Thursday, 2015-05-14

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barrettShamail: I have conflicts with both UC sessions00:00
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sarobShamail: well said00:00
ShamailGot it barrett, Rockyg and I will be at one of the sessions at least00:00
ShamailSee everyone in Vancouver!!!00:00
sarobcheers!00:01
barrettLooking forward to it!00:01
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RockygHuzzah!00:01
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johnthetubaguy#startmeeting nova14:00
openstackMeeting started Thu May 14 14:00:31 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'nova'14:00
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johnthetubaguygood <insert time of day> to you all14:00
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johnthetubaguy#topic liberty release status14:01
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gilliardHello14:01
johnthetubaguyso we are pushing forward with the spec reviews14:01
johnthetubaguyhoping to break the back of those before the summit14:01
johnthetubaguyso those with real issues merging can get a slot during the unconference14:02
johnthetubaguyanyways, we have a bp to talk about14:02
johnthetubaguy#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/memory-bw14:02
alex_xuo/14:02
johnthetubaguyits adding an extra metric to the existing metric system14:02
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johnthetubaguyit doesn't feel like it needs a spec, in the same way as a scheduler weigher / filter14:03
johnthetubaguy…but do we want more of this kind of thing in tree?14:03
johnthetubaguythoughts?14:03
dansmithis this a static value?14:03
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* jaypipes looks...14:03
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johnthetubaguydansmith: I get the idea they poll for it14:03
dansmiththis is utilization I guess14:03
johnthetubaguyyeah14:03
dansmithis it point in time or averaged?14:04
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dansmithif it's the former, it's completely useless to us, no?14:04
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n0anoif the HW provides the info the filter can return either point in time or average so I hope the BP is usgin avg14:04
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sudiptodansmith, Hi, it's averaged14:05
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dansmithokay14:05
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johnthetubaguysounds like any more details are best reviewed in code? are we OK with the concept?14:05
jaypipessudipto: this would be adding another value to the compute_node['stats'] thing, yes?14:05
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jaypipessudipto: within the RT...14:05
dansmithjohnthetubaguy: well, are the units in percent or bps or what?14:05
dansmithjohnthetubaguy: would want to make sure that this is generic enough14:06
sudiptojaypipes, no, this is not tracked by RT...14:06
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n0anosudipto, really, why is that?14:06
sudiptojaypipes, in the metrics column like the cpu one (as a monitor)14:06
jaypipessudipto: ? in the spec it says: "Extend the resource tracker framework to implement a optional6514:06
jaypipesmonitor for Memory B/W utilization, much in line with the CPU monitor."14:06
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johnthetubaguyso question, are there enough questions that we move this to a spec review?14:07
dansmithjohnthetubaguy: I think maybe a spec would be good :)14:07
alaski+114:07
jaypipesjohnthetubaguy: yes.14:07
n0ano+114:07
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jaypipesjohnthetubaguy: especially since there's already a spec :)14:07
dansmithyeah14:07
jaypipes#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/180983/2/specs/liberty/approved/mem-bw.rst14:07
sudiptojaypipes, sorry my bad, guess i need to correct it, initially i thought it could be done via RT, but it sounded like it's best fit just as a monitor14:07
johnthetubaguycools14:07
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johnthetubaguylets take this debate to the spec review14:07
jaypipesthx14:08
johnthetubaguy#info https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/memory-bw will go to a spec review, too much to talk about for the meeting14:08
johnthetubaguy#topic Liberty Design Summit14:08
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johnthetubaguy#info Midcycle is: Tuesday 21st July till Thursday 23rd July in Rochester, MN (at IBM)14:09
johnthetubaguyso the first thing is kinda unrelated14:09
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johnthetubaguyI think the midcylce is official now14:09
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johnthetubaguythe schedule for the design summit has now been "soft" frozen14:09
johnthetubaguy#link http://libertydesignsummit.sched.org/type/design+summit/Nova14:09
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johnthetubaguyif there are issues with whats written for your session, let me know and I can try get last moment changes14:10
johnthetubaguybut it would be good to avoid those14:10
johnthetubaguy#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Design_Summit/Liberty/Etherpads#Nova14:10
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johnthetubaguyI created an etherpad with a rough agenda for every session14:10
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johnthetubaguy… that took way too long, so the ones at the end were quite slap dash14:10
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jaypipeslol14:11
johnthetubaguybut anyways, hopefully that helps, and I think we have leaders confirmed for most sessions now14:11
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johnthetubaguyany questions on the summit?14:11
mriedemhttp://libertydesignsummit.sched.org/event/e57451a7a7d69f9e2626fa92862b119e#.VVStNvlVhBc14:12
mriedemha14:12
mriedem40 minutes?14:12
mriedem3 terribad topics14:12
johnthetubaguymriedem: I think they all it time boxing14:12
mriedemfor the price of 114:12
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johnthetubaguy:)14:12
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dansmithyeah, that's going to be awesome14:12
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sdague"it's a trap!"14:13
johnthetubaguyyeah, if someone has a concrete plan for the resource tracker to present, that would be cool…14:13
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johnthetubaguycool, so hopefully see lots of you there14:13
johnthetubaguy#topic Czar and CPL Refresh14:14
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johnthetubaguyso this is a repeat from last week14:14
johnthetubaguymostly to say, feel free to catch up with me if you want to help out with things14:14
johnthetubaguya few folks have reached out, and thank you for that!14:14
* jaypipes notes that Robert Graham Clark's profile pic has him with some sort of M-16 rifle...14:14
johnthetubaguy#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/BugTriage14:14
johnthetubaguythere are also bug tag owners if you fancy something around stability ^14:15
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johnthetubaguy#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova#People14:15
johnthetubaguyanyways advert break over…14:15
johnthetubaguy#topic Bugs14:15
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johnthetubaguy#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/145029114:16
openstackLaunchpad bug 1450291 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "nova-manage db sync not committing to database" [High,Incomplete]14:16
johnthetubaguyoh, that was me who added that14:16
sdagueso... I kind of feel like on the bug front, until we get a burndown dashboard that includes "by tag" it's hard to motivate. Burn down dashboards are nice from sense of accomplishment though.14:16
johnthetubaguyI guess we fixed that14:16
johnthetubaguysdague: thats a good idea14:16
johnthetubaguy#help we could do with per bug tag burn down charts14:17
jlvillalFrom an Ironic related perspective.  mrda and I have setup this.  https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova-Ironic  and  https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova-Ironic-Bugs14:17
mriedemdansmith: cherry pick for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182787/ ?14:17
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mriedemjlvillal: so someone has to manually update that daily?14:18
dansmithjohnthetubaguy: that bug is mis-titled14:18
johnthetubaguyjlvillal: one request, can you maybe recommend what is ready for review on here? https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-priorities-tracking14:18
jlvillalmriedem, We were going to do weekly bug scrubs.  mrda and I.  Open to better suggestions14:18
jlvillaljohnthetubaguy, Will do14:19
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johnthetubaguyjlvillal: it sounds like you are a bug tag owner, could you update yourselves here please? https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/BugTriage14:19
mriedemwhatever happened to tjones' page?14:19
mriedemis that in infra now?14:19
sdaguedims has a version of it up somewhere I think14:19
jlvillaljohnthetubaguy, Will do14:20
johnthetubaguymriedem: I couldn't find the link actually, does anyone have that?14:20
mriedemsdague: is it useful? i'd have to think that's better than a wiki14:20
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johnthetubaguy#action johnthetubaguy to talk to dims about getting the bug web page link back up and running14:20
sdagueso, non of these tools really did the by-tag pivot14:20
sdagueso it's just the whole pile14:20
johnthetubaguysdague: right, I like the idea of looking at the smaller pile, that makes sense14:20
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sdaguethe whole pile is usually too big to tackle14:20
mriedemwe could add a tag filter to tjones' page though probably, right?14:21
mriedemif the LP API provides tag filtering14:21
johnthetubaguydansmith: can we update the title, did we work out what it was?14:21
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dansmithjohnthetubaguy: it's definitely wrong either way because we know it's committing the changes14:22
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mriedemjohnthetubaguy: something about sqlite14:22
dansmithjohnthetubaguy: and we know it's just a warning, and we know it's oslo and config related :)14:22
johnthetubaguydansmith: agreed14:22
sdaguemriedem: there are a lot of iffs there14:22
sdaguemriedem: anyway, can take it offline14:22
dansmithand we know it seems to only be with ubuntu package-based upgrades ;)14:23
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johnthetubaguyhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/145029114:23
openstackLaunchpad bug 1450291 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "nova-manage db sync seems like its pointing at the wrong database for some people" [High,Incomplete]14:23
johnthetubaguyso I changed it14:23
johnthetubaguyyeah, any other bugs people want to raise14:23
johnthetubaguysdague: did we sort out that python-novaclient patch?14:23
mriedemit's here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182966/14:23
sdagueso there is current debate on where the config file should exist for people to find it14:24
sdaguewhich is the -1s14:24
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sdagueso *shrug*14:25
johnthetubaguysdague: add it to a top level function test config folder maybe?14:25
johnthetubaguyanyways, more debate on the review14:25
johnthetubaguylets keep moving14:25
sdaguejohnthetubaguy: yeh, that's what jaypipes wants, I would argue that if you can't run a tox command without doing a thing14:26
sdaguethat thing should be in the top folder14:26
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cfriesenls14:26
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jaypipeslike I said, I'm not strong-willed about it...14:26
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sdaguejaypipes: you are -1, that's some will :)14:26
johnthetubaguysdague: gotcha, I am certainly used to running tox at the top14:26
johnthetubaguy#topic Review stats14:26
jaypipessdague: it's OK to disagree and still be friends :)14:26
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dansmithjaypipes: I disagree14:27
johnthetubaguyI vote I drop this topic when there are no items, I forgot to do that14:27
jaypipesI knew dansmith would say that.14:27
* dansmith stopped reading at "it's okay to disagree"14:27
johnthetubaguy#topic Open discussion14:27
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johnthetubaguyso we agreed to not dis-agreed about agreeing right?14:28
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johnthetubaguyOK, so I don't have anything sensible on the agenda14:28
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johnthetubaguywe had a good ML debate on images in specs14:28
johnthetubaguyI think we agreed to try non-ascii art things that are not bitmaps14:28
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johnthetubaguywhere that makes sense14:28
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johnthetubaguyany comments? or other topics from folks?14:29
johnthetubaguy… oh, clearly we are skipping next weeks meeting14:29
johnthetubaguydo we want the next meeting at this time, to keep the pattern the same, so May 28th 2015 1400 UTC14:29
johnthetubaguy?14:29
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mriedemyes14:30
johnthetubaguy#info next meeting May 28th 2015 1400 UTC14:30
mriedemsome of us use calendar reminders14:30
sdaguekeep the pattern, otherwise, things get confusing14:30
cfriesenagreed14:30
sdaguemriedem: ++14:30
dansmithyes14:30
johnthetubaguymriedem: exactly my thinking14:30
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johnthetubaguycool, save journey for all those folks who have a journey to the summit14:31
johnthetubaguys/safe/save/14:31
johnthetubaguyoops14:31
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johnthetubaguythanks all14:31
johnthetubaguy#endmeeting14:31
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openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-05-14-14.00.txt14:31
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-05-14-14.00.log.html14:31
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mtreinish#startmeeting qa22:01
openstackMeeting started Thu May 14 22:01:41 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mtreinish. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.22:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.22:01
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mtreinishhi, who's here for today's meeting?22:01
masayukigo/22:01
dkranz_here, barely22:02
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mtreinish#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Proposed_Agenda_for_May_14th_2015_.282200_UTC.2922:02
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mtreinishdkranz_: no worries, it should be quick22:02
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mtreinishbeing the week before summit and all22:02
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mtreinishdtroyer, jogo, hogepodge: around?22:03
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hogepodgeI'm around22:04
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hogepodgeo/22:04
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mtreinishok, well let's get started maybe more people will pop up as we get started22:04
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mtreinish#topic Summit Session Etherpads22:04
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mtreinishso I started all of the etherpads for all the qa track sessions22:04
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mtreinishthe links can be found here:22:05
mtreinish#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Design_Summit/Liberty/Etherpads#QA22:05
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mtreinishI also put them all in the schedule22:05
dkranz_mtreinish: thanks!22:05
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mtreinishif your leading the discussion in a session it'd be awesome if you could start to flush them out22:06
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mtreinishso we've got a good starting ground going into the sessions22:06
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jogomtreinish: a little bit22:06
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mtreinishthat's all I had for this topic, is there anything else?22:07
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mtreinishok, then let's move on22:08
mtreinish#topic Grenade22:08
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mtreinishjogo: anything on the grenade front this week?22:09
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jogosdague is working on some patches that don't work yet22:10
jogowe did hit a bug related to upgrading OSC in grenade/devstack22:10
mtreinishoh, the cinderclient thing?22:10
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mtreinishheh, I guess so :)22:12
mtreinishok is there anything else on grenade?22:12
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mtreinishok, then let's move on22:14
mtreinish#topic Devstack22:14
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mtreinishI don't think dtroyer is around right now22:14
mtreinishand I don't have anything to add for devstack this week22:14
mtreinishdoes anyone else have something to discuss about devstack?22:14
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mtreinishok, then let's move on22:16
mtreinish#topic Bugs22:16
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mtreinishso does anyone have anything to bring up about open bugs?22:16
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mtreinishor the status of the bug list22:17
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* mtreinish has a feeling it's going to be 1-2-3 for each topic today :)22:17
hogepodgeI have a topic relating to defcore and how we interact with bugs, but it's a larger issue and not directed at any bug in particular.22:17
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mtreinishhogepodge: sure, as good a time as any22:17
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hogepodgeI drafted a proposal to put before the board, regarding flagging of tests, that would require vendors to document bugs and encourage them to with fix, or have a plan to fix.22:18
hogepodgeYou can see it here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182105/22:18
mtreinish#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182105/22:18
hogepodgeFeedback is encouraged, since this will have an impact on the qa team.22:18
masayukigmtreinish: We have 17 new bugs..22:19
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masayukigmtreinish: We should triage them.22:19
mtreinishmasayukig: heh, I have a feeling hogepodge knows something about that. I think a lot are from people running defcore :)22:19
mtreinishmasayukig: yeah I've been a bit lax the past couple weeks22:19
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mtreinishmasayukig: did someone sign up to triage this week?22:20
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masayukigmtreinish: afazekas?22:20
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hogepodgemtreinish: masayukig see link above. :-)22:20
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mtreinishhogepodge: sure, that seems like a sane approach. Personally I have no qualms about closing tempest bugs which are just noise22:21
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mtreinishhogepodge: I think part of the proposal should probably point out that the tests may (or more probably) aren't the source of the bugs22:21
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mtreinishbecause like if a feature doesn't work in a service with a certain config and tempest is exposing that, that's not a tempest bug22:22
hogepodgemtreinish: I can update the wording. It'a part of why I indicated that either the test or upstream could be patched.22:22
mtreinishwhich the common issue I see22:22
hogepodgemtreinish: agree22:22
mtreinishhogepodge: sure, I'll leave a review comment about that22:22
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mtreinishmasayukig: yeah it looks like afazekas signed up for the rotation this week:22:23
mtreinish#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/qa-bug-triage-rotation22:23
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hogepodgeIf it's a cloud config problem, then there should be no flag. Once a test is flag the flag can't be removed for that cycle, so I'm trying to introduce a barrier to make sure we're not excluding tests for bad reasons22:23
mtreinishhogepodge: oh, I didn't realize the turnaround was that long on flags22:24
mtreinishyeah there should be a high barrier to doing it then22:24
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dkranz_mtreinish: we need to determine if the bug is in the cloud-under-test or a but in tempest that is exposed by a new config that we don't test22:24
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mtreinishdkranz_: sure, there are legit bugs being filed about that22:25
dkranz_mtreinish: I can look at some of these tomorrow22:25
mtreinishbut at least this past week or 2 most are not about that22:25
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mtreinishwhen tempest bugs in other configs have come up I've been pretty quick to try and fix it22:26
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mtreinishok, is there anything else on bugs?22:26
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mtreinishok, then let's move on22:27
mtreinish#topic Critical Reviews22:27
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mtreinishdoes anyone have any reviews they'd like to get extra eyes on?22:28
mtreinishI've got a couple this week:22:28
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mtreinish#link https://review.openstack.org/18268422:28
mtreinish#link https://review.openstack.org/18303522:29
mtreinish#link https://review.openstack.org/18213922:29
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mtreinish#link https://review.openstack.org/17834122:29
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mtreinishI think that's it for me :)22:29
dkranz_https://review.openstack.org/#/c/179398/22:29
dkranz_That's the last for making non-admin work22:30
masayukig#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/179398/22:30
mtreinishdkranz_: oh, sry I have that open in a tab somewhere, I guess I never finished22:30
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dkranz_mtreinish: I"ll look at the ones you listed first thing tomorrow22:30
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mtreinishdkranz_: cool, thanks22:31
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mtreinishmost of them should be pretty quick22:31
hogepodgeOh, this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182730/22:31
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hogepodge#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182730/22:32
mtreinishoh an ordering issue, jlk fixed one of those for the resize tests in the same class22:33
mtreinishthat server reuse is jsut a pain22:33
mtreinishok are there any other reviews?22:33
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mtreinishok, then let's open the floor22:35
mtreinish#topic Open Discussion22:35
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mtreinishdoes anyone have any topics not on the agenda to bring up?22:35
mtreinishoh, I have a couple info worthy items actually22:36
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mtreinish#info tempest now gating on py34 unit tests22:36
mtreinishthat landed earlier this week, we now have a py34 unit test job gating on all tempest changes22:36
masayukigmtreinish: cool :)22:36
dkranz_woot22:36
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mtreinishtempest itself doesn't quite work yet under python3422:37
mtreinishbut the unit tests are a start22:37
mtreinish#info kilo jobs added to tempest check22:37
mtreinishthat landed about the same time, and was mostly an oversight from the release22:37
mtreinishbut I added all the missing stable compat kilo jobs to the tempest queue22:38
mtreinishso now each tempest change requires a bunch more things to pass :(22:38
* mtreinish can't wait until icehouse dies22:38
mtreinishok is there anything else?22:39
mtreinishotherwise we can call the meeting22:39
dkranz_mtreinish: why can't we kill icehouse?22:39
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dkranz_mtreinish: you can answer that next week :)22:40
mtreinishdkranz_: because the proposed deadline for doing that is still a few months off (July iirc)22:40
dkranz_mtreinish: ok :(22:40
mtreinishit was an experiment in having a longer window, which I personally view as a failure22:40
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mtreinishanyway I guess that's it for today22:41
mtreinishthanks everyone22:41
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mtreinishlooking forward to meeting f2f in vancover22:41
mtreinish#info no irc meeting next week because of summit22:42
mtreinish#endmeeting22:42
masayukigthanks, see you in Vancouver22:42
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