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| dirk | IgorYozhikov: around? | 13:01 |
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| jpena | o/ | 13:02 |
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| dirk | #startmeeting rpm_packaging | 13:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 9 13:04:10 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dirk. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rpm_packaging' | 13:04 |
| dirk | ping toabctl, dirk, apevec, aplanas, IgorYozhikov, jpena, jruzicka, number80, kaslcrof | 13:04 |
| dirk | #chair jpena IgorYozhikov | 13:04 |
| openstack | Current chairs: IgorYozhikov dirk jpena | 13:04 |
| dirk | #topic roll call | 13:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:04 | |
| toabctl | hi | 13:04 |
| dirk | please update agenda at | 13:06 |
| dirk | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-rpm-packaging | 13:06 |
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| dirk | #topic PTG planning | 13:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTG planning (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:09 | |
| dirk | does anyone have updates to share? | 13:10 |
| toabctl | IgorYozhikov, have you talked to number80 ? | 13:10 |
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| toabctl | dirk, looks like n update | 13:11 |
| toabctl | jpena, or do you have anything? | 13:11 |
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| jpena | no, no updates from my side | 13:12 |
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| toabctl | dirk, next topic? | 13:13 |
| dirk | sure | 13:13 |
| dirk | #topic branching? | 13:14 |
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| dirk | it looks like all projects have branched meanwhile | 13:14 |
| dirk | do we want to wait for something with branching? some review still to go in? | 13:15 |
| jpena | if we could merge neutron and nova, it would be great, but we could wait | 13:15 |
| toabctl | there are some updates needed. see http://toabctl.de/openstack/rpm-packaging-status-ocata.html | 13:16 |
| toabctl | or maybe the script needs to be adjusted to no longer look for master | 13:16 |
| * toabctl needs to check | 13:16 | |
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| dirk | toabctl: yeah, it needs to check stable/ocata. which doesn't exist yet for requirements (we're just discussing that in the other channel= | 13:17 |
| dirk | but it will be created later today | 13:17 |
| dirk | jpena: we can always cherry pick it into stable/ocata I'd say | 13:18 |
| dirk | main question for me on whether or not to branch would be the availability of CI | 13:18 |
| dirk | suse ci is ready, how about rdo ? | 13:18 |
| dirk | I remember that IgorYozhikov said that mos ci still needs some time but he'd be fine with branching anyway | 13:18 |
| jpena | I would need to make some adjustments to our CI scripts (and have a second instance with ocata packages), but initially everything should work | 13:18 |
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| dirk | are you planning to do that in time - should we wait for that? | 13:19 |
| jpena | for the second instance I'll have to wait a bit, the CI scripts can be adjusted easily | 13:20 |
| jpena | so let's branch, and if something breaks I'll do my best to fix it | 13:20 |
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| * dirk was distracted again | 13:27 | |
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| dirk | #agreed we'll branch to stable/ocata | 13:28 |
| dirk | I'll create it later | 13:28 |
| dirk | #topic package reviews | 13:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "package reviews (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:28 | |
| dirk | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/pymod2pkg+status:open | 13:28 |
| dirk | pymod2pkg should be easy, and 2nd review? toabctl perhaps? | 13:28 |
| dirk | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/rpm-packaging+status:open | 13:30 |
| toabctl | merged | 13:30 |
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| dirk | anything in particular that we want to talk about ? the neutron one? | 13:31 |
| dirk | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/424085/ | 13:31 |
| * dirk had no time to look at it yet | 13:31 | |
| * toabctl neither | 13:32 | |
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| dirk | jpena: are you good if we take that as an action item? | 13:35 |
| jpena | sure | 13:35 |
| dirk | I have no concrete request for changes or feedback atm | 13:35 |
| dirk | ok, any other review to discuss today? | 13:35 |
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| jpena | I haven't got anything else | 13:37 |
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| toabctl | me neither | 13:38 |
| dirk | I have one :) | 13:38 |
| dirk | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/431531/ | 13:38 |
| dirk | should be a good testcase for the sSUE ci | 13:39 |
| dirk | argh | 13:39 |
| dirk | SUSE CI | 13:39 |
| toabctl | approved | 13:39 |
| dirk | #topic open floor | 13:40 |
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| toabctl | nothing from my side | 13:41 |
| dirk | ok, I'll give you some time back then :) | 13:43 |
| dirk | cya next week! | 13:43 |
| dirk | #endmeeting | 13:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 13:43 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 9 13:43:15 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2017/rpm_packaging.2017-02-09-13.04.html | 13:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2017/rpm_packaging.2017-02-09-13.04.txt | 13:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2017/rpm_packaging.2017-02-09-13.04.log.html | 13:43 |
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| slashme | #startmeeting freezer | 14:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 9 14:03:33 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is slashme. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: freezer)" | 14:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'freezer' | 14:03 |
| slashme | Hello everyone :) | 14:03 |
| yangyapeng | hello slashme | 14:04 |
| raliev | hey everyone :) | 14:04 |
| slashme | As usual : Meeting notes and agenda are here => https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer_meetings | 14:04 |
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| szaher | Hello guys :) | 14:05 |
| slashme | #topic Pike PTL | 14:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Pike PTL (Meeting topic: freezer)" | 14:06 | |
| slashme | The result are in: Saad (szaher) will be our PTL for the next cycle | 14:06 |
| slashme | Congratulation :) | 14:06 |
| yangyapeng | Congratulation szaher | 14:06 |
| raliev | szaher, congratulation :) | 14:07 |
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| szaher | I am really glad to be the PTL for Pike release That will be a very good chance for all of us to do more for freezer, specially for me to lead such an amazing team. | 14:08 |
| szaher | Thank you guys | 14:08 |
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| szaher | Special thanks to our amazing PTL for newton and Ocata slashme, you did a very good job so Thank you! you started all this with daemontool and you kept doing an awesome job so Thanks again :) | 14:09 |
| slashme | Thx :) | 14:09 |
| szaher | Also I would like to thank yangyapeng for all his efforts and recently we got a very good member in freezer raliev Thanks a lot for all the efforts :) | 14:11 |
| slashme | +1 | 14:11 |
| slashme | #topic cindernative | 14:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "cindernative (Meeting topic: freezer)" | 14:12 | |
| slashme | yangyapeng: ? | 14:12 |
| yangyapeng | yes | 14:12 |
| slashme | Cinder volumes backup using os-brick from Freezer | 14:12 |
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| slashme | Ooops wrong copy-paste | 14:12 |
| slashme | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cindernative_mode | 14:12 |
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| yangyapeng | I have a confused about freezer backup-list and display cindernative backup (cinder-backip) | 14:13 |
| yangyapeng | backup | 14:13 |
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| yangyapeng | Allen_ :) | 14:13 |
| Allen_ | hello | 14:13 |
| yangyapeng | when we have a backup job to backup cinder-volume by cindernative, but we have not to store thin backup | 14:14 |
| yangyapeng | this backup | 14:14 |
| yangyapeng | if we should call cinder api to integration all backup | 14:15 |
| yangyapeng | ? | 14:15 |
| yangyapeng | If I make myself clear ？ | 14:15 |
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| slashme | It seemps to make sense | 14:18 |
| yangyapeng | now, we have more backup cinder volume by freezer cindernative in my work. | 14:20 |
| yangyapeng | and, we should add this mode cindernative in freezer-web-ui if it is ok . | 14:20 |
| yangyapeng | ping Allen_ | 14:20 |
| Allen_ | hi | 14:21 |
| slashme | yangyapeng: yes, it would be good to add it to the web-ui | 14:22 |
| yangyapeng | slashme: i have a qustion, about it. we implementation in freezer-api or freezerclient ? | 14:22 |
| yangyapeng | i will do it in freezer-api or freezerclient , and freezer-web-ui Allen_ should can do :) | 14:23 |
| Allen_ | ok | 14:23 |
| slashme | freezerclient | 14:23 |
| yangyapeng | slashme: ok. thanks. it is all. | 14:24 |
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| slashme | #topic cinder-os-brick | 14:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "cinder-os-brick (Meeting topic: freezer)" | 14:25 | |
| slashme | ping daemontool | 14:25 |
| yangyapeng | https://github.com/openstack/python-brick-cinderclient-ext | 14:25 |
| slashme | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer_cinder-os-brick | 14:25 |
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| slashme | daemontool suggests that we try using cinder os-brick to do backup of cinder volume | 14:26 |
| slashme | cinder os-brick is used to access data inside cinder volumes without a VM | 14:26 |
| yangyapeng | It sounds very good | 14:27 |
| slashme | Please have a look at the freezer-specs change : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/430304/ | 14:28 |
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| slashme | #topic free | 14:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "free (Meeting topic: freezer)" | 14:29 | |
| slashme | Anything else you want to discuss ? | 14:29 |
| raliev | probably, os-brick implementation will be assigned to me | 14:29 |
| raliev | as we discuss it with Fausto | 14:30 |
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| yangyapeng | raliev: thanks, i have no research os-brick, quickly qustion, if it is an influential different cinder backend | 14:32 |
| yangyapeng | lvm or ceph or glusterfs and so on? | 14:32 |
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| raliev | as I understand, there is no difference for os-brick regarding cinder backend | 14:34 |
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| yangyapeng | raliev: ok , it is good to instead of cinder mode , thank you | 14:34 |
| raliev | yangyapeng, np :) | 14:36 |
| slashme | Okay. Anything else ? | 14:39 |
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| slashme | Thanks for joining :) | 14:54 |
| slashme | #endmeeting | 14:54 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 9 14:54:26 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2017/freezer.2017-02-09-14.03.html | 14:54 |
| szaher | Thanks slashme | 14:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2017/freezer.2017-02-09-14.03.txt | 14:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2017/freezer.2017-02-09-14.03.log.html | 14:54 |
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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 9 15:01:12 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:01 |
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| gouthamr | hello o/ | 15:01 |
| cknight | Hi | 15:01 |
| ganso | Hi | 15:01 |
| vponomaryov | Hello | 15:01 |
| jprovazn | hi | 15:01 |
| bswartz | hello all | 15:01 |
| tbarron | hi | 15:01 |
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| xyang1 | hi | 15:01 |
| dustins | \o | 15:01 |
| tommylikehu_ | hi | 15:01 |
| markstur | hi | 15:01 |
| bswartz | #topic announcements | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:01 | |
| bswartz | All of you should know by now that we finally reached Ocata RC1 on Tuesday | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | so Ocata is officially "done" unless we discover a release-stopping bug | 15:02 |
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| vponomaryov | but how long we should not merge "big" changes? | 15:03 |
| bswartz | Hopefully many of you are downloading the RC1 bits and trying to break them in search of bugs | 15:03 |
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| bswartz | vponomaryov: as always it's best to avoid any siginficant changes until the Ocata release itself (Feb 23) | 15:04 |
| bswartz | but master is officially open for pike-related feature changes | 15:04 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: ok, thank you | 15:04 |
| toabctl | hi | 15:05 |
| bswartz | Some of us are now looking towards Pike though | 15:05 |
| bswartz | It's a great time to propose your specs for Pike-related features | 15:05 |
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| bswartz | if we have specs proposed going into the PTG it would help discussions around those features | 15:05 |
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| bswartz | at this point I'm assuming we'll keep our existing specs process as it seemed to work pretty well | 15:06 |
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| gouthamr | +1 | 15:06 |
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| bswartz | although for Pike we'll get a normal 6 month release instead of the painfully-compressed 4 month schedule for ocata | 15:06 |
| tommylikehu_ | that's great | 15:07 |
| bswartz | I guess the one think I want to revisit is the Priority specs deadline | 15:07 |
| bswartz | setting it all the way to milestone 2 is too long after the milestone 1 deadline for other specs | 15:07 |
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| bswartz | #action bswartz propose PTG topic about priority specs deadline | 15:07 |
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| bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:08 |
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| bswartz | so only 1 topic today! | 15:08 |
| ravichandrann | hello | 15:08 |
| bswartz | #topic PTG | 15:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTG (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:08 | |
| bswartz | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-pike-ptg-topics | 15:08 |
| markstur | too long a gap, yes. But a late deadline is good for things that come up during Pike that we'd decide to prioritize. Maybe exception process for that. | 15:08 |
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| bswartz | the etherpad has a ton of topics now | 15:09 |
| bswartz | thanks to those who are proposing them | 15:09 |
| bswartz | I'm going to start drafting a tentative schedule for them | 15:09 |
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| tommylikehu_ | bswartz: we have three days for these? | 15:09 |
| bswartz | tommylikehu_: 2 days only | 15:09 |
| bswartz | my plan is to schedule some topics for Wednesday and some for Thursday, and to put a rough priority order on them | 15:10 |
| bswartz | I can't promise when any given discussion will start or end, but I will cut off discussions that run too long to ensure that we get through the whole list | 15:10 |
| ganso | bswartz: is there going to be webex for remote participants? | 15:10 |
| bswartz | ganso: yes that's especially important this time around | 15:10 |
| bswartz | ganso: I assume you're still not travel approved? | 15:10 |
| ganso | bswartz: yea | 15:11 |
| bswartz | tommylikehu_: are you or anyone other Huawei representatives planning to attend the PTG in person? | 15:11 |
| tommylikehu_ | I will | 15:11 |
| bswartz | okay great | 15:11 |
| xyang1 | ganso: have you tried the travel support program? | 15:11 |
| ganso | xyang1: yes... ended up on waiting list... still on waiting list AFAIK | 15:11 |
| bswartz | xyang1: I know you'll probably be in the cinder sessions, but will anyone from dell/emc be attending manila sessions? | 15:12 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: probably not | 15:12 |
| bswartz | k | 15:12 |
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| bswartz | me and xyang are probably the most negatively affected by the new PTG schedule | 15:13 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: people are not sure what PTG is about and are still prefer to go to the summit | 15:13 |
| bswartz | yeah... | 15:13 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: have you heard anything about the location of the next PTG? will that be in the U.S. or not? | 15:13 |
| bswartz | oh well -- because ganso and markstur both can't join in person we will try hard to get conferencing setup for remote people | 15:14 |
| tbarron | won't be US | 15:14 |
| bswartz | xyang1: no word on the fall PTG -- not even a date | 15:14 |
| tbarron | according to openstack top leadership | 15:14 |
| ganso | bswartz: maybe there is not going to be another PTG? | 15:14 |
| tbarron | but they didn't specify where | 15:14 |
| bswartz | tbarron: I heard it would likely be US-based | 15:14 |
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| tommylikehu_ | one is in, one is outside america | 15:14 |
| bswartz | I think it would be wise to wait until after the first PTG before they plan the next one | 15:15 |
| xyang1 | tbarron: that means I am not sure whether I can attend in the future. too much international travel | 15:15 |
| tbarron | bswartz: they announed not, b/c of us entrance policy | 15:15 |
| bswartz | tbarron: oh that makes sense | 15:15 |
| tbarron | next 3 gatherings after boston not in us | 15:15 |
| tbarron | of course sidney was already set | 15:15 |
| markstur | but what if we're afraid to leave US? b/c of re-entrance policy? | 15:15 |
| bswartz | wow, sticking it to trump | 15:16 |
| xyang1 | tbarron: I think they have only announced the location of the summit, but not future PTG yet | 15:16 |
| cknight | markstur: :-) | 15:16 |
| tbarron | xyang1: right | 15:16 |
| xyang1 | markstur: that's definitely an issue. it applies both ways | 15:16 |
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| bswartz | okay back to the topic at hand | 15:16 |
| bswartz | we need to plan this PTG | 15:16 |
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| xyang1 | vponomaryov: bored?:) | 15:17 |
| bswartz | The main thing I need to know for my scheduling is if there are any topics that remote attendees NEED to be part of, and what time restrictions they will have | 15:17 |
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| ganso | bswartz: no time restrictions... If possible I'd like to participate on all of them | 15:17 |
| bswartz | so ganso, markstur, please contact me outside this meeting | 15:18 |
| markstur | ok | 15:18 |
| gouthamr | about remote attendees, i got NetApp to approve more storage space (hehe) on my webex account --- so, i hope to record stuff again | 15:18 |
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| bswartz | and this will be your last reminder to add topics to the etherpad | 15:18 |
| bswartz | I'm going to assign topics to days and put the high priority stuff earlier in the days | 15:18 |
| bswartz | anything else that comes up will go at the end of the list | 15:19 |
| bswartz | and given the number of topics we have already, it's possible we will actually use up all our time and have to punt some topics out | 15:19 |
| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:19 |
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| ganso | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/431315/ | 15:20 |
| bswartz | so we have plenty of time left if anyone has something else to cover today | 15:20 |
| ganso | so looks like there is another critical LVM driver bug ^ | 15:20 |
| tommylikehu_ | ganso: thanks | 15:20 |
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| tommylikehu_ | I am wondering whether we should take it as a bug | 15:20 |
| ganso | I would like to highlight that my feeling is that LVM has been the reference driver lately, in place of generic | 15:21 |
| bswartz | this is a good catch | 15:21 |
| ganso | and I think it is important that we have it working | 15:21 |
| bswartz | we don't have enough tests around combinations of snasphots, expand/shrink, revert, etc | 15:21 |
| tommylikehu_ | bswartz: how many driver support extend share with snapshot exist? | 15:21 |
| bswartz | so when multiple features are used together, sometimes bugs are found | 15:21 |
| bswartz | tommylikehu_: for many it's an easy thing to support | 15:22 |
| ganso | but since the introduction of revert and mountable, it looks like it got a little more than it could handle, and would need a refactor to take into account all the capabilities it has implemented | 15:22 |
| bswartz | I'm not sure how hard it will be to fix this for the LVM case | 15:22 |
| bswartz | ganso, tommylikehu_: have you investigated a possible fix here? | 15:22 |
| bswartz | should be be concerned that it might be impossible? | 15:23 |
| ganso | bswartz: a little bit, I suggested in the patch comments | 15:23 |
| bswartz | k | 15:23 |
| ganso | bswartz: looks like tommylikehu_ already fixed it, but he changed the extend driver interface to have a snapshot parameter | 15:23 |
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| ganso | bswartz: which I think it is not ideal | 15:24 |
| bswartz | tommylikehu_: does the huawei driver have a similar issue? | 15:24 |
| ganso | bswartz: because it is the only driver so far that would need this, and there are other means to obtain the snapshots so the parameter wouldn't be needed | 15:24 |
| bswartz | ganso: I agree it's best not to change the driver interface for the benefit of a single driver, if other workarounds can be found | 15:24 |
| tommylikehu_ | bswartz: yingzhezeng told me huawei driver does not support exrend share with snapshot exist | 15:24 |
| bswartz | tommylikehu_: even with the modified driver interface, you couldn't support this feature? | 15:24 |
| tommylikehu_ | bswartz: sounds like that | 15:25 |
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| bswartz | personally I feel we should definitely fix this, but I'm not sure about holding up the release of Ocata for it | 15:25 |
| tommylikehu_ | bswartz: I will confirm this tomorrow | 15:25 |
| bswartz | it doesn't feel like a release blocker bug | 15:25 |
| tommylikehu_ | bswartz: it's not | 15:26 |
| ganso | bswartz: if it is fixed in time before the Ocata release, can't it be backported and RC2 be requested? | 15:26 |
| bswartz | so we could fix it and backport the fix later -- after we're comfortable it doesn't cause any other refressions | 15:26 |
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| bswartz | ganso: yes that's a possibility, but as you know I prefer to avoid RC2 at nearly all costs | 15:26 |
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| bswartz | I'll take a look at the review after the meeting | 15:28 |
| bswartz | anything else for today? | 15:28 |
| ganso | yes | 15:28 |
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| ganso | I noticed that several CIs seem to be very flaky lately | 15:29 |
| ganso | several are not passing, some are not even running, some fail right away | 15:29 |
| vponomaryov | just several? ) | 15:29 |
| * bswartz nominates ganso for CI police | 15:29 | |
| ganso | besides, even our first party CIs are not very stable | 15:29 |
| * ganso puts on the CI police hat | 15:30 | |
| bswartz | ganso: I hope to address that problem with our driver support matrix | 15:30 |
| bswartz | we will use public shaming as a motivator to get CIs fixed | 15:30 |
| bswartz | however we should recognize that it's an inherently difficult problem, and we should set reasonable standards for how reliable CI should be | 15:31 |
| bswartz | cinder struggles with this same issue, just at a larger scale | 15:31 |
| ganso | bswartz: I haven't read through the whole PTG topic list | 15:32 |
| bswartz | cinder has tried to set some official guidelines for how long a CI can be broken before the community flags it as a problem | 15:32 |
| ganso | bswartz: so maybe we should have some official rules, success ratio, etc in order to flag drivers as deprecated or unsupported | 15:32 |
| bswartz | I think they started with 2 weeks as a grace period | 15:32 |
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| bswartz | yeah | 15:32 |
| tommylikehu_ | bswartz: oh no.. | 15:33 |
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| xyang1 | bswartz: we should publish that standard somewhere, on wiki, etc. | 15:33 |
| bswartz | I'm less interested in ratios of success/failure and more interested in measures that ensure that a person is actively engaged (because that's the whole point of CI) | 15:33 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: and which is criterion for shaming? per-driver? per-company? | 15:34 |
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| ganso | we talked about that at BCN, but I guess we did not have any members in CI police squad xD | 15:34 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: per driver | 15:34 |
| bswartz | ganso: ocata was so short and we tried to do so much | 15:34 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: driver + driver mode? | 15:34 |
| tbarron | vponomaryov: should be per-driver as not all have a "company" and even if they do there are different responsible parties | 15:34 |
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| bswartz | ganso: this is important to me, but I decided to focus on feature content during ocata and had no time for other things | 15:35 |
| tbarron | vponomaryov: i agree that stats per-mode are useful for a deployer to see | 15:35 |
| vponomaryov | tbarron: it is very likely that one mode fails and other not | 15:36 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: not driver mode -- it's impossible that there would be different maintainers for 2 modes of the same driver, and what we're trying to measure is whether the people responsible are still engaged | 15:36 |
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| bswartz | vponomaryov: in that case maybe even failure is the wrong metric | 15:36 |
| tbarron | vponomaryov: you may have left out 'not' but I agree with the statement as is | 15:36 |
| markstur | but it would be interesting to see if one mode has CI and one mode is left uncovered | 15:36 |
| gouthamr | i guess, for ease of stats this should be "per CI account" | 15:36 |
| tbarron | well, that it is quite possible | 15:36 |
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| tbarron | vponomaryov: or that e.g. dhss=true is claimed but not tested | 15:37 |
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| bswartz | the main thing we want to discover is drivers where the vendor has walked away and stopped maintaing it | 15:37 |
| vponomaryov | yeah, so, in other words, our shaming approach will not be trivial )) | 15:37 |
| ganso | tbarron: any capability in the matrix would need to be tested in CI | 15:37 |
| tbarron | vponomaryov: I actually don't like the word 'shaming' | 15:38 |
| gouthamr | ^ is hoping the matrix we can "automate" the matrix in pike | 15:38 |
| tbarron | vponomaryov: just data, let it speak for itself | 15:38 |
| bswartz | tbarron: that was my word | 15:38 |
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| vponomaryov | tbarron: it is not "my" word )) | 15:38 |
| tbarron | bswartz: vponomaryov yeah, understood | 15:38 |
| tbarron | s/vponmaryov/bswartz/ | 15:39 |
| bswartz | tbarron: yes we won't actively ridicule anyone, but we will hope that presenting the data has that effect | 15:39 |
| tbarron | give deployers the info to make decisions | 15:39 |
| tbarron | bswartz: understood | 15:39 |
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| bswartz | as long as vendor pays someone to pay attention to driver bugs and CI issues, that's a huge improvement over vendors that throw a driver over the wall and go on to work on something else | 15:40 |
| bswartz | that's the behavior we want to encourage | 15:40 |
| markstur | +1 | 15:41 |
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| bswartz | okay anything else? | 15:41 |
| markstur | tbarron: s/shaming/highlighting/ OK? | 15:42 |
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| tbarron | markstur: i feel hightlighted sometimes | 15:42 |
| markstur | this meeting is the "highlight" of my day ;) | 15:42 |
| vponomaryov | ^_^ | 15:42 |
| bswartz | okay sounds like we're finished | 15:42 |
| bswartz | thanks everyone | 15:42 |
| bswartz | we'll hold the meeting next week as usual | 15:43 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 15:43 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 9 15:43:11 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2017/manila.2017-02-09-15.01.html | 15:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2017/manila.2017-02-09-15.01.txt | 15:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2017/manila.2017-02-09-15.01.log.html | 15:43 |
| ianychoi | Oh early finish :) | 15:43 |
| ianychoi | Every manila team is fine with I18n? | 15:43 |
| tbarron | ianychoi: ask on #openstack-manila | 15:44 |
| bswartz | ianychoi: since the meeting is over please join us in #openstack-manila if you have any questions | 15:44 |
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| hyakuhei | #startmeeting Security | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 9 17:00:15 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hyakuhei. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Security)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 17:00 |
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| unrahul | o/ | 17:00 |
| vinaypotluri | o/ | 17:00 |
| sigmavirus | o/ | 17:00 |
| dave-mccowan | o/ | 17:00 |
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| knangia | 0/ | 17:00 |
| aasthad | o/ | 17:01 |
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| capnoday | o/ | 17:01 |
| hyakuhei | Hey guys :D | 17:01 |
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| hyakuhei | I've been back to back all day, I'll just update the agenda now | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | oh wait | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | Someone else did it. | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | OMG. | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | The agenda fairy | 17:02 |
| unrahul | :D | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | I'm assuming that's sigmavirus ? | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-agenda | 17:02 |
| sigmavirus | Yes that was | 17:03 |
| capnoday | ty | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | ty sir! | 17:03 |
| vinaypotluri | great | 17:03 |
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| hyakuhei | ok, so lhinds passed his apologies for not being able to make it today | 17:03 |
| sigmavirus | Just one item | 17:03 |
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| hyakuhei | Added a couple but lets start with OSSN | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | #topic OSSN | 17:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OSSN (Meeting topic: Security)" | 17:04 | |
| hyakuhei | A couple of embargoed OSSN will go out this week, I think they've already gone to the pre-notify people | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | There's a public OSSN that needs an owner: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn/+bug/1606495 | 17:05 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1606495 in OpenStack Security Notes "copy_from in api v1 allows network port scan" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Travis McPeak (travis-mcpeak) | 17:05 |
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| hyakuhei | tmcpeak say's he is fine with it | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | Ok, no one wants it. That's ok I'll un-assign it for now | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | sigmavirus did you add the other one? | 17:07 |
| sigmavirus | I did | 17:08 |
| sigmavirus | It was more of a "Should we have an OSSN about this given that it's in the public now?" | 17:08 |
| hyakuhei | Oh I see | 17:08 |
| sigmavirus | I tend towards not, because it's a problem that's disregarded across openstack (drivers disabling TLS verification) | 17:08 |
| sicarie | sigmavirus: if not, is that in the driver documentation (or service documentation)? | 17:09 |
| hyakuhei | Interesting. If that is the case then we should probably still have an OSSN but regarding TLS being disabled in many services. | 17:09 |
| sicarie | +1 | 17:09 |
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| sigmavirus | sicarie: it's not. And I only have that opinion because I tried to fight this battle in glance's glance-store project before | 17:10 |
| sicarie | then I'm of the opinion we should have an OSSN | 17:10 |
| hyakuhei | I'm inclined to agree | 17:11 |
| hyakuhei | sigmavirus thoughts? | 17:12 |
| sigmavirus | I'm always in favor of telling people their software is doing silly things | 17:12 |
| sigmavirus | I think it would be valuable if we gave driver authors some common patterns to use though for dealing with this | 17:13 |
| sigmavirus | i.e., drivers should be able to handle client certificates, certificate authority pem paths, and toggling verification | 17:13 |
| sigmavirus | That's an ideal though, and I don't know how many of those drivers use requests, but those are all things they'd just need to pass into requests | 17:13 |
| sigmavirus | For socket level stuff, I can also provide some documentation around doing it correctly there too | 17:14 |
| sigmavirus | But that's a separate concern | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | It gets messy when there's so many different implementations | 17:14 |
| sicarie | So IMO that should be sec-guide material, specific drivers disabling TLS in a service should be an OSSN | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | +1 | 17:14 |
| sigmavirus | agreed | 17:14 |
| sigmavirus | I meant that should all be in addition to the OSSN | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | Though it would be nice if the OSSN could point to the relevant info in the sec guide. | 17:14 |
| sigmavirus | Because too many driver authors don't know any of this | 17:14 |
| sicarie | +1 hyakuhei I'll see what I can do | 17:15 |
| michaelxin | sigmavirus: Are you still working on Glance Project? | 17:16 |
| sigmavirus | michaelxin: for certain quantities of "work" | 17:16 |
| sigmavirus | Just like I still work on this project | 17:17 |
| sigmavirus | And the 4 others I'm assigned to work on | 17:17 |
| hyakuhei | sheesh | 17:17 |
| hyakuhei | ok, so we're agreed | 17:18 |
| hyakuhei | Next up, security docs | 17:18 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Security Guide | 17:18 |
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| hyakuhei | We had a productive conversation last week | 17:18 |
| hyakuhei | My key concern is still that we need other teams to be more involved. | 17:19 |
| hyakuhei | I was considering sending out a plea to the mailing list, which I might still do, however, I wondered if we should try to coordinate this with something at the PTG too | 17:19 |
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| hyakuhei | Hmm, no thoughts on that, ok, well I'll wait for the PTG then. | 17:21 |
| unrahul | We the OSIC ppl would be contributing to the sec guide from now on as we discussed last week, we have initiated talks with the docs PTL and she has given us some pointers on things were we can contribute , around 26 bugs for now .. | 17:21 |
| unrahul | michaelxin: ^ | 17:21 |
| hyakuhei | Oh excellent | 17:21 |
| hyakuhei | I'd still like project teams to be more involved | 17:21 |
| unrahul | hyakuhei: agreed .. | 17:21 |
| michaelxin | we finished our priority planning for next cycle. I put helping security guide into it. OSCI is ok with it. | 17:21 |
| hyakuhei | Excellent! | 17:21 |
| knangia | michaelxin: +1 | 17:22 |
| ankur-gu_ | +1 | 17:22 |
| hyakuhei | ok cool, lets move swiftly on :) | 17:22 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Barbican SimpleCryptoThingy | 17:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Barbican SimpleCryptoThingy (Meeting topic: Security)" | 17:22 | |
| hyakuhei | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/431228/2/specs/pike/enhance-simple-crypto.rst | 17:22 |
| hyakuhei | Crypto monkies, Attack! | 17:22 |
| hyakuhei | That is to say, please give this a thoughtful review. | 17:23 |
| hyakuhei | I've put a cautious -1 on there at the moment | 17:23 |
| hyakuhei | @dave-mccowan fyi ^^^ | 17:23 |
| dave-mccowan | hyakuhei thanks! please, all, provide input early in Pike, so we have time to implement. :-) | 17:23 |
| hyakuhei | Cool, you all heard the man, have at it! | 17:24 |
| hyakuhei | We're doing well time wise, lets move to AOB | 17:24 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Any Other Business | 17:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Any Other Business (Meeting topic: Security)" | 17:24 | |
| hyakuhei | I won't be available for a meeting next week because of the way my travel has fallen regarding the PTG | 17:25 |
| hyakuhei | Are others happy to take it or should we postpone? | 17:25 |
| hyakuhei | oh and a reminder to keep this up to date | 17:25 |
| hyakuhei | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ptg-security-team | 17:25 |
| hyakuhei | sicarie did you get auth to go ? | 17:26 |
| sicarie | I got time, but not funding | 17:26 |
| sicarie | so I will not be attending | 17:26 |
| capnoday | :( | 17:26 |
| sicarie | +1 | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | booo, sorry to hear that sicarie | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | ok, anything else to discuss? | 17:27 |
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| unrahul | hyakuhei: We are working on glance testing from this week had a very productive meeting with the glance PTL.. nothing as of yet on bugs, will keep you all posted. | 17:28 |
| unrahul | Also we have one more person who joined our team | 17:28 |
| unrahul | aasthad: | 17:28 |
| hyakuhei | welcome aasthad! | 17:29 |
| aasthad | Hello everyone .. I am happy to be a part of osic security team.. | 17:29 |
| sigmavirus | hyakuhei: calling back to your question, if people want to have the meeting, I'm happy to chair it | 17:29 |
| hyakuhei | Thanks sigmavirus might as well see what happen then :) | 17:29 |
| hyakuhei | ok that's time people! Thanks everyone, thanks sigmavirus for your help! | 17:29 |
| hyakuhei | #endmeeting | 17:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:29 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 9 17:29:51 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:29 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2017/security.2017-02-09-17.00.html | 17:29 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2017/security.2017-02-09-17.00.txt | 17:29 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2017/security.2017-02-09-17.00.log.html | 17:29 |
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| SpamapS | #startmeeting arch_wg | 20:06 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 9 20:06:22 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SpamapS. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:06 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: arch_wg)" | 20:06 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'arch_wg' | 20:06 |
| cdent | o/ | 20:06 |
| SpamapS | Courtesy ping for nikhil, harlowja, dstanek, kragniz, auggy, rockyg, rocky_g, kgiusti, thingee, denaitre | 20:06 |
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| rocky_g | o/ | 20:06 |
| SpamapS | ttx: since it's today, and not yesterday, will you be joining? | 20:06 |
| SpamapS | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Arch-WG#Agenda | 20:07 |
| SpamapS | #topic previous meeting action items | 20:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "previous meeting action items (Meeting topic: arch_wg)" | 20:07 | |
| SpamapS | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/arch_wg/2016/ | 20:07 |
| SpamapS | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/arch_wg/2017/ | 20:07 |
| * SpamapS fixes wiki page | 20:07 | |
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| SpamapS | looks to me like the meeting last week did not carry actions forward | 20:08 |
| SpamapS | (last time rather) | 20:08 |
| SpamapS | * Rockyg to write up implementation bleed-through thoughts and submit to arch-wg repo (carried from December 2016) | 20:09 |
| SpamapS | rocky_g: ^ | 20:09 |
| SpamapS | rocky_g: shall we drop that action? or would you like to carry it forward and try to get to it during the PTG? | 20:10 |
| rocky_g | oops. Missed that. Dang. | 20:10 |
| rocky_g | Soon | 20:10 |
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| rocky_g | Let's do it at PTG. We can get Monty ;-) | 20:10 |
| SpamapS | rocky_g: can you maybe seed the discussion with an ML thread so we have people prepared with background information at the PTG? | 20:11 |
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| cdent | It would be nice, if possible, to lay some groundwork before ptg, but if everyone else is like me, there's not much in the way of spare time | 20:11 |
| cdent | jinx-ish | 20:11 |
| SpamapS | Hah yeah | 20:12 |
| rocky_g | Yeah. I can do that | 20:12 |
| SpamapS | same | 20:12 |
| rocky_g | now that it's back on my radar | 20:12 |
| cdent | yay! | 20:12 |
| SpamapS | Been trying to find an hour to move nova-compute-api to active with more of a plan of action for a month now :-P | 20:12 |
| SpamapS | this month has been travel heavy | 20:12 |
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| SpamapS | #action rocky_g Send email regarding implementation bleed-through (stretch: submit as raw proposal) | 20:12 |
| rocky_g | And will continue to be. | 20:12 |
| SpamapS | * ttx to move base-services to active and complete the details | 20:13 |
| SpamapS | I believe that is _done_ | 20:13 |
| * cdent nods | 20:13 | |
| SpamapS | and ttx has even jumped further forward and has submitted a spec for the TC | 20:13 |
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| rocky_g | kewl | 20:14 |
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| SpamapS | it would be amazing if I had that link handy ;) | 20:14 |
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| SpamapS | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/430965/ | 20:14 |
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| SpamapS | we can talk more when we get to active proposal check-ins | 20:15 |
| SpamapS | * SpamapS to move nova-compute-api to active status and add structure | 20:15 |
| SpamapS | fail | 20:15 |
| SpamapS | #action SpamapS to move nova-compute-api to active status and add structure (Carried from Jan 2017) | 20:15 |
| SpamapS | I will be dedicating an entire day next week to prep for arch-wg PTG sessions, and we'll talk more about that later too | 20:16 |
| SpamapS | that's all the actions | 20:16 |
| rocky_g | Cool. | 20:16 |
| SpamapS | #topic Proposal Process Review | 20:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Proposal Process Review (Meeting topic: arch_wg)" | 20:16 | |
| SpamapS | I feel like the process is going ok. | 20:16 |
| SpamapS | I'd like to see another proposal enter the queue. | 20:16 |
| SpamapS | as right now we're a bit too efficient at keeping our inbox at 0 ;) | 20:17 |
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| * cdent chants dlm | 20:17 | |
| * cdent and pings harlowja | 20:18 | |
| harlowja | lol | 20:18 |
| * rocky_g hums along | 20:18 | |
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| harlowja | sorry, got a presentation later (at a openstack meetup) will be sorta in here, ha | 20:18 |
| SpamapS | dlm is a bit contentions | 20:18 |
| SpamapS | contentious | 20:18 |
| harlowja | meh | 20:18 |
| SpamapS | thingee specifically raised concerns that we'd be stepping on the cross-project team's toes by wading in before Cinder has done their work. | 20:19 |
| harlowja | memberberries | 20:19 |
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| harlowja | i need more memberberries | 20:19 |
| harlowja | lol | 20:19 |
| SpamapS | But it's worth noting that we don't have a good way of just rallying people to an existing effort. | 20:19 |
| * cdent nods | 20:19 | |
| rocky_g | We can ping Cinder at PTG to see where they are.. | 20:19 |
| SpamapS | Maybe that's the proposal to submit harlowja ? "Go help existing effort -->" | 20:19 |
| cdent | I'm not familiar with what cinder is up to? | 20:19 |
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| harlowja | SpamapS perhaps | 20:20 |
| rocky_g | Yeah. Me either | 20:20 |
| SpamapS | cdent: there's already an openstack spec spelling out DLM options and Cinder was working toward being the first user. | 20:20 |
| harlowja | ironic and ceilometer might be father along | 20:20 |
| rocky_g | we can ping gordc about ceilometer | 20:20 |
| SpamapS | so, how about this | 20:21 |
| SpamapS | let's get this in our pipeline as a "we are interested and want to help socialize this effort" thing | 20:21 |
| cdent | SpamapS: I had the vaguely unclear sense that "openstack specs" were dead and replaced by openstack goals? | 20:21 |
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| rocky_g | cdent, no. They both are alilve | 20:21 |
| SpamapS | cdent: oh, I thought the goals were a stronger thing, where as specs were just cross-project agreements. | 20:21 |
| rocky_g | spec is used for tracking crossproject efforts | 20:22 |
| cdent | I know they are _supposed_ to be alive, but the cross project repo has seen no activity for weeks if not months | 20:22 |
| rocky_g | Goals are more general. | 20:22 |
| SpamapS | like, a goal is something we need to get done together and track progress of, but a spec is "If you do this, do it this way" | 20:22 |
| SpamapS | cdent: mysql cluster was submitted as an openstack spec | 20:23 |
| SpamapS | 2 days ago | 20:23 |
| cdent | well, that's the first noise in there for a very long time | 20:23 |
| SpamapS | And that's a good example of one. | 20:23 |
| rocky_g | and ProdWG works toward getting the userstories to specs | 20:23 |
| SpamapS | So | 20:23 |
| SpamapS | backing up.. they're alive, but maybe have lost focus | 20:23 |
| cdent | I'm glad to see it is still alive, just worried it was not. Proof of life is good. | 20:24 |
| rocky_g | ++ | 20:24 |
| SpamapS | what say instead of adopting things in there into our process, we just add a permanent agenda item to check in on specs we care about? | 20:24 |
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| rocky_g | I think Ocata removed focus from there. It should come back with Pike | 20:24 |
| cdent | ✔ | 20:24 |
| SpamapS | If we see one falling by the wayside, we can adopt it into our process. | 20:24 |
| SpamapS | #info openstack-specs needs love, adding an agenda item to check in on specs we care about or think need re-socializing. | 20:25 |
| SpamapS | rocky_g: that's a good point. No time to work on anything except bug fix and ship. | 20:25 |
| SpamapS | heh, we should do a 9 month cycle some time. | 20:25 |
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| rocky_g | man, wouldn't that be nice. But, I don't think most devs have that long an attention span. | 20:26 |
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| SpamapS | ok, let's try it now | 20:27 |
| SpamapS | #topic OpenStack Specs check-in | 20:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Specs check-in (Meeting topic: arch_wg)" | 20:28 | |
| SpamapS | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/openstack-specs | 20:28 |
| SpamapS | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/openstack-specs/ | 20:28 |
| SpamapS | So what I want to do here is to just check in and see if there are specs which we should look at raising awareness of | 20:28 |
| SpamapS | Not going to go through them all | 20:28 |
| SpamapS | but more of a "speak now or forever hold your pieces" | 20:28 |
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| SpamapS | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/openstack-specs/specs/chronicles-of-a-dlm.html | 20:29 |
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| SpamapS | harlowja: still here? is there anything we should do to try and kick-start this one? | 20:29 |
| rocky_g | So, headsup. Looks like Error Codes and log improvements getting hot again. NTT, OSIC will likely spearhead the effort. I'm going to do history and handoff at midcycle | 20:29 |
| SpamapS | rocky_g: cool | 20:30 |
| rocky_g | So, if we could get the spec in shape at PTG, we can hand them a jumpstart. | 20:30 |
| SpamapS | rocky_g: is it still in review? | 20:30 |
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| rocky_g | I think it might be abandoned at the moment. I can resurrect it. I'd like to do a pass on cleanup, but, we could bring it back as is and then post a new version | 20:32 |
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| SpamapS | rocky_g: the most important thing is that we socialize it as an opportunity for improvement looking for resources. | 20:33 |
| SpamapS | The whole idea of this group is to raise awareness and gather like-minded efforts to get them done. | 20:34 |
| SpamapS | so it's good that NTT and OSIC want to work on it. It's even better if somebody else coming to the PTG finds out about it before PTG, and joins in. | 20:34 |
| * cdent puts a daisy in someone's gun | 20:34 | |
| rocky_g | Yup. And NTT and OSIC have bodies to implement. Also, LCOO wants to put bodies against it. We can clean up the log messages if we can get the spec to an implementable (read dev approved) state | 20:34 |
| SpamapS | cdent: no we're doing carnations, we're not the PFJ! ;) | 20:34 |
| * cdent laughs | 20:35 | |
| rocky_g | I let the NTT and OSIC (and ATT) know about PTG and midcycle. | 20:35 |
| SpamapS | rocky_g: can I give you the action to resurrect it and send to openstack-dev? | 20:35 |
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| harlowja_ | SpamapS sorry, had another meeting | 20:36 |
| SpamapS | #action rocky_g Resurrect Error Codes and Logging Improvements spec and socialize appropriately before PTG | 20:36 |
| SpamapS | harlowja_: np | 20:36 |
| rocky_g | Uh, I gotta get my gerrit working again. | 20:36 |
| rocky_g | I can do that. Yeah. Sure. OK. | 20:36 |
| SpamapS | rocky_g: ok. I'm not letting you take any more though. ;) | 20:36 |
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| SpamapS | harlowja_: so, the DLM spec. Do you think there's anything we can do to help? Should we jump in and do an analysis of progress so far? | 20:37 |
| rocky_g | Yeah. If I can't resurrect, I'll get help. My gerrit setup got messed up and Infra was stumped. | 20:37 |
| SpamapS | harlowja_: going once? | 20:38 |
| harlowja_ | SpamapS sureeee | 20:38 |
| harlowja_ | lol | 20:38 |
| SpamapS | doesn't sound like you're that convinced. :) | 20:39 |
| SpamapS | and I have enough on my arch-wg plate already | 20:40 |
| SpamapS | #topic Proposals for work | 20:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Proposals for work (Meeting topic: arch_wg)" | 20:40 | |
| SpamapS | I haven't transitioned nova-compute-api yet.. already carried the action | 20:41 |
| SpamapS | also there's nothing in the review queue | 20:41 |
| SpamapS | so.. moving on | 20:41 |
| SpamapS | #topic Active workstreams | 20:41 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Active workstreams (Meeting topic: arch_wg)" | 20:41 | |
| SpamapS | * Base Services - ttx | 20:41 |
| SpamapS | We discussed earlier. This is moving forward. It's our only active workstream right now. | 20:41 |
| SpamapS | #topic PTG | 20:42 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTG (Meeting topic: arch_wg)" | 20:42 | |
| SpamapS | So! PTG is coming up | 20:42 |
| SpamapS | We'll have a fair amount of time allocated to us | 20:42 |
| SpamapS | and people are very interested. | 20:42 |
| cdent | #link etherpad for ptg: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ptg-architecture-workgroup | 20:42 |
| SpamapS | What I'd like to do there is basically ask the community to rally around our two active workstreams. | 20:42 |
| cdent | (for reference) | 20:42 |
| SpamapS | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ptg-architecture-workgroup | 20:43 |
| SpamapS | nice | 20:43 |
| cdent | earlier today in api-wg we expressed some concern about how to make sure that the right people were around for the right topics when they will likely want to move from room to room, topic to topic | 20:44 |
| cdent | I know that the ethercalc is supposed to help with that but if so, it probably needs to be pre-loaded a bit, at least for monday. | 20:44 |
| SpamapS | cdent: absolutely | 20:45 |
| SpamapS | I'd like to have a firm structure well in advance. | 20:45 |
| clarkb | yes ttx sent mail about it | 20:45 |
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| SpamapS | I thought actually Monday we don't have space | 20:45 |
| clarkb | at least for the shared rooms with projectors | 20:45 |
| SpamapS | Monday the SWG gets the room we'll have all day Tuesday | 20:45 |
| clarkb | https://ethercalc.openstack.org/Pike-PTG-Discussion-Rooms | 20:45 |
| * cdent wonders what kind of notification settings clarkb has | 20:46 | |
| cdent | you pop up | 20:46 |
| clarkb | cdent: lurk all the channels settings | 20:46 |
| SpamapS | What I really want to do is use the time to get facts about things we already know we want to talk about, and to get new proposals into the pipeline. | 20:46 |
| clarkb | (I actually try to specifically lurk this meeting) | 20:46 |
| SpamapS | cdent: does that fit in with what API-WG wants to use the time for too? | 20:47 |
| cdent | mostly the former | 20:47 |
| cdent | but it's expected that people will have different views on the facts | 20:48 |
| cdent | thus the desire for doing in person | 20:48 |
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| SpamapS | so our structure should probably look something like intro, review active workstreams and ask for proposals, nova-compute-api fact finding, [API-WG topic], [ other topic ], [head-down paired up quiet working time], [ wrap up ] | 20:49 |
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| cdent | are these rooms in addition to whatever room is available on monday and tuesday or the actual and only rooms available monday and tuesday? | 20:50 |
| SpamapS | cdent: exactly, for fact finding, what I'd like to see is a sort of hearing->subject format.. so have somebody stand up, say they're here to disseminate [X] and then the group can pepper them with questions and rebuttals. | 20:50 |
| SpamapS | cdent: Arch-WG only has space dedicated to it for Tuesday. | 20:50 |
| SpamapS | Which is really fun for me because I also need to do infra stuff :-P | 20:51 |
| cdent | but that space is elsewhere from these ethercalc rooms? | 20:51 |
| SpamapS | cdent: the ethercalc is for rooms w/ projectors and is more limited, IIRC | 20:51 |
| rocky_g | ttx is the source of all truth on this | 20:51 |
| clarkb | SpamapS: yes its just the rooms with projectors | 20:52 |
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| clarkb | SpamapS: basically those rooms are a shared resource for all the people meeting in addition to the space assigned | 20:52 |
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| SpamapS | right, so can I just block out arch-wg for all day tuesday in Macon ? ;) | 20:53 |
| cdent | So that gets back to my original point then: On Tuesday, in the room that is assigned to arch-wg it may be useful to be able to prepare a skeleton of a schedule for potential attendees | 20:53 |
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| SpamapS | I'm so confused | 20:53 |
| SpamapS | #action SpamapS talk to PTG organizers and confirm what space is dedicated, what is shared, and create a general schedule based on that. | 20:54 |
| cdent | if you're confused than so am I, as I was building off what you were saying :) | 20:54 |
| cdent | ✔ | 20:54 |
| cdent | good plan | 20:54 |
| SpamapS | cdent: yes, I'm confused because I'm doubting what I believed | 20:54 |
| SpamapS | so I'll just get the info | 20:54 |
| SpamapS | and I'll send out a plan | 20:54 |
| cdent | \o/ | 20:55 |
| SpamapS | One thing is for sure though, if you want to talk about something at the PTG, please start talking about it _now_ on openstack-dev with the [architecture] tag, so people can come with real facts. | 20:55 |
| cdent | ++ | 20:56 |
| SpamapS | We need to spend time explaining complicated things to eachother, not reading specs/code/wiki pages. | 20:56 |
| SpamapS | #topic Open Discussion | 20:56 |
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| SpamapS | anything else? | 20:56 |
| cdent | Before we run out of time here I want to draw attention of the fine brains in this group to api-wg review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/421846/ | 20:56 |
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| SpamapS | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/421846/ | 20:57 |
| cdent | that's the rewrite of the guidelines for what should cause a "version" in an api | 20:57 |
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| cdent | it has architectural impacts because it is essentially declaring that you _must_ version | 20:57 |
| cdent | (the API) | 20:57 |
| rocky_g | just a quickie. I also have solid responsibilities to be in the Interop meetings. All the horizontal stuff in two days is bad. | 20:57 |
| SpamapS | Oh very +1 :) | 20:57 |
| cdent | the version that I've just put up is a distllation of a lot of conversations that I'm not particularly happy with but seems to capture the consensus | 20:58 |
| SpamapS | rocky_g: yeah, I think there tend to be deep people, and wide people. Very few both. So us wide people will be screwed M-Tu, then bored Wed-Fri | 20:58 |
| cdent | rocky_g: yeah, lots of people been saying so | 20:59 |
| cdent | feh, I'm going to be soaked through the entire week | 20:59 |
| cdent | buried every single day :) | 20:59 |
| SpamapS | BUT | 20:59 |
| SpamapS | one good thing, we get full access to project team people for two days | 21:00 |
| SpamapS | cdent: thanks for sharing, I'll give it a close look | 21:00 |
| SpamapS | we're out of time! :) Thanks everyone, see you in Atlanta! | 21:00 |
| cdent | SpamapS: awesome. thank _you_. | 21:00 |
| rocky_g | Yeah. But us wide people can huddle on w-f | 21:00 |
| SpamapS | Oh also we'll cancel the next IRC meeting since it's during PTG | 21:00 |
| cdent | bring me coffees | 21:00 |
| SpamapS | #info we'll cancel the next IRC meeting since it's during PTG | 21:00 |
| SpamapS | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 9 21:00:54 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/arch_wg/2017/arch_wg.2017-02-09-20.06.html | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/arch_wg/2017/arch_wg.2017-02-09-20.06.txt | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/arch_wg/2017/arch_wg.2017-02-09-20.06.log.html | 21:00 |
| * cdent waves | 21:01 | |
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| clarkb | SpamapS: I dunno I tend to end up busy at $midcycle. I think we'll find it to be a busy week the whole week | 21:01 |
| asettle | Okay, docs time | 21:01 |
| asettle | #startmeeting docteam | 21:01 |
| asettle | loquacities: what isssss it not doing? | 21:02 |
| asettle | #startmeeting docteam | 21:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 9 21:02:12 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is asettle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 21:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' | 21:02 |
| asettle | There we go | 21:02 |
| iphutch | woohoo | 21:02 |
| asettle | #topic Roll call! | 21:02 |
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| asettle | o/ | 21:02 |
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| skelso | o/ | 21:02 |
| iphutch | o// | 21:02 |
| darrenc | hiya | 21:02 |
| jrobinson | Ah it worked. I was about to say, the User Guide tag did that to me once. | 21:02 |
| jrobinson | And Hi o/ | 21:02 |
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| asettle | Hahaha jrobinson thanks man. So weird, never happened to me before. | 21:03 |
| asettle | Oh well :p | 21:03 |
| asettle | Hey everyone :) | 21:03 |
| asettle | We'll give it a minute or two more to see what's up | 21:03 |
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| annegentle | o/ | 21:03 |
| loquacities | o/ | 21:03 |
| ankur-gu_ | \o/ | 21:03 |
| asettle | Hey guys! | 21:03 |
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| loquacities | you had a space before the # ;) | 21:04 |
| asettle | Good turn out today :) | 21:04 |
| asettle | loquacities: ahhhhhhhh thank you | 21:04 |
| asettle | Dat awkward mo when you think you cray | 21:04 |
| loquacities | lol | 21:04 |
| asettle | Okay, shall we move on? Looks we like got a good team in today :) | 21:04 |
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| asettle | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 21:05 |
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| asettle | So far from what I can see, the only action was me: * ACTION: Alex to email specialty team leads about bug triaging | 21:05 |
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| asettle | So, I messaged all cores, specialty team leads about bug triaging positions. Admittedly to little response. | 21:06 |
| asettle | I'd probably like to bring that up again | 21:06 |
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| asettle | So, for those that weren't here last week - basically we don't have a great way of triaging new bugs in place. | 21:06 |
| asettle | My idea? Have a bug triager that rotates on a fortnightly (bi-weekly) basis. | 21:06 |
| loquacities | are you just looking for people to start doing that? | 21:07 |
| loquacities | or are you going to wait until after ocata goes out? | 21:07 |
| asettle | loquacities: mostly was looking for Ocata to go out, and see if there was any major disagreements on the matter first up. | 21:07 |
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| asettle | Since there was no major disagreements - unless there is now? | 21:07 |
| loquacities | ok | 21:07 |
| asettle | I'll send out an email asking for volunteers. | 21:08 |
| loquacities | i think there's broad approval | 21:08 |
| iphutch | yep - it was a good idea | 21:08 |
| asettle | Cool. Who would be able (here) to step up in Pike for this? | 21:08 |
| loquacities | sign me up | 21:08 |
| iphutch | o/ | 21:08 |
| jrobinson | Yes on the mailing list, there is some more discussion about how this pattern works on the Neutron team before. | 21:08 |
| asettle | Swell! Yeha, it's defs worked in the neutron team. | 21:08 |
| jrobinson | I'm also ready to triage. | 21:08 |
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| darrenc | o/ | 21:08 |
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| asettle | Cool guys! | 21:08 |
| asettle | Well, let's start. | 21:08 |
| asettle | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/SpecialityTeams | 21:08 |
| asettle | If you wanna put your name down in the table | 21:08 |
| asettle | I'll organise the dates. | 21:08 |
| asettle | The issues column is simply for post-triage concerns. | 21:09 |
| asettle | Thanks everyone for volunteering :) | 21:09 |
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| asettle | Shall we move on to the specialty team reports? | 21:10 |
| loquacities | yep | 21:10 |
| asettle | #topic Specialty team reports | 21:10 |
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| asettle | annegentle: you're first up with API :) | 21:10 |
| annegentle | hola | 21:10 |
| asettle | o/ | 21:10 |
| annegentle | so, the trove API docs are incomplete after migration, and a user reported the bug to the ML (you all probably saw that) | 21:11 |
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| asettle | *nods* sure did | 21:11 |
| annegentle | I've subscribed laurelm and triaged | 21:11 |
| annegentle | I'll also log the missing clustering API info | 21:11 |
| asettle | Thanks annegentle :) | 21:12 |
| annegentle | And then we're also meeting with flanders, the app dev community manager at the Foundation, to talk about goals for developer.openstack.org | 21:12 |
| annegentle | all are welcome, of course | 21:12 |
| asettle | We sure are. If anyone's interested in poking their head in, ping me or annegentle :) | 21:12 |
| annegentle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+file:api-ref | 21:12 |
| annegentle | and that's the current list of API reference docs reviews | 21:12 |
| annegentle | and then also the NFV Orchestration (tacker) team landed their API ref this week. | 21:13 |
| bsilverman_7 | O/ | 21:13 |
| asettle | Great :) | 21:13 |
| annegentle | and I think that's all there is to report | 21:13 |
| asettle | Hey bsilverman_7 :) | 21:13 |
| asettle | Thanks annegentle :) | 21:13 |
| annegentle | oh, one more thing | 21:13 |
| asettle | Hit it! | 21:14 |
| annegentle | I want to be sure everyone knows I'd like to coach more people on API docs generally - I don't plan to always be the point person here | 21:14 |
| annegentle | so let me know if you're interested | 21:14 |
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| asettle | Good point, if anyone is interested in putting their hands up or knows someone that loves a good API please let us know :) | 21:14 |
| asettle | Okay, so, next up *would* be Kato but he has given us his apologies. | 21:15 |
| asettle | But in a small update, noted that: | 21:15 |
| -asettle- - Created release notes for Ocata. | 21:16 | |
| -asettle- - CLI Reference: Updated some CLI references. Added aodhclient. | 21:16 | |
| -asettle- - Config Reference: Start working on Ocata updates. | 21:16 | |
| asettle | Next up, iphutch with the HA Guide update :) | 21:16 |
| iphutch | Sent a message to the ML looking for people interested in helping out on the HA guide for Pike. Planning for the PTG as I can’t attend. | 21:16 |
| asettle | Thanks iphutch :) | 21:16 |
| asettle | So, next up is the Hypervisor Tuning Guide with Blair. Although I have not been able to get in contact with Blair at all lately. Anyone aware of his presence? | 21:17 |
| asettle | loquacities or annegentle ? | 21:17 |
| loquacities | haven't heard from him | 21:17 |
| asettle | Can't get a peep out of him in emails. | 21:17 |
| annegentle | is he real? :) | 21:17 |
| annegentle | kidding | 21:17 |
| loquacities | i met him once | 21:17 |
| asettle | Hahahhaa figment of my imagination | 21:17 |
| loquacities | :P | 21:17 |
| asettle | loquacities: woah continue | 21:17 |
| asettle | Speaking of loquacities - install guide. GO GIRL GO | 21:18 |
| loquacities | haven't ever seen him in the same room as batman, though | 21:18 |
| loquacities | right, ok | 21:18 |
| asettle | *oh* | 21:18 |
| loquacities | so we have a landing page review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/425821/12 | 21:18 |
| loquacities | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/425821/12 landing page review | 21:18 |
| asettle | Yesss thank you nishpatwa007 | 21:18 |
| loquacities | absolutely :) | 21:18 |
| loquacities | this is what it looks like so far: http://docs-draft.openstack.org/21/425821/12/check/gate-openstack-manuals-tox-doc-publish-checkbuild/54de4cb//publish-docs/www/project-install-guide/draft/index.html | 21:19 |
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| loquacities | also: testing is well underway: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/OcataDocTesting#Installation_Guide | 21:19 |
| asettle | Very swish! | 21:19 |
| loquacities | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/OcataDocTesting#Installation_Guide | 21:19 |
| asettle | Sweet! Great news :) | 21:19 |
| loquacities | so, obvs we still have more testing to do, and we need to land that patch, but we're on track :) | 21:19 |
| loquacities | that's all from me :) | 21:19 |
| asettle | Great :) | 21:19 |
| asettle | Next up is John Davidge for the Networking guide but he's off. | 21:20 |
| asettle | But on his behalf - I can say that he's been smashing networking guide bugs out of the park | 21:20 |
| asettle | And he's working on a Networking Guide working group with the neutron team at the PTG | 21:20 |
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| asettle | If anyone's interested in getting involved, hit John up! He'll probably run it over the docs and neutron day sessions (all week) to try and get some key deliverables smashed. | 21:21 |
| asettle | He is john-davidge on IRC :) | 21:21 |
| asettle | Next up, darrenc with Ops and Arch | 21:21 |
| darrenc | cool | 21:21 |
| darrenc | So there was email discussion last week on what to do with the arch guide | 21:22 |
| darrenc | I *think* the general consensus is getting the draft guide published | 21:22 |
| darrenc | I'll work with bsilverman_7 to prioritize a list of tasks for Pike, and create bug reports for each task | 21:22 |
| asettle | *nods* yep, let's do our best for Pike and push it out | 21:22 |
| bsilverman_7 | Yes | 21:22 |
| asettle | Thanks bsilverman_7 :) | 21:22 |
| darrenc | I think there is still one arch guide patch in review | 21:23 |
| bsilverman_7 | Np. In an uber on way to airport. :-) | 21:23 |
| annegentle | darrenc or bsilverman_7 what did you think of the data findings? | 21:23 |
| annegentle | or ideas on other homes? | 21:23 |
| bsilverman_7 | Interesting but inconclusive | 21:24 |
| darrenc | I think it showed the arch guide is still needed | 21:24 |
| annegentle | darrenc or could be combined with ops guide | 21:24 |
| annegentle | darrenc was my other thought | 21:24 |
| asettle | Problems is annegentle we just moved the arch stuff out of the ops guide | 21:24 |
| annegentle | heh. I'm behind then | 21:25 |
| bsilverman_7 | Ues, showed that arch is still needed but not buried in ops guide | 21:25 |
| bsilverman_7 | Ues/yes | 21:25 |
| annegentle | yah, ok | 21:25 |
| darrenc | so we should remove the arch content in the ops guide. It's been migrated to the arch guide | 21:26 |
| asettle | Looking forward to seeing what you guys have got for Pike :) | 21:26 |
| annegentle | darrenc ok is it the same in both places? | 21:26 |
| bsilverman_7 | Improvement s have been made in arch. | 21:27 |
| darrenc | Well I movd across the content that was still relevant | 21:27 |
| darrenc | and not out of date | 21:28 |
| annegentle | cool darrenc I'd like to see the plan on the ML - thanks | 21:28 |
| darrenc | but I was relying on bsilverman_7 and shaun's advice :) | 21:29 |
| darrenc | will do | 21:29 |
| asettle | Okay, cool! | 21:29 |
| asettle | #action Darren C to send arch guide action plan to ML | 21:29 |
| bsilverman_7 | I am full of "advice" see HA debate :-) | 21:29 |
| asettle | Apologies everyone - We've got a fair bit to cover just yet :) | 21:30 |
| asettle | Next up in Nathaniel with the Security Guide | 21:30 |
| asettle | He's not here but I can say that we have successfully moved the sec-guide bugs to the sec team to look after. | 21:30 |
| asettle | Sec and doc team to coordinate and come up with action plan for the future of the sec guide at the PTG :) | 21:30 |
| loquacities | brilliant idea, that | 21:31 |
| asettle | Next up, Training Guides | 21:31 |
| asettle | loquacities: I am *soooo* brilliant :P | 21:31 |
| loquacities | :) | 21:31 |
| asettle | :P | 21:31 |
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| asettle | Okay, it appears Matjaz is not around for Training Guides | 21:31 |
| asettle | I have no update there. | 21:31 |
| asettle | Training labs! | 21:31 |
| asettle | Roger has left me with a little update note :) | 21:32 |
| -asettle- Training-labs has a rough, but working Ocata patch. Issues we found are noted on the Etherpad as you requested. We should be able to release within a week or two after Ocata is official. | 21:32 | |
| loquacities | yay! | 21:32 |
| asettle | The training-labs team are working on releasing their draft for Ocata to gain some traction (is the TL;DR if that above statement) | 21:32 |
| asettle | I've been attending their meetings to try and work with them a bit more :) | 21:32 |
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| asettle | If anyone has more ideas on how to get support for training-labs - message myself, Pranav, or Roger! | 21:33 |
| asettle | And last, but not at all least, jrobinson with the User and Admin guides :) | 21:33 |
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| jrobinson | Okay, so the legacy command changes have gone through well this release, | 21:34 |
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| jrobinson | and the next steps is to check with the nova, neutron, cinder, and glance teams on the status of some specific project commands. | 21:34 |
| asettle | jrobinson: sounds good! What's left of the command changes? | 21:35 |
| jrobinson | At the same time, swift, trove, manila, and ceilometer do not have an OS command set ready yet. | 21:35 |
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| jrobinson | I don't have an exact list of what's left to change since there is a large number of commands to go through, but I have been through the guides once so far, and a lot of the commands are now OpenStack. | 21:36 |
| jrobinson | Last thing is this patch: | 21:36 |
| jrobinson | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/395729/ | 21:36 |
| asettle | jrobinson: that's terrific. Would you be able to go through the list perhaps and at the next meeting (which might be after the PTG?) let us know what's left? | 21:36 |
| asettle | CooL! | 21:36 |
| jrobinson | It's had workflow ticked twice, but not merged yet. | 21:36 |
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| asettle | jrobinson: the depends-on is not merged. | 21:37 |
| asettle | It's got work to do :) so the gate won't pass until the other patch does | 21:37 |
| jrobinson | asettle, I'll give it a try, no guarantees I might miss a command in one of the files, however. | 21:37 |
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| asettle | jrobinson: of course! Of course :) if you want help, please feel free to reach out at any time. | 21:38 |
| jrobinson | That's all the User Guide updates for now. | 21:38 |
| asettle | Thanks jrobinson :) | 21:38 |
| asettle | We have made it to the other side of reports! Hooray! | 21:38 |
| asettle | #topic Specs in review | 21:38 |
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| asettle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/docs-specs,n,z | 21:38 |
| asettle | Which pretty much points to loquacities and archiving | 21:39 |
| asettle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/426047/ | 21:39 |
| asettle | loquacities: any updates for us? | 21:39 |
| asettle | Can we help at all? | 21:39 |
| loquacities | not really, we can keep iterating | 21:39 |
| asettle | What's the odds on it being merged by the PTG? :) | 21:39 |
| loquacities | yeah, it'll happen ;) | 21:40 |
| asettle | Cool :D | 21:40 |
| asettle | Thanks so much for that loquacities | 21:40 |
| asettle | Alright guys! | 21:40 |
| asettle | #topic Countdown to release: | 21:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Countdown to release: (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 21:40 | |
| asettle | So glad I copied across that colon there | 21:41 |
| asettle | #link http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/launch?iso=20170222T13&p0=1440&msg=OpenStack+Ocata+Release+Day&font=hand | 21:41 |
| asettle | 12 days people! | 21:41 |
| loquacities | eep! | 21:41 |
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| asettle | A reminder of our deliverables: | 21:41 |
| asettle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/OcataDeliverables | 21:41 |
| asettle | Now, just a quick shout out - does anyone need help with their action items? | 21:41 |
| annegentle | I think the new meeting time has been good! | 21:42 |
| asettle | annegentle: that's good to hear! :D | 21:42 |
| asettle | How is this time suiting everyone? I know it's new. Doesn't suit everyone. | 21:42 |
| annegentle | I'm still doing a happy dance every time I see HTTPS | 21:42 |
| asettle | But it's been a trial-period this release | 21:42 |
| asettle | annegentle: ugh yes! Kato and Andreas did an awesome job of updating that in 10.5 seconds too | 21:42 |
| ianychoi | PDF... yep :) | 21:43 |
| asettle | ianychoi: well hey night owl! | 21:43 |
| annegentle | ianychoi wahoo dee hoo! | 21:43 |
| asettle | You have had like what, 5 hours sleep? | 21:43 |
| ianychoi | asettle, 5 hour sleeping right haha | 21:43 |
| bsilverman_7 | I need Gopher and WAIS versions now. | 21:43 |
| asettle | :P terrible | 21:43 |
| ianychoi | annegentle, hi :) | 21:43 |
| asettle | Have you got time to give us a PDF update ianychoi ? :) | 21:43 |
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| ianychoi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2017-February/009627.html | 21:44 |
| ianychoi | I have summarized there: reviewing and applying to openstackdocstheme would be needed | 21:44 |
| annegentle | ianychoi so I looked for reasoning for earlier font choices, and even at that time it took some reviewing to figure out the license. So I think you're better off with the liberation font. | 21:45 |
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| ianychoi | annegentle, aha then using CartoGothic will have no license conflict? | 21:45 |
| annegentle | ianychoi and sorry, I don't have an answer on different variables in conf.py | 21:46 |
| annegentle | ianychoi it doesn't, and we checked years ago, but really, go with liberation if the license is ok | 21:46 |
| ianychoi | annegentle, aha i see! | 21:46 |
| ianychoi | #link http://www.sphinx-doc.org/en/stable/latex.html | 21:46 |
| annegentle | ianychoi and I think that we had to ship the ttfs | 21:46 |
| annegentle | ianychoi to meet the licensing requirements, and let's not do that :) | 21:47 |
| ianychoi | I mainly followed the manual and current conf.py settings would be fine | 21:47 |
| ianychoi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/430549/ | 21:48 |
| ianychoi | The revised patch ships Liberation font! | 21:48 |
| loquacities | ooh! cool :) | 21:49 |
| asettle | That's great ianychoi :) | 21:49 |
| asettle | Is there anything we can help you with? | 21:49 |
| annegentle | ianychoi ok, cool, is Liberation both sanserif and serif? | 21:49 |
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| ianychoi | annegentle, I shipped both of them Sans and Serif | 21:50 |
| ianychoi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/430549/6/doc/admin-guide/source/conf.py | 21:50 |
| ianychoi | Also mono | 21:50 |
| annegentle | ianychoi ok, got it! Nice work. | 21:51 |
| asettle | Very cool :) | 21:51 |
| ianychoi | Yep.. then would it possible to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/430263/ and release new openstckdocstheme version? | 21:52 |
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| asettle | I'm sure once it's merged, bmoss and Maria would be happy to release :) (she says, throwing them under the bus) | 21:52 |
| bmoss | +1 | 21:52 |
| asettle | #action Team to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/430263/ | 21:52 |
| asettle | Sorry guys, we gotta get through the rest of the items here :) | 21:53 |
| asettle | Won't be too long | 21:53 |
| asettle | #topic PTG Atlanta Feb 20-24 2017 - planning underway! | 21:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTG Atlanta Feb 20-24 2017 - planning underway! (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 21:53 | |
| asettle | Event info: | 21:53 |
| asettle | #link http://www.openstack.org/ptg | 21:53 |
| asettle | Tickets (in case anyone needs): | 21:53 |
| asettle | #link https://pikeptg.eventbrite.com/ | 21:53 |
| asettle | Planning! Don't forget to put your item up: | 21:53 |
| asettle | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/docs-i18n-ptg-pike | 21:53 |
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| asettle | ianychoi and I will begin our planning for our joint sessions | 21:54 |
| asettle | Reminder that docs is on Monday and Tuesday | 21:54 |
| ianychoi | Yep :) | 21:54 |
| asettle | If you wanna chat, but can't come, we can still represent you, OR have you virtually there :) | 21:54 |
| asettle | So don't be afraid to put your name or ideas down | 21:54 |
| asettle | #topic Boston Summit | 21:54 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Boston Summit (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 21:54 | |
| asettle | CFP is now closed! | 21:55 |
| asettle | Looking forward to see who gets their talks in :) | 21:55 |
| asettle | For more info: | 21:55 |
| asettle | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/boston-2017/ | 21:55 |
| asettle | Sorry gotta zip now | 21:55 |
| asettle | #topic Bug triaging | 21:55 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bug triaging (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 21:55 | |
| asettle | Reminder to put your name down for bug triaging responsibilities: | 21:55 |
| asettle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/SpecialityTeams | 21:55 |
| asettle | *phew* | 21:55 |
| asettle | #topic Open discussion | 21:55 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 21:55 | |
| asettle | Everyone as you were | 21:55 |
| asettle | 4 minutes left :) any questions, concerns? | 21:56 |
| asettle | Reminder that loquacities is technically the PTL sooooo I know nothing | 21:56 |
| asettle | :P | 21:56 |
| iphutch | please ping me if you you are interested on collaborating for the HA guide in pike :) | 21:56 |
| asettle | Thanks iphutch :) | 21:56 |
| annegentle | iphutch are you also asking the openstack-operators ML? | 21:56 |
| iphutch | sure am | 21:57 |
| annegentle | iphutch coo | 21:57 |
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| annegentle | cool even | 21:57 |
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| jrobinson | On the ML, there has been a discussion about moving the admin guide to the developer repositories. Just a quick comment to say the Nova team might also be interested in a move. | 21:57 |
| ianychoi | And.. it seems that asettle now updates docs crossproject liaison: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons#Documentation | 21:57 |
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| asettle | Oh great jrobinson :) | 21:57 |
| bsilverman_7 | Iphutch, I'll contact you after we clear the arch guide | 21:58 |
| asettle | ianychoi: I sure have been! | 21:58 |
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| ianychoi | I18n-Docs liaison is katomo :) | 21:58 |
| asettle | We have a new faces in the Cross Project Doc world - few members are out, few in. We're chasing up a few others. | 21:58 |
| asettle | Hooray, thanks ianychoi :) | 21:58 |
| iphutch | bsilverman_7: great! | 21:58 |
| asettle | jrobinson: we'll probably want to discuss that in depth at the PTG with ildikov | 21:58 |
| asettle | But perhaps if you and ildikov could sync up and form an action plan so it's less of a free-for-all - that would be great. | 21:59 |
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| asettle | Also, if you wanna have a chat about something in these meeting schedules, please update: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/DocTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 22:00 |
| asettle | On that note | 22:00 |
| asettle | We gotta scoot! | 22:00 |
| asettle | That was fast, woah | 22:00 |
| asettle | Any questions, concerns, feelings, head over to #openstack-doc | 22:00 |
| asettle | Let's start saying hello in our mornings! Make it friendly peeps! | 22:00 |
| asettle | Okay, Settle = Out! | 22:00 |
| bsilverman_7 | C u all at PTG | 22:00 |
| ianychoi | Yep iime is going fast. Thanks a lot for today asettle + all docs team members! | 22:00 |
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| ianychoi | s/iime/time | 22:00 |
| iphutch | o/ | 22:00 |
| ianychoi | o/ | 22:01 |
| asettle | o/ | 22:01 |
| asettle | #endmeeting | 22:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 22:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 9 22:01:05 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2017/docteam.2017-02-09-21.02.html | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2017/docteam.2017-02-09-21.02.txt | 22:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2017/docteam.2017-02-09-21.02.log.html | 22:01 |
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