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| crinkle | o/ | 14:00 |
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| sbadia | hi! | 14:00 |
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| sbadia | #startmeeting Puppet-Openstack | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 17 14:01:29 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sbadia. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'puppet_openstack' | 14:01 |
| sbadia | #chairs sbadia crinkle | 14:01 |
| nibalizer | o/ | 14:01 |
| sbadia | nibalizer: \o | 14:01 |
| sbadia | #topic Juno branching | 14:02 |
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| sbadia | To summarize, we had some discutions the last week about juno branching in our modules | 14:02 |
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| sbadia | (a thread on puppet-openstack ML) | 14:02 |
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| sbadia | we still miss some packages in debian and redhat for testing juno (before branching) | 14:03 |
| sbadia | and some udpate of configuration files are still in progress (reviews) | 14:03 |
| sbadia | (sorry missed the agenda…) | 14:03 |
| sbadia | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/PuppetOpenStack | 14:03 |
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| crinkle | I remember EmilienM saying that we want to have integration tests ready before the juno release | 14:04 |
| sbadia | yep, +1 | 14:04 |
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| nibalizer | so how long between the branch and the release? | 14:05 |
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| nibalizer | because integration tests (or at least my version of it) is still not ready | 14:05 |
| sbadia | it was just to talk about it, but so we have some sticking points before | 14:05 |
| sbadia | (packaging) | 14:05 |
| crinkle | i thought the branch and the release would happen at the same time? | 14:05 |
| nibalizer | okay | 14:06 |
| crinkle | but not sure | 14:06 |
| nibalizer | crinkle: thats what i thought too | 14:06 |
| sbadia | there is no time constraints | 14:06 |
| sbadia | > 6months :-D | 14:06 |
| sbadia | < | 14:06 |
| crinkle | i think there are packages for rhel 7 and ubuntu, not sure about rhel 6 | 14:06 |
| sbadia | gchamoul: an idea about rhel6 ? | 14:07 |
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| sbadia | anyway here is the pending review for juno conf files | 14:08 |
| sbadia | #link https://review.openstack.org/131566 | 14:08 |
| sbadia | #link https://review.openstack.org/131576 | 14:08 |
| sbadia | #link https://review.openstack.org/131572 | 14:08 |
| gchamoul | I don't we will support Juno on RHEL6 | 14:08 |
| gchamoul | know ! | 14:08 |
| crinkle | oh okay | 14:08 |
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| gchamoul | we are discussing about that internally | 14:08 |
| gchamoul | but don't have any clue | 14:09 |
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| sbadia | gchamoul: okay | 14:09 |
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| sbadia | #action take a look about params updates in juno (if everything was covered by previous review) | 14:11 |
| sbadia | ok, next point? | 14:11 |
| crinkle | sure | 14:11 |
| sbadia | #topic Service validation | 14:12 |
| nibalizer | i think EmilienM may be in a plane | 14:12 |
| gchamoul | nibalizer: right he is ! | 14:12 |
| sbadia | EmilienM just submitted a new interseting patchset | 14:12 |
| sbadia | Yep indeed :-) | 14:12 |
| sbadia | #link https://review.openstack.org/126458 | 14:13 |
| sbadia | comment are welcome… | 14:14 |
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| sbadia | ok :) everyone sleep | 14:15 |
| crinkle | haha | 14:15 |
| crinkle | I think I like the hash approach | 14:15 |
| crinkle | would be interested in mgagne's thoughts | 14:15 |
| sbadia | yep me too! | 14:16 |
| sbadia | arg mgagne isn't here… | 14:16 |
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| sbadia | ok, we will discuss in the review then… | 14:16 |
| sbadia | can I add a topic about service_ensure patchs ? | 14:17 |
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| crinkle | sure | 14:17 |
| sbadia | #Topic manage_service (bug 1359823) | 14:18 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1359823 in puppet-swift "Possibility to disable service management" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1359823 | 14:18 |
| sbadia | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/115659/ | 14:18 |
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| crinkle | I had a comment on one of those... | 14:20 |
| sbadia | to summarize, we have some patch already merged about 1359823 | 14:20 |
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| sbadia | but indeed your comment, and spredzy comment are interesting | 14:20 |
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| crinkle | I'm in agreement with spredzy | 14:20 |
| spredzy | hey everyone, sorry no backlog on this room, sbadia could you paste a litle bit of context please :) | 14:20 |
| sbadia | spredzy: sure! | 14:21 |
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| spredzy | sbadia, thanks | 14:22 |
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| sbadia | patchs in ceilometer, glance, heat and neutron are already merged | 14:23 |
| spredzy | Hmm if mgagne is not here it will be hard to have its point of view on this one | 14:23 |
| crinkle | shoot, I should have commented on all of them instead of just one | 14:23 |
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| spredzy | If a new set of patchset needs to be done it doesn't seems like a problem to me, but as a user I expect $manage_service to do what it does on the whole puppet community | 14:24 |
| sbadia | mmagr isn't here too :( | 14:24 |
| crinkle | I feel really strongly that manage_service == false is absolutely not the same as ensure => stopped | 14:24 |
| spredzy | sbadia, on a place I think | 14:24 |
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| spredzy | $manage_service != $ensure_service | 14:24 |
| gchamoul | sbadia: he is on a plane too ! | 14:24 |
| nibalizer | crinkle: i agree with that position | 14:24 |
| sbadia | so :-/ ok | 14:25 |
| crinkle | I can propose patches to fix the ones that have already been merged | 14:25 |
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| crinkle | I don't quite understand mgagne's point about HA setup | 14:26 |
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| sbadia | me too :/ | 14:26 |
| crinkle | maybe we can discuss with him later in #puppet-openstack | 14:26 |
| sbadia | we can re-discuss with martin and mathieu on the ml before | 14:27 |
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| sbadia | yep! | 14:27 |
| sbadia | ok | 14:27 |
| crinkle | ok | 14:27 |
| sbadia | #action sbadia shoot a mail on the ML about manage_service issue | 14:27 |
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| sbadia | next topic then | 14:27 |
| sbadia | #Topic Integration testing | 14:28 |
| sbadia | nibalizer: need some help? | 14:28 |
| nibalizer | hi | 14:28 |
| * crinkle can review that patch | 14:28 | |
| nibalizer | so the problem is that beaker doesn't work | 14:28 |
| nibalizer | yet | 14:28 |
| nibalizer | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/134371/ | 14:28 |
| nibalizer | is (i hope) the last patch to make beaker + nodepool play nice | 14:28 |
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| nibalizer | hopefully after that we can land https://review.openstack.org/102020 | 14:29 |
| nibalizer | then this as well but not as relevant here https://review.openstack.org/126086 | 14:29 |
| nibalizer | the other thing though is we'll need to add integration testing lines to each project in zuul | 14:29 |
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| nibalizer | which is kinda heavy in reviews for infra and will be slow | 14:29 |
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| sbadia | oh I didn't see the patches on infra! | 14:30 |
| spredzy | to avoid the mess I introduced with the policy.json patch, we (w/ mathieu) had the idea of trying to set up a all-in-one maniest on top of which we would run is_expected.to compile, to make sure we don;t ahve duplicaate ressource error. Its basic its a begining but would allow us to detec those issue earlier | 14:30 |
| sbadia | ok! thx spencer! | 14:30 |
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| sbadia | spredzy: in each module? | 14:31 |
| nibalizer | sbadia: so yea its in progress and im consistently poking it | 14:31 |
| sbadia | it costs nothing :) | 14:31 |
| crinkle | nibalizer: thanks :) | 14:31 |
| sbadia | long road! | 14:32 |
| nibalizer | after we get int tests working at all we can discuss further/do work to make them global | 14:32 |
| sbadia | yes thanks nibalizer ! | 14:32 |
| nibalizer | np np | 14:32 |
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| spredzy | sbadia, there idea was to have that on infra or something (just rought idea so far), and the test will be run for each commit | 14:32 |
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| spredzy | still need to work out the specifics | 14:32 |
| crinkle | typically that stuff would go in spec/spec_helper_acceptance.rb in the module | 14:32 |
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| crinkle | but that could potentially call out to something in infra i guess | 14:33 |
| crinkle | or not spec_helper_acceptance but the tests themselves i think | 14:33 |
| nibalizer | so i think thats it for integration? | 14:34 |
| crinkle | sure | 14:34 |
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| crinkle | sbadia: next? | 14:36 |
| sbadia | ok :) | 14:36 |
| sbadia | crinkle: do you want to talk about aviator (recents patchset)? | 14:36 |
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| crinkle | sure | 14:36 |
| sbadia | #topic Aviator | 14:36 |
| crinkle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/134843/ | 14:37 |
| crinkle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/134844/ | 14:37 |
| crinkle | oops i guess the first one is failing lint | 14:37 |
| crinkle | i've started a mailing list discussion | 14:37 |
| sbadia | not a big deal for the lint :) | 14:37 |
| crinkle | it seems like the leaning is to go with openstackclient over aviator | 14:37 |
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| crinkle | i think nibalizer's point about it being better maintained is pretty key | 14:38 |
| crinkle | and the developers are really open to working with us to make it usable | 14:38 |
| crinkle | since they want people to start using it | 14:38 |
| dvorak | my only concern with using openstackclient instead of aviator, is we'll probably be giving up some amount of performance if we don't use the API directly. | 14:38 |
| dvorak | just a point to consider. I think there are some things can be be done to alleviate that if you're dealing with a single tool though. like token caching and such | 14:39 |
| crinkle | i hadn't thought of that | 14:40 |
| crinkle | i'm not sure how to measure or evaluate that | 14:40 |
| dvorak | you'll likely always have the fork/exec/parse overhead unless openstackclient can be run as a daemon | 14:40 |
| dvorak | well, I know for us, getting a token can take a measurable amount of time, and every cli invocation gets a new token | 14:41 |
| xingchao | I think performance loss can be ignored in this scene | 14:41 |
| dvorak | I don't think it's even a loss compared to the current implementation, it's just a loss compared to direct API access | 14:42 |
| crinkle | right | 14:42 |
| dvorak | and it'd be easier to work with the openstackclient team to implement featuers to alleviate it, than to work with all the other client teams | 14:42 |
| crinkle | ++ | 14:42 |
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| nibalizer | does openstackclinet have a real team? | 14:42 |
| nibalizer | or is it part time volunteers from all the projects? | 14:43 |
| crinkle | i think the team is dtroyer + stevemar | 14:43 |
| crinkle | who are keystone people i think | 14:43 |
| dvorak | no idea here, I'd never actually heard of it until crinkle pointed it out | 14:43 |
| sdague | I think crinkle is right, dtroyer + stevemar mostly | 14:43 |
| stevemar | o/ yep, a few other occasional folks too | 14:44 |
| nibalizer | ok | 14:44 |
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| crinkle | \o | 14:44 |
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| nibalizer | so you can read my ML post about this for my opinon but tl;dr i think openstackclient | 14:45 |
| crinkle | stevemar: could you comment on dvorak's performance concern? | 14:45 |
| nibalizer | but i also want to re-itrate what i said before about how maybe democracy isn't the best tool, and the people (or just crinkle ) who have been building the providers should make the call | 14:45 |
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| dvorak | just to clarify, I'm not saying not to use openstackclient, I think there is clearly a good argument for it. I just wanted to point out one downside that I hadn't seen mentioned yet. | 14:46 |
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| crinkle | sure | 14:47 |
| stevemar | dvorak, can you re-iterate your concerns surrounding performance, i just logged on | 14:47 |
| nibalizer | dvorak: that was clear to me, thanks for bringing it up | 14:47 |
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| stevemar | nibalizer, ++ it should be up to the folks building the providers | 14:48 |
| dvorak | stevemar: I was just pointing out that having puppet have integrated native API access is likely to be faster than interfacing with an external CLI tool. If it's internal, you don't have the overhead of fork/exec/parsing the script. You can also cache tokens across requests. | 14:48 |
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| dvorak | I imagine there are changes that could be made to openstackclient to alleviate most of those issues | 14:48 |
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| stevemar | caching should be possible, especially if you create a single interactive session (like neutrons CLI) | 14:49 |
| dvorak | or maybe OSC already does all of that. I'll admit ignorance here. | 14:49 |
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| dvorak | nod, if the puppet interface is written to use it in that mode, then I think that addresses almost all of my concerns | 14:50 |
| stevemar | dvorak, then you can feed it commands, dtroyer had something in the works for that i believe | 14:50 |
| dvorak | right now our puppet runs spend a lot of time making calls out to openstack CLI commands, so anything that makes that faster makes me happy :) | 14:51 |
| crinkle | #info possible performance considerations with openstackclient, should use its caching features | 14:52 |
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| nibalizer | anything else on this? I have some stuff for open discussion | 14:52 |
| nibalizer | which is to say me-- for not putting it on the agenda | 14:53 |
| sbadia | ok for me :) | 14:53 |
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| crinkle | i'll continue to monitor the mailing list discussion and write a new spec for using openstackclient | 14:53 |
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| nibalizer | ya the ML is the right place to have this discussion | 14:53 |
| sbadia | #topic open discussions | 14:53 |
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| nibalizer | i've proposed 2 changes to infra | 14:54 |
| nibalizer | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/134835/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/134834/ | 14:54 |
| nibalizer | they together add the ability for zuul/infra to publish to forge using puppet-blacksmith | 14:54 |
| nibalizer | this might be more valuable for -infra than this team | 14:55 |
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| nibalizer | since we really we only push to forge for major relases? | 14:56 |
| nibalizer | do we up the forge releases when we backport stuff? | 14:56 |
| crinkle | we push on minor releases | 14:56 |
| crinkle | how would we share forge credentials? | 14:56 |
| nibalizer | well in this system you'd have to give them to infra | 14:56 |
| nibalizer | and it actually is worse | 14:56 |
| nibalizer | puppet-blacksmith is too stupid to take a config file as a config option right now | 14:57 |
| nibalizer | so we need to patch it so it can so the trusted node can switch back and forth between the -infra credintals and puppet/stackforge creds | 14:57 |
| nibalizer | i was looking into that late last night and didn't do it | 14:57 |
| crinkle | :/ | 14:57 |
| nibalizer | but it looks reasonable | 14:57 |
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| nibalizer | are you :/ about blacksmith being stupid or giving your creds to infra? | 14:58 |
| crinkle | the switching back and forth sounds hacky | 14:58 |
| sbadia | yep ^^ | 14:58 |
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| clarkb | nibalizer you would not give infra your creds | 14:58 |
| nibalizer | well the trusted node would have a .puppetforge-infra.yaml and .puppeforge-stackforge.yaml | 14:58 |
| clarkb | (we dont want them) | 14:58 |
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| nibalizer | and the job would know | 14:59 |
| clarkb | ideally you would give our user enough perms to upload for you | 14:59 |
| nibalizer | yea i think those are equivalent? | 14:59 |
| crinkle | i think the next meeting is about to kick us out, maybe continue this in #opsntack-infra? | 14:59 |
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| nibalizer | if thats acceptable to clarkb | 14:59 |
| crinkle | spellfail | 14:59 |
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| nibalizer | i kno whe has not had burrito yet | 14:59 |
| crinkle | or #puppet-openstack | 15:00 |
| sbadia | crinkle: +1 | 15:00 |
| nibalizer | thanks everyone! | 15:00 |
| sbadia | thanks everyone | 15:00 |
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| mfisch | thx | 15:00 |
| crinkle | o/ | 15:00 |
| sbadia | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 17 15:00:29 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2014/puppet_openstack.2014-11-17-14.01.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2014/puppet_openstack.2014-11-17-14.01.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2014/puppet_openstack.2014-11-17-14.01.log.html | 15:00 |
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| rakhmerov | #startmeeting Mistral | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 17 16:00:07 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rakhmerov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| rakhmerov | hi | 16:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mistral' | 16:00 |
| nmakhotkin|2 | hi ! | 16:00 |
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| rakhmerov | let's wait for others | 16:01 |
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| akuznetsova_ | Hi | 16:01 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, +1 :) | 16:02 |
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| rakhmerov | I wonder if SS folks are going to join | 16:03 |
| rakhmerov | seems like we didn't see any AI from the previous time | 16:03 |
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| rakhmerov | so I'm going to skip our usual "Review Action Items" topic | 16:03 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Review Action Items | 16:03 |
| rakhmerov | #info No previous items. | 16:04 |
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| rakhmerov | btw, the agenda is here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MistralAgenda | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | as usually | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Paris Summit results | 16:05 |
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| tsufiev | hi there! | 16:07 |
| akuznetsova_ | Hi, Timur | 16:07 |
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| rakhmerov | hey Timur | 16:08 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, first of all we had a quick vBrownBag talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsGTww7fiLY | 16:08 |
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| rakhmerov | we also had a design session with the notes captured here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/paris-2014-design-summit-mistral | 16:09 |
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| rakhmerov | you can take a look at them | 16:09 |
| rakhmerov | once you have time | 16:09 |
| rakhmerov | so as for results: | 16:10 |
| rakhmerov | * We gathered a good feedback from StackStorm | 16:10 |
| rakhmerov | they started using it weeks ago | 16:11 |
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| rakhmerov | all this feedback is not sorted out yet, I'm planning to create BPs for each major item tomorrow | 16:12 |
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| rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov, create all needed BPs based on Paris Summit results | 16:12 |
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| rakhmerov | * We also got feedback from a number of people outside of StackStorm (just a few names: Angus, Zane, Roshan Agrawal and Adrian from Rackspace) | 16:13 |
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| rakhmerov | which mostly was very positive | 16:13 |
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| rakhmerov | * There were a number of conversations with folks from HP who want to use Congress, Murano and Mistral together | 16:14 |
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| rakhmerov | this week we have a meeting with them to discuss our next steps | 16:15 |
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| rakhmerov | * Also we discussed Timur's suggestion about Mistral workbook builder | 16:16 |
| tsufiev | rakhmerov, thank you for pulling me off during session :) | 16:17 |
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| rakhmerov | :)) | 16:17 |
| rakhmerov | that's fine | 16:17 |
| rakhmerov | np | 16:17 |
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| tsufiev | I've got to learn how to improvise )) | 16:17 |
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| rakhmerov | you're totally fine | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | over time you'll be more comfortable at things like that | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | so here are the most important areas that we'll need to focus on (IMO) in the next cycle: | 16:19 |
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| rakhmerov | 1. Race-conditions and critical bugs (especially that race condition in engine we discussed last time) | 16:20 |
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| rakhmerov | 2. Complete 0.2 (fully implemented tested for-each, resume and join) | 16:20 |
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| rakhmerov | 3. High-load testing & benchmarking using Rally (Anastasia started preparing for this) | 16:21 |
| rakhmerov | 4. UI | 16:21 |
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| rakhmerov | and one ongoing activity: promoting Mistral | 16:21 |
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| tsufiev | Speaking of Workbook Builder, I have an update as well | 16:21 |
| rakhmerov | ...basically we already started this but need to do much more | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | sure Timur, go ahead | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | I was going to ask you about all that effort because I left Paris without talking to you at the end of the summit | 16:23 |
| tsufiev | well, building UI for Heat is hot topic :) | 16:23 |
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| tsufiev | and is a task we definitely should take part in | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | so? | 16:25 |
| tsufiev | thus in order to complete most part of Merlin/Mistral work in Kilo (and do a decent work on mocking up/implementing Heat UI) I've decided that another member of Horizon team, Paul Karikh will join me in working on Merlin | 16:25 |
| rakhmerov | will we? :) | 16:25 |
| rakhmerov | ooh | 16:25 |
| tsufiev | yes, we will ) | 16:25 |
| rakhmerov | good | 16:25 |
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| rakhmerov | is he from Mirantis as well? | 16:25 |
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| tsufiev | yes, we hired him several months ago | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:26 |
| tsufiev | you may have seen while you were in Moscow, he's sitting in front of me :) | 16:26 |
| tsufiev | *seen him | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | so is he going to work on Merlin full time? | 16:26 |
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| rakhmerov | ooh, yes | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | I have seen him :) | 16:26 |
| tsufiev | I want him to help with implementing the new UI that Bogdan will design | 16:27 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:27 |
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| rakhmerov | so what do you say about Merlin in general? | 16:27 |
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| rakhmerov | did you see that people were interested in it? | 16:27 |
| tsufiev | yep | 16:28 |
| rakhmerov | ok, cool | 16:28 |
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| tsufiev | the good news is that some UX guys are willing to help/provide feedback | 16:28 |
| tsufiev | I've talked with Michael Hinnant (HP UX team, working on OpenStack) at Summit | 16:28 |
| rakhmerov | ooh, really! | 16:28 |
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| rakhmerov | that's great! | 16:28 |
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| rakhmerov | let's discuss that this week, I'd like to know more details about the whole thing | 16:29 |
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| tsufiev | rakhmerov, okay | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | so guys, let's move on and quickly write our statuses | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Current Status (by team members) | 16:30 |
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| akuznetsova_ | Me: implemented musty | 16:30 |
| akuznetsova_ | Oh, sorry | 16:30 |
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| nikolaym | Last week I fixed some small bugs and worked on blueprint workflow-resume | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | my status: Last week I was on vacation, the week before I was attending the summit and YAC conference at Yandex. Planning to create all needed BPs tomorrow and start fixing that race condition (it requires some redesign, but not too serious) | 16:31 |
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| rakhmerov | nikolaym, did you face any major issues with "resume"? | 16:32 |
| nikolaym | Not yet, but I think it needs to be tested much more | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:33 |
| akuznetsova_ | Implemented multi tenancy CLI integration tests, reduce number of ignored pep8 codes and fix appropriate pep8 issues in python-mistral client repo. started to look at Rally. | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:33 |
| nikolaym | I also fixed "pause" feature | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov, akuznetsova: meet and discuss integration test coverage | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | pause? | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | what was wrong with it? | 16:34 |
| nikolaym | Yes | 16:34 |
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| rakhmerov | did you send a patch? | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | for some reason I don't see anything related to 'pause' | 16:34 |
| nikolaym | Execution was in the pause state but tasks are continuing to execute | 16:35 |
| rakhmerov | ok, it may have been | 16:35 |
| nikolaym | I included it in resume patch | 16:35 |
| rakhmerov | we didn't really work through it carefully | 16:35 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:35 |
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| rakhmerov | guys, do you have any major issues you'd like to discuss? | 16:36 |
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| rakhmerov | I only have one topic to discuss: Release 0.2 progress | 16:36 |
| rakhmerov | so if you don't have anything else I would quickly go over what's left on it | 16:36 |
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| rakhmerov | #topic Release 0.2 | 16:37 |
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| rakhmerov | so the link to the milestone: https://launchpad.net/mistral/+milestone/0.2 | 16:38 |
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| rakhmerov | good news that Winson started working on event listeners | 16:38 |
| rakhmerov | we need to help him with details if needed | 16:38 |
| akuznetsova_ | We need to update bps' statuses | 16:39 |
| rakhmerov | I think they're mostly up to date | 16:39 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, so we have 4 BPs I would consider done or mostly done | 16:40 |
| rakhmerov | including | 16:40 |
| akuznetsova_ | I know that there are a few already implemented bps | 16:40 |
| rakhmerov | data collections (for-each) | 16:40 |
| rakhmerov | which ones? | 16:40 |
| akuznetsova_ | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-task-executor-affinity | 16:41 |
| rakhmerov | as for for-each and resume I would hold on for now and keep them in "In progress" state until we make sure they're fully tested | 16:41 |
| akuznetsova_ | I know that Nikolay worked on it | 16:41 |
| akuznetsova_ | And tested it | 16:41 |
| rakhmerov | yees, it says it's in "Beta available" which is fine IMO | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | yeah | 16:42 |
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| nikolaym | Recently I updated bps statuses | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | I consider "Beta available" as "Completed" with the only difference that it's not released yet | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | maybe I'm wrong though | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | so we have also 4 BPs that we didn't start working on yet | 16:43 |
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| rakhmerov | which are basically: "join", "pause-before" and HA & Scalability | 16:43 |
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| rakhmerov | well, in fact, I already started working on "join" but have to postpone it for a couple of days in order to make changes in the engine | 16:44 |
| akuznetsova_ | This one https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-manual-control-checkpoints looks like duplicate | 16:44 |
| akuznetsova_ | No? | 16:44 |
| rakhmerov | almost | 16:44 |
| rakhmerov | it's basically a more high-level BP that includes "pause-before" and "resume" | 16:45 |
| akuznetsova_ | Hmm, ok | 16:45 |
| rakhmerov | we created it just to keep the major user meaningful feature under control | 16:45 |
| rakhmerov | but yes, it's not something we have to work on separately | 16:46 |
| rakhmerov | in that sense you're right | 16:46 |
| rakhmerov | it's a duplicate | 16:46 |
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| rakhmerov | so overall I think our progress is ok | 16:47 |
| rakhmerov | just one comment | 16:47 |
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| rakhmerov | Engine HA & Scalability I think is not something that we need to do just once and forget about it | 16:47 |
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| rakhmerov | I think in 0.2 we'll need to do the most important testing and fix the most important bugs that we'll find (I'm sure we will) | 16:48 |
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| rakhmerov | and then continue this work | 16:48 |
| rakhmerov | that's basically why we need to use Rally | 16:48 |
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| rakhmerov | to automate it | 16:48 |
| rakhmerov | and keep creating more tests | 16:48 |
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| rakhmerov | also I'd like to capture a couple of more screencasts about new features | 16:49 |
| rakhmerov | it will take a day or two | 16:49 |
| rakhmerov | I think that's it from my side | 16:50 |
| rakhmerov | something from yours? | 16:50 |
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| nikolaym | Nothing from me | 16:50 |
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| rakhmerov | ok | 16:51 |
| rakhmerov | then | 16:51 |
| rakhmerov | thank you | 16:51 |
| rakhmerov | good bye to all | 16:51 |
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| akuznetsova_ | Bye ;) | 16:52 |
| rakhmerov | #endmeeting | 16:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 17 16:52:07 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2014/mistral.2014-11-17-16.00.html | 16:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2014/mistral.2014-11-17-16.00.txt | 16:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2014/mistral.2014-11-17-16.00.log.html | 16:52 |
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| sarob | #startmeeting training-guides | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 17 17:00:11 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| dbite | hello | 17:00 |
| rluethi | hy | 17:00 |
| matjazp | hi | 17:00 |
| sarob | evening | 17:00 |
| fthamura | ggreet ;) | 17:00 |
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| dbite | rluethi, if you are interested in this, the cluster does not work something with the Compute Node | 17:01 |
| dbite | VMs do not launch | 17:01 |
| rluethi | dbite: you are telling me this now? | 17:01 |
| dbite | I found this out like 2 hours ago | 17:01 |
| dbite | but you were not on IRC | 17:01 |
| rluethi | dbite: let's talk about that after the meeting. | 17:01 |
| dbite | yes, sure | 17:02 |
| rluethi | dbite: or is it on the agenda? :) | 17:02 |
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| matjazp | rluethi: now it is ;) | 17:02 |
| dbite | rluethi, I think I agree with matjazp :) | 17:02 |
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| dbite | we need a way to test changes to the cluster | 17:02 |
| sarob | id like to start with #topic specs and blueprints for kilo milestones | 17:02 |
| sarob | #topic specs and blueprints for kilo milestones | 17:03 |
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| sayali | hello | 17:03 |
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| matjazp | hi sayali | 17:03 |
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| sarob | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/docs-specs,n,z | 17:04 |
| dbite | sarob, who has the commit rights for this? | 17:04 |
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| dbite | I mean reviewer rights? | 17:05 |
| dbite | from training manuals team | 17:05 |
| dbite | *training guides | 17:05 |
| sarob | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/384,members | 17:05 |
| sarob | looks like just me | 17:05 |
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| dbite | kool | 17:06 |
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| Sam-I-Am | hello | 17:06 |
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| sarob | hey sam-i-am | 17:06 |
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| matjazp | hi Sam-I-Am | 17:06 |
| rluethi | hey | 17:06 |
| dbite | hello | 17:06 |
| sarob | so our design session ideas from #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/training-guides-kilo-summit | 17:06 |
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| sarob | need to be voted on in the review queue for #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/docs-specs,n,z | 17:07 |
| sarob | by the team | 17:07 |
| dbite | Sam-I-Am, will you be there on docs IRC channel after the meeting? | 17:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | dbite: should be | 17:07 |
| dbite | Sam-I-Am, Kool | 17:07 |
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| sarob | we need to turn our actions and other ideas from the design session into specs and bp | 17:08 |
| rluethi | sarob: I am afraid I lost the plot, what is it that you want to vote on, and how/when will that happen? | 17:08 |
| sarob | so i can assign them to kilo m1 and m2 | 17:09 |
| matjazp | sarob: so you want us to take stuff that we talked about at the summit and fill in proper specs and bps? | 17:09 |
| sarob | rluethi: for the training team to be all grown up like other projects, we need to follow the kilo release schedule more or less | 17:09 |
| sarob | matjazp: yup | 17:09 |
| matjazp | sarob: oh, ok. | 17:10 |
| sarob | we have a bunch of actions | 17:10 |
| sarob | if we just started with those, we | 17:10 |
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| sarob | will have a bunch of good work for this cycle | 17:10 |
| rluethi | sarob: so we'll write up a blueprint for maybe changing the name of a sub-group? for real? | 17:10 |
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| matjazp | sarob: but not all of them... some are internal... | 17:11 |
| matjazp | rluethi: exactly | 17:11 |
| sarob | rluethi: no not that, but bigger changes | 17:11 |
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| matjazp | sarob: like introduction af Moodle for online quizzes | 17:11 |
| rluethi | sarob: let's mark the big ones and what kind of spec/blueprint they need, then. | 17:11 |
| sarob | matjazp: exactily | 17:11 |
| sarob | rluethi: you got it | 17:11 |
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| sayali | we could have one blueprint per sub pproject to begin with | 17:12 |
| matjazp | let do it on the etherpad, below the exiting text | 17:12 |
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| sarob | our body of work for the kilo release should be described in launchpad | 17:12 |
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| dbite | I think we need one blueprint per sub-project at least to state the major purpose of the project | 17:12 |
| dbite | I agree with sayali | 17:12 |
| sarob | the tc is our technical governing body and they need to | 17:13 |
| sarob | know what we are planning, have completed, | 17:13 |
| sarob | and pushed on | 17:13 |
| sarob | dbite: at least one | 17:13 |
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| sarob | dbite: but yes | 17:13 |
| dbite | sarob, yeah, something that gives the general structure for sub-projects and what they do | 17:13 |
| sarob | we can have a spec that links to other specs too | 17:13 |
| dbite | I am not sure if the TC is interested in reading our Wiki pages that seriously | 17:14 |
| sarob | dbite: indeedly | 17:14 |
| sarob | dbite: um, prob not | 17:14 |
| sarob | dbite: but when we ask for incubation, some will for sure | 17:14 |
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| sarob | dbite: all will look to launchpad | 17:14 |
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| sarob | sooo, how to start | 17:15 |
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| sarob | i like dbite idea of each sub-team lead coming up with specs | 17:15 |
| dbite | well, to be fair it was sayalis idea | 17:16 |
| sarob | otherwise, you are just planning on the status-quo | 17:16 |
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| sayali | listing down all the things that need to be done and distinguishing the big ones as bp and the rest as bugs? | 17:16 |
| sarob | sayalis: right ;) | 17:16 |
| sarob | sayali: certainly, as bugs are generally | 17:16 |
| sarob | sayali: small fixes, but also assigned the milestones | 17:17 |
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| sayali | yep we could have it all organized | 17:17 |
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| sarob | we can kinda ignore m3 / feature freeze and assign some of our work to then | 17:17 |
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| sarob | as the docs program does that too | 17:18 |
| sarob | but we should avoid big changes late in the release | 17:18 |
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| sayali | i guess we need to decide on our team workflow as a whole :) | 17:18 |
| dbite | are we at the point of deciding the release cycle? | 17:18 |
| sarob | dbite: can you riff on a few spec ideas now? | 17:18 |
| dbite | I thought we need to wait till we decide on XML content | 17:18 |
| sarob | for docs team | 17:18 |
| dbite | sarob, that is why I am doing crazy 5k loc patches | 17:19 |
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| dbite | I need to show the working concept to annegentle before I can comment or proceed | 17:19 |
| dbite | as discussed and concluded in the summit meeting | 17:19 |
| sarob | dbite: right | 17:19 |
| sarob | dbite: thats a spec | 17:20 |
| dbite | only after the doc team agrees | 17:20 |
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| sarob | dbite: perhaps an easy win, but big work that you should get credit for | 17:20 |
| dbite | and also it may be a spec for both training uides and docs team | 17:20 |
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| sarob | dbite: i think it is | 17:20 |
| dbite | sarob, yes | 17:20 |
| dbite | there was one question that Roger came up with | 17:20 |
| dbite | rluethi, want to shoot? | 17:21 |
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| rluethi | dbite: not sure what you are referring to now. | 17:21 |
| sarob | dbite: not all the docs program team was there for our design session, so specs will communicate our plans | 17:21 |
| dbite | rluethi, about the content management | 17:21 |
| dbite | for slides | 17:21 |
| sarob | dbite: get the broader team buyin for our release cycle work | 17:21 |
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| rluethi | dbite: you mean how we get feedback? | 17:22 |
| dbite | ahh, no for creation and maintaining the slides content | 17:22 |
| dbite | if we replace it with XML content | 17:22 |
| dbite | I did not want to step on your question | 17:22 |
| dbite | *XML with slides | 17:22 |
| rluethi | dbite: just go ahead :) | 17:23 |
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| dbite | sarob, We need to have someone maintain and create Slides | 17:23 |
| sarob | dbite: like some xml if we use the right tools? | 17:23 |
| dbite | which will possibly replace most or all of the XML content | 17:23 |
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| dbite | I will be a bit pre-occupied with basic-install guides and infra part of the project | 17:23 |
| dbite | and I am not good at creating slides | 17:23 |
| sarob | dbite: since we plan on most of our content being rst | 17:23 |
| matjazp | slides can be just a deliverable like the guides | 17:24 |
| sarob | dbite: i think we decided that the slides are the main deliverable, right | 17:24 |
| sarob | ? | 17:24 |
| matjazp | why separate maintainer? | 17:25 |
| sarob | dbite: integration work with install guides remains | 17:25 |
| matjazp | we just use the same process we used for Upstream Uni | 17:25 |
| sarob | dbite: but rst to html slides are what majority of our customers will use | 17:25 |
| sarob | matjazp: thats my understanding | 17:26 |
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| matjazp | sarob: actually... most will use only html (or PDF ;) | 17:26 |
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| sarob | matjazp: or pdf, right on | 17:26 |
| Sam-I-Am | whatever you do, try to avoid just copying the install guide | 17:26 |
| dbite | Sam-I-Am, that is the plan | 17:27 |
| Sam-I-Am | tracking changes isnt easy | 17:27 |
| dbite | to point links to the manuals content | 17:27 |
| dbite | Sam-I-Am, I feel the pain | 17:27 |
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| Sam-I-Am | docbook inter-book references suck, so maybe regular http links work better... i dunno. | 17:27 |
| dbite | sarob, matjazp I am not sure if we just use upstream content | 17:27 |
| dbite | or work on it, modify it | 17:27 |
| dbite | or we need the same structure and convert books to slides | 17:28 |
| sarob | dbite: your spec on the install guide integration plans would help explain the plan | 17:28 |
| dbite | sarob, it will not do so | 17:28 |
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| dbite | it will only push the basic install guides to manuals | 17:28 |
| dbite | if it works that is | 17:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | if theres any way i can make the install guide more friendly to the training stuff, let me know. | 17:28 |
| dbite | Sam-I-Am, I think you will love the idea I am working on | 17:28 |
| sarob | sam-i-am: there def is. | 17:28 |
| dbite | lets discuss this after the meeting on docs IRC channel | 17:28 |
| sarob | Sam-I-Am: we devised a path forward at the summit | 17:28 |
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| sarob | dbite: please please write up your plan as a spec | 17:29 |
| Sam-I-Am | sure. i missed the summit. :/ | 17:29 |
| sarob | dbite: and work with sam-i-am on that | 17:29 |
| sarob | dbite: so the rest of the docs team can comment on | 17:30 |
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| dbite | sarob, matjazp are you sure we do not need someone to take responsibility for maintaining the Slides? And by slides I mean the slides which will be in place of Associate, Operator, Architect and Developer guides | 17:30 |
| matjazp | ok, creation of slides is a big change -> we should do a spec and BP on it | 17:30 |
| dbite | sarob, yes, I will I just need to follow our planning from the summit | 17:30 |
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| matjazp | dbite: what are you proposing? another subproject | 17:30 |
| dbite | before pushing anything else and also need to know wher eto push the specss :) | 17:30 |
| sarob | dbite: our team will maintain the rst just like we have the xml | 17:30 |
| dbite | matjazp, no, I will not be able to work on slides content | 17:31 |
| dbite | the same subproject, but I need someone to work on the content | 17:31 |
| matjazp | sarob: exactly.. some contributors will focus on slides, some on the guides | 17:31 |
| dbite | how to create and maintain the slides | 17:31 |
| rluethi | guys, it's not so much about whose project it's on, it's about who is going to do the work. | 17:31 |
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| sarob | dbite: understood, we need more people on the project | 17:31 |
| sarob | dbite: i agree | 17:31 |
| matjazp | dbite: oh.. now I understand what are you saying | 17:32 |
| rluethi | sarob: yes | 17:32 |
| sarob | dbite: i can find you those people | 17:32 |
| dbite | sarob, I would be a bad idea for me to create slides, speaking from experience | 17:32 |
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| dbite | sarob, thanks :) | 17:32 |
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| matjazp | dbite: no need for you to do it | 17:32 |
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| sarob | be aware my friends that i have spun up | 17:32 |
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| sarob | with reed and a few others | 17:32 |
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| sarob | the product management team within openstack | 17:32 |
| sarob | we had our first meet over the summit | 17:33 |
| dbite | Product Management? | 17:33 |
| sarob | this is really a great opportunity for all of us | 17:33 |
| sarob | to get our companies more involved with our projects | 17:33 |
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| sarob | the pm team is asking the PMs at large to commit resources to the projects they want to succeed | 17:34 |
| sarob | like this one | 17:34 |
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| sarob | we need more people to be successful | 17:34 |
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| sarob | the rest of the openstack projects need more trained openstack contributors and operators | 17:35 |
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| matjazp | sarob: so any concrete names yet? | 17:35 |
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| sarob | yes | 17:35 |
| sarob | but i dont see them popping up here yet | 17:36 |
| sarob | thats is a very common summit problem | 17:36 |
| sarob | interest but hard to follow through | 17:36 |
| sarob | i can start to do that now | 17:36 |
| Sam-I-Am | +1 on that heh | 17:36 |
| Sam-I-Am | especially with docs :/ | 17:37 |
| sarob | with specs, blueprints and the product management team | 17:37 |
| Sam-I-Am | i wish i could put more time into the training stuff | 17:37 |
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| sarob | sam-i-am: i aim to get commitments from our respective companies to our cause | 17:37 |
| sarob | sam-i-am: for each cycle | 17:38 |
| Sam-I-Am | i guess in a way i'm helping with the install guide | 17:38 |
| sarob | we will have a pm team midcycle like the operators midcycle to discuss release cycle progress | 17:38 |
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| Sam-I-Am | but i wish we could get more phil_h :) | 17:39 |
| sarob | and what the PMs are doing and/or could be doing to meet the project goals | 17:39 |
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| sarob | back to our agenda | 17:39 |
| sarob | if we list out the work we want/need to get done for the kilo cycle | 17:39 |
| sarob | i can shop for help | 17:40 |
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| sarob | if we get incubated, | 17:40 |
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| sayali | i think we can give that responsibility to each sub-team lead to begin with? | 17:40 |
| dbite | sarob, I think we first need a contributor who will be working with us for more than a release cycle | 17:40 |
| sarob | it will help us get more help too | 17:40 |
| dbite | for the slides content | 17:40 |
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| sarob | dbite: i agree | 17:41 |
| dbite | and then we can get more people volunteer in and not worry if they stick around for longer time | 17:41 |
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| sarob | so, specs my friends | 17:41 |
| sarob | are our friends | 17:41 |
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| sarob | it describes our plans | 17:42 |
| sarob | so we can claim success and | 17:42 |
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| sarob | get more people aligned with our cause | 17:42 |
| sarob | can each of the sub-team leads write out at least two specs by the end of the week? | 17:43 |
| sarob | they need to be pushed up so we can read and comment | 17:43 |
| rluethi | sarob: I don't think so. we have not yet decided on the things that are spec-worthy. | 17:43 |
| dbite | sarob, we need to burn down the list | 17:44 |
| dbite | which we did not finish at the last meeting | 17:44 |
| dbite | on the etherpad | 17:44 |
| sarob | dbite: you dont think the install guide integration is worthy of a spec? | 17:45 |
| dbite | sarob, I need a go forward from annegentle first | 17:45 |
| dbite | then I know where to push the basic install guide | 17:45 |
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| dbite | and it is clear where and how exactly to write the spec | 17:46 |
| sarob | dbite: how are you planning on doing the integration? | 17:46 |
| dbite | first is the POC, which is in the reivew system as of now | 17:46 |
| dbite | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/134538/ | 17:46 |
| dbite | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/134538/ | 17:46 |
| dbite | once this is in and builds basic install guides, I show it to Anne and get her consent | 17:46 |
| dbite | then I push the spec | 17:47 |
| dbite | and integration starts :) | 17:47 |
| sarob | dude, its backwards | 17:47 |
| sarob | first spec for big changes | 17:47 |
| sarob | then patch | 17:47 |
| dbite | sarob, this is before the spec | 17:47 |
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| dbite | or changes | 17:47 |
| dbite | if annegentle says no, then there is no integration | 17:47 |
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| dbite | then we continue with our old ways | 17:47 |
| sarob | spec/bp is for discussing big changes | 17:47 |
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| matjazp | rluethi: dbite: but anne can block that in the spec/bp, can't she? | 17:48 |
| sarob | dbite: you need to discuss the change with annegentle and the rest of the docs team | 17:48 |
| rluethi | matjazp: I suppose. spec in that case is just a proposal. | 17:48 |
| dbite | sarob, matjazp, I agree but this is what we agreed in the summit during the meeting with annegentle and ajaeger | 17:48 |
| sarob | dbite: the spec/bp is where you do that | 17:48 |
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| dbite | sarob, the point is that I need to prove if the integration idea is even valid for a proposal | 17:49 |
| dbite | need some feedback and then know for sure what the proposal it is! | 17:49 |
| dbite | feedback from the manuals team | 17:49 |
| sarob | dbite: ugh, i guess proceed if annegentle asked for it this way | 17:50 |
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| sarob | dbite: its going to be difficult for the rest of the docs team to understand what is happenning | 17:50 |
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| sarob | dbite: and why | 17:50 |
| dbite | sarob, we already have a spec for basic install guides | 17:51 |
| dbite | this change is not a push for integration | 17:51 |
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| rluethi | sarob: I thought the idea was to have a POC first and if it proves to be doable, then ask for feedback. | 17:51 |
| dbite | since annegentle did not understand how it will work, she asked me to do a basic mockup and get more feed back | 17:51 |
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| dbite | sarob, I am not against writing spec for it but the problem right now is if we need to spec | 17:52 |
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| sarob | dbite: yeah, i remember | 17:52 |
| dbite | and where to put it, manuals, or training guides etc. | 17:52 |
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| sarob | dbite: now | 17:52 |
| sarob | dbite: so will discuss the merits of the change in gerrit | 17:53 |
| dbite | yeah | 17:53 |
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| sarob | rluethi: can you write up getting the build scripts to work with public infra? | 17:54 |
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| sarob | matjazp: write up the moodle work as one or more specs | 17:55 |
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| matjazp | sarob:will do | 17:55 |
| rluethi | sarob: can you elaborate what you mean? | 17:55 |
| sarob | sayali: specs on AV scripts, etc | 17:55 |
| sarob | rluethi: we need to get trainees using a cluster to learn | 17:56 |
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| sarob | rluethi: either local laptop or remote public infra | 17:56 |
| sayali | sarob:cool, but without prior discussion with the team? | 17:56 |
| matjazp | rluethi: dbite: I will give scripts to my students | 17:56 |
| dbite | matjazp, in that case we will fix it asap | 17:56 |
| dbite | matjazp, its a minor issue | 17:56 |
| rluethi | sarob: you mean make the scripts work hosted on openstack? | 17:57 |
| sarob | sayali: we will discuss and debate over the specs themselves | 17:57 |
| dbite | not a major one, probably ubuntu updated something | 17:57 |
| dbite | sayali, discussion can happen over the review process | 17:57 |
| sayali | i think in that case i should make the video on how to use osbash soon too :) | 17:57 |
| dbite | sarob, we need to agree when to push the specs | 17:57 |
| matjazp | dbite: ok | 17:57 |
| sarob | rluethi: i dont think so, | 17:57 |
| dbite | I suggest getting +1 from all the core team | 17:57 |
| sayali | cool sarob dbite | 17:57 |
| * rluethi is dense and will need some further explanation | 17:57 | |
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| sarob | rluethi: i think we need to build the images for use in public clouds | 17:58 |
| * dbite is more stupid for sure | 17:58 | |
| sarob | rluethi: and figure out how the best way the trainers can prep for a class | 17:58 |
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| sarob | rluethi: by either prepping the students to build the cluster on their laptop prior to class | 17:59 |
| sarob | rluethi: or by getting the public infra ready | 17:59 |
| matjazp | times up | 17:59 |
| rluethi | sarob: okay, I can think about that. do we have a template for training-guide specs? | 17:59 |
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| sarob | rluethi: or both | 17:59 |
| rluethi | matjazp: yup | 17:59 |
| sarob | rluethi: id use the docs one | 17:59 |
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| rluethi | sarob: k | 17:59 |
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| sarob | #link https://github.com/openstack/docs-specs/blob/master/specs/template.rst | 18:00 |
| sarob | out of time | 18:00 |
| sarob | friends | 18:00 |
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| sarob | see you on the ML | 18:00 |
| sarob | #endmeeting | 18:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 17 18:01:00 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2014/training_guides.2014-11-17-17.00.html | 18:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2014/training_guides.2014-11-17-17.00.txt | 18:01 |
| rluethi | later guys | 18:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2014/training_guides.2014-11-17-17.00.log.html | 18:01 |
| ShillaSaebi | hi guys | 18:01 |
| ShillaSaebi | oops | 18:01 |
| sayali | bye bye | 18:01 |
| sarob | sorry about lateness | 18:01 |
| krtaylor | #startmeeting third-party | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 17 18:01:16 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is krtaylor. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 18:01 |
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| ShillaSaebi | i think i got confused with time | 18:01 |
| ShillaSaebi | ill have to catch up via the meeting minutes | 18:01 |
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| krtaylor | ShillaSaebi, I am sure you are not th only one :) | 18:01 |
| ShillaSaebi | yeah forgot it was UTC | 18:01 |
| krtaylor | anyone here for third-party CI? | 18:01 |
| ShillaSaebi | we had a time change | 18:01 |
| sarob | i just got back, so understand | 18:02 |
| * ctlaugh is here | 18:02 | |
| sweston | I am | 18:02 |
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| sarob | cheers | 18:02 |
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| nuritv | krtaylor:yes | 18:02 |
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| krtaylor | Hi everyone, welcome! | 18:02 |
| nuritv | Hi | 18:02 |
| luqas | hi | 18:02 |
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| krtaylor | #topic Welcome & Reminder of OpenStack Mission | 18:03 |
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| krtaylor | #info The OpenStack Open Source Cloud Mission: to produce the ubiquitous Open Source Cloud Computing platform that will meet the needs of public and private clouds regardless of size, by being simple to implement and massively scalable. | 18:03 |
| krtaylor | and here is today's agenda: | 18:03 |
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| krtaylor | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ThirdParty#11.2F17.2F14 | 18:03 |
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| krtaylor | #topic Review of previous week's open action items | 18:04 |
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| krtaylor | so, we had none, time change and summit are to blame I suspect | 18:04 |
| krtaylor | #topic Announcements | 18:04 |
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| krtaylor | none listed, anyone have a brief announcement? | 18:04 |
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| krtaylor | #topic OpenStack Program items | 18:05 |
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| krtaylor | I am still digesting all the content from summit, the session was great | 18:06 |
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| krtaylor | I have my takeaways, mainly CI documentation, CI monitoring dashboard, and improving interaction and communication | 18:07 |
| krtaylor | one of the actions from summit was to get an alternate meeting time | 18:08 |
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| krtaylor | I'll be sending out email with a few proposed times, although those voting are likely not attending now :) | 18:08 |
| krtaylor | any comments about the summit session? | 18:09 |
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| krtaylor | Ok, then next we have CI documentation improvements | 18:09 |
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| krtaylor | there were several people that volunteered at summit to help with CI documentation | 18:10 |
| krtaylor | and email sent out | 18:10 |
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| krtaylor | but I have not seen anything else | 18:10 |
| krtaylor | anyone have an update on that? | 18:11 |
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| nuritv | krtaylor: i am one of the volunteers, but i have no idea how to start | 18:11 |
| krtaylor | btw, the answer to the question I posted on the agenda is no | 18:11 |
| krtaylor | nuritv, fair enough, I'll help get that rolling | 18:12 |
| nuritv | krtaylor: thanks! | 18:12 |
| luqas | hi, I also volunteered but I have been very busy after the summit | 18:12 |
| krtaylor | we probably need to organize that a bit, maybe a wiki, then divide up into a set of patches | 18:12 |
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| krtaylor | luqas, yes, understood | 18:13 |
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| krtaylor | maybe an etherpad, not wiki | 18:13 |
| sweston | as far as the infra manual effort? what was the criteria for making the separation between ci docs and infra docs? | 18:13 |
| * krtaylor is still recovering from summit | 18:13 | |
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| krtaylor | sweston, not sure, but the infra team wanted us to go fix CI docs in third-party.rst first | 18:14 |
| sweston | krtaylor, i see | 18:14 |
| krtaylor | then it would be rolled into the shiny new infra doc | 18:14 |
| sweston | fair enough | 18:14 |
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| krtaylor | yeah, the reason was that we already had a place for it, so put it there | 18:14 |
| krtaylor | I was a little concerned with style-guide stuff, but it makes sense, we also have an immediate need | 18:15 |
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| sweston | yup, agreed it's a good idea to keep it separate until we have it polished | 18:16 |
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| krtaylor | nuritv, luqas and others wanting to contribute, I'll send out email today to get it started | 18:16 |
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| krtaylor | #action krtaylor to send out email with etherpad to start off CI doc improvements | 18:16 |
| luqas | krtaylor: ok | 18:17 |
| nuritv | krtaylor: thanks | 18:17 |
| krtaylor | ok, next is the CI monitoring dashboard | 18:17 |
| krtaylor | I sent out email pulling together the few efforts I knew of after summit | 18:17 |
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| krtaylor | sweston, you agreed to drive that correct? | 18:18 |
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| sweston | krtaylor, correct | 18:18 |
| sweston | krtaylor, what are our next steps? | 18:18 |
| krtaylor | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Third-Party-CI-Dashboard-InitialPlanning | 18:19 |
| krtaylor | sweston, the next step was to create a spec, so that we could all start the design process | 18:19 |
| sweston | I have the .rst created for the infra spec ... but it's mostly skeleton, should that be posted to gerrit? | 18:19 |
| krtaylor | yes, although I am not sure where cross-project specs should go | 18:20 |
| sweston | this is my first spec, so extensive reviews and modifications will probably have to be made | 18:20 |
| asselin | \o | 18:20 |
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| krtaylor | I guess we could always use openstack-infra/infra-specs | 18:21 |
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| sweston | krtaylor, ok, awesome, I'll post it after the meeting today | 18:22 |
| krtaylor | sweston, lets ask about this in -infra after this meeting | 18:22 |
| sweston | krtaylor, ok, fair enough | 18:22 |
| sweston | I also have a few more updates | 18:23 |
| krtaylor | #action sweston to post CI monitoring dashboard spec in proper project to be determined | 18:23 |
| krtaylor | sweston, anything you want to discuss here? | 18:23 |
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| krtaylor | we need a repo location too, are we going to reuse radar? | 18:24 |
| sweston | I have created the initial poc for the dashboard, and will be sending out a link in email for the github repository and the hosted server it is running on | 18:24 |
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| sweston | right now, it uses celery to schedule a task which runs every 5 minutes to get a list of ci servers from gerrit | 18:25 |
| krtaylor | sweston, ok sounds good, the earlier in the process the better | 18:25 |
| sweston | and i have the views and django framework up, I'll give all the goodies in the email I send out | 18:25 |
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| krtaylor | sweston, 5 mins should be fine, you are backing the data so we can have historical graphing? | 18:26 |
| krtaylor | or next steps :) | 18:27 |
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| sweston | I have created an events model which we will be storing the historical info in | 18:27 |
| sweston | krtaylor, but the data is only stored in one place now | 18:28 |
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| sweston | what do you suggest for backing? | 18:28 |
| krtaylor | sounds good, get the repo sent out asap so we can get other eyes on it | 18:28 |
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| sweston | ok, I will send it out today | 18:28 |
| krtaylor | sweston, no preference, we can discuss in the spec reviews for those with an opinion | 18:28 |
| krtaylor | sweston, excellent | 18:29 |
| sweston | krtaylor, :-) sounds good | 18:29 |
| krtaylor | ok, anything else? | 18:29 |
| sweston | nothing from me, thanks, please continue | 18:29 |
| krtaylor | let's move on then | 18:29 |
| krtaylor | #topic Deadlines & Deprecations | 18:30 |
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| krtaylor | none listed here, although I was interested if any came out of summit | 18:30 |
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| krtaylor | anyone? | 18:30 |
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| krtaylor | next then | 18:31 |
| krtaylor | #topic Highlighting a Program or Gerrit Account | 18:31 |
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| krtaylor | the only thing listed is the puppet module split out work | 18:32 |
| krtaylor | that continues | 18:32 |
| krtaylor | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:module-split,n,z | 18:32 |
| asselin | jenkins puppet module merger earlier today | 18:32 |
| asselin | merged* | 18:32 |
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| mmedvede | saw that, yay! | 18:33 |
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| * krtaylor still needs to update his patch | 18:33 | |
| krtaylor | nice asselin ! | 18:33 |
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| sweston | asselin, I saw it as well, well done, sir | 18:33 |
| asselin | still some 'details' that need to ironed out and the rest should hopefully go smoothly | 18:33 |
| mmedvede | There are two spec patches that are ready to land as well | 18:34 |
| asselin | trying to keep track of those details in the infr-spec, so please review those | 18:34 |
| mmedvede | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/132129/ | 18:34 |
| mmedvede | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/129768/ | 18:34 |
| mmedvede | probably should ask in tomorrow infra meeting | 18:34 |
| krtaylor | excellent, yet another way for us to contribute | 18:34 |
| krtaylor | mmedvede, yes | 18:34 |
| krtaylor | can someone put that on the infra agenda? | 18:35 |
| asselin | yes, I'm not planning ot change those 2. Instead, add stuff to new reviews | 18:35 |
| asselin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/134393/ | 18:35 |
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| krtaylor | ok, I should be there as well | 18:36 |
| krtaylor | asselin, are you putting that on the agenda? | 18:36 |
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| asselin | I wonder if we can just poke them in -infra? | 18:37 |
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| asselin | I can add agenda item to decide on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/134393/1/specs/puppet-modules.rst | 18:37 |
| mmedvede | asselin: yes, we can. I meant to do this today. Would save meeting time | 18:37 |
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| krtaylor | asselin, well maybe, if they dont need discussion across the broader team | 18:37 |
| krtaylor | and it would save getting bumped to next week :) | 18:38 |
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| asselin | krtaylor, ok, I can add the agenda item. but will try to get it resolved today still | 18:38 |
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| krtaylor | sounds like a plan | 18:38 |
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| krtaylor | anything else? | 18:38 |
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| krtaylor | btw, I will be making good on my request for third-party systems to come to this meeting and share their experience, how they worked through problems and so on | 18:39 |
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| krtaylor | so, look for that next week | 18:40 |
| krtaylor | ok, onward | 18:40 |
| ctlaugh | ^^ excellent | 18:40 |
| krtaylor | #topic CI system issues | 18:40 |
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| krtaylor | this is a new section of the meeting, for us to point out other systems that are having a problem, or to ask questions about a problem we are seeing with our own system | 18:41 |
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| krtaylor | the idea is to get us to be more self-regulating, as we discussed at summit | 18:41 |
| krtaylor | any issues seen? | 18:41 |
| krtaylor | anyone having a problem? | 18:42 |
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| krtaylor | mmedvede, we could bring up that we have seen lately | 18:42 |
| mmedvede | we had a problem today when upstream created a new project (irc-meetings) and it did not properly replicate to their servers | 18:43 |
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| krtaylor | did that hit anyone else? | 18:43 |
| mmedvede | It took about 2.5 hours for the new git repository to be properly created. | 18:43 |
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| mmedvede | This did manifest as nodepool image update failing on that repository | 18:44 |
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| krtaylor | ok, well, if no other concerns or issues, then I'll open the floor | 18:46 |
| krtaylor | #topic Open Discussion | 18:46 |
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| * krtaylor thinks everyone is still tired and busy from summit travel | 18:47 | |
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| krtaylor | well, we have wound down the discussion rather quickly | 18:48 |
| krtaylor | thanks everyone for attending today | 18:48 |
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| sweston | thanks | 18:49 |
| krtaylor | I'll go ahead and end the meeting then | 18:49 |
| krtaylor | bye everyone | 18:49 |
| krtaylor | #endmeeting | 18:49 |
| asselin | thanks | 18:49 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 17 18:49:33 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-11-17-18.01.html | 18:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-11-17-18.01.txt | 18:49 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-11-17-18.01.log.html | 18:49 |
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| NobodyCam | morning all, who are here for the Ironic meeting | 19:00 |
| GheRivero | o/ | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | #startmeeting Ironic | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | #chair devananda | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | Welcome everyone to the Ironic meeting. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 17 19:00:13 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is NobodyCam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Ironic)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 19:00 |
| dtantsur | o/ | 19:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: NobodyCam devananda | 19:00 |
| mrda | o/ | 19:00 |
| lucasagomes | o/ | 19:00 |
| JoshNang | o/ | 19:00 |
| pensu | o/ | 19:00 |
| yuriyz | o/ | 19:00 |
| romcheg | o/ | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | Of course the agenda can be found at: | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:00 |
| naohirot | o/ | 19:00 |
| yjiang5 | o/ | 19:00 |
| vdrok | o/ | 19:00 |
| ChuckC | o/ | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | wow big meeting today | 19:00 |
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| rloo | hi | 19:00 |
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| NobodyCam | great to see everyone at the summit :) | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | #topic Greetings, roll-call and announcements | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | Roll-call: Who's here for the Ironic Meeting? | 19:00 |
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| zyluo | o/ | 19:01 |
| NobodyCam | oh think we just did that one | 19:01 |
| JayF | o/ | 19:01 |
| Shrews | o/ | 19:01 |
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| NobodyCam | announcements: | 19:01 |
| NobodyCam | Devananda may be lurking, but I expect he's still traveling. | 19:01 |
| harshada_kakad | o/ | 19:01 |
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| adam_g | o/ | 19:02 |
| NobodyCam | ok we chatted about a new format for the meetings, While its not official I was going to try and hold to the new format | 19:02 |
| jroll | \o | 19:02 |
| NobodyCam | basicly more talk about specs/reviews and a little less status | 19:02 |
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| jroll | all +1 here | 19:03 |
| lucasagomes | sounds good | 19:03 |
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| GheRivero | +1 | 19:03 |
| dtantsur | +1 | 19:03 |
| pensu | +1 | 19:03 |
| NobodyCam | I hope every one made it back with out any summit sickness | 19:03 |
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| jroll | NobodyCam: should we do 5 minutes for updates since we don't have that stuff set up yet? (and it's been weeks) | 19:03 |
| NobodyCam | jroll: yep comming up next | 19:03 |
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| JayF | NobodyCam: You know better than to hope that; hah | 19:03 |
| jroll | :) | 19:03 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:04 |
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| NobodyCam | ok lets jump in to the old format stuff: | 19:04 |
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| NobodyCam | #topic SubTeam: status report (deprecated) | 19:04 |
| NobodyCam | In an effort to speed the meeting along and promote the new format lets have a | 19:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "SubTeam: status report (deprecated) (Meeting topic: Ironic)" | 19:04 | |
| NobodyCam | cattle call for status updates | 19:04 |
| NobodyCam | #topic SubTeam: | 19:04 |
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| JayF | IPA has updates | 19:04 |
| NobodyCam | adam_g: testing | 19:04 |
| NobodyCam | dtantsur: bugs | 19:04 |
| NobodyCam | Ghe: oslo | 19:04 |
| NobodyCam | jroll: IPA | 19:05 |
| NobodyCam | Drivers: wanyen, linggao, lucas | 19:05 |
| dtantsur | Open: 97 (+9). 3 new, 26 in progress (+5), 0 critical, 10 high (+1) and 4 incomplete /end | 19:05 |
| NobodyCam | (sorry of the large paste) | 19:05 |
| NobodyCam | dtantsur: +9 :( | 19:05 |
| dtantsur | oh, sorry wrong copy-paste | 19:05 |
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| dtantsur | Open: 100 (+12). 6 new (+3), 29 in progress (+8), 0 critical, 10 high (+1) and 3 incomplete (-1) | 19:05 |
| JayF | The agent_ssh tempest jobs are *passing* when using a prebuilt, binary agent (how they run for ironic). Please treat these jobs as voting now. | 19:05 |
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| lucasagomes | + 12 | 19:05 |
| NobodyCam | ieek that worse... can we go back to the other one :-p | 19:05 |
| wanyen | working on design specs and currently under internalreview | 19:05 |
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| JayF | I have https://review.openstack.org/#/c/134438/ up to have the agent_ssh-src job fixed, so IPA can then gate on tempest tests, at which point I'll start making the agent_ssh jobs voting as appropriate | 19:06 |
| adam_g | I've been spending my AM looking into https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-ci/+bug/1393099 hoping to get some patches up to collect more debug info to get to the bottom of it | 19:06 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1393099 in openstack-ci "test_baremetal_server_ops fails with timeout waiting for provision_state to change" [Undecided,Incomplete] | 19:06 |
| lucasagomes | JayF, w00t | 19:06 |
| NobodyCam | wayen awesome | 19:06 |
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| lucasagomes | JayF, are we waiting like a week or so before making it voting? | 19:06 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/134438 | 19:06 |
| JayF | lucasagomes: the agent_ssh job (non-src) has already got quite a bit of good history of passing | 19:06 |
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| jroll | agent_ssh jobs have been passing for a week or two on ironic changes | 19:07 |
| GheRivero | oslo: New libraries out of incubation are on its way: log, context, utils | 19:07 |
| NobodyCam | adam_g: thats a odd one | 19:07 |
| JayF | lucasagomes: the agent_ssh-src job will run on IPA only, and it's a situation where if it passes once I wouldn't expect it to fail | 19:07 |
| GheRivero | oslo: syncing oslo blocked at: config (lucasagomes, solved) and new policy (romcheg) | 19:07 |
| jroll | adam_g: got a quick link to your ironic job stats? | 19:07 |
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| adam_g | #link http://no-carrier.net/~adam/openstack/ironic_gate_status.html | 19:07 |
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| * JayF emphasizes to cores: Please do not approve any changes with tempest agent_ssh failing for a valid reason | 19:07 | |
| jroll | thanks | 19:07 |
| romcheg | GheRivero: Yup, I updated policy patch a few days ago | 19:07 |
| dtantsur | JayF, ack | 19:07 |
| lucasagomes | JayF, jroll great! yeah we may want to have it voting soonish then | 19:07 |
| GheRivero | romcheg: I'm looking at it | 19:08 |
| lucasagomes | probably it can be proposed already | 19:08 |
| jroll | agent_ssh is on adam's gate status thing | 19:08 |
| jroll | and lgtm | 19:08 |
| NobodyCam | JayF: I've seen it fail with a rst file change | 19:08 |
| GheRivero | romcheg: thx for it | 19:08 |
| JayF | lucasagomes: NobodyCam: I am not going to make agent_ssh job voting until IPA itself can gate on it (what the -src tests are for) | 19:08 |
| JayF | lucasagomes: NobodyCam: So I hope we can flip that switch this week | 19:08 |
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| NobodyCam | JayF: :) | 19:08 |
| dtantsur | small announcement: ironic-discoverd is now on stackforge, more news coming next week, I hope https://github.com/stackforge/ironic-discoverd | 19:09 |
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| jroll | \o/ | 19:09 |
| JayF | dtantsur: I have a question about that | 19:09 |
| lucasagomes | nice :) | 19:09 |
| jroll | #link https://github.com/stackforge/ironic-discoverd | 19:09 |
| mrda | yay! | 19:09 |
| NobodyCam | yes great work dtantsur :) | 19:09 |
| JayF | dtantsur: ironic-python-agent was put into openstack/ and was immediately made part of the baremetal program | 19:09 |
| JoshNang | dtantsur: wooo! | 19:09 |
| pensu | Nice :) | 19:09 |
| JayF | dtantsur: any reason we haven't taken that aggressive approach with discoverd? | 19:09 |
| dtantsur | JayF, we'll consider it later this cycle, that's what we agreed on with devananda | 19:09 |
| JayF | dtantsur: was looking under programs.yaml, and don't see any stackforge/ projects officially associated with a program | 19:10 |
| JayF | dtantsur: aha, wonderful then :D | 19:10 |
| NobodyCam | JayF: we are going to start, is that not what came out of the summit? | 19:10 |
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| JayF | NobodyCam: I was just asking if not doing all the things was an explict decision or a missed step | 19:10 |
| NobodyCam | ahh :) | 19:11 |
| JayF | explicit decision is what dtantsur answered with which is fine by me | 19:11 |
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| NobodyCam | :) | 19:11 |
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| JayF | just I remember from doing teeth-agent -> ironic-python-agent was something that not many folks knew all the steps up. Was going to offer help if needed P | 19:11 |
| JayF | :P | 19:11 |
| dtantsur | JayF, thanks, I'll ping you, if we'll be moving on :) | 19:12 |
| NobodyCam | ok are there any thoughts on sending status info / updates to the ML before the meeting? and just have a small section where we can discuss any items of consern to folks? | 19:12 |
| GheRivero | small announcement: The liaison program has been extended to other projects: QA, Doc, API (lucasagomes), Stable, Vulnerability More info at: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons | 19:13 |
| jroll | NobodyCam: I think we should do it; I think we should make the etherpad today, mail the list that it exists | 19:13 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons | 19:13 |
| jroll | appoint someone to send out current status report every friday/monday | 19:13 |
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| jroll | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-status-report | 19:13 |
| JayF | Has anyone laid claim to Vulnerability liason for Ironic? | 19:13 |
| jroll | is my proposal | 19:13 |
| GheRivero | NobodyCam: There are many subprojects. I prefer an etherpad than a mail report per status | 19:13 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, +1 for the etherpad | 19:14 |
| jroll | JayF: I spoke to devananda about taking it on, he gave me some reading material, we didn't make it official | 19:14 |
| JayF | Aggreggate status to etherpad, email status to list periodically seems like a decent pattern | 19:14 |
| JayF | because *nobody* non-Ironic is going to view our etherpads, but our status reports are likely of interest to a wider audience | 19:14 |
| JayF | just my $0.02 | 19:14 |
| jroll | yeah | 19:14 |
| jroll | +1 | 19:14 |
| NobodyCam | jroll: JayF: I'm good with etherpad. | 19:15 |
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| NobodyCam | (yet another etherpad) | 19:15 |
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| NobodyCam | lol | 19:15 |
| jroll | do we want to have a separate section for IPA or just put it under drivers | 19:15 |
| jroll | ? | 19:15 |
| NobodyCam | jroll: you really fix in to both? | 19:15 |
| dtantsur | white not use existing whiteboard? | 19:15 |
| lucasagomes | NobodyCam, jroll JayF we can even use the whiteboard no? | 19:15 |
| * mrda is waiting for the therpad to load | 19:15 | |
| lucasagomes | dtantsur, +1 | 19:16 |
| jroll | could take up lots of space | 19:16 |
| jroll | I don't care either way | 19:16 |
| jroll | use whiteboard or ref from whiteboard | 19:16 |
| rloo | is the whiteboard/etherpad going to contain a history of status', or just the previous week's? | 19:16 |
| rloo | I don't what the whiteboard to get cluttered with history of status'. | 19:16 |
| mrda | ref from whiteboard +1 | 19:16 |
| jroll | IMO, should contain just current status | 19:16 |
| jroll | current status gets emailed weekly | 19:16 |
| NobodyCam | I tend to use the whiteboard for quick status stuff. | 19:16 |
| jroll | mailing list archive for old statuses | 19:16 |
| JayF | ++ | 19:17 |
| lucasagomes | sounds good | 19:17 |
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| NobodyCam | ++ | 19:17 |
| mrda | +1 | 19:17 |
| GheRivero | +1 | 19:17 |
| rloo | if current status only, I'm ok with whiteboard ;) | 19:17 |
| dtantsur | +1 | 19:17 |
| NobodyCam | do we want a offical vote? | 19:17 |
| NobodyCam | or hold off untill next week | 19:17 |
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| rloo | vote on what? | 19:17 |
| JayF | sounds like it already passed by acclimation? | 19:18 |
| jroll | NobodyCam: let's do this, anyone disagree with this proposal? | 19:18 |
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| NobodyCam | using ehterpad/whiteboard | 19:18 |
| lucasagomes | yeah seems that we have agreed with it already | 19:18 |
| NobodyCam | hey deva__ :) | 19:18 |
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| NobodyCam | ack. | 19:18 |
| jroll | NobodyCam: let's also email what we decide to the list for folks to disagree | 19:18 |
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| jroll | (I can do that) | 19:18 |
| rloo | I don't think deciding on etherpad vs whiteboard requires a vote/email discussion? | 19:19 |
| NobodyCam | jroll: you going to handle that? | 19:19 |
| dtantsur | yeah, we decided to use ML more | 19:19 |
| jroll | rloo: I mean the whole thing in general | 19:19 |
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| dtantsur | rloo, just communicate so that someone can say nooooooooooooooo | 19:19 |
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| jroll | while we're on the whiteboard topic, can we delete old gate issues please? | 19:19 |
| rloo | no to what? having status' sent in email once/week and not discussing much in meetings? | 19:19 |
| deva__ | jroll: please do | 19:19 |
| NobodyCam | jroll: I would say please lease anything less then a week old? | 19:20 |
| jroll | done | 19:20 |
| NobodyCam | hehehe | 19:20 |
| lucasagomes | I put an email up to discuss the meeting format, people can say no there | 19:20 |
| dtantsur | rloo, ^^^ | 19:20 |
| rloo | so we're talking about a vote to change the meeting format? | 19:20 |
| lucasagomes | so far people only +1'ed | 19:20 |
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| deva__ | we also agreed in Paris to start having alternating meeting times, iirc | 19:20 |
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| mrda | \o/ | 19:21 |
| NobodyCam | deva__: thats next on my list | 19:21 |
| mrda | :) | 19:21 |
| NobodyCam | #topic Post Summit Discussion | 19:21 |
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| NobodyCam | do we want to chat about splitting / alternating the meeting for those folks in | 19:21 |
| NobodyCam | out lying time zones. | 19:21 |
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| deva__ | NobodyCam: oh, sorry :) | 19:21 |
| NobodyCam | hehehehe | 19:21 |
| rloo | NobodyCam: did we have closure on what we just discussed? | 19:21 |
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| NobodyCam | rloo: I took it as whiteboard for current status, and jroll would be mailing the list for everything else | 19:22 |
| * NobodyCam *ducks* | 19:22 | |
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| jroll | ogod | 19:22 |
| NobodyCam | :-p | 19:22 |
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| jroll | I mean, I'm pretty good at copy/paste | 19:22 |
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| rloo | and 'everything else' = = ? | 19:22 |
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| rloo | am I the only one that seems confused? | 19:23 |
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| jroll | meaning email the status report weekly | 19:23 |
| pensu | rloo: me too, I thought we were going with etherpad! | 19:23 |
| rloo | jroll: ah, ok thx. | 19:23 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, no I'm a bit confused now... seems we are discussing the etherpad thing still | 19:23 |
| * NobodyCam backs up | 19:23 | |
| rloo | ha ha | 19:23 |
| jroll | sigh | 19:24 |
| NobodyCam | hehehe | 19:24 |
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| jroll | I have since made the correct categories on the whiteboard and on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-status-report | 19:24 |
| jroll | so whichever gets the first status update wins | 19:24 |
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| NobodyCam | so I left off with current status reports going on the whiteboard | 19:24 |
| rloo | I thought people wanted to use the whiteboard, not a different etherpad | 19:24 |
| dtantsur | ++ | 19:25 |
| jroll | that's fine with me | 19:25 |
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| NobodyCam | then each week a copy/paste email would capture the "history" in the mailling list | 19:25 |
| wanyen | link to the whiteboard pls | 19:25 |
| NobodyCam | have I missed the boat? | 19:25 |
| jroll | yes | 19:25 |
| jroll | wanyen: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard | 19:25 |
| lucasagomes | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard | 19:26 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard | 19:26 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:26 |
| wanyen | tx | 19:26 |
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| rloo | here's my understanding then: | 19:26 |
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| rloo | people put status in whiteboard by XXX hours before weekly meeting | 19:26 |
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| rloo | Someone sends email at/when weekly with status stuff and clears whiteboard status section | 19:26 |
| mrda | rloo: sounds good! | 19:27 |
| rloo | repeat weekly | 19:27 |
| jroll | agree | 19:27 |
| dtantsur | yeah | 19:27 |
| lucasagomes | +1 | 19:27 |
| rloo | jroll to send email about our new process wrt status | 19:27 |
| dtantsur | now to define XXX :) | 19:27 |
| NobodyCam | yep | 19:27 |
| jroll | I say don't clear whiteboard section tbh | 19:27 |
| jroll | dtantsur: EOB friday? | 19:27 |
| mrda | if it were in it's own etherpad, this process could be automated... | 19:27 |
| jroll | I can also send the weekly mail | 19:28 |
| dtantsur | jroll, define EOB :) | 19:28 |
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| rloo | what does EOB mean? | 19:28 |
| devananda | on my laptop now so i can actually say things | 19:28 |
| jroll | dtantsur: I'm in the last time zone to go EOB | 19:28 |
| mrda | End of Beer | 19:28 |
| jroll | so EOB for you | 19:28 |
| jroll | is fine | 19:28 |
| jroll | because that's before EOB for me | 19:28 |
| dtantsur | heh ok | 19:28 |
| NobodyCam | at the summit we talked about locking the agenda 48 hours before the meeting, not sure thats valid for status | 19:28 |
| jroll | until we get a hawaiin | 19:28 |
| jroll | hawaiian? | 19:28 |
| jroll | NobodyCam: I think that's fine for status | 19:28 |
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| dtantsur | yeah, locking bug report at Fri may make it incorrect on Mon | 19:29 |
| * Shrews volunteers to move to Hawaii... for the team | 19:29 | |
| rloo | i'd prefer some time before the weekly meeting, since who knows if they will always be on mondays | 19:29 |
| jroll | then people can come up with questions/issues/etc based on that info | 19:29 |
| JayF | How about status report gets sent as soon as meeting is over | 19:29 |
| jroll | the point is to not talk about status on monday | 19:29 |
| JayF | so if there's anything sticky in the status, it can be brought up in the meeting | 19:29 |
| JayF | if not, the info is dissemenated after meeting | 19:29 |
| jroll | so it's irrelevant if there is inaccuracies in between | 19:29 |
| devananda | JayF: ++ | 19:29 |
| dtantsur | JayF, if report is made on Fri but sent on Mon, it's stale | 19:29 |
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| jroll | it will be made immediately before sending | 19:30 |
| jroll | whenever we decide that is | 19:30 |
| NobodyCam | for status I've actually say somethig like 4 four hours before the meeting to give folks time to look them over | 19:30 |
| devananda | status tracked in etherpad, we look at it around the meeting time and only discuss if something looks *wrong* | 19:30 |
| devananda | then send it after meeting | 19:30 |
| devananda | that sounds good to me | 19:30 |
| jroll | fine with me | 19:30 |
| dtantsur | then I +1 to forming it 4 hours in advance | 19:30 |
| lucasagomes | yeah sounds reasonable | 19:30 |
| jroll | and email after meeting? | 19:30 |
| NobodyCam | ++ | 19:30 |
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| dtantsur | jroll, yes | 19:30 |
| jroll | ok | 19:30 |
| lucasagomes | yeah | 19:30 |
| * jroll makes notes | 19:30 | |
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| NobodyCam | (thnak you for taking notes on this jroll) | 19:31 |
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| rloo | and whiteboard or non-whiteboard etherpad? (sorry, I have a very short-term memory) | 19:31 |
| jroll | whiteboard is fine | 19:31 |
| lucasagomes | whiteboard +1 | 19:31 |
| dtantsur | whiteboard IIRC | 19:31 |
| NobodyCam | I'm ok with whiteboard | 19:31 |
| devananda | #agreed status reporting to move to an etherpad, updated before meeting. discuss only things which we disagree on. summary gets emailed after meeting | 19:31 |
| * lucasagomes have too many etherpads open already | 19:32 | |
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| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: +++1 | 19:32 |
| NobodyCam | ok good to move on? | 19:32 |
| rloo | yes | 19:32 |
| jroll | +1 | 19:32 |
| lucasagomes | please | 19:32 |
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| NobodyCam | do we want to chat about splitting / alternating the meeting for those folks in | 19:33 |
| NobodyCam | out lying time zones. | 19:33 |
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| jroll | yes | 19:33 |
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| mrda | I have a link: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?iso=20141125&p1=5&p2=224&p3=78&p4=179&p5=367&p6=33 | 19:33 |
| rloo | I think we should, the question is what is the other meeting time? | 19:33 |
| jroll | genius, mdra | 19:33 |
| NobodyCam | has anyone looked for a free meeting slot? | 19:33 |
| mrda | (prepared beforehand :) | 19:33 |
| jroll | so, our chairs are both west coast US, usually | 19:34 |
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| jroll | shall we make one very early and one very late for west coast folks? | 19:34 |
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| jroll | where "very" is somewhat reasonable | 19:34 |
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| devananda | i'm fine with lucas chairing an EU-timezone'd meeting, but that doesn't help mrda much | 19:34 |
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| mrda | I think something only a few hours later would be fine | 19:34 |
| mrda | It would hurt our eastern european friends | 19:35 |
| devananda | mrda: oh, right. later is better for you, not earlier | 19:35 |
| rloo | is the current time up for grabs too? or are we looking to keep this one, add a second one? | 19:35 |
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| devananda | rloo: add second one, alternate weeks | 19:35 |
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| devananda | many other projects have adopted that as they grew | 19:35 |
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| * jroll proposes 0000 and 1500 | 19:35 | |
| jroll | 1900 is pretty late for europeans | 19:35 |
| rloo | this time doesn't seem to work for either EU (very well) or Australia (bad). | 19:35 |
| * lucasagomes is looking at the times | 19:36 | |
| jroll | maybe s/1500/1700/, dunno | 19:36 |
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| dtantsur | 1500 better then 1700 for me personally :) | 19:36 |
| mrda | I can live with one week at 1900 (but in non-summer it's 0430) | 19:36 |
| yuriyz | jroll, +1 | 19:36 |
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| jroll | is anyone east coast US? | 19:37 |
| jroll | or central time? | 19:37 |
| rloo | east coast Canada ;) | 19:37 |
| devananda | remember, we'll still only have one meeting per week. so everyone is (probably) going to miss a meeting now and then | 19:37 |
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| Shrews | jroll: i'm east coast | 19:37 |
| jroll | Shrews: rloo: is 0000 too late for you? (7pm) | 19:37 |
| mrda | Alternate weeks, 2300 works fine is 2300 for Dublin and 0100 for Kiev | 19:37 |
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| mrda | though | 19:38 |
| Shrews | jroll: honestly, if 15 or 17:00 are proposed, i'd attend those | 19:38 |
| rloo | i'm happy attending a meeting once every two weeks | 19:38 |
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| jroll | ok, then I stand by my proposal and brace for wet cats and other strange objects to be thrown | 19:38 |
| lucasagomes | maybe let's put an email to ML to decide it | 19:38 |
| lucasagomes | since it's going to affect folks that can't be in this meeting | 19:38 |
| rloo | we should have a time that makes folks happy outside of North America | 19:38 |
| NobodyCam | 1700 not that far from 1900 | 19:38 |
| lucasagomes | I think it's fairest to decide on the ML | 19:38 |
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| jroll | lucasagomes: yes, we should do that regardless but need a couple good proposals first | 19:39 |
| devananda | actually, I'd rather not punt that to the ML - it's not a matter of making it perfect for everyone, cause that can't happen | 19:39 |
| rloo | I agree with lucas, but in the email maybe suggest some times just to get things heated up, err rolling | 19:39 |
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| rloo | but lucasagomes is right, folks who might have a say may be sleeping now | 19:39 |
| mrda | The current 1900 is hard, but doable. 1700 is a killer :) | 19:39 |
| Shrews | don't we have to consider what times are _available_ for the #-meeting channel(s)? | 19:39 |
| rloo | at least ask haomeng? | 19:39 |
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| devananda | Shrews: yup. i was just getting that info | 19:40 |
| dtantsur | seems like we can have one US+AU meeting and one EU+Asia | 19:40 |
| devananda | it's not obviously listed, but it is available here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings | 19:40 |
| lucasagomes | Shrews, yeah also that, we should take a look at what is available for the openstack meetings | 19:40 |
| jroll | yes, we should ask haomeng | 19:40 |
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| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: are you planning on chairing the "OTHER" meeting? | 19:40 |
| lucasagomes | NobodyCam, yup I can do that | 19:40 |
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| jroll | there's three meeting rooms by now, I'd be surprised if many slots were full | 19:40 |
| lucasagomes | (if folks agree with it ofc) | 19:40 |
| NobodyCam | csn we ask the chair to get a consences for it and come back with a perposal | 19:40 |
| devananda | four, actually | 19:41 |
| rloo | 4 meeting rooms | 19:41 |
| jroll | wow | 19:41 |
| rloo | hey, could always add a 5th room ;) | 19:41 |
| NobodyCam | (sorry lucasagomes :-p) | 19:41 |
| lucasagomes | NobodyCam, it's all good :) | 19:41 |
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| lucasagomes | I would like to see who is willing to participate in an alternate meeting | 19:41 |
| lucasagomes | and make the best time for the majority | 19:42 |
| NobodyCam | but I agree that the folks that care may not be at this meeting | 19:42 |
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| wanyen | I will ask one iLO driver teammember fromIndia to attend teh alternative meeting time | 19:42 |
| JayF | ++ to the idea we have to float this at the ML first, explicitly to catch people who can't/won't attend here | 19:42 |
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| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: can I give you a action item to see what time folks would like | 19:42 |
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| devananda | besides haomeng, what other cores or ATCs are active outside of US/EU timezones? | 19:43 |
| lucasagomes | NobodyCam, sure, I can put out an email about it | 19:43 |
| wanyen | India | 19:43 |
| devananda | ah - wanyen, thanks! what is the UTF offset there? | 19:43 |
| devananda | * UTC | 19:43 |
| rloo | besides mrda too? | 19:43 |
| wanyen | I don't know | 19:43 |
| zyluo | 15 17 sounds good for PRC | 19:43 |
| lucasagomes | there's also some people in japan takada | 19:43 |
| lucasagomes | and haomeng | 19:43 |
| rloo | yuiko? | 19:43 |
| devananda | rloo: mrda is here to represent himself :) | 19:43 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, yeah | 19:43 |
| naohirot | devananda: Hi, I'm in Japan | 19:43 |
| lucasagomes | naohirot, is in japan too | 19:44 |
| lucasagomes | oh yeah :) | 19:44 |
| devananda | naohirot: hi! thanks for speaking up :) | 19:44 |
| mrda | Japan, Australia and China line us nicely | 19:44 |
| rloo | (oh yeah, hi mrda) | 19:44 |
| naohirot | lucasagomes: :-) | 19:44 |
| NobodyCam | hi naohirot :) | 19:44 |
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| harshada_kakad | india | 19:44 |
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| devananda | http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?iso=20141125&p1=5&p2=224&p3=78&p4=179&p5=367&p6=33&p7=44&p8=248 | 19:45 |
| rloo | there doesn't seem to be much 'daytime' overlap between dublin and eg beijing | 19:45 |
| devananda | I added mumbai and tokyo | 19:45 |
| jroll | rloo: agree | 19:45 |
| zyluo | please add china also | 19:45 |
| rloo | isn't beijing in china? | 19:46 |
| jroll | that's why I think 1500-1700 and 0000-0200 are ok | 19:46 |
| jroll | UE/EU and US/Others, respectively | 19:46 |
| devananda | 17:00 and 5:00 UTC | 19:46 |
| zyluo | rloo, oh didn't see that. | 19:46 |
| NobodyCam | lol just fyi less then 15 minutes left | 19:46 |
| jroll | devananda: who would chair 0500? | 19:46 |
| devananda | 5 UTC is just the tail end of being attendable by crazy US west coast people (9PM for us) | 19:46 |
| jroll | oh, right, crazy people :) | 19:47 |
| devananda | but catches everyone else at good daytime hours | 19:47 |
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| wanyen | what is west coast time for 5:00 UTC? | 19:47 |
| devananda | 9PM | 19:47 |
| wanyen | that should works for Inida folks | 19:47 |
| dtantsur | 17:00 UTC sounds nice | 19:47 |
| rloo | how does 17 utc work for Beijing/Tokyo? | 19:48 |
| lucasagomes | dtantsur, +1 | 19:48 |
| jroll | rloo: 1am/2am | 19:48 |
| rloo | jroll: aren't they sleeping then? | 19:48 |
| zyluo | rloo, better than the current meeting time | 19:48 |
| jroll | beijing/yokyo would be on the 5am UTC meeting | 19:48 |
| mrda | 17utc == 1am beijing and 3:30 for adelaide | 19:48 |
| jroll | tokyo* | 19:48 |
| dtantsur | though it's go-home time, so will have to leave either earlier or later, but that's not a concern | 19:48 |
| devananda | rloo: 5:00 UTC is 1pm beijing 2pm tokyo | 19:48 |
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| jroll | oh wow | 19:49 |
| jroll | I can't read | 19:49 |
| jroll | sorry | 19:49 |
| lucasagomes | what about 9 utc? | 19:49 |
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| rloo | devananda: yes, 5 UTC looks good. I didn't see how 17 UTC would work. | 19:49 |
| mrda | is there great dissention from leaving this timeslot ewhere it is, and adding 0500UTC ? | 19:49 |
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| devananda | lucasagomes: 9 UTC is too late for anyone in US | 19:50 |
| devananda | mrda: so 0500 and 1900 ? | 19:50 |
| dtantsur | rloo, 17 UTC works for EU and Asia, no? | 19:50 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, I see, 5 utc is quite early for me | 19:50 |
| lucasagomes | but ok | 19:50 |
| mrda | 5 and 19 is doable for me - I'd make both. | 19:50 |
| mrda | (even though 19 is early) | 19:51 |
| rloo | dtantsur: 17 UTC = 5pm dublin, 1am beijing, 2am tokyo... | 19:51 |
| Shrews | i would miss the 5, but rather attend the 19 | 19:51 |
| Shrews | so i'd become a European :) which is fine | 19:51 |
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| dtantsur | Shrews, +1 | 19:51 |
| yuriyz | +1 | 19:52 |
| dtantsur | rloo, 19 is even worse for them | 19:52 |
| devananda | 1900 is the current meeting time, fwiw | 19:52 |
| rloo | dtantsur: I'm not even sure what is going on now ;) | 19:52 |
| dtantsur | heh | 19:52 |
| lucasagomes | hah yeah... I think people are talking in different tzs here | 19:52 |
| lucasagomes | let's decide it in UTC please | 19:53 |
| jroll | ^ | 19:53 |
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| Shrews | oh, i mixed up the proposed times. either way | 19:53 |
| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: ++ | 19:53 |
| jroll | 7 minute warning | 19:53 |
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| devananda | ok | 19:53 |
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| devananda | I'll email two options to the list | 19:53 |
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| jroll | thank you! | 19:53 |
| devananda | it sounds like there's general agreement on "this is a good thing" | 19:53 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: awesome Thank you | 19:53 |
| lucasagomes | yeah I think it's good, I'm very interested to know who are willing to participate and all | 19:54 |
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| NobodyCam | devananda: want a action? | 19:54 |
| devananda | #action devananda to propose two (specific) time slot combinations to the ML | 19:54 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:54 |
| devananda | let's move on ... | 19:54 |
| NobodyCam | #topic spec / review discussion: The new state machine | 19:54 |
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| NobodyCam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/133828 | 19:54 |
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| NobodyCam | I saw several questions last week in channel about this | 19:55 |
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| yjiang5 | I'm one of them :) I just thought we push too much into the provision state, which will be used by provision tools like nova. | 19:56 |
| NobodyCam | the main one concern was are we over loading provision state, (how) will this impact Nova? | 19:56 |
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| NobodyCam | can we tackel that in 4 minutes | 19:56 |
| dtantsur | I honestly think that we had enough discussion on the summit :-/ | 19:56 |
| jroll | I kind of doubt it | 19:56 |
| NobodyCam | also there are open discussion itiems on the agenda | 19:57 |
| jroll | we did discuss this point at the summit, no? | 19:57 |
| * jroll currently has a bad memory | 19:57 | |
| lucasagomes | seems so... and I don't know how much it would affect nova | 19:57 |
| devananda | jroll: i do not recall it, no | 19:57 |
| yjiang5 | jroll: sorry, I didn't attend the summit, and I didn't say this was discussed in the spec. | 19:57 |
| lucasagomes | cause states like ENROLL, INIT, DISCOVERING not won't see it | 19:57 |
| jroll | ok, sorry | 19:58 |
| lucasagomes | nova won't* | 19:58 |
| devananda | yjiang5: IIUC, you're suggesting we represent the new states with a different interface | 19:58 |
| devananda | not provision_state | 19:58 |
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| dtantsur | the only change to nova should be using AVAILABLE instead of NOSTATE, right? | 19:58 |
| devananda | dtantsur: nope | 19:58 |
| yjiang5 | devananda: : yes, something like that. | 19:58 |
| NobodyCam | one minute | 19:59 |
| dtantsur | yjiang5, that what's the provision_state of node under discovery? | 19:59 |
| devananda | dtantsur: nova will also need to learn what the other states are, and what to "do" with them | 19:59 |
| devananda | is a node in "zapping" available for scheduling new instances on? | 19:59 |
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| JoshNang | i'd hope not! | 19:59 |
| dtantsur | devananda, no, it's not | 19:59 |
| devananda | right | 19:59 |
| devananda | that was a rhetorical question | 19:59 |
| NobodyCam | is a node in zapping billiable | 19:59 |
| dtantsur | select node from nodes where state=AVAILABLE :) | 19:59 |
| devananda | i mean, we have to make the Nova driver understand this | 19:59 |
| devananda | and we need to consider backwards compat // upgrade paths | 20:00 |
| NobodyCam | thats our time | 20:00 |
| lucasagomes | IIRC available is the state where nova look at to schedule things on it | 20:00 |
| devananda | and third party tools | 20:00 |
| yjiang5 | devananda: yes, and the 'undertand' may means "don't need care". | 20:00 |
| devananda | yjiang5: right | 20:00 |
| lucasagomes | yeah backwards compat will be a problem we need to discuss it further | 20:00 |
| lucasagomes | in the channel :) | 20:00 |
| devananda | ok - let's continue this on the spec or ML | 20:00 |
| lucasagomes | meeting's over | 20:00 |
| ChuckC | sorry to interrupt, but i have a quick plea for attention on http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-November/050329.html | 20:00 |
| devananda | yjiang5: thanks for bringing up the concern | 20:00 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, spec +1 | 20:00 |
| harshada_kakad | #limk https://review.openstack.org/#/c/132628/ | 20:00 |
| yjiang5 | devananda: :) | 20:00 |
| NobodyCam | ChuckC: lets take a look in channel | 20:01 |
| harshada_kakad | i would like to review someone | 20:01 |
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| NobodyCam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/132628 | 20:01 |
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| NobodyCam | thank you all | 20:01 |
| sdake | is this meeting about to end, or just getting started? | 20:01 |
| NobodyCam | ending | 20:01 |
| sdake | thanks | 20:01 |
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| NobodyCam | #endmeeting | 20:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 17 20:01:53 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2014/ironic.2014-11-17-19.00.html | 20:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2014/ironic.2014-11-17-19.00.txt | 20:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2014/ironic.2014-11-17-19.00.log.html | 20:01 |
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| sdake | #startmeeting kolla | 20:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 17 20:02:07 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sdake. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kolla' | 20:02 |
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| sdake | #topic rollcall | 20:02 |
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| sdake | howdy \o/ ! | 20:02 |
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| radez | I'm here | 20:02 |
| jpeeler | hi | 20:02 |
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| rhallisey | hi | 20:03 |
| sdake | larsks around? | 20:03 |
| larsks | Here! | 20:03 |
| sdake | I think daneyon is out | 20:03 |
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| sdake | #topic milestone #2 | 20:03 |
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| sdake | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/milestone-2 | 20:04 |
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| sdake | this is planned for Friday, but no patches have landed | 20:04 |
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| sdake | and the blueprints are all marked not-started | 20:04 |
| sdake | are any started, that should be marked as such? | 20:04 |
| radez | I've not been able to get to mine.... :( | 20:05 |
| sdake | rhallisey or jpeeler? | 20:05 |
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| jpeeler | not yet | 20:05 |
| rhallisey | nope | 20:05 |
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| larsks | Uhhh...what they said. | 20:05 |
| sdake | yar openstack recovery month ftw :) | 20:05 |
| sdake | ok folks, well try to get cracking on em, each service is pretty easy - generally takes me a day or so to knock one out | 20:06 |
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| sdake | any blueprints in milestone #2 in doubt of not making friday? | 20:06 |
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| sdake | larsks config-out-container look ok for friday? | 20:07 |
| sdake | out/outside | 20:08 |
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| larsks | Oh, no, I'm afriad the "not-started" state of those blueprints is accurate. | 20:08 |
| sdake | there are 4.5 days between now and friday - is it oging to be done during that period :) | 20:08 |
| sdake | I don't quite understand how difficult it is | 20:08 |
| larsks | It seems unlikely. | 20:08 |
| sdake | cool i'll push to milestone #2 | 20:08 |
| radez | yea I don't think the os-config will make it either. I think that may have more than a milestone of work in it too | 20:08 |
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| radez | probably need to break it down into smaller pieces | 20:09 |
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| sdake | cool the rest look simple enough | 20:10 |
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| sdake | (for milestone #2 that is) | 20:10 |
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| sdake | #topic the business track discussion of docker containers | 20:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "the business track discussion of docker containers (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 20:10 | |
| sdake | radez would you mind giving us a rundown of the business track | 20:10 |
| sdake | I found a youtube link here: | 20:10 |
| sdake | #link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZBkCovEIZI | 20:11 |
| radez | sure James and Brent did a nice overview of the life cycle problem that we're working to address | 20:11 |
| radez | they showed a few different options of config mgmt and image based and container based | 20:11 |
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| radez | they walked through a basic arch of kubernetes and explained a bit of how things go toether | 20:12 |
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| radez | brent did a *successful* live demo launching a few pods and showing auth with keystone and | 20:13 |
| radez | interacting with glance | 20:13 |
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| radez | he launched the nova pod but didn't interactwith it | 20:13 |
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| radez | then finished with a little bit more technical discussion of some of the networking | 20:14 |
| sdake | live demo ftw | 20:14 |
| * stevebaker was there | 20:14 | |
| radez | how things are wired together and communicate | 20:14 |
| rhallisey | nice | 20:14 |
| radez | larsks: did I miss anything there? | 20:14 |
| sdake | what kind of questions popped up | 20:14 |
| radez | they also gave some nice props to the kolla team | 20:14 |
| larsks | No, that seems fair. I was watching from the hallway so had a hard time following things :) | 20:14 |
| radez | there weren't many open questions that were asked that I remember | 20:15 |
| radez | but there was a quite a swarm around the guys afterwards | 20:15 |
| sdake | cool, any questions from anyone in channel then? | 20:15 |
| sdake | ya - wtb microphone on during swarm :) | 20:15 |
| larsks | I fielded some questions after the demo from folks who came up to the front of the room. | 20:15 |
| larsks | Mostly about what we were doing and what sort of issues we had run into. | 20:16 |
| sdake | #topic magnum | 20:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "magnum (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 20:16 | |
| sdake | so magnum is in stackforge now - yay - which may be an interesting integration point for our work | 20:16 |
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| sdake | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:+stackforge/magnum,n,z | 20:17 |
| sdake | I think there is some qeustion as to what magnum will be | 20:17 |
| sdake | one option is a REST API as k8s and docker backends | 20:18 |
| sdake | as/over | 20:18 |
| sdake | time will tell | 20:18 |
| sdake | at some point, we may consider using that software, especially if it backends k8s | 20:18 |
| sdake | I intend to help on magnum a bit too | 20:18 |
| sdake | any questions re magnum? | 20:18 |
| radez | could you elaborate on it a bit? | 20:19 |
| sdake | magnum is a container scheduler project | 20:19 |
| radez | I'm not sure I get what's trying to be done there | 20:19 |
| radez | oh gotcha | 20:20 |
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| sdake | it will schedule containers - it could do this using docker or k8s | 20:20 |
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| sdake | presenting one api intially may be a challenge, but it could be done | 20:20 |
| sdake | especially if docker adopts pods, which looks possible | 20:20 |
| sdake | any more qs? | 20:21 |
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| sdake | #topic open topics | 20:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open topics (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 20:21 | |
| sdake | fast meeting yay :) | 20:21 |
| sdake | any open topics folks would like to discuss | 20:21 |
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| sdake | well on that long drawn out note i'll end the meeting :) | 20:22 |
| sdake | thanks folks | 20:22 |
| sdake | #endmeeting | 20:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:22 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 17 20:22:07 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:22 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2014/kolla.2014-11-17-20.02.html | 20:22 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2014/kolla.2014-11-17-20.02.txt | 20:22 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2014/kolla.2014-11-17-20.02.log.html | 20:22 |
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| rhallisey | thanks | 20:22 |
| larsks | Thanks all! | 20:22 |
| radez | c ya | 20:22 |
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| sdake | ec2 container service | 20:23 |
| sdake | interesting | 20:23 |
| sdake | have to check that out | 20:23 |
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