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| JRobinson__ | APAC-Docs meeting is set to begin in 20 minutes | 00:41 |
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| JRobinson__ | The APAC Docs meeting is set to start in a few minutes - are there any objections to starting a bit earlier? | 00:54 |
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| JRobinson__ | Let's begin | 00:56 |
| JRobinson__ | #startmeeting docteam | 00:56 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 13 00:56:18 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is JRobinson__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:56 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:56 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' | 00:56 |
| JRobinson__ | #topic action items from last meeting | 00:56 |
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| Sam-I-Am | hello | 00:57 |
| JRobinson__ | There does not appear to be any additional items from the last meeting | 00:57 |
| bmoss | g'day | 00:57 |
| JRobinson__ | Sam-I-Am, bmoss hello o/ | 00:57 |
| darrenc | hi | 00:57 |
| adahms | Morning! | 00:57 |
| JRobinson__ | adahms, good morning | 00:58 |
| bmoss | hey adahms. | 00:58 |
| asettle | adahms deepti around? :) | 00:58 |
| adahms | Heya | 00:58 |
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| adahms | Deepti is going to be out this morning | 00:58 |
| pshige | Good morning! | 00:58 |
| adahms | She'll be around later in the day if you need to catch up with her on IRC, though | 00:58 |
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| JRobinson__ | adahms, thanks for the update :) | 00:59 |
| JRobinson__ | Next is kilo tasks | 00:59 |
| JRobinson__ | #topic Kilo Tasks | 00:59 |
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| JRobinson__ | The RST publishing for Kilo is done, and the rest of the work is underway, the due date is late this week, early next week. | 01:00 |
| JRobinson__ | That's all I have to Kilo, any other patches that need attention or questions? | 01:00 |
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| JRobinson__ | #topic Docs Specs in Review | 01:01 |
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| JRobinson__ | In review, at the moment, are several new and ongoing docs specs. | 01:02 |
| JRobinson__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/docs-specs,n,z | 01:02 |
| JRobinson__ | ^This one is Liberty specs for API references, the training guide xml to rst conversion, adding hands on assessments, and a spec for training VM's in the public clouds. | 01:03 |
| JRobinson__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/174647 | 01:03 |
| JRobinson__ | The user guide spec is approved | 01:03 |
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| JRobinson__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/178427/ | 01:04 |
| bmoss | \o/ | 01:04 |
| JRobinson__ | in addition to the HA guide spec^ | 01:04 |
| asettle | Awesome | 01:04 |
| JRobinson__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/177934/ | 01:04 |
| JRobinson__ | And the last one noted is for API Reference Information^ | 01:05 |
| JRobinson__ | This type of planning takes effort - well done to the writers for these projects on getting the specification ready. | 01:05 |
| JRobinson__ | #topic Specialty team updates | 01:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specialty team updates (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 01:06 | |
| Sam-I-Am | i have a few | 01:06 |
| JRobinson__ | One update from the HA guide team: please look at the new spec. | 01:06 |
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| JRobinson__ | Install guide go! | 01:06 |
| JRobinson__ | Install guide team^update I'm guessing Sam-I-Am ? | 01:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | the install guide for kilo is pretty much done. a few patches seem to be waiting on packaging issues. most distros haven't released official packages for kilo yet. | 01:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | however, this is the most done we've had an install guide at release | 01:07 |
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| Sam-I-Am | we'd appreciate people testing the install guide | 01:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | especially after official packages drop... probably in the next week or two | 01:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | also planning to submit a spec for rst conversion | 01:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | karin's taking on this task | 01:08 |
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| Sam-I-Am | next is network guide | 01:08 |
| JRobinson__ | #info please test and review the new install guide, especially after the official packages arrive in the next week or two | 01:09 |
| JRobinson__ | noted down, how is the networking guide? | 01:09 |
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| Sam-I-Am | phase 1 (scenarios) published for kilo | 01:09 |
| Sam-I-Am | could use people to review and test them with kilo | 01:09 |
| Sam-I-Am | also working on presentation for openstack summit | 01:09 |
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| Sam-I-Am | post-summit, we'll preen the existing scenarios and start working on phase 2, which is intro to networking and neutron config | 01:10 |
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| Sam-I-Am | that's it | 01:11 |
| JRobinson__ | #info Networking Guide test and review is appreciated with Kilo, summit presentation is forthcoming, and phase two work is planned for post summit | 01:11 |
| JRobinson__ | thanks Sam-I-Am | 01:11 |
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| JRobinson__ | For the Training guides, the team is preparing to publish for Kilo | 01:12 |
| JRobinson__ | Similar to the HA Guide, the API docs team would appreciate reviews of the new spec posted earlier^ | 01:12 |
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| JRobinson__ | For the User Guide team, there is currently a set of reviews underway to solve duplication issues: | 01:13 |
| JRobinson__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+branch:master+topic:separate-user-guide,n,z | 01:13 |
| JRobinson__ | these require attention as a priority to avoid any conficts. See the mailing list for more information. | 01:13 |
| JRobinson__ | There are no security guide updates this week. | 01:13 |
| JRobinson__ | #topic docs tools update | 01:14 |
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| JRobinson__ | One update for tools to cover: | 01:14 |
| JRobinson__ | #info use 2.1.4 clouddocs-maven-plugin for Kilo | 01:15 |
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| JRobinson__ | that's all for now. | 01:15 |
| JRobinson__ | #topic Vancouver | 01:15 |
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| JRobinson__ | On to the summit, the summit sessions for those attending for following will be up by the end of this week. | 01:15 |
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| JRobinson__ | hmm, is that from last meeting/last week? Are the summit sessions up now? | 01:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | they are | 01:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | the schedule is up, at least | 01:16 |
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| JRobinson__ | good to hear. | 01:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | keep in mind the openstack summit and liberty design summit are two different things | 01:16 |
| JRobinson__ | #info Summit schedule is up | 01:17 |
| JRobinson__ | Sam-I-Am, Meeting agenda does not specify the design and liberty sessions. | 01:17 |
| JRobinson__ | Any further points on the summit next week? | 01:18 |
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| JRobinson__ | #topic APAC Meetups | 01:19 |
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| JRobinson__ | adahms, asettle any updates on the APAC openstack meet up for June? | 01:20 |
| adahms | Heya | 01:20 |
| asettle | We were discussing potential for room borrowing at RH to have pizza and summit debrief? | 01:20 |
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| asettle | Is this still possible adahms | 01:21 |
| adahms | Looking at our upcoming schedule, we are going to be in the thick of it this June / July | 01:21 |
| adahms | Any chance we can regroup and catch up during the docs swarm in August? | 01:21 |
| asettle | adahms the idea of hte docs swarm is that we have a full on two days | 01:21 |
| asettle | So | 01:21 |
| asettle | No chance of anything at the end of may? | 01:22 |
| asettle | if not, no dramas :) | 01:22 |
| adahms | Probably not, I'm afraid :( | 01:22 |
| adahms | It's just that time of year - any time after mid to late July and things will start to slow down a little again | 01:22 |
| asettle | That's alright. I think those that are available can potentially come to lunch/breakfast with us Rackers when loquacities returns for a summit debrief | 01:22 |
| asettle | Yeah totally | 01:22 |
| adahms | Yeah, that'd be cool | 01:23 |
| asettle | JRobinson__ put a note in for future discussion. At the moment it's TBD. | 01:23 |
| asettle | Please :) | 01:23 |
| JRobinson__ | #info Busier schedule in June & July will most likely mean meeting plans will need rescheduling. Formal Meeting plan TBD at the moment. | 01:23 |
| asettle | I'd probably say we'll end up doing something pretty informal | 01:23 |
| asettle | I nearly typed unformal | 01:23 |
| asettle | Sigh | 01:23 |
| JRobinson__ | #info Less formal meeting for APAC contributors is possible for June & July depending on individual schedules. | 01:24 |
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| asettle | *thumbs up* thanks JRobinson__ :D | 01:24 |
| JRobinson__ | np :) | 01:24 |
| JRobinson__ | Now for the docs swarm | 01:24 |
| JRobinson__ | Are there any updates on the meeting scheduling | 01:24 |
| asettle | We have the dates sorted, suyog sorted that | 01:25 |
| asettle | And we have the SME's lined up | 01:25 |
| asettle | All we need to do now is wait for the date | 01:25 |
| JRobinson__ | suyog, asettle good to hear. | 01:25 |
| asettle | I don't think there's much more to discuss, you can probably remove any future content about the docs swarm on tehre | 01:25 |
| asettle | Unless it's a reminder that it's coming up | 01:25 |
| bmoss | agreed. We won't have any more details until closer to the time. | 01:25 |
| JRobinson__ | #info Dates and location for August Docs Swarm confirmed, SME confirmed, any future notices should be reminders only closer to the date in August. | 01:26 |
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| asettle | Great, thanks JRobinson__ :) | 01:26 |
| JRobinson__ | okay, done and done, next | 01:26 |
| JRobinson__ | #topic Meeting time | 01:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Meeting time (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 01:26 | |
| JRobinson__ | So today I miscalculated and started 25 minutes late. For Future APAC meetings, the UTC 00:30 will apply. | 01:27 |
| JRobinson__ | Sorry for the timing issues. | 01:27 |
| JRobinson__ | Is the new meeting time working though? | 01:27 |
| adahms | No problems - thanks for the update | 01:27 |
| adahms | All good on my side | 01:27 |
| adahms | Thanks for being so flexible | 01:28 |
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| bmoss | works for me | 01:28 |
| JRobinson__ | Meetings are now alternating weeks as well now. | 01:28 |
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| Sam-I-Am | seems fine | 01:29 |
| JRobinson__ | And a key topic - The US-timed meeting still need a contributor as a chairperson. | 01:29 |
| asettle | Sam-I-Am would you want to do that? | 01:29 |
| JRobinson__ | There was some back and forth, briefly, on the mailing list about this point too. | 01:29 |
| Sam-I-Am | uhh, i guess i could as long as the bus isn't late | 01:30 |
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| Sam-I-Am | not sure why anne cant keep doing it :) | 01:30 |
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| JRobinson__ | #info Still need a US based contributor to chair US meetings - contact mailing list | 01:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | so... i guess i can do it for now with the caveat that it might start a little late sometimes | 01:32 |
| JRobinson__ | Sam-I-Am, I'll bring it up on the mailing list again since iirc there was a volunteer already - will confirm with them first | 01:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | ok, i cant find that thread | 01:32 |
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| JRobinson__ | It was in the April 30 What's up doc - looks like Shilla S was discussing it with Lana. | 01:34 |
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| JRobinson__ | #Action JRobinson__ to check in with the status of the US Docs IRC chair | 01:35 |
| JRobinson__ | I'll ask about it. | 01:35 |
| Sam-I-Am | ok, see it now | 01:35 |
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| JRobinson__ | if there's no further points, we'll move on | 01:36 |
| JRobinson__ | #topic Open Discussion | 01:37 |
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| bmoss | Will there be a meeting next week during Summit? | 01:37 |
| Sam-I-Am | i doubt it | 01:37 |
| bmoss | or shall we reconvene after summit? | 01:37 |
| adahms | I am going to have to head off to another meeting all - good talking | 01:38 |
| Sam-I-Am | we'll probably have an on-site meeting | 01:38 |
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| Sam-I-Am | in a bar | 01:38 |
| adahms | Talk again at the next catch up :) | 01:38 |
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| JRobinson__ | adahms, thanks and see you later o/ | 01:38 |
| bmoss | Sam-I-Am, perfect. :) | 01:38 |
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| JRobinson__ | bmoss, from what I remember meetings suspend while a summit is on. | 01:38 |
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| JRobinson__ | Sam-I-Am, is right. | 01:38 |
| JRobinson__ | #link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42kUhohO7B0 | 01:38 |
| bmoss | ok, cool. I'll strike it from my calender. | 01:39 |
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| JRobinson__ | this is video showing a graphic of the openstack manuals progression^ | 01:39 |
| Sam-I-Am | less meeting, mo betta | 01:39 |
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| bmoss | JRobinson__, that's way cool | 01:40 |
| JRobinson__ | Christian created it with Gource, which is a graphics tool designed to show the evolution of repositories. | 01:40 |
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| JRobinson__ | bmoss, I thought it was worth sharing :) | 01:40 |
| JRobinson__ | If there's no further points, we'll call it there. | 01:40 |
| pshige | I became the Ironic project liaison with documentation. Nice to meet you! | 01:41 |
| Sam-I-Am | i think we're good | 01:41 |
| Sam-I-Am | hello | 01:41 |
| bmoss | hi pshige | 01:41 |
| Sam-I-Am | liase well :) | 01:41 |
| JRobinson__ | pshige, welcome aboard, | 01:41 |
| darrenc | hi pshige | 01:42 |
| pshige | hi | 01:42 |
| suyog | hello, pshige. | 01:42 |
| pshige | I will attend the cross-project workshop of OpenStack Documentation at least. any other suggestions? | 01:42 |
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| JRobinson__ | Thanks everyone, I'll stop the meeting and discussion can continue on or off channel | 01:43 |
| JRobinson__ | #endmeeting | 01:43 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 13 01:43:12 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-05-13-00.56.html | 01:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-05-13-00.56.txt | 01:43 |
| pshige | thanks | 01:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-05-13-00.56.log.html | 01:43 |
| suyog | Thanks, JRobinson__ . | 01:43 |
| JRobinson__ | suyog, no problems :) | 01:43 |
| Sam-I-Am | thanks | 01:43 |
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| JRobinson__ | pshige, no problems, all the best with the summit if you're attending. | 01:44 |
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| JRobinson__ | Heading to another meeting now as well o/ | 01:44 |
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| pshige | Are there cross-project meeting of documentation? | 14:08 |
| annegentle | pshige: I'm confused also, I see it on the calendar, but they held one in the APAC time zone | 14:09 |
| annegentle | pshige: so I guess not | 14:09 |
| annegentle | loquacities: do you know what happened with the meeting schedule and the OpenStack ical feed? | 14:09 |
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| pshige | annegentle: thanks! | 14:13 |
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| annegentle | pshige: great to see you liaising and all :) | 14:14 |
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| pshige | annegentle: sure! I will be there! | 14:19 |
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| BobBall | #startmeeting XenAPI | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 13 15:00:27 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is BobBall. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'xenapi' | 15:00 |
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| BobBall | Anyone here? | 15:00 |
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| BobBall | johnthetubaguy and I have agreed the best plan for this meeting is actually to meet up in Vancouver | 15:01 |
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| johnthetubaguy | +1 | 15:01 |
| BobBall | Given that it's next week | 15:01 |
| * johnthetubaguy lets have a beer | 15:01 | |
| BobBall | So - as a suggestion - anyone reading the logs please email me at bob.ball@citrix.com | 15:01 |
| BobBall | and I'll make sure that you're included in the plan for the meeting next week. | 15:02 |
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| BobBall | Probably on Wednesday next week - so see you there. | 15:02 |
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| BobBall | I think that's all to say johnthetubaguy unless you have anything urgent? | 15:02 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I am good, thanks. | 15:02 |
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| BobBall | Great | 15:03 |
| BobBall | Very short one then! | 15:03 |
| BobBall | #endmeeting | 15:03 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 13 15:03:16 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:03 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2015/xenapi.2015-05-13-15.00.html | 15:03 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2015/xenapi.2015-05-13-15.00.txt | 15:03 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2015/xenapi.2015-05-13-15.00.log.html | 15:03 |
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| thingee | #startmeeting cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 13 16:00:01 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is thingee. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| thingee | Hi everyone! | 16:00 |
| tbarron | howdy | 16:00 |
| geguileo | Hi! | 16:00 |
| xyang1 | Hi | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | Morning! | 16:00 |
| rhedlind | hi | 16:00 |
| patrickeast | hi | 16:00 |
| scottda | Hi | 16:00 |
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| Swanson | Hello. | 16:00 |
| e0ne | evening:) | 16:00 |
| adurbin_ | hi | 16:00 |
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| thingee | Well my laptop decided to just not work at this convenient time. Reporting from my phone. | 16:00 |
| thingee | Yay technology. | 16:01 |
| asselin | hi | 16:01 |
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| jungleboyj | Hello! | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | Not another summit without a laptop. :) | 16:01 |
| DuncanT | lo | 16:01 |
| thingee | Usually I start with announcements but I'll do those last, hopefully once my laptop is working. | 16:01 |
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| jungleboyj | thingee: Summits are bad for your laptop. | 16:01 |
| DuncanT | HP do some nice tablets.... | 16:01 |
| Swanson | I prefer Dells. | 16:02 |
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| thingee | Let's start with the first agenda item for the liberty mid cycle meet up. | 16:02 |
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| winston-d | o/ | 16:02 |
| jungleboyj | Swanson: Thinkpads all the way! | 16:02 |
| DuncanT | Ok | 16:02 |
| thingee | #topic liberty mid cycle meetup results | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "liberty mid cycle meetup results (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:02 | |
| jgriffith | thingee: http://goo.gl/E4DoUy | 16:02 |
| thingee | DuncanT: hi | 16:02 |
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| DuncanT | Survey says: Dates are nearly tied, with a slight preference for the earlier date | 16:02 |
| thingee | jgriffith: lol | 16:02 |
| vilobhmm1 | hello all | 16:02 |
| DuncanT | Location is also nearly tied, FC wins by two votes | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | sweet! | 16:03 |
| asselin | were are the results? | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: How many times did you vote. ;) | 16:03 |
| DuncanT | smcginnis: zero | 16:03 |
| rhedlind | what about wifi? :) | 16:04 |
| hemna | yo | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | rhedlind: :-p | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | rhedlind: We know it works in FC at least. | 16:04 |
| DuncanT | asselin: I'll post them up to a spreadsheet later, I don't seem to be able to just make them public | 16:04 |
| hemna | where are the results ? | 16:04 |
| DuncanT | Wifi is apparently either very important, not funny or a reason for tears | 16:04 |
| asselin | DuncanT, how about openstack paste? | 16:04 |
| DuncanT | asselin: Working on it | 16:05 |
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| jungleboyj | Jennifer was glad to see you hadn't forgotten she couldn't get the wireless working. | 16:05 |
| vilobhmm1 | where r the results ? are we planning to have hangout sessions or some remote video conf session for people who will be remote and can't make it | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: There was one vote that it wasn't required. | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | ;-) | 16:05 |
| vilobhmm1 | :P | 16:05 |
| * thingee has his laptop back | 16:06 | |
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| jungleboyj | vilobhmm1: I am sure we will do Hangout again. | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: Yay! | 16:06 |
| vilobhmm1 | that helps..so that everyone can learn and contribute | 16:06 |
| DuncanT | jungleboyj: Two people say we should abuse your phone bill again | 16:06 |
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| thingee | #action DuncanT will post results and link to it from the original OpenStack dev ML post | 16:06 |
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| scottda | So when will a decision be made? Do we need to look at the survey first? | 16:07 |
| thingee | ok great so Fort Collins, and aug 3-5? | 16:07 |
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| jungleboyj | DuncanT: +2 | 16:07 |
| winston-d | and no wifi, no beer? ;) | 16:07 |
| scottda | There was a query on the etherpad for extending an extra day. | 16:07 |
| thingee | scottda: that was me | 16:07 |
| jungleboyj | winston-d: Bite your tongue! There must be beer! | 16:07 |
| adurbin_ | +1 on an extra day | 16:08 |
| hemna | wait, hold on...no beer? | 16:08 |
| hemna | wth | 16:08 |
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| smcginnis | thingee: Optional extra day would be nice. | 16:08 |
| thingee | I thought it would be great if just like at the summit, we had a day for sprints | 16:08 |
| scottda | It's fine from a standpoint of hosting to extend to Aug 6th. | 16:08 |
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| thingee | while we're all motivated after discussions | 16:08 |
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| scottda | Don't spread rumours about running out of beer. That will not be a problem. | 16:08 |
| thingee | I think the only person that couldn't make the early date was jungleboyj \ | 16:08 |
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| deepakcs | o/ | 16:08 |
| thingee | :( | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | To be clear, are we going to do like we did in the past where Monday is a day to travel and the real action is 4,5,6 and maybe 7? | 16:09 |
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| smcginnis | I like that plan. | 16:09 |
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| scottda | +1 to 4-6 plus maybe 7th | 16:09 |
| thingee | jungleboyj: +1 | 16:09 |
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| jungleboyj | Ok, that helps. Hopefully we can get the girl watching my boys to do one over night so I can fly out Monday. | 16:10 |
| hemna | isn't Friday a fishing day in Fort Collins ? | 16:10 |
| adurbin_ | jungleboyj: +1 | 16:10 |
| scottda | Every day is a fishing day | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | Worst case scenario I will have to come in on Tuesday. | 16:10 |
| rhedlind | scottda: +1 | 16:10 |
| thingee | ok so sounds like people are fine with these dates? | 16:11 |
| hemna | scottda, +1 | 16:11 |
| thingee | and location | 16:11 |
| thingee | assuming we have someone who can host in the area again | 16:11 |
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| hemna | so who is hosting in Fort Collins ? | 16:11 |
| hemna | :P | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: I will make it work. | 16:11 |
| scottda | I've planned on it | 16:11 |
| scottda | hosting, that is | 16:11 |
| rhedlind | New Belgium brewery? | 16:11 |
| ameade | lol shouldn't that have been the first question? | 16:11 |
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| scottda | I've got a room booked already | 16:11 |
| hemna | scottda, sweet | 16:11 |
| thingee | scottda: ha | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | scottda: we can arm wrestle over it :) | 16:12 |
| ameade | why not hawaii then we'll find someone to host? | 16:12 |
| ameade | lol | 16:12 |
| hemna | ameade, +A | 16:12 |
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| thingee | ameade: not sure if jgriffith can surf. | 16:12 |
| scottda | jgriffith: You want to host in Boulder? | 16:12 |
| scottda | OR in Fort Collins? | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | thingee: as a matter of fact, I used to surf quite a bit :) | 16:12 |
| thingee | whoa cool | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | scottda: I'd love to be able to offer something up, but HP in FTC is a way better setup | 16:13 |
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| thingee | jgriffith: you do have great divide where you're at.. | 16:13 |
| thingee | sort of close | 16:13 |
| thingee | ;D | 16:13 |
| scottda | OK. I'm not trying to hog the hosting. | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | scottda: was thinking Boulder would be nice/different and still close, but we don't have the same facilities you do | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | scottda: I was kidding, I think you did a great job last time and we'd be stupid not to take advantage of you again :) | 16:13 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: ++ | 16:14 |
| * scottda likes to be taken advantage of, but that's a different story.... | 16:14 | |
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| thingee | scottda: yeah I was happy with the HP's hosting last time. Good location | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | and we had network! | 16:14 |
| thingee | jgriffith: +10000 | 16:14 |
| * jungleboyj sighs | 16:14 | |
| hemna | :) | 16:14 |
| thingee | ok great. so this seems like we're fine. hosting details seem to be in the works | 16:14 |
| * jungleboyj starts looking into wifi jammers. ;-) | 16:14 | |
| akerr | cruise ships have wifi | 16:14 |
| scottda | Ok, I'll post up more details on the etherpad, and I'll book blocks of rooms at HP discount at local hotels this time. | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | scottda: ++ | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | We can put jgriffith's horse barn as a backup plan. :P | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | So should we plan to stay through Friday? | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: oh yeah, good point | 16:15 |
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| hemna | work through Friday ? | 16:15 |
| hemna | Friday is a hackathon day ? | 16:15 |
| * DuncanT might not be able to stay friday :-( | 16:15 | |
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| thingee | smcginnis: I was hoping I would find an airbnb for jgriffith's farm. Just like a clean lump of hay in the barm or something | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | full week might be a bit of a burden for some folks | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | thingee: Hah! | 16:16 |
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| thingee | hemna: yes sprints | 16:16 |
| jungleboyj | Ok. | 16:16 |
| thingee | hemna: I hate hackathon now. :P | 16:16 |
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| hemna | sprints is the new hackathon ? | 16:16 |
| thingee | jgriffith: the friday is completely optional | 16:16 |
| winston-d | beerathon | 16:16 |
| hemna | man I'm so behind in my vernacular | 16:16 |
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| jungleboyj | winston-d: ++ | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | thingee: cool... I get it | 16:16 |
| hemna | winston-d, fish-a-thon | 16:16 |
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| hemna | you guys can work, I'm hitting the river.... | 16:17 |
| hemna | :P | 16:17 |
| thingee | hemna: :) | 16:17 |
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| thingee | #agreed Fort Collins Aug 4-6. 7th is optional sprints | 16:17 |
| thingee | #action thingee announce to the OpenStack Dev ML | 16:18 |
| thingee | #topic Social Monday Night at the summit | 16:18 |
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| thingee | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-May/064024.html | 16:18 |
| thingee | jgriffith brought this up from the ML today. Are we interested in having our own get together? | 16:19 |
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| smcginnis | +1 | 16:19 |
| vilobhmm1 | at the summit yes +2 | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: +1 Especially if there is nothing else going on. | 16:19 |
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| ameade | +1 | 16:19 |
| hemna | no OS parties Monday night ? | 16:19 |
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| thingee | and if so, who can have their resources do planning/reservations? I'm spent for summit planning. | 16:20 |
| e0ne | hemna: everybody wait for Tuesday's party:) | 16:20 |
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| thingee | got quiet | 16:21 |
| scottda | +1 | 16:21 |
| cebruns | Who has the biggest hotel room? :) | 16:21 |
| smcginnis | Just everyone grab some 40's and meet down by the harbor. ;) | 16:21 |
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| adurbin_ | thingee: +1 on monday night social | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: That sounds like fun. | 16:22 |
| DuncanT | +1 on the idea, I can't vollenteer to org rhough | 16:22 |
| DuncanT | I remember a good microbrewery in the gaslight district, can't remember the name though | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | How many people are we talking? | 16:22 |
| e0ne | inderesting idea, something new for me, so I +1 on it | 16:22 |
| scottda | Maybe an etherpad to get a head count, post location, etc? | 16:23 |
| jungleboyj | scottda: Not a bad idea. | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | That would work. | 16:23 |
| thingee | scottda: http://attending.io/events/new someone mentioned | 16:23 |
| vilobhmm1 | scottda : good idea! | 16:23 |
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| thingee | maybe we can do that after count. | 16:23 |
| thingee | just was hoping someone would spearhead this | 16:24 |
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| adurbin_ | what is the estimated group size looking like? | 16:25 |
| thingee | spearheading does not mean you're paying. If vendors want to sponsor this event, that's cool. I guess I sort of saw this as us hanging out and catching up before the summit. Like we did at the last midcycle | 16:25 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: ++ | 16:25 |
| * DuncanT can look for a venue on sat eve once I'm there if needed | 16:25 | |
| scottda | I'll count up the people and try to book a room or something at a local pub | 16:26 |
| thingee | scottda: cool | 16:26 |
| scottda | Maybe I can work with Duncan | 16:26 |
| scottda | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/LibertySocialMondayCinderEvent | 16:26 |
| jungleboyj | scottda: Thanks! | 16:26 |
| scottda | sure. Beer motivates me, if you couldn't already tell. | 16:26 |
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| thingee | I think people all have their own expenses they can tap from. Maybe some people will buy rounds depending on group size. | 16:26 |
| jungleboyj | Just got this as one possible idea: http://the-roof.ca/ | 16:26 |
| thingee | So people post ideas of places we can reserve to the etherpad | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | Will do. | 16:27 |
| thingee | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/LibertySocialMondayCinderEvent | 16:27 |
| asselin | I think there's an hp gathering going on monday night | 16:27 |
| thingee | asselin: meet us after? :) | 16:27 |
| rhedlind | asselin: can we crash it? | 16:28 |
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| rhedlind | :) | 16:28 |
| thingee | #topic announcements | 16:28 |
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| thingee | #idea New drivers for Liberty need to be in by June 19th with CI. | 16:28 |
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| thingee | I guess that's more of a topic, but this sticks to our previous planning in previous releases | 16:29 |
| thingee | questions? comments? concerns? | 16:29 |
| xyang1 | thingee: 6/19 is the merge date? | 16:29 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: I had someone asking about that earlier and that was about what I had estimaed. | 16:29 |
| jungleboyj | *estimated | 16:30 |
| thingee | xyang1: yes needs to be merged. | 16:30 |
| thingee | anyone opposed to the date? | 16:30 |
| xyang1 | thingee: Is there a driver code submission deadline? | 16:31 |
| winston-d | Is that a deadline for brand new drivers, or for feature implementation of existing drivers as well? | 16:31 |
| hemna | so just to be clear, in order to +A a driver, it has to have CI working and reporting on the driver patch itself right ? | 16:31 |
| e0ne | thingee: could big queue in zuul be an issue for it before L-1 deadline? | 16:31 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: I'm not sure TBH | 16:31 |
| thingee | hemna: yes | 16:31 |
| hemna | thingee, ok good. that's what I was hoping. | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | thingee: I'd also really like to figure out what we're doing going forward | 16:31 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: IMHO having 50+ drivers in Cinder is not going to be sustainable | 16:32 |
| thingee | e0ne: definitely. so owners to the patches shouldn't wait | 16:32 |
| hemna | jgriffith, well, I think that can be a separate topic, but until we find a viable solution, we should stick to this no? | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | thingee: if you look at the stats on patches/bugs/review queue right now it's already greater than 85% drivers | 16:32 |
| thingee | jgriffith: agreed. I actually forgot about the talks about out of tree for the summit. | 16:32 |
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| thingee | jgriffith: but I didn't have time to review previous spec on the idea when neutron did it. | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | hemna: my point is we have talks planned at the summit so why make a decision now? | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | hemna: thingee I guess it doesn't hurt | 16:33 |
| hemna | sure, I think the only decision at this point is to stick to the existing plan. | 16:33 |
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| jgriffith | hemna: fair enough | 16:33 |
| e0ne | thingee: do you have any plans to make current 3rd party CIs more effective? | 16:33 |
| thingee | jgriffith: I wanted something in the air now, so there is time for people to make arrangements. I agree we should have something planned at the summit to discuss this | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: +1 | 16:33 |
| e0ne | e.g. Oracle CI voted on my patch after about 4 days when it posted | 16:34 |
| jungleboyj | Good topic after a couple of beers. :-) | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | thingee: that makes sense | 16:34 |
| asselin | e0ne, there's quite a few infras sessions to get and common openstack ci solution scheduled | 16:34 |
| hemna | e0ne, doh | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | e0ne: I'm more concerned with stats for those that regularly vote | 16:34 |
| e0ne | jgriffith: +1 | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | e0ne: by stats I mean false fail rate | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | e0ne: thingee I'm trying to figure out how to get radar to work and make it a req | 16:35 |
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| thingee | jgriffith: how about I announce that we're looking at this being the date, but we'll have a final decision at the summit? | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | but node is being a PITA for me... maybe we should look at patrickeast 's solution | 16:35 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: How about a cinder-drivers repo with a more open (larger) core? | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | thingee: I think that's great | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: yeah, I mean hell... if we have a repo for brick WTF not? | 16:35 |
| e0ne | jgriffith: we need to try get a list of requirements to CI. maybe on Friday at Summit? | 16:35 |
| thingee | xyang1: do you mind proof reading my announcement to make sure it's clear? :) | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | err... WTH (why the heck) | 16:35 |
| xyang1 | thingee: Sure | 16:36 |
| thingee | I think I had more questions from you on the announcement for Kilo, so your feedback would be great. | 16:36 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: repos are cheap... it seems better than totally out-of-tree | 16:36 |
| xyang1 | thingee: Ok | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: dont' disagree, need some thought/discussion though IMO which we have slated for Summit | 16:36 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: +1 | 16:36 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: +1 | 16:36 |
| hemna | DuncanT, I'm not clear what that buys us really. | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | hemna: let's people like me ignore that repo :) | 16:37 |
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| thingee | #agreed Final decision for drivers to be submitted in Liberty will be decided at the summit. So far June 19th is a possible date | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | hemna: seriously though... it doesn't buy a ton | 16:37 |
| hemna | jgriffith, can't you ignore reviews in volume/drivers now ? | 16:37 |
| DuncanT | hemna: We can have more people with +2 on that repo than cinder core | 16:37 |
| thingee | #action thingee will announce June 19th as being a possible date, and the arrangements for discussion at the summit | 16:37 |
| e0ne | DuncanT: do you have any feedback about out-of-tree drivers from nuetron? | 16:37 |
| DuncanT | hemna: Essentially encourage people to review each other's drivers | 16:37 |
| hemna | anyway, just thinking out loud sorry. | 16:38 |
| asselin | there's some disucssions going on in Nova about splitting core responsibilities...I think there's a session scheduled for it | 16:38 |
| thingee | So other announcements.. Cinder specs! | 16:38 |
| thingee | keep on reviewing. | 16:38 |
| DuncanT | e0ne: Neutron is a mess re code quality and functional consistency | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | we can save it for the summit, but I'd like to come up with a way to incentivize more "community" participation | 16:38 |
| thingee | patrickeast just posted a generic image caching spec https://review.openstack.org/182520 | 16:38 |
| thingee | please to be reviewing ^^ | 16:38 |
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| thingee | jgriffith also needs feedback before the summit on replication v2 spec https://review.openstack.org/155644 | 16:39 |
| thingee | also to be reviewing ^^ | 16:39 |
| jungleboyj | ++ | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | thingee: while you're asking :) | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | https://goo.gl/TrrLuF | 16:40 |
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| thingee | jgriffith: ah yes, I have a vm waiting for me to test that | 16:40 |
| asselin | #link https://libertydesignsummit.sched.org/event/179f43bed9fb2afdb3999c13d9a39480#.VVN-jvlVhBc | 16:40 |
| thingee | saw your message when I was already reading in bed :) | 16:40 |
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| asselin | Cross-project: in-team scaling link ^^ | 16:41 |
| thingee | we also have a fish bowl session at the summit for discussing Volume performance and Health collection from backends | 16:41 |
| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/178748/ | 16:41 |
| thingee | need vendors to give feedback to help adurbin_ with the session | 16:42 |
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| thingee | don't wait until the session please. | 16:42 |
| hemna | ok I'll check it out | 16:42 |
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| thingee | ok, so next up | 16:43 |
| thingee | removing v1 | 16:43 |
| thingee | I have the patch up. it fails everything | 16:43 |
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| thingee | there are a lot of little areas here and there on different projects that are doing weird things are default to v1 | 16:43 |
| hemna | ship it! | 16:43 |
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| thingee | I'm looking for people to help me on getting things ready in other projects | 16:44 |
| thingee | like heat, nova, etc | 16:44 |
| thingee | openstack client | 16:44 |
| adurbin_ | thingee: sorry, I stepped out for a second | 16:44 |
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| e0ne | thingee: what about version descovering in cinderclient? | 16:44 |
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| thingee | e0ne: it's shipped | 16:44 |
| thingee | 1.2.1 | 16:44 |
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| e0ne | thingee: great! | 16:44 |
| adurbin_ | thingee: I have some ammendments to make to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/178748/, i'll try to get them up this week | 16:44 |
| thingee | so if anyone wants to help me with the v1 removal effort, please contact me | 16:45 |
| e0ne | thingee: i'll ping you:) | 16:45 |
| thingee | other great news, cinder is now using os-brick! | 16:45 |
| thingee | yay hemna ! | 16:45 |
| thingee | https://review.openstack.org/155552 | 16:45 |
| hemna | :) | 16:45 |
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| thingee | hemna: got the nova patch handy? | 16:46 |
| thingee | to switch it to os-brick? | 16:46 |
| hemna | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/175569/ | 16:46 |
| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/155552 | 16:46 |
| hemna | that's my WIP nova patch | 16:46 |
| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/175569/ | 16:46 |
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| thingee | hemna: what's the plan so far? | 16:46 |
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| hemna | there are some os-brick patches I'd like to see land | 16:46 |
| thingee | hemna: when do we expect this to be ready for review/testing | 16:46 |
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| hemna | I was hoping to get it done before Vancouver | 16:47 |
| hemna | but I'm running out of time | 16:47 |
| patrickeast | does this mean we should have our ci systems start testing os-brick changes? | 16:47 |
| e0ne | hemna: do you have some kind of roadmap/blueprints/etc? | 16:47 |
| asselin | patrickeast, +1 | 16:47 |
| hemna | e0ne, not yet | 16:47 |
| thingee | patrickeast: hemna and I were going to have a discussion about os-brick testing | 16:47 |
| thingee | never happened | 16:47 |
| hemna | patrickeast, asselin and I have started thinking about CI'ing os-brick patches | 16:47 |
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| hemna | basically we need every os-brick patch to kick off cinder 3rd party CI tests as well | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | patrickeast: oh crap, really? | 16:48 |
| hemna | making sure we aren't breaking cinder | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | patrickeast: that's a side effect I didn't think of | 16:48 |
| patrickeast | its easy enough to add it as a project to watch in zuul | 16:48 |
| thingee | jgriffith: sort of simple | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | ok, can I just say that's kind of crazy IMO | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | CI brick and Cinder? | 16:48 |
| hemna | making sure we don't break things ? | 16:49 |
| e0ne | hemna: at least, it would be great to run tempest over the each brick patch | 16:49 |
| patrickeast | i guess the alternative is to wait for the cinder changes where we rev the brick version, right? | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | hemna: ineffeciency | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | patrickeast: yeah, but that's probably not a great option :) | 16:49 |
| DuncanT | All of the brick code used to be in cinder, so there shouldn't be a significant change in the number of changes... | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | hemna: what ROC do you expect to see in the lib? | 16:49 |
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| hemna | ROC ? | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | it should be minimal right? Otherwise it shouldn't be a lib | 16:49 |
| e0ne | ROC? | 16:49 |
| jungleboyj | Rate of Change | 16:50 |
| DuncanT | rate of change | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | Rate Of Change | 16:50 |
| hemna | heh | 16:50 |
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| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:50 |
| hemna | it shouldn't be changing much | 16:50 |
| smcginnis | Wouldn't that entail that we (our CIs) would need to pull down Cinder master and brick patch to test it. | 16:50 |
| * jungleboyj Heard it come out in harmony | 16:50 | |
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| hemna | there is a bit of changes we need to add to it, due to features that made it into Nova that didn't get into Cinder | 16:50 |
| smcginnis | That's not a trivial change from how it works right now. | 16:50 |
| thingee | DuncanT raises a good point. The change would've been triggered in the Cinder project. The change is just in a different project, so it's not really adding more to CI's | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | hemna: thingee so actually this is a non-issue | 16:50 |
| thingee | it's just you have another project to watch | 16:50 |
| hemna | There are a few bugs I filed about those, but after that, the ROC shouldn't be much at all IMHO | 16:50 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: need to take a look how oslo libs are tested | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | hemna: thingee rules for upgrading brick in Cinder are just like any other req lib | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | hemna: thingee needs a patch to reqs file | 16:51 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: True. I would see this as the same. | 16:51 |
| hemna | ok | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | you try and update Cinder, shit fails, you fail the merge/patch | 16:51 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: because cinder and nova will use brick not from master | 16:51 |
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| jgriffith | e0ne: exactly | 16:51 |
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| hemna | sorrison, we need to pin the requirements.txt to a specific version then ? | 16:51 |
| hemna | gah | 16:52 |
| hemna | so | 16:52 |
| thingee | jgriffith: finding what broke when updating requirements is cinder will be fun | 16:52 |
| thingee | git bisect | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | hemna: well, yeah. | 16:52 |
| thingee | :) | 16:52 |
| hemna | right now it's open to any version. | 16:52 |
| e0ne | and that's why devstack installs it from pypi, not from git master | 16:52 |
| hemna | global-requirements.txt just says 'os-brick' | 16:52 |
| hemna | no versioning | 16:52 |
| thingee | hemna: we can change that | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | thingee: no different than oslo, keystone and the giant list of libs we have currently | 16:52 |
| thingee | jgriffith: true | 16:52 |
| hemna | thingee, yah I think we should | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | hemna: well that's the first patch brick needs then | 16:52 |
| e0ne | hemna: it doesn't metter while we have only one release | 16:52 |
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| jgriffith | hemna: you can't have an externallib with no versioning | 16:52 |
| hemna | jgriffith, yup. | 16:53 |
| hemna | jgriffith, should add that today. | 16:53 |
| thingee | ok last announcement... | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | hemna: cool | 16:53 |
| thingee | LVM thin type | 16:53 |
| thingee | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182498/ | 16:53 |
| winston-d | hemna: I asked that earlier in your patch adding os-brick to requirements.txt | 16:53 |
| thingee | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182499/ | 16:53 |
| thingee | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182528/ | 16:53 |
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| hemna | winston-d, we are ok right now. we only have 1 release of os-brick in pypi, with nothing planned in the short term. we can update global-requirements to pin it to 0.1.0 for now and then update cinder. | 16:54 |
| thingee | jgriffith is adding this option to devstack, add an experimental gate job | 16:54 |
| winston-d | hemna: cool | 16:54 |
| thingee | jgriffith: what improvements do you see this bringing to gate? | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | hemna: we'll have to figure out that stuff later I think | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | thingee: LVMThin? | 16:55 |
| hemna | jgriffith, yah | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | thingee: it's better | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | thingee: faster | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | better snaps etc | 16:55 |
| e0ne | and it works! :) | 16:56 |
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| jgriffith | and ideally I'd like to see it made the default for Cinder in the future | 16:56 |
| thingee | #idea LVM Thin experimental job in gate. Better, Faster, Stronger. | 16:56 |
| jgriffith | thingee: main thing is we keep piling in options and we don't test them | 16:56 |
| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182498/ | 16:56 |
| jgriffith | we either need to remove options, or test them propertly IMO | 16:56 |
| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182499/ | 16:56 |
| jgriffith | and probably a little of both | 16:56 |
| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182528/ | 16:56 |
| jgriffith | thingee: LOL | 16:56 |
| jgriffith | BFS | 16:57 |
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| thingee | those are the reviews. interested folks, please show support ^ | 16:57 |
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| e0ne | 3 minutes reminder | 16:57 |
| hemna | thingee, jgriffith e0ne https://review.openstack.org/182756 | 16:57 |
| thingee | #topic open discussion | 16:57 |
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| cebruns | Have the fishbowl and working sessions been given timeslots in Vancouver? | 16:58 |
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| thingee | cebruns: yes | 16:58 |
| cebruns | Ok - I looked for them but didn't see 'em in the schedule. Is there a link? | 16:59 |
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| thingee | cebruns: http://libertydesignsummit.sched.org/type/design+summit/Cinder | 16:59 |
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| cebruns | thingee: Thanks! | 16:59 |
| thingee | fwiw, work session topic in most of those names is on purpose. | 17:00 |
| thingee | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 13 17:00:05 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-05-13-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-05-13-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
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| tjones1 | #startmeeting vmwareapi | 17:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 13 17:02:12 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tjones1. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vmwareapi' | 17:02 |
| tjones1 | hi anyone around today? | 17:02 |
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| thangp | o/ | 17:03 |
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| tjones1 | hi thangp - gonna be another short meeting if just you and me :-) | 17:03 |
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| thangp | :) | 17:04 |
| thangp | last one before summit | 17:04 |
| tjones1 | going to vancouver next week? | 17:04 |
| thangp | yes | 17:04 |
| tjones1 | me too | 17:04 |
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| thangp | will see you there :) | 17:04 |
| thangp | is there a vmware nova session? | 17:04 |
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| tjones1 | yes that will be nice. i don't think they are doing driver specific sessions any more | 17:05 |
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| tjones1 | just unconferences for BP that need discussion | 17:05 |
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| thangp | ok :/ | 17:06 |
| tjones1 | did you have any topics you wanted to discuss today? | 17:06 |
| thangp | not from me | 17:06 |
| tjones1 | do you have any things that you want to get into the vmwareapi driver for liberty? | 17:07 |
| thangp | just my swap feature (which i need to rebase) | 17:08 |
| tjones1 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/142174/ | 17:08 |
| thangp | i have a bunch of cinder work to do for liberty, so i wont be much help with vmware in liberty | 17:08 |
| thangp | tjones1: correct | 17:08 |
| tjones1 | ok well lets take back the rest of our hour then. thanks and see you next week | 17:09 |
| tjones1 | #endmeeting | 17:09 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 13 17:09:42 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:09 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2015/vmwareapi.2015-05-13-17.02.html | 17:09 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2015/vmwareapi.2015-05-13-17.02.txt | 17:09 |
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| thangp | bye, see you next week | 17:09 |
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| notmyname | swift team meeting time | 19:00 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 13 19:00:29 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 19:00 |
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| notmyname | who's here for the swift team meeting? | 19:00 |
| aerwin | o/ | 19:00 |
| mahatic | me | 19:00 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 19:00 |
| gvernik | hello | 19:00 |
| tdasilva | hello | 19:00 |
| jrichli | o/ | 19:00 |
| cutforth | o/ | 19:00 |
| ho | o/ | 19:00 |
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| imkarrer | o/ | 19:00 |
| acoles | here | 19:00 |
| wbhuber | o/ | 19:01 |
| hurricanerix_ | hi | 19:01 |
| nadeem | hi | 19:01 |
| mattoliverau | tdasilva: yay, your back! | 19:01 |
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| ho | tdasilva: welcome back! | 19:01 |
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| notmyname | tdasilva: I hope the family is doing well :-) | 19:01 |
| mattoliverau | +10000 | 19:01 |
| tdasilva | thanks!!! | 19:01 |
| tdasilva | family is great | 19:01 |
| notmyname | good to hear | 19:01 |
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| tdasilva | everyone is doing well..baby is growing and healthy | 19:02 |
| notmyname | we'll miss you next week, but I suppose "new baby" is an acceptable excuse ;-) | 19:02 |
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| tdasilva | :) | 19:02 |
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| torgomatic | 🙋 | 19:02 |
| notmyname | speaking of next week, that's the main thing to talk about today | 19:02 |
| mattoliverau | lol, but by next summit, baby must be a swift contributor :P | 19:02 |
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| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 19:02 |
| kota_ | hi, sorry be late a bit | 19:02 |
| tdasilva | mattoliverau: lol | 19:02 |
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| notmyname | #topic summit prep | 19:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "summit prep (Meeting topic: swift)" | 19:03 | |
| notmyname | so, scheduling first | 19:03 |
| notmyname | #link http://libertydesignsummit.sched.org/type/design+summit/Swift#.VVOgAGDFrxJ | 19:03 |
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| notmyname | that's the swift design summit stuff | 19:03 |
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| notmyname | and this is the full summit schedule | 19:03 |
| notmyname | #link http://libertydesignsummit.sched.org | 19:03 |
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| notmyname | it has conference and design stuff on it, so it's your one place to look next week | 19:04 |
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| notmyname | that being said, there's actually one slot left over for Swift right now! | 19:04 |
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| notmyname | not that we dont' have stuff to talk about, but it seems I didn't take good enough notes for the last work session talk | 19:05 |
| minwoob_ | o/ | 19:05 |
| notmyname | so this is for the 4:30 slot on wednesday | 19:05 |
| notmyname | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-swift-summit-topics | 19:05 |
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| notmyname | there's the etherpad | 19:05 |
| notmyname | so what's the topic that needs to be discussed in the last work session on wednesday? | 19:05 |
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| notmyname | fast post? undelete? sysmeta? ec test results? | 19:06 |
| notmyname | I'm not sure what to put there. please help :-) | 19:06 |
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| gvernik | ec test results? | 19:07 |
| acoles | notmyname: we have time on friday for 'leftovers' correct? | 19:07 |
| notmyname | gvernik: we already have a fishbowl and a work session for EC stuff (overview and follow-on work). but several of us have been doing some tests locally and could share | 19:07 |
| notmyname | acoles: yes | 19:07 |
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| notmyname | gvernik: ie instead of on friday or during hallway conversations | 19:08 |
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| gvernik | i would love to hear test results on ec...don't care on which slot or day :) | 19:09 |
| notmyname | :-) | 19:09 |
| acoles | notmyname: i'd be happy to lead a working session on fast post but feel i have talked a lot about it at hackathon | 19:09 |
| notmyname | acoles: IIRC the summary was that there isn't a ton to talk about. more just need to actually type it in and review the code | 19:09 |
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| acoles | notmyname: its typed - modulo post EC conflicts, so yeah review would be great | 19:10 |
| notmyname | yeah, we could do that. fast-post code review | 19:11 |
| acoles | i hope to get the reviews back in shape before next week | 19:11 |
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| acoles | notmyname: so i am wondering if friday is best for that? | 19:11 |
| notmyname | what do the rest of you think? | 19:11 |
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| acoles | do we have symlinks scheduled in a session? | 19:11 |
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| notmyname | no | 19:12 |
| notmyname | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/173609/ | 19:12 |
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| ho | I think "Sync up on related policy change working sessionsType" is a good candidate. | 19:12 |
| notmyname | good grief. 5 +1s on there and nothing has landed?! ;-) | 19:12 |
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| notmyname | ho: that's not a bad idea. and it includes symlink talk | 19:14 |
| notmyname | (peluse is not here right now) | 19:14 |
| notmyname | acoles: what do you think? | 19:14 |
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| notmyname | and since acoles and ho are the only one's talking, then it looks like they get to set the topic ;-) | 19:15 |
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| mattoliverau | yeah, start with symlink and can push what we don't get to into friday | 19:15 |
| acoles | yea, agree, | 19:15 |
| jrichli | so, I am just gonna through this out there. I was wondering if you all were interested in talking about what had to be changed to fix SL issues https://www.reddit.com/r/IBM/comments/31e3rh/ibm_gets_called_out_for_massive_system_failure_by/ | 19:15 |
| ho | agree | 19:16 |
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| notmyname | ok "Sync up on related policy changes" is a good one | 19:16 |
| notmyname | jrichli: you should probably ask someone at IBM what they want to share :-) | 19:16 |
| jrichli | Alan would like to share, i think | 19:17 |
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| jrichli | I talked with him yesterday. but he thought all the schedule had been set. | 19:17 |
| notmyname | ah? well that could be interesting then | 19:17 |
| notmyname | acoles: mattoliverau: ho: what do you think? | 19:17 |
| notmyname | an "ops war story" | 19:17 |
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| * torgomatic likes war stories | 19:17 | |
| acoles | notmyname: agree, sync on policy changes for working session, fast-post for enthusiasts on friday | 19:18 |
| notmyname | acoles: instead of the softlayer ops story? | 19:18 |
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| acoles | ah, i answered the wrong question :) | 19:18 |
| notmyname | I'd prefer to hear from softlayer if they are willing to share. if not then do the other one | 19:18 |
| jrichli | ajiang will be on in a min if you wanna chat with him about a work session | 19:19 |
| notmyname | the other one == Sync up on related policy changes | 19:19 |
| acoles | could the SL story be shared during the ops session, will it need its won session? | 19:19 |
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| notmyname | and there is ajiang :-) | 19:19 |
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| ajiang | Hey | 19:19 |
| jrichli | you had told me that you might have some info to share on the SL issues, right? | 19:20 |
| notmyname | ajiang: current topic being discussed is if softlayer shares about their recent swift issues and solutions, and if that should be a whole session or not | 19:20 |
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| ajiang | Janie told me there may be a chance for me to talk about the experience of SL swift cluster latency issue. | 19:20 |
| notmyname | ajiang: we've got one currently unscheduled working session | 19:20 |
| jrichli | ajiang: it would be wed at 4:30 for 40 mins | 19:21 |
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| notmyname | ajiang: so first question for you: are you willing/able to share? | 19:21 |
| ajiang | @notmyname, that sounds good. The topic I would like to cover will be the analysis work I have done with Replicator/object server load and latency | 19:22 |
| notmyname | acoles: do you not think it should be its own thing? | 19:22 |
| ajiang | I think there are rooms for improvement on the object server/replicator i/o subsystem. | 19:22 |
| notmyname | that sounds interesting to me | 19:22 |
| acoles | i just wasn't sure how much content there would be but its sounding like there's plenty | 19:22 |
| notmyname | ajiang: to put it mildly ;-) | 19:22 |
| notmyname | cool. anyone opposed to that topic? | 19:23 |
| mattoliverau | sounds like SL will be our last working session :) | 19:23 |
| acoles | notmyname: +1 at summit i would favor things that are hard to do on gerrit ;) | 19:23 |
| notmyname | :-) | 19:23 |
| ho | sounds good | 19:23 |
| ajiang | Based on the data I have, i can cover that 40 minutes with this one topic | 19:23 |
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| notmyname | ok. http://libertydesignsummit.sched.org/event/51d22ad3da43db0607e05a6c58cd1c14#.VVOk-GDFrxI | 19:24 |
| notmyname | ajiang: thanks | 19:24 |
| ajiang | thank you guys | 19:24 |
| jrichli | +1 | 19:24 |
| notmyname | ajiang: please find me online or email me@not.mn for a more complete description | 19:25 |
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| notmyname | ok, let's move on in the meeting then | 19:25 |
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| notmyname | is there anything that anyone needs to get ready for the summit? | 19:25 |
| notmyname | please don't hesitate to ask | 19:25 |
| notmyname | I know for some it's your first OpenStack Summit. for others it's your 12th | 19:26 |
| scotticus | my 4th. :) | 19:26 |
| notmyname | any logisitics issues, any scheduling, any "I'm giving a talk and don't know what to do". please feel free to ask | 19:26 |
| scotticus | when presenting...what hookups should we anticipate there being? | 19:27 |
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| scotticus | HDMI? DVI? VGA? | 19:27 |
| scotticus | :) | 19:27 |
| scotticus | asking the hard questions | 19:27 |
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| notmyname | scotticus: generally VGA and maybe HDMI. normally I either use HDMI or a VGA adaptor | 19:27 |
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| notmyname | scotticus: also, the screens are normally 16:9 aspect ratio | 19:28 |
| scotticus | k, trying to think if i should leave my laptop at home :) | 19:28 |
| notmyname | here's a fun trivia fact: this coming Sunday, May 17, is Swift's 5th birthday! | 19:28 |
| mattoliverau | yay | 19:28 |
| notmyname | 5 years ago Swift first went into prod at rackspace | 19:28 |
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| notmyname | on sunday night in vancouver, we (swiftstack) are hosting a small get-together of swift contributors and operators. | 19:29 |
| notmyname | https://www.eventbrite.com/e/swift-birthday-bash-tickets-16964790144 | 19:29 |
| notmyname | I set up 40 tickets yesterday, and it looks like there are 8 left now :-) | 19:29 |
| notmyname | so feel free to come. should be small and casual and fun seeing other swift people | 19:30 |
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| notmyname | (but please rsvp if you are coming. I want the right amount of food, and the venue isn't terribly big) | 19:30 |
| kota_ | great :) | 19:30 |
| mahatic | nice! | 19:30 |
| notmyname | anything else from anyone on the summit next week? | 19:30 |
| mattoliverau | Got my ticket, I'll be the jetlagged Aussie in the corner :P | 19:31 |
| mahatic | :D | 19:31 |
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| notmyname | this is a nice summit because it's in my same timezone! | 19:31 |
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| notmyname | ok, if nothing else on the summit... | 19:31 |
| mattoliverau | Next one (japan) would be better for me :) | 19:32 |
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| notmyname | #topic open discussion | 19:32 |
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| notmyname | one thing I want to start being better about (after summit/summit prep) is how many specs we have | 19:32 |
| kota_ | mattoliverau: exactly | 19:32 |
| notmyname | seems that we've got a lot out there, some with a lot of reviews | 19:32 |
| notmyname | remember that specs are living documents. if you agree on something, land it! then edit it later as needed | 19:33 |
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| notmyname | specs are not documentation | 19:33 |
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| notmyname | I'll get back on the starred/priority reviews again after the summit, and I have some ideas on how to tackle some of the bug triage | 19:34 |
| notmyname | also, because of the summit, no meeting next week | 19:34 |
| clayg | "TBD" and "This should work" and "Also need to consider XYZ" are better than to much design up front | 19:34 |
| notmyname | clayg: +1 | 19:34 |
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| notmyname | so what else is on your mind? what else do you want to bring up this week? | 19:35 |
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| mattoliverau | I think we need to make the landed specs more visible, as atm the specs in review stand out. once that have landed aren't.. but that might just be me, and always having the dash boards up. | 19:35 |
| notmyname | http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/swift-specs/ | 19:35 |
| notmyname | there's only 2 there (at the top) | 19:36 |
| notmyname | 12 on the dashboard | 19:36 |
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| notmyname | (that should be reversed IMO) | 19:36 |
| acoles | is there any way to auto link to a spec from a code review (like Reletaed-Spec) - i haven't found it? that would be useful | 19:36 |
| notmyname | acoles: good question. I don't know | 19:36 |
| acoles | Related-Spec would be even better ;) | 19:36 |
| notmyname | I'll ask the gerrit experts (ie -infra) | 19:37 |
| acoles | and then - if the dashboard could group code reviews with related specs, that would be cool | 19:37 |
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| acoles | notmyname: thx | 19:37 |
| notmyname | acoles: and also make me lunch. and a pony! | 19:38 |
| mattoliverau | want to add the specs link to the swift topic, or would that make it too long. | 19:38 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: I can do that. (also you can too, actually) | 19:38 |
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| acoles | notmyname: awww, we should have used the last working session for that ;) | 19:38 |
| * mattoliverau needs to learn this irc thing :P | 19:38 | |
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| notmyname | acoles: I've wanted a unified code review + ideas + bug tool. haven't found one | 19:39 |
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| notmyname | anything else to bring up? | 19:39 |
| acoles | notmyname: post-its? | 19:39 |
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| notmyname | ok, if nothing else, then let's call it | 19:40 |
| notmyname | thanks for coming this week. I'm looking forward to seeing you in Canada! | 19:40 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 19:41 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 13 19:41:04 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:41 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-05-13-19.00.html | 19:41 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-05-13-19.00.txt | 19:41 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-05-13-19.00.log.html | 19:41 |
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| sarob | #startmeeting product-team | 23:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 13 23:00:35 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 23:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 23:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'product_team' | 23:00 |
| sarob | roll call | 23:00 |
| barrett | Carol here | 23:00 |
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| Shamail | Good afternoon all. Last meeting before our F2F! | 23:01 |
| sarob | hello hello | 23:01 |
| rolandchan | Morning all! | 23:01 |
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| sarob | agenda | 23:02 |
| sarob | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team | 23:02 |
| sarob | #topic xcross project review review | 23:02 |
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| Shamail | Lol | 23:03 |
| sarob | take it away barrett | 23:03 |
| barrett | OK | 23:03 |
| barrett | We had a slot on the cross-project agenda yesterday | 23:03 |
| barrett | Shamail kicked off the session, outlined the source of the content and how it was being used | 23:03 |
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| barrett | Asked the PTLs to review the content and put comments in the doc | 23:03 |
| barrett | #link § https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1ecgIygeGb5RJT4ASjyDTSV_TGKc2d-8YjFc3D2KhcSg/edit#slide=id.gafcf66499_0_42 | 23:04 |
| barrett | o Lots of good discussion, more than the previous session | 23:04 |
| barrett | Think that's a good sign! Discussion on timing for establishing priorities &Â design summit timing | 23:04 |
| barrett | Discussion around Developer Roadmap vs Operators Roadmap | 23:04 |
| barrett | PTLs don’t want to me middle man trying to define priorities and align developers - happy to have help there | 23:05 |
| barrett | The PTLs are using the term SIG to refer to Win The Enterprise, Telco and other Work Groups. They see value in having us consolidate the input and do 1st level analysis on commonality, cross project, where specs are needed, etc. | 23:05 |
| barrett | Thierry was supportive and sees eventually the content he’s publishing on what’s in flight for a release being replaced by roadmap | 23:05 |
| Shamail | SIG = Special Interest Group | 23:05 |
| sarob | barrett: cool | 23:05 |
| barrett | Shamail - Thanks | 23:06 |
| Shamail | Log from the xproj session | 23:06 |
| Shamail | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/crossproject/2015/crossproject.2015-05-12-21.03.log.html | 23:06 |
| barrett | They gave us helpful links where we could get info to cross-check what we have on the roadmap | 23:06 |
| barrett | The next steps are: | 23:06 |
| barrett | Get feedback from Operators and Sigs at the Summit | 23:06 |
| barrett | Develop work flow and timeline for gathering feedback | 23:07 |
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| barrett | Ideally, draft a process for setting priorities | 23:07 |
| barrett | Then bring that back to a cross-project meeting for another round of discussion and feedback | 23:07 |
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| Rockyg | o/ | 23:07 |
| barrett | We did mention that the Board is looking to us to produce a roadmap for Tokyo | 23:07 |
| sarob | Rockyg: \o | 23:08 |
| barrett | Hi Rocky | 23:08 |
| Rockyg | hey all! | 23:08 |
| Rockyg | Tokyo will be interesting | 23:08 |
| sarob | good breakdown in the slides | 23:08 |
| barrett | Think that's all from the meeting. Shamail - Anything to add? | 23:08 |
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| Shamail | I think that captures it, a few points that stuck out to me: | 23:08 |
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| Shamail | Disclaimer is needed since teams feel uncomfortable using the term roadmap since it feels like commitment | 23:09 |
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| Shamail | We still need to work on separating our work from just aggregating to also how we will help engineering wise | 23:09 |
| Shamail | But all in all, positive meeting. Seems like people think we are on the right track | 23:10 |
| sarob | very exciting | 23:10 |
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| sarob | now that we have a start | 23:10 |
| Shamail | barrett: did anyone commit to being at the roadmap session? I forget | 23:11 |
| sarob | it should attract more dev mgr, and product people | 23:11 |
| Shamail | sarob: +1 | 23:11 |
| barrett | Shamail - Yes, the Docs PTL committed and I've gotten a couple of others in email | 23:11 |
| barrett | Ideally we'll have at least 3 | 23:11 |
| Shamail | Awesome! | 23:11 |
| sarob | thats a start | 23:11 |
| barrett | Shamail +1 | 23:11 |
| Rockyg | I think Doug Hellmann was interested, but can't remember if he was double booked. Thierry and Sean Dague are double booked. | 23:12 |
| barrett | Rockyg: I don't recall either. Can someone reach out to Doug? | 23:12 |
| sarob | yeah, monday is bad | 23:13 |
| sarob | lots of overlap | 23:13 |
| Shamail | Monday + Tuesday are bad. :) | 23:13 |
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| barrett | it'll be a long week! | 23:13 |
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| Rockyg | I will. Doug, Anne and the Horizon guys are *very* interested because they have to predict all the projects as they provide services to them | 23:14 |
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| Shamail | And Doug could use some Dev love on Oslo | 23:14 |
| sarob | I am thinking of being 40 late to the first product working session | 23:14 |
| sarob | because i supposed to be part of the defcore panel | 23:15 |
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| Shamail | sarob: we might miss each other. I have to miss the cross project session for PWG. | 23:15 |
| sarob | pwg? | 23:15 |
| barrett | Sarob: I can kick off the session. I passed on the DefCore panel to make this session. | 23:16 |
| Shamail | Didn't want to type Product WG | 23:16 |
| Shamail | I'll help too Barrett... I cleared my conflict for the first session. | 23:16 |
| sarob | oh | 23:16 |
| sarob | barrett: im on the panel, so i figure i should show up | 23:17 |
| barrett | Shamail: Great! | 23:17 |
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| sarob | thanks people | 23:18 |
| Shamail | This is a goof segue to a topic we need to discuss later in the agenda. Interest in additional "unofficial" meet-up later in the week. We can discuss that when the time comes. | 23:18 |
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| sarob | we will be starting off focusing on the data collected anyway, right? | 23:18 |
| barrett | Sarob: Yes | 23:18 |
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| sarob | #topic session content and speaker plans | 23:19 |
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| sarob | segue to this instead? | 23:19 |
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| Shamail | The content review is well under way and I will actually be working on the the polished deck tonight. We have a review scheduled for tomorrow at 10A PT. (Mscohen will send link). | 23:19 |
| Shamail | I will also be gluing together slides for session #2 (which has changed objectives again) | 23:20 |
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| sarob | shamail: for which session | 23:20 |
| sarob | 11:15 monday | 23:20 |
| Shamail | The first comment was for Session 1 (Monday 11;15) | 23:20 |
| sarob | or 11:15 tuesday | 23:20 |
| sarob | okay | 23:20 |
| Shamail | Second comment was the Tuesday session | 23:20 |
| sarob | i cant make the first talk | 23:21 |
| Shamail | We normally end up reviewing and discussing both sessions in the meetings | 23:21 |
| sarob | im triple booked | 23:21 |
| Shamail | All good | 23:21 |
| Shamail | We need you for the second one though | 23:21 |
| sarob | im hooked on that one | 23:21 |
| Shamail | I will send a link out to read only copies of the polished decks later tonight to the WG ML | 23:21 |
| Shamail | The other thing we need to touch on is presenters | 23:22 |
| Shamail | But before we go there... I have a question regarding session 2 content... | 23:22 |
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| Shamail | Would it be okay/appropriate to do a logo slide of all the organizations that came to our mid cycle? This will show the diversity in our team and also the fact that we might be able to help with resources. | 23:23 |
| Shamail | Thoughts? Good idea/bad idea? | 23:23 |
| Shamail | i can pull the info from our etherpad | 23:23 |
| sarob | im good with that | 23:23 |
| barrett | Shamail - I like it! The PTLs asked what companies were involved. I think others will have that question too. Think proactively addressing this is good. | 23:24 |
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| Shamail | Great, I'll include it. | 23:24 |
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| sarob | so you have a deck going for the second product talk? | 23:24 |
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| Shamail | As for speakers, we think that we should try to maybe target 3 per session (6 unique in all) | 23:24 |
| Shamail | Yes, partially.... It is the non roadmap content from the deck mscohen built originally for session 1 before we pulled them apart | 23:25 |
| sarob | we discussed focusing on the xproject work, irght | 23:25 |
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| sarob | first one on data collected | 23:25 |
| barrett | Sarob: Yes..work flow, deliverable, how to set priorities | 23:25 |
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| Shamail | We did but we are using session 2 as an overview of the WG and its alignment across the community | 23:26 |
| sarob | reed, zehicle, allison have kinda dropped back lately | 23:26 |
| Shamail | We will highlight xproj through workflow but also need to address what the need was, what we need to do, etc. | 23:26 |
| * reed is swamped | 23:26 | |
| sarob | anyone ping them lately on if they are planning on joining? | 23:26 |
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| Shamail | Yes sarob, Allison did join our call last week | 23:26 |
| reed | i read things :) | 23:27 |
| barrett | Sarob: Allisson joined a work meeting last week, she was fine with changin gspeakers | 23:27 |
| Shamail | barrett: can you give an update from the call? I'm mobile. :-) | 23:27 |
| sarob | barrett: ah, cool | 23:27 |
| barrett | Shamail - Need to find my notes | 23:27 |
| reed | and I'm fine with changing speakers too | 23:27 |
| Shamail | Thanks reed | 23:27 |
| reed | i'm very glad to see the uptake in leadership | 23:27 |
| reed | thanks Shamail, barrett | 23:27 |
| barrett | reed: Happy to help out | 23:28 |
| Shamail | I would still be very interested if the 4 of you could at least get on the stage for 3-5 min and give an overview of what lead to the creation | 23:28 |
| Shamail | Time permitting after content is built :P | 23:28 |
| sarob | okay, we should submit changes to claire, laurensell? | 23:28 |
| reed | of course, I'm happy to help | 23:28 |
| reed | sarob, there is a more appropriate alias | 23:29 |
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| sarob | whats about zehicle, anyone ping him? | 23:29 |
| reed | speakersupport@openstack.org | 23:29 |
| Shamail | As far as speakers, I talked to mscohen since he led the PTL feedback collection process... He recommended Scott, himself, and I as a possible option for session 1 | 23:29 |
| barrett | Update from Monday's call - We reviewed the draft content that was used in Tuesday's Cross-project meeting | 23:29 |
| Shamail | I can ask awhile | 23:29 |
| Shamail | zehicle: | 23:29 |
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| Shamail | I would like the team to discuss their thoughts on speakers for session 1 too. (After update from the call w/ Allison) | 23:30 |
| barrett | Identified needed content, divided the work amongst the attendees and then discussed needing to get a plan of attack for the speaking sessions | 23:30 |
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| barrett | I'd like to volunteer as a speaker in the 2nd session... | 23:31 |
| sarob | cool | 23:31 |
| Shamail | For session 2, the thought was sarob, barrett, plus one more. | 23:31 |
| Shamail | barrett: +1 | 23:31 |
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| sarob | dvorkin? | 23:31 |
| Rockyg | He's busy, but I'll ping. I know he's double booked for some things | 23:31 |
| Shamail | Both session speakers are up for debate... Thoughts? | 23:31 |
| sarob | thx reed | 23:32 |
| reed | np | 23:32 |
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| Shamail | Should we take up this over ML or can we lock in? | 23:32 |
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| sarob | im good still with the second session speaking | 23:32 |
| Shamail | Could we do 4/4 or is 3/3 ideal? | 23:33 |
| barrett | I think we should go for breadth of companies in the speaker roles - reinforce the community effort | 23:33 |
| sarob | shamail: whats that mean | 23:33 |
| barrett | I think 3 is actually better - 4 starts to get mob-ish. :) | 23:33 |
| Shamail | 4 speakers each versus 3 | 23:33 |
| * sarob is 5by5 | 23:33 | |
| sarob | oh | 23:33 |
| * sarob thinks mobs are bad | 23:34 | |
| Shamail | Okay, 3 each. | 23:34 |
| Shamail | Are we good with the suggestions for session 1 or do we want to modify? | 23:34 |
| sarob | arkady? | 23:34 |
| sarob | for second session | 23:34 |
| Shamail | One session at a time :) | 23:34 |
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| sarob | sniff | 23:34 |
| Shamail | :P | 23:35 |
| barrett | I'm good with the plan for Session 1 | 23:35 |
| Rockyg | what's the time on the 2nd session? | 23:35 |
| Shamail | Okay, if anyone feels strongly another way.. Please let me know. | 23:35 |
| Shamail | Tuesday 11:15 session now... | 23:35 |
| Shamail | (That's session #2) | 23:36 |
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| Shamail | I +1 sarob and barrett | 23:36 |
| Shamail | Now we can discuss candidates for the session plus nominate someone from slot 3 | 23:36 |
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| barrett | Shamail: What do you mean candidates | 23:36 |
| barrett | ? | 23:36 |
| Shamail | You mentioned arkady earlier... | 23:36 |
| sarob | yup | 23:37 |
| Shamail | Who else should speak | 23:37 |
| Shamail | That's what I meant by candidate :) | 23:37 |
| Shamail | Do we know his availability? | 23:37 |
| sarob | nope | 23:37 |
| barrett | I don't have a strong preference on the 3rd slot - other than a unique company | 23:38 |
| Rockyg | I think zehicle should be available for a short bit for session 2. there's a defcore ops session in conflict, though. | 23:38 |
| Rockyg | o/ | 23:38 |
| Shamail | Are you going to miss it to Rockyg? | 23:38 |
| Shamail | Too* | 23:38 |
| Rockyg | where is mscohen from. No, I'll be therei | 23:38 |
| Shamail | Red Hat | 23:38 |
| sarob | mscohen is cisco | 23:39 |
| Rockyg | We've got Cisco, RedHat, Dell, Huawei | 23:39 |
| Rockyg | EMC | 23:39 |
| Rockyg | (already represented, along with IBM | 23:39 |
| Shamail | Boo | 23:39 |
| Shamail | Cisco | 23:39 |
| Shamail | Sorry | 23:39 |
| Shamail | Noo* | 23:39 |
| Shamail | I was wrong | 23:39 |
| Shamail | I had to double check, my fault. | 23:39 |
| Rockyg | I expect you to slap your own hands, Shamail | 23:40 |
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| * Shamail slaps other hand | 23:40 | |
| Rockyg | Except sarob is no longer EMC. | 23:40 |
| Rockyg | He's Akanda | 23:40 |
| sarob | AKANDA | 23:40 |
| Shamail | yep | 23:40 |
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| sarob | i was vmware | 23:41 |
| sarob | actually | 23:41 |
| Shamail | ^ | 23:41 |
| Rockyg | sarob, is it an acronym? | 23:41 |
| sarob | for nicira, yes | 23:41 |
| barrett | sarob: Just a part of the Federation. :) | 23:41 |
| Shamail | :) | 23:41 |
| Rockyg | So, that means Shamail could be there for EMC ;-) as if he's not in enough sessions.... | 23:42 |
| sarob | so did we decide something? | 23:42 |
| sarob | i got lost in the middle | 23:42 |
| Rockyg | no decisions | 23:42 |
| barrett | Do we want to circulate the plan on ML and ask for volunteer for 3rd speaking spot in session 2? | 23:42 |
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| sarob | shirely | 23:42 |
| sarob | it sounds like a plan | 23:43 |
| Shamail | lol I wouldn't mind but uniqueness would be good | 23:43 |
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| Shamail | I can plug EMC participation in the first session | 23:43 |
| Shamail | 6 unique companies would be ideal | 23:43 |
| sarob | sure | 23:43 |
| barrett | Shamail do you want to include this info in the email you'll send out with the links to the content? | 23:43 |
| Rockyg | I'm willing, but I think there may be better ones for this talk. | 23:43 |
| Shamail | barrett: +1 | 23:43 |
| sarob | barrett: +1 | 23:44 |
| Shamail | Yes. I'll ask for a volunteer and state the only criteria (unique org) | 23:44 |
| barrett | Shamail +1 | 23:44 |
| sarob | move on to liberty planning? | 23:44 |
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| Rockyg | +1 | 23:44 |
| sarob | gots 16 min | 23:44 |
| Shamail | Rockyg: if you want to do it, go ahead. | 23:44 |
| Shamail | We're all learning together | 23:44 |
| barrett | Shamail - And knowledgeable on the state of the work...or willing to spend time coming up to speed if needed | 23:44 |
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| Shamail | Good point barrett | 23:45 |
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| Rockyg | Be happy to unless you find someone better. | 23:45 |
| sarob | #action shamail email ML on session content and request additional speakers | 23:45 |
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| barrett | We're going to review content in a call tomorrow AM. Do we want to talk about having a Work Group meeting on Thursday? Gather our learnings and define work plan for next couple of months? | 23:46 |
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| barrett | Jsut to clarify: Thursday 5/21 | 23:46 |
| Shamail | barrett: +1 but morning is bad. | 23:46 |
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| sarob | barrett: you jumped topics | 23:47 |
| Shamail | I can provide a room that can fit at least 12-15 | 23:47 |
| barrett | How about 4:00 - 6:00? | 23:47 |
| sarob | barrett: yes that time sounds good | 23:47 |
| barrett | Anyone have an issue with that? | 23:47 |
| Shamail | barrett: +1 | 23:47 |
| Shamail | That works for me | 23:47 |
| sarob | works for me | 23:47 |
| Shamail | I'll block room | 23:47 |
| barrett | Going, going, gone! | 23:47 |
| barrett | Shamail: Thanks | 23:48 |
| Rockyg | sarob: no congress? | 23:48 |
| sarob | eh | 23:48 |
| Rockyg | Thursday 5pm | 23:48 |
| sarob | i can only focus on one major project at a time | 23:48 |
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| sarob | are we a go for 21may 16:00-18:00? | 23:49 |
| Rockyg | I may need to duck in and out. Lots of liberty strategizing then | 23:49 |
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| barrett | sarob: +1 | 23:49 |
| sarob | i wrote it down so its final :) | 23:49 |
| Shamail | Since Liberty Planning is next topic... Side bar: Over/Under on someone using "Give me Liberty, or Give me death?" In a marketing pitch in Tokyo. | 23:50 |
| Shamail | sarob: +1 | 23:50 |
| sarob | #topic liberty planning at the summit | 23:50 |
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| sarob | bham | 23:50 |
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| sarob | shamail: dressed as who? | 23:50 |
| Shamail | That's the wild card. | 23:51 |
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| sarob | we have a rug | 23:51 |
| sarob | so its hard to judge | 23:51 |
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| sarob | 9 min | 23:51 |
| sarob | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Product_Work_Group_Vancouver_Work_Session | 23:52 |
| Rockyg | I think death is a little harsh | 23:52 |
| sarob | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ProductWG_xProjectSession | 23:52 |
| sarob | rockyg: would encourage timely migration | 23:52 |
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| barrett | Not sure what we need to cover on Liberty. Think we need to have folks at the User Committee meeting on on 5/21 from 11:00 - 12:30. | 23:53 |
| barrett | I've got a conflict | 23:54 |
| sarob | so is a charter really that important? | 23:54 |
| barrett | sarob: ? | 23:54 |
| sarob | 16:00 = 11:00 ? | 23:54 |
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| sarob | barrett: im reading the first design session etherpad | 23:55 |
| Rockyg | ?? | 23:55 |
| barrett | sarob: ? | 23:55 |
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| Shamail | I'll make the ops summit user committee session but not this one. :( | 23:55 |
| * sarob questions all these questions | 23:55 | |
| sarob | i guess i can braindump into the etherpad | 23:56 |
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| * Rockyg questions sarob's 16:00=11:00 | 23:56 | |
| barrett | Our cross-project session is from 3:40 - 4:40; Just after our work group meeting that goes from 2:00 - 3:30. Is that what you're looking for? | 23:57 |
| sarob | barrett mentioned we had conflict with user committee 11am | 23:57 |
| Rockyg | I think Shamail and I said we'd make that uc meeting | 23:57 |
| Shamail | We do need to become focused so a charter would help us do that. Although I like objectives and deliverables more | 23:57 |
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| barrett | Sarob: I have conflict with the User Committee, not the group | 23:57 |
| Shamail | I'll make the one on Tuesday at 3P PT | 23:57 |
| barrett | Rocky +1 | 23:57 |
| sarob | barrett: okay, im confused but its been a long time | 23:57 |
| sarob | day | 23:58 |
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| barrett | On the Charter question, I do think it's important to have it. | 23:58 |
| sarob | are we having a cleanup project session 21may 16:00? | 23:58 |
| Shamail | Are we talking about the UC on Thursday or Tuesdayv | 23:58 |
| barrett | sarob: Yes | 23:58 |
| Shamail | sarob: yes | 23:58 |
| sarob | barrett: whew | 23:58 |
| sarob | okay, back to the other thing | 23:59 |
| Shamail | We are definitely having it... I'm finding out when we have meeting rooms until though | 23:59 |
| sarob | we can comment on etherpad post mtg, pre design session | 23:59 |
| Shamail | I'll let you know asap if the room falls through (unlikely) | 23:59 |
| sarob | shamail: thx | 23:59 |
| sarob | and we are done | 23:59 |
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| sarob | last word? | 23:59 |
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