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| edleafe | #startmeeting nova_scheduler | 14:00 |
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| edleafe | #link Agenda for this meeting https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NovaScheduler#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 30 14:00:13 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is edleafe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| cdent | o/ | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_scheduler' | 14:00 |
| takashin | \o | 14:00 |
| efried | \o | 14:00 |
| mriedem | o/ | 14:00 |
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| edleafe | Who's around this UGT morning? | 14:01 |
| * efried googles UGT and is unsatisfied. | 14:01 | |
| jaypipes | o/ | 14:02 |
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| edleafe | efried: http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html | 14:02 |
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| edleafe | efried: the last line is especially relevant | 14:02 |
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| edleafe | Let's get started | 14:03 |
| edleafe | #topic Specs | 14:03 |
| edleafe | Still only one spec remaining spec | 14:03 |
| edleafe | #link Add spec for symmetric GET and PUT of allocations https://review.openstack.org/#/c/508164/ | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:03 | |
| edleafe | Just needs some lovin' (and some reviews) | 14:03 |
| edleafe | Anything else for specs? | 14:03 |
| * alex_xu lurk at here just for avoiding task assigning | 14:03 | |
| edleafe | alex_xu: smart man! | 14:03 |
| edleafe | #topic Reviews | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Reviews (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:04 | |
| edleafe | #link Nested RP series starting with: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/377138/ | 14:04 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: any comments? | 14:04 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: in process of rebasing. should be up in about 15 minutes | 14:05 |
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| jaypipes | edleafe: we've all been competing for microversions :) | 14:05 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: cool | 14:05 |
| efried | I won the first battle. | 14:05 |
| edleafe | yeah, I have $50 riding on the outcome | 14:05 |
| efried | But I shall not win the war. | 14:05 |
| edleafe | :) | 14:05 |
| * cdent is going to lose | 14:05 | |
| * cdent has three horses in this race | 14:06 | |
| efried | Though in the grand scheme of things, not sure "making everyone rebase" counts as a win. | 14:06 |
| edleafe | efried: it ain't a loss | 14:06 |
| bauzas | oh man, DST bye bye | 14:06 |
| * bauzas waves now | 14:07 | |
| jaypipes | cdent: you'll probably win the next race... :) | 14:07 |
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| efried | bauzas For even more fun, American DST ends next weekend. | 14:07 |
| bauzas | yeah I know | 14:07 |
| bauzas | US != EU timeshifts | 14:07 |
| bauzas | anyway | 14:08 |
| efried | DST is stupid. | 14:08 |
| edleafe | I'll lose 25 hours next weekend | 14:08 |
| efried | should be abolished. | 14:08 |
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| bauzas | jaypipes: now the next patches for the nrp series are about the placement DB, right? | 14:08 |
| bauzas | I mean the API DB | 14:08 |
| edleafe | efried: I don't think anyone who has coded datetimes would argue | 14:08 |
| bauzas | efried: edleafe: well, my laptop gave me the right time today, but I didn't looked at the notification :p | 14:09 |
| bauzas | so, PEBKAC :p | 14:09 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: yep | 14:09 |
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| bauzas | jaypipes: k, will look | 14:09 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: though it's the REST API one that continues to get the microversion shaft... :) | 14:09 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: gotta be quicker! | 14:10 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: :) | 14:10 |
| edleafe | ok, next up: | 14:10 |
| edleafe | #link Add traits to GET /allocation_candidates series starting with https://review.openstack.org/479776/ | 14:10 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/377138/ is the one that is ready for review (but I need to rebase so wait up for 15 mins) | 14:10 |
| edleafe | efried: alex_xu: comments? | 14:10 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: k | 14:11 |
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| alex_xu | The whole series passed the all the existed functional test, the next around is about refine the patch, add more testcases | 14:11 |
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| efried | I'm wondering whether we should do granular at the same time, rather than trying to stage it. But if it's close, then may as well. | 14:11 |
| edleafe | efried: remember, our motto is merge shit early! | 14:12 |
| edleafe | next up: | 14:12 |
| edleafe | #link POST /allocations to set allocations for >1 consumers - series starting with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/512420/ | 14:12 |
| edleafe | Looks like that series is moving along nicely | 14:12 |
| edleafe | cdent: comments? | 14:12 |
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| cdent | nothing to add really. I earlier this morning fixed up a comment that made what version was being talked about a bit unclear | 14:13 |
| cdent | it’s got the right (for the next few minutes at least) microversion on it | 14:13 |
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| cdent | I hope it is good to go | 14:13 |
| edleafe | ok, everyone who has bet that cdent wins the next microversion race, go review that series! | 14:15 |
| edleafe | Last review on the agenda: | 14:15 |
| edleafe | #link Alternate hosts: series starting with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/499239/ | 14:15 |
| edleafe | I'm in the process of splitting the RPC flag for the change into two separate flags to indicate 1) do we use the new selection objects and 2) if the first is true, do we want alternates returned? | 14:15 |
| edleafe | This is for some actions that don't retry at the cell level. | 14:15 |
| edleafe | I should have something posted a little later today | 14:16 |
| efried | edleafe Can we add the 'granular' series(es) to the list please: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/granular-resource-requests | 14:16 |
| edleafe | #link Granular resource requests https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/granular-resource-requests | 14:16 |
| edleafe | efried: anything to discuss? | 14:17 |
| efried | I'm coming at this from both sides: one subseries from the flavor end - starting at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/515151/ | 14:17 |
| efried | and the other starting on the placement side, starting at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/514091/ | 14:17 |
| efried | For the former, the bottom change has had some attention. Would love to get some followup and see if I've landed stuff the way jaypipes and gibi like it. | 14:18 |
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| efried | For the latter, the bottom change could use some eyeballs on it. | 14:18 |
| efried | I want to note that there's a separate series that was working on parsing traits from flavors. | 14:19 |
| efried | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/492026/ | 14:19 |
| edleafe | efried: hope that the result of attacking from both ends doesn't end up like https://tctechcrunch2011.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/train_20tracks.jpg | 14:19 |
| efried | hah! I hope so too. | 14:19 |
| efried | Anyway, I believe mine is a superset, and could conceivably supersede the above. | 14:20 |
| edleafe | efried: ok, be sure to update the agenda next week with your progress | 14:20 |
| efried | And from the placement side, I'm going to be somewhat lockstepping with alex_xu | 14:20 |
| efried | edleafe Roger wilco. | 14:20 |
| edleafe | Any other reviews to discuss? | 14:21 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: yeah, one sec | 14:21 |
| bauzas | next week ? | 14:21 |
| bauzas | isn't the Summit, folks ? :p | 14:21 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/de-orm-resource-providers | 14:21 |
| edleafe | bauzas: you are correct s/week/meeting | 14:22 |
| bauzas | that reminds me, I'll be out starting on Wed | 14:22 |
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| bauzas | and I fsckly need to write 20 slides | 14:22 |
| bauzas | so... | 14:22 |
| bauzas | not a huge week for me, I guess | 14:22 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: anything to note about those reviews? | 14:22 |
| mriedem | jaypipes: does that close out the de-orm stuff? | 14:23 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: it does indeed. | 14:23 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: nope | 14:23 |
| edleafe | ok, then let's move on | 14:23 |
| edleafe | #topic Bugs | 14:23 |
| edleafe | #link Placement bugs https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=placement | 14:23 |
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| edleafe | Two new bugs this week | 14:24 |
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| edleafe | Both are being worked on | 14:24 |
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| edleafe | Anyone have anything else to discuss about bugs? | 14:24 |
| jaypipes | gibi: is lajos still working on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/497399/? | 14:25 |
| efried | (Haven't seen gibi around today) | 14:25 |
| jaypipes | k | 14:25 |
| edleafe | #topic Open discussion | 14:26 |
| edleafe | Nothing on the agenda | 14:26 |
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| edleafe | 1) as bauzas pointed out, no meeting next week because of the Sydney Forum | 14:26 |
| edleafe | 2) I'll be out the following week, so if anyone wants to run the meeting, it's all yours! | 14:26 |
| jaypipes | efried and I will be lonely. | 14:26 |
| efried | :( | 14:27 |
| efried | jaypipes we'll have each other | 14:27 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: That's how I felt during Boston | 14:27 |
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| edleafe | Anything else to discuss? | 14:27 |
| jaypipes | not from me. | 14:28 |
| cdent | jaypipes and efried should be able to gain some advantage in the microversion races | 14:28 |
| bauzas | I'm done, need to write slides | 14:28 |
| jaypipes | cdent: heh :) | 14:28 |
| efried | cdent Well, maybe I will. Nobody will be around to approve jaypipes's patches. | 14:28 |
| jaypipes | good point :) | 14:28 |
| edleafe | OK, thanks everyone! | 14:29 |
| edleafe | #endmeeting | 14:29 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 30 14:29:09 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:29 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2017/nova_scheduler.2017-10-30-14.00.html | 14:29 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2017/nova_scheduler.2017-10-30-14.00.txt | 14:29 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2017/nova_scheduler.2017-10-30-14.00.log.html | 14:29 |
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| jeblair | anyone want to meet with zuul | 22:00 |
| jeblair | i mean about zuul | 22:00 |
| jeblair | i totally meant about | 22:00 |
| jeblair | meeting zuul is tomorrow | 22:00 |
| jeblair | no i mean, the meeting is today | 22:01 |
| clarkb | hello | 22:01 |
| Shrews | awww... i was about to check my fridge to greet our new overlord | 22:01 |
| jeblair | tomorrow is halloween | 22:01 |
| jhesketh | spooky | 22:01 |
| jhesketh | o/ | 22:01 |
| jeblair | jhesketh: boo! | 22:01 |
| fungi | boo-urns? | 22:02 |
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| * fungi was saying boo-urns | 22:02 | |
| clarkb | I get to take two little chewbaccas around the neighborhood tomorrow | 22:02 |
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| jhesketh | fungi: I was saying boo-urns | 22:02 |
| jhesketh | (ah, you beat me to it) | 22:02 |
| jeblair | clarkb: also your kids, right? | 22:02 |
| clarkb | jeblair: ya | 22:02 |
| pabelanger | candy please | 22:03 |
| jeblair | #startmeeting zuul | 22:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 30 22:03:24 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jeblair. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'zuul' | 22:03 |
| jeblair | i guess we should start with.... | 22:03 |
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| jeblair | let's not have a meeting next week | 22:03 |
| fungi | let's not, no | 22:03 |
| jeblair | on account of many of us will be in australia where the timezones are all weird anyway | 22:03 |
| clarkb | it will be sunday too | 22:04 |
| clarkb | er | 22:04 |
| clarkb | I did that math wrong | 22:04 |
| clarkb | tuesday! | 22:04 |
| jeblair | see what i mean? | 22:04 |
| jeblair | it's hopeless | 22:04 |
| Shrews | will people be recovered enough for the following meeting? | 22:04 |
| jeblair | i will be erm... bushwalking is i think the term. | 22:04 |
| clarkb | I'll be back | 22:05 |
| jeblair | (i'll be away the week after summit) | 22:05 |
| jhesketh | 9am Tuesday to be exact ;-) | 22:05 |
| jeblair | mordred is taking time off this week, but i think he will be back the week after | 22:05 |
| jeblair | (the week after summit that is) | 22:06 |
| jeblair | don't hold me to that | 22:06 |
| jeblair | in fact, never hold me accountable for mordred's schedule. just passing along what i think i know :) | 22:06 |
| clarkb | ha | 22:07 |
| jeblair | so yeah, sounds like we'll have most folks around after summit, with me being away and it sounds like Shrews may be planning on needing a long recovery. :) | 22:07 |
| Shrews | i will not need a recovery as i will not be traveling | 22:08 |
| jeblair | Shrews: no one had to know that | 22:08 |
| Shrews | well, not to sydney, at least | 22:08 |
| jeblair | Shrews: summit's busy, you can totally fake being there | 22:08 |
| jeblair | i really have had people say "i can't believe i didn't see you at ..." | 22:09 |
| jeblair | despite my being present 12 hours a day in like every track | 22:09 |
| jeblair | anyway | 22:09 |
| fungi | i get home thursday night after the summit, so will hopefully be awake and at least as eloquent as usual by monday | 22:09 |
| jeblair | let's say no meeting next week (summit) and yes meeting week after | 22:09 |
| fungi | wfm | 22:09 |
| clarkb | sounds good | 22:10 |
| jeblair | and we can always send out an email canceling it if folks don't feel like it | 22:10 |
| pabelanger | ++ | 22:10 |
| jeblair | #info no meeting next week (nov 6) due to openstack summit | 22:10 |
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| jeblair | okay, with that out of the way... the agenda's open -- anything we should discuss? (SpamapS wanted to discuss road to v3 release starting at ~22:30) | 22:11 |
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| jeblair | i think the 'zuul issues' section of the https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zuulv3-issues is looking pretty good | 22:12 |
| clarkb | are there any urgent fixes for things that need review? Seems like its been much more quiet today | 22:12 |
| jeblair | there are still zuul issues, but i don't think any are urgent at this point | 22:12 |
| jeblair | and even the job issues are looking tractable now | 22:12 |
| jeblair | we're still mid-transition on the zuul.projects list -> dict transition | 22:13 |
| jeblair | i had to revert the latest attempt at that over the weekend | 22:13 |
| jeblair | i'm sure we'll figure out the right way to do that soon... though i'm starting to wonder if mordred's idea of a filter to handle that may not be a bad idea :) | 22:13 |
| jeblair | over the weekend i pushed up 78 changes to add .yaml file extensions to playbook names | 22:14 |
| clarkb | I'd like to make an 0.11.0 gear release today if possible to pick up that chagne to statsd reporting | 22:14 |
| jeblair | clarkb: ++ i'm happy to release as soon as it merges | 22:14 |
| clarkb | it has merged, do you want to tag or should I go ahead and do it? | 22:14 |
| jeblair | clarkb: i say go for it | 22:15 |
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| clarkb | ok I'll work on that now | 22:15 |
| jeblair | my plan for the playbook extension deprecation is basically to see if all those changes get merged by the time i get back from bushwalking | 22:15 |
| jeblair | and if they are, consider that a reasonable deprecation period, and then drop support for not having extensions | 22:16 |
| jeblair | i'll send an email to the infra list for other zuul users | 22:16 |
| Shrews | jeblair: is there a reason we *must* deprecate that? | 22:16 |
| pabelanger | Yup, we even did a puppet modules release this morning using native zuulv3 jobs :) | 22:16 |
| clarkb | jeblair: it is possible for new changes to use the old format though right? | 22:17 |
| clarkb | do we have to worry about new regressions showing up? | 22:17 |
| jeblair | though my feeling is that between now and v3.0 release, we don't need a firm backwards compat commitment. no one should be using this that isn't prepared to use under-development softwaer. | 22:17 |
| jeblair | clarkb: yes. i'll check again later and see if more changes are needed. | 22:17 |
| jeblair | if the deprecation doesn't go smoothly, then we'll have to work out how to deal with it... drop projects? force-merge changes? i dunno. | 22:18 |
| fungi | i'm cool with the latter in this circumstance | 22:18 |
| jeblair | Shrews: i'd like our initial release of the job syntax to be as clear as possible | 22:18 |
| Shrews | fair 'nuf | 22:18 |
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| jeblair | Shrews: after we release with an actual commitment, changes will have to be slower | 22:19 |
| fungi | since we have a distributed configuration we're now responsible for, transitions like this can't wait for every single project-team to take their time reviewing | 22:19 |
| jeblair | but i think we should grant ourselves a paper-bag period to fix things like this | 22:19 |
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| jeblair | fungi: ++ that's honestly the least disruptive thing. | 22:20 |
| fungi | and yeah, we have administrative override for the code review system, and i feel like this is one of the few legitimate use cases | 22:20 |
| pabelanger | I really like the .yaml change, and happy we did it. | 22:20 |
| jeblair | we've already insta-deprecated the implied playbook (there were only 2 instances of that in the whole system). i couldn't make that backwards compat, so i just fixed one instance before implementation. | 22:20 |
| jeblair | and missed the second one. i didn't realize my 'clone-all-repos' script aborted 2/3 of the way through. | 22:21 |
| jeblair | but it's since been fixed. | 22:21 |
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| jeblair | the third deprecation thing is one i just pushed up: https://review.openstack.org/516451 | 22:21 |
| jeblair | changes 'override-branch' to 'override-checkout' | 22:21 |
| jeblair | there was an email to the infra list about that one too, and that seemed to be the preferred approach | 22:22 |
| jeblair | we can support backwards compat for a weeks-long deprecation period like the .yaml change with that one too | 22:22 |
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| pabelanger | do you have a general idea when you'd like to tag v3.0? | 22:23 |
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| jeblair | yes, but let's wait 5 more mins for SpamapS :) | 22:25 |
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| jeblair | anything else in the interim? | 22:27 |
| fungi | i really like zuul v3 | 22:27 |
| fungi | that is all | 22:27 |
| jeblair | \o/ | 22:27 |
| tristanC | o/ I'll be rebasing and resume work on zuul-web in the next few days | 22:27 |
| jeblair | tristanC: welcome back! | 22:28 |
| Shrews | halloween joke while waiting for SpamapS: Why is it that programmers always confuse Halloween with Christmas? | 22:28 |
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| Shrews | Because 31 OCT = 25 DEC | 22:28 |
| fungi | octal conversion? | 22:28 |
| fungi | yup | 22:28 |
| jeblair | nice :) | 22:28 |
| fungi | always liked that one | 22:29 |
| jeblair | i think we're getting to the point where we can "unfreeze" the development work we paused during the infra rollout, so hopefully we can start landing fun things like the dashboard, etc, soon :) | 22:29 |
| pabelanger | OOh, nice | 22:30 |
| tristanC | sweet, seems like you have been busy polishing things :) | 22:30 |
| fungi | that'll be swell | 22:30 |
| * SpamapS is here | 22:30 | |
| Shrews | "And there was much rejoicing." | 22:30 |
| fungi | a stray SpamapS appears | 22:30 |
| SpamapS | zomg no, because Halloween IS my christmas | 22:30 |
| jeblair | #topic v3 roadmap | 22:31 |
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| jeblair | at the last ptg we brainstormed a roadmap | 22:31 |
| jeblair | which i've held on to because it's just been "put out all the fires" since then | 22:31 |
| jeblair | but i think now's the time to get back to that | 22:32 |
| SpamapS | \o/ | 22:32 |
| jeblair | i've polished it up and will send out an email with it soon | 22:32 |
| jeblair | but here's my previous draft: http://paste.openstack.org/show/625018/ | 22:32 |
| jeblair | i need to update it once more to catch it up with some changes | 22:32 |
| jeblair | but i've laid out what i think we need for the v3 release | 22:33 |
| jeblair | the first section, btw, is all stuff that i think we can land *very* quickly because it's already in progress or nearly complete | 22:33 |
| clarkb | jeblair: based on earlier conversation with dmsimard and pabelanger about helping infra and where people can get involved it might be worth adding a zuulv3 entry to the help wanted specs entry? maybe use a meta spec that points at zuuls kanban board thing? | 22:33 |
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| jeblair | that leaves the second section for things that need development work between now and then | 22:34 |
| jeblair | er 'significant' development work | 22:34 |
| jeblair | clarkb: good idea | 22:34 |
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| * SpamapS reading | 22:34 | |
| jeblair | and speaking of which -- after we discuss/revise this over email | 22:35 |
| jeblair | what should we do with it? | 22:35 |
| jeblair | translate into storyboard? stick into zuul repo as rst? ...other? | 22:35 |
| SpamapS | git driver support for reading zuul-jobs and such without github/gerrit credentials ? | 22:35 |
| SpamapS | What's this one about? | 22:35 |
| clarkb | SpamapS: basically pointing at a "raw" git repo aiui | 22:36 |
| jeblair | SpamapS: oh basically "make the git driver work" so that your zuul can use openstack-infra/zuul-jobs without using gerrit or github | 22:36 |
| clarkb | SpamapS: so no gerrit or github, could just be local on disk | 22:36 |
| fungi | a lot of these look like they could spawn their own specs | 22:36 |
| SpamapS | jeblair: Oh storyboard.. man.. I totally forgot to even go back to that and look at it once the bombs started dropping in the cutover. ;) | 22:36 |
| jeblair | fungi: certainly the longterm/design ones yeah. in fact, almost each one of those would make a good spec. | 22:36 |
| pabelanger | I could give storyboard a try again, i didn't use it too much first time around. But if we are to make it a thing in openstack, I'm willing try harder | 22:36 |
| SpamapS | jeblair: ah, and then other not-code-review based triggers? | 22:36 |
| tristanC | SpamapS: jeblair: will this git driver implement periodic update to poll merged changes? | 22:36 |
| clarkb | The board required extra special privs to edit right? | 22:37 |
| clarkb | I think that was my biggest struggle any time I interacted with it | 22:37 |
| jeblair | tristanC: that was what i was thinking, yes | 22:37 |
| clarkb | I as user couldn't actually use it beyond reading descriptions | 22:37 |
| SpamapS | clarkb: you just have to be added to the board. | 22:37 |
| SpamapS | clarkb: but we had a bot that added and removed work that was in progress | 22:37 |
| jeblair | still do have the bot in fact :) | 22:37 |
| SpamapS | It was mostly just to give a high level view for coordinating new contributors. | 22:38 |
| SpamapS | jeblair: hah yeah I suppose I think of that as "in a former life" because I haven't been able to keep up with overall dev since BonnyCI was wound down. | 22:38 |
| SpamapS | anyway, the git driver sounds awesome, but I believe you could cut 3.0 without it. | 22:39 |
| tristanC | jeblair: on the (probably) significant work, should we discuss workflow around nodepool building speculative image for container based project? | 22:39 |
| SpamapS | Unless there's some submarine dependency chain I missed there. | 22:39 |
| SpamapS | same for cross-source deps | 22:39 |
| clarkb | SpamapS: I think the git driver thing is a simplicity in deployment eg good user experience thing | 22:40 |
| jeblair | i agree using storyboard for this is theoretically a good idea, but it takes more work than editing a text file to manage, so if we do, i'd like for two things: other folks to help manage it and do all the typing and clicking and stuff, as well as people actually using it (not just theoretical in case a new contributor shows up and asks what do i do?) | 22:40 |
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| SpamapS | jeblair: I'd be on board with just closing everything that isn't a bug in storyboard, and moving to feature trackign in text files. | 22:41 |
| jeblair | SpamapS: well, git driver is in there because we want a big part of the story to be "you can use this standard library of jobs super easy" and "hook up your zuul to zuul's gerrit" is not super easy :) | 22:41 |
| * Shrews reiterates his hate for storyboard | 22:41 | |
| jeblair | fortunately, the git driver will be easy | 22:42 |
| jeblair | it's mostly written | 22:42 |
| clarkb | I know I'm personally bad at storyboard, big hurdle for me is I can't tell it to send email to a different address, but I can work around that with forwards and stuff if i have to | 22:43 |
| jeblair | SpamapS: similarly, i think cross-source deps is a crucial feature, and it may have implications for driver behavior that i think would be good to iron out before we have a release cut. | 22:43 |
| clarkb | I'm also still somewhat confused about how the baord is supposed to work because iirc I couldn't edit anything on it like entry descriptions even | 22:44 |
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| jeblair | how about this: i will volunteer to help maintain the board in storyboard if at least one other person is willing to split duties with me 50%. otherwise, let's assume we'd all prefer stuff in text files and just add it to the repo in dev docs. | 22:45 |
| SpamapS | So, let me just say that I think all of what you're saying is great. But I also think that what's in Zuul now is perfectly usable and fine without those features and a 3.0 that did not have them would be amazingly cool and useful to have ASAP. | 22:45 |
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| fungi | clarkb: the tasks belong to stories, so the tasklists and boards are just there for you to organize the tasks | 22:45 |
| SpamapS | Truth be told, I think the only thing in that list that _must_ be done is documentation. And I'm signing up to write a "getting started guide" with leifmadsen as soon as I feel I have gotten through that phase (which actually is probably last Friday). | 22:46 |
| clarkb | fungi: ya it was the actual baord entries iirc that you couldn't edit as they have their own attributes and descriptions/comments iirc | 22:46 |
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| fungi | ahh | 22:47 |
| clarkb | jeblair: I feel like I've got to figure out the todo list generally for infra so I'd be willint to help with zuul specifically too | 22:47 |
| clarkb | whether that is text files or storyboard | 22:47 |
| SpamapS | To address the lack of git driver, I am just maintaining my own zuul-jobs mirror. I have only one source, so I don't need cross-source deps or anything. | 22:47 |
| fungi | i will admit i've not used storyboard much beyond dealing with tasks in the story context, so am a little unfamiliar with the tasklist and board ui | 22:48 |
| SpamapS | What I do need is a web page I can send my bosses to where they can see a real project that has other users that will provide a pool of engineering talent and general forward momentum to convince them to invest in Zuul. | 22:48 |
| leifmadsen | SpamapS: nice, I mostly just need to finish my work on AWX and the Ansible tower_* modules. Once that is done, I want to automate the documentation I have in a quickstart guide so that it can set us up with a reproducible environment to start from. | 22:48 |
| jeblair | SpamapS: yeah, we definitely should avoid featuritis. i'm trying to hold the line, but for me it feels very incomplete to have multiple drivers but not have them interact. the git driver, i'm not worried about. i can finish it fast enough it's not worth arguing about :) | 22:49 |
| SpamapS | leifmadsen: Sure. Can we just start with rst in zuul/doc/source ? | 22:49 |
| leifmadsen | SpamapS: how about we start with getting something working with rough notes before we worry about dealing with syntax issues in RST | 22:49 |
| SpamapS | Cause I've been taking copious rst-ish notes for the last 3 weeks. ;) | 22:49 |
| leifmadsen | I have an etherpad started via mordred and jeblair | 22:49 |
| leifmadsen | SpamapS: send them my way, and I'll work through them to test and find your bugs :) | 22:50 |
| leifmadsen | I guarantee there are bugs :) | 22:50 |
| SpamapS | leifmadsen: k | 22:50 |
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| leifmadsen | for, I am, THE BUG FINDER | 22:50 |
| leifmadsen | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zuulv3-quickstart | 22:50 |
| leifmadsen | this is the start of the docs (pre-zuul install) | 22:50 |
| SpamapS | jeblair: yeah I don't want to be pushy. I want to be a cheer leader. Ra ra ra.. let's go RELEASE! Sis boom bah, git 'er done... | 22:50 |
| leifmadsen | however, I'm probably just going to stop fighting CentOS 7 and assume you need to run Fedora for Zuul for now | 22:50 |
| * fungi thinks leifmadsen needs a catchy theme song to go along with his new television series title | 22:50 | |
| leifmadsen | fungi: you think I don't have one already? | 22:51 |
| leifmadsen | pashaw | 22:51 |
| fungi | ahh, you likely do yes ;) | 22:51 |
| SpamapS | leifmadsen: cool, I may take that, submit it as a patch to feature/zuulv3, and then add my own on top, because I can't really stand etherpads for things like this (they're great for in-the-moment collab.. not somuch for async) | 22:51 |
| leifmadsen | it sounds a lot like the Duck Tales theme song | 22:51 |
| fungi | good enough | 22:52 |
| leifmadsen | SpamapS: that still sounds terrible for async work :) | 22:52 |
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| jeblair | yeah, the etherpad was good for our interactive session (of which i hope to have another soon) | 22:52 |
| leifmadsen | yea, I will probably mostly ignore other documentation work for now, for fear of it getting too distracting, or jumping too far ahead of what I was trying to accomplish | 22:53 |
| pabelanger | leifmadsen: SpamapS: I'd recommend fedora or ubuntu, centos is going to need a fair bit more things to get into place | 22:53 |
| jeblair | but i don't see why we can't dump that into the tree, then work on top of it (can always move it back to an etherpad for another interactive session) | 22:53 |
| leifmadsen | docs are great, I encourage that, but you already know Zuul, so your approach will be different | 22:53 |
| leifmadsen | pabelanger: welcome to 2 minutes ago :) | 22:53 |
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| leifmadsen | 18:50 <leifmadsen> however, I'm probably just going to stop fighting CentOS 7 and assume you need to run Fedora for Zuul for now | 22:54 |
| pabelanger | indeed | 22:54 |
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| leifmadsen | my approach was to start with documentation from a "I don't know what the fuck I'm doing here!" approach. That approach found 2 bugs in a single 3 hour session :) | 22:54 |
| jeblair | leifmadsen: i'm available wednesday and thursday, then i'm out for 2 weeks, but mordred should be back the week after next. | 22:54 |
| leifmadsen | jeblair: Wednesday it is then | 22:54 |
| leifmadsen | I have the whole day open | 22:54 |
| leifmadsen | jeblair: pick any time on my calendar that works for you | 22:55 |
| leifmadsen | I will spend time getting what we have automated tomorrow then | 22:55 |
| leifmadsen | then we can reproduce the first set of this documentation with a single button | 22:55 |
| jeblair | cool, anyone else want to hop on an interactive bootstrapping phone call? | 22:55 |
| pabelanger | don't mind listening in | 22:55 |
| leifmadsen | I have a Fedora image on RDO cloud, and I have the ansible stuff to spin up VMs there very easily | 22:55 |
| leifmadsen | I don't expect the first half of this to take to long to automate | 22:56 |
| leifmadsen | too long* | 22:56 |
| clarkb | I won't be able to make wednesday but I've stumbled my way through zuulv3 bootstrapping to test gerrit 2.13 so I think I'll be ok | 22:56 |
| leifmadsen | cool -- I won't be using gerrit in my docs :) | 22:56 |
| leifmadsen | the less infra required to play around in a quickstart, the better | 22:56 |
| jeblair | also, we should fix up https://review.openstack.org/498050 and merge it | 22:56 |
| leifmadsen | jeblair: the royal we, right? :) | 22:56 |
| leifmadsen | if there was any chance of having that cleaned up and merged before wednesday would make things simpler, but I can automate around it | 22:57 |
| jeblair | the actual we.. mordred mentions stuff in that commit message i'm not sure about. | 22:57 |
| jeblair | it takes a village. | 22:58 |
| leifmadsen | +1 | 22:58 |
| leifmadsen | np, easy enough to cherry pick in likely | 22:58 |
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| jeblair | okay, i'll polish up the draft list i pasted and send out an email with it for further discussion | 22:58 |
| jeblair | #action jeblair send out roadmap email | 22:59 |
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| jeblair | anything else in the 1m we have left? | 22:59 |
| leifmadsen | cool, and I'll make sure I can spin up our phase 1 docs easily so we have somewhere to start from on Wednesday | 22:59 |
| jeblair | leifmadsen: ++ thanks! | 22:59 |
| leifmadsen | I gotta go actually | 22:59 |
| leifmadsen | so no :) | 22:59 |
| SpamapS | I have to buzz off to other meetings (already kind of did) | 22:59 |
| * leifmadsen goes to hang with kids before bed | 22:59 | |
| SpamapS | anyway, this all sounds great! | 22:59 |
| jeblair | thanks everyone! | 22:59 |
| fungi | thanks jeblair! | 23:00 |
| SpamapS | looking forward to 3.0'ing with everyone :) | 23:00 |
| jeblair | #endmeeting | 23:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 30 23:00:16 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2017/zuul.2017-10-30-22.03.html | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2017/zuul.2017-10-30-22.03.txt | 23:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2017/zuul.2017-10-30-22.03.log.html | 23:00 |
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