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| EmilienM | hello | 13:59 |
| xingchao | hi | 13:59 |
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| sbadia | o/ | 13:59 |
| EmilienM | crinkle is not here today, I take the chair :-) | 13:59 |
| dprince | hello | 13:59 |
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| EmilienM | #startmeeting puppet-openstack | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 19 14:00:01 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is EmilienM. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: puppet-openstack)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'puppet_openstack' | 14:00 |
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| EmilienM | #topic Review past actions | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review past actions (Meeting topic: puppet-openstack)" | 14:00 | |
| EmilienM | puppet-group members list has been updated and the communication has been done | 14:01 |
| fc__ | ohai _o/ | 14:01 |
| EmilienM | bogdando: can you give a status about RabbitMQ server class deprecation? | 14:01 |
| sbadia | pacemaker provider for HA services merged | 14:01 |
| sbadia | #link https://review.openstack.org/136708 | 14:01 |
| EmilienM | sbadia: wait a sec :-) | 14:01 |
| sbadia | sorry :) | 14:01 |
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| EmilienM | so it seems like crinkle and bogdando worked on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/144745/ and it has been merged | 14:02 |
| EmilienM | that means from now, you can avoid installing RabbitMQ server and if you install it, you have a pretty deprecation message. | 14:02 |
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| EmilienM | openstackclient patches have been merged and backported | 14:03 |
| EmilienM | I tested them and found a bug (already fixed & backported when running SSL) | 14:03 |
| sbadia | (in juno) | 14:03 |
| EmilienM | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/puppet-keystone/+bug/1412309 | 14:03 |
| bogdando | hello | 14:03 |
| EmilienM | bogdando: hey | 14:03 |
| sbadia | hi | 14:03 |
| bogdando | the status of rabbitmq server class is - Nova patch for rabbitmq class was merged https://review.openstack.org/144745 ; Cinder patch on review (cherry-picked from nova) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/147420/ | 14:04 |
| EmilienM | great thing. Thanks | 14:04 |
| bogdando | I found no more links to this class | 14:04 |
| EmilienM | they will be part of regular reviews | 14:04 |
| bogdando | and please, since we have now pacemaker provider for HA services merged, it would make sense to merge its spec as well | 14:05 |
| EmilienM | +1 | 14:05 |
| EmilienM | I already +2 | 14:05 |
| bogdando | which is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104861/ | 14:05 |
| EmilienM | sbadia: can you have a look? | 14:05 |
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| bogdando | I addressed Collen's comments | 14:05 |
| sbadia | EmilienM: yup, sure | 14:05 |
| EmilienM | great | 14:05 |
| bogdando | so, thats it from me | 14:06 |
| EmilienM | crinkle has some actions to send emails to ML | 14:06 |
| EmilienM | about OPS mid-cycle for example | 14:06 |
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| EmilienM | mfisch: do you know something? | 14:06 |
| dvorak | I thnk he's out, it's a holiday for us | 14:06 |
| EmilienM | oh yes. Makes sense | 14:07 |
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| EmilienM | dvorak: thx | 14:07 |
| dvorak | I just happened to be sitting at my computer when the reminder popped up about the meeting :) | 14:07 |
| EmilienM | #topic Vancouver summit | 14:07 |
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| EmilienM | #action EmilienM to continue the work on a proposal with mfisch and mdorman https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/puppet-vancouver-summit-proposal | 14:08 |
| EmilienM | if someone has some actions/comments, it's time now | 14:08 |
| EmilienM | okay | 14:08 |
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| EmilienM | #topic Pacemaker work | 14:09 |
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| EmilienM | bogdando: o/ | 14:09 |
| bogdando | EmilienM, o/ | 14:09 |
| EmilienM | bogdando: so your first patch has been merged | 14:09 |
| EmilienM | #link https://review.openstack.org/136708 | 14:10 |
| EmilienM | what's coming next? | 14:10 |
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| bogdando | since we have now pacemaker provider for HA services merged, it would make sense to merge its spec as well, which is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104861/ | 14:11 |
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| AmirBaleghi | #tehlug | 14:11 |
| EmilienM | bogdando: yes, it will be reviewed asap. What's next in term of puppet? | 14:11 |
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| bogdando | and according to the spec, the next steps are Create a basic HA wrapper classes shipped with a generic OCF scripts for160 | 14:12 |
| bogdando | the cluster resources definition and an option to specify a custom OCF161 | 14:12 |
| bogdando | scripts as well. | 14:12 |
| EmilienM | bogdando: great. Are you going to work on it? Do you need any help? | 14:13 |
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| bogdando | I guess these should be a separated action items. But there would be issues with generic OCF scripts | 14:13 |
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| EmilienM | #action bogdando to create a basic HA wrapper class with generic OCF scripts | 14:14 |
| bogdando | bogdando, well, I'm not sure I will be able to make this items for now. May be then we will do the same for Fuel 7.x release, I will be able to participate as well | 14:14 |
| EmilienM | ok | 14:15 |
| EmilienM | bogdando: anything alse to add ? | 14:15 |
| bogdando | But I hope the docs + examples provided for provider should be enough for every one to strat it rigth now | 14:15 |
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| EmilienM | ok | 14:15 |
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| bogdando | actually, we could add the docs part from step 3 to make it even more simple task | 14:16 |
| EmilienM | bogdando: can you create an #action? | 14:16 |
| bogdando | ok | 14:16 |
| bogdando | #action bogdando Describe in documentation how HA provider could be used with Puppet modules | 14:17 |
| EmilienM | awesome | 14:17 |
| EmilienM | sbadia: do you see any topic else? | 14:17 |
| sbadia | hum, no for this topic | 14:17 |
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| EmilienM | #topic keystone v3 | 14:18 |
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| EmilienM | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/146926/ | 14:18 |
| EmilienM | Rich and I are working on first domain support in puppet-keystone | 14:18 |
| EmilienM | it's WIP, but we make good progress | 14:18 |
| EmilienM | sbadia: my question was more "do you see another topic I did not mention yet ?" :-) | 14:19 |
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| sbadia | EmilienM: no, I've just a topic, but for open questions | 14:20 |
| EmilienM | ok | 14:20 |
| EmilienM | #topic open-discussion | 14:20 |
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| EmilienM | sbadia: go ahead! | 14:21 |
| bogdando | I have a question | 14:21 |
| AmirBaleghi | hello every one | 14:21 |
| bogdando | which exactly docs should I use for my action items? | 14:21 |
| AmirBaleghi | I have one question too | 14:22 |
| EmilienM | bogdando: in the repo itself, take a look at other puppet modules how they work | 14:22 |
| EmilienM | usually a README is good | 14:22 |
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| EmilienM | bogdando: take a look at https://github.com/stackforge/puppet-neutron/blob/master/README.md | 14:23 |
| EmilienM | you have some doc there, and you may want to do the same for your patches in puppet openstack extras | 14:23 |
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| bogdando | EmilienM, unterstood | 14:24 |
| EmilienM | ok | 14:24 |
| AmirBaleghi | do u have problem with neutron in dnsmasq ? my dns server hang after some hours and I should be restart it . after restart all is ok but it repeat after .... | 14:24 |
| EmilienM | AmirBaleghi: how is it related to puppet modules? | 14:25 |
| AmirBaleghi | no i do think | 14:25 |
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| EmilienM | AmirBaleghi: sounds like you may want to go to another channel for asking support | 14:25 |
| AmirBaleghi | i don't use puppet | 14:25 |
| EmilienM | AmirBaleghi: #openstack is a good one for that | 14:25 |
| EmilienM | AmirBaleghi: we are in the middle of a meeting right now. | 14:26 |
| AmirBaleghi | aha... ok ... thanks... | 14:26 |
| EmilienM | 2 minutes left for questions / open discussion | 14:26 |
| EmilienM | then I think we can close the meeting for today | 14:27 |
| sbadia | ok for me | 14:27 |
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| EmilienM | ok | 14:27 |
| EmilienM | thank you guys, have a great time | 14:28 |
| EmilienM | #endmeeting | 14:28 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 19 14:28:39 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:28 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2015/puppet_openstack.2015-01-19-14.00.html | 14:28 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2015/puppet_openstack.2015-01-19-14.00.txt | 14:28 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2015/puppet_openstack.2015-01-19-14.00.log.html | 14:28 |
| sbadia | thanks! | 14:29 |
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| anteaya | #startmeeting third-party | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 19 15:00:51 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 15:00 |
| anteaya | hello | 15:01 |
| anteaya | anyone here for the third-party meeting? | 15:01 |
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| wznoinsk | hi anteaya | 15:08 |
| anteaya | hello wznoinsk | 15:08 |
| anteaya | I don't believe we have met before | 15:08 |
| anteaya | welcome | 15:08 |
| wznoinsk | we haven't, pleased to meet you | 15:08 |
| anteaya | likewise | 15:08 |
| anteaya | what is on your mind today? | 15:08 |
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| wznoinsk | I'm setting up a 3rd party CI here and I wonder is there a prefered hosting solution for the yet-to-come infra-ci-suite - ideally I would you the same one if there's any preference | 15:09 |
| anteaya | hosting solution | 15:10 |
| wznoinsk | for the artifacts | 15:10 |
| anteaya | as in what os to use? | 15:10 |
| anteaya | ah | 15:10 |
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| anteaya | well we support you setting up an apache server that serves the logs | 15:10 |
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| anteaya | at one point asselin_ offered a patch to make that a generic setup for folks | 15:11 |
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| anteaya | but I do believe that we felt that having a generic setup for a log server wouldn't actually be that generic | 15:11 |
| anteaya | and setup up an apache server already has a puppet module | 15:12 |
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| anteaya | so we would just be duplicating what already exists | 15:12 |
| anteaya | if that makes sense | 15:12 |
| wznoinsk | sure, while it's everyone's own preference I think it's easier to use some cloud provider to keep your logs there | 15:12 |
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| anteaya | if you like | 15:12 |
| wznoinsk | it does and I do agree that the suite should be able to do that for you - like it will with apache | 15:13 |
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| wznoinsk | from operational/maintenance point of view other options should be considered I guess - but that's again preference | 15:13 |
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| wznoinsk | sorry, I misread the puppet/apache line... | 15:14 |
| anteaya | I found ramy's patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138913/ | 15:14 |
| anteaya | I mis-remembered seems the hold up is finding the right place for the code | 15:15 |
| anteaya | but if you like you could pull down the patch and use the code | 15:15 |
| anteaya | if you do so, comments on how the code works for you would be helpful | 15:16 |
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| wznoinsk | so far we have jenkins/gerrit trigger aiming to run in lxc containers with some external logs hosting but I'll keep an eye on the infra ci suite for sure | 15:18 |
| anteaya | wznoinsk: terrific thank you | 15:18 |
| anteaya | would be glad to have your contributions here | 15:18 |
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| anteaya | how is your current set up working for you? | 15:18 |
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| wznoinsk | as for its early stages quite good, I reckon its way simpler to setup a CI now than it was some time ago (judging from the size of jaypipe's guides), gerrit trigger plugin in Jenkins doing significant portion of work for you and for simple setup you don't need Zuul | 15:21 |
| anteaya | glad to hear you are getting good results | 15:21 |
| anteaya | as for way simpler, well I think there are more people involved so more folks with experience falling down holes | 15:22 |
| anteaya | there are efforts to make the tools easier to consume | 15:22 |
| anteaya | but it is still a commitment to operate a CI system | 15:22 |
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| wznoinsk | I wonder is there any place I could get the gerrit stream stats from? like how many patchsets/comments per day/week/month on a project was created? | 15:24 |
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| anteaya | well gerrit 2.8 has a REST API: https://review.openstack.org/Documentation/rest-api.html | 15:25 |
| anteaya | you might get some of the things you are looking for from that | 15:25 |
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| anteaya | wznoinsk: did you create your CI account yourself using launchpad? | 15:27 |
| wznoinsk | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ThirdPartySystems/Intel-Networking-CI | 15:27 |
| anteaya | thanks for sharing your wikipage, it looks good | 15:28 |
| anteaya | did you create your CI account using launchpad? | 15:28 |
| wznoinsk | yes, self-driven | 15:28 |
| anteaya | great | 15:28 |
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| anteaya | you should also be able to query gerrit via ssh: https://review.openstack.org/Documentation/user-search.html | 15:29 |
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| wznoinsk | thanks for that, I'll see what I can get from there | 15:30 |
| anteaya | great | 15:30 |
| anteaya | if you end up with something useful | 15:30 |
| anteaya | sweston is working on radar | 15:30 |
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| anteaya | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/stackforge/radar/ | 15:30 |
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| anteaya | he is looking for queries that folks find useful | 15:31 |
| anteaya | to add to the dashboard | 15:31 |
| sweston | anteaya: thanks! | 15:33 |
| anteaya | sweston: welcome | 15:33 |
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| sweston | If anyone has any queries, please feel free to chat with me on IRC | 15:34 |
| wznoinsk | sweston: hi there | 15:34 |
| sweston | wznoinsk: hi | 15:35 |
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| wznoinsk | the stats I'm looking for would be useful when planning a new CI system, to have rough idea how many patchets/build the CI would have to deal with, not sure whether these stats be useful at any later stages | 15:35 |
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| sweston | wznoinsk: interesting... Yes I imagine they would be useful in a planning context | 15:36 |
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| wznoinsk | I can get away with my gerrit stream log for now, so I'll leave it with you whether you find it useful to be in the Radar | 15:39 |
| sweston | wznoinsk: I will incorporate it, yes I think it will be useful | 15:40 |
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| wznoinsk | cool, looking forward to it | 15:41 |
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| anteaya | I think that wraps it up for this meeting | 15:50 |
| anteaya | thanks wznoinsk and sweston for your participation | 15:50 |
| anteaya | see you next week | 15:50 |
| anteaya | #endmeeting | 15:50 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 19 15:50:33 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-01-19-15.00.html | 15:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-01-19-15.00.txt | 15:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-01-19-15.00.log.html | 15:50 |
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| rakhmerov | #startmeeting Mistral | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 19 16:00:50 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rakhmerov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mistral' | 16:00 |
| rakhmerov | hi | 16:00 |
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| akuznetsova | hi | 16:01 |
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| rakhmerov | how's it going? | 16:02 |
| akuznetsova | not good | 16:02 |
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| NikolayM | hi ! | 16:02 |
| rakhmerov | hi | 16:03 |
| rakhmerov | akuznetsova, what happened? | 16:03 |
| rakhmerov | anything serious? | 16:03 |
| akuznetsova | rakhmerov, I stuck with my commit to Rally | 16:03 |
| NikolayM | akuznetsova, :( | 16:03 |
| rakhmerov | ooh!! | 16:03 |
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| rakhmerov | that's ok, don't hurry with that | 16:04 |
| dzimine | hi all | 16:04 |
| rakhmerov | hi | 16:05 |
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| rakhmerov | let's start | 16:05 |
| akuznetsova | rakhmerov, we discussed some ideas with Boris, today he founded another solution and I have to rewrite part of my code | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | ok, I see | 16:05 |
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| rakhmerov | let us know if you need help, don't struggle alone in the dark ) | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Current status (progress, issues, roadblocks, further plans) | 16:06 |
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| rakhmerov | let's quickly let each other know our statuses | 16:06 |
| akuznetsova | I am working on my commit to Rally, fix Boris's comments | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | my status: Last week we had several meetings with Dmitri on a number of problems they faced with Mistral, I completed a part of "Secure Access" BP (patches on review), today I was also trying to fix problems occurring in environment tests (still in progress) | 16:07 |
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| bhavenst | anybody here? :) | 16:09 |
| akuznetsova | yes | 16:09 |
| rakhmerov | yep | 16:09 |
| rakhmerov | hi Bryan, nice to "see" you again here | 16:09 |
| bhavenst | OK, just a little quiet | 16:09 |
| bhavenst | Hi, yeah same | 16:09 |
| dzimine | my status: last week I investigated ‘result->output->published data’ transformation and discovered some problems there, discussed with Renat; this week I target to begin fixing some of them. | 16:09 |
| rakhmerov | everyone is still trying to wake up after New Year holidays :) | 16:10 |
| rakhmerov | especially in Russia :) | 16:10 |
| NikolayM | status: worked on with-items, especially on concurrency policy and its implementation for with-items, already worked fine but I still have few issues | 16:10 |
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| rakhmerov | ok | 16:10 |
| bhavenst | So far have looked into webhooks and ceilometer triggering for heat a bit to see how they do it. Haven't started yet though. Will soon. | 16:10 |
| rakhmerov | alright | 16:11 |
| dzimine | Also, prototyped catching errors and reportign exceptions in engine (to solve the problem of tasks/workflows stuck in “RUNNING” state when some exceptios happen. Got stuck there because the desired behavior is not clear. | 16:11 |
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| rakhmerov | yeah, we probably need to talk about that separately | 16:11 |
| dzimine | @m4dcoder: Winson are you here? | 16:12 |
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| dzimine | I know that Winson was building workflows and discoered / fixed bugs and problems there as he moved on. | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:13 |
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| rakhmerov | dzimine, do you know what his status is on environment BP? | 16:14 |
| dzimine | he’ll be pushing his local fixes upstream hopefully this week - we didn’t have a chance to sync up | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | is there something left on that? | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | ok, I see | 16:14 |
| dzimine | AFAIK environment BP first part is done, what’s left is ‘default variables’. | 16:14 |
| dzimine | for tasks. | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | yes, ok | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | that was pretty much my understanding as well | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | guys, do you see any roadblocks in your work that you'd like to discuss right now? | 16:15 |
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| rakhmerov | #action dzimine, clarify Winson's status on "Environment" BP | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | ok, let's proceed | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | #topic "Kilo-2" scope and blueprints | 16:17 |
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| rakhmerov | I'd like to discuss Kilo-2 scope again a little bit | 16:17 |
| dzimine | is nmakhotkin around? | 16:17 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:17 |
| rakhmerov | he's here | 16:17 |
| dzimine | may be I missed nikolay’s status update? | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | he reported it | 16:18 |
| dzimine | damn sorry here it is! | 16:18 |
| dzimine | :) | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | :) np | 16:18 |
| NikolayM | yes :) | 16:19 |
| rakhmerov | ok, so the reason I'd like to pay a little bit of our attention to Kilo-2 scope again is that I talked to Dmitri last week :) | 16:19 |
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| rakhmerov | and after those conversations I came to conclusion that we should probably move some of the BPs to the next milestone | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | just because we now see much more important things | 16:20 |
| dzimine | blocking bugs, mainly. | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:20 |
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| dzimine | this is what we have so far: https://launchpad.net/mistral/+milestone/kilo-2 | 16:21 |
| rakhmerov | unfortunately, we still need to work through that and build the full list of urgent bugs | 16:21 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:21 |
| rakhmerov | what we could do now is to take a look at this page and suggest what we can get rid of (for now) | 16:22 |
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| rakhmerov | one thing that I'd like to say over and over again is: we should forget about "half-done" solutions, quality is our highest priority now | 16:23 |
| rakhmerov | ok, let's vote | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | I think https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-non-distributable-actions could be moved away | 16:24 |
| dzimine | +1 on “no half-done”. It really blows once we real-use it | 16:24 |
| dzimine | agree on non-distributable-action | 16:24 |
| akuznetsova | maybe we can postpone bps connected with mistral-dashboard? | 16:24 |
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| rakhmerov | although I already started working on it I realized it's not so trivial task and I don't want to spend time on it now | 16:24 |
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| rakhmerov | akuznetsova, yes, I think the same | 16:25 |
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| rakhmerov | objections? | 16:26 |
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| dzimine | I would move manage-db out, too. | 16:26 |
| akuznetsova | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-dashboard-crud-operations , https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-dashboard-tests , https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-execution-visualization | 16:26 |
| dzimine | This is maintanance task, no tech risk, just ‘do it once the thing works’. | 16:27 |
| rakhmerov | I actually really want to implement those UI BPs but it's not a good time now. We can commit to that work in the next milestone | 16:27 |
| dzimine | +1 on akuznetsova’s proposal | 16:27 |
| rakhmerov | dzimine, yes. I included it just because Fuel folks asked about it | 16:27 |
| rakhmerov | +1 on it too | 16:27 |
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| rakhmerov | Nikolay, what do you say about "manage-db" ? | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | I remember Igor asked us to add it but am not sure exactly how important it is for him now | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | he had some problems with packaging because of it as far as I remember | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | I mean Igor Yozhikov | 16:30 |
| akuznetsova | rakhmerov, did you create more bps based on your meeting with dzimine ? | 16:30 |
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| rakhmerov | akuznetsova, not yet, it's in progress, we will soon | 16:30 |
| dzimine | no we did not but we probably should (bug at least) to see the scope visible. | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | we're just making various notes that we still need to think over | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | sure, we need to do it | 16:31 |
| akuznetsova | ok. it means that list of bps for kilo-2 will be bigger | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | NikolayM, you here? | 16:32 |
| dzimine | and it may help to add a dedicated “DB_model refactoring” blueprint as other tasks depend on it (at least 2). | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | yep | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | and/or bugs | 16:32 |
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| rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov, dzimine, create necessary BPs/bugs for the upcoming "cleaning up" work | 16:33 |
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| dzimine | action: dzimine - add blueprints/bugs and add critical of them to kilo-2 scope, rakhmerov will remove the ones he thinks wrong.. | 16:33 |
| dzimine | haha | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | :))) | 16:33 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, moved away "manage-db" for now | 16:33 |
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| rakhmerov | we may ask folks from fuel to help with it | 16:34 |
| akuznetsova | what about https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-auth-middleware-option ? I guess it is quite 'big' feature, isn't it? | 16:34 |
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| rakhmerov | right, but it's now in low priority which means it's not | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | so it's ok | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | if it's not completed in 3 weeks we can easily move it | 16:35 |
| akuznetsova | ok | 16:35 |
| rakhmerov | dzimine, what do you think about "aciton providers"? | 16:36 |
| dzimine | move out. | 16:36 |
| rakhmerov | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/action-providers | 16:36 |
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| dzimine | I hoped to bring more developers to this but we lost some to sickness… | 16:36 |
| rakhmerov | I know we still owe Winson a response to his letter but not sure how important it is for you | 16:36 |
| rakhmerov | ooh, it's bad to hear | 16:37 |
| dzimine | response is important - we want to be clear on design | 16:37 |
| rakhmerov | tomorrow | 16:37 |
| dzimine | but doing it - we won’t have time due to bugs / critical additions. | 16:37 |
| rakhmerov | I'll do it tomorrow first thing | 16:37 |
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| rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov, NikolayM: reply to Winson on action providers design | 16:37 |
| rakhmerov | ok, clear | 16:38 |
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| rakhmerov | done | 16:38 |
| rakhmerov | anything else? | 16:38 |
| rakhmerov | I'm personally still hoping to tackle Script Action | 16:39 |
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| rakhmerov | really would love to see that thing | 16:39 |
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| rakhmerov | so suggesting that we leave it | 16:39 |
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| rakhmerov | I think Nikolay is the best candidate to get it knocked out | 16:40 |
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| rakhmerov | dzimine, one more thing I'd like to ask you about is to clarify a BP definition with Winson: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-runtime-context | 16:41 |
| rakhmerov | I asked him some questions about it via email but still didn't get a reply | 16:41 |
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| dzimine | ok. | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | the thing is that this BP doesn't make a lot of sense to me anymore | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | #action dzimine, clarify https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-runtime-context definition with Winson | 16:42 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, looks like we now have some room for new blueprints | 16:43 |
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| rakhmerov | anything else on that part? | 16:43 |
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| rakhmerov | some other thoughts? | 16:44 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Open discussion | 16:44 |
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| rakhmerov | please go ahead if you have anything to discuss | 16:45 |
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| rakhmerov | ooh, btw | 16:45 |
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| rakhmerov | I already mentioned we now have some problems with environment tests | 16:46 |
| rakhmerov | just for your information | 16:46 |
| rakhmerov | they now basically are blocking the whole process of development | 16:46 |
| akuznetsova | unit tests? | 16:46 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:47 |
| rakhmerov | we have about 5-6 patches that we can't merge in because these tests keep failing | 16:47 |
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| rakhmerov | even though non of these patches are related to environments | 16:47 |
| rakhmerov | so | 16:47 |
| rakhmerov | I think I'm close to fixing them and will try to do it asap, ideally tomorrow | 16:47 |
| rakhmerov | just be aware of it | 16:48 |
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| rakhmerov | the bad news is that they seem to be not very easy to trace | 16:48 |
| rakhmerov | because they occur not every time | 16:48 |
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| akuznetsova | talking about failing tests, rakhmerov what about update_action test in your commit ? | 16:48 |
| rakhmerov | and actually never on my local machine ) | 16:49 |
| rakhmerov | that one is still on you :) | 16:49 |
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| rakhmerov | I was hoping you would take a look at it | 16:49 |
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| rakhmerov | I did spend a few mins on it but was unable to see the problem | 16:49 |
| akuznetsova | won't you add a couple of unit tests that check update too? | 16:49 |
| rakhmerov | so maybe something is wrong with the test itself, dunno | 16:50 |
| rakhmerov | ooh, sure | 16:50 |
| rakhmerov | I'll do | 16:50 |
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| akuznetsova | maybe it is some issue on cli side? | 16:50 |
| rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov, add a couple of unit tests checking "updated_at population | 16:50 |
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| rakhmerov | yes, that's what I honestly think it is | 16:50 |
| rakhmerov | very likely | 16:51 |
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| rakhmerov | so I think that's it from my side | 16:51 |
| rakhmerov | anything else folks? | 16:51 |
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| akuznetsova | nothing from my side | 16:52 |
| rakhmerov | ok, let's wrap up for today | 16:52 |
| rakhmerov | ok, thanks to everyone! | 16:52 |
| bhavenst | OK, thanks | 16:52 |
| rakhmerov | have a good week ) | 16:52 |
| rakhmerov | bye-bye | 16:53 |
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| akuznetsova | bye | 16:53 |
| rakhmerov | #endmeeting | 16:53 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 19 16:53:11 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2015/mistral.2015-01-19-16.00.html | 16:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2015/mistral.2015-01-19-16.00.txt | 16:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2015/mistral.2015-01-19-16.00.log.html | 16:53 |
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| sarob | hello | 17:00 |
| rluethi | hi | 17:00 |
| sarob | #startmeeting training-guides | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 19 17:00:20 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_guides' | 17:00 |
| sayali | hello | 17:00 |
| rluethi | hello again | 17:00 |
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| sarob | roll call | 17:01 |
| rluethi | I am here | 17:01 |
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| sayali | Me too | 17:01 |
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| sarob | hello everyone | 17:02 |
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| matjazp | hey guys | 17:03 |
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| rluethi | hi | 17:03 |
| sarob | #topic state of branching | 17:03 |
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| sarob | no dguitarbite yet... | 17:04 |
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| rluethi | It's not on the agenda anyway. | 17:04 |
| rluethi | Unless you count the third item. | 17:04 |
| sarob | it was | 17:04 |
| sarob | when you guys update the agenda | 17:04 |
| sayali | hey may not be able to join today | 17:04 |
| sarob | make sure you just add | 17:04 |
| sayali | he* | 17:04 |
| sarob | okay | 17:05 |
| matjazp | agenda was for last week | 17:05 |
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| sarob | gerrit is sloow | 17:05 |
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| matjazp | should we always just copy last weeks agendas? | 17:05 |
| rluethi | matjazp: it would likely grow too much. | 17:06 |
| matjazp | rluethi: exactly. Thats why I deleted it | 17:06 |
| sarob | matjazp: mean carry on what was not finished? | 17:06 |
| sarob | branching is pretty critical | 17:06 |
| sarob | so we need to conclude it asap | 17:06 |
| rluethi | matjazp: maybe we should mark those items we want to keep with a date so they don't get deleted accidentally | 17:06 |
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| rluethi | sarob: agreed, but there's not much we can do right now. | 17:07 |
| matjazp | rluethi: agree | 17:07 |
| rluethi | sarob: we can prepare for the time after the branch, though. | 17:07 |
| sarob | agreed | 17:07 |
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| sarob | #topic assessment and Q&A rst chapt format | 17:07 |
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| matjazp | yes... I was working on that | 17:08 |
| matjazp | I propose common document with all q&a, and includes for suitable q&a's for slideware | 17:08 |
| matjazp | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/148315/ | 17:08 |
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| matjazp | problem is, that not all questions are suitable to show them on slides in front of trainees | 17:09 |
| * sarob reading | 17:09 | |
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| matjazp | this way, we can include from common document just a selected ones | 17:09 |
| rluethi | matjazp: can you elaborate? what questions are suitable or not suitable? | 17:10 |
| matjazp | rluethi: e.g. can't put long questions on a slide | 17:10 |
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| rluethi | matjazp: IC | 17:11 |
| matjazp | but they are really helpful when reviewing stuff (e.g. at home after the training session) | 17:11 |
| rluethi | matjazp: makes sense. | 17:12 |
| matjazp | but when discussing in front of trainees, some questions are really good for facilitating discussion | 17:12 |
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| matjazp | so we just select those and put them on slides for the trainers to discuss with trainees | 17:12 |
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| sarob | matjazp: excellent, i like it | 17:12 |
| matjazp | that review is just to show what I mean | 17:12 |
| matjazp | not a finished product | 17:13 |
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| matjazp | two files: one has all the questions | 17:13 |
| sayali | that sounds good matjazp | 17:13 |
| matjazp | the other is slideware | 17:13 |
| sarob | matjazp: can you update the patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/142333/ | 17:13 |
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| sarob | or make it dependent on it | 17:14 |
| matjazp | sarob: I was waiting for you guys if you like the concept | 17:14 |
| sarob | matjazp: i like, much | 17:14 |
| matjazp | sarob: I can make it dependant | 17:14 |
| sarob | matjazp: cool | 17:14 |
| matjazp | or.. if the branching wont be soon, update the sarobs patches | 17:15 |
| rluethi | I wonder if there is a way to make the nature of each file more obvious for newcomers. | 17:15 |
| sarob | matjazp: so is there an online testing tool that would let you do exactly what you have here | 17:15 |
| rluethi | maybe name them "slides" or something maybe!? | 17:15 |
| matjazp | rluethi: different filenames? | 17:15 |
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| sarob | matjazp: but embed the test question so the | 17:16 |
| sarob | matjazp: result updates the remote | 17:16 |
| sarob | matjazp: with the question results? | 17:16 |
| sarob | matjazp: answer | 17:16 |
| matjazp | rluethi: just comment on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/148315 | 17:16 |
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| matjazp | sarob: hmm.. dont know | 17:17 |
| rluethi | matjazp: good to know you want feedback, I usually leave patches that are marked WIP alone. | 17:17 |
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| matjazp | rluethi: dodn't have time to proper look at this and I intended to ask you guys on IRC anyway | 17:18 |
| matjazp | removed WIP, so maybe others will comment on it | 17:19 |
| rluethi | matjazp: I'll try to take a closer look tomorrow. | 17:19 |
| matjazp | rluethi: ok | 17:20 |
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| sarob | matjazp: think about how a online testing system can use these questions and answers | 17:21 |
| matjazp | sarob: I am | 17:21 |
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| matjazp | problem is, we still havent decided what we will use... Moodle or smth else | 17:21 |
| sarob | matjazp: anything else? | 17:21 |
| matjazp | sarob: nope | 17:21 |
| sarob | matjazp: can i find you some more help? | 17:22 |
| matjazp | sarob: that would be great | 17:22 |
| sarob | matjazp: i have a few that may be able to help on the online testing specifically | 17:23 |
| sarob | #action matjazp will make #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/148315/ dependent on #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/142333/ | 17:24 |
| matjazp | sarob: anyone that can programm? I guess we still need to integrate our online system with Launchpad | 17:24 |
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| sarob | #action sarob will find matjazp some help with the online testing tool | 17:24 |
| sarob | matjazp: more like openID integration | 17:25 |
| sarob | matjazp: launchpad days are numbered | 17:25 |
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| matjazp | sarob: oh... not a moment too soon ;) | 17:25 |
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| sarob | moving on | 17:25 |
| sarob | #topic list of kilo videos to be made | 17:26 |
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| sarob | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstck-training-guides%28Audio_Visual_Content%29 | 17:26 |
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| sayali | I wanted to ask if there is any specific need for videos from the trainers? | 17:27 |
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| sayali | osbash is currently been worked on but other than that if there was any requirement | 17:27 |
| sarob | sayali: we havent done it enough yet | 17:28 |
| sarob | sayali: for them to know | 17:28 |
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| sarob | sayali: and with the format changing, and | 17:28 |
| sarob | sayali: starting to include osbash | 17:28 |
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| sarob | sayali: they are just keeping up | 17:29 |
| sayali | have you guys used osbash yet? | 17:29 |
| sarob | sayali: not yet | 17:29 |
| matjazp | sayali: I used it in my class this semester | 17:29 |
| sarob | sayali: i was hoping to start this week, but trainers are getting off to a rough start | 17:29 |
| sayali | ah ok. only rluethi reviewed the script on etherpad.. | 17:30 |
| sayali | matjazp: how did that go? | 17:30 |
| rluethi | matjazp: any new feedback? | 17:30 |
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| matjazp | sayali: ok, worksa as intended | 17:31 |
| matjazp | rluethi: I miss some new features... we didn't have them so I had to switch to devstack | 17:31 |
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| matjazp | rluethi: eg. swift, LBaaS | 17:32 |
| rluethi | matjazp: I don't remember seeing a list of missing features. | 17:32 |
| rluethi | matjazp: ah | 17:32 |
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| matjazp | rluethi: NEW new features ;) | 17:32 |
| matjazp | rluethi: wishlist | 17:33 |
| rluethi | matjazp: I'd like to add whatever is necessary to make it useful. | 17:33 |
| sayali | matjazp: that's cool. if you get some time you coud add to the scripts if you find something missing in the setup. | 17:33 |
| matjazp | sayali: ok, I'll try to look at it later this week | 17:33 |
| rluethi | matjazp: I think swift is covered in the install-guides, but LBaaS? | 17:33 |
| sayali | matjazp: cool, thanks! | 17:34 |
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| matjazp | rluethi: nope :( but it's a really nice feature for demo | 17:34 |
| sayali | rluethi: we don't have to go as per the install guides do we? | 17:34 |
| sarob | sayali: dumped some notes into the etherpad | 17:34 |
| sayali | sarob: great, ill take a look | 17:35 |
| rluethi | matjazp: we would need some documentation similar to the install-guide. I just don't want to figure out everything by myself :). | 17:35 |
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| matjazp | rluethi: we just file a bug to the docs team :) | 17:35 |
| rluethi | matjazp: I was hoping for something faster. | 17:36 |
| matjazp | rluethi: ... and wait for "official" documentation | 17:36 |
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| matjazp | rluethi: yes, I know. some of it is in wiki, but maybe we could just reuse devstack scripts that install it | 17:37 |
| rluethi | sayali: I'd like to stick to the install-guide for everything covered in there. for additional things, we can make up our own procedures. | 17:37 |
| matjazp | but maybe lbaas is just my personal preference to show some neat features (I also need to teach them about ha concepts) | 17:38 |
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| rluethi | matjazp: at least for inspiration, that might work. I would still need some smoke test to see if it works (is properly installed). | 17:38 |
| sayali | rluethi: yep I meant to ask about the additions only | 17:38 |
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| sarob | matjazp: thought about recording some of your classwork sessions? | 17:39 |
| rluethi | matjazp: I do like the lbaas idea. | 17:39 |
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| matjazp | sarob: they are in slovene | 17:39 |
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| rluethi | excellent. we already have sessions in exotic languages! | 17:39 |
| sarob | matjazp: hmm, maybe i should brush up on my slovene | 17:39 |
| matjazp | exotic? ;) | 17:39 |
| * sarob maybe i should learn slovene | 17:40 | |
| * matjazp feels special | 17:40 | |
| rluethi | matjazp: exotic from where I stand :). | 17:40 |
| sarob | exotic sounds warm | 17:40 |
| matjazp | rluethi: hey, you're just few hundred KMs on the left from me :) | 17:40 |
| rluethi | matjazp: yeah, but nothing's exotic here, I assure you. And it's pretty cold, too. | 17:40 |
| sarob | 100KM+ = exotic | 17:40 |
| rluethi | sarob: from where I live, definitely. | 17:41 |
| rluethi | sarob: I wonder why an American would say that, though :). | 17:41 |
| sarob | 100KM+= drive to work for me ;) | 17:41 |
| rluethi | sarob: they call 500KM+ a "daytrip". | 17:41 |
| sarob | 2.5 hour each way now during commute time | 17:42 |
| sarob | fun stuff | 17:42 |
| rluethi | I bet. | 17:42 |
| sarob | soooo, it would be cool to have some real life use of openstack, osbash, and training | 17:43 |
| matjazp | sarob: hmmm and I complain... and I have work just few KMs from where I live | 17:43 |
| sarob | matjazp: even if in slovene | 17:43 |
| sarob | matjazp: could always translate | 17:43 |
| rluethi | sarob: I think we can all agree on that. | 17:43 |
| sarob | matjazp: with subtitles | 17:43 |
| matjazp | sarob: this week is the last week of semester | 17:44 |
| sarob | matjazp: maybe next time | 17:44 |
| sarob | matjazp: showing how many different people are using openstack is good for this project and also openstack | 17:45 |
| sarob | matjazp: at large | 17:45 |
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| sayali | yeah those recordings will be very useful | 17:45 |
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| sarob | sayali: anything else on AV? | 17:45 |
| sayali | umm the spec is out for review | 17:46 |
| sayali | for AV | 17:46 |
| rluethi | sayali: we are hoping to get some version of the test script script soonish, it might be worth waiting for that and including it. | 17:46 |
| rluethi | sayali: depending on your schedule and plans, of course. | 17:46 |
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| sarob | sayali: i will give the spec review | 17:47 |
| sayali | rluethi: I can wait but do we want to club that in the same video? | 17:47 |
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| sarob | sayali: club? | 17:47 |
| sarob | annegentle: any eta on training-guides branching? | 17:48 |
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| sayali | sorry I lost connection | 17:48 |
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| rluethi | sayali: club? | 17:48 |
| sarob | annegentle: we are blocked on branching | 17:49 |
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| sayali | ya asin make one video or a sequel to the post setup for osbash with the test scripts | 17:49 |
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| sarob | #action sarob annegentle training-guides branching, unblock so we can get to kilo branch on schedule | 17:50 |
| rluethi | sayali: I like the sequel idea. | 17:50 |
| sarob | sayali: sounds good | 17:50 |
| rluethi | sarob: ISTR that the spec is almost merged but needs rebasing. | 17:50 |
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| matjazp | sayali: better to make a lot of short, focused videos than one all.in.one | 17:51 |
| sayali | rluethi: cool, so the we can go ahead with the first one then once the test scripts are ready we could work on that | 17:51 |
| sayali | matjazp: yep I agree | 17:51 |
| sarob | rluethi: is merged #link https://github.com/openstack/docs-specs/blob/master/specs/kilo/training-guides-icehouse-release.rst | 17:51 |
| rluethi | sarob: then it's a matter of andreas and pranav having time to do the actual branching work (or request infra to do it). | 17:51 |
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| sarob | rluethi: agreed, just referencing annegentle that it is blocking us | 17:52 |
| sarob | sayali: short videos are good | 17:53 |
| sayali | sarob: yep | 17:53 |
| sarob | rluethi: dguitarbite and andeasj are working on it | 17:54 |
| sarob | rluethi: reminding annegentle is part of the process | 17:54 |
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| sarob | rluethi: if they get blocked then we could go to infra directly, just wanted to follow the steps | 17:54 |
| sarob | rluethi: rather than jumping ahead | 17:55 |
| rluethi | sarob: I did not know that. Thanks for the explanation. | 17:55 |
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| sarob | rluethi: guessing on some of this since we have never branched before | 17:55 |
| sarob | #topic any other business | 17:56 |
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| sarob | few minutes left | 17:56 |
| sarob | we all cores should review specs | 17:56 |
| sarob | merge if ready | 17:57 |
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| rluethi | specs in docs-specs? | 17:57 |
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| matjazp | specs are in docs-specs repo | 17:57 |
| rluethi | we are not core there, nor can we merge anything. | 17:57 |
| sarob | rluethi: duh, sorry | 17:58 |
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| sarob | rluethi: not enuf coffeee | 17:58 |
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| sarob | rluethi: review though | 17:58 |
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| sarob | any thing else? | 17:58 |
| rluethi | wouldn't hurt to send out an email pointing out specs that we should review. | 17:58 |
| rluethi | I'm good. | 17:59 |
| sayali | nope nothing | 17:59 |
| sarob | #action sarob ML update on patches to review | 17:59 |
| matjazp | ok, bye all | 17:59 |
| sarob | sweet | 17:59 |
| rluethi | bye | 17:59 |
| sarob | bye people | 17:59 |
| sayali | bye | 17:59 |
| sarob | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 19 17:59:58 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2015/training_guides.2015-01-19-17.00.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2015/training_guides.2015-01-19-17.00.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2015/training_guides.2015-01-19-17.00.log.html | 18:00 |
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| sdake | #startmeeting kolla | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 19 20:00:15 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sdake. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kolla' | 20:00 |
| sdake | #topic rollcall | 20:00 |
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| sdake | hey \o/ :) | 20:00 |
| rhallisey | hi | 20:00 |
| daneyon | hi | 20:00 |
| sdake | hey folks | 20:00 |
| sdake | anyone else around, jpeeler ? | 20:00 |
| sdake | larsks? | 20:00 |
| sdake | #topic agenda | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 20:00 | |
| sdake | I didn't make an agenda today | 20:01 |
| * jpeeler is here | 20:01 | |
| sdake | I'm a bit lagged at work unforutnately | 20:01 |
| daneyon | no worries | 20:01 |
| sdake | I would like to speak about future direction of kolla a bit | 20:01 |
| sdake | discuss it | 20:01 |
| sdake | so we can determine what milestone #3 should be | 20:01 |
| sdake | anyone else have anything to add? | 20:01 |
| daneyon | nada | 20:01 |
| sdake | #topic milestone #3 objectives | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "milestone #3 objectives (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 20:01 | |
| sdake | I filed a review for tripleo specs: | 20:02 |
| sdake | #link https://review.openstack.org/144199 | 20:02 |
| sdake | that basically says "lets use kubernetes and docker to build the tripleo cloud" | 20:03 |
| sdake | got some pushback from Clint (tripleo PTL) | 20:03 |
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| sdake | I think his thinking is it s a bit too agressive | 20:03 |
| sdake | he would like to see baby steps | 20:03 |
| sdake | so the smallest baby step I cant think of is introducing containers to tripleo, rather then images | 20:03 |
| sdake | I think that blueprint would pass the review +2/+A test | 20:04 |
| sdake | folks interested in proceeding down that path? | 20:04 |
| rhallisey | sure | 20:04 |
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| daneyon | so, would that mean using nova-docker instead of kolla? | 20:05 |
| sdake | daneyon on that point I am unclear | 20:05 |
| daneyon | or just not using kollaglue? | 20:05 |
| daneyon | OK | 20:05 |
| sdake | #link https://github.com/openstack/tripleo-image-elements/tree/master/elements | 20:05 |
| sdake | this is how tripleo builds its images at this time | 20:05 |
| sdake | it uses disk image builder to convert those elements above into different types of images | 20:06 |
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| daneyon | images seem to be a key benefit to the whole container selling point... or am I missing something? | 20:06 |
| sdake | daneyon your not missing anything :) | 20:06 |
| sdake | when DIB converts them, it converts them into "bootable" images | 20:06 |
| sdake | not "docker" images | 20:06 |
| sdake | so my propsal for this blueprint would be something along the lines of | 20:07 |
| sdake | teach DIB how to create docker images from existing DIB elements | 20:07 |
| sdake | teach tripleo how to launch DIB-built docker images instead of DIB-built disk images | 20:07 |
| jpeeler | didn't someone say they were working on that? | 20:07 |
| sdake | jpeeler mordred has indicated he is working on DIB to create docker images, but he was working on it 3 months ago and can't seem to get to it :) | 20:07 |
| jpeeler | ah okay | 20:08 |
| daneyon | i used the tripleo-image-elemnts stuff over a year ago when I was working on OpenShift heat templates. I remember it being a lot more painful than Docker images. | 20:08 |
| sdake | he says its simple | 20:08 |
| sdake | so maybe we can tackle it | 20:08 |
| sdake | daneyon yay jpeeler wrote some ofthose ;) | 20:08 |
| sdake | so yes, I think there is pain, but there is alot of gain | 20:08 |
| sdake | the gain being, we can just integrate smoothly with a small baby step | 20:08 |
| sdake | without disrupting what tripleo has already done | 20:08 |
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| sdake | unfortunately it disrupts what we have done | 20:09 |
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| sdake | so it would mean ceasing dev on the current docker images | 20:09 |
| sdake | or atleast that not being our primary objective | 20:09 |
| sdake | when we started, I had indicated we wanted to integrate with tripleo | 20:10 |
| sdake | I think that is still the case | 20:10 |
| sdake | as far as I can tell, this is the only way to do that | 20:10 |
| sdake | thoughts? | 20:10 |
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| rhallisey | well in order for the project to grow that's what it might take | 20:11 |
| rhallisey | in which case it would be worth it | 20:11 |
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| jpeeler | my understanding of devtest is that it originated from devstack. is there any code sharing between the two? | 20:12 |
| sdake | daneyon jpeeler you have any thoughts? | 20:12 |
| daneyon | I'm still thinking it through | 20:12 |
| sdake | what is devtest | 20:12 |
| daneyon | DIB says the following: OpenStack images are intended to be deployed and maintained using Nova + Heat. | 20:12 |
| daneyon | That sounds different than what we would want to do from a Kolla standpoint. | 20:13 |
| sdake | we would want to use heat to orchestrate the cloud buildout | 20:13 |
| sdake | we would want to use nova(possibly the docker driver) to deploy the images | 20:13 |
| jpeeler | sdake: i thought devtest is the way most people install tripleO currently | 20:13 |
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| sdake | jpeeler news to me, mroe info int he brain :) | 20:13 |
| daneyon | I would think we would want to deploy the Kolla "undercloud" using something like SaltStack, then use the magic of Docker images to deploy and maintain the Kolla undercloud | 20:13 |
| sdake | not familiar with saltstack, mind providing a synopsis? | 20:14 |
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| daneyon | I just think removing all the benefits associated to Docker images sounds bad. Unless we can still provide an awesome devops experience by integrating with DIB. | 20:14 |
| sdake | daneyon I absolutely believe that to be true | 20:15 |
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| sdake | (devops experience) | 20:15 |
| sdake | the folks making the images will have a bit more pain | 20:15 |
| sdake | since docker is dead simple to use | 20:15 |
| sdake | and dib scripts kind of are painful :( | 20:15 |
| sdake | but the deployment side will have the same devops experience - configure key/value pairs and launch your cloud | 20:16 |
| daneyon | saltstack. puppet, ansible, etc.. is the standard devops tool for building/managing systems. I say SaltStack in particular since that's what GCE uses. | 20:16 |
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| sdake | got it | 20:16 |
| sdake | i am not sure how the undercloud gets built today | 20:16 |
| sdake | I think its puppet scripts or something similar | 20:16 |
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| sdake | its the overcloud where docker images shine for us | 20:16 |
| sdake | because they allow inplace fast upgrades with nearly zero downtime | 20:17 |
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| sdake | daneyon I think the problem with the proposal you mentioned is it is essentially tripleo-redone-from-scratch | 20:18 |
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| sdake | which today, if we were doing tripleo, we would do :) | 20:18 |
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| sdake | but we have to integrate with what is there | 20:18 |
| sdake | and change it to match what we want the future to look like | 20:18 |
| daneyon | I guess it's hard for me to give a +1/-1 until I can think about it a bit more. I just want to make sure we don;t loose the benefits of Docker images just to get the project into tripleo | 20:18 |
| sdake | in incrmental small steps - to preserve the community | 20:18 |
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| sdake | the alternative is to compete with tripleo afaik | 20:19 |
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| jpeeler | right, once you're part of a given community you have a bit more say | 20:19 |
| sdake | tripleo has a bunch more devs then we have | 20:19 |
| sdake | it would be good to merge | 20:19 |
| daneyon | sdake: got it, but does that say something about tripleo? Is the initial direction of the project not so good since the Docker workflow is kinda a game changer? | 20:20 |
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| sdake | part of it is the docker workflow | 20:20 |
| sdake | part of it is the kubernetes workflow | 20:20 |
| sdake | I get why the kubernetes workflow is not suitable for tripleo | 20:20 |
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| sdake | it introduces a huge depndency into a one time operation of launching your cloud | 20:21 |
| daneyon | Does tripleo need to go through big changes or is the right thing to retrofit kolla to fit tripleo by potentially loosing value? | 20:21 |
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| sdake | in retrospect I would not have involved kubernetes in kolla | 20:21 |
| sdake | that was a big error in judgement on my part | 20:21 |
| sdake | I had 20 people telling me to do it that way and no one saying no or experience to guide otherwise | 20:22 |
| sdake | take it for what its worth :( | 20:22 |
| daneyon | understandable | 20:22 |
| sdake | as far as DIB being a pain to work with, I suspect we could - over time - change theworkflwo to NOT use dib | 20:22 |
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| sdake | but to use docker straight up | 20:23 |
| sdake | *after* we get contianers integrated into tripleo | 20:23 |
| sdake | tripleo is just more complication that isn't needed | 20:23 |
| sdake | but thatwould be stpe #2 | 20:23 |
| sdake | rather dib is just more complication :) | 20:23 |
| sdake | step #1 - teach dib about docker teach tripleo about docker | 20:23 |
| sdake | step #2 - replace dib with native docker buildout | 20:23 |
| sdake | step #3 - drink copious liquor | 20:24 |
| rhallisey | lol | 20:24 |
| sdake | what step #1 permits us to do is work on step #2 unimpeded within a larger community of developers | 20:24 |
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| daneyon | i think the operators wanting containers will want the same Docker workflow. They will care more about the Docker experience than needing to use tripleo to gain Dockerized OS services. | 20:25 |
| daneyon | I would like to think this through some more. | 20:25 |
| sdake | cool well lets chat next week about it | 20:25 |
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| sdake | I guess I'll kick off the blueprint review this week and see what happens | 20:25 |
| rhallisey | ya agreed | 20:25 |
| sdake | #topic open discussion | 20:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 20:26 | |
| sdake | anyone hae any discussion they would like to have? | 20:26 |
| rhallisey | nope | 20:26 |
| daneyon | no | 20:26 |
| sdake | ok then, I'll end meeting | 20:26 |
| sdake | thanks all for coming :) | 20:26 |
| sdake | #endmeeting | 20:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:26 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 19 20:26:47 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:26 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2015/kolla.2015-01-19-20.00.html | 20:26 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2015/kolla.2015-01-19-20.00.txt | 20:26 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2015/kolla.2015-01-19-20.00.log.html | 20:26 |
| rhallisey | thx see ya | 20:27 |
| daneyon | lets just figure out where we take the project by NLT next week's meeting. | 20:27 |
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| AmirBaleghi | hello. any body there for neutron meeting? | 20:52 |
| nati_ueno | hi | 20:52 |
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| AmirBaleghi | just hi?? | 20:52 |
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| AmirBaleghi | are u. intersting to neutron? | 20:53 |
| nati_ueno | meeting will start in 7 min | 20:53 |
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| AmirBaleghi | aha...thanks.. | 20:53 |
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| AmirBaleghi | i will wait :) | 20:54 |
| nati_ueno | :) | 20:55 |
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| enikanorov | hi? | 21:01 |
| tongli | are we having a neutron meeting? | 21:01 |
| nati_ueno | ah.. wiki says Tuesday (1/27/2015) at 1400 UTC on #openstack-meeting | 21:01 |
| nati_ueno | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings | 21:02 |
| tongli | ah. ok. thanks. | 21:02 |
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| mlavalle | nati_ueno: but this week the meeting takes place on Monday | 21:02 |
| rkukura | I thought we had one now, but apparently not | 21:03 |
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| nati_ueno | mlavalle: yep but wiki also says 1/27.. so may be skipped today? I couldn't join last time meeting, so I'm not sure | 21:03 |
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| mlavalle | nati_ueno: yeah, I just went there. I guess you are right | 21:03 |
| nati_ueno | anybody knows? | 21:03 |
| ivar-lazzaro | nope | 21:04 |
| mlavalle | mestery: are we meeting today? | 21:04 |
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| AmirBaleghi | i am very confused .... is there any meeting about neutron? | 21:05 |
| nati_ueno | AmirBaleghi: normally yes | 21:05 |
| mlavalle | nati_ueno: what time is it for you? | 21:05 |
| nati_ueno | mlavalle: 6am | 21:06 |
| mlavalle | nati_ueno: I guess, go back to bed... enjoy | 21:06 |
| nati_ueno | mlavalle: yeah zzzz | 21:06 |
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| AmirBaleghi | i am too.... the time in there about 1 am | 21:07 |
| mlavalle | nati_ueno, AmirBaleghi: it is a 'holiday' in the US. This may be the reason. I say 'holiday' in quotes because not all companies honor it. Not where i work | 21:07 |
| AmirBaleghi | but in previos | 21:08 |
| nati_ueno | mlavalle: gotcha! thanks | 21:08 |
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| AmirBaleghi | sessien all guys are present | 21:09 |
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| AmirBaleghi | not problem... :) | 21:09 |
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| dougwig | neutron meeting was canceled for MLK day. | 21:11 |
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| mlavalle | dougwig: :-) thanks | 21:12 |
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| AmirBaleghi | excuse me . I want to get news about meeting . where is it to get news? | 21:13 |
| mlavalle | AmirBaleghi: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings | 21:13 |
| AmirBaleghi | aha thanks ... :) | 21:14 |
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