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| edleafe | #startmeeting nova_scheduler | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 6 14:00:19 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is edleafe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_scheduler' | 14:00 |
| edleafe | Good UGT morning! | 14:00 |
| _gryf | o/ | 14:00 |
| mriedem | o/ | 14:00 |
| edleafe | Who's here today? | 14:00 |
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| * bauzas waves for 25 mins | 14:00 | |
| alex_xu | o/ | 14:00 |
| cdent | o/ | 14:01 |
| * edleafe thinks bauzas's arm will get tired | 14:01 | |
| * cdent worries bauzas is going to get tired | 14:01 | |
| cdent | aw | 14:01 |
| bauzas | heh | 14:01 |
| cdent | jinx | 14:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | o/ | 14:01 |
| edleafe | nice to see everyone concerned about bauzas comfort | 14:01 |
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| diga | o/ | 14:01 |
| bauzas | well, I'm not a Patriots quarterback, but my arm is still strong | 14:02 |
| edleafe | ok, let's get started | 14:02 |
| edleafe | #topic Specs & Reviews | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs & Reviews (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:02 | |
| jaypipes | o/ | 14:02 |
| edleafe | Nobody added anything to the agenda | 14:02 |
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| edleafe | Anyone want to bring something up for discussion? | 14:03 |
| cdent | everybody is tired and confused and disoriented? | 14:03 |
| edleafe | Otherwise, we could get more confused by discussing https://review.openstack.org/#/c/404472/ | 14:03 |
| bauzas | I think I need rest after last week | 14:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think I am in a better place with the current revision | 14:04 |
| diga | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/423872/3/specs/pike/approved/placement-notifications.rst can you go through this spec, I know its not an priority for ocata but need some inputs from you | 14:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | I just have a niggle over setting the inventory where its not needed | 14:04 |
| edleafe | johnthetubaguy: I think there's a lot of "just to be on the safe side" calls that really aren't needed | 14:04 |
| edleafe | And that's throughout the placement work, not just this patch | 14:05 |
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| edleafe | I can see a lot of cleaning up in Pike | 14:05 |
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| diga | cdent: Thanks for your inputs :) | 14:05 |
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| cdent | "I can see a lot of cleaning up in Pike" aye | 14:06 |
| diga | I was on leave for couple of days so didn't get chance to go through | 14:06 |
| diga | Yes | 14:06 |
| edleafe | But the only way to determine that is if we have a clear understanding of the code paths for the various scenarious | 14:06 |
| edleafe | s/scenarious/scenarios | 14:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | agreed, but my problem is that is inconsistent with the current allocation setting logic elsewhere in the client | 14:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | i.e. it sets allocations assuming the inventory is already updated | 14:07 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: can you respond on the review? | 14:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | (which is nice, so we don't have two different places where we try to update the inventory) | 14:07 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: yes | 14:07 |
| edleafe | thx | 14:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | cdent: I am curious how we power forward with the performance enhancements, if we do them early, its possible some might be sensible backports? | 14:08 |
| cdent | johnthetubaguy: I think if we want to do that, we'll have to push hard on creating sensible tests so we know what we're not blowing things up | 14:09 |
| cdent | so much of the resource tracker appears to be "we'll do this just to be sure, but we're not sure why and the people who were may be gone now" | 14:09 |
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| edleafe | So that kind of aligns with the desire to determine all the code paths | 14:09 |
| cdent | yes | 14:09 |
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| johnthetubaguy | cdent: very true, tests first would make sense | 14:10 |
| edleafe | We need to be sure that we have functional tests for each such scenario | 14:10 |
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| cdent | yeah, hard to write tests for scenarios without first knowing the scenarios | 14:10 |
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| edleafe | cdent: well, we know several. It's the less obvious cases that we need to document | 14:11 |
| edleafe | I'm thinking of the bug last week with inventory not being removed when a compute node is destroyed | 14:11 |
| jaypipes | ya | 14:12 |
| bauzas | agreed | 14:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | cdent: you are right though, regression risk may be too high | 14:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | too high for the backport, that is | 14:12 |
| edleafe | So how do we document? My first instinct is "etherpad!", but those never seem to stay relevant for long | 14:13 |
| edleafe | A post to the ML is great, but hard to update | 14:13 |
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| johnthetubaguy | ML post with a link to an etherpad? | 14:13 |
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| johnthetubaguy | looks like cdent got some good data on some smoking guns, I guess its a case of working out how we work through those, and split up the work | 14:14 |
| bauzas | we should probably start drafting what we realistically want for Pike | 14:15 |
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| edleafe | bauzas: I assume that will be a big focus at the PTG | 14:15 |
| bauzas | sure, but preparing it before could be nice, nope ? :) | 14:16 |
| edleafe | of course | 14:16 |
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| johnthetubaguy | was going to say, great to start with a proposal we can discuss | 14:16 |
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| bauzas | violent silence ? | 14:18 |
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| edleafe | OK, then how about this: | 14:18 |
| * jroll walks in late as heck | 14:18 | |
| cdent | bauzas: when you say "what we realistically want" do you mean what we want to fix in what already exists, or what features are we hoping to accomplish, or something else? | 14:18 |
| bauzas | cdent: just trying to make sure we don't want too much features | 14:19 |
| edleafe | bauzas and johnthetubaguy start with that proposal. edleafe and cdent to start documenting the needed functional test scenarios | 14:19 |
| bauzas | but rather trying to see which ones are really important for Pike so we are sure we have review traction | 14:19 |
| edleafe | And then we have something to chew on at the next meeting | 14:19 |
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| johnthetubaguy | honestly, I am only going to be good for reviewing proposals at this point, currently worrying about quota and policy things | 14:20 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: would you have bandwidth to help bauzas with this? | 14:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | macsz: could you help out bauzas at all? | 14:22 |
| bauzas | fine, just ping me next hour | 14:23 |
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| edleafe | Since bauzas has to leave soon, do you have anything else, Sylvain> | 14:23 |
| bauzas | because I need to opt out since I have to go to the child school | 14:23 |
| edleafe | ? | 14:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | (he may not be here, its early) | 14:23 |
| bauzas | edleafe: not really | 14:23 |
| edleafe | ok, just checking | 14:23 |
| diga | bauzas: I can help you if you want | 14:23 |
| bauzas | diga: macsz: jaypipes: okay, ping me around 1500UTC | 14:24 |
| bauzas | and we'll see | 14:24 |
| macsz | johnthetubaguy: sure, just give me a sec to catch up | 14:24 |
| edleafe | cdent: you cool with documenting the needed functional scenarios with me? | 14:24 |
| diga | bauzas: okay | 14:24 |
| cdent | edleafe: yes | 14:24 |
| edleafe | #action edleafe and cdent to document functional scenarios and post that to the ML | 14:25 |
| cdent | ✔ | 14:25 |
| edleafe | #action bauzas, diga and macsz to begin defining the goals for Pike | 14:25 |
| diga | +1 | 14:25 |
| edleafe | Moving on... | 14:26 |
| edleafe | #topic Bugs | 14:26 |
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| edleafe | ANything to discuss here? | 14:26 |
| cdent | just for reference I think the discussion this bug is interesting: | 14:26 |
| cdent | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1661570 | 14:27 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1661570 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Failed to create resource provider record in placement API" [Undecided,New] | 14:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am curious about RC2 candidates if there are any that are spotted | 14:27 |
| cdent | It's about some failing tests where placement was suggested as the problem, because n-cpu is warning | 14:27 |
| cdent | but there's no actual placement problem, it's an ordering issue | 14:27 |
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| cdent | (see my comment, the last one) | 14:27 |
| edleafe | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1661570 | 14:28 |
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| edleafe | Any other bugs spotted? Especially RC blockers? | 14:29 |
| cdent | johnthetubaguy: i'm not yet aware of any rc2 stuff | 14:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | cdent: cool | 14:30 |
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| edleafe | Finally... | 14:31 |
| edleafe | #topic Open Discussion | 14:31 |
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| edleafe | Anyone have anything else on their mind? | 14:31 |
| cdent | that looks like a big no | 14:32 |
| alex_xu | I want to ask is there any more expectation except poc for traits | 14:32 |
| cdent | anti-jinx! | 14:32 |
| alex_xu | before PTG | 14:32 |
| edleafe | alex_xu: I doubt it | 14:32 |
| cdent | We're still reviewing the spec, yeah? | 14:32 |
| alex_xu | cdent: yea, and PoC is up https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/resource-provider-tags | 14:33 |
| * cdent nods | 14:33 | |
| edleafe | alex_xu: I'm hoping to get more focus on traits in Pike now that the guts of placement are in | 14:33 |
| alex_xu | just try to make sure I provide enough info for people disucss traits in PTG | 14:33 |
| alex_xu | edleafe: cool | 14:34 |
| edleafe | Heh - you should change the BP name :) | 14:34 |
| alex_xu | edleafe: yes, sir! | 14:34 |
| alex_xu | ok, so I just continue poc and change bp name, and I need to update spec now | 14:34 |
| edleafe | alex_xu: thanks for pushing ahead on traits. I've been ignoring that in favor of the resource provider stuff | 14:35 |
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| edleafe | alex_xu: but every time we hit flavor extra-specs I scream inside | 14:35 |
| alex_xu | np, people already super busy on the release | 14:35 |
| alex_xu | heh | 14:35 |
| edleafe | Anything else? | 14:36 |
| alex_xu | that is all from me | 14:37 |
| edleafe | OK, then it's back to work/play/sleep! | 14:37 |
| edleafe | #endmeeting | 14:37 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 6 14:37:33 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:37 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2017/nova_scheduler.2017-02-06-14.00.html | 14:37 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2017/nova_scheduler.2017-02-06-14.00.txt | 14:37 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2017/nova_scheduler.2017-02-06-14.00.log.html | 14:37 |
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| ihrachys | #startmeeting neutron_upgrades | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 6 15:00:56 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ihrachys. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_upgrades)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_upgrades' | 15:01 |
| korzen | hello | 15:01 |
| electrocucaracha | hola | 15:01 |
| sindhu | hi | 15:01 |
| dasanind | hi | 15:01 |
| ihrachys | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-Upgrades-Subteam Agenda | 15:02 |
| ihrachys | hey everyone | 15:02 |
| ihrachys | #topic Announcements | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: neutron_upgrades)" | 15:02 | |
| ihrachys | rc1 is cut off master, so master is pike now, and we can start landing patches as usual | 15:02 |
| ihrachys | we may have some preparation work before we do merge full steam, but overall, the branch is open | 15:03 |
| sshank | Hello | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | before we proceed, I'd like to run through ptg plans once again | 15:04 |
| ihrachys | #topic PTG in Atlanta | 15:04 |
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| ihrachys | korzen: I think you were planning to walk through the agenda pad and write up something for our cause | 15:05 |
| korzen | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-ptg-pike-upgrades | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-ptg-pike PTG etherpad | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | korzen++ | 15:05 |
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| korzen | my intention was to have more detailed technical identification of tasks to be done | 15:06 |
| ihrachys | to be done, or to be covered during PTG? | 15:07 |
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| korzen | to be done | 15:07 |
| korzen | putting the priority on online data migration | 15:08 |
| electrocucaracha | korzen: about online data migration, can you expand more that definition? | 15:08 |
| ihrachys | yes, that's the most fuzzy topic. do we want to do prior research? | 15:08 |
| korzen | yes, I will do the research | 15:08 |
| ihrachys | korzen: thanks. | 15:10 |
| korzen | electrocucaracha, moving the data from one format to the newer | 15:10 |
| korzen | online | 15:10 |
| korzen | ;) | 15:10 |
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| korzen | we do not have the candidate for it now, but when it will appear, the framework should be ready to use | 15:11 |
| ihrachys | I believe it comprises of 1) some common hooking mechanism into get_object(s)/create/delete/update that would allow us to reduce the code needed for each case and 2) some hook in neutron-db-manage allowing to enforce transition for all pending updates. | 15:11 |
| electrocucaracha | korzen: during that time the table needs to be blocked? | 15:11 |
| korzen | electrocucaracha, no, table should not be block | 15:12 |
| korzen | at least not for long period of time | 15:12 |
| korzen | the operations on DB should be atomic and doable in chunks | 15:12 |
| korzen | so it can be done in background | 15:13 |
| korzen | also when accessing the object, the data will be also migrated | 15:13 |
| korzen | so get_objects etc will count | 15:13 |
| korzen | as ihrachys said, neutron-db-manage -online-data-migration or similar command should be added | 15:14 |
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| korzen | and when all data is migrated, when old format is not needed, it can be removed in following release | 15:15 |
| korzen | in contact migration script | 15:15 |
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| electrocucaracha | so basically all the new calls will be addressed to the new schema | 15:15 |
| korzen | in n+2 yes | 15:16 |
| korzen | n+1 should be backward compatible | 15:16 |
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| ihrachys | korzen: ok I think the agenda makes sense, should we move it into the common etherpad? or at least link to it from there? | 15:17 |
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| korzen | yes, we can link to it | 15:17 |
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| ihrachys | ok done. drivers team will work this week on clarifying general agenda for the event. | 15:19 |
| ihrachys | #topic Partial Multinode Grenade | 15:20 |
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| ihrachys | korzen: any update on mixed server version? | 15:20 |
| korzen | no yet, I was fighting with the setup | 15:21 |
| korzen | Now, when the Ocata rc1 is released I can check the Newton/Ocata compatibility | 15:23 |
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| korzen | I'm fixing last issues with the k8s enviroment and should be ready to test | 15:23 |
| korzen | the containers should gave us the proper approach for upgrading the neutron servers | 15:24 |
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| korzen | I would roll out the new neutron server with old one running on the other node | 15:24 |
| korzen | with one DB | 15:24 |
| korzen | and the new server will call expand on DB schema | 15:25 |
| korzen | on that level, I will check the API CRUD operations and launching the VMs | 15:25 |
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| korzen | I've heard that mirantis done the zero downtime in their tests, including neutron but it seams that they stopped the neutron server for a short while | 15:27 |
| ihrachys | 'new server will call expand' - you mean, you will restart with new code, then call neutron-db-manage --upgrade --expand from that same container? | 15:27 |
| korzen | ihrachys, yes | 15:27 |
| ihrachys | ok makes sense | 15:27 |
| korzen | funny think that Mirantis claims that only nova scheduler is a problem to achieve zero downtime | 15:28 |
| korzen | but technically speaking neutron and other projects does not support the zero downtime upgrade as of now | 15:29 |
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| korzen | I guess that they were lucky enough to have for example large offline data migration that would delay the networking API to get up | 15:30 |
| korzen | not to have* | 15:30 |
| electrocucaracha | maybe, or they're still using nova-network | 15:31 |
| ihrachys | they don't | 15:31 |
| korzen | I will need to ask more details | 15:31 |
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| korzen | hopefully we can get an answer before PTG | 15:32 |
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| ihrachys | some people even feel ok to change underlying schema while service is running. it may produce some hickups during the time, but in some cases it's well isolated. so that's maybe that. | 15:32 |
| electrocucaracha | by other hand, zero downtime is a hot topic in OSIC, we have guys from nova, QA, cinder and Ansible-Kolla working on that | 15:32 |
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| ihrachys | ok moving on | 15:34 |
| ihrachys | #topic Object implementation | 15:35 |
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| ihrachys | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/neutron+branch:master+topic:bp/adopt-oslo-versioned-objects-for-db Open patches | 15:35 |
| ihrachys | I am going to walk through the list to see what we blocked before rc1 cut-off, and will land where it's due. | 15:35 |
| ihrachys | asingh_: please rebase https://review.openstack.org/356825 (tag patch), that should be ready I think | 15:36 |
| ihrachys | korzen: as for port binding patch, we don't see to have a resolution yet? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/407868/ | 15:36 |
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| electrocucaracha | I have a couple of patches that only refactor the existing code | 15:37 |
| korzen | ihrachys, nope, it is till not passing the gate | 15:38 |
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| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: I will get back to those, opened in tabs | 15:38 |
| manjeets | i have two patches 1. quota ovo https://review.openstack.org/#/c/338625/ | 15:39 |
| manjeets | 2. external network ovo https://review.openstack.org/#/c/353088/ | 15:39 |
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| ihrachys | manjeets: ack | 15:41 |
| sshank | ihrachys, How do we go about the network segment synthetic field in porting binding level? Shall we include both segment id and segment object? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/382037/. | 15:41 |
| electrocucaracha | I can suggest to change the status on the spreadsheet to "Ready", in that way we can distinguish those patches that are ready to be reviewed to those who are in progresss | 15:41 |
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| ihrachys | sshank: wait, you are talking about 'creating' a segment object there. in which case, there won't be a level? | 15:42 |
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| ihrachys | so the order would be 1. create segment 2. create port 3. create binding and levels. I don't see where we have a circular creation problem. or do I miss something? | 15:43 |
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| sshank | ihrachys, For the create segment, we need segment_id in the fields on level object. | 15:44 |
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| ihrachys | sshank: when you create a new segment, you don't pass any levels, they will be created later. | 15:44 |
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| sshank | ihrachys, But for creating the segment, it needs segment ID in level object for foreign key reference. I just wanted to confirm if we need to add this since I was told in the previous reviews to not have segment_id and segment synthetic field. | 15:46 |
| ihrachys | wait, do you talk about 'creating an object' as in 'instantiating python object', not a model? | 15:46 |
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| ihrachys | it may be the case that there is some work to do to make object-field handling code to work for this scenario | 15:47 |
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| ihrachys | lemme check once more, and I will report back on gerrit | 15:48 |
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| sshank | ihrachys, I think we need segment id and segment synthetic field since the former is needed for foreign key referral and the latter for push notificaitons. | 15:48 |
| ihrachys | I think foreign key referral usage is bound to how we implemented that logic, not to the essence of the goal, that is, pulling the right related objects. | 15:49 |
| ihrachys | anyhow, let's take it to gerrit | 15:50 |
| sshank | ihrachys, Okay. Thank you. | 15:50 |
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| ihrachys | I will skip 'Other patches' for this meeting, nothing interesting there | 15:50 |
| ihrachys | #topic Open discussion | 15:50 |
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| ihrachys | I have one thing to point out | 15:50 |
| ihrachys | some of you may have noticed already that gate is unstable lately | 15:51 |
| ihrachys | one of the failures we see is memory consumption going too high, making oom-killer shooting processes, usually mysql. | 15:51 |
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| ihrachys | we also see libvirtd dying on malloc() so that can also be related | 15:51 |
| ihrachys | there is a long thread on that started by armax at http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-February/111413.html | 15:52 |
| ihrachys | basically, neutron and nova are the memory hoggers | 15:52 |
| ihrachys | and we raised memory consumption during mitaka to newton to ocata significantly | 15:52 |
| ihrachys | so we were thinking what could trigger that | 15:53 |
| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: does neutron has a periodic task mechanism as nova? | 15:53 |
| ihrachys | and both nova folks and some of us were thinking, maybe it's OVO adoption that makes services keep some object references in memory | 15:53 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: what's the mechanism? you would need to elaborate. | 15:53 |
| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: by default, nova checks every 60 secs the status of the VMs | 15:54 |
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| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: there is a way to change this behavior to subscribe instead of asking compute nodes | 15:54 |
| ihrachys | so, though we don't have any numbers yet (people are working on generating memory usage profiles), it's worth a note here that OVO is a suspect, and we may need to get involved in whatever comes from the investigation. | 15:55 |
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| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: how does it relate to memory consumption? | 15:55 |
| ihrachys | I think it could change cpu usage pattern but not memory? | 15:55 |
| korzen | ihrachys, is it OVO lib general problem? | 15:56 |
| ihrachys | we don't know yet, maybe nova and neutron do something wrong; maybe it's not even OVO. | 15:56 |
| ihrachys | but nova folks said they noticed memory usage going up when they started adoption | 15:57 |
| ihrachys | so that's now two of us | 15:57 |
| korzen | :) | 15:57 |
| ihrachys | maybe that's related, maybe not. a memory profile should give us data. | 15:57 |
| ihrachys | for now, let's point fingers into oslo direction :)) | 15:57 |
| manjeets | i guess cinder also have ovo it may or may not be ovo | 15:57 |
| ihrachys | yeah, for now it's just unfounded suspicions | 15:58 |
| ihrachys | but it's bad for PR ;) | 15:58 |
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| ihrachys | ok let's call it a day. thanks everyone. | 15:59 |
| ihrachys | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 6 15:59:14 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2017/neutron_upgrades.2017-02-06-15.00.html | 15:59 |
| korzen | thanks | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2017/neutron_upgrades.2017-02-06-15.00.txt | 15:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2017/neutron_upgrades.2017-02-06-15.00.log.html | 15:59 |
| sshank | Thank you. | 15:59 |
| ndahiwade | thanks | 15:59 |
| sindhu | thanks | 15:59 |
| manjeets | thanks | 15:59 |
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| electrocucaracha | thanks | 15:59 |
| gcb | #startmeeting oslo | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 6 16:00:08 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gcb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:00 | |
| gcb | courtesy ping for amotoki, amrith, bknudson, bnemec, dansmith, dhellmann, dims | 16:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 16:00 |
| gcb | courtesy ping for dougwig, e0ne, electrocucaracha, flaper87, garyk, gcb, GheRivero | 16:00 |
| gcb | courtesy ping for haypo, jd__, jecarey, johnsom, jungleboyj, kgiusti, kragniz | 16:00 |
| johnsom | o/ | 16:00 |
| johndperkins | o/ | 16:00 |
| kgiusti | o/ | 16:00 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:00 |
| gcb | courtesy ping for lifeless, lxsli, Nakato, ozamiatin, rbradfor, redrobot, rloo | 16:00 |
| ansmith | o/ | 16:00 |
| electrocucaracha | o/ | 16:00 |
| gcb | courtesy ping for rpodolyaka, sergmelikyan, sileht, spamaps, sreshetnyak, sreshetnyak, stevemar | 16:00 |
| rloo | o/ | 16:01 |
| gcb | courtesy ping for therve, thinrichs, toabctl, viktors, zhiyan, zzzeek | 16:01 |
| gcb | welcome guys, that's really a long name lists :-) | 16:01 |
| rpodolyaka | o/ | 16:01 |
| bknudson | hi | 16:01 |
| toabctl | hi | 16:01 |
| gcb | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 16:02 |
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| bknudson | nothing from keystone that I know of. | 16:02 |
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| gcb | bknudson, thanks | 16:02 |
| johnsom | Smooth sailing with Octavia | 16:02 |
| rloo | no complaints from ironic | 16:02 |
| jungleboyj | No issues from Cinder ... | 16:02 |
| gcb | johnsom, rloo, jungleboyj : ack | 16:03 |
| gcb | #topic Releases for Pike | 16:03 |
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| gcb | we cut stable/ocata branch recently, so I think we need hold new release for Pike | 16:04 |
| gcb | will check with dhellmann when we can release new versions of oslo libraries | 16:05 |
| kgiusti | gcb: actually... would it be possible to release another ocata stable oslo.messaging? | 16:05 |
| kgiusti | gcb: https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo.messaging/+bug/1657485 | 16:05 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1657485 in oslo.messaging "[AMQP 1.0] IPv6 host address raises getaddressinfo() error" [Undecided,Fix released] - Assigned to Andy Smith (ansmith-t) | 16:05 |
| kgiusti | gcb: embarrassing bug :( | 16:06 |
| gcb | kgiusti, let's make a minor release 5.17.1 | 16:07 |
| gcb | not sure it's the time to update g-r | 16:08 |
| kgiusti | gcb: agreed. | 16:08 |
| gcb | so please help submit release commit, and add me as reviewer | 16:08 |
| kgiusti | gcb: kk | 16:09 |
| gcb | okay, let's move on | 16:09 |
| gcb | #topic daily work | 16:09 |
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| gcb | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/oslo-pike-tracking | 16:09 |
| gcb | this is new topic to track our daily work | 16:10 |
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| bknudson | bookmarked | 16:10 |
| gcb | please add your irc name in section Libraries and focus if you can help for specific lib | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | Wow, I didn't realize we had that many libraries. | 16:12 |
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| gcb | oslo core reviewers or liaisons please add item on sections "High prioritiy items" we can focus on them | 16:12 |
| gcb | jungleboyj, yeah we have many | 16:12 |
| gcb | but some are outdated, like hacking which doesn't belong to Oslo team now | 16:13 |
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| gcb | We plan to review items in the etherpad on weekly meeting ,so please add any necessary items , then we have enough time before discussing | 16:15 |
| gcb | #topic PTG | 16:15 |
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| gcb | I just sent a email to collect ideas and suggestions for PTG oslo | 16:16 |
| gcb | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/oslo-ptg-pike | 16:16 |
| gcb | please add items :-) | 16:16 |
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| gcb | #topic Open discussion | 16:18 |
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| gcb | Is there anything want to be raised ? | 16:18 |
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| electrocucaracha | gcb: I won't be able to attend the PTG but I'd be nice to spend some time talking about this http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-February/111526.html | 16:19 |
| electrocucaracha | gcb: it's about the assumption that OVO is consuming a lot of memory | 16:20 |
| gcb | oom-kill, a common issue for OpenStack service | 16:20 |
| bknudson | as far as I know, nobody's done any analysis of keystone memory usage | 16:21 |
| gcb | do you mean you would like to share some insight about that? | 16:21 |
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| gcb | As I remember libvirt has memory leak when create new domain | 16:22 |
| bknudson | if we ever hit a problem in memory usage on our production keystone deployment we'd just ask for a bigger machine ... never got around to doing the memory profiling. | 16:22 |
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| gcb | bknudson: so it's time to figure out the root cause, I just go through emails ,will read more, hope can give some output | 16:23 |
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| electrocucaracha | maybe this patch can help to get a clue of the problem https://review.openstack.org/#/c/428220/ | 16:25 |
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| gcb | electrocucaracha: yeah , thanks for the link. but just for process level, not sure that's useful enough | 16:29 |
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| gcb | anyway, will look at the issue from oslo side | 16:30 |
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| electrocucaracha | thanks gcb | 16:31 |
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| gcb | okay, any otherthing ? | 16:31 |
| gcb | if not, we can call it a meeting now | 16:32 |
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| gcb | thanks everyone | 16:32 |
| jungleboyj | Thank you! | 16:32 |
| electrocucaracha | bye | 16:32 |
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| gcb | #endmeeting | 16:33 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 6 16:33:16 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:33 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2017/oslo.2017-02-06-16.00.html | 16:33 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2017/oslo.2017-02-06-16.00.txt | 16:33 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2017/oslo.2017-02-06-16.00.log.html | 16:33 |
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| dave-mccowan | #startmeeting barbican | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 6 20:00:12 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dave-mccowan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:00 |
| dave-mccowan | #topic roll call | 20:00 |
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| redrobot | o/ | 20:02 |
| * dave-mccowan waves to redrobot | 20:02 | |
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| jaosorior | o/ | 20:02 |
| alee | o/ | 20:02 |
| dave-mccowan | \o/ | 20:03 |
| redrobot | woo! | 20:03 |
| redrobot | it's a party! | 20:03 |
| kfarr | o/ | 20:03 |
| dave-mccowan | as usual, our agenda is here: | 20:03 |
| dave-mccowan | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican | 20:03 |
| dave-mccowan | #topic Summit | 20:04 |
| dave-mccowan | today is the last day to submit a proposal for the Boston summit. | 20:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Summit (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:04 | |
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| dave-mccowan | has anyone submitted a barbican talk? (or want to throw one together quickly today?) | 20:04 |
| redrobot | I'm thinking a Vault vs Barbican talk | 20:05 |
| redrobot | will try to throw something together | 20:05 |
| redrobot | I'm thinking a security model comparison | 20:05 |
| redrobot | maybe a feature comparison as well | 20:05 |
| redrobot | obviously very biased towards Barbican :D | 20:06 |
| alee | dave-mccowan, thanks for the reminder -- I had completely forgotten .. | 20:06 |
| dave-mccowan | redrobot i like it! what use case for each one would be good too. | 20:06 |
| redrobot | yup | 20:06 |
| redrobot | maybe even throw in possible integration | 20:07 |
| redrobot | like Vault as a backend for Barbican | 20:07 |
| redrobot | or Keystone as an auth backend for Vault | 20:07 |
| dave-mccowan | do we want to submit the hands-on barbican session again? | 20:08 |
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| dave-mccowan | let me know if anyone wants help putting something together. | 20:09 |
| dave-mccowan | moving on... | 20:09 |
| redrobot | I thought Fernando was going to do that? | 20:09 |
| redrobot | I'd love some help on the Vault v Barbican talk if anyone is interested | 20:10 |
| dave-mccowan | redrobot count me in | 20:10 |
| dave-mccowan | #topic PTG | 20:11 |
| redrobot | dave-mccowan \o/ | 20:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTG (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:11 | |
| redrobot | I'm officially not going :( | 20:11 |
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| dave-mccowan | two weeks until the PTG. we've got a pretty good agenda, but we're light on attendees. | 20:11 |
| redrobot | but I'd love to be a floating head on the projector | 20:11 |
| dave-mccowan | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ptg-barbican-pike | 20:11 |
| redrobot | maybe we can schedule a couple of 1hr hangouts each day? | 20:11 |
| dave-mccowan | I'll definitely set up something for anyone who want to attend remotely. | 20:11 |
| alee | dave-mccowan, I think we're going to feel like an episode of futurama .. | 20:12 |
| redrobot | alee lol | 20:12 |
| dave-mccowan | the PTG is intended to kick off the Pike cyle | 20:12 |
| mrhillsman | you all do not have an open item on the agenda | 20:13 |
| mrhillsman | so will drop in something here if ok | 20:13 |
| dave-mccowan | alee, kfarr i know you are coming, but also have other project sessions you want to go to. we should try to firm up an agenda with days and times to help with coordination. | 20:13 |
| mrhillsman | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-adopt-a-project-pike | 20:13 |
| mrhillsman | it is 'relevant' i think to ptg | 20:13 |
| mrhillsman | within osic the ops team would like to assist with offering feedback to barbican, details in the etherpad | 20:14 |
| dave-mccowan | #topic Ops Proposition | 20:14 |
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| dave-mccowan | hi mrhillsman | 20:14 |
| mrhillsman | if possible at ptg it can be brought up and how it could be beneficial that would be great | 20:14 |
| mrhillsman | or not beneficial :) | 20:14 |
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| mrhillsman | and how we can collaborate to be successful over pike with some expected outcomes | 20:15 |
| mrhillsman | we just put what we thought made sense there and looking for feedback | 20:15 |
| mrhillsman | hey dave-mccowan | 20:15 |
| dave-mccowan | mrhillsman that sounds great. we, as a community, have been wanting to boost our adoption. we're open to any contributions in that regards. | 20:16 |
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| dave-mccowan | is the PTG the best place to start the conversation? | 20:16 |
| dave-mccowan | that's fine with me. | 20:16 |
| mrhillsman | we will not be at the ptg i believe | 20:16 |
| redrobot | "we plan to add to OSIC for Pike" YES!!! :D | 20:17 |
| redrobot | ^^ this makes me happy | 20:17 |
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| mrhillsman | we just thought maybe you all could discuss and we could work to define some goals together through this effort | 20:17 |
| mrhillsman | amongst the other items you all come up with | 20:17 |
| redrobot | mrhillsman are you at OSIC in San Antonion? | 20:17 |
| redrobot | *Antonio | 20:17 |
| mrhillsman | if you do however setup remote access, someone will sit in for sure | 20:18 |
| mrhillsman | i am not redrobot, in Houston | 20:18 |
| mrhillsman | but our team is there | 20:18 |
| redrobot | redrobot ah, ok | 20:18 |
| mrhillsman | i can schedule a time after the ptg to be in sa though and we can get together | 20:18 |
| mrhillsman | barbican and osic ops folks | 20:18 |
| redrobot | mrhillsman sounds good | 20:18 |
| mrhillsman | cool, i'll email you | 20:18 |
| mrhillsman | that is all i wanted to offer | 20:19 |
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| redrobot | mrhillsman I'm is Douglas Mendizábal at Rackspace btw | 20:19 |
| mrhillsman | thanks for your time | 20:19 |
| mrhillsman | yep, i got you :) | 20:19 |
| redrobot | 😎 | 20:19 |
| mrhillsman | we've talked/met | 20:19 |
| dave-mccowan | mrhillsman thanks! i'll add this as a standing agenda item for our weekly calls, so we can track this going into Pike. | 20:20 |
| dave-mccowan | #topic Ocata Status | 20:20 |
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| mrhillsman | thx dave-mccowan | 20:20 |
| dave-mccowan | Last Friday, we released RC1 and pulled stable/ocata for Barbican | 20:21 |
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| dave-mccowan | also kfarr pull stable/ocata for Castellan (the first stable branch for Castellan) | 20:21 |
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| kfarr | Yup! | 20:21 |
| dave-mccowan | barbican master is for Pike developmet | 20:21 |
| redrobot | woot! | 20:22 |
| redrobot | can I resubmit the ID change? | 20:22 |
| dave-mccowan | if we don't find any showstoppers this week, RC1 will become our Ocata release. | 20:22 |
| dave-mccowan | redrobot yes, let's do that soon. we need the co-requisite changes to client. | 20:23 |
| redrobot | dave-mccowan ack, I can work on the client bits and then submit both at the same time | 20:23 |
| dave-mccowan | great! thanks! | 20:23 |
| dave-mccowan | any other questions on Ocata? | 20:24 |
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| dave-mccowan | #topic tempest testing | 20:24 |
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| dave-mccowan | there is one outstanding review now in barbican-tempest-plugin | 20:25 |
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| kfarr | Dane and Peter are planning on working on scenario tests this week | 20:26 |
| kfarr | to test the integration with Glance / Nova / etc | 20:26 |
| dave-mccowan | \o/ kfarr let them know we appreciate it. :-) | 20:26 |
| kfarr | Yeah, thanks for the code reviews! | 20:27 |
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| dave-mccowan | #topic payload_content_type bug | 20:27 |
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| dave-mccowan | this morning, someone in the channel asked about https://bugs.launchpad.net/barbican/+bug/1479439 | 20:27 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1479439 in Barbican "cannot retrieve certificate payload with snakeoil plugin" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 20:27 |
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| dave-mccowan | which is a really old bug, that is apparently still there | 20:28 |
| dave-mccowan | he's using the python client, and it is sending the content type as None which failing | 20:29 |
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| dave-mccowan | comments in the code from 2015 say we've deprecated support for a user specifying payload_content_type, but it seems we need to for the code work. | 20:30 |
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| dave-mccowan | if you have any thoughts on this, please attach them to the bug. | 20:31 |
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| dave-mccowan | #topic any other business | 20:31 |
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| dave-mccowan | ok... we're done a little early. | 20:32 |
| dave-mccowan | everyone can use the time to submit summit talk proposals. :-) | 20:33 |
| redrobot | o/ | 20:33 |
| redrobot | oh I have a spec I'm working on | 20:33 |
| redrobot | for Pike | 20:33 |
| redrobot | basically I want to steal some ideas from Vault and add Shamir's Secret Sharing support to SimpleCrypto | 20:34 |
| dave-mccowan | redrobot cool. i think the community is hoping for something like this... | 20:35 |
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| redrobot | so instead of storing an encryption key in the conf file, we would be able to split the key into K pieces and only require N of them to start up Barbican | 20:35 |
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| redrobot | anyway, I'll try to get an initial spec this week | 20:35 |
| redrobot | thinking maybe API calls to provide the key pieces... | 20:36 |
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| dave-mccowan | cool. 6 months to go until Pike release. :-) | 20:37 |
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| dave-mccowan | last call for any other business | 20:38 |
| diazjf | o/ sorry was in a meeting | 20:38 |
| redrobot | diazjf did you submit the workshop? | 20:38 |
| diazjf | redrobot, nope. When is the deadline? | 20:39 |
| redrobot | diazjf today | 20:39 |
| dave-mccowan | midnight tonight (i think PST) | 20:39 |
| diazjf | redrobot, I'll put it up within the next hour | 20:39 |
| redrobot | diazjf awesome! | 20:40 |
| diazjf | kfarr, dave-mccowan, alee, I will add all of you as well :) | 20:40 |
| dave-mccowan | diazjf thanks! | 20:40 |
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| dave-mccowan | diazjf we're just wrapping up. did you want to bring anything up? | 20:41 |
| redrobot | dave-mccowan so are you officially PTL for Pike now? | 20:41 |
| dave-mccowan | yes. i couldn't pass off the hot potato. :-) | 20:42 |
| redrobot | lol, congrats dave-mccowan ! | 20:42 |
| jaosorior | congrats dude! and thanks | 20:42 |
| redrobot | yeah, thanks for hanging on to the patata :D | 20:42 |
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| dave-mccowan | no worries. happy to help. everyone start thinking about next cycle, if you're interested. | 20:44 |
| diazjf | congrats!! | 20:44 |
| dave-mccowan | catch everyone later... | 20:45 |
| dave-mccowan | #endmeeting | 20:45 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 6 20:45:19 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2017/barbican.2017-02-06-20.00.html | 20:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2017/barbican.2017-02-06-20.00.txt | 20:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2017/barbican.2017-02-06-20.00.log.html | 20:45 |
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| leong | #startmeeting product_working_group | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 6 21:00:28 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is leong. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: product_working_group)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'product_working_group' | 21:00 |
| Rockyg | o/ | 21:00 |
| leong | anyone here for Product WG meeting? | 21:00 |
| MeganR | o/ | 21:00 |
| leong | #topic rollcall | 21:00 |
| leong | o/ | 21:00 |
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| kencjohnston | o/ | 21:01 |
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| leong | hi rockyg, meganr, kencjohnston and krishr... | 21:01 |
| KrishR | hi Leong | 21:01 |
| leong | today agenda can be found here: | 21:01 |
| leong | #link Agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team | 21:01 |
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| leong | hopefully shamail can join us as well.... | 21:02 |
| leong | anything else that you would like to add to today Agenda? | 21:02 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | hello | 21:02 |
| leong | hi arkady | 21:02 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | hi leong | 21:03 |
| leong | #topic Action items from previous meeting | 21:03 |
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| mrhillsman | o/ | 21:03 |
| * Rockyg waves to everbody | 21:03 | |
| leong | #link Last week action items: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2017/product_working_group.2017-01-30-21.00.html | 21:03 |
| * leong wave... | 21:03 | |
| leong | let's have a quick update from last week meeting... | 21:04 |
| leong | the PWG midcycle location | 21:04 |
| leong | Rockyg, do you have anything from Huawei? | 21:04 |
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| leong | also a question to everyone, have anyone receive/confirm travel to Milan Ops midcycle? | 21:05 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | no on Milan | 21:06 |
| leong | i think we need to estimate the attendees and size of room | 21:06 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | but I planning to | 21:06 |
| leong | my travel to Milan is approved | 21:06 |
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| MeganR | I will not be going | 21:07 |
| heidijoy | I will be there. | 21:07 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | I plan to attend | 21:07 |
| leong | Rockyg, do you have anything from Huawei? | 21:08 |
| Rockyg | I've got yet another name to track down. Office is about 1/2 hour from ops meetup site by car. very round about. I have to find out how big the office is and who's in charge. | 21:08 |
| Rockyg | But, a little progress. | 21:09 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | any chance we can have it all in one place with ops summit? | 21:09 |
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| leong | i also prefer the same location as with Ops midcycle.... i remember the cost is about euro$300 per day | 21:10 |
| leong | for a room | 21:10 |
| Rockyg | Hmm. Lemme run that by Anni.... | 21:10 |
| leong | if anyone here can get a "sponsor", then we can be at the same place | 21:10 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | meeting room or individual hotel room? | 21:10 |
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| leong | meeting room | 21:11 |
| Rockyg | so, is it two or three days? | 21:11 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I rcealled Intel was also volunteering... | 21:11 |
| leong | mrhilsman: maybe if you can help us to validate if we can book a meeting room at the same location as Ops midcycle | 21:11 |
| leong | the plan was two days PWG at Milan | 21:12 |
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| heidijoy | ^^Correct- plan is Mon/Tue preceding the Wed/Thur Ops Midcycle | 21:12 |
| Rockyg | thanks. | 21:12 |
| leong | Arkady_Kanevsky: i think u mix up with Aug one.. but Intel is not able to sponsor the Aug one either | 21:13 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | got it | 21:13 |
| leong | Let's discuss the PWG Ops meetup again next week, we also need to make sure we have enough quorom to host the F2F meeting for PWG | 21:13 |
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| Rockyg | I texted Anni. We'll see... | 21:14 |
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| leong | hi shamail | 21:14 |
| Rockyg | hey, shamail | 21:14 |
| leong | we were just talking about the mid-cycle location | 21:14 |
| shamail | Hi Leong and everyone! Sorry for being late, just landed. | 21:14 |
| leong | not a problem.. | 21:15 |
| leong | can you confirm if IBM can host us? someone also suggest the same location as Ops | 21:15 |
| shamail | IBM can host us during midcycle but I am confirming the final details | 21:15 |
| shamail | It's more than likely that we can find space but I can confirm next week. | 21:15 |
| leong | great.. thanks! let's follow up this again in next week meeting.. | 21:15 |
| shamail | Did we find out if it would be possible to get space in the same venue as the ops meetup? | 21:15 |
| leong | #agreed: to follow-up the PWG mid-cycle planning next week | 21:16 |
| shamail | mrhillsman: ping | 21:16 |
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| leong | let's follow that up offline with mrhillsman.. :-) | 21:17 |
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| leong | let's move on to next topic :) | 21:17 |
| leong | #topic "open" gerrit review | 21:17 |
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| leong | #link gerrit: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/openstack-user-stories+status:open | 21:17 |
| leong | any one gerrit item that need our attention? | 21:18 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | we have some fairly old ones sitting without progress | 21:19 |
| AndyU | We'll be discussing Improve Error Codes Story in LCOO meeting this week | 21:19 |
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| leong | +1 andyU | 21:19 |
| mrhillsman | sorry, had to step away | 21:19 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | like - https://review.openstack.org/253228 | 21:19 |
| Rockyg | Also tonight in Regional PWG | 21:19 |
| leong | +1 rockg :) | 21:20 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | what shoudl we do with the ones that are not being responded on? | 21:20 |
| shamail | Np mrhillsman, I was trying to find out if it would be possible to use the same venue as the ops meetup in Milan. I'll follow up via email. | 21:20 |
| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: I think we leave them alone for now unless the authors have made the necessary changes. We can discuss further at midcycle to see if we need to abandon any. | 21:21 |
| leong | Arkady_kanevsky, i will go through the list today and tomorrow and will reply on gerrit | 21:21 |
| Rockyg | if we want movement on specific ones, someone should comment to get discussion happening again. | 21:21 |
| leong | +1 shamail | 21:21 |
| mrhillsman | ok shamail will keep an eye out | 21:21 |
| kencjohnston | on gerrit, I had an item with a merge conflcit that I just resolved - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/352182/ | 21:21 |
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| shamail | Nice kencjohnston | 21:22 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Propose that if a patch was review and have feedback and author is not updating it acroiss releases we abandon it. | 21:22 |
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| leong | thanks kencjohnston.. i will have a look after this meeting | 21:22 |
| kencjohnston | Also, we have a couple of "Abandon potentials" from Piet | 21:22 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Thanks Shamail and Leong. | 21:22 |
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| leong | also, as Carol retired, we need to get more core reviewer | 21:22 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Agree <kencjohnston> | 21:22 |
| shamail | kencjohnston: +1 | 21:22 |
| Rockyg | I think we need to ping authors before we abandon..... | 21:22 |
| kencjohnston | Without new owners steppign forward I'm willing to get what is there merged, but not going to be able to own it for updates/scope additions. | 21:23 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I am trying to dillegently review any pacthes that are updated. | 21:23 |
| Rockyg | And should come up with a policy on when to mark abandoned | 21:23 |
| shamail | kencjohnston: +1 | 21:23 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | nut will not comment on the ones that are already havce comments that are not being addressed | 21:23 |
| shamail | I think we can revisit what needs to be abandoned when we are all together at midcycle | 21:23 |
| Rockyg | ++ | 21:23 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 | 21:23 |
| leong | +1 shamail | 21:23 |
| shamail | Rockyg: +1 on policy | 21:24 |
| kencjohnston | shamail +1 | 21:24 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I think that only chair can abandon pull request or the author | 21:24 |
| Rockyg | Policy should go on midcycle agenda... | 21:24 |
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| shamail | Leong can you make an action to review Ken's updated patch and agreement on reviewing old changes at midcycle | 21:24 |
| leong | i think "core" can abandon | 21:24 |
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| shamail | Core is fair. | 21:25 |
| Rockyg | leong, ++ | 21:25 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I am fine as long as we have formally defined process. | 21:25 |
| * kencjohnston pulls out his "abandon" baseball bat. | 21:25 | |
| leong | #agreed All review Kenny updated patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/352182/ | 21:25 |
| shamail | lol kencjohnston | 21:25 |
| kencjohnston | That patch was ready for merge, just hit a conflict that I took to long ot resolve. | 21:25 |
| shamail | Yeah, saw that | 21:26 |
| shamail | Should be a quick workflow | 21:26 |
| leong | #agreed All will review the list of changes at gerrit and define abandon policy at Midcycle | 21:26 |
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| leong | any thing else on this agenda? if not, shall we move on to next topic? | 21:27 |
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| leong | #topic Updates on the proposal for PWG participation in Forum | 21:27 |
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| leong | #link Proposal: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1jTlO4UdNjc5cOKboeCNhLDEdttazWWlDgNxxulUrPNg/edit | 21:28 |
| leong | We will present the above proposal at next UC meeting... | 21:28 |
| leong | any feedback and comments? | 21:29 |
| leong | shamail, do you have anything to add | 21:29 |
| leong | ? | 21:29 |
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| shamail | We didn't present at the last UC meeting or did it get cancelled? | 21:29 |
| shamail | (I missed it) | 21:29 |
| leong | the agenda wasn't added to last UC meeting | 21:30 |
| leong | and 2 out of 3 UC wasn't there | 21:30 |
| shamail | Oh, okay. Nothing add.. look forward to the team's feedback. I should be able to attend the next UC meeting as well. | 21:30 |
| shamail | 5 of us agreed to volunteer and continue this work until the Summit. | 21:31 |
| leong | yup | 21:31 |
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| shamail | I will send a doodle poll once we hear feedback from UC to continue that work. | 21:31 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | nice proposal | 21:31 |
| leong | 5= shamail, leong, meganr, kencjohnston and geraldk | 21:31 |
| shamail | Others are welcome to join, just respond to the doodle poll when you see it. | 21:31 |
| shamail | We will also be reaching out more broadly than just PWG | 21:31 |
| kencjohnston | leong shamail - If I can help with the UC presentation let me know | 21:32 |
| leong | it will be great to get everyone else in PWG to join! | 21:32 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | suggest that we are responsible that there is a rep from each required WG to attend. | 21:32 |
| shamail | kencjohnston: absolutely | 21:32 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I can help. | 21:32 |
| shamail | I think Leong and yourself volunteered to present, I'll just be there to help provide support and say "YES!" | 21:32 |
| leong | haha :-) | 21:32 |
| shamail | I don't want to schedule the doodle poll though until we get feedback from UC | 21:33 |
| leong | shamail: agree | 21:33 |
| kencjohnston | I have to juggle around my calendar to make the UC meetings so let me know once we get on the agenda and I'll make it a priority to attend. | 21:33 |
| shamail | So that's probably the next step after the UC meeting | 21:33 |
| shamail | kencjohnston: +1, will do | 21:33 |
| leong | i will take the lead to present the proposal at UC meeting, with support from Shamail and Kencjohnston :-) | 21:33 |
| shamail | leong: do you want to pursue getting it added to agenda or do you want me to? | 21:34 |
| leong | it is already added to the UC next meeting agenda... i will double check again | 21:34 |
| shamail | Okay, thanks | 21:34 |
| leong | #action Leong to check the proposal is added to UC meeting agenda | 21:34 |
| leong | next topic on the agenda is Session Submissions | 21:35 |
| leong | #topic Session Submissions | 21:35 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | for boston summit? | 21:35 |
| leong | yup boston summit | 21:35 |
| leong | I have submitted the PWG Working Session and Kenny has submitted the BoF | 21:35 |
| leong | the deadline is today 11:59pm Pacific | 21:36 |
| leong | i believe Shamail also submitted a Roadmap session | 21:36 |
| shamail | I submitted the roadmap session and added Ken and Pete for now to ensure we made the deadline. We can revisit the session/speakers if it's accepted | 21:36 |
| leong | +1 shamail | 21:37 |
| Rockyg | I'm trying to get a log WG session for Boston. Work on error code stories, spec, etc. | 21:37 |
| shamail | kencjohnston I meant :) | 21:37 |
| shamail | Rockyg: Forum sessions haven't opened yet | 21:37 |
| Rockyg | Wg group session, not forum | 21:38 |
| shamail | Ah | 21:38 |
| leong | rockyg: you mean a Logging Working Group? do we have that? | 21:38 |
| Rockyg | log wg is moribund, but looks like ther's enough interest to get it going again. | 21:39 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | is it worth submitting something on Themes? | 21:39 |
| shamail | I have to leave, boarding next flight soon :). I'll catch up via log. Ya | 21:39 |
| shamail | Ya | 21:39 |
| Rockyg | leong, yup. I am co-chair, but it's not been meeting for a while | 21:39 |
| shamail | Take care!* | 21:39 |
| leong | take care shamail | 21:39 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | SHould we submit one on status on non-disruptive upgrade user story? | 21:40 |
| leong | rockyg: got it .. | 21:40 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | or is an example of roadmap submission? | 21:40 |
| leong | Arkady_Kanevsky: i don't get you? | 21:41 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | upgrade is the olde user story we were driving. | 21:41 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | should we submit review of results of that work. And use Tracker for it | 21:42 |
| leong | do you mean an agenda item in PWG WG session? or a separate discussion session at Forum | 21:42 |
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| leong | the Forum is not opening to accept submission yet. | 21:43 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | submission for bosotn summit | 21:43 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | deadline it today | 21:43 |
| leong | Are referring to present a "user story update" presentation for Rolling Upgrade? | 21:44 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | yes | 21:44 |
| leong | i'm not sure how much thing we can update on "rolling upgrade"? Kencjohnston? | 21:45 |
| leong | kei, andyu and I have submitted a session to "promote / explain" Product WG, we plan to use Baremetal as an example. | 21:46 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | my concern that we as PWG are submitting very few things for a summit. so I am thinking what can we submit that are intersteding for community | 21:46 |
| kencjohnston | Hmm, I'd be included to leave the updates on progress to the developers, but I agree on Arkady_Kanevsky point. | 21:46 |
| kencjohnston | Arkady_Kanevsky +1, it would be interesting for the community, and provide visibility | 21:46 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | <leong> - cool | 21:46 |
| kencjohnston | I'm not sure I could get the submission together in time, I'll try and throw something together tonight. | 21:46 |
| leong | ok.. thanks kencjohnston | 21:47 |
| heidijoy | Also the PWG will be helping to guide the PTL project sessions with a presentation template. | 21:47 |
| leong | #info kei, andyu and leong have submitted a session to "promote / explain" Product WG, and plan to use Baremetal as an example. | 21:47 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | for tonight we only need a short blurb. real work will come later if accepetd | 21:47 |
| kencjohnston | I have until 2am right? | 21:47 |
| leong | 11:59pm Pacific :) | 21:47 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Ken, I will be happy wotk work with you on it. | 21:47 |
| kencjohnston | leong Right, like I said, 2am for me | 21:47 |
| kencjohnston | Arkady_Kanevsky +1 thanks, I'll shoot you a note | 21:48 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 | 21:48 |
| leong | #info Kencjonston and Arkady_Kanevsky will work on an update for Rolling Upgrade user-story | 21:48 |
| leong | anything else on this agenda? | 21:48 |
| leong | #topic Simplifying User Story Submission | 21:49 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Simplifying User Story Submission (Meeting topic: product_working_group)" | 21:49 | |
| leong | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PWG-story-submission-ideas | 21:49 |
| Rockyg | ++ | 21:49 |
| leong | i think we can discuss this at Midcycle as well on how to simplify user story submission? | 21:50 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 leong | 21:50 |
| leong | Please continue to brainstorm and put your suggestion on the above etherpad | 21:50 |
| leong | #agreed Leong to include "Simplifying User Story Submission" in PWG Midcycle Agenda | 21:51 |
| leong | #topic Open | 21:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open (Meeting topic: product_working_group)" | 21:51 | |
| AndyU | Is the name going to possibly change? From "Story" to something higher level sounding? | 21:51 |
| leong | AndyU: someone brought up that point as well, can you add that into the etherpad? | 21:52 |
| AndyU | will do | 21:52 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | will comment on etherpad | 21:52 |
| leong | any open item for the remaining 8 mins | 21:52 |
| leong | i have one item for Open discussion... | 21:53 |
| leong | is about LCOO | 21:53 |
| leong | LCOO is a new WG that initiated by few large operators (AT&T, Orange, NTT, etc...) | 21:53 |
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| leong | they are still in a planning phase.. and AndyU is a co-chair of LCOO roadmap team | 21:54 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I saw that. do we really need a new group for it? | 21:54 |
| Rockyg | leong, thanks for bringing this up. | 21:54 |
| leong | I was involved/engaged in recent conversation.. i think we, as in Product WG, can help to group to integrate with the community? | 21:55 |
| leong | LCOO is keen to adopt our PWG workflow | 21:55 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | Why is Telco group not sufficient for it? | 21:55 |
| Rockyg | It would be great if they could just integrate into existing WGs | 21:55 |
| heidijoy | Additional topic: FYI, I'm distributing roadmap survey request today to PTLs - 25 projects covered - for the Ocata cycle & beyond. | 21:55 |
| Rockyg | Might give the WGs some extra energy | 21:55 |
| leong | the Telco group is a different function from LCOO | 21:55 |
| leong | thanks heidijoy | 21:55 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | Love it if they use our workflow | 21:56 |
| leong | #info Heidijoy is distributing roadmap survey request today to PTLs - 25 projects covered - for the Ocata cycle & beyond | 21:56 |
| heidijoy | The foundation is looking to the PWG for help in prioritizing/highlighting Ocata features that support our "one platform" message. | 21:56 |
| kencjohnston | heidijoy Where can we get more details on what we mean by "one platform"? | 21:57 |
| heidijoy | our “one platform” message—that OpenStack enables users to coordinate virtual machines, bare metal, containers and other emerging technologies from a single platform. If your team’s features support this effort, please explain how they do so on the survey so we can highlight your project. | 21:57 |
| leong | i am hoping that PWG members here can help to collaborate with LCOO... one example is the Logging feature | 21:57 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | heidi what help do you envision from PWG? | 21:58 |
| heidijoy | kencjohnston: I'll follow up for a better description | 21:58 |
| kencjohnston | heidijoy No worries, that gets me started :) | 21:58 |
| AndyU | LCOO is definitely seeking to collaborate with PWG | 21:58 |
| heidijoy | arkady_kanevsky: Looking for a few PWG folks to review the spreadsheet of answers and make notes (Google Sheets) on what has strong end-user benefit and/or significance for "one platform" | 21:59 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | heidi - I will be happy to help | 21:59 |
| leong | any questions for LCOO? | 21:59 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | are LCOO meeting at Milan? | 21:59 |
| Rockyg | Will anyone be attending tonight's PWG from LCOO? | 21:59 |
| leong | Arkady, heidijoy, ken: will take note on that discussion with "one platform" | 22:00 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | If yes, can we invite them to "joint: meetong? | 22:00 |
| leong | yes... AndyU from LCO is planning to | 22:00 |
| Rockyg | Thanks1 | 22:00 |
| AndyU | RockyG: not that I know of, but perhaps | 22:00 |
| leong | sorry... i refer to Milan meeting | 22:00 |
| Rockyg | 10pm PST | 22:00 |
| leong | Rockyg, i will discuss that in tonight regional meeting | 22:00 |
| Rockyg | Late for folks with farms | 22:00 |
| AndyU | Yes, I'm hoping to join you in Milan. Not approved to travel yet though. | 22:01 |
| mordred | Rockyg: people can stay up late on the farm too :) | 22:01 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | neec to drop | 22:01 |
| AndyU | Rocky G; ha ha | 22:01 |
| leong | we hit the hour.. | 22:01 |
| leong | please direct questions to mailing list if necessary | 22:01 |
| leong | #endmeeting | 22:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 6 22:01:57 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2017/product_working_group.2017-02-06-21.00.html | 22:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2017/product_working_group.2017-02-06-21.00.txt | 22:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2017/product_working_group.2017-02-06-21.00.log.html | 22:02 |
| jeblair | hi zuul folks! | 22:02 |
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| fungi | mmm | 22:02 |
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| adam_g | hi there | 22:02 |
| clarkb | hello | 22:02 |
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| pabelanger | hi | 22:02 |
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| jeblair | #startmeeting zuul | 22:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 6 22:03:04 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jeblair. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'zuul' | 22:03 |
| jeblair | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Zuul | 22:03 |
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| jeblair | #link previous meeting http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2017/zuul.2017-01-30-22.00.html | 22:03 |
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| SpamapS | o/ | 22:03 |
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| jeblair | i'd like to reserve at least the last 20 minutes for talk about the ptg | 22:04 |
| jeblair | so with that | 22:04 |
| jeblair | #topic Status updates: Nodepool Zookeeper work | 22:04 |
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| jhesketh | o/ | 22:04 |
| jamielennox | o/ | 22:05 |
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| jeblair | Shrews is continuing work on having nodepool actually return nodes | 22:06 |
| Shrews | 428428 makes our integration job pass | 22:06 |
| fungi | that would be useful | 22:06 |
| pabelanger | Shrews: nice work | 22:07 |
| jeblair | Shrews: now might be a good time for someone to jump in and update the nodepool cli commands to use zookeeper? if you think so, and no one else does that soon, i may... | 22:07 |
| morgan | :) | 22:07 |
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| Shrews | jeblair: i think someone could begin poking at that. i won't get to it anytime soon | 22:08 |
| pabelanger | If we are ready to start using more zookeeper in nodepool, I don't mind poking into that again. It went quite well last time | 22:08 |
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| SpamapS | jeblair: is there a story for that yet? | 22:08 |
| * SpamapS can make one | 22:09 | |
| jeblair | SpamapS: don't think so, and thanks | 22:09 |
| * SpamapS makes it | 22:09 | |
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| jeblair | #topic Status updates: Devstack-gate roles refactoring | 22:10 |
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| jeblair | rcarrillocruz, clarkb: where you talking about that earlier? | 22:11 |
| SpamapS | FYI: https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2000856 | 22:11 |
| clarkb | jeblair: yes, I think the current patchset on the first change is good to go | 22:11 |
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| rcarrillocruz | yeah, passing tempest tests now in zuul | 22:11 |
| rcarrillocruz | just needs a +A | 22:11 |
| jeblair | #link nodepool zk cli work can begin https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2000856 | 22:11 |
| clarkb | the second still has a -1 from previous reviews that will need addressing (I think rcarrillocruz may be trying to reduce number of iterations and focus on one at a time) | 22:11 |
| rcarrillocruz | y | 22:11 |
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| jeblair | rcarrillocruz, clarkb: so 403732 is ready? | 22:12 |
| clarkb | yes I think so | 22:12 |
| rcarrillocruz | imho yeah | 22:13 |
| jeblair | #link devstack-gate roles change ready for approval https://review.openstack.org/403732 | 22:13 |
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| jeblair | #link next devstack-gate roles change https://review.openstack.org/404243 | 22:13 |
| jeblair | #topic Status updates: Zuul test enablement | 22:14 |
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| jeblair | a bunch of those just showed up recently! :) | 22:15 |
| adam_g | i've started to pick up some low hangers again between doing other things.. | 22:15 |
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| adam_g | i noticed test_dependent_behind_dequeue, which was recently reenabled, doesnt seem to be too stable. i had to recheck against it a few times and noticed others had to as well | 22:15 |
| jeblair | also -- reminder that we merged a change that requires a playbook for every test job now. there's a make_playbooks.py script in zuul/tests to help automate that. | 22:15 |
| pabelanger | I've fixed my conflicts today, and started on the conflict project tests today | 22:16 |
| jeblair | adam_g: yeah, i recently made it more stable by extending the timeouts (it's a very busy test), but there have now been a few failures of it since then, so there's still something going on | 22:16 |
| adam_g | ah | 22:17 |
| jeblair | we also just merged a change which attaches full debug logs on test failures, so as long as it doesn't manifest as a timeout (which this one, unfortunately, often does) we can actually fix them. | 22:17 |
| pabelanger | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/393887/ is particularly easy :) | 22:17 |
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| jeblair | (the fact that it times out now is not likely because it's slow, but rather an error that just manifests as never reaching the stable condition) | 22:18 |
| SpamapS | jeblair: does our test zookeeper make use of tmpfs? That might help. | 22:18 |
| SpamapS | oh that | 22:19 |
| jeblair | SpamapS: good point; i don't think so. | 22:19 |
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| jeblair | SpamapS: oh, but you know what, zk is usually pretty fast on tests in our cloud providers.... | 22:19 |
| SpamapS | yeah | 22:19 |
| SpamapS | With so much RAM | 22:19 |
| SpamapS | I'd expect it to mostly just buffer. Though ZK can be sync-happy | 22:20 |
| SpamapS | because journals | 22:20 |
| jeblair | yeah... maybe our clouds either have battery backed caches or just turn on data-eating. | 22:20 |
| SpamapS | probably former for most. | 22:20 |
| morgan | hah | 22:20 |
| jeblair | and the latter for infra-cloud, iirc... | 22:20 |
| morgan | yeah | 22:20 |
| SpamapS | either way, we could look at io wait if we were concerned | 22:20 |
| morgan | set value eat_data | 22:21 |
| morgan | true | 22:21 |
| SpamapS | eatmydata is a thing you know :) | 22:21 |
| mordred | world's best LD_PRELOAD library | 22:21 |
| jeblair | we may want to collect the zk logs from tests... | 22:21 |
| SpamapS | I like to load it with libhostile and let them fight it out | 22:21 |
| mordred | jeblair: ++ | 22:21 |
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| * fungi smells a new theme show in the making | 22:22 | |
| jeblair | #topic Status updates: Zuul Ansible running | 22:22 |
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| jeblair | my patch series to enable pre and post playbooks is making its way in (i have some random test failures to debug -- see earlier topic :) | 22:22 |
| jeblair | mordred has a change built on that to start securing the insecure playbooks | 22:23 |
| jeblair | #link playbook security https://review.openstack.org/428798 | 22:23 |
| mordred | yes. and then we found a whole new set of ways in which playbooks can be insecure | 22:23 |
| * mordred glares at roles | 22:23 | |
| pabelanger | funtimes | 22:23 |
| mordred | yah | 22:23 |
| jeblair | but also sketched out some solutions for that, yeah? | 22:23 |
| mordred | yah | 22:23 |
| SpamapS | ohmy | 22:23 |
| clarkb | mordred: just reading the commit message on that seems like you'll have to audit and patch after every ansible release? | 22:24 |
| SpamapS | Is this where we ask how this happened and somebody goes <cough>tower</cough> | 22:24 |
| mordred | jeblair: it may be worth mentioning that due to security lockdown, we may also want to develop a stdlib role that knows how to run ansible on the remote host as if it was the local host job content | 22:24 |
| mordred | SpamapS: actually - not really, it's more that the idea of running untrusted ansible code isn't a use case they really focus on | 22:24 |
| SpamapS | Oh, joy, this also means Zuul gets to be partially GPLv3 | 22:25 |
| mordred | yup. this, of course, causes me to have a warm and fuzzy feeling | 22:25 |
| clarkb | mordred: I'd worry about missing things and further complicating the ansible has pushed security update hurry and fix/upgrade | 22:25 |
| pabelanger | is it possible we could have the idea of secure / insecure zuul-launchers? I know that doesn't scale well | 22:25 |
| SpamapS | mordred: would a simpler thing be to just run it in a throw-away container? | 22:25 |
| jeblair | mordred: you mean like push the inventory over and run something? that sounds helpful. | 22:25 |
| mordred | so - yes, I agree with clarkb, although from ansible core we really only need to worry about new action plugins (not very likely) or entirely new types of plugins (also not very common) | 22:26 |
| mordred | we don't have to look at every patch | 22:26 |
| mordred | SpamapS: ALSO looking at using some container tech here - but no, I do not think container == security yet | 22:26 |
| pabelanger | ( I guess now, since our zuul-launchers are in the control plane) | 22:26 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: that's not really the problem here as much as the fact that jobs need to run some secure things and some insecure things. | 22:26 |
| pabelanger | not* | 22:26 |
| pabelanger | jeblair: ya | 22:26 |
| mordred | SpamapS: I think container + careful code can together be better than either one in isolation | 22:27 |
| jeblair | actual defense in depth :) | 22:27 |
| mordred | so specifically looking at giftwrap which allows for construction and execution of unprivileged containers - so that we don't have to escalate zuul-launcher to root before adding in the containment :) | 22:27 |
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| jeblair | mordred: bubble wrap? | 22:27 |
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| mordred | gah. bubblewrap. yes. | 22:28 |
| mordred | https://github.com/projectatomic/bubblewrap | 22:28 |
| mordred | it needs a fairly new kernel though - so the support for it will need to be opt-in for operators I think | 22:28 |
| * mordred needs to write up some thoughts on this for folks | 22:28 | |
| pabelanger | oh, new things to look at | 22:28 |
| mordred | jeblair: and yes to "push the inventory over and run something?" ... jlk was asking about using zuul to test ansible that relies on plugins that we don't allow people to run with | 22:29 |
| pabelanger | mordred: that is a neat idea | 22:29 |
| mordred | jeblair: and that's _totally_ possible by writing a playbook that does a shell call to ansible | 22:29 |
| mordred | but ... you know ... we can likely make that experience a little better :) | 22:29 |
| clarkb | mordred: mostly I don't want to replace one security issue with another via upgrade of ansible by ops that don't understand caveats here | 22:29 |
| mordred | clarkb: yup. it's definitely an area where we need WAY more prose about what's going on for all of us, and then make sure that we're happy with how we're covering it | 22:30 |
| clarkb | if the class of objects that are an issue is small maybe we can do terrible nasty python to intercept all dispatches to them and sanitize appropriately | 22:30 |
| clarkb | rather than having hard coded sanitization for known issues today | 22:31 |
| mordred | yah - so - there are 2 prongs we need to deal with | 22:31 |
| jeblair | clarkb: well, we don't use ansible as a library, so the solution has to be in ansible configuration... | 22:31 |
| mordred | one are ansible in-tree action-plugin based modules - these do execptional things like the copy module | 22:31 |
| mordred | and execute code on purpose on the calling host | 22:31 |
| mordred | but there is a fixed set of them and it's easy to vet those | 22:31 |
| mordred | the _other_ is that roles can ship with plugins (action plugins, filter plugins, etc) that will run python code on the calling machine | 22:32 |
| jeblair | (i'm going to call time on this at 22:35, btw) | 22:32 |
| mordred | in that case, the approach we've discussed so far is to scrub roles when we fetch them for plugin directories (known set of names) | 22:32 |
| mordred | and if a role has a plugin dir with content, just fail hard | 22:32 |
| mordred | so doing those two things AND adding in containment | 22:32 |
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| SpamapS | could also neuter ansible's plugin loading | 22:33 |
| mordred | should hopefully get us fairly decent coverage ... we could also potentially talk to our friends at ansible and request they warn us if they're going ot release new local-execution action plugins | 22:33 |
| mordred | SpamapS: yah - bcoca talked a bit about that | 22:33 |
| clarkb | mordred: right my concern is ansible adds new actionmodule or changes one arbitrarily | 22:33 |
| SpamapS | Just have a plugin that literally overrides the plugin loader with a pass. | 22:33 |
| jeblair | yeah, so we're going to be as general as we can be (eg the plugins in roles), but we don't have a good general way to stop the in-tree plugins atm. | 22:34 |
| mordred | SpamapS: and also mused about hte possibility of adding a neuter plugins option to ansible itself | 22:34 |
| clarkb | mordred: and then next zuul update and now you are vulnerable (and that would be a much larger target if/when people are using zuul with ansible) | 22:34 |
| SpamapS | Or an "splodey splode, no plugins allowed" | 22:34 |
| jeblair | clarkb: yes, i agree with your concern | 22:34 |
| mordred | clarkb: yah - that's one where we're going to need to connect with ansible release managmenet in addition to doing defensive coding on our part | 22:34 |
| clarkb | mordred: having contributed to one of those action modules recently I don't think its terribly hard to change the behavior of them in such ways (as people don't seem to grok how they work very well) | 22:34 |
| mordred | clarkb: definitely a concern | 22:34 |
| fungi | i definitely hadn't thought of that, but i can see it as a possibility | 22:34 |
| jeblair | but we're hoping that's a small load due to the rarity in adding such new modules. | 22:35 |
| SpamapS | clarkb: I share your concern, and think that one has to also wrap it up in a system level protection of some kind. | 22:35 |
| mordred | (but yeah, this is why I think adding container wrapping to the mix will give us buffer too) | 22:35 |
| mordred | yup | 22:35 |
| mordred | SpamapS: ++ | 22:35 |
| * SpamapS will look at bubblewrap | 22:35 | |
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| jeblair | great segue | 22:35 |
| mordred | SpamapS: it needs yakkety on ubuntu, fwiw - needs new kernel | 22:35 |
| mordred | SpamapS: or, needs that to be able to run without sudo stuff | 22:35 |
| jeblair | #topic Progress summary | 22:35 |
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| SpamapS | ahoy | 22:40 |
| SpamapS | sorry I got alt-tabbed and tried to refresh and fell off the earth | 22:40 |
| SpamapS | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/board/41 | 22:40 |
| jeblair | let's come back to this if we have time at the end | 22:40 |
| fungi | flat earth will do that to you | 22:40 |
| SpamapS | Not much to say anyway | 22:40 |
| SpamapS | Progress continues. | 22:40 |
| jeblair | that works out then :) | 22:40 |
| jeblair | #topic PTG prep (jeblair) | 22:40 |
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| * fungi is a fan of progress | 22:40 | |
| jeblair | so we've got a thing coming up soon | 22:41 |
| fungi | like, real soon | 22:41 |
| jeblair | 2 weeks? | 22:41 |
| fungi | right at, yes | 22:41 |
| pabelanger | yay travel | 22:41 |
| SpamapS | crikey | 22:41 |
| SpamapS | so much travel :_P | 22:41 |
| jeblair | i think at this point, we probably have a good idea what's feasible | 22:41 |
| mordred | ++ | 22:42 |
| jeblair | we should hopefully have nodepool at least able to hand out some nodes, even if it still doesn't do a lot of things | 22:42 |
| jeblair | and we should have zuul able to run some jobs, even if it doesn't do a lot of things | 22:42 |
| jeblair | so i think it's well within the realm of possibility that we can set up a v3 nodepool and zuul, and have them run some hello world jobs | 22:43 |
| SpamapS | I'd also like to have all tests re-enabled/refactored/done by the time I fly out Thursday night. | 22:43 |
| fungi | are our current puppet-zuul/puppet-nodepool modules up to the task of deploying what's in the feature branches yet? | 22:43 |
| jeblair | to that end, there are probably some things we can do to prepare for that | 22:43 |
| SpamapS | (while we focus on the pragmatic thing first, I want to make a real push while I have your brains in view) | 22:43 |
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| jeblair | fungi: probably close, but probably not. | 22:43 |
| fungi | just curious if hello world is going to involve a lot of manual deployment | 22:43 |
| jeblair | SpamapS: i would support that as a very worthy secondary goal :) | 22:44 |
| pabelanger | what is left to do for nodepool zookeeper production? I am assuming mordred shim? (CLI commands?) | 22:44 |
| fungi | or if we should try to work out the adjustments to puppet necessary to hello world it as part of the task | 22:44 |
| SpamapS | It's a stretch goal for sure. | 22:44 |
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| jeblair | pabelanger: i don't think we need the shim for this | 22:44 |
| pabelanger | ack | 22:44 |
| jeblair | (the shim is for zuul v2 -> nodepool v3) | 22:45 |
| pabelanger | got it | 22:45 |
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| Shrews | pabelanger: actual node launches (not just record entries in ZK) needs to be completed | 22:45 |
| fungi | basically set up demo environment by hand and taking notes, vs deploying demo env using (patched) puppet modules so we can more directly translate that to the chnages we'll need to make | 22:45 |
| pabelanger | Shrews: thanks for the info | 22:45 |
| jeblair | (fortunately, there's a body of code that does launches, so we're not starting from zero) | 22:45 |
| Shrews | right | 22:46 |
| jeblair | fungi: we may well end up doing some manual deployment, but otoh, maybe in the intervening 2 weeks, we could do some puppet work and have at least some of that codified | 22:46 |
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| jeblair | let's start an etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/pike-ptg-zuul | 22:47 |
| fungi | jeblair: thanks, just wondering if anyone has a feel for where we can strike that balance of effort vs expediency | 22:47 |
| pabelanger | we didn't need to change puppet-nodepool too much for zookeeper things first time. But agree, we should try to land patches at the same time | 22:47 |
| fungi | i do want to make sure we can have something viable we can at least feel good about by the end of tuesday, so if that means config management changes get mostly punted to later i'm cool with that | 22:48 |
| fungi | would be awesome to say "zuul v3 ran a job" | 22:48 |
| mordred | ++ | 22:48 |
| jeblair | yep | 22:49 |
| pabelanger | jeblair: the plan is to have nl01.o.o eventually? (nodepool-launcher) | 22:49 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: sounds reasonable | 22:49 |
| Shrews | maybe we can begin making notes for any documentation that may need written | 22:49 |
| pabelanger | k | 22:49 |
| mordred | Shrews: ++ | 22:49 |
| jeblair | okay, take a look at that etherpad and let me know if there is anything else we should prep beforehand to increase our chances of success | 22:50 |
| jeblair | obviously the first two are very important | 22:50 |
| jeblair | the next few about deployment and setting up a server are things that would be really good to do ahead of time so we don't spend 2 days watching someone boot a server | 22:51 |
| pabelanger | ++ | 22:51 |
| jeblair | i'd love it if someone would volunteer to take the lead on prepping a platform for us to work from at the ptg | 22:51 |
| pabelanger | I can start doing some prep tomorrow for that | 22:51 |
| jeblair | i think pabelanger just volunteered for that :) thanks | 22:51 |
| fungi | "platform" meaning server instances? | 22:51 |
| jeblair | yeah | 22:52 |
| fungi | oh, and i guess a tenant/namespace/whatever for the test nodes | 22:52 |
| jeblair | so, new servers so that we don't touch any of the current system | 22:52 |
| pabelanger | ++ | 22:52 |
| jeblair | fungi: i think at our scale, we can just steal some quota from our current nodepool tenants | 22:52 |
| jeblair | (maybe bump the production quota down a little bit on one of them?) | 22:53 |
| fungi | wfm. we do have unique identifiers implemented for nodepool's alien cleanup instance metadata right? | 22:53 |
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| fungi | i know we discussed having that so two could coexist on the same tenant was preferred but can't remember if it ever got implemented | 22:53 |
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| clarkb | fungi: ya nodepool should only delete leaks that it booted | 22:54 |
| clarkb | (and if it doesn't we should fix that too) | 22:54 |
| fungi | just want to make sure bringing up a demon nodepool pointed at one of our production tenants won't start sniping the production nodepool nodes | 22:54 |
| jeblair | let's check on that | 22:54 |
| Shrews | yep. won't delete an image unless the DIB is local | 22:54 |
| fungi | s/demon/demo/ (fun typo though) | 22:54 |
| jeblair | fungi: oh, that probably won't happen because we probably won't have cleanup in v3 implemented | 22:54 |
| jeblair | fungi: i think the other direction is a possibility | 22:55 |
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| fungi | ah, so worst case nodepool v0.x production might blow away our demon nodes before they run anything | 22:55 |
| clarkb | its certainly the intent of the laek cleanup code to only delete things that it once booted and knew about | 22:55 |
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| fungi | i thought we had talked about adding a config option where you could put a unique string for each nodepool scheduler so it could differentiate its own node metadata from someone else's | 22:56 |
| jeblair | the last item i put on the list is something i'll volunteer for -- to write up what what we all need to know about the current and future state of both pieces of software in order to productively work on a hello-world job at the ptg | 22:56 |
| Shrews | grr, yeah nodes, not images. doubtful cleanup will be implemented by then | 22:56 |
| fungi | wow, i keep typing demon instead of demo. what is up with that finger memory? | 22:56 |
| Shrews | fungi: i'm living proof brains break after 5pm | 22:57 |
| jeblair | mordred: it would probably be good if we have a handle on some of the security stuff by then, otherwise we may not be able to publish logs for our hello world job | 22:57 |
| mordred | jeblair: ++ | 22:57 |
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| fungi | "we ran a job, but its logs were too insecure to fit in this margin" | 22:57 |
| jeblair | basically | 22:57 |
| jeblair | i put some names on the etherpad, if you would like names added or removed, let me know | 22:58 |
| jeblair | also, if you think of anything else we need to do before then so we're not sitting on our thumbs at the ptg, add it / let me know | 22:58 |
| jeblair | fungi: think this is probably worth a mention at the infra meeting tomorrow? | 22:59 |
| fungi | i think it's definitely worth mentioning, yes | 22:59 |
| jeblair | #link actions to prepare for pike ptg https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/pike-ptg-zuul | 22:59 |
| jeblair | will do | 22:59 |
| fungi | given the timing, we should spend a good chunk of tomorrow on ptg topics | 22:59 |
| fungi | thanks! | 23:00 |
| jeblair | thanks everyone! | 23:00 |
| jeblair | #endmeeting | 23:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 6 23:00:12 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2017/zuul.2017-02-06-22.03.html | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2017/zuul.2017-02-06-22.03.txt | 23:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2017/zuul.2017-02-06-22.03.log.html | 23:00 |
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