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| devkulkarni1 | #startmeeting Solum Team Meeting | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 1 14:00:22 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is devkulkarni1. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'solum_team_meeting' | 14:00 |
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| devkulkarni1 | #topic Roll Call | 14:00 |
| devkulkarni1 | Devdatta Kulkarni | 14:00 |
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| zhurong | 0/ zhurong | 14:02 |
| Ablu | hiho | 14:02 |
| devkulkarni1 | hi zhurong | 14:02 |
| devkulkarni1 | hi Ablu | 14:02 |
| zhurong | hi devkulkarni1 Ablu | 14:03 |
| devkulkarni1 | good to see you | 14:03 |
| devkulkarni1 | here is agenda for today's meeting: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum#Agenda_for_2016-06-01_1400_UTC | 14:03 |
| caowei | caowei | 14:03 |
| devkulkarni1 | hi caowei | 14:03 |
| devkulkarni1 | we have zhurong and Ablu as well | 14:03 |
| zhurong | we have two meetings in one day :) | 14:03 |
| devkulkarni1 | :) | 14:04 |
| devkulkarni1 | sorry about that | 14:04 |
| caowei | hi devkulkarni1 | 14:04 |
| devkulkarni1 | the patch got merged this morning | 14:04 |
| caowei | hi zhurong | 14:04 |
| devkulkarni1 | so thought of holding a meeting even though we had one yesterday | 14:04 |
| zhurong | caowei hi | 14:04 |
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| devkulkarni1 | we can keep it short | 14:05 |
| devkulkarni1 | #topic Announcements | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 14:05 | |
| devkulkarni1 | 1) Welcome | 14:05 |
| devkulkarni1 | I realized that we have not officially welcomed caowei and zhurong. So, welcome guys :) | 14:06 |
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| Ablu | welcome :P | 14:06 |
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| zhurong | Thanks, devkulkarni1 | 14:06 |
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| zhurong | Thx Ablu | 14:06 |
| devkulkarni1 | Do you want to give some context and background about yourself? | 14:07 |
| caowei | Thanks ,devkulkarni1 Ablu | 14:07 |
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| zhurong | Actualy we are colleague | 14:08 |
| devkulkarni1 | oh nice | 14:08 |
| zhurong | We are all from china | 14:09 |
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| zhurong | and we work for 99cloud | 14:09 |
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| caowei | We are from the same company. | 14:09 |
| devkulkarni1 | zhurong: have you attended any openstack summits? | 14:09 |
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| caowei | yes | 14:09 |
| devkulkarni1 | caowei: cool.. which one? | 14:09 |
| devkulkarni1 | may be we have crossed paths earlier :) | 14:09 |
| devkulkarni1 | I was at the Atlanta summit, Tokyo summit, and Austin summit | 14:10 |
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| caowei | devkulkarni1: no，I didn't attend | 14:10 |
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| zhurong | actually I never been any of there | 14:11 |
| devkulkarni1 | zhurong, caowei: oh okay.. | 14:11 |
| devkulkarni1 | that's fine .. there will be other opportunities | 14:11 |
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| devkulkarni1 | btw, if you can share the usecases for which 99cloud is using/investigating solum, that can help us with building out feature roadmap | 14:12 |
| devkulkarni1 | no pressure though | 14:12 |
| caowei | devkularni1: I've been watching your share. | 14:12 |
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| devkulkarni1 | you mean slideshare? | 14:13 |
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| devkulkarni1 | caowei: thank you. I am glad you found those presentations interesting.. as you might have realized, we are open community .. and I would like to support your use-cases | 14:14 |
| caowei | And the summit | 14:14 |
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| devkulkarni1 | caowei: for instance Ablu's use-case is to natively support VMs | 14:15 |
| devkulkarni1 | caowei: I remember you mentioning about such a use-case as well | 14:15 |
| caowei | I would like to apply a APP Java in Solum | 14:15 |
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| devkulkarni1 | caowei: ok cool | 14:15 |
| devkulkarni1 | caowei: have you looked at our Java sample app? | 14:16 |
| devkulkarni1 | caowei: https://github.com/rackspace-solum-samples/ | 14:16 |
| devkulkarni1 | https://github.com/rackspace-solum-samples/solum-tomcat-app | 14:16 |
| devkulkarni1 | https://github.com/rackspace-solum-samples/solum-languagepack-java | 14:16 |
| devkulkarni1 | caowei: that is one example | 14:16 |
| devkulkarni1 | but personally if you ask me, it will be nice to have some more examples | 14:17 |
| caowei | I want to support virtual machines or other driver | 14:17 |
| devkulkarni1 | so if you have time/bandwidth to add another Java app example that would be really helpful | 14:17 |
| devkulkarni1 | for instance, what I had in mind was, we can try to see if we are able to deploy heroku's sample Java application using Solum | 14:17 |
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| devkulkarni1 | https://devcenter.heroku.com/categories/java | 14:18 |
| devkulkarni1 | caowei: about supporting virtual machines — you can collaborate with Ablu on it | 14:19 |
| devkulkarni1 | Ablu: I was wondering if you can add a blueprint to launchpad about your use-case and what you are planning to do | 14:20 |
| devkulkarni1 | https://launchpad.net/solum | 14:20 |
| devkulkarni1 | caowei: about other driver .. which other driver you have in mind? | 14:20 |
| Ablu | devkulkarni1: sure. I guess I could copy/paste the stuff from my thesis once I am done there. | 14:21 |
| Ablu | I am still at evaluating tools there | 14:21 |
| Ablu | did not do a lot of progress over the long weekend | 14:21 |
| devkulkarni1 | caowei: there was a blueprint filed recently to support unikernel-based applications | 14:21 |
| devkulkarni1 | caowei: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/unikernel-support | 14:21 |
| devkulkarni1 | Ablu: sure, sounds good | 14:21 |
| devkulkarni1 | caowei: thoughts/comments ? | 14:22 |
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| caowei | Just one of my thoughts | 14:23 |
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| caowei | I can only use nova-docker | 14:23 |
| devkulkarni1 | caowei: currently it is also possible to use a docker container with a VM | 14:24 |
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| devkulkarni1 | the code is there but it has not been well tested in devstack environment | 14:24 |
| devkulkarni1 | I can help you with it | 14:24 |
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| devkulkarni1 | in fact, it will be really nice to get it working on devstack | 14:25 |
| devkulkarni1 | the way it works is as follows: | 14:25 |
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| devkulkarni1 | 1) store the application docker container in swift | 14:25 |
| devkulkarni1 | 2) generate a swift tempURL for it | 14:26 |
| caowei | How to test support for virtual machines? | 14:26 |
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| devkulkarni1 | 3) Spin up a VM via Heat.. Pass the swift tempurl to the VM via cloud-init | 14:26 |
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| devkulkarni1 | 4) When the VM spins up, the container is started up | 14:27 |
| devkulkarni1 | all the above 4 steps are implemented in solum | 14:27 |
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| devkulkarni1 | I can point you the code where all this is implemented | 14:27 |
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| devkulkarni1 | the only issue is that we have not got these 4 steps to work in devstack environment | 14:28 |
| caowei | Do you have a few blogs to share?Or instruction document | 14:28 |
| devkulkarni1 | but it all works fine in our setup at rackspace | 14:28 |
| devkulkarni1 | caowei: I do have instructions; let me take an action item to add them to the wiki | 14:29 |
| devkulkarni1 | #action devkulkarni to add instructions on how to use VMs for deployment to Solum wiki | 14:29 |
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| caowei | I'm interested in this | 14:29 |
| caowei | Cool | 14:30 |
| devkulkarni1 | caowei: sounds good. I will add the instructions later today/tomorrow | 14:30 |
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| devkulkarni1 | caowei: do you have an Openstack setup which is other than devstack? | 14:30 |
| devkulkarni1 | if so, it will be straightforward to try it there | 14:30 |
| devkulkarni1 | caowei: cool | 14:31 |
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| devkulkarni1 | good discussion | 14:31 |
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| devkulkarni1 | lot of patches got merged in last couple of days | 14:32 |
| devkulkarni1 | zhurong, caowei: have you worked on any other openstack projects before? | 14:32 |
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| devkulkarni1 | you seem to have knowledge about things like projects.txt, requirements.txt, etc. .. that is awesome :) | 14:33 |
| caowei | Solum is the first project | 14:33 |
| devkulkarni1 | s/requirements/global-requirements.txt/ | 14:33 |
| zhurong | devkulkarni1 we have own project last year, but nov did not have continue to do | 14:34 |
| devkulkarni1 | caowei, zhurong: oh I see.. I felt that it was impressive that you seemed to have the context about openstack projects' meta-level information, such as global-requirements, projects, etc. | 14:35 |
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| devkulkarni1 | in any case I am glad that you chose Solum as your entrypoint to OpenStack | 14:36 |
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| devkulkarni1 | hopefully you will have a great experience | 14:36 |
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| devkulkarni1 | zhurong: thanks for various patches for solum-dashboard | 14:37 |
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| zhurong | devkulkarni1 actually Horizon is my first project | 14:38 |
| devkulkarni1 | zhurong: oh I see | 14:38 |
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| devkulkarni1 | zhurong: that experience will be very helpful to us for getting the solum-dashboard code in shape | 14:38 |
| caowei | I will spend more time on Solum | 14:39 |
| devkulkarni1 | zhurong: on a related note, can you educate us Horizon? what is the current status? what is the plugin model? how far solum-dashboard code is from where it needs to be? | 14:39 |
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| devkulkarni1 | caowei: cool. its always good to have more eyes on the main engine | 14:41 |
| zhurong | devkulkarni1 Horizon now switching to AnguarJS | 14:41 |
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| devkulkarni1 | zhurong: currently the solum-dashboard code is in django | 14:42 |
| devkulkarni1 | zhurong: so you recommend that we switch over to using AngularJS? | 14:43 |
| zhurong | yes, mostly of the dashboard are django | 14:43 |
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| devkulkarni1 | zhurong: how much effort is it to switch over from django to angularjs? | 14:44 |
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| devkulkarni1 | zhurong: you have looked at this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/289021/ .. is this patch in the right direction if we want to go the AngularJS route instead of Django route? | 14:45 |
| zhurong | Not have to much effort, horizon guys will build a very good framework | 14:45 |
| devkulkarni1 | zhurong: I see | 14:46 |
| zhurong | devkulkarni1 IMO this patch is not helpful | 14:46 |
| devkulkarni1 | tell me more .. in what ways is it not helpful? is it not following the horizon framework? | 14:47 |
| zhurong | devkulkarni1 I can understand why to do this :) | 14:47 |
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| zhurong | devkulkarni1 I can not understand why try to do this :) | 14:48 |
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| devkulkarni1 | zhurong: sure .. let me give bit of a context about this patch | 14:48 |
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| devkulkarni1 | so one of the things that I want us to complete in this cycle is to get the solum-dashboard working again. this has several aspects | 14:49 |
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| devkulkarni1 | 1) Get the dashboard to load without errors/issues in Horizon | 14:49 |
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| devkulkarni1 | 2) Add support for using the 'app' and 'languagepack' abstractions to the UI | 14:50 |
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| devkulkarni1 | pt_15 (who is not here today) was looking for a summer internship project, and I suggested this project to her | 14:51 |
| devkulkarni1 | and as a first step she has submitted above patch | 14:51 |
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| devkulkarni1 | it does not mean that we want to proceed with this patch, or this approach | 14:52 |
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| devkulkarni1 | based on your horizon experience if you think that we should approach this problem differently then I am completely open for that | 14:53 |
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| devkulkarni1 | zhurong: let me create an etherpad where we can discuss and brainstorm high-level approach(es) for this problem | 14:54 |
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| devkulkarni1 | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/solum-dashboard | 14:55 |
| devkulkarni1 | I will add this to our list of etherpads | 14:55 |
| zhurong | devkulkarni1 I think we should keep the origin framework which comes from horizon | 14:55 |
| devkulkarni1 | zhurong: can you add your thoughts to it about how you see this problem can be addressed | 14:55 |
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| devkulkarni1 | zhurong: sure, let me add that comment to the etherpad | 14:56 |
| zhurong | we need to do is make the solum-dasboard run normally | 14:56 |
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| devkulkarni1 | lets use the etherpad to outline the architecture, the steps, changes to code, etc. | 14:56 |
| devkulkarni1 | once we have the high-level outline figured out, it will be easy to start implementing | 14:57 |
| devkulkarni1 | alright.. we are almost at the end of our meeting time | 14:57 |
| devkulkarni1 | are there any topics that you had in mind? | 14:57 |
| zhurong | times fly | 14:57 |
| devkulkarni1 | yep :) | 14:58 |
| devkulkarni1 | #topic Open Discussion | 14:58 |
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| devkulkarni1 | Submissions for Barcelona summit are now open | 14:58 |
| devkulkarni1 | Barcelona summit submissions are now open https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/faq/ | 14:58 |
| devkulkarni1 | •Deadline: July 13, 2016 | 14:58 |
| devkulkarni1 | We have an etherpad where we are consolidating the topics that we can potentially submit presentations/papers for: | 14:59 |
| devkulkarni1 | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/solum-barcelona-2016 | 14:59 |
| devkulkarni1 | caowei, zhurong: please feel free to add any ideas that you may have for a paper/presentation to it | 14:59 |
| zhurong | devkulkarni1 OK | 14:59 |
| devkulkarni1 | we can all collaborate to help build the required features, presentation outlines, etc. | 15:00 |
| devkulkarni1 | cool | 15:00 |
| Swami | hi | 15:00 |
| devkulkarni1 | it is top of the hour | 15:00 |
| devkulkarni1 | hi Swami | 15:00 |
| caowei | we need to do is make the solum-dasboard run normally | 15:00 |
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| devkulkarni1 | we are just wrapping out | 15:00 |
| devkulkarni1 | caowei: +1 | 15:00 |
| devkulkarni1 | wrapping up | 15:00 |
| devkulkarni1 | lets continue in solum channel | 15:00 |
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| Swami | devkulkarni1: I thought you had already ended your meeting. | 15:00 |
| devkulkarni1 | thanks all for joining the meeting | 15:00 |
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| devkulkarni1 | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 1 15:00:58 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2016/solum_team_meeting.2016-06-01-14.00.html | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2016/solum_team_meeting.2016-06-01-14.00.txt | 15:01 |
| caowei | devkulkarni1 : Expect you to share the support virtual machine blog to me | 15:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2016/solum_team_meeting.2016-06-01-14.00.log.html | 15:01 |
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| devkulkarni1 | caowei: yes, will do | 15:01 |
| Swami | haleyb: ping | 15:01 |
| haleyb | #startmeeting neutron_dvr | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 1 15:01:42 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is haleyb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_dvr' | 15:01 |
| haleyb | #chair Swami | 15:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: Swami haleyb | 15:01 |
| haleyb | Swami: hi | 15:01 |
| Swami | good morning/good afternoon | 15:02 |
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| haleyb | it's still morning here | 15:02 |
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| haleyb | #topic Announcements | 15:03 |
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| Swami | haleyb: fine | 15:03 |
| haleyb | only announcement is N-1 is this week | 15:04 |
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| haleyb | #topic Bugs | 15:04 |
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| Swami | This week, we had two new bugs filed. | 15:04 |
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| Swami | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1582739 | 15:05 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1582739 in neutron "[DVR][L3 HA] Unable to ping 8.8.8.8 from VM without floating ip" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Oleg Bondarev (obondarev) | 15:05 |
| Swami | This bug has a patch associated with it. | 15:05 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/317541/2 | 15:05 |
| haleyb | I just reviewed, only issue was small in the test | 15:05 |
| Swami | This patch needs another +2. Oleg has already reviewed it. | 15:06 |
| Swami | haleyb: ok thanks | 15:06 |
| Swami | It seems to be a trivial fix, no issues there to discuss. | 15:06 |
| haleyb | there was an import added in the middle of the file, should be at top. i wish pep8 would flag that | 15:06 |
| Swami | Moving on to the next one. | 15:06 |
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| haleyb | yes, otherwise fix is fine | 15:06 |
| carl_baldwin | I can review it too if needed. | 15:06 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: thanks carl. | 15:07 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1581348 | 15:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1581348 in neutron "Can't delete a v4 csnat port when there is a v6 router interface attached" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Hong Hui Xiao (xiaohhui) | 15:07 |
| Swami | This bug also has a patch associated with it. | 15:07 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/315926/ ( patch) | 15:08 |
| Swami | I did review this patch. | 15:08 |
| Swami | There was a follow on patch for some name change shown below. | 15:08 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/319037/1 | 15:09 |
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| Swami | These are the two new bugs for this week. | 15:10 |
| haleyb | Swami: i will take a look at those two reviews | 15:10 |
| Swami | haleyb: thanks | 15:10 |
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| Swami | haleyb: carl_baldwin: I have addressed review comments on this patch. Can you take a look at it and provide your feedback. #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300358/ | 15:11 |
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| carl_baldwin | Swami: Yes, I will. | 15:11 |
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| Swami | carl_baldwin: I also added a comment on this patch. #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304905/, I got your point and the only way to address this is to filter this by the tenant id. Please let me know if that would work. | 15:12 |
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| haleyb | Swami: anything else? | 15:17 |
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| Swami | On the nova side patch for live migration, hardik is testing the tempest test to validate it, I am seeing some progress, let us see how it goes. | 15:17 |
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| haleyb | +1 on that | 15:17 |
| Swami | That's all on the bugs. | 15:18 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: sorry, I'll look. | 15:18 |
| Swami | On the proposed fix for the Allowed_address_pair for unbound ports. | 15:18 |
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| Swami_ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1583694 | 15:19 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1583694 in neutron "[RFE] DVR support for Allowed_address_pair port that are bound to multiple ACTIVE VM ports" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Swaminathan Vasudevan (swaminathan-vasudevan) | 15:19 |
| Swami_ | Here are the patches for review. | 15:19 |
| Swami_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/320669/ ( Server side patch) | 15:19 |
| Swami_ | haleyb: I saw your comment on using the config options versus using the device_owner, let me see how I can incorporate it. | 15:20 |
| Swami_ | Here is the link to the agent side patch. | 15:20 |
| Swami_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/323618/ | 15:20 |
| haleyb | Swami_: yeah, it was really to try and make it portable to stable | 15:21 |
| Swami_ | haleyb: carl_baldwin: could you provide your feedback on the agent side patch. I did see some comments on the RFE from armax, that he was not comfortable moving in this direction. But I also wanted your opinion on this. | 15:21 |
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| carl_baldwin | Swami_: I'll read it. | 15:22 |
| Swami_ | carl_baldwin: we can still try and see if the option 1 discussed in the RFE is possible, but I thought that would be little more complex to poll on the GARP for every floatingip and take necessary action. | 15:22 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami_: Back on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304905/10/neutron/db/l3_dvr_db.py@262, can't we just go straight to the port ID? | 15:22 |
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| Swami_ | carl_baldwin: we don't have the port_id, we only have the allowed_address_pair port id and not the VM port id. | 15:23 |
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| carl_baldwin | ok | 15:24 |
| Swami_ | That's all I had for bugs. | 15:25 |
| Swami_ | haleyb: Did you add in the bug for the metering that you discussed last week. | 15:25 |
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| haleyb | Swami_: no, i need to, which brings up a somewhat related change | 15:26 |
| haleyb | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/277657/12/neutron/agent/linux/pd.py | 15:26 |
| Swami_ | haleyb: got it. | 15:27 |
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| haleyb | That was Ritesh's change for fixing prefix delegation with DVR, but carl had a good point that we maybe need a better way to find what namespace should be used | 15:27 |
| haleyb | the metering code has a similar issue in that it needs to use the fip namespace when running on a compute node | 15:27 |
| Swami_ | haleyb: should we be then checking in for the network and then decide the namespace, because it might not be trivial. | 15:27 |
| haleyb | carl_baldwin: what was your thought on that change? | 15:28 |
| * carl_baldwin looking... | 15:29 | |
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| carl_baldwin | I just thought that this code was needing too much knowledge of DVR internals. | 15:30 |
| haleyb | carl_baldwin: yes, it seems to, i'm just thinking where should this abstraction live, namespace code? | 15:31 |
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| Swami_ | haleyb: probably we can add this function in the l3 agent to return the router_gw_ns_name | 15:33 |
| haleyb | Swami_: sure | 15:33 |
| Swami_ | So from the pd standpoint, it can just call the router.router_gw_ns_name and it should return the right namespace. | 15:33 |
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| haleyb | yes, i'll take a look based on that change | 15:35 |
| haleyb | any other bugs/patches to discuss? | 15:35 |
| Swami_ | haleyb: nothing else. | 15:36 |
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| haleyb | #topic Gate Failures | 15:37 |
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| haleyb | gate has calmed recently, don't have any specific dvr issues i've seen | 15:37 |
| Swami_ | I did see the single node job failure rates are slightly higher than normal. | 15:38 |
| Swami_ | I just noticed from the graphs, but did not get a chance to look at the details. | 15:38 |
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| haleyb | #topic Stable backports | 15:40 |
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| haleyb | Swami_: i think you had some backports that were stuck | 15:41 |
| Swami_ | haleyb: yes, I did see your comments on it. | 15:41 |
| haleyb | i don't think i swayed the voters :( | 15:41 |
| Swami_ | haleyb: did you get a chance to talk to iharchys | 15:41 |
| Swami_ | we need those to be pushed in if possible. | 15:42 |
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| haleyb | Swami_: sorry, which patches? i might have to go to my review list | 15:43 |
| Swami_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313130/ this is the parent. | 15:44 |
| Swami_ | there are around six child patches to it. | 15:44 |
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| haleyb | ok, that was the patch i was looking at, i'll see what i can do | 15:45 |
| Swami_ | haleyb: thanks | 15:45 |
| haleyb | #topic Open discussion | 15:46 |
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| Swami_ | haleyb: I wanted to discuss if there is a way to poll on the GARP, messages on the namespace for a particular IP and report it back to the agent. | 15:47 |
| haleyb | meaning if a GARP happens? | 15:48 |
| Swami_ | haleyb: yes. | 15:49 |
| Swami_ | haleyb: The reason I ask this is for the allowed_address_pair and fip in DVR, the alternate proposal is to poll on the GARP and then trigger the floatingip from the node, were the mac in the GARP message resides. | 15:49 |
| haleyb | I'm not sure we can learn when that happens | 15:50 |
| Swami_ | haleyb: ok, I knew that it would not be easy, but just wanted to check. | 15:50 |
| Swami_ | haleyb: kevinbenton mentioned it in the RFE and I have also asked him to help me if he has any ideas on it. | 15:51 |
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| haleyb | he would be a better resource for that | 15:51 |
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| Swami_ | haleyb: ok let us see what option he has. | 15:52 |
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| haleyb | anything else? | 15:53 |
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| Swami_ | that's all i had in my list. | 15:53 |
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| haleyb | #endmeeting | 15:54 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_dvr/2016/neutron_dvr.2016-06-01-15.01.txt | 15:54 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_dvr/2016/neutron_dvr.2016-06-01-15.01.log.html | 15:54 |
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| haleyb | see you in the neutron room... | 15:54 |
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| Swami_ | bye | 15:54 |
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| Sukhdev | Hello ML2 gang | 16:00 |
| yamamoto | hi | 16:00 |
| rkukura | hi | 16:00 |
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| Sukhdev | lets get stated | 16:01 |
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| Sukhdev | #startmeeting networking_ml2 | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 1 16:01:28 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Sukhdev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_ml2' | 16:01 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Agenda | 16:01 |
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| Sukhdev | #link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2#Meeting_June_1.2C_2016 | 16:01 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Announcements | 16:02 |
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| Sukhdev | N-1 is this week | 16:02 |
| Sukhdev | #link - http://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html | 16:02 |
| Sukhdev | time flies :-) | 16:03 |
| Sukhdev | I forgot to ask - does anybody want to add anything to the agenda? | 16:03 |
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| Sukhdev | Anybody has any announcements? | 16:03 |
| rkukura | neither from me | 16:04 |
| Sukhdev | Warriors won Western Finals - Yay!!!! | 16:04 |
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| Sukhdev | enough celebration - moving along - | 16:05 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Manila Integration | 16:05 |
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| Sukhdev | We discussed at the Austin Summit about Manila/ML2 integration | 16:05 |
| Sukhdev | I filed the RFE for it - | 16:05 |
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| Sukhdev | #link: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1573197 | 16:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1573197 in neutron "[RFE] Neutron API enhancement for visibility into multi-segmented networks" [Undecided,Triaged] | 16:06 |
| Sukhdev | This is the next item on my mind to pick up | 16:06 |
| Sukhdev | anybody has any interest on working on it? | 16:06 |
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| Sukhdev | Silence is golden, but, in this case, it is not :-):-) | 16:07 |
| rkukura | interest, but probably not time | 16:07 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura : understood - perhaps we will use you as a consultant in that case | 16:08 |
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| rkukura | I’m still a little uneasy with the idea of manila “passively” participating in port binding | 16:08 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura : No, we would not want them to do that - | 16:09 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura : with the implementation that I am thinking - we want to provide a way for ML2 driver (any driver) to have the ability to export (or present) the binding information | 16:10 |
| rkukura | At least with HPB, it seems like a manila mechanism driver should be involved by doing the actual set_binding() call. If it does this, it would know which segment is being bound, and could use that info to configure the file server. | 16:10 |
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| rkukura | But I still do agree that exposing the binding outcome through the API is desirable, at least for admin purposes | 16:11 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: so, there are two parts to this puzzle - | 16:11 |
| rkukura | So I fully support implementing the RFE | 16:11 |
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| Sukhdev | 1) as you mention - visibility for the admins | 16:11 |
| Sukhdev | 2) the ability to provision the seg-id in the file system | 16:12 |
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| Sukhdev | for 2, yes, we would need a manila specific of manila supporting ML2 - as we do in case of Ironic | 16:12 |
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| Sukhdev | s/of/or | 16:13 |
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| Sukhdev | In the coming weeks, we will kick of the work in this RFE, then we can discuss more details here | 16:13 |
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| Sukhdev | Anybody has any input/feedback on this? | 16:14 |
| Sukhdev | other than what rkukura already mentioned | 16:14 |
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| Sukhdev | moving right along - | 16:15 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Security Group Discussion | 16:15 |
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| Sukhdev | I have been working on the implementation of SGs for past weeks | 16:16 |
| Sukhdev | I noticed we had couple of specs for the SG APIs - by yamamoto | 16:16 |
| Sukhdev | yamamoto : I wanted to understand the issues that you faced in this regard | 16:17 |
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| yamamoto | couple of specs? i don't remember :-) | 16:18 |
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| rkukura | Sukhdev: Are you refering to adding precommit and postcommit calls on MDs for SG operations? | 16:18 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura : yes | 16:18 |
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| yamamoto | we suffered from the lack of SG ops in ml2. pre/postcommit would help. we currently using callbacks. | 16:19 |
| rkukura | As I recall, the resistance was based on the idea that the notification mechanism could be used instead, but it does not seem to be fully implemented either | 16:19 |
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| rkukura | And there are cases where we would want to raise exceptions in precommit for SG rules that cannot be enforced by the bound MD | 16:20 |
| Sukhdev | right - | 16:20 |
| rkukura | The notifications I was referring to are the same callbacks yamamoto mentioned, I think | 16:20 |
| yamamoto | yes, same | 16:20 |
| Sukhdev | so, I wanted to provide some feedback based upon my exeperiance working with SGs | 16:21 |
| yamamoto | odl folks added precommit notifications while ago. i don't know if it's complete (for their purpose) though. | 16:21 |
| Sukhdev | So, there are two types of notifications - | 16:21 |
| Sukhdev | i.e. you can register for Before and After | 16:22 |
| Sukhdev | i.e. before the SG is applied (or created) as the case may be | 16:22 |
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| rkukura | so before is during the transaction, and can roll it back by raising an exception? | 16:22 |
| Sukhdev | and after - i.e after SG is created, etc | 16:22 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura : correct | 16:23 |
| yamamoto | before is usually before transaction begins. | 16:23 |
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| yamamoto | precommit is during transaction | 16:23 |
| yamamoto | after is after transaction | 16:24 |
| Sukhdev | however there is no current and previous context - as is in the update operation in ML2 | 16:24 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: was going to mention that next | 16:24 |
| Sukhdev | So, I was able to achieve what I wanted to - with this framework | 16:25 |
| Sukhdev | but, had a nagging feeling that I may be missing something - hence, the purpose of this discussion | 16:25 |
| yamamoto | notifcation arguments are somewhat ad-hoc. some of them might have enough context, others might not. i personally prefer uniform way like ml2 pre/postcommit methods. | 16:26 |
| Sukhdev | just to learn from the experts who have gone through this path before | 16:26 |
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| Sukhdev | yamamoto : correct - especially in the security-group-update | 16:27 |
| rkukura | My view is that ML2 should treat all resources it implements consistently, supporting MD and ED calls. This includes SGs, QoS, SubnetPools, AddressScopes, … | 16:27 |
| yamamoto | rkukura: i agree | 16:27 |
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| Sukhdev | in the present implementation, since two contexts are not available, I was able to pull them from the DB by using before and after notifications | 16:29 |
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| Sukhdev | to achieve my goal | 16:29 |
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| rkukura | Sukhdev: If we did implemement the precommit/postcommit/Context pattern for SG resources, would you prefer to use that instead? | 16:30 |
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| Sukhdev | At this point, since, I got it working, I am probably OK - however, if I had it available to me, I would have preferred that | 16:31 |
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| Sukhdev | because it takes the guesswork out and makes the interface look uniform | 16:32 |
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| Sukhdev | Thanks for your insight into this yamamoto and rkukura | 16:33 |
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| Sukhdev | moving right along - | 16:33 |
| Sukhdev | #topic Open Discussion | 16:33 |
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| carl_baldwin | I had a couple of things. | 16:33 |
| Sukhdev | there are two topics for this one on the agenda and other one I would like to bring up | 16:34 |
| Sukhdev | carl_baldwin : yes, you go first - as you are on the agenda | 16:34 |
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| carl_baldwin | The first is that Hong Hui Xiao is working on create / delete segments on existing network. | 16:34 |
| carl_baldwin | #link | 16:34 |
| carl_baldwin | oops | 16:34 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/317358 | 16:35 |
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| carl_baldwin | We started an ML thread about it. | 16:35 |
| carl_baldwin | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/094833.html | 16:35 |
| Sukhdev | carl_baldwin : I started to review it this morning - have not finished it yet | 16:35 |
| carl_baldwin | Basically, I'll feel much more comfortable with his implementation with some of your skilled eyes on the code. | 16:35 |
| carl_baldwin | Sukhdev: Thank you for that. | 16:36 |
| carl_baldwin | The second thing is a bug that is also being worked on by the same contributor (IRC: xiaohhui) | 16:36 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/321152 | 16:36 |
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| carl_baldwin | Basically, we will defer an IP allocation until after Nova does scheduling. | 16:37 |
| carl_baldwin | Then Nova will do a port update which will allocate the IP address. | 16:37 |
| carl_baldwin | The IP address gets allocated, but is not returned in the response. So, Nova would have to make a follow-up GET call to see the IPs allocated. | 16:37 |
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| carl_baldwin | xiaohhui sent an email to the ML because he is perplexed. | 16:38 |
| carl_baldwin | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/096036.html | 16:38 |
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| rkukura | carl_baldwin: I should posted a review comment on this - the get_port() and call to the base class need to be part of the transaction | 16:38 |
| carl_baldwin | It would be great to have some guidance on how to fix this properly. | 16:39 |
| carl_baldwin | rkukura: That would be great if you could review. | 16:39 |
| carl_baldwin | That's all I have. Thank you very much for your time. | 16:40 |
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| rkukura | carl_baldwin: I meant to say “I just posted …”, not “I should post …”, but I will continue to review it | 16:40 |
| carl_baldwin | rkukura: Ah, I must not have seen it yet. Thanks. | 16:40 |
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| carl_baldwin | I see it now. | 16:40 |
| rkukura | Just, and in 1 minute ago ;) | 16:41 |
| rkukura | I can’t type today | 16:41 |
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| rkukura | Just, as in ... | 16:41 |
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| carl_baldwin | lol | 16:41 |
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| carl_baldwin | If you could take a look at his ML post too, that would be great. I haven't been able to wrap my head around it yet. | 16:42 |
| rkukura | carl_baldwin: I will look for it | 16:43 |
| Sukhdev | carl_baldwin: I will go through all of this later today | 16:43 |
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| carl_baldwin | rkukura: See link to ML post above. | 16:43 |
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| Sukhdev | anything else? | 16:44 |
| Sukhdev | If we are done with this topic, I have one topic to bring up | 16:44 |
| Sukhdev | I would like to discuss the frequency of this meeting - | 16:45 |
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| carl_baldwin | done | 16:45 |
| Sukhdev | carl_baldwin : thanks | 16:45 |
| Sukhdev | So, shall we keep the frequency of this meeting weekly, or should we slow it down a bit - i.e. every other week? | 16:46 |
| Sukhdev | I would like to open the floor for discussion on this | 16:46 |
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| rkukura | If we are continuing to actively develop ML2, I think weekly is justified. But if we are not, maybe less often. | 16:47 |
| Sukhdev | We have couple of work items that are going on in neutron - | 16:48 |
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| Sukhdev | one by carl_baldwin and his team for routed networks, which we should be paying attention to | 16:49 |
| Sukhdev | and the other RFE that I mentioned earlier | 16:49 |
| Sukhdev | both of these impact ML2 in a reasonable way | 16:49 |
| rkukura | Yes, and I’d also like to continue today’s discussion on completing ML2’s driver API for other resources | 16:49 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura : do you intend to file RFE for the ML2 driver API? | 16:50 |
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| rkukura | Sukhdev: I had mentioned that I did plan to, so I should | 16:50 |
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| rkukura | I’ll try to do that by next meeting | 16:51 |
| Sukhdev | So, this makes it three work items - | 16:51 |
| Sukhdev | in that case, we can continue to meet weekly and not change the frequency | 16:51 |
| rkukura | Sounds like “actively developing” to me | 16:51 |
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| Sukhdev | I just wanted to throw it out there - to see how folks feel | 16:52 |
| yamamoto | i suspect stadium evolution thing might make some plugins move to ml2, and expose some more shortage in driver api. | 16:53 |
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| rkukura | yamamoto: good point | 16:53 |
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| yamamoto | like this https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1587401 | 16:53 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1587401 in neutron "Helper method to change status of port to abnormal state is needed in ml2." [Undecided,New] | 16:54 |
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| Sukhdev | yamamoto: we used to track ML2 related bugs in this meeting, but, over time we have stopped doing it | 16:55 |
| rkukura | maybe we should use these meetings to triage new bugs tagged with ml2 | 16:55 |
| Sukhdev | ever since shivharris is gone, we have stopped tracking the bug :-( | 16:56 |
| rkukura | we had been tracking them until they closed, which wasn’t all that helpful, but maybe some sort of triage of new bugs, would be worthwhile | 16:56 |
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| yamamoto | given that we have enough topic to keep discussing for ~55 min today, i guess the current frequency is appropriate. :-) | 16:56 |
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| Sukhdev | yamamoto : point well made | 16:57 |
| Sukhdev | so, we are good with the frequency | 16:57 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura : perhaps we should start listing ML2 tagged bugs on our weekly agenda so that we can triage those here | 16:58 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: at least the new ones | 16:58 |
| Sukhdev | yup | 16:59 |
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| Sukhdev | Anything else? | 16:59 |
| Sukhdev | we are almost out of time | 16:59 |
| yamamoto | nothing from me | 16:59 |
| Sukhdev | our time is up - thanks everybody for attending | 17:00 |
| yamamoto | thank you | 17:00 |
| Sukhdev | have a wonderful day | 17:00 |
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| Sukhdev | bye | 17:00 |
| yamamoto | good night | 17:00 |
| Sukhdev | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 1 17:00:31 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2016/networking_ml2.2016-06-01-16.01.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2016/networking_ml2.2016-06-01-16.01.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2016/networking_ml2.2016-06-01-16.01.log.html | 17:00 |
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| Sukhdev | yamamoto : good night | 17:00 |
| rkukura | thanks Sukhdev! | 17:00 |
| rkukura | bye | 17:00 |
| sonuk_ | /msg nickserv identify sonuk inspire@2015 | 17:01 |
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| mugsie | #startmeeting Designate | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 1 17:01:17 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mugsie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'designate' | 17:01 |
| mugsie | #topic Roll Call | 17:01 |
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| elarson | o/ | 17:01 |
| mugsie | o/ | 17:01 |
| pglass | o/ | 17:01 |
| sonuk_ | o/ | 17:01 |
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| timsim | o/ | 17:01 |
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| rsyed2 | o/ | 17:01 |
| mugsie | Kiall: got a new screen that needed an RC kernal, so I tried that, but broke his machine | 17:01 |
| mugsie | so he is currently trying to install his IRC client on the new machine :) | 17:02 |
| timsim | nice | 17:02 |
| mugsie | so he tried that* | 17:02 |
| elarson | emacs has a few good irc clients... | 17:02 |
| mugsie | #topic Announcements | 17:02 |
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| mugsie | elarson: but he will never be able to quit! | 17:03 |
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| mugsie | so, designate-tempet-plugin had its first release | 17:03 |
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| mugsie | tempest* | 17:03 |
| mugsie | #link https://pypi.python.org/pypi/designate-tempest-plugin | 17:03 |
| rsyed2 | the announcement said you were thrilled about it | 17:03 |
| mugsie | we also have n1 this week | 17:04 |
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| mugsie | so if there is any patches peiople thing should be in the alpha release please put them in the room tonight / tomorrow | 17:04 |
| mugsie | as I will be cutting it on thursday | 17:05 |
| mugsie | well, the release team will be | 17:05 |
| mugsie | I ju7st have to tell them what SHA :) | 17:05 |
| mugsie | anyone else have any announcements? | 17:05 |
| mugsie | #topic Action Items from last week | 17:05 |
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| mugsie | there was none it seems | 17:05 |
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| mugsie | #topic Bug Triage | 17:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bug Triage (Meeting topic: Designate)" | 17:06 | |
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| mugsie | timsim: over to you | 17:06 |
| Kiall | o/ | 17:06 |
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| timsim | https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1586168 | 17:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1586168 in Designate "Designate silently ignores bad records in zone imports" [Undecided,New] | 17:06 |
| mugsie | h, n2, triaged | 17:07 |
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| mugsie | we should spit out an error | 17:07 |
| timsim | agreed | 17:07 |
| Kiall | yea - really shouldn't be silently dropping stuff | 17:07 |
| timsim | https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1586178 | 17:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1586178 in Designate "A zone import defaults to a ttl of zero (outside schema limits)" [Undecided,New] | 17:07 |
| mugsie | h, n2, triaged | 17:08 |
| mugsie | -_- | 17:08 |
| pglass | fyi i added tests for both of those here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/321872/ | 17:08 |
| timsim | I think this is because the minimum ttl has no default :| | 17:08 |
| mugsie | also mark it against mitaka (assumeing the behaviour is the same) | 17:08 |
| timsim | https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1587849 | 17:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1587849 in octavia "Flask 0.11.0 broke Octavia unit tests" [Undecided,In progress] | 17:08 |
| mugsie | ouch | 17:08 |
| mugsie | triaged, n1 | 17:08 |
| Kiall | High - right now - In Progress ;') | 17:08 |
| mugsie | have a patch in the gate right now | 17:09 |
| mugsie | ah, not triage | 17:09 |
| mugsie | =D | 17:09 |
| mugsie | +d * | 17:09 |
| mugsie | gah | 17:09 |
| Kiall | New screen too small to see what your typing? ;) | 17:09 |
| mugsie | its actually on the 24" | 17:09 |
| timsim | cool | 17:09 |
| mugsie | that it? | 17:10 |
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| timsim | yep | 17:10 |
| timsim | sorry lol | 17:10 |
| mugsie | #topic Stable Backport | 17:11 |
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| Kiall | #link http://paste.openstack.org/show/507002/ | 17:11 |
| Kiall | as usual, take a min to review and nominate anything in need of backporting. | 17:11 |
| mugsie | Kiall: | 17:11 |
| Kiall | mugsie: too slow | 17:11 |
| mugsie | happens :) | 17:11 |
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| mugsie | nothing | 17:11 |
| Kiall | Nothing to BP IMO.. | 17:11 |
| mugsie | slow week | 17:11 |
| mugsie | I got away for 10 days, and no work gets done :P | 17:11 |
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| Kiall | (other than the currently in gate fix for flask) | 17:11 |
| mugsie | go* | 17:11 |
| mugsie | yeah | 17:11 |
| timsim | agreed | 17:12 |
| mugsie | cool | 17:12 |
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| mugsie | #topic Mid Cycle | 17:12 |
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| mugsie | so, are we doing it, if so - where, when etc | 17:12 |
| timsim | hm | 17:13 |
| timsim | I suppose it's our turn to host? | 17:13 |
| mugsie | it loks likeit | 17:13 |
| mugsie | unless there is any other company that would lie to | 17:13 |
| timsim | You can come to Austin again! | 17:13 |
| mugsie | like* | 17:13 |
| Kiall | lol | 17:13 |
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| * timsim is still recovering from the summit | 17:13 | |
| mugsie | timsim: haha | 17:14 |
| Kiall | As am I | 17:14 |
| mugsie | I am well over it | 17:14 |
| elarson | mugsie: did you have some dates in mind? | 17:14 |
| mugsie | 10 days on a beach will do that | 17:14 |
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| mugsie | elarson: mid -> end aug? | 17:14 |
| Kiall | I've noticed some of the project teams are doing "Virtual MidCycle"'s - worth thinking about | 17:14 |
| mugsie | http://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html | 17:14 |
| mugsie | so, mid Aug | 17:15 |
| mugsie | as n3 is the last week in aug | 17:15 |
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| mugsie | what do people think of virtual? | 17:15 |
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| mugsie | I remember the seattle one where people were dialed in was terrible | 17:15 |
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| mugsie | but, if we are all remote it could be better | 17:16 |
| mugsie | but I am not conviced | 17:16 |
| timsim | Yeah. | 17:16 |
| timsim | It certainly won't be _as_ productive | 17:16 |
| Kiall | I'm not sold either, but the purse strings have been tightened :) | 17:16 |
| timsim | Yeah. I get that. | 17:16 |
| mugsie | 90% of our work was done outside of the sessions. | 17:16 |
| elarson | mugsie: I'm open to it, especially if it is easier for everyone | 17:16 |
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| mugsie | but, it looks like it will just be me if it is in the US | 17:16 |
| timsim | lame | 17:17 |
| rsyed2 | it'd at least allow for greater participation... | 17:17 |
| Kiall | lets do the HPE Geneva office, and make a ski-holiday out of it (I bet they still have some snow mid-august ;)) | 17:17 |
| mugsie | :) | 17:17 |
| timsim | yesss | 17:17 |
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| elarson | great idea! | 17:17 |
| timsim | There's an HPE office in austin apparently | 17:17 |
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| * timsim drove by it yesterday | 17:18 | |
| mugsie | there is | 17:18 |
| mugsie | in some old DC | 17:18 |
| timsim | Well let's have a think on this and come back to it next week? | 17:18 |
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| mugsie | OK, can people think about it? | 17:18 |
| Kiall | timsim: yah | 17:18 |
| mugsie | yeah, what timsim said | 17:18 |
| * timsim will bother jmcbride ;) | 17:18 | |
| mugsie | have opinions for next week | 17:18 |
| Kiall | mugsie is always too late ;) | 17:18 |
| mugsie | and options for hosting if we are doing a physical one | 17:19 |
| mugsie | #topic Open Discussion | 17:19 |
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| mugsie | any off agenda topics | 17:19 |
| mugsie | ? | 17:19 |
| mugsie | other than review worker model | 17:19 |
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| mugsie | (which is on my list for tomorrow) | 17:20 |
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| mugsie | timsim: elarson can you look at graham.hayes.ie/designate/dashboard at some point? | 17:20 |
| Kiall | pglass: Nit on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/321807/4/designate_tempest_plugin/services/dns/json/base.py - won't block me +2'ing, let me know if you think I'm being silly and I'll +A it ;) | 17:20 |
| mugsie | there is a large backlog right now | 17:20 |
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| timsim | yeah for sure | 17:21 |
| elarson | mugsie: yes! | 17:21 |
| mugsie | sweet | 17:21 |
| mugsie | thanks | 17:21 |
| mugsie | any thing else? | 17:21 |
| mugsie | going once | 17:22 |
| mugsie | twice | 17:22 |
| mugsie | and ... | 17:22 |
| mugsie | gone | 17:22 |
| mugsie | see ya'll in #openstack-dns | 17:22 |
| mugsie | #endmeeting | 17:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:22 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 1 17:22:40 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:22 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2016/designate.2016-06-01-17.01.html | 17:22 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2016/designate.2016-06-01-17.01.txt | 17:22 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2016/designate.2016-06-01-17.01.log.html | 17:22 |
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| timsim | o/ | 17:23 |
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| johnsom | #startmeeting Octavia | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 1 20:00:39 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnsom. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:00 | |
| xgerman | o/ | 20:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'octavia' | 20:00 |
| fnaval | o/ | 20:00 |
| Frito | o/ | 20:00 |
| ajmiller_ | Hi | 20:00 |
| bana_k | Hi | 20:00 |
| johnsom | Hi folks | 20:00 |
| sg | Hi | 20:00 |
| sbalukoff | Howdy folks! | 20:00 |
| eranra | Hi | 20:00 |
| johnsom | Welcome to another fine week in the land of LBaaS/Octavia | 20:01 |
| evgenyf | o/ | 20:01 |
| sbalukoff | Yay! | 20:01 |
| johnsom | #topic Announcements | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:01 | |
| johnsom | Newton-1 was last week | 20:01 |
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| johnsom | Just as an FYI, we are starting the N-2 window | 20:01 |
| johnsom | Along those lines there was discussion on the mailing list about: | 20:02 |
| johnsom | Changing release model for *-aas services | 20:02 |
| johnsom | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/096281.html | 20:02 |
| xgerman | yep, the iron fist | 20:02 |
| johnsom | Where it was proposed that *aas should go to release intermediate as opposed to with-milestones | 20:02 |
| sbalukoff | What does that actually mean for neutron-lbaas and octavia? | 20:03 |
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| johnsom | However I think there was a realization that there may be bad side effects to that, so I think it's dead | 20:03 |
| sbalukoff | Ok. | 20:03 |
| sbalukoff | So, we get to continue to be a thorn in the side of Neutron folks. Yay! | 20:03 |
| johnsom | It means nothing for Octavia. For *aas it means they would not be making milestone releases on N1,N2,N3 etc. | 20:03 |
| sbalukoff | Ok. | 20:04 |
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| johnsom | My last announcement is Flask broke Octavia (and other projects) recently | 20:05 |
| rm_mobile | o/ | 20:05 |
| sbalukoff | Joy. | 20:05 |
| johnsom | The requirements change is trickling out to exclude that release. | 20:05 |
| sbalukoff | *nod* | 20:05 |
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| johnsom | Any other announcements before we move on to progress reports/bugs needing attention? | 20:05 |
| TrevorV_ | o/ | 20:05 |
| TrevorV_ | sorry, was late | 20:06 |
| rm_mobile | I'm in Cuba | 20:06 |
| * johnsom Hands those two a tardy slip | 20:06 | |
| rm_mobile | ... Cuba NM | 20:06 |
| eezhova | there is also a fix would make Octavia work for Flask 0.10.1 and 0.11 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/323869/ | 20:06 |
| sbalukoff | rm_mobile: ...like ya do, eh? | 20:06 |
| sbalukoff | eezhova: Great! | 20:06 |
| johnsom | eezhova Yeah, that is great to have. | 20:07 |
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| johnsom | #topic Brief progress reports / bugs needing review | 20:07 |
| rm_mobile | FYI I'm on PTO for travel this whole week so I haven't been and won't really be around | 20:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Brief progress reports / bugs needing review (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:07 | |
| johnsom | Ok, I will open the flood gate.... | 20:07 |
| eezhova | shall we need to backport this to mitaka and liberty? | 20:07 |
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| fnaval | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/308718/ | 20:08 |
| fnaval | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/310326/ | 20:08 |
| fnaval | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/317692/ | 20:08 |
| sbalukoff | Cool. I've been working on reviewing Octavia patches mostly. Am happy to review N-LBaaS patches if there are urgent ones there waiting on attention. | 20:08 |
| johnsom | We probably should. I know the exclusion is going into those, but it would be nice to have fixed | 20:08 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:08 |
| fnaval | workng on internal stuff this week but I still have some reviews up | 20:08 |
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| evgenyf | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/321413/2 | 20:08 |
| eezhova | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+branch:master+topic:bug/1585116 | 20:08 |
| sbalukoff | Ok, I'll try to have a look at all the patches linked here in the next few days. | 20:09 |
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| evgenyf | I have also cuople of changes in vendor code, unit test addition and a fix backport | 20:09 |
| evgenyf | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/323188/1 | 20:09 |
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| evgenyf | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/318153 | 20:09 |
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| sbalukoff | evgenyf: Do those mostly concern Radware drivers? (ie. we can assume you've tested them?) | 20:10 |
| a2hill | o/ | 20:10 |
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| TrevorV_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/257201/ | 20:10 |
| evgenyf | sbalukoff: there are unit test and a bug fix backport that merged master | 20:11 |
| sbalukoff | evgenyf: Ok. | 20:11 |
| TrevorV_ | I need someone with +2 in Neutron LBaaS to seriously sit down and review the single-create | 20:11 |
| TrevorV_ | its been too long with all greens to not go in | 20:11 |
| * blogan stumbles in really late | 20:11 | |
| sbalukoff | Speaking of which: Did the governance changes go through yet? | 20:11 |
| eezhova | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/310490/ | 20:11 |
| johnsom | dougwig had that action. I have not gone and looked yet | 20:11 |
| evgenyf | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/318513/5 | 20:12 |
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| johnsom | sbalukoff No | 20:12 |
| sbalukoff | D'oh! | 20:12 |
| evgenyf | And this one is for neutron flavors plugin: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/318153 | 20:12 |
| sbalukoff | Well, we know that dougwig hates us. | 20:12 |
| TrevorV_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/318153 | 20:12 |
| dougwig | i do | 20:12 |
| * sbalukoff cries | 20:13 | |
| TrevorV_ | The #link command has to be on its own line, otherwise the bot doesn't get it, I don't think | 20:13 |
| xgerman | dougwig why? | 20:13 |
| johnsom | Well, maybe just some of us | 20:13 |
| sbalukoff | And by 'some of us' johnsom means me. | 20:13 |
| dougwig | groups fixed | 20:13 |
| johnsom | You said it, I didn't | 20:13 |
| sbalukoff | Woot! | 20:13 |
| dougwig | don't merge a neutron api change unless it has an approved rfe or blueprint for newton. | 20:14 |
| sbalukoff | Ok. | 20:14 |
| TrevorV_ | dougwig what if the RFE went into an earlier release? | 20:14 |
| sbalukoff | TrevorV_: That would be an 'approved rfe' then. | 20:14 |
| xgerman | sure, was hoping I could finally add the things I always wanted | 20:14 |
| sbalukoff | Haha! | 20:14 |
| johnsom | Single create should be good with it's RFE | 20:14 |
| TrevorV_ | Sweetness | 20:15 |
| TrevorV_ | Then I definitely want some +A goodness on that | 20:15 |
| johnsom | It was approved | 20:15 |
| johnsom | #topic Octavia / Neutron-LBaaS mid-cycle | 20:15 |
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| johnsom | Ok, I am going to switch the agenda order slightly as I think the next topic will take more time | 20:16 |
| johnsom | So, mid-cycle | 20:16 |
| sbalukoff | Yep. | 20:16 |
| sbalukoff | June is probably out at this point. | 20:16 |
| sbalukoff | Neutron's is in August... and in Irelane. | 20:16 |
| johnsom | When/Where/etc. | 20:16 |
| sbalukoff | Ireland. | 20:16 |
| xgerman | Cincinatti | 20:16 |
| sbalukoff | I'm thinking August for ours as well... no idea where. | 20:16 |
| rm_mobile | Ah FYI I moved to Washington state so I'm good with having the midcycle up north :P | 20:16 |
| johnsom | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/lbaas-octavia-newton-midcycle | 20:17 |
| rm_mobile | Though I'll be in Texas in August... | 20:17 |
| sbalukoff | rm_mobile: Wait, what? | 20:17 |
| rm_mobile | ... moved -> moving | 20:17 |
| dougwig | latter half of august, pretty please. | 20:17 |
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| * xgerman will look tm_work up when in Seattle | 20:17 | |
| rm_mobile | Driving through NM currently almost to UT | 20:17 |
| sbalukoff | dougwig: Week of the 22nd of August? | 20:18 |
| sbalukoff | rm_mobile: I love the roads there. :) | 20:18 |
| sbalukoff | They're fun on a bike. | 20:18 |
| xgerman | lol | 20:18 |
| rm_mobile | Yeah it's crazy nice out right now and I'm in a convertible :P | 20:18 |
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| blogan | rm_mobile: get off your phone while driving | 20:19 |
| TrevorV_ | Depending on when in August, I may not be able to attend | 20:19 |
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| blogan | august-december is a no go for me | 20:19 |
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| rm_mobile | I'm on my off shift for driving | 20:20 |
| rm_mobile | Surprised internet connection is holding up... | 20:20 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: Any time in August? | 20:20 |
| dougwig | sbalukoff: i suppose that could work, though i'll be flying from ireland to the lbaas one. | 20:20 |
| dougwig | :) | 20:20 |
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| blogan | sbalukoff: babies could come anytime in august | 20:20 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: right. | 20:20 |
| * johnsom think dougwig will be in charge of the beer.... | 20:21 | |
| xgerman | blogan: congrats | 20:21 |
| rm_mobile | Too early in August could be problematic for me | 20:21 |
| sbalukoff | July is crappy for me. | 20:21 |
| sbalukoff | But I can do any time in August. | 20:21 |
| dougwig | late june? | 20:21 |
| blogan | dougwig: thought you couldn't make the ireland one | 20:21 |
| rm_mobile | Oh yeah July is 100% out for me | 20:21 |
| sbalukoff | dougwig: So... like 3 weeks from now? | 20:21 |
| dougwig | week of the 20th? | 20:21 |
| dougwig | blogan: it got moved, so i can. | 20:22 |
| blogan | don't make the date insane on account of me | 20:22 |
| dougwig | week of june 20th, i mean? | 20:22 |
| blogan | dougwig: didn't think thsoe 2 days would make a difference | 20:22 |
| rm_mobile | I could do late June if it's up north I think | 20:22 |
| sbalukoff | I could potentially do the week of June 20. I was hoping to give the folks working on active-active more time, though. | 20:22 |
| sbalukoff | (Not that they're asking me for it, or anything... I don't actually know their state of readiness.) | 20:23 |
| blogan | thats probably too soon for most folks | 20:23 |
| johnsom | I may be busy the week of June 20th, though it's not clear whether I will be able to travel | 20:23 |
| sg | sbalukoff: quite low.. | 20:23 |
| dougwig | so it's latter half of june (to give us 14 day on tickets), or way out there? | 20:23 |
| sbalukoff | sg: Oh, cool! Are you one of the ones working on it? (Sorry, don't recognize the IRC handle) | 20:23 |
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| sbalukoff | dougwig: Sounds like it. And way out there will exclude blogan. | 20:24 |
| sbalukoff | dougwig: but would probably be better for the active-active work. | 20:24 |
| xgerman | unless Texas? | 20:24 |
| TrevorV_ | Don't forget, blogan is Neutron, not LBaaS for the most part. | 20:24 |
| dougwig | sbalukoff: there could be two. | 20:24 |
| TrevorV_ | Just to clear up that necessity | 20:24 |
| blogan | i'm all the things | 20:24 |
| blogan | bad at all the things | 20:24 |
| sbalukoff | xgerman: I'm willing to do Texas in August. I hear they have air conditioning technology. | 20:25 |
| johnsom | Haha | 20:25 |
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| * TrevorV_ hates Texas with the same burning passion pavement has on my feet during the summer | 20:25 | |
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| sg | sbalukoff: ahm... I'm close to the team | 20:25 |
| sg | (name's "Sergey") | 20:26 |
| sbalukoff | sg: Cool. What's your name? | 20:26 |
| sbalukoff | Oh! | 20:26 |
| sbalukoff | Ok. | 20:26 |
| dougwig | texas is good by me. | 20:26 |
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| TrevorV_ | We just hosted. Someone else's turn, remember? | 20:26 |
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| TrevorV_ | Texas in the winter, elsewhere in the summer? | 20:27 |
| TrevorV_ | We talked aboutt his. | 20:27 |
| TrevorV_ | about this*** | 20:27 |
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| sbalukoff | How many of you, seriously, would go to Boise during the weeks of June 22 or June 27? | 20:27 |
| TrevorV_ | o/ | 20:27 |
| rm_mobile | I could | 20:28 |
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| TrevorV_ | sbalukoff that's a joke... I don't think we can be approved that fast. | 20:28 |
| TrevorV_ | We'd have to talk to our manager | 20:28 |
| rm_mobile | I'd road trip with sbalukoff | 20:28 |
| sbalukoff | Haha! | 20:28 |
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| dougwig | i'd go! :) | 20:29 |
| sbalukoff | I'd offer to host in Seattle, but Blue Box's offices are crowded as hell right now because they keep hiring and the move-in date for the new digs has been pushed back to next January. | 20:29 |
| dougwig | depending on how many, we can either use our conference room, or i'll book one of the ballrooms downstairs. | 20:30 |
| TrevorV_ | sbalukoff I thought your family had a house or something that hosts like 10000 people | 20:30 |
| sbalukoff | Ok, being serious again: Is June 22 or June 27 too soon to be feasible (for getting approval) for RAX folks? If y'all hosted it in San Antonio, would that make a difference? | 20:30 |
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| TrevorV_ | sbalukoff maybe. | 20:31 |
| sbalukoff | TrevorV_: Yep, assuming they're cool with having a bunch of nerds there during the day for a week, they've got more than enough room to host us. | 20:31 |
| rm_mobile | I wouldn't want to do SAT in June honestly <_< | 20:31 |
| TrevorV_ | Since we've always rotated it I didn't start that conversation for us hosting. | 20:31 |
| TrevorV_ | I can ask. | 20:31 |
| rm_mobile | But maybe | 20:31 |
| TrevorV_ | I will say this, with me "asking", we might not be sure until next week, which would push the date again, so I'd say its probably best to say August | 20:32 |
| rm_mobile | I'm literally right now in the process of escaping Texas for the northwest | 20:32 |
| johnsom | Ok, in light of time for other topics, please vote on the etherpad | 20:32 |
| rm_mobile | Yeah probably a written vote would be best | 20:32 |
| johnsom | The PNW is really nice right now (as long as you don't have grass alergies) | 20:32 |
| johnsom | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/lbaas-octavia-newton-midcycle | 20:32 |
| johnsom | #topic Active-active topology stuff | 20:33 |
| sbalukoff | I'm honestly not sure what we'd have to review by the end of June though. I mean-- we could just work through outstanding patches and bug reports... but again, I'd kinda like to see us merging active-active code then, assuming it's in ready-enough state. | 20:33 |
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| johnsom | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-June/096393.html | 20:33 |
| johnsom | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/234639/ | 20:33 |
| johnsom | Someone added this, please have the floor.... | 20:33 |
| sbalukoff | That was me. | 20:33 |
| sg | yes, I was hoping to "buy a cheap ticket" for the virtual d'tor with that one | 20:34 |
| sbalukoff | However, sg or eranra, would you like to have the floor instead of me? | 20:34 |
| sg | it would be great to hear more people's say | 20:34 |
| sg | I'm going to respond to sbalukoff email on the thread later though | 20:34 |
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| sbalukoff | Ok, on that front, I wanted to say: I feel like IBM is throwing enough resources at the active-active feature to make it a reality in Newton. However, just like with the L7 stuff, it's going to take others reviewing stuff to make it a reality. | 20:35 |
| sbalukoff | I apologize I've not done much on the reviews there myself (until this week, actually)... | 20:35 |
| johnsom | Wow, throwing down the gauntlet... | 20:35 |
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| sbalukoff | Haha! | 20:35 |
| sbalukoff | But my thought here wasn't to accuse or anything... | 20:35 |
| sbalukoff | It's just to raise awareness... | 20:35 |
| johnsom | Well, this is a huge change, I REALLY don't want this to be a up to the minute thing | 20:36 |
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| eranra | We need to get the blueprints reviewed | 20:36 |
| sbalukoff | That there are going to be a lot of medium-to-large patches to make this stuff happen. And if we want to get this in for Newton, we need to give ourselves enough time to work through the problems we're inevitably going to encounter. | 20:36 |
| johnsom | This means docs too as I think there is going to be some additional setup required | 20:36 |
| sbalukoff | johnsom: Agreed! | 20:36 |
| sbalukoff | There's already some code up for people to have a look at. And I think the blueprint is pretty close to being ready for merge. | 20:37 |
| sbalukoff | (Added a bunch of notes today to it, but they're all pretty minor-- I think active-active N+1 is designed well enough now in that document to merge.) | 20:37 |
| johnsom | sbalukoff Have you +#'d the spec? | 20:37 |
| sbalukoff | johnsom: I -1'ed it today. | 20:37 |
| johnsom | Ok | 20:38 |
| sbalukoff | But I expect my minor concerns will be addressed quickly | 20:38 |
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| johnsom | Things have been a bit challenging in my world recently, but I will make sure it is at the top of my list | 20:38 |
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| sbalukoff | So yeah-- by all means if you've not had a look at the blueprint in a while, please have a look! | 20:39 |
| sbalukoff | Thanks! | 20:39 |
| johnsom | Especially as we have code starting to go up for review | 20:39 |
| sbalukoff | Yep! | 20:39 |
| sbalukoff | That was my thought too. And I totally understand having other concerns vying for your time as well. | 20:39 |
| sbalukoff | So... yeah. | 20:40 |
| johnsom | Ok. Any other comments/questions? | 20:40 |
| sbalukoff | I think that's all I had to say about active-active at this time. But you can probably expect to see me bugging people for reviews and stuff on it. :) | 20:41 |
| eranra | Containers plans? | 20:41 |
| johnsom | Yes, good plan. | 20:41 |
| TrevorV_ | I just want to recap something on the front of "can we review this" that I want to see single-create in before something like ACTIVE-ACTIVE goes in, especially since its literally waiting on a second +2 | 20:41 |
| johnsom | Ok, next topic | 20:41 |
| johnsom | #topic Open Discussion | 20:41 |
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| sbalukoff | TrevorV_: +1 | 20:41 |
| sbalukoff | TrevorV_: I think we can absolutely make that happen. | 20:41 |
| TrevorV_ | I'm really hoping so ha ha | 20:41 |
| johnsom | Yeah, getting single create/single delete wrapped up is a priority as well. | 20:41 |
| johnsom | I am worried about the client patches getting rejected in favor of OSC work | 20:42 |
| sbalukoff | TrevorV_: It's already there in Octavia, eh. And Neutron-LBaaS isn't getting active-active (since topology stuff is behind-the-scenes for N-LBaaS) | 20:42 |
| sbalukoff | johnsom: If the API lands, I think we have time to figure out the CLI stuff. | 20:43 |
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| sbalukoff | And again, that work should be orthogonal to the active-active work. | 20:43 |
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| johnsom | Yes, there is a client patch already. There are comments on it about blocking it in favor of openstack client... I want to head that off | 20:43 |
| sbalukoff | johnsom: Ok! | 20:43 |
| johnsom | So, once the api is cook, client is quick | 20:44 |
| sbalukoff | Yep. | 20:44 |
| johnsom | Ok, I think eranra asked about containers. | 20:44 |
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| johnsom | Yes, please, containers would be great! girn | 20:45 |
| johnsom | Some work started on that. I'm not sure the current state. | 20:45 |
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| sbalukoff | So my thought was that magnum isn't great, because it ignores our use case: The whole point of containers for us is speed and footprint. And that means not running your containers inside of a VM. :P | 20:45 |
| sbalukoff | But... isn't there another project that doesn't do that that recently started to gain momentum? | 20:45 |
| blogan | nova lxc? | 20:45 |
| johnsom | Yeah, there are some nova extensions. | 20:46 |
| sbalukoff | Ergh... there was an internal e-mail thread I had with some other IBMers about it recently. Trying to remember the project name. | 20:46 |
| blogan | and using magnum would help some if we just spun up one VM before the tests | 20:46 |
| johnsom | I haven't kept up with kuryr to see how far they have come with the networking issues | 20:46 |
| sbalukoff | Oh! Higgins! | 20:46 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: I'm certainly not vetoing working with Magnum if people want to do that. | 20:47 |
| eranra | Also lower footprint when n+1 will start working. So | 20:47 |
| rm_mobile | Kubernetes | 20:47 |
| johnsom | A reference to Magnum PI? | 20:47 |
| rm_mobile | ? :P | 20:47 |
| johnsom | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Higgins | 20:47 |
| sg | has anyone tested the KVM overhead impact on haproxy by any chance? | 20:48 |
| dougwig | sbalukoff: are you referring to the canonical nova-compute-lxd driver? | 20:48 |
| sbalukoff | johnsom: Yep, that's it. | 20:48 |
| sbalukoff | dougwig: No, I was talking about Higgins. | 20:48 |
| fnaval | lol i remember that | 20:48 |
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| rm_mobile | Nah Magnum is kinda dumb... | 20:48 |
| dougwig | so that is going to fulfill the use case of "lightweight VM" that nova and everyone else is ignoring? | 20:48 |
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| sbalukoff | Higgins sounds like a better fit for our use case. I can start poking around to see if I can find out how close they are to having something usable. | 20:49 |
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| johnsom | Higgins seems very new-ish. Started meetings last month it looks like | 20:49 |
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| sbalukoff | dougwig: That's the idea. Also, manage containers like other openstack resources, instead of managing a container management framework like Magnum does. | 20:49 |
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| xgerman | well, most container people swear on kubernetes | 20:49 |
| rm_mobile | I still don't understand why anyone would want what Magnum provides... ever... | 20:50 |
| johnsom | swear at or on? | 20:50 |
| sbalukoff | Haha! | 20:50 |
| Frito | lol | 20:50 |
| xgerman | rm_mobile a vm you can have on OpenStack, amazon, etc. increases portability | 20:50 |
| sg | I suspect containers might not be perfect for haproxy, as it spends a lot of time in kernel | 20:50 |
| sbalukoff | I'll plan on lurking in a couple Higgins meetings in the next week or two to start feeling out the waters there. | 20:50 |
| sg | and that requires kernel fine tuning | 20:50 |
| xgerman | then there is that | 20:50 |
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| rm_mobile | Well, deployers can make dedicated cells for container hosts that have the necessary tweaks | 20:51 |
| rm_mobile | That was our plan | 20:51 |
| sbalukoff | Yep. | 20:51 |
| sg | I see | 20:51 |
| johnsom | Cool, I would like to hear an update on Higgins, so maybe sbalukoff can have an agenda item next week | 20:51 |
| sbalukoff | Ok! | 20:52 |
| blogan | waht about the migration from nlbaas to octavia/ | 20:52 |
| blogan | ? | 20:52 |
| blogan | well the gap filling | 20:52 |
| blogan | tahts a big chunk of work to do | 20:52 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: Yep, we need to do that, too. :P | 20:52 |
| johnsom | Ah yes. The other chunk of stuff we need to at least make good progress on for Newton | 20:52 |
| blogan | dougwig: thoughts, any news? | 20:53 |
| blogan | dougwig: we were supposed to spend a day hammering out your driver | 20:53 |
| sbalukoff | It would be nice to have a prioritized list of stuff to work off of... especially as we recruit new people to work on stuff, to know how they can be most effective for the project. | 20:53 |
| dougwig | sorry, i've been buried. i will update the spec tomorrow. | 20:53 |
| dougwig | blogan: can we put some time on the calendar for that? | 20:53 |
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| sbalukoff | johnsom: Would you mind putting together an etherpad on that? | 20:53 |
| dougwig | (the driver) | 20:53 |
| TrevorV_ | I'll be working on those bits as soon as "life" calms down for me. | 20:53 |
| blogan | dougwig: yes, what calendar? | 20:53 |
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| sbalukoff | johnsom: Like a "stuff that's on the radar, prioritized" or something? | 20:53 |
| dougwig | didn't blogan have a spec for the details of what to do in octavia? | 20:54 |
| johnsom | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/lbaas-octavia-newton-priorities | 20:54 |
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| sbalukoff | johnsom: I can take a stab at an initial version of that if you want, but I feel like you've got a better over-arching view of Octavia + Neutron-LBaaS :) | 20:54 |
| sbalukoff | Oh, nice! | 20:54 |
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| johnsom | sbalukoff If you could please take a start I will help as I can | 20:55 |
| sbalukoff | johnsom: Will do! | 20:55 |
| johnsom | sbalukoff Thanks! | 20:55 |
| sbalukoff | #action sbalukoff to creep up on Higgins people and check them out | 20:55 |
| sbalukoff | #action sbalukoff to take initial stab at prioritized list of Octavia Newton priorities. | 20:55 |
| dougwig | phrasing. | 20:55 |
| TrevorV_ | Best phrasing | 20:56 |
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| sbalukoff | :D | 20:56 |
| sg | lol | 20:56 |
| blogan | sbalukoff: i do have a spec out in the wild with the list of things to be done | 20:56 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: Yay! | 20:57 |
| blogan | and its grouped by MUST and OPTIONAL | 20:57 |
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| sbalukoff | blogan: Link again, please? | 20:57 |
| rm_mobile | https://imgur.com/3wOVnEV <- taken about 60 seconds ago | 20:57 |
| blogan | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/310667/ | 20:57 |
| TrevorV_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/310667/ | 20:57 |
| TrevorV_ | DAMMIT | 20:57 |
| blogan | first! | 20:57 |
| TrevorV_ | he BARELY beat me | 20:57 |
| blogan | no one pastes me links of my links to myself but myself | 20:57 |
| johnsom | I see where rm_mobile's priorities are... | 20:57 |
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| sbalukoff | blogan: Do you think this might be something better kept in an etherpad? | 20:58 |
| sbalukoff | Or... meh? | 20:58 |
| blogan | rm_mobile: i could have used not seeing your face today | 20:58 |
| fnaval | heh | 20:58 |
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| TrevorV_ | sbalukoff we can have the spec, but then have the actual progress tracked in the etherpad, right? | 20:58 |
| Frito | blogan: what you don't realize is it's now your desktop background! | 20:58 |
| sbalukoff | Oh! | 20:58 |
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| blogan | sbalukoff: i think its good as a spec so we can all agree on it, then we cna transfer to etherpad to start checking the items off | 20:58 |
| sbalukoff | Wait, that spec covers just the gaps. | 20:58 |
| TrevorV_ | sbalukoff that's for parity, yeah | 20:59 |
| sbalukoff | Ok, so that will be something that goes into a list of 'all the shit we're working on' | 20:59 |
| blogan | Frito: nooo | 20:59 |
| xgerman | T-1 | 20:59 |
| Frito | coming up on time | 20:59 |
| Frito | ha | 20:59 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: Ok, I'll link to your spec on the etherpad. | 20:59 |
| rm_mobile | Later all, disconnecting :P | 20:59 |
| blogan | sbalukoff: read through it too and see if you see anything wrong or missing | 20:59 |
| sbalukoff | I have a hard stop at 2:00, so I'll get on that later this afternoon / evening. | 20:59 |
| rm_mobile | Soon: Utah | 20:59 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: will do! | 20:59 |
| sbalukoff | Ok, out of time. | 20:59 |
| sbalukoff | thanks folks! | 20:59 |
| xgerman | no Internet in Utah? | 20:59 |
| fnaval | thanks! | 21:00 |
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| sg | thanks) | 21:00 |
| xgerman | o/ | 21:00 |
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| TrevorV_ | \o | 21:00 |
| Frito | later all | 21:00 |
| eranra | Night | 21:00 |
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| johnsom | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 1 21:00:44 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2016/octavia.2016-06-01-20.00.html | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2016/octavia.2016-06-01-20.00.txt | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2016/octavia.2016-06-01-20.00.log.html | 21:00 |
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| johnsom | Yep. Sorry, working on the etherpad. Thanks everyone! | 21:01 |
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