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| shaohe_feng | ndipanov: hi | 13:26 |
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| shaohe_feng | baoli: ping | 13:26 |
| ndipanov | shaohe_feng, hello | 13:26 |
| shaohe_feng | ndipanov: hello. | 13:27 |
| shaohe_feng | can you help to have a look at this path? | 13:27 |
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| shaohe_feng | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/271925/1/nova/pci/manager.py | 13:27 |
| shaohe_feng | ndipanov: ^ | 13:27 |
| baoli | shaohe_feng: hi | 13:28 |
| shaohe_feng | ndipanov: this bub has block our PCI and SRIOV CI | 13:28 |
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| ndipanov | shaohe_feng, that was fixed | 13:28 |
| shaohe_feng | baoli: hi. can you help to have a look this patch? https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1536509 | 13:28 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1536509 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "boot n-cpu from a clean database lead to pci passthrough stop work" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Yongli He (yongli-he) | 13:28 |
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| ndipanov | shaohe_feng, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/269764/ | 13:29 |
| ndipanov | will comment on your patch | 13:29 |
| ndipanov | but that should be fixed on master for several days now | 13:29 |
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| shaohe_feng | ndipanov: great. then we can recover PCI and SRIOV CI. | 13:30 |
| shaohe_feng | ndipanov: thank you very much. | 13:31 |
| shaohe_feng | baoli: thank you. | 13:31 |
| baoli | shaohe_feng: sure. will take a look | 13:31 |
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| ndipanov | shaohe_feng, ping me in case it is not fixed though | 13:33 |
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| shaohe_feng | ndipanov: yes. I will. We will start PCI/SRIOV CI to test it. | 13:37 |
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| dprince | #startmeeting tripleo | 14:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 26 14:02:04 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dprince. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tripleo' | 14:02 |
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| derekh | yp | 14:02 |
| derekh | yo | 14:02 |
| jdob | o/ | 14:02 |
| dtantsur | o/ | 14:02 |
| marios | \o | 14:02 |
| trown | o/ | 14:02 |
| dprince | hi everyone | 14:02 |
| shadower | hey | 14:02 |
| jtomasek | o/ | 14:02 |
| shardy | o/ | 14:03 |
| marios | thanks for reminder dprince am also on a bluejeans call so forgot | 14:03 |
| tzumainn | hiya | 14:03 |
| dprince | marios: np | 14:03 |
| akrivoka | hey | 14:03 |
| akrivoka | \o | 14:03 |
| dprince | #topic agenda | 14:03 |
| dprince | * bugs | 14:03 |
| dprince | * Projects releases or stable backports | 14:03 |
| dprince | * CI | 14:03 |
| dprince | * Specs | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:03 | |
| dprince | * one off agenda items | 14:03 |
| dprince | * open discussion | 14:03 |
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| dprince | There are no 'one off agenda' items this week... | 14:03 |
| dprince | anything else to add to the agenda? | 14:04 |
| derekh | dprince: I got 2 topics to discuss | 14:04 |
| trown | I have some stuff for open discussion if there ends up being time | 14:04 |
| derekh | dprince: 1. critical alerts for bugs effecting tripleo | 14:04 |
| derekh | dprince: 2. using launchpad for wish list bugs | 14:04 |
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| dprince | derekh: ack, we'll add those in.. | 14:05 |
| derekh | ty | 14:05 |
| dprince | trown: hopefully there is time for you topic too :) | 14:05 |
| dprince | lets go then | 14:05 |
| dprince | #topic bugs | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:05 | |
| dprince | derekh: would you like to just discuss your bugs stuff here? or later? | 14:06 |
| derekh | this seems to have started today, https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1538127 | 14:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1538127 in tripleo "overcloud deploys timing out" [Critical,Triaged] | 14:06 |
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| derekh | dprince: either is fine by me | 14:06 |
| derekh | on bug #1538127 I'm waiting from some logs to find the problem, will investigate after this call | 14:07 |
| trown | fwiw we do not see this issue in RDOCI, I think we really need to work on getting you guys moved to a newer delorean pin | 14:07 |
| trown | so that the tests in RDO are at least similar to the tests in tripleo | 14:07 |
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| dprince | derekh: okay, so no data yet on the timeout. we'll have to follow up on this in #tripleo as it blocks our CI | 14:07 |
| trown | right now in tripleo we are really testing the ability to deploy liberty | 14:08 |
| trown | with mitaka tripleo | 14:08 |
| derekh | trown: yup, thanks a lot of the problems you been sorting out, we're closer now to moveing to a new repository https://review.openstack.org/#/c/229789/ | 14:08 |
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| dprince | derekh: nice, you got one pass there :) | 14:08 |
| trown | :) | 14:08 |
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| derekh | dprince: the ha test only failed the ping test, if this was last week we'd have switched already ;-) | 14:09 |
| trown | which is one more pass than the other jobs are getting right now | 14:09 |
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| derekh | trown: yup | 14:09 |
| derekh | ok, may aswell talk about it here | 14:10 |
| derekh | critical alerts for bugs effecting ci | 14:10 |
| dprince | derekh: yep, go for it | 14:10 |
| derekh | Some time ago, I created (refreshed) a tripleo trello board, https://trello.com/tripleo | 14:10 |
| derekh | For a while I've been using it to track almost everything I've been doing for upstream tripleo | 14:10 |
| derekh | but nobody else did much, so I think I may aswell drop it | 14:10 |
| derekh | the one thing I think has been good and worked is the alerts I generate from it when ci is broken | 14:10 |
| derekh | I'm thinking maybe we keep that and maybe drive it from tripleo launchpad bugs that have the ci tag and are critical | 14:10 |
| derekh | what do people think? | 14:10 |
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| trown | +1 to the alerts | 14:11 |
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| shardy | derekh: +1 personally I think launchpad is sufficient, although maintaining the alerts would be good | 14:11 |
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| dprince | derekh: +1 | 14:12 |
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| derekh | so instead of opening a trello card (cause that hasn't been working I think), we insteand open a critical bug, with a psecial tag (maybe blocker or ci), then drive alerts from that | 14:12 |
| derekh | dprince: shardy trown ok, I'll make the switch when I get a chance over the next day or 2 | 14:12 |
| derekh | dprince: done with that topic, unless there are objections/ better ideas/// | 14:12 |
| dprince | derekh: maybe just send an email out with information on the 'tag' we want to use for these things | 14:12 |
| derekh | dprince: will do | 14:13 |
| dprince | derekh: or update the CI wiki page too? | 14:13 |
| derekh | dprince: CI wiki page? | 14:13 |
| dprince | derekh: yeah, I think there is one | 14:13 |
| trown | lol I thought the same | 14:13 |
| trown | I have not seen this wiki | 14:13 |
| dprince | derekh: I'm not finding it. Ignore me | 14:14 |
| dprince | derekh: okay, wishlists? | 14:14 |
| derekh | dprince: np, will have a look for it just incase | 14:14 |
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| derekh | wishlists, this came out of a discussion with some downstream tripleo consumers (QE), they would like to test new features as they get added to tripleo (or as soon as possible new features are added). | 14:14 |
| derekh | I propose we would use launchoad wish list bugs for new features, to allow them to be tracked | 14:15 |
| derekh | as with any other bug it would get automatically closed once the last patch is merged to add the feature. | 14:15 |
| derekh | thoughts? | 14:15 |
| dprince | small new features can be wishlists, sure | 14:15 |
| shardy | derekh: In Heat, we've adopted the "spec-lite" approach outlined by glance: | 14:16 |
| shardy | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/glance/contributing/blueprints.html#glance-spec-lite | 14:16 |
| dprince | but larger major features (with specs) are blueprints right | 14:16 |
| derekh | specs tell us we agree that something should be done but don't give us tracking to allow somebody know something has been finished | 14:16 |
| shardy | basically it is tracking small features via launchpad, with a tag of spec-lite | 14:16 |
| shardy | so I'm +1 on doing the same | 14:16 |
| derekh | dprince: blueprints would work too, I just said wishlist bugs as they are more lightweight I've never seen any tripleo blueprints | 14:17 |
| trown | are we using blueprints at all? | 14:17 |
| dprince | spec light sounds fine to me, may require some occasional grooming to make the call on spec-light vs. blueprints | 14:17 |
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| dprince | trown: I do sometimes, yes. But not heavily | 14:17 |
| * dprince did for the swift artifact URL's stuff | 14:18 | |
| shardy | dprince: Yeah, that's part of the triage process, you set it invalid if you feel it must have a full spec | 14:18 |
| trown | so maybe the proposal should be all RFEs tracked with blueprint or spec-light | 14:18 |
| trown | I think the important part is having all features tracked | 14:18 |
| shardy | trown: +1 that will make it *much* easier to define what we've delivered each release | 14:18 |
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| shardy | we may also want to consider adopting the automated release notes tools too, e.g reno | 14:19 |
| shardy | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/reno/ | 14:19 |
| trown | ya, Ironic has been using that | 14:19 |
| dprince | derekh: okay, positive feedback on both your ideas so proceed I think | 14:19 |
| derekh | Either is fine with me, just learning about the spec lite process now, looks nice and light weight, then can be a full spec if needed | 14:20 |
| shardy | Now we have stable branches, we'll want to be able to anounce all the new features and have accurate release notes | 14:20 |
| derekh | dprince: cool, I'll summarize both to the list | 14:20 |
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| dprince | shardy: cool, I haven't spent time on looking at reno. Will try to have a closer look | 14:21 |
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| dprince | #topic CI | 14:21 |
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| dprince | other than our CI being broken ATM is there anything else here? | 14:22 |
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| derekh | I've been trying to look into some of our intermittent errors as time allows (I hadn't done this in a while), we need to get our success rate up a bit | 14:23 |
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| derekh | besides the current blocker, we now have what seems to be a lot of intermittent error | 14:23 |
| dprince | derekh: okay, thanks for the update | 14:24 |
| shardy | dprince: one thing I'm proposing to move tripleo.sh back to tripleo-ci : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/272210/ | 14:24 |
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| trown | for the HA job, we probably need a beefier undercloud | 14:24 |
| shardy | Need to get that passing, but just so folks are aware | 14:24 |
| derekh | shardy: +1 | 14:24 |
| shardy | dprince: reason is it handles both branches, and we're wasting effort backporting everything in tripleo-common | 14:24 |
| trown | I had all kinds of intermittent failures in RDOCI on the HA job before bumping the undercloud stats | 14:24 |
| dprince | shardy: cool, thanks for pointing it out | 14:24 |
| trown | I think the stack for the HA deploy is pretty resource intensive to create | 14:25 |
| shardy | trown: Yeah, running without swap and not much RAM is bound to cause spurious failures | 14:25 |
| shardy | we do have some swap now tho | 14:25 |
| shardy | would be good to see if it is being used, as obviously it'll hurt performance if it is | 14:26 |
| trown | for reference I use 12G RAM 4CPU undercloud in RDO | 14:26 |
| dprince | shardy: true, but at some point we'll move on. Perhaps that just means we could branch tripleo-ci for the stable jobs though | 14:26 |
| shardy | trown: how do your CI runtimes compare? | 14:26 |
| shardy | dprince: I'd prefer if we made tripleo.sh handle all branches | 14:27 |
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| trown | shardy: I am doing something a bit different so it is apples to oranges, that is one of my topics for open discussion though | 14:27 |
| * derekh would love to just get to OVB already, then we can try all these things at a whim | 14:27 | |
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| bnemec | derekh: What is blocking us right now? | 14:27 |
| shardy | dprince: well, it already does, I mean keep it that way | 14:27 |
| shardy | but we can debat that if/when the time comes ;) | 14:27 |
| shardy | debate | 14:27 |
| dprince | shardy: sure, sounds like a fine plan for now | 14:28 |
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| trown | +1 to moving tripleo.sh to tripleo-ci repo | 14:28 |
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| * bnemec doesn't want to de-bat. They eat mosquitoes ;-) | 14:28 | |
| trown | makes it clear it is a dev CI tool | 14:28 |
| slagle | trown: +1 | 14:28 |
| derekh | bnemec: I really want to test it on 10+ compute nodes so that 1. I can test a reproducable deployment and 2. make sure its ok when things scall up to 100+ simultanious jobs | 14:28 |
| slagle | i'm already seeing things i don't like with people using it as a non-dev tool :) | 14:28 |
| derekh | bnemec: I don't want to risk taking down what we have only to find out we can't get it to work | 14:29 |
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| bnemec | slagle: That's because it's where we put all of the hacks to work around things we aren't fixing in other projects. :-/ | 14:29 |
| bnemec | derekh: Understood. Maybe we need to see if we can schedule some time in the scale lab? | 14:29 |
| gfidente | bnemec, right and because of that the official docs frequently doesn't work | 14:30 |
| derekh | bnemec: yup, we tied at one stage, but could only gewt it one day a week, maybe we can push a bit harder | 14:30 |
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| bnemec | gfidente: Yeah, I've pretty much given up on the official docs. | 14:30 |
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| gfidente | bnemec, indeed, but that is what people will look at | 14:30 |
| trown | gfidente: bnemec, I have an idea here that is the other topic I wanted to discuss in open discussion... hold tight :) | 14:31 |
| gfidente | so I am thinking we should also avoid having hacks in tripleo.sh and deploy using tripleo.sh | 14:31 |
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| shardy | we used to run Heat tests direct from docs using scripts in the markup | 14:31 |
| shardy | it would be possible to do the same I guess | 14:31 |
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| bnemec | derekh: Yeah, we need to do something. Has downstream not made any progress with it? I know they were setting up an environment too. | 14:31 |
| derekh | bnemec: last I heard they were waiting on HW to be rack, I'll see if I can get an update | 14:32 |
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| bnemec | Bleh, hardware. | 14:32 |
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| dprince | okay, we skipped a topic so lets get it now | 14:34 |
| dprince | #topic Projects releases or stable backports | 14:34 |
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| dprince | Have the backports finally slowed? | 14:35 |
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| shardy | dprince: there's still a large backlog because of the CI problems | 14:35 |
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| dprince | shardy: okay, but if we just moved over the tripleo.sh it would eliminate that issue? | 14:35 |
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| slagle | dprince: the backports will be quite hot and heavy once ipv6 starts landing on master | 14:35 |
| marios | dprince: yeah more or less what we needed to do the initial rebase for downstream tht, though as shardy says the 'few remaining' have grown into list because ci | 14:35 |
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| shardy | dprince: No, that doesn't really fix anything other than making landing fixes a bit easier/quicker | 14:36 |
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| slagle | since ipv6, as well as any other ssl improvements, must be backported to liberty | 14:36 |
| dprince | shardy: I see, so the backports are fixes to CI | 14:36 |
| shardy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/272194/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/272191/ are the main ones I'm aware of | 14:37 |
| shardy | dprince: Yeah, we need to fix CI then there's a ton of stuff to recheck and review | 14:37 |
| dprince | slagle: okay, thanks for the update | 14:38 |
| shardy | same story for master I suppose, our review/merge rate is depressing there also | 14:38 |
| shardy | hopefully we can work on improving that via getting CI more stable | 14:38 |
| trown | side note here for cores, can we make sure that any thing that we +W has recent as in from the last day or so CI results? | 14:38 |
| dprince | Yeah, I'm gonna say TripleO is struggling at best ATM... many reviews are blocked needing manual upgrade testing | 14:39 |
| dprince | and features are blocked still because of the pain of backporting to stable liberty? | 14:39 |
| trown | we do not run the functional tests in the gate pipeline, so things can definitely slip through with outdated CI results | 14:39 |
| dprince | we seem to have upstream development backwards... | 14:39 |
| shardy | dprince: I think backporting to stable is working fine, but CI reliablity is preventing us landing things in a reasonably timely fashion | 14:39 |
| dprince | shardy: the backporting mechanism is fine. The fact that we are still backporting features halfway through the release is the problem :/ | 14:40 |
| slagle | it does feel a little silly that we are basically backporting 90% of patches | 14:40 |
| dprince | shardy: until this stops it is going to really make it difficult to get in potential new features (composable roles, split stack) I think | 14:40 |
| shardy | dprince: Yeah, I'm saying if it didn't take 3 months to merge to master and 2 months to merge to stable, we'd be in better shape | 14:41 |
| slagle | the reality is that 90% of tripleo devs are working on liberty support still | 14:41 |
| bnemec | Or Kilo | 14:41 |
| slagle | bnemec: don't go there :) | 14:41 |
| bnemec | :-) | 14:41 |
| dprince | slagle: I realize this, and I'm trying to be mindful not to cause conflicts. But there is a cost... | 14:41 |
| trown | is there some proposal to change that? otherwise I think we probably just have to take that as a given | 14:41 |
| gfidente | maybe we'll have a chance to discuss this next week | 14:42 |
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| shardy | slagle: I'd be interested to discuss if there's an alternative | 14:42 |
| slagle | i'd bring up backwards compatibility again, but i'm afraid i'd get run out of the room :) | 14:42 |
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| shardy | It is tough as so many features are getting backported, but we still can't really move forward on non-backportable changes on master | 14:43 |
| shardy | as dprince was referring to | 14:43 |
| slagle | exactly | 14:43 |
| gfidente | not to mention actual bugs | 14:43 |
| shardy | "90% of tripleo devs are working on liberty support" | 14:43 |
| shardy | that is the actual problem :( | 14:43 |
| * dprince has stopped rebasing new code until it settles down | 14:43 | |
| slagle | i can't deny it | 14:43 |
| derekh | at least its happening upstream now | 14:43 |
| dprince | derekh: good point, thanks for being positive :) | 14:44 |
| dprince | okay, so we've got one agenda topic left | 14:44 |
| dprince | #topic Specs | 14:44 |
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| dprince | anything for Specs this week | 14:44 |
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| dprince | The TripleO API thread continues upstream. Probably not worth bringing up here but it seems to be the most debated topic we have ATM with regards to Specs | 14:46 |
| trown | that has been good reading :) | 14:46 |
| shardy | It is proving pretty contentious | 14:46 |
| shardy | It'd be great if we can figure out a way to step back, take away some of the emotion and solve the actual problem as a community | 14:47 |
| dprince | yes, it is | 14:48 |
| shardy | it seems a bit like we've veered into a flamey discussion over implementation, vs the requirement | 14:48 |
| dprince | FWIW the iterative feedback I've gotten from working w/ some of the UI guys on prototypes has been actually quite positive/constructive | 14:48 |
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| slagle | yes, that's valid, but then i'm concerned when i see reponses that we don't expect people to use the API on its own | 14:49 |
| slagle | if we're just solving for the UI, then that is not what i was expecting | 14:50 |
| slagle | so maybe a level set / reset on what we're doing is important | 14:50 |
| tzumainn | I kinda think seeing a spec from the Mistral point-of-view is important | 14:50 |
| shardy | slagle: FWIW, most of my arguments are based in expressly *not* wanting to deliver and support a "solving for the UI" layer | 14:50 |
| dprince | slagle: people can use either API on its own. When I initially tried it I used the API via mistralclient for example. both solutions have APIs and they can be used outside of our python-tripleoclient UI tooling | 14:50 |
| shardy | I really want it to be something more generally useful, given the overhead of maintaining it | 14:51 |
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| slagle | yes, the ability to use it either way is there | 14:51 |
| dprince | tzumainn: I'll post a spec as soon as I can | 14:52 |
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| dprince | #topic open discussion | 14:53 |
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| dprince | trown: you had a think you wanted to mention...? | 14:53 |
| dprince | thing | 14:53 |
| trown | I have a couple :) | 14:53 |
| trown | the first is that there is a testday for RDO Manager this Thurs/Fri, I know folks here are busy with lots of stuff, but anyone wanting to help out would be great | 14:54 |
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| trown | end of that topic | 14:54 |
| trown | the other thing is more interesting | 14:55 |
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| trown | I started playing with generating docs from CI: https://review.gerrithub.io/#/c/261218/ | 14:55 |
| trown | that is a POC that really just templates out one bit of RDOCI, but what I wanted to present here was more the idea | 14:56 |
| trown | of being able to have the same thing that runs in CI templated out to docs as simply as running `tox -e docs` | 14:56 |
| derekh | trown: would we end up with tripleo.sh in the docs ? | 14:57 |
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| dprince | trown: the end goal being to view docs during the code review process? | 14:57 |
| trown | dprince: the end goal being no CI drift from docs | 14:57 |
| dprince | trown: I see, similar to how our devtest was self documenting... | 14:58 |
| trown | derekh: I think we would need to template tripleo.sh similarly to what I do for RDOCI in that review | 14:58 |
| derekh | trown: ack | 14:58 |
| dprince | trown: cool, I like where you are going | 14:58 |
| shardy | Interesting, similar to what we did for heat, only we generated a script by processing an rst file with the docs in | 14:58 |
| trown | derekh: so tripleo.sh.j2 becomes a jinja template that can generate tripleo.sh for CI, as well as docs from the same template | 14:58 |
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| dprince | great, almost out of time this week. Thanks everyone | 14:59 |
| trown | it is a pretty immature idea at this point, I just started hacking on it late last night, but wanted to see if there was interest | 14:59 |
| dprince | trown: sounds cool to me | 15:00 |
| dprince | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 26 15:00:30 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2016/tripleo.2016-01-26-14.02.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2016/tripleo.2016-01-26-14.02.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2016/tripleo.2016-01-26-14.02.log.html | 15:00 |
| trown | thanks for chairing dprince | 15:00 |
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| matrohon | hi | 15:02 |
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| matrohon | enikher, tmorin hi | 15:04 |
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| tmorin | hi everyone | 15:04 |
| enikher | hey | 15:04 |
| tmorin | #startmeeting bgpvpn | 15:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 26 15:04:59 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tmorin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:05 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'bgpvpn' | 15:05 |
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| tmorin | hi doude | 15:05 |
| Sam-I-Am | hello. | 15:05 |
| tmorin | hi pcarver | 15:05 |
| tmorin | hi Sam-I-Am | 15:05 |
| tmorin | hi timirnich | 15:05 |
| Sam-I-Am | i haven't seen y'all in a while | 15:05 |
| pcarver | hi | 15:05 |
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| tmorin | Sam-I-Am: good to see you | 15:05 |
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| timirnich | hi tmorin, hi all | 15:06 |
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| doude | hi | 15:06 |
| tmorin | let's start | 15:06 |
| tmorin | is there anything particular to announce ? | 15:07 |
| tmorin | (I don't think so, but maybe someone else ?) | 15:07 |
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| tmorin | #topic stable/liberty | 15:08 |
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| tmorin | there is one change under review by vishal for stable/liberty | 15:08 |
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| tmorin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/271933/ | 15:08 |
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| tmorin | the issue that we will have to address is that this is not the typical bugfix change | 15:09 |
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| tmorin | however stable/* branches should only receive bugfix patches | 15:09 |
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| tmorin | we haven't identified yet the proper way of working on new features for a release for which we already have a stable branch | 15:10 |
| matrohon | let's ask ihrachys if he agrees on the patch | 15:10 |
| matrohon | ihrachys, hi | 15:10 |
| ihrachys | hi. what's up | 15:10 |
| tmorin | the topic is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/271933/ | 15:10 |
| matrohon | ihrachys, we have a patch under review for 271933 | 15:10 |
| tmorin | it's a change on the stable/liberty branch of net-bgpvpn | 15:11 |
| matrohon | we wonder if the stable team agree to merge it | 15:11 |
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| tmorin | this is not the typical bugfix patch on a stable branch | 15:11 |
| ihrachys | ok. we'll get to it, there is usually some delay before maintainers catch up with new uploads | 15:11 |
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| tmorin | but net-bgpvpn is *not* tagged as has-stable-branches | 15:11 |
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| tmorin | ihrachys: np, we're not in need of a very quick answer | 15:12 |
| ihrachys | hm. should it? | 15:12 |
| ihrachys | ok, then let's wait a bit, if no rush | 15:12 |
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| tmorin | we're wondering about the kind of work we would be allowed to do in a branch called stable/x | 15:13 |
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| timirnich | enikher: are you listeing in? | 15:14 |
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| tmorin | ihrachys: I don't think that "has-stable-branches: no" is the issue (that fits well with the relative yougness of the project) | 15:14 |
| enikher | yes | 15:14 |
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| tmorin | ihrachys: the question is more a matter of doing the right thing wrt community practices | 15:14 |
| ihrachys | tmorin: I guess there are infra issues that probably justify you using the branches without the tag | 15:14 |
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| ihrachys | I don't see anything wrong with the patch, I will get back to it later | 15:15 |
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| tmorin | ihrachys: yes, that was needed to do a release, I think | 15:15 |
| tmorin | ihrachys: yes, technically even though it is not the typical bugfix, the change introduces no risk of regression | 15:16 |
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| tmorin | think about it, and feel free to tell us what you/stable-maintainers think | 15:17 |
| tmorin | thanks! | 15:17 |
| ihrachys | ok | 15:17 |
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| tmorin | next topic ? | 15:17 |
| enikher | I have a question... | 15:18 |
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| tmorin | go ahead :) | 15:18 |
| enikher | the would not be a topic as such :-) | 15:18 |
| enikher | ok, for bagpipe we are reusing normal neutron ovs | 15:19 |
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| enikher | can you explain why there is an extra hop in the bagpipe architecture | 15:19 |
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| tmorin | you mean extra hop in terms of OVS bridges ? | 15:20 |
| enikher | may be no one else is intressted then we don't have to talk in this meeting about that | 15:20 |
| enikher | I think so | 15:20 |
| tmorin | br-tun connected to br-mpls via a patch port ? | 15:20 |
| enikher | I got to know that this is some kind of draw back fro bagpipe impl | 15:20 |
| tmorin | ok to talk about that later in the meeting and address non-driver-specific question first ? | 15:20 |
| enikher | is that consuming cpu load | 15:21 |
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| enikher | sure! | 15:22 |
| tmorin | enikher: sounds like a dubious claim, but we can look at it later today | 15:22 |
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| tmorin | #topic static routes | 15:22 |
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| tmorin | just a very quick update on the topic | 15:22 |
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| tmorin | me and Jan Scheurich we've been working to consolidate the question around the different use cases for static routes | 15:22 |
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| tmorin | we may have to revisit the initial proposal (static routes as an attribute of a Port association) | 15:23 |
| tmorin | but we need to work more before we're sure of what will make sense | 15:23 |
| tmorin | any question on this ? | 15:23 |
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| tmorin | ok.. next topic... | 15:24 |
| tmorin | #topic API features | 15:24 |
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| tmorin | This topic is a bit a call for volunteers | 15:24 |
| tmorin | there are a bunch of things that have been specified as part of the initial work on the API | 15:24 |
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| tmorin | but that still lack an implementation | 15:25 |
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| tmorin | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/networking-bgpvpn/future/attributes.html | 15:25 |
| tmorin | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/networking-bgpvpn/future/attributes.html | 15:25 |
| tmorin | some of these should be quite straightforward to implement (e.g. admin_state_up) | 15:26 |
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| tmorin | 'technique' is fairly easy to implement, but just will require possibly a bit more discussion | 15:27 |
| tmorin | 'vnid' will possibly be covered by folks working on BGP dyn routing (would need to be confirmed with Sid) | 15:27 |
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| tmorin | overall, I just wanted to state that for this kind of addition to land, we need people to stand up and work on them | 15:28 |
| tmorin | if they are less needed, they may remain unimplemented | 15:28 |
| tmorin | thoughts anyone ? | 15:28 |
| matrohon | the most difficult part is to have an identical behavior of this technique attribute from one driver to another, no? | 15:29 |
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| tmorin | indeed, that would need to be done right | 15:30 |
| tmorin | the list of possible technique would have to be constrained | 15:30 |
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| tmorin | I think we should have constants defined in the service plugin | 15:30 |
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| tmorin | then a driver would advertise the one it supports | 15:31 |
| timirnich | tmorin let me look into the issues a bit more but generally we are planning to put some energy into BGPVPN | 15:31 |
| tmorin | I makes me think it will become obvious at some point that we need a pre_commit hook in the drivers | 15:31 |
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| matrohon | timirnich, great news :) | 15:31 |
| tmorin | timirnich: good :) | 15:32 |
| tmorin | timirnich: I guess the next question is on what exactly to put the energy on | 15:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | docs :) | 15:32 |
| timirnich | yes that is indeed the question - no clear visibility now | 15:33 |
| matrohon | Sam-I-Am, That remind me that I have an AP that I missed :) | 15:33 |
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| Sam-I-Am | matrohon: ap? | 15:34 |
| tmorin | timirnich: no rush, but I think we'll need to build a common vision of what we'll try to achieve for mitaka timeframe | 15:34 |
| matrohon | Sam-I-Am, Action point | 15:34 |
| tmorin | doc as the next topic ? | 15:34 |
| Sam-I-Am | ah ok | 15:34 |
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| Sam-I-Am | you know thats what i'm here to bug you about :) | 15:34 |
| tmorin | #topic documentation | 15:34 |
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| tmorin | the short term thing that lacks more is the quick installation information | 15:35 |
| matrohon | Sam-I-Am, :) I was expecting you to come back one day :) | 15:35 |
| tmorin | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/networking-bgpvpn/installation.html | 15:35 |
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| Sam-I-Am | matrohon: yeah meeting has been at a bad time for a bit | 15:35 |
| tmorin | to many occurences of "To Be Completed" there | 15:35 |
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| Sam-I-Am | tmorin: yeah :/ | 15:36 |
| Sam-I-Am | so here's question - do distros intend to package this? | 15:36 |
| Sam-I-Am | or will it always be just source | 15:36 |
| matrohon | Sam-I-Am, there is also a pypi package :) | 15:37 |
| tmorin | Sam-I-Am: we expect some distro to ship this at some point | 15:37 |
| tmorin | although we don't have visibility on the exact roadmap | 15:37 |
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| Sam-I-Am | ok. reason i ask it usually combining a pip install w/ distro packages makes a mess of the host... in which case the preference should always be venv | 15:37 |
| Sam-I-Am | some people dont know that and they break a lot of things | 15:37 |
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| Sam-I-Am | venvs are a lot cleaner if they'll work | 15:38 |
| tmorin | I guess we can document as "do pip install unless your distro packages networking-bgpvpn" | 15:38 |
| Sam-I-Am | something like that | 15:38 |
| matrohon | Sam-I-Am, I agree with Sam-I-Am : we should say do pip install in your neutron venv | 15:39 |
| Sam-I-Am | matrohon: that was the next question - does it require neutron stuff in the same venv | 15:39 |
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| matrohon | Sam-I-Am, it's a service plugin, like vpnaas or lbaas, they are usually installed in the same venv as neutron-server, no? | 15:40 |
| tmorin | Sam-I-Am: the neutron server should be able to instantiation the service plugin | 15:41 |
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| Sam-I-Am | not sure. but i know that people using distro packages wont have a neutron venv, so we'd have to consider that case | 15:41 |
| tmorin | Sam-I-Am: has to be in the same venv I think | 15:41 |
| tmorin | Sam-I-Am: do the openstack docs usually get into these kind of considerations ? | 15:41 |
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| Sam-I-Am | tmorin: depends on the doc | 15:42 |
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| Sam-I-Am | for first time users who want to experiment, we at least need some notes to point them in the right direction | 15:42 |
| tmorin | Sam-I-Am: I would expect the doc to say "use pip install or follow whatever practices you have for python and openstack" | 15:42 |
| Sam-I-Am | it depends on where you want to set the barrier to entry | 15:42 |
| tmorin | Sam-I-Am: that could be achieved with a tutorial using one specific Openstack distro as an example | 15:43 |
| Sam-I-Am | the easier you make the grunt work, the more people will try your project | 15:43 |
| tmorin | Sam-I-Am: very true | 15:43 |
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| Sam-I-Am | a lot of people trying to deploy openstack are not python developers | 15:43 |
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| Sam-I-Am | my suggestion would be the following... | 15:44 |
| Sam-I-Am | in the networking guide, you can assume people have installed the right stuff. for example, maybe you can build off one of the existing scenarios. "do this stuff, make sure it works, then configure bgpvpn" | 15:44 |
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| Sam-I-Am | bgpvpn is a bit interesting because it requires infrastructure to work, but the least you can do is provide people with the most common options they'd configure in various places | 15:45 |
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| Sam-I-Am | and some examples of what the output would look like from various commands to show it works | 15:45 |
| Sam-I-Am | so if you have a working environment, that would be a good thing to model in the networking guide | 15:45 |
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| tmorin | Sam-I-Am: the issue, I have, to be fully honest, is that (this is actually true for most backends), some amount of tweaking will be required based on a basic installation to have eveyrthing in place | 15:47 |
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| tmorin | Sam-I-Am: for instance, for the bagpipe driver, whether you'll need a git or very recent OVS to be able to do MPLS-in-tunnels, or you'll have to tweak the interface/bridge/OVS config to do the right thing | 15:48 |
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| Sam-I-Am | hmmm | 15:49 |
| Sam-I-Am | well, for openvswitch you can specify a minimum version | 15:50 |
| tmorin | it's hard for me to picture a python/linux/openstack newbie easily doing all that based on a generic documentation | 15:50 |
| tmorin | yes, that can be documented | 15:50 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i think this caters more toward operators with linux and network experience, but not necessarily developers | 15:50 |
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| tmorin | but someone confortable with compiling/installing a recent or git version of OVS, is likely to have basic understanding of what needs to be done to have python packages properly installed | 15:51 |
| tmorin | Sam-I-Am: correct | 15:51 |
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| Sam-I-Am | yeah, hence why you can get by with 'you'll need this version of ovs and need to install bgpvpn. here's a couple of hints on how to do the latter..." | 15:52 |
| tmorin | my point is just that getting into venv/pypi/distro packages questions looks to me as too much detailed compared to the amount of system skills that are still required to do the rest | 15:52 |
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| tmorin | yes, that would work | 15:52 |
| tmorin | but I don't think we need to talk about venv or about competing pypi/distro packages | 15:52 |
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| Sam-I-Am | it all depends on your target audience | 15:54 |
| Sam-I-Am | if you write docs in the docs repo and people file a lot of bugs about stuff you thought was easy, then you might need to re-think it | 15:55 |
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| tmorin | Sam-I-Am: yes, I don't know what the typical audience expects | 15:55 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i'm going to guess these are network-centric operators who want to make openstack work with their bgpvpn infrastructure | 15:56 |
| Sam-I-Am | so they're more likely to know the bgp bits than the openstack bits | 15:57 |
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| tmorin | Sam-I-Am: true | 15:58 |
| tmorin | but the starting point for these people, I think, is more likely to be openstack distro vendors, than openstack.org docs | 15:58 |
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| Sam-I-Am | so the key here is 'how do i make what i'm used to looking at work with openstack' | 15:58 |
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| Sam-I-Am | so things in neutron config files, openvswitch configs, etc. | 15:58 |
| tmorin | or people working for these operators and already having linux/system/python skills | 15:58 |
| Sam-I-Am | diagrams go a long way | 15:59 |
| Sam-I-Am | giving people a picture of how it all fits is important | 15:59 |
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| tmorin | yes, this is the really important part | 15:59 |
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| tmorin | hey I didn't look at the watch | 15:59 |
| Sam-I-Am | so maybe think about some visuals to make it easier | 15:59 |
| Sam-I-Am | and yeah, its an hour already | 15:59 |
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| tmorin | yes | 16:00 |
| tmorin | let's pursue the discussion later/next time | 16:00 |
| Sam-I-Am | yep, thanks for the chat | 16:00 |
| tmorin | everyone, anything to add? | 16:00 |
| Sam-I-Am | you can always find me in -neutron or -doc | 16:00 |
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| tmorin | (no *has* to be the answer) | 16:00 |
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| tmorin | thanks Sam-I-Am | 16:00 |
| tmorin | bye everyone! | 16:01 |
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| tmorin | #endmeeting | 16:01 |
| enikher | bye | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 26 16:01:07 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2016/bgpvpn.2016-01-26-15.04.html | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2016/bgpvpn.2016-01-26-15.04.txt | 16:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2016/bgpvpn.2016-01-26-15.04.log.html | 16:01 |
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| adrian_otto | #startmeeting containers | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 26 16:01:58 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: containers)" | 16:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'containers' | 16:02 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda_for_2016-01-26_1600_UTC Our Agenda | 16:02 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Roll Call | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: containers)" | 16:02 | |
| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 16:02 |
| muralia1 | murali allada | 16:02 |
| hongbin | o/ | 16:02 |
| rods | o/ | 16:02 |
| rpothier | o/ | 16:02 |
| Tango | Ton Ngo | 16:02 |
| wanghua | o/ | 16:02 |
| dane_leblanc | o/ | 16:02 |
| HimanshuGarg | o/ | 16:02 |
| madhuri | o/ | 16:02 |
| houming | o/ | 16:02 |
| suro-patz | o/ | 16:02 |
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| juggler | o/ | 16:02 |
| eghobo | o/ | 16:02 |
| adrian_otto | hello muralia1 hongbin rods rpothier Tango wanghua dane_leblanc HimanshuGarg madhuri houming suro-patz juggler and eghobo | 16:03 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Announcements | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: containers)" | 16:03 | |
| adrian_otto | 1) Midcycle | 16:03 |
| adrian_otto | Our midcycle will be Feb 18+19 in the SF Bay area (Sunnyvale planned) | 16:04 |
| adrian_otto | the exact address is pending confirmation | 16:04 |
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| adrian_otto | 2) On Feb18 there will be an OpenStack Meetup in Sunnyvale, and I will be presenting Magnum. It would be great for those of you attending the midcycle to join us. It begins at 7:00 PM. | 16:05 |
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| adrian_otto | Any announcements from team members? | 16:05 |
| muralia1 | do you have a link to the meetup adrian, so we can rsvp | 16:05 |
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| adrian_otto | #link http://www.meetup.com/openstack/events/224950334/ OpenStack Meetup - Magnum | 16:06 |
| adrian_otto | the group has expressed considerable excitement about this topic, so it should be fun. | 16:07 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, let's proceed through our agenda | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Review Action Items | 16:08 |
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| adrian_otto | (none) | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | Magnum UI Subteam Update (bradjones) | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | bradjones: yt? | 16:08 |
| wanghua | I have one | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | wanghua: proceed | 16:08 |
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| wanghua | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/268852/ | 16:08 |
| wanghua | spec for trust | 16:08 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, that fits in this topic, so let's advance to it: | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Essential Blueprint Updates | 16:09 |
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| adrian_otto | wanghua: do you have a question for us to discuss in the context of our meeting today? | 16:09 |
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| wanghua | I want to get the feed back from us all, and get the spec merged soon | 16:10 |
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| wanghua | Some features need this | 16:11 |
| wanghua | And they are blocked by this feature | 16:11 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so you are asking for further discussion on the review | 16:11 |
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| wanghua | yes | 16:11 |
| Tango | wanghua: I think the spec has been improving steadily, looks pretty close to what we need. | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | ok, and is there any apparent obstacle that we can knock down right now? | 16:12 |
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| Tango | Should we make it a goal to finalize and merge this week? | 16:13 |
| hongbin | Tango: +1 | 16:13 |
| wanghua | I think the spec is ok now. If there is no objection, we can merge it this week | 16:13 |
| hongbin | Several essential BPs/bugs need this feature, so it is a high priority | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | #action adrian_otto to champion consensus and merge of https://review.openstack.org/268852 | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | let's look at the next | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-tempest (dimtruck) | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | Dimitry is not present today. Are there other team members who can comment on this? | 16:15 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, let's advance | 16:16 |
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| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-troubleshooting-guide (Tango) | 16:16 |
| adrian_otto | and related: | 16:16 |
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| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/user-guide (Tango) | 16:16 |
| Tango | We have 2 sections merged for the troubleshooting guide, thanks everyone for the reviews | 16:17 |
| Tango | 1 section under review | 16:17 |
| adrian_otto | whoot! | 16:17 |
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| Tango | and 2 sections under review for the guide | 16:17 |
| Tango | Please jump in and write, the team will help with the review and add anything missing | 16:17 |
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| Tango | The section on TLS and Mesos just need some refactoring from the existing docs | 16:18 |
| adrian_otto | ok | 16:18 |
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| adrian_otto | Tango: any more remarks before looking at the next BP? | 16:19 |
| Tango | That's all for now | 16:19 |
| adrian_otto | great | 16:19 |
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| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/resource-quota (vilobhmm11) | 16:19 |
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| vilobhmm11 | adrian_otto : spec is under review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/266662/7 | 16:20 |
| adrian_otto | ok, I am updating the BP status to Needs Code Review | 16:20 |
| vilobhmm11 | got good feedback but few discussion that were captured as part of http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-December/082266.html are raised again n again | 16:21 |
| vilobhmm11 | as in why we are not using quota infrastructure provided by different components of IaaS layer like Nova | 16:21 |
| vilobhmm11 | which I guess has already been discussed and we came to a conclusion to impose quota/rate limiting for containers only in mitaka | 16:22 |
| adrian_otto | for bays and baymodels | 16:22 |
| Tango | vilobhmm11: Hopefully a clear explanation in the spec will serve as reference and lay the question to rest | 16:22 |
| adrian_otto | Tango: yes, indeed | 16:23 |
| vilobhmm11 | adrain_otto : bays are composed of nodes which involve resources from IaaS | 16:23 |
| vilobhmm11 | IMHO | 16:23 |
| eghobo | vilobhmm11: also keep in mind if you are targeting just containers, you need to parse kub requests | 16:24 |
| vilobhmm11 | Tango : I think its mentioned pretty clearly in the spec just that reviewers who were initially not involved in discussion here or dont want to go through http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-December/082266.html in detail would want to raise such questions | 16:24 |
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| adrian_otto | perhaps condensing that into a summary may help | 16:24 |
| vilobhmm11 | adrian_otto : sure | 16:24 |
| coreyob | as a part of that summary, can you make sure to address the use case for containers | 16:25 |
| coreyob | I think that is the biggest part that I'm missing for quotas | 16:25 |
| coreyob | why an operator would want to limit the number of containers | 16:25 |
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| coreyob | especially since it isn't a real limit, since the user can avoid it by using the native api | 16:26 |
| adrian_otto | it might be wise for us to produce a disposition on native API use vs. the containers resource in Magnum bays. | 16:26 |
| adrian_otto | perhaps on the wiki so it can be referenced | 16:26 |
| adrian_otto | I'm willing to draft that | 16:26 |
| vilobhmm11 | coreyob : wanted to limit the rate of creation | 16:27 |
| vilobhmm11 | and hence imposing quota on them | 16:27 |
| adrian_otto | #action adrian_otto to produce a wiki page that explains Magnum's ability to support native API access and wrapped (limited) access to that funcitonality through our contiainers resource, and pointers to points of debate. | 16:27 |
| coreyob | vilobhmm11 why limit containers? they're just processes? why would an operator want to limit the number of processes that a user runs? | 16:28 |
| eghobo | vilobhmm11: what is your target COE? at least for first version? | 16:28 |
| adrian_otto | there may also be room for other tools, such as a transparent proxy for various native API tools that implements rate controls | 16:28 |
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| vilobhmm11 | coreyob : what other resources you have in mind that should be limited or imposed quota on? | 16:29 |
| adrian_otto | coreyob: it depends on the providers billing model | 16:29 |
| vilobhmm11 | eghobo : swarm | 16:29 |
| vilobhmm11 | thats mentioned clearly in the spec | 16:29 |
| coreyob | vilobhmm11 imo, the only things that operators would want to limit are "real" resources. things based in hardware limitations | 16:29 |
| adrian_otto | if they have decided to make a container entity billable, then having a limit (basically a credit line) starts to make sense | 16:29 |
| vilobhmm11 | +1 | 16:30 |
| coreyob | adrian_otto is that an actual use case or an imagined one? is there someone in the community that actually wants to bill based on the number of processes a user is running? | 16:30 |
| adrian_otto | coreyob: that POV is logical if you assume that the provider will only bill based on the IaaS resources that compose the bay. | 16:30 |
| hongbin | Another reason is to ensure the stability of COE (by limit the number of processes running on it) | 16:30 |
| coreyob | hongbin it doesn't change that because a single container can also run 1000 processes or you can have 1000 containers running 1 process | 16:31 |
| adrian_otto | coreyob: until recently that was one of Rackspace's use cases | 16:31 |
| hongbin | It is not good to have too many processes running on a COE | 16:31 |
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| adrian_otto | coreyob: but a container could have a non-user imposed memory limit, or other cgroup characteristic that limits capacity consumption. | 16:32 |
| coreyob | adrian_otto so there isn't a real community member that actually expects to bill based on number of containers | 16:32 |
| coreyob | right and in that case we're using the nova quotas | 16:32 |
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| coreyob | because number of containers doesn't have anything to do with memory | 16:32 |
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| eghobo | coreyob: +1 | 16:33 |
| vilobhmm11 | coreyob : you don't want a malicious user to come and consume resources (as many as they want) from a bay..rate limiting will help here. | 16:33 |
| adrian_otto | the intent was to emit the rpc usage message when containers start and stop, and let providers make their own choices about what's billable. I don't ask Magnum users about their product plans. | 16:33 |
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| hongbin | coreyob: but each container will consume resources in general case | 16:33 |
| coreyob | vilobhmm11 even if you have only 1 containers limit in the quota, you can spin up 1 million processes | 16:34 |
| coreyob | hongbin yes but the resources that operators care about are memory and cpu, and those are nova concepts | 16:34 |
| adrian_otto | coreyob: no, that's actually not true | 16:34 |
| adrian_otto | there is an effective minimum size of a process that works out to about 6mb | 16:34 |
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| adrian_otto | so if there's a memory cgroup in use, that is actually an effective limit on process count | 16:35 |
| hongbin | coreyob: the COE admin would care memory and cpu on a bay | 16:35 |
| coreyob | adrian_otto you're talking about memory though. limiting containers as a method of limiting memory is just re-implementing memory quotas in a bad way | 16:35 |
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| adrian_otto | uh, that's the basic memory limit feature in the kernel. | 16:35 |
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| adrian_otto | it's a cgroup parameter for memory | 16:36 |
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| eghobo | adrian_otto: just keep in mind that all COEs support CPU/Memory limit/quota but only Kub support # pods | 16:36 |
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| coreyob | adrian_otto are you talking about the COE limiting the memory of a process? | 16:37 |
| coreyob | of a container? | 16:37 |
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| coreyob | because users set that not operators | 16:37 |
| coreyob | right? | 16:37 |
| adrian_otto | users can set it, but it's also possible to set up the containers endpoint to force a value that is not user specified | 16:38 |
| coreyob | adrian_otto how is that possible if the users are root on the nodes via the COE native API? | 16:38 |
| adrian_otto | so if you ask for 20GB, and it's set up to allow up to 2GB, you end up with the lower limit | 16:38 |
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| adrian_otto | with native api this does not apply | 16:38 |
| eghobo | adrian_otto: could you elaborate? do you mean default quota? | 16:38 |
| adrian_otto | this applies for service providers who don't want to give native api access | 16:39 |
| coreyob | adrian_otto so as long as magnum has a native api available for bays, then quotas for number of containers is pointless right? | 16:39 |
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| adrian_otto | coreyob: it would not make sense to offer both. You'd choose one approach or the other depending on your interests. | 16:40 |
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| adrian_otto | for example, Rackspace only offers native API access with Carina | 16:40 |
| adrian_otto | so we are not concerned with container quotas | 16:40 |
| coreyob | adrian_otto let's say you weren't going to offer native api as a part of magnum. is there a way to even do that? how does that work with ssh keys on the nodes since users will still have root via that? | 16:41 |
| hongbin | Providers who offer magnum API access will concern quotas. I guess | 16:41 |
| coreyob | don't get me wrong, I get quotas for bays at least since a bay corresponds toa "real" thing like an ip address | 16:42 |
| adrian_otto | hongbin: Do any of your downstream consumers have plans to use the containers resource? | 16:42 |
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| hongbin | adrian_otto: no. We are on requirement gathering phase | 16:43 |
| adrian_otto | so it might be something we could table, and revisit at a later time. | 16:43 |
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| adrian_otto | if nobody cares, then we could drop it from the wish list | 16:44 |
| vilobhmm11 | adrian_otto : atleast downstream at my workplace we have this requirement and would prefer to impose quota at the container level | 16:44 |
| coreyob | vilobhmm11 are you planning on somehow blocking the native api? | 16:45 |
| vilobhmm11 | we are talking about memory, cpu, etc resources on the bay …also we will take into consideration the resources created (# of process ) created by native api vs magnum api | 16:45 |
| adrian_otto | for historical context, the OpenStack community asked us to "make containers a first class resource in OpenStack", which is what we did. | 16:45 |
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| vilobhmm11 | coreyb : nope will take into consideration resources created via both native as well as magnum api | 16:45 |
| coreyob | vilobhmm11 are you unable to limit cpu/memory based on nova quotas? | 16:45 |
| vilobhmm11 | coreyob : nope but nova quotas are more for a compute | 16:46 |
| adrian_otto | coreyob: that's handled by flavor definition | 16:46 |
| vilobhmm11 | what we are talking about is quota imposed by COE admin | 16:46 |
| adrian_otto | so yes, you can limit the total instance memory as a quota. We do that in our cloud. | 16:46 |
| coreyob | so vilobhmm11 are you talking about limiting the memory a particular container can consume? | 16:47 |
| adrian_otto | so if you are at your limit, and you have a giant instance, you can kill off that instance and make two more that are half as big each | 16:47 |
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| vilobhmm11 | coreyob : for now, in Mitaka, just going to start with number of containers to be created | 16:48 |
| vilobhmm11 | but if need arises we can even do that if we have a valid use case | 16:48 |
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| coreyob | vilobhmm11 so your use case is actually about limiting memory and cpu per container, and not about the number of containers | 16:48 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Open Discussion | 16:49 |
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| vilobhmm11 | coreyob : the intial goal was to see how introducing quota will play out in magnum | 16:49 |
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| vilobhmm11 | so we picked up containers as out intial resource | 16:49 |
| coreyob | this is my essential problem with the spec. containers doesn't have a real use case other than "let's make quotas for things" | 16:50 |
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| vilobhmm11 | and decided to rate limit on the # of containers to be created; with the quota infrastructure that will ebdeveloped as part of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/266662/7 we can impose quota on other resources as well | 16:50 |
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| coreyob | i think we should change that spec to target bays for maybe bay-nodes first | 16:50 |
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| coreyob | *or maybe | 16:50 |
| coreyob | something that has a real use case | 16:51 |
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| suro-patz | folks https://review.openstack.org/#/c/267134/ is up for review against BPs - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/async-container-operations and https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/async-rpc-api - will appreciate your review and feedback | 16:52 |
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| Tango | suro-patz: Which commands now work asynch? | 16:53 |
| vilobhmm11 | adrian_otto, hongbin : ^^ thoughts ? I think still continuing with containers use case makes sense…if we want to cover any other resource we should decide now | 16:53 |
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| suro-patz | with this creation of 10 containers in succession on a swarm COE on a devstack (4vcpu, 24G RAM, 60G HDD) takes 15s compare ~150s in sync mode | 16:53 |
| adrian_otto | vilobhmm11: bay and baymodel should be the first resources for quotas | 16:53 |
| adrian_otto | followed by containers if any true use cases are identified for it | 16:54 |
| suro-patz | Tango: container-create/delete/start/stop/pause/unpause/reboot | 16:54 |
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| adrian_otto | suro-patz: I love it!! | 16:54 |
| hongbin | vilobhmm11: I think container is a good candidate from my side | 16:54 |
| coreyob | adrian_otto can we limit it to just bays? or do you have a use case for baymodels too? baymodels are just rows in a database, they're not a "real" resource | 16:54 |
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| vilobhmm11 | adrian_otto : sure | 16:54 |
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| adrian_otto | coreyob: operational experience has taught us that no resource should be unlimited | 16:55 |
| hongbin | vilobhmm11: IMO, if we want to limit containers, it should be per-bay basis | 16:55 |
| suro-patz | adrian_otto: thanks! | 16:55 |
| adrian_otto | even if the limit is really high, there needs to be an upper boundary that can be adjusted. | 16:55 |
| Tango | suro-patz: +1 | 16:55 |
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| juggler | Newly release amusing/informative video about Git here: https://youtu.be/jr4zQc3g1Ts | 16:55 |
| coreyob | adrian_otto that sounds more like a configuration option for magnum as a whole (just so that the database doesn't break) but not a tenant specific limit | 16:56 |
| adrian_otto | coreyob: this point of view assumes that any user may be hostile. | 16:56 |
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| adrian_otto | global limits suck, but are better than nothing | 16:56 |
| adrian_otto | this was covered in the email discussion | 16:56 |
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| adrian_otto | limits per tenant is much better, especially where the value can be adjusted without any system level reconfiguration | 16:57 |
| vilobhmm11 | coreyob : would recommend to go through http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-December/082266.html | 16:57 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, we are approaching the end of our scheduled time for today's meeting | 16:57 |
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| adrian_otto | Our next meeting is on Groundhog Day 2016-02-02 at 1600 UTC | 16:58 |
| adrian_otto | any final remarks before we wrap up? | 16:58 |
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| juggler | what if the meeting keeps repeating? :) | 16:59 |
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| adrian_otto | that would suck | 16:59 |
| adrian_otto | have a great day everyone, thanks for attending! | 16:59 |
| juggler | lol | 16:59 |
| adrian_otto | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 26 16:59:40 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2016/containers.2016-01-26-16.01.html | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2016/containers.2016-01-26-16.01.txt | 16:59 |
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| juggler | take care all | 16:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2016/containers.2016-01-26-16.01.log.html | 16:59 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | #startmeeting murano | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 26 17:00:41 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kzaitsev_mb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 17:00 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | #topic rollcall | 17:01 |
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| stan_lagun | o/ | 17:01 |
| zhurong | o/ | 17:01 |
| freerunner | \o/ | 17:01 |
| ativelkov | o/ | 17:01 |
| Nikolay_St_web | o/ | 17:01 |
| kzaitsev_mb | Serg asked me to chair the meeting today | 17:01 |
| kzaitsev_mb | so here we are ) | 17:01 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | obligatory | 17:02 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | o/ | 17:02 |
| madhuri | o/ | 17:02 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | agenda for todays meeting can be found here https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MuranoAgenda | 17:04 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | as usual let's start with AI review from prev meeting | 17:04 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | (also agenda had an item added by madhuri, but it was a leftover from prev meeting =)) | 17:04 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #topic Action Items Review | 17:04 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | k, so we had an item for serg about murano-apps release model | 17:05 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | as far as I know he hadn't time to tend it, and since M2 already happened — there is no rush anymore | 17:06 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | release models are frozen until Mitaka release (there was an email from Thierry I think) | 17:06 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | So I think we can omit it from agenda for the next meeting | 17:06 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | 2) ativelkov — I hate to remind you =) | 17:06 |
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| ativelkov | plugins? ) | 17:07 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | yep (= | 17:07 |
| ativelkov | Sorry, still no progress here | 17:07 |
| kzaitsev_mb | does anyone remember why we wanted it in the first place? | 17:07 |
| kzaitsev_mb | seems like it's a no rush thing too ) | 17:07 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | ah I remember — we had concerns about packaging our murano client with plugin and separate setup.cfg's | 17:09 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I suggest we cancel the item altogether =) | 17:09 |
| kzaitsev_mb | and instead let's ask around some packaging folks about how it should be done. zigo and/or iyozhikov and/or someone else, who's proficient with packages | 17:10 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #action kzaitsev_mb ask around packaging folks — how we should handle murano-glare plugin and murano-specific plugins packaging-wise | 17:11 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | ok. | 17:12 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #topic Juno branch retirement(Request by AJaeger)(freerunner) | 17:12 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | freerunner: any comments? =) | 17:12 |
| freerunner | Here I am =) | 17:12 |
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| freerunner | kzaitsev_mb: I'm working on patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/270770/ . So, when AJaeger gives me +2, he also post a comment about Juno branches. | 17:14 |
| freerunner | kzaitsev_mb: he said, that Juno EOL (yep, we knows it), but also, we should remove Juno branch from our github repo. | 17:14 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | so as far as I understand — we're politely requested, that we should remove Juno =) | 17:14 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/270770/ | 17:15 |
| freerunner | kzaitsev_mb: Exactly =) | 17:15 |
| kzaitsev_mb | To tell the truth — I thought infra folks handle those =) | 17:15 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | we had EOL for juno tagged and released on time | 17:15 |
| kzaitsev_mb | so are there any objections to dropping Juno branch? | 17:15 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | (I've actually pinged Serg about it — he had none) | 17:16 |
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| freerunner | kzaitsev_mb: I've also saw, that we have a lot of first-time branches in openstack/murano repo, like 0.1, 0.2 etc. | 17:16 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | freerunner: true | 17:17 |
| freerunner | kzaitsev_mb: Maybe we can perform a totally cleanUp for our repo? | 17:17 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | wonder if they're used by anyone =) | 17:17 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | freerunner: those branches actually contains some commits, that are not reachable through master | 17:19 |
| kzaitsev_mb | wonder if we need them... for history resons? =) | 17:20 |
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| freerunner | kzaitsev_mb: maybe.. | 17:22 |
| kzaitsev_mb | ok, so I think that I am the one who has the rights to delete branches | 17:22 |
| kzaitsev_mb | so | 17:22 |
| zhurong | kzaitsev_mb I think we should have the tags, do not need maintain the branch | 17:22 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #atcion kzaitsev_mb delete stable/juno branches | 17:22 |
| kzaitsev_mb | zhurong: yep, we should | 17:22 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | but those brnahces contain commits, that are not reachable through master | 17:23 |
| kzaitsev_mb | so if we would simply drop them — we would delete some of the history irrevocably | 17:23 |
| stan_lagun | will it disappear from github? | 17:23 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | stan_lagun: they will, yes | 17:23 |
| stan_lagun | that's bad | 17:23 |
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| stan_lagun | but may be a tag will be okay | 17:24 |
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| Nikolay_St_web | stan_lagun: tags are fine for most cases | 17:24 |
| stan_lagun | I often compare class changes in github by switching view from branch to branch. And many people still use juno | 17:24 |
| kzaitsev_mb | stan_lagun: tags won't help here, since we would drop a branch, that contains the tag. | 17:24 |
| stan_lagun | but I guess I can do the same using tag. Just more clicks needed | 17:25 |
| kzaitsev_mb | at least that's how I believe git works +) | 17:25 |
| Nikolay_St_web | kzaitsev_mb: don't we have all our tags in master branch? | 17:25 |
| kzaitsev_mb | Nikolay_St_web: we're actually talking about legacy tags here | 17:25 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | or are you talking about juno? | 17:26 |
| Nikolay_St_web | kzaitsev_mb: I guess stan_lagun asked about juno | 17:26 |
| Nikolay_St_web | and I tried to be on the same page :) | 17:26 |
| stan_lagun | can't we just exclude it from all tests etc but leave the branch? | 17:26 |
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| stan_lagun | it is still important to be able to see what methods did some class had in juno | 17:27 |
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| freerunner | stan_lagun: Not sure. I think, that we can ask Andreas about it. | 17:27 |
| Nikolay_St_web | stan_lagun: tags are helphul here | 17:27 |
| freerunner | stan_lagun: We also can ask infra-guys in the mailing list. | 17:28 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #undo | 17:28 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | #action kzaitsev_mb verify that all tags are present in master, and check how we would be able to access juno code before deleting juno branch | 17:28 |
| zigo | kaisers1: What concern did you have? | 17:29 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | zigo: it was I =) sorry, for pinging you like that =) would reach out to you after the meeting is over, would that be ok? | 17:29 |
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| zigo | kzaitsev_mb: Yeah. | 17:30 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | #action freerunner with kzaitsev_mb ask infra and stable-maint folks how we should delete and access juno branch content after juno branch deletion | 17:30 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | stan_lagun: so yep, I believe we should have tags in place to do what you asked | 17:31 |
| freerunner | kzaitsev_mb: Sahara now have only kilo, liberty and master branches. But tags like 2014.1, 2014.2 available in git. https://github.com/openstack/sahara/tree/2014.2 | 17:31 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | but I believe, we would be required to have the branch removed | 17:31 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | freerunner: yep, but | 17:32 |
| kzaitsev_mb | $ git branch --contains 2014.2.2 | 17:32 |
| kzaitsev_mb | gives me stable/juno for murano | 17:32 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | ok, I might be mixing things up | 17:34 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | anyway, those 2 action items sound like a plan to me | 17:34 |
| freerunner | kzaitsev_mb: Agreed, yep. | 17:34 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | stan_lagun: we'll make sure, that there will be an easy way to access juno murano after deleting the branch. And only after we're sure, that it's there we'll delete it. | 17:35 |
| stan_lagun | kzaitsev_mb: thanks! | 17:35 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | that was the only item on agenda, so. | 17:35 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #topic Open Discussion | 17:36 |
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| stan_lagun | I have an item for agenda if you don't mind | 17:36 |
| kzaitsev_mb | stan_lagun: I believe you had something on your mind =) | 17:36 |
| kzaitsev_mb | go on ) | 17:36 |
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| stan_lagun | six library usage in Murano | 17:36 |
| kzaitsev_mb | oh right, you never liked it ) | 17:36 |
| stan_lagun | recently we merged several commits that I'm not completely happy with | 17:37 |
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| stan_lagun | So I wanted to suggest 2 simple rules that we should follow when using six | 17:37 |
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| stan_lagun | #1: use six only when absolutely necessary. For example if existing code was iterating over range()/dict.keys()/dict.values() etc. it will still work in Py3. So until the collection is really really large there is no difference between Py2 and Py3 versions | 17:39 |
| stan_lagun | the same goes for map(), reduce() etc | 17:39 |
| kzaitsev_mb | have no objections to that — seems fair. | 17:39 |
| kzaitsev_mb | and probably more readable | 17:39 |
| stan_lagun | #2. Never import functions. It shouldn't be "from six import range" but "import six; six.range()" | 17:40 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | agree to #2 completely. I've actually thought, that hacking role, that checks it is still in place. | 17:40 |
| kzaitsev_mb | It's actually still a recomendation from hacking | 17:41 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/hacking/#imports | 17:41 |
| kzaitsev_mb | Do not import objects, only modules (*) | 17:41 |
| stan_lagun | also if some function returned dict.values() Py3 version may not be good because it returns iterator. However list(dict.values()) works in all cases. This is not a rule but a hint | 17:41 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I think we should just follow this recomendadtion ) | 17:42 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | ativelkov, freerunner, Nikolay_St_web your opinion on th above ^^ | 17:42 |
| stan_lagun | yes. And also fix the code that we already merged that doesn't follow those 2 rules | 17:42 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | stan_lagun: we can actually put it to this doc page | 17:42 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/murano/contributing.html | 17:43 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | so that we would not store this as a tribal knowledge ) | 17:43 |
| Nikolay_St_web | kzaitsev_mb: I agree here | 17:43 |
| stan_lagun | At least we should be careful on code review. Tests will not catch those issues | 17:43 |
| Nikolay_St_web | also, we really need to include this in our contributing doc | 17:43 |
| kzaitsev_mb | stan_lagun: may I ask you to put those 2 rules on a contributing doc then? =) | 17:44 |
| stan_lagun | okay | 17:44 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | #agreed with stan_lagun's suggestions regarding six usage in murano (see logs for more info =)) | 17:45 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #action stan_lagun put info on six usage to http://docs.openstack.org/developer/murano/contributing.html | 17:45 |
| stan_lagun | kzaitsev_mb: but that page contains links only. There are no code style or something there so it would be strange to start with six :) | 17:45 |
| Nikolay_St_web | stan_lagun: that's ok | 17:46 |
| kzaitsev_mb | stan_lagun: well, I think that would be a good place to start adding those | 17:46 |
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| Nikolay_St_web | this docs usually has links to general guidelines and some additional project-related style changes | 17:46 |
| Nikolay_St_web | so, why can't we start with six? | 17:46 |
| kzaitsev_mb | Nikolay_St_web: yep, we don't have such section yet, so this contributing guide seems like a place as good as any | 17:47 |
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| freerunner | I think, this will be a good start for contributing guide. =) | 17:48 |
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| freerunner | Also, agreed with stan_lagun's proposal. | 17:48 |
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| freerunner | So, since we start speak about contributing guide here, maybe we can also add some rules about murano-apps commit naming?) | 17:49 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | freerunner: as a separate commit — no problem ) | 17:50 |
| freerunner | kzaitsev_mb: Yep, ofc this commit should be separated. | 17:50 |
| kzaitsev_mb | that's actually a good place where we can gather together some of the tribal knowledge we have | 17:50 |
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| Nikolay_St_web | kzaitsev_mb: freerunner I guess that murano-apps related stuff should be placed in murano-apps repo | 17:51 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | freerunner: let's maybe start an etherpad and try to remember what custom rules we have regarding commits and contribution | 17:52 |
| kzaitsev_mb | and later transfer that to that article | 17:52 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano-contributors-rules | 17:53 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | if anyone remembers anything else — don't hesitate to add a line there =) | 17:54 |
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| Nikolay_St_web | kzaitsev_mb: ok | 17:54 |
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| freerunner | Nikolay_St_web: We haven't doc in murano apps and, respectively, haven't a doc-build job for it. I think, we can put items about murano-apps into contributor's guide in murano repo, because murano-apps doesn't work without murano (Or this thing is wrong? :) ). | 17:55 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | freerunner: one doc to rule them all ) | 17:55 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | freerunner: we currently have only 1 doc for all murano stuff (including agend and dashboard) so apps fit in nice there | 17:56 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | ok, that felt like a productive meeting with lot's of AI for the next agenda =) Thanks a lot everyone! | 17:57 |
| Nikolay_St_web | kzaitsev_mb: bye | 17:58 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | If anyone has anything else to discuss, you're always welcome in #murano =) | 17:59 |
| kzaitsev_mb | wrapping up | 17:59 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Discuss L7 feature (and review) timeline re: Mitaka (sbalukoff) (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 17:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 26 17:59:10 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:59 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2016/murano.2016-01-26-17.00.html | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2016/murano.2016-01-26-17.00.txt | 17:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2016/murano.2016-01-26-17.00.log.html | 17:59 |
| freerunner | cheers =) | 17:59 |
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