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crinkleo/13:59
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crinkleany more agenda items? https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/PuppetOpenStack14:01
* crinkle wonders who is here14:02
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* nibalizer doesnt' have any agenda14:03
nibalizeritems14:03
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crinklebogdando: are you around?14:03
crinkleokay well14:05
crinkle#startmeeting14:05
openstackcrinkle: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee'14:05
crinkle#startmeeting Puppet-OpenStack14:05
openstackMeeting started Mon Dec  8 14:05:11 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is crinkle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:05
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:05
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EmilienMo/14:05
EmilienMfinally managed to be around14:05
crinkleEmilienM: ohai14:05
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crinkle#topic Openstackclient/Aviator/Keystone v3 update14:05
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EmilienM#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/puppet-keystone-v3-api-support14:05
crinkle#info We're abandoning OpenStackClient again because we can't get system packages for it immediately14:06
bogdandocrinkle, hi14:06
EmilienMcrinkle: it sounds reasonable14:07
sbadiao/14:07
crinkle#info crinkle is fixing up openstacklib's aviator implementation to have some of the improvements that the openstackclient proposal used14:07
crinkle#info crinkle will make sure it's able to support dynamic api versioning14:07
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crinkle#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/13994214:08
crinklethat's about it for my update14:08
EmilienMcrinkle: I guess you're already synced with Rich?14:08
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crinkleEmilienM: not since last week14:08
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EmilienMwe're Monday :)14:09
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crinkleI'll sync with him today14:09
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crinkleI started trying to simplify testing over the weekend, so that will hopefully make it slightly easier for others to dive in14:10
crinkleany other questions on that?14:10
EmilienMcrinkle: do we have a timeline?14:11
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crinkleEmilienM: ASAP14:11
EmilienMlol14:11
EmilienMI like it14:11
crinkleI have a three-day meeting this week so progress will a little slow this week, but I'll be working on it in the evenings14:12
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EmilienMcrinkle: no pressure. Feel free to ask for help, please14:12
crinklewill do14:12
crinkle#topic HA with pacemaker14:13
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crinklebogdando:14:13
bogdandoI updated request with specs for pacemaker::service define14:13
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bogdandoand Dmitry Ilyin fixed some issues with gates14:13
EmilienMgreat14:14
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bogdandoIt is ready for review now. The blueprint itself looks finished as well14:14
EmilienMbogdando: quick question: do you need some patches in puppet-{nova,glance,...} to use this new feature?14:14
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EmilienMi.e. if I want to run the HA for nova-api let's say14:14
bogdandoby design, they could be used as is14:15
crinkleyay \o/14:15
EmilienMnice thx14:15
bogdandolooks like we should provide some 3rd party (Fuel, perhaps) gates for that14:15
crinklewhy more gates?14:16
bogdandoactually, we should also address which module for corosync/pacemaker module to use. I linked an upstream one from puppetlabs, but it is really poorly implemented...14:16
bogdandowell, we don't have HA testing gates now, right?14:17
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bogdandoif we want some tests for enabled HA services, we should have corresponding gates14:17
bogdandootherwise, any change accepted to this HA provider could introduce a regression14:18
crinklepuppetlabs isn't giving the corosync module a lot of attention right now, if there is a better one we should use it14:18
crinkleor if we decide to use the puppetlabs one I can try to prioritize improving it14:18
bogdandocrinkle, Dmitry Ilyin has a plans to submit his own version, of the reworked puppetlabs module as a new one14:18
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crinklegreat14:18
bogdandoactually, we are currently use this version in Fuel14:18
bogdandobut there is a lot of work TBD with tests for it14:19
EmilienMbogdando: what is the module used in your patch?14:19
bogdandoI linked puppetlabs corosync14:19
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bogdandobut it cannot work with clones, for example. So if you want to put some service (mysql, rabbit) as a clones, you should use another module14:20
EmilienMah.. ok14:20
EmilienMbogdando: we should focus on openstack services IMO14:21
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bogdandoperhaps, we could give the user the freedom to chose which module to use14:21
EmilienMalso, yes14:21
bogdandoas a later changes. I hope we could accept it for now with a 'stock' one :)14:21
bogdandoEmilienM, probably. But some of them could as well be clones14:22
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EmilienMbogdando: so do you have any action until next meeting?14:22
bogdandolikely none14:23
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crinklebogdando: can you give the links to the blueprint and patches that need reviews?14:23
EmilienM#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136708/14:24
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EmilienMthe blueprint also:14:24
EmilienM#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104861/14:24
EmilienMcrinkle: ^14:24
crinklety14:24
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crinkleany other questions on that topic?14:24
bogdandoyes, thanks, you was faster ;)14:25
EmilienMcrinkle: sounds like no14:25
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sbadiame :)14:25
EmilienMsbadia: you had a topic iirc14:25
sbadia#topic sahara rewrite14:25
EmilienMsbadia: the service management, isn't ?14:25
sbadiaEmilienM: already send an email on the list for service mgmt ;)14:26
sbadiaand it's pretty ok14:26
EmilienMsbadia: you did not have feedback, right?14:26
sbadiaEmilienM: directly on the review14:26
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sbadiaabout sahara, Robbie and I, have rewrite the module14:27
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sbadia#link https://groups.google.com/a/puppetlabs.com/forum/#!topic/puppet-openstack/0BETdNvrd7014:27
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sbadiaI've just send an email on the list14:27
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sbadiaLet me know if you have any comments14:27
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EmilienMsounds like not14:30
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crinkle#topic open discussion14:30
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EmilienMcrinkle: I'll try to organize a Puppet hackathon in montreal14:31
EmilienMnot sure when but we will try. Focused on puppet of course14:31
crinkle#info EmilienM organizing Montreal Puppet hackathon14:31
EmilienM\o/14:32
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EmilienMcrinkle: are you a bot?14:32
sbadia:D14:32
crinkle:P14:32
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crinkleanything else?14:33
EmilienMcrinkle: sounds like we are done14:33
crinklewoot14:33
sbadiayep14:33
crinkle#endmeeting14:33
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nibalizerwoooo14:33
sbadiathanks everyone14:34
EmilienMthanks, have a great day/evening/whatever14:34
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dziminehi all16:03
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nikolaym#startmeeting Mistral16:04
openstackMeeting started Mon Dec  8 16:04:00 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is nikolaym. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:04
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:04
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nikolaymHi, dzimine!16:04
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nikolaymWaiting for Renat..16:06
rakhmerovhey16:06
rakhmerovsorry guys!!16:06
nikolaymhi !16:06
rakhmerovI went to a wrong channel first ;))16:06
rakhmerovreally sorry16:06
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rakhmerovok, let's quickly go over our items16:07
rakhmerovthe agenda is here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MistralAgenda16:07
rakhmerov#topic Review AI16:07
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rakhmerov1. akuznetsova: check if task-defaults work for reverse workflows (policies)16:08
rakhmerovNastya, are you here?16:08
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rakhmerovI think she's done that16:09
rakhmerovlet me check real quick16:09
rakhmerovok, not sure16:10
rakhmerovso let's leave this item16:10
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rakhmerov#action akuznetsova: check if task-defaults work for reverse workflows (policies)16:10
rakhmerov2. NikolayM, create new BPs for what's left on "for-each"16:10
rakhmerovNikolay?16:10
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nikolaymnot yet16:10
nikolaymI'll do it once I finish work with documentation16:11
rakhmerovas far as I know you started this today, right?16:11
rakhmerovooh, ok16:11
rakhmerov3. rakhmerov, get in touch with Bryan to see how his work's going16:12
rakhmerovBryan just replied and said he's going to get something pushed today16:12
rakhmerovI mean his work on "pause-before"16:12
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rakhmerov4.  dzimine, put information about additional features/requirements for "for-each" in the etherpad16:13
rakhmerovDmitri?16:13
rakhmerov#action NikolayM, create new BPs for what's left on "for-each"16:13
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rakhmerovdzimine, you there?16:14
dzimineyes16:14
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dzimineI linked the etherpad to the blueprint.16:14
rakhmerovok16:14
rakhmerovthanks16:15
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rakhmerov#topic Current progress (by team members)16:15
rakhmerovmy status: most of the week I worked on join and at this point I consider it done on 99%16:15
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rakhmerovI'll switch back to rebasing race condition related patch for now (and writing a right test for it) and then I'd like to look at join once again to see how its design can be improved16:16
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nikolayMFixed some bugs, bug with duplicating triggers, write documentation16:17
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rakhmerovok16:18
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rakhmerov#topic Release kilo-1 progress16:19
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dziminereviews and some input to join design, etc with Renat last week; this week I'll look at how much eng effort we StackStorm  manage to commit to Mistral, will decide by Thu.16:19
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rakhmerovok16:19
rakhmerovas far as kilo-1. Currently all BPS are being worked on16:19
rakhmerovBryan's "pause-before" and Nastya's HA testing16:19
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rakhmerovshe started getting first numbers and problems16:20
rakhmerovso I think we're mostly on track16:20
rakhmerovI think we have a good chance to significantly improve our "for-each" thing16:20
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rakhmerovand there's several bugs that you can feel free to take16:21
akuznetsova_Hi there, I am late, sorry16:21
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rakhmerovnp16:22
rakhmerovyou can briefly report your status16:23
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akuznetsova_Ok, so, I am working on load mistral testing, I have prepare a couple of simple rally scenarios and started to run them16:25
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akuznetsova_Today I prepare base for execution scenario and run the simple one16:26
rakhmerovok16:26
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rakhmerovguys, honestly, I don't have much else to talk about16:26
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rakhmerovdo you have any roadblocks/questions to discuss?16:27
akuznetsova_Yes16:27
rakhmerovok, go ahead16:28
akuznetsova_I have a question16:28
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dziminenot on my site; @akiznetsova_: can you share your plans for testing somewhere (etherpad may be), and post to openstack-dev?16:28
akuznetsova_Probably I missed it, but Renat did you finish implementation of "join" ?16:28
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rakhmerovyes16:29
rakhmerovI will probably do something else on it (there's a couple of things) but it's done on 99% and tested16:30
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akuznetsova_dzimine, what exactly do you want to know ? Rally testing plans?16:30
rakhmerovyes, Nastya, I think you just need to share what we have in our Google Doc16:30
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rakhmerovgenerally, we already have a lot of info16:30
rakhmerovso that all the folks could see and provide their feedback16:31
akuznetsova_Now I just mete the time16:31
rakhmerov?16:31
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dziminethe testing process shall be visible outside Mirantis.16:32
dziminethat's my point.16:32
rakhmerovyes, and this is right16:32
dziminenow that there's Alcatel, Ericson, and some other folks, saying "we are testing and we have plans but you won't see them" is not a good touch.16:32
rakhmerovso there are two ways: an etherpad or a wiki page16:32
akuznetsova_I mean that in current  phase I just measure the request time16:32
akuznetsova_Oh, I see. I will prepare some report16:33
dzimineetherpad is good enough (google docs is good enough too, format doesn't matter).16:33
rakhmerovakuznetsova_, that's fine, we're talking about plans16:33
dziminemainly it's the "what", what are we testing.16:33
rakhmerovyes16:33
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rakhmerovin other words, just make your work visible16:33
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dzimineand the less effort you put the better -> it will be a jump from 0 to something, anyways :)16:33
rakhmerovok, anything else?16:34
akuznetsova_Ok, I got it16:34
akuznetsova_Not from me16:35
rakhmerovok16:35
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rakhmerovso dzimine, as far as I understand we should wait for Thu to see what you (actually Winson) will be able to do with event listeners BP?16:35
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rakhmerovok, let's finish for today16:38
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rakhmerovunless you have some other topics16:38
rakhmerovthanks for coming16:38
rakhmerovbye16:38
NikolayMbye!16:38
rakhmerovhave a good week16:38
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rakhmerov#endmeeting16:38
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rakhmerovNikolay please send #endmeeting16:39
rakhmerovNikolayM16:39
rakhmerovpls16:39
rakhmerovbecause you started the meeting16:39
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NikolayM#endmeeting16:45
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rakhmerovthanks!16:45
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NikolayM#endmeeting16:51
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nikolaym#endmeeting16:55
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openstackMeeting ended Mon Dec  8 16:55:20 2014 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)16:55
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sarobhello all16:56
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sayalihello16:59
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sarob#startmeeting training-guides17:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Dec  8 17:00:10 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'training_guides'17:00
sarobagenda #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/training-guides17:00
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sarobroll call17:00
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matjazphey17:01
sayalihello17:01
MeganR1Hi17:01
sarobany pref on the order of items on the agenda?17:02
sarobany adds?17:02
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matjazpmaybe we start with status reports?17:02
dguitarbitehello17:03
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sarobsure17:03
sarobevening dguitarbite17:03
sarobjust asking about the agenda17:03
dguitarbitemorning sarob17:03
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sarob#topic status reports17:03
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matjazpon branching17:03
sarobahh17:04
dguitarbiteyes, I need to finish the branching and its part of the release17:04
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dguitarbiteI got caughtup in some urgent work outside technical domain17:04
dguitarbiteand could not do much here, I just need to push a patch17:04
dguitarbiteand then ping the infra guys for the release and branching17:04
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sarobbasically this #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Branch_Model right?17:05
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matjazpso old XML text will become what? stable/icehouse?17:06
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dguitarbiteyes, but it may not be the exact same model17:06
dguitarbitematjazp: yes the old content will be stable/icehouse17:06
dguitarbitethen we start working on Juno17:06
dguitarbitewhich should be the new slides17:06
sarobbranch/icehouse this week?17:07
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dguitarbiteyes17:08
matjazpwhen new branch is made, we need to update wiki page... there's old stuff on it17:08
sarob#action dguitarbite will work with infra team on committing stable/icehouse branch17:08
sarobmatjazp: very true, from summit etherpad plans17:08
sarobmatjazp: you want me to do that or you want to take it on?17:09
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matjazpwe all update our sections?17:09
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sarobmatjazp: sounds right17:10
matjazpand I'll update common text17:10
sarobmatjazp cool thx17:10
matjazp#action subproject leads update their wiki sections, matjazp updates common text17:10
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sarob#action matajzp post stable/icehouse branch, update common wiki text, team will update their sections17:11
sarobmoving on?17:11
dguitarbiteyers17:11
dguitarbite*yes17:11
matjazpsure17:12
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dguitarbiteunless anyone has any other point to add17:12
sayalinope not me17:12
sarob#topic trainers group17:12
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sarobsoo, i finally have this started up17:12
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sarobsee #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/trainers17:13
sarobthe first big question is how to drive requirements17:13
sarobthe trainers will do their thing from the materials this team creates17:14
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sarobthe trainees and trainers need to provide us ideas and feedback17:14
sarobwe have used bug reports in the past with mixed results17:15
sarobi think we still use bug reports17:15
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matjazpfeedback on slides should be just file bugs on stuff in repo17:15
sarobbut need to add new ways17:15
dguitarbitedo we need to attend the trainers meeting?17:16
sarobi dont think so17:16
sarobyou might lurk if you want to17:16
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sarobof course you can attend if you want to17:16
sarobi just dont want to overload you guys17:16
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sarobthe trainers meet is meant to discuss the sessions, whats working and how to improve17:17
dguitarbitesounds good to me17:17
sarobmaterials will only be a part of that17:17
dguitarbitethe time is kind of awkard for this time zone17:17
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sarob6pm?17:18
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dguitarbite7 PM17:18
sarobah17:18
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dguitarbiteand 8 pm during the summers17:18
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sarobi forget you are GMT+217:18
sarobgot GMT stuck in my head17:18
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dguitarbiteok17:19
sarobso you guys want me to gather the feedback manually for now17:20
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sarobfrom the trainees and trainers and drop on docs ML?17:20
dguitarbitewell teem meetings will be recorded17:20
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sarobtrue17:20
sarobduh17:20
dguitarbitethe meeting results could be good17:20
sarobof course you are correct17:21
dguitarbitethe action items etc. may be good summary so we do not need to do anything manually17:21
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matjazpsarob: you have any feedback on labs? from last week?17:22
sarob#action sarob training-guides team will review trainers action items as part of weekly meeting agenda17:22
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sarobmatjazp: not anything useful yet as we don't have the slides and structure down yet17:22
sarobmatjazp adding the labs into the mix would be super difficult as a starting point17:23
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sarobmatjazp im shooting for jan as we should have slides and some structure ready by then17:23
dguitarbitesarob: labs are ready for Icehouse17:24
dguitarbiteand debugged and tested really well17:24
sarobdguitarbite agreed17:24
matjazpI used labs on my course... but I used Ubuntu as a host (they will test windows at home)17:25
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sarobdguitarbite: we need to get the trainer stuff all org17:25
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sarobmatjazp: we only have a small window and volunteers so i need to keep this very easy17:25
sarobbaby steps17:26
matjazpit went ok... two guys had problems on their mac (smth. with locale settings caused keystone to not install), but as soon they used US, eveything went ok17:26
saroblabs are the most ready17:26
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sarobbut i cant through the trainees into the labs without some foundation17:26
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sarobBTW the 35+ trainees are very interactive and engaged bunch17:27
dguitarbitematjazp: good to know :)17:27
sayalimatjazp: we could record the issues they face and work on it..17:27
sarobwe have had two sessions17:27
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dguitarbiteit is true that we cannot generate the feedback on our selves17:27
sarobmost have been to both sessions17:28
dguitarbite*one our machines17:28
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sarobideas on how to get feedback on the trainees?17:28
sarobim going to ask the trainers as well17:28
sayalilog bugs for the errors they run into?17:28
sarobhow to get the feedback17:28
matjazpsayali: yes, I forgot to tell them to explicitly record all errors... but it was based on using Slovene local settings on Mac17:28
sarobsayali sure for materials that works17:29
sarobbout the rest17:29
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sayalisarob: materials that work?17:29
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sarobsayali not sure i understand the question17:30
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sayalisarob: I meant log bugs for errors while running the scripts17:30
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sarobor video :)17:31
sayalibugs for video?17:31
matjazpbut I agree with sarob, trainees should have a super easy method for giving feedback  - I'm not convinced filing bugs are easy enough?17:31
sarobthe feedback has to be interactive17:31
sarobwe get bugs17:31
sayaliI guess they can write feedback on the videos..17:31
saroblaunchpad is way over most people's heads17:32
dguitarbitewe could keep an hangout17:32
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dguitarbiteevery month or two17:32
ShillaSaebihello17:32
sarobshillsaebi hi17:32
sarobwe are discussing how to get feedback from trainees17:32
matjazpif they can't write down their thoughts after an event, they sure aren't gonna do it later...17:32
sarobwe could have a scheduled feedback time17:32
MeganR1Is there a way to solicit feedback through a survey17:32
sarobmatjazp: yeah the feedback should be timely17:33
dguitarbitehello ShillaSaebi MeganR117:33
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matjazpsarob: maybe trainer can act as a collector and write few lines after each session?17:33
sayalihello ShillaSaebi17:33
matjazphey ShillaSaebi17:33
sarobmeganr1 maybe surveymonkey per event is the way to go17:33
MeganR1that way you could direct the questions, especially if you are seeing continued issues/questions17:33
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ShillaSaebiyeah survey monkey per event sounds good17:33
MeganR1sarob - I have had good success with Survey Monkey17:33
sarobmatjazp plus the trainer17:34
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MeganR1maybe even write in 10 min at the end of the training to complete the survey17:34
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sarob#action sarob will take first pass at surveymonkey template for trainer sessions, share with trainers and training-guides teams17:35
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sarobother ideas?17:35
sarobokey dokey17:36
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sarobim stuck with a git push error17:37
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saroblets do this in order17:37
sarobi hold on to that for a minute17:37
sarobany more on trainers team?17:38
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sarob#topic criteria and candidates for core reviewership17:38
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sarobi think rluethi posted this to the agenda17:39
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sarobrluethi have you joined?17:39
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sarobi ask him over ML17:40
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sarob#topic Kilo blueprints signup17:40
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dguitarbiterluethi is not going to make this meeting17:40
dguitarbitehe is out of town till 20th December17:40
sarobdguitarbite: ah right17:41
dguitarbitehe asked me to start with this discussion17:41
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sarob#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/training-guides-kilo-summit17:41
sarobat the bottom are the bp/topic i believe summarize what we have planned/discussed for kilo17:42
sarobi created bp from them17:42
sarobbefore i jump into push specs,17:42
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sarobfinally etherpad is working again17:43
sarobwhatca all think?17:43
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sayalisarob: everyone need to add their name to it17:45
sarobthats the general idea17:45
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saroband the date you think you can contribute to completing the bp17:46
sarobi used the milestone17:46
sarobyou can use just a date if you prefer17:47
ShillaSaebiok17:47
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matjazpsome items depend on other ppl (e.g. infra team for Moodle instance, integration with Launchpad IDs)17:47
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sarobtrue, those dependencies go into the spec17:48
sarobonce you sign up for a bp17:48
sarobpushing the spec to openstack/docs-specs/kilo is the next step17:48
sarobso the team can review and comment on the bp details in the spec17:49
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sarobdguitarbite: you are already working on 317:50
sarobdguitarbite: can i get you to commit to M1 for automate the slide build17:51
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matjazpsarob: creating new slide material is covered in convert-the-xml-into-rst?17:51
dguitarbitesarob: I think stefanos team should be able to do this17:51
dguitarbiteI did that before and the time and effort was wasted17:51
dguitarbiteI do not want to do it till its very clear17:51
sarobdguitarbite: agreed17:52
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matjazpI believe things will change regarding slide's infra and tools... as we get feedback17:52
sarobdguitarbite: reed needs to figure out the requirements, then you can restart17:52
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sarobmatjazp: some sure, but the content needs to get out there for the trainees17:53
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sarobdguitarbite: if I broker a resolution in what tools dhellman and reed want us to use, can you take this on?17:54
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sarobdguitarbite: since you already did most of the work17:54
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dguitarbitesarob: I am supposed to do that as infra sub team lead17:55
sarobsayali: what do you think of bp #14?17:55
dguitarbiteI am waiting for feedback from reed17:55
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dguitarbiteI will do the required things once I get feedback from reed17:56
sayalisarob: just updated that part with my name17:56
sarobdguitarbite: nope, not at all. i just thought you are in the best postion since you have already done work on it17:56
dguitarbitesarob: yes17:56
sarobsayali: cool17:57
sarobideas on dates for bp?17:57
sayaliI think ShillaSaebi would also like to add her name there17:57
sarobwe have a couple of minutes left17:57
sarobshillsaebi: all are welcome :)17:57
sarobany other last minute issues?17:58
matjazpsince BP #3 is important, we should comment on the spec for it as soon as possible17:58
sarobokay17:59
sarobI will push the spec with reed and dhellman feedback17:59
sarobdguitarbite can weigh in on if its doable17:59
sarobi think that is it17:59
sarobi have a git push issue18:00
dguitarbiteit is doable18:00
sarobtalk on docs channel if you have a minute18:00
dguitarbitebut I cannot assume feedback18:00
dguitarbiteyes18:00
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sarob#endmeeting18:00
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dguitarbitesee ya guys, bye18:00
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sarobbye18:00
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krtaylor#startmeeting third-party18:01
openstackMeeting started Mon Dec  8 18:01:18 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is krtaylor. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.18:01
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mmedvedeo/18:01
swestono/18:01
krtaylorany third-party CI operators around?18:01
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asselino/18:02
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krtaylorwell, I hope my connection holds out, seems network is more flaky than normal18:03
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swestonwe'll wait for you ;-)18:03
krtaylorhehheh, hopefully we have more lurking18:03
krtaylor#topic Welcome & Reminder of OpenStack Mission18:04
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krtaylor#info The OpenStack Open Source Cloud Mission: to produce the ubiquitous Open Source Cloud Computing platform that will meet the needs of public and private clouds regardless of size, by being simple to implement and massively scalable.18:04
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krtaylorwe have a pretty full agenda today18:04
krtaylor#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ThirdParty#12.2F8.2F1418:04
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krtaylor#topic Review of previous week's open action items18:05
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krtaylorso we had 2 from last week, both mine18:05
krtaylorI completed the wiki and kickoff email for the 3rd party doc refresh18:05
krtaylorhope all saw that email18:05
krtaylorwe'll get to that in a bit18:05
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krtaylorsecond was to ping PTLs for deadlines, and I have some updates there as well18:06
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krtaylor#topic Announcements18:06
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krtaylorany announcements?18:07
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krtaylorI'll take silence as no18:07
krtaylor#topic OpenStack Program items18:07
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krtaylorso, the third-party CI documentation is underway18:08
krtaylor#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/third-party-ci-documentation18:08
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krtaylorif you want to help, comment on the email thread, read the current docs, think through changes18:09
krtaylorand sign up on the etherpad18:09
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krtaylorwe'll see the response, if we get several people wanting to help, we may try the virtual sprint that infra manual did18:09
krtaylorthat was to use the sprint irc channel for 2-3 days of working as a team to bang out all the updates18:10
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krtaylorbut if not, we'll just use the etherpad to coordinate the patches and figure out what is being worked on18:11
krtaylorany questions on that?18:11
krtaylorelse, onward, to third-party CI monitoring and the associated spec18:12
krtaylor#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/13517018:12
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krtaylorI see some comments, sweston were you going to rev that spec?18:12
krtayloror did you need more input?18:12
swestonI am still responding to the latest comments, but there is only one noteworthy comment so far.  I need more input.18:12
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krtaylorok, I was thinking of proposing a command line tool, that could be a subset of the vision to get started18:13
swestonjhasketh would like some functionality included for the rest api, and that is fine.18:13
swestonkrtaylor: yes, that would be helpful.  the command line tool would be used to access the rest api18:14
krtaylordid anyone else have any questions or comments on the spec for sweston ?18:14
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krtaylorsweston, the process used to test a system in question could use more detail, as well as how the data will be represented, early feedback from other projects was for a radar-like ui18:15
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swestonkrtaylor: ok, noted18:15
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swestonkrtaylor: thank you18:16
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krtaylorso, if nobody has any questions or comments, please review the spec18:16
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krtaylorand finally for this section, I hope everyone has heard about the third-party self serve system accounts18:17
krtaylorgo read all about it at:18:18
krtaylor#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/13724018:18
swestonwoot!!18:18
asselinyes, very nice18:18
krtayloryes, fantastic work by infra team18:18
krtaylor+100018:18
krtaylorI have not heard of anyone using it yet, any feedback?18:19
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krtaylorok, onward then18:19
krtaylor#topic Deadlines & Deprecations18:19
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krtaylorneutron mid-cycle is underway, we may get feedback for this topic following that18:20
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krtaylorcinder said "Current plan is that we are warning people with existing drivers that they need CI working K-2.  New drivers need it by the end of Kilo."18:20
krtayloras per jungleboyj18:21
krtaylorI have not head of any changes or new deadlines coming for nova driver testing18:21
krtaylorexcept that they are looking for better reporting on the health of CI systems (what our monitoring dashboard addresses)18:22
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asselin#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Cinder/tested-3rdParty-drivers18:22
asselin^^ cinder 3rd party ref18:22
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krtaylorasselin, thanks!18:23
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krtaylorasselin, are you the cinder liaison?18:23
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asselinkrtaylor, not officially, but I work on cinder-ci18:24
krtaylorasselin, I would be it will be official soon  :)18:24
asselinlol18:24
krtaylors/be/bet18:24
krtaylorany questions or comments on deadlines?18:24
krtaylor#topic Highlighting a Program or Third-Party CI Service18:25
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krtaylorjust another quick mention on the split out of the puppet modules, see links in agenda18:25
krtaylorthat will be ongoing for a while I imagine18:26
swestonthe split script has been running successfully for a week now, so yay for that18:26
asselinsweston, how's your script doing with that?18:26
asselinok, great. I was going to start another one and ref your repo18:26
swestonit has also been proposed to the repository, one sec, i'll have the link18:27
swestonhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/137991/18:27
swestonasselin: waiting for your respected review ;-)18:27
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sweston(and anybody else who would like to test it)18:28
asselinsweston, can you change the topic to module-split18:28
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asselinsweston, will be easier to find :)18:28
swestonasselin: yeah, I must have reset it to master when doing the check-in18:29
swestonwill do18:29
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asselinthanks18:29
krtaylorexcellent, so that brings us to your items asselin18:29
krtaylorIn-tree Third Party CI Solution18:29
asselin#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:thirdpartyci,n,z18:29
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asselinI wrote a spec to get an in-tree ci solution based on what infra is using (jenkins/zuul/nodepool)18:30
asselinI also took a baby-step to get the log server directly reusable by 3rd party ci operators18:30
krtaylorlooks good18:31
krtayloryes, lots of comments there  :)18:31
asselinLots of good comments, and I'd like to get some more18:31
swestonasselin: this is interesting, thanks, will definitely review18:31
asselinand see if anyone has ideas/solutions to address the comments18:31
swestonwe've needed this for a long time :-)18:31
krtayloragreed18:31
swestonasselin: +100018:32
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asselinmy 'internal' stretch goal is to get something working/proposed by K1.18:32
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asselin(before k2 starts)18:33
swestonasselin: i'll work with you on this, would you add me as a primary assignee?18:33
asselinor before christmas :)18:33
asselinsure can, thanks!18:33
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swestonawesome, and thanks for the spec!18:33
krtaylorgreat work18:33
asselinif anyone else is interested, just ping me, or add a comment to the spec asking to be added :)18:34
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* krtaylor wishes he had more time to work on this18:34
asselinkrtaylor, reviews/ideas would be great18:35
krtaylorasselin, will do18:35
asselinthanks18:35
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krtaylorand I'll see if I can encourage others to review as well18:35
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krtaylorany other questions or comments from anyone for this topic?18:36
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krtayloronward then18:36
krtaylor#topic CI System issues18:37
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krtayloranyone have anything here?18:37
krtaylorI did see some great comments left for other systems that were wishing to have their account re-enabled18:37
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krtaylorexactly the value that this team can bring to the community, reviewing other systems and recommending their enabling or voting, ect18:38
krtaylorany systems needing review?18:38
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krtaylor#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ThirdPartySystems18:39
krtaylorthe systems page shows several that are still down18:39
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krtaylor4 I believe18:39
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krtaylorI don't know how current this page is, it may need refreshing, I'll email those systems18:40
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krtaylornext then18:41
krtaylor#topic Open Discussion18:41
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krtaylorI had one item, meeting time/date18:41
krtaylorthere is an email thread, currently with 2 proposals18:42
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krtaylor1) for 2 meetings a week 2) for one meeting a week at alternating times18:42
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krtaylorplease read that thread and comment18:42
krtaylorI'd like to get that wrapped up this week18:42
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krtaylorso far, the alternating meeting proposal has the most votes, if that continues, I'll propose times to vote on shortly18:43
krtaylorany comments?18:43
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asselin+1 for alternate meeting times18:44
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swestonditto18:44
mmedvedesame18:44
krtaylorthanks asselin, sweston, mmedvede18:44
krtaylorok, then I'll open the floor18:44
krtaylorany topics to discuss, questions to answer?18:45
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krtaylorok, well since the discussion has wound down quickly, I'll close it out18:48
krtaylorthanks everyone, great meeting!18:48
asselinthanks krtaylor18:48
swestonthanks everyone!18:49
krtaylor#endmeeting18:49
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sdake#startmeeting kolla20:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Dec  8 20:00:58 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is sdake. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.20:01
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sdake#topic rollcall20:01
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sdakehowdy folks \o/20:01
rhalliseyhi20:01
* jpeeler is here20:01
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sdakedaneyon you around?20:01
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sdake#topic agenda review20:02
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sdake#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Kolla20:02
sdakeanyone like to add anyting?20:02
sdakeif folks would like to add stuff, feel free to do so before the meeting and we can discuss at our next irc meeting20:03
sdake#topic Milestone #2 ready check20:03
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sdake#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/milestone-220:04
sdakeso things looking pretty solid20:04
rhalliseyhow's sahara going?20:05
sdakeI've got a container for sahara but its not working20:05
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rhalliseyI still need to fully test horizon20:05
sdakeour release is tomorrow20:05
rhalliseyya I know20:05
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sdakecan you test it and get back to me before 1600 UTC tuesday?20:06
rhalliseyya I need to get into that machine20:06
sdakethat may not happen before tomorrow20:06
sdakeanyone else able to test horizon?20:06
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sdakejpeeler rhallisey?20:07
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sdakerather jpeeler ;)20:07
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jpeelerbefore tomorrow? probably not...20:08
rhalliseyis lars around?20:08
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sdakeya but he is unavailable20:08
sdakerhallisey how about the following - i'll open access to my machine, and you can use that20:08
sdakejust short term to test horizon20:08
rhalliseyok20:08
sdakecool problem solved then20:08
sdakeas far as sahara, I guess if I can't get it working, we can push it to the next milestone20:09
sdakeso sounds like we have a release ready20:09
rhalliseydo you want to just push it and help me with horizon20:09
rhalliseyunless you think you can get it working20:09
sdakei may be able to get it functional20:09
sdakehttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/133965/20:10
sdakethis patch needs a rebase20:10
sdakedaneyon may have missed this meeting because I think we said we were going to cancle it ;-)20:10
sdakeI'll rebase that patch, would appreciate reviews on it once that is done20:10
rhalliseysure20:10
sdakeso looks like we are good for as release20:10
sdakeI'll push the tag around 1600 UTC tomrrow20:11
sdake#topic open discussion20:11
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sdakemeetings are cancelled until January 5th20:11
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sdakejust so folks know - bit of r&r over the holidays ;-)20:11
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sdakealso I added kolla to stacklaytics, so your work can be represented upstream20:12
sdakehttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/139839/20:12
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rhalliseyhow's magnum going?20:12
sdakethe rest api is working20:12
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sdakehave the backend almost working if I hack oslo.messaging20:12
rhalliseycool20:13
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sdakenext step is to launch atomic in bays using ironic20:13
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sdakei've been doing alot of playing with ironic to make that happen20:13
sdakethe ironic dev docs are good and I can launch a cirros image with ironic20:13
sdakebut not an atomic image20:13
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sdakebay create takes a node count and base image20:14
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sdakeit modifies the image for a master k8s node and minon k8s nodes and launches them using ironic20:14
sdakeso magnum bay-create --name=yay --type=baremetal --image=atomic --node_count=520:15
sdakeshould launch a 5 node kubernetes cluster with 4 minions20:15
sdakethat project is scheduled to release milestone #1 Dec 19th20:15
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sdakeI think milestone #1 in that case will be a working backend + rest api + bay create with atomic20:16
sdakebut that is just my view, there are other contributors20:16
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sdakeif that works, I'll record a screen cast of openstack on openstack using containers20:16
rhalliseynice20:16
sdakeglad someone thinks so ;-)20:17
sdakeany other open topics?20:17
jristoops20:17
* jrist late to party :(20:17
sdakeits all good jrist, I think we are just wrapping up20:17
rhalliseyit's a super cool project20:17
sdakewhich one20:17
rhalliseymagnum20:18
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sdakeinteresting and meaningful work for sure20:19
sdakeany other open topics?20:19
sdakeok then thanks folks for participating ;-)20:20
sdake#endmeeting20:20
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jristthanks sdague20:21
jristsdake20:21
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sdakejrist I get that all the time ;)20:22
jristha20:22
jrist;(20:22
jristI just am not thinking quick enough today, obviously sdake20:22
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pc_mFYI: Neutron Meeting is cancelled this week, due to mid-cycle sprint.21:03
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ajohmmm thanks pc_m :)21:11
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