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| annegentle | ok this is our meeting room I do believe | 13:59 |
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| annegentle | #startmeeting docteam | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 25 14:00:36 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is annegentle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' | 14:00 |
| annegentle | Okay. Here's our agenda | 14:00 |
| AJaeger | Good afternoon! | 14:00 |
| annegentle | hi! glad you can make this time! | 14:01 |
| annegentle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/DocTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 14:01 |
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| annegentle | let's start with action items from last time | 14:01 |
| annegentle | (none) | 14:01 |
| annegentle | I like hat | 14:01 |
| annegentle | that even | 14:01 |
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| annegentle | I dont' think there's anything from apac either but let me look real quick | 14:02 |
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| annegentle | nope | 14:02 |
| Sam-I-Am | hi | 14:02 |
| annegentle | hey | 14:02 |
| annegentle | Okay that's it for action items from meetings | 14:02 |
| annegentle | #topic Four final theme bugs | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Four final theme bugs (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 14:02 | |
| annegentle | So I think there are four things we have to fix before releasing | 14:03 |
| annegentle | Search working, bug link working, TOC links working, scoped/conditional build working | 14:03 |
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| annegentle | yesterday AJaeger got the scope build working, thank you AJaeger! | 14:03 |
| annegentle | and whew! | 14:03 |
| Sam-I-Am | woohoo | 14:03 |
| annegentle | The search has a patch in place, let me find the link | 14:03 |
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| AJaeger | I see the following problems with user guide/admin user guide: Title of admin user guide is wrong. We have no glossary. | 14:03 |
| AJaeger | but those are not related to theme | 14:04 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: okay, good to know. I didn't have working glossary as a "must have" in this phase. | 14:04 |
| AJaeger | good to know | 14:04 |
| annegentle | Search fix: | 14:04 |
| annegentle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/167028/ | 14:04 |
| annegentle | Bug link in progress: | 14:05 |
| annegentle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/160151/ | 14:05 |
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| annegentle | Oh I almost forgot, we need next and prev links as well | 14:05 |
| annegentle | so still four things | 14:05 |
| annegentle | Next/Prev: | 14:05 |
| annegentle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/163656/ | 14:05 |
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| annegentle | TOC links: | 14:05 |
| annegentle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/160354/ | 14:05 |
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| annegentle | all of those need to be landed this week or next for us to publish RST by April 9th. | 14:06 |
| annegentle | does anyone have any other showstoppers? | 14:06 |
| annegentle | meaning, without this, we shouldn't publish from RST | 14:06 |
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| annegentle | I don't believe the licensing is a showstopper, nor the glossary. | 14:06 |
| Sam-I-Am | make the goes | 14:06 |
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| AJaeger | agreed | 14:06 |
| annegentle | I think we can iterate | 14:07 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: what's the typical turnaround for global requirements? If I get these four into a new release, can we push for global to get updated? | 14:07 |
| AJaeger | annegentle, we can releease without global requirements. | 14:07 |
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| AJaeger | The build process always takes the latest release, requirements is only important for local setup... | 14:08 |
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| annegentle | AJaeger: ah! | 14:08 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: no kidding. hm. | 14:08 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: I thought it would be pinned to a version number | 14:08 |
| AJaeger | and global requirement is something I have to do some more discussion on how to do it properly | 14:08 |
| AJaeger | annegentle, we have > version so that works | 14:08 |
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| annegentle | AJaeger: okay, sounds like you have a handle on it then | 14:08 |
| annegentle | wow idiomatic phrase there :) sorry. | 14:08 |
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| dhritishikhar_ | annegentle, AJaeger hello | 14:09 |
| annegentle | morning / evening dhritishikhar_! | 14:09 |
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| annegentle | ok, how should I update the community this week on our RST progress? ML post? Should I do another blog post? | 14:09 |
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| annegentle | I think ML post should be sufficient | 14:09 |
| annegentle | Another topic that we'll have to discuss, and I think I'll start on the list, is what criteria do we use for choosing what goes to RST next? That'll certainly be a good summit topic. | 14:10 |
| annegentle | so be thinking of ideas for criteria (not justifications for your favorite, ha) | 14:10 |
| annegentle | any questions on RST, theme, migration? | 14:11 |
| AJaeger | we should stop patching the current user guides | 14:11 |
| annegentle | We haven't really had to "freeze" the content, but I'll take a look today. | 14:11 |
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| annegentle | AJaeger: heh it's like you're a mind reader | 14:11 |
| AJaeger | to not have newer content in the xml that is newer than RST | 14:11 |
| AJaeger | ;) | 14:11 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: yeah the freeze has been unintentional so far, as in, no one has updated the user guides anyway | 14:11 |
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| annegentle | AJaeger: Ok I'll add that to my ml post | 14:12 |
| AJaeger | annegentle, there are one or two patches in the queue AFAIR | 14:12 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: ah, good to know, that's what I was going to check | 14:12 |
| AJaeger | annegentle, add title for admin guide to the todo list | 14:12 |
| Sam-I-Am | we should discuss the networking guide being published to /networking-guide as docbook still | 14:12 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i thought that should be rst | 14:12 |
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| annegentle | AJaeger: do you happen to know, does https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/Migrate have all files listed? | 14:12 |
| AJaeger | Sam-I-Am, it'S not published actively - that'S frozen content. Let's ask annegentle to remove it | 14:12 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: yep I want criteria for completion before publishing anything else to RST | 14:13 |
| AJaeger | annegentle, no idea ;( | 14:13 |
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| Sam-I-Am | annegentle: ok. the networking guide is going to be... interesting. | 14:13 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: and yes, should the XML be deleted? | 14:13 |
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| Sam-I-Am | annegentle: yes, it should be deleted | 14:13 |
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| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: as long as we know how to get the old XML from a change id or commit id or whatever the git term is for that then I'll propose a deletion | 14:14 |
| annegentle | (I know how, does everyone else) | 14:14 |
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| Sam-I-Am | annegentle: what do you mean get it? | 14:14 |
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| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: you can retrieve it locally with a git command even after it's removed from master branch | 14:14 |
| annegentle | it being XML files | 14:15 |
| Sam-I-Am | ah | 14:15 |
| annegentle | so, them, heh. | 14:15 |
| annegentle | just don't want to cause freakouts | 14:15 |
| Sam-I-Am | we can discuss outside of the meeting | 14:15 |
| annegentle | #action annegentle to delete XML content from networking guide master branch | 14:15 |
| annegentle | #undo | 14:15 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Action object at 0x9226410> | 14:15 |
| annegentle | okay | 14:15 |
| annegentle | Moving on in... | 14:15 |
| annegentle | meh, I hate countdowns :) | 14:16 |
| annegentle | #topic Licensing updates | 14:16 |
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| Sam-I-Am | 5... | 14:16 |
| annegentle | So I meant to send a more detailed context-setting email about licensing, but ended up sending what I sent last night, ha. | 14:16 |
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| Sam-I-Am | its pretty good to clear this all up | 14:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | its been really confusing | 14:16 |
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| annegentle | Basically, I audited the 14 guides I consider governed by the common docs team | 14:16 |
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| annegentle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/ContentSpecs#Licenses | 14:17 |
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| annegentle | I think I still need legal guidance on the desired outcome | 14:17 |
| AJaeger | thanks a lot for doing this, annegentle ! | 14:17 |
| annegentle | so hopefully I can get that on the legal ML, but I also have Stefano (reed) who can help from the Foundation. | 14:17 |
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| annegentle | I do want to bring up here that we all should be contemplative about putting content outside of gerrit | 14:18 |
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| Sam-I-Am | why? | 14:18 |
| annegentle | I also wanted to be sure those of us on the team get what we want -- I think that less confusion will be great. | 14:19 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: so that we don't end up having to do an audit trail with a team of lawyers some day | 14:19 |
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| annegentle | I think it's best if the output displays the license. Sounds like everyone agrees on that? | 14:20 |
| AJaeger | annegentle, I'd like to have a clear and simple rule ;) | 14:20 |
| AJaeger | output displaying the license would be nice | 14:20 |
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| annegentle | Do we think we should indicate to any docs contributor what happens to the content license? It's a ton of education. | 14:20 |
| Sam-I-Am | annegentle: thats what people see | 14:20 |
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| sicarie | I'm a fan of a 'submissions are under <link> copyright' line to the new contributor message | 14:22 |
| annegentle | I'm not even clear myself today what it means to sign the CLA from a content/writing standpoint | 14:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | annegentle: its kind of weird that writing is not "code" per se | 14:22 |
| AJaeger | yeah - but that's a larger problem | 14:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | even though it is... compiled. | 14:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | and may contain codey things | 14:22 |
| annegentle | sicarie: that's good input, and we could add that fairly easily | 14:23 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: there's no legal distinction today | 14:23 |
| annegentle | well I shouldn't say that, I barely know myself | 14:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | it confuses me a lot... particularly apache vs. cc | 14:24 |
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| annegentle | basically, the goals are: open as possible so that it gets as wide distribution and reuse as possible while following brand guidelines | 14:25 |
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| annegentle | with those goals, do we want the outcomes: | 14:25 |
| annegentle | - every reader knows the license | 14:25 |
| annegentle | - people know if and how to reuse the docs | 14:25 |
| annegentle | - contributors know what happens to their upstream contributions | 14:26 |
| annegentle | that third one's the hardest to measure | 14:26 |
| annegentle | for that matter, so's the first one | 14:26 |
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| Sam-I-Am | they are not written for plebes | 14:26 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: does it concern you really though? | 14:26 |
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| annegentle | I think most people contribute to open source with an understanding that sharing is desired | 14:27 |
| Sam-I-Am | not really. | 14:27 |
| annegentle | so I'm not too worried. Yeah. | 14:27 |
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| Sam-I-Am | the only thing i dont particularly care for is people lifting stuff verbatim and posting it elsewhere without reference to the original | 14:27 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: even CC-by doesn't desire to prevent that | 14:28 |
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| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: if you wanted to avoid that you'd want CC-by-sa | 14:28 |
| annegentle | er | 14:28 |
| annegentle | I mean the one with attribution | 14:28 |
| annegentle | but anyway, the Foundation doesn't want that | 14:28 |
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| annegentle | ok on to | 14:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | ok | 14:29 |
| annegentle | #topic Specialty teams | 14:29 |
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| annegentle | Anyone from HA Guide want to report? | 14:29 |
| annegentle | I need to catch up after my week off anyway | 14:29 |
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| annegentle | plus all my emails are digest form, sigh | 14:29 |
| Sam-I-Am | so... | 14:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | HA guide... think we're still banging out the topics | 14:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | and their order, specifically | 14:30 |
| annegentle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/HA_Guide_Update | 14:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | the meeting time got screwed up with the time change | 14:30 |
| annegentle | Okay, I'm reading Matt's update now | 14:30 |
| annegentle | Oh yeah. crazy time change | 14:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | its moving slowly | 14:31 |
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| annegentle | there is a blueprint, | 14:31 |
| annegentle | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/improve-ha-guide | 14:31 |
| annegentle | It's approved from Feb 2014, but it would be great to get a spec | 14:31 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i think specs get forgotten | 14:31 |
| Sam-I-Am | the owner of the sub-team should probably managed it | 14:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | -d | 14:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | the contributors dont have the time | 14:32 |
| annegentle | I do worry this (ha) is getting bigger... possibly out of scope. | 14:32 |
| annegentle | I'll try to circle back with Matt | 14:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | what do you mean? | 14:32 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: with all the rest of the guides needing work too, should we prioritize ha work? | 14:33 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: it's near impossible to get the project teams to do the writing. so it's tough to find specialists. | 14:33 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i think they're all pretty desperate for contributions - ha, install, networking, etc | 14:33 |
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| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: so it's worrisome and descoping is one way to conserve resources. | 14:33 |
| annegentle | I look at our numbers and worry. | 14:33 |
| annegentle | but, the discussion veers into "well then why have a big tent" | 14:34 |
| Sam-I-Am | which numbers? | 14:34 |
| annegentle | if we drop 6 core docs reviewers our numbers of people who can +2 are quite low | 14:34 |
| Sam-I-Am | add more cores? | 14:34 |
| Sam-I-Am | was there some sort of plan to make sub-team owners core? | 14:35 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: still, even if we get back to 20 cores, how do we know how many are enough? | 14:35 |
| Sam-I-Am | or does that only apply to separate repos | 14:35 |
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| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: it's most easily applied on repos | 14:35 |
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| annegentle | yesterday's TC meeting had a discussion about "maintainers" which is similar to our specialty teams | 14:35 |
| annegentle | so a lot of the teams are having similar discussions about resources and ensuring recognition and allocation wisely | 14:36 |
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| Sam-I-Am | hopefully moving to rst we can reduce the barrier to entry and/or automate more stuff | 14:36 |
| annegentle | believe me, I don't want to get rid of specialty teams or guides | 14:36 |
| Sam-I-Am | as long as rst doesnt become to encumbered | 14:36 |
| annegentle | Okay anyone from training? | 14:36 |
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| annegentle | Good to see them adding people. | 14:37 |
| annegentle | Go ahead with Install Guide then. | 14:37 |
| KLevenstein | hello | 14:37 |
| KLevenstein | right now we’re in “update all the things” mode for Kilo, that being the top priority | 14:37 |
| annegentle | hi KLevenstein! | 14:37 |
| annegentle | nice to see Bernd stepping up there! | 14:38 |
| Sam-I-Am | i have a big keystone patch coming :) | 14:38 |
| Sam-I-Am | it changes All The Things | 14:38 |
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| annegentle | heh saw that | 14:38 |
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| KLevenstein | that patch is the biggest news, currently. apart from the fact that, well, the team exists. :) | 14:39 |
| Sam-I-Am | using a lot of the rpc work to determine changes for kilo | 14:39 |
| annegentle | KLevenstein: so for process, does the spec have to be approved prior to work merging? | 14:39 |
| Sam-I-Am | our team doesnt have a lot of veterans yet | 14:39 |
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| KLevenstein | re: the spec, I’m open to ideas on process, but I feel like the spec addresses wider material than just “get it done for Kilo” | 14:39 |
| KLevenstein | and I don’t want it to stand in the way of work | 14:39 |
| annegentle | or does the review become the place to discuss? Ideally the spec review is finalized before the patches come in, but with the time crunch, I understand a need for speed. | 14:40 |
| KLevenstein | that said, it has a lot of info that I want us to keep on our collective radar | 14:40 |
| Sam-I-Am | next time we'll get on this earlier (now that trunk isnt published) | 14:40 |
| annegentle | I worry that Sam-I-Am will do work that devs overturn. | 14:40 |
| annegentle | I've seen too many last-minute reversals. but maybe it's fine | 14:40 |
| Sam-I-Am | what do you mean? | 14:41 |
| annegentle | like the keystone team deciding to deprecate v2 but no one letting them, that sort of thing. | 14:41 |
| annegentle | I mean, the spec seems to offer the right balance to me. | 14:42 |
| Sam-I-Am | heh, yeah. there's a lot of fun around that, but i think i found the right balance in my patch | 14:42 |
| annegentle | of "get it done in a timely way in a scope that's doable" | 14:42 |
| Sam-I-Am | and 2 days worth of testing | 14:42 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: okay | 14:42 |
| KLevenstein | personally I’m amenable to whatever makes the most sense right now and doesn’t get in the way of getting the Kilo stuff done | 14:42 |
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| annegentle | KLevenstein: maybe it's better to publish the spec this week, just to have process in the right order, and the plan communicated, so that reviewers know what to look for. | 14:42 |
| KLevenstein | fair enough | 14:42 |
| annegentle | KLevenstein: then amend the spec if required. | 14:43 |
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| Sam-I-Am | annegentle: another thing... | 14:43 |
| AJaeger | regarding keystone, we should follow up on berendt's email and discuss keystone in the cli guide: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2015-March/006073.html | 14:43 |
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| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: you good with that? | 14:43 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah | 14:43 |
| Sam-I-Am | so, in light of not frying myself, i'm only testing/updating the ubuntu content | 14:43 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: oh yeah, I need to write back, add a deprecation note. there's too many installs already to just remove | 14:43 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: ok | 14:43 |
| Sam-I-Am | most of the service config should work fine on other distros | 14:43 |
| Sam-I-Am | however, for keystone, redhat/suse use different apache configs | 14:44 |
| Sam-I-Am | so, what i'd like is to merge patches that work for 1 distro, and then address other distros in additional patches rather than waiting until all distros work after a bunch of -1s | 14:44 |
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| KLevenstein | I endorse this plan | 14:44 |
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| AJaeger | Sam-I-Am, fine for me | 14:44 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: I'm okay with that also, esp. since it's not published. | 14:44 |
| Sam-I-Am | in other words... if i finish ubuntu and its tested by kilo release, we publish it. if rhel isnt done, we dont publish it. | 14:44 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: does the spec note that? | 14:44 |
| Sam-I-Am | pretty sure we can publish per-distro | 14:45 |
| annegentle | Just want to be sure it's communicated | 14:45 |
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| Sam-I-Am | yeah, i think it says "we | 14:45 |
| Sam-I-Am | we're not publishing untested stuff | 14:45 |
| AJaeger | Sam-I-Am, add this information to the spec - that a patch fixing one distro is fine in the initial phase. | 14:45 |
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| Sam-I-Am | however it doesnt mention my patching idea | 14:45 |
| Sam-I-Am | ok aj, i can do that | 14:45 |
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| annegentle | okay | 14:45 |
| annegentle | that'll help reviewers | 14:45 |
| annegentle | otherwise we don't know what's intended | 14:46 |
| Sam-I-Am | i'm going to note it in my commit message for this patch | 14:46 |
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| KLevenstein | cool | 14:46 |
| Sam-I-Am | but the spec makes more sense long term | 14:46 |
| annegentle | ok | 14:46 |
| Sam-I-Am | this is one hell of a commit message | 14:46 |
| Sam-I-Am | kind of its own doc | 14:46 |
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| annegentle | heh that's what's helpful | 14:47 |
| Sam-I-Am | but it means the install guide wanders more toward a production system | 14:47 |
| annegentle | Ok, anyone here for user guides? | 14:47 |
| annegentle | that's good, closer to production | 14:47 |
| Sam-I-Am | you can thank dolph :) | 14:47 |
| annegentle | I do think that the user guide team can help with the "do we need to replicate/duplicate topics in each guide?" | 14:48 |
| annegentle | I think as we get further from "book" looking deliverables it'll be natural | 14:48 |
| annegentle | but it's nice to know we have conditional for topic-level. | 14:48 |
| annegentle | Not planning on conditionals at a phrase level. | 14:48 |
| annegentle | does that make sense at all? | 14:48 |
| Sam-I-Am | i'm still thinking eventually this will all be in one place... admin/operator/user | 14:48 |
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| Sam-I-Am | less confusion on where to find stuff | 14:49 |
| AJaeger | it would make life a lot easier if it's all one book ;) | 14:49 |
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| AJaeger | (from the tooling side ;) | 14:49 |
| Sam-I-Am | i see a lot of issues where people just dont know where to look for stuff | 14:49 |
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| annegentle | I also wanted to note here that Bryan Payne is handing the Security Guide reins to Nathaniel Dillon | 14:49 |
| Sam-I-Am | i was sort of surprised in the install guide that we're linking to the ops guide for some things instead of the admin or user guides | 14:49 |
| annegentle | I should probably look for wiki pages to update. | 14:49 |
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| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: I just told someone in a review to point to the user guide instead of the ops guide for floating IPs. | 14:50 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: so that's fixable | 14:50 |
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| Sam-I-Am | true. i'm still in the one-guide camp heh. | 14:50 |
| annegentle | I don't have much to report for API docs other than Diane has been going great gangbusters on bug fixes. | 14:51 |
| annegentle | yay! | 14:51 |
| annegentle | Anything else from specialty groups? | 14:51 |
| annegentle | Nick is off this week | 14:51 |
| Sam-I-Am | networking? | 14:51 |
| AJaeger | annegentle, hug her from me - she does a great job there! | 14:51 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: :) | 14:51 |
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| Sam-I-Am | yeah, he's sort of off | 14:51 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: oh yeah Networking, didn't have it on the agenda, will add | 14:51 |
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| Sam-I-Am | he submitted a patch that i threatened to -1 because he wasnt vacationing hard enough | 14:51 |
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| Sam-I-Am | anyway, we're moving along slowly. | 14:52 |
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| annegentle | I hope I set an okay example for stepping away from computer. | 14:52 |
| AJaeger | annegentle, sort of ;) | 14:52 |
| annegentle | :) | 14:52 |
| Sam-I-Am | annegentle: you didnt vacation hard enough either | 14:52 |
| annegentle | So sounds like XML can be deleted | 14:52 |
| annegentle | and the scenario template is now in good shape | 14:53 |
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| AJaeger | and current networking published version can be deleted | 14:53 |
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| Sam-I-Am | anyway, right now i'm having trouble splitting time between the install and networking guide content. we almost have all the scenarios done, at least ready for conversion to RST... after which point we can address minor technical issues (and there are some). | 14:53 |
| Sam-I-Am | elke sort of ended up in the hospital again, so things are backed up | 14:53 |
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| AJaeger | annegentle, http://docs.openstack.org/networking-guide/content/ch_preface.html | 14:54 |
| annegentle | oh no! | 14:54 |
| annegentle | I hope she's okay | 14:54 |
| Sam-I-Am | one thing we need to discuss in light of kilo coming soon (and a presentation at the summit) is... when and what can we publish? | 14:54 |
| Sam-I-Am | i dont know what she had done, but it sounded semi-planned | 14:54 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: so that's there now, okay. | 14:54 |
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| AJaeger | annegentle, that should be deleted | 14:54 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: ok, got it | 14:54 |
| AJaeger | Sam-I-Am, once you have enough content we can publish quickly ;) | 14:55 |
| Sam-I-Am | seems to me that the meat everyone wants is the scenarios. aka... how do i configure X? | 14:55 |
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| annegentle | #action annegentle to FTP delete the XML published networking guide | 14:55 |
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| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: AJaeger: so is one scenario enough to publish? | 14:55 |
| Sam-I-Am | annegentle: i think we should have all of them | 14:55 |
| annegentle | that is, one page? | 14:55 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: is that realistic by May 18? | 14:55 |
| Sam-I-Am | as long as we get someone to convert to rst... most of the writing is done. | 14:56 |
| AJaeger | have a look at the content: http://docs-draft.openstack.org/21/165121/11/check/gate-openstack-manuals-tox-doc-publish-checkbuild/f00f84a//publish-docs/networking-guide/content/index.html | 14:56 |
| Sam-I-Am | there's one scenario that isnt written yet, but its not hard. | 14:56 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: are there xml-based scenarios? | 14:56 |
| AJaeger | That's too little IMHO | 14:56 |
| Sam-I-Am | no. they're RST... or they're markdown in my repo. | 14:56 |
| annegentle | too much TBD | 14:56 |
| Sam-I-Am | we only have one converted to rst because elke | 14:56 |
| AJaeger | and first we need the 4 theming bugs fixed and a new theme released | 14:57 |
| Sam-I-Am | there's a second one that sean uploaded, but it needs work. | 14:57 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: they could publish with oslosphinx if needed | 14:57 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: I know that's not ideal. | 14:57 |
| Sam-I-Am | its in my queue to look at, but not sure when that'll happen | 14:57 |
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| annegentle | What about publishing only what doesn't have TBD? | 14:57 |
| Sam-I-Am | content takes priority over rst munging for me | 14:57 |
| sicarie | Is the rst conversion for specialty docs as well, and if so is there a planned migration completion date? | 14:57 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: is markdown that much easier than rst? | 14:58 |
| Sam-I-Am | annegentle: no, but github renders it better. | 14:58 |
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| annegentle | sicarie: User Guide and Admin User Guide are the only two planned for this release | 14:58 |
| annegentle | sicarie: hence the discussion | 14:58 |
| Sam-I-Am | annegentle: they're about the same. also, my browser has a markdown plugin :) | 14:58 |
| annegentle | sicarie: and a need to set criteria for what gets migrated next. | 14:58 |
| sicarie | annegentle: thanks, just wondering if I need to start planning for that as well :) | 14:58 |
| annegentle | sicarie: definitely help figure out criteria :) | 14:58 |
| Sam-I-Am | next up - asciidoc :) | 14:59 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: so your need is something on docs.openstack by summit? | 14:59 |
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| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: or is that really the outcome? | 15:00 |
| Sam-I-Am | annegentle: yes, because session | 15:00 |
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| Sam-I-Am | "we did X... but you cant see it" | 15:00 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: I saw it was accepted | 15:00 |
| Sam-I-Am | not going over well | 15:00 |
| Sam-I-Am | the scenarios are the primary example of collaboration | 15:00 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: so, I'm fine with publishing it as long as the TBDs are not there | 15:00 |
| AJaeger | we're over the hour, annegentle time is up | 15:00 |
| Sam-I-Am | and they're going to be done | 15:00 |
| annegentle | ah yes | 15:00 |
| annegentle | sorry | 15:00 |
| annegentle | let's continue in #openstack-doc for open discussion | 15:00 |
| annegentle | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 25 15:00:56 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-03-25-14.00.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-03-25-14.00.txt | 15:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-03-25-14.00.log.html | 15:01 |
| Sam-I-Am | ok | 15:01 |
| Sam-I-Am | moving' on over... | 15:01 |
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| thingee | #startmeeting cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 25 16:00:22 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is thingee. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| e0ne | hi! | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | o/ | 16:00 |
| thingee | hi everyone! | 16:00 |
| xyang2 | hi | 16:00 |
| tbarron | hi | 16:00 |
| jgravel | hello | 16:00 |
| abhishekk | o/ | 16:00 |
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| ameade | good day folks | 16:00 |
| cebruns | Hi | 16:00 |
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| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:00 |
| Swanson | hello | 16:00 |
| * jungleboyj waves from the beach | 16:00 | |
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| dulek | Hi | 16:00 |
| thingee | agenda items for today: | 16:01 |
| * smcginnis doesn't think jungleboyj does vacations well. | 16:01 | |
| thingee | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderMeetings#Next_meeting | 16:01 |
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| thingee | #topic Future of tasflow in cinder | 16:01 |
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| thingee | abhishekk: hi | 16:01 |
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| asselin | o/ | 16:01 |
| abhishekk | thingee: hi | 16:01 |
| kmartin | hello | 16:01 |
| thangp | o/ | 16:01 |
| thingee | abhishekk: so there has been zero progress on discussion with Cinder and taskflow | 16:01 |
| abhishekk | yes | 16:01 |
| thingee | abhishekk: just like the last time this was brought up | 16:01 |
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| thingee | abhishekk: there have been a bit more pressing issues going on in Cinder, if you're keeping up with the mailing list | 16:02 |
| abhishekk | thingee: yes, we are ready to put constructive efforts for L | 16:02 |
| e0ne | thingee, abhishekk: we've got design session proposals for it | 16:02 |
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| abhishekk | thats great | 16:02 |
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| thingee | abhishekk: so yes there's a summit session. unless there is anything new to bring to the table on this topic | 16:03 |
| dulek | yes, I've proposed it, but to prepare it would be great to know the direction | 16:03 |
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| abhishekk | I agree with dulek | 16:03 |
| thingee | ok what's new? | 16:03 |
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| e0ne | dulek: i propose to update our patches before summit | 16:04 |
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| dulek | thingee: I guess not much, I would just love to know if the decision on stepping out from TaskFlow is taken or not | 16:04 |
| thingee | I would like to ask that there is a decide approach and not X number of approaches | 16:04 |
| abhishekk | thingee: yes, Are we going to step out from using TaskFlow? | 16:04 |
| thingee | I just find the whole thing confusing otherwise...which is why I think no progress has been made. | 16:04 |
| thingee | on getting things merged | 16:05 |
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| e0ne | thingee: TBH, we started work on it too late for K | 16:05 |
| thingee | abhishekk: that's the point of the summit | 16:05 |
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| thingee | abhishekk: which is a topic I will say comes up every summit and midcycle meetup | 16:05 |
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| thingee | abhishekk: which is not a great sign for a project | 16:05 |
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| thingee | e0ne: ^ | 16:05 |
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| e0ne | thingee: agree, it's reasonable | 16:06 |
| dulek | thingee: that's ok for me, so we'll decide at the summit | 16:06 |
| abhishekk | thingee: right, hopefully we can come to some conclusion in this summit | 16:06 |
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| jungleboyj | I agree that it is concerning that we keep discussing it and not making progress. Taskflow is hard to wrap our heads around. | 16:07 |
| thingee | if there is a split in the decision, I'll weigh in more after giving my initial thoughts at the summit based on the decided approach from you all on state transitions. | 16:07 |
| thingee | who wants to make sure that there is a decided approach to give at the summit? | 16:07 |
| thingee | and ideally decided early before the summit so we can familiarize ourselves | 16:07 |
| e0ne | thingee: +1 | 16:07 |
| eikke | is there an overview of cons of using taskflow? | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | We need better examples and reasons for why taskflow is better if we are going to make a decision at the Summit. | 16:08 |
| abhishekk | thingee: +1 | 16:08 |
| tbarron | I for one need guidance on how to debug issues when taskflow is involved. I get lost. | 16:08 |
| dulek | thingee: I can gather approach ideas and communicate to the ML before the summit. | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | tbarron: +2 | 16:08 |
| thingee | eikke: there is a lot of scattered reviews of us realizing some issues we hit along the way. If you take the recent allocation bug that jgriffith was trying to solve for sometime and then dulek had to write a hack for to get around... | 16:09 |
| thingee | dulek: which by the way, thank you | 16:09 |
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| dulek | thingee: np, but I got to agree, it was harsh | 16:09 |
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| thingee | #action dulek to make sure there is a decided approach to give at the summit and sent to the mailing list beforehand | 16:09 |
| eharney | it worries me that most of the taskflow discussions seem to revolve around general feeling and not analysis of real pros/cons... it would be good to get some organized information | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: +2 | 16:09 |
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| winston-d_zzZ | eharney: +2 | 16:09 |
| thingee | eharney: +1 eikke mentioning that made me realize that as well | 16:09 |
| e0ne | eharney: +1 | 16:10 |
| ameade | +10 | 16:10 |
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| geguileo | eharney: +1 | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | I ust don't understand what it improves yet. | 16:10 |
| eikke | eharney: +1 | 16:10 |
| thingee | to help the taskflow folks, I think it would be good if someone gathered the issues from the cinder side | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | Need concrete pros and cons. | 16:10 |
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| * thingee would vote for jgriffith to provide some information to whoever collects this info | 16:11 | |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: as i sad few month before, it's not very useful w/o persistance | 16:11 |
| thingee | anyone able to volunteer to gather the issues with taskflow + cinder? | 16:11 |
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| e0ne | thingee: i can do it | 16:11 |
| thingee | #action e0ne to gather the cons with taskflow in Cinder | 16:11 |
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| thingee | e0ne: please talk to jgriffith | 16:12 |
| thingee | e0ne: and thank you! | 16:12 |
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| e0ne | thingee: sure, i'll do | 16:12 |
| dulek | e0ne: Would you mind to use ML to communicate that? We may start a discussion here which is goo.d | 16:12 |
| thingee | dulek: great idea | 16:12 |
| dulek | s/here/there | 16:12 |
| abhishekk | thank you e0ne | 16:12 |
| thingee | #undo | 16:12 |
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| cebruns | Adding to etherpad for summit would be good too. | 16:12 |
| thingee | #action e0ne to gather the cons with taskflow in Cinder and post to ML for discussion | 16:12 |
| thingee | cebruns: it's there | 16:13 |
| eharney | also remember to actually compare not using taskflow to an alternative (missing functionality we'd like, implementing some complex thing ourselves...) | 16:13 |
| thingee | from what others told me | 16:13 |
| * thingee checks | 16:13 | |
| e0ne | dulek: i'll chat you too for it:) | 16:13 |
| dulek | e0ne: cool :) | 16:13 |
| thingee | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-liberty-proposed-sessions | 16:13 |
| cebruns | Yeah - meant adding the investigation/pros/cons results to etherpad as wella s ML | 16:13 |
| thingee | cebruns: ^ | 16:13 |
| thingee | cebruns: good idea | 16:13 |
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| thingee | ok I think this was great to discuss to get ourselves more organized for the topic at the summit | 16:14 |
| e0ne | eharney: yes, imo, the main problem, we don't use needed features from taskflow | 16:14 |
| dulek | thingee: I guess we'll take care of that with e0ne | 16:14 |
| thingee | thanks dulek e0ne and abhishekk | 16:14 |
| winston-d_zzZ | it could be eaiser to understand the real benefit of taskflow if there were some carefully designed synthetic 'failure' cases, which one can actually reproduce if needed, that taskflow helps. | 16:14 |
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| e0ne | winston-d_zzZ: +1 | 16:16 |
| cebruns | winston-d: +1 and showing "when Cinder encounters this..." taskflow can do "this" to alleviate it... | 16:16 |
| abhishekk | winston-d: +1 | 16:16 |
| thingee | winston-d: I agree. I think some of persistence patches have not been completely visible of what scenario it actually fixes. e.g. if this node fails, we have to wait for that node to come back to resume | 16:16 |
| jungleboyj | winston-d: +1 | 16:16 |
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| * thingee might be wrong but remembers DuncanT being a bit involved with that and calling them out | 16:17 | |
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| DuncanT | Erk, sorry, hadn't noticed the time | 16:17 |
| thingee | also with some of the persistence stuff being limited to use sqlite on the node itself. did that get resolved? | 16:17 |
| e0ne | thingee: we don't use taskflow for cinder recovering at all | 16:17 |
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| thingee | e0ne: correct. there are patches in discussion about this though | 16:18 |
| e0ne | thingee: no. we can use and DB that is supported by TF(Mysql, postgresql, etc) | 16:18 |
| dulek | thingee: This creates new issues, which I wanted to start discussion in ML thread mentioned by abhishekk | 16:18 |
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| e0ne | thingee: it was consern for it in dulek's spec | 16:18 |
| dulek | thingee: But that's true, we should revisit that | 16:18 |
| thingee | dulek: ok so nothing has changed there? I apologize but I'm not up to speed on the particular patch that this was brought up on | 16:19 |
| e0ne | thingee: we moved our focus from persisnance to K-3, afair | 16:20 |
| dulek | thingee: I've changed the priorities, will make sure we have clear vision before the summit. | 16:20 |
| e0ne | so nobody was involved in it | 16:20 |
| thingee | got it | 16:20 |
| thingee | dulek, abhishekk, e0ne anything else for this topic? I think this was great to start preparing | 16:20 |
| dulek | thingee: I'm fine, thanks a lot! | 16:21 |
| abhishekk | thingee: thanks a lot! | 16:21 |
| thingee | #topic CI Status Page | 16:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CI Status Page (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:21 | |
| abhishekk | dulek, e0ne: thank you | 16:21 |
| thingee | #idea The status page either needs to be updated or we should link to Mike's spreadsheet. | 16:21 |
| kmartin | the 3PAR driver is using taskflow for retype, as we have to make 2-3 calls to the array depending on what needs to be changed and rollback if one of those fails. | 16:21 |
| thingee | jungleboyj: hi | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: Hey, this is just real quick. | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | Had a question about whether the status page that is currently linked here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Cinder/tested-3rdParty-drivers | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | Should be updated or if we should change that link to the spreadsheet you have for CI status. | 16:22 |
| thingee | I don't think my non-editable spreadsheet is a good idea. I realize it's creating confusion with people as being what others should follow. It was purely for my tracking purposes to temporarily keep track of CIs | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | This is out of date: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Cinder/third-party-ci-status | 16:22 |
| patrickeast | i thought the decision a while ago was that we were not updating the wiki page | 16:23 |
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| thingee | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Cinder/third-party-ci-status | 16:23 |
| patrickeast | people should be keeping their thirdpartysystems wiki pages up to date | 16:23 |
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| ameade | yeah do we even need that page? | 16:23 |
| patrickeast | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ThirdPartySystems | 16:23 |
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| thingee | ameade: it's a good point | 16:23 |
| thingee | patrickeast: +1 | 16:23 |
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| thingee | anyone disagree? | 16:24 |
| akerr | +1, one less thing to keep track of | 16:24 |
| eharney | agreeing to not update it is rather confusing if we leave it there for people to find and link to... | 16:24 |
| DuncanT | The page was my attempt to do an open version of Thingee's spreadsheet... feel free to nuke it | 16:24 |
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| patrickeast | eharney: +1, we should probably remove it | 16:24 |
| thingee | #agreed nuke https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Cinder/third-party-ci-status in favor of https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ThirdPartySystems | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | patrickeast: +1 if that page isn't used we should get rid of it and link to the Third Party systems page instead. | 16:25 |
| thingee | I will also leave a link on my spreadsheet at the top | 16:25 |
| thingee | in case people find that | 16:25 |
| jungleboyj | Sounds good. | 16:25 |
| thingee | jungleboyj: sounds good...I'll do a redirect | 16:25 |
| thingee | #action thingee to redirect old CI page to decided CI page | 16:25 |
| thingee | #action thingee to leave a link on his spreadsheet to the decided page as well | 16:26 |
| thingee | jungleboyj: anything else? | 16:26 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: No, that was it. I will make sure we have our pages updated. | 16:26 |
| jungleboyj | Thank you for the decision. | 16:26 |
| thingee | #action thingee to communicate to driver maintainers about making sure pages are up-to-date | 16:26 |
| kmartin | should the https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderSupportMatrix be update with the drivers removed? | 16:27 |
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| thingee | kmartin: good point. Nothing is final right now...after RC I'll do a clean up if needed | 16:27 |
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| thingee | #action thingee to clean up driver support matrix page after RC | 16:28 |
| thingee | jungleboyj: thanks | 16:28 |
| thingee | #topic Deadline for readding volume drivers and RC | 16:28 |
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| jungleboyj | Thank you! | 16:28 |
| ameade | I have a couple questions on how to test unmerged drivers once we figure this out | 16:28 |
| thingee | so RC, is projected to 4/9 on the launchpad page. I learned this morning from ttx that's not a real date. | 16:29 |
| thingee | we will do a cut when the bug list is empty | 16:29 |
| xyang2 | ameade: submit a patch with your drivers added. then you should be able to test it | 16:29 |
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| akerr | xyang2: would that be sufficient to show stability? | 16:30 |
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| ameade | lets figure out the deadline stuff first | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: What does that mean? | 16:30 |
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| * thingee looks at calendar | 16:30 | |
| asselin | ameade, https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Cinder/tested-3rdParty-drivers & specific CINDER_BRANCH as shown there | 16:30 |
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| jungleboyj | thingee: I assume you mean when the targeted bug list is empty? | 16:31 |
| thingee | jungleboyj: yes | 16:31 |
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| thingee | so the bug list can change | 16:31 |
| thingee | can grow | 16:31 |
| thingee | if there are real showstoppers | 16:31 |
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| thingee | that's why setting deadlines in RC isn't easy | 16:31 |
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| ameade | can we set a minimum date? | 16:32 |
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| asselin | ameade, or manually cherry-pick your driver's patch on top of the latest | 16:32 |
| thingee | #link https://launchpad.net/cinder/+milestone/kilo-rc1 | 16:32 |
| thingee | ameade: yea | 16:32 |
| thingee | so I was think 4/6 ? | 16:32 |
| ameade | asselin: that's what i'm doing now but i gotta make sure everyone agrees thats fine | 16:32 |
| xyang2 | thingee: only show stoppers can be targeted? | 16:32 |
| thingee | xyang2: should be at this point | 16:32 |
| thingee | xyang2: I'll definitely help drivers in focus on big bug fixes for them though of course | 16:32 |
| thingee | xyang2: already did it for a couple of drivers so far | 16:33 |
| thingee | so is 4/6 fair? | 16:33 |
| ameade | thingee: that sounds ok to me | 16:33 |
| xyang2 | thingee: so you mean don't target driver bugs, but we can still review and approve them? | 16:33 |
| xyang2 | thingee: sounds good | 16:33 |
| thingee | gives me enough time to not drive other projects insane on waiting on cinder to do a cut | 16:33 |
| ameade | how long do we want to see new CIs run for? | 16:33 |
| e0ne | thingee: could we target medium bugs for RC-1 and not for RC-2, etc? | 16:34 |
| Swanson | Sure. Is cinder the long pole? | 16:34 |
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| thingee | ameade: I'll defer to DuncanT and asselin on that. | 16:34 |
| thingee | on how long things should be running stable | 16:34 |
| asselin | ameade, here's what I would do to run your unmerged driver on all cinder patches: http://paste.openstack.org/show/196670/ | 16:35 |
| asselin | ameade, assuming you're using devstack-gate to setup the job | 16:35 |
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| thingee | DuncanT: any opinions? | 16:35 |
| ameade | I'd like for us to lay out some of these requirements | 16:35 |
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| thingee | or asselin | 16:36 |
| ameade | should i be posting on sandbox? is it ok if I just append to our other CIs? Should i post on every single patch or just the ones that pass jenkins? | 16:36 |
| ameade | i know that running all 304 tests is now a requirement | 16:36 |
| asselin | sandbox is good for setting up and testing. after that works, you should really be commenting on all cinder patches | 16:36 |
| DuncanT | thingee: We don't have long to make the decision, so we can't make it very long. If the earliest you're setting the RC is 6th, then I'd say 7 days with a ping on channel for all breakages to say they've been noticed int hat period? | 16:37 |
| zongliang | How long the driver stable? | 16:37 |
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| DuncanT | That gives nearly a week to sort out any issues | 16:37 |
| thingee | DuncanT: 7 days? hmm...how far along are you ameade ? | 16:37 |
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| ameade | well i specifically pretty much have it done | 16:38 |
| ameade | scaling it to all patches is my particular challenge | 16:38 |
| ameade | with limited hardware | 16:38 |
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| zongliang | How to test the driver is stable?according to the reporting? | 16:39 |
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| thingee | I would like to propose five days of the CI being stable on posting results. I think anyone who is going to make this exception window should be pretty much there. | 16:39 |
| thingee | by now | 16:39 |
| DuncanT | ameade: There's been a general consensious that running after a jenkins +1 is reasonable | 16:40 |
| thingee | DuncanT: I think asselin and you would conflict there. | 16:40 |
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| thingee | but yes there are CI's doing this today | 16:40 |
| ameade | >.< | 16:40 |
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| DuncanT | asselin: Oh? | 16:40 |
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| asselin | I've no objection to running after jenkins +1 | 16:40 |
| thingee | so here are my thoughts on that... | 16:40 |
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| jungleboyj | thingee: +1 Seems reasonable. | 16:41 |
| thingee | I think this is really great progress we have made on all vendors | 16:41 |
| thingee | lets not ruin that | 16:41 |
| thingee | if people having scaling issues, lets allow it and once we got things more figured out/stable lets revisit the idea of being proactive on all patches | 16:41 |
| zongliang | Ok, | 16:41 |
| ameade | thingee: that would be great, we have more hardware coming mid april | 16:42 |
| ameade | and i think we get 99% of the value just running on most patches | 16:42 |
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| thingee | ameade: I was impressed netapp was already addressing scaling issues, but I can certainly say some people are running on some pretty "interesting" setups to meet the requirement | 16:43 |
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| ameade | thingee: we definitely went all in with CI | 16:43 |
| ameade | so my plan is to have this thing run silently for a day or two more | 16:43 |
| thingee | #agreed 4/6 cinder community will verify CI's for exception | 16:44 |
| thingee | #agreed CI's for exception must be stable/reporting for 5 days before 4/6 | 16:44 |
| thingee | #action thingee to communicate to ML about this | 16:44 |
| xyang2 | thingee: including weekends so starting at 4/1? | 16:45 |
| thingee | #action thingee to do reminder in next cinder meeting | 16:45 |
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| thingee | xyang2: yes =/ | 16:45 |
| jungleboyj | Who all is hoping for an exception? | 16:45 |
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| ameade | jungleboyj: <--this guy | 16:45 |
| ameade | i mean | 16:45 |
| ameade | <--this guy | 16:45 |
| ameade | lol | 16:45 |
| thingee | jungleboyj: huawei, netapp, oracle have a good chance from the sound of things | 16:45 |
| thingee | the rest of the drivers have no been communicating anything on the ML | 16:46 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:46 |
| thingee | not* | 16:46 |
| zongliang | Thanks | 16:46 |
| Liu | thingee: thanks:) | 16:46 |
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| hemna | jungleboyj, I think huawei is | 16:46 |
| jungleboyj | Ok, that was what I expected. Wnated to make sure there weren't others. | 16:46 |
| zongliang | We will do our best | 16:46 |
| ameade | I appreciate it | 16:46 |
| xyang2 | thingee: are there also a few windows drivers too? | 16:46 |
| thingee | that said, the community and specifically asselin has been responding to people on the ML about open issues on their CI's | 16:47 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: I would like to note that you are being more than considerate with this exception. | 16:47 |
| thingee | xyang2: I heard they would like to get exceptions on those. haven't seen ci's reporting yet or communication on the ML | 16:47 |
| zongliang | May be we met some network problem,we will fix | 16:47 |
| thingee | jungleboyj: yes | 16:47 |
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| thingee | To be clear, I didn't have to grant anyone exceptions on Kilo RC. I know people are angry with me, but regardless I saw this was an opportunity to continue to help people that were removed. | 16:49 |
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| hemna | thingee, +1 | 16:49 |
| ameade | thingee: what seems to be the important thing is we know the drivers work lol | 16:49 |
| thingee | regardless I'm very happy with progress we're all making | 16:49 |
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| zongliang | +1 | 16:49 |
| jungleboyj | Just to be clear, drivers have to be in on 4/6. We will continue to accept bugs until we cut for RC. | 16:50 |
| jungleboyj | Should we only merge targetted bug fixes? | 16:50 |
| thingee | and it's all thanks to driver maintainers getting their ci's ready to better openstack | 16:50 |
| thingee | and then people like jgriffith patrickeast and asselin helping others with their ci's | 16:50 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: +2 | 16:50 |
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| DuncanT | jungleboyj: Certainly you should -1 any bug fixes you think are high risk | 16:50 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT +1 | 16:51 |
| thingee | and i think we should all recognize asselin and anteaya for their hard work of the third party ci meetings and helping in infra channels with any issues people hit | 16:51 |
| thingee | also thanks to DuncanT for help in the channel with CI questions and being our liason as well! | 16:51 |
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| jordanP | yep ! | 16:52 |
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| thingee | ok anything else? | 16:52 |
| thingee | thingee: nope | 16:53 |
| xyang2 | thingee: for liberty, | 16:53 |
| xyang2 | thingee: do we require driver to have CI before merge? | 16:53 |
| thingee | xyang2: good question | 16:53 |
| xyang2 | thingee: by Liberty-1? | 16:53 |
| thingee | my thoughts are yes | 16:53 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: +1 | 16:53 |
| thingee | wanted to poll others what they thought | 16:53 |
| ameade | +1 | 16:53 |
| patrickeast | we should... no point going through the stress of another deadline like this | 16:53 |
| e0ne | +1 | 16:53 |
| xyang2 | I think it is better this way. so we don't have to remove them later | 16:54 |
| asselin | +1 | 16:54 |
| thingee | xyang2: agreed | 16:54 |
| jungleboyj | Agreed. Now that we have enforced the requirement, lets not do this again. | 16:54 |
| Swanson | I'd do new drivers the same way as kilo. Takes time to move big companies. | 16:54 |
| jungleboyj | Havea deadline. | 16:54 |
| thingee | I'd like to avoid another ML thread like this later | 16:54 |
| xyang2 | Swanson: I think we should not even merge drivers without CI, so we don't have to remove them | 16:54 |
| DuncanT | The thing is, we don't need to alter our plans for big companies... we just say no | 16:55 |
| thingee | #agreed in liberty, volume drivers are required to have a CI *before* merge | 16:55 |
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| thingee | #action thingee to update wiki with this information | 16:55 |
| thingee | #action thingee to make sure to send in beginning of L about volume driver plans | 16:55 |
| thingee | what about target drivers? | 16:55 |
| thingee | hemna: ^ | 16:55 |
| hemna | heh | 16:55 |
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| hemna | I think we need to talk about the plan to CI target drivers as well as the Fibre Channel Zone manager drivers (2 of them) in Vancouver | 16:56 |
| thingee | Target drivers are already setting up CI's for K-3...didn't even have to ask people :) | 16:56 |
| thingee | hemna: yes good ideas | 16:56 |
| thingee | hemna: anyone from brocade showing up? | 16:56 |
| hemna | I think brocade has said they are starting to look at their driver | 16:56 |
| thingee | hemna: also is there a proposed session? | 16:56 |
| hemna | but I don't know the status. haven't heard from Cisco at all. | 16:56 |
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| * asselin had a meeting with brocade on ci | 16:57 | |
| thingee | hemna: I don't think this needs to be in the fishbowl sessions. Doesn't need user input | 16:57 |
| hemna | thingee, agreed | 16:57 |
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| thingee | asselin: care to share? | 16:57 |
| hemna | I have also toyed with the idea of taking the FCZM out of cinder itself | 16:57 |
| hemna | and make it a lib. | 16:57 |
| hemna | dunno | 16:57 |
| thingee | hemna: brocade has started to look at their driver.... OK that's a start! | 16:57 |
| asselin | just gave them an overview.what it is, why, etc. | 16:57 |
| e0ne | 2min reminder | 16:58 |
| thingee | asselin: well received in your opinion? | 16:58 |
| asselin | thingee, yes | 16:58 |
| thingee | great | 16:58 |
| jungleboyj | That is good news. | 16:58 |
| thingee | progress! | 16:58 |
| thingee | #topic open discussion | 16:58 |
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| Liu | Hi all | 16:59 |
| Liu | For the drivers have been removed now, can I change the stack.sh script to add the removed driver before start c-volume in the CI? | 16:59 |
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| Liu | to test against the real storage backend | 16:59 |
| asselin | Liu, yes | 16:59 |
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| DuncanT | Liu: http://paste.openstack.org/show/196670/ was recommended earlier | 17:00 |
| thingee | thanks everyone | 17:00 |
| asselin | Liu, I posted this earlier which is one way to do that: http://paste.openstack.org/show/196670/ | 17:00 |
| thingee | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 25 17:00:06 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-03-25-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| Liu | asselin: thanks, so what I've dne is right | 17:00 |
| DuncanT | Liu: But editing stack.sh would also work | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-03-25-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-03-25-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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| spradeepv | Hi I am from brocade | 17:00 |
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| jungleboyj | Thanks everyone! | 17:00 |
| Liu | Thanks! | 17:00 |
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| notmyname | swift meeting time | 18:59 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 25 19:00:12 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 19:00 |
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| notmyname | who's here for the swift meeting? | 19:00 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 19:00 |
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| cschwede | o/ | 19:00 |
| tdasilva | hello | 19:00 |
| ho | hi | 19:00 |
| peluse | yo | 19:00 |
| kota_ | o/ | 19:00 |
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| notmyname | torgomatic: you here? | 19:01 |
| petertr7 | o/ | 19:01 |
| torgomatic | 🙋 | 19:01 |
| notmyname | ok, let's get started :-) | 19:02 |
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| jrichli | here | 19:02 |
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| notmyname | for this week, we're looking at EC status and the merge to master | 19:03 |
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| notmyname | #link http://goo.gl/uRzLBX | 19:03 |
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| notmyname | the starred patches there are the top things left for EC | 19:03 |
| cutforth | hello, i'm here | 19:03 |
| notmyname | so I want to go over them each | 19:03 |
| notmyname | #topic EC patches | 19:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "EC patches (Meeting topic: swift)" | 19:04 | |
| peluse | patchbot get ready | 19:04 |
| notmyname | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/167595/ | 19:04 |
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| notmyname | this one is for functesting and needs guidance for import loops | 19:04 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: jrichli: any comments on that one? | 19:04 |
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| tdasilva | no, not besides the need for help with the import statement | 19:05 |
| clayg | notmyname: it looks like tdasilva is also trying to push that over to master? | 19:05 |
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| clayg | tdasilva: I'm *great* at circular imports - what's going on? | 19:05 |
| * clayg thinks tdasilva might respond in other channel | 19:05 | |
| notmyname | code in the module is importing stuff form the __init__ | 19:06 |
| tdasilva | clayg: probably a good idea, right? | 19:06 |
| tdasilva | clayg: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/167595/2/test/functional/swift_test_client.py | 19:06 |
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| tdasilva | if we move the import statement to the top, it breaks :/ | 19:06 |
| tdasilva | AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'functional' | 19:07 |
| notmyname | I can help with this one if clayg is busy on other patches | 19:07 |
| cschwede | tdasilva: actually i’m working on some other ideas, i will try submit sth tomorrow morning | 19:07 |
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| notmyname | cschwede: on this patch? | 19:07 |
| tdasilva | cschwede, notmyname: ok | 19:07 |
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| cschwede | notmyname: yes, on this patch | 19:08 |
| clayg | cschwede: tdasilva: yeah it's just a circular import normally fixable with some shuffling of things to different modules | 19:08 |
| tdasilva | clayg: alright...i can also keep working on it | 19:08 |
| clayg | cschwede: sounds like tdasilva and I are going to suss it out after the meeting - if you wanna post a gist of what you've got now is probably the time | 19:08 |
| cschwede | clayg: give me a few minutes, checking if my idea makes sense | 19:09 |
| peluse | oooh, real time fix :) | 19:09 |
| notmyname | ok, sounds like there's a plan for that one. let's move on to the next patches | 19:09 |
| notmyname | cschwede: drop it in -swift | 19:09 |
| notmyname | next up to talk about | 19:09 |
| clayg | cschwede: you don't have to go do all that - just throw it over the wall - tdasilva and I will get whatever you're getting at | 19:09 |
| notmyname | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/164950/ | 19:09 |
| notmyname | clayg: this is your patch | 19:09 |
| notmyname | tell me more about it | 19:09 |
| notmyname | what does it need? what's next step? who's reviewing it? | 19:10 |
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| clayg | well like we did with the ECDiskFile we (I?) want to simplify the proxy changes for ec by moving the important stuff for PUT to the ECObjectController (like we've already done for GET) | 19:10 |
| clayg | peluse: tdasilva: and I have been talking about this one | 19:10 |
| notmyname | ok | 19:10 |
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| clayg | in particular there's a thing I'd like to change in PUT to try and send down the node-index sooner and it could be complicated - so it'll look better if we do it outside of the replicated PUT path | 19:11 |
| clayg | torgomatic: sorry everything you so gracefully tried to make flow through one code path is being ripped into two - but I think it'll acctually be better for both replicated and EC if these code paths are seperate - but simpler (more directly tuned to what's going on) | 19:12 |
| clayg | s/tried to make/successfully made/ | 19:12 |
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| notmyname | heh. and torgomatic just left the room at that comment ;-) | 19:12 |
| peluse | clayg, so I'm not clear on what you want to do with that patch as it stands now? wait til post beta? something smaller instead before beta? | 19:12 |
| tdasilva | lol | 19:12 |
| notmyname | peluse: good question | 19:12 |
| * clayg things it's a bad sign that torgomatic just walked out :P | 19:12 | |
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| peluse | ahhhh | 19:12 |
| clayg | peluse: I want to do it now! like today! after the diskfile the proxy was my target this week | 19:13 |
| clayg | peluse: I think it'll make next week go easier | 19:13 |
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| peluse | well allrighty then! | 19:13 |
| tdasilva | my 2cents.. I think we should land before ec. | 19:13 |
| notmyname | ok | 19:13 |
| notmyname | ok :-) | 19:13 |
| clayg | peluse: the only reason it's so big is because we already landed a bunch of stuff all up in the proxy's replicated PUT path that's EC specific! | 19:13 |
| peluse | so in the order of the current chain under review, right after those? | 19:13 |
| notmyname | (we'll get to that big chain in a moment) | 19:14 |
| clayg | well - did we already do everything up to the reconstructor? because that should be a higher priority than the proxy refactor | 19:14 |
| clayg | notmyname: it's getting smaller! | 19:14 |
| notmyname | :-) | 19:14 |
| peluse | clayg, almost, there's 2 that I D on I think | 19:14 |
| notmyname | ok, good to know. | 19:14 |
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| notmyname | we'll tackle this one right after the reconstructor chain lands | 19:15 |
| peluse | that's what I was thinking made sense | 19:15 |
| notmyname | ok, next up... | 19:15 |
| peluse | which means https://review.openstack.org/#/c/159637/25 right? | 19:15 |
| notmyname | not yet | 19:15 |
| notmyname | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/166576/ | 19:15 |
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| notmyname | multi range from torgomatic | 19:15 |
| peluse | ahhh, OK | 19:15 |
| torgomatic | works on my machine (tm) | 19:15 |
| notmyname | but there's another depending on that one | 19:16 |
| clayg | peluse: notmyname has his own way of doing things - it's best to just go with it | 19:16 |
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| peluse | heh | 19:16 |
| notmyname | clayg is learnign ;-) | 19:16 |
| peluse | torgomatic, I can bang on that next, I have some recon stuff to push that I need to wait on a few other things for | 19:16 |
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| clayg | torgomatic: peluse: I don't care about multi range gets - is that even requried to make functional tests pass? I'm not going to review it. Someone should tho. | 19:16 |
| notmyname | I want to see multi-range get in, but certainly lower priority | 19:16 |
| notmyname | what I'm concerned about is the dependet patch | 19:16 |
| peluse | well, maybe I won't then | 19:16 |
| notmyname | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/167406/ | 19:17 |
| clayg | see peluse needs to work on the reconstructor - i've got refactoring shit I need to get ready before I try to get this stuff on master | 19:17 |
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| peluse | yeah, OK | 19:17 |
| clayg | who has time to review *multi*-range GETS!? | 19:17 |
| clayg | ;P | 19:17 |
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| notmyname | it's p 167406 though | 19:17 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: tell me about that one | 19:17 |
| notmyname | patch 167406 | 19:17 |
| patchbot | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/167406/ | 19:17 |
| clayg | i like the commit title for patch 167406 a lot! | 19:17 |
| patchbot | clayg: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/167406/ | 19:17 |
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| mattoliverau | i'll review it | 19:17 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: thanks | 19:17 |
| clayg | mattoliverau: multi-range gets or the get path error handling? | 19:18 |
| peluse | but how much better is the question? | 19:18 |
| torgomatic | that one... so you've got this ECAppIter pulling in a bunch of streams from the object servers, and yielding up bytes for the client | 19:18 |
| clayg | peluse: any better is better - i'll take it | 19:18 |
| mattoliverau | multi-range.. but both really :) | 19:18 |
| clayg | torgomatic: oh yeah that one - yeah that one needs to land | 19:18 |
| clayg | mattoliverau: YES PLEASE! THANK YOU! | 19:18 |
| torgomatic | if one of those streams fails horribly, then the client connection should break. hanging forever is bad | 19:18 |
| notmyname | which mean multi-range is needed | 19:18 |
| torgomatic | hence the patch | 19:19 |
| clayg | torgomatic: yeah that sucks too hard - we need to merge that | 19:19 |
| notmyname | ok, so mattoliverau is on that chain. we'll need another too | 19:19 |
| clayg | *fine* | 19:19 |
| * clayg rolls eyes | 19:19 | |
| notmyname | lol | 19:19 |
| clayg | ;P | 19:19 |
| peluse | cschwede, was looking I think right? | 19:19 |
| torgomatic | 😝 | 19:19 |
| peluse | at least on the nd one | 19:19 |
| cschwede | yes | 19:19 |
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| notmyname | cschwede: thanks | 19:19 |
| clayg | notmyname: no we don't - if sam and torgomatic both like it I'll propose it to master - good enough for me | 19:19 |
| clayg | well mattoliverau and torgomatic | 19:20 |
| peluse | heh | 19:20 |
| notmyname | heh | 19:20 |
| clayg | whatever | 19:20 |
| notmyname | ok, we've got a plan there. next up | 19:20 |
| notmyname | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/143791/ | 19:20 |
| peluse | does that mean sam can +2 something and torgomatic approve it? | 19:20 |
| notmyname | this one is container sync with internal client | 19:20 |
| notmyname | it's like donagh and acoles | 19:20 |
| clayg | the container sync one is good - i touched it last - but I'll +2 it | 19:21 |
| notmyname | ok | 19:21 |
| clayg | I think torgomatic considered it reasonable enough too | 19:21 |
| torgomatic | yeah, I just don't have enough crap set up to functionally test container sycn | 19:21 |
| clayg | notmyname: yesterday I was hacking on fixing the account-reaper which has a similar issue - but that one I think is going to be different | 19:21 |
| notmyname | so why hasn't it landed? ;-) | 19:21 |
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| notmyname | ok | 19:21 |
| notmyname | again, I'm ok with a beta not having container sync, but it's certainly nice to have | 19:22 |
| clayg | torgomatic: just checkout vagrant-swift-all-in-one and set your localrc to have an ec policy - it's like two options - container sync (and the probetest for container sync) work out of the box | 19:22 |
| clayg | notmyname: i see no reason we can't merge it - it's minor | 19:22 |
| notmyname | kk, torgomatic will test it and approve when he's nice (after clayg's +2) | 19:22 |
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| notmyname | next up is... | 19:23 |
| notmyname | #link https://review.openstack.org/166754 | 19:23 |
| notmyname | kota_: this one is yours | 19:23 |
| notmyname | it has a merge conflict | 19:23 |
| kota_ | notmyname: ah, ok | 19:23 |
| notmyname | it's relatively small (compared to the others) | 19:23 |
| kota_ | yes | 19:23 |
| notmyname | kota_: what's the summary? why does this one need to be in? | 19:23 |
| peluse | yeah but this 'small' function can bust the ECrecon very easily which is why i asked nobody mess with it until after ECrecon is done since its working now | 19:24 |
| peluse | and this is a refactor, not a fix | 19:24 |
| kota_ | this is for ensuring .data includes index on ECDiskfile. | 19:24 |
| clayg | oh yeah only put the fi on the file name if it's a data file - that comes in somewhere else in the next change too (pretty sure) | 19:24 |
| clayg | kota_: yeah that ts_to_fname interface is not quite right | 19:24 |
| notmyname | ok, so needs to be after reconstructor? | 19:24 |
| kota_ | not urgent because it is for safety, I think. | 19:24 |
| notmyname | ok | 19:24 |
| notmyname | shall I un-star it? | 19:24 |
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| peluse | yeah, like I said in the comments... would like to ignore it until after ecrecon and all its D's are in | 19:24 |
| kota_ | notmyname: ya | 19:24 |
| clayg | kota_: we should just blow up hard if a ecdiskfilewriter can't add the fi to the datafile | 19:24 |
| clayg | no non-fi'd datafiles in ec - ever! | 19:25 |
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| peluse | rock on baby | 19:25 |
| clayg | peluse: wants the D's | 19:25 |
| notmyname | peluse: clayg: ok with un-staring it? | 19:25 |
| peluse | damn it | 19:25 |
| peluse | yes :) | 19:25 |
| clayg | lo*L* | 19:25 |
| peluse | but thanks kota_ :) | 19:25 |
| * clayg is having way to much fun | 19:26 | |
| clayg | must be all the stress | 19:26 |
| kota_ | peluse: no worries :) | 19:26 |
| clayg | notmyname: ok do the next one! | 19:26 |
| notmyname | ok, next (and last) patch chain | 19:26 |
| notmyname | #link https://review.openstack.org/159637 | 19:26 |
| notmyname | this is the big one | 19:26 |
| clayg | it's the reconstructor - so you know - that'd be nice to have :P | 19:26 |
| notmyname | where do we stand? | 19:26 |
| notmyname | ya, it's kinda important | 19:26 |
| clayg | acoles wants me to do a test audit on the suffix hash canges | 19:26 |
| clayg | seems reasonable | 19:26 |
| peluse | I think its in clayg court - auditing some tests? | 19:27 |
| peluse | oh, yeah | 19:27 |
| notmyname | ok, and it sounds like acoles is on it too | 19:27 |
| peluse | i think he's done | 19:27 |
| clayg | then the ssync changes are missing a bunch of tests IMHO - but some of them may just come in with reconstructor - not sure | 19:27 |
| cschwede | and me too | 19:27 |
| clayg | notmyname: yeah we're all over it | 19:27 |
| notmyname | however, acoles is out for another 12+ hours, so should someone else look | 19:27 |
| peluse | yes ssync is missing stuff | 19:27 |
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| clayg | I think I own the first one (multi-fi hash suffix) a diff - then it's back on the review train | 19:27 |
| peluse | acoles had some he was dusting off that we can add | 19:27 |
| cschwede | i will finish the review of that patch also in ~ 13-14 hrs | 19:27 |
| peluse | and then there some ec recon ssync changes that have no coverage I need to get in | 19:27 |
| notmyname | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/165188/ | 19:28 |
| notmyname | that's the dependent patch | 19:28 |
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| notmyname | that's the one that needs some help | 19:28 |
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| clayg | that one needs some tests - I think the mulit-fi stuff is getting *really* close - we're down to nits on the tests - i have that one under control I think | 19:29 |
| peluse | yeah, it needs full rebase after the one we just talked about it ready | 19:29 |
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| peluse | and then we're still missing GET specfici FI request capability, right clayg? | 19:29 |
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| notmyname | ok, I'd like to see the first one land soon so that we can get patch 165188 landed either today or tomorrow | 19:29 |
| patchbot | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/165188/ | 19:29 |
| peluse | did I read something right that you pulled that temporarly a few days aho? | 19:29 |
| clayg | I'll do that right after the meeting - with the one change I have ready for acoles - then if anyone with review bandwidth could start picking apart the pre-req ssync changes for the reconstrutor I think we're good | 19:29 |
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| notmyname | which would get us to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/131872/ -- the reconstructor itsekf | 19:30 |
| notmyname | so, peluse you're out for the rest of the week? how will we make progress? | 19:30 |
| peluse | yup, I have more tests to push but can't til my next D up is rebased | 19:30 |
| clayg | peluse: yeah I totally pulled that - it's not helpful - i've been talking with torgomatic about the probetests we need for handling those kinds of failures and we'll figure out what the code needs to do | 19:30 |
| peluse | sheeeeeeit | 19:30 |
| clayg | peluse: you can't leave | 19:30 |
| peluse | notmyname, the reconstructor is simple - the hard stuff is what was broken out that clayg and acoles have been working on :) | 19:31 |
| clayg | peluse: that's not true at all | 19:31 |
| notmyname | or take your computer on you 20th anniversary trip ;-) | 19:31 |
| peluse | great idea if I don't want to see my 21st :) | 19:31 |
| tdasilva | swift + wine sounds good | 19:31 |
| clayg | peluse: also there is a ton of prints and stuff in there - you need to start imaging we may want to merge that code at some point | 19:31 |
| notmyname | lol | 19:31 |
| peluse | I already took them out | 19:31 |
| peluse | just haven't pushed yet | 19:31 |
| clayg | peluse: ok :P | 19:31 |
| clayg | OHHHHHHkay | 19:31 |
| peluse | because of waiting on D rebase | 19:31 |
| kota_ | lol | 19:32 |
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| clayg | D == dependency (sp?) | 19:32 |
| peluse | yes | 19:32 |
| peluse | the word is too long for me :) | 19:32 |
| notmyname | peluse: ok, so if for the time you have left, you get that patch ready for others to take over this week, that would be awesome | 19:32 |
| notmyname | if there's anything else to do | 19:32 |
| peluse | well... | 19:32 |
| clayg | i mean i know that the code works - so it's just cleanup and fixups from reviews and stuff | 19:33 |
| peluse | I could the FI support patch (right above me) and then push what I have | 19:33 |
| clayg | when I was looking at it I found the tests suite sort of hard to follow/maintain (personally) | 19:33 |
| peluse | which one? | 19:33 |
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| clayg | peluse: obj.test_reconstructor (unittests) | 19:33 |
| clayg | peluse: the probetests are sorta great | 19:33 |
| peluse | yeah, I've cleaned them up a little but they could use some clayg magic wand work :) | 19:33 |
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| clayg | lol | 19:34 |
| notmyname | we know where we are on this patch chain? | 19:34 |
| clayg | tdasilva: you buying into that pharse - I feel it's more like I just seagull a bunch of other peoples hard work :\ | 19:34 |
| clayg | notmyname: yeah - *behind* | 19:34 |
| notmyname | heh | 19:34 |
| * notmyname feels clayg has his name on a lot of these :- | 19:35 | |
| notmyname | ) | 19:35 |
| clayg | and also freaking out about no peluse !!!!! | 19:35 |
| peluse | bah | 19:35 |
| peluse | 2 days! | 19:35 |
| clayg | peluse: sorry - tell me to shut up and get over it | 19:35 |
| peluse | well, 4 if you count Sat and Sun :) | 19:35 |
| clayg | notmyname: tell me that for peluse | 19:35 |
| notmyname | clayg: get back to work! | 19:35 |
| clayg | 'essir! | 19:35 |
| peluse | or come to rickhouse Thu at 4ish for a quick drink and I'll tell you in person | 19:36 |
| notmyname | ok, so for everyone, any questions on the outstanding work or what you need to be looking at? | 19:36 |
| clayg | peluse: tomorrow!? | 19:36 |
| * notmyname wants to make sure we make the most of the time | 19:36 | |
| peluse | yes! | 19:36 |
| clayg | lol that's great! | 19:36 |
| peluse | where else would I go on vacation but 1 block from swiftstack? | 19:36 |
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| tdasilva | haha | 19:36 |
| notmyname | everyone ok with the outstanding patches before we move on to the next topic? | 19:37 |
| peluse | phew | 19:37 |
| * clayg bets the next topic is still ec related | 19:37 | |
| peluse | FYI I'm going to rebase https://review.openstack.org/#/c/159637/25 now so I can push ECrecon latest (sorry last EC thing) | 19:38 |
| notmyname | clayg is right | 19:38 |
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| clayg | peluse: well do you have an hour? can you not do it *right* now? i was going to change p 159637 | 19:38 |
| peluse | OK, I'll wait :) | 19:38 |
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| clayg | peluse: well... i mean you can do it now - i'll rebase up the patch change to whatever you push | 19:38 |
| clayg | peluse: well just keep cleaning up whatever you've got going | 19:39 |
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| clayg | peluse: and give me a few | 19:39 |
| clayg | notmyname: ok go! | 19:39 |
| peluse | lol | 19:39 |
| notmyname | ok, next up (and yes still with EC) | 19:39 |
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| notmyname | the other thing I wanted to mention at the start | 19:39 |
| notmyname | right now, the feature/ec branch passes all functional tests!! | 19:39 |
| notmyname | that's really cool. huge progress | 19:40 |
| mattoliverau | woo | 19:40 |
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| peluse | well unless you have Ec as a default then I'm seeing 3 failures that look 'odd' | 19:40 |
| clayg | notmyname: that is HUGE - nice work torgomatic yuan et. al. | 19:40 |
| notmyname | peluse: works for me with EC as default | 19:40 |
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| tdasilva | peluse: mm..works for me too | 19:40 |
| peluse | OK, must be me then - ignore me | 19:40 |
| clayg | peluse: I think you might be out of date - they landed some stuff | 19:40 |
| * clayg ignores peluse the abandoner | 19:40 | |
| tdasilva | lol | 19:41 |
| notmyname | #topic merge to master | 19:41 |
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| notmyname | so there's still a lot to do before merge to master happens, but I wanted to touch on it briefly this week | 19:41 |
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| notmyname | the important points so far are this: | 19:41 |
| notmyname | 1) master will freeze during this process, so that there isn't unecessary merge conflicts | 19:42 |
| notmyname | 2) we'll refactor the feature/ec branch to a new patch chain that will be proposed | 19:42 |
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| notmyname | I'll -2 the first one to plug up the merge until it's ready | 19:42 |
| notmyname | then we'll all review the chain and add review votes. when everything is approved, we'll uplug it and let it go | 19:43 |
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| notmyname | I want to figure out if we can do it (like storage policies IIRC) as a single merge commit so that it's easy to see it being added as one commit | 19:43 |
| peluse | excellent | 19:44 |
| notmyname | 3) clayg will be point on doing the branching/rebasing patch chain magic | 19:44 |
| notmyname | thanks clayg | 19:44 |
| * peluse wishes he could give some sort of award to clayg for managing the merge chain | 19:44 | |
| kota_ | lol | 19:44 |
| notmyname | peluse: he accepts scotch | 19:44 |
| peluse | done! | 19:44 |
| clayg | whoa - nice | 19:45 |
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| kota_ | notmyname: How do we work at feature/ec branch during the process? | 19:45 |
| notmyname | kota_: we don't :-) | 19:45 |
| kota_ | notmyname: ok | 19:45 |
| clayg | people told storage policies merge could have been worse - i hope I can make ec at least that good | 19:45 |
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| tdasilva | so you are freezing both master and feature/ec, right? | 19:45 |
| peluse | we have to, yeah | 19:45 |
| clayg | kota_: but you can review the merge change - and even submit changes (espeically to the docs - which will be at the end) | 19:45 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: yes. feature/ec becomes a historical artifact | 19:45 |
| notmyname | yes, docs. I wanted to bring that up | 19:46 |
| clayg | historical - or hysterical ? | 19:46 |
| notmyname | yes :- | 19:46 |
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| tdasilva | heh | 19:46 |
| notmyname | ) | 19:46 |
| peluse | there's some doc already up there, I'll add/updeate when I get back | 19:46 |
| notmyname | thanks | 19:46 |
| peluse | it shall be done :) | 19:46 |
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| notmyname | I expect the merge to start on monday or tuesday. when the current patch chains get merged | 19:46 |
| * peluse likes docs for some reason even though he cant type for shit | 19:47 | |
| notmyname | monday is much better than tuesday, though | 19:47 |
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| notmyname | so looking forward, here's the schedule we have | 19:47 |
| clayg | peluse: yeah totally the docs are great! but we as individuals all sort of suck at docs - they were best when crowd sourced - so I'd really like to see everyone contributing to give us the best docs at the end of the chain | 19:47 |
| notmyname | this week, finish up feature/ec work | 19:47 |
| mattoliverau | monday is tuesady for me :P | 19:47 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: better if it's your monday ;-) | 19:47 |
| clayg | check out the patch - build the docs - make fixes as you go and git review +1 - in the end everyone should have their hands in them | 19:47 |
| notmyname | next week, start the merge to master | 19:47 |
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| peluse | clayg, good point - if anyone wants to add more doc content please feel free (don't think it has to be me) | 19:48 |
| notmyname | april 10 (which is only 2 weeks away!!) we shoot for a release candidate | 19:48 |
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| clayg | also vagrant-swift-all-in-one has an "autodoc" command that will rebuild the sphinx as you hack so you can review them in your browser - you should try it out! | 19:48 |
| notmyname | cool | 19:48 |
| peluse | does autodoc write them too? | 19:48 |
| mattoliverau | or just 'python setup.py build_sphinx' | 19:49 |
| mattoliverau | and look in the doc/build folder | 19:49 |
| notmyname | april 10 gives us a chance for an RC2 if needed | 19:49 |
| notmyname | and gives a chance for integrated testing across kilo | 19:50 |
| peluse | I think we should plan on an RC2 being needed | 19:50 |
| notmyname | the kilo release date is april 30 | 19:50 |
| peluse | and upside if its not | 19:50 |
| clayg | notmyname: +1 better to make the 10th with some trepidation and have a chance to rc2 on the 15th-20th or so | 19:50 |
| clayg | peluse: it sticks them into a public container on your saio | 19:50 |
| clayg | and prints out the url | 19:50 |
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| notmyname | so, any questions from anyone on the plan from here to april 30? | 19:50 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: quick dumb question: you said clayg will be a new patch chain to merge to master, but you also said that you would like to see it being added as one commit, how's that? seems contradictory? | 19:51 |
| clayg | mattoliverau: well you have to keep typing uparrow-enter after you save your changes - autodoc just watches the mtime on the source dirs - builds - and reuploads | 19:51 |
| clayg | it's great | 19:51 |
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| mattoliverau | cool | 19:51 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: reviewed as a patch chain, and ideally merged as one merge commit | 19:51 |
| clayg | tdasilva: i have no idea what he's talking about - he misremember's how storage policies went in | 19:51 |
| notmyname | lol | 19:51 |
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| clayg | tdasilva: maybe we can figure out how to do it better this time | 19:51 |
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| clayg | *maybe* i'm the one who's misremembering (but I dobut that - obviously) | 19:52 |
| cschwede | tdasilva: there are a bunch of commits from all authors, and one final merge commit in the git history | 19:52 |
| notmyname | near term point is that the patch chain will be submitted to gerrit for review | 19:52 |
| clayg | cschwede: *REALLY*? | 19:52 |
| cschwede | tdasilva: like these from jenkins: https://github.com/openstack/swift/commits/master | 19:52 |
| notmyname | clayg: how painful will the refactor for review work be? | 19:52 |
| notmyname | do you guess? | 19:52 |
| cschwede | clayg: iirc, yes | 19:52 |
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| clayg | "Merge storage policies feature commit chain into master" - how did we do that?! | 19:53 |
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| clayg | notmyname: I think it will drive me drinking! | 19:53 |
| notmyname | I can enable that :-) | 19:53 |
| clayg | notmyname: but it's mostly just tedious - trying to keep unittests and pep8 passing along the way | 19:53 |
| notmyname | ok | 19:53 |
| notmyname | anything else from anyone? | 19:54 |
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| cschwede | tdasilva: clayg: that was the SP merge: https://github.com/openstack/swift/commit/53d4d21 | 19:54 |
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| cschwede | so notmyname should know how he did this ;) | 19:55 |
| peluse | OK, later on people! | 19:55 |
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| jrichli | peluse: have fun! | 19:55 |
| peluse | thanks!! | 19:55 |
| clayg | ok, notmyname says he knows something I don't - I stand corrected | 19:55 |
| notmyname | thanks everyone | 19:55 |
| tdasilva | peluse: congrats!!! | 19:55 |
| notmyname | thanks for working on swift | 19:55 |
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| notmyname | #endmeeting | 19:55 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:55 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 25 19:55:49 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-03-25-19.00.html | 19:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-03-25-19.00.txt | 19:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-03-25-19.00.log.html | 19:55 |
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| asalkeld | #startmeeting heat | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 25 20:00:04 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is asalkeld. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:00 | |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 20:00 |
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| asalkeld | #topic rollcall | 20:00 |
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| stevebaker | \o | 20:00 |
| tspatzier | hi all | 20:00 |
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| ryansb | \o | 20:00 |
| jasond | o/ | 20:00 |
| Tango|2 | hi | 20:00 |
| dgonzalez | hi | 20:00 |
| asalkeld | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda | 20:00 |
| jruano | hi folks, new to openstack, looking to focus on heat project. just wanted to introduce myself | 20:00 |
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| asalkeld | hi jruano | 20:01 |
| stevebaker | jruano: hi! | 20:01 |
| asalkeld | #topic Adding items to the agenda | 20:01 |
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| skraynev_ | hey all | 20:01 |
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| asalkeld | any more topics for today? | 20:02 |
| skraynev_ | welcome jruano | 20:02 |
| pas-ha | o/ | 20:02 |
| jruano | thanks | 20:02 |
| stevebaker | I'll piggyback on the heat_integrationtests topic | 20:02 |
| asalkeld | ok, well i get started | 20:02 |
| asalkeld | #topic rc1 status | 20:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rc1 status (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:03 | |
| asalkeld | #link https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/kilo-rc1 | 20:03 |
| asalkeld | first bps | 20:03 |
| asalkeld | #link https://review.openstack.org/161306 | 20:03 |
| asalkeld | we need some reviews ^ | 20:03 |
| asalkeld | just one patch | 20:04 |
| asalkeld | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/mistral-resources-for-heat | 20:04 |
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| asalkeld | I have not gotten around to reviewing that - sorry | 20:04 |
| asalkeld | but i will | 20:04 |
| stevebaker | if they are in contrib they could land any time, not subject to feature freeze | 20:05 |
| stevebaker | (we should still review though) | 20:05 |
| asalkeld | stevebaker: yeah less of an issue | 20:05 |
| skraynev_ | stevebaker: yeah :) | 20:05 |
| skraynev_ | a lot of new lines :) | 20:05 |
| asalkeld | ok, so onto bugs | 20:05 |
| pas-ha | about skraynev's patch - can we catch zaneb to take a look? | 20:05 |
| pas-ha | as we discussed bug #1393268 is not that urgent, and I would not complete all the places until Kilo (too many unit tests rewrites), can be safely bumped to l-1 | 20:06 |
| openstack | bug 1393268 in heat "cleanup scheduler tasks in resources" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1393268 - Assigned to Pavlo Shchelokovskyy (pshchelo) | 20:06 |
| stevebaker | I wonder in the Big Tent world what criteria do we have for moving contrib resources to the main tree? | 20:06 |
| asalkeld | stevebaker: not sure, we need to check | 20:06 |
| stevebaker | the project moving to the openstack namespace I guess | 20:06 |
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| stevebaker | and the resource reaching some threshold of quality | 20:06 |
| pas-ha | I would think so, but that means incubated in old terms too | 20:06 |
| asalkeld | main issue is putting the cient in global requirements | 20:06 |
| asalkeld | client | 20:07 |
| stevebaker | lets talk about that at summit | 20:07 |
| pas-ha | how about we demand version >=1? | 20:07 |
| pas-ha | but then heat is out of picture... | 20:07 |
| asalkeld | pas-ha: i don't think that is a useful benchmark | 20:07 |
| asalkeld | so we have a lot of bugs | 20:08 |
| asalkeld | we need to fix them! | 20:08 |
| pas-ha | sure, just dumping ideas on how to measure maturity and stability(?) of clients | 20:08 |
| stevebaker | pas-ha: do you think bug 1393268 can be done in rc1? | 20:09 |
| openstack | bug 1393268 in heat "cleanup scheduler tasks in resources" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1393268 - Assigned to Pavlo Shchelokovskyy (pshchelo) | 20:09 |
| pas-ha | stevebaker, ^^^^^ some lines above | 20:09 |
| pas-ha | don't think so | 20:09 |
| stevebaker | ah, ok | 20:09 |
| asalkeld | pas-ha: i'll move from rc1 | 20:09 |
| pas-ha | (y) | 20:10 |
| asalkeld | one note about bugs | 20:10 |
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| asalkeld | what's in rc1 are blockers | 20:10 |
| asalkeld | and here:https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bugs?field.tag=kilo-rc-potential | 20:10 |
| asalkeld | are nice to haves | 20:10 |
| asalkeld | so if you are looking for a bug to fix pull from there too | 20:10 |
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| asalkeld | i'll move on | 20:11 |
| skraynev_ | asalkeld: I uploaded raw fix for https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1428434 | 20:11 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1428434 in heat "Stack deletion failed for the subnet" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Sergey Kraynev (skraynev) | 20:11 |
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| asalkeld | nice skraynev_ thanks | 20:12 |
| asalkeld | #topic make heat_integration tests more independent from Heat tree (pas-ha) | 20:12 |
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| skraynev_ | stevebaker: https://review.openstack.org/167782 need your opinion , also I will add normal tests | 20:12 |
| stevebaker | kk | 20:12 |
| skraynev_ | stevebaker: thx | 20:12 |
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| asalkeld | pas-ha: $topic | 20:12 |
| pas-ha | so the small idea was to decouple the tests a bit, at least give them their own requirements.txt and modify tox job to use it | 20:13 |
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| pas-ha | would decrease somewhat the tox env init | 20:13 |
| pas-ha | and also make it easier for third parties to package it separately | 20:13 |
| asalkeld | pas-ha: so the idea is to make it smaller/ | 20:13 |
| pas-ha | yes | 20:13 |
| pas-ha | currently we need only clients and testtools+stuff | 20:14 |
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| pas-ha | ideally we could go as far as making it a git submodule :) | 20:14 |
| asalkeld | i am quite enjoying it in tree | 20:15 |
| stevebaker | being able to have a heat feature and the test in the same change series is nice | 20:15 |
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| pas-ha | well, with submodules it will still be, but as I said that's a long shot | 20:15 |
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| pas-ha | stevebaker, agree, strike submodule idea | 20:15 |
| asalkeld | but i have no problem with a new tox target | 20:15 |
| stevebaker | and having the attention of heat cores speeds reviews. Any repo which isn't heat is a bit of a ghetto | 20:16 |
| stevebaker | pas-ha: but if it weren't for those two things I'd be totally for breaking it out | 20:16 |
| pas-ha | stevebaker, tru, even the client suffers | 20:16 |
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| pas-ha | what if we also give it a setup.cfg, as for contrib plugins? | 20:17 |
| asalkeld | pas-ha: so the main use case for this is validating a standalone installation? | 20:17 |
| stevebaker | I'd like to see the tempest folk come up with some kind of story about how in-tree tests get brought together into a test suite. I was hoping tempest-lib will play a role here. We probably shouldn't do our own thing until there is a common solution <- mtreinish | 20:17 |
| skraynev_ | stevebaker: I suppose, that root cause was to add ability launch our integration tests against any installed Heat (i.e. have different package and avoid additional "test requirements") | 20:17 |
| skraynev_ | asalkeld: ^ | 20:18 |
| stevebaker | skraynev_: that seems reasonable. maybe a heat_integrationtests/requirements.txt | 20:18 |
| asalkeld | ok | 20:18 |
| pas-ha | not only, there is growing number of cloud validation projects, and they try collect every tools/test frameworks they find | 20:18 |
| asalkeld | maybe a mailing list discussion on the best way forward | 20:18 |
| skraynev_ | stevebaker: +1 | 20:18 |
| pas-ha | ok, will do | 20:19 |
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| asalkeld | as stevebaker suggested we want to do this in a consistent way | 20:19 |
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| stevebaker | I've got a few testing topics to talk about | 20:19 |
| asalkeld | #topic testing | 20:19 |
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| stevebaker | we're now using this image instead of pristine fedora. http://tarballs.openstack.org/heat-test-image/ | 20:20 |
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| pas-ha | my smallest target was separate requirements seems we agree on that :) | 20:20 |
| stevebaker | It gets rebuilt and uploaded every time a heat-templates change is merged. BUT... | 20:20 |
| skraynev_ | pas-ha: yeah. small victory | 20:20 |
| skraynev_ | :-) | 20:20 |
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| stevebaker | the upload is not atomic, so a CI job may download a corrupt image during an upload. I don't think it will happen often, its just something to keep in mind when doing a recheck | 20:21 |
| pas-ha | stevebaker, on every commit or only on elements change? | 20:21 |
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| asalkeld | #action pas-ha send a message to mailing list to discuss way forward to do external functional tests | 20:21 |
| stevebaker | pas-ha: every commit, because that queue doesn't have a file filter thingy | 20:22 |
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| pas-ha | strange, that should as easy as git-merge hook | 20:22 |
| stevebaker | eventually we can switch to swift instead of tarballs.o.o. This will be atomic, and will likely be in a queue which does have a file filter | 20:22 |
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| asalkeld | stevebaker: so upload a small "lock" file busy.uploading | 20:23 |
| asalkeld | and trash it after | 20:23 |
| pas-ha | what exactly would be manifests of corrupted image? | 20:23 |
| stevebaker | asalkeld: I was working on a solution for tarballs.o.o but was told to try swift | 20:24 |
| pas-ha | i meant some specific failures we might elastic recheck on? | 20:24 |
| asalkeld | ok | 20:24 |
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| stevebaker | pas-ha: failures on tests which boot image_ref I assume | 20:25 |
| pas-ha | I mean the image would not boot or there might be deeper problems (like it boots but cloud-init/sc/sd not working etc) | 20:26 |
| pas-ha | ? | 20:26 |
| stevebaker | Also, we may need separate integration and functional jobs at some point. 60 minutes is long enough. The functional job should in theory run on a minimal devstack (heat+keystone) | 20:26 |
| asalkeld | jogo: you about? | 20:27 |
| pas-ha | right now there is one functional test that boots cirros | 20:27 |
| stevebaker | pas-ha: hmm, we should fix that | 20:27 |
| pas-ha | (id does not wait for completion though, just exits when stack is create_in_progress) | 20:27 |
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| asalkeld | stevebaker: jogo was talking about that in #heat a moment ago | 20:28 |
| pas-ha | AFAIR it is "validation" test | 20:28 |
| stevebaker | pas-ha: seems like a mock server nested stack would do | 20:28 |
| pas-ha | stevebaker, probably | 20:28 |
| stevebaker | asalkeld: I'll read the backscroll laster | 20:28 |
| stevebaker | later | 20:28 |
| jogo | asalkeld: o/ | 20:28 |
| asalkeld | jogo: we are mostly talking about what you suggested | 20:29 |
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| jogo | asalkeld: in short because heat is more 'on top' of the compute layer instead of in it. no reason to really run compute API tests on heat etc. | 20:29 |
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| asalkeld | jogo: we have 2 fairly distinct tests | 20:29 |
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| asalkeld | what we call "functional" | 20:29 |
| asalkeld | could just run keystone and heat | 20:30 |
| stevebaker | jogo: I think you're talking removing all heat tests from tempest, that is another thing which needs to happen | 20:30 |
| asalkeld | then scenario that need all the things | 20:30 |
| jogo | stevebaker: well short term, just moving around where the tempest heat tests get run | 20:30 |
| jogo | long term yes | 20:30 |
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| jogo | stevebaker: but we can add a job tempest-dsvm-heat | 20:30 |
| jogo | stevebaker: that runs a subset of tempest | 20:31 |
| jogo | and stop running tempest-full on heat patches | 20:31 |
| asalkeld | jogo: seems fine | 20:31 |
| jogo | along with stop installing heat by default in all devstack-gate jobs | 20:31 |
| stevebaker | yep, that would be nice | 20:31 |
| pas-ha | +1 | 20:31 |
| jogo | (since we won't be calling it) | 20:31 |
| asalkeld | jogo: makes sense | 20:31 |
| jogo | cool, I'll start working on that, and include you on the reviews | 20:31 |
| asalkeld | thanks | 20:32 |
| jogo | thank you | 20:32 |
| stevebaker | jogo: as an aside, I'd be tempted to replace the tempest heat API tests with gabbi tests | 20:32 |
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| asalkeld | stevebaker: those could be in-tree couldn't they? | 20:33 |
| stevebaker | asalkeld: yes | 20:33 |
| asalkeld | alongside our functional | 20:33 |
| jogo | stevebaker: even better | 20:33 |
| ryansb | stevebaker: that'd be pretty neat | 20:33 |
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| pas-ha | omg, yaml everywhere :) | 20:33 |
| stevebaker | gabbi looks nice, but probably needs a couple of features to support IN_PROGRESS->COMPLETE state changes | 20:34 |
| asalkeld | ok | 20:34 |
| asalkeld | (i haven't looked into it) | 20:34 |
| stevebaker | #link http://tarballs.openstack.org/heat-test-image/ | 20:35 |
| stevebaker | arg | 20:35 |
| stevebaker | #link http://gabbi.readthedocs.org/en/latest/ | 20:35 |
| asalkeld | #topic open discussion | 20:35 |
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| asalkeld | jasond: you around | 20:35 |
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| jasond | asalkeld: hey | 20:35 |
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| asalkeld | inc0 was suggesting you *could* use glance to tag resource instances | 20:36 |
| asalkeld | is that possible? | 20:36 |
| asalkeld | or is that code still not in | 20:36 |
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| asalkeld | (the glance fancy tagging) | 20:36 |
| jasond | hm, so propagate the heat tags to glance? | 20:36 |
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| asalkeld | well you just tag in glance | 20:37 |
| asalkeld | and use them in heat | 20:37 |
| asalkeld | so no need for tags api | 20:37 |
| Tango|2 | :q | 20:37 |
| jasond | oh, instead of heat | 20:37 |
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| asalkeld | jasond: so i really have not looked into it | 20:37 |
| asalkeld | so don't be alarmed | 20:37 |
| asalkeld | just bringing up what he suggested | 20:38 |
| pas-ha | not sure, I was under impression that those tags are for glance artifacts | 20:38 |
| pas-ha | not "tags as a service" | 20:38 |
| asalkeld | pas-ha: inc0 suggested you could tag an api instance | 20:38 |
| asalkeld | maybe that's wrong, i honestly not sure | 20:39 |
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| jasond | asalkeld: will run it by randall | 20:39 |
| asalkeld | jasond: i wouldn't stop what you are doing, just maybe ask someone | 20:39 |
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| asalkeld | jasond: thanks, nice to dispel that | 20:39 |
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| asalkeld | anything else? | 20:41 |
| asalkeld | #endmeeting | 20:42 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:42 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 25 20:42:21 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:42 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-03-25-20.00.html | 20:42 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-03-25-20.00.txt | 20:42 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-03-25-20.00.log.html | 20:42 |
| asalkeld | thanks everyone | 20:42 |
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