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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 26 15:01:37 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'xenapi' | 15:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | howdy | 15:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | who is around today? | 15:01 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I have a hard stop at 15.30, which I hope doesn't disrupt things | 15:02 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #topic Blueprints | 15:02 |
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| johnthetubaguy | OK, nothing here then | 15:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | PCI passthrough got merged at least | 15:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic QA | 15:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | we need to monitor the bug queue, now we have blueprints merged | 15:06 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #help find the key bugs for icehouse and xenapi | 15:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | #info XenServer CI is happily reporting on patches now | 15:07 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #topic Open Discussion | 15:07 |
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| johnthetubaguy | OK, so its just me this week then | 15:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | Good bye mr meeting bot | 15:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | #endmeeting | 15:07 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 26 15:07:31 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:07 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-02-26-15.01.html | 15:07 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-02-26-15.01.txt | 15:07 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-02-26-15.01.log.html | 15:07 |
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| hartsocks | Who's around? | 17:03 |
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| dims | o/ | 17:03 |
| vincent_hou | Hi | 17:03 |
| browne | here | 17:03 |
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| hartsocks | #startmeeting vmwareapi | 17:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 26 17:03:54 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hartsocks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:03 |
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| hartsocks | Hi folks. | 17:04 |
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| hartsocks | We're closing in on a blueprint deadline. | 17:04 |
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| hartsocks | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Icehouse_Release_Schedule | 17:04 |
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| hartsocks | March 6th is the official FF for IceHouse … but I think it's good form for those of us with open blueprints to have things ready to go early. | 17:05 |
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| hartsocks | I've got about 5 blueprints I'm either contributing to or running down myself and 2 of them are going to be close. | 17:06 |
| hartsocks | But on that note... | 17:06 |
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| hartsocks | #topic blueprints | 17:06 |
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| hartsocks | Who has a blueprint they need to discuss? | 17:06 |
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| hartsocks | BTW | 17:07 |
| hartsocks | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/vmware-subteam-icehouse | 17:07 |
| vincent_hou | I have just registered a new one. | 17:07 |
| hartsocks | It's past proposal deadline but if it is important enough we could get an exception | 17:07 |
| hartsocks | linke? | 17:07 |
| hartsocks | link/ | 17:07 |
| hartsocks | ? | 17:07 |
| vincent_hou | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/driver-specific-snapshot | 17:07 |
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| vincent_hou | The idea came from the vmware driver. | 17:08 |
| vincent_hou | It is an implementation of the snapshot, which could be specific to a certain driver. | 17:08 |
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| vincent_hou | I know vmware has different implementation for snapshot. | 17:09 |
| * hartsocks reading | 17:09 | |
| tjones | vincent_hou: any reason we couldn't push this to juno ? just asking cause it's very late in the cycle | 17:10 |
| hartsocks | yeah. I was about to ask that. | 17:10 |
| hartsocks | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/vmware-subteam-juno | 17:10 |
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| hartsocks | I've placed that on the list for Juno. We've not prioritized yet. | 17:10 |
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| hartsocks | I've not looked at that pad recently so the statuses for Juno BP may be wrong. | 17:11 |
| hartsocks | vincent_hou: sound good? | 17:11 |
| vincent_hou | Yep | 17:12 |
| hartsocks | okay. | 17:12 |
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| hartsocks | I like the idea a lot. | 17:12 |
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| vincent_hou | I have sent a mail to Shawn and Tracy before about some new features. | 17:13 |
| hartsocks | Maybe we can meet at the design summit and discuss it. | 17:13 |
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| tjones | sounds good | 17:13 |
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| tjones | sorry i have not gotten back to you - swammped with end of icehouse stff | 17:13 |
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| tjones | stuff | 17:13 |
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| garyk | sorry for joining late. stuck in traffic | 17:14 |
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| hartsocks | vincent_hou: yeah, this is a critical time for delivering icehouse code. | 17:14 |
| hartsocks | garyk: welcome | 17:14 |
| vincent_hou | tjones: that is OK. | 17:14 |
| garyk | hi. thanks | 17:14 |
| hartsocks | So with the icehouse deadline coming up… does anyone have any other blueprints they need to coordinate on? get help with? need reviews on? | 17:15 |
| vincent_hou | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/34903/ | 17:16 |
| garyk | we seem to have been getting nice reviews lately. hope it continues | 17:16 |
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| tjones | it sounded to me like deferral would be starting next week on BP that are done far enough along.. | 17:17 |
| vincent_hou | Can everyone take look at this? | 17:17 |
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| garyk | vincent_hou: i will look at that tomorrow. last time i checked it looked good and it looks like you addressed most comments. tahnks! | 17:17 |
| garyk | thanks | 17:17 |
| vincent_hou | greate | 17:17 |
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| vincent_hou | thanks, Gary. | 17:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | tjones: yep, we are deferring stuff that is not ready for core review already | 17:17 |
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| hartsocks | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/deploy-vcenter-templates-from-vmware-nova-driver | 17:18 |
| hartsocks | vincent_hou: looks like that BP is already deferred to 'next' | 17:18 |
| vincent_hou | OK. | 17:18 |
| hartsocks | yeah. sorry. both issues you brought up have already been pushed to Juno. It's very late in the cycle. | 17:19 |
| garyk | there could be a slight chance it gets in if we have enough karma (that is +1's or 2's) | 17:19 |
| hartsocks | we would have to apply for an approval exception | 17:20 |
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| hartsocks | FFE is what they are called | 17:21 |
| hartsocks | (if anyone didn't already know) | 17:21 |
| hartsocks | Feature Freeze Exception | 17:21 |
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| tjones | johnthetubaguy: when things are deferred would we expect them to disappear from https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/icehouse-3 | 17:24 |
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| johnthetubaguy | tjones: unless I screwed up, yes | 17:25 |
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| hartsocks | Is there anything else to discuss on this topic? We can chat outside the meeting on #openstack-vmware if people need to discuss how to ask for an exception on the template blueprint. | 17:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | tjones: the comments should describe why | 17:26 |
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| tjones | im asking cause this one https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/vmware-image-cache-management is still there, but the comment says moved to next and i know it's VERY close to merging (already has 1 +2) | 17:26 |
| tjones | so i would have been surprised to see it defer | 17:27 |
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| hartsocks | johnthetubaguy: above comment | 17:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | tjones: looking | 17:29 |
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| johnthetubaguy | tjones: target milestone and service goal are still icehouse, so I guess it got missed | 17:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | which patches matter | 17:30 |
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| tjones | johnthetubaguy: most have merged already. i think this is the last bit https://review.openstack.org/#/c/56416/ | 17:31 |
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| johnthetubaguy | tjones: yes, but it depends on this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/63933/37 | 17:34 |
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| tjones | johnthetubaguy: ah yes i see that one now | 17:34 |
| tjones | those 2 | 17:34 |
| garyk | johnthetubaguy: yes, that is correct | 17:34 |
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| garyk | those 2 pacthes have been in revoe since middle of january. | 17:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | I updated the blueprint so its easy to see whats left now | 17:34 |
| garyk | johnthetubaguy: thanks! | 17:35 |
| hartsocks | awesome. | 17:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | no reason to defer that for sure | 17:35 |
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| tjones | johnthetubaguy: thanks | 17:35 |
| garyk | great. wonderful news | 17:35 |
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| hartsocks | Do we have any other BP that need to be covered just now? | 17:36 |
| vincent_hou | I have got a few new features to add for VMware drivers, and I can make a list with links for them. Can I send to everyone for review tomorrow? | 17:37 |
| vincent_hou | Is it ok for everyone? | 17:37 |
| hartsocks | vincient_hou: could you use #openstack-vmware for that? | 17:37 |
| garyk | vincent_hou: can you please elaborate about the new features | 17:37 |
| tjones | vincent_hou: sure - but realize that we are pretty focused on icehouse BP right now. but we are happy to look at stuff and talk at the summit. don;t want you to feel you are being ignored if we don;t reply quickly | 17:38 |
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| vincent_hou | OK. | 17:38 |
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| hartsocks | vincient_hou: so, yeah. Lots of new feature talk needs to be deferred to Juno. | 17:38 |
| rgerganov | hi, sorry for being late | 17:38 |
| hartsocks | rgerganov: we were just finishing up blueprint talk for icehouse-3 | 17:39 |
| rgerganov | hartsocks, ok thanks | 17:39 |
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| hartsocks | Some folks may have work they want to bring up for Juno and may want to use the design summit time to discuss that. | 17:40 |
| tjones | hartsocks: actually - we probably want to come up with the list head of the summit so we know what we want to discuss ;-) | 17:41 |
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| vincent_hou | yes. | 17:41 |
| hartsocks | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/vmware-subteam-juno | 17:41 |
| hartsocks | yeah. I did mean *that* | 17:42 |
| tjones | hartsocks: perfect | 17:42 |
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| hartsocks | So let's see about what we want to try and do in Juno and prep for May's summit after the Feature Freeze has passed. | 17:42 |
| hartsocks | We can use the etherpad to keep notes for later discussion. | 17:43 |
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| hartsocks | Shall I move on to bugs? | 17:43 |
| hartsocks | #topic bugs | 17:43 |
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| hartsocks | tjones: you're running the bug-scrub now any thing we should be more vigilant on? | 17:44 |
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| tjones | tagging would help - i found some obvious vmware ones that were not tagged. we just tried to tag all untagged bugs today. after that triage of vmware bugs | 17:45 |
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| hartsocks | I've been bad about keeping up on priority in the vmware queue lately. I'll take some time to examine the queue today. | 17:46 |
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| hartsocks | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/BugTriage | 17:46 |
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| tjones | also i have a report of bugs that are assigned but are not being touched. we will be unassigning them so others can pick them up | 17:47 |
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| tjones | particularly new people looking for bugs to work on | 17:47 |
| hartsocks | nice | 17:47 |
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| browne | how long is consider untouched? | 17:47 |
| tjones | 2 months | 17:48 |
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| tjones | i just made that number up but it seems right to me | 17:48 |
| hartsocks | that's more than fair really | 17:48 |
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| browne | yep that's fine | 17:48 |
| tjones | i'll do vmw bugs first and see if i get yelled at | 17:48 |
| hartsocks | heh | 17:48 |
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| hartsocks | I used to send a note via Launchpad every time I unassigned someone. I only ever caught flack once. | 17:49 |
| hartsocks | okay. so... | 17:50 |
| hartsocks | #topic open discusson | 17:50 |
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| rgerganov | what permissions do I need to set bug importance ? | 17:50 |
| rgerganov | I recently filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1284658 and I want to set it Low | 17:51 |
| hartsocks | done | 17:51 |
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| hartsocks | I don't know what permission I got handed back in Havana but suddenly I've been given the awesome super power of setting bug priority. | 17:51 |
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| garyk | you need to join the nova bugs team then you can change the priorities | 17:52 |
| tjones | wow! | 17:52 |
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| rgerganov | garyk, thanks, that answer my question | 17:52 |
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| hartsocks | I guess someone must have just added me to the nova bugs team I don't think I knew to join. | 17:53 |
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| hartsocks | Although techincially | 17:53 |
| hartsocks | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1284658 | 17:53 |
| hartsocks | needs to be triaged first | 17:54 |
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| hartsocks | +1 on the iterator idea though | 17:54 |
| rgerganov | hartsocks, yeah, I think an iterator would fit nicely here | 17:55 |
| tjones | rgerganov: congrats on your vnc port merge | 17:55 |
| rgerganov | tjones, thanks | 17:55 |
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| rgerganov | ndipanov was kind enough to review some of my work | 17:58 |
| hartsocks | any objection to ending 5 minutes early? | 17:58 |
| hartsocks | I think we all know what we need to focus on the next 7 days. | 17:58 |
| hartsocks | Okay. Thanks for attending the meeting everyone. | 17:58 |
| ndipanov | rgerganov, yeah - would like to see that refactoring soon... but really nice work | 17:59 |
| hartsocks | we're over on #openstack-vmware if folks still need to chat (and it doesn't fit on the main channels) | 18:00 |
| hartsocks | otherwise we need to yield the room | 18:00 |
| hartsocks | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 26 18:00:24 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2014/vmwareapi.2014-02-26-17.03.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2014/vmwareapi.2014-02-26-17.03.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2014/vmwareapi.2014-02-26-17.03.log.html | 18:00 |
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| hartsocks | ndipanov, rgerganov: sorry to cut you off there. | 18:00 |
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| rgerganov | hartsocks, no | 18:01 |
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| rgerganov | np | 18:01 |
| ndipanov | hartsocks, no you're not - you liked it :) | 18:01 |
| hartsocks | lol | 18:01 |
| rgerganov | :) | 18:01 |
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| hartsocks | I bet the FaaS people are taking the week off anyway | 18:01 |
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| notmyname | swift meeting time | 19:00 |
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| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 26 19:01:23 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 19:01 |
| peluse | hello hello | 19:01 |
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| notmyname | hello! | 19:02 |
| cschwede | hello! | 19:02 |
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| notmyname | I'm taking a "break" from a day-long swift workshop in new york | 19:02 |
| acoles- | hi | 19:02 |
| notmyname | glad to see you here :-) | 19:02 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 19:02 |
| notmyname | agenda ^ | 19:02 |
| torgomatic | and you're running a meeting on it? | 19:03 |
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| notmyname | swift meetings on swift? :-) | 19:03 |
| notmyname | I'm just sitting down to the side. rdaly is taking over in the workshop now | 19:03 |
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| torgomatic | I was gonna put something snarky here about the definition of "break", but I see one definition is "to crush the spirit of", so that actually seems applicable to most meetings ;) | 19:03 |
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| notmyname | lol | 19:03 |
| torgomatic | carry on | 19:04 |
| notmyname | not mush was added to the agenda, but let's see if we can spur some conversation anyway | 19:04 |
| notmyname | #topic next week's meeting? | 19:04 |
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| notmyname | just cause this will be fast | 19:04 |
| notmyname | I'll not be available for next week's meeting. would anyone else like to volunteer to lead it? | 19:05 |
| notmyname | if not, we can skip the meeting | 19:05 |
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| notmyname | hmm...not everyone at once ;-) | 19:06 |
| notmyname | ok | 19:06 |
| notmyname | #vote meeting next week? yes, no | 19:06 |
| luisbg | notmyname, unless there are new topics, it might be an empty meeting agenda like today | 19:07 |
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| peluse | #vote no | 19:07 |
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| notmyname | votebot fail ;-) | 19:07 |
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| torgomatic | if there's nothing to discuss, let's not have a meeting | 19:07 |
| notmyname | ok, let's assume no meeting next week | 19:07 |
| notmyname | indeed | 19:08 |
| notmyname | l#agreed no meeting next week (March 5) | 19:08 |
| notmyname | #agreed no meeting next week (March 5) | 19:08 |
| notmyname | #info no meeting next week (March 5) | 19:08 |
| notmyname | hmm | 19:08 |
| notmyname | well then | 19:08 |
| notmyname | ok, moving on. I think we got the point :-) | 19:08 |
| portante | no bot support | 19:08 |
| portante | #no bot support | 19:09 |
| notmyname | I'll update the wiki | 19:09 |
| notmyname | #topic storage policy status | 19:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "storage policy status (Meeting topic: swift)" | 19:09 | |
| peluse | from my end: 2 medium sized in need of reivew (starting to age) | 19:09 |
| peluse | 1) policy support for ssync | 19:09 |
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| peluse | 2) new feature rol report per policy account usage | 19:09 |
| torgomatic | clayg and I keep going back and forth on how to do the reconciler | 19:09 |
| torgomatic | turns out it's tricky :) | 19:09 |
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| peluse | you guys need a reconciler between the two of you? | 19:10 |
| notmyname | peluse: can you give links for that? | 19:10 |
| peluse | yes | 19:10 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: it's simple. just to it the right way | 19:10 |
| peluse | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/65347/ | 19:10 |
| peluse | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/73747/ | 19:10 |
| torgomatic | notmyname: exactly. https://xkcd.com/722/ | 19:10 |
| cschwede | peluse: I'll review the last one tomorrow morning - if that helps... | 19:11 |
| peluse | and Yuan has a few small swift client changes for policies as well https://review.openstack.org/#/c/73513/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/73920/ | 19:11 |
| notmyname | a, I want to get to the swift client in a bit | 19:11 |
| peluse | cschwede: that would be fantastic, thanks! | 19:11 |
| notmyname | cschwede: yes, thanks | 19:11 |
| torgomatic | peluse: the account HEAD one may need to be rebased on top of some other stuff I'm doing that omits some of what's in the patch chain... I'll update you once I have working code and not just piles of garbage | 19:12 |
| peluse | torgomatic: OK - can do. I have your last in the series as a dependency | 19:12 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: peluse: I added those patches to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/PriorityReviews (in case anyone looks at that ;-) | 19:12 |
| torgomatic | peluse: what I'm working on now keeps 1, 2, 3, and most of 5, but not 4, so... | 19:12 |
| peluse | OK, just let me know here to rebase from and I'll do it. ETA? | 19:13 |
| * peluse hopes for a small number of rebase based changes | 19:13 | |
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| torgomatic | peluse: shouldn't be too bad... I'm working on it today, so we'll see how that goes | 19:14 |
| peluse | torgomatic: thanks, will keep an eye out | 19:14 |
| * torgomatic keeps getting interrupted by non-Swift stuff at work | 19:14 | |
| torgomatic | (not including this meeting; this was *scheduled*) | 19:14 |
| torgomatic | that's all I've got for status | 19:15 |
| notmyname | thanks | 19:15 |
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| peluse | notmyname: I think those are all of the remaining policy patches (what we just discussed) | 19:15 |
| notmyname | great | 19:15 |
| notmyname | good to know | 19:15 |
| notmyname | #topic dates | 19:15 |
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| peluse | also, FYI, trello is up to date | 19:15 |
| notmyname | ok a few things here (and following up on storage policies) | 19:15 |
| notmyname | peluse: thanks | 19:16 |
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| notmyname | working backwards, we'll need an RC for Icehouse by March 28 | 19:16 |
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| notmyname | looking at the merge to master of the featre/ec branch, that gives us about 5 weeks, i think | 19:17 |
| peluse | tic toc | 19:17 |
| notmyname | yes | 19:17 |
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| * torgomatic loves time-based releases | 19:18 | |
| notmyname | also, looking at that, I marked master as swift 1.13 earlier this week. so we've got the RC for 1.13 out now. if nothing comes up, then tomorrow or friday will mark that as 1.13 | 19:18 |
| torgomatic | no, wait, not love... the other one | 19:18 |
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| notmyname | that gives us a checkpoint of features before storage policies land | 19:18 |
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| peluse | notmyname: I can come out to SanFran for a day if we want to all clear our calendars and knock out the last reviews and try to come to consensus on the reconclier if that would help | 19:19 |
| notmyname | the importance of the icehouse release is the huge availability and marketing boost that the feature gets when it's included | 19:19 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: thoughts on that? ^ | 19:19 |
| torgomatic | notmyname: the splutterings and facial expressions don't serialize well to text | 19:20 |
| notmyname | :-) | 19:20 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: peluse: ok, we'll discuss that later. let's say "maybe" now | 19:20 |
| peluse | OK, via email - let me know | 19:20 |
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| * portante Red Hat would like to see such an effort on review done for acc/con backend | 19:21 | |
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| notmyname | portante: ya, good point | 19:21 |
| notmyname | portante: noted | 19:21 |
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| peluse | portante: FYI I reviewed it and had some questions, looks like its in need of rebase at the moment | 19:21 |
| portante | peluse: great | 19:21 |
| portante | hopefully zaitcev will chime in on current state | 19:21 |
| portante | when we get to that part of the meeting ... ;) | 19:22 |
| notmyname | heh, ok | 19:22 |
| peluse | it was good learning and I plan on going over it again after zaitcev's responses | 19:22 |
| notmyname | any other questions on upcoming dates? | 19:22 |
| notmyname | ok | 19:22 |
| notmyname | #topic open reviews | 19:23 |
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| notmyname | there was a bug reported about swiftclient 2.x not supporting manifests | 19:23 |
| notmyname | any news on that? | 19:23 |
| torgomatic | just tried it; seems to fix things | 19:23 |
| notmyname | when that's fixed, I can cut a 2.0.3 | 19:23 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: patch in gerrit? | 19:23 |
| cschwede | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/76102/ | 19:24 |
| torgomatic | notmyname: yes | 19:24 |
| zaitcev | peluse: I'll redo it today and reply to your questions. I was sadly behind on EC as well... soo... I'll reply you on PBE first and then circle back to policies branch, see what's left. | 19:24 |
| notmyname | ah, cool. thanks clayg | 19:24 |
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| notmyname | and zaitcev just answered my next question :-) | 19:24 |
| peluse | zaitcev: thanks! | 19:24 |
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| * portante apologizes profusely for having to drop off of swift reviews for the last three weeks | 19:26 | |
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| notmyname | portante: looking forward to having you back :-) | 19:26 |
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| notmyname | what other open reviews do we have now that need to be addressed here? | 19:26 |
| portante | can't wait to run up that review queue | 19:26 |
| notmyname | :-) | 19:26 |
| torgomatic | straw poll on the py3-support ones in Swift: do folks like them, dislike them, or are indifferent to them? | 19:27 |
| * torgomatic doesn't like them at all | 19:27 | |
| portante | torgomatic: the ones that are outstanding for review? | 19:28 |
| notmyname | I see them as code churn that doesn't do anything effective yet | 19:28 |
| torgomatic | portante: yeah, the pile of those that has shown up in the last few days | 19:28 |
| torgomatic | notmyname: completely agreed | 19:28 |
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| zaitcev | I don't mind py3, but they seem like avoiding the really tough problems of unicode, so they do nothing to help us move over to py3 if we ever decide on it. | 19:29 |
| notmyname | if we know we can't support py3 because of dependencies, then it's hard to justify code churn of that magnified | 19:29 |
| torgomatic | so if nobody really loves them, I'll keep on rejecting them; I just want to make sure there's not strong positive feelings about py3 stuff RIGHT NOW | 19:29 |
| portante | I don't mind them, if they ensure changes are 100% covered, and every module touched is brought up to 100% coverage, and functional tests are written to exercise the code changed | 19:29 |
| zaitcev | We can convert all the print statements and then fail in the end due to utf-8 | 19:29 |
| notmyname | I'm scared of similar things that we had with the hacking changes that removed bare excepts | 19:29 |
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| cschwede | portante: that's a very long wish list ;-) | 19:29 |
| notmyname | cschwede: thanks ok :-) | 19:30 |
| notmyname | cschwede: *that's | 19:30 |
| portante | I think of it as cost of entry for changes like that | 19:30 |
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| cschwede | portante: well, i strongly agree on that, more tests first! | 19:30 |
| portante | if somebody just wants to refactor code and does not offer real test improvement to offset possible issues introduced with changes, then ... | 19:30 |
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| zaitcev | Alex brought up the last py3 thing, so I take it his actual position of py3 is that of acceptance despite his blog posturing. | 19:30 |
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| notmyname | eh | 19:31 |
| notmyname | heh | 19:31 |
| notmyname | portante: zaitcev: did you want to spend explicit time on the storage backends stuff? | 19:31 |
| portante | yes | 19:32 |
| zaitcev | notmyname: absolutely, anything that helps | 19:32 |
| notmyname | #topic stoage backends | 19:32 |
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| notmyname | #topic storage backends | 19:32 |
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| zaitcev | oh | 19:32 |
| notmyname | :-) | 19:32 |
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| notmyname | historically, changes like this have benefited from in-person meetings | 19:33 |
| portante | so Red Hat really wants to see this acc/con backends land | 19:33 |
| portante | agreed | 19:33 |
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| portante | this particular patch set has been out for a long time | 19:33 |
| portante | we'd like to work how to get it landed | 19:33 |
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| zaitcev | The status is that we had the patch outstanding for a while and I poked and prodded Luis, the actual consumer of it on Gluster side, to agree to it despite some reservations. | 19:33 |
| portante | my management has asked us to convey that priority clearly | 19:33 |
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| notmyname | portante: thanks | 19:34 |
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| portante | we can do more work on our end to demonstrate the patch readiness and consumability, too | 19:34 |
| notmyname | ok | 19:34 |
| portante | but, notmyname, I think you are right, f-2-f really helps with this kind of thing | 19:34 |
| zaitcev | I think the patch will serve Gluster's needs, e.g. it's complete as far as APIs go, and thus it should be a good basis for other possible users. Of course I did my best to keep it being generic in mind. | 19:34 |
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| zaitcev | Luis' desire was for better documentation in that he wanted an abstract class with docstrings. | 19:35 |
| zaitcev | Instead, we compromised on mem_backend.py, from which new backends can copy-paste big chunks if they want. | 19:35 |
| zaitcev | Even got tests :-) | 19:36 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: can you get it rebased against master soon? | 19:36 |
| zaitcev | notmyname: I'll get right on it | 19:36 |
| notmyname | thanks | 19:36 |
| peluse | sorry - who is Luis? | 19:36 |
| notmyname | peluse: gluster-swift person | 19:36 |
| zaitcev | (althogh my wife is hovering around and prods me to go eat after this meeting) | 19:36 |
| peluse | thanks | 19:36 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: that's ok, I'm just going to go back to workshop and meetup after this ;-) | 19:37 |
| notmyname | ok, anything else on this topic? | 19:37 |
| notmyname | portante: zaitcev: ? | 19:37 |
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| portante | notmyname: not from me | 19:38 |
| acoles- | out of curiosity is there any precedence for face to face between summits? | 19:38 |
| portante | let's start there | 19:38 |
| notmyname | ok | 19:38 |
| notmyname | acoles-: yes, we had one last fall in auston | 19:38 |
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| notmyname | and we'll have another after atlanta (I'm working with peluse on logistics now) | 19:38 |
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| notmyname | acoles-: and there have been some one-off things | 19:39 |
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| notmyname | some of which I've been a part of and some I haven't | 19:39 |
| acoles- | notmyname: yeah , i wondered if the hackathon thing might repeat | 19:39 |
| notmyname | acoles-: ya, I think we all want it to | 19:39 |
| notmyname | #topic open discussion | 19:39 |
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| notmyname | better topic for it, or anything else | 19:40 |
| acoles- | another quick question from me... | 19:40 |
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| acoles- | anyone aware of activity on keystone v3 support in swift | 19:40 |
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| acoles- | swiftclient? | 19:40 |
| notmyname | acoles-: I don't know of any. cschwede? | 19:41 |
| zaitcev | Not me. But if anyone brings up a patch, I'll be happy to look. | 19:41 |
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| notmyname | in swiftclient (there shouldn't be anything in swift itself AFAIK) | 19:41 |
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| acoles- | yep that was a typo :) | 19:41 |
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| cschwede | acoles-: notmyname will have a look | 19:41 |
| torgomatic | if any of that stuff leaks into swift, we've done something wrong :) | 19:41 |
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| zaitcev | Well, about that, guys. | 19:42 |
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| acoles- | cshwede: thanks | 19:42 |
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| zaitcev | I am not sure that keeping authtoken in Keystone is so great, in view what I had to do to make it webob-free. | 19:42 |
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| notmyname | zaitcev: isnt' that used by every project? | 19:43 |
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| cschwede | notmyname: no, afaik only swift? | 19:43 |
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| zaitcev | well that was the theory | 19:43 |
| notmyname | cschwede: that's news to me, then. | 19:43 |
| morganfainberg | cschwede, notmyname auth_token only used by swift? | 19:44 |
| morganfainberg | auth_token is used by all projects afaik | 19:44 |
| notmyname | morganfainberg: that was my assumption | 19:44 |
| morganfainberg | it does the decode of tokens/talks to keystone (uuid tokens) to get info for context | 19:44 |
| morganfainberg | it is absolutely used by all the integrated projects and many of the others | 19:45 |
| notmyname | but there is a 2nd piece that is in swift to map the keystone identity info to swift things (which is right) | 19:45 |
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| cschwede | keystoneclient / middleware / auth_token.py ? | 19:45 |
| zaitcev | well, but there must be something that sets req.environ['swift.authorize'], right? Maybe not the auth_token obviously, but something. | 19:45 |
| morganfainberg | cschwede. ye | 19:45 |
| morganfainberg | zaitcev, that is likely swift only | 19:45 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: that's the keystoneauth middleware inside of swift's codebase | 19:45 |
| morganfainberg | sorry was just jumping in :) | 19:45 |
| cschwede | hmm, sorry, maybe i'm remembering something wrong. | 19:46 |
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| zaitcev | In that case, never mind. I realized I'm wasting our time. | 19:46 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: don't feel bad. good questions | 19:46 |
| notmyname | ok, anything else to discuss here this week? | 19:46 |
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| luisbg | any low hanging fruit new contributors could help with? | 19:47 |
| zaitcev | wait, I realized what I meant to ask | 19:47 |
| zaitcev | Does v3 affect keystoneauth? | 19:47 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: that I do not know | 19:47 |
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| notmyname | I would assume no. ie it shouldn't | 19:47 |
| notmyname | anyone still here? | 19:47 |
| torgomatic | kind of | 19:47 |
| luisbg | o/ | 19:47 |
| peluse | yeah | 19:47 |
| acoles- | here | 19:47 |
| thurloat | \o | 19:47 |
| notmyname | ok | 19:48 |
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| portante | o/ | 19:48 |
| cschwede | here | 19:48 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: I don't think it should affect keystoneauth | 19:48 |
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| zaitcev | I'm looking at the code, sorry. Trying to figure out quickly. If it does NOT talk to Keystone, then it does not care, as long as authtoken sets the token for v3 that's like the one before, only maybe longer. | 19:49 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: ok. thanks for looking | 19:49 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: do you need some help looking there? | 19:49 |
| morganfainberg | zaitcev, if keystoneauth middleware also talks to keystone let me know if you guys need help unwinding it - you shouldn't need to talk to keystone two ways (auth_token should provide what oyu need) | 19:50 |
| zaitcev | no, I think we need someone try and run with v3 (by modding swiftclient) and see what happens | 19:50 |
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| notmyname | morganfainberg: thanks | 19:50 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: ah, ok | 19:50 |
| zaitcev | right, what morganfainberg said. | 19:50 |
| zaitcev | I just don't want to be responsible for action item "implement and test v3 in Swift" | 19:50 |
| zaitcev | well maybe after PBE lands :-) | 19:51 |
| notmyname | heh | 19:51 |
| notmyname | so Real Soon Now (tm) | 19:51 |
| acoles- | zaitcev: i'll try to dig into it a bit more | 19:51 |
| acoles- | but concur that v3 shouldn't have impact on keystoneauth | 19:52 |
| notmyname | acoles-: thanks | 19:52 |
| notmyname | ok, anything else on this topic or others? | 19:52 |
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| portante | nothing here | 19:52 |
| torgomatic | nope | 19:53 |
| peluse | nope | 19:53 |
| luisbg | I have a question | 19:53 |
| notmyname | luisbg: what's up | 19:53 |
| luisbg | what is the policy for people stepping into already assigned bugs? | 19:53 |
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| notmyname | luisbg: many times the assignee has vanished | 19:54 |
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| notmyname | luisbg: if you have a fix, don't let lauchpad prevent you from a patch :-) | 19:54 |
| luisbg | notmyname, the contrary happened to me | 19:54 |
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| notmyname | luisbg: and competing code is good | 19:54 |
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| luisbg | competing code is good when you have work force to spare | 19:54 |
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| torgomatic | for me, if I'm just looking to fix things, I'll skip over bugs with owners, but if a customer of mine is impacted by something, I'm fixing it regardless of who else is looking at it | 19:55 |
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| luisbg | nothing big happened, I had only spent 30 minutes on something before somebody else sent a patch to a bug assigned to me | 19:55 |
| luisbg | so not complaining, I understand | 19:55 |
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| luisbg | just realized the policy isn't clearly stated, and new contributors might be pushed away by this | 19:55 |
| torgomatic | and if someone submits a patch for something I'm working on, well, between the two of us I hope we have fewer bugs :) | 19:55 |
| notmyname | luisbg: good observation | 19:55 |
| luisbg | notmyname, stating this since it is more prone to happen with low hanging fruit | 19:56 |
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| notmyname | right | 19:56 |
| luisbg | which is usually the learning ropes of new people | 19:56 |
| * peluse wishes someone would jump in and do some of my work :) | 19:56 | |
| notmyname | luisbg: thanks for jumping in as a new contributor :-) | 19:56 |
| luisbg | peluse, hahaa | 19:56 |
| notmyname | peluse: so I was designing a new CPU.... | 19:56 |
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| peluse | excellent! | 19:56 |
| luisbg | notmyname, I am new to Swift but not new to Open Source, which is why it didn't push me away :P | 19:56 |
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| acoles- | luisbg: well said | 19:57 |
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| luisbg | but still think some of my experiences could help future new contributors, and making their road easier, which eventually means more contributors | 19:57 |
| luisbg | higher keep rate | 19:57 |
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| notmyname | luisbg: if you want to add something to the swift wiki, that's ok | 19:58 |
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| notmyname | ok, I gotta run. thanks everyone for attending. see you day-to-day in IRC. reminder that we'll skip next week | 19:58 |
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| notmyname | #endmeeting | 19:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 26 19:58:27 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-02-26-19.01.html | 19:58 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-02-26-19.01.txt | 19:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-02-26-19.01.log.html | 19:58 |
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| zaitcev | I think I had bugs taken from me because I was taking too long, but I cannot recall what it was exactly. I think it was the SSL causing swiftclient to spin. | 19:58 |
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| stevebaker | #startmeeting heat | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 26 20:00:09 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is stevebaker. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 20:00 |
| stevebaker | #topic rollcall | 20:00 |
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| randallburt | 0/ | 20:00 |
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| zaneb | howdy | 20:00 |
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| tango | o/ | 20:00 |
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| jpeeler | hi | 20:01 |
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| bgorski | o/ | 20:01 |
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| stevebaker | #topic Review last meeting's actions | 20:01 |
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| stevebaker | therve to update https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/parameter-nested-schema | 20:02 |
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| stevebaker | I've kicked that from i-3 anyway, so it no longer matters | 20:02 |
| stevebaker | #topic Adding items to the agenda | 20:02 |
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| sdake_ | o/ | 20:02 |
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| stevebaker | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282014-2-26.29 | 20:02 |
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| stevebaker | anything to add? we're probably all quite busy with feature freeze | 20:03 |
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| Slower | o/ | 20:03 |
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| stevebaker | #topic Policy for managing syncing from Oslo | 20:03 |
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| stevebaker | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/74635/ | 20:03 |
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| stevebaker | jpeeler: I assume shardy_afk added this, but you had the same objection | 20:04 |
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| jpeeler | i added that - i don't know what other projects do but i think it would be good to do regular syncing and stop doing single file updates | 20:04 |
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| stevebaker | dhellmann_: are you about to discuss oslo sync script? | 20:04 |
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| jpeeler | i asked in the channel and people had mixed feelings, so i added it to the agenda | 20:05 |
| zaneb | jpeeler: +1 | 20:05 |
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| stevebaker | jpeeler: single file updates are fine, cherry-picking single changes is probably what we want to avoid | 20:05 |
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| zaneb | stevebaker: I disagree | 20:05 |
| jpeeler | why though? | 20:05 |
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| jpeeler | seems like a recipe for potential problems | 20:06 |
| zaneb | why wouldn't we update everything when we need a change? | 20:06 |
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| zaneb | it has to be done eventually anyway | 20:07 |
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| zaneb | let the person who is most motivated have to do it | 20:07 |
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| stevebaker | zaneb: nova (for example) have got themselves into a situation where they are so out of sync that updating everything causes multiple breakages due to oslo api changes | 20:08 |
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| zaneb | stevebaker: so let's avoid that | 20:08 |
| jpeeler | right | 20:08 |
| randallburt | stevebaker: which seems like a situation we would want to avoid | 20:08 |
| zaneb | by making sure we stay in sync | 20:08 |
| stevebaker | in my ideal world update.py will create one heat commit per oslo commit, so if and when that happens then breakage can be tracked to a commit | 20:09 |
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| stevebaker | I believe that is happening but I have no idea where progress is at | 20:09 |
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| zaneb | that sounds nothing like the world we live in ;) | 20:09 |
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| sdake_ | don't think update.py does that :) | 20:10 |
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| stevebaker | so how about for now we run python update.py --modules <module> once for each module, and create a commit per run | 20:11 |
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| sdake_ | please don't update rpc | 20:11 |
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| zaneb | stevebaker: ugh, no | 20:11 |
| stevebaker | sdake_: ;) | 20:11 |
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| sdake_ | i guess my theory is if it isn't broken, why fix it :) | 20:12 |
| sdake_ | the review in question, something is broken | 20:12 |
| SpamapS | o/ | 20:12 |
| zaneb | let's assume at the very least oslo is internally consistent at any given revision | 20:12 |
| jpeeler | we've had to backport changes because we were out of sync | 20:12 |
| zaneb | and then not go out of our way to break it | 20:12 |
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| sdake_ | some of the updated files need modification after update.py is run as well | 20:13 |
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| jpeeler | sdake_: even more reason to not let it get out of date in my opinion | 20:14 |
| stevebaker | shall we do a sync, but defer it to after feature freeze? | 20:14 |
| stevebaker | just due to the review load | 20:14 |
| jpeeler | it's not a one time thing though - it doesn't need to be done right now | 20:14 |
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| jpeeler | just in the future, some specified interval would be good | 20:15 |
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| zaneb | release milestones seem like the obvious times to do it | 20:16 |
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| zaneb | but milestones don't really seem to work that way in OpenStack | 20:16 |
| sdake_ | zaneb you mean AFTER a milestone | 20:16 |
| zaneb | sdake_: yes | 20:16 |
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| zaneb | so after i-2 we would update to the i-2 version of oslo | 20:16 |
| zaneb | for example | 20:16 |
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| stevebaker | so what is the action from this? | 20:17 |
| sdake_ | some modules depend on others | 20:17 |
| zaneb | but I actually think the current system works fine: whenever somebody needs something new from oslo, they sync the whole thing | 20:17 |
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| sdake_ | it is not as simple as updating one module per commit | 20:17 |
| zaneb | that ensures we keep relatively up to data | 20:17 |
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| zaneb | date | 20:18 |
| jpeeler | zaneb: as long as that is enforced | 20:18 |
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| zaneb | jpeeler: indeed | 20:18 |
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| Slower | makes sense to me | 20:18 |
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| stevebaker | so we're syncing after i-3, unless someone proposes it before and we have time to review it? | 20:19 |
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| sdake_ | please don't sync notifier or rpc | 20:20 |
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| sdake_ | TIA :) | 20:20 |
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| stevebaker | ok, moving on | 20:21 |
| stevebaker | #topic Feature freeze blueprints status | 20:21 |
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| stevebaker | #link https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/icehouse-3 | 20:21 |
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| stevebaker | EOB March 4th is feature freeze! | 20:21 |
| SpamapS | ugh | 20:22 |
| stevebaker | we can ask for extensions on specific blueprints, but those blueprints will need to be marked High priority | 20:22 |
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| SpamapS | Was hoping I'd get a couple days at the TripleO sprint to jam some patches in | 20:22 |
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| stevebaker | we have a lot of reviewing to do | 20:22 |
| SpamapS | stevebaker: you coming to that? We need to get moving on softwareconfig.... | 20:23 |
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| stevebaker | SpamapS: nopes, but I expect many polish bug fixes to make it work for you | 20:24 |
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| SpamapS | stevebaker: ok.. I'm reviewing the whole patch stream today. | 20:24 |
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| stevebaker | SpamapS: ok, expect completed structured config today | 20:25 |
| stevebaker | SpamapS: then I'll rework a tripleo template | 20:25 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: why do only Polish bugs get fixed? | 20:25 |
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| SpamapS | zaneb: politics.... | 20:25 |
| stevebaker | zaneb: :) | 20:26 |
| stevebaker | I shall reverse my polish notation | 20:26 |
| SpamapS | be proud, yoda would | 20:26 |
| sdake_ | oslo.messaging status -> 56 test cases fail, most API calls seem to work, multi-engine works, just need to beat the test cases into submission | 20:27 |
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| sdake_ | jasond also asked for a refactor of service.py before I further refactor it in the oslo.messaging patch that I'll look into after the test cases pass | 20:27 |
| zaneb | how would folks feel about sneaking in pluggable template parsers before the feature freeze? | 20:28 |
| stevebaker | 17 blueprints are in review, if you're looking for guidelines on what to review first I guess it would be best to go for blueprint Priority first | 20:28 |
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| stevebaker | zaneb: are there changes for it? | 20:29 |
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| zaneb | stevebaker: it's going to be fairly minimal changes beyond what I already have posted patches for | 20:29 |
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| stevebaker | btw the heat-slow job is reasonably stable right now, so if your change fails on heat-slow you should check to see if it was your change that caused it | 20:30 |
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| stevebaker | zaneb: I don't think I mind | 20:31 |
| zaneb | ok, I will post it when it's done and we will see what happens in the reviews | 20:31 |
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| stevebaker | #topic open discussion | 20:31 |
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| SpamapS | As far as "stuff to get in late" ... | 20:32 |
| SpamapS | I'm pretty sure we _must_ have manual retry ability in TripleO. | 20:32 |
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| SpamapS | update is basically a death sentence without it. | 20:33 |
| zaneb | SpamapS: retry of what, specifically? | 20:33 |
| SpamapS | zaneb: update | 20:33 |
| sdake_ | is there a blueprint for that? | 20:33 |
| SpamapS | yes | 20:33 |
| zaneb | there is, it got bumped | 20:33 |
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| SpamapS | It got bumped, because ETOOHARD .. but I think it is too important .. | 20:33 |
| stevebaker | SpamapS: is it possible to do all updates with rollback enabled? | 20:34 |
| zaneb | it got bumped because ENOTIME | 20:34 |
| * radix arrives | 20:34 | |
| SpamapS | The alternative is if we make abandon/adopt work, we can write some magic to fix broken things in the abandoned dump file and re-adopt the stack. | 20:34 |
| SpamapS | stevebaker: no | 20:34 |
| sdake_ | SpamapS who was assigned to the blueprint? | 20:34 |
| SpamapS | zaneb: I'm about to make time for it. | 20:34 |
| zaneb | sdake_: I was | 20:34 |
| zaneb | /am | 20:35 |
| SpamapS | Basically our CD tripleo cloud dies every 8 hours or so because of random 500 errors from overloaded nova-api or neutron-server. | 20:35 |
| stevebaker | zaneb: I'm assuming the change would be too disruptive for it to be flagged as a bug, even though it really is | 20:35 |
| SpamapS | Now, I _also_ think we should handle those by just retrying... but we need a way to recover from the cases we don't handle well or that are completely unexpected and unhandleable. | 20:35 |
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| sdake_ | I guess what we dont want is tripleo being nonfunctional for 6 months until Juno is released | 20:35 |
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| SpamapS | sdake_: IMO this is Heat being non-functional | 20:36 |
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| SpamapS | create is fine.. | 20:36 |
| SpamapS | but updates are where the money is at ;) | 20:36 |
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| zaneb | SpamapS: I feel your pain. The problem, as you know, is that Heat ends up with inconsistent data. I'm not sure what a short-term solution looks like that doesn't make things worse | 20:36 |
| SpamapS | zaneb: Yeah, I took a stab at a spike.. storing the snippets in resources and then when loading a stack, overlaying the stored snippets on the loaded template. | 20:37 |
| SpamapS | zaneb: worked, but it was really hard to test. | 20:37 |
| SpamapS | which told me "you have just created a monster" | 20:37 |
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| stevebaker | SpamapS: are we talking updates that do replacements? surely if replacements are avoided then handling the case of an inline update failing would be easier | 20:38 |
| sdake_ | anyone have a link to the blueprint? | 20:38 |
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| zaneb | stevebaker: additions/removals are the worst | 20:38 |
| zaneb | we can lose the resources altogether | 20:38 |
| SpamapS | stevebaker: right, as zaneb says.. just adding a server .. removing an object.. haphazard. | 20:39 |
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| zaneb | sdake_: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/update-failure-recovery | 20:39 |
| radix | replacements are implemented as add-then-delete, right? | 20:39 |
| radix | (currently I mean) | 20:39 |
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| SpamapS | At the moment we fail and don't roll back successfully, the thing in the database (raw template) is completely non-indicative of what is actually in existence. | 20:40 |
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| SpamapS | So one way to handle this... is to abandon the stack... | 20:40 |
| SpamapS | and then edit the abandoned stack dump to reflect actual reality... | 20:40 |
| SpamapS | and then adopt | 20:40 |
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| zaneb | radix: yes, but in that case the resource name stays the same, so we won't actually lose it. | 20:40 |
| zaneb | radix: it's not without issues though | 20:41 |
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| radix | SpamapS: yeah, abandandon/adopt allow for all sorts of cool hacks to work around limitations in heat ;) | 20:41 |
| SpamapS | anyway | 20:41 |
| SpamapS | I know time is short.. | 20:41 |
| SpamapS | and this is not without risk. | 20:41 |
| zaneb | radix: true! :) Although, let's not forget it works by allowing us to blame the user when it goes wrong | 20:42 |
| zaneb | ;) | 20:42 |
| SpamapS | but I think users are really in a bad place without it if they don't know exactly what they're getting into. | 20:42 |
| radix | heh heh | 20:42 |
| SpamapS | So just raising my hand and sayign "this may get ugly soon" | 20:42 |
| zaneb | SpamapS: I think you are on the right track | 20:43 |
| SpamapS | It has been tough for me to focus on it, as I've also been trying to follow hot-software-config and piggy back my graceful-update-control thing on that. | 20:43 |
| radix | so are we talking about something for icehouse? (sorry I came into the conversation late) | 20:43 |
| stevebaker | SpamapS: so since you do CI, feature freeze is a window where you don't get anything but fixes, but as soon as juno opens then you can use landed features again | 20:43 |
| zaneb | and I don't think this getting it in will make it harder to clean up later, so +1 | 20:43 |
| SpamapS | but I feel like hot-software-config is going to make our life easier for graceful updates | 20:43 |
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| zaneb | but get it in soon, because realistically there will probably be bugs to deal with | 20:44 |
| sdake_ | 5 days - tight | 20:44 |
| SpamapS | right, as soon as I have a clear short term plan for graceful updates I'll put my head down on this | 20:44 |
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| stevebaker | anything else? we can finish early | 20:46 |
| SpamapS | \o/ use this 13 minutes for reviews everyone. :) | 20:47 |
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| stevebaker | #action everyone uses 780 extra seconds to do code reviews | 20:48 |
| stevebaker | #endmeeting | 20:48 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 26 20:48:31 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-02-26-20.00.html | 20:48 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-02-26-20.00.txt | 20:48 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-02-26-20.00.log.html | 20:48 |
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| eglynn | #startmeeting ceilometer | 20:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 26 20:59:59 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is eglynn. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 21:00 |
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| eglynn | hey folks, I'll be channelling jd__ this evening | 21:00 |
| terriyu | o/ | 21:00 |
| gordc | o/ | 21:00 |
| llu-laptop | o/ | 21:00 |
| DanD_ | o/ | 21:00 |
| ildikov_ | o/ | 21:00 |
| gibi | o/ | 21:00 |
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| eglynn | agenda as per usual: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MeteringAgenda | 21:00 |
| eglynn | #topic Milestone status icehouse-3 | 21:01 |
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| eglynn | folks, I suspect ttx has been bending jd__'s ear about icehouse-3 progress | 21:01 |
| ildikov_ | just a kind reminder: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/ceilometer+branch:master+topic:bp/complex-filter-expressions-in-api-queries,n,z :) | 21:01 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 21:01 |
| eglynn | we're down to wire in terms of BPs making it for i3 | 21:01 |
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| eglynn | #link https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/icehouse-3 | 21:02 |
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| eglynn | anything that isn't as good as in the bag by week's end will I suspect be culled | 21:02 |
| eglynn | does anyone want to draw attention to anything they consider a risk? | 21:03 |
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| eglynn | we have two BPs still with 'Started' status | 21:03 |
| eglynn | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/monitoring-network-from-opendaylight | 21:04 |
| eglynn | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/hbase-tests-on-real-backend | 21:04 |
| gordc | eglynn: the first bp is actually partially implemented | 21:04 |
| eglynn | gordc: cool | 21:04 |
| eglynn | anyone got a status on hbase-tests-on-real-backend? | 21:04 |
| gordc | the 2nd patchset needs to be reviewed. | 21:04 |
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| llu-laptop | any patches for the first high one https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/alarm-on-notification? | 21:05 |
| eglynn | I've updated the status on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/monitoring-network-from-opendaylight to 'slow progress' | 21:06 |
| eglynn | llu-laptop: yeap, litong has proposed patches | 21:06 |
| eglynn | ... but there was some disagreement on the best approach to the implementation | 21:06 |
| eglynn | ... so, somewhat contraversial | 21:06 |
| gordc | eglynn: is that at risk for icehouse? | 21:06 |
| dhellmann | gordc: given gate delays and the monday deadline, anything controversial is probably at risk | 21:07 |
| eglynn | gordc: I haven't looked at the latest patch set yet, but if it's still not using the events API then I think it is a risk | 21:07 |
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| gordc | dhellmann: yeah, that's what i was thinking... so basically all bp patches come monday are getting red x? minus the critical item | 21:08 |
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| dhellmann | gordc: right, unless jd__ wants to file for a FFE for something that's close | 21:09 |
| eglynn | dhellmann: agreed, we "landable" patches to be proposed to gerrit by EoD tmrw or absolute latest on Friday for it to be a realistic propospect for icehouse | 21:09 |
| dhellmann | right | 21:09 |
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| gordc | i would suggest we target the items in 'needs code review' for now. | 21:09 |
| eglynn | dhellmann: yep, there is the possibility of FFEs being negotiated | 21:09 |
| eglynn | (for havana we got a couple of those, but we can't rely on that again) | 21:10 |
| eglynn | so anyone with implementation work outstanding (myself included) will have to be looking at end of week as the drop-dead cut-off | 21:11 |
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| eglynn | ... and of course I'd encourage folks to dedicate any bandwidth they can sapre to reviewing | 21:12 |
| eglynn | ... please be selective in your reviews: choose icehouse-3 focused first, and BP-oriented over bug-fixes | 21:13 |
| eglynn | ... bug-fixes will be easy to land post-i3, featurefull patches not so much | 21:13 |
| ildikov_ | what about refactoring code? :) | 21:14 |
| gordc | hmm... i thought there was a test against real db bp which was critical priority... i guess that got pulled. | 21:15 |
| eglynn | ildikov_: that too, if it addressing clear and present technical debt | 21:15 |
| eglynn | ildikov_: (which your db2/mongo dupe-squashing clearly is) | 21:15 |
| ildikov_ | gordc: that one is the third patch set, query worked for the last time | 21:15 |
| eglynn | gordc: yeah, you're right, it was critical ... must have been punted to Juno | 21:16 |
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| eglynn | k, anything else on icehouse-3? | 21:17 |
| eglynn | (other than ... ladies and gentlemen, please fire up your reviewing engines!) | 21:17 |
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| ildikov_ | gordc: I mentioned the new in operator to tongli, he didn't say anything against, but it can be fixed, if it would not work | 21:17 |
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| gordc | ildikov_: which item is this? the in operator doesn't work for db2? | 21:18 |
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| gordc | eglynn: i think we can move on... ildikov_ we can discuss over in openstack-ceilometer. | 21:19 |
| ildikov_ | gordc: the in operator was merged after tongli tested the second patch, I told him that I rebased all the remaining patch sets | 21:19 |
| eglynn | gordc: cool, makes sense | 21:19 |
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| eglynn | so a few more days in heads-down mode from us all will make a big dent in the backlog for icehouse-3 | 21:20 |
| eglynn | ... so I'd encourage a full-court-press if poss | 21:20 |
| eglynn | k, moving on | 21:20 |
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| eglynn | #topic Tempest integration | 21:20 |
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| ildikov_ | gordc: sure, we can move on | 21:20 |
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| eglynn | _nadya_ . There is no Tempest update on this week from our side unfortunately :( I will start work on tempest stuff on next week | 21:20 |
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| eglynn | anything else on tempest? | 21:21 |
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| sileht | eglynn, latest nova fix for notification have been merged yesterday | 21:21 |
| eglynn | sileht: excellent! | 21:21 |
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| eglynn | #topic Release python-ceilometerclient? | 21:22 |
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| eglynn | I don't think there's a need for that yet | 21:22 |
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| eglynn | I've a couple patches in the works for the selectable aggregates | 21:23 |
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| ildikov_ | we have some client code prepared for complex query: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/python-ceilometerclient+branch:master+topic:bp/complex-filter-expressions-in-api-queries,n,z | 21:23 |
| eglynn | plus possible the new capabilities API I've proposed | 21:23 |
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| eglynn | ildikov_: nice! | 21:23 |
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| eglynn | k, let's aim to cut ceiloclient 1.0.10 once the complex query & selectable aggregate patches land | 21:24 |
| ildikov_ | so if anyone is interested in have look at, we will appriciate the feedback :) | 21:24 |
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| eglynn | as long as 1.0.10 is vaguely lined with icehouse, should be fine | 21:24 |
| ildikov_ | eglynn: nice release number :) | 21:24 |
| ildikov_ | eglynn: sounds good | 21:24 |
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| eglynn | s/vaguely lined/vaguely lined up/ | 21:25 |
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| eglynn | #topic Open discussion | 21:25 |
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| psumkin | hi all I'm Pavel Sumkin. I work in Mirantis, you may know Nadya Privalova _nadya_ from Mirantis. We have 2 full-time developers (I'm _psumkin_ and Leonid Kornilenko _le089_) for Ceilometer. I hope we will strengthen the team soon. | 21:25 |
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| eglynn | psumkin: welcome! yep, we certainly do know Nadya | 21:26 |
| llu-laptop | welcome, psumkin | 21:26 |
| terriyu | welcome psumkin | 21:26 |
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| ildikov_ | welcome :) | 21:26 |
| psumkin | tnks! | 21:27 |
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| eglynn | I'd encourage everyone again to look at the Atlanta summit proposals related to ceilometer and vote for whichever ones take your fancy | 21:28 |
| eglynn | #link https://www.openstack.org/vote-atlanta/SearchForm | 21:28 |
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| eglynn | ^^^ type ceilometer in the search box above | 21:28 |
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| eglynn | good for the project's visibility to have as many ceilo-related presos in the conference track as possible | 21:29 |
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| terriyu | eglynn: got it! | 21:29 |
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| eglynn | also it'll soon be time to get your thinking caps on re. design summit sessions | 21:31 |
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| eglynn | ok, looks like we're running out of open discussion here | 21:32 |
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| eglynn | ... last call? | 21:32 |
| eglynn | ... going, going ... | 21:32 |
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| eglynn | ... gone | 21:32 |
| eglynn | #endmeeting | 21:32 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 26 21:32:57 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:32 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2014/ceilometer.2014-02-26-20.59.html | 21:33 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2014/ceilometer.2014-02-26-20.59.txt | 21:33 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2014/ceilometer.2014-02-26-20.59.log.html | 21:33 |
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| eglynn | thanks y'alL! | 21:33 |
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