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toabctl#startmeeting rpm_packaging13:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Jun  2 13:00:10 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is toabctl. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.13:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.13:00
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dirko/13:00
toabctlhi. dirk is FTO so I try to lead the meeting today13:00
toabctloh. here he is :)13:00
dirkBut listening only :-)13:01
toabctlplease add your agenda points to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-rpm-packaging13:01
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toabctlhm. looks like nobody is here today...13:03
IgorYozhikovщ.13:04
IgorYozhikovo/13:04
toabctlok. let's start13:04
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toabctl#topic pypi urls. use pypi.io13:05
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dirkIs it going to stay there?13:05
toabctlusing pypi.python.org for downloading files is a bit more complicated now because you have to update the Source url in the spec whenever you update a spec to a new version13:05
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dirkIt says it is preproduction13:05
toabctl#link https://bitbucket.org/pypa/pypi/issues/438/backwards-compatible-un-hashed-package13:06
toabctl^^ this is the full discussion about the topic13:06
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toabctlsuggestion is to use pypi.io which is pypi "2.0"13:06
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IgorYozhikovtoabctl, does that mean that previous path syntax should work?13:07
toabctlboth systems use the same data (so uploading to pypi.python.org is the same as using pypi.io)13:07
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toabctlIgorYozhikov, yes13:07
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IgorYozhikovsounds good, links will be shorter13:07
dirk+113:07
toabctland updates of specs easier13:07
IgorYozhikovyey13:08
toabctl#agreed use pypi.io for Source urls13:08
toabctllet's switch order and do reviews at the end13:08
toabctl#topic renderspec extending with deb support template13:08
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toabctlIgorYozhikov, your turn13:09
IgorYozhikovyes13:09
IgorYozhikovI have an idea about using same approach for DEB as we already use for RPM13:09
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IgorYozhikovWe made working POC based on renderspec13:10
IgorYozhikovbut it use dh-python instead of pymod2pkg13:10
IgorYozhikovdifficulty here - dh-python can't be installed from pypi13:10
IgorYozhikovonly from source code repo or from package13:11
toabctlhm. afaik is dh-python something different than pymod2pkg13:11
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dirkDo you need that dependency just for package name generation ?13:11
dirkOr is this more?13:11
toabctland does zigo know about that? :)13:12
dirkI am not very familiar with how that works13:12
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IgorYozhikovdirk, yes we decide to use dh-python because of native deb name resolution13:12
IgorYozhikovzigo knew13:12
toabctlIgorYozhikov, how is the name resolution done with dh-python? do you already have a patch to review for renderspec?13:13
IgorYozhikovhe asked to add auto-fill up from requirements.txt file from particular project13:13
IgorYozhikovtoabctl, I posted link in etherpad to our git repo13:14
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toabctlah. cool13:14
IgorYozhikovat 1ts we need to polish the code13:14
IgorYozhikovbefore get it back to upstream13:14
toabctlhm. I get a "not found" for https://review.fuel-infra.org/gitweb?p=packaging/renderspec-deb.git;a=tree;h=refs/heads/master;hb=refs/heads/master13:14
dirkIgorYozhikov: sounds great, happy to review that after we got the 1.0.0 release out13:15
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* dirk still walking through that13:16
toabctlI'm also fine with adding support for deb if it's useful for you13:16
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IgorYozhikovtoabctl, I'll update gerrit ACL to let you view code, sorry13:16
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toabctlhm. so renderspec is no longer the right name if we add deb support :)13:16
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toabctlIgorYozhikov, imo it would be best to get a changeset where we can discuss it and see how it works.13:17
IgorYozhikovsure13:17
IgorYozhikovwe just want to get it working 1st13:17
toabctlsure13:18
IgorYozhikovand as the 2nd step - return back13:18
IgorYozhikovas for me renderspec sounds fine due package specification :)13:18
toabctltrue :)13:19
toabctlanything else about renderspec deb support?13:19
IgorYozhikovnope.13:19
toabctl#topic reviews13:19
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toabctl#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/(project:openstack/rpm-packaging+OR+openstack/renderspec+OR+openstack/pymod2pkg)+AND+is:open13:19
toabctlthere are plenty of changes ready for review now.13:20
IgorYozhikovI didn't upload anythin since last meeting, we are very close to HCF in MOS, sorry :(13:20
toabctlnp. I did it :)13:20
toabctlI also started to create new spec files13:20
toabctlIgorYozhikov, if you find some minutes it would be nice to review thoses where dirk already give his +2 . I think theses could be merged quickly13:21
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IgorYozhikovtoabctl, already looking for oslo.utils13:22
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toabctlthx13:23
toabctlabout the client packages - I think all of them are reviewed but they need more work13:23
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toabctlmivanov, do you plan to address the comments soon? or should somebody else fix it?13:24
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mivanovI will update them, but hcf in mos is coming13:25
dirktoabctl: I'll review the others later13:25
IgorYozhikovhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/324220/1 +2.113:26
dirknumber80 said he'd be able to help with reviews13:26
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number80o/13:26
number80I'll be taking some reviews today and tomorrow morning13:26
toabctlgreat13:27
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toabctlIgorYozhikov, there are some reviews where your CI fails. i.e. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/324222/13:28
toabctlah.it's about No Package found for python-oslo-utils >= 3.11.013:29
IgorYozhikovtoabctl, it depends on  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/324220/13:29
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IgorYozhikovafter merge our ci will publish new package13:30
toabctlIgorYozhikov, I see. we are not filling the versions for the BuildRequires. that's why it's passing for suse13:30
IgorYozhikovI'll go though the change of green review today13:30
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toabctlok13:30
toabctlanything else about reviews?13:30
IgorYozhikovyes, we are filling all versions using G-R13:31
toabctlIgorYozhikov, global-requirements from where?13:31
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IgorYozhikovmaster13:31
toabctlso not from https://github.com/openstack/rpm-packaging/blob/master/global-requirements.txt ?13:31
IgorYozhikovyou can see it in artifacts of JJobs13:31
toabctlok. so you are using the ones from the requirements.txt repository13:32
toabctleh, requirements repository (without txt)13:32
dirkIgorYozhikov: that can potentially cause bootstrap issues13:33
dirkI still have the requirements sync on todo13:33
IgorYozhikovdirk, how?13:33
dirkHopefully will get to it before next werk13:33
dirkWeek13:33
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IgorYozhikovtoabctl, is it normal - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/324220/ still not merged?13:34
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toabctlIgorYozhikov, hm. I guess yes. It needs some time13:36
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IgorYozhikovgood, will wait and retrigger all red jobs today13:37
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toabctl#topic open discussion13:37
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toabctlanything else?13:37
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IgorYozhikovmay be i missed somth, when we are going to release 1.0.0?13:38
toabctlIgorYozhikov, for renderspec?13:38
IgorYozhikovyes13:38
toabctlIgorYozhikov, there are still 2 open reviews. iirc dirk wants to have them in13:39
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IgorYozhikovok13:39
toabctlso reviews welcome :)13:39
IgorYozhikovhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/311565/1 +2.1 yaml safe load :)13:40
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toabctlIgorYozhikov, looking at http://status.openstack.org/zuul/ and filtering for rpm - then you see the gating job which is afaik responsible for merging13:41
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dirkIgorYozhikov: I didn't want the safe.load yet13:42
IgorYozhikovtoabctl, thanx13:42
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dirkI was mostly blocked on preparing the release Jenkins jobs13:42
dirkWhich is now almost done since today13:42
IgorYozhikovo i c13:42
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IgorYozhikovanything else?13:43
toabctlnope13:43
toabctl#endmeeting13:44
*** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings"13:44
openstackMeeting ended Thu Jun  2 13:44:00 2016 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)13:44
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-06-02-13.00.html13:44
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-06-02-13.00.txt13:44
toabctlthanks everybody13:44
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-06-02-13.00.log.html13:44
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slashme#startmeeting freezer14:04
openstackMeeting started Thu Jun  2 14:04:53 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is slashme. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:04
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:04
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'freezer'14:04
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yangyapeng:014:05
yangyapeng:)14:05
slashmeHello everyone14:05
EinstCrazyhello14:05
ddieterlyhello14:05
slashmeAs usual, the agenda is available here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer_meetings14:05
szaherHi14:05
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slashmeFeel free to add anything there14:06
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slashmeOkay, First topic14:11
slashme#topic mid-cycle meetup14:11
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slashmeIt will happen in Galway I suppose.14:12
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m3m0location: philiphines14:12
ddieterlyso the last meeting we discussed end of july in galway14:12
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jonaspfI'll be in Germany between 19/07 and 29/0714:13
ddieterlydoes anyone have the link to the meeting minutes from last week?14:13
szaherI'll be in Egypt from 18 Jun till 23rd of July14:14
ddieterlyhttp://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/14:14
m3m0so no philiphines :(14:15
ddieterlyso, last meeting we voted for the last week of july, i believe14:16
slashmeAnd I'll be out 27/07 yo 18/0814:16
ddieterlyjuly 2514:16
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ddieterlyyou europeans and your wacky way of showing dates ;-)14:17
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ddieterlyso then can we do first week of august?14:17
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slashmeA one day event should be enought this time I think. No ?14:17
ddieterlyi can't justify a trip for one day :-(14:17
ddieterlyi think deamontool said that he was unavailable in auguest14:18
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slashmeI am unavailable in august as well14:18
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ddieterlyif we go to september, that is not really mid-cycle though14:19
slashmeddieterly: yes14:19
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ddieterlyjuly 11?14:21
slashmeddieterly: regarding your travel issues, we can arrange for some skype/hangout.14:21
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ddieterly@slashme ok14:21
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ddieterlyi can also schedule a trip independently to get some face time14:21
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ddieterlyso, it seems pretty much up in the air at this point?14:26
slashmeIt seems like it is going to be hard to get everyone here physicaly (ddieterly, szaher, jonaspf)14:26
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slashmeLet's agree on a date and have people joining virtualy14:27
ddieterly+114:27
slashmeWe don't have as much things as last time to discuss14:27
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slashmeI'm okay with 15th of July14:29
ddieterlyworks for me (virtually)14:29
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slashmeOkay.14:31
slashmeThere is no other points in the agenda today (except the pending reviews)14:31
ddieterlyi had a question about the reviews14:32
slashmeAnyone has a topic he/she wants to discuss ?14:32
slashmeGo ahead14:32
ddieterlyusually, before +2/A a review in other projects, we would have tests or, a reviewer would test the patch himself14:32
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ddieterlyare people doing that in freezer? testing the patch before +2/A?14:33
yangyapengagree14:33
ddieterlythis takes a lot of work, but it definitely safe time in the long run14:33
ddieterlys/safe/saves14:34
slashmeWhat a reviewer should do before approving a patch:14:34
yangyapengWe should be more timely review14:34
slashme- Read the code14:34
slashme- Check for the presence of a bug-id or blueprint-id14:34
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slashme- Test the code14:34
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slashme- Check for documentation of the code (Both comment and addition to the doc)14:35
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slashme- Check if the mappings have been updated accordingly if necessary14:35
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slashmeAnything to add to this ?14:36
ddieterlylooks good, i think the testing of code will definitely slow down the review process14:36
ddieterlyi think that each patch should have unit tests and integration tests as well before approved14:37
slashme+114:37
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slashmeAny other comments on that ?14:41
slashmeOr topic you want to discuss ?14:41
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ddieterlykind of a slow day14:43
szaherFor me I am good. Thanks :)14:43
szaherI would appreciate If we can review this one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/324529/14:43
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slashmeAnd these patches are also waiting for reviews:14:45
slashme    https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312430/14:45
slashme    https://review.openstack.org/#/c/315939/14:45
slashme    https://review.openstack.org/#/c/318551/14:45
slashme    https://review.openstack.org/#/c/323644/14:45
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ddieterlyszaher will https://review.openstack.org/#/c/324529/ address the issues that mohan found?14:48
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szaherddieterly: which issues ?14:50
szaherCan you give me a link to that issues ?14:50
ddieterlybura-47914:50
ddieterlyunable to start a default job14:50
ddieterlythe version field in the db seems to be the issue14:51
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szaherddieterly: I think this patch is the one solved the problem https://review.openstack.org/#/c/322928/14:51
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ddieterlyhow long does it usually take to get from stable/mitaka to hp/prerelease/mitaka?14:53
szaherEinstcrazy: plz check my comments https://review.openstack.org/#/c/324529/14:53
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szaherddieterly: it's landed already14:54
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EinstCrazywell, I think the second one my comment may be a clear way . Anyway all is ok14:55
ddieterlyso then it could not have fixed the issue14:55
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EinstCrazyeither is ok14:55
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szaherEinstCrazy: I just wanted to know what is the difference between if do_update and if not do_update ?14:56
domhnallwIt's neater to do "if not do_update"... and return and unindent the larger block that happens if do_update, I guess?14:56
domhnallwReadability?14:57
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EinstCrazyo, I think the code may be like this14:59
EinstCrazy        # check if doc_type exists or not14:59
EinstCrazy        if self._check_mapping_exists(doc_type):14:59
EinstCrazy            do_update = self.prompt('[[[ {0} ]]] already exists in index => {1}'14:59
EinstCrazy                                    ' <= Do you want to update it ? (y/n) '14:59
EinstCrazy                                    .format(doc_type, self.index)14:59
EinstCrazy                                    )14:59
EinstCrazy            if not do_update:14:59
EinstCrazy                return {'acknowledged': False}14:59
EinstCrazy        return self.elk.indices.put_mapping(doc_type=doc_type, body=body,14:59
EinstCrazy                                            index=self.index)14:59
EinstCrazybut anyway I think either is ok14:59
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ddieterlymeeting is about to end15:00
ddieterlyciao!15:00
yangyapeng#openstack-freezer?15:00
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ddieterlybye bye15:00
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vponomaryov#endmeeting15:01
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bswartzfreezer guys you going to end meeting?15:01
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toabctlvponomaryov, afaik only the moderator can end the meeting15:01
ddieterlyslashme you need to end the meeting, i think15:01
slashmeOops15:02
slashme#endmeeting freezer15:02
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openstackMeeting ended Thu Jun  2 15:02:12 2016 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)15:02
bswartzthank you!15:02
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openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-06-02-14.04.html15:02
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-06-02-14.04.txt15:02
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-06-02-14.04.log.html15:02
slashmeSorry about that15:02
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bswartznp15:02
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bswartz#startmeeting manila15:02
openstackMeeting started Thu Jun  2 15:02:34 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:02
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'manila'15:02
cknightHi15:02
mkoderer__hello15:02
toabctlhey15:02
gouthamrhello o/15:02
rrajahi15:02
dustins\o15:02
tbarronhi15:02
gansohello15:02
dgonzalezHi15:02
vponomaryovhello15:02
zhongjun_hello15:02
markstur_hi15:02
xyanghi15:02
Yogi1Hi15:03
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vkmchi o/15:03
bswartz#topic N-1 milestone15:03
gouthamrbswartz: disconnect your dot matrix printer15:03
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bswartzgouthamr: lol15:03
bswartzthat was a joke15:03
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gouthamr:)15:04
* dustins ponders if you can easily buy paper for those still15:04
markstur_always a glitch in the dot matrix printer15:04
bswartzso due to lots of distractions I haven't cut the N-1 milestone yet15:04
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bswartzbut I'm going to today15:04
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bswartzany changes that need to be in?15:04
bswartzganso: we can see messages15:05
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bswartzokay I'm going to assume we're all good with N-1 and push the milestones then15:06
bswartzI had hoped more specs would be merged by now15:06
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bswartzbut we can continue to wrap those up in N-215:06
gansobswartz: I am getting a lot of lag :(15:06
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bswartzI'm actually pleased with the amount of specs and the amount of detail in them15:06
vponomaryovganso: you have printer too? ))15:06
bswartzI think we need more reviews though15:07
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mkoderer__we need to priotize spec reviews15:07
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bswartzI'm blaming my core router for the slowness -- I'll debug it later today15:07
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bswartzlet's move on to important things15:08
bswartz#topic Decision on APIv1 removal for newton15:08
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bswartzwe discussed this last week15:08
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bswartzit's been deprecated long enough15:09
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bswartzthe question is whether it's more effort to keep v1 in or take it out15:09
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bswartzand also if there are any compelling ${reasons} to keep it other than general angst about breaking old things15:10
vponomaryovkeep means continuous maintenance, it is endless15:10
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bswartzI think we mostly leaned towards taking it out now15:10
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bswartzvponomaryov: removing things takes effort too, and we'll never stop removing things15:10
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vponomaryovbswartz: it is less amount of efforts in long term15:11
vponomaryovanyway15:11
gouthamrvponomaryov: when you say continuous maintenance, do you mean we need to maintain CI support for the v1 API? Do we, today?15:11
bswartzdid anyone think of a good reason to keep v1 in the last week?15:11
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vponomaryovgouthamr: we run lots of tests using v1 in tempest15:11
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gansobswartz: the only good reason I thought about if effort to maintain it is None15:12
tbarronganso had a customer that he was going to check on?15:12
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mkoderer__just #vote ?15:12
gouthamrvponomaryov: oh.. shares_client uses v1 routes? #TIL15:12
gansotbarron: yes, but the customer will also upgrade everything to liberty, and liberty is still V1 compatible15:13
vponomaryovgouthamr: yes15:13
bswartz#startvote Fate of the v1 API in newton? Remove, Keep15:13
tbarronganso: k, customers were my only concern15:13
openstackBegin voting on: Fate of the v1 API in newton? Valid vote options are Remove, Keep.15:13
openstackVote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.15:13
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gouthamr#vote Remove15:13
dustins#vote Remove15:13
zhongjun_Maybe we could put this in maillist and let more people to know this change? Get more feadback about whether there are any strong objections?15:13
vponomaryov#vote Remove15:13
xyang#vote Remove15:13
cknight#vote Remove15:13
markstur_#vote Remove15:13
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zhongjun_my #vote Remove15:14
toabctl#vote Remove15:14
bswartz20 more seconds15:14
bswartz#endvote15:14
openstackVoted on "Fate of the v1 API in newton?" Results are15:14
openstackRemove (7): toabctl, gouthamr, xyang, cknight, vponomaryov, markstur_, dustins15:14
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bswartzit is decided!15:14
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bswartzwho wants to push the patch to remove it?15:15
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cknightbswartz:  I nominate vponomaryov15:15
gouthamrbswartz zhongjun_'s right... maybe there are some clients out there that we don't know about, mailing list will give them a head start that v1 is removed in newton..15:15
bswartzzhongjun_: btw your vote wasn't counted15:15
bswartzyes definitely I'll do a ML post about it15:15
tbarron+115:16
bswartzthe N release is still 4.5 months away15:16
mkoderer__dgonzalez: we do have to update openstack4j, right? ;)15:16
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dgonzalezThat's already happening15:16
mkoderer__dgonzalez: ok15:16
bswartzvponomaryov: do you feel comfortable writing the patch to remove v1?15:16
gouthamrmkoderer__ dgonzalez: you're using v2 :)15:16
vponomaryovbswartz: yes15:17
vponomaryovbswartz: it will be not one patch15:17
xyangbswartz: if any customer is using it, I’m pretty sure he/she will vote for No.  I don’t know if ganso’s customer is following the ML15:17
bswartzwe can remind everyone that v2.0 is identical to v1 and v2.1 is where we started making changes15:17
vponomaryovbswartz: first step - remove usage, and I am aware about that OpenStack Rally uses v1 still15:17
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bswartzalthough v2.0 does require use of microversions15:18
gansoxyang: it is fine, I am working it out with the customer :)15:18
xyangganso: ok:)15:18
bswartzalright I think we can move on15:18
bswartz#topic Model updates from drivers15:19
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bswartzThis is a topic that we started last week but ran out of time for15:19
bswartzI think the idea was generally understood15:19
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mkoderer__bswartz: is there a spec?15:20
bswartzBut we have no spec for it, an no implementer15:20
mkoderer__ok ;)15:20
bswartzmkoderer__: no -- I was looking for early feedback which might influence the spec15:20
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zhongjun_Is there a link to show this bug in launchpad?15:20
* mkoderer__ needs to read the old meeting logs15:20
xyangbswartz: I’m very hesitant on making this change, given how strongly we advocated not to do any db update from driver in the past15:21
bswartzzhongjun_: this isn't a bug, it's a proposal to change the driver interface significantly15:21
bswartzxyang: the goal of this proposal is to retain the level of safegaurds we have today on drivers hacking the DB15:21
zhongjun_bswartz: Oh15:21
bswartzhowever there are unavoidable problems with the current approach15:21
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mkoderer__I am a big fan of not having any driver related db tables15:22
bswartzyeah this would not allow that15:22
gansomkoderer__: we have private storage15:23
gansomkoderer__: driver's* private storage db table15:23
vponomaryovganso: tsss15:23
mkoderer__ganso: never saw that15:23
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gansolol15:23
bswartzjust to re-summarize the proposal, I'd like a way for drivers to update the DB multiple times during a single operation, but each update would be limited to what they can currently return in a model update, or perhaps even less15:23
tbarrontssss == shhhh ?15:24
gansotsss sounds like a snake15:24
vponomaryovtbarron: yes ))15:24
bswartzdriver private storage is a place for drivers to persist information that nobody but the driver cares about, but the schema is unchangeable by drivers15:24
tbarronvponomaryov: ty15:24
mkoderer__bswartz: so it would be basically something like key value pairs in a table?15:25
bswartzmkoderer__: that's what driver private storage is15:25
gouthamrmkoderer__: yes15:25
mkoderer__sounds not that bad15:26
gansobut what we are discussing are the main db tables, not driver's private storage15:26
bswartzthis proposal is to have the manager pass an object into the driver's methods which it can use to manipulate the DB whenever it likes during that method call -- not just at the end15:26
bswartzthe object would severely limit which tables and fields could be updated15:26
vponomaryovright, it is really useful to be able to save intermediate results15:27
bswartzand the object would have a lifetime of just 1 driver method call15:27
tbarroni wonder if there is any precedent for this from other projects, for comparison purposes15:27
gansobswartz: maybe we could limit the amount of calls the driver can make as well?15:27
bswartzganso: what are you worried about?15:28
gansobswartz: driver spamming updates15:28
tbarronnothing against manila pioneering here, just trying to be informed15:28
bswartztbarron: I'm not aware of anything like this -- I mentioned how manila already started doing this kind of thing by attaching model updates to exceptions15:28
bswartzganso: hopefully that would be caught in code review15:28
gansobswartz: hopefully15:29
xyangbswartz: I’m afraid that once we open the door for this, we’ll get more and more requests and eventually open it up for everything15:29
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xyangbswartz: what is reason not to allow driver to do db update directly?15:29
bswartzxyang: if the requests were for good reasons, why wouldn't we want to say yes?15:29
vponomaryovxyang: why everything? we provide object and only this object can be updated15:29
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bswartzI can't imagine it every becoming wide open though -- that's the point of using an object to mediate access15:30
jcspdoes anyone have a specific use case for driver private information?   in ceph, we do have to store things, but we store them in ceph.15:30
bswartzs/every/ever/15:30
xyangvponomaryov: I’m just saying there will be more and more cases once this gets started15:30
mkoderer__jcsp: +115:30
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vponomaryovjcsp: look at ZFSonLinux driver15:30
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bswartzjcsp: IMO that's superior to using the manila DB15:30
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jcspvponomaryov: without me reading the code right now, what is it that that drive needs private data for?15:31
xyangjcsp: generic driver also uses private data15:31
vponomaryovjcsp: there we store info specific to ZFS dataset15:31
gansojcsp: manage/unmanage15:31
vponomaryovjcsp: kind of mapping of share ID and dataset15:31
bswartzjcsp: not all backends have a place to store metadata about shares I guess15:31
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bswartzoh yes that's a good case vponomaryov15:32
bswartzjcsp: consider a backend with a name length limit of less than 32 characters15:32
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vponomaryovjcsp: and we require it in case of replication when we need to read other backend's dataset name15:33
bswartzon such a backend, you can't simply name the share by UUID, you need to generate your own naming scheme15:33
vponomaryovjcsp: when it is impossible to recalculate name of dataset using some template15:33
bswartzand you need to store the mapping from the manila UUID to the actual name on the backend somewhere15:33
jcspcouldn't you all just open source your backends and then change them to do what you need ;-)15:33
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markstur_:)15:33
mkoderer__haha15:33
mkoderer__+115:34
tbarronjcsp: +115:34
vponomaryovjcsp:  we already do what we need15:34
toabctlwe should vote on that ;)15:34
gouthamrideal world :)15:34
bswartzokay we're getting off track15:34
dustins hahaha15:34
bswartzwe still need a spec for this proposal to have a proper discussion15:34
bswartzbut I think we know what some of the early objections might be, so we can attempt to address those in the spec15:35
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bswartz#topic Midcycle meetup15:35
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bswartzso after deciding that this summer is not the right time to do a europe-based midcycle, I sort of dropped the ball on planning this15:36
bswartzWe know that the meetup will be mostly virtual as before15:37
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bswartzAnd we're happy to host people here in RTP if anyone wants to travel15:37
bswartzbut main priority is to set the date15:38
gansobswartz: +115:38
bswartzCinder has set theirs 19-22 July15:38
mkoderer__maybe just one week after the cinder one?15:39
bswartzthat's the week after N-215:39
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toabctlcan we use a doodle or so to get an overview?15:39
bswartzmkoderer__: I actually think the cinder one is ridiculously late15:39
mkoderer__bswartz: ok then before15:39
cknightbswartz: +115:39
mkoderer__I didn't planed my vacation yet... :)15:40
bswartzholding a midcycle in N-3 means you have 4 weeks until feature freeze afterwards15:40
zhongjun_mkoderer__: haha +115:40
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gansomkoderer__: I also depend on the date definition to plan my vacation15:40
xyangbswartz: it was moved to this late date because of some activities in Fort Collins earlier15:40
bswartzI'd prefer for ours to be in late June I think15:40
xyangbswartz: no hotels15:41
bswartzof course that would be pretty short notice becuase it's early june now15:41
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* gouthamr man early is a nice nick.. bswartz is waking him/her a lot15:41
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vponomaryovgouthamr lol15:42
* vponomaryov hopes there is no guy with nickname 'lol'15:42
xyangbswartz: what about before n-215:42
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bswartzwtf? someone's nick is early?15:43
bswartzI'm sorry early15:43
gouthamrvponomaryov: if there is, he probably never joins fun meetings :)15:43
markstur_ that's 2 more15:43
bswartzokay so the reasonable weeks are:15:43
bswartzJul 11-15 (week of N-2 milestone)15:43
bswartzJul 04-08 (US holiday week)15:44
bswartzJun 27- Jul 0115:44
xyangweek of N-2 will be very bad15:44
gansoxyang: why?15:44
gouthamrus holiday week will be bad :)15:44
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xyangganso: need to do code reviews15:45
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gansoxyang: oh cinder has N-2 deadlines, right?15:45
bswartzgouthamr: less than half of us are US-based15:45
xyangganso: yes.  Manila too15:45
gansoxyang: we do?15:45
xyangganso: we need to cut n-2 as well15:46
mkoderer__sound like Jun 27- Jul 01 ?15:46
bswartzthe deadline we enforce for N-2 is the major feature proposal deadline15:46
xyangganso: manila needs to cut n-2, so lots of reviews need to be done that week15:46
bswartzI agree it would be ideal to avoid the N-2 week15:46
gansoxyang: oh yes but nothing like "drivers need to be merged by N-2", unless I am very lost on our deadlines15:46
xyangganso: no15:46
bswartzand we might lose some US-based people if we do it the July 4th week15:46
bswartzanyone have problems with  Jun 27- Jul 01 ?15:47
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dustinsI'm down with that15:47
bswartzthat's just 4 weeks away15:48
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bswartzanyone who would like to travel to attend locally who that will cause problems for?15:48
markstur_other weeks are worse -- not expecting travel approval anyway15:49
bswartzokay 1 more question before we move on15:49
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bswartzin the past we've done Tues/Wed and Wed/Thurs15:49
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bswartzwe've expanded from 1.5 days to 2 whole days -- will 2 days be enough or should we look at a third day?15:50
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bswartzand if 2 days, which 2 days are preferred?15:50
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mkoderer__depends on the topics.. should we collect them first?15:51
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bswartzat austin we didn't come close to covering all topics in the time we had15:51
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gansobswartz: I think we could shoot for 3 days to not prevent in-depth discussions15:52
bswartzhow about we plan on Tuesday/Wednesday -- then if we feel like we're getting too much material we can expand into Thursday?15:52
gansobswartz: last midcycle I had the feeling that we did not discuss many things as we do in summits15:52
gansobswartz: +115:52
dustinsWorks for me15:52
mkoderer__bswartz: +115:53
xyang+115:53
vponomaryov+115:53
zhongjun_+115:53
gouthamr+115:53
mkoderer__we need to do proper timeboxing IMO15:53
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gansomkoderer__: and follow them15:53
bswartzokay so the proposal is Jun 28 and 29 with possible June 30th too15:53
bswartzI'll send out an ML post about that as well, and make it official if no major problems are raised15:54
bswartzokay 1 last topic, not sure if we have enough time15:54
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bswartz#topic New spec - Extending share networks to span subnets15:54
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bswartz#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/323646/15:54
gouthamr#link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/32364615:54
gouthamrthanks bswartz15:54
gansomy vacation dates have just been decided :)15:54
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mkoderer__gouthamr: I am already reviewing this15:55
gouthamrjust wanted to bring this to your attention..15:55
gouthamrmkoderer__: nice :)15:55
gouthamrthank you..15:55
mkoderer__gouthamr: you'll get me feedback tomorrow15:55
gouthamrmkoderer__: sure.15:55
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mkoderer__but I need to have a closer look to neutron AZ implementation15:56
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gouthamryes, the blueprint linked there will give you the basic outline15:56
mkoderer__seems this release is very network centric :)15:57
gouthamri've dug deep into their code paths... our AZ idea is built around their current implementation15:57
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bswartzmkoderer__: share servers inevitably get tangled up with networking issues15:57
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gouthamri'd be happy to get reviewer feedback on that spec..15:58
gouthamrthat's all i had bswartz15:58
bswartzyes...15:58
bswartzI'd be happy if everyone reviewed all the specs15:58
gouthamr+115:58
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bswartzI've done a few in-depth reviews but there are many more to look at15:59
gouthamrwe've only merged one so far..15:59
bswartzso please keep up with the spec reviews15:59
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bswartzgouthamr: it's a new process this release -- we'll learn what works and refine it for ocata15:59
gouthamr+116:00
bswartzwe're out of time16:00
bswartzthanks all16:00
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bswartz#endmeeting16:00
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* bswartz waves to fuel team16:00
xarses#startmeeting fuel16:00
xarses#chair xarses16:00
xarsesTodays Agenda:16:00
xarses#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-weekly-meeting-agenda16:00
xarsesWho's here?16:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Jun  2 16:00:37 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is xarses. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
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openstackCurrent chairs: xarses16:00
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xarseso/16:01
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iberezovskiyhi16:01
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gardlto/16:02
vsakharovhi16:02
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mwhahahahi.16:02
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xarsesI just realized that the agenda wasn't updated for todays meeting16:03
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xarsesplease take a moment to move your topics =)16:03
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xarses#topic Telco Team Status (vsakharov)16:04
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vsakharovHello!16:04
vsakharovOur team continues fixing bugs:16:04
vsakharov* Done from the last update - 416:04
vsakharov* In progress (in development and on review) - 1216:04
vsakharovOur second activity is scoping features for 10.0.16:04
vsakharovFor now there are two features in work: SR-IOV+DPDK and DPDK+VXLAN. There are no any updates from last meeting yet.16:04
vsakharovThat's all.16:04
vsakharovAny questions?16:04
degorenkohi16:04
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ezpzo/16:04
xarsesthanks vsakharov16:04
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xarses#topic ubuntu_vlan_ha job doesn't actually test the patch set - do we need it? (iberezovskiy, degorenko)16:05
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iberezovskiythis week me and degorenko found out that ubuntu_vlan_ha job16:05
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iberezovskiy(which runs on each patch set to fuel-library) rebuilds fuel-library16:05
iberezovskiypackage on the patch but it doesn't actually update it on master node.16:05
iberezovskiyas a result we have deployed environment without patch applied. and as16:05
iberezovskiyresult the patch isn't actually tested in ha configuration.16:05
iberezovskiye.g. patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/321086/ (#1 patch set)16:05
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iberezovskiy#link https://ci.fuel-infra.org/job/master.fuel-library.pkgs.ubuntu.smoke_neutron/5369/16:05
iberezovskiy#link https://ci.fuel-infra.org/job/master.fuel-library.pkgs.ubuntu.neutron_vlan_ha/9387/16:06
iberezovskiyso, our suggestion is the one of:16:06
iberezovskiy1. update this jobs to make patch set actually tested16:06
iberezovskiyor 2. remove this jobs totally because it doesn't show what's wrong with the patch16:06
iberezovskiythoughts?16:06
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degorenkoand we have same issue for puppet upstream jobs i guess16:06
xarseswhat isn't applied the new fuel library?16:06
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degorenkoyes, master node is not updated during tests16:07
degorenkoso, actually we don't have our patch for ubuntu_vlan_ha job16:07
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mwhahahai'm pretty sure it is applied16:07
mwhahahaif not it seems that we need to fix the job not remove it16:07
xarsesmwhahaha: +116:08
degorenkothat's why we raised this topic16:08
mwhahahaDEBUG: Executing command: ['/usr/bin/yum-builddep', '--installroot', '/var/lib/mock/epel-7-x86_64/root/', '--releasever', '7', '/var/lib/mock/epel-7-x86_64/root//builddir/build/SRPMS/fuel-library10.0-10.0.0-8493.2.gerrit321086.1.gitc62b3ac.src.rpm'] with env {'LANG': 'en_US.UTF-8', 'TERM': 'vt100', 'SHELL': '/bin/bash', 'LC_MESSAGES': 'C', 'PROMPT_COMMAND':16:08
mwhahaha'printf "\x1b]0;<mock-chroot>\x07<mock-chroot>"', 'HOME': '/builddir', 'PATH': '/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/sbin', 'HOSTNAME': 'mock'} and shell False16:08
xarsesbut we patch it properly in smoke_neutron?16:08
degorenkomwhahaha, just take a look on links shared by iberezovskiy16:08
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iberezovskiythis jobs builds package, but doesnt update the master node with them16:08
mwhahahaor is it an artifact from no more docker16:08
degorenkoyou will see - that one job has old fuel-library package16:08
mwhahahayea i'm trying to track it down in the output :D16:09
mwhahahaanyway it should be fixed16:09
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degorenkobookwar_, mattymo are you here?16:09
iberezovskiyif I'm not mistaken, mattymo said that's it's expected behavior, that's why we're asking16:10
degorenkoyes16:10
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degorenkoand we were surprised to hear that16:10
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xarsesseems that we should fix the job16:10
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xarseswe still need to test neutron vlan16:10
iberezovskiybookwar_, ^16:10
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iberezovskiy+1 to fix of course, I wanna see every patch set tested in ha mode16:11
degorenkoalso +1 for fix16:12
xarsesok, lets plan on fixing it then, who's taking lead for that?16:12
degorenkoci-team?16:12
mwhahahawe need to verify that it's not actually being updated cause if it wasn't shouldn't tests always pass but they fail16:12
xarsesdegorenko: can you file a bug?16:13
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iberezovskiyI can16:13
xarses#action iberezovskiy will file a bug to fix ubuntu_vlan_ha job so that it tests the right fuel-library package16:13
xarses#topic Response to BVT failures (mwhahaha)16:14
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mwhahahaI'd like to bring to attention the way we handle BVT failures. I believe that if we identify the patch that causes the BVT failure, the correct course of action is to revert the offending patch to unblock BVT.16:14
mwhahahaThen we can merge whatever fix is required to put the functionality back in after BVT has been unblocked.16:14
mwhahahaI'm raising this because BVT was broken yesterday (starting 6/1 @3:39PM Jenkins time) due to a change in the way astute handles DHCP checker responses, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/322201/.16:14
mwhahahaInstead of merging the revert, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/324053/, we proceded to merge two changes to fix the DHCP checker, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/323352/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/323437/.16:14
mwhahahaWhile I agree that this particular issue needed to get addressed, I do not believe that we should have spent so much time to address the original bug causing the BVT failure when a revert followed on by the DHCP checker update could have been done afterwards.16:14
mwhahahaThe main issue I have here is that we're so close to HCF for 9.0 and we've now lost over an entire day for fixes to land in master and be backported because we spent time trying to fix the way DHCP checker works rather than going back to the original state.16:14
mwhahahaI was concerned that what if the DHCP checker update introduces more BVT blocking issues.16:14
mwhahahaI believe in the future we should lower our risk by reverting the offending patch and then doing additional testing rather than force it in because BVT is blocked.16:14
mwhahahaI thought this was the established workflow for such things, if not I would propose that this be written down and followed as the correct way to handle such failures in the future. Thanks.16:14
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xarsesmwhahaha: it was my undersanding that revert first was the correct course of action16:15
mwhahahamine as well, but this was not followed.16:16
mwhahahaadditionally the offending original patch was merged while bvt was red16:16
iberezovskiyas far as I know the correct flow was always to revert the patch16:16
xarsesin the rare case that it's a typo, it might make sense to fix it. but still we should revert back to passing first16:16
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holser_o/16:16
mwhahahahopefully bvt will clear up (it's still running), but we need to pay attention to this better16:17
mwhahahaadditionally when BVT is broken, it needs to be a priority to all cores16:17
xarsesmwhahaha: it should be clear on the wiki, if not feel free to update it and send out a mail about it16:17
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mwhahahaoh a side note that we need to find a solution for the wiki16:18
mwhahahamy understanding is that it's going away at some point16:18
xarsesoh?16:18
xarsescan you take an action to figure out the next steps there?16:19
mwhahahahttps://www.mail-archive.com/openstack-dev%40lists.openstack.org/msg83371.html16:19
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mwhahahai know puppet openstack is moving off of it as well. just thought i'd mention it. if more details surface i'll take an action item to come up with something else16:21
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mwhahahaanyway that's all i've got16:21
xarses#topic open discuss16:21
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xarsesany one have anything else to raise?16:21
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xarsesok, thanks everyone16:23
xarses#endmeeting16:23
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hyakuhei#startmeeting Security16:59
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hyakuhei#chair tmcpeak17:00
openstackCurrent chairs: hyakuhei tmcpeak17:00
tmcpeako/17:00
singlethinko/17:00
diazjfo/17:00
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tmcpeak#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-agenda17:00
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sicarieo/17:01
dg___sup guys17:01
tmcpeakwhatup dg___!17:01
tmcpeakyou add more underscores e'rytime17:02
hyakuheiHey everyone, I hope elmiko took good care of you all last time around!17:02
tmcpeakhe is good and fair17:02
michaelxinhe did17:02
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michaelxino/17:02
tmcpeakalso he can't make it today, but sends his regards17:02
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hyakuheiNo worries. Seems like a quiet room today. I guess we’re only two minutes in17:03
ccneillo/17:03
hyakuheiHey ccneill17:03
ccneillhola17:03
hyakuheiok I guess we’ll roll onwards!17:03
hyakuhei#topic Anchor17:03
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hyakuheiI’m not aware of anything exciting going on.17:03
lhindshey all17:04
dg___Ive not touched anchor in the last couple of weaks, not sure about Tim17:04
hyakuheiTim isn’t here, I haven’t added anything - dg___ ?17:04
dg___narp17:04
hyakuheilol, ok I guess we can move on to the next issue then :)17:04
tmcpeakBandit is similarly skips17:04
tmcpeaknothing new17:04
hyakuheiOk17:04
michaelxinafter long weekend17:04
hyakuhei#topic Bandit17:04
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hyakuhei    pass17:04
hyakuhei#topic Syntribos17:05
michaelxineveryone is catching up17:05
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michaelxinWe are still testing Syntribos against the broken API17:05
michaelxinand improving the existing tests.17:05
ccneillmdong has a spreadsheet showing some results from our test runs against vAPI17:05
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hyakuheiOh cool, is it somewhere we can share / take a look ?17:06
ccneillwe're trying to collect data at each step along the way to see how our false positive/negative rates improve over time17:06
ccneillsec17:06
mdonghttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14Lkd1xiEPDhKEBGq3bmYf36c30p9qiWvvd0RsHLUQjI/edit#gid=017:06
mdong#link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14Lkd1xiEPDhKEBGq3bmYf36c30p9qiWvvd0RsHLUQjI/edit#gid=017:06
ccneillboom17:06
hyakuheiOooh, I smell some big-data on the horizon!17:06
ccneillbeat me to it17:06
ccneillhaha hyakuhei maybe not quite "big data"17:06
ccneillbut I'm not gonna lie, I definitely want to turn this data into graphs ;)17:06
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tmcpeakthis is against the vuln app, yeah?17:07
ccneillyep17:07
tmcpeaksweet17:07
hyakuheiExcellent! I think this is a very interesting project. Have you had many contributions outside OpenStack or outside Rack ?17:07
ccneillI'm working on some architectural changes that will make test-writing easier17:07
ccneillwe have a design session / demo on that today17:07
ccneillhyakuhei: we did get one small CR from browne, but otherwise it's mostly the OSIC folks at this point17:07
tmcpeakccneill: one thing we did early on for Bandit that helped was get a couple of posts out17:08
tmcpeakReddit, Twitter, etc17:08
tmcpeakget some publicity17:08
tmcpeakbrought people outside OpenStack17:08
ccneilltmcpeak: I think we're juuuust about ready to do a PR push17:08
ccneillwe're getting there17:08
hyakuheiGood points17:08
tmcpeaksweet17:08
ccneillgot a few things I think we want to tackle first, like removing opencafe and making installation easier17:09
hyakuheiSounds good17:09
ccneillbut we'll probably be there in the next few weeks17:09
ccneillI think that's it for us17:09
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tmcpeakawesome17:09
hyakuheiExcellent, thank you!17:09
hyakuhei#topic OSSN17:09
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hyakuheiSo there’s a couple of _good_ OSSN stuck in the queue17:10
tmcpeakhyakuhei: +117:10
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tmcpeakthis the right link?17:10
tmcpeaklooks security-doc17:10
tmcpeakwe have a separate one for ossn, yeah?17:10
hyakuheiNarp17:11
hyakuheiSame repo17:11
hyakuheiProbably some gerrit magic can improve it17:11
tmcpeakI was thinking LP17:11
hyakuheihttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/267800/617:11
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tmcpeakhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn17:11
hyakuheiNot a search link but an example of something we should have had out much sooner17:11
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hyakuheihttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/313896/2/security-notes/OSSN-0068 Especially17:12
tmcpeakooh gotcha17:12
hyakuheiCan I get a couple of people to take a look at that and review please?17:12
tmcpeakI will17:12
lhindsregarding  0068 (ratre-limiting)  should I add some keystone core folks to help review?17:12
michaelxinsure17:12
hyakuheiSure17:12
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lhindswill do17:12
hyakuheiGood plan.17:13
hyakuheiSo there’s wider chatter about rate limiting that continues17:13
hyakuheibug 157296617:13
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hyakuheiOk so that’s private because it talks to lots of things but the point is that we keep getting DoS reports for services17:14
hyakuheiThat are just HTTP services. That’s kind of how HTTP works.17:14
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tmcpeak"by design.  #yolo"17:14
lhindsvery true17:14
hyakuheihehe yeah17:14
hyakuheiSo the movement is to have a ‘party-line’ or set peice of advice for when these issues come up17:15
lhindsI will make a push on the security guide section on rate limiting.17:15
hyakuheiThis OSSN will probably be that so it needs lots of reviews17:15
tmcpeakthis is kind of what lhinds has written, yeah?17:15
hyakuheilhinds: good plan17:15
tmcpeakyeah17:15
hyakuheitmcpeak: exactly17:15
tmcpeakcool17:15
lhindsit will be like 0068, but covering all the different services17:16
hyakuheiAwesome17:16
lhindsgive them guidance, but make caveat known, that its there cloud, with its own characteristics17:16
lhindsthere/their17:17
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hyakuheiIt’s HTTP dummies :P17:17
tmcpeakextra points if you use the word dummies in the note and guide section17:17
hyakuheiok so if people can get lots of eyes on 0068 I’d really appreciate it.17:17
michaelxinhaha17:17
lhindsI will try and make the first word of each sentence using d u m m i e s17:18
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tmcpeakperfect17:18
tmcpeakand yeah, will review17:18
lhindsfirst letter i mean (long day)17:18
michaelxinwill review too17:18
hyakuheiThanks ya’ll17:18
hyakuheiHappy to move on?17:19
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tmcpeakyip17:19
hyakuhei#topic Midcycle17:19
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hyakuheiReminder that the signup is over here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-security-midcycle-N17:19
tmcpeakwe figure out where yet?17:19
tmcpeakand confirmed we're doing those dates?17:20
michaelxinnot yet.17:20
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hyakuheidiazjf ?17:20
diazjfhyakuhei, tmcpeak: Elvin and I are working on getting rooms. By any chance did you get any funding?17:20
hyakuheiThere was talk of doing it IBM Austin, I saw some internal traffic about it but I haven’t seen much on it recently.17:20
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hyakuheiI’m hoping to bring it up in a meeting later today.17:21
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michaelxinSo, we will do it in IBM austin.17:22
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michaelxinI also need to update my leaders about this assp.17:22
diazjfhyakuhei, let me know. I will try and book some rooms in the meantime.17:22
michaelxinJust want to get confirmation.17:22
hyakuheiProbably! I just need to find the right stone to squeeze some blood from.17:22
hyakuheimichaelxin: Yup17:22
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michaelxinSound like a good plan to me.17:22
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michaelxinI will let my leaders know that they do not need to worry about this.17:23
michaelxin:-)17:23
michaelxinThanks diazjf and hyakuhei17:23
hyakuheiRighto, I’ve fired off a quick email about that but I’ll try to chase.17:23
diazjfhyakuhei, If you need I can send you the info of the costs, etc, and who to talk to17:23
diazjfmichaelxin, No Problem :)17:23
michaelxinhyakuhei: Am I the only one thinking that you are still working for HP?17:24
hyakuheiAh sorry.17:24
hyakuheiI work for IBM now17:24
hyakuheialong with diazjf17:24
michaelxinhaha17:24
dg___lol17:24
hyakuheiand about a million other people17:24
hyakuheiok, any more for midcycle?17:25
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michaelxinask people to signup17:25
hyakuheiOther than on IRC you mean?17:25
hyakuhei#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-security-midcycle-N17:26
michaelxinwe do it again with Barbican team?17:26
hyakuheiHopefully yes17:26
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hyakuhei#topic Publicity17:28
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hyakuheiAnything tmcpeak ?17:28
tmcpeaknopes17:28
tmcpeakshould do something else17:28
tmcpeakcould use the help17:28
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tmcpeakbut I doubt anybody that isn't doing serious openstack work for their org would have time17:28
hyakuheiTrudat.17:29
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hyakuhei#topic Docs17:29
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hyakuheisicarie: ?17:29
sicarievery little going on17:29
sicarieI'm otherwise occupied, as is elmiko, so we're slowing at the moment17:29
sicarieit should ramp up next month17:30
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hyakuheiRighto! There was a nice post-summit surge.17:31
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hyakuhei#topic Blog17:31
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sicarieYeah, it was good to get the initial push - I need to be better about bugging the people on the Neutron team to push forward on the bugs they have17:31
hyakuheiSo I unbroke it a while ago and setup an IFTT recipie to alert me each time a new post lands17:31
hyakuheiby ‘alert’ it changes the colour of the lights in my house :D17:32
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tmcpeakhaha17:32
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tmcpeak#todo everybody go hack Rob's house17:32
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hyakuheiParty time!17:32
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tmcpeaklol17:33
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dg___:-D17:33
hyakuheiAnything else on blogstuff?17:33
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tmcpeaknopes17:34
hyakuhei#topic TA17:34
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hyakuheidg___: ?17:34
tmcpeakwhat's our plan to go forward with the work we had for kolla?17:34
hyakuheiI moved the vulnerability_managed review into the ta part of the agenda.17:34
dg___hyakuhei and I need to work through what we have, meet with steve from the kolla team to progress it17:35
dg___hyakuhei lets talk on skype, set something up for next week?17:35
hyakuheiSounds good to me.17:35
tmcpeakI think we have all the artifacts we need, yeah?17:35
dg___maybe17:35
hyakuheiMost of. They were supposed to build them out further I think. We need to re-sync17:36
hyakuheidg___: and I probably need to meet in the same office for a few hours17:36
dg___we have a lot of information across a lot of etherpads, need to consolidate and then follow up17:36
tmcpeakdg___: +117:36
dg___hyakuhei sounds like a plan, shame you broke!17:36
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tmcpeaksurely IBM has an office in hyakuhei's little village17:37
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hyakuheiIndeed they do17:37
dg___yup wales can work17:37
hyakuheiExcellent.17:38
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hyakuheiAnything else on TA?17:38
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dg___did you see the email from Steve on the kolla team?17:38
hyakuheiA little while back but I’m way behind.17:39
dg___np17:39
hyakuhei#topic Any other business17:39
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sicarieSo this thread posted to -dev today, looks like the middle of another conversation17:40
sicarie#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-June/096447.html17:40
sicarieMight be something worth taking a look at, but mostly is keystone stuff17:40
hyakuheiInteresting, thanks for flagging it. I spoke with Jamie about this a while back17:40
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tmcpeakanything else?17:42
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hyakuheiNot from me17:43
tmcpeak\o~17:43
michaelxinnothing17:43
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tmcpeaksick, allright, have a good week everybody17:43
hyakuhei#endmeeting17:43
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openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-06-02-16.59.html17:43
hyakuheiThanks all!17:43
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-06-02-16.59.txt17:44
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-06-02-16.59.log.html17:44
tmcpeakthanks hyakuhei17:44
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michaelxinThanks17:44
michaelxinbye17:44
ccneillo/17:44
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