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| nijaba | #startmeeting Ceilometer | 15:00 |
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| nijaba | #meetingtopic Ceilometer | 15:00 |
| nijaba | #chair nijaba | 15:00 |
| nijaba | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/MeteringAgenda | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 20 15:00:09 2012 UTC. The chair is nijaba. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | Current chairs: nijaba | 15:00 |
| jd__ | hi | 15:00 |
| nijaba | Hello everyone! Show of hands, who is around for the ceilometer meeting? | 15:00 |
| nijaba | o/ | 15:00 |
| jd__ | o/ | 15:00 |
| nijaba | only us 2? | 15:00 |
| jd__ | looks like a party to me | 15:00 |
| nijaba | we should have done the meeting f2f last night ;) | 15:01 |
| jd__ | yeah :) | 15:01 |
| nijaba | #topic actions from previous meeting | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "actions from previous meeting (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 15:01 | |
| nijaba | #topic dhellmann write up details of blueprint https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/config-driven-notification-monitoring | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "dhellmann write up details of blueprint https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/config-driven-notification-monitoring (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 15:01 | |
| jd__ | i think Doug will show up | 15:01 |
| spn | o/ | 15:01 |
| spn | I am there.. | 15:01 |
| nijaba | hey spn! | 15:01 |
| jd__ | hi spn | 15:01 |
| spn | sorry I was pinging on other channel | 15:02 |
| spn | jd__: spn | 15:02 |
| spn | jd__: says hi | 15:02 |
| nijaba | so I am not sure dhellman was able to work on this item last week | 15:02 |
| spn | meeting at this time is awesome | 15:02 |
| DanD | o/ | 15:03 |
| spn | nijaba: Hi Nick | 15:03 |
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| gmb | o/ | 15:04 |
| gmb | Half here; also OTP. | 15:04 |
| nijaba | hello gmb :) | 15:04 |
| gmb | Hi Nick, fancy seeing you here :) | 15:04 |
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| nijaba | so, dhellmann is not around and the last mod to the wikie page is 2012-08-27 20:58:25 | 15:04 |
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| nijaba | so I guess we'll have to forward this item to next week | 15:05 |
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| jd__ | ack | 15:05 |
| nijaba | #action dhellmann write up details of blueprint https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/config-driven-notification-monitoring | 15:05 |
| nijaba | and thats all the topics we had for this week | 15:05 |
| nijaba | #topic open discussion | 15:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 15:06 | |
| nijaba | anything, anyone? | 15:06 |
| spn | yes | 15:06 |
| spn | I submitted a micro sized patch last week to add Flask to files/pips | 15:06 |
| spn | doug thinks it is not required since he defined it in ceilometer/pip-requires.. | 15:07 |
| spn | I dont see it working that way.. | 15:07 |
| jd__ | could you elaborate? | 15:07 |
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| spn | ok.. | 15:07 |
| jd__ | patch url maybe? | 15:07 |
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| spn | ceilometer-api requires Flask 0.9 | 15:07 |
| spn | I submitted a patch to enable ceilometer-api through devstack | 15:08 |
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| spn | but it does not run.. since Flask 0.9 which is a dependecy does not get installed | 15:08 |
| spn | throug pip-requires defined in ceilometer branch.. | 15:08 |
| spn | but if I add it in devstack/files/pips/ceilometer-api , it forces itself to be installed and ceilometer-api works | 15:09 |
| spn | https://review.openstack.org/13188 | 15:10 |
| jd__ | I didn't encountered this when installing devstack | 15:10 |
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| spn | There is a mail from doug.. saying.. | 15:10 |
| spn | "Patch Set 1: | 15:10 |
| spn | Flask is listed as a dependency, with a version number, in the tools/pip-requires file in the ceilometer source code. Doesn't that cause Flask to be installed when devstack runs "sudo python setup.py develop" for ceilometer? | 15:10 |
| spn | " | 15:10 |
| * dhellmann sorry I'm late | 15:11 | |
| spn | jd__: I tried multiple times.. and I dont see Flask getting installed.. | 15:11 |
| spn | dhellmann: hello | 15:11 |
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| jd__ | spn: you're right, I didn't tried ceilometer-api, it's not installed | 15:11 |
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| jd__ | spn: I can't say if your patch is the good solution, but there's a problem indeed | 15:11 |
| jd__ | hi dhellmann | 15:12 |
| nijaba | Hey doug! | 15:12 |
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| spn | the new devstack version will get the ceilometer-api also .. but it will not run | 15:12 |
| dhellmann | I don't understand why flask is a problem but the other depdencies work correctly | 15:12 |
| dhellmann | is flask the only piece missing | 15:12 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: dunno either but I confirm it's a problem :) | 15:12 |
| spn | as far as I know it is.. | 15:12 |
| spn | I am kind of jittery to create a pips folder just for our Flask in devstack | 15:13 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: I think pip-requires is not used at all by setup.py actually, only by tox; I miss stevedore too | 15:13 |
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| dhellmann | ah, jd__ might be right | 15:14 |
| dhellmann | I thought there was some magic going on to load the pip-requires file into setup.py | 15:14 |
| dhellmann | but install_requires isn't being set at all | 15:15 |
| jd__ | me too, I like to think about magic when talking about setuptools | 15:15 |
| jd__ | yes we miss that probably | 15:15 |
| dhellmann | spn: check the use of openstack.common.setup in the nova setup.py file | 15:15 |
| dhellmann | that's what we need to do | 15:15 |
| spn | ok.. | 15:15 |
| jd__ | def parse_requirements(requirements_files=['requirements.txt', | 15:16 |
| jd__ | 'tools/pip-requires']): | 15:16 |
| jd__ | 15:16 | |
| jd__ | exactly :-) | 15:16 |
| dhellmann | yep, that's it | 15:16 |
| dhellmann | so the correct fix is to do that in our setup.py file, not to change devstack | 15:16 |
| spn | ok.. | 15:16 |
| jd__ | exactly | 15:16 |
| spn | I will look into it.. | 15:16 |
| jd__ | spn: if you prefer I can come up with a change myself | 15:16 |
| spn | I will ping you (dhellmann) and jd__ if I have questions.. | 15:16 |
| spn | jd__: I will do it.. | 15:17 |
| jd__ | spn: ok great! | 15:17 |
| spn | jd__: please bear with me. .I am bit new here.. :) | 15:17 |
| jd__ | spn: no problem :) | 15:17 |
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| spn | jd_: thanks.. | 15:17 |
| dhellmann | thanks, spn | 15:17 |
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| spn | One more q? Is someone already looking into the glance metering part? | 15:18 |
| dhellmann | I think jd__ submitted a patch for that earlier today | 15:18 |
| jd__ | yes, the pollster is on a good way | 15:19 |
| nijaba | \o/ | 15:19 |
| spn | jd__: cool.. | 15:19 |
| jd__ | I've started to work on notifier, but stoped for now because somebody is already working on it | 15:19 |
| jd__ | eglynn_ actually | 15:19 |
| nijaba | notifier? | 15:19 |
| spn | elgyn | 15:19 |
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| spn | yup | 15:19 |
| eglynn_ | yep, working on it | 15:19 |
| jd__ | nijaba: glance notification listener | 15:20 |
| nijaba | k, thanks | 15:20 |
| eglynn_ | should have something by tmrw | 15:20 |
| jd__ | eglynn_: great | 15:20 |
| nijaba | 2x\o/ | 15:20 |
| dhellmann | nijaba: my action item from last week was to write up details about a blueprint. the results are at http://wiki.openstack.org/EfficientMetering/ConfigDrivenNotificationMonitoring | 15:20 |
| jd__ | eglynn_: I've sent a patch to Glance to clean the notification, because it would send error on the info bus :) | 15:20 |
| eglynn_ | jd__: cool, looking ... | 15:20 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: so this is complete from your perspective, I was not sure | 15:21 |
| nijaba | ? | 15:21 |
| jd__ | eglynn_: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/13190/ FYI | 15:21 |
| dhellmann | nijaba: I believe so, but if someone else ends up trying to implement it they may think otherwise ;-) | 15:21 |
| nijaba | ok, thanks | 15:21 |
| nijaba | I remove the earlier added action for next week then | 15:22 |
| nijaba | I *will* remove... | 15:22 |
| dhellmann | ok, thanks | 15:22 |
| spn | should there be an action on me for pip-requires issue.. ? | 15:23 |
| nijaba | #agreed dhellmann action for this week was completed. | 15:23 |
| nijaba | spn: feel free to add one for yourself | 15:23 |
| nijaba | use: #action spn ... | 15:23 |
| jd__ | or better, open a bug report and assign it to yourself: ) | 15:24 |
| spn | #action spn fix Flask pickup when setup.py is used | 15:24 |
| nijaba | it depends if you want us to talk about it next week or not... | 15:24 |
| spn | jd__: okies.. I will do that tooo | 15:24 |
| spn | nijaba: surely we want to fix that problem.. | 15:24 |
| nijaba | jd__: #action spn to open a bug about ... and assign it to himself ;) | 15:25 |
| spn | nijaba: I will do it.. | 15:25 |
| jd__ | :)) | 15:26 |
| nijaba | spn: was more a joke than a real action for you ;) | 15:26 |
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| dhellmann | I want to make a quick disclosure, if jd__ hasn't already said something, that DreamHost has contracted with jd__ to work on some ceilometer features we consider high priority for our launch. | 15:26 |
| nijaba | but thanks | 15:26 |
| dhellmann | we will be doing all of the work through the normal code review and bug reporting processes (in the open) | 15:26 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: that's excellent news I think! Congrats jd__! | 15:26 |
| nijaba | well done dreamhost | 15:27 |
| spn | superb.. what are those features btw | 15:27 |
| dhellmann | a couple of the changes he has submitted recently were on our list, and I think others' lists, too | 15:27 |
| jd__ | thanks! :) | 15:27 |
| jd__ | glad to work with dhellmann on that | 15:27 |
| dhellmann | nova notification on delete, integration with glance and cinder so far | 15:27 |
| dhellmann | we're still working on our full list of priorities | 15:27 |
| dhellmann | I have to say it's going really well so far, so I'm glad we were able to get some of his time! | 15:28 |
| spn | dhellmann: is this list of priorities open? | 15:28 |
| dhellmann | spn: It's not really a secret, I guess, but the list isn't in a public place right now | 15:29 |
| jd__ | FWIW I've started to work on cinder notification/pollster | 15:29 |
| nijaba | I am sure we'll be able to deduce it from the list of patch jd__does in the next few weeks :) | 15:29 |
| jd__ | hehe :-> | 15:29 |
| spn | haha.. | 15:29 |
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| dhellmann | spn: we also have on our list removing the direct db access where possible and adding authentication to the api | 15:30 |
| nijaba | spn: and don't expect anything related to object storage... | 15:31 |
| spn | Are you referring to the collector/manager.py where we have a FIXME flag? | 15:31 |
| nijaba | anything else to cover? | 15:32 |
| spn | nijaba: is there any reason not to expect object storage.. sorry I am not aware of history | 15:32 |
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| nijaba | spn: from dreamhost? they are rolling their own using ceph and not swif | 15:33 |
| dhellmann | spn: nijaba likes to rib me about our use of ceph for object storage instead of swift | 15:33 |
| nijaba | spn: from dreamhost? they are rolling their own using ceph and not swift | 15:33 |
| zykes- | when will there be some integration for horizon ? | 15:33 |
| spn | nijaba: ;) got it.. | 15:33 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: you don't want pollster for ceph into ceilometer? | 15:33 |
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| nijaba | dhellmann: not sure it is ribbing, more a distintive feature from my pov | 15:33 |
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| jd__ | I though ceph was backed by Canonical anyway, nijaba? :p | 15:34 |
| dhellmann | jd__: the folks who did the DreamObjects project set up their own metering solution as a one-off, so it is handled for now. we may change that later. | 15:34 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: ok! | 15:34 |
| dhellmann | nijaba: all good natured, in any case! :-) | 15:34 |
| nijaba | jd__: so far, as a backend for cinder :) | 15:34 |
| jd__ | heh | 15:35 |
| spn | :):) | 15:35 |
| nijaba | but RADOS_GW just made it in main for 12.10... | 15:35 |
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| spn | great.. | 15:35 |
| nijaba | ok, we are getting slighly off topic. anything else on topic? | 15:36 |
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| spn | last q | 15:36 |
| spn | some one is already working on the chef thing for ceilometer? | 15:37 |
| zykes- | anyone got a answer for my question ? | 15:37 |
| nijaba | spn: jaypipes should be | 15:37 |
| nijaba | zykes-: what integration would you expect? | 15:37 |
| dhellmann | zykes-: what sort of integration? showing details? | 15:37 |
| nijaba | zykes-: I was thinking about a plugin to show some basic info | 15:37 |
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| nijaba | zykes-: but you may have something else in mind? | 15:38 |
| spn | dhellmann: I had this question sometime back about showing stuff in horizon | 15:38 |
| nijaba | spn: zykes-: it's on the roadmap | 15:38 |
| jd__ | there will probably be a point where the API will have to be opened for users to access their data | 15:38 |
| dhellmann | horizon integration isn't on our list of priorities for DreamHost, but I definitely agree we need it for ceilometer at some point | 15:38 |
| jd__ | that could lead to horizon integration I imagine | 15:38 |
| dhellmann | the API is not fully baked yet, so it may be premature | 15:38 |
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| dhellmann | however, I would be interested in seeing some blueprints and other design documents describing desired views, so we could start thinking about requirements and implementation | 15:39 |
| spn | so it is like the billing front end or just showing some ceilometer data? | 15:39 |
| dhellmann | spn: I think we should limit ourselves to showing ceilometer data | 15:39 |
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| nijaba | spn: I don;t thing we'll ever have a full billng front end... | 15:39 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: agreed :) | 15:40 |
| spn | nijaba: it is more of template/policy driven thing specific to organizations | 15:40 |
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| dhellmann | although it might make sense to think about a way to let a plugin add rate info | 15:40 |
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| zykes- | ok. | 15:40 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: it all depends on the billing model | 15:41 |
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| spn | some time backk. I tried this.. added a billing tab and defined a template policy which can be edited by admin tenet | 15:41 |
| dhellmann | nijaba: agreed. The DreamHost rate plans are a little complex to calculate | 15:41 |
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| spn | ok.. | 15:41 |
| nijaba | spn: It would be nice to have stuff like this as examples, but could never be made universal, I think | 15:42 |
| dhellmann | nijaba: exactly | 15:42 |
| spn | had a kind of very generic template.. but there is a limit to making it generic | 15:43 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: that's nice if it's complicated, at least it will force us to make a good API :) | 15:43 |
| nijaba | spn: contrib/examples are welcome. feel free to submit | 15:43 |
| spn | nijaba: ok.. | 15:43 |
| dhellmann | jd__: when we're all done with the project, I'll see if I can write it up | 15:43 |
| jd__ | sounds great | 15:43 |
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| dhellmann | :-) | 15:44 |
| nijaba | anything else? | 15:44 |
| nijaba | going once... | 15:45 |
| nijaba | going twice... | 15:45 |
| jd__ | sold! | 15:45 |
| nijaba | ok.... we are done for tdoay! Thanks a lot everyone! | 15:45 |
| spn | thanks for answering my questions | 15:45 |
| dhellmann | thanks! | 15:45 |
| jd__ | thanks guys | 15:45 |
| nijaba | #endmeeting | 15:45 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 20 15:45:53 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2012/ceilometer.2012-09-20-15.00.html | 15:45 |
| dhellmann | and thanks spn for asking questions and pitching in! | 15:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2012/ceilometer.2012-09-20-15.00.txt | 15:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2012/ceilometer.2012-09-20-15.00.log.html | 15:45 |
| spn | see u folks had a great time | 15:46 |
| spn | dhellmann:my priv | 15:46 |
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| davidkranz | Any qa'ers there? | 17:02 |
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| dwalleck | +1 | 17:03 |
| zyluo | o/ | 17:03 |
| davidkranz | Any one seen Jay recently? | 17:03 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: sorry guys. | 17:04 |
| jaypipes | I'm swamped. | 17:04 |
| dwalleck | the man, the legend himself :-) | 17:04 |
| dwalleck | Don't worry, I hear you. Me too | 17:04 |
| jaypipes | torandu (Sean Gallagher) on my team has been investigating PyVows and DTest this week, but I have not made any progress. | 17:04 |
| davidkranz | #startmeeting qa | 17:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 20 17:05:09 2012 UTC. The chair is davidkranz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:05 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 17:05 |
| dwalleck | jaypipes: Did you get what I sent this weekend? | 17:05 |
| dwalleck | Still trying to find time to get it inside the Tempest proper framework, but I wanted to throw something out at least | 17:05 |
| jaypipes | dwalleck: this weekend? | 17:06 |
| jaypipes | dwalleck: no, I don't think so | 17:06 |
| dwalleck | jaypipes: I think | 17:06 |
| dwalleck | Unless I'm going crazy and I'm only thinking I send emails...grrr | 17:06 |
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| dwalleck | frickin hell | 17:07 |
| dwalleck | "This message hasn't been sent." | 17:07 |
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| jaypipes | :) | 17:07 |
| dwalleck | I love you too Outlook =P | 17:07 |
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| dwalleck | there, that's how to send a real email | 17:08 |
| jaypipes | hehe | 17:08 |
| davidkranz | dwalleck: Are you sending just to Jay or the list? | 17:09 |
| jaypipes | dwalleck: rock on. I will forward to torandu | 17:09 |
| jaypipes | dwalleck: might as well send to list, eh? | 17:09 |
| dwalleck | Original was to just Jay. I can send it to everyone if you don't mind it's not in the Tempest framework. This is just a proof of concept | 17:09 |
| davidkranz | dwalleck: Understood. | 17:10 |
| dwalleck | I've been trying to push through the reviews currently on deck | 17:11 |
| dwalleck | I don't want folks to continuously have to rebase | 17:11 |
| davidkranz | dwalleck: Thanks for that. | 17:11 |
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| dwalleck | Plus hopefully once I finish reviews, I'll write some of my own code :) | 17:12 |
| dwalleck | I think that's probably what I'll use half the conference for. Live coding damnit! | 17:12 |
| jaypipes | dwalleck: I asked Sean to look into the code review backlog -- and if I get through some of the things on my plate today, I'll give it a try as well | 17:12 |
| dwalleck | We do seem to have some pretty significant XML coverage now. Those guys really went all out | 17:13 |
| davidkranz | dwalleck: Yeah. That's great. | 17:14 |
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| davidkranz | eglynn_: Do you know anything about that ticket where a nova return code changed from 404 to 400 (or not)? | 17:14 |
| dwalleck | davidkrankz: Was that in test_authorization? One of my guys mentioned something along those lines yesterday | 17:15 |
| davidkranz | dwalleck: There were two of them. One was actually changed and is fine now. The other is the problem https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/963248 | 17:16 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 963248 in nova "Return code for rebuild with non-existent image changed" [Undecided,Invalid] | 17:16 |
| davidkranz | See the last comment. | 17:16 |
| eglynn_ | davidkranz: I don't know how the regression crept in, the original change to the response code was quite a while ago | 17:16 |
| davidkranz | eglynn_: But it seems that it didn't change and is still returning 404 based on the recent gating run after tempest was changed but failed. | 17:17 |
| davidkranz | eglynn_: Is it possible that a different part of the server code is involved? | 17:18 |
| eglynn_ | davidkranz: when did the tempest test start failing, last couple days, or? | 17:19 |
| davidkranz | It only fails when the tempest test is changed to expect 400 and unskipped. See https://review.openstack.org/#/c/12994/ | 17:19 |
| eglynn_ | davidkranz: a-ha, I see ... lemme look into the history | 17:21 |
| davidkranz | eglynn_: OK, thanks. | 17:21 |
| davidkranz | Any one have any other items to discuss? | 17:22 |
| dwalleck | Can the conference be tomorrow? | 17:22 |
| dwalleck | And have full kegs in each room? :) | 17:22 |
| davidkranz | dwalleck: :) | 17:22 |
| dwalleck | Just kidding. Just looking forward to getting back in a room with you guys to brainstorm | 17:23 |
| davidkranz | dwalleck: I'm looking forward to the conference as well. | 17:23 |
| davidkranz | dwalleck: Are full kegs in each room a change to the conference format? | 17:24 |
| dwalleck | eh, who knows =P | 17:24 |
| dwalleck | Well, I'll get myself back to code reviews then if there's nothing else | 17:24 |
| dwalleck | Is the idea still that we'll take the time at the conference to discuss various options on runners and such? | 17:25 |
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| dwalleck | I didn't try to schedule any time as it seemed that unconferences worked better last time | 17:25 |
| davidkranz | dwalleck: I think it would be hard to formalize this enough right now for an actual conference session. | 17:26 |
| davidkranz | If that is all I will close the meeting. | 17:28 |
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| dwalleck | sounds good | 17:30 |
| davidkranz | #endmeeting | 17:30 |
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| dwalleck | I'm sending out that PyVows PoC I mentioned in a sec | 17:30 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2012/qa.2012-09-20-17.05.html | 17:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2012/qa.2012-09-20-17.05.txt | 17:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2012/qa.2012-09-20-17.05.log.html | 17:30 |
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| nati_ueno | Hi | 17:31 |
| zyluo | nati_ueno: hi | 17:31 |
| nati_ueno | Is there anyone who wanna talk about http://etherpad.openstack.org/quantum-tempest ? | 17:31 |
| nati_ueno | hi zyluo! | 17:31 |
| zyluo | o/ | 17:31 |
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| zyluo | mnewby is also around i think | 17:32 |
| nati_ueno | I'm grad to hear you are also working on quantum tempest | 17:32 |
| nati_ueno | ping mnewby | 17:33 |
| mnewby | i'm here | 17:33 |
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| nati_ueno | zyluo: Could you share your work on http://etherpad.openstack.org/quantum-tempest ? | 17:33 |
| nati_ueno | We have meeting last week. And we agreed test strategies | 17:34 |
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| zyluo | nati_ueno: sure as soon as I get things straighten out | 17:34 |
| nati_ueno | zyluo: Thanks! | 17:34 |
| nati_ueno | #startmeeting quantum-tempest | 17:34 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 20 17:34:54 2012 UTC. The chair is nati_ueno. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:34 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:34 |
| nati_ueno | is this works? | 17:34 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'quantum_tempest' | 17:34 |
| nati_ueno | oh its works! This is useful | 17:35 |
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| nati_ueno | #info Current discussion summary http://etherpad.openstack.org/quantum-tempest | 17:35 |
| nati_ueno | Ok I wanna talk about testing tool until waiting zyluo's update | 17:36 |
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| nati_ueno | #topic testing tool | 17:36 |
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| nati_ueno | mnewby: I wanna hear your idea about quantum-debug command | 17:36 |
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| zyluo | what does that command do? | 17:40 |
| zyluo | and where is it going to be located? Tempest or Quantum | 17:41 |
| nati_ueno | It create port for test. | 17:41 |
| nati_ueno | https://github.com/openstack/quantum/tree/master/quantum/debug | 17:41 |
| zyluo | ic i'll take a look | 17:41 |
| nati_ueno | We can test connectibility without VM | 17:41 |
| zyluo | oh cool | 17:41 |
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| nati_ueno | It uses namespace function, so each testing environments are isolated | 17:42 |
| nati_ueno | zyluo: Thanks | 17:42 |
| nati_ueno | hmm it looks mnewby isn't here. | 17:44 |
| mnewby | sorry, i'm on a call... | 17:44 |
| nati_ueno | mnewby: Oh I got it :) | 17:45 |
| zyluo | Then we can also extend this to test isolation, right? | 17:45 |
| mnewby | nati_euno: ok, done | 17:46 |
| nati_ueno | May I ask meaning of test isolation? | 17:46 |
| nati_ueno | mnewby: k | 17:46 |
| mnewby | can you please ask your question of me again? | 17:46 |
| nati_ueno | OK In previous meeting, you said something is needed to quantum-debug command | 17:47 |
| nati_ueno | So I wanna here your idea | 17:47 |
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| nati_ueno | to make the command more useful for testing | 17:47 |
| mnewby | On the subject of namespace isolation, the current debug agent is not useful because a) it requires that tempest be running on the same box as the target and b) it requires sudo privileges to do so. | 17:47 |
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| mnewby | The debug agent needs to be able to run remotely if it is to be useful. | 17:48 |
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| nati_ueno | For a) quantum-debug command can be run remotely | 17:48 |
| mnewby | Likely provided as a privileged quantum extension. | 17:48 |
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| nati_ueno | I agree for b) | 17:48 |
| mnewby | nati_ueno: it can be called via an api? I wasn't sure of that. | 17:48 |
| nati_ueno | mnewby: Ah you mean rpc. If so it not now. But we can use ssh for testing | 17:49 |
| mnewby | nati_ueno: again, that isn't really acceptable for tempest testing. | 17:50 |
| mnewby | nati_ueno: ssh'ing into a vm, yes. | 17:50 |
| mnewby | ssh'ing into a host, not so much. | 17:50 |
| nati_ueno | mnewby: I agree it is current tempest scope | 17:50 |
| nati_ueno | We should not use host ssh for blackbox testing | 17:51 |
| nati_ueno | However we can have whitebox testing which has ssh for host | 17:51 |
| nati_ueno | Rohit is also working stackmonkey testing tool which kills openstack or mysql processes during test | 17:52 |
| nati_ueno | So IMO we can extend scope of tempest | 17:52 |
| nati_ueno | We can put it on different directories | 17:52 |
| nati_ueno | I agree for rpc is more useful and cool. But I feel implementing rpc is too much for testing.. | 17:53 |
| zyluo | makes sense to me | 17:54 |
| nati_ueno | zyluo: Thanks | 17:55 |
| nati_ueno | mnewby: How about you? | 17:56 |
| mnewby | I have my doubts | 17:56 |
| mnewby | I think we should be talking to Jay and the other tempest folks about this. | 17:56 |
| mnewby | Having an unlimited scope for a project has the potential to make things very complicated indeed. | 17:57 |
| mnewby | Plus, huge issue. | 17:57 |
| mnewby | Huge | 17:57 |
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| mnewby | Metadata service doesn't work with namespaces. | 17:57 |
| mnewby | (yet) | 17:57 |
| mnewby | So compute is basically non-functional with namespaces enabled. | 17:57 |
| mnewby | Can't do all kinds of configuration, including setting password and ssh keys. | 17:57 |
| mnewby | Have you seen the bug. | 17:57 |
| mnewby | ? | 17:58 |
| nati_ueno | Not yet. But I agree for you. | 17:58 |
| nati_ueno | May be it is too fast to test namespace which looks clearly broken | 17:58 |
| nati_ueno | So I agree basic testing without namespace is more high priority now | 17:59 |
| mnewby | Is there a need for the debug agent if namespaces aren't working? | 17:59 |
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| nati_ueno | mnewby: no need | 17:59 |
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| mnewby | So, moot then. | 17:59 |
| mnewby | good/bad | 17:59 |
| mnewby | on the upside, ssh'ing should work properly then. | 18:00 |
| mnewby | without the debug agent. | 18:00 |
| nati_ueno | It depends on topology | 18:01 |
| mnewby | launch vm -> configure floating ip -> ssh | 18:01 |
| mnewby | true | 18:01 |
| nati_ueno | Ah I agree for floating ip | 18:01 |
| mnewby | we'll need to ensure that devstack can be configured with l3 and an external network | 18:02 |
| nati_ueno | yes | 18:02 |
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| mnewby | i'm wondering if we need to allow quantum to be queried as to what capabilities it is configured with... | 18:03 |
| mnewby | I was asking dan that in the monday meeting. | 18:03 |
| mnewby | like an extension | 18:03 |
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| nati_ueno | Ah that's needed | 18:04 |
| nati_ueno | IMO, namespace support with nova is needed. I wanna test network connection without floating ip also in future. | 18:05 |
| mnewby | namespace support with nova is needed, of course. | 18:05 |
| mnewby | won't happen for folsom | 18:05 |
| nati_ueno | I agree | 18:06 |
| mnewby | did you see what i wrote in the recent review? | 18:06 |
| nati_ueno | Which review? | 18:06 |
| mnewby | The fix for non-namespaced metadata server support: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/13218/ | 18:06 |
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| mnewby | The relevant comment: Supporting overlapping network spaces should be considered out-of-scope for this change. The metadata service identifies which instance to return data for by the ip address of the caller. Identifying what network the instance is calling from, in a secure manner, will likely require making a proxy for the metadata service available on each network. Such a proxy would be able to securely determine the network id and pass it on to | 18:07 |
| mnewby | metadata service. This would require not only creating and configuring the proxy, but also adding (presuming it doesn't already exist) an authenticated request path to the metadata service. | 18:07 |
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| nati_ueno | I'll take a look now | 18:07 |
| mnewby | Definitely doable to support namespaces with nova… Looks to be a lot of work, though. | 18:07 |
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| nati_ueno | hmm situation looks bad.. | 18:08 |
| nati_ueno | Let's fix it on G | 18:08 |
| nati_ueno | And let's focus tempest testing without namespace | 18:08 |
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| nati_ueno | for folsom | 18:08 |
| nati_ueno | OK I could understand mnewby's point | 18:09 |
| mnewby | ok, cool | 18:09 |
| zykes- | Will Metadata service not be supported on namespaced networks ? | 18:09 |
| nati_ueno | Let's move zyluo's one | 18:09 |
| mnewby | zykes-: Correct | 18:09 |
| zykes- | eh, ooook | 18:09 |
| nati_ueno | aha sorry typo | 18:10 |
| zykes- | doesn't that break like lots of features ? | 18:10 |
| mnewby | zykes-: Like what? | 18:10 |
| nati_ueno | #topic zyluo's WIP | 18:10 |
| zykes- | mnewby: cloud-init ? | 18:10 |
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| zykes- | isn't it the metadata service in Nova you mean ? | 18:10 |
| mnewby | zykes-: Yes. The funny thing is that the metadata service was completely broken until i added support this week. And nobody had noticed. | 18:11 |
| mnewby | #fail | 18:11 |
| zykes- | so it won't be supported at all in Folsom ? | 18:11 |
| zykes- | even with or without namespacing ? | 18:11 |
| mnewby | It will be supported | 18:11 |
| mnewby | The changes went into quantum and nova yesterday | 18:11 |
| mnewby | and will be part of folsom | 18:12 |
| mnewby | Non-namespaced only, though. | 18:12 |
| nati_ueno | mnewby: +1 | 18:12 |
| zykes- | mnewby: that kinda sucks ;p | 18:12 |
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| nati_ueno | OK let's talk about zyluo's update | 18:12 |
| nati_ueno | Ahhh he is left | 18:12 |
| nati_ueno | hmm | 18:13 |
| nati_ueno | OK mnewby do you have other topics? | 18:13 |
| mnewby | nati_ueno: I'm afraid I have nothing to report. | 18:13 |
| mnewby | I've been busy getting a working configuration (and finding bugs in the process). | 18:13 |
| nati_ueno | mnewby: I got it! I have no progress also. | 18:13 |
| nati_ueno | mnewby: Thanks! | 18:13 |
| nati_ueno | Ok | 18:13 |
| nati_ueno | #endmeeting quantum_tempest | 18:13 |
| mnewby | Ok | 18:13 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 20 18:13:57 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:13 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/quantum_tempest/2012/quantum_tempest.2012-09-20-17.34.html | 18:14 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/quantum_tempest/2012/quantum_tempest.2012-09-20-17.34.txt | 18:14 |
| zykes- | Would it be alot of work to add the functionality to the metadata stuff with namespacing or ? | 18:14 |
| mnewby | Thank you! | 18:14 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/quantum_tempest/2012/quantum_tempest.2012-09-20-17.34.log.html | 18:14 |
| zykes- | mnewby or nati_ueno . | 18:14 |
| nati_ueno | zykes-: k | 18:14 |
| mnewby | zykes-: Lots of work | 18:14 |
| zykes- | mnewby: why ? | 18:14 |
| mnewby | zykes-: Did you see my comment? | 18:14 |
| zykes- | nope | 18:14 |
| mnewby | I can repost... | 18:14 |
| zykes- | is it a route problem or something ? | 18:15 |
| mnewby | actually, just look at the review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/13218/ | 18:15 |
| mnewby | Search for @aaron | 18:15 |
| mnewby | Let me know if that answers your question. | 18:15 |
| mnewby | Btw, there are already people working on fixing the issue, it's just not simple enough to make it into folsom. | 18:15 |
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| zykes- | it just sucks that when you add feature A it breaks with feature B or features. | 18:16 |
| mnewby | zykes-: Nobody on quantum had any visibility on why the metadata service was necessary until this week | 18:17 |
| mnewby | (apparently) | 18:17 |
| zykes- | Just saying. It's sad :( | 18:17 |
| mnewby | I agree completely. | 18:17 |
| mnewby | It's a reminder that we can't work in silos. | 18:17 |
| mnewby | We need to be able to work with openstack in more than a non-trivial way. | 18:18 |
| mnewby | using the default cirros image was a major culprit in this whole debacle | 18:18 |
| mnewby | since it has a known password, and nobody was questioning why the password that nova reported wasn't getting set in the newly launched vm | 18:18 |
| mnewby | anyway, it will happen. | 18:19 |
| zykes- | It's the same thing with the floating ip stuff, it will impact users or deployers since stuff is missing or feature incompatible... | 18:19 |
| mnewby | ? | 18:19 |
| mnewby | hmmm | 18:19 |
| zykes- | floating ip in quantum isn't available in Horizon | 18:19 |
| mnewby | nova integration is missing, i gather? | 18:19 |
| mnewby | i don't understand why we couldn't implement that. | 18:19 |
| mnewby | it should be a passthrough. just update the quantum network api implementation in nova | 18:20 |
| mnewby | has this been discussed as not possible for folsom? | 18:20 |
| zykes- | dunno yet, think so. | 18:20 |
| zykes- | it's not in the RC at least | 18:20 |
| mnewby | That's a blocker as far as I'm concerned. wtf | 18:20 |
| zykes- | yeah, or in Horizon you can't assign a floating ip to a project or to a vm if using Quantum, again the same "issue" I think as with the metadata stuff, there's a change in component A which breaks or leaves something missing in B | 18:21 |
| mnewby | Why are people giving a shit about provider networks if horizon is borked?? | 18:21 |
| mnewby | *sigh* | 18:21 |
| mnewby | Quantum clearly isn't ready for production in it's current state. | 18:21 |
| mnewby | But it's close. | 18:22 |
| zykes- | i'm not out to be a douch, but these things should really be concidered I would think before releasing something that's supposed to be "Stable" | 18:22 |
| mnewby | It's the little details that need doing, most of the big stuff is there. | 18:22 |
| mnewby | I agree with you. | 18:22 |
| mnewby | Lack of testing is the major issue. | 18:22 |
| zykes- | I don't reckon a thing as just stable if it's code stable, but also feature stable as in everything should work without hickups, at least in core stuff | 18:22 |
| zykes- | and last I checked both Horizon and Quantum are core projects. | 18:23 |
| mnewby | Agreed. | 18:23 |
| zykes- | I'm trying to push OpenStack locally here and at my job, and I can say that stuff like this doesn't exactly help :p | 18:23 |
| mnewby | Well, just don't use quantum. | 18:23 |
| mnewby | Does nova network not fit the bill? | 18:23 |
| zykes- | uhm, it's like saying just don't use Horizon ;) | 18:23 |
| mnewby | Not really. | 18:24 |
| mnewby | Quantum enables advanced networking, but for basic stuff nova networks works fine. | 18:24 |
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| zykes- | I think so, the networking model with Quantum is much better with OVS and the L3 stuff then Nova Network | 18:24 |
| mnewby | Depends, though | 18:24 |
| mnewby | What are you trying to accomplish? | 18:24 |
| mnewby | If it can be done with VLANs, then you don't really need quantum. | 18:24 |
| mnewby | And if you don't need quantum, Horizon works fine. | 18:25 |
| zykes- | Still, that's not a valid point for this happening, agree? :) | 18:25 |
| mnewby | Oh, I definitely agree. | 18:25 |
| zykes- | someone should be kicking someone when this happens ;p | 18:25 |
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| mnewby | Yup. We're just too late in the release cycle for the kick to do any good. | 18:26 |
| mnewby | I'm still climbing the curve on compute, and quantum for that matter. | 18:26 |
| mnewby | But my goal is to ensure that we can have tempest tests for deployed openstack and validate quantum properly. | 18:26 |
| zykes- | heh, I think that there should be a better feature alignment with stuff that afftects multiple projects to ensure not just stability but also usability out of the box | 18:27 |
| mnewby | Totally agree. And automated testing via tempest is the way to accomplish that. | 18:27 |
| zykes- | not just tempest, but think of the end user also sitting using a web ui ;) | 18:28 |
| zykes- | ehm, cli. | 18:28 |
| mnewby | Well, selenium tests, too. | 18:28 |
| mnewby | The point is that manual testing, as much of the quantum stuff has been, just doesn't scale. | 18:28 |
| mnewby | I can see why it's hard to automate, but without it we're going to keep seeing regressions. | 18:28 |
| zykes- | would it be hard for a deployer to say pick the Nova Metadata Proxy if it get's released in early Grizzly and use it ? | 18:29 |
| zykes- | I think it would be a thing to have. | 18:29 |
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| mnewby | It's a bit compliated... | 18:29 |
| mnewby | complicated | 18:29 |
| mnewby | As per my comment, I'm pretty sure the nova metadata service will have to be updated as well. | 18:29 |
| mnewby | So not as simple as - add this piece and config. | 18:30 |
| zykes- | I can emphasise enough how much I hate going to people when promoting features and the "cool" bits, and then when deepdiving on each release have to say that X stuff breaks because of Y. | 18:30 |
| zykes- | (: | 18:30 |
| zykes- | I understand it can happen with non-core stuff, but it shouldn't be happening in a core piece of the software :/ | 18:31 |
| mnewby | I'm assuming you mean 'can't' - and you and I are in complete agreement on that. | 18:31 |
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| mnewby | But this is opensource. | 18:31 |
| zykes- | and ? | 18:32 |
| mnewby | I'm not saying it can't be done better, but it can be pretty challenging to get things done in a consistent way. So many developers (or not enough), a huge range of capabilities, tight deadlines. | 18:32 |
| mnewby | Everything is constantly evolving. | 18:32 |
| mnewby | I'm not trying to make excuses, but there are a lot of factors that can make consistency on a project like openstack a challenge. | 18:33 |
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| mnewby | anyway, have to run | 18:34 |
| zykes- | well well, i'm just trying to state that missing / incompatible core features hurts people trying to front up the cooler features where the project isn't that much heard of | 18:34 |
| mnewby | I agree. | 18:34 |
| mnewby | And i still think testing is the problem. | 18:34 |
| zykes- | mnewby: last question though, would changing the metadata api and adding the proxy be a serious change? Like version breaker. | 18:35 |
| mnewby | If we had tests that ran against nova+nova network and didn't run against nova+quantum, it would be clear what the priorities should be. | 18:35 |
| mnewby | Without that, it's easy to get lost in the weeds. | 18:35 |
| mnewby | zykes-: no breakage. | 18:35 |
| mnewby | changes would be additive | 18:36 |
| mnewby | metadata service would get some additional apis | 18:36 |
| zykes- | why not release a .1 version r something ? | 18:36 |
| mnewby | quantum would get a new service to configure | 18:36 |
| zykes- | then at least it would be "working" with all features. | 18:36 |
| mnewby | zykes-: It may be possible. At least at the source distribution level, I can see it. | 18:36 |
| zykes- | I think that should be done.. | 18:37 |
| mnewby | Not sure if the packaging policies of distros will allow it, though. | 18:37 |
| zykes- | heh, who knows.. | 18:37 |
| mnewby | Maybe ask someone like ttx? | 18:37 |
| zykes- | I can ask ubuntu folks. :p | 18:37 |
| mnewby | If anyone knows, he will. | 18:37 |
| zykes- | or ttx | 18:37 |
| mnewby | Either way, I encourage you to dig deeper. | 18:37 |
| mnewby | If it's possible, you're right, it should be done. | 18:38 |
| mnewby | Personally I'm not too invested in upstream packages. | 18:38 |
| zykes- | heh, how much time would it take to make the changes / additions ? | 18:38 |
| mnewby | Not sure. Maybe post the query to the bug? | 18:38 |
| mnewby | https://bugs.launchpad.net/quantum/+bug/1038098 | 18:38 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1038098 in quantum "Metadata service does not function when there are overlapping network address spaces" [High,Confirmed] | 18:38 |
| zykes- | How would it be done though mnewby, add a proxy thing to each network or smth and have it proxy the request with a network id + the ip ? | 18:41 |
| mnewby | zykes-: That's the shape if it, yes. | 18:41 |
| mnewby | There's no other safe way to query the metadata service. | 18:42 |
| mnewby | Can't trust any info the vm gives, so the network is the id. | 18:42 |
| zykes- | wouldn't that mean a buckload of processes ? | 18:42 |
| mnewby | Depends. | 18:42 |
| mnewby | A service could listen on multiple ports. | 18:42 |
| zykes- | multiple ip's you mean ? | 18:43 |
| mnewby | ports/ips - same difference | 18:43 |
| mnewby | it's really an ovs port it would be listening on, though | 18:43 |
| zykes- | ok | 18:44 |
| mnewby | port per namespace. | 18:44 |
| zykes- | i'm gonna try to hit ttx with this when he gets on :p | 18:44 |
| mnewby | presumably more than one service, though, for ha | 18:44 |
| mnewby | i recommend talking to the dreamhost guys first. | 18:44 |
| mnewby | (bug implementers) | 18:44 |
| mnewby | They could provide better technical info. | 18:45 |
| zykes- | who ? :p | 18:45 |
| zykes- | can't see DH mentioned there | 18:45 |
| mnewby | carl perry is dreamhost | 18:46 |
| mnewby | and the other guy involved is mark mcclain | 18:46 |
| mnewby | also dreamhost | 18:46 |
| mnewby | either one should be able to answer your questions | 18:47 |
| zykes- | I though that marmc was redhat ;p | 18:47 |
| mnewby | that's Mark McLaughlin | 18:48 |
| mnewby | different guy | 18:48 |
| zykes- | ah | 18:48 |
| mnewby | ok, have to run. | 18:50 |
| mnewby | best of luck! | 18:50 |
| mnewby | :) | 18:50 |
| mnewby | btw, are you going to be at the summit? | 18:50 |
| zykes- | mnewby: nope, i live in norway (: | 18:50 |
| zykes- | in the "City of Oil" kinda (Stavanger) | 18:51 |
| mnewby | zykes-: ah, ok. | 18:51 |
| mnewby | zykes-: I'm actually in europe right now, too. | 18:51 |
| zykes- | mnewby: where ? : | 18:51 |
| zykes- | :p | 18:51 |
| mnewby | currently amsterdam | 18:51 |
| zykes- | going to the us or ? | 18:51 |
| mnewby | i'm actually based in california | 18:51 |
| mnewby | but on a working holiday | 18:51 |
| mnewby | will be back for the summit | 18:52 |
| zykes- | ah | 18:52 |
| mnewby | was thinking of heading to norway, but i heard it was really expensive so i'm going to save it for another trip | 18:52 |
| zykes- | :p | 18:52 |
| mnewby | my grandfather was norwegian, btw. from oslo | 18:52 |
| mnewby | i hear the fjords are like nothing else. | 18:52 |
| mnewby | i'm from british columbia, in canada. so i appreciate the rugged outdoors :) | 18:53 |
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| mnewby | when i make it to norway, i'll be sure to look you up and buy you a beer. | 18:53 |
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| mnewby | ok, ttyl. | 18:54 |
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| ttx | o/ | 21:00 |
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| vishy | ohai! | 21:00 |
| vishy | #startmeeting nova | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 20 21:00:47 2012 UTC. The chair is vishy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 21:00 |
| markmc | yo | 21:00 |
| vishy | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/Nova | 21:01 |
| vishy | anyone else here? | 21:01 |
| eglynn | o/ | 21:01 |
| vishy | ttx, markmc: looks like it is just us :) | 21:01 |
| vishy | oh and eglynn | 21:01 |
| jog0 | o/ | 21:01 |
| annegentle | o/ | 21:01 |
| mikal | Hi | 21:01 |
| vishy | hi y'all | 21:02 |
| russellb | hi | 21:02 |
| annegentle | yo yo | 21:02 |
| markmc | that's more like it :) | 21:02 |
| vishy | #topic folsom-rc-potential buglist | 21:02 |
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| ewindisch | hi | 21:02 |
| vishy | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=folsom-rc-potential | 21:02 |
| ttx | anything in there that must absolutely be in folsom ? | 21:02 |
| vishy | so a few of these are kinda nasty | 21:03 |
| vishy | the 4 high ones especially | 21:03 |
| vishy | IMO, they are important enough to justify rc-2 | 21:03 |
| ttx | vishy: I think it's safe to do a RC2 at this point... just need to start being more picky about safe fixes / high impact | 21:03 |
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| ttx | also, I would like to see some coordination around bug 1050359 and bug 1053364: either fix them everywhere or nowhere in Folsom | 21:04 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1050359 in cinder "Tests fail on 32bit machines (_get_hash_str is platform dependent)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1050359 | 21:04 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1053364 in quantum "Add SIGPIPE handler to subprocess execution in rootwrap and utils.execute" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1053364 | 21:04 |
| vishy | going to untarget the first one | 21:04 |
| vishy | not worth it | 21:04 |
| vishy | going to untarget bug 1052252 as well | 21:04 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1052252 in nova "Migration 90 removes foreign keys but does not re-add them" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1052252 | 21:04 |
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| ttx | vishy: this last one sounds nasty by its description, but you downgraded its importance ? | 21:05 |
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| ttx | I suppose it's not as deadly as it sounds | 21:05 |
| vishy | no it is just one foreign key | 21:05 |
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| vishy | and things run fine without it | 21:05 |
| ttx | ohai | 21:05 |
| vishy | no reason to add a new db migration for it right now | 21:05 |
| mikal | And John is working on it now IIRC | 21:06 |
| ttx | yes, I'd like to avoid new db migrations now if we can :) | 21:06 |
| ttx | what about the SIGPIPE stuff ? | 21:06 |
| vishy | i think the sigpipe stuff is a nice to have | 21:06 |
| vishy | since we don't know any specific issues it is causing yet | 21:06 |
| markmc | the LibvirtHybridOVSBridgeDriver and the auto-assigned floating IPs ones don't look crazy risky | 21:07 |
| vishy | if we do rc2 it should go in | 21:07 |
| vishy | imo | 21:07 |
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| markmc | the SIGPIPE thing would make me fairly nervous this late | 21:08 |
| markmc | especially if we don't know of a specific serious issue it causes? | 21:09 |
| vishy | markmc: I'm ok pushing sigpipe into grizzly + stable backport later | 21:09 |
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| ttx | markmc: sounds like something we can backport later | 21:09 |
| vishy | that is probably the safe way to do it | 21:09 |
| markmc | cool | 21:09 |
| vishy | i will untarget | 21:09 |
| ttx | lets remove folsom-rc-potential there as well | 21:09 |
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| vishy | removed | 21:10 |
| vishy | anyone know any other bugs that have been missed? | 21:10 |
| vishy | I just picked up the only one that didn't have a patch in | 21:10 |
| jog0 | bug 1053041 | 21:10 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1053041 in cinder "SolarisISCSIDriver does not work" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1053041 | 21:10 |
| ttx | vishy: want me to open a folsom-rc2 window ? I think some of your Highs should be there | 21:11 |
| vishy | that is the next topic | 21:11 |
| ttx | ok, lets see if we can remove more from the rc-potential list | 21:11 |
| vishy | jog0: that fix looks harmless, is it going into cinder? | 21:12 |
| vishy | ttx: refresh i just pulled 3 | 21:12 |
| jog0 | vishy: not sure, you will have to sync with John on that | 21:12 |
| markmc | O'm not sure I understand bug 1053441 | 21:13 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1053441 in nova "Instances in vm state DELETED are preventing compute restart" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1053441 | 21:13 |
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| markmc | is it as serious as it sounds? | 21:13 |
| vishy | jog0: ok I added to the list for now | 21:13 |
| ttx | markmc: does bug 1053427 only affect nova, not cinder ? | 21:13 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1053427 in nova "solidfire volume driver's sf_allow_tenant_qos option is a boolean" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1053427 | 21:13 |
| markmc | ttx, yes, fixed in cinder already | 21:14 |
| ttx | oh, ok | 21:14 |
| markmc | ttx, it's not worth rc2 for or anything | 21:14 |
| markmc | ttx, just noticed when regenerating the sample config file | 21:14 |
| markmc | which itself would be nice to have in folsom final, but ... | 21:14 |
| vishy | markmc: it looks like a case where the db and the host got out of sync | 21:15 |
| vishy | markmc: because the compute host crashed during delete | 21:15 |
| markmc | vishy, any reason to think it's a regression vs essex? | 21:15 |
| ttx | heh, we should really be discussing folsom-rc2 first. We have fixes that are not worth respinning, but are safe enough to be included if we did respin | 21:15 |
| vishy | markmc: it makes sense to skip attempting to sync states for instances if they are in deleting state | 21:16 |
| markmc | given that it's a HP bug, it's probably an issue in essex too | 21:16 |
| vishy | markmc: true do you think that means we should push it to grizzly | 21:16 |
| vishy | ttx: I wanted to look at the bugs first, since we need to be familiar with the bugs to decide if we need a folsom-rc2 | 21:17 |
| markmc | vishy, right, issues that existed in essex aren't worth breaking folsom for at this late stage | 21:17 |
| vishy | markmc: fair enough | 21:17 |
| vishy | lets decide then | 21:17 |
| ttx | yes, and we'll need to go back to it to target the ones that are appropriate :) | 21:17 |
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| markmc | well, we certainly don't have any release blockers IMHO | 21:17 |
| vishy | #topic go/no-go on RC2 | 21:17 |
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| ttx | well, I would be very surprised if that RC1 survived long... so better start a RC2 window early | 21:18 |
| vishy | markmc: what about broken live migration with volumes | 21:18 |
| vishy | markmc: that one seems pretty important to me | 21:18 |
| markmc | this is check_for_export_parameter() thing? | 21:19 |
| markmc | sorry, I must have misunderstood - thought you said "not worth it" earlier | 21:19 |
| * markmc looks again | 21:19 | |
| vishy | that is the only one that i would be upset shipping without | 21:20 |
| ttx | markmc: in my mind, I'd like to go into "no more RCs unless a kitten gets killed" early next week. We still have one/two days to push extra fixes | 21:20 |
| markmc | well, if there's even one "we really should fix this" and we have time, then we should go for it | 21:21 |
| vishy | and i would prefer to get the other high's in | 21:21 |
| * markmc would like to see an uptodate nova.conf.sample shipped :) | 21:21 | |
| ttx | so if it's mostly things that already have fixes, I'm fine | 21:21 |
| vishy | markmc yeah :) | 21:21 |
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| ttx | ok, let's do it, but be conservative in what we put in ? | 21:22 |
| vishy | good by me | 21:22 |
| vishy | markmc: I will untarget the deleted volumes fix | 21:22 |
| sdague | yeh, it seems there should be time to do some in tree doc things. It wouldn't hurt to take a run at the man pages starts that were added as well. | 21:22 |
| vishy | markmc: any way to mark it for backport yet? | 21:22 |
| ttx | i.e. things htat already have fixes... | 21:22 |
| vishy | doc fixes should be fair game until we actually ship rc2 imo | 21:22 |
| markmc | vishy, I guess we don't have a folsom series to target it at, just tag with folsom-backport-potential | 21:23 |
| * markmc adds that to official tags | 21:23 | |
| ttx | vishy: adding to rc2 bugs that are already fixed in master, there is little risk of overflowing | 21:24 |
| jog0 | sdague: the version in the man pages should be bumped up | 21:24 |
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| ttx | vishy: if you ack I'll create the milestone so we can start playing targeting | 21:25 |
| vishy | ack | 21:25 |
| vishy | ok next topic | 21:26 |
| vishy | #action ttx to open RC-2 | 21:26 |
| ttx | https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/folsom-rc2 | 21:26 |
| vishy | #topic sample testing path | 21:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "sample testing path" | 21:26 | |
| ttx | go wild | 21:26 |
| vishy | so we got a lot of the sample tests in but there are a bunch more to go | 21:26 |
| vishy | I want to discuss where they should go. | 21:27 |
| vishy | The issue is that we may be adding new extensions during the grizzly release and potentially be improving/adding to existing extensions | 21:27 |
| vishy | but i think api.openstack.org should be for the current release | 21:28 |
| vishy | as opposed to trunk | 21:28 |
| russellb | so api.openstack.org could just pull from stable/folsom then? | 21:28 |
| vishy | so in that sense it makes sense to generate them from stable/folsom | 21:28 |
| russellb | and just backport additions that are applicable | 21:28 |
| vishy | but then we have to backport stuff into stable/folsom | 21:28 |
| sdague | is there a way to version api.openstack.org? so you could see stable as well as head? | 21:28 |
| vishy | the question is is that ok? they are just tests and docs | 21:28 |
| russellb | sdague: yeah, that'd be even better | 21:29 |
| annegentle | sdague: hm. thinking. | 21:29 |
| markmc | question is whether backporting api tests to folsom is ok? | 21:29 |
| vishy | sdague: I think we could do that. The question is more about whether it is ok to backport api_sample_tests to folsom | 21:29 |
| vishy | markmc: right | 21:29 |
| sdague | api.openstack.org/folsom api.openstack.org/grizzly, and a redirect from the default | 21:29 |
| russellb | just tests, seems fine to me | 21:29 |
| annegentle | honestly originally api.openstack.org always tracked try stack, unfortunately that's not panning out :) | 21:29 |
| russellb | that shouldn't risk breaking the code :-) | 21:29 |
| markmc | we're doing it for a good reason, I don't see why not | 21:29 |
| vishy | markmc: ok I just wasn't sure it fit perfectly with the definition of stable-maint | 21:30 |
| markmc | vishy, it doesn't exactly :) | 21:30 |
| markmc | vishy, but updating the docs is a good reason | 21:30 |
| sdague | there shouldn't be any impact, they are also helpful in nailing down behavior, to figure out if things actually changed in the way they worked from folsom to grizzly | 21:30 |
| vishy | in that case I will merge any of those are completed by rc2 in as well | 21:30 |
| vishy | and port all of them over to api.openstack.org | 21:30 |
| vishy | btw if anyone wants to help with the porting I would love it :) | 21:31 |
| markmc | sounds good | 21:31 |
| annegentle | This patches api.openstack.org with the tested samples: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/13201/ | 21:31 |
| sdague | vishy: I thought annegentle push a big chunk the other day | 21:31 |
| vishy | basically copying files over and updating the wadl's with any broken params | 21:31 |
| annegentle | however in the actual bringing them over I'm finding there are far more samples than api.openstack.org actually presents to users | 21:31 |
| vishy | annegentle: you are a superstar! | 21:31 |
| annegentle | why thank you. But but but… not sure what to do with all the awesome samples. | 21:32 |
| vishy | annegentle: yes we need to add more sections to the wadls | 21:32 |
| vishy | annegentle: I don't think there are any for xml stuff in the extensions for example | 21:32 |
| annegentle | I do get a drop down list, I wonder if something like the "create server" section could just have a bunch in the drop down? | 21:32 |
| annegentle | yeah that patch only does core also, doesn't touch extensions yet | 21:32 |
| sdague | vishy: so one thing I was always confused about on api.openstack.org, there really isn't any documentation on error returns for api calls. And samples doesn't really address that. How do we get that added in in the future | 21:33 |
| vishy | sdague: I'm not sure about that, I think there is data in some of the wadl's about that | 21:33 |
| sdague | ok | 21:33 |
| vishy | just getting the happy path stuff in first will be a huge + but there is a lot of room to continue to improve | 21:34 |
| vishy | sdague: we really need someone to drive this from a tech side | 21:34 |
| annegentle | sdague: yeah I've been tracking that omission in this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/975232 | 21:34 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 975232 in openstack-manuals "Need response codes displayed on api.openstack.org" [Medium,Triaged] | 21:34 |
| annegentle | but no one has picked it up | 21:34 |
| ttx | vishy, off-topic, but for bug 1053041 you should coordinate with jgriffith: either in both or in none ? | 21:34 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1053041 in cinder "SolarisISCSIDriver does not work" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1053041 | 21:34 |
| vishy | sdague: so if you want to come up with a plan and recruit help at the summit | 21:34 |
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| annegentle | sdague: also would like navigation for these LONG lists tracked with | 21:35 |
| annegentle | https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1039163 | 21:35 |
| sdague | vishy: yeh, that might be an option | 21:35 |
| annegentle | and | 21:35 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1039163 in openstack-manuals "api.openstack.org needs permalinks to individual items" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 21:35 |
| annegentle | https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/980228 | 21:35 |
| vishy | ttx: yes I put rc-potential so I wouldn't lose it | 21:35 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 980228 in openstack-manuals "Need anchor tags for headings built on api.openstack.org so pointers can be more exact" [Low,Confirmed] | 21:35 |
| vishy | was going to ping him after | 21:35 |
| sdague | I won't sign up quite yet, but don't let me forget about it :) | 21:35 |
| annegentle | if you know people who'd like to work on it I can certainly connect | 21:35 |
| jgriffith | ttx: I was planning it for RC2 | 21:35 |
| ttx | jgriffith: ok, then should also be in nova rc2 | 21:35 |
| vishy | the anchor tags thing looks pretty simple | 21:35 |
| vishy | and it would definitely help | 21:36 |
| annegentle | vishy: for sure | 21:36 |
| vishy | we are getting a little off topic though | 21:36 |
| vishy | lets move on | 21:36 |
| vishy | #action api samples to be backported to stable to improve documentation | 21:36 |
| vishy | #topic release notes | 21:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "release notes" | 21:36 | |
| ttx | http://wiki.openstack.org/ReleaseNotes/Folsom | 21:37 |
| vishy | thanks i was looking for that | 21:38 |
| vishy | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/ReleaseNotes/Folsom | 21:38 |
| vishy | so I would love some help writing this | 21:38 |
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| vishy | I think we should put it in an etherpad so we can all work on it | 21:38 |
| jgriffith | +1 on etherpad | 21:39 |
| vishy | #link http://etherpad.openstack.org/nova-folsom | 21:39 |
| vishy | I will add all relevent data I have today and tomorrow | 21:40 |
| vishy | but anyone who has input please help so we can make them as complete as possible | 21:40 |
| vishy | #topic open discussion | 21:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion" | 21:40 | |
| vishy | anyone have anything else? | 21:40 |
| ttx | vishy: targeted bug 1053041 to rc2 | 21:40 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1053041 in nova "SolarisISCSIDriver does not work" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1053041 | 21:40 |
| sdague | vishy: I'll pop over tomorrow and take a look | 21:40 |
| ttx | vishy: since jgriffith added to to his | 21:41 |
| vishy | ttx: great thanks | 21:41 |
| ttx | vishy: wil let you pick the other ones | 21:41 |
| ttx | and will help with the backporting tomorrow | 21:41 |
| * ttx goes to sleep | 21:41 | |
| vishy | ttx: thanks | 21:42 |
| vishy | ok sounds like we are done | 21:42 |
| vishy | thanks everyone! | 21:42 |
| vishy | #endmeeting nova | 21:42 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meeting Channel || http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings" | 21:42 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 20 21:42:42 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:42 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2012/nova.2012-09-20-21.00.html | 21:42 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2012/nova.2012-09-20-21.00.txt | 21:42 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2012/nova.2012-09-20-21.00.log.html | 21:42 |
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