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| asalkeld | #startmeeting heat | 12:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 10 12:00:26 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is asalkeld. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 12:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 12:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: heat)" | 12:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 12:00 |
| asalkeld | #topic rollcall | 12:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: heat)" | 12:00 | |
| skraynev | o/ | 12:00 |
| tspatzier | hi | 12:00 |
| shardy | o/ | 12:00 |
| ryansb | o/ | 12:01 |
| asalkeld | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda | 12:01 |
| asalkeld | #topic review last week's actions | 12:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "review last week's actions (Meeting topic: heat)" | 12:02 | |
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| asalkeld | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-12-03-20.00.html | 12:02 |
| asalkeld | skraynev, take over https://review.openstack.org/#/c/86978/ | 12:02 |
| asalkeld | that was the only one ^ | 12:02 |
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| asalkeld | say shardy are you around? | 12:02 |
| shardy | asalkeld: yup | 12:03 |
| skraynev | asalkeld: I starterd working on it | 12:03 |
| asalkeld | skraynev, ok | 12:03 |
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| asalkeld | hi shardy | 12:03 |
| asalkeld | #topic Adding items to the agenda | 12:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Adding items to the agenda (Meeting topic: heat)" | 12:03 | |
| asalkeld | any more items for the agenda? | 12:04 |
| skraynev | and EmilienM already gave me necessary links, so I plan focusing on it all this week | 12:04 |
| asalkeld | nice skraynev | 12:04 |
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| shardy | Thanks skraynev! :) | 12:04 |
| pas-ha | o/ | 12:04 |
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| asalkeld | ok, well let's move on and add agenda items as need be | 12:05 |
| skraynev | shardy, asalkeld: np, looks interesting for me as research and try to make it work :) | 12:05 |
| asalkeld | ok | 12:05 |
| asalkeld | #topic kilo-1 status: https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/kilo-1 | 12:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "kilo-1 status: https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/kilo-1 (Meeting topic: heat)" | 12:05 | |
| ckmvishnu | asalkeld: convergence moving forward. | 12:05 |
| asalkeld | great, do you want to give us an update? | 12:06 |
| asalkeld | (a bit later after the k1 status) | 12:06 |
| asalkeld | so i'd like us to go through the bp's | 12:06 |
| asalkeld | and see where they are | 12:06 |
| pas-ha | that of mine is actually implemented already | 12:07 |
| asalkeld | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/decouple-nested | 12:07 |
| asalkeld | this is shardy and (now me too) | 12:07 |
| skraynev | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/cinder-volume-type - probably is implemented too | 12:07 |
| asalkeld | it's still got a lot of work | 12:07 |
| skraynev | it was merged recently | 12:07 |
| asalkeld | ok set to implemented | 12:08 |
| asalkeld | shardy, i will work on the decouple nested, but will move to k2 in all likely hood | 12:08 |
| skraynev | I remember, that Jeff told about this one https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/lazy-load-outputs | 12:08 |
| asalkeld | there are a *lot* of tests to sort out | 12:08 |
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| shardy | asalkeld: Ok, no worries, I know it is a lot of work - thanks for helping move it forward! | 12:09 |
| asalkeld | we can still try get the tests in tho' | 12:09 |
| asalkeld | no harm in that | 12:09 |
| skraynev | asalkeld: +1 for these changes | 12:09 |
| shardy | asalkeld: Yeah, I think after the test rework the actual changes should be easy to land | 12:09 |
| asalkeld | skraynev, so what's the state of lazy stuff? | 12:10 |
| shardy | as all the prerequisites have already been merged | 12:10 |
| shardy | e.g the RPC API additions etc | 12:10 |
| shardy | Just a shame the test fallout is so horrible :( | 12:10 |
| asalkeld | yeah | 12:10 |
| shardy | Similar problem for enabling trusts by default.. | 12:10 |
| skraynev | asalkeld: I do not know! I do not see any related changes with this BP | 12:10 |
| asalkeld | last time he said he would be able to get it in | 12:11 |
| asalkeld | so maybe it's small | 12:11 |
| asalkeld | i'll wait a bit more | 12:11 |
| asalkeld | multi region | 12:11 |
| tspatzier | that is close to completion IMO | 12:11 |
| asalkeld | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/multi-region-support | 12:12 |
| asalkeld | should be in, mostly nit picks on the review | 12:12 |
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| skraynev | asalkeld: ok, imo it's ok wait it till next meeting | 12:12 |
| asalkeld | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/stack-snapshot | 12:12 |
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| asalkeld | that is therve's | 12:13 |
| asalkeld | i think it is largely done | 12:13 |
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| asalkeld | anyone have more news on it? | 12:13 |
| skraynev | suggest to ask therve about it .... | 12:13 |
| asalkeld | yeah | 12:14 |
| asalkeld | #action skraynev to ask therve about the status of https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/stack-snapshot | 12:14 |
| asalkeld | ;) | 12:14 |
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| asalkeld | skraynev, you just more on his tz | 12:14 |
| skraynev | lol | 12:14 |
| pas-ha | looks like there is no open reviews for that bp, all is merged (one abandoned) | 12:14 |
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| skraynev | ok | 12:14 |
| asalkeld | so last one: | 12:15 |
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| asalkeld | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/implement-instanceid-for-launchconfiguration | 12:15 |
| asalkeld | mmmm spec still not approved | 12:16 |
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| asalkeld | well code is there | 12:17 |
| shardy | asalkeld: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/132627/ | 12:17 |
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| shardy | Looks like it is approved and merged? | 12:17 |
| asalkeld | can we all review that please | 12:17 |
| shardy | (the spec) | 12:17 |
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| asalkeld | shardy, that's the launch config one | 12:17 |
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| asalkeld | o, sorry - it's confusing as there is a asg and lc spec | 12:18 |
| shardy | asalkeld: uh, isn't that what we're talking about, refe the link above? | 12:18 |
| shardy | ah | 12:18 |
| asalkeld | ok, that should be ok | 12:18 |
| asalkeld | and bugs look ok to me | 12:19 |
| asalkeld | in progress | 12:19 |
| asalkeld | and someone assigned | 12:19 |
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| asalkeld | ckmvishnu, you want to give a convergence update? | 12:20 |
| ckmvishnu | addressing few issues raised by zaneb. looking forward to your suggession. Also have another etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/execution-stream-and-aggregator-based-convergence. It has more similarities with zanes approach. | 12:20 |
| asalkeld | #topic convergence update | 12:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "convergence update (Meeting topic: heat)" | 12:20 | |
| ckmvishnu | Shouldn't we be working on continuous observer parallelly? | 12:20 |
| inc0 | well Zane wants to focus on phase1 | 12:21 |
| asalkeld | ckmvishnu, if you have people twiddling their fingers | 12:21 |
| ckmvishnu | distributing workload is fine. but does it even solve any problem heat has right now | 12:21 |
| pas-ha | yes, scalability | 12:22 |
| asalkeld | ckmvishnu, yes i does improve scale | 12:22 |
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| shardy | ckmvishnu: making heat more scalable for HP's usage of TripleO is what started off this whole thing | 12:22 |
| inc0 | well, it changes scope of statefullness - now its whole stack on one engine, its better to have one resource per engine | 12:22 |
| pas-ha | lol how every answer get longer ^) | 12:22 |
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| asalkeld | yeah, ckmvishnu so, yes it is very helpful | 12:23 |
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| asalkeld | please persist, we are very keen to get there | 12:23 |
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| ckmvishnu | shardy: but i guess failure are mostly out of band | 12:23 |
| ckmvishnu | asalkeld: sure | 12:23 |
| asalkeld | ckmvishnu, do you feel you and zane are merging in on a workable solution? | 12:24 |
| ckmvishnu | asalkeld: within this week. yes | 12:24 |
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| asalkeld | awesome | 12:24 |
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| asalkeld | #topic open discussion | 12:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: heat)" | 12:25 | |
| asalkeld | free for all ... | 12:25 |
| asalkeld | (we can continue with convergence or anything else) | 12:25 |
| ckmvishnu | asalkeld: so we are not taking up continuous observer for now. | 12:25 |
| asalkeld | ckmvishnu, i am ok with that | 12:26 |
| ckmvishnu | one other question relating to db patches | 12:26 |
| asalkeld | as long as we can get a good foundation | 12:26 |
| ckmvishnu | ok | 12:26 |
| asalkeld | ckmvishnu, are those going to be needed as-is? | 12:26 |
| ckmvishnu | should we be blocked till zero-downtine comes along | 12:27 |
| asalkeld | ckmvishnu, so the graph db patches? | 12:27 |
| asalkeld | or the name change ones? | 12:27 |
| ckmvishnu | not them. in general | 12:27 |
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| ckmvishnu | db migrations are put on hold | 12:28 |
| asalkeld | o, no we can make changes still | 12:28 |
| ckmvishnu | ok | 12:28 |
| asalkeld | but only if needed | 12:28 |
| ckmvishnu | sure | 12:28 |
| asalkeld | inc0 is working on that | 12:28 |
| asalkeld | it doesn't look too hard, so hopefully shouldn't be too long | 12:28 |
| inc0 | versioning you mean? well we didn't get to the fun part yet | 12:29 |
| inc0 | but as long as we draft api for that | 12:29 |
| asalkeld | i spoke too soom ;) | 12:29 |
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| inc0 | you can just put your migration to versioning and it will start to work eventually | 12:29 |
| inc0 | ;) | 12:29 |
| prazumovsky | Hello | 12:29 |
| asalkeld | hi prazumovsky | 12:29 |
| inc0 | right now I'm just implementing object classes which does nothing by themselves | 12:30 |
| asalkeld | prazumovsky, we are into open discussion | 12:30 |
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| prazumovsky | asalkeld, OK | 12:30 |
| asalkeld | inc0, looks like a good start to me | 12:31 |
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| inc0 | yeah, and I can't see why ckmvishnu couldn't just implent first versioning along with migration | 12:31 |
| inc0 | even if those won't do anything yet, once we'll have mechanism we'll make it work | 12:31 |
| asalkeld | i have a question about testing if we are done | 12:32 |
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| asalkeld | shardy, skraynev | 12:32 |
| pas-ha | inc0, for me it looks like de-/serialization would be the most fun part | 12:32 |
| asalkeld | so we can't create stacks with nested stacks in them in the unit tests anymore | 12:33 |
| skraynev | asalkeld: here | 12:33 |
| shardy | asalkeld: yup | 12:33 |
| inc0 | pas-ha, mechanism for that actually, and there will be lot of work if we'd like to implement backward versioning, so based on migrations | 12:33 |
| asalkeld | so the question is do we do negitive tests in the functional tests | 12:33 |
| asalkeld | so do i need to add a test plugin | 12:33 |
| asalkeld | that enables me to fail resources | 12:34 |
| inc0 | this will be less hard more well....big in terms of amount of code | 12:34 |
| shardy | asalkeld: My assumption is that we wouldn't, at least initially | 12:34 |
| asalkeld | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/140245/3 | 12:34 |
| asalkeld | skraynev, ^ | 12:35 |
| skraynev | shardy: do you suggest to move it on kilo X ? | 12:35 |
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| asalkeld | so one option is to do lots of unit tests | 12:35 |
| skraynev | asalkeld: ok, I have got answer :) | 12:35 |
| asalkeld | but it does not always test something logically | 12:36 |
| shardy | asalkeld: tempest has a negative test framework, I suppose we could look into using that? | 12:36 |
| asalkeld | unit tests are sometimes rather dumb | 12:36 |
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| asalkeld | shardy, i need to create a python resource type | 12:37 |
| asalkeld | that fails on create/update | 12:37 |
| asalkeld | but not on validate | 12:37 |
| skraynev | asalkeld: I have updated my score on review with comment about negative functional testing :) | 12:37 |
| shardy | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/tempest/HACKING.html#negative-tests | 12:37 |
| asalkeld | i can't do that with a template | 12:37 |
| asalkeld | shardy, i'll look into that | 12:38 |
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| shardy | asalkeld: provider resource with a WaitCondition set to a tiny timeout? | 12:38 |
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| pas-ha | asalkeld, you mean that our validation is so good already? :) | 12:38 |
| asalkeld | lol | 12:38 |
| asalkeld | shardy, maybe | 12:38 |
| skraynev | :D | 12:39 |
| asalkeld | shardy, i don't want to make an actual server | 12:39 |
| asalkeld | but that's ok, that might work | 12:39 |
| shardy | asalkeld: You wouldn't have to | 12:39 |
| asalkeld | i already have a fake server | 12:39 |
| pas-ha | yes, just a waiccondition immediately going to fail upon creation | 12:40 |
| asalkeld | ok - that will help, but i see a need for this kind of thing in the near future | 12:40 |
| asalkeld | (testing resource type, that can fail as we want) | 12:40 |
| skraynev | asalkeld: sounds good | 12:40 |
| asalkeld | ok, i am all done | 12:40 |
| pas-ha | I would presume a resource that just raises whatever failure in hande_* we need | 12:41 |
| pas-ha | could be very-very dumb | 12:41 |
| pas-ha | almost like a random string | 12:41 |
| shardy | pas-ha: Yeah, a way to insert a special test plugin would probably work | 12:41 |
| asalkeld | pas-ha, yeah - but maybe with properties (fail in 5 sec) | 12:41 |
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| pas-ha | cooler - a property defining in which handle_* to fail ;) | 12:42 |
| asalkeld | yeah, after x calls to *_complete etc... | 12:42 |
| skraynev | pas-ha: and then introduce it as one of common resource :) | 12:42 |
| pas-ha | skraynev, lol | 12:43 |
| asalkeld | i can live with the wait cond. for now | 12:43 |
| pas-ha | OS::Test::UniversalFailure | 12:43 |
| shardy | We could have heat_integrationtests/test_resources which are added to plugin_dirs only for the functional test job? | 12:44 |
| asalkeld | OS::Test::RandomFailure | 12:44 |
| shardy | lol | 12:44 |
| skraynev | :) | 12:44 |
| asalkeld | shardy, yeah i made that dir a moment ago | 12:44 |
| shardy | asalkeld: ah, cool | 12:44 |
| asalkeld | but need to tell devstack to set that up | 12:44 |
| shardy | I'm not sure how we wire that in, but stevebaker will know | 12:45 |
| asalkeld | yeah | 12:45 |
| asalkeld | any votes for endmeeting? | 12:45 |
| shardy | add HEAT_PLUGIN_DIRS to lib/heat in devstack I guess | 12:46 |
| shardy | +1 | 12:46 |
| skraynev | +1 | 12:46 |
| pas-ha | +1 | 12:46 |
| ryansb | +1 | 12:46 |
| asalkeld | #endmeeting | 12:46 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 10 12:46:15 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 12:46 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-12-10-12.00.html | 12:46 |
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| asalkeld | done, thanks all | 12:46 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-12-10-12.00.txt | 12:46 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-12-10-12.00.log.html | 12:46 |
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| * sgordon_ wanders in late.. | 14:04 | |
| sgordon_ | #startmeeting telcowg | 14:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 10 14:05:04 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sgordon_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:05 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'telcowg' | 14:05 |
| amitry | or really early... | 14:05 |
| sgordon_ | sorry about that, am on the road and almost messed up my time conversion | 14:05 |
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| amitry | is it not 2200 | 14:05 |
| sgordon_ | urgh :) | 14:05 |
| sgordon_ | you are 100% correct! | 14:05 |
| amitry | i did the same thing | 14:05 |
| sgordon_ | #endmeeting | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:05 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 10 14:05:40 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:05 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2014/telcowg.2014-12-10-14.05.html | 14:05 |
| sgordon_ | hahahaha | 14:05 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2014/telcowg.2014-12-10-14.05.txt | 14:05 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2014/telcowg.2014-12-10-14.05.log.html | 14:05 |
| sgordon_ | i was just about to get in the car, and though WAIT! | 14:05 |
| sgordon_ | my bad :) | 14:06 |
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| sgordon_ | talk to you again later then amitry :) | 14:06 |
| amitry | later :) | 14:07 |
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| annegent_ | anyone wanna join in for a Doc Team meeting in half the time? | 14:25 |
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| annegent_ | #startmeeting docteam | 14:26 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 10 14:26:30 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is annegent_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:26 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:26 |
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| annegent_ | Agenda is here | 14:26 |
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| annegent_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/DocTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 14:26 |
| annegent_ | I'll just do a quick refresh on what I know | 14:26 |
| annegent_ | #topic Action items from last meeting | 14:27 |
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| annegent_ | I was going to set up video meetups | 14:27 |
| annegent_ | haven't started | 14:27 |
| annegent_ | and I was to follow up on the designs with Wes, the foundation designer | 14:27 |
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| annegent_ | and that's done | 14:27 |
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| annegent_ | #topic Specs in review | 14:28 |
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| annegent_ | Just wanted to bring up the spec reviews going on. We're getting input on the driver docs changes | 14:28 |
| annegent_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/133372/ | 14:29 |
| annegent_ | I guess I'd better request the rewording I mentioned by -1ing. | 14:29 |
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| annegent_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/139154/ | 14:29 |
| annegent_ | Steve asked about translations, whether they're not being considered. They are, but in phases since not all docs will go to the new design immediately. | 14:30 |
| annegent_ | Would love more input there. | 14:30 |
| annegent_ | Training group has a spec about XML conersion | 14:30 |
| annegent_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/140109/ | 14:30 |
| annegent_ | conversion that is | 14:30 |
| annegent_ | and also a spec for a training VM that runs on public clouds | 14:31 |
| annegent_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/137299/ | 14:31 |
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| annegent_ | That's it for specs | 14:31 |
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| annegent_ | #topic Bug triage day for Dec | 14:31 |
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| annegent_ | I'd like it to be next Wed. 12/17 or next Thursday, 12/18. I'll send a note to the mailing list. | 14:31 |
| annegent_ | #topic API doc status | 14:31 |
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| annegent_ | I had a great conversation with John Garbutt about the nova API specs and will rearrange accordingly | 14:32 |
| annegent_ | Still need merging and input from neutron and glance, that's it. | 14:32 |
| annegent_ | #topic Doc tools latest | 14:32 |
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| annegent_ | I would love to get one more maven release but don't know if it can happen before end of year | 14:33 |
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| annegent_ | #topic Open discussion | 14:33 |
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| annegent_ | Heh since I'm talking to myself I'll just end the meeting. :) | 14:33 |
| annegent_ | #endmeeting | 14:33 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 10 14:33:30 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:33 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2014/docteam.2014-12-10-14.26.html | 14:33 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #startmeeting XenAPI | 15:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 10 15:02:41 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 15:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'xenapi' | 15:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | matel: hello | 15:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic CI | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CI (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 15:02 | |
| johnthetubaguy | hows things in the xenserver CI world? | 15:03 |
| matel | Hey | 15:03 |
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| matel | things look ok | 15:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool | 15:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | hows neutron looking | 15:03 |
| matel | re ci: We had a small issue, but that was solved by rebuilding the base image | 15:04 |
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| matel | now we have an automated task for this, as it hit us at least the second time. | 15:04 |
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| matel | So, neutron-wise. | 15:04 |
| BobBall | I've not been called into the interview yet | 15:04 |
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| matel | We have a parallel CI system, so called dev ci | 15:05 |
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| johnthetubaguy | ah, nice | 15:05 |
| matel | And I have a hacked pile of repos that will give me the opportunity to hack various bits and pieces | 15:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | something to test changes in, sounds good | 15:05 |
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| matel | Yes, let me show you a paste on where I am at the moment. | 15:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | lol, I clearly sat next to you far too long... | 15:06 |
| BobBall | Well the dev-ci is currently for testing major changes | 15:06 |
| matel | http://paste.openstack.org/show/148724/ | 15:06 |
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| BobBall | some of the other changes we can put through xenapi-os-testing | 15:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: very true | 15:06 |
| matel | And that's where I loose the connectivity to devstack. | 15:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | a staging like area is always a good plan though | 15:06 |
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| matel | So it's progress, reproducable, and looking positive. | 15:07 |
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| johnthetubaguy | not quite sure what I am looking at there, but OK | 15:07 |
| BobBall | hmmm | 15:07 |
| matel | Well, the stuff that is likely to be causing the issue is: | 15:07 |
| BobBall | I wonder if enough is being flushed matel | 15:07 |
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| matel | 2014-12-10 13:55:54.519 | + sudo ovs-vsctl --no-wait -- --may-exist add-br br-eth1 | 15:07 |
| matel | 2014-12-10 13:55:54.542 | + sudo ovs-vsctl add-port br-eth1 eth1 | 15:07 |
| BobBall | it doesn't make sense to lose connection just from setting ini settings | 15:07 |
| BobBall | Ah - getting pushed into dom0? | 15:08 |
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| BobBall | or perhaps it's the setup of the DHCP agent if that happens in the next few lines? | 15:08 |
| matel | I think the issue will be that it's trying to touch the wrong interface. | 15:08 |
| matel | Ah, another news. | 15:08 |
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| matel | We now have creedence Beta 3 running in the dev ci | 15:08 |
| BobBall | gtg | 15:09 |
| matel | BobBall: I am pretty sure that it's nuking the wrong interfaces. | 15:09 |
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| matel | So that's really all from neutron and the ci. | 15:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | hmm, OK, sounds like fun | 15:10 |
| matel | It is fun indeed | 15:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | I know the DHCP stuff does a restart of the dhcp agent, but thats running in the compute VM I would have assumed | 15:10 |
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| johnthetubaguy | its possible the routes that are added block traffic to/from the compute vm, or the adding of a route makes the connection drop | 15:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | that all sucks :( | 15:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways | 15:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Other | 15:11 |
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| johnthetubaguy | matel: I hear there was some news about docs | 15:11 |
| matel | Ah, yes, some changes and updates, mainly around the installation. | 15:12 |
| matel | Let me send you the link to them | 15:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | neutron related? | 15:12 |
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| johnthetubaguy | annegentle I am sure will be over the moon for any doc updates in that general area | 15:12 |
| matel | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/owner:%22Mate+Lakat%22+status:open+project:openstack/openstack-manuals,n,z | 15:13 |
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| johnthetubaguy | matel: looking awesome, I will try get chance to review some of that | 15:13 |
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| annegent_ | yes, thank you matel! | 15:13 |
| annegent_ | only got through one so far this morning :) | 15:14 |
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| matel | annegent_: cool, let me know if something doesn't look right. | 15:14 |
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| johnthetubaguy | s/here/her/ | 15:14 |
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| johnthetubaguy | cool, so any more for any more? | 15:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | no real updates from me | 15:15 |
| matel | I think that's all mainly from our side. | 15:15 |
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| annegent_ | johnthetubaguy: :) only if I get to fly | 15:15 |
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| * johnthetubaguy giggles | 15:15 | |
| johnthetubaguy | matel: thanks for the updates, looks like some good work is happening there | 15:16 |
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| johnthetubaguy | lets call this meeting closed... | 15:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | #endmeeting | 15:16 |
| matel | sure | 15:16 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 10 15:16:29 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:16 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-12-10-15.02.html | 15:16 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-12-10-15.02.txt | 15:16 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-12-10-15.02.log.html | 15:16 |
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| kfox1111 | hey tbarron | 15:58 |
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| tbarron | hi kfox1111 | 15:59 |
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| thingee | #startmeeting cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 10 16:00:07 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is thingee. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
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| thingee | hello all | 16:00 |
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| rushiagr | hi! | 16:00 |
| tbarron | hi | 16:00 |
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| patrickeast | hi | 16:00 |
| kfox1111 | hi | 16:00 |
| eikke | hello | 16:00 |
| thingee | today's agenda is pretty full | 16:00 |
| mtanino | hi | 16:00 |
| thingee | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderMeetings | 16:00 |
| bswartz | hi | 16:00 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:00 |
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| dulek | hi | 16:01 |
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| thingee | Quick note to reviewers for Cinder, drivers get priority this milestone | 16:01 |
| dustins | \o | 16:01 |
| thingee | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-kilo-priorities | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | o/ | 16:01 |
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| cknight | Hi | 16:01 |
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| thingee | it's important for core to help out and help see a driver through or two | 16:01 |
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| scottda | hi | 16:01 |
| rhe00_ | hi | 16:01 |
| thingee | I would like to see these merged this week | 16:01 |
| thingee | even if you're not core, please help | 16:01 |
| Swanson | hello | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | thingee: What's your take on Tempest tests? | 16:02 |
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| ameade_ | o/ | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | Personally I'm not inclined to review if they don't pass the full Volume tests and show it | 16:02 |
| thingee | jgriffith: they're great | 16:02 |
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| thingee | jgriffith: ah heh | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | thingee: ok | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | thingee: thanks | 16:02 |
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| thingee | jgriffith: sorry not trying to be smart. I wasn't sure what you were talking about | 16:02 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: :) | 16:02 |
| eikke | is it OK to add a driver to the K-1 drivers list? | 16:02 |
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| jordanP | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-kilo-priorities ^^ | 16:03 |
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| thingee | jgriffith: they should definitely pass the full volume tests in tempest. that was a requirement as mentioned in the email | 16:03 |
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| avishay | o/ | 16:03 |
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| flip214 | jgriffith: so you'd prefer that drivers faked things because dependencies don't provide all required functions yet? | 16:03 |
| thingee | anyone can edit the etherpad if a driver actually isn't ready to be reviewed | 16:03 |
| Swanson | Unit tests for the Dell driver are going in today. | 16:03 |
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| thingee | Swanson: thanks | 16:03 |
| thingee | ok lets start with the first item | 16:04 |
| jordanP | thingee, what if the driver is ready to be reviewed ? | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | flip214: No | 16:04 |
| jordanP | thingee, but not on the list | 16:04 |
| thingee | jordanP: if it's not on the list, add it | 16:04 |
| jordanP | right | 16:04 |
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| thingee | #topic Abstract interface for volume drivers | 16:04 |
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| thingee | mkoderer: here? | 16:04 |
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| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/127455/ | 16:05 |
| thingee | so that's the review that's sitting ^ | 16:05 |
| thingee | I want to know what the rest of the folks think of drivers having to adopt this | 16:05 |
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| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138661/2/cinder/volume/drivers/rbd.py | 16:05 |
| flip214 | +1 | 16:05 |
| thingee | that's an example of the rbd driver with it | 16:05 |
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| thingee | discuss | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:05 |
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| hemna_ | morning | 16:06 |
| eikke | thingee: what would the timeframe be? | 16:06 |
| patrickeast | i was curious what the impact will be for drivers that inherit from the iscsi/san driver base class | 16:06 |
| thingee | eikke: to adopt it? none yet. | 16:06 |
| flip214 | I think that's a nice feature-detecting implementation | 16:06 |
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| asselin | o/ | 16:06 |
| thingee | patrickeast: explain | 16:06 |
| eikke | flip214: +1 | 16:06 |
| DuncanT | Timeline would be best-effort for Kilo, I think | 16:07 |
| e0ne | should all new drivers in K use it? | 16:07 |
| patrickeast | well the rbd example shows one that uses just the volume driver directly | 16:07 |
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| thingee | patrickeast: I think it would be the same? | 16:07 |
| thingee | it's the core features that alll drivers need to have today | 16:07 |
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| akerr | patrickeast: your driver should inherit the features from the parent, and then you would need to add any other extra features you need | 16:08 |
| patrickeast | ok got it | 16:08 |
| thingee | so IMO, adopting this shouldn't be difficult. I think just like third party CI we need good communication and reasonable time | 16:08 |
| avishay | seems like an easy enough change | 16:09 |
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| thingee | if we agree with this change, we can communicate to maintainers by the end of kilo | 16:09 |
| thingee | that's two milestones... | 16:09 |
| thingee | anyone disagree? | 16:09 |
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| jgriffith | Just FYI I gave it a -1 because it introduces merge conflicts for items in progress | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | +1 | 16:09 |
| ameade_ | +1 sounds easy enough | 16:09 |
| hemna_ | thingee, +1 | 16:09 |
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| thingee | does anyone disagree with this change and approach? | 16:10 |
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| rushiagr | +1 (agree) | 16:10 |
| tbarron | +1 | 16:10 |
| eharney | no | 16:10 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: merge conflicts happen - if something beats you to the merge then you have to fix up IMO - adding -1 seems a bit unfair | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: not unfair to me | 16:10 |
| * jungleboyj came in late. We have to go back and look. | 16:10 | |
| eikke | wouldnt it make sense to only merge this after K-1 closed? | 16:10 |
| thingee | ok, I will handle communication once this is merged in k-1. | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: feel free to ignore my -1 | 16:10 |
| eharney | DuncanT: i was thinking the same thing, merge conflicts can get resolved at merge time | 16:11 |
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| thingee | eikke: sure | 16:11 |
| thingee | Ok I just wanted to understand if the rest of the team agreed with this approach and should we continue to move forward | 16:11 |
| thingee | thanks | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | eikke: +1 | 16:11 |
| thingee | ok so we'll merge after k-1 | 16:11 |
| * jgriffith agrees with the apparoach for sure | 16:12 | |
| thingee | #topic CI for zone drivers? | 16:12 |
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| thingee | jnrao: here? | 16:12 |
| jnrao | yes | 16:12 |
| thingee | DuncanT: I know you had thoughts on this from the summit too | 16:12 |
| jnrao | i would like to know, is there any framework in place for us to start CI for zone drivers? | 16:12 |
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| hemna_ | jnrao, what specifically do you mean by zone drivers ? | 16:13 |
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| DuncanT | thingee: My only thoughts were 'we should totally do this' | 16:13 |
| hemna_ | the fibre channel zone manager drivers (cisco and brocade) ? | 16:13 |
| jnrao | Whjyes | 16:13 |
| jnrao | yes | 16:13 |
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| bswartz | fibre channel switches/networks have something called zones for those that don't know | 16:13 |
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| hemna_ | jnrao, the problem now is that the CI system can't do FC | 16:14 |
| bswartz | it's a FC-specific security construct | 16:14 |
| hemna_ | because libvirt doesn't support FC NPIV | 16:14 |
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| jnrao | ic | 16:14 |
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| hemna_ | it's possible | 16:14 |
| hemna_ | but it's a major pain | 16:14 |
| thingee | #idea should cinder have third-party ci for FC zone drivers? | 16:14 |
| hemna_ | we have to do a PCI passthrough for our HBA's in our local CI in order to test our FC volume drivers | 16:14 |
| asselin | hemna_, we have CI doing FC | 16:14 |
| bswartz | the problem is that nothing in openstack manages FC networks, so the job falls on cinder | 16:14 |
| hemna_ | asselin, yes I know | 16:14 |
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| hemna_ | sorrison, I like the idea of having CI for the FCZM and it's drivers and the lookup services. | 16:15 |
| hemna_ | *sigh* | 16:15 |
| hemna_ | so | 16:15 |
| hemna_ | but it's on brocade and cisco to do it. | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | hemna_: +1 | 16:15 |
| avishay | hemna_: makes sense to me | 16:16 |
| asselin | hemna_, agree +1 | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | hemna_: +1, although I'd argue it should also fall on Vendors that consume it to a point | 16:16 |
| hemna_ | sorrison, not only do they need to have tests for the drivers, but they will also need an FC array to do the complete tests. | 16:16 |
| DuncanT | I think that all the people with a stake in FC should definitely be looking at CI - not as a requirement yet, but as something that would make things better for sure | 16:16 |
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| jnrao | I was looking out for core team to provide some guidelines for FC vendors like us do the CI. | 16:16 |
| hemna_ | jgriffith, yah, we are doing some tests with it, | 16:16 |
| bswartz | I agree with jgriffith -- it seems unlikely that cisco and brocade will start caring about cinder | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | hemna_: in other words, if you want an FC driver in OpenStack you're part of it | 16:16 |
| hemna_ | jgriffith, yup. we do testing with the FCZM and one of the drivers now. | 16:16 |
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| jgriffith | hemna_: and like anything, you're going to need CI that demonstrates you work on both | 16:17 |
| hemna_ | but we don't have both cisco and brocade switches | 16:17 |
| hemna_ | so we are only testing with 1 currently | 16:17 |
| DuncanT | jnrao: Do you have the facilities to run CI? | 16:17 |
| xyang1 | we test FCZM too | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | hemna_: cuz that's the beauty of FC, it's not all the same necessarily | 16:17 |
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| jnrao | we are setting up CI for cinder. | 16:17 |
| akerr | we're in planning stages for fc ci | 16:17 |
| jnrao | So we need some guidelines on how to do the CI with zone drivers. | 16:17 |
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| jgriffith | All vendors send a device to jnrao to test ;) | 16:17 |
| hemna_ | hehe | 16:17 |
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| hemna_ | jnrao, do you have an FC enabled array? | 16:18 |
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| jnrao | i mean we do only for Brocade switch gear. | 16:18 |
| jnrao | not for all. | 16:18 |
| akerr | has anyone used the cisco driver? | 16:18 |
| asselin | jnrao, I'd start by looking at which tempest tests would cover the zone driver | 16:18 |
| hemna_ | akerr, not us yet. | 16:18 |
| avishay | jgriffith: i'm surprised you're not volunteering to test FC :) | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | avishay: :) | 16:18 |
| xyang1 | we have cisco switch | 16:18 |
| jnrao | asselin :ok. | 16:18 |
| hemna_ | lol | 16:18 |
| thingee | jgriffith, avishay: :) | 16:19 |
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| * jungleboyj volunteers jgriffith | 16:19 | |
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| jgriffith | avishay: won't be long before I have to I'm afraid | 16:19 |
| xyang1 | Cisco fixed a bug recently but there's still one more issue they are looking at | 16:19 |
| hemna_ | jnrao, attaches, detaches, live migration | 16:19 |
| asselin | jnrao, then having ci run those tests is just configuration + tempest regex | 16:19 |
| * jgriffith slaps jungleboyj upside the head | 16:19 | |
| hemna_ | jnrao, copy volume <--->image | 16:19 |
| avishay | jgriffith: i'm sure | 16:19 |
| * jungleboyj blocks it with ninja like skills. | 16:19 | |
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| thingee | OK :) | 16:20 |
| flip214 | May I suggest moving to the next point? | 16:20 |
| avishay | if we get all storage drivers with CI by K that would be great | 16:20 |
| jnrao | only attach and detach only for now. | 16:20 |
| hemna_ | avishay, +1 | 16:20 |
| akerr | flip214: +1, its almost lunch time | 16:20 |
| avishay | FC zone drivers are bonus for now IMO | 16:20 |
| flip214 | akerr: no, the kids want dinner! | 16:20 |
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| thingee | How many zone manager drivers do we have at this point? | 16:20 |
| thingee | hemna_: ^ | 16:20 |
| hemna_ | thingee, 2 | 16:20 |
| hemna_ | cisco, brocade | 16:21 |
| * bswartz gave up hope of eating lunch on wednesdays | 16:21 | |
| hemna_ | but if we are doing CI | 16:21 |
| hemna_ | we need to do CI for the driver and the lookup services for each vendor | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | avishay: +1 That is the first goal. | 16:21 |
| hemna_ | each vendor's support with the FCZM is broken up into 2 components. the driver and the lookup service. | 16:21 |
| thingee | hemna_: ugh | 16:21 |
| jnrao | hemna_:agree that we need CI for driver and lookup | 16:21 |
| avishay | hemna_: is there zone driver-specific code in the storage driver? | 16:21 |
| hemna_ | avishay, no | 16:21 |
| hemna_ | well | 16:21 |
| jnrao | avishay: no. | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | wonder if we should take a look at how ZM was designed | 16:22 |
| hemna_ | there is a decorator on the initialize_connection and terminate_Connection methods for FC enabled drivers. | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | think there's a better way | 16:22 |
| akerr | is the interface into the lookup service not standard? Can we claim compliance with both if we CI with only 1? | 16:22 |
| hemna_ | so if the FCZM is configured it gets called, w/o the volume manager being involved. | 16:22 |
| thingee | perhaps we can reasonable and knowing that the zone manager works with one FC volume driver? | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | ie turn it into a target, so to speak | 16:22 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: sorry if I missed this earlier. what happened to your FC driver?:) | 16:22 |
| flip214 | people, we're at article 2 of SEVEN on the list, with >â…“ of the time gone. | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: haven't written it yet :) | 16:22 |
| hemna_ | thingee, we can take this offline in the cinder channel if you like. | 16:23 |
| avishay | do IBM, EMC, and HP use different ZM drivers in their CIs? | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: but it's relatively light I think | 16:23 |
| hemna_ | so we can move ahead ? | 16:23 |
| thingee | hemna_: yes please | 16:23 |
| thingee | jnrao: is that fine? | 16:23 |
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| hemna_ | avishay, we just use 1 currently. we don't have both vendor's switches at the moment. | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: no pun intended... FC == light :) | 16:23 |
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| thingee | #agreed nothing. need further discussion | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | avishay: We are still working on getting that working. | 16:24 |
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| thingee | #topic NFS/posix backup drivers again | 16:24 |
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| avishay | hemna_: i meant if IBM uses the brocade, and HP uses the cisco, for example, then at least both ZM drivers are exercised | 16:24 |
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| hemna_ | avishay, true | 16:24 |
| thingee | tbarron, kfox1111: hello | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | avishay: +1 | 16:24 |
| tbarron | hi | 16:24 |
| hemna_ | avishay, gotcha | 16:24 |
| kfox1111 | hi | 16:24 |
| thingee | alright lets all be nice here | 16:24 |
| hemna_ | avishay, I think xyang1 has cisco switches. fwiw. | 16:24 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: good, as long as you are planning to write one:) | 16:24 |
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| thingee | we have the posix backup driver | 16:24 |
| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/82996/ | 16:24 |
| kfox1111 | Yup. I believe we found a common solution. | 16:24 |
| thingee | and the nfs backup driver | 16:25 |
| thingee | #link | 16:25 |
| tbarron | so Kevin and I have met and agreed on an approach that avoids duplication of functionality | 16:25 |
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| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138234 | 16:25 |
| xyang1 | hemna_, avishay: yes, we tested it. there's one more issue they need to fix before we retest | 16:25 |
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| tbarron | I'm documenting here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/130858/ | 16:25 |
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| hemna_ | jnrao, please join the #openstack-cinder channel to continue the FCZM discussion after the meeting | 16:25 |
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| kfox1111 | Duncan recommended making the code from the swift driver more generic so it could be shared. | 16:25 |
| * DuncanT was very pleased to see the chunking base class | 16:25 | |
| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/139737/ | 16:26 |
| kfox1111 | I've pulled most of the swift code out to a base class, and added parts of the posix driver to support big chunks. | 16:26 |
| thingee | #agreed common solution of making swift driver more generic so it can be shared | 16:26 |
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| kfox1111 | I've yet to port the posix driver to it, but I'm shooting for Friday. It should be a very small driver at that point. | 16:26 |
| tbarron | +1 | 16:26 |
| thingee | ok, we might have to target to k-2 in review priority | 16:27 |
| avishay | so the posix driver chunks the volume and stores the chunks in separate files? | 16:27 |
| thingee | at this point | 16:27 |
| tbarron | Then generic NFS driver - which needs to manage its own mounts - will inherit from posix | 16:27 |
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| kfox1111 | The nfs driver can then build on it, doing the mount/config. | 16:27 |
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| thingee | is that fine? | 16:27 |
| kfox1111 | avishay: yes. | 16:27 |
| jnrao | sorry lost connection. | 16:27 |
| tbarron | We avoid duplication of function. | 16:27 |
| kfox1111 | thingee: sounds reasonable. | 16:27 |
| avishay | sounds like a good plan | 16:27 |
| thingee | alright great | 16:27 |
| eharney | sounds good to me | 16:27 |
| kfox1111 | I am a little worried that swift changes may make merging hard. | 16:27 |
| jnrao | thingee: CI For zone drivers: I will catch up with you later on this topic. | 16:28 |
| thingee | kfox1111, tbarron: anything else? | 16:28 |
| tbarron | avishay: yes | 16:28 |
| kfox1111 | if there arn't any for that driver, before then, it won't be a problem though. | 16:28 |
| kfox1111 | are there any schedualed? | 16:28 |
| * tbarron is a bit worried about delay since we are coupled to lots of changes | 16:28 | |
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| thingee | backup drivers? I'm not sure. there are no more volume drivers accepted after k-1 is done | 16:28 |
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| tbarron | kfox1111: look at the multithreading for Swift backup driver change | 16:29 |
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| kfox1111 | tbarron. ok. so at least one. :/ | 16:29 |
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| tbarron | thingee: if we already have a review in process we're OK though, right? | 16:29 |
| thingee | kfox1111: it's slow moving last I checked | 16:29 |
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| DuncanT | The multi-threading is proving a pain to get right | 16:29 |
| thingee | tbarron: the requirement for k-1 just applies to volume drivers. not back up drivers | 16:29 |
| tbarron | I'd like to get https://review.openstack.org/#/c/130858/ approved at this point (bp spec) | 16:29 |
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| tbarron | thingee: ack | 16:30 |
| DuncanT | And probably wants to be multi-process to get significant wins | 16:30 |
| thingee | tbarron: that's a good thing | 16:30 |
| DuncanT | Since threading in python is painfully limitted | 16:30 |
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| tbarron | need DuncanT and eharney to look at the bp-spec | 16:30 |
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| tbarron | I will revise with kfox1111's comments from this morning | 16:30 |
| thingee | ok I think this going a good direction | 16:31 |
| thingee | #topic Discuss implementation direction of PureISCSIDriver CHAP support changes | 16:31 |
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| thingee | patrickeast: you're up | 16:31 |
| tbarron | it has a plan of record for NFS, posix, and chunking | 16:31 |
| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/137175/ | 16:31 |
| patrickeast | hi, so for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/137175/ there was some contention about the direction | 16:31 |
| kfox1111 | Thanks all. gtg. | 16:31 |
| thingee | kfox1111: thank you | 16:31 |
| patrickeast | and it was recommended to bring it up for discussion at the meeting | 16:31 |
| patrickeast | the basic issue is that we don’t have a good place to store the CHAP secret | 16:31 |
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| patrickeast | the latest version of the changes use a new db table to store them | 16:32 |
| patrickeast | i’ve put together a little bit more info and some answers to common questions here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/pureiscsi-chap-faq | 16:32 |
| * thingee scans the change | 16:32 | |
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| jgriffith | patrickeast: so first, I owe you for your patience and explaining the issue multiple times for me :) | 16:33 |
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| patrickeast | jgriffith: np | 16:33 |
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| hemna_ | patrickeast, so FWIW, we had the same issue a while back | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | patrickeast: Personally I don't mind the table entry, even the file is *ok* now that I understand the problem better. So I'm good with whichever method the rest of the team deems better | 16:34 |
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| hemna_ | we ended up finding a solution on our array to store the CHAP creds. | 16:34 |
| patrickeast | hemna_: yea unfortunately we don’t have that ability | 16:34 |
| patrickeast | hemna_: well, very easily | 16:34 |
| eharney | i think it's credible that Cinder should store this info as a general idea | 16:34 |
| hemna_ | hehe patrickeast I didn't say ours was easy :P | 16:34 |
| patrickeast | hemna_: lol | 16:35 |
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| hemna_ | some drivers use cinder.conf | 16:35 |
| hemna_ | which has it's own issues | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | So one thing we need to thnk about is sec people flip when this isn't stored encrypted | 16:35 |
| patrickeast | yea :( | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | We'll have to address that at some point... maybe later in K? | 16:35 |
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| eharney | i wonder if you can get around this issue a different way by working like LIO does | 16:36 |
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| jungleboyj | eharney: I was just waffling on that idea. | 16:36 |
| avishay | maybe instead of another table, add a driver-specific column in the volume table, 255 char, driver can put whatever they want? | 16:36 |
| hemna_ | heh and if you put the encryption keys in cinder.conf, then how secure are we really? | 16:36 |
| eharney | just generate them at attach time? | 16:36 |
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| jgriffith | avishay: interesting.... | 16:36 |
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| jgriffith | I kinda like that... driver-metadata column | 16:36 |
| hemna_ | avishay, like....metadata :P | 16:36 |
| jungleboyj | avishay: _1 | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | errr... table | 16:36 |
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| patrickeast | avishay: the problem is that we need to have access even when the volume table is potentially empty (sans the one being attached) | 16:36 |
| jungleboyj | avishay: +1 | 16:36 |
| DuncanT | We already have two fields in the table for that | 16:37 |
| avishay | seems overkill to add a new table for one driver | 16:37 |
| avishay | hemna_: durrr, yea :) | 16:37 |
| DuncanT | provider-* | 16:37 |
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| avishay | hemna_: admin metadata even | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | patrickeast: it'd be an independent table | 16:37 |
| rushiagr | oh metadata God :) | 16:37 |
| patrickeast | oooh | 16:37 |
| hemna_ | avishay, yah that's what I was thinking. admin metadata | 16:37 |
| patrickeast | as long as it isn’t tied to a volume it will probably work | 16:37 |
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| patrickeast | thats been the biggest issue | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | btw, what's up with the admin metadata that's there? | 16:37 |
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| hemna_ | ? | 16:37 |
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| hemna_ | patrickeast, but you need the CHAP to attach the volume. | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | patrickeast: nope, wouldn't be tied to a vol at all | 16:38 |
| hemna_ | why can't it be tied to a volume ? | 16:38 |
| eharney | is storing the chap credentials long term actually required? | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | eharney: it is for some people :( | 16:38 |
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| patrickeast | so for our backend we don’t have volume specific credentials, they are specific to a host (more explaination in the FAQ i posted) | 16:38 |
| eharney | is it? you can't generate them at attach time and handle it dynamically then? | 16:38 |
| hemna_ | patrickeast, ours is the same way | 16:38 |
| eharney | ahh | 16:39 |
| thingee | eharney: that's what I was thinking | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | eharney: trust me, that horse is dead and I beat it for a week :) | 16:39 |
| thingee | jgriffith: ok :) | 16:39 |
| DuncanT | Many drivers put in cinder.conf now - whatever alternative solution we go for needs to be more secure than that IMO to be worth changing - a field in the db is not inherently more secure than a database table | 16:39 |
| hemna_ | eharney, the problem is, you need credentials for the iscsi session to the host the first attach. | 16:39 |
| DuncanT | s/than a database table/a conf file/ | 16:39 |
| hemna_ | every attach after that needs the same credentials | 16:39 |
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| eharney | hemna_: yeah, different scheme, LIO does creds per-volume | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | eharney: +1, same with SF | 16:40 |
| eharney | got it | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | makes life much easier | 16:40 |
| patrickeast | DuncanT: yea i agree, the benefit is that you can have different credentials for each host instead of a globally used set of credentials | 16:40 |
| ameade_ | how far off would using something like barbican be? | 16:40 |
| thingee | ok so I heard a new table and metadata. | 16:40 |
| patrickeast | DuncanT: this was a feature specified by a customer | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | ameade_: I probably wouldn't even consider it TBH | 16:40 |
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| thingee | metdadata won't work for patrickeast because that's tied to a volume | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | thingee: I like the idea of a Vendor-Metadata table personally | 16:40 |
| DuncanT | patrickeast: Customers specify all sorts of crazy things, I like to get the reasons *why* they want a thing | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | thingee: and the idea of encrypting the keys in the db | 16:41 |
| lpabon | ameade_: I agree, it should be considerated | 16:41 |
| hemna_ | jgriffith, yah, we could have used that ages ago, if we had it. | 16:41 |
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| patrickeast | so i guess if we have buy-in for a new table we can hash out the details in the review/or in openstack-cinder, don’t want to take up too much of the meetin time | 16:41 |
| thingee | #idea vendor-metadata table | 16:41 |
| jungleboyj | Doesn't seem crazy | 16:41 |
| DuncanT | vendor-metadata is what, one table per vendor? | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | thingee: I would like to have a look/culling of all the metadata tables we have currently though | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | seems we've become a bit "metadata happy" | 16:41 |
| DuncanT | On record per vendor even? | 16:41 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT: yeah | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: err...no | 16:42 |
| * DuncanT votes for calling it other than meta-data | 16:42 | |
| hemna_ | normalize it to a vendor table, and FK that to the metadata table? | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: so one table, multiple entries | 16:42 |
| thingee | patrickeast: I would like to take it offline to understand the point eharney made about getting the details on attach time. or point me to the answer on the faq | 16:42 |
| hemna_ | then you could have multiple entries in the table from different vendors | 16:42 |
| thingee | but yes sounds like we have an approach to consider | 16:42 |
| hemna_ | thingee, +1 | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | columns like: Vendor-Name, Vendor-ID, Driver.... | 16:42 |
| patrickeast | thingee: np, i’m happy to explain it in length ;) | 16:42 |
| hemna_ | jgriffith, yah | 16:42 |
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| jgriffith | and of course K/V's | 16:42 |
| thingee | #topic Discuss database cleanup status and priorities | 16:43 |
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| thingee | e0ne: you're up | 16:43 |
| e0ne | hi all | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | my only concern is that maybe we have too much of that already. And maybe admin meta is a good place for this particular problem? | 16:43 |
| thingee | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-kilo-db-cleanup | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | Oh...gues we're done on that | 16:43 |
| DuncanT | K/Vs make indexing near impossible though, so if there are going to be many entries we need something better | 16:43 |
| e0ne | hi all. i don't want to take a lot of time | 16:43 |
| e0ne | i just want to prioritize these things. | 16:43 |
| e0ne | there are a lot of blueprints which could be outdated or important | 16:43 |
| hemna_ | jgriffith, isn't the admin meta data tied to a volume though ? | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: FK in Volume column maybe? | 16:43 |
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| e0ne | also, there are no much perfermance impact from the db side when we'ge got 10000+ records and more then 1000 existing volumes | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | hemna_: yeah :( | 16:44 |
| e0ne | DuncanT: actually, indexes doesn't solve all problems | 16:44 |
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| e0ne | a lot of time takes to data transfer between db <> api <> client | 16:44 |
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| e0ne | e.g. 14ms for select in db bacome about 250 from python side:( | 16:45 |
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| DuncanT | e0ne: No, but a brute force of search of many K/V records is always worse | 16:45 |
| avishay | e0ne: i've seen the same thing | 16:45 |
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| e0ne | DuncanT: i'll provide some profiler result with indexes | 16:45 |
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| e0ne | it will winn about 2-3ms: | 16:46 |
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| e0ne | we need to optimize data transfering too | 16:46 |
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| avishay | the most important thing IMO is to reduce the number of DB accesses. we saw the osprofiler example with like 30 DB accesses for create_volume? | 16:46 |
| DuncanT | e0ne: The win will totally depend on the number of records, number of K/Vs in each record etc | 16:47 |
| e0ne | we select too many data when we don't need ir | 16:47 |
| avishay | and storing heartbeats there, etc. | 16:47 |
| e0ne | s/ir/it | 16:47 |
| hemna_ | avishay, +1 | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | avishay: +1, started cleaning some of those up... particularly update, followed by get :( | 16:47 |
| e0ne | DuncanT: i tested with 100k+ records | 16:47 |
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| avishay | jgriffith: +1 | 16:47 |
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| avishay | from what i've seen we've gotten rid of the O(N) operations (like one DB lookup per volume). scale seems to be OK i think. | 16:48 |
| e0ne | heartbits and deleted record is a really big problem on big env | 16:48 |
| thingee | e0ne: so you're original question was to prioritize | 16:49 |
| DuncanT | deleted records in quota reservations bit us recently | 16:49 |
| thingee | your* | 16:49 |
| DuncanT | 12 million of the damn things | 16:49 |
| e0ne | thingee: yes. and verify existing blueprints | 16:49 |
| hemna_ | doh | 16:49 |
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| thingee | anyone want to work with e0ne on this? | 16:50 |
| tbarron | DuncanT: :-) | 16:50 |
| rushiagr | I'd like to volunteer | 16:50 |
| rushiagr | myself | 16:50 |
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| e0ne | rushiagr: thanks! | 16:50 |
| avishay | DuncanT: do they ever get deleted, or are they just marked as deleted? | 16:50 |
| thingee | I'd recommend just carry conversations in #openstack-cinder and people might over read them and chime in. | 16:50 |
| rushiagr | e0ne: :) | 16:50 |
| thingee | #topic Discuss HA issues mentioned by Ops during the summit | 16:51 |
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| dulek | hi all | 16:51 |
| dulek | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-crossproject-ha-integration | 16:51 |
| akerr | i've always wondered why deleted records stick around rather than getting deleted | 16:51 |
| DuncanT | avishay: There's nothing in cinder to delete them at the moment, you need to implement something outside of cinder | 16:51 |
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| thingee | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-crossproject-ha-integration | 16:51 |
| dulek | this is from the summit session | 16:51 |
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| dulek | there are multiple cinder issues mentioned, one of them is no recovery in case of failure mid-task | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | akerr: audit, billing, record-keeping etc etc | 16:51 |
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| dulek | our operators are constantly encountering this, so I'm motivated to work on it | 16:52 |
| e0ne | dulek: +1 from me | 16:52 |
| dulek | I can offer my full time + maybe another our developer to drive this topic through Kilo cycle, I would just need some guidance where and how to start | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | dulek: curious, is anybody else in OpenStack solving this? | 16:52 |
| avishay | DuncanT: gotcha thanks | 16:52 |
| dulek | jgriffith: taskflow? Glance is integrating with in Kilo. | 16:52 |
| thingee | dulek: great. i think there might be some discussions that happened at the summit that might overlap with this. I have not read this over myself though to verify atm | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | dulek: ie is there any project that recovers from failure mid-action | 16:52 |
| flip214 | is the HA wanted on a per-service level? | 16:52 |
| hemna_ | jgriffith, wasn't one portion of this looking at removing the local locks in the volume manager? | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | dulek: Glance is a trivial non-interesting case IMO | 16:53 |
| flip214 | because the easy solution is to put some services in a VM and have *that* HA via pacemaker... | 16:53 |
| hemna_ | jgriffith, and we had spoke about this in the meetup in paris to add 'ing' state checks in the API to prevent actions being taken | 16:53 |
| dulek | flip214: Well, still you lose your request | 16:53 |
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| dulek | Also you have no possibility to safely close the service (for upgrade for example) | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | flip214: that's not really the problem being discussed, it's more about rpc dropping on the floor mid-stream or db getting out of sync or stuck | 16:54 |
| e0ne | flip214: we need some monitoring/healthcheck api for pacemaker | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | flip214: solutions like pacemaker and A/A nodes are in existence | 16:54 |
| dulek | I don't want to waste meeting time so maybe someone can volunteer to explain me status of that offline? ML replies were a little too vague for me to understand anything. | 16:54 |
| thingee | dulek: I'll make an action item for myself to review this and see if some of the other stuff in progress takes care of the concerns. I'll provide a blueprint/spec when necessary. | 16:54 |
| thingee | #action thingee to review HA etherpad to see what overlaps | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | dulek: so for the sake of record keeping, I think it's a GREAT thing to work on | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | dulek: just found the problems to be stated a bit too vaguely | 16:55 |
| avishay | thingee: if you have any questions, i wrote most of the comments in the etherpad | 16:55 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: +1 | 16:55 |
| thingee | avishay: thanks! | 16:55 |
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| dulek | thingee: Can you answer on the ML then when you finish? | 16:55 |
| dulek | e0ne: you also wanted to kickoff a HA-related topic today, right? | 16:55 |
| thingee | jgriffith: usually that's how it is. I think it's important to point dulek to the work in progress that are smaller chunks to work towards this | 16:55 |
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| thingee | dulek: sure | 16:56 |
| dulek | thingee: +1, that's what I need to start helping. :) | 16:56 |
| e0ne | dulek: i'm ready to start it almost anytime:) | 16:56 |
| thingee | dulek: ok I need to move onto the next topic, sorry | 16:56 |
| jgriffith | thingee: yeah, I'd appreciate that pointer as well :) Maybe link them on the etherpad | 16:56 |
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| thingee | #topic Third Party CI updates | 16:56 |
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| thingee | asselin: go go go! | 16:56 |
| * jgriffith keeps loosing track of thangp and harlowja_away 's work :( | 16:56 | |
| asselin | hi, real quick: | 16:57 |
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| asselin | Would like to invite Cinder third party ci "operators" to third party ci meeting: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ThirdParty | 16:57 |
| thingee | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ThirdParty | 16:57 |
| asselin | would be great to have more participation | 16:57 |
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| asselin | Meeting time change is proposed on mailing list. Vote here: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-December/052546.html | 16:57 |
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| asselin | go vote for new meeting time! | 16:57 |
| thingee | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-December/052546.html | 16:57 |
| asselin | lastly, Asselin is proposing an in-tree 3rd party ci solution. Idea well received in 3rd party ci & infra meetings. Please review spec and/or let me know your interest. | 16:57 |
| asselin | #link Gerrit topic "thirdpartyci" query: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:thirdpartyci,n,z | 16:57 |
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| eikke | asselin: we're interested in this | 16:58 |
| flip214 | asselin: are the times UTC? | 16:59 |
| asselin | you can ping me in the -cinder channel, or comment on spec. | 16:59 |
| asselin | flip214, yes | 16:59 |
| flip214 | +1 for A | 16:59 |
| asselin | eikke, great :) | 16:59 |
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| rushiagr | /whois asselin | 16:59 |
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| asselin | rushiagr, Ramy Asselin | 16:59 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 17:00 |
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| jgriffith | rushiagr: who is John Galt! | 17:00 |
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| flip214 | that's a rather manual way of answering whois. | 17:00 |
| thingee | thanks everyone! | 17:00 |
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| thingee | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
| asselin | thanks | 17:00 |
| eikke | jgriffith: would now be the time to bring up what we discussed yesterday? | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:00 | |
| jungleboyj | Thanks! | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 10 17:00:19 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-12-10-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| rushiagr | bahh, IRC fail :( | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-12-10-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-12-10-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
| hemna_ | jgriffith, :) | 17:00 |
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| eikke | argh! I'm too slow :( | 17:00 |
| tjones1 | thanks jgriffith | 17:00 |
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| tjones1 | #startmeeting vmwareapi | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 10 17:00:45 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tjones1. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vmwareapi' | 17:00 |
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| tjones1 | hi folks | 17:01 |
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| tjones1 | who;s here today? | 17:01 |
| thangp | o/ | 17:01 |
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| rgerganov | hello | 17:01 |
| thangp | small crowd | 17:01 |
| sabari | hello | 17:01 |
| tjones1 | sorry for all of the confusion about this meeting time. this IS the right time (since we are in DST in the US) | 17:01 |
| rgerganov | gary will join in a minute | 17:02 |
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| tjones1 | yeah it's been super small (like just me) for a few weeks :-) | 17:02 |
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| tjones1 | ok lets get started | 17:02 |
| garyk | hi | 17:02 |
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| tjones1 | #topic BP in flight | 17:02 |
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| tjones1 | garyk: SPBM done!!!! | 17:03 |
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| garyk | the ephemeral on has one patch outstanding - resize | 17:03 |
| garyk | yay! - nearly a year in review :) | 17:03 |
| rgerganov | two of the vSAN patches landed, two more to go | 17:03 |
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| tjones1 | awesome - i think that someone started it before i started in nova - over 2 years now | 17:03 |
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| tjones1 | how about ova? | 17:03 |
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| rgerganov | I have restored the OVA patch | 17:03 |
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| rgerganov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/82715/ | 17:04 |
| rgerganov | it is ready for review | 17:04 |
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| tjones1 | great - lets jump on that | 17:04 |
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| tjones1 | so we *might* get this done by k1 (12/18) | 17:04 |
| tjones1 | 12/18 that was | 17:05 |
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| rgerganov | it's only one patch and it is in good shape IMO | 17:05 |
| tjones1 | realistically i suspect just vsan and ephemeral - but is is really much better progress than icehouse or havana for us | 17:05 |
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| garyk | yes, the reviews are great at the moment! | 17:05 |
| tjones1 | great - maybe even ova. lets please keep up on the reviews - i myself have been really bad about it but plan on getting better | 17:05 |
| rgerganov | the last vSAN patch was approved but I had to rebase | 17:06 |
| tjones1 | awwww | 17:06 |
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| tjones1 | ok moving on to BP not approved | 17:06 |
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| tjones1 | rgerganov: how's the console work going ? | 17:06 |
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| tjones1 | #link 127283 | 17:07 |
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| tjones1 | oops | 17:07 |
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| rgerganov | tjones1: it is on hold because I was busy with everything else | 17:07 |
| rgerganov | I will start working on it soon | 17:07 |
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| tjones1 | ah ok - 1st to update the api right? | 17:07 |
| tjones1 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/127283 | 17:07 |
| rgerganov | yeah | 17:07 |
| tjones1 | need a new spec for that? | 17:07 |
| rgerganov | yup, I will prepare a new spec for consolidating the console APIs | 17:08 |
| tjones1 | ok great | 17:08 |
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| tjones1 | sorry - i've forgotten who took over for arnaud on the ova with multiple disks with tflower (and dims) | 17:08 |
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| tjones1 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/128691/14 | 17:09 |
| tjones1 | looks like it's lost momentum | 17:09 |
| rgerganov | I can take it because I am already working on OVA | 17:09 |
| tjones1 | ok great - thanks | 17:09 |
| rgerganov | tflower needs to address the comments on the spec | 17:09 |
| tjones1 | yeah | 17:09 |
| tjones1 | i'll ping him | 17:09 |
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| tjones1 | the other 2 in flight don't have their people here. thangp did you have any specs in review you wanted to discuss? | 17:10 |
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| garyk | could that be realted to the patches with the bdm support | 17:10 |
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| tjones1 | garyk: ? | 17:11 |
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| garyk | the spec that you mentioned above | 17:11 |
| garyk | sec. | 17:11 |
| garyk | it may be related to https://review.openstack.org/128508 | 17:12 |
| garyk | that is, it should be able to use that patch | 17:12 |
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| rgerganov | garyk: when having multiple disks in the OVA? | 17:12 |
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| thangp | tjones1: not really | 17:12 |
| tjones1 | oh ok | 17:12 |
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| thangp | just waiting on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/128508/ to be approved | 17:13 |
| thangp | it was rebased a few times | 17:13 |
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| tjones1 | ok cool | 17:14 |
| thangp | it got +1 from mbooth, garyk, etc. but was lost in the rebase | 17:14 |
| tjones1 | anything else on BP/spec in review? | 17:14 |
| tjones1 | if not... | 17:14 |
| tjones1 | #topic patches in flight | 17:14 |
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| tjones1 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+message:vmware,n,z | 17:14 |
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| tjones1 | there is one here that arnaud had - anyone interested in taking it over? #link https://review.openstack.org/136935 | 17:15 |
| rgerganov | surprisingly we don't have too many patches in review :) | 17:15 |
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| rgerganov | garyk is already babysitting this one | 17:16 |
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| tjones1 | oh ok thanks garyk | 17:17 |
| tjones1 | last topic from me is bugs | 17:17 |
| tjones1 | #topic bugs | 17:17 |
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| tjones1 | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=&field.structural_subscriber=&field.tag=vmware&field.tags_combinator=ANY&field.has_cve.used=&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.omit | 17:18 |
| tjones1 | ugh | 17:18 |
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| rgerganov | do you have a link handy? | 17:18 |
| tjones1 | sorry | 17:18 |
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| tjones1 | yes it's that huge one | 17:18 |
| tjones1 | not getting many new ones | 17:18 |
| tjones1 | if we have new folks joining - we have plenty for them to start up on | 17:19 |
| rgerganov | we have patches in flight for most of the high prio bugs | 17:20 |
| tjones1 | yeah i don't see anything really bad there (other than the count) | 17:20 |
| rgerganov | :) | 17:20 |
| tjones1 | lets move on | 17:20 |
| tjones1 | #topic open discusssion | 17:20 |
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| tjones1 | anyone want to bring anything up? | 17:21 |
| tjones1 | i have one thing | 17:21 |
| tjones1 | is this meeting useful and if so how can we make it more useful? | 17:21 |
| garyk | it is useful - problem is we have lost momentum due to summit etc. | 17:22 |
| thangp | usefule to me | 17:22 |
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| rgerganov | garyk: +1 | 17:22 |
| thangp | * useful | 17:22 |
| rgerganov | if we want new contributors we need to keep this meeting | 17:23 |
| thangp | it's the coffee and cappiccino | 17:23 |
| tjones1 | ok is there a better structure?? im not married to being the chair if someone else wants to do it also | 17:23 |
| garyk | rgerganov: +1 | 17:23 |
| tjones1 | thangp: :-) | 17:23 |
| garyk | i think that the structure is good | 17:23 |
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| garyk | one of the concerns that i have is that we just do nova. we should also cover cinder, glance and neutron | 17:23 |
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| garyk | so maybe we can have sections for the updates. | 17:24 |
| tjones1 | funny - i was just thinking that this morning that we don't have a forum for all of them | 17:24 |
| tjones1 | does neutron already have a meeting? | 17:24 |
| garyk | the nova is where the bulk of the work is at the moment but it would be good to have an item for the opthers - there may be integration points etc | 17:24 |
| rgerganov | that's a very good point | 17:24 |
| garyk | there is a general neutron meeting but not vmware specific stuff | 17:25 |
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| garyk | with the NSXv proposal in K we will have some issues with nova that we need to address (and naturally neutron) | 17:25 |
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| tjones1 | ok that's a good idea. | 17:25 |
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| tjones1 | i'll need to ask vipin if he can attend this late or move it to earlier | 17:25 |
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| garyk | thangp: i made one more pass on the bdm stuff and saw on minor issue if you could please look at it (sorry for chiming in late) | 17:26 |
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| tjones1 | #action: tracy to send email on the ML letting people know that we will cover glance, nova, neutron, and cinder at this meeting going forward. | 17:26 |
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| thangp | garyk: sure, looking | 17:27 |
| garyk | thanks! | 17:27 |
| tjones1 | im not hearing anyone clambering to be the chair of the meeting | 17:27 |
| garyk | i am going to have to drop off now. nice chatting with you guys again. sorry and have a good day/night or whatever tz you are | 17:27 |
| tjones1 | ok see ya | 17:27 |
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| rgerganov | bye gary | 17:28 |
| tjones1 | i'll take that to be "im doing a good job" and not "no one else wants to do it" | 17:28 |
| tjones1 | :-) | 17:28 |
| tjones1 | ok that's it i think | 17:28 |
| tjones1 | thanks guys and talk to you next week | 17:28 |
| rgerganov | thanks tracy | 17:28 |
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| tjones1 | #endmeeting | 17:28 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 10 17:28:43 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:28 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2014/vmwareapi.2014-12-10-17.00.html | 17:28 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2014/vmwareapi.2014-12-10-17.00.txt | 17:28 |
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| sarob | Morn | 18:00 |
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| sarob | Anyone here for the trainers meet? | 18:01 |
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| sarob | #startmeeting trainers | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 10 18:01:31 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trainers' | 18:01 |
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| sarob | Any trainers online? | 18:05 |
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| elo | I'm here | 18:05 |
| elo | Sorry… Eric is here | 18:05 |
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| sarob | Hello | 18:06 |
| sarob | Hi Eric | 18:06 |
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| sarob | Reed you around? | 18:07 |
| sarob | Loic? | 18:07 |
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| sarob | Rick Evans has a conflict | 18:08 |
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| sarob | And the meeting notice hasn't yet posted to the irc meet page | 18:08 |
| sarob | So it's just us | 18:09 |
| sarob | This time | 18:09 |
| sarob | Elo any news on your end? | 18:09 |
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| elo | no | 18:10 |
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| sarob | Okau | 18:10 |
| sarob | Okay | 18:11 |
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| elo | I've just reviewing the wiki and schedule | 18:11 |
| sarob | Spell chk hell | 18:11 |
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| sarob | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/trainers | 18:12 |
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| sarob | We an discuss the last topic and the break | 18:13 |
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| sarob | How have you gathered feedback from | 18:13 |
| sarob | Training in the past? | 18:13 |
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| sarob | Elo ut? | 18:16 |
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| sarob | We will reconvene next wk | 18:19 |
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| sarob | #endmeeting | 18:20 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 10 18:20:06 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:20 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trainers/2014/trainers.2014-12-10-18.01.html | 18:20 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trainers/2014/trainers.2014-12-10-18.01.txt | 18:20 |
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| notmyname | swift team meeting time | 19:00 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 10 19:00:13 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 19:00 |
| notmyname | who's here for the swift meeting? | 19:00 |
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| tdasilva | hello | 19:00 |
| lpabon | aye | 19:00 |
| gvernik | hello | 19:00 |
| kota_ | hi | 19:00 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 19:00 |
| peluse | yo | 19:00 |
| acoles | here | 19:00 |
| notmyname | welcome! | 19:01 |
| cutforth | present | 19:01 |
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| notmyname | I gave a swift overview at a meetup last night and got to brag on all of you. easily my favorite part of telling people about swift | 19:01 |
| notmyname | agenda for today's meeting | 19:01 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 19:01 |
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| notmyname | ok, let's switch things up | 19:02 |
| notmyname | I think gvernik's topic is pretty short (but a great question | 19:02 |
| notmyname | #topic SWLite WAL | 19:02 |
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| notmyname | "WAL support for SQLite. This blueprint https://blueprints.launchpad.net/swift/+spec/cactus-sqlite-wal was closed by John, in 2011. Would like to hear what community thinks about it. What were the issues in Swift with WAL? Are they still exists? Recent SQLite versions are much better than of 2011 so I wonder if recent SQLlite version with WAL mode can provide better SQLlite response times for Swift." | 19:02 |
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| notmyname | gvernik: any specific question beyond that? | 19:02 |
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| gvernik | yes..here is the story: | 19:02 |
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| gvernik | I did series of benchmarks. One was to upload 500K objects of 15KB size to single, empty container.I saw that container server could process X OPS. If I put middleware on the container server that does nothing, (response with 200 OK), than container server can 'process' 6*X requests... Trying to understand what is wrong. | 19:03 |
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| gvernik | so i saw that WAL can greatly improve SQLite | 19:03 |
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| gvernik | and want to know your thoughts about | 19:03 |
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| peluse | I'm not super familiar with it, what the size/scope of the actual changes? | 19:03 |
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| notmyname | gvernik: we looked into it a long time ago, but I don't know if anyone has tried it recently | 19:04 |
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| gvernik | today WAL has great support in SQLite, much better than in 2011 | 19:04 |
| * peluse wonders if his microphone is turned on | 19:05 | |
| gvernik | and it suppose to improve response times of SQLite | 19:05 |
| notmyname | gvernik: but my opinion is that I'd love for someone to look in to it. peluse's question is pretty important when it get's down to the code | 19:05 |
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| notmyname | but as far as basic investigation goes, have at it | 19:05 |
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| gvernik | notmyname,: what were the issues in 2011? | 19:05 |
| notmyname | gvernik: have you had any chance to look into an implementation? | 19:05 |
| notmyname | gvernik: I don't remember exactly. I don't know if it was replicating it or performance or what? I don't remember | 19:06 |
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| notmyname | gvernik: if you see him online, you might ask dfg. IIRC he's the one who looked at it back then | 19:06 |
| notmyname | (doesn't look like he's on now) | 19:06 |
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| gvernik | notmyname: ok... | 19:07 |
| peluse | gvernik, seems like if its easy to enable then a pre-req for real consideration would be to put it through its paces and see what if anything breaks perf wise or feature wise | 19:07 |
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| notmyname | peluse: ++ | 19:08 |
| mattoliverau | For those playing along at home, this is WAL (I think): https://www.sqlite.org/wal.html | 19:08 |
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| notmyname | mattoliverau: yup. thanks | 19:08 |
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| gvernik | peluse: I know that WAL will improve much response times of container servers, it looks like it will be able to handle more ops | 19:08 |
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| notmyname | gvernik: maybe a good first step is to write a toy app that compares WAL and not. then try it out in the container server. then figure out any durability/migration issues that have to be sovled | 19:09 |
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| gvernik | notmyname,: ok, sort of did it already... but than container data become corrupted at some point.. but performance was great :) | 19:10 |
| notmyname | gvernik: are you able to look into it and work on Swift + WAL? | 19:10 |
| notmyname | lol | 19:10 |
| peluse | sweet :) | 19:11 |
| acoles | gvernik: there's always a trade-off ;) | 19:11 |
| gvernik | notmyname,: I will look at it, gladly. wanted to know if you have some strong objections, but seems you are open mind to check this feature | 19:11 |
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| kota_ | lol | 19:11 |
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| notmyname | gvernik: AFAIK there's no "there be dragons here" danger. I'd love to have a better answer. either it won't work because X or it does work so let's use it | 19:12 |
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| notmyname | gvernik: thanks for bringing it up | 19:12 |
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| notmyname | gvernik: any other questions you have there? | 19:13 |
| gvernik | notmyname,: no | 19:13 |
| notmyname | ok | 19:13 |
| notmyname | #topic EC status | 19:13 |
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| notmyname | and this will get into priority reviews | 19:14 |
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| peluse | so reconstructor is one thing... pretty good progress and should be ready for review within a week or so | 19:14 |
| notmyname | peluse: what's up with EC right now? tons of (big) patches are there | 19:14 |
| peluse | tsg and/or torgomatic will ahve to comment on PUT path (still needs .durable stuff) | 19:14 |
| kota_ | peluse: great! | 19:14 |
| peluse | and clayg has started on GET but I'm not sure how much is in his head versus in the patch right now :) | 19:14 |
| notmyname | and clayg has a GET path patch (admittedly "for the lolz") | 19:15 |
| tsg | peluse, notmyname: I was finishing up some eventlet stuff so that can get released (a dependency we have for the .durable stuff) | 19:15 |
| peluse | priority reviews should be up to date and there are a few that need review | 19:15 |
| notmyname | good | 19:15 |
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| peluse | also trello should be up to date now as well. there are some open questions up there for a few folks working on EC that I don't think are answered yet though | 19:15 |
| peluse | tsg, ahh cool thanks. ETA? | 19:15 |
| tsg | eventlet - some time next | 19:16 |
| tsg | notmyname: pyeclib stuff also has gone through some changes (that I pushed an hour ago) - will get back to the PUT stuff today | 19:16 |
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| tsg | peluse: ^^^ | 19:16 |
| notmyname | tsg: ok | 19:16 |
| tsg | peluse: I need to also update the latest on Trello | 19:16 |
| notmyname | tsg: some time next...? | 19:16 |
| peluse | note: when I say reconstructo patch it will have everything except the actual reconstruction. Sounds funny but that's the easy part :) Need PUT/GET to really be done before it has the final touches | 19:16 |
| tsg | sorry :) next week | 19:16 |
| notmyname | :-) | 19:16 |
| peluse | heh, could have been next year :) | 19:16 |
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| tsg | heh | 19:16 |
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| tsg | peluse: I am down to 2 eventlet issues - so next week is the best bet | 19:17 |
| notmyname | peluse: ya, I'm getting the impression that there's a ton of foundational work that's been done and currently proposed (nearly done). then the visible stuff is relatively small to tie it all together | 19:17 |
| notmyname | peluse: not saying we'll be done next week, but basically that there's light at the end of the tunnel | 19:17 |
| notmyname | peluse: would you agree? | 19:17 |
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| peluse | notmyname, yes with the exception of probetests.... still kinda dark there at least for me | 19:18 |
| notmyname | ok | 19:18 |
| peluse | we can talk more about that offline also, there's a trello card there bringing up the issue(s) | 19:18 |
| tsg | notmyname, peluse: can we get #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/132389 reviewed? simple patch - but this will be one thing out of the way | 19:19 |
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| torgomatic | hi | 19:19 |
| clayg | whoops | 19:19 |
| notmyname | tsg: ya. I'll put it on the priority reviews | 19:19 |
| tsg | notmyname: thank you | 19:19 |
| mattoliverau | clayg: welcome to the meeting :P | 19:20 |
| notmyname | anything else peluse? | 19:20 |
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| notmyname | peluse: the biggest thign right now for those of us not coding a feature is to review, right? | 19:20 |
| kota_ | Sounds like the ec release target could be kilo-2 or kilo-3? | 19:20 |
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| peluse | right, reviews please | 19:20 |
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| peluse | is there a kilo-4? :) | 19:20 |
| notmyname | kota_: let's not get ahead of ourselves yet ;-) | 19:20 |
| notmyname | peluse: there can be kilo-whateveryouwant | 19:21 |
| kota_ | I see | 19:21 |
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| notmyname | so...speaking of releases.... | 19:21 |
| clayg | mattoliverau: i have different idea of "early" than you do | 19:21 |
| notmyname | #topic next release of swift | 19:21 |
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| notmyname | swift 2.2.1 | 19:21 |
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| peluse | yeah, I think its too early to call... we need PUT/GET/recon done and line of sight on tests before we should make release statements | 19:22 |
| mattoliverau | clayg: lol | 19:22 |
| notmyname | final hurrah for the year: getting some of the landed bug fixes released | 19:22 |
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| notmyname | there's a few things listed under "stuff for 2.2.1" on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/PriorityReviews | 19:23 |
| kota_ | peluse: yup, thanks | 19:23 |
| notmyname | none of these I feel are critical | 19:23 |
| notmyname | but very nice to have in a bugfix release | 19:23 |
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| cschwede | hi | 19:23 |
| * cschwede is late too… timezones | 19:23 | |
| clayg | cschwede's thing with the ring warning looks interesting | 19:23 |
| mattoliverau | cschwede: o/ | 19:23 |
| cschwede | notmyname: should i add https://review.openstack.org/#/c/140478/ too? | 19:24 |
| notmyname | however, just yesterday there were some things discussed by cschwede and swifterdarrell that would be nice | 19:24 |
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| notmyname | clayg: cschwede: yes. you are typing faster than me | 19:24 |
| notmyname | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/140478/ | 19:24 |
| notmyname | that one is important | 19:24 |
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| notmyname | there's nothing particularly broken about swift, but the current placement methodology can cause very imbalanced clusters to do something unexpected, and we need warnings for that | 19:25 |
| cschwede | i added it to the important reviews | 19:25 |
| notmyname | cschwede: thanks | 19:26 |
| notmyname | tsg: and I added your EC one | 19:26 |
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| tsg | notmyname: great .. thx! | 19:26 |
| notmyname | ok, so for 2.2.1, anything else? | 19:26 |
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| torgomatic | this one, maybe? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/140178/ | 19:27 |
| notmyname | I think it should mostly be a non-event (and that's good) | 19:27 |
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| clayg | torgomatic: self promoting much? | 19:27 |
| notmyname | :-) | 19:27 |
| notmyname | it's a good patch | 19:27 |
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| * torgomatic has not yet begun to self-promote :) | 19:28 | |
| kota_ | lol | 19:28 |
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| clayg | idk, there's lots of good patches up that need reviews, everytime I don't do a reviews for two days I feel like the entire thing gets away from me :'( | 19:28 |
| notmyname | ya | 19:28 |
| clayg | like, this bug really scares me -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1328735 | 19:28 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1328735 in swift "Object-updater gives up updating container with no success if all containers are placed at handoff" [Undecided,In progress] | 19:28 |
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| notmyname | clayg: I'll look at it and see what we can do for progress there | 19:30 |
| notmyname | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/135319/ has one +2 already (rework splice and tee) | 19:30 |
| notmyname | needs one more | 19:30 |
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| notmyname | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126923/ fsync on dirs has some more work to do, so I'm going to drop it from 2.2.1 | 19:30 |
| clayg | notmyname: a) I don't really know how to test that b) isn't that a newish feature anyway c) is anyone using it d) is it a bug or a footgun? | 19:31 |
| notmyname | anything have any details on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136258/ (fix GET if there is a missing segment in LOs) | 19:31 |
| clayg | notmyname: re: splice and tee | 19:31 |
| torgomatic | I like the missing-segment patch, but it now contains a significant portion of code written by me, so I've not +2ed it | 19:31 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: ack | 19:31 |
| clayg | bah, i disagree with everything today, ya'll review whatever :P | 19:32 |
| torgomatic | we can argue over whether 409 is the right status code to return, but anything beats a 500 IMO | 19:32 |
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| notmyname | clayg: kota_: what's the current status of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/99824/ (global replication). IIRC clayg had some concerns | 19:32 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: especially when you're incentivized (by SLA) to not return 5xx! | 19:32 |
| clayg | notmyname: it's all rebased now - needs a good review - probably makes ssync better so it's high on my list! | 19:32 |
| torgomatic | notmyname: srsly :) | 19:33 |
| notmyname | clayg: ack. cool | 19:33 |
| notmyname | ok, so for me, top of the list is cschwede's patch for reporting warnings on ring balance | 19:33 |
| kota_ | notmyname: I rebased according to clayg suggestion | 19:33 |
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| notmyname | kota_: thanks | 19:33 |
| kota_ | notmyname: I am waiting for another review, write now | 19:33 |
| kota_ | s/write/right/ | 19:34 |
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| notmyname | then global cluster and splice each need one more +2. then GET on LOs. | 19:34 |
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| notmyname | I'll reorder the list to reflect that | 19:34 |
| notmyname | any arguments with that order? | 19:34 |
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| notmyname | ok, I'll update after the meeting | 19:35 |
| notmyname | #topic other reviews / other things | 19:35 |
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| notmyname | what else is on your mind? | 19:35 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: should the swift-ring-builder warning go on top of that list? | 19:36 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: ya, it will | 19:36 |
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| notmyname | I'm working on some possibilities for the next swift hackathon. I'll let you know as soon as I know something | 19:37 |
| notmyname | I want to give you enough time to look at travel, etc. | 19:37 |
| mattoliverau | +1 | 19:37 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: do you have a time in mind for when the hackathon would happen? even ballpark... | 19:37 |
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| notmyname | but the general thing is: yes, we'll do one. before the next summit (probably feb/march). probably (but not at all definite) in the eastern half of the US | 19:38 |
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| peluse | brrrr | 19:38 |
| notmyname | peluse: maybe not ;-) | 19:38 |
| cutforth | peluse: you act like your from AZ | 19:39 |
| peluse | reminder: weather in AZ in Jan/Feb can't be beat! | 19:39 |
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| mattoliverau | peluse: it can by being here :) | 19:39 |
| mattoliverau | Thats the middle of summer | 19:40 |
| tdasilva | mattoliverau: +1 | 19:40 |
| notmyname | ok, next meetings | 19:40 |
| notmyname | yes to meeting next week. no to meeting on the 24th | 19:40 |
| notmyname | also I propose no to meeting on the 31st | 19:40 |
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| cutforth | notmyname: +1 | 19:40 |
| tdasilva | sounds good | 19:40 |
| clayg | sweet swift holiday break! | 19:40 |
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| notmyname | clayg: you still have to code/review. just no meeting ;-) | 19:41 |
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| cschwede | +1 :) | 19:41 |
| clayg | shoot | 19:41 |
| notmyname | merry christmas! I got you a code review! | 19:41 |
| mattoliverau | lol | 19:41 |
| clayg | lol | 19:41 |
| mattoliverau | sounds like a meme | 19:41 |
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| notmyname | thanks everyone from coming. thanks for working on swift! | 19:42 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 19:42 |
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| peluse | later | 19:42 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 10 19:42:15 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:42 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-12-10-19.00.html | 19:42 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-12-10-19.00.txt | 19:42 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-12-10-19.00.log.html | 19:42 |
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| sgordon_ | ok | 22:00 |
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| sgordon_ | after a false start earlier today... | 22:00 |
| sgordon_ | #startmeeting telcowg | 22:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 10 22:00:26 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sgordon_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: telcowg)" | 22:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'telcowg' | 22:00 |
| sgordon_ | #topic roll call | 22:00 |
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| * sgordon_ here | 22:00 | |
| sgordon_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nfv-meeting-agenda | 22:00 |
| sgordon_ | who is around for the telco working group meeting? | 22:00 |
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| amitry | Here | 22:01 |
| cloudon | hi | 22:01 |
| aveiga | hello | 22:01 |
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| sgordon_ | ok, pretty full agenda for today so let's get started | 22:02 |
| sgordon_ | #topic use cases | 22:02 |
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| sgordon_ | so margaret mkoderer and rprakash took action items last week | 22:02 |
| sgordon_ | related to use cases | 22:02 |
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| sgordon_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TelcoWorkingGroup/UseCases#VPN_Instantiation | 22:03 |
| sgordon_ | Margaret submitted the above regarding VPN Instantiation | 22:03 |
| sgordon_ | using the description/characteristics/requirements breakdown we discussed last week | 22:03 |
| sgordon_ | any initial thoughts? | 22:03 |
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| cloudon | would be good to understand the locality criteria a bit more | 22:04 |
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| cloudon | potentially wider applicability e.g. concepts of "network nearness" | 22:05 |
| sgordon_ | #info cloudon comments "would be good to understand the locality criteria a bit more" w.r.t. vpn instantiation use case | 22:05 |
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| sgordon_ | #info potentially wider applicability for concepts such as "network nearness" | 22:05 |
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| sgordon_ | mkoderer, any luck with regards to security segregation (DMZ/MZ concept)? | 22:06 |
| sgordon_ | or VNF instantiation use cases? | 22:06 |
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| sgordon_ | will take that as no :) | 22:08 |
| sgordon_ | will carry that action over | 22:08 |
| sgordon_ | #action mkoderer and DaSchab to work on security segregation (dmz/mz concept), VNF instantiation and seperation of Infra/App Orchestration | 22:08 |
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| sgordon_ | #action rprakash adding Mobile Network use case for GTP tunneling and will bring it next week | 22:09 |
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| sgordon_ | any other comments wrt use cases? | 22:09 |
| sgordon_ | also thanks for that input cloudon :) | 22:09 |
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| sgordon_ | #topic orchestration | 22:11 |
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| cloudon | Looking at the physical access to network resources case: I'm not clear if it's saying there's a gap | 22:11 |
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| sgordon_ | cloudon, i think the intent with that was to document the use case | 22:12 |
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| sgordon_ | if no gap than perfect (preferable even :)) | 22:12 |
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| sgordon_ | *then | 22:12 |
| sgordon_ | particularly the comment 'The main goal of this use case is not necessarily to implement something new but to discuss the practicability of the current implementations. If I missed an alternative implementation please add it to the list. ' | 22:12 |
| cloudon | so is the intention to do the analysis to see if there is a gap? | 22:13 |
| sgordon_ | yes | 22:13 |
| cloudon | ok | 22:13 |
| sgordon_ | if mkoderer isn't here we may skip to discussing that aspect | 22:13 |
| sgordon_ | (i was hoping mkoderer might be able to update on orchestration) | 22:14 |
| sgordon_ | #topic Requirement Definition | 22:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Requirement Definition (Meeting topic: telcowg)" | 22:14 | |
| sgordon_ | so what i wanted to talk about here was | 22:14 |
| sgordon_ | i think we got to a good point in terms of agreement about stating use cases at a high level, trying not to lead with a solution | 22:14 |
| sgordon_ | but how do we want to then turn that into a gap analysis and ultimately requirements | 22:15 |
| sgordon_ | i would obviously like more use cases still but want to start thinking about process for defining action :) | 22:15 |
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| sgordon_ | did i accidentally schedule this meeting in the middle of an SDN conference or something? :) | 22:17 |
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| aveiga | sgordon_: no, just a firefighting session here | 22:17 |
| aveiga | I think it me be worthwhile to pick one use case per week to go over | 22:17 |
| sgordon_ | yes | 22:17 |
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| aveiga | since it's not likely going to be a short conversation in most cases | 22:17 |
| cloudon | is end goal to identify either existing blueprints or a gap where we need new ones? | 22:18 |
| sgordon_ | what i had been musing about we think about use cases in terms of description, characterstics, requirements | 22:18 |
| aveiga | so we should pick one, link to an etherpad from it's section of the wiki, and go over it over the week looking at what's missing, and what, if anything, is planned to cover it | 22:18 |
| sgordon_ | and then the next step is success criteria? | 22:18 |
| sgordon_ | cloudon, both most likely | 22:18 |
| sgordon_ | aveiga, +1 | 22:18 |
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| sgordon_ | #info aveiga suggests picking one use case per week for review, add an etherpad link for it in the wiki and use the week to go over gaps, what's planned, what's not, define success criteria | 22:19 |
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| cloudon | agree - ideally the raiser would have some idea of gaps but often will need help to identify, particularly if from a telco background | 22:19 |
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| aveiga | cloudon: yes, and I think you bring up a good point | 22:20 |
| sgordon_ | certainly | 22:20 |
| aveiga | the raiser field in the wiki should have email or IRC info | 22:20 |
| sgordon_ | i think we're really just trying to compartmentalize their thinking on it | 22:20 |
| aveiga | we need to be able to include t hem will discussing the gap analysis | 22:20 |
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| sgordon_ | right | 22:21 |
| sgordon_ | atm they have names against them | 22:21 |
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| sgordon_ | not an email or irc nick though | 22:21 |
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| aveiga | there was another thread about that on the ML earlier, but not everyone raising an issue is necessarily a dev... | 22:22 |
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| sgordon_ | yeah agree | 22:22 |
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| sgordon_ | not sure everyone wants their email on the public wiki though | 22:22 |
| sgordon_ | probably need to check with the three current raisers | 22:23 |
| aveiga | that's fine, as long as we have some way to reach them during the discussion | 22:23 |
| aveiga | just a suggestion, as IRC handle would work too | 22:23 |
| sgordon_ | #info need a way to make sure original use case submitter is involved in future discussion, need an irc nick or email along with the name on the wiki | 22:24 |
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| sgordon_ | ok | 22:25 |
| sgordon_ | #topic Design and Implementation | 22:25 |
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| sgordon_ | i wanted to circle back on a couple of things that are still being followed through from last cycle | 22:26 |
| sgordon_ | just from reviewing the dash at http://nfv.russellbryant.net/ | 22:26 |
| sgordon_ | which is generated based on the list of BPs in the wiki | 22:26 |
| sgordon_ | #topic http://docs-draft.openstack.org/54/136554/1/check/gate-neutron-specs-docs/53623cb/doc/build/html/specs/kilo/nfv-vlan-trunks.html | 22:26 |
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| sgordon_ | whoops | 22:26 |
| sgordon_ | #undo | 22:26 |
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| sgordon_ | #link http://docs-draft.openstack.org/54/136554/1/check/gate-neutron-specs-docs/53623cb/doc/build/html/specs/kilo/nfv-vlan-trunks.html | 22:26 |
| sgordon_ | ian's BP with regards to VLAN trunking is still requiring iteration and comment | 22:27 |
| sgordon_ | this is the one for exposing whether or not the driver in use supports VLANs | 22:27 |
| amitry1 | sorry, going to have to drop to head to local openstackdc meetup | 22:27 |
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| sgordon_ | so primarily a helper if you want to use them with e.g. LinuxBridge | 22:27 |
| sgordon_ | np amitry1 thanks for your time | 22:27 |
| sgordon_ | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/nfv-vlan-trunks | 22:28 |
| sgordon_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136554/ | 22:28 |
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| sgordon_ | #topic Design and Implementation - ML2 port sec extension | 22:28 |
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| sgordon_ | #link http://docs-draft.openstack.org/73/99873/14/check/gate-neutron-specs-docs/42051c8/doc/build/html/specs/kilo/ml2-ovs-portsecurity.html | 22:28 |
| sgordon_ | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/ml2-ovs-portsecurity | 22:28 |
| sgordon_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/99873/ | 22:29 |
| sgordon_ | there have been some new comments on ML2 port security extension proposal i wanted to bring some attention to | 22:29 |
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| sgordon_ | particularly praveen's comment on december 9 | 22:29 |
| sgordon_ | w.r.t. potentially also removing the linux bridge from the networking path | 22:30 |
| sgordon_ | comments welcome! | 22:30 |
| sgordon_ | #topic Design and Implementation - cpu pinning and large pages | 22:30 |
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| sgordon_ | the design for these was of course approved some time ago | 22:30 |
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| sgordon_ | nova team at large have been working hard on implementation and code is up for review | 22:30 |
| sgordon_ | for those willing to help please see these topics: | 22:31 |
| sgordon_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack%2Fnova+topic:bp%2Fvirt-driver-large-pages,n,z | 22:31 |
| sgordon_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack%2Fnova+topic:bp%2Fvirt-driver-cpu-pinning,n,z | 22:31 |
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| sgordon_ | any thoughts/comments on the above? | 22:31 |
| cloudon | if pps through the network stack is the concern, agree removing the linux bridge helps, but still won't get you to anything ike the perf of a DPDK-accel vswitch | 22:31 |
| sgordon_ | i know that was a bit of a brain dump but i wanted to make sure we didn't lose sigh of these | 22:31 |
| sgordon_ | *sight | 22:32 |
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| sgordon_ | cloudon, agree | 22:32 |
| cloudon | also statement that service VMs won't need security support is... debatable | 22:32 |
| sgordon_ | cloudon, it also seems like optimizing before you know you need to optimize if that makes sense | 22:32 |
| aveiga | cloudon: +1 to both points | 22:32 |
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| sgordon_ | right | 22:33 |
| aveiga | sgordon_: it's optimizing partially and removing a feature to do so | 22:33 |
| cloudon | certainly some VMs may themselves be providing security functions (firewalls, SBCs etc.) but in general think doidgy assumption | 22:33 |
| aveiga | i.e. not fully solving the problem | 22:33 |
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| sgordon_ | #info some concerns about suggestion of removing LB from network path in ML2 spec proposal comments | 22:33 |
| aveiga | sgordon_: don't use LB | 22:33 |
| aveiga | that's overloaded :-P | 22:33 |
| sgordon_ | #undo | 22:34 |
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| sgordon_ | #info some concerns about suggestion of removing the linux bridge from the network path in ML2 port security spec proposal comments | 22:34 |
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| sgordon_ | betterer? | 22:34 |
| aveiga | that's better | 22:34 |
| sgordon_ | #info cloudon notes: 1) "if pps through the network stack is the concern, agree removing the linux bridge helps, but still won't get you to anything ike the perf of a DPDK-accel vswitch" 2) "also statement that service VMs won't need security support is... debatable" | 22:34 |
| sgordon_ | #info concern about balance of optimization versus effectively removing a feature | 22:35 |
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| sgordon_ | anyway - i agree but just wanted to highlight that | 22:35 |
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| sgordon_ | as it would if acted upon diverge a fair bit from the original idea as i understood it | 22:35 |
| sgordon_ | well maybe not diverge, but it seems like a significant additional change on top of what was proposed | 22:35 |
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| aveiga | I wonder if that should be filed as a bug against the eventual implementation instead | 22:36 |
| aveiga | or maybe not bug, but feature request | 22:36 |
| sgordon_ | yeah or separate spec if required | 22:36 |
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| sgordon_ | #info may be better suited to an additional bug or feature request against final implementation | 22:37 |
| sgordon_ | #topic other discussion | 22:37 |
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| sgordon_ | i am not sure we have quorum for the next topic but jaypipes raised an important question on the etherpad that i want to discuss | 22:38 |
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| sgordon_ | and is perhaps worth asking on M/L and discussing again next week as well | 22:38 |
| sgordon_ | #topic OPNFV and OpenStack overlap/divergence? | 22:38 |
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| cloudon | +1 | 22:38 |
| sgordon_ | #info "From jaypipes: Why does there seem to be completely parallel and duplicative efforts and conversations going on in the OPNFV mailing lists and sites? What is going to be done to bring alignment between folks from OpenStack and folks from OPNFV working towards common goals?" | 22:38 |
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| sgordon_ | i have noticed this too | 22:38 |
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| sgordon_ | in that there seem to be an increasing number of cases where things pertaining to openstack design are being discussed on the opnfv list and not the openstack one | 22:39 |
| sgordon_ | or both lists are being added but the follow ups arent going to both in some cases | 22:39 |
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| sgordon_ | now the reason i say we dont have quorum is i dont know how many people actively here today are also active in opnfv | 22:40 |
| sgordon_ | and are well placed to help us understand how to align these efforts | 22:40 |
| zhipeng | do we have an official channel? | 22:40 |
| aveiga | do we have overlapping members at all? | 22:41 |
| zhipeng | i am | 22:41 |
| zhipeng | for one | 22:41 |
| cloudon | and me | 22:41 |
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| sgordon_ | aveiga, yeah quite a few i think | 22:41 |
| sgordon_ | just unsure how many are on here today | 22:41 |
| * aveiga needs to join the club, apparently | 22:42 | |
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| sgordon_ | aveiga, i follow the tech list primarily | 22:42 |
| zhipeng | maybe should bring this as an issue to the opnfv tsc | 22:42 |
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| sgordon_ | zhipeng, yes i think so | 22:42 |
| zhipeng | to have an official decision on how to collaborate | 22:43 |
| sgordon_ | primarily i think what jaypipes is trying to highlight and i agree with | 22:43 |
| sgordon_ | is that for success | 22:43 |
| zhipeng | yep | 22:43 |
| sgordon_ | openstack design sessions have to happen in the openstack community | 22:43 |
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| aveiga | +1 | 22:43 |
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| cloudon | +1 | 22:43 |
| sgordon_ | and there appear to be cases with specific features and even entire projects in opnfv | 22:43 |
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| sgordon_ | where this is not the case | 22:43 |
| jaypipes | sgordon_: ++ | 22:44 |
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| aveiga | I don't think we should ask them | 22:44 |
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| aveiga | I think we should tell them we'd like to see them participate where they exepct openstack functionality | 22:44 |
| aveiga | you can't expect openstack devs to go out and follow another working group | 22:45 |
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| aveiga | and tehy can't expect to have it work without putting in the requests and discussing it with us | 22:45 |
| sgordon_ | i agree | 22:45 |
| aveiga | this might have led to the large group of people in Paris asking about why things haven't happened yet | 22:45 |
| sgordon_ | i follow it more from the point of view of trying to steer things over here to openstack-land | 22:46 |
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| zhipeng | but it is also important for openstack nfv folks to follow progress in opnfv | 22:46 |
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| sgordon_ | aveiga, i think there is also a frustration that some things keep getting raised on the openstack list and ignored (from the sender's perspective) | 22:47 |
| zhipeng | at the end of the day the bulk of the work will be at opnfv | 22:47 |
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| sgordon_ | zhipeng, i think the challenge is that opnfv need openstack devs | 22:47 |
| sgordon_ | but openstack devs dont necessarily need opnfv | 22:47 |
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| zhipeng | devs in opnfv are openstack devs actually :P | 22:47 |
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| zhipeng | what i meant is openstack nfv devs | 22:48 |
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| sgordon_ | this is the disconnect | 22:48 |
| sgordon_ | there should not be a difference between an "openstack nfv dev" and an "openstack dev" | 22:48 |
| zhipeng | since opnfv just doing integration | 22:48 |
| sgordon_ | yes | 22:48 |
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| sgordon_ | but the concern raised is that it's not just integration discussions | 22:48 |
| cloudon | zhipeng: not sure opnfv is just doing integ | 22:48 |
| sgordon_ | as an example | 22:49 |
| sgordon_ | https://wiki.opnfv.org/requirements_projects/doctor_fault_mangement_and_maintenance | 22:49 |
| cloudon | and e.g. https://wiki.opnfv.org/requirements_projects/high_availability_for_opnfv | 22:49 |
| sgordon_ | that's not just integration, that's new requirements and designs for openstack | 22:49 |
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| sgordon_ | and the problem i forsee is that these will be brought to the openstack community later having had little/no discussion there | 22:50 |
| sgordon_ | resulting in spec rejection or heavy iteration being required | 22:50 |
| sgordon_ | the servicevm thread is another example | 22:51 |
| sgordon_ | it was posted to both lists | 22:51 |
| sgordon_ | but the discussion is as a result completely forked | 22:51 |
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| r-mibu | sgordon, yes i have the same concern, but opnfv team have just started projects, so we need more time to identify requirement | 22:54 |
| sgordon_ | r-mibu, agree - i will take an action to try frame an email to highlight the concern nonetheless | 22:55 |
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| sgordon_ | #action sgordon_ to attempt to frame an email to OPNFV tech lists highlighting the concern jaypipes raised wrt to alignment w/ openstack | 22:55 |
| jaypipes | sgordon_: cheers | 22:55 |
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| sgordon_ | i do think it's a real concern and could ultimately hurt opnfv | 22:56 |
| sgordon_ | #topic other business | 22:57 |
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| sgordon_ | anyone have anything else for the last few minutes? | 22:58 |
| sgordon_ | issues? | 22:58 |
| sgordon_ | concerns? | 22:58 |
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| sgordon_ | good jokes? | 22:58 |
| aveiga | sgordon_: beer'o'clock? | 22:58 |
| sgordon_ | yeah looking that way | 22:58 |
| sgordon_ | i am about to get rained in on my west coast trip i suspect ;) | 22:58 |
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| sgordon_ | alright thank you all for your input! | 22:59 |
| sgordon_ | #endmeeting | 22:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 10 22:59:12 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2014/telcowg.2014-12-10-22.00.html | 22:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2014/telcowg.2014-12-10-22.00.txt | 22:59 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2014/telcowg.2014-12-10-22.00.log.html | 22:59 |
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