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| Swami | hi | 15:00 |
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| haleyb | hi | 15:00 |
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| haleyb | #startmeeting neutron_dvr | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 11 15:01:19 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is haleyb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_dvr)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_dvr' | 15:01 |
| haleyb | #chair Swami | 15:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: Swami haleyb | 15:01 |
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| Swami | Any announcements | 15:02 |
| Swami | Is anyone else in here apart from us. | 15:02 |
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| haleyb | Meeting commands | 15:03 |
| haleyb | #startmeeting neutron_dvr | 15:03 |
| openstack | haleyb: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 15:03 |
| haleyb | doh, | 15:03 |
| haleyb | #topic Announcements | 15:03 |
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| haleyb | first announcment: will be a short meeting | 15:03 |
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| Swami | Yes it would be short today, since we don't have any new bugs to discuss. | 15:04 |
| haleyb | #topic Bugs | 15:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: neutron_dvr)" | 15:04 | |
| Swami | yes, this week we don't have any new bugs filed. | 15:05 |
| Swami | We have closed couple of bugs last week. | 15:05 |
| Swami | Still couple of patches to be merged. | 15:05 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300268/12 | 15:06 |
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| Swami | haleyb: if you get a chance can you take a look at this patch. It seems the functional test is passing in my local environment but failing in the jenkins. | 15:06 |
| haleyb | i'll look once i see a jenkins vote, since even a -1 will help with diagnosing the functional test issue | 15:07 |
| Swami | I am not sure what is causing it to fail just in the jenkins. | 15:07 |
| Swami | yes, this is just the new test that I added for this patch. | 15:07 |
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| Swami | haleyb: I also need you take a look at this patch. | 15:08 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300358/ | 15:08 |
| haleyb | the functional test is 50% failure now, so i'm going to raise that issue | 15:08 |
| Swami | haleyb: ok makesense | 15:08 |
| haleyb | i'll take a look at the other too | 15:08 |
| Swami | haleyb: thanks | 15:09 |
| Swami | haleyb: I don't have any other bugs to discuss. | 15:09 |
| haleyb | anyone else have bugs? | 15:09 |
| * haleyb realizes that's a rhetorical question with just the two of us | 15:10 | |
| haleyb | #topic Gate failures | 15:10 |
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| haleyb | Most of our patches have been tripping over the functional test instability, will raise that to a higher power right after meeting | 15:10 |
| Swami | haleyb: great that would help. | 15:11 |
| haleyb | #topic Open discussion | 15:11 |
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| haleyb | Any other issues? If not this will be a short meeting | 15:11 |
| Swami | don't have anything in my list. | 15:11 |
| * haleyb waits one minute, but hears only crickets | 15:12 | |
| haleyb | alright, thanks Swami | 15:12 |
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| haleyb | #endmeeting | 15:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:13 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 11 15:13:02 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:13 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_dvr/2016/neutron_dvr.2016-05-11-15.01.html | 15:13 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_dvr/2016/neutron_dvr.2016-05-11-15.01.txt | 15:13 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_dvr/2016/neutron_dvr.2016-05-11-15.01.log.html | 15:13 |
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| Swami | bye | 15:13 |
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| Sukhdev | Hello ML2 folks | 16:00 |
| Sukhdev | time for ML2 meeting | 16:00 |
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| Sukhdev | #startmeeting networking_ml2 | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 11 16:00:54 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Sukhdev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_ml2' | 16:00 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Agenda | 16:01 |
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| Sukhdev | #link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2#Meeting_May_11.2C_2016 | 16:01 |
| Sukhdev | who is here to attend ML2 meeting this morning - I do not see usual suspects on the channel | 16:02 |
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| sadasu | Hello! | 16:03 |
| Sukhdev | sadasu : hi | 16:03 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Announcements | 16:03 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura is running late this morning | 16:04 |
| Sukhdev | Anybody has any announcement to make? | 16:04 |
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| yamahata | hello | 16:05 |
| Sukhdev | yamahata : hi | 16:05 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: ML2 Charter for Newton | 16:06 |
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| Sukhdev | Based upon discussion last week following two Items I added to the agenda | 16:06 |
| Sukhdev | Trunked ports integration with ML2 | 16:07 |
| Sukhdev | Integration of the segments service plugin with ML2 | 16:07 |
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| amotoki | hi | 16:08 |
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| Sukhdev | did I miss anything or would anybody like to see this team cover anything additional for this release cycle? | 16:08 |
| Sukhdev | amotoki : hi | 16:08 |
| amotoki | regarding trunk port support, after the discussion at austin, we need an response from mechanism drivers for trunk port | 16:10 |
| amotoki | so i think it fits ML2 part. | 16:10 |
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| rkukura | Hi - sorry I’m late | 16:10 |
| amotoki | it includes an interface definition or possible more. | 16:10 |
| Sukhdev | amotoki : correct - that is why I think we need to drive this in this team | 16:11 |
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| Sukhdev | amotoki : other than Rosella, is there anybody else who should we be discussing this with? | 16:12 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura : hi | 16:12 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: Sounds like routed networks? | 16:13 |
| amotoki | Sukhdev: i think rosella and armando are stakeholders and sponsor cores. | 16:13 |
| amotoki | I believe all of them are on board. you can count me too. | 16:13 |
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| rkukura | or still on trunked ports? | 16:14 |
| Sukhdev | yes, we all were there on Friday had an excellent discussion - so, we are good to go on that front | 16:14 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura : trunked ports | 16:14 |
| amotoki | rkukura: discussing the charter of the team | 16:15 |
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| Sukhdev | I will follow up with rosella off line and get the status as to where she is and update the team | 16:15 |
| Sukhdev | Next Item on the charter - | 16:16 |
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| Sukhdev | Integration of the Segments service plugin with ML2 - | 16:16 |
| Sukhdev | carl_baldwin : are you here | 16:16 |
| carl_baldwin | Sukhdev: I'm about 20% here. :) | 16:16 |
| Sukhdev | we'll take it :-) | 16:17 |
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| Sukhdev | carl_baldwin: based upon discussion in Friday's session in Austin, I updated the RFE | 16:17 |
| Sukhdev | for the manila-neutron integration use case | 16:18 |
| carl_baldwin | Sukhdev: Do you happen to have a link to that RFE handy? | 16:18 |
| Sukhdev | just a sec - looking | 16:18 |
| Sukhdev | carl_baldwin : https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1573197 | 16:18 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1573197 in neutron "[RFE] Neutron API enhancement for visibility into multi-segmented networks" [Undecided,Incomplete] | 16:18 |
| Sukhdev | #link: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1573197 | 16:19 |
| carl_baldwin | Thanks, I'll take a look. | 16:19 |
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| amotoki | re: routed networks, i wonder which is better, ML2 folks join the meeting specific to routed network, or discuss routed network support in ML2 meeting. | 16:20 |
| amotoki | thought? | 16:20 |
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| carl_baldwin | amotoki: That's a good question. | 16:20 |
| carl_baldwin | We came up with some things to discuss yesterday in our meeting. I imagine there will be a small group of ML2ers that could help us out with that discussion. | 16:21 |
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| Sukhdev | carl_baldwin : when does routed network meeting takes place? | 16:22 |
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| amotoki | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#Neutron_Routed_Networks_Meeting | 16:22 |
| carl_baldwin | Sukhdev: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-Routed-Networks | 16:22 |
| carl_baldwin | amotoki: Thanks. | 16:22 |
| carl_baldwin | Sukhdev: Be careful, the meeting alternates each week, mostly due to the Neutron meeting alternating around the same time. | 16:23 |
| Sukhdev | carl_baldwin : it is not PST friendly :-), but, I will try to attend | 16:23 |
| carl_baldwin | Basically, what we're looking for is some discussion around integrating the segments service plugin with ML2. Mainly to create and delete segments on an existing networ. | 16:24 |
| amotoki | IMHO it would be best if all folks interested in the effort can join the routed network meeting. | 16:24 |
| carl_baldwin | network. | 16:24 |
| Sukhdev | I will start to attend the routed network meeting and then update the ML2 team about the status | 16:25 |
| carl_baldwin | Agreed, it is early for PST. Maybe I could start an ML thread to start out with. Then, if we need higher bandwidth, we can catch the next routed networks meeting that starts at 1500. | 16:25 |
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| rkukura | I will try to as well, or at least read the minutes. | 16:25 |
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| carl_baldwin | rkukura: Sukhdev: That would be great. | 16:26 |
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| Sukhdev | carl_baldwin : yes that makes sense - | 16:26 |
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| carl_baldwin | Watch for an email with [Neutron][ML2] in the next 24 hours. | 16:26 |
| carl_baldwin | Maybe [Routed Networks] too. | 16:26 |
| Sukhdev | carl_baldwin: sounds good - will do | 16:27 |
| carl_baldwin | It isn't the most urgent thing on our agenda. But, you know how the cycle slips by if you put things off for too long. | 16:27 |
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| andreas_s | I have a question on that | 16:28 |
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| andreas_s | at the summit we discussed also the multi port binding stuff | 16:28 |
| andreas_s | do you think this is a combined effort? | 16:28 |
| andreas_s | externalizing the segemtns and externalising multiple bindings? | 16:28 |
| andreas_s | #link https://review.openstack.org/309416 | 16:28 |
| andreas_s | there's this spec for multiple portbinding (which I still need to update...) | 16:29 |
| rkukura | I see those as orthogonal | 16:29 |
| andreas_s | ok, so keep them separated? | 16:30 |
| Sukhdev | andreas_s : I have not see this spec earlier - does it propose a multi-segmented networks to achieve multi-port binding? | 16:30 |
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| rkukura | I had not seen the spec either, so my comment may be premature | 16:31 |
| andreas_s | Sukhdev, That's basically what we discussed at the Fridays meetup | 16:31 |
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| andreas_s | the conclusion was to have a new subresource or so for a port | 16:31 |
| rkukura | I think the multi-segment should provider read/write access to the static segments of a network, and also read access to the dynamic segments, which get created during port binding | 16:32 |
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| rkukura | But the exact details of the port binding, especially for a distributed port, are more than that | 16:32 |
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| amotoki | i think you first need to file RFE to clarify what we need. what does multi-port binding bring to users? | 16:33 |
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| Sukhdev | andreas_s : let me review this spec and then we can decide if these are different or same | 16:33 |
| Sukhdev | amotoki : +1 | 16:33 |
| andreas_s | Sukhdev, ok thanks - please keep in mind - it does not reflect the state after our summit discussion | 16:34 |
| andreas_s | Sukhdev, I sitll have the todo to update it... | 16:34 |
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| andreas_s | Let me ping you as soon as I did it | 16:34 |
| Sukhdev | andreas_s : understood - also, as amotoki points, can you please file an RFE as well? | 16:35 |
| rkukura | andreas_s: please let me know as well | 16:35 |
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| andreas_s | hopefully end of this week | 16:35 |
| andreas_s | yep will do and create a rfe | 16:35 |
| Sukhdev | sounds good | 16:35 |
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| andreas_s | by the way I'm scheuran - I decided to change my irc nick to something more obvoius ;) | 16:36 |
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| Sukhdev | andreas_s : I noticed - It was good meeting you in person in Austin | 16:36 |
| andreas_s | Sukhdev, definitively! | 16:37 |
| Sukhdev | So, continuing our discussion on the team charter - | 16:37 |
| Sukhdev | we covered three items so far | 16:38 |
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| Sukhdev | can anybody think of anything else that this team should be driving for Newton? | 16:38 |
| amotoki | do we need to cover baremetal and manila stuffs here? | 16:38 |
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| amotoki | i am not sure what we need to do but you Sukhdev knows more :) | 16:39 |
| Sukhdev | amotoki : we have weekly meetings to cover baremetal (ironic-neutron) meeting | 16:39 |
| amotoki | i know. | 16:39 |
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| amotoki | so there is no or few ml2 specific topics. right? | 16:40 |
| Sukhdev | and, for item manila, the RFE that I posted should cover it | 16:40 |
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| Sukhdev | amotoki : yes, it seems like we are down to 2 or 3 topics :-) | 16:41 |
| amotoki | sounds good to me. thanks for clarification | 16:41 |
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| Sukhdev | Moving right along the agenda | 16:42 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Bugs | 16:43 |
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| Sukhdev | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2#Meeting_May_11.2C_2016 | 16:43 |
| Sukhdev | andreas_s : you had added this to the agenda - is there anything you want to discuss about it? | 16:43 |
| andreas_s | Sukhdev, no, just make your aware of this... | 16:44 |
| Sukhdev | opps - sorry - wrong link | 16:44 |
| Sukhdev | https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1567792 | 16:44 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1567792 in openstack-manuals "Mitaka Configuration Reference Nework section is missing ML2 parameters" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 16:44 |
| Sukhdev | andreas_s : thanks | 16:44 |
| andreas_s | I try to work on that... to get it fixed | 16:45 |
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| Sukhdev | andreas_s : let us know if you need any help with this | 16:45 |
| andreas_s | sure, thanks! | 16:45 |
| Sukhdev | moving right along | 16:45 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Open Discussion | 16:45 |
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| Sukhdev | carl_baldwin : you wanted to discuss the routed network items here | 16:46 |
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| Sukhdev | carl_baldwin : this is good time | 16:46 |
| carl_baldwin | Sukhdev: I think we'll start with the ML as discussed above. | 16:46 |
| carl_baldwin | Unless someone has some thoughts about create / delete segments now. | 16:47 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura : any thoughts? | 16:47 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: I think starting with the ML makes sense | 16:48 |
| Sukhdev | sounds good | 16:48 |
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| Sukhdev | carl_baldwin : look forward to an email from you then | 16:48 |
| Sukhdev | Anybody wants to discuss anything - this is Open Discussion time | 16:49 |
| Sukhdev | silence is golden - it also means that we are done | 16:50 |
| Sukhdev | Thanks folks for attending today's meeting | 16:50 |
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| rkukura | thanks Sukhdev! | 16:50 |
| Sukhdev | bye | 16:51 |
| carl_baldwin | bye and thanks! | 16:51 |
| amotoki | thanks | 16:51 |
| rkukura | bye | 16:51 |
| Sukhdev | #endmeeting | 16:51 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 11 16:51:26 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2016/networking_ml2.2016-05-11-16.00.html | 16:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2016/networking_ml2.2016-05-11-16.00.txt | 16:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2016/networking_ml2.2016-05-11-16.00.log.html | 16:51 |
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| andreas_s | bye | 16:53 |
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| mugsie | #startmeeting Designate | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 11 17:01:08 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mugsie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Designate)" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'designate' | 17:01 |
| mugsie | #topic Roll Call | 17:01 |
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| mugsie | so - whos here? | 17:01 |
| timsim | o/ | 17:01 |
| rsyed | o/ | 17:01 |
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| jhfeng | o/ | 17:01 |
| mugsie | will we wait, or is there a Joe meeting happening? | 17:02 |
| rsyed | no meeting this week! | 17:02 |
| mugsie | Kiall is afk today - something about power surges and some switches and a router | 17:02 |
| mugsie | #topic Announcements | 17:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: Designate)" | 17:03 | |
| mugsie | I sent my summit recap to the list | 17:03 |
| mugsie | if you think I missed anything please reply and update it | 17:03 |
| mugsie | it is also here - http://graham.hayes.ie/posts/designate-newton-design-summit/ | 17:03 |
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| mugsie | The stable/(mitaka|liberty) gates are currently blocked | 17:04 |
| mugsie | waiting for requirements cores to +A https://review.openstack.org/#/q/Ib3849cd5c0f4908c0b19787ed84891d7a49f63e1,n,z | 17:04 |
| mugsie | any other anouncements? | 17:04 |
| mugsie | OK then | 17:05 |
| mugsie | #topic Bug Triage (timsim - recurring) | 17:05 |
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| timsim | https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1578199 | 17:05 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1578199 in Designate "Designate cannot listen for notifications in different RabbitMQ vhosts" [Undecided,New] | 17:05 |
| timsim | sink :| | 17:06 |
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| timsim | Is that something you could change in a handler, or would it require a sink change? | 17:06 |
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| mugsie | it requires a olso messaging change afaik | 17:07 |
| mugsie | but at the very least it is a sink change | 17:07 |
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| timsim | Sounds like a won't fix, or a feature request | 17:07 |
| mugsie | feature request | 17:08 |
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| timsim | I'll tell them to file a blueprint? | 17:08 |
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| mugsie | yeah | 17:08 |
| timsim | https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1580014 | 17:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1580014 in Designate "zone_name attribute is not set in Response body of REST API call for creation of zone transfer request." [Undecided,New] | 17:08 |
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| mugsie | it is an issue | 17:09 |
| mugsie | m, n1 | 17:09 |
| timsim | k | 17:09 |
| timsim | That's it | 17:09 |
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| mugsie | cool | 17:10 |
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| mugsie | I am going to push stable back port, as we have broken gates right now | 17:10 |
| mugsie | #action mugsie do stable backport for 4 weeks | 17:10 |
| mugsie | #topic Open Discussion | 17:11 |
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| mugsie | anyone have any thoughts, ideas, dreams? or just any topics to talk about? | 17:11 |
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| mugsie | there is talk in #openstack-dev about Golang right now as a heads up | 17:12 |
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| rsyed | nice job driving the golang conversation forward! | 17:12 |
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| mugsie | well, apparently I have not been doing a good enough job | 17:12 |
| timsim | I'm working on a reply to that ML post about speeding up the python bits | 17:12 |
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| mugsie | so, will need to instrment some code and show where and why | 17:13 |
| mugsie | and, sure isn't youtube writen in python? | 17:13 |
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| timsim | Don't you wan to spend your months optimizing your python code to death when you could just write naive code that was just as fast? | 17:14 |
| mugsie | yeah | 17:14 |
| * timsim jumps off a bridge | 17:14 | |
| mugsie | we do need to articulate that the cost to the community is worth it technically | 17:14 |
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| notmyname | have you considered thinking harder about the problem or using a profiler? ;-) | 17:14 |
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| mugsie | notmyname: :) | 17:15 |
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| timsim | I'll address that in an upcoming post | 17:15 |
| timsim | But | 17:15 |
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| mugsie | I honestly thing the bottleneck is the dns.record.from_text().to_wire() | 17:15 |
| timsim | There are certainly areas that you could make the current code 4-5 times faster | 17:15 |
| mugsie | but I need to find a way to prove that | 17:15 |
| mugsie | timsim: 100% | 17:15 |
| mugsie | but I think having something that is 10-50x faster out of the gate is better | 17:16 |
| timsim | But without significant effort, adding a cache (that will be almost constantly invalid), you still won't get even close to the naive go version | 17:16 |
| mugsie | we may need to run them in parallel for a while (python + go_ | 17:16 |
| mugsie | the deprecation we talked about might need to change | 17:16 |
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| mugsie | we can invalidate the cache from central / pm | 17:16 |
| mugsie | but i think that most cache entries will get used a lot less that assumed in that thread | 17:17 |
| timsim | I'm like 80% to the point of just letting there be a python one, and if you actually want to use the damn thing in production, go use the Go one. | 17:17 |
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| timsim | But I'll do my best to articulate the problem for the community from my point of view | 17:18 |
| mugsie | but we will not be able to host it in openstack, and block changes to designate that break it unless this policy change | 17:18 |
| mugsie | +s | 17:18 |
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| * timsim shrugs. | 17:18 | |
| rsyed | how much of a concern is it that you'd have changes to designate that woudl break it though? knowing the team's intent on supporting the golang implementation | 17:18 |
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| timsim | I guess we can think on it | 17:21 |
| timsim | If this mailing list thread keeps careening toward death | 17:21 |
| mugsie | :) | 17:21 |
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| timsim | Or maybe we can just think harder | 17:22 |
| timsim | ffs | 17:22 |
| timsim | We done? | 17:22 |
| notmyname | timsim: please don't do that (make some golang better implementation that is external and the toy py one part of the community). nobody will win | 17:22 |
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| notmyname | timsim: the ML thread isn't careenign towards death (yet) | 17:22 |
| timsim | notmyname: But I can't have the Go one either right? | 17:23 |
| notmyname | in my experience, this is the natural course of things in openstack. it happened 5+ years ago. it will still happen next year | 17:23 |
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| timsim | What's "this"? | 17:23 |
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| notmyname | IMO this whole debate is about finding and solving (or getting a path to solve) the cross-project and -infra issues for using golang | 17:24 |
| timsim | Bringing up new languages? | 17:24 |
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| mugsie | just how we decide to do things | 17:24 |
| notmyname | "this" being silly ML threads that seem to go on for ages ;-) | 17:24 |
| mugsie | it does look dark for a while | 17:24 |
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| timsim | Dope, well in the meantime, while I've got a product to ship, I can just iterate on the eventual solution inside my company's walls :D | 17:25 |
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| notmyname | somoen wise once told me (when I was frustrated about a different ML thread a years ago): "you know, so many of these problems go away when you have to worry about prod" | 17:26 |
| mugsie | sory, been distracted by -dev | 17:26 |
| mugsie | OK, any other topics? | 17:26 |
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| mugsie | goign once | 17:27 |
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| mugsie | twice | 17:27 |
| mugsie | and - done | 17:27 |
| mugsie | #endmeeting | 17:27 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 11 17:27:22 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:27 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2016/designate.2016-05-11-17.01.html | 17:27 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2016/designate.2016-05-11-17.01.txt | 17:27 |
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| amrith | #startmeeting trove | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 11 18:01:08 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is amrith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: trove)" | 18:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trove' | 18:01 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 18:01 |
| amrith | ./ | 18:01 |
| twm2016 | o/ | 18:01 |
| amrith | let's give folks a couple of minutes to trickle in | 18:01 |
| tellesnobrega | o/ | 18:02 |
| dloi | o/ | 18:02 |
| vkmc | o/ | 18:02 |
| amrith | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting | 18:02 |
| peterstac | `o/o/ | 18:02 |
| amrith | that's new | 18:02 |
| johnma | o/ | 18:02 |
| pmalik | *\o/* | 18:02 |
| mvandijk | ./ | 18:02 |
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| amrith | ok, sounds like a quorum to me, let's get started. | 18:03 |
| amrith | #topic Action items from last week's meeting | 18:03 |
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| amrith | This would have been the meeting a couple of weeks ago | 18:03 |
| amrith | I didn't find any. does anyone remember anything as action items? | 18:03 |
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| amrith | this was the meeting notes from April 20th | 18:04 |
| amrith | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2016/trove.2016-04-20-18.01.txt | 18:04 |
| amrith | I guess not, so if no one has anything from the old meeting, we'll move along. | 18:05 |
| amrith | #topic Trove pulse update | 18:05 |
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| amrith | #link http://bit.ly/1VQyg00 | 18:05 |
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| amrith | the backlog of reviews (queue growht) is certainly related to the summit | 18:06 |
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| amrith | but we do have a number of outstanding reviews, some for over a couple of weeks. | 18:06 |
| amrith | like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/306430/ | 18:07 |
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| amrith | which I'm sure pmackinn would like to see merged | 18:07 |
| amrith | and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300009/ | 18:07 |
| cp16net | howdy | 18:07 |
| amrith | both of which would be good to backport to mitaka quickly | 18:08 |
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| flaper87 | These 2 reviews seem ready to go | 18:08 |
| amrith | so any available cores who can review and approve these (and the dozen or so other changes that need a +1) | 18:08 |
| flaper87 | amrith: quick question re 300009. Any reason why it was not approved after 2 +2s ? | 18:08 |
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| amrith | flaper87, the general rule we've followed in trove is that we won't +1 a change with two +2's from the same company | 18:09 |
| peterstac | I count almost 20 review that are looking for a second +2/WF+1 | 18:09 |
| amrith | rax respected that | 18:09 |
| amrith | hp respects that | 18:09 |
| amrith | we (tesora) do the same | 18:09 |
| amrith | in only very specific cases | 18:09 |
| flaper87 | amrith: gotcha, ok! Makes sense | 18:09 |
| amrith | like a broken build | 18:09 |
| amrith | or something (like peterstac did yesterday) to fix the tests and reduce the mock recursion depth | 18:09 |
| amrith | do we break that rule. | 18:09 |
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| amrith | by agreement, we decided to waive that rule for some changes | 18:09 |
| amrith | those proposed by the proposal bot | 18:09 |
| flaper87 | yeah, I failed to notice the pattern. We used to have that in Glance too. | 18:10 |
| amrith | otherwise, it is a good practice to have a wider review audience | 18:10 |
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| amrith | I assume that there will be situations where the build is broken or something expeditious needs to be done, and a single core can do that. | 18:10 |
| cp16net | +1 | 18:10 |
| amrith | but these changes require some review. | 18:10 |
| flaper87 | +1 | 18:10 |
| amrith | hence you'll see many where peter and I have +2'ed but someone else must +1 | 18:10 |
| amrith | which is what peterstac was alluding to | 18:11 |
| amrith | as 20+ | 18:11 |
| amrith | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/NOT+label:Workflow%253E%253D1+NOT+label:Workflow%253C%253D-1+label:Verified%253E%253D1%252Cjenkins+NOT+owner:self+label:Code-Review%253E%253D2+NOT+label:Code-Review-1+is:mergeable+status:open++%28project:openstack/trove+OR+project:openstack/trove-integration+OR+project:openstack/trove-specs+OR+project:openstack/python-troveclient+OR+project:openstack/trove-dashboard%29 | 18:11 |
| amrith | for example, I think https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313648/ should be quick :) | 18:11 |
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| amrith | anyway, this is back to the same issue we've dealt with for some time | 18:12 |
| amrith | #link https://gist.github.com/amrith/70b8913df8109c2ef40b0d08338f6206 | 18:12 |
| amrith | that's the review counts | 18:12 |
| amrith | and we should try and pick up the pace ... | 18:12 |
| amrith | I have nothing further to add on this | 18:12 |
| amrith | hi cp16net, sorry didn't see you come in | 18:12 |
| cp16net | howdy | 18:13 |
| flaper87 | yup, noticed the review rate! Happy to help there as much as possible | 18:13 |
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| amrith | anything further to add re: trove pulse ... | 18:13 |
| * flaper87 has nothing | 18:13 | |
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| amrith | #topic Announcements | 18:14 |
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| amrith | we've discussed these things already | 18:14 |
| amrith | I've updated the newton release calendar | 18:14 |
| amrith | #link http://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html | 18:14 |
| amrith | with trove specific dates | 18:14 |
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| amrith | The next deadline we have is: Deadline for proposing specs for Newton is R-17 (Week of June 13 to 17) | 18:15 |
| * flaper87 writes that down in his calendar | 18:15 | |
| amrith | and the spec freeze comes after that Deadline for specs for Newton to be merged is R-12 (Week of July 11 to 15) | 18:15 |
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| amrith | any questions or comments on this ... | 18:16 |
| flaper87 | none from me other that I think having a spec freeze is a good thing | 18:16 |
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| amrith | anyone have any other announcements | 18:17 |
| amrith | ok, moving along then ... | 18:17 |
| amrith | #topic Specs that are up for review | 18:17 |
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| amrith | So I made a list of specs that are up for review sometime this morning | 18:18 |
| amrith | I believe that some specs came in after that | 18:18 |
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| amrith | #link https://review.openstack.org/315141 | 18:18 |
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| amrith | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/315079/ | 18:19 |
| amrith | vkmc, your spec is verified failed and is tehrefore not showing up on the dashboard. I believe johnma has the reason for it in her comments. | 18:20 |
| amrith | if you'd update it, it'll pop-up on people's dashbaords | 18:20 |
| vkmc | amrith, yeah, amending soon | 18:20 |
| amrith | (if they use the dashboard) | 18:20 |
| * flaper87 hasn't reviewed these last 2 specs | 18:20 | |
| amrith | any discussion of the specs that are up for review | 18:20 |
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| amrith | pmackinn, yt? | 18:20 |
| pmackinn | no | 18:20 |
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| pmackinn | 'sup? | 18:21 |
| amrith | or maybe vkmc (since pmackinn isn't here, he says), would you respond to my comments in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/315141/ | 18:21 |
| tellesnobrega | im sending a new patch for review on the cinder backups this week hopefully, so that will something to review | 18:21 |
| amrith | the BP is in trove-integration | 18:21 |
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| amrith | which I'm hoping we can kill soon(ish) | 18:21 |
| amrith | do you want to register the BP in some other project? | 18:21 |
| pmackinn | amrith, re-targeting to the new T-I-B | 18:22 |
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| pmackinn | amrith, do we have a repo? | 18:22 |
| amrith | pmackinn, are you able to enter bp's there? | 18:22 |
| amrith | if not I may have to fix lp permissions | 18:22 |
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| amrith | pl lmk | 18:22 |
| amrith | lp project is trove-image-builder | 18:22 |
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| amrith | re: repo, there was this whole flap about the name | 18:22 |
| pmackinn | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/trove-image-builder/+spec/trove-image-builder | 18:22 |
| vkmc | amrith, I'll review last update on 315141 soon | 18:22 |
| vkmc | and reply to your comments | 18:22 |
| amrith | if you are fine with the name I'll add the bp link to my infra changes and WF+0 them | 18:23 |
| amrith | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312805/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312806/ | 18:23 |
| amrith | vkmc, thx | 18:23 |
| vkmc | np | 18:23 |
| pmackinn | amrith, re: comments we still have agreement in principle right? no need to get on the merry-go-round more at this point i would hope | 18:23 |
| amrith | yes we have agreement in principle re: new repo, trove-integration dib elements find a new home, a wrapper to make it easier to use them, a new element to install the guest agent, ... | 18:24 |
| amrith | I don't think I've missed anything | 18:24 |
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| amrith | I think the broader community will want to get involved when we start thinking about other tool chains. | 18:24 |
| pmackinn | \o/ | 18:25 |
| amrith | I think that is still a point of some concern in the community at large, and I would like to make sure we are congisent of that. | 18:25 |
| amrith | I see your new BP | 18:25 |
| amrith | I will tag that and move forward for the repo | 18:26 |
| pmackinn | not sure what concerns there would be at this point in the discussion | 18:26 |
| pmackinn | and, hey community now | 18:26 |
| amrith | one caution re: redstack build-image which I put in the review | 18:26 |
| amrith | we can talk about that offline (#openstack-trove) | 18:27 |
| amrith | any other discussion re: specs | 18:27 |
| pmackinn | noted | 18:27 |
| amrith | thanks tellesnobrega | 18:27 |
| amrith | will look for that | 18:27 |
| tellesnobrega | np | 18:27 |
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| amrith | tellesnobrega, you also had a q: re the old spec, I'd say abandon it for now. we can restore when appropriate | 18:27 |
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| tellesnobrega | amrith, sounds good, will do that | 18:28 |
| flaper87 | +1 for abandoning it | 18:28 |
| amrith | #action [amrith] update infra specs to point to new BP and WF +0 | 18:28 |
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| amrith | any other action items here? | 18:28 |
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| amrith | #action [tellesnobrega] abandon spec on CEPH (don't have a number handy) | 18:28 |
| amrith | anything else? | 18:29 |
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| tellesnobrega | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/256057/ | 18:29 |
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| amrith | #action [tellesnobrega] abandon spec on CEPH (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/256057/) | 18:30 |
| amrith | if everyone would take a look at the specs that are up for review and post feedback that'd help us hit our deadline. | 18:30 |
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| amrith | anything else ... | 18:30 |
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| amrith | I'm going to skip the next two sections in the agenda since no one added anything in the agenda. | 18:31 |
| amrith | but ... | 18:31 |
| amrith | if you want to talk about proposals for review or projects for newton ... now's the chance | 18:31 |
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| amrith | ok, let's move along | 18:32 |
| amrith | #topic Updating the API documentation | 18:32 |
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| amrith | I added this to the agenda after stubbing my toe on http://developer.openstack.org/api-ref-database-v1.html | 18:33 |
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| amrith | actually someone else did and pointed me at it. | 18:33 |
| amrith | This is rather old | 18:33 |
| amrith | not updated in a while | 18:34 |
| amrith | inaccurate in some places | 18:34 |
| amrith | so I asked other projects how they handled their API documentation | 18:34 |
| amrith | and the answer is that they have it as part of the source tree | 18:34 |
| amrith | and whenever a change updates the API, the document must be updated in the same commit | 18:34 |
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| amrith | does anyone have experience with this in another project? | 18:35 |
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| amrith | I'm thinking first of zaqar, glance, ... | 18:35 |
| amrith | but others too ... | 18:35 |
| flaper87 | Yeah, we do that in both Zaqar and Glance. We're just moving Glance's WADL support to RST: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312259/ | 18:35 |
| flaper87 | so, if we do this in Trove, we should probably start off with RST directly | 18:35 |
| amrith | Yes, that was the recommendation from a couple of other teams | 18:36 |
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| amrith | how did it work out to have to update the spec as part of the same commit | 18:36 |
| flaper87 | As a reviewer/contributor, I appreciate having these docs in-tree since it makes it easier to keep things updated | 18:36 |
| amrith | was there a lot of conflict on merges? | 18:36 |
| flaper87 | Not really | 18:36 |
| amrith | should we structure it as a single file or multiple files for the API? | 18:36 |
| amrith | (to reduce conflict) | 18:36 |
| flaper87 | I can't think of any blocking/annoying issue related to this | 18:36 |
| flaper87 | multiple files is better, IMHO | 18:37 |
| amrith | cp16net, how does this tie in with the example generator? | 18:37 |
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| cp16net | it should reference the output examples and inject them into the doc | 18:37 |
| * amrith rubs the magic lamp three times and says grapex grapex grapex | 18:37 | |
| cp16net | since the examples are statically named they should be able to be referenced by their file name | 18:38 |
| amrith | cp16net, my concern was always whether these samples were complete | 18:38 |
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| cp16net | yeah they probably are not complete with the new api features that were added | 18:38 |
| cp16net | the existing ones should be valid tho because they are run as part of the tests | 18:38 |
| cp16net | unless that was sneakily removed | 18:38 |
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| amrith | well, they are complete insofar as the tests exercise the API, no? | 18:39 |
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| amrith | i.e. it is based on test coverage not on actually parsing the code, right? | 18:39 |
| cp16net | i know they were used in the wadl doc generation that was there when you built with mvn or something | 18:39 |
| cp16net | but its been a long time since i saw that | 18:39 |
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| cp16net | right they are bascially another set of tests that run to verify the example output | 18:40 |
| cp16net | and that would need to be updated for the new api calls i.e. logs, etc... | 18:40 |
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| peterstac | cp16net, but they're run in the same vein as the fake tests, right? | 18:40 |
| cp16net | possibly even clusterings | 18:40 |
| amrith | cp16net, you refer to #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/trove/tree/generate_examples.py | 18:40 |
| cp16net | yeah | 18:40 |
| cp16net | they are all run with fakemode so they are faster and verify api output | 18:41 |
| peterstac | so those are getting pretty stale since everything new is done in the scenario realm now | 18:41 |
| cp16net | yeah and fake mode is being ignored | 18:41 |
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| cp16net | and not run with the scenario tests | 18:42 |
| cp16net | fakemode was using the int-tests suite | 18:42 |
| amrith | so, now that the API doc's are (along with other docs) coming back to projects, how do we handle this? | 18:42 |
| cp16net | or rather based on it | 18:42 |
| peterstac | well, the scenario tests also use the int-tests suite | 18:42 |
| peterstac | do you need to do something special to get the fakes to run? | 18:42 |
| peterstac | (i.e. are they hard-coded to the api ones ...) | 18:43 |
| cp16net | you would need to make sure ot import the scenarios when runnign fake mode | 18:43 |
| amrith | peterstac, not that I know of | 18:43 |
| cp16net | and i suspect that it will take a bit of work | 18:43 |
| amrith | so, one thing I will point out is that other projects don't generate examples in an automated way. | 18:44 |
| amrith | they do it the 'old way' | 18:44 |
| amrith | I did it once | 18:44 |
| amrith | go look at schema.py | 18:44 |
| amrith | then look at each entry point (mapping) | 18:44 |
| amrith | and see what other undeclared parameters it uses | 18:44 |
| amrith | and write them all down. | 18:44 |
| amrith | once we get that in place, we'll be in a better place to require updates on commit | 18:44 |
| cp16net | https://github.com/openstack/trove/blob/master/run_tests.py#L229 | 18:44 |
| cp16net | i believe this is where they get loaded | 18:45 |
| amrith | given that the completeness of these automated samples is dependent on the test coverage, do we want to continue this path? | 18:45 |
| flaper87 | mmh, sounds like quite some work and based on the current planned specs/work, it might be a bit unrealistic to also add this item | 18:46 |
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| flaper87 | it doesn't feel like a critical item to me but others may disagree | 18:47 |
| amrith | so what's the priority of this activity? | 18:47 |
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| amrith | given that not having documentation is a problem, shouldn't it be a higher priority. maybe not critical but not ignoreable either | 18:48 |
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| amrith | what (if anything) do we want to commit to doing in Newton? | 18:48 |
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| flaper87 | I agree with the sentiment it should probably be a higher priority. Not sure how much of it we would be able to do in Newton, though. I'd need to spend some extra time looking into what's required in Trove's case to get this done. | 18:49 |
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| * flaper87 learned something from the above discussion | 18:49 | |
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| amrith | cp16net, peterstac anything to add? | 18:50 |
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| amrith | I'm going to guess not. let's revisit in a couple of weeks. | 18:50 |
| cp16net | nothing here | 18:51 |
| amrith | #topic Open Discussion | 18:51 |
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| amrith | anybody have anything ... | 18:51 |
| cp16net | i have one thing i'd like to bring up | 18:51 |
| pmalik | This has been sitting in review with +2 from peterstac. | 18:51 |
| pmalik | It does not change how and what the tests run, but it's a needed first step if we ever want | 18:51 |
| pmalik | to see the new tests as voting jobs. | 18:51 |
| pmalik | It only affects the test code and the tests pass... Thx. | 18:51 |
| pmalik | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/309190/ | 18:51 |
| amrith | cp16net, please go ahead | 18:51 |
| flaper87 | Is there a Trove midcycle planned for Newton? | 18:51 |
| cp16net | i put up for a bug patch for mariadb clustering https://review.openstack.org/#/c/306638/ | 18:51 |
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| amrith | cp16net, saw that | 18:51 |
| cp16net | What was eluded to in comments may be a larger issue across instance create as well for neutron networks. If someone with more knowledge of neutron would like to take a look that would be helpful. | 18:52 |
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| amrith | cp16net, we could start with this fix | 18:52 |
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| amrith | after all, there are many ways to specify a neutron nic | 18:52 |
| amrith | and this would fix the common case | 18:52 |
| amrith | but not all cases | 18:52 |
| amrith | I'm more inclined to go ahead with this change and leave the bigger case for the future | 18:53 |
| amrith | i.e. don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good | 18:53 |
| cp16net | ok i'll work on fixing the unit failure | 18:53 |
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| amrith | dougshelley66 may not be here, I'll speak with him about this; he and I had talked when this happened originally. | 18:53 |
| cp16net | just didnt want what was mentioned to fall through the cracks | 18:53 |
| amrith | thx cp16net | 18:54 |
| cp16net | np | 18:54 |
| amrith | pmalik, will look at that review | 18:54 |
| amrith | flaper87, the current plan is for August 24, 25, 26 or thereabouts | 18:54 |
| cp16net | its small enough to fix the issue that was raised | 18:54 |
| amrith | in NYC | 18:54 |
| amrith | was in meeting minutes two weeks ago | 18:54 |
| amrith | and for some weeks before that. | 18:55 |
| amrith | flaper87 ^^ | 18:55 |
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| amrith | pmackinn, I've updated https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312806/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312805/ | 18:57 |
| amrith | please review. vkmc, pmackinn ^^ | 18:57 |
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| dougshelley66 | amrith i'm here now..just catching up | 18:58 |
| dougshelley66 | i certainly don't want to be the enemy of the good | 18:58 |
| dougshelley66 | i'll take my -1 off that review | 18:58 |
| pmackinn | amrith, thx | 18:58 |
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| amrith | anything else ... | 18:59 |
| amrith | 50s to go ... | 18:59 |
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| amrith | #endmeeting | 18:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 11 18:59:30 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2016/trove.2016-05-11-18.01.html | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2016/trove.2016-05-11-18.01.txt | 18:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2016/trove.2016-05-11-18.01.log.html | 18:59 |
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| johnsom | #startmeeting Octavia | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 11 20:00:17 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnsom. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'octavia' | 20:00 |
| rm_work | o/ | 20:00 |
| johnsom | Helps if I can type the room name.... | 20:00 |
| TrevorV | NOW you do the "I'm here" line :D | 20:00 |
| bana_k | hi | 20:00 |
| fnaval | o/ | 20:00 |
| sbelous_ | hi | 20:00 |
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| TrevorV | Then you're in there for the roll call :P | 20:00 |
| bharathm | hi everyone | 20:00 |
| Frito | meh ;-) | 20:00 |
| blogan | hi | 20:00 |
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| johnsom | Hello everyone. I have a short agenda for today, so could be a quick one. | 20:01 |
| johnsom | #topic Announcements | 20:01 |
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| dougwig | o/ | 20:01 |
| johnsom | I will be traveling next week and cannot host this meeting. Does someone want to chair or should we cancel? | 20:01 |
| dougwig | i can cover. | 20:01 |
| sbalukoff | Hey folks! | 20:01 |
| johnsom | Ok, thank you dougwig! | 20:02 |
| sbalukoff | I'm also traveling next week. | 20:02 |
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| sbalukoff | Thanks dougwig! | 20:02 |
| johnsom | Any other announcements? | 20:02 |
| TrevorV | I'm awesome. That is all. | 20:02 |
| blogan | he did ask for any other lies | 20:03 |
| * johnsom glares at TrevorV | 20:03 | |
| blogan | didnt | 20:03 |
| dougwig | i guess announcements can technically be fiction. | 20:03 |
| johnsom | FYI, newton-1 is May 30th | 20:03 |
| TrevorV | why so mean.... | 20:03 |
| Frito | TrevorV meant he's awesome in the sense of that song by Spose | 20:03 |
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| TrevorV | You hush, FNG | 20:03 |
| TrevorV | o_0 | 20:03 |
| rm_work | I always forget how soon those milestones are... | 20:03 |
| sbalukoff | Heh! | 20:04 |
| johnsom | #topic Brief progress reports | 20:04 |
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| evgenyf | o/ | 20:04 |
| dougwig | i still owe spec re-spins on the spinout. no progress, but good comments. | 20:04 |
| rm_work | 90% of my time has been spent in meetings since I got back, so I haven't gotten much done with trying to get a smaller amp image | 20:04 |
| johnsom | I have been poking at the failover bug with the namespace driver. There is still something strange going on, so still WIP sadly. Internal stuff as grabbed a chunk of my time. | 20:04 |
| fnaval | I'm still working on some new neutron-lbaas v2 tests. these have +2's already, it'd be great to get more +2's on them | 20:05 |
| Frito | I've been working on getting the amphora / listener data loss thing done. The first part is out for review; the second part I'll probably bring up to discuss some later. | 20:05 |
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| fnaval | #link https://review.openstack.org/305525 | 20:05 |
| fnaval | #link https://review.openstack.org/306182 | 20:05 |
| TrevorV | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/310667 | 20:05 |
| johnsom | fnaval Thank you again for the work on the session persistence stuff! | 20:05 |
| TrevorV | Hah, wrong review... | 20:05 |
| TrevorV | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/257201/ | 20:05 |
| TrevorV | That one | 20:05 |
| fnaval | yeah thanks for the quick review turnaround too | 20:06 |
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| johnsom | We still need to adjust some timeouts as I'm seeing amp boot times ~11:37 so our scenario tests are timing out failed. | 20:06 |
| sbalukoff | I haven't anything to show the group. Been in meetings, working on internal stuff, or riding a motorcycle across the country since the conference. :/ | 20:06 |
| rm_work | Yeah, lot of reviewing of the spec for spin-out going on, but more needed | 20:06 |
| sbalukoff | Ok. | 20:06 |
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| rm_work | I'd link it but TrevorV already did :P | 20:06 |
| rm_work | johnsom: yeah if i can actually get further on minimal image, those issues might just go away :/ | 20:07 |
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| xgerman | o/ | 20:07 |
| rm_work | I think that's the correct direction to be working | 20:07 |
| johnsom | sbalukoff I got one doc to review from Leslie, but I'm not sure it was in gerrit (if I remember right). It would be easier for me to review if it was | 20:07 |
| blogan | 11 minutes!!!!! | 20:07 |
| rm_work | I think I saw her propose something | 20:07 |
| sbalukoff | johnsom: I think she got a revision of something in gerrit on Monday evening. | 20:07 |
| sbalukoff | In the neutron-lbaas project. | 20:07 |
| johnsom | Agreed, if we can find a way around the qemu/tsg issue and get the boot times down life would be better | 20:08 |
| johnsom | sbalukoff Ok great! | 20:08 |
| johnsom | #link http://logs.openstack.org/74/278874/13/check/gate-neutron-lbaasv2-dsvm-scenario/0374f53/logs/screen-o-cw.txt.gz | 20:08 |
| blogan | i think the scenario tests would be much more reliable | 20:09 |
| johnsom | That was the log from a test run where end-to-end the boot took 11:37 | 20:09 |
| blogan | and maybe one day, be voting | 20:09 |
| rm_work | yeah i'm targetting <= 2m for boots even without vtx | 20:09 |
| rm_work | but we'll see if that's feasible | 20:09 |
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| blogan | and with fnaval adding more scenario tests, we're going to hit the 2 hour timeout if it remains currently | 20:09 |
| sbalukoff | That would be great! | 20:09 |
| johnsom | That would be excellent. Yeah, it's about 37 seconds with virt | 20:09 |
| rm_work | yeah and that scales, so maybe would be down to like 10 with virt :P | 20:10 |
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| johnsom | Ok, any other progress reports etc? | 20:10 |
| fnaval | nice | 20:10 |
| johnsom | #topic Open Discussion | 20:10 |
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| johnsom | Other topics? | 20:10 |
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| Frito | I have some +1's on #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312595 and would love some more reviews | 20:11 |
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| xgerman | there was something about topology on lb create | 20:11 |
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| Frito | I have a follow up on that regarding aggregating the amphora / listener stats and bubbling them up to Neutron LBaaS. | 20:11 |
| johnsom | I feel a bit guilty as the weeks since the summit have been low cycles for me. | 20:11 |
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| TrevorV | So blogan rm_work ptoohill and I just got out of a meeting talking about work efforts for the Octavia Parity with Neutron LBaaS | 20:12 |
| sbalukoff | johnsom: +1 | 20:12 |
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| sbalukoff | And I'm not quite out of the woods yet. :/ | 20:12 |
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| TrevorV | One of the requirements in the list right now is "Fields by query parameter" | 20:12 |
| dougwig | do we want a mid-cycle for newton? | 20:12 |
| TrevorV | Is this an optional field? | 20:12 |
| sbalukoff | So, sorry, folks! | 20:12 |
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| sbalukoff | dougwig: Yes. | 20:12 |
| rm_work | same johnsom / sbalukoff T_T | 20:12 |
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| johnsom | TrevorV I think that is the query filter right? | 20:13 |
| rm_work | ^^ what TrevorV said | 20:13 |
| johnsom | Or just the list of fields to return? | 20:13 |
| rm_work | ^^ second one | 20:13 |
| TrevorV | johnsom there is a "list query filter" and then there is "give me these fields for this resource I want" | 20:13 |
| johnsom | Ok | 20:13 |
| TrevorV | I'm talking about the second | 20:13 |
| TrevorV | Yeah | 20:13 |
| johnsom | Can't we steal that code from LBaaS/neutron? | 20:13 |
| TrevorV | I'm thinking this is optional, but is it? | 20:13 |
| sbalukoff | No idea. | 20:14 |
| johnsom | It's optional from a query perspective, but for parity is would be required | 20:14 |
| rm_work | it's not really "breaking" to give MORE info than required is it? >_> | 20:14 |
| johnsom | I think there is an "OpenStack API guideline" somewhere | 20:14 |
| rm_work | i mean... i guess if someone did some REALLY bad coding | 20:14 |
| sbalukoff | rm_work: What? People code badly around OpenStack APIs? Never! | 20:15 |
| rm_work | T_T | 20:15 |
| blogan | i would put it at a low priority, filters are a higher priority | 20:15 |
| johnsom | Speaking of, we need to talk about single create/delete. We need to get that stuff merged soon and I want to get the client change done before we get told only in osc | 20:15 |
| fnaval | heh | 20:15 |
| johnsom | blogan +1 | 20:16 |
| rm_work | same | 20:16 |
| rm_work | to both | 20:16 |
| rm_work | client work should be FAIRLY straightforward there, I assume | 20:16 |
| TrevorV | Yeah, please review my single-create that's Neutron LBaaS | 20:16 |
| rm_work | since all the stuff is there already individually, just need to kinda cobble it together into a new single call | 20:17 |
| johnsom | The client is basically done, it's just pending the API side being done | 20:17 |
| TrevorV | Its up there, been there a month now :P | 20:17 |
| rm_work | ah lol | 20:17 |
| rm_work | shows how much I've seen | 20:17 |
| blogan | TrevorV: is it working? | 20:17 |
| rm_work | I guess I only look at Octavia reviews these days | 20:17 |
| johnsom | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/288187/ | 20:17 |
| TrevorV | blogan I have 1 known bug for l7rule, but I'm working that out. Everything else gets through octavia and in the haproxy config. | 20:17 |
| johnsom | Is that just create or is delete in it's final(ish) api form? | 20:18 |
| blogan | just create | 20:18 |
| rm_work | who was working on delete? that's a separate effort right? | 20:18 |
| blogan | another review needs to add the delete | 20:18 |
| rm_work | I know xgerman WAS working on it, but did someone take over? | 20:19 |
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| xgerman | blogan did | 20:19 |
| rm_work | lol | 20:19 |
| blogan | i rushed a quick spin on it before the Mitaka deadline but it got axed | 20:19 |
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| rm_work | but review is still up | 20:19 |
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| sbalukoff | Right. | 20:19 |
| rm_work | do you have it handy to link? | 20:19 |
| johnsom | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287593/ | 20:19 |
| blogan | i may have abandoned it bc its not the right way to do it now | 20:20 |
| rm_work | cool | 20:20 |
| rm_work | oh, lol, so it'll need to be scrapped and redone? | 20:20 |
| blogan | it should be put into the same endpoint as the single create | 20:20 |
| TrevorV | cascade delete will need to be updated to be off "/graph" endpoint. | 20:20 |
| blogan | well a lot of the code can probably be reused | 20:20 |
| TrevorV | The actual cascade changes may not actually need updated. | 20:20 |
| TrevorV | Yeah | 20:20 |
| blogan | like below the plugin layer should remain the same | 20:20 |
| * xgerman shudders about graph | 20:21 | |
| johnsom | I'm just saying Armando is on a hunt for client things to push into OSC (see his comment on my patch), so if we want cascade delete in the client, we likely need to move soonish | 20:21 |
| sbalukoff | Heh! | 20:21 |
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| johnsom | I will sign up to update the client code, I just need to know the new endpoint plan | 20:21 |
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| blogan | DELETE /graphs/<lb_id> | 20:22 |
| sbalukoff | +1 | 20:22 |
| johnsom | Ok | 20:22 |
| TrevorV | Yep. | 20:22 |
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| TrevorV | Ha ha. | 20:23 |
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| blogan | i thought dougwig is happy with that call | 20:23 |
| blogan | and i did just put words into his mouth | 20:23 |
| blogan | he is my puppet | 20:23 |
| johnsom | Ok, cool. I will take an action to make the required client changes for that. Who can take the API side? | 20:24 |
| * blogan looks around | 20:24 | |
| * johnsom steps back | 20:24 | |
| sbalukoff | Sorry, I can't just yet. :/ | 20:24 |
| TrevorV | johnsom are those separate efforts for neutron lbaas? | 20:24 |
| blogan | TrevorV: teh client and api? | 20:24 |
| TrevorV | Oh oh oh the CLI versus the API you mean? | 20:25 |
| xgerman | will never work on an endpoint called graph for deleting as loadbalancer | 20:25 |
| johnsom | I think create, delete, and client are all separate patches. | 20:25 |
| TrevorV | Uh... I'm now lost. | 20:25 |
| blogan | yes they are all | 20:25 |
| blogan | xgerman: such a downer | 20:25 |
| xgerman | I thought people knew my position on this | 20:26 |
| * blogan watches xgerman take his ball and go home | 20:26 | |
| sbalukoff | Haha | 20:26 |
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| sbalukoff | I think he's just looking for an excuse to do just that. ;) | 20:26 |
| sbalukoff | Like being moved to a team that will eat up all his time with containers. ;) | 20:26 |
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| blogan | TrevorV: can you work on the cascade delete? | 20:27 |
| johnsom | I would comment as well, but I have to get on stage and present with him next week | 20:27 |
| sbalukoff | Hahaha! | 20:27 |
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| xgerman | yeah, we are coming to San Antonio :-O) | 20:27 |
| TrevorV | blogan I think I can do that... | 20:27 |
| johnsom | TrevorV You are the man! | 20:27 |
| blogan | TrevorV: okay cool thanks | 20:27 |
| TrevorV | Sure thing. | 20:28 |
| xgerman | +1 TrevorGraph | 20:28 |
| TrevorV | Ouch xgerman | 20:28 |
| * johnsom Hands xgerman's ball to TrevorV | 20:28 | |
| * TrevorV pops the ball | 20:28 | |
| blogan | whoa | 20:28 |
| TrevorV | (our meeting minutes have to be weird to other readers....) | 20:28 |
| johnsom | Hahaha, yes, yes they do... | 20:28 |
| blogan | i got another discussion topic | 20:29 |
| blogan | if we've wrapped up that one | 20:29 |
| sbalukoff | Uh-oh. | 20:29 |
| Frito | me too | 20:29 |
| blogan | Frito: dibs | 20:29 |
| Frito | go for it | 20:29 |
| johnsom | Ok cool. I will work on that in some off hours and get the client update. TrevorV let me know if you are going to adopt the current patch or start a new one. I will need a depends-on link | 20:29 |
| johnsom | Sigh, blogan.... grin | 20:30 |
| TrevorV | johnsom sure thing. | 20:30 |
| blogan | so with a certain company scaling back their involvement in lbaas, that leaves us with 2 cores who will not be as active | 20:30 |
| sbalukoff | Ok. | 20:30 |
| johnsom | Three actuall | 20:30 |
| blogan | we previously kind of all had a gentlemen's agreement that features would not be merged with 2 cores from teh same company only reviewing it | 20:31 |
| xgerman | yep | 20:31 |
| blogan | well only 2 +2's from the same company | 20:31 |
| johnsom | But one will still be semi-active. How is that for vague | 20:31 |
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| sbalukoff | Heh! | 20:31 |
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| johnsom | there are still five companies with cores, four of which are semi-active | 20:31 |
| blogan | so with THREE cores now being that way, i think we should do away with that, because its really just ibm and rackspace at that point and half an HP'er | 20:31 |
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| dougwig | or we could just merge octavia-core and neutron-lbaas-core | 20:32 |
| xgerman | A10? | 20:32 |
| sbalukoff | And I hope to be more active than I have been for the last 4 weeks or so. Trying to get more IBM people to show up to the IRC channel and meetings, but obviously haven't had much success with that yet. | 20:32 |
| blogan | dougwig doesn't count | 20:32 |
| sbalukoff | Haha! | 20:32 |
| xgerman | of course not | 20:32 |
| dougwig | now you sound like my wife. | 20:32 |
| Frito | lol | 20:32 |
| blogan | dougwig: if we merged them wouldn't just net another racker and another HP'er? | 20:32 |
| * johnsom give dougwig permission to -2 the world to prove a point | 20:32 | |
| dougwig | plus an ibm | 20:32 |
| TrevorV | So maybe not necessarily a "do away with", but what about a time-limit? What about waiting for a period of time before the second +2+A for it to merge? | 20:32 |
| TrevorV | Like, say, 48 hours | 20:33 |
| blogan | so same situation almost | 20:33 |
| sbalukoff | I'm not a neutron-lbaas-core right nowl | 20:33 |
| sbalukoff | But yes, it's close to the same situation. | 20:33 |
| dougwig | ibm, a10, rax, at a minimum. that's more spread than we started with in n-l. | 20:33 |
| blogan | very well, although i never agreed with that rule anyway, at least not until someone abused it | 20:34 |
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| sbalukoff | We could also go with the gentleman's agreement that if a patch sits there for, say, more than 2 weeks with a +2 on it, and no -1 from another core, then a core from the same company should feel free to +A. | 20:34 |
| sbalukoff | As a stop-gap anyway. | 20:34 |
| johnsom | Ok, so I am ok with a time limit. One condition would be if any core -1's it doesn't +A. I.e. give someone a chance to hold a merge for review. | 20:34 |
| dougwig | i'm fine with the "we'll deal with it if it's a problem" approach. | 20:34 |
| blogan | sbalukoff: fine with that but maybe a shorter time frame | 20:34 |
| TrevorV | Alright, but sbalukoff 2 weeks could be a really long time when we start iterating on bug fixes and the like | 20:34 |
| blogan | johnsom: i think everyone mostly does that anyway | 20:35 |
| rm_work | sbalukoff: +1 | 20:35 |
| sbalukoff | I'd be happy for a much shorter time frame for bug fixes. | 20:35 |
| rm_work | yeah | 20:35 |
| sbalukoff | but new features... probably ought to go 2 weeks. | 20:35 |
| rm_work | maybe 1 week for bug fixes | 20:35 |
| fnaval | thanks for talking about this - it's important! ;-) | 20:35 |
| TrevorV | That's still a long time... | 20:35 |
| rm_work | but since this is all gentlemen's agreement anyway... just be good about it | 20:35 |
| johnsom | I'm fine with that | 20:35 |
| sbalukoff | Yep. | 20:35 |
| rm_work | yeah but if it's really urgent, ping people | 20:35 |
| sbalukoff | rm_work: +1000 | 20:35 |
| TrevorV | I've pinged a million times for single-create reviews... haven't seen anyone but phil | 20:36 |
| dougwig | rm_work: +2 | 20:36 |
| TrevorV | o_0 | 20:36 |
| sbalukoff | I can sometimes be reached even when I'm underwater working on internal stuff. :) | 20:36 |
| xgerman | I am in the channel - so would see it | 20:36 |
| rm_work | yeah that isn't ... urgent | 20:36 |
| johnsom | My biggest drag is I want to install and try these things, which I don't always have the resources available to do. | 20:36 |
| TrevorV | You hush your mouth rm_work | 20:36 |
| sbalukoff | Haha | 20:36 |
| sbalukoff | johnsom: +1 | 20:36 |
| blogan | i just ahven't seen any of "push this in because our company needs it and it breaks everyone else, but so what" attitudes so i'm not worried about it either way | 20:36 |
| TrevorV | Alright, so about a week for any changes, or 2 weeks for changes and 1 week for bugs? | 20:36 |
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| sbalukoff | 2 weeks for feature changes / additions... 1 week for bugs. | 20:37 |
| TrevorV | (I like being explicit, that way I can't complain if it happens too fast, or I CAN complain if it takes too long) | 20:37 |
| johnsom | Yeah, same here, if it's really blocking you, please feel free to nag me | 20:37 |
| sbalukoff | Though, of course, just use good judgement. | 20:37 |
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| sbalukoff | If it's a bug fix that's like 1 line and it's holding you up and is very unlikely to break anyone else... just get the damned thing merged! | 20:37 |
| johnsom | sbalukoff +1 | 20:37 |
| blogan | so lets use common sense! | 20:38 |
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| sbalukoff | Haha! | 20:38 |
| TrevorV | Alright, well, apparently I'm the only one that wants a set value.... | 20:38 |
| TrevorV | Fine. | 20:38 |
| TrevorV | Whatever. | 20:38 |
| Frito | common sense isn't too common | 20:38 |
| TrevorV | Hate you all. Just a little. | 20:38 |
| johnsom | Please two sets of eyes though, rage merges are still un-cool | 20:38 |
| sbalukoff | TrevorV: We have "wet concrete guidelines" | 20:38 |
| blogan | decision: we are good stewards of the project and use common sense | 20:38 |
| sbalukoff | johnsom: +1 | 20:38 |
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| xgerman | blogan +1 | 20:38 |
| rm_work | oh, did anyone say what they actually thought of merging the core groups? | 20:39 |
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| rm_work | It'll happen anyway when we finish the spinoff | 20:39 |
| xgerman | sure, sounds good | 20:39 |
| johnsom | Yeah, to me that is just a timing thing | 20:39 |
| rm_work | sooo... i don't care -- though i won't be +2ing anything n-lbaas anyway prolly | 20:39 |
| sbalukoff | I'm OK with that. | 20:39 |
| rm_work | but go ahead IMO | 20:39 |
| rm_work | it does make us a very large core group | 20:39 |
| xgerman | I could -2 graph… | 20:39 |
| rm_work | ... do we need to do any pruning? | 20:40 |
| sbalukoff | xgerman: We know where you live. | 20:40 |
| rm_work | or are we just going to worry about that later | 20:40 |
| rm_work | we should have an official vote / proposal for this on the ML right? | 20:40 |
| xgerman | sbalukoff I have combat chicken | 20:40 |
| rm_work | since I don't think we have a majority here actually :/ | 20:40 |
| sbalukoff | xgerman: I see you combat chicken and raise you a combat duck. | 20:40 |
| sbalukoff | We're going amphibious, baby! | 20:41 |
| dougwig | nah, we can skip the bureaucracy. | 20:41 |
| fnaval | i wonder those animals taste like | 20:41 |
| sbalukoff | fnaval: Delicious. | 20:41 |
| fnaval | lol yeah my thoughts too | 20:41 |
| rm_work | ok | 20:41 |
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| TrevorV | There was so little information in the last 10 lines.... | 20:42 |
| TrevorV | ha ha ha | 20:42 |
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| blogan | i have o idea what just happened | 20:42 |
| johnsom | Ok, so are we good on cores/+A? | 20:42 |
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| sbalukoff | TrevorV: You have to read between the lines. The message there reads, "Nobody is against this, so let's do it." | 20:42 |
| TrevorV | I see... | 20:42 |
| dougwig | mid-cycle, i heard one yes. if we had one, how many would attend? | 20:42 |
| * dougwig raises hand. | 20:43 | |
| rm_work | I probably would, though it depends on where it is | 20:43 |
| TrevorV | Depending on location, Rackspace will probably attend | 20:43 |
| sbalukoff | dougwig: I'm almost certain I could attend. Other IBMers attending would depend on location. | 20:43 |
| TrevorV | Also, when? | 20:43 |
| xgerman | nope | 20:43 |
| rm_work | and when, yeah | 20:43 |
| * johnsom gets "the future is cloudy" | 20:43 | |
| xgerman | unless it’s in San Diego | 20:43 |
| blogan | as always depends on where, though i'm not sure if i'd be allowed to attend now | 20:43 |
| sbalukoff | Yes, when is important. | 20:43 |
| dougwig | is 'depends on location' code for "if it's at rax" ? or "if it's in seattle?" :) | 20:43 |
| fnaval | if at rackspace, i'd be there | 20:43 |
| rm_work | so, we should try? but we need to propose a date and location to really get a firm idea | 20:43 |
| rm_work | which may then tell us whether to do it or not | 20:44 |
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| rm_work | for me it's location | 20:44 |
| rm_work | I may *be* in WA already depending on when it is, planning to spend some time up there this year prolly | 20:44 |
| blogan | i'd like to attend but with my new role i dont know how likely that is, rm_work, TrevorV, and/or ptoohill might be better to go over me | 20:44 |
| sbalukoff | No, IBMers showing up would probably be best with San Jose. However, I don't see any of those IBMers here voicing their opinion, so... San Antonio it is! | 20:44 |
| rm_work | esp. around when the midcycle might be, lol | 20:44 |
| dougwig | i'd lean towards june sometime, but it sounds like location is the harder part. | 20:44 |
| blogan | boise! | 20:44 |
| rm_work | so for me it might be easier if it's WA, heh | 20:44 |
| sbalukoff | I would absolutely do Boise. | 20:45 |
| dougwig | frankly, i'm fine with san antonio. | 20:45 |
| TrevorV | location is a huge part. I'm not even sure if Rackspace *will* host... We'd have to get that information | 20:45 |
| dougwig | i'd also be fine with boise. ;-) | 20:45 |
| sbalukoff | Boise has some fun festivals and stuff in June, IIRC. | 20:45 |
| rm_work | yeah I'm ok with Boise prolly | 20:45 |
| rm_work | but that's me in a void without any knowledge of RAX's budget and where i'll be | 20:45 |
| sbalukoff | We could do it at my parents' house. | 20:45 |
| rm_work | lol | 20:45 |
| sbalukoff | And I'm actually not even joking about that. They have space to host like 60 people. | 20:45 |
| TrevorV | Only if we get pancakes | 20:45 |
| rm_work | LAN Party at Stephen's parents place!!! | 20:46 |
| dougwig | if it's in boise, the worst case is me sitting in an office, sad and alone. aka, every day. | 20:46 |
| sbalukoff | HAHA! | 20:46 |
| rm_work | I feel like I'm in highschool | 20:46 |
| sbalukoff | rm_work: So what are your plans for the senior prom? | 20:46 |
| TrevorV | I would totally crash sbalukoff 's family's house... | 20:46 |
| TrevorV | He's going with me | 20:46 |
| TrevorV | o_0 | 20:46 |
| rm_work | lol | 20:46 |
| blogan | i'm not sure its safe to be around the people who spawned sbalukoff | 20:46 |
| sbalukoff | HAha! | 20:46 |
| TrevorV | ha ha ha ha | 20:46 |
| dougwig | haha | 20:46 |
| TrevorV | That's true | 20:46 |
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| johnsom | hahaha | 20:46 |
| rm_work | these meetings | 20:47 |
| fnaval | oh no you didn't | 20:47 |
| dougwig | i expect there are a lot of bernie sanders signs. or trump signs. i doubt it's anywhere in-between. | 20:47 |
| sbalukoff | Ok, well, I doubt we're going to get a decision this week on location or time. | 20:47 |
| TrevorV | Every other team envies us, you know it/ | 20:47 |
| rm_work | ok, thoughts on time? | 20:47 |
| sbalukoff | dougwig: To my surprise, it was Sanders signs. | 20:47 |
| rm_work | even tentatively, just ... when would a "mid"cycle be | 20:47 |
| xgerman | Corvallis is also nice any time of year ;-) | 20:47 |
| sbalukoff | dougwig: Mostly because they absolutely cannot stand Hillary. | 20:47 |
| sbalukoff | June sometime would be my vote. | 20:48 |
| rm_work | no Gary Johnson fans? >_> | 20:48 |
| sbalukoff | Like mid-June-ish. | 20:48 |
| blogan | GJ! | 20:48 |
| rm_work | ok, mid June is when I might already be visiting WA, depending on how my plans develop | 20:49 |
| blogan | not August for me | 20:49 |
| rm_work | so I could drive or fly from BLI to whatever Boise's airport is | 20:49 |
| johnsom | Yeah, I can host in Corvallis. | 20:49 |
| sbalukoff | Personally, I'm going with Vermin Supreme. I'm looking forward to a pony-based economy and going back in time to kill Hitler. | 20:49 |
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| rm_work | lol | 20:49 |
| rm_work | What's the minimal pony-unit? one full pony? | 20:49 |
| sbalukoff | Ooh! Corvallis is also nice. | 20:49 |
| rm_work | that could be problematic | 20:49 |
| blogan | I'd be fine with boise or corvallis, they're different | 20:49 |
| rm_work | unless there are pony-derivitives markets | 20:49 |
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| blogan | we could also do Windcrest | 20:50 |
| rm_work | rofl how is that different | 20:50 |
| blogan | shhh | 20:50 |
| rm_work | i don't think people want to get shot | 20:50 |
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| sbalukoff | Er... maybe we should have people look into serious options and come back next week (or in two, since johsom and I will be out next week)? | 20:50 |
| rm_work | yeah | 20:50 |
| blogan | corvallis and boise sound serious as long as they can host | 20:50 |
| sbalukoff | I want to make sure that Frito gets time for his topic. | 20:50 |
| fnaval | haha | 20:50 |
| rm_work | though I'm tentatively ok with Boise or Corvallis June-ish | 20:50 |
| blogan | oh god i forgot about Frito | 20:50 |
| blogan | he should have been more pushy | 20:50 |
| rm_work | yeah any other topics? lol | 20:50 |
| Frito | whoots sbalukoff. I was wondering if the group forgot | 20:50 |
| * blogan did | 20:51 | |
| rm_work | Frito: you have to say something or we'll just BS forever and end it | 20:51 |
| Frito | Regarding pushing listener statistics from Octavia to Neutron LBaaS. If we leave the propigation in the heartbeat handler as it is today we run the risk of increased likelyhood of race conditions and such. | 20:51 |
| Frito | The other thing I can see doing is having a background process in HouseKeeping that rolls the data up before sending the message back up to NLBaaS. | 20:51 |
| Frito | The risk here comes in from things like someone deleting a listener between rollup cycles and losing a little data. So this route might involve a soft delete until the rollup happens then a hard delete. | 20:51 |
| Frito | So vote on rollup in heartbeat handler vs background process for rollup vs something else assuming this is the forum for it? | 20:51 |
| rm_work | oh god actual work | 20:51 |
| Frito | Also, sorry if this isn't the right forum for this question / discussion. | 20:51 |
| blogan | whoa! | 20:51 |
| blogan | quick typer | 20:51 |
| rm_work | he was SOOOO ready | 20:51 |
| Frito | I had it t yped up in notepad already assuming I'd be time crunched. | 20:51 |
| sbalukoff | Heh! | 20:51 |
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| TrevorV | He's too ready... we don't have time for his readiness. | 20:52 |
| rm_work | I am still not super worried about the heartbeat handler doing this stuff since it's a quick processing and bump to a queue | 20:52 |
| rm_work | but | 20:52 |
| fnaval | the long pause while everyone reads it | 20:52 |
| sbalukoff | So, having had 30 seconds to think about this, I think data consistency is key here, and not worry too much about losing data from a very short-lived listener. | 20:52 |
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| blogan | nlbaas only needs the stats for customers to see right? | 20:52 |
| Frito | I'm still thinking through it and all that. It's dependent on that other review I have out there but I wanted to bring it up. | 20:52 |
| johnsom | Frito We already have a soft delete at the load balancer level | 20:52 |
| rm_work | I think we'd need to really get an idea of scale and performance and when it'd really be a problem | 20:52 |
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| Frito | johnsom: this would be at the listener_statistics level | 20:52 |
| sbalukoff | rm_work: +1 | 20:52 |
| blogan | I'm wondering if we even need to push stats up to nlbaas | 20:52 |
| TrevorV | I don't think we need to push stats to nlbaas | 20:52 |
| TrevorV | But that's me | 20:52 |
| rm_work | yeah probably not | 20:52 |
| Frito | blogan: that's another thought I had. | 20:52 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: Oh, are you thinking people should query Octavia | 20:52 |
| rm_work | because honestly either the driver can pull it | 20:53 |
| sbalukoff | API directly? | 20:53 |
| rm_work | or ... we're about to merge the twp | 20:53 |
| rm_work | *two | 20:53 |
| dougwig | " I think data consistency is key here" -- clearly a mission for mongo | 20:53 |
| rm_work | lol | 20:53 |
| blogan | currently, whenever a stats call is requested by a customer, nlbaas will ask teh driver for it and update the table in the db and return that to the user through teh API | 20:53 |
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| xgerman | cassandra? | 20:53 |
| rm_work | I think our octavia driver can PULL the stats from octavia with n-lbaas | 20:53 |
| Frito | lol @ nosql | 20:53 |
| rm_work | don't think it needs to be in both places | 20:53 |
| blogan | thats how V1 did it | 20:53 |
| sbalukoff | dougwig: Oh, haha! I'd forgotten that some openstack systems use that pile of crap. Like the one that gathers stats. XD | 20:53 |
| blogan | and since nlbaas is going away, should we really do more than that? | 20:53 |
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| blogan | for nlbaas | 20:53 |
| rm_work | right | 20:53 |
| johnsom | Can't we just do a stats pass through for nlbaas or the octavia api? | 20:53 |
| rm_work | i don't want to devote too much effort working on n-lbaas stuff | 20:53 |
| blogan | johnsom: thats essentially what its donig | 20:54 |
| rm_work | johnsom: yes | 20:54 |
| rm_work | that is what i am saying too | 20:54 |
| sbalukoff | Well, the stats model in n-lbaas is really, really primitive. | 20:54 |
| blogan | it still needs to handle listener stats | 20:54 |
| sbalukoff | We didn't spend much time on that at all when we built the lbaas v2 api / model. | 20:54 |
| blogan | sbalukoff: it is but why improve it and we're giong to throw it away? | 20:54 |
| rm_work | yeah | 20:54 |
| rm_work | ^^ this | 20:54 |
| sbalukoff | Right. | 20:54 |
| sbalukoff | Agreed. | 20:54 |
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| Frito | so many words to keep up with. I'll have to re-read after. | 20:54 |
| rm_work | i'd rather spend the time towards finishing what we need to deprecate n-lbaas, rather than do yet more work in it | 20:54 |
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| blogan | it only ever served as af unction for the user to get the current stats for their load balancer, that can still easily happen without octavia sending stats up to nlbaas | 20:55 |
| johnsom | blogan +1 | 20:55 |
| sbalukoff | Frito: I don't think anyone here really knows what the right answer is right now. | 20:55 |
| Frito | Yea, this would just be moving the call that's in the bottom of the current heartbeat right now. | 20:55 |
| Frito | Right | 20:55 |
| blogan | i know the right answer! | 20:55 |
| rm_work | i vote leave it for now | 20:55 |
| Frito | makes sense. I wanted to toss it out there. We can follow up in #openstack-lbaas if need be | 20:55 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: You don't count. | 20:55 |
| rm_work | yeah i'll need to look | 20:55 |
| blogan | add listener stats support to nlbaas, but leave it as a passthrough to the driver | 20:55 |
| sbalukoff | Ok. | 20:55 |
| blogan | sbalukoff: :( | 20:55 |
| rm_work | yeah i mean, stats HAVE TO come in through the heartbeat sooo | 20:56 |
| rm_work | just ... put them in our DB | 20:56 |
| rm_work | and leave it at that | 20:56 |
| blogan | rm_work: you mean octavia's db | 20:56 |
| rm_work | yes | 20:56 |
| sbalukoff | Sure. | 20:56 |
| rm_work | our | 20:56 |
| Frito | rm_work: they are already in octavias db | 20:56 |
| rm_work | exactly | 20:56 |
| rm_work | so | 20:56 |
| johnsom | I think we should handle stats as they come into healthmanager in octavia, and just query pass through from nlbaas to octavia DB for requests. | 20:56 |
| rm_work | don't change anything :p | 20:56 |
| Frito | current implementation has some holes in it where Neutrons stuff gets overwritten and all that w/ multiple amphorae | 20:56 |
| rm_work | yeah this ^^ johnsom ++ | 20:56 |
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| rm_work | i don't think there's an actual problem | 20:57 |
| Frito | johnsom: cool. Okay. I didn't think of that. | 20:57 |
| blogan | yeah, octavia will still need some mechanisms to send stats off to something like ceilometer | 20:57 |
| rm_work | yeah but that'll be separate | 20:57 |
| blogan | that shouldn't be in nlbaaas | 20:57 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: +1 | 20:57 |
| johnsom | Frito +1 yes, current implementation is not complete. | 20:57 |
| blogan | ok 2 mins, sounds like we've got consensus on this | 20:57 |
| blogan | Frito: got it? | 20:58 |
| johnsom | Agreed, the celio or whatever part is separate from this. | 20:58 |
| sbalukoff | Man, for a short meeting, we sure managed to fill the hour. Mostly with useless banter, but, eh... | 20:58 |
| Frito | Consensus enough. Leave as is for the message back up and at some point in the future the API will get re-routed (for lack of a better term) | 20:58 |
| rm_work | yep | 20:58 |
| Frito | yea, driver is a different discussion for me | 20:58 |
| rm_work | we don't need to be sending stats to n-lbaas IMO | 20:58 |
| johnsom | sbalukoff I knew I was doomed as soon as I typed it. | 20:58 |
| rm_work | essentially we should just NOT, and let n-lbaas query octavia | 20:58 |
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| Frito | Right on. Thx all | 20:59 |
| rm_work | aaaanywho, meeting over then? | 20:59 |
| johnsom | rm_work +1 | 20:59 |
| Frito | 30 seconds left :-D | 20:59 |
| blogan | still need to add listeners to the nlbaas stats though | 20:59 |
| sbalukoff | Heh! | 20:59 |
| johnsom | Yeah, that API probably needs to be enhanced. | 20:59 |
| sbalukoff | So it'll be a pass-through, as I (reluctantly) agree with blogan, eh. | 20:59 |
| sbalukoff | ;) | 20:59 |
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| johnsom | Ok, thanks folks! | 20:59 |
| sbalukoff | Thanks y'all! | 20:59 |
| blogan | yes! | 20:59 |
| fnaval | cool thanks! o/ | 20:59 |
| blogan | dance puppet | 21:00 |
| johnsom | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 11 21:00:05 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| blogan | bye | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2016/octavia.2016-05-11-20.00.html | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2016/octavia.2016-05-11-20.00.txt | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2016/octavia.2016-05-11-20.00.log.html | 21:00 |
| Frito | laters | 21:00 |
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