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priteau#startmeeting blazar09:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Dec  6 09:00:19 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is priteau. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.09:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.09:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: blazar)"09:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'blazar'09:00
priteauGreetings everyone09:00
GeraldKHi09:00
masahitohi09:00
priteauWelcome to our first Blazar meeting in this new series09:00
hiro-kobayashiHi09:00
bertysHello09:00
priteau#chair masahito hiro-kobayashi09:00
openstackCurrent chairs: hiro-kobayashi masahito priteau09:00
bauzas\o09:00
priteau#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Blazar#Agenda_for_December_6_201609:01
priteauThis is the agenda for today09:01
priteau#topic Roll call and quick introduction of participants09:01
*** openstack changes topic to "Roll call and quick introduction of participants (Meeting topic: blazar)"09:01
priteauBecause this is the first meeting and the community is still forming, I thought we could introduce each other09:02
masahitonice idea09:02
priteauBut quickly (one line) to give time for technical discussion09:02
priteauI'll go ahead09:02
priteauI am Pierre Riteau, working at University of Chicago on Chameleon (testbed for CS research). We have been using Blazar in production since summer 2015 and added a bunch of bug fixes / new features09:03
priteauWho else is here?09:04
GeraldK#info Gerald Kunzmann from DOCOMO Eurolabs in Munich, Germany. Committer in OPNFV Promise project. Interested in Blazar as it is a good candidate to address the requirements for resource reservation.09:04
hiro-kobayashiI'm Hiroaki Kobayashi from NTT. I'm a contributor of OPNFV Promise project which requires resource reservation. I started to improve Blazar since last month.09:04
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toshi_I'm Toshiyuki Moriya for NTT, co-worker of masa and hiro-kobayashi. Tnx for ur arrangement. It's my first time to join Openstack IRC.09:05
masahitoI'm Masahito Muroi, cloud architect in NTT and a member of core team of OpenStack Congress project. Now I'm looking at blazar project as our NFV infrastracure manangement.09:05
bertysI am Bertrand Souville from DOCOMO Euro-Labs in Munich. Contributor of OPNFV Promise project.09:05
bauzasSylvain Bauza from Red Hat, worked in a former life as a Blazar core and incepted the project, now fully dedicated to Nova as a nova-core09:05
jankio/09:06
jankiI am Janki from RedHat. I contribute to Tacker09:06
priteautoshi_: I don't think we've met, good to see more people involved!09:06
priteauHello janki09:07
masahitohi janki09:07
jankipriteau, masahito hey09:07
priteaujanki: Is Tacker part of OPNFV too?09:07
jankipriteau, yes. NFV is based on ETSI MANO architecture09:08
jankiit falls under openstack project though09:08
masahitojanki: IIRC, Tacker is one of openstack project.09:08
priteauExcellent. Anyone else?09:08
jankimasahito, yes. it is openstack project but is based on ETSI MANO architecuture and works closely with that community too09:09
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masahitojanki: got it. thanks :-)09:09
priteauThere is also Ryota Mibu from NEC who couldn't join us today because he is on a trip to the US09:09
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priteauUsually Japan-based if I understand correctly09:10
priteauHe should be able to join us at next meetings09:10
masahitopriteau: yes09:10
priteauAll right, if that's all for introductions let's move to the serious part09:10
priteau#topic Blazar status09:11
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priteau#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Blazar_status_201609:11
priteauI created this Etherpad and added my own list of known issues to it. Others have been contributing as well09:11
priteauThe goal is to develop a plan for getting Blazar back into a good state09:12
masahitoI think there's a good place to discuss goal of Ocata.09:13
priteauYes we need to agree on a reasonable goal for Ocata09:14
priteauMy opinion is that it would be good for Ocata to have a Blazar that is compatible with the release and that we can tag with a version for people to use09:16
jankilets list the items and start owning09:16
jankithat will speed up the work09:16
bauzasdo folks know the Blazar API ?09:16
masahitopriteau: agreed.09:17
bauzasbecause we have 2 ways of reserving resources, and one should probably be deprecated IMHO09:17
priteaubauzas: I am familiar with v1, not so much with v209:17
masahitobauzas: it's meaning V1 API and V2 API?09:17
hiro-kobayashibauzas: VM reservation should be deprecated, right?09:17
bauzashiro-kobayashi: yup09:17
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priteaubauzas: Do you know if v2 is still relevant?09:18
bauzasI think we honestly made a wrong assumption on what Blazar should cover09:18
bauzaspriteau: REST API v2 is the current API, and I don't see any problems using it09:18
bauzaspriteau: v1 could even probably be deprecated and eventually removed09:19
priteauWe use v1 in Chameleon. I will have to double-check, but I thought v2 was never fully merged09:19
bauzaspriteau: there could be some features missing, maybe09:20
bauzasthat's old memories to me09:20
masahitoyeah. I thought it's still under implementing when I see the codes09:20
priteau#action Review state of API versions: v1 vs v209:20
bauzashere, I just want to express that I'd love to see people tech refreshing Blazar and probably cutting things they consider no longer valuable09:20
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bauzasif not, you'd have tech debt to honor09:21
priteauI would be OK with deprecating virtual instance reservation09:22
masahitoanyway, my opinion is thinking what we need in either v1 or v2 in the future.09:22
priteauand focusing on physical host reservation for now09:22
bauzasmasahito: that's a reasonable point09:22
bauzashere, I think you need a couple of usecases to express and see what's missing for those09:23
priteaumasahito: We should have only one API, otherwise it's going to be a pain to maintain09:23
hiro-kobayashipriteau: Perhaps OPNFV Promise may require VM reservation09:23
masahitoFrom Promise side, we need instance reservation feature in the future.09:23
hiro-kobayashipriteau: I agree that we focus the host reservation first09:24
bauzasFWIW, we wrote a few usecases here https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Blazar/Use_Cases09:24
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hiro-kobayashiOPNFV Promise also have usecases here #link http://artifacts.opnfv.org/promise/colorado/3.0/docs/requirements/index.html#document-usecase09:26
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masahitolooks nice. but we could add real-usecase to make it more concrete, discuss it and then decide it. How do you think?09:27
masahitooh. for previous blazar usecase09:28
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priteauSo for our first new release, we will choose use cases that we can support and ensure that they are working09:29
bauzas++09:30
masahito+109:30
hiro-kobayashi+109:30
priteauObviously I would like to see compute host reservation09:30
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bauzasI think the best approach is to identify what's functional now as short-term and release09:30
priteauI think it can be well supported (it already is working quite well in the current implementation)09:30
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priteauand then once we have this solid release, we can work on more long term features09:30
masahitoI don't push the instance reservation is complete by O release as this cycle is and short sprint.09:31
priteaureservations of non-compute objects (like volumes or Heat stacks) will likely involve working with other OpenStack groups and might take a long time to be supported09:32
hiro-kobayashipriteau, masahito: I agree because VM reservation may need long time to be fixed09:32
priteau#agreed Focus on supported use-case for the first release: compute host reservation09:32
masahitowe should make current implementation stable for short term goal first.09:32
bauzasmasahito: Blazar is not part of the released-managed projects so you don't need to feel tied to the OpenStack cycle for the moment09:33
bauzaswhat you folks need to identify is a target date and a target state, iterate over that, and cut the release09:33
masahitobauzas: right, but if we had, we can easy to focus.09:33
bauzasthen, you could see the benefits of trying to align with the general cadence09:34
priteauI don't think we would follow the release cycle as in freeze, RCs, etc.09:34
GeraldKI would see bringing Blazar to the big tent as another priority for near to mid term09:34
priteaubut it would be nice to say "there's the commit that we know works with ocata", and tag it so we can use it09:34
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bauzasGeraldK: that's not mutually exclusive09:35
bauzasGeraldK: you can ask for being in the Big Tent without following the general release cadence09:35
masahitoI mean following major release, not FF and so on09:35
GeraldKbauzas: okay, got it.09:35
priteauGeraldK: agreed. Demonstrating that we have a working system that follows OpenStack conventions is a big part of it09:35
priteauso probably goal for after our next release09:36
priteauOK, we're already more than half way through the meeting, I would like to go over the Etherpad list09:36
priteaufirst items are related to using Blazar with DevStack09:37
priteauthis is almost fixed now, just one change in review09:37
priteau#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/405630/09:37
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priteauI am hoping it can be merged this week09:38
priteauNext we have actually making it work :-)09:39
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masahito:-)09:39
priteau#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/398716/ Update the Blazar Nova filter to the new API since it causes errors in nova-scheduler09:40
priteauthis was proposed by hiro-kobayashi and is under review09:40
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bauzasI made a note on the etherpad about ^09:40
priteauas far as I know this is the only big problem with making the compute host reservation work09:40
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bauzasoops09:41
bauzaswrong09:41
bauzasnevermind my previous comment, I thought it was on different change09:41
priteaubauzas: that's something else, that's the compute host scheduler filter09:41
bauzasand yeah, the Nova scheduler filter interface changed a lot09:41
bauzasI can review that change09:42
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bauzasas I also made the change for the nova side09:42
hiro-kobayashito merge the patch, the patch #link  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/406009/ should be merged09:42
hiro-kobayashibauzas: Thank you very much!09:42
priteauhiro-kobayashi pushed a new patch set a few hours ago, I haven't reviewed yet but the previous versions were looking good09:42
priteauhiro-kobayashi: how do 406009 and 398716 depend on each other? I thought they were completely independent?09:43
bauzaspriteau: 398716 got a Jenkins -109:43
priteauor is it for fixing the unit tests?09:43
priteauright09:44
hiro-kobayashi398716 test fails because of other part09:44
hiro-kobayashiand 406009 fixes the part09:44
bauzashiro-kobayashi: could you maybe rebase 398716 on top of 406009 ?09:44
bauzasso we could have a pile of reviews09:45
hiro-kobayashibut 406009 is just a workaround and VM reservation still doesn't work09:45
priteau#action bauzas to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/398716/09:45
hiro-kobayashibauzas: OK I'll do that09:45
priteau#action hiro-kobayashi to rebase 398716 on top of 40600909:45
priteauwhat would be the procedure for deprecating VM reservation?09:46
bauzasand yeah, I assume VM reservation can't work with Nova API v2.109:46
hiro-kobayashiTo enable the VM reservation, API extensions should be merged to Nova tree09:47
bauzaspriteau: as we don't have microversions in place, I'd suggest you to stabilize Blazar, raise a warning when people are using the VM reservation plugin, tag the release and then drop the code09:47
bauzashiro-kobayashi: as I said in the etherpad, API extensions are not functional with Nova v2.109:47
priteaubauzas: that sounds like a good approach09:47
bauzashiro-kobayashi: and nova v2.1 is the default API version since 2 releases09:48
bauzasbut people could still be using an old Nova release with Blazar, that really depends on how you plan to integrate with the other projects09:48
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bauzasif you say that you want to support only N releases of nova for Blazar, then you can just drop the code now09:49
priteauDo we have evidence of anyone using VM reservation?09:50
priteauIf it needs to come back in a different form later, it may be easier to drop it now09:50
priteauWhat do you think hiro-kobayashi?09:51
masahitoWe, me and hiro-kobayashi, are doing gap analysis between current VM reservation and Promise requirements.09:52
priteauI am OK with keeping the code as long as it doesn't slow us down too much09:52
masahitoif possible, we want to keep the code in the repo.09:52
masahitopriteau: thanks.09:53
masahitowe need the some reference.09:53
priteauAre you OK with following bauzas approach for now? "stabilize Blazar, raise a warning when people are using the VM reservation plugin, tag the release"09:53
priteauand post-release we decide what happens with the code09:53
masahito+109:53
hiro-kobayashi+109:53
janki+109:54
bauzasat least some very clear message that says that Blazar can't work with Nova /v2.1 endpoint if you wanna use VM reservation09:54
priteau#agreed VM reservation plugin: raise a warning when people are using it but keep the code for now. Revisit after our next release09:54
priteau#info at least some very clear message that says that Blazar can't work with Nova /v2.1 endpoint if you wanna use VM reservation09:54
priteauOK, only 5 minutes left so let's continue09:55
priteautwo big items next on the list: convert to Oslo and fix Tempest09:55
masahitoI'm working on fixing tempest test.09:55
priteauWe are lucky to have other members of OpenStack helping out with oslo because it is a goal for O to get rid of all incubator code09:56
masahitoI guess I could push the patch by this weekend.09:56
priteauSo please review their changes09:56
priteauI am working on a patch to use oslo.db09:56
priteauI hope to finish it this weeek09:56
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priteaumasahito: great news09:56
priteauI think we know what we're doing on these points09:57
priteauwe have discussed the Nova plugin already09:57
priteaumigrate namespace climate to blazar09:57
priteauit would be good to finish before the release, but maybe after we get all the important fixes in?09:58
priteauto avoid all kind of merge conflicts09:58
masahitoright.09:58
hiro-kobayashi+109:59
masahitodon't need to be hurry09:59
priteauOK09:59
priteauFinally status of v1 API vs v2, I can take as action item to review this09:59
priteauAnd I will share my findings at the next meeting09:59
hiro-kobayashipriteau: thanks!10:00
masahitogreat10:00
priteauWe haven't had time to go over future improvements and new features10:00
priteaufor next meeting's agenda?10:01
GeraldK+110:01
masahito+110:01
hiro-kobayashi+110:01
priteauLet's focus on getting patches merged for this week10:01
hiro-kobayashiOK10:01
GeraldKlet's also assign people to Ocata prio tasks in next week meeting10:02
priteauGeraldK: I will create an agenda for next meeting, feel free to edit it10:02
priteauThanks everyone for joining us today!10:02
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EmilienM#startmeeting tripleo14:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Dec  6 14:00:47 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is EmilienM. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'tripleo'14:00
EmilienMhello folks!14:00
bandinio/14:00
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EmilienM#topic agenda14:01
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EmilienM* one off agenda items14:01
EmilienM* bugs14:01
EmilienM* Projects releases or stable backports14:01
EmilienM* CI14:01
EmilienM* Specs14:01
EmilienM* open discussion14:01
EmilienM* review past actions items14:01
EmilienMfeel free to add off items https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-meeting-items14:02
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mwhahahao/14:02
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EmilienMlet's start!14:02
EmilienM#topic review past actions items14:02
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EmilienMjpich to propose a policy for TripleO Spec Reviews: DONE with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/406264/14:03
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EmilienMjpich: thx a lot for ^14:03
EmilienMnow we need to review it :)14:03
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EmilienM#action team to review tripleo spec reviews policy https://review.openstack.org/#/c/406264/14:03
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jpichLooking forward to the feedback (though it's mainly a straight up migration from the wiki)14:04
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EmilienM++ excellent. Maybe we can approve this patch if it's a copy/paste from wiki, and eventually make changes through Gerrit?14:04
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EmilienM(in separated patches)14:04
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jpichEmilienM: Sure, I can break it down into two patches (I indicated the one bit I added to the commit message)14:05
mariosjpich: /me quickly scanning, ws about to compliment you on how well it was written didn't realise it was from the wiki anyway will look closer14:05
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beaglesagreed14:05
mariosjpich: but EmilienM +1 land and iterate14:05
EmilienMjpich: that would be great, it makes things easier to review14:05
EmilienMmarios: lol :D you can still compliment her to work on it :D14:05
jpichOk, I'll workflow -1 and break it down during the week14:05
EmilienMexcellent14:05
mariosEmilienM: heh :)14:05
EmilienM#action jpich to breakdown https://review.openstack.org/#/c/406264/14:06
EmilienMmatbu to build upgrade jobs for N to O14:06
EmilienMmatbu lets use oooq in tripleo-ci for periodics M to N jobs14:06
EmilienMsshnaidm, matbu: so I saw the upgrade job is making progress. Can you give updates maybe?14:06
matbuEmilienM: yep the N to O is here: https://review.openstack.org/40483114:06
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EmilienMmatbu: excellent. What are our current blockers?14:07
matbuEmilienM: i have adressed shardy's comments (ie deploy a O undercloud and just get newton OC images)14:07
matbuEmilienM: the goal is to not upgrade the undercloud in this job14:08
EmilienMsounds good to me14:08
EmilienMand a good first iteration14:08
EmilienMwe'll also save runtime14:08
mariosmatbu: just the templates?14:08
EmilienMmatbu: let us know if you hit any problem / blocker, as usual :)14:09
matbuyep, so i'm trying to make this solution work14:09
EmilienMmatbu: and some progress on periodic jobs? or not yet?14:09
matbuEmilienM: yep sure, i tried something, idk if it's the right way to do it14:09
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matbuEmilienM: not yet, but i'm afraid we will also hit the timeout14:09
matbuEmilienM: since it's executed on the upstream infra , right ?14:10
EmilienMmatbu: right. I think N to O is currently high prio14:10
matbuEmilienM: yep true14:10
matbumarios: just the templates ?14:10
EmilienMmatbu: it's executed on rh1, ovb iirc14:10
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mariosmatbu: i mean if we aren't upgrading the undercloud then what templates are you using for the overcloud upgrade14:10
mariosmatbu: are you just updating the tripleo-heat-templates but not upgrading the rest of the undercloud?14:11
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mariosmatbu: anyway, i haven't looked at the n..o review you have out yet /me looking now and will look closer will ask you on irc later/scrum etc14:11
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EmilienMI think that's the idea14:11
EmilienMlet's move to our topics14:11
EmilienM#topic one off agenda items14:12
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matbumarios: it would be like a mixed deploy14:12
EmilienMbeagles: you want to start?14:12
EmilienM(beagles) any objections to cleaning up (abandoning) old reviews, eg:https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/tripleo-heat-templates+status:open+age:6mon14:12
matbumarios: start with the Ocata undercloud and Newton overcloud and then upgrade the newton overcloud to ocata14:12
beaglesEmilienM, sure.. minor thing, lots of very old reviews kicking around14:12
EmilienMI think it's a good idea and I also think we should document in TripleO policies14:12
bandiniagreed14:12
EmilienMbeagles: we have the same problem in Puppet modules14:12
EmilienMand 6 months looks fair14:13
mariosmatbu: i see so you already have the templates thanks it makes sense14:13
mariosmatbu: i mean you start with the newer already upgraded undercloud, so you don't need to upgrade as part of the job14:13
beaglesEmilienM, ok cool. I'll swing through, starting from oldest14:13
mariosmatbu: nice14:13
EmilienMbeagles: would you also volunteer to document it in a policy?14:13
mariosbeagles: +1 thanks i have a couple in there14:13
beaglesEmilienM, sure14:13
bandinibeagles: +114:13
mariosbeagles: really no biggie/no brainer if someone really wants to they can just restore it14:14
marios!14:14
beaglesyup14:14
EmilienMmarios, matbu: thanks for this disussion, it's indeed more clear to me now :)14:14
EmilienMbeagles: thanks!14:14
EmilienM#action beagles to abandon old reviews and propose a policy to document it14:15
EmilienM(bandini) Do we have any ETA on when Centos 7.3 will be released and when we will switch to it? I need a specific pcs feature that is 7.3 only in my composable HA work14:15
EmilienMbandini: I think that's a question for centos-devel channel14:15
EmilienMhave we asked there?14:15
bandiniyep :) Does anyone here know or do I need to poke the centos folks?14:15
EmilienMI use to jump on #centos-devel (freenode)14:15
bandinino, not yet. if came up last night and I thought maybe folks here know already14:15
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trownbandini: it is already available via the CR repo, so soon?14:16
bandinihow much time do we think we need to switch to it for CI, once it is released?14:16
EmilienMI was told "this week" last time I checked14:16
snecklifterbandini: if it helps, I've been testing with virt-customize and CentOS-CR repo14:16
EmilienMbut it might have be delayed14:16
bandinisnecklifter: yeah that is what I am doing, but am wondering about the various deadlines14:16
bandinithanks *. I will check in centos-devel14:16
EmilienMtrown: have we tried tripleo with centos 7.3 already somewhere?14:17
snecklifterI think they have a standard response. "When its done".14:17
* EmilienM is prepared to the worst :)14:17
trownEmilienM: not in RDO yet14:17
EmilienMtrown: mhh, ok14:17
EmilienMI'm taking an action here14:17
snecklifterI am using it with Newton now14:17
bandiniyeah it would also be nice to have 7.3 because it reduces the gap with downstream14:17
EmilienM#action EmilienM to test tripleo with centos7.3 and see how it goes14:17
EmilienMsnecklifter: and how does it work?14:18
EmilienMwould we have some blockers/workarounds?14:18
snecklifterseems ok except I need later version of qemu-kvm-common-ev14:18
snecklifterpassing tempest in the same way as Mitaka14:18
EmilienMoh I've heard about that. RDO plans to update it, if not already but it would be for Ocata only.14:18
snecklifterhttps://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=137161714:18
openstackbugzilla.redhat.com bug 1371617 in libvirt "Libvirt passes unsupported "arat" flag to QEMU when using host-model" [High,Assigned] - Assigned to jdenemar14:18
EmilienMsnecklifter: we can still ask on #rdo about this package. I remember folks mentionning it recently14:19
snecklifter^^^ thats the problem so will prob need to be updated for all branches14:19
snecklifterEmilienM: ack, was waiting for dmsimard14:19
EmilienMcool14:19
EmilienMare we good with off items?14:19
bandiniyep I am good thanks14:19
EmilienMok let's continue14:19
EmilienM#topic bugs14:19
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EmilienMocata-2 : 2 New, 15 Confirmed, 53 Triaged, 32 In Progress14:20
EmilienMI think a lot of bugs will move to ocata-314:20
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EmilienMI'm not aware about any critical bug we have right now in CI, but I might have missed something. Please raise any critical bug we should take care of14:21
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EmilienMsshnaidm: we even got a packaging promotion. What happenned ? :)14:21
EmilienM#link https://launchpad.net/tripleo/+milestone/ocata-214:21
EmilienManything else about bugs?14:23
EmilienM#topic Projects releases or stable backports14:23
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EmilienMso we'll cut ocata-2 next week14:23
sshnaidmEmilienM, nothing special :)14:23
EmilienMplease let me know if you want me to wait for a patch to land before we cut ocata-214:24
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EmilienMotherwise we'll proceed to the release by next Thursday14:24
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EmilienMI also think it will be a good time to release a new Newton version, we backported a bunch of things lately14:25
EmilienMsame thing, let me know if some patches need to land before14:25
EmilienMany question about release management?14:25
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EmilienM#topic CI14:25
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beaglesis it wortwhile sending a reminder/notice email re: backports to the mailing list14:25
jpichThey seem easily forgotten so, can't hurt!14:26
beaglesI guess that might be part of the release protocol anyways ...14:26
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beaglesI forget ;)14:26
EmilienMbefore I forget, dprince added a new link on http://tripleo.org/ for http://status-tripleoci.rhcloud.com/14:26
EmilienMbookmark this link ^ :)14:26
EmilienMbeagles: definitly14:27
EmilienM#action EmilienM to send update on ML about releases ocata-2 and newton14:27
EmilienMbeagles: thx :)14:27
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beaglesthat's a cool page14:27
EmilienMwe still have some patches from slagle about 3-nodes testing14:28
EmilienMhttps://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack-infra/tripleo-ci+branch:master+topic:3-node14:28
EmilienMif folks could review it ^14:28
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EmilienMi also sent an update on ML about scenarios status14:30
* EmilienM is looking for URL14:30
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EmilienMok I can't find it now14:31
EmilienMbut it's on ML :)14:31
EmilienM[openstack-dev] [tripleo] CI scenarios design - how to add more services14:31
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EmilienMfeel free to reach out if you want to contribute to scenarios14:31
EmilienMdo we have anything else about CI this week?14:32
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jpichhttp://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-December/108459.html14:32
EmilienMmatbu, weshay_: quick question, any progress on container CI job this week? I saw a patch in OOOQ that was waiting to be reviewed14:32
EmilienMjpich: thx :)14:32
EmilienMsome patches in quickstart need to be reviewed for container CI work14:33
EmilienMhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/393348/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/400986/ are some of them14:33
EmilienMand https://review.openstack.org/#/c/400983/14:33
EmilienManything else on CI this week?14:34
hrybackiEmilienM: weshay_ is pto this week -- last update I heard from him was in the email sent out to openstack-dev (to which you responded)14:34
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EmilienMhrybacki: I think imain did14:35
EmilienMok let's move forward14:35
EmilienM#topic Specs14:35
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EmilienM#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/tripleo-specs+status:open14:35
EmilienMreminder: specs will be frozen by next week14:35
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EmilienMI've been told the one with Tendrl will be postponed to Pike, can you confirm gfidente ?14:36
matbuEmilienM: i have no info about that14:36
gfidenteEmilienM, yes I think that is fine14:36
EmilienM#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/387631/14:36
EmilienMmatbu: np14:37
gfidenteEmilienM, I will leave a comment there14:37
EmilienMif there is any spec at risk and you think we should land it, please also let us know14:37
EmilienMgfidente: excellent14:37
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EmilienMonce we've reached ocata-2, I'll -2 ocata specs and ask folks to move them to the pike directory (that we need to create first)14:38
gfidenteyeah I just commented thatr14:39
gfidentethanks14:39
EmilienMany feedback / question about specs?14:39
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EmilienMok, next & last topic:14:40
EmilienM#topic open discussion14:40
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EmilienMfeel free to ask any question or give any feedback, it's the right time :)14:40
jpichFYI, I just updated the previously mentioned policy on spec reviews: the straight-up migration from the wiki is still at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/406264/ and the new bits are now at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/407533/14:40
EmilienMjpich: merged!14:41
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EmilienManything else for this week?14:42
jpichEmilienM: Cool! I'll drop a note to the list about it once it's done merging14:42
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EmilienMcool14:42
EmilienMI'll let the meeting open for one more minute if you want to add something14:42
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EmilienMthanks folks14:44
EmilienMhave a good week14:44
EmilienM#endmeeting14:44
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openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2016/tripleo.2016-12-06-14.00.html14:44
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jpichThanks14:44
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bandinithanks14:45
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gfidentethanks EmilienM14:47
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tmorin#startmeeting bgpvpn15:10
openstackMeeting started Tue Dec  6 15:10:33 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is tmorin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:10
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:10
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tmorinhi everyone15:10
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'bgpvpn'15:10
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tmorinhi bfernando, bobmel, doude, eon`, lewo, matrohon, pcarver15:11
pcarverhi15:11
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bfernandohello15:11
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tmorinlet's see who may attend today...15:12
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tmorinhi :)15:13
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matrohonhi15:14
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tmorinlet's see what we can discuss today15:15
tmorinwhat I have in mind:15:15
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tmorin* status on tempest testing15:15
tmorin* stadium things15:16
tmorin* driver status15:16
tmorinanything else ?15:16
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tmorinok let's start15:17
tmorin#topic tempest testing15:17
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tmorinthe new tempest scenario base test has just merged15:18
tmorinvery nice work by bobmel15:18
tmorinmany thanks to him15:18
tmorinit's really a good thing to have scenario coverage in our check/gate pipeline15:18
bobmelThanks! And hi all!15:18
bobmelSorry for being late15:18
tmorinhi bobmel :)15:18
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tmorinnp15:18
tmorinwhat the test does is setup two VMs in two networks associated to the same BGPVPN, and confirm that one can ping the other15:19
tmorinthis exercises a large part of the neutron-agent-bagpipe-ovs stack15:19
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tmorinexercising more would involved setting up a multinode test, or doing things the fullstack way15:20
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tmorinso we now have a very good starting point to enrich the scenario test15:20
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tmorinit should be pretty easy to add extra tests (eg. Router associations,   doing the associatio before or after the VMs are up, etc.)15:21
tmorincomments ?15:21
bobmelthe things you pointed out seems like good next steps to gradually move towards test-wise15:21
tmorinyes, adding more tests will be welcome15:22
tmorinand we can think about how to do a multinode test ; that will involve deploying a BGP route reflector in a devstack node15:22
tmorinnothing that can't be done, but not trivial either15:22
tmorin#topic stadium things:  API ref and APi definition + moving OSC client15:24
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tmorinwe have a few things to do15:24
matrohoncan't we use "full mesh" with two bagpipe bgp speakers?15:25
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matrohonto avoid deploying a RR15:25
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tmorin#undo15:25
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tmorinmatrohon: we could have bagpipe with two nodes with the fake/lightweight/limited RR bundled with bagpipe15:25
tmorinbut not more than two15:25
matrohonwell, that would be nice enough to me :)15:26
bobmelis that a limitation of bagpipe?15:26
tmorinbagpipe's BGP implementation is "connect-only", can't listen on BGP socket at this point15:26
tmorinbobmel: yes15:26
bobmelOk15:26
tmorinwell, neutron has scripts to compile/start a fresh OVS from git,  so running quagga or gobgp is certainly in the range of feasible things15:27
tmorinbut in the meantime, we could have a two node multinode test, one controller+compute node and one compute-only node15:28
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tmorinnext topic ?15:29
matrohonyep thanks15:29
tmorin#topic stadium things:  API ref and APi definition + moving OSC client15:29
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tmorinpcarver, you have been pursuing the API work15:29
tmorinhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/390196/15:29
tmorinanything you want to comment on pcarver ?15:29
tmorinI'd say the work is mostly done15:30
pcarverI will push another update that adds get_sub_attribute_map but I also posted a comment to Armando's "example" review to see what he says.15:30
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pcarverhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/407308/2/neutron_lib/api/definitions/_dummy.py@6215:30
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tmorinlink ?15:30
tmorinthanks15:30
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pcarverIf he decides to give an example that's different, I'll look at what he proposes15:31
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tmorinok15:32
tmorinin your API change, I think there are still places with "uuid" instead of the base "string" JSON type15:32
pcarverI thought I got them all, but I'll look again15:32
tmorinI just commented inline15:33
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tmorinI think you can add the subresource definition and accessor, and remove the action map, without waiting for armando's comment on the dummy/example definition15:34
pcarverok15:34
tmorinthen there is the move of OSC client from networking-bgpvpn to python-neutronclient15:35
tmorindoude, any update on this ?15:35
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tmorinah, maybe doude isn't here today15:36
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tmorinchange https://review.openstack.org/#/c/407271/ in under review and describes how neutron stadium project should push osc client extensions in python-neutronclient15:37
tmorinok, something to follow up with doude next meeting ...15:38
tmorinnext topic ?...15:38
tmorin#topic driver status15:38
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tmorina brief update on bagpipe driver15:39
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tmorinour CI jobs and tempest stuff is now in good order to test bgpvpn with bagpipe driver in a much better way15:40
tmorinlast week we run a few tests more in-depth than usual that lead us to find two bugs in bagpipe driver and one in OVS MPLS implementation15:40
tmorinthese are good example of test we can add to the test suite15:41
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tmorinhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/bgpvpn/+bug/1646526  => will require work on neutron/agent extension framework side, but not easy to test15:42
openstackLaunchpad bug 1646526 in networking-bgpvpn "bgpvpn functionality lost on openvswitch restart" [Medium,New]15:42
tmorinhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/networking-bagpipe/+bug/1644151 => this one is typically something that a scenario test can cover15:42
openstackLaunchpad bug 1644151 in BaGPipe "removal of a VM disconnects other VMs on same Network" [Undecided,Fix released]15:42
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bobmelFor the current vendor drivers, anyone done anything on 3rd party CI?15:44
tmorinlink to the discussion on the ovs bug: https://mail.openvswitch.org/pipermail/ovs-dev/2016-December/325567.html15:44
tmorinbobmel: we have briefly discussed this in Barcelona, but without coming to a conclusion15:44
bobmelok15:44
tmorinI don't know which vendor would be interested to add this15:44
tmorintimirnich, doude ?15:45
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tmorinthe tempest suite will be run as part of the OPNFV tests (against ODL, an later against bagpipe)15:45
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tmorinbut this is not third-party CI integrated in Openstack Gerrit/Zuul tools15:45
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bobmelIf we implement a driver for some of our platforms we might have an interest in the 3rd party ci aspects. Not an immediate issue. Was just curious if anyone had looked into that.15:47
tmorinwe haven't but this would be welcome15:47
bobmelok, thanks.15:47
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tmorinwhen it becomes a real goal, I'll be happy to help and see how this would be configured15:48
tmorinlast thing on bagpipe, is that ythomas plans to push fullstack tests (framework plus some base tests) to networking-bagpipe very soon15:48
tmorinthis will allow testing various bagpipe specific parameter/driver combinations15:48
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tmorinanything else ?15:49
tmorin#topic open discussion15:50
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tmorinok ...15:51
tmorinit seems we're done for today15:51
tmorinthanks everyone !15:51
bobmelOne things,15:52
tmorinyep :)15:52
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bobmelwere you planning anything for the PTG?15:52
tmoringood question15:52
tmorinI'm still confirming that I can go15:53
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tmorinanything we plan would be part of what is planned for Neutron during the PTG15:53
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tmorinhas anything be announced for neutron ?15:54
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bobmelNot sure15:55
tmorinI didn't see anyhting on the list15:55
bobmelI have missed the two last neutron ircs15:55
tmorindefinitly a good thing to discuss during next meetings15:56
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tmorinthe PTG looks like a good time to discuss BGPVPN API evolution, a topic on which we didn't advance much during H2 201615:56
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tmorintime to close15:58
tmorinthanks everyone !15:58
tmorin#endmeeting15:58
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bobmelThanks, bye15:58
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adrian_otto#startmeeting containers16:01
openstackMeeting started Tue Dec  6 16:01:03 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:01
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adrian_otto#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda_for_2016-12-06_1600_UTC Our Agenda16:01
adrian_otto#topic Roll Call16:01
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adrian_ottoAdrian Otto16:01
Drago1o/16:01
jvgrantJaycen Grant16:01
tonanhngoTon Ngo16:01
mjura_Michal Jura16:01
hongbino/16:01
strigaziSpyros Trigazis16:01
randallburto/16:01
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yatinYatin Karel16:02
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adrian_ottohello Drago1 jvgrant tonanhngo mjura_ strigazi randallburt and yatin16:04
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adrian_otto#topic Announcements16:05
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adrian_otto1) Reminder, there will be no meeting on 2016-12-2716:05
adrian_ottoare there any other announcements form team members?16:05
adrian_ottos/form/from/16:05
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adrian_otto#topic Review Action Items16:06
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adrian_otto(none)16:06
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adrian_otto#topic Blueprints/Bugs/Reviews/Ideas16:06
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adrian_ottoEssential Blueprints16:06
adrian_otto#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/flatten-attributes (strigazi)16:06
adrian_ottothis is (1/4)16:06
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adrian_ottostrigazi: summary of progress from this week?16:07
strigazistable progress, I haven't finished yet. The only issue is that I do tests manually16:07
adrian_ottoI recall you raised this concern in our last team meeting, about testing the before/after16:08
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adrian_ottoany further thoughts on how to address that?16:08
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strigaziWe could do something similar to ironic, (other projects might also do it)16:09
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adrian_ottoare you referring to grenade, or something else?16:09
jvgrantwe discussed the need for this testing for both this and other up coming changes. and the possiblity of using grenade for testing16:10
Drago1There's a file he'll link, I think. It's not grenade16:10
strigaziI don't know if it's called grenade16:10
Drago1https://github.com/openstack/ironic/blob/master/ironic/tests/unit/db/sqlalchemy/test_migrations.py16:11
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randallburtIIRC, yes, grenade tests test db upgrades etc16:11
adrian_ottowe don't use sqlalchemy, we use alembic, but it has an equivalent of that16:11
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randallburtalembic should be the standard so there should be things to crib from in other projects16:12
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strigaziIt's a separate task if someone wants to work on it16:12
jvgrantswatson had started looking into adding some of this kind of testing, he is on vacation this week but he was interested in working on it16:12
adrian_ottook16:12
adrian_ottolet's open a bug ticket for that work item and link it to the blueprint16:13
adrian_ottothat way we can keep it tracked16:13
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adrian_ottostrigazi: would you agree to creating that?16:13
strigaziI'm creating it :)16:13
adrian_ottook, so I will skip recording that as an action item then.16:13
adrian_ottoany more remarks on flatten-attributes?16:14
adrian_ottook next is (2/4):16:14
adrian_otto#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/nodegroups (drago)16:14
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strigazihttps://bugs.launchpad.net/magnum/+bug/148990816:14
openstackLaunchpad bug 1489908 in Magnum "Tech-Debt: Add tests for DB migration" [Undecided,Won't fix]16:14
strigaziwe have one already16:14
adrian_ottothanks strigazi !!16:14
Drago1No update on NodeGroups, unless jvgrant has an update16:15
adrian_otto#action adrian_otto to ask swatson about claiming https://bugs.launchpad.net/magnum/+bug/148990816:15
jvgrantjust continued discussion the specs around it16:15
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adrian_ottook, thanks jvgrant and Drago116:16
adrian_ottonext is (3/4):16:16
adrian_otto#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/template-versioning (jvgrant)16:16
adrian_ottoThis one definitely has discussion in it that's beyond the scope of the blueprint16:16
jvgrantlots of discussion in this review.  Most of it is really around cluster upgrade now16:17
hongbinit is not really out of the scope since those bps are inter-related16:17
adrian_ottook, so my advice on this one is to table any action on it for now.16:17
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jvgrantwe made this a dependency for the upgrade spec but it is really isn't16:18
randallburtjvgrant:  agreed16:18
adrian_ottojvgrant: would you be willing to mark this one as workflow-1?16:18
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adrian_ottoI don't want to stop advancing our plans for improving Magnum16:18
jvgrantthe template versioning is more about the user experience for operators16:18
adrian_ottobut I also want to be careful not to go too far into a rabbit hole here16:19
strigaziand users16:19
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tonanhngomaybe we should move some of the discussion to cluster upgrade16:19
randallburtif we decouple it (by saying so) from upgrades, it won't hold up that train and can continue to be debated in isolation, sounds like a win to me16:19
adrian_ottoand my expectation is that our team will continue the discussion on a solution to the fundamental question of how to control policy with relation to acting on clusters and their templates16:19
jvgrantlet's figure out upgrade first and then we can figure out separately how to improve the experience after16:20
randallburtjvgrant:  +116:20
adrian_ottowhich may adjust the direction of the spec16:20
hongbini am ok to move the discussion to cluster upgrade, however, it will be the same discussion as before16:20
randallburthongbin:  but might be more productive without the template versioning muddying the waters16:20
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adrian_ottohongbin: acknowledged16:20
jvgranthongbin: the discussion is a very valid one. just want to remove part so it can be more focused16:20
adrian_ottoright, I'm seeking to optimize reviewers time around the concepts that we are clear on now.16:21
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hongbinthen, the template version spec need an revision to decouple from upgrade16:22
tonanhngoTemplate versioning is also required for nodegroup?16:22
randallburthongbin:  +116:22
hongbine.g. the upgrade use cases should be removed16:22
jvgrantnot required either. It is a nice to have16:22
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adrian_ottoSo we did mark this blueprint as Essential, but I think we should revisit that, as we can decouple it. We are trying to address a legitimate use case, but it's not a critical dependency for cluster upgrade.16:22
jvgranti'll make it more generic and we can lower the priority and come back to it after upgrade and nodegroup are finalized16:22
adrian_ottoany objections to making this as a medium?16:23
jvgrantnope16:23
yatinadrian_otto, +116:23
hongbinnot from me16:23
strigaziok16:23
adrian_ottook, I'm going to adjust it, and if anyone has a concern with it, please see me and we'll work through it together, thanks!16:23
tonanhngo+116:24
adrian_ottodone16:24
yatinSame question as ton, Template versioning is also required for nodegroup?16:24
Drago1No, it is not required16:24
adrian_ottonext is (4/4):16:25
adrian_otto#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/secure-etcd-cluster-coe (yatin)16:25
strigazino16:25
adrian_ottoyeah, related but not in the critical path16:25
tonanhngoWonder if there is a use case left if we remove both dependencies16:25
yatinDrago1, For what you referenced about reply about jvgrant then16:25
yatinI have patches for k8s and swarm for review16:25
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adrian_ottook, I marked the BP accordingly.16:26
Drago1yatin: I am not sure what you meant in your message to me just now16:26
strigaziCan you add some examples on how to test16:26
strigaziyatin ^^16:26
yatinDrago, No update on NodeGroups, unless jvgrant has an update16:26
yatinstrigazi, Should i add examples in BP16:27
strigaziyes16:27
yatinstrigazi, OK16:27
strigazithx16:27
adrian_ottothanks yatin16:27
adrian_ottoany more remarks on this work item?16:28
yatinNo16:28
adrian_ottook, any other work items for team discussion today? Bugs, Reviews, etc.?16:28
strigaziyes16:28
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randallburtwould appreciate some eyes on this patch chain: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/39678116:29
strigaziWe check the k8s functional tests with Mathieu and found out that we don't wait for pods to reach status Running16:29
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strigaziwe modify them to do the right thing but this change will impact the speed and stabillity of ours gates16:30
Drago1You mean we just check for existence?16:30
strigazifetching the review16:30
strigaziyes16:30
adrian_ottorandallburt: I will review 396781 this morning.16:30
randallburtthanks adrian_otto16:31
strigazi#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/404253/16:31
dirkI would like to RFC on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/39066816:31
dirkis bashate something worthwile for magnum? should I file bug/blueprint first?16:31
strigaziin many cases the tets succeed but in others don't.16:31
strigaziShould we procceed with it?16:32
randallburttech debt bug would be a good idea IMO dirk just for tracking and input16:32
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adrian_ottostrigazi: I would rather have reliable, consistent gates rather than ones that fail faster intermittently16:32
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strigazibut we don't tests a real result16:33
adrian_ottostrigazi: can we quantify the delay that the currently contemplated fix may introduce?16:33
randallburtstrigazi:  I think our tests should ensure we're functioning correctly. I think we can sort gate lag after16:33
Drago1I think that properly testing the functionality of clusters is important16:33
mveltenthe problem is that we actually don't test k8s properly16:33
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mveltenwe are checking for the creation of the pod at the api level but not wait for it to actually be scheduled16:34
Drago1Third party gate!16:34
adrian_ottoDrago1: agreed16:34
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randallburtwell, we shouldn't be testing k8s per se, but we should be testing that our drivers result in a functioning clusters and imo, that includes checking that pods are up and running16:34
randallburtDrago1:  lol16:35
adrian_ottoyes, ideally we'd have a third party gate per COE driver16:35
Drago1randallburt: Not a joke!16:35
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randallburtas long as they're voting16:35
mveltenis there a way to force our job to a provider ?16:35
strigazionly OSIC resources would work16:35
randallburtif its in our tree, it *must* work16:35
adrian_ottomvelten: not with OpenStack CI, but with 3rd party gate yes16:35
yatinMay be we can create custom image for gate tests that have already hyperkube images then gate time can be shorten up16:36
randallburtyatin:  +116:36
Drago1It depends on how large the hyperkube image is. I think it is small, so it should be fine16:36
strigazi150MB16:36
yatin187 MB16:36
mveltenyatin we thought about it, it is not that simple, there is currently no easy way to do that16:36
Drago1Large images still take forever to `docker load` and cause systemd to fail it16:36
mveltenexactly16:36
strigaziok, I'll have a look in tarballs again16:36
mveltenso embedding a tar will not help16:37
Drago1150 MB is probably too big still16:37
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adrian_ottodirk: we will get to your remarks about https://review.openstack.org/390668 in just a moment16:38
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yatinmvelten, Drago1 we had some images over 500MB in tar but that didn't failed at docker load16:38
Drago1Unless it could be pre-loaded into docker too, then it's fine16:38
mveltenif we want that we need to package /var/lib/docker directly so it is already imported16:38
Drago1yatin: Did you test that in the gate? I did too but in the gate it fails16:38
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yatinDrago1, Not in gate16:39
mvelten+1 the problem is again no kvm nested :)16:39
adrian_ottomvelten: this should become a non-issue in 3rd party CI16:39
randallburtright, if we can do third party voting, then I don't see why we wouldn't optimize that way16:39
hongbini want to bring up one thing if nobody else has any item to discuss16:41
mveltenok yes we need nested somehow in CI or it will come back again and again16:41
Drago1Okay, so how important to us is getting a 3rd party gate16:41
Drago1Because we keep finding reasons it's useful16:41
adrian_ottolet's do this... Let's set 3rd party gate testing as a top level discussion topic for next week16:42
adrian_ottoand we can invite representation form our infra team to help us make an informed decision about it16:42
adrian_ottos/form/from/16:42
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adrian_ottoone downside I see is that someone needs to provide the infrastructure to run the driver CI16:43
adrian_ottoso we'll need to find parties willing to do that16:43
hongbini think tonanhngo got some machines from CNCF, we could leverage those servers16:43
hongbintonanhngo: ^^16:43
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tonanhngohongbin:  that was only for a short time16:43
hongbintonanhngo: bumper16:44
randallburtadrian_otto:  sounds good16:44
strigaziadrian_otto: sounds good16:44
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jvgrantshort term was there a decision on the review strigazi brought up? should we added waiting for the pods?16:44
adrian_ottoand we can start an ML discussion too so that we have some background set before coming back to the topic16:44
mveltenfor the record we dont have nested for now. We are trying to switch it on for new HV16:44
adrian_ottoI can take that action item16:44
randallburtjvgrant:  IMO, yes16:44
strigazi+1 ^^16:45
tonanhngoI think we should wait for the pods, otherwise it's not really a valid test16:45
randallburtagreed16:45
jvgrant+116:45
adrian_ottoagreed16:45
adrian_ottook, dirk.16:45
strigazithanks16:45
adrian_ottohongbin, I noted you have a topic too.16:45
yatintonanhngo, +116:45
dirkadrian_otto: yes :)16:46
hongbini suggested to bump the priority of the cluster-upgrade bp to essential16:46
mveltenand according to spyros the rackspace vms in the common CI pools doesnt have it either16:46
adrian_ottodirk: besides indentation, is there some other motivation to introducing a pop8 equivalent for shell scripts?16:46
hongbinthe cluster upgrade feature is a blocker for magnum to be production-ready imo16:46
adrian_ottopep816:46
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randallburthongbin:  agreed16:46
hongbinit should be classified as essential so that we could discuss it every week at the team meeting16:47
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yatinhongbin, +116:47
dirkadrian_otto: consistency. one formatting style, less nitpicks over formatting issues for future changes..16:47
adrian_ottook, I am happy to elevate set cluster upgrade to essential16:47
strigaziok16:47
Drago1I'm happy to ride herd on it16:47
mveltenI have a problem with the indentation patch. It can break stuff quite easily16:47
adrian_ottodirk: from what I can see there is no test for style besides indentation. Did I miss something?16:47
mveltenI think16:47
Drago1Oh, nevermind, strigazi is already assigned16:47
dirkadrian_otto: I didn't want to enable all bashate tests as that made it unreviewable. I can do followups that enable more tests16:48
randallburtI think that's just the first check to keep it from being too disruptive too early16:48
dirkadrian_otto: just wanted to see as a test balloon whether that route would be acceptable at all16:48
mveltenif a tool or a cat or anything expect good tabbing / new lines it would break it16:48
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randallburtmvelten:  that's kinda the point IMO16:49
randallburtmvelten:  run tox before you post a review to catch things like that16:49
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randallburtif we have a significant number of artifacts in bash (and we do), then it should be linted IMO16:49
adrian_ottohongbin: I set https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/cluster-upgrades as Essential16:50
hongbinadrian_otto: thank you16:50
adrian_ottohongbin: did you also have an additional topic, or was that it?16:50
Drago1Linting for heat templates would be nice too16:50
hongbinno. that is all from me16:50
vijendarI have one topic. I would like to get  a spec reviewed https://review.openstack.org/#/c/391537/ to proceed with implementation16:50
adrian_ottothanks hongbin16:50
randallburtDrago1:  indeed. don't know if we ever built something like that16:50
mveltenlinting python is fine, bash which rely on calling other binaries is weid to me16:50
Drago1Yes, let's discuss that, vijendar16:50
adrian_ottovijendar: we will get to that in one moment16:51
vijendaradrian_otto: ok16:51
jasondmvelten: yeah, if it did break something, we probably wouldn't see it in the gate16:51
jasondmvelten: at least, not always16:51
randallburtthis is checking style/formatting, not functionality16:52
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yatinIs this earlier bug related: https://bugs.launchpad.net/magnum/+bug/156123216:52
openstackLaunchpad bug 1561232 in Magnum "bashisms found in /bin/sh scripts" [Low,Fix committed]16:52
mveltenthe stuff is that formatting can matters to underlying tools. if bashate now how to handle that fine16:53
adrian_ottoso is shell script style an actual problem for our team? If so, I have not seen the evidence of it yet.16:53
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adrian_ottoI'm reluctant to shake things up unless we are sure this is solving a problem16:54
mveltenlets say I write a yaml file like we do in k8s, does the bashate breaks the indentation ? it would break the fonctiunality16:54
hongbinthe check of any script could be helpful imo16:54
dirkadrian_otto: e.g. devstack uses it16:54
adrian_ottothe bug 1561232 happened because of upstream packaging tools had problems with bash code in shell scripts.16:54
openstackbug 1561232 in Magnum "bashisms found in /bin/sh scripts" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/156123216:54
adrian_ottodirk: that makes sense, as devstack is a shell script16:55
dirkadrian_otto: inconsistent indenting can hide bugs (e.g. 2 spaces / 4 spaces in the same file)16:55
Drago1It's also annoying16:55
randallburtIMO, if it doesn't break things and can help increase code quality, there's no reason not to16:55
yatinrandallburt, hongbin +116:55
adrian_ottoI agree, but the worry is that it may break things that are not apparent until later16:55
randallburtscripts in yaml probably won't be checked which is good, but then we could use that as the impetus to move those scripts out of the templates16:56
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Drago1Then we need to write tests that would cover those things, so we obviously need a 3rd party gate even more!16:56
mveltenI mean we have scripts that write yaml through echo16:56
mveltensh scripts16:56
randallburtmvelten:  oh, gotcha16:56
mvelten:)16:56
dirkadrian_otto: ok, then how about we try the consistent-indenting rule first and see whether it breaks anything?16:56
randallburtdirk:  +116:57
dirkadrian_otto: I don't have a lot of experience with bashate but from all usages I had so far I had zero issues due to it16:57
adrian_ottook with me. Let's take this discussion to the review thread16:57
adrian_ottowe don't have strong objections to it right now16:57
dirkgreat, thanks for the time to discuss this!16:57
adrian_ottovijendar: you asked for reviewers to have a look at https://review.openstack.org/39153716:57
dirkyep, thanks all16:57
vijendaryes16:57
vijendarso far I got couple of +1s on that, but need more reviews to get it merged16:58
adrian_ottoI'll look at the recent revision this morning16:58
adrian_ottoonly one minute left for open discussion, sorry16:58
adrian_otto#topic Open Discussion16:58
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yatin[openstack-dev] [Kuryr][Magnum] How stable is kuryr-kubernetes?16:59
yatinThere is an item that should be looked up16:59
yatinMay be ton is working on the integration part17:00
tonanhngoIt's still in development17:00
adrian_ottoThanks for attending. Our next team meeting will be at 1600 UTC on 2016-12-13. See you all then!17:00
adrian_otto#endmeeting17:00
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kzaitsev_mb#topic rollcall17:02
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felipemonteiro_\o/17:02
kzaitsev_mbhi folks17:03
kzaitsev_mbI don't have anything particular for discussion today and the agenda is empty17:03
DavidPurcellI don't have anything either.17:03
kzaitsev_mband like I said in #murano — I was not feeling well early in the morning %)17:03
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kzaitsev_mbbut a bit better now17:03
DavidPurcell:(17:03
DavidPurcell:_17:04
DavidPurcell* :)17:04
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felipemonteiro_He's schizophrenic.17:04
kzaitsev_mbso let's skip right to17:05
kzaitsev_mb#topic Open Discussion17:05
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DavidPurcellkzaitsev_mb: Are you coming to the PTG in Atlanta?17:05
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felipemonteiro_I wanted to complete all the gaps in the functional testing and look into why that one murano-ci test keeps failing...sound good?17:09
felipemonteiro_fill* the gaps17:09
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kzaitsev_mbDavidPurcell: I intend to17:10
kzaitsev_mbfelipemonteiro_: any way I can help you in that?17:11
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felipemonteiro_You already did by giving my first functional test a +2 this morning :-)17:12
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felipemonteiro_But I already have the dev environment for this set up, so I can't think of anything else.17:12
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kzaitsev_mbseems that we've changed our release model in an unfortunate time =)17:18
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kzaitsev_mbwould probably switch back during Pike17:18
kzaitsev_mbs/during/after17:18
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kzaitsev_mbok, doesn't seem like there is anything we have to discuss17:29
kzaitsev_mbeverything is kind of slow these days =(17:30
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kzaitsev_mbfelipemonteiro_: DavidPurcell: thanks for stopping by =) if you have anything I can help you with, don't hesitate to ask or ping me17:30
kzaitsev_mbgoing to end the meeting early17:31
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kzaitsev_mb#endmeeting17:32
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catherineD#startmeeting refstack19:01
openstackMeeting started Tue Dec  6 19:01:19 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is catherineD. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:01
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catherineD#link meeting agenda and notes,  https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-16-12-0619:02
catherineDhogepodge: hi19:02
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catherineDLet's start19:05
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catherineD#topic Update RefStack website with code in master19:05
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catherineDso we still plan to update the website on Friday ... which is a very aggressive date19:06
catherineDbut we will try19:06
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catherineDhogepodge: when we update the RefStack with master .. vendor/product registration feature will be available ...19:07
hogepodgecatherineD: did you see the 503 error that some one posted to the defcore list?19:07
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hogepodgecatherineD: I imagin that it's user error, but I'm wondering if figuring out where the 503 is coming from could help in identifying an appropriate error message19:08
catherineDThe first thing we need to do is to create a Foundation organization19:08
hogepodgecatherineD: great on the feature, thanks19:08
hogepodgecatherineD: fungi does that bootstrapping for us?19:08
catherineDhogepodge: I have  monitored the #refstack IRC  but not defcore .. will take a look19:08
hogepodgecatherineD: it's in the mailing list19:09
fungiwhich bootstrapping?19:09
fungioh, setting up the new ml?19:09
catherineDhogepodge: First you need to create a Foundation organization ... we then need to coordiante with fungi to change a parameter i nthe database to make it a fundation type organization19:09
hogepodgecatherineD: ok19:10
catherineDfungi: we will need to to change one parameter in the database  ... we will let you know when the time comes .. thanks!19:10
fungioh, right, that. someone was going to get me the details on what row to add to the refstack db when you're ready?19:11
fungisounds great19:11
catherineDfungi: yes we will provide a sql statement with the correct UUID etc ..19:11
luzCo/19:12
catherineDhogepodge: once fungi: updates the parameter .  You will be the first member of the Foundation ... after that you can add other users to the foudnation user group etc ...19:13
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catherineDand the foundation members willl be the admin who have privilleges to do a lot of actions on the website19:14
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sslypushenko_o/19:14
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catherineDI will send out and email and coordinate with hogepodge: fungi:19:15
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catherineDluzC: sslypushenko_: meeting agenda and notes,  https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-16-12-0619:15
sslypushenko_thx!19:15
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luzCthanks :)19:15
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catherineDwe are on topic one ... we plan to update the site on Friday but it is kind of aggressive ...19:16
fungithanks catherineD!19:16
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catherineDbut I kind of like to update the webiste on a Friday and while a lot of us are still here ... I know that people in the US will start to take vacation on the second half of December19:17
luzCcatherineD +119:18
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catherineDthe 2 patches that we will discuss next are needed for the website update19:19
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catherineDand we have 2 more patches to be submitted today soon ( 1 for doc and the other one for display on the test result)19:20
catherineDmoving on ..19:21
catherineD#topic Pending reviews19:21
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catherineD#link     https://review.openstack.org/#/c/405019/   ( Only Foundation admins can update the 'name' fields of official vendors )19:22
catherineDPlease review19:23
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luzCyes, I'll take a look today...19:23
catherineDluzC: thx ... this patch just prevents people to change the name  of the vendor after it is approved by the foundation ...19:24
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catherineDonly foundation members can change the vendor names for an approved/public vendor19:25
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catherineDnext ..19:25
catherineD#link     https://review.openstack.org/#/c/407268/   ( Add ability to edit test meta on report page )19:26
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luzCsame-- I'll take a look...19:27
catherineDThis is an improvement to ease Foundation members' efforts in editing meta data of test results (especially the previous results )19:27
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catherineDluzC: thanks again!19:28
luzC(parenthesis) I've been trying to setup my own openstackid server...  right now I have a refstack test server (with no domain)... so I kind of fake the openstackid auth, any pointers/ how you test these changes is appreciated :)19:28
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catherineDluzC: sure that is great ... let's discuss this after the meeting ...19:29
luzCok19:30
catherineD#topic Open discussion19:30
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catherineDhogepodge: for the 503 errors .. both pvaneck: and I have tested with no error19:31
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hogepodgecatherineD: I'm guessing the user is inducing an error with bad data19:31
catherineDI have respondeded to the user on the email ... asking her to get onto #refstack for interactive section19:32
catherineDhogepodge: I think so ... my plan is to give a fake RSA key that we use for unit test19:32
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catherineDand ask her to import this key to eliminate key error first ..19:32
catherineDthen go o nwith the next step ..19:32
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catherineDI have not heard back from her but will follow to see whether she still jhas the issue19:33
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catherineDanything else for discussion ?19:34
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catherineDif not, we can end the meeting early ....19:37
catherineDluzC: we can discuss your env on #refstack19:37
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luzCyes, thank you19:37
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catherineDalright thank you all for attending the meeting! bye !19:38
catherineD#endmeeting19:38
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