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| eglynn | #startmeeting ceilometer | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 11 15:00:12 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is eglynn. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| eglynn | hey y'all | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 15:00 |
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| ildikov | o/ | 15:00 |
| fabiog | hello | 15:00 |
| DinaBelova | o/ | 15:00 |
| nealph_ | o/ | 15:00 |
| sileht | o/ | 15:00 |
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| gordc | o/ | 15:01 |
| eglynn | #topic kilo-1 BPs | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "kilo-1 BPs (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:01 | |
| eglynn | #link https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/kilo-1 | 15:01 |
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| idegtiarov | o/ | 15:01 |
| cdent | o/ | 15:01 |
| ityaptin | o/ | 15:01 |
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| eglynn | BPs are looking relatively good, assuming we can get the last few over the line by early next week | 15:02 |
| _elena_ | o/ | 15:02 |
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| eglynn | the milestone tag will be cut sometime between Tuesday and Thurs next week | 15:02 |
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| eglynn | (when we're happy to pull the trigger on it) | 15:02 |
| cdent | is the hope that the declarative test code will be done by end of kilo-1? | 15:02 |
| eglynn | cdent: would you be able to get that spike into a proposable patch for declarative-http-tests? | 15:03 |
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| cdent | it's blocked on me being ignorant about how to get testresources to do what I want | 15:03 |
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| eglynn | cdent: so, punt it kilo-2? | 15:03 |
| cdent | If I can throw away some of the requirements about test isolation from various folks I could get a working version relatively easily | 15:03 |
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| eglynn | cdent: cool, if that's enough to declare partial victory | 15:04 |
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| eglynn | cdent: ... so hold off punting for a couple days, then make a call? | 15:04 |
| cdent | I'll take a closer look after the puppet stuff | 15:04 |
| cdent | make sense yes | 15:04 |
| eglynn | cdent: cool, thank you sir! | 15:05 |
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| eglynn | gordc, DinaBelova, fabiog: BPs looking good for kilo-1? | 15:05 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, yeah, it looks so | 15:06 |
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| fabiog | eglynn: I will address your comments today | 15:06 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, as for mine one - I need code reviews + will fix moment you mentioned | 15:06 |
| sileht | I need review for rally stuffs :) | 15:06 |
| DinaBelova | sileht, yeah :D finally I've added +2 after some research :) | 15:06 |
| eglynn | sileht: I +A'd that one earlier, should have landed :) | 15:06 |
| DinaBelova | sileht, xmas for u :) | 15:06 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: thanks! | 15:07 |
| gordc | eglynn: coordination work is looking ok. just addressing reviews | 15:07 |
| eglynn | fabiog: excellent :) | 15:07 |
| eglynn | gordc: nice one :) | 15:07 |
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| DinaBelova | reviewers are too busy with their one changes and don't review :D | 15:07 |
| sileht | eglynn, DinaBelova cool I haven't seen it | 15:07 |
| sileht | eglynn, I have already one +2 for the infra part | 15:08 |
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| DinaBelova | sileht, you may ping SergeyLukjanov :) | 15:08 |
| gordc | DinaBelova: i'm saving review mode for k-3 | 15:08 |
| DinaBelova | and try to grab second one | 15:08 |
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| DinaBelova | gordc :D | 15:08 |
| eglynn | sileht: a-ha, I was just talking about this one https://review.openstack.org/132649 (the ceilo part) | 15:08 |
| sileht | I have 2 +2 now on the infra part: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/132650/ | 15:09 |
| DinaBelova | SergeyLukjanov, hehe, thanks :) | 15:09 |
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| eglynn | hmmm, do the infra folks normally require >2 +2s before approving? | 15:10 |
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| DinaBelova | eglynn, I suppose they were waiting for +1 from Boris | 15:10 |
| DinaBelova | he set -1 firstly | 15:10 |
| DinaBelova | and then changed mind | 15:10 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: a-ha, got it, thanks :) | 15:10 |
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| eglynn | anything else on kilo-1? | 15:12 |
| eglynn | ... other than the usual request to prioritize your review time on k1-targetted patches over the next few days | 15:12 |
| eglynn | ... pretty please :) | 15:12 |
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| * DinaBelova nods | 15:12 | |
| * ildikov too | 15:12 | |
| eglynn | #opic DocImpact | 15:12 |
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| eglynn | #topic DocImpact | 15:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "DocImpact (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:13 | |
| eglynn | ildikov: the floor is your's :) | 15:13 |
| ildikov | so just a quick reminder for the reviewers | 15:13 |
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| ildikov | eglynn: thanks :) | 15:13 |
| ildikov | I just wanted to ask everyone that please check if the DocImapct flag is there for those patches where config changes appear | 15:13 |
| ildikov | or those ones that affect the content of the Ceilo admin guide in OS-manuals | 15:14 |
| DinaBelova | ildikov, btw, what should I do with merge-agents change? I made separated commit with documentaiton changed -> should I set this flag in feature change or in the docs one? | 15:14 |
| eglynn | ildikov: can you explain what workflow that tag in the commit message actually triggers? | 15:14 |
| ildikov | if you're not sure, then it's still better to have that flag, as it's easier to invalidate a bug, then figure out what's missing frm the docs | 15:14 |
| * SergeyLukjanov here | 15:14 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | re 132650 I could approve it if you folks are all for it | 15:15 |
| DinaBelova | SergeyLukjanov, may you take a look on the https://review.openstack.org/#/c/132650/ | 15:15 |
| eglynn | SergeyLukjanov: just discussing https://review.openstack.org/132650 | 15:15 |
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| DinaBelova | SergeyLukjanov, we are :) | 15:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | oh, I see +1 from boris-42 | 15:15 |
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| ildikov | DinaBelova: if you have more patches for one change, the where you added docs, it's the best IMHO, but if you have a topic, then it can be found anyway | 15:15 |
| eglynn | SergeyLukjanov: (i.e. now that Boris has +1'd, good to fly?) | 15:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | approved | 15:15 |
| DinaBelova | ildikov, a-ha, thanks | 15:15 |
| eglynn | SergeyLukjanov: thank you sir! :) | 15:15 |
| DinaBelova | SergeyLukjanov, thanks :) | 15:15 |
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| ildikov | eglynn: sure, so the point is that a Bug report is generated for those patches after they got merged | 15:16 |
| ildikov | the link of the patch is added, just like a ceilometer tag | 15:16 |
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| ildikov | so the changes that impacts docs can be tracked this way | 15:16 |
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| eglynn | ildikov: cool, and that bug is auto-assigned to someone on the core docs team, or expected to be handled by the ceilo team? | 15:16 |
| ildikov | this is the process so far in nutshells | 15:16 |
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| ildikov | of course, if you can encourage people to fix the OS-manuals docs, then it's even better ;) | 15:17 |
| ildikov | but start with the DocImpact flag is fine also | 15:17 |
| DinaBelova | ildikov, lol | 15:17 |
| DinaBelova | ok, will add one | 15:17 |
| ildikov | DinaBelova: thanks | 15:17 |
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| annegentle | expected by the ceilo team mostly eglynn | 15:17 |
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| eglynn | ildikov: a-ha, k ... so the expectation is that one of our team will propose the OS-manuals patch for the auto-generated bug | 15:18 |
| annegentle | we are considering changing where DocImpact logs bugs, but haven't gotten that far along | 15:18 |
| ildikov | eglynn: Ceilo team, so nowadays it means me :) | 15:18 |
| annegentle | go go ildikov :) | 15:18 |
| ildikov | eglynn: I'm trying to keep the number of bugs low as a hopefully good start as a docs liason | 15:18 |
| annegentle | :) | 15:19 |
| eglynn | ildikov: I'll try to help out with that too ... my eyes have stopped bleeding when I look at docbook markup :) | 15:19 |
| ildikov | annegentle: :) | 15:19 |
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| ildikov | eglynn: the important part is to have changes tracked | 15:19 |
| eglynn | ildikov: yep, fair point, agreed | 15:19 |
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| ildikov | eglynn: cool, so basically that's all, I just wanted it as a heads up | 15:20 |
| eglynn | ildikov: thanks, that was a useful clarification of the process | 15:20 |
| eglynn | #topic TSDaaS/gnocchi status | 15:20 |
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| ildikov | eglynn: /me thanks in advance for the extra care of patches on review :) | 15:21 |
| eglynn | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:stackforge/gnocchi,n,z | 15:21 |
| eglynn | lots of work from jd__ on polishing the RBAC logic | 15:21 |
| ildikov | annegentle: tnx for helping out a bit with additional info :) | 15:21 |
| eglynn | also a nice patch from sileht with a ceph storage driver | 15:22 |
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| jd__ | also finished the doc auto generation from real data | 15:22 |
| jd__ | (waiting for review :) | 15:22 |
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| DinaBelova | jd__, wow, missed this change | 15:22 |
| DinaBelova | need to looks there for sure | 15:22 |
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| eglynn | DinaBelova: (later related topic on agenda for an alternative OPW topic for nellysmitt) | 15:22 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, yeah :) | 15:23 |
| jd__ | I already proposed one btw :) | 15:23 |
| nellysmitt | :) | 15:23 |
| eglynn | jd__: coolness, thanks! | 15:23 |
| DinaBelova | jd__, image resource one? | 15:23 |
| jd__ | DinaBelova: yes | 15:23 |
| DinaBelova | jd__, yes, that's the good start anyway | 15:23 |
| DinaBelova | but I suppose we need some more global one here as well | 15:23 |
| DinaBelova | laters, sorry | 15:23 |
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| DinaBelova | jd__, also ityaptin and I are thinking about background downsampling/pre-arrgegation process for opentsdb and probably carbonara as well | 15:25 |
| DinaBelova | jd__, probably we'll need soe your advice next week :D | 15:25 |
| DinaBelova | and some discussion | 15:25 |
| jd__ | sure :) | 15:25 |
| DinaBelova | :) | 15:25 |
| DinaBelova | jd__, thanks! | 15:25 |
| eglynn | sileht: I owe you a review on https://review.openstack.org/125572 ... will get on it after this meeting | 15:25 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: so opentsdb has no native downsampling as yet? | 15:26 |
| * eglynn has vague memory of a proposal to add it | 15:26 | |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, nope, I've mentioned this - they think that that's good enough task for some usual co-processor job | 15:26 |
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| DinaBelova | eglynn, and that's why they don't have this implemented yet | 15:27 |
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| DinaBelova | I remember seeing somewhere that opentsdb folks have plans for this - but in very-very long-term thing | 15:27 |
| DinaBelova | If I'm not mistaken | 15:27 |
| DinaBelova | probably we can have kind of experiment here, and then try to push this code back to opentsdb itself, we'll see | 15:28 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: a-ha, cool, got it ... I had previously thought this would be added internally within the DB, as opposed to within gnocchi | 15:28 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, I was thinking about this as well, but that seems to be kind of long-term proposal | 15:28 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, and also that might be useful for carbonara as well | 15:28 |
| DinaBelova | to increase its performance | 15:28 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: cool enough ... yep, could be advantageous if carbonara could leverage the async downsampling as well | 15:29 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, a-ha :) | 15:29 |
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| eglynn | k, move on from gnocchi? | 15:30 |
| eglynn | #topic Event/notification pipeline configurations | 15:30 |
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| eglynn | nealph: what had you in mind here? | 15:30 |
| nealph_ | So, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138904/ & https://review.openstack.org/#/c/128411/5/specs/kilo/notification_filter.rst both point to some changes in event/notification config. My main concern is config proliferation...I thought it would be good to hash out a bit here, and/or decide to take offline. | 15:30 |
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| nealph_ | As I noted to gordc, they | 15:31 |
| nealph_ | 're pointing at different pipelines, but the concern is still there for me. | 15:31 |
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| gordc | nealph_: i think they address different issues. as i understand it, fabio's work is just for samples while my spec is for events. | 15:32 |
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| gordc | nealph_: ie. a notification comes in and it gets converted into x samples (fabios work) and 1 event (my spec) | 15:33 |
| fabiog | gordc: I think we could also load the event_pipeline in the database in the future, do you agree? | 15:33 |
| gordc | fabiog: yep | 15:33 |
| DinaBelova | fabiog, I suppose that's lle logical, yeah | 15:33 |
| eglynn | nealph_: is the concern mainly that the pipeline.yaml is becoming overly-complex? | 15:33 |
| gordc | fabiog: not sure what the scope of db work is... if it's just for pipeline or for other conf files as well? | 15:34 |
| cdent | (why aren't the pipelines kept a keystone-known uri?) | 15:34 |
| cdent | s/a/at a/ | 15:34 |
| nealph_ | eglynn: not from gordc, as he's proposed a separate config. | 15:34 |
| nealph_ | but more to gordc's question: I think this would eventually roll into db too. | 15:35 |
| eglynn | nealph_: a-ha, yes ... "a *new* pipeline.yaml" | 15:35 |
| ildikov | gordc: as I know pipeline is a starting point as it is the best candidate to start with | 15:35 |
| nealph_ | gordc: yes, as ildikov noted. | 15:35 |
| eglynn | cdent: a la the schemaURL endpoint proposed for the service catalog? | 15:35 |
| cdent | pretty much, yeah | 15:35 |
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| eglynn | cdent: well, I guess it's mainly an internal concern for ceilo, whereas IIUC the service catalog is more for outward-facing stuff | 15:36 |
| cdent | it just seems that if the goal is to have a central authority for pipelines that is easy to update, then a URI is a way to go | 15:36 |
| gordc | cdent: i think that was brought up at submit regarding schemas as well... i think keystone was not keen on maintaining that. | 15:36 |
| eglynn | (for some definition of "outward") | 15:36 |
| nealph_ | gordc: with all conf the ultimate target. | 15:36 |
| cdent | involving keystone isn't really the important part: putting it at a URI is | 15:36 |
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| jd__ | sorry but before debating that it'd be nice IMHO if someone actually started to write the schema… | 15:37 |
| gordc | nealph_: cool cool. the pipeline i proposed is pretty much 80% of current pipeline... i just kept it separate so it didn't confuse people who didn't want events | 15:37 |
| cdent | If I'm running some tool I don't want it to have to make a db query to get pipeline info | 15:37 |
| cdent | jd__ that's coming kilo-2 | 15:37 |
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| jd__ | cdent: oh someone started? | 15:37 |
| jd__ | where is that? :) | 15:37 |
| cdent | sandy (who's sort of the main push) isn't free until then | 15:37 |
| gordc | jd__: i think we'll always stall at step 1... let's try jumping straight to step 3 :P | 15:37 |
| fabiog | gordc: for now is only pipeline | 15:38 |
| jd__ | gordc: +1 | 15:38 |
| eglynn | jd__: sandy has started discussing the distribution mechanism on the ML | 15:38 |
| jd__ | yeah, that's what I'm saying | 15:38 |
| nealph_ | eglynn: do you have a ml link? | 15:38 |
| jd__ | a lot of people talking, again, nothing is here yet :/ | 15:38 |
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| DinaBelova | we need victim-project :D | 15:38 |
| jd__ | a lot of time wasted | 15:38 |
| nealph_ | jd__: sorry, not following.... | 15:38 |
| gordc | jd__: step 3! then we have to do step 1 and 2. | 15:38 |
| eglynn | nealph_: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-November/051151.html | 15:39 |
| DinaBelova | nealph_, jd__ is about notificaitons schema | 15:39 |
| gordc | nealph_: we're jaded people. | 15:39 |
| eglynn | nealph_: yep, separate schemas ... I muddied the waters here by mentioning the schemaURL endpoint proposed at summit | 15:39 |
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| ildikov | I guess we should get back to the original topic as we have several more for today | 15:39 |
| nealph_ | DinaBelova: thx, tracking now. But not seeing the connection...eglynn: yep. :) | 15:40 |
| gordc | ildikov: sounds good | 15:40 |
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| gordc | nealph_: i could discuss more about pipeline concerns post-meeting? | 15:40 |
| nealph_ | so, back to the point of "multiple pipeline.yaml"... | 15:40 |
| gordc | or now | 15:40 |
| DinaBelova | lol | 15:40 |
| eglynn | nealph_: the connection was the notion of a well-known URI exposed by keystone (presumably in the service catalog) | 15:40 |
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| gordc | i | 15:41 |
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| gordc | oops... ignore. | 15:41 |
| eglynn | nealph_: is the concern that proliferating pipeline config now will make the later job of centralizing more difficult? | 15:41 |
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| eglynn | nealph_: that would be a fair concern | 15:43 |
| nealph_ | eglynn: well, yes, but really that prior to centralizing there's multiple maintenance points. | 15:43 |
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| eglynn | nealph_: ... so gordc needs to represent this events config somehow, and there's a limit to how much can be shoe-horned into a single config abstraction? | 15:43 |
| gordc | eglynn: i guess i could shove it into existing pipeline.yaml | 15:44 |
| eglynn | hmm, there's also the event_definitions.yaml used by the event persistence logic | 15:44 |
| eglynn | gordc: would it make any sense to put the event pipeline in there ^^^ also instead? | 15:44 |
| gordc | eglynn: nealph_: there would just be really subtle differences which may/maynot be hard to recognise what data type you're targetting | 15:44 |
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| gordc | eglynn: i thought baout that... the def file is essentially a filter transformer | 15:45 |
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| eglynn | gordc: true that | 15:45 |
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| gordc | eglynn: but that would mean by default we're taking in all the attrs of a notification... wihch could get verbose. | 15:45 |
| nealph_ | eglynn: possibly...deployer confusion is a concern here. | 15:45 |
| eglynn | OK, all fair points | 15:46 |
| eglynn | but prolly not going to be solved in the few remaining minutes of this meeting | 15:46 |
| gordc | i'm ok either way... i just went this path for now. | 15:46 |
| eglynn | punt this discussion to gerrit? | 15:46 |
| nealph_ | so, gordc and I can take this to the ceilo room. yes? | 15:46 |
| gordc | eglynn: nealph_: sounds good | 15:46 |
| fabiog | eglynn: we need to discuss the MidCycle | 15:46 |
| nealph_ | (after) eglynn: gerrit seems painful. | 15:46 |
| nealph_ | :) | 15:46 |
| fabiog | eglynn: my window to organizing it is getting smaller :-) | 15:47 |
| nealph_ | I'm done. | 15:47 |
| eglynn | #topic Final call on agenda for mid-cycle | 15:47 |
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| ildikov | sorry guys, I need to run now | 15:47 |
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| eglynn | ildikov: np! | 15:48 |
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| ildikov | I added two possible topics to the agenda, feel free to modify/remove it, those are just quick ideas from me what we could use that time for | 15:48 |
| eglynn | fabiog: so do you essentially want confirmation that folks will attend before committing the resources on the HP side? | 15:48 |
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| fabiog | eglynn: well, at least to know we will go ahead | 15:49 |
| * ildikov will read the logs | 15:49 | |
| ildikov | laters | 15:49 |
| eglynn | fabiog: OK, that's fair | 15:49 |
| fabiog | eglynn: I cannot organize if nobody goes there or there is no interest in holding the meeting | 15:49 |
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| eglynn | fabiog: I'll commit to attending obviously since its relatively local for me | 15:50 |
| DinaBelova | fabiog, I'll go through this agenda with all interested people here to see if I'll be able to attend | 15:50 |
| DinaBelova | topic about batching looks pretty important to me | 15:50 |
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| fabiog | eglynn: considering that ildikov will go and jd__ can reach us anywhere we should have a quorum ... | 15:51 |
| eglynn | fabiog: cool, so let's consider it confirmed :) | 15:51 |
| fabiog | jd__: still trying to move to CA ;-) | 15:51 |
| fabiog | just kidding | 15:51 |
| jd__ | could someone remind me the URL of the agenda? | 15:52 |
| fabiog | eglynn: thanks. I will post an update and some logistics as soon as I have it in the same etherpad | 15:52 |
| DinaBelova | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/galway-jan-2014-ceilometer-sprint | 15:52 |
| DinaBelova | jd__ ^^ | 15:52 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: do we have time to also discuss "Alternative OPW topic for nellysmitt?" | 15:52 |
| eglynn | (i.e in the next 7 mins) | 15:52 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, well, I suppose that's more offline task | 15:52 |
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| DinaBelova | as we have first step to do | 15:52 |
| jd__ | that sounds pretty light to me | 15:53 |
| DinaBelova | I mean adding images as resource to gnocchi | 15:53 |
| DinaBelova | but I actually want to find something more global - dunno how to say better | 15:53 |
| DinaBelova | I mean some feature to maintain | 15:53 |
| eglynn | jd__: yes it is light right now, expecting more topics to be added though | 15:53 |
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| eglynn | jd__: (I've a couple in mind that I'll shortly) | 15:53 |
| DinaBelova | so if someone is having any ideas - u're welcome :) | 15:54 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: yeah, adding image resource is a fairly localized change | 15:54 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: essentially follows the pattern for the instance resource | 15:54 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, yeah, indeed | 15:54 |
| DinaBelova | probably some part of the batching process being implemented? | 15:54 |
| jd__ | adding all needed resources to Gnocchi so it works with Ceilo/OpenStack ? | 15:54 |
| DinaBelova | jd__, idegtiarov wanted to do that as well, afair - so they'll end really quickly :d | 15:55 |
| eglynn | jd__: yeap, that's closer to being enough for a 13 week internship | 15:55 |
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| jd__ | I just suggested image as a start :) | 15:55 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: how about getting her involved in the performance profiling work? ... would she be able to get access to the Mirantis lab remotely? | 15:56 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, I'll need to discuss this, don't know right now... | 15:56 |
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| DinaBelova | we have kind of angry rules with access, that's why Im not actually sure | 15:57 |
| DinaBelova | :) | 15:57 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: yeah, that's fair | 15:57 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | DinaBelova, I'm 100% sure that she'll have no access for it | 15:57 |
| DinaBelova | we have the answer | 15:57 |
| DinaBelova | :) | 15:57 |
| eglynn | SergeyLukjanov: fair enough | 15:58 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: so IMO the best type of topic for OPW is some externally recognizable feature or impact that the intern can point to later as their own | 15:58 |
| DinaBelova | eglynng, a-ha, ok, will manage this | 15:58 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn ^^ | 15:58 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: (as opposed to of a bunch of nebulous smaller changes) | 15:58 |
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| eglynn | (I'm thinking in the context of building up their opensource "footprint") | 15:59 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, yes, that's the thing I'm thinking about as well | 15:59 |
| eglynn | k, I guess we'll have to keep thinking on this ... when does Nelly's internship officially start? | 15:59 |
| nellysmitt | eglynn, yeah, I agree.. if it's possible | 15:59 |
| nellysmitt | it started on tuesday :( | 15:59 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, 9th Dec :) | 15:59 |
| eglynn | a-ha, k | 16:00 |
| DinaBelova | we're working on gnocchi lab + images stuff right now | 16:00 |
| DinaBelova | and I'm looking for global task | 16:00 |
| eglynn | ok, folks please get your thinking-caps on re a new topic, as time is already a-ticking | 16:00 |
| eglynn | #topic open discussion | 16:00 |
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| nealph_ | Config db blueprint https://review.openstack.org/#/c/127086/ could use a push over the finish line. | 16:00 |
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| eglynn | FYI kilo PTL update slides here http://bit.ly/ceilometer-kilo-update | 16:00 |
| eglynn | nealph_: cool, will look | 16:01 |
| eglynn | outta time I'm afraid! | 16:01 |
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| eglynn | thanks folks for your time :) | 16:01 |
| ityaptin | eglynn: New bug with samples' duplicating | 16:01 |
| eglynn | #endmeeting ceilometer | 16:01 |
| ityaptin | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/1401566 | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:01 | |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1401566 in ceilometer "Samples are duplicated if different pipeline sources contains their." [Undecided,New] | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 11 16:01:29 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2014/ceilometer.2014-12-11-15.00.html | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2014/ceilometer.2014-12-11-15.00.txt | 16:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2014/ceilometer.2014-12-11-15.00.log.html | 16:01 |
| eglynn | ityaptin: looking | 16:01 |
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| mtreinish | #startmeeting qa | 22:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 11 22:00:39 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mtreinish. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 22:00 |
| mtreinish | hi, who's here today? | 22:00 |
| Rockyg | o/ | 22:01 |
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| dmorita | Hi | 22:01 |
| oomichi | hi! | 22:01 |
| masayukig | \o | 22:01 |
| gmann | hi | 22:01 |
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| marun | hi | 22:01 |
| mtreinish | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Proposed_Agenda_for_December_11th_2014_.282200_UTC.29 | 22:01 |
| mtreinish | ^^^ today's agenda | 22:01 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz, dtroyer, sdague: around? | 22:01 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: here | 22:01 |
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| mtreinish | ok, well let's get started | 22:02 |
| dtroyer | o/ | 22:02 |
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| mtreinish | #topic Spec Reviews | 22:02 |
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| mtreinish | does anyone have an open spec review to bring up? | 22:02 |
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| mtreinish | andreaf: asked me to mention: | 22:02 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/94741/ | 22:03 |
| mtreinish | but I think that's waiting on me, so I'll take a look at it tomorrow morning :) | 22:03 |
| mtreinish | are there any other spec reviews to bring up? | 22:03 |
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| oomichi | one thing | 22:04 |
| oomichi | can we implement tempest-lib feature based on the approved tempest-lib spec? | 22:04 |
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| mtreinish | oomichi: yeah, I assume you're asking about the rest client migration. I think that's fine to go forward against the existing spec | 22:05 |
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| oomichi | yes, right. I am asking for rest client thing. and OK, i got it. thanks! | 22:06 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: are we all good with removing nova v3? I was ready to do it months ago. | 22:06 |
| mtreinish | oomichi: unless you wanted to write a more detailed spec before. I'll leave it up to you :) | 22:06 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: yeah I think that's fine. oomichi you posted a patch for that right? | 22:06 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: we haven't been running it for quite some time | 22:07 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: yes, that is why I was putting it out there | 22:07 |
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| dkranz | git clone will be even faster | 22:07 |
| oomichi | right, and I'd like to write the detail on the spec more for the dev scope. | 22:07 |
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| mtreinish | oomichi: is that?: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/140608/ | 22:08 |
| oomichi | yes, right. but it is very small now ;) | 22:08 |
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| oomichi | and I will write the interfaces of the lib. | 22:09 |
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| oomichi | but before that, much cleanup seems necessary for knowing what is necessary interfaces. | 22:09 |
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| oomichi | and I am doing cleanup. | 22:10 |
| mtreinish | oomichi: yeah, I agree, there are a bunch of cleanups needed first. (it's some of the oldest code in tempest) | 22:10 |
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| oomichi | mtreinish: thanks:) | 22:10 |
| mtreinish | ok is there anything else on the rest client migration or any other specs? | 22:11 |
| mtreinish | otherwise let's move on | 22:11 |
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| mtreinish | #topic Blueprints | 22:12 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/ | 22:12 |
| mtreinish | are there any open bps that anyone would like to discuss | 22:12 |
| mtreinish | or give a status update on? | 22:12 |
| gmann | mtreinish: cinder v2 testing BP is completed. last patch is merged. | 22:12 |
| gmann | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/+spec/cinder-v2-api-tests | 22:13 |
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| mtreinish | gmann: ok cool, do you want to mark that as completed on lp | 22:13 |
| mtreinish | and then I'll approve the spec move patch | 22:13 |
| gmann | Yes, Thanks | 22:13 |
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| mtreinish | for the branchless tempest extensions I've pushed forward a bit | 22:14 |
| mtreinish | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/+spec/branchless-tempest-extensions | 22:14 |
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| mtreinish | I landed stable devstack patches hard coding the extension list | 22:14 |
| mtreinish | and I fixed up salv-orlando's master patch which adds support to disable extensions dynamically, (if needed) but by default it still uses all | 22:14 |
| mtreinish | I think that was approved too | 22:15 |
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| oomichi | is that for neutron? | 22:15 |
| mtreinish | all that's left is to add d-g support to override the devstack defaults | 22:16 |
| mtreinish | oomichi: all projects we have a tempest api_extensions opt for | 22:16 |
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| mtreinish | so nova, cinder, neutron, and swift | 22:16 |
| oomichi | ah, I see. | 22:16 |
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| mtreinish | I'm thinking I might change the devstack side to always be a complete list, because the dynamic depends on an api poll, which I'm not really comfortable with | 22:16 |
| mtreinish | but I'm not sure | 22:17 |
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| mtreinish | oomichi: https://review.openstack.org/140078 , https://review.openstack.org/140090 , and https://review.openstack.org/126422 | 22:18 |
| oomichi | mtreinish: thanks, and I am reading original spec. | 22:18 |
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| mtreinish | once salv-orlando fixes up his d-g side fix and that lands I think we'll be good to close that bp finally | 22:18 |
| mtreinish | are there any other bps to discuss? | 22:18 |
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| mtreinish | ok, then let's move on | 22:19 |
| mtreinish | #topic Proposed plan for moving neutron rest client to tempest lib (dkranz) | 22:20 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: you're up | 22:20 |
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| mtreinish | although I'm not sure why you didn't just write a spec first... :) | 22:20 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: Well, it is not just a qa-spec | 22:20 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I wanted to discuss this and was putting a stake in the ground | 22:21 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: I have a patch for the neutron client changes up https://review.openstack.org/#/c/141152/ | 22:21 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: does any one have any issues with the little plan I put in the agenda? marun ? | 22:21 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: I'm fine with that plan, the only thing I don't like about it is using neutron as an incubator for the tempest-lib migration | 22:21 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: why not? | 22:22 |
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| marun | mtreinish: the thought is that we need to get the neutron api job gating | 22:22 |
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| marun | mtreinish: and we can't do that so long as tempest is not gating on the neutron api job | 22:22 |
| mtreinish | I'd rather see us get what's in tempest migrated to tempest-lib as a replacement for what we have, and then iterate on it there if things need to be fixed for outside consumers | 22:22 |
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| mtreinish | otherwise we end up with a lot of dual code maintanence | 22:23 |
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| marun | mtreinish: we're willing to accept that burden as a way of ensuring that new test development can happen in neutron | 22:23 |
| mtreinish | I'd rather just have one copy lying around | 22:23 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I thought that was what I was proposing, except for a short time period | 22:23 |
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| marun | mtreinish: otherwise, what kind of timeline are we looking at for the client to be consumable? this is a stop-gap, and if the timeline is short enough then maybe it's worth waiting | 22:23 |
| mtreinish | marun: well oomichi is making good progress on the rest client library modifications | 22:24 |
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| marun | mtreinish: a week? a month? | 22:24 |
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| mtreinish | so I think that should be pretty soon | 22:25 |
| mtreinish | oomichi: ^^^ ? | 22:25 |
| marun | mtreinish: as I said, this isn't intended to burden the qa team. | 22:25 |
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| marun | mtreinish: the neutron side of things would maintain the client until tempest-lib became an option | 22:25 |
| marun | (in-tree I mean) | 22:25 |
| oomichi | yeah, maybe one month. | 22:25 |
| mtreinish | marun: I view having multiple copies as more of a burden | 22:25 |
| marun | mtreinish: Why is it a problem if it's not on your team? | 22:25 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: My thought was to solidify the code inside tempest first. | 22:25 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: And then it can be used temporarily without waiting for the actual migration which will take some time | 22:26 |
| marun | mtreinish: we wouldn't be changing the code in-tree. At most we'd copy from tempest/tempest-lib until tempest-lib became consumable. | 22:26 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: exactly | 22:26 |
| marun | mtreinish: oslo-incubator style | 22:26 |
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| mtreinish | marun: that's what I'm trying to avoid, because if we have 2 copies lying around we have to block dev on 1 otherwise things will diverge | 22:27 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: the only in-tree changes would be those that are moving towards the code going into tempest-lib | 22:27 |
| marun | mtreinish: we don't have to block anything | 22:27 |
| marun | mtreinish: the intent is not for the neutron copy to diverge | 22:27 |
| mtreinish | and blocking dev on the restclient in tempest lib while we try to migrate it seems counter productive | 22:27 |
| marun | mtreinish: it's write-once | 22:27 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: the only major work planned in the neutron client is the patch I just put up | 22:27 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: Adding tests to neutron does not impact this at all | 22:28 |
| mtreinish | marun: that's not what the agend says in the 4th bullet | 22:28 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: so I am not sure what you mean by blocking anything | 22:28 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: if there are 2 copies of the same code lying around and people are working on both, things always diverge. | 22:29 |
| marun | mtreinish: I'm guessing the intention was to modify the client in tempest if we discovered changes that needed to be made. | 22:29 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: that item was referring to the possibility that we could find out that using the tempest-lib version had an issue we did not think of | 22:29 |
| marun | mtreinish: Rather than make any changes in the neutron tree. | 22:29 |
| marun | mtreinish: so 'copying' is really just bad wording | 22:29 |
| mtreinish | this is why I thought a spec would have been good... :) | 22:29 |
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| marun | mtreinish: you have my word that we won't modify any copied tempest code in the neutron tree. | 22:30 |
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| mtreinish | marun: if you want to copy the code pre-libification I guess go ahead, but there is the risk of things changing | 22:30 |
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| mtreinish | even if it's unlikely | 22:30 |
| marun | mtreinish: we understand the risk, no worries. it's worth bearing if we can start moving/writing api tests in the neutron tree by having the api job gate. | 22:30 |
| mtreinish | you could also just import tempest, which is what some other projects do (I'm not sure which is the lesser of 2 evils) | 22:30 |
| marun | mtreinish: we can't gate so long as we import tempest, though. | 22:30 |
| marun | mtreinish: unless tempest gates on us too. | 22:31 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: importing tempest has the risk that a non-gated change happens out from under you | 22:31 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: but that's the same risk as the api diverging from what's copied | 22:31 |
| marun | mtreinish: would you be willing to start gating on the neutron api job once we get it running? | 22:31 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: anyway, the reason I didn't write a spec is that this is not about changes to tempest. There is not change to what we are doing with tempest as a result of this discussion. | 22:31 |
| marun | mtreinish: if so, we could continue to import rather than resorting to copying. | 22:31 |
| mtreinish | marun: not really, considering how many dsvm jobs are on tempest already. I wasn't saying it's better, just what others have been doing while waiting for the lib to finish | 22:32 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: It is about coordinating the activities of two teams | 22:32 |
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| marun | mtreinish: We definitely don't want to wait a month, so given the choice we'd prefer to copy. | 22:32 |
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| dkranz | Anyway, that's all I had about this. | 22:33 |
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| marun | mtreinish: Then we ensure that development of new neutron api tests can happen directly in the neutron tree rather than having to be written once and then ported. | 22:33 |
| marun | mtreinish: that's it from me too. | 22:33 |
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| mtreinish | marun: sure I understood the goal | 22:33 |
| mtreinish | I just had some concerns with copy and pasting code, based on the agenda | 22:34 |
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| mtreinish | but I think this is fine based on the discussion | 22:34 |
| mtreinish | ok, does anyone have anything else to add on this? | 22:34 |
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| mtreinish | ok, let's move on | 22:34 |
| mtreinish | #topic Devstack | 22:35 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: seems to be major lossage in the gate now | 22:35 |
| dkranz | Endpoint type data_processing is available, service sahara should be set as available in the config file. | 22:35 |
| dkranz | 2014-12-11 21:48:29.307 | Endpoint type database is available, service trove should be set as available in the config file. | 22:35 |
| dkranz | 2014-12-11 21:48:29.307 | Endpoint type network is available, service neutron should be set as available in the config file. | 22:35 |
| dkranz | 2014-12-11 21:48:29.307 | Endpoint type orchestration is available, service heat should be set as available in the config file. | 22:35 |
| dkranz | 2014-12-11 21:48:29.799 | | 22:35 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: then fail hard | 22:35 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: speaking of devstack ... | 22:35 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: hmm, that looks like verify-tempest-config-output I wonder if that patch broke things | 22:35 |
| mtreinish | dtroyer: are you around? | 22:35 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I think so | 22:35 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: It is that script output. I checked. | 22:36 |
| dtroyer | heyo…I just had two specs to mention | 22:36 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: we can debug on -qa after the meeting | 22:36 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: k | 22:36 |
| mtreinish | in the short term we can revert it | 22:36 |
| mtreinish | dtroyer: ok | 22:36 |
| dtroyer | One is chmouel's on extending the plugin stuff to load from out of the devstack repo by only setting local.conf | 22:36 |
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| dtroyer | the other I just posted yesterday about the logging and service name changes we talked about in Paris | 22:37 |
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| dstanek | dtroyer: does that exist alreadY/ | 22:37 |
| dstanek | err...already? | 22:37 |
| dtroyer | dstanek: just the spec | 22:37 |
| dstanek | dtroyer: ok, i'll go look for it; i wrote some code to do something similar i think | 22:37 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/137054/ | 22:38 |
| mtreinish | dstanek: ^^^ | 22:38 |
| dtroyer | the logging changes involve d-g and grenade, I'm still trying to sort out just how far into both of those we need to go (not much I think) | 22:38 |
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| mtreinish | ok, cool | 22:39 |
| dtroyer | oh, I jsut saw the pre-caching in the agenda…who's talking about that? | 22:39 |
| mtreinish | dtroyer: I am | 22:39 |
| mtreinish | dtroyer: how did you want to handle reviews and approvals for devstack specs? | 22:39 |
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| mtreinish | for tempest the consensus was to have me +A everything (which I'm not necessarily the biggest fan of) | 22:40 |
| mtreinish | do you want to be the primary approver on all specs? | 22:40 |
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| dtroyer | by default the same as devstack reviews…I could do that but I don't want to be a BDFL on devstack either | 22:40 |
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| dtroyer | even though that may be the case currently | 22:41 |
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| mtreinish | dtroyer: heh, ok. I'll add a reviewing doc to the specs repo this week to document things | 22:41 |
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| mtreinish | since the program keeps on growing | 22:41 |
| mtreinish | anyway about precaching images | 22:42 |
| dtroyer | I thinkk I just realized that we put the blueprints for both of those specs under tempest too…I'll move them | 22:42 |
| mtreinish | heh, ok | 22:42 |
| mtreinish | we landed this today: | 22:42 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/140462/ | 22:42 |
| mtreinish | which added a new image to devstack | 22:42 |
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| mtreinish | but in the gate, we precache all the images so we don't go out to the internet to download during the run | 22:43 |
| mtreinish | which is slow and unreliable | 22:43 |
| mtreinish | so I wanted to propose adding a new way to handle adding or changing images in devstack | 22:43 |
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| mtreinish | where we hard code a new or changed image to a separte file first and wait 24 hours before we use it (and remove it from the staging file) | 22:44 |
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| mtreinish | that way we let nodepool precache anything before we use it | 22:44 |
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| dtroyer | maybe have a simple cache manager that provides the list to the download side, and maps those to stack.sh. that should also get the absolute URLs out of the code | 22:44 |
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| mtreinish | dtroyer: oh, yeah that works too, we would have to be sure not to update the mapping on the first pass though | 22:45 |
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| mtreinish | otherwise it would cause the same problem | 22:45 |
| dtroyer | or since this case was just moving to the next release, keep a backup in case the new image hasn't downloaded yet | 22:46 |
| adam_g | isn't that what tools/image_list.sh already does? | 22:46 |
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| adam_g | well, for compute driver image requirements, at least. i was looking at extending that to support pre-caching of images used by DIB for image builds | 22:47 |
| dtroyer | partially, but it doesn't factor the URLs out of the scripts. | 22:47 |
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| mtreinish | dtroyer: yeah if there was logic to have multiple file names for one image and a fallback to the backup that would work | 22:47 |
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| mtreinish | ok well there are a couple of ways to solve this, we can take it offline to -qa after the meeting | 22:48 |
| mtreinish | does anyone have anything else to add on devstack? | 22:48 |
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| mtreinish | ok, let's move on then | 22:49 |
| mtreinish | #topic Grenade | 22:49 |
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| mtreinish | jogo, sdague, dtroyer: anything new on grenade this week? | 22:49 |
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| dtroyer | nothing from me beyond the logging investogation | 22:50 |
| mtreinish | ok, then let's move on. Because I haven't seen to much motion there either | 22:50 |
| mtreinish | #topic Bugs | 22:51 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Tempest-bug-report | 22:51 |
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| mtreinish | gmann: any update on bugs this week | 22:51 |
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| mtreinish | masayukig: looks like you had the triage rotation this week: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/qa-bug-triage-rotation | 22:51 |
| mtreinish | and I'm up next week | 22:51 |
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| gmann | mtreinish: nothing much, we keep count low. | 22:51 |
| mtreinish | gmann: ok that's good. We do need to start clearing out the backlog too :) | 22:52 |
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| mtreinish | but that's always been slow | 22:52 |
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| gmann | masayukig did bug triage this week | 22:52 |
| masayukig | gmann: yeah, we've done :) | 22:52 |
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| mtreinish | does anyone have anything else to add on bugs? | 22:53 |
| gmann | mtreinish: thats all from my side | 22:53 |
| mtreinish | gmann: ok, thanks | 22:53 |
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| mtreinish | #topic Critical Reviews | 22:53 |
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| mtreinish | does anyone have any reviews they'd like to bring up and get extra eyes on? | 22:54 |
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| mtreinish | really, no one :) | 22:55 |
| adam_g | i have one | 22:55 |
| adam_g | :) | 22:55 |
| adam_g | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/140512/ | 22:55 |
| adam_g | its already been reviewed but required a new patchset, should be good now. minor change to hopefully close a gate race | 22:55 |
| mtreinish | dtroyer: any concerns if I self +A: https://review.openstack.org/140090 | 22:55 |
| mtreinish | adam_g: ok, I'll take a look soon | 22:55 |
| dtroyer | mtreinish: go ahead | 22:56 |
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| mtreinish | adam_g: so we're adding a 2 min wait to devstack runs... | 22:57 |
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| mtreinish | is there anyway to improve that? | 22:57 |
| adam_g | mtreinish, we're not necessarily waiting 2 mins, thats just the timeout | 22:57 |
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| adam_g | mtreinish, alternatives would be to decrease periodic task polling interval in both nova and ironic | 22:57 |
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| mtreinish | which could increase cpu load, hmm yeah I guess it's fine | 22:58 |
| adam_g | worst case is we wait for 3 sets of periodic tasks to run: n-cpu, ir-cond, n-cpu | 22:58 |
| mtreinish | and since we dropped xml testing we've got a lot of the time budget back | 22:58 |
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| mtreinish | ok, if there aren't any other reviews I guess we'll end here | 22:59 |
| mtreinish | #endmeeting | 23:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 23:00 | |
| mtreinish | thanks everyone | 23:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 11 23:00:11 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2014/qa.2014-12-11-22.00.html | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2014/qa.2014-12-11-22.00.txt | 23:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2014/qa.2014-12-11-22.00.log.html | 23:00 |
| gmann | Thanks all | 23:00 |
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