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| tspatzier | no meeting this week? | 12:03 |
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| Qiming | tspatzier, seems not | 12:04 |
| tspatzier | Qiming: zaneb just joined. So I guess we have a meeting :-) | 12:05 |
| zaneb | #startmeeting heat | 12:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 23 12:05:09 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zaneb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 12:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 12:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: heat)" | 12:05 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 12:05 |
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| zaneb | does anybody located where it is not 7am want to chair? | 12:05 |
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| zaneb | #topic roll call | 12:06 |
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| tspatzier | hi | 12:06 |
| skraynev | o/ | 12:06 |
| BillArnold | hi | 12:06 |
| tspatzier | zaneb: I am in the US this week, so also 7am for me. But I can chair one of the next meetings when I am back in Europe | 12:06 |
| zaneb | shardy and stevebaker are at the TripleO meetup, so I don't expect to see them this week | 12:07 |
| zaneb | tspatzier: ok, thanks :) | 12:07 |
| zaneb | it may be a short meeting | 12:07 |
| zaneb | I have been away pretty much since the last meeting, so I have no idea what's been happening | 12:08 |
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| zaneb | #topic Adding items to the agenda | 12:08 |
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| zaneb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282014-07-23_1200_UTC.29 | 12:08 |
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| zaneb | we have nothing so far | 12:08 |
| zaneb | ok, should be an easy one :) | 12:10 |
| zaneb | #topic Review action items from last meeting | 12:10 |
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| skraynev | yeah, just one critical problem :) which is on merging now | 12:10 |
| zaneb | zaneb create plan for issues identified in gap analysis | 12:11 |
| zaneb | this is done | 12:11 |
| shardy | Morning all | 12:11 |
| zaneb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/TechnicalCommittee/Heat_Gap_Coverage | 12:11 |
| shardy | sorry, but late | 12:11 |
| zaneb | morning shardy :) | 12:11 |
| shardy | s/but/bit | 12:11 |
| zaneb | join the club ;) | 12:11 |
| tspatzier | ah, shardy might have some short update from the tripleo meetup | 12:11 |
| skraynev | good morning shardy :) | 12:11 |
| tspatzier | hi shardy | 12:11 |
| zaneb | we don't yet have a schedule and owner for the Tempest test stuff above | 12:12 |
| shardy | Yep, and we've not yet done the release, planned for this morning so we can have a last sync on that | 12:12 |
| zaneb | ok, cool | 12:12 |
| zaneb | I'm planning to discuss with the TC what an appropriate schedule for improved testing would look like | 12:12 |
| zaneb | it's a bit of a weird one, since that is never "done" | 12:13 |
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| shardy | zaneb: stevebaker pointed out a ML thread yesterday which did confirm plans to move at least some tests into project trees | 12:13 |
| shardy | IMO we should push on that happening soon so we can improve review velocity | 12:13 |
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| zaneb | shardy: is there a time frame for that to happen? | 12:13 |
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| shardy | zaneb: not sure, that's what we need to find out | 12:14 |
| zaneb | ok | 12:14 |
| shardy | the mail was from dkranz so I'll ask him | 12:14 |
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| zaneb | #info at least some functional tests will move from Tempest into project trees. Need to confirm schedule. | 12:14 |
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| BillArnold | shardy that movement of tests to project trees would be the single best change. | 12:15 |
| shardy | BillArnold: Yup I agree, the current process isn't working at all IMO | 12:16 |
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| zaneb | #topic juno-2 milestone update | 12:16 |
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| zaneb | shardy: where are we at? | 12:17 |
| shardy | #link https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/juno-2 | 12:17 |
| shardy | zaneb: So, basically done with the exception of your attribute series | 12:17 |
| shardy | which got blocked by a new keystoneclient release breaking our tests | 12:17 |
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| shardy | I posted a fix for that last night, not sure if it merged yet | 12:18 |
| shardy | Same thing stopped therve's move to oslo.db landing | 12:18 |
| zaneb | ok, I'm relaxed if that doesn't make it | 12:18 |
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| shardy | zaneb: So unless the gate queue looks bad, I propose we get those in then cut the release | 12:18 |
| zaneb | obviously the keystone client fix *needs* to be merged :) | 12:18 |
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| shardy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/108875/1 | 12:19 |
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| shardy | Ok that's the test fix | 12:19 |
| therve | It's in progress | 12:19 |
| therve | The gate is slow for some reasons | 12:19 |
| tspatzier | hm, yeah, already hanging around for 4 hours | 12:19 |
| shardy | Hmm, yeah yesterday it was really quick :( | 12:20 |
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| shardy | zaneb, therve: what is your opinion, should we just land the client fix then tag the release? | 12:20 |
| zaneb | the gate is slow because it's milestone day ;) | 12:20 |
| shardy | then get your changes in immediately after? | 12:20 |
| shardy | zaneb: well I expected a rush yesterday but most of the day it was fine :) | 12:21 |
| therve | I don't care about the oslo.db change being in -2 | 12:21 |
| zaneb | I'm fine if my bug doesn't go in | 12:21 |
| shardy | Ok, I'll wait for the client test fix to land then ping russellb | 12:21 |
| therve | So +1 for making the release | 12:21 |
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| skraynev | agree with therve, let's do it as soon as possible :) | 12:22 |
| shardy | Ok sounds like a plan, I've bumped 1341048 to J3 again | 12:22 |
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| shardy | zaneb: since the tripleo meetup was mentioned, I have a related question, if we're done with J2 items? | 12:24 |
| zaneb | #topic TripleO meetup update | 12:24 |
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| shardy | zaneb: basically what is the status of fixing updates | 12:24 |
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| zaneb | in progress :/ | 12:25 |
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| shardy | That, from dicussions here and watching derekh try (and fail) to update a tripleo overcloud seems super high priority | 12:25 |
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| zaneb | I wanted to have it done by now, but I just got too far behind | 12:25 |
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| shardy | zaneb: I see a lot of patches have landed already, any feeling for how much more is left? | 12:26 |
| therve | What's the specific issue? | 12:26 |
| shardy | therve: Not being able to re-try a failed update | 12:26 |
| shardy | so any mistake in the template permanently wedges the stack | 12:26 |
| therve | Okay | 12:26 |
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| zaneb | shardy: I'm working on it now, but it's unlikely to be done this week | 12:27 |
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| shardy | zaneb: Cool, no worries, the question was more are we on target to complete it for Juno really | 12:27 |
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| zaneb | yeah, I am committed to getting it done for Juno | 12:29 |
| shardy | zaneb: Nice, thanks - I know it's a lot of work | 12:29 |
| zaneb | hopefully the harder part is done :) | 12:29 |
| BillArnold | zaneb this involves tighter tracking of the progress of the stack operstion? | 12:29 |
| zaneb | BillArnold: correct | 12:29 |
| zaneb | so we have the part where we maintain the template as we go | 12:30 |
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| shardy | stevebaker and I also had a discussion yesteday about moving nested stacks to creating via an RPC call to the engine, so each nested stack has a different lock and can be distributed over multiple engines | 12:30 |
| zaneb | we still need the part where we remember what properties went with that snippet, since parameters can also change | 12:30 |
| shardy | I had a look and it looks do-able but non-trivial, any thoughts on that? | 12:30 |
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| shardy | The idea would be improving scalability with the existing architecture, pre the full convergence move | 12:31 |
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| shardy | (if that's too OT for here we can take it to #heat after) | 12:31 |
| zaneb | shardy: I think that will break stuff like autoscaling, unfortunately | 12:31 |
| BillArnold | shardy is scalability for bad enough now for some important use case? | 12:31 |
| shardy | BillArnold: Basically yes, for large tripleo deployments | 12:32 |
| shardy | zaneb: Ok, I'll have to dig into it more to understand why | 12:32 |
| zaneb | shardy: unless by nested stacks you only mean AWS::CloudFormation::Stack? | 12:32 |
| shardy | zaneb: well that could be a starting point, but really I meant all nested stacks, eventually | 12:33 |
| therve | I don't think tripleo uses that anyway | 12:33 |
| zaneb | +1 for AWS::CloudFormation::Stack | 12:33 |
| shardy | therve: they are moving to a model where each chunk of functionality will live in a provider resource | 12:33 |
| shardy | So making nested stacks more scalable would be a huge win in that case | 12:34 |
| zaneb | for all nested stacks, I'm pretty sure there is a lot of code where the parent resource relies on the nested stack being loaded in memory while it is in progress | 12:34 |
| shardy | zaneb: Yeah, looking yesterday that is definitely the case, I'm not quite certain how hard it will be to decouple that atm though | 12:34 |
| shardy | probably somwhere between "hard" and "extremely hard" ;) | 12:34 |
| zaneb | yeah, I couldn't tell you off the top of my head | 12:34 |
| zaneb | that sounds like a good first guess ;) | 12:35 |
| shardy | I may spend some time looking into it anyway, unless anyone is strongly opposed to at least investigating it :) | 12:35 |
| tspatzier | would the RemoteStack resource for multi-region help in any way? | 12:35 |
| zaneb | not at all :) | 12:35 |
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| shardy | tspatzier: well stevebaker made the same point yesterday, I've not had time to find out yet | 12:36 |
| tspatzier | ok | 12:36 |
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| BillArnold | shardy remote resource would actually be local? | 12:36 |
| shardy | BillArnold: Yeah, I guess it'd be a non-remote-remote-resource ;) | 12:37 |
| tspatzier | lol | 12:37 |
| shardy | really I was looking for a more transparent solution that that | 12:37 |
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| zaneb | shardy, tspatzier: at least for the hard-to-very-hard cases I suspect we will end up needing to pass more data than we want to do through the ReST API, so using the RPC API sounds like a good option | 12:38 |
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| shardy | like make StackResource pluggable and abstract things there | 12:38 |
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| shardy | zaneb: Yeah, I think we'd definitely need to add more to the RPC API | 12:38 |
| shardy | and the ReST API would use only a subset | 12:38 |
| zaneb | +1 | 12:38 |
| shardy | Nothing more to report re TripleO really, I think update and scalability are the main priorities atm | 12:39 |
| therve | shardy, Is work around convergence starting? | 12:40 |
| zaneb | shardy: where are they at with scale atm? | 12:40 |
| BillArnold | shardy would be best if there were some more tempest tests of nested stacks, to increase the odds of catching regressions | 12:40 |
| shardy | zaneb: That is hard to quantify, really we need a benchmark test which doesn't involve having a room full of servers running tripleo | 12:40 |
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| shardy | BillArnold: Yeah I will write some before proposing any major changes to Heat | 12:41 |
| shardy | therve: That's not been discussed here much tbh, and it's only Steve and I from the heat team | 12:41 |
| therve | Okay | 12:42 |
| shardy | I guess that's the main topic of the heat meetup ;) | 12:42 |
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| therve | It'd be too late though that point | 12:42 |
| zaneb | shardy: tbh, I was surprised that they ran in to performance issues so early, even though we didn't do any premature optimisation at all | 12:42 |
| * zaneb idly wonders if eventlet is actually doing its job | 12:42 | |
| shardy | My feeling is we need to focus on getting that work started, but also more immediately landing interim improvements | 12:42 |
| shardy | e.g fix update, get stevebaker's client retry logic in, maybe rework for better scalability as previously discussed | 12:43 |
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| zaneb | I agree, we can't neglect that stuff even though we have bigger plans for the future | 12:44 |
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| shardy | 15mins, any other items to discuss? | 12:46 |
| zaneb | #topic open discussion | 12:47 |
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| zaneb | shardy: do we believe that we are using eventlet to monkey-patch socket calls? | 12:48 |
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| shardy | zaneb: Not sure tbh | 12:49 |
| shardy | heat-engine does eventlet.monkey_patch() which monkey-patches all-the-things | 12:49 |
| shardy | but the API's do os=False | 12:50 |
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| shardy | So I guess we're probably not? | 12:50 |
| zaneb | ah, there | 12:50 |
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| zaneb | I was looking for the call, but didn't spot it in bin/heat-engine | 12:51 |
| shardy | grep ftw ;) | 12:51 |
| zaneb | yeah, my grep missed it because it wasn't in a .py file | 12:51 |
| shardy | ah | 12:51 |
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| zaneb | ok, if there's nothing else we can wrap up and I can go get some breakfast :) | 12:52 |
| shardy | good plan :) | 12:53 |
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| zaneb | thanks everyone! | 12:53 |
| zaneb | #endmeeting | 12:53 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 23 12:53:25 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 12:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-07-23-12.05.html | 12:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-07-23-12.05.txt | 12:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-07-23-12.05.log.html | 12:53 |
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| Sam-I-Am | docs meeting? | 14:03 |
| Sam-I-Am | bueller? | 14:03 |
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| Sam-I-Am | nickchase: hi | 14:04 |
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| gpocentek | hey Sam-I-Am | 14:04 |
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| Sam-I-Am | hello | 14:04 |
| * annegentle waves | 14:04 | |
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| Sam-I-Am | there's our fearless leader | 14:04 |
| nickchase | Hey, Sam-I-Am, gpocentek | 14:04 |
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| annegentle | #startmeeting docteam | 14:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 23 14:04:39 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is annegentle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:04 |
| annegentle | hey! | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 14:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' | 14:04 |
| annegentle | Agenda is here: | 14:04 |
| nickchase | Hey, annegentle | 14:04 |
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| annegentle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/DocTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 14:04 |
| annegentle | Let's see, action items from last meeting. It has been a while. | 14:05 |
| Sam-I-Am | i noticed the date wasnt updated on the wiki | 14:05 |
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| annegentle | we didn't have a meeting last two weeks ago | 14:05 |
| annegentle | so we already reviewed | 14:05 |
| Sam-I-Am | ah | 14:05 |
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| annegentle | #topic Action items from last meeting | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items from last meeting (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 14:05 | |
| annegentle | #info none | 14:05 |
| annegentle | well I'll check to see if there were any in apac | 14:06 |
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| annegentle | nope nothing | 14:06 |
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| annegentle | #topic Architecture and Design Guide progress | 14:06 |
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| annegentle | #info It's Alive! The Architecture Design Guide has been merged | 14:07 |
| annegentle | #link http://docs.openstack.org/arch-design/content/ | 14:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | yay | 14:07 |
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| Sam-I-Am | still needs some docbook fixerations? | 14:07 |
| annegentle | Lots to do still, like get the glossary items integrated into common, make sure some tables came over | 14:07 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: if you see something say something | 14:07 |
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| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: it won't build unless it's docbook | 14:08 |
| annegentle | I'm working on uploading print-ready PDF to lulu.com so we can order printed copies | 14:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | well, yeah. thinking more like things that just didnt port well. | 14:08 |
| annegentle | for the curious, it is 178 pages | 14:08 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: that's what took last week | 14:08 |
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| annegentle | I'll make sure the tables are in before the lulu upload | 14:09 |
| annegentle | anything else that needs work, log a doc bug | 14:09 |
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| annegentle | #info Congrats to the writers! They worked hard and it shows. | 14:09 |
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| annegentle | I'll send 2 printed copies to the authors | 14:10 |
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| Sam-I-Am | thats a lot of writing in a week | 14:10 |
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| annegentle | I'll ask for their mailing addresses separately | 14:10 |
| Sam-I-Am | wish we could get that around the network guide | 14:10 |
| nickchase | The scary thing is that the writing was only 2 days. | 14:10 |
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| Sam-I-Am | ha, nice. | 14:10 |
| nickchase | the rest was editing and polishing. | 14:10 |
| annegentle | also thanks to nickchase for help getting it building! And for proofing the cover | 14:10 |
| nickchase | Maybe the next sprint should be on Networking, what do you think, Anne? | 14:10 |
| annegentle | I should have the cover edits back today | 14:11 |
| nickchase | YW. | 14:11 |
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| annegentle | nickchase: there's a swarm for networking | 14:11 |
| Sam-I-Am | its a 1-day thing | 14:11 |
| annegentle | nickchase: but I really really don't want another sprint this year | 14:11 |
| annegentle | nickchase: and the facilitation costs went way up (like tripled) so I don't know if we'll get funding again for a while | 14:11 |
| nickchase | wow | 14:11 |
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| nickchase | might have had something to do with Adam bringing 2 people instead of 1 | 14:11 |
| annegentle | nickchase: so yes let's not have another sprint until at least fall 2015 and even then it should be on content we already have :) | 14:11 |
| nickchase | he was training Faith. | 14:11 |
| annegentle | nickchase: well | 14:11 |
| regXboi | moo | 14:12 |
| annegentle | nickchase: yes I'm aware of that :) | 14:12 |
| nickchase | Yah know, I wonder if we could do one ourselves. | 14:12 |
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| nickchase | I mean, it's not rocket science. | 14:12 |
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| regXboi | when is the networking swarm aimed at? | 14:12 |
| nickchase | not this year, I know | 14:12 |
| nickchase | Just thinking out loud. | 14:12 |
| annegentle | nickchase: it's.... facilitation is a special talent that really needs to be an outsider, but I could be swayed otherwise | 14:12 |
| Sam-I-Am | regXboi: august, in australia | 14:13 |
| annegentle | nickchase: there is evidence that sprint books don't bring in maintainers | 14:13 |
| annegentle | nickchase: we've seen it | 14:13 |
| Sam-I-Am | docs dont bring in maintainers :/ | 14:13 |
| regXboi | Sam-I-Am: well... that's not going to be travel, but will there be a virtual swarm? | 14:13 |
| annegentle | nickchase: so I'd love to discuss further but I have pretty strong opinions on the sprints | 14:13 |
| nickchase | annegentle: I completely get that; that's why they need to be good tos tart with. | 14:13 |
| Sam-I-Am | regXboi: i dont know how thats going to work | 14:13 |
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| annegentle | nickchase: yah | 14:13 |
| annegentle | regXboi: hey you like regex? :) | 14:14 |
| nickchase | annegentle: we can talk about it another time, didn't mean to monopolize. :) | 14:14 |
| annegentle | Let's talk about the networking guide, seems like a good segue | 14:14 |
| annegentle | nickchase: sure no prob! | 14:14 |
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| regXboi | annegentle: it's an old handle from days of writing production OSS in perl :) | 14:14 |
| annegentle | fits with our next topic anyway | 14:14 |
| annegentle | #topic Review docs-specs: shared glossary and HOT template chapter in user guide | 14:14 |
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| annegentle | I'll take them one at a time but start with the networking one | 14:14 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am, phil__ (that's phil hopkins) are working on an outline | 14:15 |
| regXboi | Sam-I-Am: I'd be interested in the day/times to see if I could virtually drop in and help out.... but in US CDT, it might get tricky :( | 14:15 |
| annegentle | Lana (loquacities) is organizing the swarm | 14:15 |
| Sam-I-Am | regXboi: i'm in us/cdt too | 14:15 |
| annegentle | so, regXboi you could certainly help in some capacity | 14:15 |
| Sam-I-Am | we'll figure it out | 14:15 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: where's that outline? Did you decide whether to move it into a spec? | 14:15 |
| Sam-I-Am | regXboi: just work a swing swift | 14:15 |
| regXboi | sounds good - I've got some definite opinions on the networking specs :) | 14:15 |
| annegentle | regXboi: so these are docs-specs we're discussing now | 14:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | annegentle: i didn't decide on that yet. kind of underwater. | 14:16 |
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| regXboi | annegentle: yes - s/specs/doc-specs/ | 14:16 |
| annegentle | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/create-networking-guide | 14:16 |
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| annegentle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/NetworkingGuide/TOC | 14:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | annegentle: i like the idea of the doc spec | 14:17 |
| annegentle | That ^^ is the TOC they're working on, that can be then made into a doc spec in the docs-spec repo | 14:17 |
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| annegentle | The swarm aims to fill in some of that | 14:17 |
| annegentle | but a spec would be nice to state the problem statement and solution clearly | 14:17 |
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| regXboi | annegentle: you know, I like this - there are a bunch of neutron doc bugs that I've looked at that could concievably fit in here | 14:17 |
| annegentle | regXboi: yep, absolutely | 14:18 |
| annegentle | It'd be great to fit known doc bugs into the spec too, hm. | 14:18 |
| annegentle | Ok, let's also talk about the two in the review queue | 14:18 |
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| annegentle | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/common-glossary-setup | 14:18 |
| annegentle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104781/ | 14:19 |
| regXboi | well that's all goodness | 14:19 |
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| annegentle | I like where the common glossary one is going | 14:19 |
| regXboi | I think I'm going to +1 the git submodule idea | 14:20 |
| annegentle | Ok, the other one is the HOT template chapter in the user guide | 14:20 |
| annegentle | regXboi: Gerrit doesn't support submodules | 14:20 |
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| regXboi | yeah - that's the rub :( | 14:20 |
| annegentle | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/heat-templates | 14:20 |
| annegentle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/blueprints/heat-templates | 14:20 |
| annegentle | and | 14:20 |
| annegentle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/108133/ | 14:21 |
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| gpocentek | I'll work on your comments later today annegentle | 14:21 |
| annegentle | gpocentek: I had wondered on the review if the automation of the reference info is in the scope of this blueprint mainly... thanks a bunch for writing it up | 14:21 |
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| gpocentek | annegentle: this bp could be some kind of master bp | 14:22 |
| annegentle | also, just as a general note, the specs aren't published anywhere yet, but we want them all to go to specs.openstack.org | 14:22 |
| annegentle | that way, they're not "docs" | 14:22 |
| regXboi | annegentle: I'll do a readthrough of both gerrits today and add some comments | 14:22 |
| annegentle | regXboi: thanks! | 14:23 |
| annegentle | gpocentek: I really like how you're thinking about and planning for advanced topics, they're really needed | 14:23 |
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| annegentle | I haven't had any further movement on the redesign or python client docs | 14:24 |
| annegentle | so that's it for blueprints we know we're doing, any questions? | 14:24 |
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| annegentle | know we're doing specs for | 14:24 |
| annegentle | I mean | 14:24 |
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| annegentle | there's plenty approved without assignees | 14:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | need more warm bodies :) | 14:24 |
| annegentle | oh and please do review Ildiko's latest work on adding ceilometer/Telemetry to the admin guide | 14:24 |
| regXboi | annegentle: were you going to take a spin at fit known doc bugs into the net guide spec? | 14:25 |
| Sam-I-Am | always a problem with docs | 14:25 |
| gpocentek | annegentle: should we start migrating all the approved LS blueprints? | 14:25 |
| gpocentek | s/LS/LP/ | 14:25 |
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| annegentle | regXboi: do you have time to? You sound like you know them well :) | 14:25 |
| regXboi | annegentle: I was taking the action :) | 14:25 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: we had 195 contributors last time, I don't want to hear negativity when we're growing based on the data, please | 14:25 |
| annegentle | regXboi: sweet! | 14:25 |
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| annegentle | #action regXboi to add list of existing neutron doc bugs to the blueprint wiki page | 14:26 |
| annegentle | Ok, the next topic is a public service announcement :) | 14:26 |
| annegentle | #topic Summit proposals due 7/28/14 | 14:26 |
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| annegentle | These are the proposals for the business side of the summit, not for the doc track itself | 14:26 |
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| annegentle | I'm thinking about data mining support cases around app devs | 14:27 |
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| annegentle | and slicing it with docs GA data | 14:27 |
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| annegentle | I know the Arch Design team is proposing a talk | 14:27 |
| annegentle | anyone else with ideas? | 14:27 |
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| regXboi | annegentle: I'd think the data mining sprinkled with real case issues should work | 14:28 |
| nickchase | I still haven't implemented the "template" talk decisions from Atlanta. | 14:28 |
| annegentle | regXboi: yeah | 14:28 |
| regXboi | I've come to the docs side based on the delta between docs and the SC :) | 14:28 |
| annegentle | nickchase: oo remind me | 14:28 |
| annegentle | nickchase: oh right the template for commit messages? | 14:29 |
| annegentle | regXboi: nice! | 14:29 |
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| nickchase | annegentle: yes | 14:29 |
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| nickchase | Need to get with you to figure out exactly what I need to do, as in what format file and who to send it to | 14:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | speaking of not-done-things, i'm still trying to get the review guide up. | 14:30 |
| annegentle | nickchase: yeah I think it's in the -infra area | 14:30 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: awesome, I heard Andreas had a start at the revising style guide? But not sure. Need to follow up. | 14:31 |
| Sam-I-Am | annegentle: it was a dependency of re-organizing the conventions/style guide... so thats why i think it kind of went forgotten. but its very important. | 14:31 |
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| nickchase | annegentle: I figured. I'll get with you offline and we'll push it forward | 14:32 |
| regXboi | so, a process question comes to mind... does the doc team have links to cores in the various projects? | 14:32 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: yeah and it's possible Andreas has a start at the dependency, let's check wtih him | 14:32 |
| annegentle | too bad he's not here | 14:32 |
| annegentle | regXboi: yes, let me find a link | 14:32 |
| annegentle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/ProjectDocLeads | 14:32 |
| annegentle | regXboi: so if you get stuck, ask any one of those listed | 14:33 |
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| regXboi | annegentle: thanks - I'm thinking ahead in cases where a doc bug actually involves changing project code | 14:33 |
| annegentle | regXboi: Edgar Magana especially for networking | 14:33 |
| annegentle | regXboi: yep, precisely | 14:33 |
| regXboi | Edgar and I have already been consulting :) | 14:33 |
| annegentle | regXboi: good! | 14:33 |
| annegentle | Edgar is coming to the ops meetup and we were gonna talk docs there, are you coming to that? | 14:34 |
| regXboi | I don't know if folks have seen this: | 14:34 |
| regXboi | annegentle: no travel budget here :( | 14:34 |
| annegentle | regXboi: ah ok | 14:34 |
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| regXboi | I can only drop in virtually | 14:34 |
| regXboi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings#Docs_.28emagana.29 | 14:34 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: are you coming to the ops meetup? | 14:34 |
| annegentle | regXboi: NICE. | 14:34 |
| regXboi | I put in a bunch of initial comments on neutron doc bugs as part of the neutron mid-cycle sprint | 14:35 |
| annegentle | does anyone think we need a docs proposal for the summit? I think loquacities is working on one. | 14:35 |
| Sam-I-Am | annegentle: i thought so | 14:35 |
| annegentle | regXboi: cool, I edited the etherpad with deeper links | 14:35 |
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| nickchase | I think we always need a docs proposal, just to remind people we exist | 14:35 |
| nickchase | But honestly, nothing's coming to me. | 14:35 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: ok cool, we'll definitely work with Edgar there | 14:36 |
| regXboi | do we have a troubleshooting guide? | 14:36 |
| annegentle | nickchase: okay good to know. I'd hate to have a bunch when we could get one approved, ya know? | 14:36 |
| regXboi | that's the obvious thing to ask for an ops summit :) | 14:36 |
| annegentle | regXboi: no, troubleshooting chapters | 14:36 |
| regXboi | ok... *should* we have a troubleshooting guide ;) | 14:36 |
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| annegentle | regXboi: you'll find I get a lot of requests for new "books" and usually tell people to write chapters, BUT, after networking guide troubleshooting guide COULD be a candidate. | 14:37 |
| regXboi | annegentle: understood - my thought is that if I'm going to do a proposal for an ops session, it should be ops related | 14:37 |
| regXboi | and troubleshooting is the obvious candidate | 14:37 |
| regXboi | especially as I think (if done well) it goes way beyond a chapter | 14:37 |
| annegentle | regXboi: oh I see, yeah, have you added it to the ops meetup etherpad? | 14:38 |
| regXboi | annegentle: no - just thinking out loud here | 14:38 |
| annegentle | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/SAT-ops-meetup | 14:38 |
| annegentle | great idea | 14:38 |
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| regXboi | somebody is beating me to it :) | 14:38 |
| annegentle | heh | 14:39 |
| annegentle | "Would a troubleshooting guide be a good "next" deliverable after ML2 is properly documented?" | 14:39 |
| regXboi | works for me | 14:39 |
| annegentle | because honestly ml2 isn't properly documented :) | 14:39 |
| annegentle | ok | 14:39 |
| regXboi | um: I'd argue neutron isn't properly documented :) | 14:39 |
| annegentle | #topic Doc tools updates | 14:39 |
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| annegentle | regXboi: yes I just put things into buckets :) | 14:39 |
| regXboi | +1 | 14:39 |
| annegentle | I don't have a lot to report on doc tools, just keep an eye on the mailing list about the training guide xi:includes | 14:40 |
| annegentle | any training teammates here? | 14:40 |
| nickchase | maybe that's the big thing: we need to get some help for Sam-I-Am and Phil | 14:40 |
| regXboi | annegentle: is there any complaints if (as a newbie) I take a pass through the doc tools wiki and make it more clear? | 14:40 |
| annegentle | regXboi: I'd be fine with that, which page? | 14:40 |
| regXboi | annegentle: I was going to start at the beginning and ... | 14:41 |
| regXboi | i.e. walk through the set up steps and make notes where things do and don't work | 14:41 |
| annegentle | regXboi: sure | 14:41 |
| Sam-I-Am | regXboi: do i know you from anywhere? | 14:42 |
| regXboi | Sam-I-Am: not sure :) - I'm a complete ludite when it comes to thinks like linked in, etc. :) | 14:42 |
| regXboi | but I do have an RFC or three to my name | 14:42 |
| annegentle | regXboi: ever get to the summits? | 14:42 |
| annegentle | Oh I'll just open it up | 14:42 |
| annegentle | #topic Open discussion | 14:43 |
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| Sam-I-Am | regXboi: not new to neutron, but new to docs | 14:43 |
| Sam-I-Am | ? | 14:43 |
| regXboi | annegentle: not to date - may be in Paris - it depends on presentation proposals, etc. | 14:43 |
| regXboi | Sam-I-Am: (a) sorta (b) not really | 14:43 |
| * regXboi has about 25 years in networking and has worn *many* hats in that time :) | 14:43 | |
| Sam-I-Am | cool. most people who work on openstack don't have much networking background. | 14:44 |
| annegentle | nice | 14:44 |
| Sam-I-Am | more networking docs people = yay | 14:44 |
| annegentle | thanks regXboi! (love the handle still, hahaha) | 14:44 |
| annegentle | I still need a better casual friday nick | 14:44 |
| regXboi | yes - I came here because the existing neutron docs don't quite cover what RTSC tells you :) | 14:44 |
| Sam-I-Am | regXboi: we should chat a bit in #openstack-doc | 14:45 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i'll introduce you to phil | 14:45 |
| annegentle | RTSC = read the source code? | 14:45 |
| regXboi | Sam-I-Am: I'll add it to my channels I drop in on | 14:45 |
| regXboi | annegentle: yes | 14:45 |
| annegentle | ok, I'm such a good acronym translator :) | 14:45 |
| Sam-I-Am | regXboi: also #openstack is good if you like helping people. lots of networking problems. | 14:45 |
| annegentle | alrightly let's get back 15 mins and move it over to #openstack-doc | 14:46 |
| annegentle | #endmeeting | 14:46 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:46 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 23 14:46:05 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:46 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2014/docteam.2014-07-23-14.04.html | 14:46 |
| nickchase | regXboi: that's because many of the docs people aren't also the coders. :) | 14:46 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2014/docteam.2014-07-23-14.04.txt | 14:46 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2014/docteam.2014-07-23-14.04.log.html | 14:46 |
| regXboi | Sam-I-Am: yeah I stay away from #openstack :) | 14:46 |
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| regXboi | nickchase: +1 | 14:46 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #startmeeting XenAPI | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 23 15:00:34 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'xenapi' | 15:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: hows things? | 15:00 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #topic CI | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CI (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 15:00 | |
| BobBall | Could be better | 15:00 |
| BobBall | Failure rate has skyrocketed | 15:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I got reports of some bad CI results | 15:01 |
| BobBall | 1 in 3 patches fail at the moment | 15:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, interesting | 15:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | that explains things | 15:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | do we know why? | 15:01 |
| BobBall | Just general races | 15:01 |
| BobBall | some may be in xenapi driver | 15:01 |
| BobBall | others are definitely generic races | 15:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | hmm, you got some examples? | 15:01 |
| BobBall | no | 15:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | seems like something changed though | 15:01 |
| BobBall | oh yes - I enabled the majority of tests | 15:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah… cool | 15:02 |
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| johnthetubaguy | that makes total sense thn | 15:02 |
| BobBall | the last couple of days I've just disabled a few of the bigger culprits again | 15:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | then | 15:02 |
| BobBall | to get the pass rate back to sensible | 15:02 |
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| johnthetubaguy | where is the exclusion list again? | 15:02 |
| BobBall | but it shows there are real races that we are hitting more than jenkins; whether they are generic or in xenapi is a different question | 15:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, that is good to know | 15:03 |
| BobBall | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/stackforge/xenapi-os-testing/tree/tempest_exclusion_list | 15:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | tempest.scenario.test_minimum_basic.TestMinimumBasicScenario.test_minimum_basic_scenario? | 15:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | that feels like a bad one to skip... | 15:03 |
| BobBall | That depended on my devstack change which was merged the other day | 15:04 |
| BobBall | but until the pass rate is higher I don't want to enable it | 15:04 |
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| BobBall | it's been skipped since the CI was set up | 15:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, the ciros thing? | 15:04 |
| BobBall | indeed | 15:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | currious are we hitting issues because of the cirros image? | 15:04 |
| BobBall | no because those 3 tests are still disabled | 15:05 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so the others are still hard coded to use the other image? | 15:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | I guess your tempest config does that | 15:05 |
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| BobBall | huh? | 15:05 |
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| johnthetubaguy | well how do you pick which image, before there was only one image, so we knew which it was picking | 15:06 |
| BobBall | we always use VHD | 15:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I was more asking how? is that just tempest configuration? | 15:06 |
| BobBall | but there were three tempest tests (including test_minimum_basic_scenario) that are hard-coded to use qcow2 and fall back on euc | 15:06 |
| BobBall | ah yes - guess so - can't remember where now | 15:06 |
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| johnthetubaguy | just wondering if we should double check it doesn't just pick the "first image" thats all | 15:07 |
| BobBall | it doesn't | 15:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | because devstack will mean it uploads both images right | 15:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah OK | 15:07 |
| BobBall | yes | 15:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | just trying to rule things out | 15:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | so chances of elasticrecheck getting deployed are tiny I supose? | 15:08 |
| BobBall | infinitesimly :D | 15:08 |
| BobBall | we're looking at getting some time to move to the upstream CI | 15:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | right, I should try get some help on that front, if we get some effort there | 15:08 |
| BobBall | at which point integrating E-R is much more practical | 15:08 |
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| johnthetubaguy | well its for "free" I suspect | 15:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, sort of | 15:09 |
| BobBall | nothing is free :) | 15:09 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so how do I help with moving the tests upstream discussions? | 15:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | were are they happening? infra meetings? | 15:09 |
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| BobBall | at the moment those discussions aren't happening | 15:10 |
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| johnthetubaguy | OK | 15:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am sure we want to help with that, and have open reqs for people to help, so fingers crossed there | 15:11 |
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| BobBall | I'm trying to get an intern to make some real progress on that too :) | 15:11 |
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| BobBall | anyway - enabling the majority of the tests has increased the average test length from just over an hour to 1.5 ish | 15:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, cool, that should plug a gap till we can hire someone | 15:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah yes, interesting | 15:12 |
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| johnthetubaguy | time for another round of optimisations | 15:12 |
| BobBall | I've also added some useful code to see what the recent failures were | 15:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK sounds good | 15:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | feel like I should try and get someone to looking into these failures | 15:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | your status page is probably the best place to start I guess? | 15:14 |
| BobBall | yes | 15:14 |
| BobBall | have a look at... | 15:15 |
| BobBall | http://f0ab4dc4366795c303a0-8fd069087bab3f263c7f9ddd524fce42.r22.cf1.rackcdn.com/ci_status/all_failures.txt | 15:15 |
| BobBall | at the bottom | 15:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | interesting, tests relating to notifications | 15:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | thanks for those | 15:16 |
| BobBall | that's a generic failure | 15:17 |
| BobBall | a timeout waiting for it | 15:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, maybe we never raised it | 15:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, fun fun | 15:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | and no tempest failures detected, that is things other than the mirrors issue? | 15:17 |
| BobBall | it's raised - been seen in the gate | 15:17 |
| BobBall | yes | 15:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | can you remember examples? or it is just general stuff we see in the gate? | 15:18 |
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| BobBall | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/1336755 | 15:18 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1336755 in ceilometer "telemetry_notification_api.py test times out waiting for Nova notification" [Critical,Triaged] | 15:18 |
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| johnthetubaguy | right, interesting | 15:19 |
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| johnthetubaguy | OK, thanks for the update | 15:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | any more on this you want to cover? | 15:19 |
| BobBall | no | 15:19 |
| BobBall | just I don't have the bandwidth ATM to debug all of these issues | 15:20 |
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| BobBall | so to get the rate back up I'm disabling tests :) | 15:20 |
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| johnthetubaguy | OK, how do we get to fixing those though? | 15:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | I do wonder about running two systems, one of them running all the tests | 15:21 |
| BobBall | perhaps | 15:21 |
| BobBall | but I'd rather see a stress on one specific test | 15:21 |
| BobBall | getting parallel runs of the same test over and over | 15:21 |
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| BobBall | but I've not worked out how to do that | 15:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh, thats a good idea | 15:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | so, one more thought on this | 15:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | are there any in this list that we expect would never work: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/stackforge/xenapi-os-testing/tree/tempest_exclusion_list | 15:23 |
| BobBall | no | 15:23 |
| BobBall | they should all work now | 15:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | even the encypted volumes stuff? | 15:23 |
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| BobBall | yes | 15:24 |
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| johnthetubaguy | Ok, I will not ask how | 15:24 |
| BobBall | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/107430/ | 15:24 |
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| BobBall | dd6b71949550285df7dc-dda4e480e005aaa13ec303551d2d8155.r49.cf1.rackcdn.com/30/107430/1/17493/testr_results.html.gz | 15:25 |
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| BobBall | That's an example of all of the tests that we've had passing | 15:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | nice | 15:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | thats awesome | 15:25 |
| BobBall | Oh - sorry - test_encrypted_cinder_volumes is one of the three that depends on euc | 15:25 |
| BobBall | so I've not tested it since enabling the euc image | 15:25 |
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| johnthetubaguy | hmm, OK | 15:27 |
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| johnthetubaguy | anyways, cool progress here | 15:27 |
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| BobBall | backward progress in terms of the pass rate | 15:27 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sounds nuts, but its nice to see these failures, its kinda some of what I wanted to see | 15:27 |
| BobBall | I should have tried more than 3 runes | 15:27 |
| BobBall | runs* | 15:27 |
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| johnthetubaguy | hey ho | 15:27 |
| BobBall | over the last 24 hours the most failed test is already excluded: | 15:28 |
| BobBall | 7 tempest.thirdparty.boto.test_s3_ec2_images.S3ImagesTest.test_register_get_deregister_ami_image | 15:28 |
| BobBall | 12 tempest.thirdparty.boto.test_s3_ec2_images.S3ImagesTest.test_register_get_deregister_aki_image | 15:28 |
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| BobBall | 18 tempest.thirdparty.boto.test_s3_ec2_images.S3ImagesTest | 15:28 |
| BobBall | 24 No tempest failures detected | 15:28 |
| BobBall | (that was from 'osci-view failures --recent 24') | 15:28 |
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| johnthetubaguy | right | 15:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | top work, lets try get some help deciphering some of the errors we are seeing | 15:29 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #help need to debug some of the errors in the XenServer CI | 15:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Open Discussion | 15:29 |
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| johnthetubaguy | cool, so any other things people want to raise? | 15:30 |
| BobBall | not today | 15:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK cool | 15:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | thanks for the updates | 15:30 |
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| johnthetubaguy | catch you next … oh wait | 15:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | next week we are at the mid-cylce, so maybe skip next week? | 15:30 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #info no XenAPI meeting next week, resuming the week after | 15:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | #endmeeting | 15:31 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 23 15:31:45 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-07-23-15.00.html | 15:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-07-23-15.00.txt | 15:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-07-23-15.00.log.html | 15:31 |
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| DuncanT- | #startmeeting cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 23 16:00:59 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is DuncanT-. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:01 |
| DuncanT- | Who's about? | 16:01 |
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| eharney | hi | 16:01 |
| bruff | hi | 16:01 |
| xyang1 | hi | 16:01 |
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| winston-d_ | hi | 16:01 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:01 |
| glenng | Hey | 16:01 |
| jungleboyj | \o | 16:01 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:01 |
| jungleboyj | \o/ | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | o/ | 16:01 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | hello | 16:01 |
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| DuncanT- | Agenda at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderMeetings - I've hijacked it and put a first item in at JGriffith's request | 16:01 |
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| flip214 | DuncanT-: is that to be read as "everything that has a bp may go on"? | 16:02 |
| DuncanT- | #topic J-2 | 16:02 |
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| thingee | o/ | 16:02 |
| kmartin | hello | 16:02 |
| Swanson | hi | 16:02 |
| beecee | hi | 16:02 |
| stevetan | hi | 16:02 |
| DuncanT- | flip214: Every driver taht has a blueprint may go in, though any individual driver might get blocked for other reasons | 16:03 |
| DuncanT- | flip214: Volume driver | 16:03 |
| DuncanT- | Anybody feel that is unreasonable? | 16:03 |
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| kmartin | new drivers that is? | 16:03 |
| DuncanT- | Any driver that doesn't currently have a BP up will get bumped | 16:04 |
| DuncanT- | kmartin: Yes, new drivers | 16:04 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | if the code is not submited for Juno will a driver make it? | 16:04 |
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| thingee | Arkady_Kanevsky: well if we don't see code for Juno, no ;) | 16:04 |
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| stevetan | +1 | 16:04 |
| tbarron | hi | 16:04 |
| DuncanT- | Arkady_Kanevsky: If you've got a blueprint up, then you aren't automatically blocked | 16:04 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I think only the drivers that are udner review should move forward, the rest is retargeted to K-release | 16:05 |
| e0ne | DuncanT-, make sense for Juno release | 16:05 |
| asselin | hi | 16:05 |
| DuncanT- | Arkady_Kanevsky: However, if you don't get code up real soon then you're likely to not get merged due to time constraints | 16:05 |
| kmartin | DuncanT-: +1 | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT-: Yeah, we are quickly running out of runway. | 16:05 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | I saw that Dell CMPL blueprint was obsolited today, that I why I asked. | 16:06 |
| DuncanT- | #agreed Any driver that doesn't have a review (BP or code) currently up will be punted to Kilo | 16:06 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | I am trying to see if we can make it into Juno if we submit somethign by next week. | 16:06 |
| DuncanT- | Arkady_Kanevsky: I've not noticed that one specifically.... link? | 16:06 |
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| stevetan | i would like to have a discussion on our SDS driver which blocked. should we discuss now or later in the agenda | 16:06 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/dell-storage-center-block-storage-driver | 16:07 |
| DuncanT- | stevetan: Add it to the end of the agenda please? | 16:07 |
| navneet | DuncanT-: what about driver modifications? will that be allowed? | 16:07 |
| navneet | if its not already up there | 16:07 |
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| stevetan | DucanT- it is in the agenda under ProphetStor Cinder drivers | 16:07 |
| DuncanT- | navneet: Yes, they are not automatically blocked | 16:07 |
| jungleboyj | What is the stance on things like volume drivers implementing new features, I.E. adding the code for replication ? | 16:07 |
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| DuncanT- | Arkady_Kanevsky: I'd say that was in on time and so can submit code | 16:08 |
| navneet | DuncanT-: gr8... | 16:08 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | thanks | 16:08 |
| DuncanT- | jungleboyj: That is still fine, at least until J-3 I think | 16:08 |
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| hemna | morning | 16:08 |
| DuncanT- | jungleboyj: Though sooner is always better so that reviews have time | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT-: Ok, that was what I was communicating. | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | Right. | 16:08 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | is there a pointer to Driver Specs which is next on agend? | 16:09 |
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| DuncanT- | Arkady_Kanevsky: That's a general point, not a specific one | 16:09 |
| DuncanT- | Right, moving on | 16:09 |
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| DuncanT- | #topic review priorities | 16:09 |
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| avishay | sorry i'm late | 16:09 |
| hemna | another thing I've noticed on new driver reviews is that they submitted the certification results in the 1st patch, but 12 patch sets later, they haven't updated the cert results. | 16:10 |
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| winston-d | avishay: hi | 16:10 |
| hemna | I've been asking driver writers to make sure they submit new cert results on every patch set | 16:10 |
| DuncanT- | Any driver specs that aren't yet approved, can people (particularly cores) focus on | 16:10 |
| hemna | ok | 16:10 |
| DuncanT- | hemna: I've been asking for CI :-) | 16:10 |
| xyang1 | DuncanT-: what exactly is the requirement for CI? | 16:10 |
| hemna | yah CI is ideal | 16:11 |
| xyang1 | DuncanT-: I thought it is by J-2 | 16:11 |
| stevetan | how about adding to DriverLog? when should that happen? | 16:11 |
| winston-d | DuncanT-: I found myself can only +1 for specs, is that expected? | 16:11 |
| kmartin | xyang1: that's not on the agenda and could very well take up the entire meeting | 16:11 |
| DuncanT- | xyang1: We said at the conference it was J-2, but we'd have one driver if we went with that | 16:11 |
| hemna | getting CI in place is really freaking hard for new driver submitters. It's really freaking hard for us! | 16:11 |
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| DuncanT- | xyang1: I've been emailing everybody for updates, I'm going to start being rude during / after the mid-cycle meetup | 16:12 |
| xyang1 | DuncanT-: :) At least the one driver that has it should get more reviews, I hope? | 16:12 |
| DuncanT- | xyang1: It is my top priority after CGs to review | 16:12 |
| xyang1 | DuncanT-: thanks! | 16:13 |
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| DuncanT- | Winston's pool scheduler patch seems really close, and like the CG patch it needs driver updates to be useful, so can we focus on those this week please? | 16:13 |
| jungleboyj | xyang1: I am have the CGs up to look at today as well. | 16:13 |
| xyang1 | jungleboy: thanks! | 16:13 |
| navneet | DuncanT-: xyang1 : Is it mandatory for every driver to implement CG in juno? | 16:13 |
| xyang1 | navneet: no | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT-: We also should get focus on the replication patch for the same reason. | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | ronenkat: You are welcome. ;-) | 16:14 |
| navneet | xyang1: ok | 16:14 |
| xyang1 | navneet: it is an advanced feature, not a requirement | 16:14 |
| DuncanT- | They are both likely to be pushed through soon, so if you don't like anything then you're coming to the end of your opportunities to give feedback | 16:14 |
| hemna | any news about the pool scheduler support ? | 16:14 |
| DuncanT- | navneet: It is optional | 16:14 |
| navneet | xyang1: makes sense | 16:14 |
| xyang1 | navneet: it does change lots of common code though | 16:14 |
| ronenkat | jungleboyj: hello | 16:14 |
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| navneet | xyang1: oh yeah ...I understand | 16:14 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | For CG do we have a pointer on the call that drivers should support for it (for juno or later)? | 16:15 |
| DuncanT- | hemna: pool scheduler is very close I think.... asking for people to prioritise review and testing of it | 16:15 |
| hemna | DuncanT-, ok. we'll have to modify our drivers to make use of it to test | 16:15 |
| navneet | winston-d: DuncanT- : same question....how far are we on pools | 16:15 |
| xyang1 | Arkady_Kanevsky: it is not required feature | 16:15 |
| navneet | winston-d: when can we get it merged | 16:15 |
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| DuncanT- | winston-d: Are you aware of anything blocking pool scheduler merge? | 16:16 |
| hemna | xyang1, I would hope that CG wouldn't require drivers to make external calls ? | 16:16 |
| avishay | DuncanT-: winston-d: there were two versions of the pool scheduler thing - winston-d's is the one we're going with? | 16:16 |
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| xyang1 | hemna: what do you mean? | 16:16 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | understand, but you would like to support SG what is the interface for drivers? | 16:16 |
| navneet | avishay: yes | 16:16 |
| avishay | navneet: ok, didn't know what to review | 16:16 |
| xyang1 | hemna: CG is not a required driver feature | 16:16 |
| hemna | correct | 16:16 |
| winston-d | DuncanT-: nope, it just need more eyes and tests. My tests when well, but I don't have a real backend that supports pool to test it. | 16:16 |
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| DuncanT- | avishay: Yes, the vote is strongly selecting winston-d approach | 16:17 |
| navneet | winston-d: did u not test it with lvm? | 16:17 |
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| hemna | winston-d, we'll try and update the hp drivers soon to get the pools supported. Do we have samples of what the get_volume_stats needs to return? | 16:17 |
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| avishay | DuncanT-: my vote as well, cool | 16:17 |
| DuncanT- | winston-d: Can we get an LVM driver supporting pools? | 16:17 |
| winston-d | So please, review the change https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98715/ | 16:17 |
| xyang1 | Arkady_Kanevsky: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104732/ take a look of changes in lvm.py | 16:17 |
| hemna | winston-d, ok it looks well documented in the review :) | 16:18 |
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| winston-d | DuncanT-: I've updated lvm driver a little bit to report a defalut pool | 16:18 |
| DuncanT- | I think we need to put some work into documenting how replication, CGs and pools work once we've merged the code | 16:18 |
| hemna | DuncanT-, +1 | 16:18 |
| navneet | DuncanT-: +1 for docs | 16:18 |
| winston-d | DuncanT-: but that's all I have for lvm driver. | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT-: +1 | 16:19 |
| DuncanT- | I'll collect some volenteers for docs work in the near future | 16:19 |
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| xyang1 | we need to coordinate the merge too. we are changing the same files | 16:19 |
| navneet | winston-d: you need t atleast verify pols work for lvm....its the minimum | 16:19 |
| ronenkat | DuncanT-: I planned to do a proper docu for replication - would make sense | 16:19 |
| DuncanT- | Can somebody add the links to the three reviews (pools, CGs, replication) to the agenda please? | 16:19 |
| hemna | navneet, his pools patch has changes for lvm in it. | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | ronenkat: +2 | 16:20 |
| winston-d | I am happy to document pool scheduling, and happy to review any pool related driver change. | 16:20 |
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| flip214 | what I'd like to see is some doc about expected *return* values from the methods - what parts the dicts should have. | 16:20 |
| ronenkat | DuncanT-: replication patch is on the agenda | 16:20 |
| navneet | hemna: ya...just asking if he also QAed it | 16:20 |
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| DuncanT- | Ok, anybody got anything else they think should be a review priority? | 16:20 |
| flip214 | the input is easily seen by doing a debug dump of them - but figuring out what should be returned is a major piece of work sometimes. | 16:20 |
| winston-d | navneet: yes, it works. it's just a report status change. | 16:20 |
| navneet | winston-d: cool | 16:21 |
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| DuncanT- | flip214: If you start a wiki page hinting at what docs you feel are needed, I'll get people to fill it in... might be the easiest way to make a start | 16:21 |
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| winston-d | DuncanT-: I think this might get some attention as well: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/101412/27 | 16:21 |
| winston-d | Use pbr entry_points to setup the cinder scripts | 16:22 |
| flip214 | DuncanT-: somewhere below https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Cinder ? | 16:22 |
| winston-d | I am working on it | 16:22 |
| flip214 | thanks a lot for the offer!! | 16:22 |
| DuncanT- | flip214: yEAH. wE CAN CLEAN IT UP LATER ONCE WE'VE COLLECTED THE INFO | 16:22 |
| DuncanT- | Ooops | 16:22 |
| DuncanT- | Capslock fail | 16:22 |
| avishay | stop yelling :( | 16:23 |
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| winston-d | avishay: :) | 16:23 |
| DuncanT- | winston-d: That pbr one has been on my list for a while... not had chance to test it, and it is the sort of change that isn't tested by the gate | 16:23 |
| DuncanT- | Right, I think we can move ob | 16:23 |
| DuncanT- | on | 16:23 |
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| DuncanT- | #topic 3rd party CI | 16:24 |
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| xyang1 | DuncanT-: this one needs reviews too: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105923/. | 16:24 |
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| DuncanT- | xyang1: Fair point. That one will affect all drivers eventually so poeple should definitely look and ask questions if it makes no sense | 16:24 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | We are working on setting CI for EQL driver. bumping into expected firewall issues for ports | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | xyang1: +1 | 16:25 |
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| jungleboyj | DuncanT-: All I wanted to say was that I had attended this week's 3rd Party Status meeting. | 16:25 |
| winston-d | xyang1: yup, thx for bringing it to the table | 16:25 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 ofre connecttor | 16:25 |
| DuncanT- | Right, I've been emailing people over 3rd party CI, and collecting a table of results. 'We're working on it' is the most common reply. I intend to start being more insistent by the time the mid-cycle meet rolls around next month | 16:25 |
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| jungleboyj | DuncanT-: Gave a quick update on where we are, as I had seen it. | 16:25 |
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| asselin | We're making progress. Got stuck on zuul not able to get data from cinder project even though it works for the sandbox. | 16:26 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT-: Right. They would like us to attend the weekly meeting and keep them updated on where that status is really at. | 16:26 |
| DuncanT- | jungleboyj: Any feedback from them? | 16:26 |
| jungleboyj | Strongly encouraged anyone involved with CI from the vendors to try to attend the meetings. | 16:26 |
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| DuncanT- | jungleboyj: I'll see if I can make it, and I'll share the tracking spreadsheet with you | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | Mondays, 1pm Central Time, 18 or 19:00 UTC. | 16:27 |
| beecee | DuncanT-: are you collecting what CI tools 3rd party people are using? | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT-: If you can't make it I can take the info forward. | 16:27 |
| beecee | DuncanT-: ( I'm in there with the 'fragile little flower' line if it helps ;) ) | 16:27 |
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| jungleboyj | DuncanT-: They were fine with our plan as far as how to enforce the 3rd Party CI, but wanted to make sure we were communicating everything well. | 16:27 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj, thanks! i'll be on the next 3rd party meeting | 16:27 |
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| DuncanT- | I've missing contacts for at least the following drivers: Coraid, Nexenta, Scality, VMWare and Solaris(ZFS) | 16:28 |
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| xyang1 | DuncanT-: our VNX driver has end-to-end CI up and running. Other drivers VMAX, ViPR, XIO still have one or two test failures (i.e., timeout) from time to time. I have asked them to do end-to-end CI as well. | 16:28 |
| kmartin | asselin: can you make the meeting jungleboyj referenced? | 16:28 |
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| DuncanT- | beecee: I've not been collecting that so far | 16:28 |
| asselin | kmartin, yes, I've been attending the past few weeks. | 16:28 |
| jungleboyj | asselin: You would be good to have there. | 16:28 |
| jungleboyj | asselin: +2 | 16:28 |
| asselin | jungleboyj, was on vacation monday, so missed this week. | 16:29 |
| jungleboyj | asselin: Gotcha. | 16:29 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | need to drop | 16:29 |
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| xyang1 | DuncanT-: VMAX and XIO CI works with sandbox, but haven't tried with Cinder yet | 16:29 |
| jungleboyj | IBM has made good progress. Most of the drivers are close to being tied into gerrit and being able to post results. | 16:30 |
| DuncanT- | There seems to be a common problem that devstack fails in none-cinder places. I'm wondering if somebody involved in building CI wants of correlate those failures and pass them on to the infra team? | 16:30 |
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| jungleboyj | One exception is GPFS as we are having issues getting the CI scripts running on RHEL which is required for GPFS. | 16:30 |
| DuncanT- | Has anybody got the email address for the following maintainers? Coraid, Nexenta, Scality, VMWare and Solaris(ZFS) | 16:30 |
| navneet | DuncanT-: VMWare contacts I know | 16:31 |
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| navneet | but not sure if they handle CI | 16:31 |
| DuncanT- | navneet: Can you pass them on please? I'll start pinging them | 16:31 |
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| navneet | DuncanT-: sure | 16:31 |
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| DuncanT- | Right, I'll be chasing people over CI. If you are working on it and haven't had an email on the subject from me, please let me know | 16:33 |
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| DuncanT- | Next up, stevetan | 16:33 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT-: No update from Dell, still working on it. | 16:33 |
| stevetan | yea, we have 2 drivers pending | 16:34 |
| DuncanT- | smcginnis: Can you PM me your email address please? I don't have it on my list | 16:34 |
| asselin | DuncanT-, I haven't gotten an e-mail from you | 16:34 |
| DuncanT- | #topic prophetstore | 16:34 |
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| stevetan | wanna get feedback on this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/95829/ | 16:34 |
| e0ne | DuncanT-, i'm working for CI with ceph, no e-mails from you | 16:34 |
| stevetan | this is our first time, so please pardon our ignorance some process | 16:34 |
| DuncanT- | e0ne: Can you pm me your email address too please? | 16:34 |
| e0ne | DuncanT-: sure | 16:35 |
| eharney | we are also working on CI for Ceph | 16:35 |
| stevetan | so what else do we have to do to get this into J-2? | 16:35 |
| stevetan | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/95829/ | 16:35 |
| xyang1 | stevetan: do you have CI | 16:35 |
| stevetan | xyang1: is this what you are refering to? http://download.prophetstor.com/cinder-cert-results/tmp.FLf8UoGtEp | 16:36 |
| e0ne | eharney: you're the ceph drivers :) | 16:37 |
| xyang1 | stevetan: that is cert test. CI is more than that | 16:37 |
| thingee | stevetan: a ci is continuous integration. One cert test is the initial start of submitting a driver | 16:37 |
| asselin | xyang1, thingee I thought ci was not needed for new drivers? | 16:37 |
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| stevetan | yes, i believe my guy said he did CI. can u tell from the review? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/95829/ | 16:38 |
| thingee | stevetan: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Cinder/certified-drivers | 16:38 |
| xyang1 | asselin: is it? I was told to do it | 16:38 |
| thingee | asselin: that wiki doc still says otherwise. | 16:38 |
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| jungleboyj | xyang1: There was back and forth whether you were a new shop coming in versus the big iron companies. | 16:39 |
| kmartin | stevetan: It would be good to respond to the inline comments from the reviewers, reply Done or answer there question inline. | 16:39 |
| jungleboyj | kmartin: Good advice. | 16:39 |
| asselin | jungleboyj, yes, that's what I understood. new drivers from new vendors just need cert tests | 16:39 |
| stevetan | but there is no more after the last | 16:39 |
| DuncanT- | CI is needed for all new drivers... any driver (old or new) with no CI and no good excuse is like to get pulled from the release | 16:39 |
| thingee | stevetan: I don't see any third party ci posting results on other patches from ProphetStor, so no. | 16:39 |
| thingee | stevetan: take a look at the wiki doc I posted. | 16:40 |
| stevetan | EMC VNX CIJul 21 2:20 PM | 16:40 |
| stevetan | Patch Set 42: | 16:40 |
| stevetan | Build succeed. | 16:40 |
| stevetan | EMC_VNX_ISCSI SUCCESS in 39m 15s | 16:40 |
| stevetan | EMC_VNX_FC SUCCESS in 9m 35s | 16:40 |
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| stevetan | isn't that part of the CI? | 16:40 |
| thingee | that's an example of emc doing it | 16:40 |
| asselin | stevetan, yes, you would need your own account for yourself | 16:40 |
| stevetan | thingee: please send me the wiki link | 16:41 |
| thingee | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Cinder/certified-drivers | 16:41 |
| stevetan | ok... so what do we need to do from the current review status... https://review.openstack.org/#/c/95829/ | 16:41 |
| kmartin | stevetan: You may have responded to teh comments but they might still be in Draftl(and show in red), press the review button and they will get posted. | 16:41 |
| DuncanT- | stevetan: You'll be expected to set up your own system that runs tests against your real hardware on every commit | 16:42 |
| thingee | DuncanT-, stevetan: I think we can take this to #openstack-cinder. | 16:42 |
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| jungleboyj | thingee: +1 | 16:42 |
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| stevetan | DucnanT: we did set up | 16:42 |
| thingee | stevetan: ok, well we need to see the CI posting results. | 16:43 |
| thingee | stevetan: I'm not seeing that | 16:43 |
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| stevetan | thingee: something like this u mean? https://s3.amazonaws.com/solidfire-cert-results/tmp.wsfgEXbccC | 16:44 |
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| stevetan | thingee: this https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1281119? | 16:44 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1281119 in cinder "IBM XIV/DS8K driver certification results" [Low,Confirmed] | 16:44 |
| kmartin | stevetan: cert results and CI are two different things | 16:45 |
| asselin | stevetan, it would post the result automatically in the review section | 16:45 |
| DuncanT- | thingee: stevetan: Are you both ok with taking this to #openstack-cinder after the meeting? We've a couple more topics I'd like to get through and we've only quarter of an hour left | 16:45 |
| thingee | DuncanT-: +1 | 16:45 |
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| stevetan | DuncanT: ok, thanks | 16:45 |
| glenng | DuncanT-: +12 | 16:45 |
| DuncanT- | #topic Volume replication | 16:45 |
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| e0ne | stevetan: plese, look to this requesthttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/101227/ too | 16:46 |
| ronenkat | hi | 16:46 |
| DuncanT- | ronenkat: Tag, you're up | 16:46 |
| stevetan | e0ne: thanks! | 16:46 |
| ronenkat | I put up the 1st version of replication - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/106718 | 16:46 |
| ronenkat | Thanks for those you already took a look | 16:46 |
| ronenkat | Seems I rushed a bit | 16:46 |
| ronenkat | I would like to have driver owners to take a look at the driver implmentation part - we need that to make the feature usefull | 16:47 |
| hemna | ronenkat, you should mark the review as WIP workflow | 16:47 |
| DuncanT- | Has anybody from Netapp been able to look at it yet? I know they had serious concerns about avishay's original design | 16:47 |
| ronenkat | I wanted to asked if anyone is interested in setting up time to review how the replication works with the driver | 16:48 |
| glenng | DuncanT-: I have not. I don't know about anyone else. | 16:48 |
| ronenkat | hemna: Thanks, will do | 16:48 |
| hemna | ronenkat, any chance you are making the mid-cycle meeting? | 16:48 |
| hemna | would be a good place to talk about it, even if it's late in the cycle | 16:48 |
| ronenkat | in person... don't think so | 16:49 |
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| hemna | dang ok. | 16:49 |
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| DuncanT- | glenng: Can you chase somebody into looking please? You guys seemed to have the most concerns but left the feedback very late last time | 16:49 |
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| glenng | DuncanT-: Yes sir. :-) I'll bring it up tmrw in our meeting. | 16:49 |
| DuncanT- | Thanks | 16:49 |
| ronenkat | is there an interest for me to do a "walk though" ? | 16:50 |
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| jungleboyj | ronenkat: I am going to be at the mid-cycle meetup. :-) Why couldn't you get approved. ;-) | 16:50 |
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| flip214 | ronenkat: it would help if the methods input/outputs were specified in details | 16:50 |
| ronenkat | jungleboyj: I need more miles than you... :-) | 16:50 |
| flip214 | then it's easier to see what each method is expected to do | 16:50 |
| jungleboyj | ronenkat: I know. Giving you a hard time. | 16:51 |
| kmartin | DuncanT-: You were looking for driver maintainer emails? see http://stackalytics.com/report/driverlog?project_id=openstack%2Fcinder | 16:51 |
| ronenkat | flip214: make sense, I wiill beef up the method documentation | 16:51 |
| flip214 | please, thank you very much. | 16:52 |
| DuncanT- | kmartin: Sweet! Thanks | 16:52 |
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| flip214 | times up in a few mins | 16:52 |
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| glenng | DuncanT-: Any time for my topic? | 16:53 |
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| DuncanT- | Ok, last topic | 16:53 |
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| DuncanT- | #topic BNFS security | 16:53 |
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| DuncanT- | #topic NFS security | 16:53 |
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| DuncanT- | glenng: You're up | 16:54 |
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| glenng | Just wanted to request that the colective trust look at the NFS Security enahnce,ents. | 16:54 |
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| glenng | BP is •https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/secure-nfs | 16:54 |
| DuncanT- | glenng: How is it looking for upgrade? | 16:55 |
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| glenng | There was one review by eharney, but need much more feedback. | 16:55 |
| glenng | DuncanT-: Upgrade is a factor here. | 16:55 |
| eharney | upgrade was one of my concerns... i need to review it some more, though | 16:55 |
| glenng | The security changes will require the Admin to set up the environment correctly, and would most likely require changes to existing volume config. | 16:56 |
| DuncanT- | glenng: Can you document the upgrade steps please? I took a look and it looks like it might be significant | 16:56 |
| glenng | As in, changing ownership to the stack user. | 16:56 |
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| glenng | DuncanT-: How about I add that to blueprint text? | 16:56 |
| DuncanT- | glenng: That seems as good a place as any, yes | 16:57 |
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| hemna | shouldn't that be in the cinder-specs patch? | 16:57 |
| hemna | or has that ship sailed? | 16:57 |
| hemna | can always patch a spec that has landed to update it. | 16:57 |
| glenng | DuncanT-: Great. I'll update. I ask that others give it some serious consideration so that we can close the security issue. | 16:57 |
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| DuncanT- | #agreed People with relevant knowledge to look at the NFS security patch | 16:58 |
| DuncanT- | Right, that's su just about out of time... Thanks all | 16:58 |
| glenng | DuncanT-: THat's it for me :-) | 16:58 |
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| glenng | Bye | 16:58 |
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| jungleboyj | Thanks DuncanT- | 16:58 |
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| DuncanT- | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 23 16:59:21 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-07-23-16.00.html | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-07-23-16.00.txt | 16:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-07-23-16.00.log.html | 16:59 |
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| tjones | #startmeeting vmwareapi | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 23 17:00:22 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tjones. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| tjones | hi folks | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vmwareapi' | 17:00 |
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| arnaud | hi tjones | 17:01 |
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| tjones | anyone else?? | 17:01 |
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| tjones | *waves back* | 17:02 |
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| tjones | so j-2 is tomorrow | 17:02 |
| tjones | lets talk about reviews | 17:02 |
| tjones | #topic reviews for j-2 | 17:02 |
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| tjones | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+message:vmware,n,z | 17:03 |
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| tjones | so many spawn refactor patches and so little time | 17:03 |
| tjones | mdbooth: want to give an update ? i know vui will be late | 17:03 |
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| mdbooth | tjones: A bunch got (very painfully) merged over the weekend | 17:04 |
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| tjones | congrats! | 17:04 |
| mdbooth | There's still a long list without any +2s, though | 17:04 |
| tjones | yes i see that - ugh | 17:04 |
| mdbooth | I will start hassling about that at some point | 17:04 |
| tjones | 9 patches for that in reivew | 17:05 |
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| tjones | + oslo.vmware | 17:05 |
| tjones | no +2 yet | 17:06 |
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| tjones | so chances of those 2 getting in by tomorrow seem prettly slim unfortunately | 17:07 |
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| tjones | :-( | 17:08 |
| mdbooth | tjones: non-existent | 17:08 |
| browne | hi | 17:08 |
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| vuil | I hope we can still get some eyes after tomorrow | 17:08 |
| tjones | yeah vuil but we have a TON of other work hoping to land j-3 | 17:08 |
| mdbooth | vuil: I still haven't noticed the phase 3 patches, btw | 17:09 |
| mdbooth | Have I missed them? | 17:09 |
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| vuil | No, apologies, I have about a chain of 6 patches I need to post. Got interrupted by other things the last 2 days. | 17:10 |
| vuil | Will try to get them up today. | 17:10 |
| tjones | vuil: can you please mark spawn refactor to "needs code review"? I cannot - | 17:10 |
| tjones | i thought you did that last week | 17:10 |
| tjones | do you have the privs? | 17:10 |
| vuil | I should, let me do it. | 17:11 |
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| tjones | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack?searchtext=vmware | 17:11 |
| tjones | cause without that the cores don't know they should be reviewing like mad | 17:11 |
| tjones | any other in that list that should be in code review status? | 17:11 |
| vuil | no I can't do it | 17:12 |
| vuil | can you tjones? | 17:12 |
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| tjones | i cannot | 17:12 |
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| vuil | I think we need to go ping hartsocks later then. | 17:13 |
| tjones | johnthetubaguy: can you please mark https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/vmware-spawn-refactor as "need code review"? The patches have all been submitted (for a while now) | 17:13 |
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| hartsocks | vuil: pong | 17:13 |
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| tjones | ok - any other in that list in the wrong state? | 17:13 |
| tjones | hartsocks can you set https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/vmware-spawn-refactor to "needs code review" please? | 17:13 |
| hartsocks | tjones: no problem. | 17:13 |
| tjones | thanks | 17:13 |
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| tjones | ok lets move on to BP for j-3 | 17:14 |
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| johnthetubaguy | tjones: yeah, its up to the blueprint owner to update that, I just manually update that, if they haven't done it already when I check every blueprint at the end of a release | 17:15 |
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| tjones | johnthetubaguy: thanks | 17:15 |
| tjones | so here's the link for the abandoned BP | 17:15 |
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| tjones | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:abandoned+project:openstack/nova-specs+message:vmware,n,z | 17:15 |
| tjones | we need to decide which we want to target for j-3 | 17:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | tjones: juno-2 is released now, btw | 17:15 |
| tjones | johnthetubaguy: thanks - thought it was tomorrow ;-) | 17:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | tjones: tomorrow is the deadline, we try cut branches tuesday/wednesday to make sure we meet the deadline | 17:16 |
| tjones | ok good to know | 17:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | tjones: puntted everything to juno-3 on Monday that didn't have most of their patches approved, etc | 17:17 |
| tjones | so BP owners - please ping johnthetubaguy to remove the -2 for the BP you want to target for j-3. I suspect there are only a small number of them | 17:17 |
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| tjones | kiran and kanagaraj are not here and they own 2 of them | 17:17 |
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| tjones | arnaud: what about https://review.openstack.org/84281 | 17:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | tjones: the only −2s should be for unapproved blueprints | 17:18 |
| arnaud | my priority was https://review.openstack.org/#/c/84887/ | 17:18 |
| tjones | johnthetubaguy: yes that is correct | 17:18 |
| arnaud | but I don't think we can find a consensus | 17:18 |
| arnaud | tbh | 17:18 |
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| johnthetubaguy | tjones: do you have exceptions granted for those, if you want them in juno-3? | 17:19 |
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| tjones | johnthetubaguy: not yet - i am asking people which ones they want to push in. so far i hear - nothing | 17:19 |
| arnaud | btw, I don't have an exception for #84281 | 17:19 |
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| tjones | so nothing makes it easy ;-) | 17:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | tjones: so the deadline for exceptions has passed I think, mikal sent info on how to request exceptions to the ML | 17:20 |
| tjones | yeah - just making sure. | 17:20 |
| tjones | so we drop that for juno and focus on the approved list | 17:20 |
| tjones | anything else on BP today? | 17:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | at this point, we are going to struggle getting in everything that is already in NeedCodeReview for Juno-3 | 17:20 |
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| johnthetubaguy | as a heads up | 17:20 |
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| tjones | so guys - you heard it. then it is likely that the only thing we get into juno is spawn refactor and oslo.vmware. no other approved BP are in code review... | 17:21 |
| tjones | :-( | 17:22 |
| mdbooth | :( | 17:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | tjones: sooner the code is up, the more likely its going to get reviewed in time | 17:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | tjones: basically anything in ***-3 is at risk of missing *** | 17:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | based on history | 17:23 |
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| tjones | so on to bugs | 17:24 |
| tjones | we've got a bunch too | 17:25 |
| tjones | http://tinyurl.com/p28mz43 | 17:25 |
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| tjones | if you go to this dashboard http://54.201.139.117/nova-bugs.html, type vmware in the search string and select no owner you will see the ones that are up for grabs | 17:26 |
| tjones | if you are bored (haha) feel free to grab a bug | 17:27 |
| browne | bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1291741 is mine for which I've been rebasing for 3 months | 17:27 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1291741 in nova "VMWare: Resize action does not change disk" [High,In progress] | 17:27 |
| browne | could use help on approval of its patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/85804/ | 17:28 |
| tjones | that's one that customers could hit | 17:28 |
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| tjones | you have 1 +2 already | 17:28 |
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| tjones | folks please give it a look so browne can ask another core to bless it | 17:28 |
| browne | yep, almost merged once too, but there was a conflict at the gate | 17:28 |
| mdbooth | browne: It's abandoned | 17:29 |
| tjones | it is?? i see review in progress | 17:29 |
| browne | mdbooth: ? | 17:29 |
| mdbooth | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/82227/ | 17:30 |
| browne | ah yes, ignore that one, look at the second patch | 17:30 |
| tjones | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/85804/ | 17:30 |
| mdbooth | Ah, got it | 17:30 |
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| tjones | any other bugs? | 17:30 |
| tjones | with that link i gave you you can also select ready for review and see a list of about 15 that are ready for review | 17:31 |
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| tjones | #open discusssion | 17:31 |
| tjones | any one have anything? if not we can end early | 17:32 |
| arnaud | I would like to discuss oslo.vmware | 17:32 |
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| arnaud | and the structure that we want to have in it | 17:32 |
| arnaud | while writing this patch yesterday https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105274/ | 17:32 |
| arnaud | I felt like we don't have any rules, any structure | 17:32 |
| tjones | dims: you here? | 17:33 |
| dims | tjones, pong | 17:33 |
| arnaud | so I created objects for the objects and utils for the other stuff | 17:33 |
| * mdbooth has never liked the _utils model | 17:33 | |
| tjones | dims: talking about oslo.vmware | 17:33 |
| arnaud | but, I want to make sure we have an agreement | 17:33 |
| arnaud | mdbooth, me too | 17:33 |
| * mdbooth would prefer to see them as method objects | 17:33 | |
| * dims agrees with mdbooth and arnaud | 17:34 | |
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| arnaud | the problem mdbooth is that most of these method cannot be tied to a specific object | 17:34 |
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| arnaud | at least not an object that represents an object in the VC world | 17:34 |
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| mdbooth | arnaud: you mean file_delete(), file_move()? | 17:36 |
| mdbooth | etc? | 17:36 |
| arnaud | no what I mean | 17:36 |
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| arnaud | is if you take for example | 17:36 |
| arnaud | Datastore | 17:36 |
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| arnaud | a Datastore (here: http://pubs.vmware.com/vi3/sdk/ReferenceGuide/vim.Datastore.html) has a set of fields etc., the representation that we use for datastore is different. Which is fine (I guess). | 17:37 |
| arnaud | the object that we have is the most convenient based on what we need in the openstack world | 17:38 |
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| arnaud | but, I think for methods, the story becomes a bit more complicated | 17:38 |
| arnaud | because most of the methods will "use" several objects at the same time | 17:38 |
| arnaud | and I don't think we have to end up with a very complex object structure | 17:39 |
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| arnaud | as an example :) | 17:39 |
| arnaud | these methods: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105274/3/oslo/vmware/ds_util.py | 17:39 |
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| arnaud | for example: is_datastore_mount_usable | 17:39 |
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| arnaud | is not really tied to Datastore | 17:39 |
| arnaud | in the VC world it would be more tied to DatastoreHostMount | 17:40 |
| tjones | and also get_hosts_with_datastore_mounted | 17:40 |
| arnaud | but we are not really using anywhere DatastoreHostMount | 17:40 |
| arnaud | so having an object for that is kinda overkill | 17:40 |
| arnaud | and if we have an object for DatastoreHostMount why not having an object for MountInfo | 17:41 |
| mdbooth | I think you should make a judgement call based on how we're actually using it | 17:41 |
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| arnaud | and we end up with objects for the full VC inventory | 17:41 |
| dims | right, we don't want to do that :) | 17:41 |
| arnaud | mdbooth, I agree | 17:41 |
| mdbooth | We definitely don't need to model VC in openstack | 17:41 |
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| arnaud | ok | 17:42 |
| mdbooth | So is_datastore_mount_usable could go in the Datastore object | 17:42 |
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| mdbooth | as could get_hosts_with_datastore_mounted | 17:42 |
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| arnaud | which is fine to me | 17:42 |
| mdbooth | although that might also reasonably live elsewhere | 17:42 |
| mdbooth | I haven't looked at the usage | 17:42 |
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| mdbooth | In general, though, if it's 'Datastore'y it would be nice to find it all in the same place | 17:43 |
| arnaud | I think it would be nice to define some rules | 17:43 |
| arnaud | in the object creation + object/methods mappings | 17:43 |
| mdbooth | Ultimately, api creation is a bit of an art :) | 17:44 |
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| vuil | +1, a lot does still depend on how we intend to use this information | 17:45 |
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| vuil | is_datastore_mount_usable looks private, and mountinfo retrieve being part of Datastore extends the latter's scope but not unreasaonably | 17:45 |
| arnaud | we already have methods in vim_util | 17:46 |
| arnaud | that from my perspective | 17:46 |
| arnaud | should not live there | 17:46 |
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| mdbooth | Oh, yeah. If we can make anything private in the move, we absolutely should. | 17:46 |
| mdbooth | Or remove it entirely. | 17:46 |
| mdbooth | arnaud: I don't think vim_util should exist :) | 17:46 |
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| mdbooth | It should be in vim | 17:47 |
| arnaud | yep | 17:47 |
| arnaud | Agree | 17:47 |
| mdbooth | Not this release, though | 17:47 |
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| mdbooth | We should try to have consistency in naming | 17:48 |
| mdbooth | filenames are always filenames | 17:48 |
| mdbooth | or they're always paths | 17:48 |
| arnaud | ok, so what about a rule: we only have top level objects that maps only top level Managed types (Datastore, VirtualMachine, ..) in VC, and the content of these objects is based on the openstack use cases | 17:48 |
| mdbooth | argument ordering should be consistent | 17:49 |
| mdbooth | I think we can make fairly solid rules about this stuff | 17:49 |
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| mdbooth | But where to put things is going to be a judgement call, imho | 17:49 |
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| arnaud | it would be nice I think if this judgement call is a group decision | 17:50 |
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| mdbooth | arnaud: Sounds reasonable without having looked at it in detail | 17:50 |
| dims | anyone want to write something up in our wiki? | 17:50 |
| arnaud | yep dims I will | 17:50 |
| dims | thanks arnaud | 17:50 |
| mdbooth | We'll battle it out in review :) | 17:51 |
| arnaud | **hopefully** | 17:51 |
| arnaud | :) | 17:51 |
| arnaud | not much battle for vim_util | 17:51 |
| arnaud | tjones, we can move to another discussion :) | 17:53 |
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| tjones | anyone else? | 17:53 |
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| tjones | i have nothing else | 17:54 |
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| mdbooth | arosen has been an awesome help to me today getting NSX working | 17:54 |
| dims | mdbooth, what was the full command line for generating the report i saw in the paste the other day? | 17:54 |
| tjones | yeah i saw that - good news | 17:54 |
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| mdbooth | dims: Have you got the very latest gerrit_view? | 17:55 |
| dims | yea i can grab that | 17:55 |
| mdbooth | git://github.com/harlowja/gerrit_view.git | 17:55 |
| dims | yep | 17:55 |
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| tjones | thanks for reminding me - i want to grab that too. very handy | 17:55 |
| tjones | ok i think we are done | 17:55 |
| tjones | thanks all | 17:56 |
| tjones | #endmeeting | 17:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 23 17:56:12 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2014/vmwareapi.2014-07-23-17.00.html | 17:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2014/vmwareapi.2014-07-23-17.00.txt | 17:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2014/vmwareapi.2014-07-23-17.00.log.html | 17:56 |
| harlowja | mdbooth i think https://pypi.python.org/pypi/gerrit-view is also the same as that github | 17:56 |
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| harlowja | *so either should work | 17:56 |
| mdbooth | harlowja: Thanks :) | 17:56 |
| harlowja | np | 17:56 |
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| notmyname | hello. swift meeting time | 19:00 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting | 19:00 |
| openstack | notmyname: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 19:00 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 23 19:00:22 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 19:00 |
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| notmyname | who's here? | 19:00 |
| torgomatic | who's on first | 19:00 |
| peluse_ | yo | 19:00 |
| gvernik | hello | 19:00 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 19:00 |
| goodes | g'day | 19:01 |
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| tdasilva_ | o/ | 19:01 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 19:01 |
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| notmyname | not a ton on the agenda | 19:01 |
| notmyname | thanks for coming. let's get started :-) | 19:02 |
| acoles | o/ | 19:02 |
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| notmyname | first up, just in case you missed it, yesterday I tagged and released python-swiftclient 2.2.0 | 19:02 |
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| notmyname | that includes the storage policy settings (and context-sensitive help and tempurl generate) | 19:02 |
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| mattoliverau | Nice work | 19:02 |
| notmyname | so thanks for working on that (code and reviews) | 19:02 |
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| notmyname | speaking of clients.... | 19:03 |
| notmyname | I just saw this today (or was reminded of it): https://review.openstack.org/#/c/109047/ | 19:03 |
| notmyname | looks like the keystone project has made some changes in organization of code | 19:03 |
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| notmyname | basically, this means that if you deploy keystone with swift, you'll have another repo to track, manage, package, and deploy. have fun | 19:04 |
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| notmyname | and update your configs | 19:04 |
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| mattoliverau | yay, more complexity.. people are going to love that. | 19:05 |
| notmyname | also, the deadline for talk submissions for the openstack paris summit is rapidly approaching. please do that soon. I think the deadline is monday | 19:05 |
| notmyname | and book your hotels sooner than later | 19:05 |
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| * torgomatic should probably figure out if he's going or not | 19:05 | |
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| notmyname | before we get into covering specific patches, what else is on your mind? | 19:06 |
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| * portante is sorry his is late | 19:07 | |
| notmyname | ok, that's easy :-) | 19:07 |
| mattoliverau | I'm back from Germany, the infra meet up went well. | 19:07 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: ah! good to hear | 19:07 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: any concerns or things from the -infra team that we can solve? | 19:08 |
| mattoliverau | I have an update on the auto abandon issue | 19:08 |
| notmyname | please tell :-) | 19:08 |
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| mattoliverau | Well firstly thanks everyone for taking a look at my FormPost patch, that will be useful for infra moving to swift for log storage | 19:09 |
| mattoliverau | On the auto adbandon side | 19:09 |
| dfg | notmyname: i actually had something to talk about and forgot to put it on the TODO thing so whenever we have time... | 19:09 |
| notmyname | dfg: ok, great. after mattoliverau then | 19:09 |
| mattoliverau | I put the auto abandon up for discussion at the meet up. | 19:10 |
| mattoliverau | Infra don't like the idea of turning it back on, as most projects complained, and developers kept asking to get it un-abandoned. | 19:10 |
| mattoliverau | In essence they felt it make for a poor overall user-experience.\ | 19:10 |
| mattoliverau | I floated the idea of turning it back on, but allowing projects to opt in... but they thought this would make it unpredictable for users. | 19:10 |
| mattoliverau | The idea is now that cores can abandon changes, and now with dash boards you can set up a filter to display any changes with a -1 score and haven't been touched in x timeframe. | 19:10 |
| notmyname | *cough*unlike gate errors which are tottally a good thing*cough* | 19:10 |
| mattoliverau | lol, yeah, we talked alot about gate errors believe me! | 19:11 |
| mattoliverau | looking at simplifying some of the checks to remove gate bugs.. but that's a side track | 19:11 |
| mattoliverau | back to report.. | 19:11 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: ok. what's next then? | 19:11 |
| mattoliverau | I have a filter we can add to the dash board for this. | 19:11 |
| torgomatic | who controls what user counts as "core team"? More importantly, will that person let me add a bot to core so that we can have our automation back? | 19:11 |
| mattoliverau | torgomatic: lol I thought of that too. I can look into that ;) | 19:12 |
| mattoliverau | And if it would make it easier for you guys to get your work done, I'd like to volunteer to add the list to the dashboard, and then keep an eye on the it, attempt to ping owners of changes that look to be abandoned.. and when they are (abandoned) contact a core (via channel or a list at meetings) for you guys to abandon. | 19:12 |
| mattoliverau | I know it isn't exactly what you wanted, as it isn't completely hands off, but I hope it helps. | 19:12 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: depends on how much beer you buy me :-) | 19:12 |
| * torgomatic thinks that "less automation" is usually the wrong way to go | 19:12 | |
| torgomatic | hehe | 19:13 |
| mattoliverau | until we find a more automated way for us that is ;) | 19:13 |
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| notmyname | mattoliverau: you're referring to the "swift review dashboard" I put together? | 19:13 |
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| mattoliverau | notmyname: yup | 19:13 |
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| notmyname | mattoliverau: awesome. totally go for it | 19:13 |
| mattoliverau | OR can just make a new one, but that way everyone can see | 19:13 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: there's nothing special about the one I made other than there are some links to it. and links can be easily changed | 19:14 |
| notmyname | it isn't "owned" by anyone (or everyone owns it, actually) | 19:14 |
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| mattoliverau | Cool, leave it with me I'll raise the patch :) Do we want the same timeframe as before, 2weeks, or make it 4 weeks of negitive non update? | 19:14 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: thanks. anything else? | 19:14 |
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| mattoliverau | notmyname: I already have the search, just wanted to wait for the meeting before I submitted a patch :) | 19:15 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: start with 4 | 19:15 |
| mattoliverau | notmyname: k | 19:15 |
| notmyname | if there aren't other strong opinions | 19:15 |
| acoles | sounds good thanks mattoliverau | 19:16 |
| mattoliverau | notmyname: infra know there are issues with gate bugs and are working hard to fix them, most of the discussions were based on it... other then that I have nothing | 19:16 |
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| notmyname | mattoliverau: I'm glad you went and thanks for sharing :-) | 19:16 |
| notmyname | dfg: what's up? | 19:17 |
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| dfg | ok | 19:17 |
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| dfg | i wanted to see if we can add a new flag in the commit msgs | 19:17 |
| dfg | if there was a change in the "API" | 19:17 |
| dfg | basically, i want to try playing around with only upgrading a single node in a cluster to be able to compare performance between releases | 19:18 |
| notmyname | dfg: similar to the "DocImpact" one? | 19:18 |
| dfg | a canary node or whatever | 19:18 |
| dfg | notmyname: ya | 19:18 |
| notmyname | dfg: swift-only or openstack-wide? | 19:18 |
| torgomatic | so the various internal APIs, not client-facing? or both? | 19:18 |
| dfg | and I'd like an easy way to be able to see if there's any code changes that would prevent this | 19:18 |
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| dfg | torgomatic: both / all | 19:18 |
| dfg | swift-only | 19:18 |
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| dfg | anything that would prevent what i said above | 19:19 |
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| notmyname | dfg: and you want a constant string or marker so you can grep git output? | 19:19 |
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| dfg | just updraging a dtorage node. just upgrading a proxy, etc | 19:19 |
| dfg | notmyname: ya | 19:19 |
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| notmyname | makes total sense and seems completely reasonable to me | 19:19 |
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| notmyname | doing it swift-only means it will be more convention than automated. in both cases it will need to be enforced by reviewers | 19:20 |
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| notmyname | dfg: got a proposal for a string or tag to use? | 19:21 |
| dfg | i think it would really stream line a release process if we could do this. but with all the changes its hard to know if its possible | 19:21 |
| dfg | idk. | 19:21 |
| dfg | API-Change or something | 19:21 |
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| portante | dfg, and can you highlight one or two existing commits that would have benefited from that? | 19:21 |
| dfg | portante: how do you mean? | 19:22 |
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| dfg | i imagine bvery few of our commits would have this flag. but without it its hard to be sure | 19:22 |
| portante | like, commit abcdefg changed XYZ so it could have had API-Change applied | 19:22 |
| dfg | i can't think of one right now. | 19:22 |
| notmyname | portante: not to speak for dfg, but I think some of the possibilities would be to experiment different implementations. once the api is set, then you can tell when your alt-obj-server will break | 19:22 |
| portante | and commit hijklmnop changes xzy but it would not apply | 19:22 |
| mattoliverau | So we will need to document it somewhere and make sure its easy to find for swift devs and new reviewers. maybe it would be something other projects are interested in too | 19:23 |
| notmyname | ...as opposed to "this is a pain point today that needs to be fixed" | 19:23 |
| portante | okay, I guess I am not quite following what is being asked, so I'll watch and see how this plays out | 19:23 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: yes. | 19:23 |
| notmyname | dfg: before I say more, is that kinda what you were thinking about? | 19:23 |
| mattoliverau | my formpost patch would be a good candidate as it added x-delete-at to the formpost middleware api. | 19:24 |
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| dfg | this basically arose when I wanted to start tryign to do this canary node idea and people were like. its not expected behavior that a cluster can run longf term with 2 different versions of swift. | 19:24 |
| mattoliverau | it didn't change or break the middleware, but would alert people (via grep) that something had changed api wise | 19:24 |
| dfg | imo thats almost never the case- we usually can have 2 different versions but its hard to prove without going through every single commit0 which is a lot of work | 19:25 |
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| dfg | i'm not even thinking about the client (is that bad :) ) i | 19:25 |
| notmyname | seems like a commit message tag is one way. `git notes` is another (but local, I think) | 19:26 |
| dfg | 'm mostly talking about internal stuff | 19:26 |
| portante | dfg, sounds like a reasonable thing to work towards | 19:26 |
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| tdasilva_ | mattoliverau, portante: i think this patch would be another current example: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/72157/ | 19:26 |
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| mattoliverau | tdasilva_: yup, that looks like one too | 19:27 |
| notmyname | dfg: any change or just breaking changes? eg what about stuff added as opposed to stuff changed? | 19:27 |
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| portante | dfg: so if you were to take the above patch as an example you wanted to try out, would you deploy one proxy server and a set of storage nodes that implemented the account-to-account copy change along side all the others? | 19:27 |
| dfg | all i'm interested in is the canary node use case | 19:27 |
| dfg | portante: let me look | 19:28 |
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| torgomatic | makes perfect sense to me | 19:29 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: I agree it may be useful to others too, but let's first keep scope a lot smaller and see what works for us | 19:29 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: and yes, you're right that it would need to be documented | 19:29 |
| mattoliverau | notmyname: sure, we can test it out, then think about floating the idea to other projects :) | 19:30 |
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| dfg | i guess we'd flag that account copy thing but thats really what I'm interested in. if the proxy server needed a specific change in the object server and would produce weird results thats what i'm mostly talking about. memcache keys- that kind of stuff | 19:31 |
| portante | k that makes sense to me then | 19:31 |
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| portante | for whatever that is worth ... | 19:31 |
| dfg | that patch probably should be flagged because the client would see weird results- but thats not reallly what i brought this up for. | 19:32 |
| dfg | if that makes sense | 19:32 |
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| notmyname | dfg: here's what I suggest: let's decide on the tag to use (eg APIChanges) and then I'll send an email to all swift-core about it and then let's start asking contributors to add it to patches | 19:32 |
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| torgomatic | notmyname: +1 | 19:33 |
| dfg | notmyname: sounds good. and as it is put to use we'll further define what it means | 19:33 |
| acoles | are we looking at APIChanges: [proxy|object|container|account] or just a catch all? | 19:33 |
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| torgomatic | #vote sure why not | 19:33 |
| dfg | imo for now, just APIChanges and let it play out to see what makes sense | 19:33 |
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| notmyname | dfg: +1 | 19:34 |
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| peluse_ | sounds good | 19:34 |
| mattoliverau | +1 | 19:34 |
| acoles | ok | 19:34 |
| notmyname | yay! making decisions! | 19:34 |
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| tdasilva_ | +1 | 19:34 |
| notmyname | dfg: anything else from you on that? | 19:34 |
| notmyname | any other questions for dfg or others about this? | 19:35 |
| dfg | no. i'll not talk for another couple months :) | 19:35 |
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| mattoliverau | should it be APIChanges or APIImpact (so it in-lines with an exiting notifier)? | 19:35 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: APIChanges | 19:35 |
| mattoliverau | k | 19:35 |
| notmyname | #agreed add APIChanges in the commit message of patches that affect an internal node-to-node or external API | 19:36 |
| notmyname | anything else before we move on to patch reviews? | 19:36 |
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| notmyname | goodes: were you the one who volunteered to look into adding keystone support to swiftclient without using keystone client? | 19:38 |
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| goodes | not i | 19:38 |
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| notmyname | goodes: heh, ok | 19:38 |
| mattoliverau | then its a mystery | 19:38 |
| hurricanerix | notmyname: i was going to give it a shot if nobody else was doing it. | 19:38 |
| notmyname | #topic patch reviews | 19:38 |
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| goodes | I was looking into a move operation between containers | 19:38 |
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| notmyname | hurricanerix: ah, cool. I don't htink anyone else is. have you looked at it yet? | 19:39 |
| notmyname | hurricanerix: my hoped-for timeline is to get that in the juno timeframe | 19:39 |
| notmyname | ie I think it's important to add before the next integrated release | 19:39 |
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| notmyname | hurricanerix: have you looked at it yet? | 19:40 |
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| hurricanerix | notmyname: a little bit. it doesn't really look that hard. i can probably have a draft done by next week to get some feedback on. | 19:40 |
| notmyname | hurricanerix: great! thanks | 19:40 |
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| notmyname | ok, let's move on to the priority reviews page | 19:41 |
| notmyname | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/PriorityReviews | 19:41 |
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| notmyname | several things have been taken care of since last week (which is great) | 19:41 |
| notmyname | we still need some eyes on the keystone v3 patches | 19:41 |
| notmyname | both in swiftclient and swift | 19:41 |
| notmyname | who can look at those this week? | 19:42 |
| acoles | if anyone needs help with keystone v3 setup i have a few gists with some notes | 19:42 |
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| notmyname | see? acoles will help you get up and running :-) | 19:43 |
| acoles | e.g. changes to devstack to config swift for v3 | 19:43 |
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| peluse_ | WTF, I can take a look | 19:43 |
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| tdasilva_ | i'd like to help, but won't be able to get to it this week, but will try next Monday | 19:43 |
| notmyname | ok | 19:44 |
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| portante | acoles: can you repost those gists here? :) | 19:44 |
| * portante the slacker ... | 19:44 | |
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| mattoliverau | peluse_: can you share the links to your gists? | 19:44 |
| acoles | portante: sure just a mo | 19:44 |
| mattoliverau | or in channel post meeting : | 19:44 |
| peluse_ | mattgriffin: its acoles that has them and I'd like to see too :) | 19:44 |
| peluse_ | other matt* | 19:44 |
| mattoliverau | acoles: I meant | 19:44 |
| acoles | https://gist.github.com/alistairncoles/ae9d5f92063b58afeb88 | 19:45 |
| mattoliverau | lol, i fail at typing, but it is early for me :P | 19:45 |
| acoles | ^^ bunch of stuff on that gist | 19:45 |
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| notmyname | acoles: thanks | 19:45 |
| acoles | notmyname: maybe i should put that link under the priority reviews | 19:46 |
| mattoliverau | acoles: Good idea +1 | 19:46 |
| notmyname | acoles: done | 19:46 |
| acoles | notmyname: thx | 19:47 |
| notmyname | I added the migration middleware to the priority reviews page | 19:47 |
| notmyname | from gvernik | 19:47 |
| gvernik | sounds good | 19:48 |
| notmyname | etiher we need to beat it into shape and merge it or give him a fair response of "no, not gonna happen" | 19:48 |
| * notmyname personally likes the concept | 19:48 | |
| notmyname | can someone commit to looking at it this week? | 19:48 |
| * peluse_ raised his hand last time :) | 19:49 | |
| notmyname | heh | 19:49 |
| notmyname | gvernik: can you confirm it rebases/merges cleanly against master? | 19:49 |
| acoles | i think my last feedback was to ask if the scope could be reduced to just swift to swift migration | 19:49 |
| acoles | to make review easier? | 19:50 |
| gvernik | notmyname: it is, i rebased it before 1-2 weeks | 19:50 |
| notmyname | gvernik: ok, thanks | 19:51 |
| gvernik | i think the scope of swift-swift has less value, s3 to swift is much better, or file system to swift | 19:51 |
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| mattoliverau | I think its a great idea, I said so in the comments, once I've caught up from my trip etc. I'll take a look at it.. if that helps. | 19:51 |
| notmyname | gvernik: yes, those are good, but smaller scope is easier to merge in the first place | 19:51 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: yes, it does. thanks | 19:51 |
| torgomatic | filesystem to swift is good IMO; S3 to Swift is a pain in my rear to test since I have to take out a credit card :) | 19:52 |
| gvernik | what would you prefer to start with? file system to swift or swift to swift? | 19:52 |
| gvernik | or s3 to swift, wich is cool :) | 19:52 |
| tdasilva_ | i like file system to swift :) | 19:52 |
| torgomatic | personally, I see more value in filesystem to swift, as it helps my support guys perform ingestions of data from big NFS-mounted things into Swift | 19:53 |
| torgomatic | that's just my use case though | 19:53 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: how about you and I look at it this week, as-is, and report back to gvernik next week? | 19:53 |
| notmyname | gvernik: work for you? | 19:53 |
| gvernik | sure | 19:53 |
| mattoliverau | sounds good to me :) | 19:53 |
| torgomatic | typically they're going into an environment which lacks Swift and setting one up, so Swift -> Swift doesn't help them much... still nifty, just not my #1 target | 19:53 |
| torgomatic | I'd be happy to see and test both FS -> Swift and Swift -> Swift | 19:54 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: ya, but acoles does have that use case of swift-swift :-) | 19:54 |
| acoles | i'll _try_ to take another look but am heading on vacation so can't promise | 19:54 |
| notmyname | acoles: ah, ok. when will you be back (and have a great time!) | 19:54 |
| torgomatic | #link http://xkcd.com/1172/ | 19:54 |
| torgomatic | :) | 19:54 |
| acoles | notmyname: away next week | 19:54 |
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| notmyname | acoles: ok | 19:55 |
| notmyname | speaking of people not being around.... | 19:55 |
| notmyname | tdasilva_: portante: what do you know about your now-coworkers of chmouel and cschwede? haven't seen them much since y'all bought them :-) | 19:56 |
| portante | redhat is chewing its cud perhaps? | 19:56 |
| portante | ;) | 19:56 |
| notmyname | lol | 19:56 |
| portante | I got an email from them, so they are alive, but I have not had a chance to talk to them either | 19:56 |
| notmyname | ok | 19:57 |
| tdasilva_ | hoping to talk to them next week | 19:57 |
| portante | and they appear to be in the channel ... | 19:57 |
| notmyname | if you do see them in the hallowed halls of red hat, tell them we miss them :-) | 19:57 |
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| notmyname | ok, looks like we don't have time to cover any other specific reviews this week | 19:57 |
| tdasilva_ | i think cshwede is still celebrating 7-1 :( | 19:57 |
| portante | yes! | 19:57 |
| notmyname | suffice to say, go look at the priority reviews page and review stuff | 19:57 |
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| notmyname | and we've got to figure out what do to with -specs | 19:58 |
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| notmyname | we havent' been executing well on that front IMO | 19:58 |
| notmyname | so...topic for next meeting, I guess :-) | 19:58 |
| notmyname | and with that... | 19:58 |
| peluse_ | later on... | 19:59 |
| notmyname | thanks everyone for coming. see you next week | 19:59 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 19:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 23 19:59:39 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:59 |
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| mattoliverau | thanks notmyname | 19:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-07-23-19.00.html | 19:59 |
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