Thursday, 2015-06-11

barrett1sarob: can you send via ML?00:00
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barrett1We're out of time!00:00
sarob12pm pdt mondays is free00:00
barrett1sarob: Thanks!00:01
sarobwant me to summit the patch to change the time?00:01
barrett1sarob: yes, pls00:01
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hughhalfsarob yes please00:01
sarobwill be done00:01
sarobcheers00:01
hughhalfThanks all00:01
barrett1Ok, we'll meet next on 6/15 at Noon Pacific.00:01
barrett1Thanks all!00:01
stephenwalliciao00:01
ZucanThanks.  Have a great week!00:02
MeganRBye!00:02
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barrett1#endmeeting00:02
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geoffarnoldbye00:02
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nateziemanngreat to join the effort.  ttyl.00:03
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ttxgeoffarnold: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints07:42
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bauzashttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9wWBjnaEck ?14:00
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neiljerramHi there14:01
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* gilliard waves14:01
moshelehi14:01
johnthetubaguy#startmeeting nova14:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Jun 11 14:01:32 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:01
ndipanovyo14:01
mnestratovhi all14:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'nova'14:01
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bauzas\o14:01
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jaypipeso...../14:01
johnthetubaguywelcome14:01
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johnthetubaguy#topic release status14:02
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johnthetubaguy#info June 12: spec review day14:02
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johnthetubaguy#info June 23-25: liberty-1 (spec freeze)14:02
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ndipanovspec freeze or proposal freeze?14:02
johnthetubaguyso any questions about our release deadlines?14:02
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johnthetubaguyfreeze14:02
ndipanov:(14:02
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ndipanovcool14:02
johnthetubaguy#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Liberty_Release_Schedule14:03
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johnthetubaguyso I tried to describe all the dates in the above wiki14:03
johnthetubaguyit even talks about exception process14:03
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johnthetubaguynow its probably wrong or confusing, as its a first draft14:03
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johnthetubaguybut we can evolve that, so we don't keep making it up each release14:03
dims_o/14:03
johnthetubaguyso tomorrow is spec review day14:04
johnthetubaguybasically we burn down on this14:04
johnthetubaguy#link http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/nova-specs-openreviews.html14:04
johnthetubaguyat least roughly14:04
johnthetubaguyso, we have quite a few blueprints to discuss14:04
johnthetubaguyI am not sure this meeting is the most efficient way, so ideas on a postcard14:05
johnthetubaguybut lets do it this way for now...14:05
johnthetubaguy#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/virtuozzo-instance-resize-support14:05
johnthetubaguy#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/virtuozzo-container-boot-from-volume14:05
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johnthetubaguy#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/rename-pcs-to-virtuozzo14:05
danpbnb  virtuozzo is the new names for parallels14:05
johnthetubaguynow they are all things with a single driver impact14:05
danpbso this is about the libvirt parallels support14:05
johnthetubaguydanpb: ah, good point, thanks14:05
mnestratovmost of them are feature parity14:06
johnthetubaguygiven these are "me too" I say we talk about them in the code review14:06
johnthetubaguyany objections with that?14:06
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jaypipesnope14:06
danpbseems fine14:07
johnthetubaguy+1s for those happy with it would be good too, btw14:07
johnthetubaguy#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/ploop-snapshot-support14:07
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johnthetubaguythis is parallels apparently14:07
johnthetubaguyhonestly ploop sounded made up, turns out its real14:07
bauzasyup14:07
jaypipessounds nasty.14:07
danpbyep, ploop is their disk equivalent to qcow214:07
johnthetubaguyI like the honesty of that name14:07
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danpbso anything nova does with qcow2, they'll need to do some porting work for ploop14:08
johnthetubaguyanyways, it seems small, so best reviewed in code?14:08
johnthetubaguydanpb: oh, thats going to be messy...14:08
danpbthe devils in the details, but since its all feature parity stuff its fine in general imho14:08
johnthetubaguydanpb: would moving to libvirt storage pools help us here?14:08
danpbif the code reviews look like they're getting too messy we can push back to have a spec later i think14:08
danpbi don't think we have storage pools support for ploop in libvirt currently14:09
johnthetubaguydanpb: do we want to push for that, to keep nova clean?14:09
danpbits certainly one option, but i'm loathe to put a dependancy on the storage pools code as its author is no longer working on it14:09
danpbso not sure when the storage pools conversion will get done14:10
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johnthetubaguydanpb: true, I just worry about the long term with that one14:10
johnthetubaguyone more...14:10
johnthetubaguy#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/hyper-v-imagecache-cleanup14:10
johnthetubaguythat one looks a little me too, and isolated14:11
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johnthetubaguythey have a spec, but approving the BP will be quicker14:11
danpbjohnthetubaguy: yep, that's why i said we should reserve the right to ask for a spec later if the code review turns out to look too messy14:11
mnestratovdanpb: let us know if anything requiers to pay attention14:11
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mnestratovdanpb: i mean storage pools14:11
danpbmnestratov: sure14:11
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johnthetubaguydanpb: I think we should assume thats always true, we could approve it assuming that, lets come back to that14:11
alexpilottihjohnthetubaguy there’s also a similar one for Hyper-V Fibre Channel support14:12
johnthetubaguyalexpilotti: got the link?14:12
alexpilotticlaudiub: ^14:12
alexpilottijohnthetubaguy: sure14:12
johnthetubaguyany more spec less blueprint people want to talk about?14:12
danpbthe hyperv imagecache cleanup looks like a no brainer - presumably its scope is entirely within hyperv anyway14:12
lpetruthere's the Hyper-V FC spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190107/14:12
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johnthetubaguy#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/hyperv-fibre-channel14:13
johnthetubaguyI will see how the spec looks after14:13
johnthetubaguyso...14:13
johnthetubaguyI will look at these after the meeting, and approve them using my judgement14:14
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johnthetubaguyif you think i screwed up, let me know, and we can ask for a spec14:14
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johnthetubaguyif the code review goes south, and its clear we need a spec, lob a -2 on it, and lets talk about getting a spec merge14:14
johnthetubaguydoes that seem a cool approach?14:14
johnthetubaguyany obvious objections around these ones?14:15
johnthetubaguyif not, we can move on14:15
alexpilottijohnthetubaguy: looks good for us, almost all those BPs are specific to the Hyper-V driver14:15
johnthetubaguyOK... moving on14:15
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alexpilottifalling in the “trivial” category (no API, database, etc impact)14:15
johnthetubaguy#topic tracking liberty progress14:16
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johnthetubaguy#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-priorities-tracking14:16
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johnthetubaguy#link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/nova-specs/priorities/liberty-priorities.html14:16
johnthetubaguyso we merged the above14:16
johnthetubaguybut...14:16
johnthetubaguy#action need to work out what specs are need for each priority, owners please update things in: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-priorities-tracking14:17
bauzasright14:17
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johnthetubaguyany major updates on priorities before I move on?14:17
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bauzasso, some changes are on the fly but until we really consider them mergeable, we don't put them in14:17
johnthetubaguybauzas: do create a second list, for stuff the subteam is still looking at14:17
johnthetubaguybauzas: if thats helpful14:18
bauzasjohnthetubaguy: fair point14:18
johnthetubaguybauzas: particularly for specs that are being debated14:18
alaskiI created a second list under cells, for visibility14:18
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johnthetubaguyalaski: yes, thank you for that, was really useful14:18
bauzasyup, level down the exigence14:18
n0anowe have a wiki for scheduler specs/bps, I can add a link to the priority spec14:18
bauzasn0ano: no please14:19
johnthetubaguybauzas: why not?14:19
n0anowhat johnthetubaguy said14:19
johnthetubaguyI mean I would prefer it written in the etherpad, but linking from there is the next best thing14:19
bauzasjohnthetubaguy: n0ano: because I would like to only have the changes directly, and not go to the wiki14:19
johnthetubaguybauzas: yeah, I will let you argue that in the scheduler meeting if thats OK?14:19
bauzasand wiki is not the best for providing quick updates IMO14:19
bauzasjohnthetubaguy: sure14:20
johnthetubaguyits up to the sub team to find what works for them14:20
johnthetubaguyI have a preference for the etherpad, but thats just me14:20
bauzas(also the wikipage is named Gantt/Liberty ;) )14:20
n0anoI think a spec is even harder but we'll talk about it at the net meeting14:20
bauzasn0ano: let's discuss that off-topic14:20
n0ano+114:20
johnthetubaguythats cool, its a good debate about process14:20
johnthetubaguyI am keen to adopt what works for the sub team14:21
johnthetubaguyjust be sure to tell us all whats happening14:21
bauzasnp14:21
johnthetubaguybut I am assuming it will be made obvious in the etherpad14:21
bauzas+114:21
n0anofer sur14:21
bauzasmoving on ?14:21
johnthetubaguycools14:21
edleafebauzas: I renamed that page to Scheduler/Liberty14:21
johnthetubaguy#topic stuck spec reviews14:21
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johnthetubaguynow we might end up talking more about this during the spec review day14:22
bauzasedleafe: ack, but I would prefer to keep it in the Nova space :)14:22
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lchendelete-retired-services - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/delete-retired-services14:22
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lchenforgot to add the link to the wiki14:22
johnthetubaguy#info some specs are blocked by us not having made a decision on something, when that happens list it at the bottom of here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-priorities-tracking14:22
bauzaslchen: that's not a stuck review IMHO14:23
johnthetubaguylchen: lets hold that debate till the end if thats OK?14:23
johnthetubaguyso the stuck specs on that list don't all have -1s form me14:23
lchenbauzas, johnthetubaguy yep,  thanks!14:23
johnthetubaguythey probably should, but I felt bad about it14:23
johnthetubaguybasically the list is where we need a general policy debate14:23
johnthetubaguymake and agreement, allowing us to move forward14:24
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johnthetubaguyright now I am just making a list14:24
johnthetubaguyan example14:24
johnthetubaguyhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/169638/9/specs/liberty/approved/selecting-subnet-when-creating-vm.rst,cm14:24
johnthetubaguyhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/182242/6/specs/liberty/approved/user-controlled-sriov-ports-allocation.rst,cm14:24
johnthetubaguyhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/187812/3/specs/liberty/approved/add-volume-type-to-create-server-api.rst,cm14:24
johnthetubaguynow we said no more proxy apis14:24
johnthetubaguyno more pass through apis to cinder and neutron14:24
johnthetubaguy....but we haven't delete those APIs yet either14:25
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johnthetubaguywe need to sort out that, and decide what we want in the future14:25
johnthetubaguyjaypipes: whats your take on these, from the API group point of view?14:25
johnthetubaguyOK... so jaypipes has run away14:26
johnthetubaguyanyways14:26
jaypipesjohnthetubaguy: have not had a chance to review. will do so today.14:26
sdaguehonestly, I'd suggest we punt on removing the proxies until next cycle14:26
* jaypipes need to go into windows to get on webex :(14:26
johnthetubaguysdague: so that could well be the correct call14:26
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johnthetubaguyjaypipes: sad times :(14:26
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johnthetubaguyso...14:27
sdaguewe could really use some breathing room to do a polish on the the whole API through story, including getting our documentation flowing well14:27
johnthetubaguy#action johnthetubaguy to make an ML thread and policy proposal for each of the "stuck" topics early next week14:27
sdaguethere is so much in flight with the API right now, I don't want to add any more big changes in liberty (especially as it's a short cycle)14:27
johnthetubaguysdague: yeah, so thats a good point I think14:28
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neiljerramjohnthetubaguy: THis may not be the place, but I'd like to understand better what you mean by pass-through APIs.14:28
johnthetubaguyneiljerram: thats another good point, I try to define that here: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/nova/devref/project_scope.html#no-more-api-proxies14:28
bauzascould we consider feature branches as one possible answer to that kind of problems ?14:28
johnthetubaguybauzas: thats just creating merge pain14:28
bauzassaying 'for the moment, we don't have them, but we're considering them'14:28
johnthetubaguybauzas: but we could totally make more use of branches for some things, and we should look into14:29
neiljerramjohnthetubaguy: OK, thanks, I understand now - I'm familiar with the security groups example.14:29
johnthetubaguybauzas: I think its better to say, "please go away for this release, we are full"14:29
bauzasjohnthetubaguy: agreed, my point is, since we don't this flexibility, it directly collapses with all our efforts to reduce the debt14:29
johnthetubaguyneiljerram: yeah, thats where we screwed it up the most14:29
johnthetubaguybauzas: not sure I get that, but we should probably keep moving at this point14:30
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johnthetubaguyso... basically I am trying to collect areas where we need to make a decision14:30
johnthetubaguythen I will propose one for discussion on the ML14:30
johnthetubaguyso we can tell these poor spec writers what they should do14:30
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bauzasjohnthetubaguy: nvm, my take is just to say 'that's not possible by now'14:30
johnthetubaguythe options are: merge the spec, for this release, go onto the backlog for later, go away its not in scope14:30
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johnthetubaguybauzas: yeah, I want folks to not be left in limbo hoping they might just sneak something in though14:31
johnthetubaguybauzas: we used to do that alot, and it was very painful14:31
johnthetubaguymostly for the submitter14:31
johnthetubaguypartly for me telling them know in 5 months time14:31
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johnthetubaguybut anyways, lets move on14:31
bauzasagreed14:31
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johnthetubaguythis is a problem I see, and I have a plan to fix it, help making that list much appreciated14:32
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johnthetubaguy#topic Bugs14:32
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johnthetubaguyanyone got a bug thing to discuss14:32
bauzasyup14:32
bauzasone critical14:33
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bauzashttps://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1462424 which I consider non-critical since it's only impacting one driver14:33
openstackLaunchpad bug 1462424 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "VMware: stable icehouse unable to spawn VM" [Critical,Confirmed]14:33
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bauzas(and a stable branc)14:33
johnthetubaguyyeah, i just made that high14:33
bauzascool, was about to ask14:33
bauzasalso 33 bugs to triage yet14:34
markus_zI try to update the devref with a few thoughts and would appreciate feedback: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/18757114:34
markus_zShould end in a "one pager" for bug handling in nova14:34
bauzashttps://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1456228 is also waiting for a nova-core feedback14:34
openstackLaunchpad bug 1456228 in OpenStack Security Advisory "Trusted vm can be powered on untrusted host" [Undecided,Incomplete]14:34
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johnthetubaguymarkus_z: love the diagram by the way, its nice14:34
johnthetubaguy...so14:35
johnthetubaguythis is stuck bugs and critical bugs14:35
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johnthetubaguylets not get distracted14:35
markus_zjohnthetubaguy: thanks14:35
markus_zok14:35
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bauzasthat's it for me about bugs14:35
johnthetubaguyany news on the gate14:36
bauzasthe client has no bugs14:36
bauzasI mean no criticals :D14:36
johnthetubaguyI assume people would shout if we broke it right now14:36
johnthetubaguy#topic Open Discussion14:36
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gilliardAbout the gate...14:36
johnthetubaguygilliard: ah, fire away14:36
gilliardThere was a regression around live migration this week, caught by the multinode job but that's non-voting, because of...14:36
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gilliard#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/146230514:36
openstackLaunchpad bug 1462305 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "multi-node test causes nova-compute to lockup" [Undecided,Incomplete] - Assigned to Joe Gordon (jogo)14:36
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gilliardand14:37
johnthetubaguyoh thats good one to point out14:37
gilliard#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/144556914:37
openstackLaunchpad bug 1445569 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "No dhcp lease after shelve unshelve" [High,Confirmed]14:37
gilliardso if anyone can spare any time to see if they have any ideas, it'd be really appreciated.  jogo and I looked at them recently but no progress yet :(14:37
johnthetubaguyyeah, slammed right now, but very curious14:37
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johnthetubaguygilliard: thanks for those, they are good ones14:37
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johnthetubaguy#help please look at above two bugs to get the multi host job voting14:38
gilliardThanks.14:38
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johnthetubaguy#link http://doodle.com/eyzvnawzv86ubtaw14:38
johnthetubaguy#info the poll will close right after this meeting, be quick if you missed it14:38
johnthetubaguythats the poll for the preferred meeting time for this meeting14:38
jlvillalJust a note.  The Ironic bugs are being slowly worked on.  Appreciate the reviews.  Have got 3-4 fixes merged so far.  We continue to triage and work them.14:38
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johnthetubaguyjlvillal: are you adding the ready patches to that etherpad, and getting reviews from that?14:39
jlvillaljohnthetubaguy, Yes we are.14:39
johnthetubaguyjlvillal: cools14:39
jlvillaljohnthetubaguy, And delete them once they have been merged.14:40
johnthetubaguylchen: so you had a blueprint to talk about?14:40
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lchenjohnthetubaguy, yep14:40
johnthetubaguyjlvillal: awesome, stuff is moving thats the main thing14:40
lchenhttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/delete-retired-services14:40
lchenjohnthetubaguy, Can you please this little nava-manage util enhancement again?14:40
lchenCan you please consider this little nava-manage util enhancement again?14:41
johnthetubaguylchen: do we want folks to use the API rather than nova-manage really, I don't quite understand the request14:41
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johnthetubaguyI mean we want, not do we want14:41
johnthetubaguys/do we/we/14:41
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lchenjohnthetubaguy, this can be helpful in some cases like what I explained in the bp and the code review..14:42
dansmithI think we've previously said,14:42
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dansmiththat nova-manage should only be for things we can't do via the API14:42
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johnthetubaguydansmith: +114:42
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lchenjohnthetubaguy, we already have things like list/enable/disable in nova-manage actually14:43
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johnthetubaguylchen: so you can setup environment variables for the same user as nova-mange to make it the same?14:43
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johnthetubaguylchen: thats some stuff we keep meaning to remove really, there is a spec to fix us that those are broken, where that might get discussed14:43
dansmithlchen: those are from before we made it a goal to not add more things to nova-manage14:43
lchenjohnthetubaguy, dansmith,  ok.14:44
johnthetubaguylchen: I think we need to get people used to using python-novaclient (although thats about to die, but lets ignore that for this moment...)14:44
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lchenthat makes sense.  I will think of other ways to do that14:45
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johnthetubaguylchen: Ok, thank you14:45
lchenthat't alright.14:45
johnthetubaguylchen: help sharing that best practice with folks would really help14:45
lchenjohnthetubaguy, dansmith, sure.  thanks14:45
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johnthetubaguylchen: by which I mean, it would be great if you update the docs so its more obvious about the best way to do that, if you fancy that14:46
johnthetubaguylchen: was there another spec?14:46
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lchenjohnthetubaguy, no,  this is just a specless bp14:46
johnthetubaguycool, np14:46
johnthetubaguyany more for any more today?14:46
johnthetubaguyrequest-based-filter-selection14:47
johnthetubaguyis on the wiki14:47
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lchenjohnthetubaguy, yeah14:47
johnthetubaguyhttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/request-based-filter-selection14:47
lchenI added it in14:47
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lchenjohnthetubaguy, It's just a simple idea to save some computational cost of the scheduler14:48
lchenlet me find the link14:48
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bauzashttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/request-based-filter-selection14:48
lchenhttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/request-based-filter-selection14:48
lchenbauzas, thanks14:48
bauzaslchen: I see no changes in the whiteboard14:48
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johnthetubaguylchen: so it feels like that needs a spec, just to agree the direction that might affect all current filters and weights14:49
lchenbauzas, it's all in the description.14:49
bauzaslchen: also, that's part of an action I have to write to explain why amending filt_props needs a spec14:49
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lchenjohnthetubaguy, yep,  np14:50
lchenjohnthetubaguy,  we can discuss about it after a spec is composed.14:50
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bauzaslchen: well, I have questions and concerns about your blueprint, so indeed I would love a spec14:50
lchenjohnthetubaguy, bauzas thanks for the information14:50
johnthetubaguyyeah, too many questions, lets do a spec14:50
sdaguejohnthetubaguy: open question about the tree restructure to clean up the v3 bits on disk which confuse folks. What's the best way to get concensus on the final tree structure we should have? I'd like to sort that late this week, early next, then get plouging through that next week14:50
lchenjohnthetubaguy, bauzas sure14:50
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sdaguemailing list thread, etherpad it, spec?14:51
edleafesdague: discuss on the spec?14:51
sdagueedleafe: there isn't a spec14:51
gilliard#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189218/ ?14:51
sdagueoh, apparently there is one that I never saw :)14:51
johnthetubaguysdague: good question, maybe a spec is a good idea, with an ML point to spot to the spec?14:51
johnthetubaguyah, cool14:51
edleafegilliard: thx - you beat me to it14:52
johnthetubaguylets add this to the API priority etherpad to track it14:52
sdagueyep14:52
sdagueok14:52
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johnthetubaguysdague: possibly all of the above then14:52
johnthetubaguysdague: its one of those things we probably want to warn people just before we merge it14:52
sdagueyeh, sure, I didn't realize edleafe and alex_xu were already running with it14:52
johnthetubaguylike the unit test thing14:53
johnthetubaguyall good14:53
johnthetubaguyso one thing about that14:53
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johnthetubaguywe probably want to remove the plugin/extension idea at the same time?14:53
johnthetubaguywell not remove the idea14:53
alex_xujohnthetubaguy: yes, it should be another spec?14:53
johnthetubaguybut you know, move it to something else14:53
edleafejohnthetubaguy: the capability to load the extensions?14:53
sdagueyeh, it feels like if we are giving everyone merge conflict hell we should try to do it only once14:54
johnthetubaguyalex_xu: its just the path, but yes, thats a different spec14:54
johnthetubaguysdague: exactly my thinking there14:54
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sdagueI'm not convinced it's a different spec14:54
sdagueI think we want to talk about what we want our api on disk structure to look like eventually14:54
edleafesdague: johnthetubaguy: yeah, the merge conflict problem has been what I've been thinking about the most14:54
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johnthetubaguysdague: so the remove all the silly extensions and the mechanism can be separate, but yeah, lets get the path correct first time14:54
sdagueand it's steps to get there, but we should think about the whole end game14:54
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johnthetubaguyso its possible the move breaks on the config14:54
johnthetubaguysdague: true14:54
jlvillal5 minutes left14:55
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johnthetubaguyso we should probably break the config first14:55
johnthetubaguyjlvillal: yeah, we are almost done I think14:55
sdaguejohnthetubaguy: right, removing the extension optionality is another spec, but moving things around should be all part of this one14:55
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johnthetubaguysdague: +114:55
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johnthetubaguyso turns out we are probably all thinking the same thing here14:55
johnthetubaguybut we should agree that on the spec14:55
johnthetubaguy...so that means we are done I guess?14:56
* johnthetubaguy waits for tumble weed to go past14:56
edleafe+1 to discussing on the spec14:56
johnthetubaguyso thanks all, and happy spec review day for tomorrow (ish)14:56
johnthetubaguy#endmeeting14:57
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gordchi folks, just a headsup, i'm in some super firewall country so i may or may not drop during this meeting15:02
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gordcin case i do, jd__ lost the battle and will chair in my pace15:02
gordcplace*15:02
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gordclet's begin i guess15:03
gordc#topic Short term solution vote and decision on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/171826/15:03
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gordcrjaiswal: any update on this? we ran out of time last week15:03
fabioghi15:03
Rajkumar_Hellow Everyone15:03
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gordcfabiog: Rajkumar_: hey!15:04
gordcrjaiswal: ping15:04
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gordclet's move on15:05
gordc#topic Midcycle Meetup15:05
rjaiswalgordc: Yes15:05
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gordc... darn15:05
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jasonamyersha15:05
rjaiswalthe bp is ready15:05
rjaiswalhttps://review.openstack.org/18861315:06
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gordc#topic Short term solution vote and decision on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/171826/15:06
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rjaiswalsorry for the delay, hangsups15:06
* gordc completely understands15:06
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gordcrjaiswal: so is the only thing you need now just reviews?15:07
gordcrjaiswal: i think there was originally concerns with the scope15:07
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rjaiswalproposal is to use the polling approach15:07
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rjaiswalgordc: yes, especially the polling agent emit notification part15:08
gordcrjaiswal: kk, i think that's the one most of us were most comfortable with15:08
rjaiswalespecially now, since we have a bp to split the agents15:08
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gordcrjaiswal: yeah, that's not in scope of your bp (i still like the idea though15:08
rjaiswalcan we have a separate bp to refactor central agent emit noti.15:09
rjaiswaland i think there is a bp to refactor the api to do the same15:09
cdentyes and yes15:09
gordcrjaiswal: yeah, we were discussing it in fabiog/cdents refactor collection agents specs...15:09
rjaiswalgordc, yes, saw that15:10
cdentit's something that we can leave out of the discussion of the pipeline dynamic reconfig15:10
gordcrjaiswal: we should probably track it (polling agent/pipeline refactoring) in it's own15:10
cdenthowever, it kind of makes me wonder which is more important to do15:10
rjaiswalthink it should be done with the split spec at least or before that15:10
gordccdent: true. if we rip out pipeline from polling agent, a lot of the work rjaiswal will do may be wasted.15:11
rjaiswalgordc: polling agent still need pipeline to determine which meters are supported?15:12
cdentneeds a config file, not quite the same thing15:12
gordcrjaiswal: yeah... it'd be half a pipeline... or just the source part and not the sink15:13
cdent(e.g. you don't need to worry about draining transformation pipelines when the reload happens)15:13
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rjaiswalyes, but still would want to wait for pollsters to complete before starting new ones15:13
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* cdent nods15:14
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gordcyeah, i think we'd still need some part of pipeline to control poll intervals15:14
gordci guess it's something we can look at later... possibly in late L-2 cycle15:15
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rjaiswalso i think that begs the question, there will still be a dependency of the polling agent on the pipeline15:15
gordcrjaiswal:for now i'm inclined to prioritise the dynamic pipeline work since we have a spec and we've talked about it for a while15:15
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rjaiswalgordc: i agree15:16
gordcrjaiswal: i think you can work on your item as if the polling agent refactor stuff doesn't exist. we need to discuss it still and we don't necessarily have resources15:16
cdentrjaiswal: when you say pipeline do you mean the code which is a pipeline, or the pipeline.yaml?15:16
rjaiswalcdent: i meant the yaml15:17
rjaiswalcdent: as in its still needed to configure the pollsters with the intervals15:17
cdentgot ya, just wanted to clear15:18
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gordccdent: cool cool. did you want to write a spec? i can write one but it'll be a week or two.15:18
rjaiswalgordc, cdent: sure, will start working on it, also will be good to have the spec approved15:18
gordcrjaiswal: kk. we'll get eyes on that spec15:18
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gordci think jd__ has comments already15:19
gordcrjaiswal: anything else?15:19
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rjaiswali guess that its for me..15:19
cdentgordc: spec for killing pipeline (the code not the yaml) in pollsters you mean? sure15:19
gordcrjaiswal: cool cool15:19
gordccdent: yeah15:20
rjaiswalthanks gordc, cdent15:20
gordcnext topic15:20
gordc#topic Midcycle Meetup15:20
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cdent#action cdent write a remove pipeline from pollsters spec15:20
cdent(did I do it right?)15:20
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gordcjasonamyers: any updates? i think we were looking for possible dates and locations so we can gauge interest15:20
gordccdent: i don't understand irc meeting actions15:21
gordc#action15:21
gordcno help15:21
jasonamyersnothing yet we are talk with our office in IE15:21
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jasonamyersbut I don't have any answers.15:22
gordcIE = ireland?15:22
jasonamyersyes sorry15:22
gordckk15:22
gordci guess we'd target something in the july/august time frame.15:23
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jasonamyersnod15:23
gordcwe can do a doodle on that to see if we even need to bother looking for a place.15:23
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ildikov_I guess it would be better to aim for July15:23
ildikov_gordc: +115:24
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jasonamyersgood idea15:25
gordccan someone create a doodle of each week in july? i feel like i'm going to get firewalled if i try15:25
gordcand maybe first week of august15:25
gordcso mid july to mid august? (realistically we'll never get something planned by early july15:26
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ildikov_feature freeze is first week of September15:26
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ildikov_so with the first week of August I think we should target some hackfest like mid-cycle15:27
fabioggordc: is going to be held in Europe only, or it could also be in Cal?15:27
cdentNot that it should live or die on me, but if it is outside europe the changes of me going are pretty much zero.15:27
gordccdent: i feel like that's the same for everyone (except ppl in north america)15:28
fabioggordc: cdent just asking ...15:28
cdents/changes/chances/15:28
gordcfabiog: i'm probably leaning more to Europe as that's where most of contributors are coming from still.15:28
cdentyeah, I know fabiog, and I was just reporting15:28
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gordcfabiog: but i guess we can figure out that when we get a rough view of who would even attend.15:29
gordc#action gordc will create doodle... or will delegate when he gets firewalled15:30
gordcyeah that doesn't do anything... just looks like i'm talking to myself15:30
fabioggordc: sure. I think there is the possibility for Cisco to held something in Berlin. But I need to ask my boss first15:30
gordcanything else on midcycle?15:30
jasonamyershttp://doodle.com/64b5x9q4kkmxx4eq15:30
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cdentmaybe it logs pretty gordc15:30
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gordcjasonamyers: sweet! saved me the hassle15:31
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gordcfabiog: berlin would be awesome (fond memories)15:31
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gordceveryone vote up top asap... we'll decide whether we can do a meetup next week based on results.15:32
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* gordc is trying to get this voting asap so we can properly plan if it does happen15:32
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cdentunfortunately I can say when I can attend but not if I'll have funding to go15:33
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cdentso I feel a bit lame15:33
ildikov_gordc: will you announce it on the mailing list too?15:34
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gordcildikov_: sure. will do that15:34
ildikov_gordc: ok, cool, tnx15:34
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gordccool cool. next topic.15:35
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gordc#topic recurring: Gnocchi status15:35
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gordcjd__: sileht: cdent: life stories?15:35
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cdentjd__ has made nice progress on doing some cool asynch stuff for separating writes from aggregation15:36
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cdentwhich is a good thing™15:36
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cdentEOF15:36
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gordccdent: i... err... i got nothing to inquire about.15:37
cdentnext topic!15:37
gordcnext!15:37
gordc#topic Open discussion15:38
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gordci skipped ceilometerclient release.... i saw/remember  nothing important15:38
pradsome eyes on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/178399/ would be helpful .. so far i think only gordc reviewed it15:39
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cdentI remain confused about who is on the hook to do the collection agent split work. I'm agnostic on who does, I just want the lack of clarity cleared up.15:39
gordcyeah, i guess it'd be good to get eyes on all the specs so we can get work done on them asap15:39
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gordccdent: i think fabiog said you can work on it if you like15:40
gordccdent: basically it's on you... unless you say otherwise.15:40
fabiogcdent: yes. let's push the spec in and then I don't mind who start working on it15:40
rjaiswalcdent: let me know if i can help with the remving pipeline from pollster spec15:40
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fabiogcdent: I'll add you as co-author to the spec15:41
cdentprad: I've read that spec several times but don't have anything yet to add beyond what gordc has already been saying so I've been waiting for that to settle out before making comments or voting15:41
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cdentfabiog: that's cool, thanks, but I'm not super concerned about authorship, again just wanting clarity on what I need to be responsible for over the next few weeks. I'm happy (and want) to do the work once we decide what it is, so I'll own that part.15:42
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jd__sorry got side tracked15:45
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gordcjd__: no worries. something to add?15:45
jd__just that I could ask to host the midcycle in Paris if needed15:46
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jd__or Montreal?15:46
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gordcjd__: my rent in mtl expires in 3 weeks.15:47
jd__interesting :D15:47
gordcjd__:i'll add those locations to the email15:47
gordci guess that's it? i'll close this off in 30 seconds15:48
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gordcwe done15:49
gordcsee you later15:49
gordc#endmeeting15:49
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changzhiWhat does next meeting? Is tacker?15:54
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bobh_changzhi: Yes - the tacker meeting starts shortly15:57
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s3wongin 2 minutes actually :-)15:58
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s3wonganyone here for the Tacker weekly meeting?16:00
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bobh_Bob Haddleton16:00
sripriyas3wong: o/16:00
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dgollubhi16:01
changzhiHi16:01
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s3wongOK --- although sridhar_ram isn't here yet, let's get started16:02
s3wong#startingmeeting tacker16:02
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openstackMeeting started Thu Jun 11 16:02:27 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is s3wong. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:02
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s3wong#link agenda  https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Tacker#Meeting_June_11.2C_201516:03
s3wong#topic announcements16:03
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s3wongsridhar_ram: hello16:03
sridhar_ramho16:03
s3wongthe only announcement I have is that the tacker horizon patch is approved, and now we have a horizon repo16:04
changzhisridhar_ram:hi16:04
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sridhar_ramchangzhi: hi16:04
sridhar_rams3wong: that's the one I had to announce as well!16:04
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vishwana_hi16:04
s3wongsridhar_ram: go ahead and add links (to review and the repo)16:04
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s3wongvishwana_: hello16:05
sridhar_rams3wong: sure16:05
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sridhar_ram#link https://github.com/stackforge/tacker-horizon16:05
sridhar_ramFollow the README for installation steps16:05
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s3wongany patches on Tacker horizon from now on can go through the regular gerrit process against tacker-horizon16:06
sridhar_ramthis repo just carries the delta / dashboard required for tacker16:06
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s3wongsridhar_ram: great job!16:06
sridhar_rams3wong: thanks!16:07
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s3wongAny other announcement?16:07
sridhar_ramthe contribution came from vishwana_ .. so thanks goes to him as well!16:07
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sridhar_rams3wong: nothing else16:07
s3wongvishwana_: thanks!16:07
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s3wongOK, moving on16:07
vishwana_Glad to contribute16:07
vishwana_sridhar_ram, appreciate the recognition16:08
s3wong#topic Liberty topics (spill over from last week's meeting)16:08
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s3wongWe penciled in Murano discussion for this week16:08
s3wongdgollub: is there any news on contacting some Murano folks to join us?16:09
s3wong(for discussion, not contributing)16:09
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dgollubs3wong: sorry no - I contacted intially the wrong guy. I try to get some contact for next week16:09
s3wongdgollub: that is fine16:10
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dgollubjust keep it as action item for me16:10
melishaI can take Murano16:10
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dgollubmelisha: do you have some inside about there TOSCA translator/interpreter plan?16:10
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s3wong#action dgollub to work with Murano team and investigate viability of using Murano for Tacker VNF catalog16:11
Puri_Hi from Rakesh comcast16:11
s3wongdgollub: Thanks!16:11
melishaNot yet. S we are also interested in Tacker b Murano but more with Heat catalog16:11
sridhar_ramPuri_: hi16:11
s3wongPuri_: welcome! We would love to have user feedback!16:11
sridhar_ramregarding Murano and TOSCA here the recent discussion #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-June/066185.html16:12
sridhar_ramperhaps melisha: dgollub: should followup with the folks in this thread as well16:12
s3wongsridhar_ram: yes, I notice that Vahid from IBM is very active to contribute to Murano TOSCA effort16:13
sridhar_ramBTW I've some updates to share on Heat-Translator's TOSCA support16:13
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s3wongsridhar_ram: you want to do that later? on the status update front?16:13
sridhar_ramsure, can wait16:14
s3wongsridhar_ram: thanks16:14
s3wongMoving on16:14
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s3wongthe next carryover is HA16:14
s3wongwhen we were at the summit, folks from Stratus Technologies were interested to contribute16:15
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s3wongbut I haven't seen them (or did I miss anyone) on meeting16:15
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s3wonggiven most of us have immediate tasks in hand, I would suggest we should postpone the HA discussion / design later in the cycle16:15
s3wongis that OK with everyone?16:16
dgollubI agree. I can ping Arraon from Stratus so they can contribute some ideas/requirments/usecases/code ..16:16
s3wongdgollub: cool, Thanks!16:16
MasatoI think OK to postpone for a while16:16
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s3wongMasato: agreed16:17
sridhar_rams3wong: Sounds good. though we do have a simple 'network reachablility' based health check16:17
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s3wongWill take that off agenda until we have cycle to revisit later on in the cycle16:17
sridhar_ramso new folks trying out tacker .. please check it out16:17
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s3wongsridhar_ram: true, we have self-healing logic --- though it is tough to exactly call it HA :-)16:18
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s3wongMoving on16:18
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sridhar_rams3wong: true :)16:18
s3wong#topic Additional Liberty Topics16:18
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s3wongwe added some items in the etherpad also: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-tacker16:19
s3wongmost of them are items that we skipped during the demo cycle16:19
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s3wongthe devstack patch should be refined (local.conf without yamahata 's company IP addresses, for example)16:20
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s3wongand check into Tacker repo16:20
sridhar_rams3wong: devstack now supports plugin in the actual repo16:20
s3wongsridhar_ram: Oh, OK... need to see how that works then16:21
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sridhar_rams3wong: IMO .. this is an urgent tasks to ease of installation of Tacker16:21
s3wongsridhar_ram: +116:21
bobh_sridhar_ram: I agree16:21
s3wongsridhar_ram: I guess it is either you or me, want to take that?16:21
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sridhar_ramyes, in fact other items like cleaning up tacker.conf can wait16:22
s3wongsridhar_ram: OK16:22
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sridhar_rams3wong: is this something you can take up ?16:23
s3wong#action sridhar_ram to work on devstack plugin for Tacker16:23
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s3wongsridhar_ram: Oh, I though your "yes" means you are :-)16:23
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sripriyasridhar_ram: is this the devstack-tacker branch from yamahata's github?16:23
sridhar_rams3wong: I beat you to it ;-)16:23
s3wongsripriya: there is16:23
s3wongsridhar_ram: OK, I will look into it16:23
s3wong#action s3wong to look into devstack plugin for Tacker16:24
sridhar_rams3wong: thanks!16:24
s3wongsridhar_ram: yeah, I think having everyone looking into yamahata's local.conf and see how to modify it is a bit much for users :-)16:25
s3wongMoving on16:25
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s3wongC! test / Tempest16:25
sridhar_ramwhat we need is #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/devstack/plugins.html16:25
sridhar_ramexternally hosted plugins16:25
s3wongsridhar_ram: OK --- will take a look16:25
s3wongbefore we move to functional test, scenario test, and tempest, we need to first tackle the unit test part16:26
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s3wongI start to play around with our tox.ini, which really only does pep816:26
s3wongI will add py27 as well --- but of course, I need to write some unit test to test this16:26
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dgollubdid run_tests.sh worked at any time?16:27
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s3wongdgollub: I think it runs, but just pep8 for now16:27
s3wongas run_tests.sh usually runs what tests you enable and set up testenv accordingly16:28
dgollubon the current master branch it's failing quite early for me. But I guess we can take this later on #tacker16:28
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s3wongdgollub: OK --- I haven't tried it actually, so good to know16:29
s3wongMoving on16:29
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s3wongauto-scaling with Heat/monitoring/LBaaS16:29
sridhar_rams3wong: we need to talk about CI ?16:30
s3wongsridhar_ram: OK16:30
s3wongsridhar_ram: at its basic form, CI runs the repo's unit tests16:30
sridhar_rams3wong: it will be nice to have a some simple scenarios covered16:30
sridhar_rams3wong: no, I'm talking about invoking actual tacker scenarios on a PS16:31
s3wongsridhar_ram: so my take is we need to have our unit tests working before Jenkins can be a meaningful gate16:31
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sridhar_rams3wong: we need both..perhaps we can work on these in parallel16:31
s3wongsridhar_ram: I do agree the meaningful test should be more functional tests16:32
s3wongsridhar_ram: do you want to take on developing some functional tests?16:33
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sridhar_rams3wong: yeah, I can take that up..16:33
s3wongI am still on hook for preliminary unit tests16:33
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sridhar_rams3wong: sure, we definitely need those16:34
sridhar_ramI'll look into some basic functional tests16:34
s3wong#action sridhar_ram to look into developing preliminary functional tests16:34
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sridhar_ramwhich we can hook to a CI to get basic sanity going for our patchsets16:34
sridhar_ramit is better to establish these practices and frameworks early in the cycle :)16:35
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s3wongsridhar_ram: agreed. Especially given how much we depend on other projects, we need to make sure any development in Heat /Nova / Neutron would not break Tacker16:35
sridhar_rams3wong: true16:35
s3wongsridhar_ram: and that would be the most immediate items you will tackle (among the tasks on your plate)?16:35
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sridhar_rams3wong: yes.. I can go some background work on TOSCA .. but mostly discussions & emails16:36
sridhar_ram*do16:36
s3wongsridhar_ram: sounds good16:36
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s3wongFor the auto-scaling stuff, it is very low priority for now. I will do some preliminary investigation when I have time, but nothing urgent16:37
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s3wong#topic Liberty tasks status update16:37
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s3wongitem #1: tacker.conf16:38
sripriyaI'm working on refacotring the tacker.conf and identified few sections that can be removed16:38
s3wongsridhar_ram, sripriya, bobh_: any update?16:38
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sripriyawill be sending a patchset soon16:38
s3wongsripriya: OK. Thanks!16:38
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s3wongit is a bit of a mess right now16:39
s3wongit looks like neutron.conf :-)16:40
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sridhar_ramit is neutron.conf ;-)16:40
sripriyayes, many neutron sections such as quotas, agent scheduler extension and neutron specific options will be removed in first take16:40
s3wonghaproxy driver for LBaaS :-)16:40
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sridhar_ramI'd suggest to go after some low hanging items towards cleanup...16:40
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sripriyasridhar_ram: sure16:41
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s3wongsripriya: thanks for the update16:41
s3wongitem #2: TOSCA - Heat tranlator16:42
s3wongsridhar_ram: update?16:42
sridhar_ramI tried out heat's tosca translator..16:42
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sridhar_ramtacker currently uses a particular spec of TOSCA ..16:42
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sridhar_ram TOSCA Simple Profile for Network Function Virtualization16:43
sridhar_ram#link https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/55662/tosca-nfv-v1.0-wd01-rev04.doc16:43
sridhar_ramhowever the heat-translator doesn't seem to support this schema ..16:43
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s3wongsridhar_ram: is that something we can patch to heat-translator?16:44
sridhar_raminstead it supports a general schema that is doesn't have the node-types of NFV16:44
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sridhar_ramyes, I think we should reach out / collaborate with heat-translator team to bring in this support16:44
sridhar_rambobh_: do you more info in this area ?16:45
s3wongsridhar_ram: +116:45
dgollubthis schema seems to be fairly new. Was the first release of that simplified one in May this year?16:45
bobh_sridhar_ram: We have done some work internally with NFV and TOSCA - I can take a look at what it would take to add it to heat-translator16:45
sridhar_rambobh_: great, thanks!16:45
s3wongbobh_: cool, adding you to this item then :-)16:46
dgollubthe stock TOSCA things looks pretty diffrent IIRC16:46
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sridhar_ramdgollub: this schema was available even earlier...might have been revised in May16:46
sridhar_ramdgollub: agree, stock TOSCA is too general ..16:47
dgolluboh I see16:47
s3wongdgollub: the document says May 2015, so fairly new16:47
sridhar_ramgiven they have already spec'd out NFV / VNF stuff we should converge on that16:47
dgollubmakes sense16:47
sridhar_rambobh_: perhaps we can start a thread in the ML on this ?16:48
bobh_sridhar_ram: Sounds like a good idea16:48
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s3wongsridhar_ram: this is a working draft --- how often do they update?16:48
sridhar_rams3wong: I don't know much on the cadence of OASIS spec policy16:49
sridhar_ramperhaps we can get to meet some folks (from IBM) in the f2f mtg in VMware16:49
s3wongbut I do agree we need something to start out with --- and this is a "standard" doc, so start with that is reasonable16:49
s3wongsridhar_ram: yes, we can ask them next Monday16:50
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s3wongthe editor (Shitao Li) is only on the invite list for that meeting16:50
s3wongMoving on16:50
s3wongitem #3: monitoring framework16:50
s3wongbobh_, prashantD_: any updates?16:51
prashantD_s3wong : on that...I have filed a BP under launchpad. We don't have enough information to start writing spec16:51
prashantD_bobh_ : feel free update and add more info to BP16:51
prashantD_As bobh_ pointed out I am looking into MONaas and also Ceiliometer.16:51
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s3wongprashantD_: sure, you and bobh_ will come up with the design ... and I didn't expect that to be done in a week :-)16:52
bobh_prashantD_: I am also looking at Monasca - I think we should probably start there before inventing new things16:52
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prashantD_bobh_ : sure, When you have time wanted to discuss few things offline maybe16:52
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bobh_prashantD_: Sounds good16:53
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sridhar_ramwe need a spec in tacker-specs repo to review16:53
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s3wongprashantD_, bobh_: would be interesting to see how ceilometer and monasca work together16:53
sridhar_ramlaunchpad is just a pointer to the gerritt review16:53
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s3wongsridhar_ram: yes, but they haven't spec out yet :-)16:54
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bobh_sridhar_ram: I want to understand monasca a little better before starting a spec16:54
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sridhar_rambobh_: sure16:54
bobh_s3wong: Me too :-)16:54
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sridhar_ramthis definitely needs more ground work16:54
sridhar_ramlooks we lost s3wong:16:55
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dgollubshould we do the next topic?16:55
sridhar_ramI think we are done w/ the status updates16:55
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sridhar_ram#topic Open Discussion16:56
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dgollubjfyi, I did the telco working group usecase for VNF bringup .. which might be relevant to the config-driver work: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190080/16:56
dgollub#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190080/16:56
Puri_ 016:56
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sridhar_ramdgollub: sure, will review16:56
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s3wongsorry guys16:57
s3wongI was dropped for a moment16:57
sridhar_ramI believe Sripriya was also looking at config drive16:57
sridhar_rams3wong: np, we moved on !16:57
sripriyayes, heat support for config-drive16:57
s3wongsridhar_ram: good :-)16:57
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s3wongany other updates?16:57
sridhar_ramtime check .. 3 more mins!16:57
s3wong#topic Open DIscussion16:57
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sripriyaquick overview, this is possible and we will able to load configuration using config-drive16:58
dgollubperfect16:58
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s3wongsripriya: great!16:58
sripriyausing user-data tag16:58
dgollubwould this be also configurable - per VNF?16:58
sripriyayup16:58
sridhar_ramPuri_: we would like to understand potential usage pattern of tacker16:58
bobh_we use file injection in heat templates to do vnf-specific confguration today16:58
bobh_personality tag in heat template16:59
sridhar_ramPuri_: it will be great if you share your thoughts in the etherpad #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-tacker16:59
dgollubbobh_: then I would be interested if you get share your feedback on: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190080/16:59
bobh_dgollub: Will do16:59
dgollubthanks!17:00
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s3wongOK time's up17:00
s3wongThanks everyone!17:00
s3wong#endmeeting17:00
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sridhar_ramthanks all!17:00
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s3wongwow, one hour is really tight17:00
s3wongwe need to trim some stuff on the agenda list moving forward17:00
bobh_lots to talk about17:01
sridhar_rams3wong: yep, we can move to #tacker to chat a bit17:01
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gmann#startmeeting qa22:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Jun 11 22:00:42 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is gmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.22:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.22:00
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gmannHi, who all here today?22:00
hogepodgeo/22:01
dkranzo/22:01
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gmannhi  hogepodge dkranz22:01
dpatersono/22:01
gmannLet’s start meeting22:01
gmann#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Proposed_Agenda_for_June_11th_2015_.282200_UTC.2922:02
gmann^^^ Today's agenda22:02
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gmann#topic Specs Reviews22:03
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gmannLet’s discuss spec reviews.22:03
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gmannDoes anyone have any open spec review to discuss?22:03
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dpaterson#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138785/22:03
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gmanndpaterson: this is CLI one.. cool22:04
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dpatersonsi,  need one more +222:04
gmanndpaterson: yes, looks in good shape22:05
gmanndpaterson: i will review today22:05
gmanndpaterson: Thanks22:05
dpatersongmann: thank you22:05
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gmannanother spec is for external plugin from Matt22:06
gmann#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/184992/22:06
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gmannplease review which might be very imp for other project too22:07
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dpatersongmann: will review22:07
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dkranzgmann: I think Matt was planning to actual do the first cut at the plugin thing22:07
dkranzgmann: but he is out next week also22:07
gmanndpaterson: thanks22:08
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gmanndkranz: yes, he is in Tokyo till tomorrow then i think will be in Israel22:08
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gmannFrom ML, Ironic-Inspector needs to have their tests22:09
gmannthat might be useful for them22:10
dkranzgmann: there is also this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/178607/22:10
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gmanndkranz: ya, but not sure we should keep adding tests for non core projects till we move them out in their tree22:11
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dkranzgmann: yes, I am not sure about that22:12
gmanngmann: I will ask Matt about that direction. We planed dinner today :)22:12
dkranzgmann: there was a lot of talk about "big-tent" but for many folks what it really means is "small-tent"22:12
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gmanndkranz: heh, yea22:13
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dkranzgmann: I am not sure ironic/heat/ceilometer understood the "big tent" meant kicking them out in this way...22:13
gmanndkranz: IMO we should not stop till we are ready with plugin and and common stuff in lib22:13
dkranzgmann: I agree22:13
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gmanndkranz: exactly, Ironic guys stated the same22:14
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gmannanything else on spec22:14
dkranzno22:15
gmannLet's move on then22:15
gmann#topic Blueprints22:15
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gmannAny open blueprints that we need to discuss or any status updates?22:15
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gmann I have one22:16
dkranzgmann: go ahead22:16
gmann"Rearrange-nova-response-schemas" is completed22:16
gmannI have marked it completed in LP and spec to Implemented dir22:17
gmann#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190429/22:17
dkranzgmann: great22:17
dkranzI have one too22:17
dkranzWith my change to add networks to the account generator, we should be able to change the non-admin and non-isolated jobs to use test accounts22:18
dkranzWe just have to make the change in devstack and project-config. But I am not sure of the best way to make the change in devstack.22:18
gmanndkranz: cool22:18
dkranzThe devstack code is not really modular around this aspect22:18
dkranzIt is easy to change the iniset parts for tempest conf but where to run the account generator is not clear22:19
gmanndkranz: ohk22:19
dkranzthat's it22:20
gmanndkranz: i see, may be while configuring tempest - configure_tempest()22:21
gmanndkranz: because it is more like building up configure file22:21
dkranzgmann: that is the easiest thing but not where the current account creation is22:22
dkranzgmann: I guess I can push that up and see what folks say as the easiest way to get feedback22:22
gmanndkranz: yea, that will be good22:22
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gmanndkranz: thanks22:22
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gmannanyone else from anyone on BP22:23
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gmannlet’s move onto next topic.22:23
gmann#topic Devstack22:23
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gmannsdague, dtroyer: you there?22:24
gmannplease go ahead on Devstack22:24
gmannlooks like they are away.22:25
gmannanyone have anything on Devstack, otherwise let's move on next topic22:25
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gmann#topic Grenade22:26
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gmann jogo: you around?22:26
gmannok, let's move to next topic22:27
gmann#topic Bugs22:27
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gmann#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Tempest-bug-report22:27
gmann^^This week bug report22:27
gmannI had triage rotation last to last week but did not get much time due to LinuxCon.22:28
gmanndkranz has next week one.22:28
gmann#link  https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/qa-bug-triage-rotation22:28
dkranzgmann: yes, we need more volunteers22:28
dkranzgmann: maybe Matt should send a message to the core team22:29
gmanndkranz: yes, last week was empty22:29
gmanndkranz: +122:29
gmanndkranz: will ask him.22:29
tongl_hi22:29
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gmann#action Matt to send message to core team about more volunteer on bug triage rotation22:30
gmanntongl_: hi22:30
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gmannanything else on bug22:30
tongl_This is Tong Liu from VMware22:30
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gmanntongl_: please go ahead22:31
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tongl_I am a technical lead of OpenStack QA team and see if we can contribute to the upstream QA community22:32
gmanntongl_: you are most welcome22:33
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gmanntongl_: please join #openstack-qa channel in case of any help22:33
tongl_I found that the upstream tempest scenario is limited, and we are trying to contribute more scenario test22:33
dkranztongl_: excellent22:34
gmanntongl_: great22:34
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tongl_Also, I looked over the tempest plugin extension. It is good idea to have such plugin support.22:35
gmanntongl_: if you have bunch of them and need some feedback before starting implementation, you can put a qa-spec first22:35
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gmanntongl_: yes, that is much needed as project list growing in OpenStack22:35
tongl_We found a few areas that are specific to NSX plugin but not common to other vendors. It is good place for this kind of tests22:36
dkranztongl_: I'm not sure what you mean.22:37
tongl_for example, router-type, our plugin support three kinds of logical routers, exclusive, shared, distributed22:37
tongl_the upstream router tests only test router with default arg22:38
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dkranztongl_: I'm not sure if you are saying you want to contribute tests that will not run in the upstream environment?22:38
gmanntongl_: you mean only vendor specific tests?22:38
tongl_no, no22:38
tongl_I mean some are vendor specific but can be skipped if the extension is not enabled.22:39
tongl_we want to contributed tests that will run in upstream22:39
dkranztongl_: ok22:39
tongl_like distributed router scenario test, that definitely will run in upstream env22:40
dkranztongl_: just was not sure what you meant by "areas that are specific to NSX plugin"22:40
dkranztongl_: ok, great22:40
tongl_I mean that are some vendor plugin specific test22:40
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tongl_but can be skipped if the extension is not supported22:41
gmanntongl_: ohk, till they are good to run for upstream and not only vendor specific, will be good in upstream22:41
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gmanntongl_: Thanks. qa-spec will be good to start if there is something out of scope from Tempest then we can decide there only22:42
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gmannlet's move to next topic22:42
gmann#topic Critical Reviews22:42
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gmannDoes anyone have any critical reviews they'd like to bring up?22:42
tongl_What's the process of proposing blueprints. We do have a blueprint to improve tempest framework. But we can discuss next meeting.22:43
dkranzgmann: https://review.openstack.org/178607 has been sitting with +2 for a long time22:43
dkranztongl_: the easiest thing is to push some text to openstack/qa-specs22:44
gmanndkranz: yes, will try to look today or monday22:44
dkranztongl_: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/qa-specs,n,z22:44
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tongl_thanks, let's move on to the next topic22:45
gmanntongl_: #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/qa-specs/22:45
gmannI have some reviews for tempest-lib22:46
gmann#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189549/22:46
gmannand its dependent patches22:46
dkranzgmann: I will look tomorrow22:47
gmannwanted to push those in next lib release22:47
gmanndkranz: Thanks.22:47
gmannany other reviews22:47
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gmannlet's move on22:48
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gmann#topic open-discussion22:48
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gmannany other thing to discuss22:48
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gmannThere is some patches need master tempest-lib to be release22:49
gmannas Matt is on vacation and seems like oomichi has permission to release new tag22:49
dkranzgmann: good22:49
gmanni will ask oomichi to do so if he can22:49
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dkranzgmann: it would be good if we all had permission and instructions22:50
gmanndkranz: yes, agree :)22:50
gmanndkranz: let's Matt come back and we can ask him22:51
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gmannthats all from my side22:51
gmannanything else from anyone22:51
gmannok, if there is nothing else, we'll end here22:52
gmannThanks everyone for joining the meeting.22:52
gmann#endmeeting22:52
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