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sgordon#startmeeting telcowg14:03
openstackMeeting started Wed Mar  9 14:03:54 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is sgordon. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:03
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:03
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: telcowg)"14:03
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'telcowg'14:03
sgordon#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nfv-meeting-agenda14:04
sgordon#topic roll call o/14:04
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cloudonhi14:04
alraddarlahello14:04
adrian-hobanHello14:04
srwilkershello14:04
sgordon#topic action item review14:05
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sgordonwe had a few action items from last week...14:05
sgordon#info sgordon was to email product work group to confirm process for updating existing    proposals with mid-cycle changes (sgordon,    14:13:13)14:05
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sgordonthis did not actually happened, but based on the following AIs it seems we worked it out... ;)14:06
sgordon#info sgordon followed this process to move complex instance placement submission14:06
sgordon#link https://review.openstack.org/29045914:06
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sgordon#info cloudon followed this process to move vIMS submission14:06
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sgordon#link https://review.openstack.org/29034714:07
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sgordon#info sgordon followed this process to move security segregation submission14:07
sgordon#link https://review.openstack.org/29046214:07
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cloudonI also did the vSBC one14:08
cloudon#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/290060/14:08
sgordonah nice one14:08
sgordon#chair cloudon14:08
openstackCurrent chairs: cloudon sgordon14:08
sgordon#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/290060/14:08
cloudonfrom what I could see the main differences in the template (Aside from re-odering) was the removal of the gaps section?14:09
sgordon#info vSBC also submitted ^14:09
sgordoncloudon, yes it does appear that way14:09
sgordonthe process diagram has also been updated14:10
sgordon#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ProductTeam/User_Stories14:10
sgordoni believe what they have done is move gap analysis to the cross project team...14:10
sgordoni still think it would be nice to have somewhere to record already identified gaps14:10
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cloudonAgreed - seems a shame to lose that14:11
cloudonAm I right that the "cross project spec" and "user story tracker" both start out as "none" then get asigned some way into the process?14:12
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sgordoncloudon, yes14:12
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sgordoncloudon, the tracker i think is still wip14:13
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sgordonok14:14
sgordonso we will wait and see what the review feedback says but it looked to me like we had done what was expected14:15
sgordon#topic OPNFV and OpenStack Collaboration BoF14:15
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sgordon#link https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/summit-schedule/events/751014:15
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cloudonAll feedback/discussion is via gerrit review?14:15
sgordonyes that is the intent14:15
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sgordonok14:17
sgordoni wanted to highlight the above linked event from the openstack summit austin schedule14:17
sgordonjust for visibility14:18
cloudonIs that summit link correct? Can't get to it14:18
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sgordonseems to work here14:18
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sgordonO.o14:18
cloudonAh - works in IE, not Chrome - some security violation14:18
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sgordonweird14:19
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sgordonanyway, it's a thing :)14:19
sgordoni did not request a wg specific space for this summit instead figuring it would make sense to collaborate with the opnfv folks14:20
cloudonYup, looks useful14:20
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cloudonwill the PWG be doing anything related to submitted stories?14:20
sgordoni believe they were aiming for a working session on the friday14:21
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sgordonlet me check i am not sure if that would end up on this schedule or the design summit one14:21
sgordonnot listed yet14:21
sgordonthat was certainly the ask though14:22
cloudonok, ta14:22
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sgordon#topic next week14:23
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sgordonim going to be MIA during next week's meeting time14:23
sgordonnot sure if folks want to try keep the slot or skip14:23
sgordoni will also be away earlier in the week and miss the product wg meeting unfortunately14:23
cloudonI'm happy to skip but will try to make the PWG this time14:24
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sgordonexcellent, thanks for that14:24
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sgordonideally now that our submissions are up to date i think it makes sense to move more of the convo to the product wg14:25
sgordoni think we now have them all in their repo?14:25
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sgordon(or submitted against it at least)14:25
cloudonyes, think so14:25
sgordon#topic open discussion14:26
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sgordonanything else folks want to raise14:26
sgordoncloudon, adrian-hoban, alraddarla srwilkers ^14:27
sgordon?14:27
cloudonnope, I'm done14:27
alraddarlaNope, I'm good. Thanks!14:27
srwilkersnope :)14:27
adrian-hobanI haven't been able to attend for a while. Great to see the progress getting into the product-wg14:28
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sgordongetting there :)14:29
sgordonok14:30
sgordoni will send an email about cancelling next week14:30
sgordonthanks all for your time14:30
cloudonthanks14:30
sgordon!14:30
sgordon#endmeeting14:30
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openstackMeeting ended Wed Mar  9 14:30:20 2016 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)14:30
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srwilkersthanks14:30
srwilkerstake care14:30
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SukhdevFolks time for ML2 meeting16:00
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Sukhdev#startmeeting networking_ml216:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Mar  9 16:00:47 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is Sukhdev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
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Sukhdevyamamoto : hi16:00
Sukhdev#topic: Agenda16:01
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Sukhdev#link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2#Meeting_March_9.2C_201616:01
Sukhdev#topic: Announcements16:01
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Sukhdevrkukura is off today16:01
Sukhdevwho is here to attend the meeting?16:01
SukhdevI was hoping yalie will attend today - had some questions for him16:02
Sukhdevyamamoto: it seems like it is just you and me today16:02
yamamotoyea16:03
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SukhdevDo you have anything specific to discuss16:03
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yamamotonothing16:04
Sukhdevsince it is just two of us - we can go with customized agenda :-)16:04
Sukhdevyamamoto : I have a question for you -16:04
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Sukhdevhave you implemented or are familiar with Security Groups in ML2?16:04
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Sukhdev#topic: Open Agenda16:05
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yamamotomy coworker implemented SG for ml2/midonet.16:05
yamamotoso i'm kinda familiar with it.16:06
SukhdevI see - so, let me ask you couple of questions related to it16:06
yamamotosure16:06
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Sukhdevwhen one creates security groups (defines security rules, etc) and then launches an instance, sec groups is passed as a parameter to port create request in ML216:08
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SukhdevML2 driver can then act on those and implement the back-end16:08
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Sukhdevhowever, when the instance(s) are already running and a security group is modified16:09
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SukhdevIn order to modify the security policy on the instance, ML2 driver has to register for the callbacks16:10
yamamotoyes16:10
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Sukhdevso, in the callback, when a notification comes for the sec group change, ML2 has to figure out which ports are impacted or the impacted ports are in the notification?16:12
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yamamotoa driver need to figure out affected ports by itself.16:13
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Sukhdevthat is what I thought, but, wanted to check -16:14
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yamamotoin case of midonet, the driver just pass-through and the backend maintains the association.16:14
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Sukhdevcan you point me to where in midonet are callbacks processed?16:15
yamamotodriver? or backend?16:16
SukhdevAlso are the sec groups stored somewhere in the ML2 tables in DB16:16
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Sukhdevdriver16:16
Sukhdevmay be backend as well - if available16:16
yamamotohttps://github.com/openstack/networking-midonet/blob/master/midonet/neutron/ml2/sg_callback.py16:17
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yamamotobackend: https://github.com/midonet/midonet/blob/master/midonet-cluster/src/main/scala/org/midonet/cluster/services/c3po/translators/SecurityGroupRuleTranslator.scala16:18
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Sukhdevgot it - thanks16:18
yamamotoand this https://github.com/midonet/midonet/blob/master/midonet-cluster/src/main/scala/org/midonet/cluster/services/c3po/translators/SecurityGroupTranslator.scala16:18
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Sukhdevin your driver, do you support more than one security group on a given port?16:19
Sukhdevor all the security rules related to a port are folded into a single group?16:20
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yamamotowhat do you mean by folded?16:22
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Sukhdevmeaning all the sec rules are put into one group16:23
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yamamotoit supports multiple groups16:25
Sukhdevgot it - that is what I guessed from looking at the driver code16:25
Sukhdevthat answers my question16:25
SukhdevAnybody else has joined the meeting?16:26
yamamotogiven remote-group-id functionality, i'm not sure how folding into a single group work.16:26
Sukhdevyamamoto : it probably will not16:27
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yamamotoare you going to implement SG for some driver?16:27
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Sukhdevyes16:27
yamamotowhich driver?  just curious16:28
SukhdevArista ML216:28
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Sukhdevhence, wanted to see what is out there and pointers :-)16:28
yamahatabtw, regarding to sg, can you please help to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/281693/ ?16:29
yamamotoSG is complex to implement.  good luck.16:29
yamamotohi yamahata16:30
yamahatahi yamamoto16:30
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Sukhdevyamahata : welcome16:30
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yamamotoSukhdev: i guess you can ask a question for yalie to yamahata16:31
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Sukhdevwe were discussing security groups and ML216:31
yamahataYeah, I'm closely working with Yalei.16:31
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Sukhdevyamahata : I had questions for yalie regarding SG, but, I think yamamoto sort of answered those for me16:32
yamahataoh yamamoto knows everything...16:32
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yamamotoheh16:32
Sukhdevyup16:32
Sukhdevyamahata : I may ping you later in the week or next week - if I have more questions16:33
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yamahatasure.16:33
Sukhdevyamahata : in the mean time, I will review your patch and provide comments16:33
yamahataDue to timezone issue, it's difficult for yalei to join this meeting.16:33
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yamahataSukhdev: thanks.16:33
Sukhdevwhich time zone are you guys in?16:34
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yamahatayamahata in PST, yalei in china16:34
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yamamotoi'm in japan (UTC+9)16:35
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SukhdevOh I see16:35
SukhdevI am in PST16:36
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Sukhdevyamahata : do you have any agenda Item that you want to discuss?16:36
yamahataonly patch review.16:36
yamahatait's done.16:37
SukhdevOK cool16:37
SukhdevI guess in that case we are done16:38
SukhdevThanks for attending the meeting16:38
yamamotothank you16:38
yamahatathanks16:38
Sukhdevbye16:39
Sukhdev#endmeeting16:39
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federico3o/ ?16:55
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mugsie#startmeeting Designate17:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Mar  9 17:00:26 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mugsie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:00
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mugsie#topic Roll Call17:00
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Kiallo/17:00
timsimo/17:00
pglbutto/17:00
federico3o/17:00
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mugsiecourtesy ping: Kiall federico3 ekarlso- timsim sonuk elarson pglbutt17:01
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federico3courtesy pong17:01
KiallICMP Prohibited ;)17:01
mugsie#topic Action Items17:01
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mugsiemugsie to look at bug/154643717:01
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elarsono/17:02
mlavalleo/17:02
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mugsie done17:02
mugsiemugsie sent core nominiation to the -ml17:02
mugsiedone17:02
mugsiemugsie bp 24c957b17:02
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mugsie#action mugsie bp 24c957b17:02
mugsieelarson to bp b89a05e Ensure the zone records quota is enforced17:02
mugsiedone - i think?17:03
elarsondone!17:03
mugsiemugsie / someone to give elarson +2 powers17:03
mugsiedone :)17:03
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mugsieall hail elarson - the new +2/-2 holder :)17:03
rsyedo/17:03
elarson:)17:03
mugsie#topic Bug Triage (timsim - recurring)17:03
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mugsietimsim: over to you17:03
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timsimhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/154643717:04
openstackLaunchpad bug 1546437 in Designate "Unable to restart the keystone services" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Graham Hayes (grahamhayes)17:04
timsimProbably needs a status update17:04
mugsieyeah - will do that now17:04
timsimcool17:05
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timsimhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/155413017:05
openstackLaunchpad bug 1554130 in Designate "Zone imports are incredibly slow" [Undecided,New]17:05
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timsimSeems pretty important to me.17:05
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mugsieyeah.17:05
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mugsieH - RC117:06
KiallSlow sucks, but not it's not exactly a regression..17:06
Kiallbut it's not*17:06
mugsiei did think it was faster17:06
timsimIt used to be wayyyy faster17:06
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KiallDid it? Fair enough then!17:06
elarsontimsim: do we know when it changed?17:06
timsim400-500 record zones were done in seconds.17:06
timsimelarson: nope17:06
elarsonbummer17:06
timsimI don't think it was very recent17:06
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timsimI'm going to assign to myself17:07
mugsieOK. We need to try and track down roughly when it got soo bad17:07
elarsonsounds like a good reason to learn git bisect :)17:07
timsimhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/155506317:07
openstackLaunchpad bug 1555063 in Designate "Delayed deletion of records" [Undecided,New]17:07
mugsiecool - thanks timsim17:07
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KiallI think this is a bug.. But  I've been disagreed with last time I chatted with mugsie about it ;)17:07
KiallV1 API needs to filter out "PENDING DELETE"17:08
timsimBut what if it doesn't delete?17:08
mugsieI do not have that strong feelings about it, but I prefer to show it17:08
mugsieif someone deletes a record, then trys to recreate it, they will get a conflict17:08
KiallThat's the argument he had :) filter PENDING DELETE, but not ERROR DELETE?17:08
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timsimI guess it should go to error/delte eh17:08
KiallIt's "reappear" and cause someone to go asking?17:08
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KiallIt would*17:09
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mugsieI suppose it is along the line of managed records....17:09
mugsiewhy did we not have a status in the v1 api17:09
mugsie-_-17:09
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timsimAnyway17:10
mugsiewe can add the filter if needs be. I just don't like messing with the v1 api at all these days17:10
KiallBecause we didn't!.. SO, is it something we can fix by filtering?17:10
KiallIf so, H RC117:10
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mugsiethis would then have to be backported to Kilo before we release Mitaka17:10
timsimYeah, it's probably a really small fix.17:10
mugsieas Kilo will be EOL'd then17:10
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mugsieOK, sure v1 will go bye bye soon, right? :P - Med - RC17:11
timsimAlright17:11
mugsieand mark it for Liberty + Kilo17:11
timsimhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/155447617:12
openstackLaunchpad bug 1554476 in Designate "Designate CLI - No message on deletion or listing" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Preeti (pandey-preeti1)17:12
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mugsieduplicate17:12
KiallI think there's reviews up for that one?17:12
mugsielet me dig out the client one17:12
mugsiehttps://bugs.launchpad.net/python-designateclient/+bug/132329417:12
openstackLaunchpad bug 1323294 in python-designateclient "CLI does not give any mesage on successful deletes" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to sonu (sonu-bhumca11)17:12
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mugsiemark as duplicate, and link to ^ ?17:13
KiallYah17:13
timsimk17:13
timsimThat's it :)17:13
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mugsie#topic Stable Backport Triage (kiall - recurring)17:14
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Kiall#link http://paste.openstack.org/show/489885/17:14
KiallNot that many thius week, I'm wondering if I messed up somehow? lol17:14
mugsiebb10715 Merge "Fix for TCP connections not sending full content"17:14
Kiall+50017:14
federico3+infinity17:14
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elarson+117:14
mugsiei can do that today17:15
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mugsie#action mugsie backport bb10715 Merge "Fix for TCP connections not sending full content"17:15
mugsie#topic Designate/Neutron Integration Update (mlavalle - recurring)17:15
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mugsiemlavalle: around?17:15
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mlavallemugsie: hi17:15
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mlavalleI have continued working on the chapter for the Networking guide17:16
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mugsieyeah - just one more +2 needed  :)17:16
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mlavalleYesterday we got a +2 from one of the docs core reviewers17:16
mlavalleand armax, the Neutron PTL, gave us a +117:16
mlavalleso it should merge any time now17:17
mugsiecool17:17
mugsienearly there :)17:17
mugsieany questions?17:17
mlavalleAlmost there17:17
KiallCool, Neutron - Check, Nova - Check, Neutron Client - Check, Docs - 90% :)17:17
mugsieour intergration with neutron will have better docs than designate itself -_-17:18
mugsie:)17:18
mlavalleLOL17:18
mugsieOK - thanks mlavalle !17:18
mlavalleand btw, our presentation for the summit got approved17:18
mlavalleyay!17:18
Kiall:)17:18
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mugsie#topic sonuk: tempest plugin implementation17:18
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mugsiesonuk seems to be afk17:19
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mugsie#topic FFEs17:19
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mugsieI am looking at what can land before RC17:19
mugsie(feature wise)17:19
mugsieand I have this list:17:19
mugsiePools (Config + Scheduler)17:19
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mugsieALIAS17:19
mugsieService Status (maybe)17:20
mugsieany objections, or additions?17:20
mugsieit needs to land this week if it is going to be in Mitaka17:20
mugsieelarson: do you think you can get ALIAS in in time?17:20
timsimI'm not sure that's enough testing time for alias17:20
elarsonmugsie: not sure, we're working towards a release and I'm going to have to refactor some tests17:21
elarsonso it doesn't look like17:21
elarsonlike it*17:21
mugsieOK.17:21
Kiall.. yea, we have a feature complete deadline in a few hours for our next release too ;)17:21
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mugsieso, our FFEs are Pools Additions, + Service Status (maybe)17:22
mugsieeveryone ok with them?17:22
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Kiallyah.17:22
mugsietimsim: elarson ?17:22
* timsim doesn't know what an ffe is, but yeah17:22
mugsiesorry17:22
timsim:P17:22
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mugsieFeature Freeze Exception17:22
timsimFlat Face Excitement17:22
timsimok17:22
timsimSounds like fun!17:23
mugsieFeature Freeze was last week for mitaka :)17:23
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rsyedwould zone import/export support in designate-client be a candidate for FFE?  how critical is it17:23
elarson+117:24
mugsieThe client is frozen, as we cannot do a release of it right now.17:24
Kiallthe client has a different release schedule, we can add stuff there anytime we like17:24
rsyedgotcha, thanks for the clarification17:24
mugsieit will have to wait utill the stable/mitaka branch is cut17:24
mugsieand the library freeze is removceed17:24
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mugsiebut we can cut a new one really quick after that17:25
rsyedexcellent!17:25
Kiallyea, but it doesn't need to wait for the next 6 month release :)17:25
mugsieso it will be aroundf the mitaka release data17:25
mugsieOK, any other questions?17:25
mugsie#topic Open Discussion17:25
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mugsieany off agenda items?17:26
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KiallNone from me..17:26
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timsimplz review worker model :|17:26
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KiallSorry, it's been a hellish few weeks for me free time wise! It being a post-Mitaka thing, it's just not got anywhere high enough on my list :(17:27
mugsieYup - once we get the stuff in for mitaka - will be all ove that.17:27
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mugsieanything else?17:28
mugsiegoing once17:28
mugsietwice17:28
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mugsiegone17:28
Kiallcya :)17:28
mugsie#endmeeting17:28
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amrith#startmeeting trove18:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Mar  9 18:00:13 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is amrith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.18:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.18:00
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dougshelley66o/18:00
amrithreminder for vkmc johnma peterstac slicknik cp16net18:00
johnma o/18:01
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amrithMeeting agenda at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting18:01
amrith#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting18:01
peterstaco/18:01
amrithhello folks18:02
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amrithlet's wait a couple of minutes and get started18:02
amrithpeterstac, anyone else from the frozen cold climates joining us today18:02
atomic77/O\\18:02
peterstacyep, just cleared the lunch room18:02
schango/18:03
peterstacs/just/we all just/18:03
vgnbkro/18:03
amrithvkmc, johnma anyone else joining from your teams?18:03
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amrith#topic Trove pulse update18:04
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amrith#link http://bit.ly/1VQyg0018:04
johnmaimandhan will be joining18:04
imandhano/18:04
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amriththx to dougshelley66 for filling out the paperwork and getting the pretty graph updated.18:04
amriththe number of reviews in the week dropped a bit18:04
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amrithwould be good to get some reviews of the things we want merged in mitaka18:05
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amriththere's still a reasonable list of things that we would like to get merged, and there are potentially bugs you'd like to see merged as well.18:05
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amrithIf you look at the "Other" tab on the google sheet, you'll notice that the number of reviews waiting on reviewer has been going up.18:06
johnmawill do amrith.18:06
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amriththis means (surprise, surprise) we need to get those reviews done ...18:06
johnmado we have a starred list for bugs as well18:06
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amrithyes we do, it's later in the agenda18:07
amrithand the link is18:07
amrith#link  https://review.openstack.org/#/q/starredby:amrith+status:open18:07
johnmahas the FFE been accepted. not sure what the process is for that18:07
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peterstacjohnma, the PTL is supposed to do that ...18:07
amriththat's a great question. we sent the list out, I'm waiting to hear back. I haven't seen 'acceptances' for any other projects as well.18:08
johnmaoh ok18:08
peterstacI suspect that cp16net is still out of action18:08
amrithIn cp16net's absence, I'll find out what the process is18:08
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amrithand if he is the one who has to send out the acceptances, I'll do that18:08
johnmasounds good18:08
amrith#action [amrith] figure out who has to send FFE acceptances18:08
johnmaso amrith, once FFE is accepted how much time do we have to get the remaining features approved18:09
vkmcgood question johnma18:09
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amrithjohnma, yes18:09
amrithI'm just reading the process18:09
amrith#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/FeatureFreeze18:09
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pmackinno/18:09
amrithin pertinent part, the process seems to be "The PTL, with the assistance of the core developers of the associated product, will evaluate the request and grant or deny the exception. The farther we are in the release cycle, the less likely it is for the exception to be granted. Remember that the next cycle is just a month away :) "18:09
amrithSo, I guess we're all here (except cp16net)18:09
peterstacI believe there's still a hard-cutoff that you have to make18:10
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amrithIs there any FFE that any one of you (johnma, vkmc, peterstac) believe should *Not* be granted the FFE exception?18:10
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peterstacI think we should do our best to get it all in ;)18:10
amrithpeterstac, that wasn't the question ...18:11
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amrithit says we should evaluate and grant or deny the exception.18:11
amrithis there any FFE request that you would like to deny?18:11
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peterstaclet me restate: I believe all the outstanding FFE requests should be granted18:11
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amrithvkmc?18:11
amrithjohnma?18:11
johnma+1 peterstac18:11
vkmchow many FFE do we have? and how much time do we have to review?18:12
amrithlet me get you the list18:12
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amrithhttp://openstack.markmail.org/thread/66t3kgifagphxvdf18:13
vkmcI feel confident with the features that has been around for a while and need some manual testing, but not sure if all the FFE's are in the same stage18:13
vkmcthx amrith18:13
johnmagranting FFE and getting them approved are different things, right18:13
amrithhttp://markmail.org/message/yt46gdj7ystburjl18:13
vkmcyeah I think so johnma18:13
amrithjohnma, yes18:13
amrithI'm thinking now only about the granting part18:13
amrithSee above18:13
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amriththe process indicates that we have to grant or deny them.18:13
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amrithhttp://markmail.org/message/pwzfxpevnhrsderp18:13
johnmaok, makes sense. I think all should be granted18:14
peterstacWe should probably shoot to get them in by Friday - that's my guess18:14
amrithhttp://markmail.org/message/opbljf72drrkyia218:14
peterstacthey're targeting next week for RC118:14
amrith#agreed all FFE's requested should be granted18:14
amrithOk, now on to the next question, how long do we have18:14
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amrith#topic Announcements18:15
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vkmccool :)18:15
amrith#link  http://releases.openstack.org/mitaka/schedule.html18:15
amrithWe have until RC-118:15
amrithMar 14-1818:15
peterstacYeah, but that includes bug fixes (which we have some as well)18:16
amrithIn other words, all the code that we want in M release should be in the RC-118:16
amrithwhich includes bug fixes and features.18:16
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amrithso the answer to your question(s) is that we have till March 14-18 to get these reviews done.18:16
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amriththe sooner, the better.18:16
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johnmaok, that sounds good.18:16
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amrithAt this point, the reviews we need by RC-1 are https://review.openstack.org/#/q/starredby:amrith+status:open18:17
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amrithIs there other stuff that should be on the list?18:18
amrithI've added a couple of things (we'll talk about them later in the meeting).18:18
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peterstacYes, and probably stuff there that doesn't belong ...18:18
amrithbut, these are the reviews that I think should be done by RC-118:18
amrithpeterstac, what18:18
johnmathe requirements one18:18
amrithwhich ones?18:18
peterstacYeah, I'm not convinced that Matt R. has grasped the problem entirely (I'm still trying to grock it)18:19
johnmawell the ones Matt has are for the requirements project. We can review it but not approve them18:19
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amrithjohnma, they are on the list because they are a package. Let's table that conversation till later18:19
johnmaok18:19
amrithas stipulated, the 4 things related to requirements and backward compatibility, we'll talk about them.18:20
amrithwhat about the others.18:20
amrithare we missing anything?18:20
amrithAre there extraneous things?18:20
peterstac#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/290177/18:20
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peterstac#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/290275/18:21
amrithok, these are the module management ones18:21
johnmaI need to open a defect for the db2 install issue18:21
amrithwhich we got FFE's for18:21
peterstacstill have to fix a py27 issue in the second one - should have that done this afternoon18:21
dougshelley66i assume the starred list should only contain features that have FFEs at this point?18:21
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amrithjohnma, peterstac please send me the reviews so I can star them.18:22
amrithdougshelley66, yes18:22
johnmaI thought the starred list was the complete list for bugs and features18:22
amrithare there things that shouldn't be on there?18:22
amrithyes johnma, if there are things that are not there, let me know.18:22
dougshelley66i don't think there is an FFE for https://review.openstack.org/25916718:22
amrithvkmc, is the list complete?18:22
peterstacwell, I'm not convince the requirements stuff is being handled correctly18:23
vkmcamrith, checking out18:23
amrithpeterstac, yes this is stuff we need to review.18:23
vkmcthere is no FFE for #25916718:24
amrithjohnma, do you have FFE's for all the thing there (CouchDB B&R, DB2 B&R, CouchDB user/db functions, couchDB replication)18:24
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imandhancouchdb replication is for newton I believe18:24
johnmawe are not doing couchdb replication this release amrith. We pushed that to next release18:24
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johnmawe need to remove that from your list18:25
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amrithyes vkmc, I removed the star18:25
amrithrefresh your screen18:25
vkmcamrith, cool, thx18:25
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amrithjohnma, so https://review.openstack.org/255437 comes off the list18:25
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amrithdone, please refresh18:25
johnmayes Sir18:25
amrith:)18:26
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amrithTBD's for the bugs that johnma and peterstac will send in18:26
amrithas soon as the reviews are in, I'll star them.18:26
amrithso the link is https://review.openstack.org/#/q/starredby:amrith+status:open18:26
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amrithif we're good with the list, let's move on (we'll get back to the requirements stuff)18:27
amrith#topic Summit planning18:27
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amrith#link  https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/trove-newton-proposed-sessions18:27
peterstacamrith, my reviews are in - I included links above18:27
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amrithplease add sessions you'd like for summit at that etherpad18:27
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amrithI requested rooms based on a shortlist we'd made at the mid-cycle18:28
amrithpeterstac, I've starred your two reviews.18:28
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peterstacok, see them now, thx18:28
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amrithRemember to add your name to the sessions (session leader)18:29
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amrithok ...18:31
amrithso we can all do that as our homework!18:31
amrith#topic Open Discussion18:32
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amrithpeterstac, ... go ahead18:32
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amrithI can give you a synopsis of the requirements issue to start.18:32
amrithif you'd like18:32
amrithso everyone is caught up on the story so far.18:32
amrithok, here goes.18:33
amrithif a person wrote a python client application that used the python-troveclient and used the slave_of parameter to create(), then version 2.1.0 of the client will break the application.18:33
amriththis is the 'backwards compatibility' issue that Matt is describing.18:34
amriththis email (a part of a long thread) will tell you where we're at now.18:34
amrithhttp://markmail.org/message/njtfjbbryyxfmgna18:34
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amrithI believe that the changes being proposed [1] https://review.openstack.org/290048/ [2] https://review.openstack.org/290023/ [3] https://review.openstack.org/290021/ [4] https://review.openstack.org/290168/18:35
amrithare at best incomplete.18:35
amrithif we do want to ensure backward compatibility the way Matt is describing, I think we should also back out the API change.18:35
amrithI'll let y'all read the email and get caught up.18:35
amrithThis link (http://markmail.org/message/bm3dwtgec3bz6ewc) was the email I sent this morning18:36
amriththe link earlier was Matt's response ...18:36
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amritheveryone caught up?18:37
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amrithyes ... someone say something ;)18:41
dougshelley66i'm caught up18:41
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amrithpeterstac, vkmc, johnma, anyone else ...18:42
amrithwhat are your thoughts?18:43
vkmcnothing from my side18:43
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amrithvkmc, what are your thoughts on this backwards compatibility issue?18:43
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dougshelley66seems like the cleanest way forward is to back out the client and back end changes and blacklist the 2.1.0 client18:43
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dougshelley66which is close to what matt's patches contemplate18:43
peterstacI need to do some more research - I did some last night, but I've been focused on getting my stuff up for review18:43
vkmcI have to catch up with that, that's why I cannot share my thoughts yet :)18:44
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amrithok, we'll have to wait18:44
amrithwe need to decide something about this18:44
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peterstacIf we do revert it, we should make sure that our tests use the correct (i.e. new) interface18:46
peterstacI think that was part of the problem - our tests kept using the deprecated APIs18:47
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amrithwell peterstac ... I asked that in email and Matt specifically said no, since the slave_of is a valid parameter he is still using that.18:48
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dougshelley66i think peterstac is saying that we should change the tests in master18:48
dougshelley66to use "replica_of"18:48
amriththey already do18:49
amriththey have to because the 2.1.0 client has no slave_of18:49
amrithand the tests are in trove repository18:49
dougshelley66right but if we revert the back end change it will put the test code back to?18:49
amrithand the clietn is in troveclient ;)18:49
dougshelley66ok18:49
amrithdougshelley66, yes, I guess revert* is what I meant.18:49
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amrithjohnma, any thoughts on this?18:50
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pmackinnamrith, so this is actually impacting users, right? as opposed to a technical transgression18:50
amrithpmackinn, hmm.18:51
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amrithlet me see.18:51
dougshelley66pmackinn it was noticed by the tests on stable/liberty18:51
peterstacamrith, my point is that as soon as we deprecated 'slave_of' we should have immediately changed the tests to reflect that18:51
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amrithto the best of my knowledge, this is a testing discovery.18:52
peterstac(should have been done 2 cycles ago)18:52
amrithpmackinn, ^^18:52
amrithpeterstac, we never did deprecate slave_of the way Matt is doing now18:52
peterstacI think if we would have changed our tests way back when, nobody would have noticed this18:52
amrithwith a warning and all that.18:52
amrithpeterstac, that's Matt's point, I guess18:53
peterstacyeah, that was also a mistake18:53
amriththat this test did in fact find something which shouldn't have happened.18:53
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dougshelley66peterstac, you are correct but merely fixing the tests in stable branches isn't appropriate now18:53
peterstacsure, but I want to make sure that if we roll back the change that we *don't* roll back the test changes18:54
amrithok, we're getting close to time. I'll look for any input y'all may have either on #openstack-trove or by email.18:54
peterstacthe tests should be using replica_of, even if slave_of is to be supported again (briefly)18:54
dougshelley66peterstac agreed18:55
amrithpeterstac, I agree. But not everyone agrees with that point of view.18:55
amrithok, so let's move on.18:56
amrithanything else for open discussion in the last 3 minutes18:56
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amrith2 minutes.18:58
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amrithok, going once.18:58
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amrith#endmeeting trove18:59
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bloganhi!20:00
madhu_akright timing! Hi20:00
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johnsom#startmeeting Octavia20:00
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openstackMeeting started Wed Mar  9 20:00:34 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is johnsom. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.20:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.20:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'octavia'20:00
sbalukoffHowdy folks!20:00
johnsomHi everyone20:00
bharathmHi o/20:00
rm_worko/20:01
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johnsom#topic Announcements20:01
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johnsomWe got at least six LBaaS related talks accepted for Austin!  Good job folks!20:02
sbalukoffYay!20:02
johnsomI have included the links here:20:02
johnsom#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Octavia/Weekly_Meeting_Agenda20:02
johnsomReally pretty cool from our little corner of OpenStack20:03
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johnsomAny other announcements?20:03
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johnsom#topic20:03
johnsomMitaka blueprints/rfes/m-3 bugs for neutron-lbaas and octavia20:03
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johnsomOk, so Mitaka is winding to a close.  RC1 this week.20:04
sbalukoffThere are more bugfixes in the Octavia queue that need attention20:04
sbalukoff#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Mitaka_LBaaS_priority_reviews20:04
johnsomWe still have ~23 open bugs targeted for Mitaka20:04
johnsom#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/octavia/+bugs?field.tag=target-mitaka20:04
dougwigrelated note, this review modifies the governance of lbaas-dashboard to match octavia: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/290735/20:05
sbalukoffHandy!20:05
johnsomdougwig Yeah, let's talk about that given dashboard is for LBaaSv2.....20:05
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rm_workok sbalukoff i will look today if i can20:05
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rm_workmaybe laaaaater or maybe nowish20:05
johnsomdougwig Can we talk about that during open discussion?20:06
rm_workin HAProxy training with bedis :P20:06
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dougwigyep20:06
sbalukoffrm_work: Sounds good, thanks!20:06
johnsomThere are a number of bugs still open for TrevorV20:06
johnsomDo we know if those are going to get addressed?20:07
johnsomAll of which are deferred bugs from the merge20:07
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TrevorVo/20:07
TrevorVSorry I'm late20:07
bloganwhat a coincidence!20:07
johnsomSpeaking of TevorV20:07
sbalukoffSpeak of the devil!20:08
bloganits like someone told him...20:08
TrevorV*poof* here I am20:08
sbalukoffHaha20:08
johnsomTrevorV I was just asking about the deferred bugs that are still open for Mitaka20:08
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johnsomCan we get those done today/tomorrow?20:08
fnavalo/20:09
TrevorVThat should be possible, if we can do a little talk about how shared pools should work20:09
sbalukoffTrevorV: Didn't we already have that talk?20:09
TrevorVDid we decide?  (scattered in the brain ATM)20:09
sbalukoffAlso, I don't *think* those bugs are dependent on shared-pools support in one-call-create.20:09
TrevorVI thought one of them was shared-pools specifically20:09
sbalukoffWell, one of them is, yes.20:09
johnsomI think they are all missing unit test issues20:09
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johnsomhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/octavia/+bugs?field.tag=target-mitaka20:10
sbalukoffIf you have time to fix the lack of shared-pools support in one-call-create, that would be great. But at this point I doubt you've got the time.20:10
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johnsomOther than that, there are a bunch of patches up that have +2, cores please review those so we can get them in20:11
blogansbalukoff: to make it in for Mitaka?20:11
sbalukoffblogan: Yes.20:11
TrevorVsbalukoff To recap, its utilizing the name as a unique identifier, right?20:11
TrevorVAs well as adding id-verification20:11
sbalukoffTrevorV: No... let's talk after this.20:11
TrevorVAlright20:11
johnsomThe last open bug(s) is around admin_state_up not working.  bharathm and I are working on that today.20:11
johnsomAlso, FYI, the tracking page for FFE and postmortem is here:20:12
johnsom#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286413/5/specs/mitaka/postmortem/postmortem.rst20:12
johnsomI think we have updated all of our sections.20:12
johnsomdougwig is there more we need to do there?20:13
dougwigi don't think so.20:13
johnsomExcellent20:13
johnsom#topic Decide on Mitaka octavia release number20:13
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johnsomWith our impending Mitaka release we need to decide on our release number.20:14
neelashah1dougwig if dashboard will release with octavia does it need to be added to the ffe list?20:14
* johnsom slaps blogan's wrist. (Again...)20:14
dougwigneelashah1: no.20:14
TrevorVjohnsom actually I don't see the shared-pools bug we talked about.20:14
rm_work9001?20:14
sbalukoffHaha20:14
johnsomTrevorV So it's not targeted for Mitaka and there is time on that one20:14
TrevorVOh okay20:14
bloganwhat are the release number options?20:14
TrevorVgot it20:14
johnsomWe are currently at 0.520:15
johnsomDo we think we are 1.0 worthy?20:15
sbalukoffI'd put at 0.9.20:15
bloganhmmm20:15
johnsomOr still 0.75-ish?20:15
fnavalnope20:15
TrevorVDo we have scaling?20:15
TrevorVI thought scaling was 1.020:15
rm_work0.999a-120:15
dougwigour earlier 1.0 mvp included some kind of fault tolerance.20:15
sbalukoffYeah... maybe closer to 0.7520:15
TrevorVWe have failover?20:15
sbalukoffTrevorV: We have failover.20:15
johnsomWell, on my roadmap active/active was after 1.020:15
bloganapi is missing features, i'd not be comfortable with it being 1.0 bc of that20:15
dougwigif active/standby and ha controllers are good to go...20:15
rm_workyeah < 120:16
johnsom1.0 was active/standby20:16
rm_workmaybe .975320:16
johnsomish20:16
rm_workor are we feeling more 0.8-ish20:16
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blogannumber shedding?20:16
* rm_work is too caffeinated20:16
dougwiggood heavens, this is the most hippyish release numbering i've ever seen.20:16
sbalukoffHA controllers are not... particularly ready to go. You can do it as long as only one runs at a time. But operators are beholden to "figure that out" right now without documentation.20:16
TrevorVbike numbering?20:16
ApsuJust don't HA your HA and you're set.20:17
rm_workI like 0.7520:17
ApsuYo dawg20:17
johnsomHA controllers as a post 1.0 I think as well.  Not sure20:17
sbalukoffHaha20:17
rm_worknext release can be 0.87520:17
TrevorVrm_work you didn'20:17
TrevorVyou didn't stop****20:17
sbalukoffMan... have to dig out those old roadmaps we put together a loooong time ago.20:17
sbalukoffShould probably get those updated.20:17
dougwigy'all are gonna vote, i can feel it.20:17
blogan.620:17
TrevorVsbalukoff they're still in tree I think :P20:17
bloganjust go one up and be sane20:17
rm_workthen then 0.937520:17
TrevorVI think 0.5.920:17
fnavaljust use constants, e, c20:18
sbalukoffblogan: +120:18
rm_workwe can just approach 120:18
johnsomOk, so I'm hearing 1.0 is out, so I vote for 0.820:18
rm_workyeah i think we're more 0.8 than 0.620:18
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sbalukoffHaha20:18
sbalukoffI'm fine with 0.820:18
TrevorVI'm okay with 0.8, all jokes aside20:18
blogansure .820:18
sbalukoffDone!20:18
johnsomDone20:18
sbalukoffNo vote necessary20:18
rm_work... that was a vote20:19
bloganit fits the requirement of .5 < x < 1.020:19
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sbalukoffThat was a *discussion*20:19
sbalukoffWe didn't use the voting system.20:19
johnsom#topic Open Discussion20:19
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johnsomCores please review patches!20:19
sbalukoffYes, please!20:19
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fnavalplease review this later today: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/17219920:19
sbalukoffI'll jump into that for the patches that aren't mine later today, too. :D20:19
* dougwig head is spinning.20:19
fnavali'm going to make 1 change to make it work with the shared pools stuff20:19
fnavalthen it should be rady20:20
fnavalready20:20
bloganI'd like for Newton to start filling in the gaps of the Octavia API to get parity with neutron-lbaas20:20
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bloganare we still as a group on board with that?20:20
sbalukofffnaval: Ping me when it's ready.20:20
fnavalsbalukoff: sure thanks!20:20
madhu_akdougwig, can you +1 on project-config patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/284875/20:20
rm_workwhat is newton20:20
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sbalukoffblogan: Yep.20:20
bloganN release20:20
sbalukoffSo!20:20
rm_workdid i miss a project starting? :P20:20
dougwigmadhu_ak: i can take a look at it, i can't promise a particular result.  :)20:20
rm_workoh we named that already, right20:20
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rm_workforgot they did two at once this time20:20
johnsomdougwig The topic of dashboard under octavia project.20:21
sbalukoffNext week, or whenever the RC is cut and newton is open: We need to have a design discussion around features targeted for Newton.20:21
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sbalukoffWe could really use feedback on this:20:21
sbalukoffhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/234639/ Add spec for active-active20:21
TrevorVI have a question to gauge the group with20:21
johnsomThat seems, odd.  Just temp?20:21
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TrevorVSo I'm supposed to write up docs for the single create20:21
sbalukoffBecause I know that IBM will be working hard to make that happen in Newton.20:21
dougwigjohnsom: really, that's a topic of me considering the "lbaas project" to be octavia, neutron-lbaas, and neutron-lbaas-dashboard.  and if we're kicking -dashboard to release indepedent, let's keep it close to octavia.  IMO.20:21
sbalukoffEspecially given I'm apparently signed up for a talk to showcase a proof-of-concept of the same at the Austin summit. XD20:22
johnsomsbalukoff Let's focus on getting the Mitaka patches reviewed as we already put active/active out of scope for Mitaka20:22
dougwigrepeat of review link on that governance change:20:22
dougwighttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/290735/20:22
TrevorVIs anyone against me detailing the request in a paragraph and then providing a full example of request/response?20:22
johnsomdougwig Ok20:22
sbalukoffdougwig: +120:22
minwang2I am still working on the launchpad ticket —File creation susceptible to TOCTOU type attack(https://bugs.launchpad.net/octavia/+bug/1548552)20:22
openstackLaunchpad bug 1548552 in octavia "File creation susceptible to TOCTOU type attack" [High,In progress] - Assigned to min wang (swiftwangster)20:22
TrevorVRather than some massively verbose table of all the elements and such?20:22
nmagnezihello guys :)20:22
sbalukoffOh!20:22
sbalukoffFor all things docs:20:23
sbalukoff#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/lbaas-octavia-docs-needed20:23
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sbalukoffI have a call with IBM tech writers tomorrow afternoon. I'm hoping to get help fleshing out our docs.20:23
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sbalukoffThat's the summary of what I would like to see eventually.20:23
sbalukoffPlease update that!20:23
johnsomYes, that etherpad for docs is great20:23
sbalukoffTrevorV: Please add a note about single-create to that.20:23
nmagnezia question about amphora-agent: i noticed that the agent configures interfaces inside the service vm when it starts. my question is: why? won't it be preferable that the diskimage-create script will pre-configure the interfaces (which are dhcp anyways) when it cooks the image?20:24
madhu_akI created a launchpad ticket for lb's status is in PENDING_UPDATE for about 50-55 mins after creating a listener with TLS no SNI. https://bugs.launchpad.net/octavia/+bug/155531620:24
openstackLaunchpad bug 1555316 in octavia "loadbalancer status is stuck in PENDING_UPDATE for about 50-55 mins after creating listener with TLS no SNI" [Undecided,New]20:24
johnsomnmagnezi No, we hot-plug interfaces20:24
nmagnezijohnma, care to elaborate?20:25
fnavalmadhu_ak: i'll see if I can reproduce20:25
TrevorVSo no one cares about how I'll write that up?  If I follow the current structure of requests, the table will be insane.20:25
blogannmagnezi: we have the option to have a standby pool of prebuilt amps, which are active but are not configured we will not know what networks they need to be hot plugged into upfront20:25
johnsomnmagnezi We hot-plug interfaces into the amphora VM, so those interfaces are not necessarily present at boot time.20:25
sbalukoffTrevorV: You will need to show a fully-fleshed-out example in your docs somewhere. :/20:25
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TrevorVsbalukoff that's what I'm talking about, I WANT the example, I DON'T want the table20:26
blogannmagnezi: would work great for containers though! since they can't hot plug20:26
bloganwhenever we get support for that in20:26
sbalukoffTrevorV: Then maybe I don't understand what you mean by 'table'20:26
johnsomTrevorV yeah, I am having a hard time visualizing as well20:26
TrevorVhttps://raw.githubusercontent.com/openstack/octavia/master/doc/source/api/octaviaapi.rst20:27
nmagneziblogan, johnsom, I understand the reasoning now. thanks! the reason i'm asking is because it is configuring the NICs ubuntu style. meaning it sets invalid configuration in Centos/Fedora/RHEL based images20:27
TrevorVIf you look in there, the sections that are "tables"20:27
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TrevorVAll the objects of the LB are defined in tables, and then an example is provided20:27
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TrevorVI'm talking about just saying "single create uses all the things above in one call, like so:" more or less20:28
TrevorVYou know, more officially20:28
TrevorVBut only including an example, and a reference to the other sections20:28
nmagneziblogan, johnsom, the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/octavia/+bug/1548070 . I hope to submit a fix soon, but in general the agent should be aware of the OS it is running on.20:28
openstackLaunchpad bug 1548070 in octavia "Amphora agent fails to start in a Centos based amphora" [Medium,New]20:28
johnsomnmagnezi Yes.  That could be fixed.  If you set the interfaces file name option, it does work with RedHat style systems as it uses the interface file and not the .d directory20:28
sbalukoffTrevorV: Oh! Ok, so... something does need to be added to the Octavia API reference about this. But I don't think you need a massive table under 'create a load balancer' which repeats all the stuff in later sections.20:28
blogannmagnezi: indeed it should, we just got it working for ubuntu first20:28
TrevorVRight, if everyone can agree on that, then I'll have a review up tonight/tomorrow20:28
blogani never tested it out with any redhat distros20:29
johnsomTrevorV I think you can just reference the other sections.20:29
TrevorVPerfect20:29
neelashah1johnsom: are amphora images hosted on openstack infra? if so, can you point me to where?20:29
nmagnezijohnsom, the filename is one thing. but it's configurable so it's ok. but it is missing the jinja2 template for valid configuration and also the logic of when to use which template20:29
TrevorVThen I'll work something into it all, and when its up for review you guys can provide some feedback, as per usual20:29
TrevorVas is tradition20:29
sbalukoffOk.20:29
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johnsomneelashah1 No, they are built by devstack plugin script or the user using the diskimage-create.sh script included20:30
sbalukoffjohnsom: Just to be clear on everyone's focus for the next week:  We should be working on bug fixes or bug fix reviews, yes?20:30
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neelashah1markvan ^20:30
sbalukoffjohnsom: Newton stuff and stuff not necessary for the RC1 deadline should happen next week, yes?20:30
nmagneziI have a question about what sbalukoff pointed above. re: controller HA. is that not expected to work at all for Mitaka? for all services what consist the controller? worker, health-manager, housekeeping20:31
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johnsomsbalukoff Yes, the focus this week is bug fixes and bug reviews.  We really need to get the fixes in for Mitaka20:31
TrevorVI have a top priority internally for neutron lbaas single-create20:31
sbalukoffnmagnezi: It works so long as you have one instance of the controller-worker and health manager running at a time. We have not tested it with multiple instances, and it's unlikely to work, given what I know about the code.20:31
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sbalukoffSo you can achieve HA if you code a way to detect a failure of one of these processes and deal with it yourself.20:32
TrevorVSo I can't say I share that dedication for the bug fixes, but the two bugs I have for mitaka I'll get in tonight/tomorrow for sure20:32
sbalukoffThere are no pre-packaged scripts for this right now, though.20:32
johnsomnmagnezi You can have multiple instances of the controller processes20:32
johnsomsbalukoff You are wrong on single instance20:32
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minwang2I will try to wrap upthe bug that i am working ASAP20:32
sbalukoffjohnsom: I am? You guys have tested this?20:32
bharathmsbalukoff: we can have multiple workers20:32
rm_workTrevorV: i thought single-create for neutron-lbaas got -2'd for Mitaka, or is that old news and now it is RFE'd in or something?20:32
nmagnezijohnsom, same node? multiple nodes? both cases?20:33
bharathmWe tested this on a multi-node env and it works20:33
TrevorVrm_work doesn't matter, reach needs it at Rax20:33
rm_workor was that something else entirely20:33
johnsomnmagnezi It has been very lightly tested and will not fail over requests that are in process yet20:33
sbalukoffHuh! Ok.20:33
rm_workah :/20:33
TrevorVYeah20:33
TrevorVmy same face20:33
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nmagnezijohnsom, got it. and by controller which octavia process do you mean?20:34
johnsomnmagnezi All four and both cases20:34
johnsomnmagnezi but same node might get strange with port issues20:34
nmagnezijohnsom, got it, thank you for the answers :)20:34
nmagnezijohnsom, make sense20:35
johnsomnmagnezi I highly recommend doing extra testing if you plan to deploy this way, as we have lightly tested it.20:35
blogani haven't tested it out either, but seems like it would work20:35
sbalukoffjohnsom: When did y'all test it?20:35
johnsomIt's not a feature I am highlighting as "we are controller HA"20:36
sbalukoffI'm willing to bet there are race conditions... but I'm not sure I could reliably reproduce them.20:36
sbalukoffAfter all, events that change things are relatively rare.20:36
bloganyou're a race condition!20:36
nmagnezijohnsom, is this expected to get test coverage (tempest?) at some point? is it in the works?20:36
johnsomAs those services were being written.  Yes, there likely are bugs20:36
johnsomYes, at some point.  We also plan to have recovery for in progress requests in a future release20:37
sbalukoff(ie. job board)20:37
johnsomOk, any other Mitaka concerns.  I think cascade delete is going to be on the out list.20:37
johnsomdougwig Any comments on that?20:37
blogansounds like it20:37
fnavalnmagnezi: no tempest tests for it as far as I know; please create a blueprint/bug for it though20:38
johnsomReally unfortunate given the series of events20:38
dougwigjohnsom: sorry, wasn't paying attention.  scrolling20:38
bloganand if thats the case...should we just drop the current proposed way and put it on the lbtree resource? since that is being done for single create?20:38
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nmagnezifnaval, will do20:38
* sbalukoff gets out his paint again.20:38
fnavalnmagnezi: thank you so much20:38
johnsomblogan If that is the case, we can continue painting after Mitaka release20:38
* blogan paints paint20:39
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johnsomdougwig Cascade delete mess.  Not landing I take it?  I hope it's not just because of the client release timing.20:39
dougwigjohnsom: oh, i hadn't seen the defer. gimme a few, not sure yet.20:40
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blogandougwig: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287593/20:40
bloganlast comment20:41
dougwigare both the client and server ready to go?20:41
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johnsomYes20:41
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johnsomI think the issue was around neutron client being cut early20:42
johnsomWe argued about the API path too long20:42
sbalukoffWhy was it cut early?20:42
sbalukoffSo that somebody could create the CLI command reference using their non-documented procedure? :P20:42
dougwighmm.... OR, we could move the client commands into an in-repo extension and do an end-run around the cat's skin.20:43
johnsomDon't get me started on the docs issues.  No answers that actually work from those folks.  Just deleted docs.20:43
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sbalukoff(Not actually looking for an answer to that, I guess, just pointing out what a mess that all is.)20:43
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johnsomdoug-fish for the dashboard cascade delete are you using the neutron client or just going to the API?20:44
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doug-fishneutron client20:45
sbalukoffDamn.20:45
dougwigposted an alternative in the review.20:45
dougwigwe'd need to shuffle some files around.20:45
johnsomOk, so, seems un-likely20:45
doug-fishGoing out the door without cascading delete from the UI isn't my favorite, but it's not the end of the world.20:46
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doug-fishthis could be updated during the stable release cycle later on right?20:47
blogandoug-fish: so without cascading delete users will still be able to delete things?20:47
blogandoug-fish: you mean as a backport?20:47
doug-fishblogan: yes20:48
blogandoug-fish: likely not, features arent backported20:48
doug-fishblogan: yes, as a backport - also yes to users can delete things part by part20:48
johnsomRight, only bug fixes get backported20:48
blogandoug-fish: sorry i asked back to back yes/no questions lol20:48
doug-fishI have to run but will be back later20:49
bloganah well if users can delete things part by part, i'm less inclined to jump through hoops just to get the cascade delete in, it'll go in almost immediately when N opens up20:49
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blogannot assuming bike shedding20:49
johnsomYeah, I agree, pushing rope at this point20:49
Apsuphrasing20:49
rm_worklol20:49
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dougwigif the client piece got done today, i'd be willing to push hard for M. if that's going to take awhile, then it might indeed be N.20:50
rm_workwell, i think it IS done?20:50
rm_workbut not with the alternate method?20:50
dougwigas an extension, not in python-neutronclient20:50
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dougwigno way will i be able to budge the client proper.20:51
johnsomdougwig Client is done as-is, your proposal I don't know how that works20:51
blogandougwig: would that extension have to live on as an extension?20:51
dougwigjohnsom: you put the client code in neutron-lbaas, and add a stevedore extension that python-neutronclient finds automagically.  http://docs.openstack.org/developer/python-neutronclient/devref/client_command_extensions.html20:51
rm_workah k20:51
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dougwigblogan: if you ask me, all the lbaas client commands should be in our repo as an extension.20:52
rm_workhuh, that doesn't seem to bad20:52
rm_work^^ actually I agree with that20:52
johnsomSo you have to install neutron-lbaas on the hosts that run the client?  Not sure that would fly20:52
rm_workah THAT is interesting20:52
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dougwigjohnsom: you could always put it in yet another separate repo, i guess. :)20:52
rm_workT_T nevermind i take it back20:52
johnsomYep, that would sadly be the way to go20:52
blogancan we create an lbaas stadium?20:53
rm_work:P20:53
johnsomblogan I like the way you think!  Grin20:53
dougwigjohnsom: right, because installing n-l pulls in n, which pulls in ovs and crap.  ugh.20:53
johnsomRight20:53
bloganwe have to accept our fate20:53
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dougwigdoes -dashboard just need the api?20:53
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blogandougwig: it needs the client20:54
johnsomI'm sure openstackclient will solve all of our problems....20:54
sbalukoffHaha20:54
bloganjohnsom: yes...of course20:54
dougwigreally gross, but the client extension could go into -dashboard.  oh god, i can't believe i typed that.20:54
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sbalukoffEew.20:54
bloganokay with that meeting is almost done20:54
dougwighitler!20:54
blogandougwig has lost it20:54
* johnsom face palms20:54
dougwiggodwin has been invoked20:54
bloganand godwin20:54
sbalukoffHaha20:54
johnsomOk, any other topics in the next six minutes?20:55
ajmillerQuick sanity check regarding dashboard.;20:55
ApsuDashboard sanity checks always fail20:55
johnsomajmiller yes?20:56
ajmillerLOL.  I just want to have common understanding that it is OK to merge patches.  Or not?20:56
johnsomajmiller Yes.  They are proposing an independent release cadence, so please continue reviews.20:56
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johnsomdougwig Do you agree?20:57
neelashah1johnsom dougwig - its unclear to me who will be doing this independent release for the dashboard…just so we can stay in sync and get ready...20:57
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neelashah1maybe we can continue in the lbaas channel20:58
johnsomneelashah1 I can be your release point person.20:58
neelashah1ok, great…thanks, johnsom!20:58
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johnsomOk, thanks folks!  Please fix bugs and do reviews!!!!20:58
johnsom#endmeeting20:59
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