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| Sam-I-Am | hello | 03:00 |
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| Sam-I-Am | anyone here for the doc team meeting? | 03:01 |
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| Sam-I-Am | seems a bit quiet... | 03:02 |
| * dnavale here | 03:02 | |
| Sam-I-Am | hi | 03:02 |
| dnavale | hey | 03:02 |
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| Sam-I-Am | we're a bit off schedule this month due to the summit | 03:03 |
| dnavale | yeah.. | 03:03 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i think next week is supposed to be the apac meeting | 03:04 |
| dnavale | oh.. my calender shows today.. | 03:04 |
| dnavale | but doesn't look like people are around.. | 03:04 |
| Sam-I-Am | hmm, i thought it was 1st and 3rd weds for apac | 03:04 |
| Sam-I-Am | guess we'll make it quick... | 03:05 |
| dnavale | there's nothing really from my side.. | 03:05 |
| fifieldt | hi | 03:06 |
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| Sam-I-Am | there's a tom | 03:06 |
| fifieldt | meeting? | 03:06 |
| Sam-I-Am | we're thinking about it | 03:06 |
| Sam-I-Am | was rather light on people | 03:06 |
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| Sam-I-Am | #startmeeting docteam | 03:08 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 28 03:08:01 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Sam-I-Am. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 03:08 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 03:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 03:08 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' | 03:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | time to get this party started | 03:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | #topic action items from last meeting | 03:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "action items from last meeting (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 03:09 | |
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| Sam-I-Am | andreas was to streamline the howto wiki after we decided that a formal book wasn't the best idea | 03:09 |
| Sam-I-Am | as a result, abandoning the blueprint and patch with the new book | 03:09 |
| Sam-I-Am | the wiki will contain info for new contributors, conventions, and the review guide | 03:10 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i havent heard about any progress yet | 03:10 |
| Sam-I-Am | anything else here? | 03:10 |
| Sam-I-Am | #topic docs swarm in brisbane on 9 aug | 03:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "docs swarm in brisbane on 9 aug (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 03:11 | |
| Sam-I-Am | lana wanted me to mention the docs swarm/sprint in brisbane on 9 aug | 03:11 |
| Sam-I-Am | supposedly a 1-day event to kick start the networking guide | 03:12 |
| Sam-I-Am | its short, but hopefully enough time to organize what we want to cover | 03:12 |
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| Sam-I-Am | questions? | 03:13 |
| Sam-I-Am | #topic installation guide improvements | 03:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "installation guide improvements (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 03:13 | |
| Sam-I-Am | i finished converting the installation guide improvements from etherpad to wiki | 03:14 |
| Sam-I-Am | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/InstallationGuideImprovements | 03:14 |
| Sam-I-Am | if you'd like to work on a chapter/section, just put your name next to it. | 03:14 |
| Sam-I-Am | rather than filing bugs for each item, just put the blueprint tag into the commit message | 03:15 |
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| Sam-I-Am | #topic havana to icehouse upgrade docs | 03:16 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i'm in the process of testing the havana to icehouse upgrade docs | 03:16 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i wish we could get this process started earlier, but we're short on people and no one wants to touch upgrades :) | 03:17 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i would appreciate some testing on the patch for ubuntu | 03:18 |
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| Sam-I-Am | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/91626/ | 03:18 |
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| Sam-I-Am | this or another patch should also cover nova-net and both neutron/nova-net on RHEL | 03:19 |
| Sam-I-Am | shouldn't be too bad once we get one variant working | 03:19 |
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| Sam-I-Am | sure is quiet :/ | 03:19 |
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| Sam-I-Am | #topic open discussion | 03:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 03:20 | |
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| Sam-I-Am | anything for open discussion? | 03:20 |
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| Sam-I-Am | guess not | 03:21 |
| Sam-I-Am | well, quick meeting. | 03:21 |
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| Sam-I-Am | #endmeeting | 03:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 03:22 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 28 03:22:00 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 03:22 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2014/docteam.2014-05-28-03.08.html | 03:22 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2014/docteam.2014-05-28-03.08.txt | 03:22 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2014/docteam.2014-05-28-03.08.log.html | 03:22 |
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| Sam-I-Am | thanks everyone | 03:22 |
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| therve | #startmeeting heat | 12:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 28 12:00:52 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is therve. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 12:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 12:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: heat)" | 12:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 12:00 |
| therve | Let's do this! | 12:00 |
| therve | #topic Roll call | 12:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll call (Meeting topic: heat)" | 12:01 | |
| zaneb | o/ | 12:01 |
| pas-ha | o? | 12:01 |
| pas-ha | o/ | 12:01 |
| tspatzier | hi all | 12:01 |
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| skraynev | o/ | 12:01 |
| Qiming | o/ | 12:01 |
| kanabuchi | o/ | 12:01 |
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| zaneb | (I asked therve to chair because it's 8am & I am not with it yet) ;) | 12:01 |
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| therve | shardy, around maybe? | 12:02 |
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| skraynev | therve: I wanted to ask same | 12:02 |
| zaneb | pas-ha: you'll want to get that arm looked at | 12:02 |
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| skraynev | looks like we lose him | 12:02 |
| therve | o§ | 12:02 |
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| therve | Moving on, hopefully he'll catch up | 12:03 |
| therve | #topic Adding items to the agenda | 12:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Adding items to the agenda (Meeting topic: heat)" | 12:03 | |
| zaneb | therve: wasn't he going to OpenStack in Action? might be travelling | 12:03 |
| pas-ha | zaneb, that was scratching my head :) | 12:03 |
| therve | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda | 12:03 |
| therve | zaneb, Ah maybe. I'm here and haven't seen him though :) | 12:03 |
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| therve | Not much going on this week, it may be a short meeting | 12:04 |
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| therve | #topic Review last meeting's actions | 12:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review last meeting's actions (Meeting topic: heat)" | 12:05 | |
| skraynev | therve: may be | 12:05 |
| therve | We had actions for andrew and cyli, not around of course... | 12:05 |
| therve | zaneb, Can you sync with them later today? | 12:05 |
| zaneb | the specs repo thing happened | 12:05 |
| therve | Ah sweet | 12:06 |
| zaneb | has anyone seen evidence of the jenkins job? | 12:06 |
| skraynev | nope :( | 12:06 |
| tspatzier | Did not notice anything so far. Will there be some announcement on the ML when this gets activated? | 12:06 |
| pas-ha | more info on specs repo? | 12:06 |
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| zaneb | #action zaneb to sync with andrew_plunk on status of Rackspace CI Jenkins job | 12:06 |
| zaneb | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/heat-specs | 12:07 |
| therve | Cool | 12:07 |
| therve | zaneb, What's the next step for spec repo? | 12:07 |
| zaneb | after a discussion on the ML it was changed from orchestration-specs back to heat-specs | 12:07 |
| zaneb | mordred added the cookiecutter framework contents for us | 12:08 |
| zaneb | SpamapS: already has a review up for the first one I think | 12:08 |
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| zaneb | the plan is that new bp proposals should be added there | 12:09 |
| skraynev | zaneb: So currently it is empty, right? | 12:09 |
| zaneb | instead of launchpad | 12:09 |
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| therve | Cool, moving on | 12:09 |
| zaneb | keep it lightweight | 12:09 |
| zaneb | only fill in as much info as it appropriate | 12:09 |
| zaneb | s/it/is/ | 12:10 |
| shardy | oops sorry I'm late | 12:10 |
| tspatzier | zaneb: will we not be using launchpad at all any longer? | 12:10 |
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| * shardy forgot the new meeting time | 12:10 | |
| skraynev | shardy: not much | 12:10 |
| tspatzier | I mean for features like dependency handling of BPs it was nice. | 12:10 |
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| zaneb | tspatzier: launchpad will remain around, but it won't be the entry point for new bps | 12:10 |
| zaneb | I believe there is provision for dependencies in the repo | 12:11 |
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| zaneb | #info new blueprint proposals should go into heat-specs, not into launchpad | 12:11 |
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| therve | zaneb, What's the git URL? | 12:12 |
| zaneb | tspatzier: there's going to be a script to copy bps from the repo into launchpad | 12:12 |
| zaneb | therve: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/heat-specs | 12:13 |
| therve | #info http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/heat-specs Spec URL | 12:13 |
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| tspatzier | zaneb: ok, that's good. So nothing to be done. Because I opened a BP earlier this week. | 12:13 |
| pas-ha | therve, github.com/openstack/heat-specs | 12:13 |
| asalkeld | o/ | 12:13 |
| zaneb | I #linked it above already ;) | 12:13 |
| therve | Oh sorry | 12:13 |
| Qiming | looks like the dependencies are managed manually... see the last few lines here: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/heat-specs/tree/specs/template.rst?id=199101dec864ceed395fbe4e1e0c5f4c98d1e818 | 12:13 |
| therve | Anything else on that topic? | 12:14 |
| zaneb | Qiming: yeah, not sure if the script will be able to import those into launchpad. hopefully. | 12:14 |
| Qiming | right, hopefully | 12:14 |
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| zaneb | we can move on, unless people want to hear the gory details ;) | 12:15 |
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| therve | #topic Critical issues sync | 12:16 |
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| therve | shardy posted a patch for that worker issue | 12:16 |
| shardy | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/94737/ | 12:16 |
| shardy | feedback appreciated, as we've had various discussions about if we want to enable workers at all | 12:17 |
| therve | Yeah, it's pretty tricky | 12:18 |
| shardy | I'm somewhat conflicted, having invested time looking into the fix, I'd kinda like it to go in, but I'm also fully appreciative of the argument for forcing heat-engine to one worker | 12:18 |
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| shardy | AFAICT provided you remember the service entry point is start(), all should work OK | 12:18 |
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| skraynev | shardy: I have seen oslo code and you are correct | 12:19 |
| shardy | but there's undoubtedly some hidden complexity which can be avoided if we say spawning multiple processes is systemd's problem | 12:19 |
| zaneb | shardy: yeah, I am a bit sceptical of this approach | 12:19 |
| zaneb | workers are effectively separate engines | 12:19 |
| zaneb | but not managed as such | 12:19 |
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| zaneb | e.g. if the parent dies probably all hell breaks loose? | 12:19 |
| therve | Yeah eg we don't have engine id in the logs | 12:20 |
| shardy | Well the other option is to revert 0bb1232 and disallow the config option | 12:20 |
| zaneb | only the init process can properly manage multiple engines | 12:20 |
| therve | zaneb, Or if one process goes crazy you need to restart everything | 12:20 |
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| shardy | therve: That will still be an issue if you start multiple engines via a script though won't it? | 12:20 |
| zaneb | and only the deployer can decide what the Right Way to do that is | 12:21 |
| therve | shardy, Because we log to a single file? | 12:21 |
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| shardy | therve: yes, although there are pid's logged IIRC | 12:21 |
| zaneb | I know Clint wants it to be automatic, without the deployer involved... | 12:21 |
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| shardy | zaneb: yeah, that was the main reason for persevering trying to find a solution which didn't just rip out his stuff | 12:21 |
| shardy | If everyone's -2 on it, I'll abandon and propose a revert of his patch | 12:22 |
| zaneb | shardy: but I think the deployer _has_ to be involved | 12:22 |
| zaneb | shardy: what is the default on that config option? | 12:22 |
| therve | The default in master is 1 | 12:22 |
| shardy | zaneb: now, it's 1, but with 5604168 (which we already reverted) it's the number of CPUs | 12:23 |
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| shardy | which is when things started breaking | 12:23 |
| zaneb | ok, then I am not -2 on this patch | 12:23 |
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| shardy | with my patch, #cpu's works fine | 12:23 |
| zaneb | I am very -2 on the default not being 1 | 12:23 |
| shardy | but I think we should leave the default as 1 | 12:23 |
| therve | That sounds like a reasonable trade-offs | 12:23 |
| zaneb | shardy: btw, everything is going to one log file? | 12:24 |
| shardy | then folks can explicitly choose the forking behavior if they want | 12:24 |
| therve | Although it'd be nice to test this option in the gate somehow | 12:24 |
| shardy | zaneb: yes, but there are PID's in the log lines so you can see what is what | 12:24 |
| skraynev | I agree default should be 1 | 12:24 |
| zaneb | that's a bit icky | 12:24 |
| shardy | and I added some ppid's in the log from start() which makes it a bit clearer | 12:24 |
| zaneb | it would be nice to have a command-line arg to specify a log suffix | 12:25 |
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| shardy | zaneb: we can probably add a config option to do that easily enough | 12:25 |
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| zaneb | so then you could do "systemctl start heat-engine@1.service", "systemctl start heat-engine@2.service" &c. and have them all go to separate log files | 12:26 |
| therve | Should we create a bp? Or a spec now I guess | 12:27 |
| shardy | zaneb: Ok, if we're going ahead with my patch I can look into adding the log config | 12:27 |
| shardy | therve: is a logging tweak really BP worthy? | 12:27 |
| shardy | zaneb: jasond made the valid observation that having the forking behavior defaulted to off risks it becoming fragile and breaking over time | 12:27 |
| therve | shardy, Maybe not :) | 12:28 |
| shardy | so we should probably work towards a gate test if we're keeping this in | 12:28 |
| therve | You mean a different gate with workers > 1? | 12:29 |
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| zaneb | shardy: btw http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/instances.html | 12:29 |
| shardy | therve: I mean some way of spinning up a devstack with num_engine_workers>1 for some subset of tests | 12:29 |
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| shardy | maybe we could do something like have the grenade smoke tests use that config when we eventually get them working | 12:29 |
| skraynev | shardy: as non-voting gates ? | 12:30 |
| shardy | zaneb: thanks, useful link :) | 12:30 |
| shardy | skraynev: no, eventually we'd want to gate on the fact that multiple workers work | 12:31 |
| shardy | so e.g someone doesn't stick another RPC object assignement in the service constructor and break things | 12:31 |
| skraynev | shardy: but it will be included in Jenkins report, right? | 12:31 |
| shardy | skraynev: yes | 12:32 |
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| therve | OK, anything else on that issue? Other subjects? | 12:33 |
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| skraynev | shardy: so I think it makes sense. also will be useful have a set of num_engine_workers f.e. [1, 2, 4] for show performance or troubles | 12:34 |
| Qiming | Gentlemen, I'm wondering how can we apply SoftwareConfig into some/all members of an InstanceGroup or ResourceGroup ... | 12:34 |
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| therve | zaneb, I saw your comments on the metadata resource interface. Should we do something? | 12:34 |
| zaneb | therve: imo we should. I learned at the summit that there are a _lot_ of out-of-tree plugins being created | 12:35 |
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| shardy | Qiming: create a nested stack template containing a SoftwareDeployment resource and instance, and pass in the SoftwareConfig ID as a parameter? | 12:35 |
| zaneb | that seems like a pretty big break of the API contract | 12:36 |
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| zaneb | for reasons that were unclear | 12:36 |
| Qiming | shardy, that worth a try, thanks. | 12:36 |
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| shardy | therve: is this the cinder json/dict thing? | 12:37 |
| therve | zaneb, Performance optimization was the reason AFAIU. But I think you're right | 12:37 |
| therve | shardy, No, the metadata property on the Resource class that disappeared | 12:37 |
| asalkeld | we should look at versioning the plugin api at some point | 12:37 |
| zaneb | therve: how does it perform better if you just s/metadata/get_metadata()/ ? | 12:37 |
| zaneb | it's still a db lookup | 12:37 |
| therve | zaneb, get_metadata will only do it once? | 12:38 |
| zaneb | asalkeld: you're probably right, but that is really hard :/ | 12:38 |
| therve | Actually no | 12:38 |
| therve | zaneb, metadata_get uses the metadata passed at load, which are loaded in one query | 12:39 |
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| zaneb | therve: so if we add an @property metadata that just calls metadata_get()... what difference does it make? | 12:39 |
| therve | zaneb, Probably none | 12:39 |
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| therve | We need metadata_get to have the refresh parameter though | 12:40 |
| zaneb | that's why I it's unclear to me why we're breaking the API | 12:40 |
| zaneb | we can have both | 12:40 |
| zaneb | sounds like an easy fix | 12:40 |
| therve | Yeah I think so | 12:40 |
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| therve | We missed it at that time | 12:40 |
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| therve | zaneb, Can you sync with Steve on that subject? | 12:41 |
| zaneb | #action zaneb to sync with stevebaker on metadata in resource plugin API | 12:42 |
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| asalkeld | zaneb, what would be interesting is get last cycles resources and see if they work on master | 12:43 |
| therve | Thanks | 12:43 |
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| zaneb | asalkeld: yeah, that *would* be interesting :) | 12:43 |
| therve | They use more than what I would consider a public API though | 12:44 |
| shardy | asalkeld: that would be an interesting thing to try and automate via grenade ;) | 12:44 |
| therve | Like utils modules and stuff | 12:44 |
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| asalkeld | yip | 12:44 |
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| shardy | EmilienM: ^^ FYI since we discussed help with getting heat/grenade working | 12:45 |
| zaneb | this turned out to be a not-so-short meeting after all :) | 12:47 |
| therve | Do we have anything else? | 12:47 |
| skraynev | I have one question about babrbican resources ... | 12:47 |
| therve | skraynev, Shoot | 12:47 |
| zaneb | therve: let's move to open discussion | 12:47 |
| therve | #topic Open discussion | 12:47 |
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| shardy | Do we have any clarity yet on who's doing what re convergence? | 12:48 |
| skraynev | I hope, that all see situation on review with barbican resources | 12:48 |
| shardy | Seems like we all need to be reviewing SpamapS spec and figuring out how we can divide the work | 12:48 |
| zaneb | shardy: last I heard, Clint was in Bangalore | 12:48 |
| asalkeld | any convergence on the design:-O | 12:48 |
| skraynev | some properties have only one allowed values and it 's default in that time | 12:48 |
| therve | shardy, I don't know about convergence, but I should work on the observer part | 12:48 |
| zaneb | shardy: but I believe he put up a specs review | 12:49 |
| skraynev | Is it normal , or default values is redundant in this situation ? | 12:49 |
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| therve | skraynev, Possibly it's for future enhancements? | 12:50 |
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| asalkeld | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/95907/ | 12:50 |
| zaneb | skraynev: if only one allowed value exists, then a default value is needed otherwise it will fail if you don't specify anything. obviously the whole property is redundant atm | 12:50 |
| skraynev | therve: may be, but existing documentation is very poor | 12:50 |
| zaneb | skraynev: link? | 12:51 |
| skraynev | #link https://github.com/cloudkeep/barbican/wiki/Application-Programming-Interface | 12:51 |
| shardy | asalkeld: thanks, looks like we need a lot more detail on the proposed steps to implement | 12:51 |
| asalkeld | it's just a problem statement | 12:52 |
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| skraynev | zaneb:may be but, the biggest part of values in documentation are marked as optional | 12:52 |
| therve | shardy, +1 | 12:52 |
| asalkeld | -spec is a bad name it should also have design elements | 12:52 |
| skraynev | so it looks confused. | 12:53 |
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| zaneb | asalkeld: traditionally specs = requirements + high-level design | 12:53 |
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| zaneb | not defending that tradition btw ;) | 12:54 |
| asalkeld | not really, spec == how it should behave | 12:54 |
| shardy | Ok, well we need much more work on the design part then ;) | 12:54 |
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| shardy | so we can clarify the work to do and order it needs to be done in etc | 12:54 |
| skraynev | shardy: and more pictures ;) | 12:54 |
| shardy | skraynev: +100 ;) | 12:54 |
| asalkeld | some is going to have fun with ascii art | 12:55 |
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| asalkeld | someone | 12:56 |
| zaneb | lol | 12:56 |
| skraynev | no - no - no ;) | 12:56 |
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| zaneb | does anyone else hate the new line-numbers-on-the-right thing in Gerrit as much as I do? | 12:56 |
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| shardy | zaneb: yes | 12:57 |
| skraynev | zaneb: +1 , I prefer that they will be configured with option "hide all" | 12:57 |
| shardy | I wish you could turn them off completely to make it easier to cut/paste | 12:57 |
| therve | It doesn't bother me too much :) | 12:57 |
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| pas-ha | i have them on the left... | 12:57 |
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| pas-ha | with the n"new" design | 12:58 |
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| therve | zaneb, You can use the new change view, it has numbers on the left | 12:58 |
| skraynev | zaneb: well about barbican. As I understand the right way is to ask guys from barbican team about what should be ? and then share their answers. | 12:58 |
| therve | Oh pas-ha just said that :) | 12:58 |
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| zaneb | therve, pas-ha: interesting, thanks | 12:59 |
| * asalkeld heads off to bed ... | 12:59 | |
| therve | On that none | 12:59 |
| therve | note | 12:59 |
| therve | Thanks all! | 12:59 |
| therve | #endmeeting | 12:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 12:59 | |
| zaneb | skraynev: I'm still not sure I understand your question | 12:59 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 28 12:59:20 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 12:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-05-28-12.00.html | 12:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-05-28-12.00.txt | 12:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-05-28-12.00.log.html | 12:59 |
| zaneb | skraynev: -> #heat | 12:59 |
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| johnthetubaguy | its time for the XenAPI meeting... | 15:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | #startmeeting XenAPI | 15:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 28 15:02:07 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 15:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'xenapi' | 15:02 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so who is around today? | 15:02 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #topic XenServer CI | 15:02 |
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| johnthetubaguy | we had an outage over the weekend | 15:02 |
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| johnthetubaguy | not totally sure why, but we got jobs from gerrit, but stopped running the tests | 15:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | looks like we are all back to normal now | 15:03 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #topic Open Discussion | 15:04 |
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| johnthetubaguy | waiting for people to chime in... | 15:04 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #info Xen project hackathon at the Rackspace office in London tomorrow | 15:04 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I will be there if people want to talk about Xen, XenServer and OpenStack, or what to find out more about what Rackspace are up to | 15:05 |
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| johnthetubaguy | Any more for any more... | 15:06 |
| leifz | johnthetubaguy: you got the creds to use the CI? | 15:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | yes | 15:06 |
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| johnthetubaguy | well, my ssh key has been added to the list | 15:06 |
| leifz | gotcha. | 15:06 |
| leifz | Can you send out info on who shows up to the hackathon? | 15:06 |
| leifz | or more info on what happens? | 15:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | there is a list of attendees somewhere, what you interested in? | 15:07 |
| leifz | more about what goes on than anything else. | 15:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | well its lots of people in a room coding on the Xen hypervisor, mostly, and a few other people doing other bits and bobs | 15:07 |
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| johnthetubaguy | a more hands on version of the design summit for openstack | 15:08 |
| leifz | gotcha, just didn't know if there would be anything "big" coming out of it. | 15:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | I will probably sit in a corner, hack on some openstack stuff, and see if people are interested | 15:08 |
| leifz | okay. | 15:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | there are lots of cool things happening in Xen, just they will be at least a year or two before they drop into XenServer at this point | 15:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | but thats a different discussion | 15:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, I guess we are all done here? | 15:10 |
| leifz | yep. | 15:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool, happy wednesday all | 15:10 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #endmeeting | 15:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:10 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 28 15:10:30 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:10 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-05-28-15.02.html | 15:10 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-05-28-15.02.txt | 15:10 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-05-28-15.02.log.html | 15:10 |
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| jgriffith | #startmeeting cinder | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 28 16:00:04 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jgriffith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| jgriffith | hey everyone | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
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| bswartz | good afternoon | 16:00 |
| jungleboyj | hey jgriffith | 16:00 |
| DuncanT | hey | 16:00 |
| xyang__ | hi | 16:00 |
| jgriffith | todays agenda #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderMeetings | 16:00 |
| jgriffith | Shall we? | 16:00 |
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| jgriffith | jungleboyj: you ready? | 16:01 |
| jgriffith | #topic 3'rd party CI | 16:01 |
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| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Sure. | 16:01 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: ok, you're on | 16:01 |
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| jungleboyj | So, just a couple of things I wanted to chat about. It looks like we didn't land on a decision regarding which tempest tests need to be run. | 16:01 |
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| jungleboyj | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/juno-cinder-3rd-party-cert-and-verification | 16:01 |
| avishay | hello | 16:01 |
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| jungleboyj | The suggesting is to run the "volume" test scenarios and the check-tempest-dsvm-full | 16:02 |
| jungleboyj | Is that what we shoueld get running? | 16:02 |
| DuncanT | Seems like a good start - until people have tried, we won't know what the issues are | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: cehck-tempest-dsvm-full includes those | 16:03 |
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| jgriffith | jungleboyj: the question is if people want to just run "volume" tests | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | Ok, so get check-tempest-dsvm-full running. | 16:03 |
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| jgriffith | jungleboyj: that would be the subset of dsvm-full | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: yes | 16:03 |
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| DuncanT | We said we'd shoot for dsvm-full every 24 hours or better in the session... | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Ok. Thoughts? DuncanT | 16:04 |
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| * jungleboyj knew you would be the first to chime in. | 16:04 | |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: that's one thing that's kinda changed a bit after further talks with CI team | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: jungleboyj might as well just hit every Cinder commit | 16:04 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: Ah, I missed all of that | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: jungleboyj or at least try | 16:04 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT: it was an IRC convo after the summit | 16:04 |
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| jungleboyj | jgriffith: That was what we were leaning towards here. It is what, 2 or 3 commits an hour on average? | 16:05 |
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| DuncanT | jgriffith: On #openstack-cinder? I'll go read the log later | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: if that | 16:05 |
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| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Right,that would be a busy day. | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: no, it was either in infra or in the 3'rd party ci weekly meeting | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | can't member | 16:05 |
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| jgriffith | anyway, no reason not to "try" it | 16:05 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: Ok, I'll try to find it, but if we're shooting for every commit, fine by me | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Partially because of the difficulty of getting useful info out of the daily runs. | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | back to your question of dsvm full or other | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: +1 | 16:06 |
| xyang__ | 2 or 3 commits a hour, so one test may haven't finish, another one will start? | 16:06 |
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| jgriffith | dsvm-full seems like the way to go, however I have to say I'm running into issues with that | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | xyang__: Will be queued up. | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | I have EXTREMELY inconsitent results | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | xyang__: potentially. | 16:06 |
| bswartz | xyang__: or parallelism! | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | random failures in instance creation, networking etc | 16:07 |
| bswartz | if you have multiple slaves you can test more than 1 change at a time | 16:07 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: That isn't good. | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | and it's just using the exact infra setup, not using my driver or anything | 16:07 |
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| jgriffith | jungleboyj: not, it's driving me crazy. Plus others apparantly have this working | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | I keep hoping someone here make some progress on this to compare notes :) | 16:07 |
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| akerr | Does just the volume tests work for you jgriffith? | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: We haven't gotten that far yet. We have the right people in the loop and potentially the hardware. Need the system to put in front of it to be control node/run tests. | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: and NO, not iSCSI only | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | akerr: yes, as long as I do a clean inbetween runs | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Ok, for some reason I thought someone had said that. | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: I think hemna was having issues with that | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: but anyway | 16:09 |
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| jgriffith | That's the price you pay for doing FC IMO :) | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: :-p | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | anybody else actively setting this up right now? | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: So, it sounds like my last question is also answered if we are going to do on each commit. It will be part of the Jenkins results then. | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: correct | 16:11 |
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| akerr | jgriffith: I have a toe in the water right now, plan to pick up steam in a week or 2 | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Ok. | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | akerr: cool, keep me posted on how it goes | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | akerr: are you using the tools laid out by jay? | 16:11 |
| akerr | Yes | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | akerr: cool, it'll be good to see if maybe it's my crappy AMD boxes :) | 16:12 |
| * jgriffith has crappy blades with AMD procs | 16:12 | |
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| jgriffith | looks like it's just /me and akerr then for now? | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | anything else on this one jungleboyj ? | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | did you get answers ? | 16:13 |
| jungleboyj | Well, so continue to move forward trying to get dsvm-full working? | 16:13 |
| jungleboyj | Or start smaller with the volume tests? | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: dsvm-full | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | no reason not to try that first at least | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | IMO | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | aye aye captain. :-) | 16:14 |
| kmartin | jgriffith: asselin_ is working on this for us, he'd not in at the moment, but he should be available in the cinder channel in a little bit | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: cool, I'll be curious to hear how it's going | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | Funny, we have 20+ drivers and nobody really working on this yet :( | 16:15 |
| DuncanT | Somebody here should be working on it in the next week or so, hopefully not me | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | maybe 3 of us | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: haha! | 16:15 |
| kmartin | jgriffith: I know he is looking at the pci pass though for FC | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | kmartin: Looks like he has been keeping the etherpad updated which is appreciated. | 16:15 |
| xyang__ | we'll start soon | 16:15 |
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| jgriffith | coolio | 16:16 |
| kmartin | jungleboyj: yes he is updating the etherpad | 16:16 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: I am hoping that we have people actually trying to set this up in the next couple of weeks. | 16:16 |
| * jgriffith wishes he had *people* | 16:16 | |
| jungleboyj | Just pooling resources across the teams now. | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | on second thought... no he doesn't | 16:16 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: :-) | 16:16 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Ok, I think that answers my questions. | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: cool | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | #topic SSH host keys | 16:17 |
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| jgriffith | jungleboyj: your's again | 16:17 |
| hemna | mornin | 16:17 |
| avishay | hemna: yo | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Yeah ... so, security people here have sunk their teeth into this one. | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: Buenas Dias | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: so I'm not seeing this as warranting a backport myself? | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | I have gotten them to take a deep breath but want to talk to everyone here about the issue and how we can move forward to a solution. | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: care to ellaborate as to why it should be? | 16:18 |
| hemna | jungleboyj, is this one related to the recent ssh patch ? | 16:18 |
| hemna | url? | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | hemna: see the agenda, there are links | 16:18 |
| hemna | k | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderMeetings | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Ok, so, at this point, I agree on that aspect. It doesn't do any good without the drivers making fixes. | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | #link https://launchpad.net/bugs/1320050 and #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1320056 | 16:19 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1320050 in cinder "Brocade FC SAN lookup service should allow customized hosts key and missing policy" [High,Fix committed] | 16:19 |
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| hemna | thnx | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | What does the driver need to fix? | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | Let me take a step back. | 16:19 |
| DuncanT | Looks like a legitimate bug, my main concern is, as usual, keeping running configs running | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | I think it's kinda cumbersome to not share keys independent of driver | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: which one are you looking at :) | 16:20 |
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| DuncanT | jgriffith: Both actually ;-) | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: :) | 16:20 |
| edmondsw | by not checking the known_hosts file and using RejectPolicy when it doesn't match, you leave yourself open to MITM (man-in-the-middle) attacks | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | edmondsw: Cna you chime in. | 16:21 |
| edmondsw | we need to fix that throughout | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: DuncanT ^^^ The person who found this. | 16:21 |
| DuncanT | edmondsw: Low risk in most environments, but agreed | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | edmondsw: I guess I didn't read the bug that way | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | edmondsw: DuncanT to me this sounded like "I want to have my custom keys" | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | edmondsw: ie not have them in the hosts ~/.ssh dir? No? | 16:22 |
| DuncanT | edmondsw: The problem is that if we change the default the currently working installs grind to a halt, don't they? Or will the auto-add have stashed the key by then? | 16:22 |
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| jungleboyj | jgriffith: The new thing that came out of this is wanted to have a config option to support this. | 16:22 |
| edmondsw | jgriffith: might as well fix that while we're at it, but not, the issue is bigger than using a custom known_hosts file | 16:22 |
| markstur__ | auto-add should have stashed the keys by then. | 16:22 |
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| DuncanT | markstur__: Thanks | 16:22 |
| markstur__ | but what they "used to do" won't work the next time in a clean env | 16:22 |
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| DuncanT | markstur__: I'm far less concerned about that, though we could still default to auto-add and let packagers harden if they want | 16:23 |
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| edmondsw | right now some things are using auto-add, some things are using warnings (which log but then continue). I'm not sure anything is actually rejecting when keys don't match, that I saw | 16:23 |
| asselin_ | hi | 16:23 |
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| jungleboyj | asselin_: Welcome. | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | edmondsw: indeed... ok that I agree is poor | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | I'd propose we focus on fixing the lack of security here first | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: +1 | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | then revisit the idea of letting each driver add a custom key file/location | 16:24 |
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| markstur__ | missing key policy should be configurable somewhere not hard-coded | 16:25 |
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| jgriffith | markstur__: I think what I'm saying is there shouldn't be a "missing key policy" per say | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | you don't have the keys, or the keys don't match and your fail | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | s/your/you/ | 16:26 |
| avishay | i.e., policy == reject | 16:26 |
| edmondsw | jgriffith: my thought was that by supporting config settings to indicate what policy (and known_hosts... why not add that together?) you don't necessarily break anyone. | 16:26 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: That sounds like a safer default right now. | 16:26 |
| edmondsw | Could leave defaults as they are today, initially, and then revisit the defaults when we can work out how to not break folks | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | avishay: yeah | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | then why bother? | 16:26 |
| markstur__ | jgriffith: So RejectPolicy is the missing_key_policy -- but really it should be configurable for at-your-own-risk type environments (test) | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | honestly unless I'm missing something why have an option that says "you can do this insecurely if you want" | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | markstur__: why? | 16:27 |
| edmondsw | jgriffith: this allows operators to harden, without breaking anyone. Doesn't mean it's a final solution, but buys time to work out how to fully fix | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | markstur__: we don't do that for instances for example | 16:27 |
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| jgriffith | edmondsw: I guess I don't understand why we need to "buy time" rather than just fix it | 16:28 |
| edmondsw | jgriffith: we have other options to allow you to do things insecurely :) | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | it seems everybody feels this is poor / lacking in the realm of security features | 16:28 |
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| bswartz | +1 for having an option to do it insecurely for test/dev environments | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | edmondsw: ok... well, I guess I should defer to folks that actually need/use this :) | 16:28 |
| hemna | bswartz, +1 | 16:29 |
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| jgriffith | bswartz: can anybody explain why? | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: hemna ? | 16:29 |
| jungleboyj | edmondsw: I guess I am a little confused. Initially you were worried about security. So, why not just harden security? | 16:29 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: Breaking every install doc ever would be a downside of changing it to reject-by-default | 16:29 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: Details. ;-) | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: wouldn't be the first time :) frankly I'm not too worried about that, you just update docs | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | If we never "fixed" anything because we didn't want to update docs that would be sad | 16:29 |
| edmondsw | jungleboyj: yeah, I don't mean to come off the wrong way here... I was trying to stage the solution to help out | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Plus the failure should be pretty clear. | 16:30 |
| hemna | engineers update docs? | 16:30 |
| hemna | :P | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | hemna: bswartz still wondering about the advantage for a test option here? | 16:30 |
| avishay | hemna: just put docimpact and it's magic | 16:30 |
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| jungleboyj | edmondsw: The complication with new config options is that it really turns into a new feature and would be Juno only. | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | avishay: +1 :) | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | No way to backport. | 16:30 |
| hemna | avishay, :) | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: yes and that's how it should be IMO | 16:30 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: You asked for an example of why you might not want to go default=reject straight away. I'm fine with new installs breaking as long as upgrades don't, and it sounds like the key /should/ be cached for all running installs, so we're good there | 16:30 |
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| edmondsw | jungleboyj: can't be Juno only... we need to backport | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: uh oh... are we agreeing again :) | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | edmondsw: why? | 16:31 |
| bswartz | if forcing a secure option is not a large burden I'm not opposed to it but I know that people tend to take the path of least resistance when testing/developing and I don't see a problem with that | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | edmondsw: It doesn't fit the criteria IMO | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | edmondsw: it's a feature | 16:31 |
| markstur__ | jgriffith: re: why? -- Seems to me that if we harden someone, somewhere will need to loosen or write their own known host auto-add mechanisms. That is usually the intent, but it seems like a config is the better work-around. Does that answer the "why" way back up there that I missed? | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | Ok... let's back up | 16:31 |
| edmondsw | jgriffith: security vulnerability, not feature | 16:31 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: The advantage of being able to config it off is that for frequently reinstalled systems (e.g. gate), having to go fetch the key, outside of cinder, is a pain in the ass | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | I had two people that said "needs to be configurable to make their lives easier" | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | hemna: bswartz | 16:32 |
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| jgriffith | why does this matter for you? | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | as opposed to generating a key in the driver and actually using it? | 16:32 |
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| hemna | for testing/dev environments. I suppose we could automate it via a devstack local.sh though | 16:32 |
| edmondsw | jgriffith: "configurable to make their lives easier" can be a feature... but not rejecting when known_hosts doesn't match is a vulnerability | 16:32 |
| DuncanT | generating a key in the driver? How do you confirm that's the key on the device? That's the whole point.... | 16:32 |
| bswartz | I'm just throwing an opinion out there -- it doesn't matter to me | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: maybe I'm missing something here.... | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: I had assumed we'd have the driver setup keys during init | 16:33 |
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| bswartz | I don't use SSH so this won't impact me one way or the other | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: haha | 16:33 |
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| hemna | hehe | 16:33 |
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| DuncanT | jgriffith: No, that doesn't solve the MITM problem | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: +1 | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: ok, I'm missing something here | 16:33 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: To do it securely, you have to set up the keys outside of cinder, having confirmed they are really the ones from the SAN | 16:34 |
| edmondsw | jgriffith: "have the driver setup keys during init" meaning have it auto-add to known_hosts the first time it talks to the device? | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: ok, so that's fine as well IMO | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: have devstack setup do it | 16:34 |
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| jgriffith | edmondsw: yes, that's what I was thinking | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | edmondsw: and I'm still unclear on why that doesn't work | 16:34 |
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| jgriffith | but I'm not arguing :) | 16:35 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: auto-add by default means you can get hit by MITM at install time | 16:35 |
| avishay | jgriffith: someone can MITM during setup | 16:35 |
| edmondsw | jgriffith: better, but could still have had a MITM attack in progress when you make that first connection | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | avishay: how would they do that? | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | edmondsw: ahh... got it | 16:35 |
| jungleboyj | avishay: True. | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | ok | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | seems like a bit of a strecth to me but that's fine | 16:35 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: ARP spoof to steal the SAN IP, and fake a SAN? | 16:35 |
| avishay | jgriffith: we're talking 1337 h4x0rs here :) | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | I'd still just say we make strict key checking by default and set it up in devstack for devs | 16:36 |
| jungleboyj | Granted all of this is somewhat unlikely in provate clouds but once we have more hybrid clouds it becomes a bigger concern. | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: hybrid clouds... surely you jest! | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:36 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: auto-add on first connect as a default, with a fail-if-changed policy, matches your idea | 16:36 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Someone said they are coming. ;-) | 16:36 |
| edmondsw | this is why I was assuming we'd need a conf setting to specify the policy and the pre-configured known_hosts file to check against... so operator can set that up prior to first connect | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: correct | 16:36 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: And have a config option for super-strict you-sort-all-keys-in-advance mode | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: but honestly I'm also fine with stricter impl as well | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | and I'm failing to see why it's sooooo hard? | 16:37 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: For paranoid installs | 16:37 |
| bswartz | time check -- this topic has taken 20 minutes | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | just configure devstack to generate and setup keys | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | update docs | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | done | 16:37 |
| hemna | edmondsw, so an admin is going to have to build the known_hosts file for every SAN prior to starting Cinder ? | 16:37 |
| avishay | i think there is consensus | 16:37 |
| DuncanT | devstack is not the only fruit | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: you're just worried navneet won't get enough time :) | 16:37 |
| bswartz | jgriffith: yes! | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: :) | 16:37 |
| navneet | :) | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: navneet we'll cut over at 20 til | 16:38 |
| avishay | he is also worried that jgriffith won't have time | 16:38 |
| glenng | *chuckles* | 16:38 |
| edmondsw | hemna: if they want the strict security, yes. Could be configurable to allow less strictness, e.g. auto-add on first connect | 16:38 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: So, can we try to put together a quick plan for this? | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | hemna: do you want security or not :) | 16:38 |
| hemna | :P | 16:38 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: It sounds like this is something that we need to create a Blueprint for. Would you agree? | 16:38 |
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| jgriffith | edmondsw: that's a compromise at any rate. I could live with that but I don't see the point at all | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | especially if you all are saying "we have to backport" | 16:38 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: This is not a binary decision - turning security decusions into those tends to make from bad conclusions | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | then it seems it's not really that big of an issue IMO | 16:39 |
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| hemna | so can we at least dump something useful in the logs then, so an admin's job of building the known_hosts file isn't a mystery | 16:39 |
| edmondsw | my concern is strict security... if you want to have a config setting to allow less strictness, that's fine, but I won't use it :) | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: fair enough | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: although I'd say if someobdy files an OSS and says "OMG security issue, must backport to everywhere" then it does become a bit binary | 16:39 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: +2 ... I want to make sure we talk through this and com eup with a good solution. | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | Just sayin :) | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | Honestly I don't use SSH so not sure why I care ;) | 16:40 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: Security bods tend to suggest the sky is falling for whatever issue they've just found | 16:40 |
| avishay | time | 16:40 |
| hemna | edmondsw, +1. If it's configurable, then that makes test/dev environments easy to deal with. just set the auto-add config setting and away you go. | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | Oh.... wait... I remember, because Cinder shouldn't be a steaming pile o'crap | 16:40 |
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| jgriffith | hemna: just adding 3 lines of code to devstack/lib/cinder makes it even easier! | 16:41 |
| * jungleboyj notes that I would like to get a plan to go forward. | 16:41 | |
| jgriffith | Ok.... | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | time's up | 16:41 |
| * DuncanT suggests default to auto-add on first connect, have a config option for super-paranoid mode | 16:41 | |
| jgriffith | but real quick | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: +1 | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: edmondsw does that sound ok to you? | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | default auto-add on first connect, option to harden? | 16:42 |
| markstur__ | I think security cops would not like the auto-add default | 16:42 |
| edmondsw | DuncanT: +1 if that config option is two... policy and known_hosts location | 16:42 |
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| hemna | DuncanT, +1 | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | markstur__: I agree, but you guys keep shooting me down because apparantly it's "toooo hard" | 16:42 |
| hemna | markstur__, if it's configurable, then the security cops can be happy. | 16:42 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: jgriffith So, we keep current config for first connect and throw an error for subsequent changes. | 16:42 |
| DuncanT | edmondsw: Fine with me | 16:42 |
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| DuncanT | jungleboyj: +2 | 16:43 |
| edmondsw | and if that auto-add is only on first connect, and it will reject thereafter by checking against known_hosts | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | Ok... jungleboyj edmondsw markstur__ we good at least for a start? | 16:43 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Sounds good to me. Should we do this through a cinder-spec then? | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | navneet: I'm trying buddy :) | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: yes, it's def a feature | 16:43 |
| navneet | jgriffith: i understand :) | 16:43 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: No backport. | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: it's a feature, so that would mean no | 16:44 |
| edmondsw | jgriffith: need backport... have to fix security vulnerability in released versions | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: but I'll let others make a fuss if they like | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | haha | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | edmondsw: jungleboyj let's chat in #cinder after meeting | 16:44 |
| edmondsw | I can make a fuss :) | 16:44 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Ok, warned edmondsw that was going to be the answer. | 16:44 |
| avishay | OK, how about first come up with a solution, then see about backport? | 16:44 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Ok. | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | avishay: fair | 16:44 |
| * avishay looks at his watch :) | 16:45 | |
| * jungleboyj yields the floor. | 16:45 | |
| jgriffith | #topic Dynamic multi-pools | 16:45 |
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| jgriffith | navneet: you're up | 16:45 |
| navneet | jgiffith: the code is WIP | 16:45 |
| navneet | if somebody wants to gv early feedback | 16:45 |
| navneet | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/85760/ | 16:45 |
| navneet | its nearly done | 16:45 |
| avishay | navneet: what does WIP mean? still writing? can test? | 16:45 |
| bswartz | the main change since atlanta is added unit tests | 16:46 |
| navneet | avishay: I was but m done now for c-vol | 16:46 |
| navneet | some differences still not submitted | 16:46 |
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| navneet | ll do it soon | 16:46 |
| avishay | OK | 16:46 |
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| hemna | I'd still prefer a simpler approach that simply uses pools in volume types and pass the pool stats to the scheduler in the get_volume_stats | 16:46 |
| DuncanT | hemna: +1 | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | hemna: +1 | 16:47 |
| navneet | hemna: that does no sound like a clean approach | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | Mabye one of use should propose an alternate and we can all compare/contrast? | 16:47 |
| navneet | you need to make changes at many places | 16:47 |
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| hemna | I think if we do the simpler approach and it then still doesn't meet the needs of folks, we can try navneet's approach or something similar. | 16:47 |
| navneet | also the rpc layer | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | as long as the end result is the same should be ok no? | 16:47 |
| bswartz | hemna: that may sound simpler but the code change would be a lot more and scattered around | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: but that's the OS way!!! :) | 16:48 |
| DuncanT | navneet: Your approach changes the way the driver is called, in quite fundamental ways, I'm still far from convinced there aren't serious issues | 16:48 |
| navneet | bswartz: +1 | 16:48 |
| kmartin | navneet: we have been using that approach for sometime | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: seriously though, it might open the door to some other 'features/enhancements' in the future | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | it's more flexible | 16:48 |
| navneet | DuncanT: u can highlight the issues | 16:48 |
| DuncanT | navneet: Changing the driver from a singleton to having many is a big deal IMO | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: +1 | 16:48 |
| hemna | DuncanT, +1 | 16:48 |
| navneet | DuncanT: we do ti for multiple backends today | 16:48 |
| guitarzan | doesn't multibackend already do that? | 16:48 |
| navneet | we r just extending it for pools | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | navneet: actually no I don't think so | 16:49 |
| avishay | driver is not aware of multi-backend | 16:49 |
| DuncanT | navneet: Yeah, but they're talking to different backends | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | navneet: guitarzan driver is still a singleton | 16:49 |
| bswartz | navneet, DuncanT: the difference is multiple instances of the driver in one PID vs in different PIDs | 16:49 |
| bswartz | you can make multiple instances of a driver talk to a single backend today using multiple PIDs | 16:49 |
| DuncanT | navneet: e.g. now there'll be (NPOOLS x ssh connections) rather than one | 16:49 |
| navneet | DuncanT: you can have same endor and controller as diff backends too | 16:49 |
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| jgriffith | sighhh... | 16:49 |
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| DuncanT | bswartz: You can do that, but if you break it you get to keep both halves... you can't do it by accident | 16:50 |
| navneet | DuncanT: NPOOLs x ssh for management? | 16:50 |
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| jgriffith | Ok... so here's the thing | 16:50 |
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| jgriffith | bottom line is that we need the capability and we all agree on that | 16:50 |
| hemna | yup | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | implementation is still questionable | 16:50 |
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| DuncanT | jgriffith: +1 | 16:51 |
| bswartz | does someone want to volunteer to write the feature in the way hemna suggests? | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | I'd propose we all take a look at the WIP | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | test it, inspect it, try to break it | 16:51 |
| navneet | jgriffith: dats wat I wnt | 16:51 |
| hemna | bswartz, If I had the time I'd do it, but I'm buried right now. | 16:51 |
| avishay | jgriffith: +1 - no point in debating before looking at the code | 16:51 |
| bswartz | we could do it, but it will take time and we've already spent a bunch of time getting it right using the way we suggested | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | and if possible maybe look at an alternative approach via a prototype | 16:51 |
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| jgriffith | bswartz: I wouldn't expect you to have to do it | 16:51 |
| DuncanT | Gonna need time to beat on it... can we agree not to merge it before next meeting? I'd be happy with that as a starting point | 16:52 |
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| jgriffith | bswartz: you already proposed a solution as far as I'm concerned | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: +1000 | 16:52 |
| navneet | jgriffith: dats fine | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | I have no intention of approving that patch in the next week | 16:52 |
| DuncanT | Cool, I'll relax then | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | It's still a WIP so that shouldn't be a real risk | 16:52 |
| navneet | jgriffith: I want to talk abt cinder back up | 16:52 |
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| avishay | so let's all try to do a high-level review at least, think if there is a better alternative, and reconvene next week? | 16:53 |
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| jgriffith | navneet: you have two minutes | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | avishay: that sounds good | 16:53 |
| DuncanT | avishay: +1 | 16:53 |
| navneet | the backup is not written right | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | #topic cinder-backup | 16:53 |
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| jgriffith | navneet: haha... you know how to make friends | 16:53 |
| navneet | as far as back up manager is concerned | 16:53 |
| DuncanT | navneet: Details? | 16:53 |
| navneet | jgriffith: it does a lot of routing stuff in the manager | 16:53 |
| avishay | DuncanT: stop being so defensive ;) | 16:53 |
| navneet | which should be handled at the rpc layer | 16:54 |
| navneet | DuncanT: just said | 16:54 |
| DuncanT | navneet: scheduler IMO | 16:54 |
| navneet | it routes calls to backends in the mgr | 16:54 |
| navneet | no manager | 16:54 |
| bswartz | navneet is referring to the way the c-bak service handles incoming RPC messages | 16:54 |
| avishay | navneet: yes, because there is no backup scheduler | 16:54 |
| bswartz | the code is in the wrong place | 16:55 |
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| navneet | avishay: | 16:55 |
| bswartz | and he's proposing a fix | 16:55 |
| navneet | yes | 16:55 |
| navneet | the rpc calls all got the same host | 16:55 |
| DuncanT | navneet: It was done that way because it broke otherwise - originally there was a backup scheduler, but it broke stuff... most of the stuff is now fixed, I'd be totally fine with bringing back a backup scheduler | 16:55 |
| navneet | which needs to change | 16:55 |
| navneet | and go as per the backends | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | navneet: cool | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | navneet: sounds like someone interested should propose a spec/bp | 16:56 |
| bswartz | anyways there's not much point talking about it before the code is available, so expect that soon as well | 16:56 |
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| navneet | jgriffith,DuncanT: m proposing a fix | 16:56 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: actually | 16:56 |
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| navneet | tchange it to handle msg better | 16:56 |
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| jgriffith | navneet: great... spec/bp please | 16:56 |
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| navneet | jgriffith: sure | 16:56 |
| avishay | 4 min | 16:56 |
| jgriffith | anything else navneet ? | 16:56 |
| DuncanT | navneet: Certainly I'm interested in seeing it... I agree on the issue existing | 16:56 |
| navneet | jgriffith: applies to pools support for back up too | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | navneet: I got that :) | 16:57 |
| navneet | jgriffith: ok ll propose a blueprint | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | navneet: but this is an example where I think the "other" method would be cleaner | 16:57 |
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| avishay | speaking of proposing blueprints... | 16:57 |
| navneet | jriffith: no thats not true | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | avishay: LOL | 16:57 |
| navneet | current ways are a mess | 16:57 |
| bswartz | the fix should be small | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | navneet: ok... ok | 16:57 |
| avishay | jgriffith: how do we propose specs? | 16:58 |
| avishay | jgriffith: what is the process? | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | #topic specs and bp's | 16:58 |
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| * jungleboyj has one in process now | 16:58 | |
| jgriffith | avishay: I'm glad you asked :) | 16:58 |
| avishay | jgriffith: :) | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | So the idea is something like this | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | You may have noticed that BP's sometimes go into a bit of a black hole | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | I miss things (what can I say, I'm human) | 16:59 |
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| jgriffith | and LP sucks for trying to search/sort | 16:59 |
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| jgriffith | and LP doesn't force things like good details when proposing a bp | 16:59 |
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| jgriffith | Soooooo | 16:59 |
| * bswartz has noticed the blackhole phenomenon on LP | 16:59 | |
| jgriffith | cinder-specs | 16:59 |
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| jgriffith | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+cinder-specs,n,z | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | The idea is that it does not replace BP's | 16:59 |
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| jgriffith | BUT | 16:59 |
| DuncanT | We using the nova template initially? | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | it triggers targetting of BP's | 17:00 |
| jgriffith | and get's the restof the Cinder team actively engaged in reviewing proposals | 17:00 |
| jgriffith | best of all it forces some additional clarity and detail | 17:00 |
| jgriffith | The process goes like this: | 17:00 |
| jgriffith | 1. Submit a BP | 17:00 |
| jgriffith | 2. Submit a detailed spec | 17:00 |
| bswartz | is it smart to put the specs in a whole different repo? | 17:00 |
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| jgriffith | ie: git clone openstack/cinder-specs | 17:00 |
| jgriffith | git chekcout -b my-change | 17:01 |
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| jgriffith | add your yaml file blah blah blah | 17:01 |
| jgriffith | git commit -a | 17:01 |
| jgriffith | git review | 17:01 |
| jgriffith | 3. Cinder folks get to review, comment etc etc | 17:01 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: So we need to submit the BP before creating the Spec? | 17:01 |
| jgriffith | If / When approved spec gets approved and merges | 17:01 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: yes | 17:01 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Ok. | 17:01 |
| jungleboyj | Good to know. | 17:02 |
| jgriffith | then jgriffith goes in an targets the BP | 17:02 |
| jgriffith | anything that's not targetted will now just "fall" off the radar on the milestone targets | 17:02 |
| jgriffith | we'll cull them automagically | 17:02 |
| jgriffith | and avoid this business of folks adding/approving their own BP's willy nilly without me or anybody else konwing about them | 17:02 |
| jgriffith | make sense? | 17:02 |
| avishay | reviewers - make sure you add the new repo to your gerrit filters so you don't forget about those patches (like what happens with cinderclient) :) | 17:03 |
| garyk | is there the vmware meeting now? | 17:03 |
| bswartz | +1 | 17:03 |
| avishay | garyk: finishing up | 17:03 |
| jgriffith | garyk: yeah.. sorry | 17:03 |
| garyk | avishay: thanks! | 17:03 |
| jgriffith | I'm late :( | 17:03 |
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| garyk | np. take your time | 17:03 |
| jgriffith | ok... that's all I've got | 17:03 |
| avishay | jgriffith: awesome, like the idea | 17:03 |
| jgriffith | you can hit me up in #openstack-cinder for question | 17:03 |
| jgriffith | avishay: I think it will help A LOT | 17:03 |
| avishay | agreed | 17:03 |
| * jgriffith wishes he could take credit for the idea :( | 17:03 | |
| jgriffith | Ok... | 17:03 |
| avishay | :) | 17:03 |
| jgriffith | thanks everybody!!!! | 17:03 |
| jgriffith | #endmeeting | 17:04 |
| avishay | adios! | 17:04 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 28 17:04:03 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:04 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-05-28-16.00.html | 17:04 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-05-28-16.00.log.html | 17:04 |
| tjones | #startmeeting vmwareapi | 17:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 28 17:04:09 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tjones. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:04 |
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| tjones | ok lets go! thanks garyk for kicking out cinder. i was distracted | 17:04 |
| browne | hi | 17:04 |
| tjones | who else is here? | 17:04 |
| rgerganov | howdy | 17:04 |
| garyk | hi | 17:04 |
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| tjones | anyone from HP here? | 17:05 |
| garyk | sorry for missing the last few weeks - travel, summit, family ... | 17:05 |
| tjones | no worries gary | 17:05 |
| tjones | glad to hav eyou back | 17:05 |
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| arnaud | hi | 17:05 |
| tjones | ok lets get going. BP first | 17:05 |
| tjones | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1322926 | 17:05 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1322926 in nova "Hyper-V driver volumes are attached incorrectly when multiple iSCSI servers are present" [High,Triaged] | 17:06 |
| tjones | what?? | 17:06 |
| tjones | #undo | 17:06 |
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| tjones | try again | 17:06 |
| tjones | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova-specs+message:vmware,n,z | 17:06 |
| tjones | these are BP in review | 17:06 |
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| tjones | anyone have one they want to discuss? | 17:07 |
| garyk | tjones: i need to make a few updates after commens to the spbm spec | 17:07 |
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| arnaud | tjones, who continues the ephemeral disk support? | 17:07 |
| tjones | arnaud: i was just typing that | 17:08 |
| garyk | arnaud: i'll take that one | 17:08 |
| arnaud | ok | 17:08 |
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| tjones | garyk: can you update the link with you as owner? | 17:08 |
| garyk | tjones: sure. | 17:08 |
| arnaud | garyk, if you too busy, I can look take it (just to let you know :)) | 17:08 |
| garyk | arnaud: i am always busy. lets load balance | 17:09 |
| tjones | ok j-1 is coming in something like 2 weeks. clearly non of these are going to make it, but i would like to have an understanding of which are j-2 and j-3 | 17:09 |
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| tjones | garyk: sounds like spbm could make j-2. maybe ephemeral since it is pretty small. anyone around for the others? | 17:10 |
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| tjones | kiran, vincent,?? | 17:10 |
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| tjones | ok lets move on | 17:10 |
| tjones | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack?searchtext=vmware | 17:10 |
| tjones | approved BP | 17:11 |
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| tjones | spawn refactor…. so close.... | 17:11 |
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| garyk | nice to see that it is moving | 17:11 |
| tjones | waiting on 1 last +2 on test for spawn and power_off | 17:11 |
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| garyk | hopefully it will get the relevant review cycles. | 17:11 |
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| tjones | vuil: i think you have the ball next for finishing phase 2 and then phase 3 right? | 17:12 |
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| rgerganov | there was an email about this effort on openstack-dev | 17:12 |
| garyk | tjones: i think that vui us is a meeting | 17:12 |
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| vuil | yep. sorry I was on a call. | 17:12 |
| tjones | duh - he just told me that | 17:12 |
| garyk | he is working on the additional phases | 17:12 |
| vuil | Yep reorg-ing the patches. Should send them out within the next two days. | 17:13 |
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| garyk | rgerganov: do you have a link to that mail? | 17:13 |
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| tjones | vuil: excellent. once you have posted, lets all review like mad and try to get this in j-1. I suspect that is too agressive but we can give it a shot | 17:13 |
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| garyk | tjones: the hot plug code has been in review for a while. sadly no scores | 17:14 |
| rgerganov | garyk: http://osdir.com/ml/openstack-dev/2014-05/msg01891.html | 17:14 |
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| tjones | the other 2 approved BP are use-oslo (not ready for review) and hot-plug. | 17:14 |
| garyk | rgerganov: thanks | 17:15 |
| rgerganov | garyk: I have some concerns about the hotplug; I think we need to add some classes | 17:15 |
| tjones | #action please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/59365/ | 17:15 |
| garyk | rgerganov: ok, i think that you mentioned it on the review. i'll take a look at that again | 17:15 |
| rgerganov | garyk: ok, great | 17:15 |
| tjones | #action please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/91005/ (related to hot plug) | 17:15 |
| tjones | anything else on BP ? | 17:15 |
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| garyk | tjones: i am not sure if the esx deprecation should be a BP | 17:16 |
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| garyk | i am in the process of drawing up a plan. when it is ready i'll send it to the list | 17:16 |
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| tjones | garyk: mikal just wanted am email to the ML on how users could move from using the ESX driver to the VC driver | 17:17 |
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| tjones | i suspect this work is large enought for the BP though. do you disagree? | 17:17 |
| garyk | tjones: ok, i'll send that soon. just need to flush out a few issues | 17:17 |
| garyk | i think that it can be done without a bp, i'd just like to send a plan to the list for more clarity to others | 17:18 |
| tjones | ok | 17:18 |
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| tjones | lets move to bugs then | 17:18 |
| tjones | #topic bugs | 17:18 |
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| tjones | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=vmware | 17:18 |
| tjones | we have a ton | 17:18 |
| tjones | 69 | 17:18 |
| tjones | this does not seem to be going down - we are really stagnant with bugs | 17:19 |
| rgerganov | I can take a bug if someone is overloaded | 17:19 |
| tjones | i am going to organize a bug day next week for over overall | 17:19 |
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| arnaud | tjones, the problem is that some bugs overlap with the refactoring | 17:19 |
| tjones | arnaud: yes unfortunaltely you are right | 17:19 |
| browne | rgerganov: i have a few assigned to me. i can give you one of mine if you link | 17:20 |
| browne | like | 17:20 |
| arnaud | browne, same here | 17:20 |
| tjones | this is our most critical bug #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1321381 | 17:20 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1321381 in nova "VMware: Ports are not cleaned up after reschedule" [High,Confirmed] | 17:20 |
| garyk | tjones: arnaud: i do not think that the refactor should stop us from solving bugs. | 17:20 |
| rgerganov | browne: you have one about memory leaks, do you mind to take it? | 17:20 |
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| browne | rgerganov: sure all yours | 17:20 |
| garyk | we will need to backport to icehouse in most cases | 17:20 |
| rgerganov | ok, I will give it a try | 17:21 |
| tjones | lets focus on bugs that do not touch the spawn method for now. there are plenty | 17:21 |
| garyk | tjones: we are still investigating. | 17:21 |
| browne | rgerganov: i assigned to you | 17:21 |
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| rgerganov | browne: ok | 17:21 |
| tjones | #action take a look at your bugs and if you are not activly working on them, remove your name from assignee | 17:21 |
| garyk | that is incidently on havana. | 17:21 |
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| arnaud | can we list the bugs that are not assigned and need to be fixed? | 17:22 |
| tjones | of the 69 bugs, only 20 are unassigned. I think we are all sitting on bugs that we are not working on | 17:22 |
| arnaud | (important) | 17:22 |
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| tjones | here is the unassinged list http://tinyurl.com/oet5xkm | 17:22 |
| arnaud | awesome thks tjones | 17:23 |
| tjones | ok anything else on bugs? | 17:23 |
| tjones | i just unassigned my 2 bugs because i had not touched them in a month. please do the same | 17:24 |
| garyk | i have a critivial one in review | 17:24 |
| tjones | link please? | 17:24 |
| garyk | https://review.openstack.org/86115 | 17:24 |
| tjones | why critical? | 17:24 |
| tjones | #action - please review http://tinyurl.com/oet5xkm | 17:25 |
| tjones | #undo | 17:25 |
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| garyk | it eats away a tone of space on the datastore - that is takes up twice the amout of space | 17:25 |
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| tjones | #action please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/86115/ | 17:25 |
| tjones | good one | 17:25 |
| rgerganov | is it OK to write unit tests for vmops.py in test_driver_api.py? | 17:26 |
| tjones | #topic open discussion | 17:26 |
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| rgerganov | I got the impression that some of the core reviewers disagreed on that | 17:26 |
| tjones | rgerganov: why not write them in vmops? | 17:26 |
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| tjones | rgerganov: yes i have something from matt on that. let me dig it up | 17:26 |
| vuil | should write in test_vmops.py | 17:26 |
| rgerganov | that was the reason to -1 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/86115/ but wasn't completely sure | 17:27 |
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| tjones | i can't find it | 17:28 |
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| tjones | i think we need to continue to add tests to test_vmops | 17:29 |
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| tjones | anytihng else for discussion? | 17:30 |
| tjones | Im going to start sending out a weekly email on vmwareapi so it's clear to everyone what we are doing and what our priories are. | 17:30 |
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| tjones | ok if nothing else..... | 17:32 |
| tjones | we can have 1/2 hour back | 17:32 |
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| tjones | going once…. | 17:32 |
| tjones | ok thanks for joining everyone. have a nice week | 17:33 |
| tjones | #endmeeting | 17:33 |
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| portante_ | Hello | 19:02 |
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| briancline | howdy | 19:02 |
| torgomatic | hi | 19:03 |
| cschwede_ | Hey | 19:03 |
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| portante_ | Is there a swift team meeting | 19:03 |
| notmyname | oh, yeah. sorry | 19:03 |
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| notmyname | thanks for using the word "swift" ;-) | 19:03 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 19:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 28 19:03:58 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 19:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 19:04 |
| notmyname | should be a very short meeting I think | 19:04 |
| portante_ | K | 19:04 |
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| notmyname | #info storage policies patches have been proposed to master. swift is in a soft freeze | 19:04 |
| notmyname | first patch is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/96026/ | 19:04 |
| notmyname | last patch (if you want to see the whole thing) is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/96049/ | 19:05 |
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| notmyname | #action everyone review these patches | 19:05 |
| notmyname | any questions on how this is working, what to do, or anything else related to storage policies? | 19:05 |
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| briancline | is the soft freeze to avoid overlapping rebase issues, or to freeze for a release? | 19:06 |
| notmyname | two reasons | 19:06 |
| notmyname | first, to avoid as much rebasing as possible | 19:06 |
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| notmyname | second, to prioritize the review of storage policies since it is so big. faster reviews == sooner integration | 19:07 |
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| notmyname | and there will certainly be a swift release once storage policies have landed on master | 19:07 |
| notmyname | raise your hand (o/) if there are other questions | 19:08 |
| notmyname | ok, moving on | 19:09 |
| notmyname | #topic other post-summit progress | 19:09 |
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| notmyname | just a brief update on a couple of things | 19:09 |
| notmyname | well mostly just the idea of core sponsors | 19:09 |
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| notmyname | I started building a wiki page for it, and I've worked with -infra some on getting some tools that may be helpful | 19:10 |
| notmyname | just to say "nothing to report yet, but it's not forgotten" | 19:10 |
| notmyname | swift-specs is also working its way through -infra | 19:10 |
| notmyname | both of those are secondary to the storage policy reviews | 19:11 |
| notmyname | gvernik: you added to the meeting wiki page concern about triaging bugs | 19:11 |
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| notmyname | gvernik: aside from "we should be better", did you have anything you wanted to specifically address there? | 19:12 |
| gvernik | yeah, well.. I just wanted to raise this issue | 19:12 |
| notmyname | and to be clear, I'm not trivializing your concern. I share it | 19:12 |
| gvernik | nothing else to add, i think it's big mess with bugs, not clear what is in progress what patches committed | 19:13 |
| notmyname | gvernik: my hope is that the core sponsors idea we discussed at the summit will help with some of the logistics like that | 19:13 |
| cschwede_ | gvernik: sometimes it even happens that the bug is not automatically assigned, even if there is a „closes-bug“ in the commit message for a patch | 19:13 |
| cschwede_ | that’s no excuse, but happens - unfortunately; don’t know why | 19:14 |
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| gvernik | the current situation, you see open bug that nobody works on it, but the git already contains patch | 19:14 |
| notmyname | gvernik: ya, keeping that in sync is a very manual process. therefore easy to get off track | 19:15 |
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| notmyname | #topic open discussion | 19:15 |
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| notmyname | anything else to cover? (go do storage policy reviews) | 19:15 |
| notmyname | ok. thanks for coming and for your work on swift :-) | 19:17 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 19:17 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 28 19:17:21 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:17 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-05-28-19.03.html | 19:17 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-05-28-19.03.txt | 19:17 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-05-28-19.03.log.html | 19:17 |
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