he has it? | 16:17 |
| abhishekk | I also like to complete it within liberty time frame | 16:17 |
| abhishekk | it will be used for logging | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | abhishekk: Yeah, this is an idea I have been in support of. | 16:17 |
| abhishekk | bswartz: ^ | 16:17 |
| bswartz | cinder has no client-visible logs yet though, right? | 16:17 |
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| abhishekk | jungleboyj: thanks | 16:18 |
| hemna | bswartz, not that I know of | 16:18 |
| bswartz | so this only benefits clients who are also administrators, or clients working with administrators to debug an issue | 16:18 |
| vilobhmm | abhishekk, thingee: can't we get the request_id from the context | 16:18 |
| vilobhmm | https://github.com/openstack/cinder/blob/master/cinder/context.py#L65 | 16:18 |
| geguileo | But if you report an issue to IT and you have the request ID, everyting is easier to track | 16:18 |
| ameade | bswartz: it's really useful when someone calls support | 16:18 |
| vilobhmm | or its not applicable in this case ? | 16:19 |
| hemna | so what do the other clients do wrt to the optional return_req_id | 16:19 |
| abhishekk | vilobhmm: this is the request-id of the caller service | 16:19 |
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| bswartz | yeah I'm just trying to understand the use case | 16:19 |
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| hemna | we should be consistent with others that do this same thing. | 16:19 |
| flip214 | how about having cinderclient log to syslog by default? command used, and resulting req-id | 16:19 |
| bswartz | it makes sense | 16:19 |
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| flip214 | then everybody could look it up | 16:19 |
| ameade | abhishekk: whatever happend to the 'transaction_id' concept? | 16:19 |
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| vilobhmm | abhishekk : ok | 16:19 |
| flip214 | and it doesn't have to be stored anywhere explicitly | 16:19 |
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| flip214 | or, perhaps, just append to ~/.cinderclient/requests.log by default... | 16:20 |
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| abhishekk | flip214: the basic idea is if nova calls cinder, then it should have both request id's | 16:20 |
| flip214 | and if that isn't possible, put a warning to STDERR: "can't append logfile ..., last req-id is ..." | 16:20 |
| flip214 | abhishekk: okay. I guess I've misunderstood the issue at hand (again), so I'll just shut up. | 16:21 |
| abhishekk | flip214: these request id's will be logged on same line so that it will be useful for tracing | 16:21 |
| erlon | ameade: would this help/relate in the async error reporting you've working on? | 16:21 |
| ameade | erlon: it would definitely be something i would want in the payload | 16:21 |
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| hemna | guys, fwiw, there still is no agreement on the cross project spec itself | 16:21 |
| hemna | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/156508/ | 16:21 |
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| ameade | hemna: thanks for the link! | 16:22 |
| hemna | shouldn't we at least wait or comment on that first ? | 16:22 |
| tbarron | +1 | 16:22 |
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| jungleboyj | hemna: Thanks, was wondering about that. I am surprised the contention around this. It seems logical. | 16:22 |
| abhishekk | hemna: yes, I am talking with them as well, but they suggested to talk with individual teams | 16:22 |
| hemna | also, there is still the issue of the optional command line arg for cinderclient | 16:22 |
| hemna | we should be consistent with what other clients do wrt this | 16:23 |
| ameade | +1 | 16:23 |
| hemna | other than that, I think this is a good idea | 16:23 |
| abhishekk | hemna: I am proposing this in all clients (neutron, glance, cinder, heat) | 16:23 |
| hemna | abhishekk, so the optional arg is the same for all ? | 16:23 |
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| abhishekk | hemna: still working on that | 16:24 |
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| abhishekk | I have code ready for cinderclient and needs early feedbcak from the community members | 16:24 |
| hemna | ok, that needs ironing out then IMHO | 16:25 |
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| abhishekk | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/173199/ | 16:25 |
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| abhishekk | please give your opinions for the same | 16:25 |
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| hemna | abhishekk, ok I don't see any changes to shell.py to add the optional return id | 16:26 |
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| ameade | abhishekk: I will definitely review that spec, thanks for bringing this up | 16:26 |
| abhishekk | ameade: thank you | 16:26 |
| hemna | probably should mark that as WIP, until it's complete and have the return arg ironed out. | 16:27 |
| vilobhmm | agree | 16:27 |
| abhishekk | hemna: I will set WIP | 16:27 |
| hemna | ok coolio. | 16:27 |
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| thingee | abhishekk: we'll look out for consensus on the cross project | 16:28 |
| abhishekk | thingee: ok | 16:28 |
| hemna | abhishekk, thanks for the work! I think it's great fwiw | 16:28 |
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| abhishekk | hemna: thank you | 16:29 |
| thingee | #topic open discussion | 16:29 |
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| abhishekk | I will update about other meetings output (glance and nova) | 16:29 |
| abhishekk | thank you all | 16:29 |
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| hemna | sorrison, any chance I can get some other eyes on the os-brick patches ? | 16:30 |
| hemna | so | 16:30 |
| zongliang | I want to learn when need 3rd ci stable | 16:30 |
| hemna | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/os-brick,n,z | 16:30 |
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| smcginnis | hemna: I'll take a look. | 16:31 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: Sure. | 16:31 |
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| hemna | the HGST connector looks like it's good to go | 16:31 |
| thingee | zongliang: for which driver? | 16:31 |
| hemna | and it looks like there have been a few new ones added while I was out | 16:31 |
| zongliang | Huawei driver | 16:31 |
| thingee | zongliang: I haven't really figured that out yet. | 16:31 |
| thingee | guess I could ask folks here. | 16:32 |
| dulek_home | thingee: About TaskFlow refactoring - we've agreed on 6 week deadline. That's the beggining of L-2, so I think targeting BPs for L-2 is fine. | 16:32 |
| dulek_home | s/BPs/BP | 16:32 |
| e0ne | hemna, thingee: we need to add os-brick to our review dashboard | 16:32 |
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| hemna | e0ne, +1 | 16:32 |
| thingee | dulek_home: ok, also your first patch should be landing https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/cinder+topic:+bp/taskflow-refactoring,n,z | 16:32 |
| zongliang | We meet some network problem for the goverment forbidden | 16:32 |
| thingee | #action thingee to add os-brick to dashboard | 16:32 |
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| thingee | #action thingee to propose cinder dashboard | 16:33 |
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| thingee | alright lets discuss CI stability | 16:33 |
| thingee | #topic Cinder CI stability | 16:33 |
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| dulek_home | thingee: Thanks, that's actually a second patch, I've did some work in scheduler flow too. Now the hardest part - manager. ;) | 16:33 |
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| thingee | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/third-party-announce/2015-June/thread.html | 16:33 |
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| thingee | I've been all over the place on here... there's a lot of CI's that need help | 16:34 |
| zongliang | Yes | 16:34 |
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| thingee | Some CI's have not been running for 72 days... and the maintainers have been inactive. | 16:34 |
| e0ne | thingee: 2c from my side: there are some CIs that reports after patch is merged | 16:34 |
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| hemna | doh | 16:34 |
| thingee | e0ne: yeah I think that's a separate issue on being able to scale with patches coming in. SOmething we haven't touched on yet | 16:35 |
| zongliang | We meet some problem for the network problem | 16:35 |
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| thingee | and something I don't think we can touch on yet until we can be regularly posting comments from CI | 16:35 |
| hemna | e0ne, scaling is a problem for some folks. the amount of Cinder patches that kick off CI is a non trivial thing. | 16:35 |
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| e0ne | hemna: agree, fair enough | 16:35 |
| xyang__ | hemna: scaling is a problem for us too | 16:36 |
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| thingee | so I think we talked about this in another meeting of how long we give CI's until we kick the driver | 16:36 |
| hemna | I kinda think that 3rd party CI shouldn't kick off until after the standard check's have +1'd (jenkins) | 16:36 |
| hemna | that might help some. | 16:36 |
| smcginnis | hemna: That's what I do. | 16:36 |
| erlon | same here, the queue is been always bigger than what our slaves can handle :/ | 16:36 |
| thingee | this is not going to be where we set X amount of success versus X amount of failures... I think this should be on a case by case basis | 16:37 |
| akerr | hemna: +1, we do that as well | 16:37 |
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| xyang__ | hemna: I think we already do that is a few CI's | 16:37 |
| zongliang | May be help us | 16:37 |
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| smcginnis | thingee: Good point. I think first metric is do they run on every patch. Second metric is are they actually passing when they should. | 16:37 |
| hemna | thingee, so what if a CI system isn't working w/in a release milestone then it's up for getting booted ? | 16:38 |
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| thingee | In the past I think we said two weeks. I mean two weeks where there is not really progress on the issue. Progress is defined as something other than "we're working on it"... | 16:38 |
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| hemna | I think we should have some sort of 'standard' | 16:38 |
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| hemna | for reporting and success, then we can point to that when someone doesn't meet it. | 16:38 |
| hemna | even if the bar is low | 16:38 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: Within a milestonesounds reasonable. | 16:38 |
| thingee | I'm so sick of hear "we're working on it" ... it doesn't help me understand what progress is being made. | 16:38 |
| smcginnis | Two week warning, four week and you're in trouble? | 16:38 |
| hemna | if your stuff is broken for a milestone, then you get a warning that it needs to be fixed. if it's not fixed in the next milestone..., revert driver patch ? | 16:39 |
| hemna | dunno | 16:39 |
| hemna | just throwing that out in the wind. | 16:39 |
| Swanson | Are the warnings for this automated? | 16:39 |
| thingee | hemna: I don't think it's that simple. I have found some where they're actively trying to resolve an issue say in Nova.... so they end up skipping some tests until | 16:39 |
| flip214 | well, from *my* contributor side I'd be happy to explain in detail what I've been doing, even if it would still fail... | 16:39 |
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| thingee | hemna: and that can take time | 16:39 |
| flip214 | of course, that doesn't help in the big picture, but it would be more information than "working on it" | 16:40 |
| hemna | thingee, yah I think that's ok | 16:40 |
| thingee | that's why I'm saying we can't set a number of passes versus failures... (also note some failures are correct) ... I think they have to be reviewed on a case by case | 16:40 |
| hemna | thingee, I guess I'm thinking more of the really low bar case. where someone it's broken and there is no contact or no work being done. | 16:40 |
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| hemna | at least there is a 'standard' that we can all point to as a community and say, see, you didn't even meet this low bar. it's documented. | 16:41 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: Yeah, that was what I was thinking. | 16:41 |
| hemna | kinda a C.Y.A. | 16:41 |
| jungleboyj | Obviously there are the cases where we are seeing progress and the issue is being worked . Those are handled differently. | 16:41 |
| hemna | jungleboyj, +1 | 16:41 |
| smcginnis | hemna: +1. If it's not working and no one has stepped up to say they are working on it then that is pretty straightforward. | 16:41 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: ++ | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | If someone is working on it, then I do think that's more of a subjective evaluation. | 16:42 |
| hemna | smcginnis, but at least document the rules, and we can point to it when they get the wake up call that their driver was removed. | 16:42 |
| zongliang | +1 | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | hemna: +2 | 16:42 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: We let thingee work those out. :-) | 16:42 |
| xyang__ | hemna: +1 | 16:42 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: ++ | 16:42 |
| e0ne | hemna: it must be documented | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | The Enforcer. :) | 16:42 |
| patrickeast | so where do we track which ones are being worked on, unmaintained, need work, etc? | 16:42 |
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| thingee | hemna: what do you propose on standards? | 16:43 |
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| xyang__ | patrickeast: is jgriffith working on some chart? | 16:43 |
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| hemna | I mentioned it earlier | 16:43 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: https://s.yimg.com/fz/api/res/1.2/lG9j5MlWP6mbIullhk30Wg--/YXBwaWQ9c3JjaGRkO2g9MTA4MDtxPTk1O3c9MTkyMA--/http://cf2.imgobject.com/t/p/original/tAeUxFqTZcwVGuvUJMqNUcyojGF.jpg | 16:43 |
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| thingee | hemna: I remember you mentioned setting a bar, but I don't know what that is | 16:43 |
| hemna | basically that if your CI is borked, and you aren't fixing it/working on it, you get 1 more milestone to fix it, or revert driver patch is submitted. | 16:43 |
| hemna | it's a low bar | 16:43 |
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| akerr | there's already a third-party ci status page | 16:43 |
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| akerr | we should require that stays up-to-date | 16:44 |
| patrickeast | there are multiple of them iirc | 16:44 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Wish my gimp skills were up to putting blue hair on that. :) | 16:44 |
| xyang__ | akerr: the wiki? | 16:44 |
| asselin | akerr, +1 | 16:44 |
| thingee | hemna: that's sort of going away from our previous proposal | 16:44 |
| patrickeast | but doesn't help if the ci owners are not updating it | 16:44 |
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| thingee | hemna: that we agreed on | 16:44 |
| akerr | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ThirdPartySystems | 16:44 |
| hemna | thingee, ok which is ? | 16:44 |
| thingee | hemna: previously we said two weeks. | 16:44 |
| hemna | thingee, refresh my grey matter :) | 16:44 |
| xyang__ | akerr: that one is up to the driver maintainer to update | 16:44 |
| hemna | thingee, ok I think that's fine then as well. | 16:44 |
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| xyang__ | I think we need some auto generated graph | 16:45 |
| hemna | just as long as it's documented. | 16:45 |
| hemna | and we can point to it when they bitch that their driver is gone. :) | 16:45 |
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| thingee | akerr: I've been finding people aren't updating that =/ | 16:45 |
| smcginnis | +1 | 16:45 |
| hemna | that's really all I wanted. | 16:45 |
| akerr | xyang__: yes, and if the maintainers are active and their system is having issues this page should be up-to-date with that. If they can't even do this then it's more weight to remove them | 16:45 |
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| thingee | akerr: there is one driver in particular I've already proposed for removal for this reason | 16:45 |
| akerr | i just don't think "yet another" page to keep updated is the right approach | 16:46 |
| jungleboyj | patrickeast: Has a start at a dashboard. I have been using that. | 16:46 |
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| thingee | hemna: all my discussions are on the third party list. | 16:46 |
| thingee | hemna: some are still unanswered from last week | 16:46 |
| thingee | hemna: I also cc the maintainer | 16:46 |
| erlon | xyang__: there are some people working in gather all CI jobs and results in one page | 16:46 |
| thingee | akerr: I agree. no new page please. | 16:46 |
| thingee | akerr: we already don't use the existing one | 16:47 |
| patrickeast | yea so there is this thing I made http://ec2-54-67-102-119.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com:5000/?project=openstack%2Fcinder&user=&timeframe=24 | 16:47 |
| xyang__ | erlon: that will be nice | 16:47 |
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| patrickeast | but it won't show missing systems that stopped reporting very easily | 16:47 |
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| hemna | thingee, can we mention the upkeep 'rules' on this https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Cinder/tested-3rdParty-drivers ? | 16:47 |
| Swanson | patrickeast: that looks like a dell firewall error page. | 16:47 |
| erlon | patrickeast: nice, I that would be a good place to gather info to be able to set a bar | 16:48 |
| patrickeast | haha | 16:48 |
| thingee | hemna: sure | 16:48 |
| hemna | I don't see a discussion on what happens if your CI starts to fail after your driver is in. | 16:48 |
| hemna | thingee, that's all I was trying to propose. is that the rules, whatever they are, are documented. | 16:48 |
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| akerr | patrickeast: and that page isn't 100% yet. I've noticed several instances where at least our driver is shown as having no results when it did vote, or having failures when it really was successful. Not a dig on the page, just saying it still has work | 16:48 |
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| thingee | #action thingee to add CI upkeep on Cinder wiki | 16:49 |
| patrickeast | yep | 16:49 |
| hemna | thingee, thank you | 16:49 |
| hemna | :) | 16:49 |
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| jungleboyj | thingee: Thanks. | 16:49 |
| thingee | patrickeast: that reminds me, Microsoft needs to be looked at | 16:49 |
| xyang__ | thingee: document will be great. I can just send the link to people instead writing explanations myself | 16:49 |
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| hemna | thingee, Also, I'll work with asselin to add a section on how to CI for os-brick connectors and why it's important. I think that's also needed on that wiki page | 16:50 |
| jungleboyj | xyang__: ++ | 16:50 |
| xyang__ | hemna: +1 | 16:50 |
| e0ne | hemna: good point | 16:50 |
| dguryanov | thingee: What is "third party list"? | 16:51 |
| thingee | dguryanov: http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/third-party-announce | 16:51 |
| smcginnis | dguryanov: http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/third-party-announce | 16:51 |
| ociuhandu | thingee: the Microsoft CI is down due to a patch that merged last night | 16:51 |
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| dguryanov | thanks | 16:51 |
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| ociuhandu | the aptch is: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182985/ | 16:51 |
| asselin | dguryanov, documented here: http://docs.openstack.org/infra/system-config/third_party.html#creating-a-service-account | 16:51 |
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| asselin | Note you should also subscribe to the third-party-announce list to keep on top of announcements there which can include account disablement notices. | 16:51 |
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| jungleboyj | Intoruce Guru Meditation Reports. What a title. | 16:53 |
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| hemna | jungleboyj, :) | 16:53 |
| ociuhandu | thingee: that patch did not include a fix for Windows that alexpilotti submitted one year ago in oslo | 16:53 |
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| zongliang | ? | 16:54 |
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| smcginnis | Man, who's slacking on our oslo support? | 16:54 |
| ociuhandu | thingee: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/77596/ fixes the issue of using hardcoded SIGUSR1 | 16:54 |
| dguryanov | asselin: thanks! | 16:54 |
| thingee | smcginnis: yeaaa, I need to talk to jungleboyj | 16:54 |
| smcginnis | ;) | 16:54 |
| hemna | smcginnis, does he have wifi working yet? | 16:54 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Thanks for throwing me under that bus. | 16:55 |
| smcginnis | hemna: Ah, that must be why we were behind. | 16:55 |
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| jungleboyj | thingee: Yeah, I am hoping to lock myself in my office and work on that. | 16:55 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: Do you have specific issues at the moment? | 16:55 |
| thingee | jungleboyj: https://twitter.com/bradtopol/status/601584343404785664 | 16:56 |
| thingee | alright anything else? | 16:56 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: Really.... | 16:56 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: Still haven't gotten him to tell me what you two talked about. | 16:57 |
| ociuhandu | thingee: jungleboyj alexpilotti just submitted https://review.openstack.org/#/c/192616/ that should add the same fix | 16:57 |
| thingee | ociuhandu: thanks | 16:57 |
| thingee | thanks everyone | 16:57 |
| thingee | #endmeeting | 16:57 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-06-17-16.00.html | 16:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-06-17-16.00.txt | 16:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-06-17-16.00.log.html | 16:57 |
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| jungleboyj | Thanks! | 16:57 |
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| geguileo | Thanks! | 16:58 |
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| stevebaker | #startmeeting heat | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 17 20:00:30 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is stevebaker. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 20:00 |
| stevebaker | #topic rollcal | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcal (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:00 | |
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| tspatzier | hi all | 20:00 |
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| zaneb | \o | 20:00 |
| rpothier | o/ | 20:00 |
| skraynev_ | o// | 20:01 |
| lkarm | o/ | 20:01 |
| stevebaker | skraynev_: 2 left arms? | 20:01 |
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| skraynev_ | stevebaker: take one more, while Pavlo is in vacation :) | 20:01 |
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| stevebaker | #topic Adding items to agenda | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Adding items to agenda (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:01 | |
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| stevebaker | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282015-06-17_0700_UTC.29 | 20:02 |
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| stevebaker | #topic 5.0 | 20:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "5.0 (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:03 | |
| randallburt | o/ | 20:03 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 20:03 |
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| jruano | hi | 20:03 |
| tlashchova__ | hi | 20:04 |
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| stevebaker | So quicker than I was expecting, all the server projects are switching to semver, so the next heat release will be 5.0 | 20:04 |
| stevebaker | nothing to discuss really, just a PSA | 20:05 |
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| skraynev_ | stevebaker: instead of 2015.2 | 20:05 |
| stevebaker | yup | 20:05 |
| dhellmann | stevebaker: there is actually a potential issue | 20:05 |
| skraynev_ | stevebaker: hang on | 20:05 |
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| skraynev_ | stevebaker: yeah , what about our support statuses ? | 20:05 |
| skraynev_ | for resources | 20:05 |
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| skraynev_ | I suppose, that we should change it every where? | 20:05 |
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| skraynev_ | if we replace 2015.2 on 5.0 | 20:06 |
| dhellmann | the nova team has some deprecation messages with version numbers that will never appear, too | 20:06 |
| stevebaker | skraynev_: old releases remain the same. I guess any 2015.2 we've added recently could be changed to 5.x | 20:06 |
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| stevebaker | dhellmann: what will l-1 be versioned as? | 20:06 |
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| skraynev_ | stevebaker, dhellmann: so right. you need update all places where you find 2015.2 version :) | 20:07 |
| skraynev_ | dhellmann: resources and so on | 20:07 |
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| zaneb | I guess this means a new epoch in all the distro packaging :/ | 20:07 |
| dhellmann | stevebaker: I think ttx is planning X.0.0b1 | 20:07 |
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| stevebaker | zaneb: yes, epoch will be required | 20:08 |
| skraynev_ | zaneb: we are so old for this ... :) | 20:08 |
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| dhellmann | skraynev_: I'm not going to be able to make all of the project-specific patches needed for this, so I'm going to need someone from the heat core team to do those. I can rebase my setup.cfg change on top of that. | 20:08 |
| stevebaker | skraynev_: so s/2015.2/5.0.0/ | 20:08 |
| skraynev_ | dhellmann: ok, I can help you ;) | 20:08 |
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| dhellmann | skraynev_: great, thank you | 20:08 |
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| skraynev_ | stevebaker: yeah. sure. just want to be sure, that we replace it everywhere | 20:09 |
| stevebaker | dhellmann: regarding major numbers, do we have the potential to... | 20:09 |
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| skraynev_ | dhellmann: np, I will upload patchset for it tomorrow | 20:09 |
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| dhellmann | skraynev_: ok, please add me as a reviewer so I definitely see it | 20:10 |
| stevebaker | dhellmann: 1) not increment the major at the M release date if there were no major changes? or | 20:10 |
| dhellmann | stevebaker: ? | 20:10 |
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| stevebaker | dhellmann: 2) increment the major in the middle of a dev cycle | 20:10 |
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| skraynev_ | stevebaker: so in documentation we will see statuses: 2014.2, 2015.1, 5.0, ... | 20:10 |
| dhellmann | for now it's not definite but most projects seem to want to increment the major version at the release date -- it's going to make keeping up with stable branches easier | 20:11 |
| skraynev_ | stevebaker: I mean for resources support statuses | 20:11 |
| dhellmann | and also for now, no on #2, until we see how the experiment with ironic goes | 20:11 |
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| dhellmann | so possibly next cycle, but not this cycle | 20:11 |
| stevebaker | dhellmann: yep, understood | 20:11 |
| dhellmann | we're trying to standardize on the reasons for bumping the major version before we start letting everyone have complete control of version numbers :-) | 20:12 |
| stevebaker | it would be anarchy :) | 20:12 |
| dhellmann | right, and we're preparing for that future | 20:12 |
| dhellmann | not all projects will choose to do that, but many will | 20:13 |
| stevebaker | I would assume heat would end up with long-running major numbers if anything | 20:13 |
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| stevebaker | (after convergence is the default) | 20:13 |
| dhellmann | yeah, some of the reasons we've considered for raising that number include database migration squashes, config file changes, and other things that might cause deployers to take special note of upgrades | 20:14 |
| dhellmann | in addition to the more standard API changes, of course | 20:14 |
| stevebaker | yep | 20:15 |
| stevebaker | #topic heat reviews https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-reviews | 20:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "heat reviews https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-reviews (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:15 | |
| dhellmann | stevebaker: before we move on, I have one more thing | 20:15 |
| stevebaker | sure | 20:15 |
| dhellmann | it's a little disconcerting that this incompatibility was a surprise -- we came within about 30 minutes of me breaking you guys by adding the tag this morning | 20:16 |
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| dhellmann | so I want to make sure someone from the team is designated to be working with the release team this cycle, to make sure we don't have similar miscommunications | 20:16 |
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| dhellmann | normally that's the PTL, but it doesn't have to be | 20:17 |
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| zaneb | what incompatibility are we talking about? | 20:17 |
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| dhellmann | this thing with the version number checking in the heat code -- I don't actually know what it is, maybe skraynev_ can summarize? | 20:17 |
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| stevebaker | dhellmann: there is no checking, its for documentation generation for when resources and properties are added | 20:18 |
| dhellmann | stevebaker: ah, ok, good -- so nothing would break? | 20:18 |
| skraynev_ | zaneb: that replacing in one place 2015.2 on 5.0 can raise a lot of errors related with using old version in support statuses | 20:18 |
| stevebaker | dhellmann: its just a string, but we've likely already added 2015.2 here and there | 20:18 |
| zaneb | that's jsut a docs problem AIUI | 20:18 |
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| dhellmann | ok, well, that's good. It still leaves me wondering, who on this team is paying attention to release management this cycle? | 20:19 |
| stevebaker | me | 20:19 |
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| dhellmann | ok | 20:19 |
| dhellmann | ok, that's all I needed, thanks! | 20:19 |
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| stevebaker | cool, ok | 20:19 |
| skraynev_ | zaneb: I suppose, that not only doc issue, especially for deprecated stuff. | 20:19 |
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| zaneb | skraynev_: ok, I didn't know we were that smart about it ;) | 20:20 |
| stevebaker | skraynev_: but we're never actually parsing version strings, and we likely never should | 20:20 |
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| dhellmann | if you need a schema version, I recommend creating a separate version series and not relying on the software package version number | 20:21 |
| skraynev_ | dhellmann: thank you. sorry for the distraction from work | 20:21 |
| dhellmann | skraynev_: no problem, I want to make this go as smoothly as possible, so I appreciate you pointing out a potential issue | 20:21 |
| stevebaker | dhellmann: we have date-based template schema versions | 20:21 |
| dhellmann | stevebaker: ok, that should do it | 20:21 |
| skraynev_ | stevebaker: right, I want to said, that as you mentioned early we should do s/2015.2/5.0 everywhere and ... | 20:21 |
| skraynev_ | stevebaker: I was not sure, that dhellmann familiar with this | 20:22 |
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| stevebaker | ok, lets move on | 20:23 |
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| skraynev_ | stevebaker: so if we do not explain where we also use 2015.2 tag it may be not so obvious to fix it ;) | 20:23 |
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| stevebaker | skraynev_: it should just be in the SupportStatus objects | 20:23 |
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| randallburt | and the mapping in the doc generation | 20:24 |
| skraynev_ | stevebaker: I suppose, but only we know it... | 20:24 |
| skraynev_ | randallburt: yes | 20:25 |
| skraynev_ | sorry. we want to discuss https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-reviews :) | 20:25 |
| stevebaker | skraynev_: do you mean we should document somewhere for the users what the version progression is (2015.1->5.0)? | 20:25 |
| stevebaker | skraynev_: that would be a good idea | 20:25 |
| zaneb | grep works | 20:25 |
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| skraynev_ | stevebaker: yeap | 20:26 |
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| stevebaker | ok, heat-reviews | 20:26 |
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| stevebaker | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-reviews | 20:26 |
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| skraynev_ | stevebaker: I have removed 2 merged patches (one - mine, and another one related with Session client) | 20:27 |
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| stevebaker | skraynev_: regarding the Session client change... | 20:28 |
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| stevebaker | how can we confirm that it doesn't cause a regression with old heat servers, which require passing username and password as well as a token | 20:29 |
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| stevebaker | I mean this change https://review.openstack.org/#/c/163484/ | 20:29 |
| skraynev_ | stevebaker: also for convergence https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191666/1 | 20:29 |
| skraynev_ | stevebaker: looking.. | 20:30 |
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| randallburt | the designate client plugin merged as well | 20:31 |
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| stevebaker | lets talk about convergence reviews | 20:31 |
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| stevebaker | I think that getting them approved quickly so that folk can play with convergence locally is more useful than our usual thorough conservative reviews | 20:33 |
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| stevebaker | since they are on a disabled code path | 20:33 |
| skraynev_ | stevebaker: hm... good question. We can test it manually. | 20:33 |
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| randallburt | though folks really keen to do it now can just patch with those reviews. not "easy" but doesn't compromise our review integrity ;) | 20:34 |
| stevebaker | as long as unit test coverage doesn't regress, and the code looks superficially sane, I'm personally happy for it to land. what do other cores think? | 20:34 |
| skraynev_ | stevebaker: plan to review as much as can convergence patches tomorrow | 20:34 |
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| randallburt | I wouldn't −2 it | 20:34 |
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| stevebaker | anecdotelly, basic create and delete stack is working, update has issues | 20:35 |
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| randallburt | stevebaker: and silence is consent… I'm not hearing a lot of argument at the moment. | 20:36 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: if you merge poor quality code it generally never gets fixed | 20:36 |
| randallburt | doh! | 20:36 |
| skraynev_ | stevebaker: I think we may land it, but I personally wanted to really make sure, that last "fixes" fix issues :) | 20:36 |
| zaneb | so I'd be more inclined to apply the usual degree of review oversight | 20:36 |
| zaneb | (disclaimer: I haven't looked at any of the patches in question) | 20:37 |
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| skraynev_ | zaneb: :) | 20:37 |
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| zaneb | the fact that it's disabled seems less critical to me than the fact that it's code we're going to have to maintain | 20:38 |
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| stevebaker | zaneb: I'm just worried that cores who haven't spent enough time in that code won't understand it enough to review it at all, which will result in no reviews instead of thorough reviews | 20:40 |
| stevebaker | zaneb: but your point is entirely valid | 20:40 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: basically you're saying I'm not doing enough reviews? ;) | 20:40 |
| randallburt | Merging it anyway won't change that though | 20:41 |
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| stevebaker | zaneb: I wasn't even remotely implying that :D | 20:42 |
| zaneb | why not? | 20:42 |
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| stevebaker | #topic High priority bugs http://bit.ly/1FnhaIK | 20:42 |
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| stevebaker | I wonder if we could justify backporting a fix to https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1464248 ? It would be a REST API addition | 20:45 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1464248 in python-heatclient "Cannot list software_configs" [High,Triaged] - Assigned to lvdongbing (dbcocle) | 20:45 |
| zaneb | what is the cause? | 20:46 |
| skraynev_ | stevebaker: I think it should be backported | 20:46 |
| zaneb | the API is flat out missing? | 20:46 |
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| zaneb | lol | 20:48 |
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| stevebaker | also, if anyone feels inclined to urgently work on comment #6 for https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1239972 | 20:50 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1239972 in heat "Restriction on the name of physical-resource-name size" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Limor Stotland (limor-bortman) | 20:50 |
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| stevebaker | #topic Open Discussion | 20:52 |
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| ochuprykov | I still have not reached a consensus with shardy on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/183506/ | 20:53 |
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| ochuprykov | so it would be great to have extra eyes on spec | 20:54 |
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| stevebaker | ochuprykov: converging the interfaces of ASG and RG is definitely desirable | 20:55 |
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| ochuprykov | stevebaker: in short, 2 problems with extracting common functionality between rg and asg regarding rolling_update | 20:57 |
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| skraynev_ | stevebaker: and I suppose deprecating one of resource in the happy future | 20:57 |
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| ochuprykov | stevebaker: 1)rolling_update updates only existing instanves 2)asg and rg have different naming conventions and deletion policies | 20:57 |
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| ochuprykov | stevebaker: this leads to ugly common functions with if-else logic dependent on action we do | 20:59 |
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| ochuprykov | so my thought is to add desired functionality to rg and then make a refactoring, with deprecation of one from asg and rg | 21:00 |
| notmyname | stevebaker: just about done? | 21:00 |
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| stevebaker | notmyname: arg, sorry | 21:01 |
| stevebaker | #endmeeting | 21:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 17 21:01:03 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-06-17-20.00.html | 21:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-06-17-20.00.txt | 21:01 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-06-17-20.00.log.html | 21:01 |
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| notmyname | stevebaker: no worries. thanks | 21:01 |
| stevebaker | everyone! to the #heat mobile! | 21:01 |
| notmyname | swift meeting time | 21:01 |
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| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 17 21:01:37 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:01 |
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| notmyname | hello, everyone. who's here for the swift team meeting? | 21:01 |
| torgomatic | 👈 | 21:01 |
| jrichli | yo | 21:01 |
| hurricanerix_ | o/ | 21:01 |
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| AndroUser | Hi | 21:02 |
| MooingLemur | 🐄 | 21:02 |
| kota_ | hi | 21:02 |
| joeljwright | yup | 21:02 |
| ho | hi | 21:02 |
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| minwoob_ | Hi. | 21:02 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 21:02 |
| peluse | howdy | 21:02 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: I think you spend the whole week looking for "I'm here" emojis | 21:02 |
| blmartin_ | o/ | 21:02 |
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| MooingLemur | I memorized the codepoint for my go-to emoji :3 | 21:02 |
| torgomatic | notmyname: there's so many to choose from! | 21:02 |
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| tdasilva | hello | 21:02 |
| AndroUser | Hi | 21:02 |
| notmyname | MooingLemur: yeah, that one looks appropriate :-) | 21:02 |
| acoles | here | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | welcome, everyone. thanks for coming | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | agenda this week is at | 21:03 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | first, up general stuff | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | #topic general | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | as mentioned in -swift and on the mailing list, we've slightly change the core team structure | 21:04 |
| notmyname | we now have swift-core and swiftclient-core | 21:04 |
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| notmyname | swiftclient-core can merge code for python-swiftclient | 21:04 |
| notmyname | and it's made up of "swift-core" and joeljwright | 21:04 |
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| notmyname | joeljwright: thanks for your work | 21:04 |
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| mattoliverau | yay joeljwright | 21:05 |
| joeljwright | :) | 21:05 |
| notmyname | this is one thing that came out of recent conversations, especially in vancouver | 21:05 |
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| notmyname | we need to renew our focus on the swiftclient | 21:05 |
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| dmorita | o/ | 21:06 |
| notmyname | the reality is that when people write apps for openstack compute, well, they don't have to change anything. they provision a server and put their existing app on it | 21:06 |
| notmyname | however, when they use swift, the app has to change to use the swift api | 21:06 |
| notmyname | therefore, our client, as the official CLI/SDK for swift becomes a huge entry point for anyone adopting swift | 21:06 |
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| notmyname | therefore, if it's bad, it's blocking swift's growth and deployments. and if it's good, it means swift goes more places | 21:07 |
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| notmyname | so we need it to be good :-) | 21:07 |
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| mattoliverau | well said | 21:07 |
| joeljwright | +1 | 21:07 |
| notmyname | so in an effort to renew focus on swiftclient and to continue to make it better, we have swiftclient | 21:08 |
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| notmyname | I'm hoping that this will allow patches to move more quickly | 21:08 |
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| notmyname | and I'm hoping that it will be able to grow and develop with people who are dedicated and passionate about the CLI/SDK | 21:08 |
| notmyname | so, no pressure joeljwright :-) | 21:08 |
| joeljwright | hehehe, yeah, thanks! | 21:08 |
| mattoliverau | s/swiftclient/swiftclient-core/ | 21:09 |
| mattoliverau | joeljwright: good luck :P | 21:09 |
| notmyname | however, an important point is that just because there is a swiftclient, it does NOT mean swift-core can ignore it! ;-) | 21:09 |
| notmyname | we're all responsible for both swift and swiftclient | 21:09 |
| zaitcev | yeah, but it just happens that way | 21:09 |
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| notmyname | zaitcev: it's natural for people to specialize | 21:09 |
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| notmyname | part of that's on me, so you'll see me spending more time highlighting swiftclient patches along side swift-server patches | 21:10 |
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| notmyname | any questions about that? that's all I have on that topic | 21:10 |
| barker | do we have a good sense of what's good and what's a bad? | 21:10 |
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| notmyname | barker: good and bad about the client? or in general? | 21:11 |
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| barker | the client | 21:11 |
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| joeljwright | barker: a lot of it seems to be historic | 21:11 |
| joeljwright | the API and CLI are a bit confusing | 21:11 |
| joeljwright | and badly documented | 21:11 |
| notmyname | there were some good notes take at the summit https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/python-swiftclient-liberty-discussion | 21:12 |
| joeljwright | and we have leftovers from pre-requests days etc | 21:12 |
| barker | agreed - and this is great by the way | 21:12 |
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| zaitcev | IIRC I have already conflicted with Joel about those details, where we have api functions A and B and someone implemented A calling B, whereas it was obvious to me that it's much nicer if A and B call _C. Something like that, about printouts and their manager. | 21:12 |
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| zaitcev | And _C was set up to handle unicode already | 21:12 |
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| joeljwright | zaitcev: it's always nice to just have people involved | 21:13 |
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| notmyname | zaitcev: ok, if there's a specific thing we need to address, let's do that. in general, though, it's good to challenge one another on everything. I'm happy to hear it :-) | 21:13 |
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| notmyname | eranrom: are you here? | 21:14 |
| eranrom | hey | 21:14 |
| notmyname | good. you're up next :-) | 21:14 |
| eranrom | thanks | 21:14 |
| notmyname | ok, moving on to container sync. we ran out of time in last week's meeting | 21:14 |
| notmyname | #topic container sync | 21:14 |
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| notmyname | eranrom: this is your's. take it away. what did you want to discuss? | 21:15 |
| eranrom | container metadata sync | 21:15 |
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| eranrom | So today, the container metadata is not being replicated | 21:15 |
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| eranrom | I have opened a bug which suggest the following: | 21:15 |
| eranrom | Hope this is not too much content for the IRC discussion... | 21:16 |
| eranrom | The container sync functionality does not include syncing the container's metadata. | 21:16 |
| eranrom | Proposed changes below: | 21:16 |
| eranrom | container info table | 21:16 |
| eranrom | -------------------- | 21:16 |
| eranrom | Add a string field ‘last_metadata_sync_timestamp’ | 21:16 |
| eranrom | Sync Process | 21:16 |
| eranrom | ------------ | 21:16 |
| eranrom | 1. In ContainerSync.container_sync() attempt to sync the metadata | 21:16 |
| eranrom | just before the loop doing the container_sync_row() | 21:16 |
| eranrom | 2. Given: | 21:16 |
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| kota_ | eranrom: which bug on launchpad? Do I get the link? | 21:16 |
| eranrom | (A) the metadata json kept in the container info table | 21:16 |
| notmyname | haven't I seen a LP link? | 21:16 |
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| eranrom | (B) the last_metadata_sync_timestamp | 21:16 |
| eranrom | link: https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1464022 | 21:17 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1464022 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "Container sync does not replicate container metadata" [Undecided,New] | 21:17 |
| kota_ | thx! | 21:17 |
| notmyname | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1464022 | 21:17 |
| notmyname | (for the notes) | 21:17 |
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| notmyname | eranrom: so i think this is a good idea to add to container sync, assuming we figure out which metadata to sync | 21:18 |
| eranrom | I suggest two config options | 21:19 |
| notmyname | eranrom: is this something that you have some code for already or will be writing soon? | 21:19 |
| eranrom | I am half way through | 21:19 |
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| eranrom | can post a patch in the coming days | 21:19 |
| notmyname | great | 21:19 |
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| eranrom | The bug is in a 'new' state. Should I just post a patch? | 21:20 |
| notmyname | yes! | 21:20 |
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| eranrom | ok np | 21:20 |
| clayg | eranrom: I'm pretty sure it's use-case specific - not deployer specific? I mean maybe in sysmeta space you may have some custom middleware and you want to sync the sysmeta - but for usermeta I think it should be data drivin - basically a new container level metadata key that says what metadata keys on the container to sync | 21:20 |
| torgomatic | best to put the patch in Gerrit; patches attached to LP bugs tend to languish | 21:20 |
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| eranrom | clayg: yes this is my thinking | 21:21 |
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| clayg | idk, i feel like there's a sussing out of the use-case here that will need to happen before a patch can really be reviewed | 21:21 |
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| eranrom | that is have a sysmeta that defines what metadata to sync | 21:21 |
| clayg | I mean we can do it *on* the patch *with* the code in the commit message or w/e... | 21:22 |
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| notmyname | clayg: would you rather that eranrom add some more info as a comment in LP? | 21:22 |
| clayg | eranrom: idk, maybe - you'd have to appy the sysmeta to existing containers? | 21:22 |
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| acoles | +1 for making it configurable, need to be careful not to surprise existing users who may not want their metadata sync'd | 21:22 |
| clayg | notmyname: maybe - i haven't read all the content that's there | 21:23 |
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| clayg | acoles: +1 | 21:23 |
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| clayg | acoles: I'm sure there's use-case where you absolutely want the same key to have different values on two containers that are sync partners! | 21:23 |
| acoles | yah | 21:23 |
| notmyname | clayg: storage policies, encryption keys, etc | 21:23 |
| acoles | notmyname: you typed it faster than me | 21:24 |
| acoles | :) | 21:24 |
| clayg | acoles: really I'd like to start with the use-case of "here is an example of a metadata that almost *everyone* would want to be synced if they're syncing containers" and then try to work toward the feature from that use-case | 21:24 |
| notmyname | eranrom: you've got some great info on a design plan in LP now, but can you add another comment from the user perspective there? | 21:24 |
| clayg | notmyname: doesn't our readme tell us how to do this? | 21:24 |
| notmyname | eranrom: then, as you have code, put it in gerrit for people to look at | 21:24 |
| notmyname | clayg: specs? | 21:24 |
| acoles | was thinking the same | 21:25 |
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| clayg | notmyname: contributing.md | 21:25 |
| notmyname | refactoring the LP bug report as a spec? | 21:25 |
| acoles | although don't want to 'make work' | 21:25 |
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| notmyname | acoles: right! | 21:25 |
| clayg | Start with the use case ... then design from the cluster operator up | 21:25 |
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| eranrom | ok will add a use case comment | 21:25 |
| notmyname | eranrom: I think that would be helpful | 21:26 |
| eranrom | sure | 21:26 |
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| notmyname | anythign else to discuss in this meeting on this topic? | 21:26 |
| notmyname | eranrom: thanks for bringin it up | 21:26 |
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| eranrom | sure, thanks | 21:26 |
| notmyname | ok, moving on | 21:26 |
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| notmyname | #topic next release | 21:26 |
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| notmyname | we've had severl bugfixes land, and there are still a few outstanding EC patches that need to land (more on that later) | 21:27 |
| clayg | so the example in the lp bug is acl's - but I don't think that's a great use-case because there is probably already today containers synced between clusters where the acl strings might not even translate from one cluster to the other | 21:27 |
| notmyname | I'd like to see the EC patches land ASAP and then cut a release | 21:27 |
| notmyname | mostly so we can have a better-testable version of EC for people | 21:27 |
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| peluse | yeah, would be great to land these things sooner than later so we can be positive (those testing) that we have all the right stuff | 21:28 |
| clayg | notmyname: peluse is working on it! | 21:28 |
| peluse | ha! | 21:28 |
| notmyname | so there's only one "big" thing that's landed since the last release | 21:28 |
| notmyname | the new dependency on six | 21:28 |
| notmyname | however there aren't any places it's used yet | 21:28 |
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| notmyname | if the EC stuff lands soon, then I'm inclined to revert the six dependency, release 2.3.1, then reapply the new dependency | 21:29 |
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| notmyname | however, if there's more "big" stuff that lands, then we've got a 2.4 release no matter what and the new dependency will stay in | 21:29 |
| clayg | notmyname: i don't think reverting six is worth the trouble | 21:30 |
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| clayg | notmyname: people are going to eat it at some point - may as well do it now | 21:30 |
| notmyname | true | 21:30 |
| clayg | notmyname: and it's way less of a pita to package six than it was to package pyeclib - so... really people testing ec should be desensitized to it anyway | 21:30 |
| clayg | just IMHO | 21:30 |
| notmyname | mostly I'm mad at myself for not stating all that earlier and letting the six dependency go in before the EC patches. so it's all my fault ;-) | 21:31 |
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| notmyname | but yeah, probably not a huge deal either way | 21:31 |
| MooingLemur | I'd tend to agree in priciple, people can handle the extra dependency | 21:31 |
| clayg | hang notmyname up by his toes! | 21:31 |
| notmyname | (subject to the consensus of everyone here) | 21:31 |
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| acoles | notmyname: forgive yourself ;) | 21:32 |
| notmyname | ok, moving on then... | 21:32 |
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| notmyname | #topic hummingbird update | 21:32 |
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| notmyname | hurricanerix_: I hope you can let us know what you're seeing in go-land | 21:32 |
| hurricanerix_ | dfg: ^^^ :) | 21:32 |
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| dfg_ | hey | 21:33 |
| notmyname | hi dfg_ :-) | 21:33 |
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| notmyname | dfg_: hurricanerix_ jsut punted to you about hummingbird status | 21:33 |
| dfg_ | i just joined- we're talknig about what's been going on withhummingbird? | 21:33 |
| dfg_ | ok | 21:33 |
| notmyname | yup | 21:33 |
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| dfg_ | the biggest change is that the # of read Timeouts has almost gone away | 21:34 |
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| dfg_ | we've also seen an increase in performance of GET calls | 21:34 |
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| notmyname | that's great | 21:34 |
| notmyname | do you have some relative numbers you can share? | 21:34 |
| * notmyname is hoping for somethign similar to what swifterdarrell showed with the 1+ server-per-port patch | 21:35 | |
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| dfg_ | um- not sure about specific numbers but the # read timeotus has decreased by like x30 | 21:35 |
| dfg_ | and i think we can tune it to be even better | 21:35 |
| dfg_ | these are on production nodes | 21:35 |
| notmyname | what's the current focus of the dev work on hummingbird? where are you making changes? | 21:36 |
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| dfg_ | we've also seen a much better and much much more consistent time to first byte on object gets | 21:36 |
| dfg_ | the current focus is the object replicator daemon | 21:37 |
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| notmyname | ok | 21:37 |
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| ho | dfg_: in the summit scott gave us the num of get as 10946/s. do you have more good performance? | 21:37 |
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| zaitcev | but they are compatible, are they not? I mean it's possible just to remote the -server but not -replicator? | 21:38 |
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| dfg_ | we have seen an increase in performance on the production nodes but its not as big. the nodes we put them on have a lot going on right now :) | 21:38 |
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| zaitcev | s/to remote/to replace/ | 21:38 |
| ho | dfg_: ok thanks! | 21:39 |
| clayg | zaitcev: yeah the go object-server works with the old replicator - or at least it did | 21:39 |
| dfg_ | zaitcev: yes they are compatible. what we have deployed is the python replicator daemon talking to the hummingbird object server | 21:39 |
| clayg | zaitcev: I don't think the goal is for the go replciator ot work with the pytho object server | 21:39 |
| glange | but the hummingbird replicator can't talk to the python object server | 21:39 |
| dfg_ | what we are working on is using the hummingbird replicator daemon. which uses the new SYNC calls and not rsync | 21:39 |
| dfg_ | is still uses the same disk layout / hashes.pkl and everything. | 21:40 |
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| clayg | dfg_: it'd be *so* helpful if rick could work up an "overview" of how the sync calls work - just for some context when digging into the code | 21:40 |
| dfg_ | clayg: we can put something together- you don't have to voluteer rick :) | 21:41 |
| notmyname | heh | 21:41 |
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| dfg_ | thats what we do :) | 21:41 |
| clayg | hurricanerix_: dfg says you'll do it | 21:41 |
| hurricanerix_ | lol | 21:41 |
| dfg_ | haha | 21:41 |
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| notmyname | dfg_: thanks for the update | 21:41 |
| clayg | yeah that was great! | 21:41 |
| notmyname | I'm glad you're seeing good performance improvements | 21:41 |
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| mattoliverau | sounds cool | 21:41 |
| notmyname | whew. look at the time.... | 21:42 |
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| dfg_ | anyway. the replicator daemon switch out is what i'm most interested in. i don;'t even care about customer requests really :p | 21:42 |
| * dfg_ mostly joking | 21:42 | |
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| notmyname | #topic oslo.config | 21:42 |
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| mattoliverau | lol | 21:42 |
| notmyname | ok, this one is a big thing | 21:42 |
| clayg | notmyname: and more consistent responses - sounds like a lot of the i/o isolation issues are negated when you move away from the eventlet hub | 21:42 |
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| notmyname | clayg: shocking!! ;-) | 21:42 |
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| dfg_ | ya- the consistency thing has been huge. | 21:42 |
| notmyname | ok, ho has been working on getting keystone's policy.json supoort into swift | 21:43 |
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| clayg | notmyname: ho: that'd be great! | 21:43 |
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| notmyname | and to do that, keystone has to bring in oslo.config | 21:43 |
| ho | clayg: thanks! | 21:43 |
| notmyname | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/192094/ | 21:43 |
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| notmyname | and more importantly.. | 21:43 |
| notmyname | #link http://paste.openstack.org/show/297679/ | 21:43 |
| notmyname | that second one is _why_ oslo.config is needed currently | 21:43 |
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| clayg | notmyname: darrell almost wrote common.utils.get_int_from_conf_value - so.... I think getting oslo.config to work with our conf.d paste.ini's would be a valuable thing to do | 21:44 |
| notmyname | however, that's a Big Deal since it's a huge addition to swift with a long-term impact | 21:44 |
| torgomatic | I really really don't like oslo.config | 21:44 |
| clayg | torgomatic: whahhhhhaaaaaaa?! | 21:44 |
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| torgomatic | let's stuff everything into a giant mutable global variable and reference it *everywhere*! | 21:45 |
| notmyname | regardless of oslo.config, I really really don't like having to have multiple config systems that we have to support forever | 21:45 |
| torgomatic | what can go wrong? | 21:45 |
| notmyname | summary is, policy.json == good, but oslo.config == bad. so we have to resolve something somewhere | 21:45 |
| torgomatic | right now, if I want an ObjectController with a certain config, I make the config ("conf = blah()") and pass it to the ObjectController ("ObjectController(conf)") | 21:45 |
| notmyname | a while back we talked about oslo.config. those notes are on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift_gap_scratchpad | 21:46 |
| torgomatic | to do that with oslo.config means that I take my config, stuff it in a global, then instantiate an ObjectController() that looks at my global | 21:46 |
| acoles | ho: so is the motivator for oslo.config to get oslo.policy or is it the "project option" patch we have been discussing? | 21:46 |
| clayg | I think global config is fine - arguably better than the crazy shit we do in swift.conf/constraints/utils/etc | 21:46 |
| notmyname | so here's the good thing about what ho has done: no new config files and only middleware that needs oslo.config uses it | 21:46 |
| ho | acoles: my main motivation is oslo.policy | 21:47 |
| acoles | ho: ok thx | 21:47 |
| clayg | torgomatic: can't we do it like we do with the loggers? self.logger = logger or get_logger() | 21:47 |
| clayg | self.config = config or GLOBAL_CONFIG | 21:47 |
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| clayg | then everywhere we pass in {} in a test, we just make local instance of the config and let the test use that | 21:47 |
| clayg | i don't think oslo.config is bad - our hodge podge of shit is bad - the only reason we don't use something better is because our hodge podge of shit *works* and who gives a flying flip about how you do configs | 21:48 |
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| notmyname | clayg: well, more specifically, we've got a _lot_ of systems out there already doing it one way, and we'd likely have to support current + new for any value of new | 21:49 |
| clayg | the main blocker right now is all the things our existing stuff does that oslo.config isn't going to support | 21:49 |
| acoles | the biggest -ve i remember about oslo.config is that you cannot do instance specific config, only class specific | 21:49 |
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| torgomatic | clayg: I guess, it just seems like extra work so we can make the same mistakes as Nova did | 21:49 |
| acoles | unless they fixed that | 21:49 |
| clayg | the dynamic section name and prefixed config var subsection stuff is going to require some crazy hacks | 21:49 |
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| clayg | not to mention conf.d for paste | 21:49 |
| clayg | and ain't nobody got time for that | 21:50 |
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| torgomatic | clayg: right, it's not like the other projects *just* use oslo stuff; they've all got paste lurking in the back somewhere | 21:50 |
| clayg | acoles: i don't even know whot instance specific vs class specific means | 21:50 |
| notmyname | clayg: every ProxyLoggingMiddleware vs an instance of that class | 21:50 |
| acoles | it means if you have two instance of say the same middleware class then they both get the same config. | 21:50 |
| clayg | torgomatic: yeah buy everyone has built up their own abstractions away-from-and-over paste | 21:51 |
| notmyname | clayg: ie you have one config per middleware, not 2. yeah. that ^ | 21:51 |
| acoles | vs separate filter sections in paste ini | 21:51 |
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| clayg | I think most piplies are like "choose from a menu by selecting one of the three preconfigured pipelines" | 21:51 |
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| notmyname | ok, so what do we do to make progress? | 21:52 |
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| clayg | acoles: what the fuck does that even mean? | 21:52 |
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| clayg | acoles: I think we can use oslo.config without having to pickup all the fucked up shit they did to paste | 21:52 |
| clayg | we have our own fucked up shit we did to paste | 21:52 |
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| notmyname | what do we need to see in oslo.config? what do we need to see for ho's patch to get policy.json | 21:52 |
| torgomatic | clayg: right, point is that adding oslo.config doesn't take us from "our stuff is clunky and sucks" to "our stuff is actually fairly okay"; it's more like "our stuff is clunky and sucks and also has oslo.config in it" | 21:52 |
| clayg | ... but i don't really care - I don't want to discourage someone who wants to try and make oslo.config work for swift | 21:52 |
| clayg | it's gunna be a bunch of work tho | 21:52 |
| clayg | torgomatic: WELL PUT! | 21:53 |
| notmyname | well, is it possible to only have oslo config in keystone middleware? | 21:53 |
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| notmyname | I'm not sure that's reasonable or realistic or not | 21:53 |
| clayg | torgomatic: but the "also has olso.config" in it might be useful for a few subclasses of annoying shit our config system doesn't currently do well | 21:53 |
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| acoles | So isn't ho just proposing adding a tiny bit of oslo.config where its needed, not wholesale replace? | 21:54 |
| torgomatic | I mean, we want oslo.policy (I guess) to work in Swift; how hard is it to alter oslo.policy to *not* require oslo.config? Like you said, my_config = passed_in_config or CONF | 21:54 |
| notmyname | ho: what do you want to see to move forward? | 21:54 |
| torgomatic | er, like clayg said | 21:54 |
| ho | my idea is "hybrid(partial!?)" oslo config support in swift. I would like to keep paste ini deployment but want to use oslo libraries. it's reality i think :-) | 21:54 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: from a brief look at the oslo.policy code, that might be possible, but not simple | 21:54 |
| clayg | notmyname: torgomatic: I like the stated goal of "our stuff is clunky and sucks and also has oslo.config in it" | 21:54 |
| clayg | ho: sounds perfect! what can we do to help? | 21:55 |
| notmyname | see the links above | 21:55 |
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| clayg | notmyname: well i read the paste - and it was like "we need oslo.config" | 21:56 |
| clayg | notmyname: the other one is a review that only changes doc and example config? | 21:56 |
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| notmyname | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/149930/ this one is the patch. the other was the spec | 21:56 |
| clayg | notmyname: or the spec? | 21:56 |
| ho | clayg: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/192094/ spec please. | 21:57 |
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| notmyname | bah! we've got through half of our agenda and time's pretty much up | 21:58 |
| mattoliverau | it means we have alot of interesting stuff on :) | 21:58 |
| notmyname | ok, to finish up oslo config for this meeting.. | 21:58 |
| notmyname | it's a Big Deal and needs a lot of people to support it | 21:58 |
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| notmyname | both the patch and the spec | 21:58 |
| acoles | ho: i like the intent, i have some questions, will comment on spec. thx | 21:58 |
| notmyname | the spec first, since it lays out the idea | 21:58 |
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| ho | acoles: thanks! | 21:59 |
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| notmyname | #topic other | 21:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "other (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:59 | |
| * notmyname needs to trim the agenda for next week. ;-) | 21:59 | |
| notmyname | check out the EC patches. bugs are listed at https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bugs?field.tag=ec | 22:00 |
| notmyname | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191970/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/184189/ need reviewed | 22:00 |
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| notmyname | thanks everyone for coming | 22:00 |
| notmyname | eranrom: dfg_: ho: thanks for your topics | 22:00 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 22:00 |
| eranrom | thank you | 22:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 17 22:00:49 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-06-17-21.01.html | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-06-17-21.01.txt | 22:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-06-17-21.01.log.html | 22:00 |
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