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| n0ano | #startmeeting nova-scheduler | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 14 14:00:15 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is n0ano. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova-scheduler)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_scheduler' | 14:00 |
| n0ano | Anyone here to talk about the scheduler? | 14:00 |
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| edleafe | \o | 14:00 |
| _gryf | hi | 14:01 |
| bauzas | \o | 14:01 |
| * carl_baldwin lurks | 14:01 | |
| n0ano | carl_baldwin, _gryf welcome to some new names | 14:02 |
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| * n0ano notes that lurkers are welcome although they could get assigned tasks :-) | 14:02 | |
| _gryf | oh my :) | 14:02 |
| edleafe | n0ano doesn't mess around | 14:03 |
| n0ano | let's get started | 14:03 |
| n0ano | #topic specs & BPs | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "specs & BPs (Meeting topic: nova-scheduler)" | 14:03 | |
| bauzas | so... | 14:04 |
| bauzas | Music and mythology, Einstein and astrology | 14:04 |
| bauzas | It all started with the big bang! | 14:04 |
| n0ano | I think we're in relatively good shape on BPs, jay's resource providers is the only open one and he's asked for an exception on it, hopefully that will be OK | 14:04 |
| bauzas | by that ^, I meant that jaypipes began to split resource-providers | 14:04 |
| n0ano | bauzas, tnx for the explaination, you lost me completely for a minute :-) | 14:04 |
| n0ano | yeah, I think he'll get it | 14:05 |
| n0ano | does anyone else have any BPs they are concerned about? | 14:05 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: tribute to The Big Bang Theory TV show | 14:06 |
| n0ano | only, let's go to a different topic (I meant to add this to the agenda and got confused at midnight) | 14:06 |
| n0ano | #topic patches | 14:06 |
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| cdent | o/ | 14:06 |
| bauzas | things are going pacefully for the req-spec BP | 14:06 |
| n0ano | are there any patches people have concerns about that we need to discuss | 14:06 |
| n0ano | bauzas, yeah, now it's time to worry about implementations | 14:07 |
| bauzas | I have some soft-affinity patches for ServerGroups that I'm reviewing closely because they depend from the spec-obj BP | 14:07 |
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| n0ano | bauzas, do you need help with reviews or is that going OK for now? | 14:08 |
| cdent | I'm trying to spin up my review frequency, but I'm still a bit too ignorant to be really good. | 14:08 |
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| n0ano | cdent, not to worry, we learn by doing here so don't be intimidated | 14:09 |
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| n0ano | cdent, WFM :-) | 14:10 |
| bauzas | n0ano: well, reviews are always good :) | 14:10 |
| bauzas | cdent: so you had other stuff for us to review ? | 14:10 |
| bauzas | in terms of doc ? | 14:10 |
| cdent | bauzas: not written yet. | 14:11 |
| bauzas | cdent: ack, no worries, take your time | 14:11 |
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| n0ano | OK, not hearing any problems with patches (that'll probably change with time) let's move on | 14:11 |
| n0ano | #topic bugs | 14:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: nova-scheduler)" | 14:11 | |
| n0ano | I actually have some good news here | 14:12 |
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| n0ano | we have a team in San Antonio that is looking into bugs and I've started the process to get them to look at scheduler bugs | 14:12 |
| n0ano | we should be getting some activity on this issue soon | 14:12 |
| * markus_z jumps with joy | 14:13 | |
| n0ano | won't solve them all but I'm hoping to make a big dent in the list | 14:13 |
| edleafe | n0ano: being in SA, I can be a contact with no TZ issues | 14:13 |
| bauzas | n0ano: okay, provided they don't all jump on saying "eh, the scheduler is racy !" | 14:14 |
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| markus_z | n0ano: FWIW, I wrote down what I know about the process at http://markuszoeller.github.io/posts/openstack-bugs/ | 14:14 |
| n0ano | markus_z, excellent, I'll make sure that gets forwarded on | 14:14 |
| n0ano | bauzas, hopefully we'll spread the effort around, races are not the only issue | 14:15 |
| bauzas | n0ano: I could even troll by saying that the scheduler isn't racy, but that's maybe a bit harsh :D | 14:15 |
| markus_z | #info: 5 scheduler related bugs open at https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=scheduler&field.status%3Alist=NEW | 14:16 |
| bauzas | well, it's not that the scheduler isn't racy, it's rather that *it is by design* :D | 14:16 |
| n0ano | bauzas, I just saw the email about this today and haven't had a chance to read it yet, we can maybe discuss that at the next meeting | 14:16 |
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| bauzas | that's a very long story, not sure we can be that interested | 14:17 |
| bauzas | :) | 14:17 |
| cdent | bauzas: at some point I'd like to hear that history | 14:18 |
| bauzas | cdent: take 3 shots of coffee first :) | 14:18 |
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| n0ano | OK, hope to see progress on bugs but let's move on | 14:18 |
| n0ano | #topic opens | 14:18 |
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| edleafe | cdent: I'm not sure you do. :) | 14:19 |
| n0ano | I have one - future meetings with the holidays | 14:19 |
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| * cdent loves to know all the goss | 14:19 | |
| bauzas | n0ano: cancel with joy ? | 14:19 |
| cdent | cancel++ | 14:19 |
| bauzas | btw. about the midcycle | 14:19 |
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| cdent | bauzas: 3 shots? that's well under par | 14:20 |
| bauzas | do we know who can't attend it, and who would like to still voice ? | 14:20 |
| n0ano | bauzas, hold off on that for a second | 14:20 |
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| n0ano | cancel seems to be a winner, shall we cancel the next two and start up again on 1/4? | 14:20 |
| bauzas | +2 | 14:20 |
| bauzas | for that proposal | 14:21 |
| edleafe | +1 from me | 14:21 |
| bauzas | but I'm French, so I guess I shouldn't be representative about vacations | 14:21 |
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| n0ano | bauzas, it's not summer, you're good :-) | 14:21 |
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| * cdent laughs | 14:21 | |
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| bauzas | n0ano: well, France is still freezed by those dates, so you know... | 14:22 |
| bauzas | that - and May | 14:22 |
| cdent | +1 on return on the 4th | 14:22 |
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| n0ano | I've got two +1s and a +2, that means we merge it :-) Meet again on 1/4/16 | 14:22 |
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| n0ano | back to mid-cycle | 14:23 |
| bauzas | n0ano: merge by only +2, horrible ! | 14:23 |
| bauzas | by only *one | 14:23 |
| n0ano | bauzas, I'm a little loose, what can I say | 14:23 |
| n0ano | back to the mid-cycle | 14:23 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: so, just wanted to know who can't attend | 14:23 |
| n0ano | I'ts in Britain so I'm not even sure I'll make it this time, anybody else here know their plans | 14:23 |
| cdent | I'll be there | 14:24 |
| bauzas | edleafe: ? | 14:24 |
| edleafe | Not me | 14:24 |
| bauzas | ack | 14:24 |
| cdent | I can report that jay*pipes and timofei will be there | 14:24 |
| bauzas | ok | 14:24 |
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| n0ano | cdent, that's good so we'll have mostly a quorum for the scheduler | 14:25 |
| bauzas | n0ano: edleafe: so I don't know if it's planned to be hangouted yet, but I'd propose you to ask for it :) | 14:25 |
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| n0ano | bauzas, yeah, I'll make sure that's at least considered | 14:25 |
| edleafe | bauzas: hmmm... it'll start at 3am my time | 14:26 |
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| bauzas | oh right | 14:26 |
| edleafe | so save the good stuff for the afternoon :) | 14:26 |
| bauzas | edleafe: I could ask to have the scheduler decisions by the afternoons | 14:26 |
| n0ano | edleafe, +1 | 14:26 |
| bauzas | edleafe: of course, this is a meetup style, but yeah I guess you got my idea | 14:26 |
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| edleafe | bauzas: that would work | 14:26 |
| n0ano | anything else for today? | 14:27 |
| bauzas | well, provided I arrive safe in Bristol, given I should drive by lefy | 14:27 |
| bauzas | left | 14:27 |
| cdent | bauzas: take train! | 14:27 |
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| n0ano | bauzas, driving left on the roads is fine, parking lots on the other hand will kill you :-) | 14:28 |
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| * cdent still struggles with the parking lots | 14:28 | |
| bauzas | cdent: walking on January in Bristol seems a bad idea :) | 14:29 |
| n0ano | OK, I'm hearing crickets (and idle chatter :-) so let's close | 14:29 |
| bauzas | ++ | 14:29 |
| * cdent nods | 14:29 | |
| n0ano | tnx everyone, have a great holiday and we'll meet again next year on 1/4 | 14:29 |
| n0ano | #endmeeting | 14:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: neutron_dvr)" | 14:30 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Dec 14 14:30:04 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2015/nova_scheduler.2015-12-14-14.00.html | 14:30 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2015/nova_scheduler.2015-12-14-14.00.txt | 14:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2015/nova_scheduler.2015-12-14-14.00.log.html | 14:30 |
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| ihrachys | hi all for the upgrades meeting. we'll start in a minute. | 15:00 |
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| korzen | hi | 15:00 |
| mhickey | Hi | 15:00 |
| akamyshnikova | hi! | 15:01 |
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| ajo | o/ | 15:01 |
| * ajo creeps | 15:01 | |
| ihrachys | ajo: I will ping you if/when you are needed | 15:01 |
| ihrachys | ok... | 15:01 |
| ihrachys | #startmeeting neutron_upgrades | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 14 15:01:45 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ihrachys. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_upgrades)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_upgrades' | 15:01 |
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| ihrachys | hi all. I read the meeting notes from the previous week, seems like it was a quiet meeting ;) thanks sc68cal for handling it anyway. | 15:02 |
| ihrachys | there are no announcements from my side. let's go straight to the matter. | 15:03 |
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| ihrachys | #topic Organisational matters | 15:03 |
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| ihrachys | one thing I wanted to ask you folks is whether we need a separate Launchpad tag for upgrade related issues. I think it could be useful once we get more stuff to care. | 15:03 |
| rossella_s | let's wait then till we see the real need for it | 15:04 |
| rossella_s | (sorry for being late) | 15:04 |
| ihrachys | that's reasonable. then let's wait. :) | 15:04 |
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| mhickey | agree | 15:04 |
| akamyshnikova | agreed | 15:05 |
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| ihrachys | ok next thing is | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | #topic Partial Multinode Grenade | 15:05 |
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| ihrachys | sc68cal: korzen: dare to update what's the job state and where we can help? | 15:05 |
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| korzen | I was not able to handle the grenade job lately | 15:06 |
| ihrachys | korzen: pointers where to start for those who could have time to help? | 15:06 |
| korzen | but the latest status is that we've got problem during resource creation phase | 15:06 |
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| korzen | yeap, anyone able to help is welcome | 15:07 |
| korzen | the status is on mailing list | 15:07 |
| korzen | let me search for it | 15:07 |
| ihrachys | korzen: it's http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/079344.html ? | 15:07 |
| ihrachys | and below | 15:07 |
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| korzen | yes, this is the thread | 15:08 |
| * ihrachys should spare some cycles to look at what we have now | 15:08 | |
| ihrachys | I hope we have more eyes glaring this week. | 15:08 |
| korzen | I hoped that sc68cal would take a look last week | 15:08 |
| ihrachys | korzen: is there a way to trigger new runs? is it 'check experimental'? | 15:09 |
| ihrachys | or 'recheck'? | 15:09 |
| korzen | yes, it is the 'check experimental' | 15:09 |
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| korzen | is there a way to get the job stats? | 15:09 |
| korzen | from jenkins? | 15:09 |
| ihrachys | korzen: you mean, the number of failures vs. successes? | 15:10 |
| korzen | yes | 15:10 |
| ihrachys | korzen: I know little, but I have heard folks use graphite for that: http://graphite.openstack.org | 15:10 |
| ihrachys | korzen: infra (sdague?) probably should have an answer. I know Sean actively monitors failures for some gate jobs. | 15:11 |
| korzen | ihrachys, ok I will ask them | 15:12 |
| ihrachys | ok, everyone welcome to look at latest results, and collect them. | 15:12 |
| ihrachys | let's move on | 15:12 |
| ihrachys | #topic Object implementation | 15:12 |
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| ihrachys | rossella_s: I believe it's your turn :) | 15:12 |
| rossella_s | yay! | 15:13 |
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| rossella_s | so in case you didn't have a look, there's a WIP https://review.openstack.org/#/c/253641 | 15:13 |
| rossella_s | thanks ihrachys for the review | 15:13 |
| rossella_s | I wanted to see if we can use the ObjectField to model extensions | 15:14 |
| rossella_s | it seems to work | 15:14 |
| ihrachys | rossella_s: that's a really good start, even though we need to iterate a bit on it. | 15:14 |
| rossella_s | I didn't want to spend too much time on it, I wanted to receive feedback from people who worked with ovo before | 15:14 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, yes | 15:14 |
| rossella_s | more than a bit | 15:14 |
| ihrachys | rossella_s: :) | 15:14 |
| rossella_s | just wanted to get some feeback before spending weeks on it :p | 15:15 |
| korzen | I will post a WIP patch on network later this week | 15:15 |
| korzen | network OVO | 15:15 |
| rossella_s | korzen, great! | 15:15 |
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| ihrachys | I guess extensions, more test coverage could be the first steps. it would also be great to see whether it would be easy to plug the code into some existing code using dicts to see how it plays there. I think kevinbenton wanted to get it into notification layer, so that could be a good start. | 15:15 |
| rossella_s | so my plan for next week it's to keep working on this patch, adding tests as a first step | 15:15 |
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| korzen | the network OVO has dependency on port, subnet and NetworkRBAC | 15:16 |
| ihrachys | korzen: I am very glad to hear more good news! | 15:16 |
| rossella_s | agreed ihrachys | 15:16 |
| rossella_s | first let's add more tests, then let's try to introduce it in the code | 15:16 |
| ihrachys | korzen: for rbac, we need to think how we integrate it into objects. AFAIK there is a patch by hdaniel that should come up with some general rbac solution, starting with qos policies. | 15:17 |
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| ihrachys | that one: https://review.openstack.org/250081 | 15:17 |
| ihrachys | so probably worth a look | 15:17 |
| korzen | My current approach is to have Network OVO with custom JSON fields for port and subnet in it - this is the today's aproach, I'll see how it will work... | 15:17 |
| rossella_s | korzen, please no custom JSON field | 15:18 |
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| ihrachys | rossella_s: I guess it's temp solution until port object is ready | 15:18 |
| ihrachys | obviously not for merge | 15:18 |
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| rossella_s | ihrachys, ok then, let's put a big TODO there :) | 15:18 |
| ihrachys | a huge one | 15:18 |
| korzen | rossella_s, the problem is that subnet is introducing the 5 more OVO object to implement | 15:19 |
| rossella_s | korzen, then I would say let's start with one of those object and leave network for later | 15:19 |
| ihrachys | korzen: I am afrain that's something we'll be forced to unravel. :( | 15:19 |
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| ihrachys | yeah, I guess starting with leaves is the right approach. it's nevertheless good we started with network because now we should have better understanding of the tree. | 15:20 |
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| rossella_s | yeah | 15:20 |
| korzen | I will try to post some patch with both aproaches | 15:20 |
| ihrachys | korzen: cool! | 15:21 |
| korzen | I'll see how it woudl work in the end... | 15:21 |
| korzen | s/woudl/would | 15:21 |
| ihrachys | on general object stuff side, I was reminded by nova folks we need some validation against unintended object schema changes in the gate. nova has something called object hasher that allows to hash on object schema definitions in the registry, I will need to look into adopting the approach. | 15:22 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, nice | 15:22 |
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| ihrachys | ok, so thanks everyone for working on the objects side, and looking forward for more ;) | 15:22 |
| ihrachys | let's move on | 15:22 |
| rossella_s | :) | 15:22 |
| ihrachys | #topic Patches on review | 15:22 |
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| ihrachys | so rossella_s's patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/253641/ was already discussed. | 15:23 |
| ihrachys | another upgrades thing was devref update for upgrade strategy for RPC callbacks by ajo: https://review.openstack.org/241154 it's now merged. kudos to ajo! | 15:23 |
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| ihrachys | ajo: when do we expect to start nitpicking on code for the devref? | 15:23 |
| mhickey | well done ajo; lot of hard PSes! :) | 15:23 |
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| ihrachys | ok, let's get back to ajo later, seems like he is deep into something right now :) | 15:24 |
| ihrachys | I have one more patch for has_offline_migrations CLI for neutron-db-manage: https://review.openstack.org/248190 but it's still not really ready for merge, so let's not waste time on it | 15:25 |
| ihrachys | any more patches for the team to look at? | 15:25 |
| korzen | I have to drop the meeting, bye all! | 15:26 |
| ihrachys | korzen: o/ | 15:26 |
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| ihrachys | ok, I guess nothing else to review for now. which is fine, let's move on. | 15:26 |
| ihrachys | #topic Open discussion | 15:27 |
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| ihrachys | I had one think in the agenda and was hoping to hear from rossella_s and akamyshnikova since you both know a great deal about OVS agent backend side | 15:27 |
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| ihrachys | specifically, | 15:27 |
| ihrachys | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-December/081264.html | 15:27 |
| * rossella_s looking | 15:27 | |
| ihrachys | that's a proposal to introduce some structure into how we manage flows for features | 15:28 |
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| ihrachys | I suspect it may impact rolling upgrades (in terms of data plane disruption), so it would be great to hear what you think. | 15:28 |
| rossella_s | I had read it briefly and was planning to comment on it | 15:28 |
| rossella_s | ok, will answer later today | 15:28 |
| ihrachys | same for overall proposal, since it honestly can make little sense. | 15:29 |
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| ihrachys | rossella_s: thanks! | 15:29 |
| ihrachys | akamyshnikova: and thanks in advance your way ;) | 15:29 |
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| rossella_s | cool, anything else? | 15:30 |
| ihrachys | one more thing that was raised by mhickey is we probably have little stuff to tackle for those who would like to get more involved. | 15:30 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, we can find something | 15:30 |
| ihrachys | so I was wondering whether folks see where we can spin off some tasks for those who have time? | 15:30 |
| mhickey | I am willing! :) | 15:30 |
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| rossella_s | I will try to do that, once I get the ovo port in a better shape | 15:31 |
| * ihrachys now wonders whether the objects hasher thing can be a great candidate for exact that goal | 15:31 | |
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| rossella_s | ihrachys, good point | 15:31 |
| rossella_s | maybe we should have an action for next meeting to fill a list of tasks that can be given to people willing to join | 15:31 |
| ihrachys | mhickey: ok, let's discuss then in neutron channel what's that about and how you can help once you feel less burdened by other stuff you handle. | 15:32 |
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| ihrachys | rossella_s: that's a great idea! | 15:32 |
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| ihrachys | #action ihrachys to start a detailed list of tasks to do for folks with free time | 15:32 |
| mhickey | ihrachys: sure; might be able to get something rolling before the holidays. | 15:32 |
| ihrachys | rossella_s: is it ok to maintain it on wiki? or should it be etherpad? | 15:32 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, I think for now the wiki is ok...I don't expect a long list | 15:33 |
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| ihrachys | rossella_s: ok. thanks for the suggestion. | 15:33 |
| ski1 | ihrachys: i have 2 developers dedicated to this effort to attack those details | 15:33 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, thank you actually :) | 15:33 |
| ihrachys | ski1: oh that's nice to hear. let's discuss details off the meeting! | 15:33 |
| ski1 | ihrachys: sounds good | 15:34 |
| ihrachys | anyone else for the open discussion? | 15:34 |
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| ihrachys | #action rossella_s to reply on ovs agent flow maintenance email thread | 15:35 |
| ihrachys | ok, I guess that's it, we call a day. | 15:35 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, thanks | 15:35 |
| ihrachys | thanks everyone for joining! | 15:35 |
| ihrachys | #endmeeting | 15:35 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Dec 14 15:35:24 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:35 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2015/neutron_upgrades.2015-12-14-15.01.html | 15:35 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2015/neutron_upgrades.2015-12-14-15.01.txt | 15:35 |
| mhickey | thanks | 15:35 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2015/neutron_upgrades.2015-12-14-15.01.log.html | 15:35 |
| mhickey | bye | 15:35 |
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| ihrachys | ski1: please join #openstack-neutron | 15:35 |
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| dims | hi | 15:59 |
| johnsom | Morning | 15:59 |
| dims | #startmeeting oslo | 15:59 |
| dims | courtesy ping for GheRivero, amotoki, amrith, bknudson, bnemec, dansmith, dhellmann, dougwig, e0ne, flaper87, garyk, harlowja, haypo, | 15:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 14 15:59:42 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dims. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:59 |
| dims | courtesy ping for ihrachyshka, jd__, jecarey, johnsom, jungleboyj, kgiusti, kragniz, lifeless, lintan, ozamiatin, redrobot, rpodolyaka, spamaps | 15:59 |
| dims | courtesy ping for sergmelikyan, sreshetnyak, sileht, sreshetnyak, stevemar, therve, thinrichs, toabctl, viktors, zhiyan, zzzeek, gcb | 15:59 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 15:59 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 15:59 |
| lxsli | ohai | 15:59 |
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| bknudson | hi | 15:59 |
| gcb | o/ | 15:59 |
| johnsom | o/ | 15:59 |
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| sileht | o/ | 16:00 |
| rbradfor | o/ | 16:00 |
| kgiusti | o/ | 16:00 |
| haypo | hello oslo | 16:00 |
| ozamiatin | o/ | 16:00 |
| dims | good morning/afternoon/evening/night - johnsom lxsli bknudson gcb sileht rbradfor kgiusti haypo ozamiatin | 16:00 |
| haypo | maybe we can say hoslo for hello | 16:00 |
| dims | haha | 16:00 |
| johnsom | ha | 16:00 |
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| dims | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 16:01 |
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| bknudson | none for keystone | 16:01 |
| johnsom | None from LBaaS land | 16:01 |
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| dims | the grenade job for kilo->liberty should be green now. had to fix oslo.middleware to put back oslo namespace stuff | 16:01 |
| dims | thanks bknudson johnsom | 16:02 |
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| bogdando | hi | 16:02 |
| dims | bknudson : did any of the other projects adopt the way keystone does tests for deprecated stuff yet? | 16:02 |
| dims | hi bogdando | 16:02 |
| bknudson | dims: I haven't seen anything | 16:02 |
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| haypo | FYI i'm the assigned liaison for nova, but i'm not working on nova anymore | 16:03 |
| haypo | maybe nova needs a new liaison? | 16:03 |
| dims | haypo : ack, can you please tell Nova PTL? | 16:03 |
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| haypo | dims: right, will do | 16:03 |
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| dims | haypo : thanks for the heads up | 16:03 |
| dims | #topic Releases for Mitaka | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Releases for Mitaka (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:03 | |
| dims | Does anyone need releases today? please file reviews in openstack/releases repo. | 16:03 |
| haypo | dims: i will need a release of oslo.service for liberty | 16:04 |
| haypo | dims: is it possible to get it for next week? the required change is not merged yet :-D | 16:04 |
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| dims | haypo : y just file a review when ready | 16:05 |
| dims | #topic New Spec Review | 16:05 |
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| dims | bogdando : can you please introduce this | 16:05 |
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| dims | #link https://review.openstack.org/256342 (Add a spec for a work queue messaging pattern) | 16:05 |
| dims | sileht : around? | 16:05 |
| haypo | dims: a review for the releases repo, right? (FYI the fix is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/256443/ a regression in signal handler, a race condition) | 16:05 |
| bogdando | this spec is logical continuation of numerous openstack-dev ML topics | 16:06 |
| sileht | dims, yes | 16:06 |
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| dims | sileht : bogdando : sounds like a new parallel API to me, right? | 16:06 |
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| bogdando | it is not clear what and how we already have implemented for worq-queue pattern in Oslo messaging | 16:06 |
| dims | bogdando : right all we know is that we can't break anyone :) | 16:07 |
| bogdando | yes, this is supposed to became so. But alternatives assume to figure out and rework the current state | 16:07 |
| dims | sileht : prefer a fresh start here, right? | 16:07 |
| dims | given the troubles we had enforcing the current API | 16:08 |
| dims | (sequence of calls) | 16:08 |
| bogdando | main points are clearly defined claims and failure modes | 16:08 |
| bogdando | and hopefully new API docs... | 16:08 |
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| sileht | It's still unclear for me what we will add to oslo.messaging (I haven't yet read the latest patchset of this afternoon) | 16:09 |
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| bogdando | WorkQueue API | 16:09 |
| bogdando | and I added new alt, "use celery and touch nothing please" | 16:10 |
| sileht | lol | 16:10 |
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| dims | haha | 16:10 |
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| * dims googles for "work queue api" | 16:10 | |
| dims | ok let's continue discussion on the spec itself. thanks bogdando | 16:11 |
| dims | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/256431/ (Support RBAC with LDAP in oslo.policy) | 16:11 |
| dims | is anyone here for this spec? | 16:11 |
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| dims | bknudson, stevemar : wanted to catch your eye ^^ | 16:11 |
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| dims | not sure how it lines up with the dynamic policy work | 16:12 |
| bknudson | there is no dynamic policy work. | 16:12 |
| bknudson | what do you think about putting this in keystone-specs ? | 16:12 |
| dims | bknudson : deep sixed | 16:12 |
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| dims | bknudson : what happened to the work? | 16:13 |
| dims | "dynamic policy work"? | 16:13 |
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| bknudson | dims: dynamic policy was abandoned | 16:13 |
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| bknudson | we don't have any bps in m for dynamic policy. | 16:13 |
| dims | bknudson : interesting thanks. please leave a note on that review to move to keystone-specs | 16:14 |
| haypo | bknudson: what are the "operations" managed in LDAP? | 16:14 |
| bknudson | haypo: I don't know what operations means? | 16:14 |
| haypo | bknudson: who is responsible to handle these permissions on these operations? oslo.policy or keystone? | 16:14 |
| stevemar | dims: bknudson is it really related to dynamic policy? | 16:14 |
| bknudson | the work is in oslo.policy. | 16:14 |
| haypo | bknudson: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/256431/7/specs/mitaka/ldap-rbac.rst : "Permission is which ROLE can do OPERATION with OBJECT" | 16:14 |
| bknudson | I don't think oslo.policy should be an oslo project and belongs in keystone | 16:14 |
| bknudson | the operation is like "list users" "boot instance" | 16:15 |
| dims | stevemar : bknudson the source of the information in policy.json picked up "dynamically" from another source? | 16:15 |
| dims | not policy.json | 16:15 |
| stevemar | dims: gotcha | 16:15 |
| haypo | bknudson: i'm replying to "what do you think about putting this in keystone-specs ?" | 16:15 |
| dims | bknudson : +2A to move it | 16:16 |
| stevemar | dims: but like bknudson said, we abandoned it. not enough of a need from operators to have the work done | 16:16 |
| haypo | bknudson: you want to move the spec, or the whole oslo.policy, inside keystone? i don't understand :-/ | 16:17 |
| dims | stevemar : so this seems like a light-weight alternative | 16:17 |
| dims | haypo : let's stick to the spec for now :) | 16:17 |
| bknudson | haypo: I want to move the whole oslo.policy to keystone | 16:17 |
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| haypo | bknudson: oh ok. so yes, it makes sense to move the spec | 16:17 |
| dims | bknudson : do you envision a rename? | 16:17 |
| stevemar | dims: i hope not :P | 16:18 |
| bknudson | I don't think renaming the library is worth it | 16:18 |
| haypo | maybe we need another to move oslo.policy inside keystone? :) | 16:18 |
| haypo | another spec* | 16:18 |
| dims | bknudson : +1 to get the ball rolling on a ML thread | 16:19 |
| dims | then we can do a governance patch | 16:19 |
| dims | haypo : don't think we need another spec :) | 16:19 |
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| bknudson | #action bknudson to send note to -dev list to request move oslo.policy to keystone | 16:20 |
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| dims | k. now that spec is off the table for us :) | 16:20 |
| dims | #topic OpenStack Spec Review | 16:20 |
| dims | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226157/ (Backwards compat for libraries and clients.) | 16:20 |
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| dims | need some +1's on ^^ per request from TC | 16:20 |
| bknudson | +1 from me | 16:21 |
| dims | net, net. we can't break any active release...all active releases may use newest oslo libs | 16:21 |
| dims | s/release/releases/ | 16:21 |
| bknudson | we already broke that since we dropped 2.6 support | 16:21 |
| dims | we have to figure out the test matrices to help us figure out | 16:21 |
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| dims | bknudson : that spec is not in effect yet :) | 16:21 |
| bknudson | we should make sure to drop support for stuff before the spec gets merged | 16:22 |
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| dims | bknudson : LOL as long you don't break CI jobs | 16:22 |
| dims | then folks would spot it :) | 16:22 |
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| dims | #topic Open discussion | 16:23 |
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| lxsli | I'd like to discuss https://review.openstack.org/#/c/253125 | 16:23 |
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| johnsom | I will not be at these meetings until the 4th | 16:23 |
| dims | johnsom ack thanks for the heads up | 16:23 |
| amrith | ./ | 16:24 |
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| lxsli | harlowja left a comment, I've requested a couple of times in channel to discuss it but not been able to raise anyone | 16:24 |
| amrith | I'd asked a questions some days agon on the channel, I'd like to ask here | 16:24 |
| amrith | dims was out when I asked ... | 16:24 |
| amrith | about strutils.mask_password() | 16:24 |
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| amrith | dims, ok to ask now? | 16:24 |
| dims | harlowja : TZ issues i think, will review it | 16:25 |
| lxsli | dims: thanks! | 16:25 |
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| dims | amrith : shoot | 16:25 |
| amrith | thx | 16:25 |
| amrith | the issue is with mask_password() | 16:25 |
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| amrith | currently it is setup to mask a string | 16:25 |
| amrith | I'd like to extend the same capability to a dictionary | 16:25 |
| amrith | where the keys are in the 'list' that mask_password() uses | 16:25 |
| amrith | the list of keys is the same. | 16:26 |
| amrith | and I'm wondering whether I can add it to mask_password() | 16:26 |
| haypo | amrith: accept dict as input type? why not using a dict comprehension for example? | 16:26 |
| amrith | or whether it is not a 'strutils' thing. | 16:26 |
| amrith | yes, I want to mask passwords in a dictionary | 16:26 |
| haypo | amrith: i don't think that it's worth to make the function more complex | 16:26 |
| amrith | such as { "password": "u812hhx", ... } | 16:27 |
| haypo | amrith: you should write your own helper in your application | 16:27 |
| amrith | I would like to add mask_dict_password() | 16:27 |
| amrith | and put it in strutils | 16:27 |
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| haypo | i prefer to keep oslo.utils simple | 16:27 |
| amrith | one second, I have a request for a plan (b) | 16:27 |
| dims | amrith : if we see more projects doing that then may be we can consider it. haypo's point seems valid to me | 16:28 |
| dims | ack | 16:28 |
| amrith | may I change _SANITIZE_KEYS to SANITIZE_KEYS | 16:28 |
| amrith | making it explicit that other modules may use it | 16:29 |
| amrith | and add a comment there. | 16:29 |
| haypo | amrith: dhellmann was opposed to that | 16:29 |
| amrith | then I'll write my helper routine. | 16:29 |
| amrith | haypo, sorry didn't see dhellmann's reply | 16:29 |
| amrith | apologies | 16:29 |
| amrith | then what do y'all suggest? | 16:29 |
| haypo | amrith: dict((mask_password(key), value) for key, value in dict.iteritems()) doesn't fit your use case? | 16:29 |
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| haypo | amrith: it's just one line, no? | 16:29 |
| haypo | "then what do y'all suggest?" again, develop such helper in your application | 16:30 |
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| amrith | haypo, I'm trying to understand how this would work | 16:30 |
| amrith | I'll think about your suggestion (1 line) and get back to you | 16:30 |
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| amrith | thx | 16:31 |
| dims | haypo : guessing you need to mask the value and not the key | 16:31 |
| amrith | dims, good for now | 16:31 |
| haypo | amrith: i'm not sure that i understood your use case | 16:31 |
| haypo | dims: ah | 16:31 |
| amrith | dims, yes | 16:31 |
| haypo | in this case, you cannot use mask_password() in its current shape | 16:31 |
| amrith | if the dictionary is as I said earlier { "password": "u812hhx", ... } | 16:31 |
| haypo | amrith: open a review for that and explain your use case | 16:31 |
| amrith | I want to mask the "u812hhx", | 16:31 |
| amrith | with "****" | 16:31 |
| amrith | I don't think the 1 line proposed would work | 16:32 |
| amrith | haypo, that's the use-case | 16:32 |
| amrith | 1 line above | 16:32 |
| amrith | given a dict like { "password": "u812hhx", ... } | 16:32 |
| amrith | mask the "u812hhx" and replace with "***" | 16:32 |
| haypo | amrith: dhellmann was opposed to allow applications to pass new keys to hide to mask_password() | 16:32 |
| amrith | where "password" is any one of the values in _SANITIZE_KEYS | 16:32 |
| haypo | amrith: it's different from getting the list of keys | 16:32 |
| amrith | I don't want to pass new keys to mask_password() | 16:33 |
| amrith | I want to write a helper function that uses _SANITIZE_KEYS | 16:33 |
| haypo | amrith: but maybe it's worth to add a new function | 16:33 |
| amrith | and the leading "_" implies private | 16:33 |
| amrith | I would be fine changing _SANITIZE_KEYS to SANITIZE_KEYS | 16:33 |
| amrith | and importing it in my helper | 16:33 |
| amrith | and implementing the logic for dictionaries | 16:33 |
| amrith | all I want is the change to the variable name | 16:33 |
| amrith | in strutils.py | 16:33 |
| haypo | don't use _SANITIZE_KEYS outside strutils.py | 16:33 |
| amrith | from _SANITIZE_KEYS to SANITIZE_KEYS | 16:34 |
| amrith | haypo, you don't | 16:34 |
| amrith | my helper function would. | 16:34 |
| dims | amrith : which review #? | 16:34 |
| haypo | amrith: i changed my mind. propose a change to add a new function to strutils | 16:34 |
| amrith | dims, don't have one yet. | 16:34 |
| amrith | haypo, I will do that and submit a review | 16:34 |
| amrith | that may make it more concrete | 16:34 |
| amrith | as an example of the intended use-case. | 16:34 |
| haypo | amrith: ok. add me (victor stinner) in the reviewers | 16:34 |
| dims | k lets start with a new function for dict with a concrete test | 16:34 |
| amrith | haypo, dims understood. | 16:34 |
| amrith | thanks | 16:35 |
| amrith | I will do that | 16:35 |
| dims | thanks | 16:35 |
| dims | johnsom lxsli bknudson gcb sileht rbradfor kgiusti haypo ozamiatin - anything else? | 16:35 |
| haypo | lxsli: sorry i'm not a big fan of oslo.config, so i'm not really excited by extended it (so i didn't review your change) | 16:35 |
| haypo | dims: nope | 16:35 |
| kgiusti | nope | 16:35 |
| gcb | In last meeting , we talked how to clean up bugs with wrong status, I created an etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/oslo_bug_track | 16:35 |
| bknudson | nothing for me | 16:35 |
| stpierre | i'd like comments on the approach in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/256584/, if anyone can give me some direction. if it looks like the right way to tackle the issue, i've got some paperwork to do before it can be merged | 16:35 |
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| lxsli | haypo: that's OK, it's harlowja torpedoing it and running away I mind :) | 16:36 |
| dims | stpierre : ack will add it to review queue | 16:36 |
| bknudson | what's wrong with the current timestamps? | 16:36 |
| stpierre | tyvm | 16:36 |
| dims | lxsli : LOL, poor guy, does so much and you are accusing him :) | 16:37 |
| johnsom | Nothing here | 16:37 |
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| lxsli | dims: haha not sharpening my daggers just yet :) | 16:37 |
| dims | thanks everyone | 16:37 |
| dims | special bye from Kharkiv, talk to you all from Boston next week | 16:38 |
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| dims | #endmeeting | 16:38 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Dec 14 16:38:42 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:38 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2015/oslo.2015-12-14-15.59.html | 16:38 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2015/oslo.2015-12-14-15.59.txt | 16:38 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2015/oslo.2015-12-14-15.59.log.html | 16:38 |
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| catherineD | #startmeeting refstack | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 14 19:00:06 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is catherineD. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'refstack' | 19:00 |
| catherineD | #link meeting agenda and notes, please feel free to add items https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-15-12-14 | 19:00 |
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| pvaneck | o/ | 19:01 |
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| catherineD | pvaneck_: Hi ... | 19:02 |
| alevine | o/ | 19:02 |
| catherineD | alevine: Hi .. I need to apologize that my internet maybe slow today ... I am not in the office | 19:03 |
| catherineD | alevine: Thanks for all the activities from your team .. together we can make a different in RefStack | 19:05 |
| pvaneck_ | Do you have an agenda link | 19:05 |
| catherineD | #link meeting agenda and notes, please feel free to add items https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-15-12-14 | 19:05 |
| catherineD | Let's start | 19:06 |
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| catherineD | #topic Confirm on data model ( https://goo.gl/zWYnoq) agreement and proceed to implementation | 19:07 |
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| sslypushenko___ | o/ | 19:09 |
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| catherineD | I just see Mark submitted a patch today https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226902/ | 19:09 |
| pvaneck_ | No real objections here to the data model | 19:10 |
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| catherineD | sslypushenko___: we are at topic 1 on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-15-12-14https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-15-12-14 | 19:11 |
| rockyg | o/ | 19:11 |
| catherineD | rockyg: Hi agenda https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-15-12-14 | 19:11 |
| sslypushenko___ | catherineD Thx! | 19:11 |
| rockyg | THx! | 19:12 |
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| sslypushenko___ | Suggested data model works for me | 19:12 |
| catherineD | we also need to make sure that the model works for alevine: ... so I suggest that we do not make decision today .... so that we can review Mark's patch .. | 19:13 |
| sslypushenko___ | I think we can discuss details during implementation | 19:13 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko___: +1 | 19:13 |
| alevine | catherineD: I sent my comments by email earlier today. Have you got it? | 19:13 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko___: maybe I just sumit a spec and then we can make further comments... | 19:13 |
| sslypushenko___ | catherineD yeap, that will work | 19:14 |
| catherineD | alevine: Yes ... Just see it thx a lot! I want to review and make sure that the model works for you ... | 19:14 |
| alevine | catherineD: In short I don't see why do we need roles. And I don't see why do we still need meta. | 19:14 |
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| catherineD | alevine: 's question is why do we store openid in meta rather than in the test table ? Let us know if I do not phase your question correctly | 19:15 |
| alevine | catherineD: And we'd need to add schemas table with properties: id, owner_id, version, name, json. Something like it. | 19:15 |
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| sslypushenko___ | catherineD, Can you please forward alevine's mail to me? | 19:16 |
| catherineD | the reason we put user_id in meta because sometime we have anonymous data upload ... in this case we do not have user ID | 19:16 |
| alevine | catherineD: Yes, I don't see why. user_id used to run the test is one of the important properties for the test. I understand, historically you didn't want to put public_key there but now it's possible to store user_id along with cpid. | 19:16 |
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| alevine | catherineD: You can make it optional then. | 19:17 |
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| sslypushenko___ | alevine We are trying to keep as much data as it possible in metadata | 19:18 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko___: good idea ... I just forwarded alevine: 's email ... | 19:18 |
| alevine | catherineD: It doesn't stop us at all. It's just it seems more straight and readable to me as a data model. This is a primary property, not to be buried in some meta-data key-value, I'd say. | 19:18 |
| sslypushenko___ | catherineD Got it, thx | 19:19 |
| catherineD | alevine: another reason is originallywhen the data was uploaded it was owned by the user...but once the data is associated to a product as described in slide 4 ... it will be onwed by the product_group ... user no longer valide | 19:19 |
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| alevine | catherineD: As I understand the new model now from you doc - the user should be authorized to upload data for some particular vendor's product. In which case, this user should be in vendor's or product's group - not just some guest. No? | 19:21 |
| catherineD | in this case the user_id field will mostly empty for the 2 case 1) anonymous upload 2) ownership change | 19:21 |
| catherineD | alevine: as designe any one can upload data ... no pre-requirement that the user belong to a any vendor or product ... | 19:22 |
| alevine | catherineD: I don't understand the idea of ownership change in view of groups, products and vendors. Could you please explain? | 19:22 |
| alevine | catherineD: How do you guarantee then that it's a valid upload which results can be used for certification? | 19:22 |
| catherineD | so if user John upload data .. at firest he owns it | 19:22 |
| alevine | catherineD: Only because this user has public key? | 19:22 |
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| catherineD | alevine: yes | 19:23 |
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| catherineD | so say there is product foo | 19:23 |
| alevine | catherineD: In which case I actually do not care about the uploading user. I care about the ownership. Meaning that public key was also generated for some identity, right? I'd say we should use that one in the user_id field. | 19:24 |
| catherineD | and foo has a group_foo which john is a user in the group wirh role admin | 19:24 |
| catherineD | he then can change the owner of the data to foo_group ... | 19:24 |
| catherineD | group will allow more than one users | 19:25 |
| alevine | catherineD: Or if we do not care about the owner at all, then why would we need to store user_id at all? Even in meta? Isn't cpid (product_id) enough? | 19:25 |
| catherineD | incase user quit comapany or absent | 19:25 |
| catherineD | we store the user_id so he can associate data to a product | 19:25 |
| alevine | catherineD: What is cpid than? Isn't it the cloud_id=product_id? | 19:26 |
| alevine | "then" | 19:26 |
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| sslypushenko___ | alevine Not exactly | 19:27 |
| Guest75565 | once a data is associated to a product all user belongs to that product_group would admin role can manage the data | 19:27 |
| alevine | sslypushenko: What's the difference? | 19:28 |
| sslypushenko___ | It is unique id for some cloud | 19:28 |
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| sslypushenko___ | We can not be sure that in the wild cpid will acts like an product_id | 19:29 |
| alevine | sslypushenko: If it's just a subproduct why do we need to store it in our test table? We need to convert it into product_id and store the very one. | 19:29 |
| sslypushenko___ | The most value from cpid it is UX | 19:29 |
| alevine | sslypushenko: If we can't convert it to product_id then we have absolutely no idea what was tested. What's the point of such results? | 19:29 |
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| sslypushenko___ | cpid contains some info about product, but it is not 1-to-1 relation | 19:30 |
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| Guest75565 | sslypushenko__: +1 | 19:31 |
| sslypushenko___ | We should trust users, because we don't have a choice, so we any can assume that user will provide product_id correctly | 19:32 |
| Guest75565 | I really want to discuss the next subject which is about CPID | 19:32 |
| alevine | sslypushenko: :) I still don't quite understand. I understand the use-case - someone tested some cloud and uploads results. We need to figure out what cloud was that, right? In our new terms it's called product_id. If cpid contains some more info we can store it too, but product_id is the primary info out of it, no? | 19:32 |
| sslypushenko___ | We means refstack-team? | 19:32 |
| Guest75565 | can I suggest that I take the first pass to response to Alex's note ... we can then discuss from there? | 19:32 |
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| alevine | sslypushenko: Of course. | 19:33 |
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| sslypushenko___ | product_id is the primary info out of it - you absolutely right! | 19:33 |
| Guest75565 | catherin is Guest75565 :-) | 19:33 |
| sslypushenko___ | but it is quite tricky to make it works | 19:33 |
| alevine | catherineD: sure. Don't mind me. Just go ahead. | 19:33 |
| sslypushenko___ | Refstack try to keep things simple | 19:34 |
| sslypushenko___ | so we just stick to cpid for a while | 19:34 |
| Guest75565 | I think it is relevant could we go to the next topic to discuss CPID? | 19:34 |
| alevine | sslypushenko: Yes, but we're discussing the data model. It should be transparent. Especially the relation between test and it's source. Isn't it? | 19:34 |
| alevine | catherineD: yes :) | 19:35 |
| sslypushenko___ | Yeap) | 19:35 |
| Guest75565 | #topic Use cloud access URL to generate CPID. | 19:35 |
| Guest75565 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/255607/ | 19:35 |
| sslypushenko___ | I'm +1 for using access URL only as a failover | 19:36 |
| Guest75565 | the discussion is about should we keep using keystone ID for CPID... | 19:36 |
| Guest75565 | one of the big thing coming up is in | 19:37 |
| Guest75565 | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/refstack/+bug/1500280 | 19:37 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1500280 in refstack "RefStack client should use session based keystone auth for CPID" [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to Daryl Walleck (dwalleck) | 19:37 |
| Guest75565 | if we keep using CPID we need to upgrade as describe in the bug ... | 19:37 |
| rockyg | thanks Guest75565 for identifying yourself! | 19:38 |
| alevine | Guest75565: Where is possible to read about the meaning of CPID and it's purpose? Is it just a technical varchar ID which is used to identify the cloud tests were run on or something else as well? | 19:38 |
| Guest75565 | why take the resource to develop something that if it does not work will go to using URL | 19:38 |
| sslypushenko___ | We spent a lot of affords on make current code working | 19:38 |
| pvaneck_ | I think one of the use cases of cpid was to be able match the test runs of the same cloud together | 19:39 |
| Guest75565 | rockyg: sorry catherine switch to web interface so still have the other client log in | 19:39 |
| alevine | pvaneck_: That's the obvious one. Anything else? | 19:39 |
| sslypushenko___ | pvaneck_ It will not work | 19:39 |
| Guest75565 | sslypushenko___: I know ... I know ... and it will demand more time to upgrade ... | 19:40 |
| sslypushenko___ | Every cloud have a bunch of endpoints | 19:40 |
| sslypushenko___ | at least one per region | 19:40 |
| Guest75565 | alevine: read about CPID in https://github.com/openstack/refstack/blob/master/specs/prior/implemented/refstack-org-api-cloud-uuid.rst | 19:41 |
| Guest75565 | #link orginal spec for CPID https://github.com/openstack/refstack/blob/master/specs/prior/implemented/refstack-org-api-cloud-uuid.rst | 19:42 |
| alevine | Guest75565: Thank you | 19:42 |
| Guest75565 | #link current suggested spec for CPID https://review.openstack.org/#/c/255607/ | 19:42 |
| sslypushenko___ | from POV new CPID mechanism is not significantly better then previous one | 19:43 |
| Guest75565 | really I just do not see the value of using Keystone ID now that we learn more about Keystone | 19:43 |
| sslypushenko___ | except that it will work even for public clouds | 19:43 |
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| alevine | Now that we introduce vendors and products and stuff, does it still make sense to have such a strange id? Wouldn't we want to record some info (mac-address, url, ...) during product registration and use it afterwards? | 19:44 |
| Guest75565 | sslypushenko__: +1 both are not perfect .. but one is with less effort | 19:44 |
| sslypushenko___ | May we should keep it both? | 19:44 |
| Guest75565 | alenvine: for the case of anonymous data upload yes ... we need something | 19:44 |
| alevine | Guest75565: I mean that in that old spec, it's stated that cpid is needed to 'somehow' group results together. It sounds really weird for certification cases now, doesn't it? Sorry if I'm mistaken. | 19:45 |
| Guest75565 | if we keep both .... do we need to upgrade to catch up with Keystone? | 19:45 |
| Guest75565 | I am OK to keep both if we do not spend any effort .. | 19:45 |
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| Guest75565 | on development to keep up with Keystone | 19:45 |
| alevine | Guest75565: I don't quite understand what is anonymous data upload now. What is the purpose of it? | 19:45 |
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| alevine | Guest75565: I mean how would we even show it? As some results for some cloud? What's the point? | 19:46 |
| sslypushenko___ | alevine People want just to try what RefStack is | 19:47 |
| Guest75565 | to encourage people to upload data or test (once we offer centralize testing ) ... this is for any user of the cloud not necessary the vendor or product onwer | 19:47 |
| Guest75565 | most of the community data in RefStack today is uploaded anonymously ... we do that ti encourage larger user base to use RefStack with minimum intimidation | 19:49 |
| alevine | ssplypushenko___: Ok. Let's suppose I'm such a user. How would I see my results afterwards? I should be a registered user in RefStack to be able to somehow see those results. I understand that it's possible to find me by my public-key used, no? Then you'd want to allow results without registered cloud, right? | 19:49 |
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| Guest75565 | so I guess the agreement is to keep current CPID creation but add URL generation option with no Keystone update? | 19:50 |
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| sslypushenko___ | alevine During uploading you will get a link on your results | 19:50 |
| Guest75565 | time check ... 10 mins left ... I really need to get to the next topic ... wihich is do we need to have meeting for the next 2 weeks? | 19:51 |
| alevine | sslypushenko: Oh, ok. | 19:51 |
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| sslypushenko___ | So you can review uploaded results and get some UX experience from RefStack | 19:51 |
| alevine | Guest75565: We're quite fine with what we have. I guess the rest can be discussed in email. | 19:52 |
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| Guest75565 | sorry everyone ... | 19:52 |
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| sslypushenko___ | catherineD May be we will establish meeting with alevin, if there are some questions for disscuss | 19:52 |
| Guest75565 | do we need to meet on 12/21/2015? | 19:52 |
| Guest75565 | I will be here ... just want to see everyone else's schedule ? | 19:53 |
| sslypushenko___ | 12/21 will work for me | 19:53 |
| Guest75565 | sslypushenko__: +1 to have additional meeting with SAlex | 19:53 |
| alevine | Guest75565: Whatever you decide, I'm fine. | 19:54 |
| Guest75565 | I will schedule ... | 19:54 |
| pvaneck_ | Will be on vacation, but can join | 19:54 |
| Guest75565 | #agreed we will have meeting on 12/21/2015 | 19:54 |
| Guest75565 | how about 12/28? | 19:54 |
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| sslypushenko___ | will work for me too | 19:54 |
| Guest75565 | #agreed Caterine will call addtiional meeting with RefStack cores and Alex for futher discussion | 19:55 |
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| alevine | all: One last thing. I might be wrong, but it seems to me that we're changing the RefStack quite a bit so maybe it's time to rethink old use-cases like having UX experience from RefStack or just playing with it. They won't nicely fit into new world as they are, I'm afraid. | 19:55 |
| Guest75565 | I will be on vacation on 12/28 .. | 19:55 |
| Guest75565 | but can join the meeting too ... | 19:55 |
| Guest75565 | looks like we will have meeting on 12/28 too :-) | 19:56 |
| sslypushenko___ | Let decide it on next meeting) | 19:56 |
| Guest75565 | +1 good idea | 19:56 |
| Guest75565 | 4 mins left .. | 19:56 |
| Guest75565 | I will schedule additional meeting before net Monday | 19:56 |
| sslypushenko___ | But it really looks that some F2F meeting can help us to get understanding | 19:57 |
| pvaneck_ | +1 on reevaluating Ux | 19:57 |
| Guest75565 | how about web meeting and phone like we did last time .. | 19:57 |
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| sslypushenko___ | +1 | 19:57 |
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| alevine | sslypushenko__: If as I presume you're in the same city as we are, we can meet here and you can convey all the sacred knowledge to us much easier :) | 19:58 |
| Guest75565 | I will schedule .... hope your skype did not charge you last time .. | 19:58 |
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| sslypushenko___ | alevine I'm in Ukraine) | 19:58 |
| Guest75565 | wow that works ... I should ask to have a mid-cycle in Moscow? :-) | 19:58 |
| alevine | sslypushenko___: Ouch. My mistake :) | 19:58 |
| Guest75565 | oh ... | 19:59 |
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| Guest75565 | ok I will schedule a conf call and then we will go from there ... | 19:59 |
| sslypushenko___ | Keiv would be better) | 19:59 |
| rockyg | Would love to visit Kiev | 19:59 |
| Guest75565 | RefStack is a truly global team | 19:59 |
| sslypushenko___ | Your are welcome) | 19:59 |
| Guest75565 | I need to end the meeting | 19:59 |
| Guest75565 | thx you all ... | 19:59 |
| alevine | sslypushenko___: I'd love too. Was there several times. But you know, it might be problematic :) | 19:59 |
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| sslypushenko___ | Thx 2 all! | 20:00 |
| rockyg | Grandmother is from Simferopol | 20:00 |
| rockyg | Thanks! | 20:00 |
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| Guest75565 | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Dec 14 20:00:30 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2015/refstack.2015-12-14-19.00.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2015/refstack.2015-12-14-19.00.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2015/refstack.2015-12-14-19.00.log.html | 20:00 |
| redrobot | #startmeeting barbican | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 14 20:00:51 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is redrobot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:00 |
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| redrobot | #topic Roll Call | 20:01 |
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| silos | \o/ | 20:01 |
| rellerreller | o/ | 20:01 |
| jmckind | o/ | 20:01 |
| jhfeng | o/ | 20:01 |
| redrobot | As usual the meeting agenda can be found here: | 20:01 |
| woodster_ | o/ | 20:01 |
| redrobot | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican | 20:01 |
| NazcaLines | o/ | 20:01 |
| diazjf | o/ | 20:01 |
| maxabidi | o/ | 20:01 |
| arunkant | o/ | 20:01 |
| elmiko | o/ | 20:01 |
| alee | o/ | 20:01 |
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| kfarr | o/ | 20:02 |
| redrobot | maxabidi I don't recognize your nick... mind introducing yourself? | 20:02 |
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| redrobot | a couple of new Barbicaneers... how exciting! :D | 20:02 |
| * redrobot feels a little out of the loop still... | 20:02 | |
| maxabidi | Hello, I am a new member at HPE | 20:03 |
| woodster_ | redrobot: still in that honeymoon period? | 20:03 |
| redrobot | woodster_ hehe, something like that :) | 20:03 |
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| arunkant | redrobot: maxabidi is new barbicaneer from hpe | 20:03 |
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| redrobot | arunkant awesome | 20:03 |
| redrobot | welcome maxabidi | 20:03 |
| redrobot | I don't recognize NazcaLines either... | 20:03 |
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| jaosorior | o/ | 20:04 |
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| NazcaLines | I'm a newcomer :) | 20:04 |
| redrobot | welcome NazcaLines ! | 20:04 |
| NazcaLines | thanks | 20:04 |
| redrobot | #topic Action Items from last meeting | 20:04 |
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| redrobot | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2015/barbican.2015-12-07-20.00.html | 20:04 |
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| redrobot | alee had an action to advertise his blog post | 20:05 |
| redrobot | which he did here | 20:05 |
| redrobot | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-December/081749.html | 20:05 |
| alee | yup | 20:05 |
| redrobot | alee good write up! | 20:05 |
| alee | looks like I have at one person trying my write up | 20:05 |
| alee | at least .. | 20:05 |
| dave-mccowan | o/ | 20:06 |
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| stevemar | diazjf: thanks for the heads up | 20:06 |
| jhfeng | alee: very useful, thanks | 20:06 |
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| diazjf | stevemar, no worries | 20:06 |
| alee | jhfeng, cool - let me know if anything is wrong/ doesn't work .. | 20:06 |
| redrobot | diazjf did you get a chance to update the Barbican Context BP? | 20:06 |
| diazjf | redrobot, sure did | 20:07 |
| redrobot | diazjf link? | 20:07 |
| diazjf | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241068/ | 20:07 |
| redrobot | diazjf thanks! | 20:07 |
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| redrobot | and lastly, I was supposed to clean up the mitaka-1 Launchpad page... which I started doing today | 20:07 |
| hockeynut | o/ | 20:07 |
| redrobot | but I'm not quite done yet | 20:07 |
| redrobot | so I'll bump that to next week | 20:08 |
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| redrobot | #action redrobot to finish cleaning up Launchpad mitaka-1 page | 20:08 |
| redrobot | That's it for last week's action items | 20:08 |
| redrobot | on to this week's agenda | 20:08 |
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| redrobot | #topic Barbican SAML Authentication | 20:09 |
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| redrobot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241068/ | 20:09 |
| redrobot | diazjf you want to talk about this? | 20:09 |
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| stevemar | diazjf: i'm interested in hearing about it :O | 20:09 |
| diazjf | Awesome, great to have everyone here. | 20:10 |
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| diazjf | So as a refresher the reason why this was needed is because there needed to be a way for Swift to use Barbican without Keystone. | 20:11 |
| diazjf | The reason being is because most swift deployments come with another authentication system. | 20:11 |
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| stevemar | so, barbican - right now, can be run without keystone? and it's usable? | 20:11 |
| * notmyname isn't really here, but wants to respond to that | 20:12 | |
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| redrobot | stevemar the Barbican auth requirement is that X-Project-Id and X-Roles must be present in the request... we don't really care how they get there, but the obvious way to get them there is to use keystonemiddleware | 20:12 |
| notmyname | I don't want castellan to be tied to keystone. if the backend requires keystone, that's ok. if the backend doesn't (eg another I write myself) I don't | 20:12 |
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| jaosorior | stevemar: Yeah, in order to do that we use another context middleware that we ship with the barbican server code | 20:13 |
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| notmyname | I want castellan to pass on whatever creds are given and the backend interprets it | 20:13 |
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| elmiko | notmyname: +1 | 20:13 |
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| redrobot | notmyname ack | 20:13 |
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| jaosorior | stevemar: Basically it requires the client to set the headers redrobot mentioned | 20:13 |
| redrobot | notmyname I think that was the general agreement last time we talked about it... | 20:13 |
| redrobot | notmyname last time I was here anyway... | 20:13 |
| notmyname | I mean, I think it would be swell to use barbican without keystone, but I think that's unreasonable to ask for ;-) | 20:14 |
| elmiko | redrobot, yea, i think that is consistent with the last discussion i was involved with | 20:14 |
| notmyname | (here's my ignorance of castellan) I want basically some parameter I pass in to go on to the backend. without caring what the type is | 20:14 |
| redrobot | not sure how we arrived at a SAML middleware though | 20:14 |
| notmyname | eg if barbican needs an oslo.context that works with keystone, ok | 20:14 |
| notmyname | if my own needs an hmac and whatever, then I'll pass a dictionary. | 20:15 |
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| stevemar | whats the relationship between castellan and barbican? castellan depends on barbican? | 20:15 |
| elmiko | iirc, castellan is just blindly passing the context object on to the barbicanclient | 20:15 |
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| elmiko | stevemar: castellan is a keymanager abstraction layer library | 20:15 |
| kfarr | stevemar castellan is sort of a wrapper for barbican | 20:15 |
| kfarr | or any other key manager back end | 20:16 |
| redrobot | stevemar no, castellan is an interface. there is a castellan implementation that uses python-barbicanclient | 20:16 |
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| notmyname | hmm...ok | 20:16 |
| redrobot | stevemar idea is that you integrate your project with Castellan, then you pick a castellan implementation at deploy time | 20:16 |
| rellerreller | castellan is designed to be a generic key manager interface that can support any key manager implementation | 20:16 |
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| stevemar | gotcha, generic, can be used with barbican or something else | 20:17 |
| rellerreller | the goal is to provide a common interface that easily allows different key management solutions to be used in a plug and play manner | 20:17 |
| notmyname | so is castellan the interface or an implementation? | 20:17 |
| rellerreller | The context object is designed to be a generic blob. The backend is responsible for interpreting the data. | 20:17 |
| notmyname | ie API contract or something I actually import | 20:17 |
| redrobot | notmyname the castellan lib includes both the interface and implementations | 20:17 |
| rellerreller | Castellan is the name of the library that provides a KeyManager interface | 20:17 |
| rellerreller | It also provides a Barbican implementation as redrobot pointed out. | 20:18 |
| rellerreller | The plan is to include a KMIP implementation in the future | 20:18 |
| redrobot | rellerreller the problem with the "blobl" definintion is that it defeats the purpose of having a pluggable backend. | 20:18 |
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| redrobot | in any case, we're way off topic from SAML Auth | 20:18 |
| redrobot | diazjf did you want to talk about SAML ? | 20:18 |
| rellerreller | redrobot yes, I know. We have discussed this in the past. My definition is different than users. | 20:18 |
| rellerreller | There will be a common credentials class like KMIP defines and subclasses that implement different types. | 20:19 |
| redrobot | rellerreller awesome! | 20:19 |
| rellerreller | An example woudl be a UsernamePasswordCredential object that contains username and password | 20:19 |
| stevemar | redrobot: i imagine SAML is what diazjf is proposing to chat between swift and castellan | 20:19 |
| rellerreller | Another example is KeystoneCredential where you pass it a keystone context. | 20:19 |
| diazjf | redrobot, I was thinking it would be necessary for swift not using keystone. | 20:20 |
| rellerreller | Yes, I could easily see another Credential for SAML | 20:20 |
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| redrobot | diazjf do we expect most Swift deployments to be using SAML for auth? | 20:20 |
| diazjf | notmyname, I thought originally this is what was needed in order for Castellan to be accepted in Swift's keymaster | 20:20 |
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| diazjf | redrobot, I had a meeting a while back with alee, kfarr, and elmiko, the SAML assertion will be generated by Barbican Client | 20:21 |
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| diazjf | So it will be values in the conf or environment the client can use to build an assertion | 20:22 |
| diazjf | and gain access to Barbican | 20:22 |
| notmyname | diazjf: I think the conversation wandered away from the actual use cases, and we somehow got to SAML (and that's not a critique. it just happend) | 20:22 |
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| diazjf | notmyname, redrobot, I'm ok with keeping Keystone. Just want to know whats required to get Castellan into the Swift Keymanager | 20:23 |
| redrobot | I'm not super familiar with SAML, but as I understand it, the assertion is created by someone with authority... like a directory service, for example... not sure what authority barbicanclient has to generate saml assertions? | 20:24 |
| alee | notmyname, Its not so much that it veered away from actual use-cases as we started thinking about what would actually be passed through and accepted by barbican. | 20:24 |
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| panatl | yes, Barbican client generating SAML Assertion .. something is worng | 20:24 |
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| notmyname | alee: that's fair | 20:24 |
| alee | at the time, we started thinking about what would need to implemented on the barbican side. seems like if we need to implment some kind of auth protocol in the middleware on the barbican sider, then we should do something standard | 20:25 |
| alee | and saml is pretty standard | 20:25 |
| notmyname | diazjf: from the swift perspective, to use castellan, we need to not have any extra requirements beyond what the backend key manager requires. that will allow us to use barbican or something else in testing and prod | 20:25 |
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| notmyname | jrichli: does that sound right? | 20:26 |
| alee | better yet -- if we implement saml support, then we put barbican behind/ as an apache module, and have apache modules do what we need to do | 20:26 |
| jrichli | notmyname: agreed | 20:26 |
| redrobot | notmyname iirc, for the first pass at a castellan implementation, it would be limited to a single credential to the keystore. Basically Swift will own all keys, yes? | 20:26 |
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| notmyname | redrobot: that is correct. swift owns the keys (except perhaps the root key). and it's swift the service (as opposed to end users) who has the creds to get that root key | 20:27 |
| notmyname | redrobot: or rather, swift has creds to get that root key | 20:27 |
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| alee | redrobot, yes - as a first implementation - that might be ok. we were thinking beyond that -- can we avoid having an all powerful swift service user that has access to all the keys? | 20:28 |
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| notmyname | alee: that's up to swift, right? | 20:29 |
| alee | true | 20:29 |
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| notmyname | alee: and at that point, it will probably require that the end user identity management is the same used by the key manager | 20:29 |
| notmyname | unless you're proposing some bridge there. and that sounds *really* complicated | 20:29 |
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| redrobot | yeah, SAML sounds like overkill for a middleware that just needs to verify a single password | 20:30 |
| redrobot | for an MVP I think we would need something like a Pre-Shared Key middleware | 20:30 |
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| rellerreller | redrobot MVP? | 20:31 |
| alee | redrobot, for a single password, thats absolutely true. | 20:31 |
| redrobot | rellerreller minimum viable product | 20:31 |
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| notmyname | so I think it sounds like you (barbican peoples) understand the swift needs. are there other questions about that, as it applies to the auth betweent he two? | 20:32 |
| notmyname | jrichli: are we missing covering anything? | 20:32 |
| jrichli | notmyname: sounds like there is an understanding. | 20:33 |
| notmyname | diazjf: alee: redrobot: good from your end? | 20:33 |
| redrobot | notmyname I'm good... may need to sync up with diazjf regarding the SAML blueprint though | 20:34 |
| notmyname | redrobot: you may need to or I may need to? | 20:34 |
| diazjf | redrobot, sure I'd like to have a talk about what the best step to take forward would be. | 20:34 |
| redrobot | notmyname I'll syinc up with him | 20:34 |
| notmyname | ok :-) | 20:34 |
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| alee | notmyname, jrichli - do you guys have any preference in terms of creds ? user/password, or shared key? | 20:34 |
| diazjf | notmyname, thanks for attending, I appreciate it | 20:35 |
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| diazjf | alee, I think user/pass would be fine | 20:35 |
| notmyname | alee: I think that's up to whatever the key manager backend is. why does that actually matter? | 20:35 |
| notmyname | alee: ok ok, yeah there are leaky abstractions there | 20:35 |
| diazjf | but I have no preference | 20:35 |
| alee | notmyname, so here is my understanding on what is needed .. | 20:36 |
| redrobot | notmyname I think alee is asking about the barbican-sans-keystone preference | 20:36 |
| notmyname | alee: can I write a key manager backend that uses hmac with a shared secret? | 20:36 |
| alee | right | 20:36 |
| alee | so if we dont have keystone, we need some way for swift to auth to barbican | 20:37 |
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| alee | and we would have castellan pass through those credentials | 20:37 |
| elmiko | alee: wouldn't those just be encapsulated in the context object? | 20:37 |
| notmyname | as a first pass, I'm ok with barbican requiring keystone | 20:37 |
| notmyname | it might be that pushes me to reimplement something else (unfortunately), but I don't know at this point | 20:38 |
| alee | and they would be interpreted by some auth middleware that would convert those params into keystone like options .. | 20:38 |
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| elmiko | i thought the deepest abstraction for castellan was the context object, and anything in that object would just get passed on to the consumer for them to do with as they please. | 20:39 |
| diazjf | elmiko, correct as long as there's a auth-middleware in Barbican that knows what the context is | 20:39 |
| notmyname | just as long as I can make FakeKeyManager for castellan in my tests and my own AwesomeKeyManager for castellan in my own deployment | 20:39 |
| elmiko | and i'm not saying oslo.context, just some object known as context in cast. | 20:39 |
| notmyname | elmiko: oh good :-) | 20:39 |
| rellerreller | alee: I thought swift would authenticate with some service and the result of that (SAML assertion) would be passed to Barbican? | 20:39 |
| elmiko | notmyname: we implement a custom key manager in sahara, you could do that | 20:40 |
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| notmyname | elmiko: and the context parameter could be a disctionary. or string. or oslo.context. | 20:40 |
| rellerreller | The SAML assertion would live in a SamlCredential object | 20:40 |
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| elmiko | notmyname: right, whatever you need. it's just an object to castellan that gets forwarded to the key manager impls | 20:40 |
| rellerreller | notmyname kfarr, don't we have a basic key manager for testing that always returns the same key? | 20:41 |
| notmyname | rellerreller: please let it be 42 | 20:41 |
| jrichli | :-) | 20:41 |
| kfarr | rellerreller, no, that's a fixed key manager. That was in the original implementations in cinder and nova, but not in Castellan | 20:41 |
| elmiko | hmm, i know there is NotImplementedKeyManager, was there also FakeKeyManager? | 20:41 |
| rellerreller | notmyname 42? | 20:41 |
| alee | rellerreller, yes - but of course thats overkill for a single user/password | 20:41 |
| elmiko | notmyname: it would have to ;) | 20:41 |
| redrobot | I think we've beaten this to death here... | 20:42 |
| alee | rellerreller, the answer to life , the universe and everything .. | 20:42 |
| kfarr | there was one in the test directories that has an in-memory database for storing keys | 20:42 |
| notmyname | rellerreller: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/42_(number)#The_Hitchhiker.27s_Guide_to_the_Galaxy | 20:42 |
| redrobot | we can iron out the details over a BP | 20:42 |
| elmiko | redrobot: +1 | 20:42 |
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| diazjf | redrobot +1 | 20:42 |
| redrobot | ok, thanks notmyname and jrichli for stoping by! | 20:42 |
| jrichli | yw | 20:42 |
| notmyname | you're welcome | 20:43 |
| diazjf | thanks everyone :) | 20:43 |
| redrobot | moving on... | 20:43 |
| redrobot | #topic Add PUT support for Generic Containers | 20:43 |
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| redrobot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/207249/ | 20:43 |
| diazjf | redrobot, we can talk more about this sometime this week | 20:43 |
| NazcaLines | i add it. | 20:43 |
| redrobot | diazjf for sure! | 20:43 |
| redrobot | NazcaLines go ahead | 20:43 |
| NazcaLines | BP:https://blueprints.launchpad.net/barbican/+spec/api-containers-add-put | 20:43 |
| NazcaLines | Commit: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/207249/ | 20:44 |
| NazcaLines | I'm working on it now. | 20:44 |
| NazcaLines | The question is that: | 20:44 |
| NazcaLines | i plan to support add new secret ref and delete existing secret ref in a container. | 20:44 |
| NazcaLines | but it's different with 'replace-all-refs' committed by @Kevin Bishop at first. | 20:45 |
| * redrobot senses a PUT vs PATCH debate brewing... | 20:45 | |
| NazcaLines | what do you think? Is it worth supporting "add"&"delete"? Maybe "replace-all-refs" is better? | 20:45 |
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| elmiko | redrobot: lol | 20:45 |
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| redrobot | I _think_ it comes down to PUT vs PATCH semantics | 20:46 |
| redrobot | iirc we decided to do a replace-all for PUT and then punted on PATCH because JSONPATCH looked unfriendly | 20:46 |
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| dave-mccowan | i was pretty happy with chelsea's last commit (patch set 8). it just needed some clean up. i think "replace all" with PUT is a clean, simple, and sufficient solution. | 20:47 |
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| redrobot | dave-mccowan do you have the link? | 20:47 |
| elmiko | redrobot: that sounds about right, although doing partial updates through PATCH is within the boundaries of reasonable | 20:47 |
| elmiko | the key is to choose one way, partial updates or jsonpatch, and stick with it. | 20:47 |
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| redrobot | elmiko +1 | 20:48 |
| redrobot | NazcaLines does that make sense? | 20:48 |
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| dave-mccowan | same link that NazcaLines posted above | 20:48 |
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| redrobot | dave-mccowan ack, thanks | 20:50 |
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| NazcaLines | imagine that if we have many secrets in a container and we want to replace some of them. In 'replace-all-refs' mode, we should write all secret_refs into the json request data. | 20:50 |
| woodster_ | I recall the API team suggesting turning PATCH things into simpler semantics if possible...so DELETE /containers/<container UUID>/secrets/<secrets UUID> to remove one secret (for example) | 20:50 |
| redrobot | seems like this would be best to sort out in a spec? | 20:50 |
| silos | We could also mirror ACL's and provide both PUT and PATCH? PUT is used to replace the existing ACLS while PATCH is used to update it. At least that's what the documentation shows. | 20:51 |
| elmiko | woodster_: i've seen it discussed both ways for PATCH, the best guidance was pick whichever works for your project and be consistent. | 20:51 |
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| dave-mccowan | NazcaLines I applaud your ambition to do a more robust solution with PATCH and add/deletes, but I don't think it's necessary. (if we did, then we'd want a spec as it would be an API change.) With PUT only, it is the same API as a 2-part create, so I don't think a spec would be needed. | 20:51 |
| redrobot | silos +1 for API consistency | 20:51 |
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| elmiko | silos: that works too | 20:52 |
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| elmiko | dave-mccowan, NazcaLines, if you want a robust add/delete/update methodology, then just use the jsonpatch stuff through the PATCH method | 20:53 |
| elmiko | #link https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6902.html | 20:53 |
| elmiko | for reference | 20:53 |
| elmiko | it's probably more heavyweight than needed though, at a guess | 20:54 |
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| woodster_ | elmiko: yeah that is why I favor the non-PATCH approaches | 20:54 |
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| elmiko | i kinda do too, much simpler to implement/maintain | 20:55 |
| alee | woodster_, +1, PATCH is hard to get right. | 20:55 |
| woodster_ | alee: agreed | 20:55 |
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| elmiko | i agree with redrobot thought, we should argue it out on a spec =) | 20:55 |
| redrobot | ok, so regarding NazcaLines 's question... I think we should review what ACLs is doing with PATCh/PUT and then write a Spec for the change | 20:56 |
| redrobot | NazcaLines would that work for you? | 20:56 |
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| redrobot | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/barbican-specs/tree/README.rst | 20:56 |
| dave-mccowan | i think we're unanimous on use PUT for replace only. are there any dissenters? | 20:57 |
| NazcaLines | Yes. i'd like to do it. | 20:57 |
| redrobot | NazcaLines ok, sounds good | 20:58 |
| elmiko | dave-mccowan: if that's the consensus, we should review the metadata spec as it allows for deletion through PUT | 20:58 |
| redrobot | only a couple of minutes left here | 20:58 |
| redrobot | #topic Mitaka Mid-Cycle | 20:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Mitaka Mid-Cycle (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:58 | |
| redrobot | Details about the mid-cycle can be found here: | 20:58 |
| redrobot | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints/BarbicanMitakaSprint | 20:58 |
| redrobot | Also, please start adding topics to the etherpad: | 20:58 |
| redrobot | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-mitaka-midcycle | 20:59 |
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| jhfeng | everyone, please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/253719/. This should be a simple one | 20:59 |
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| redrobot | jhfeng will do. | 20:59 |
| redrobot | thanks everyone for coming! | 20:59 |
| redrobot | #endmeeting | 20:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Dec 14 20:59:56 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2015/barbican.2015-12-14-20.00.html | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2015/barbican.2015-12-14-20.00.txt | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2015/barbican.2015-12-14-20.00.log.html | 21:00 |
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| elmiko | thanks redrobot | 21:00 |
| diazjf | thanks everyone o/ | 21:00 |
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| barrett | #startmeeting Product Working Group | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 14 21:01:55 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is barrett. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Product Working Group)" | 21:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'product_working_group' | 21:02 |
| thingee | o/ | 21:02 |
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| hughhalf | o/ | 21:02 |
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| Shamail | Hi all | 21:02 |
| barrett | Hi - Who's here for the Product WG meeting? | 21:02 |
| MeganR | o/ | 21:02 |
| hughhalf | o/ | 21:02 |
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| sgordon | o/ | 21:03 |
| scohen1 | o/ | 21:03 |
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| kencjohnston | o/ | 21:03 |
| barrett | #link agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team | 21:03 |
| barrett | Link to the agenda | 21:04 |
| barrett | #topic Mid cycle planning | 21:04 |
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| rockyg | o/ | 21:04 |
| pchadwick | o/ | 21:04 |
| barrett | #link: mid cycle planning etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PWG_Mitaka_Midcycle | 21:04 |
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| barrett | In last week's meeting we talked about the UK option and asked folks to touch base with their management on whether it would be possible for folks to travel | 21:05 |
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| Shamail_ | The etherpad shows preference for UK | 21:06 |
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| barrett | were people able to talk to their mgrs? | 21:06 |
| barrett | I've added a section into the planning etherpad for folks to enter their names if they know they can attend | 21:06 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | hello | 21:07 |
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| barrett | It I also added a section for people to add their names if they know they cannot attend | 21:08 |
| * hughhalf regrets he will be unable to travel to the midcycle due to non-work commitments | 21:08 | |
| Shamail | I'll make it. | 21:08 |
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| barrett | too bad Hughhalf | 21:08 |
| rockyg | Hey, Arkady_Kanevsky | 21:09 |
| hughhalf | Aye, just a couple of (admittedly otherwise pleasant) things on that time of year | 21:09 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | here mam | 21:09 |
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| barrett | Ideally we can determine if we will haev a quorum if we hold this in the UK before the holiday break | 21:09 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | Rocky how can I help? | 21:09 |
| barrett | hi Arkady | 21:09 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I am reviewing rollingupgrade now | 21:09 |
| pchadwick | How big is a quorum? | 21:10 |
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| barrett | pchadwick - good question - enough folks to review/prioritize user stories, revise work flow, volunteer to take leadership on user stories | 21:10 |
| barrett | What do folks think is the minimum attendance that would make the midcycle viable? | 21:11 |
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| rockyg | Just being neighborly, Arkady_Kanevsky | 21:12 |
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| kencjohnston | barrett Good question, I'm not sure what our actual team size is. If we used the number of folks involved in the roadmap + contributors to the repo I think we'd be in the 10-12 range. | 21:12 |
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| scohen1 | what about possible date poll? | 21:13 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | thank you Rocky. | 21:13 |
| Shamail | kencjohnston: that number sounds about right, 12-15 active. | 21:13 |
| kencjohnston | But we'd also discussed reaching out to get new members from European companies. | 21:13 |
| barrett | kennycjohnston - That's a good starting place. | 21:13 |
| barrett | kencjohnston: +1 | 21:13 |
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| rockyg | Arkady_Kanevsky, Mikal Still is trying to collect/triage live upgrade bugs issues; you might connect with him on the user stories. | 21:13 |
| pchadwick | Do I count as a European company ;)? | 21:13 |
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| barrett | scohen1: We could do that | 21:13 |
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| kencjohnston | So if we had 7 current members plus five new members I'd consider it a success | 21:14 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | sure Rocky. Do you have his email? | 21:14 |
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| barrett | kencjohnston - agree | 21:14 |
| Shamail | kencjohnston: +1 | 21:15 |
| Leong_ | +1 | 21:15 |
| kencjohnston | Arkady_Kanevsky his handle is mikal he's in #openstack right now | 21:15 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 on number for midcycle | 21:15 |
| kencjohnston | So we are at 7 current right now | 21:16 |
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| barrett | We could send out a doodle and see if the response aligns with the goal. Because some people get their emails bundled, we would need to leave the doodle open for a week. I'm concerned that we'd need to do this in Jan, which is getting a bit close to the event for making plans | 21:17 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | For upgrade iser story that have been merge how do you want me comment on it? Updating Wwbapge is too entrusive. email on product reflector? | 21:17 |
| * hughhalf notes mikal normally has a school run around this time, but will be back in about 60 minutes if you don't catch him now | 21:17 | |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | thanks hughhalf | 21:18 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | doodle wpork last time for midcycle planning. | 21:18 |
| Shamail | barrett: I agree with this approach... It will still let us finalize location before the holidays if we send it out this week. | 21:18 |
| barrett | Shamail - I'll be a pumpkin next week, can you take the action item to do this? | 21:18 |
| Shamail | Sure thing | 21:19 |
| barrett | Thanks | 21:19 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | so what is the proposal for the place fore mid cycle in NA? | 21:19 |
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| kencjohnston | Arkady_Kanevsky NA? | 21:19 |
| Shamail | To clarify.... I will use doodle to vote for locations... The timing will probably align with ops summit in any case, right? | 21:19 |
| Leong_ | North America? | 21:19 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | North America | 21:19 |
| Shamail | Or will we change timing if we don't do UK? | 21:20 |
| barrett | #action Shamail to send out Doodle to close on whether or not we can get sufficent attendance at a mid-cycle held in London 2/17 & 18 | 21:20 |
| barrett | We have more options on timing if we don't meet in UK | 21:20 |
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| kencjohnston | barrett Shamail is it a doodle or a poll? | 21:20 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I thought we want to try to have two. One in UK and one in North America. | 21:20 |
| Leong_ | Also take into considerarion in case EWG was in Uk but Pwg in Us? | 21:20 |
| Shamail | Perfect.. (It will be a poll) | 21:20 |
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| barrett | Leong: +1 | 21:21 |
| MeganR | Leong: +1 | 21:21 |
| Shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: not the plan yet, we can revisit if we get more active members. | 21:21 |
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| Shamail | leong: +1 | 21:21 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | OK | 21:21 |
| barrett | arkady_kanevsky: Ideally we'd have 1. Travel budgets aren't likely able to support 2. | 21:21 |
| * hughhalf nods at barrett | 21:21 | |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 on doodle | 21:22 |
| scohen1 | +2 on doodle | 21:22 |
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| barrett | Ok - I think we have defined the path to closure. Shamail will let us know the results of the poll and we'll go from there. | 21:22 |
| Leong_ | Ok | 21:22 |
| Shamail | +1 | 21:22 |
| barrett | Anything else on this one? | 21:22 |
| barrett | OK | 21:23 |
| barrett | #topic Revisiting CPL Assignments | 21:23 |
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| barrett | Shamail - Can you lead this one? | 21:23 |
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| Shamail | I have a couple of topics related to CPLs that will be a part of this discussion. I'll start with the reassignment topic first. | 21:23 |
| Shamail | barrett: sure thing | 21:23 |
| Shamail | Based on recent changes in responsibilities, we have three vacancies for CPLs (Neutron, Magnum, and Keystone). We need to find new volunteers to act as CPL (cross-project liaison) for these projects? | 21:23 |
| kencjohnston | Shamail can I suggest that we de-prioritize Magnum, since it is not a core service? | 21:24 |
| Shamail | I'd also like to thank Mike Cohen and Sheena Gregson for helping out with these projects. They will still be involved with PWG but can not keep the CPL roles. | 21:24 |
| Shamail | kencjohnston: +1, agreed | 21:24 |
| sgordon | i would actually be willing to look into taking magnum | 21:25 |
| Shamail | Others? | 21:25 |
| kencjohnston | I'm happy to serve as a spot CPL for Magnum if need be | 21:25 |
| sgordon | aligns with other work i have on my plate | 21:25 |
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| Shamail | Thanks sgordon and kencjohnston ... Any preference between you two? | 21:25 |
| kencjohnston | sure thing sgordon, I work closely with Adrian Otto and can do an intro if need be | 21:25 |
| sgordon | sure | 21:25 |
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| Shamail | Perfect. Thanks kencjohnston and sgordon | 21:26 |
| Shamail | #info sgordon is new CPL for magnum | 21:26 |
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| Shamail | Any one willing to help with keystone or neutron? Those are rather important so I don't think we should leave them vacant for long... | 21:27 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | I am CPL for Tempest and Rally. Where should I document the roadmap for these to track? | 21:27 |
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| Shamail | Furthermore, there are a lot of other projects that currently do not have a CPL from PWG. I'll post the open projects on our mailing list to continue this conversation. We'll list core services as priority in the ML thread | 21:28 |
| barrett | Just wondering - Is the issue for people to volunteer time or knowledge of the project? | 21:28 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Shamail, do we have wiki or webpage where we track CPLs? | 21:28 |
| Shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: I'll reach out to you on this topic... More important to also start joining the weekly meetings for those projects | 21:28 |
| kencjohnston | barrett My reluctance is for time | 21:28 |
| Shamail | Yes (looking up the link) | 21:28 |
| barrett | #link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons | 21:29 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | agree | 21:29 |
| kencjohnston | I think I would struggle to attend appropriate meetings and stay up to speed | 21:29 |
| Shamail | Thanks barrett | 21:29 |
| pchadwick | My concern is time as well. | 21:29 |
| kencjohnston | Maybe we should let the CPL priorities be determined by needs from the tracked User Stories? | 21:29 |
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| Shamail | kencjohnston: good idea, I was going to continue the topic on ML and I'll try to list of user story mapping in that thread. | 21:30 |
| hughhalf | Good call kencjohnston - taht would help us naturally prioritise | 21:30 |
| kencjohnston | Althought then you lose the general feedback loop from the Roadmap creation process because you wouldn't have CPLs established for all projects at all times | 21:30 |
| barrett | kencjohnston: +1 | 21:30 |
| kencjohnston | Shamail cool, thanks | 21:30 |
| Shamail | There are a lot of other projects that currently do not have a CPL from PWG. I'll post the open projects on our mailing list to continue this conversation. Naturally, the core services and ones with user story implications would be listed as priority. | 21:30 |
| Shamail | Can you please assign the action item barrett? | 21:31 |
| barrett | Shamail: +1. we're unlikely to be able to cover all of the projects | 21:31 |
| Shamail | Lastly, can people who are CPLs currently give an update on whether they have been able to start attending the weekly time meeting for their project(s)? I have been attending cinder meetings, but have missed the last 2-3. | 21:31 |
| Shamail | I'd like to also propose that we make this a regular agenda item, like user story updates, except less frequently (maybe once a month to start)... So that we can bring up relevant topics from the projects and update the team. | 21:31 |
| pchadwick | Shamail - same here for Manila | 21:31 |
| barrett | #action Shamail send out an email to the ML call for CPLs, with a list of the projects currently identified as involved in a prioritized user story | 21:32 |
| kencjohnston | Shamail +1 on updates | 21:32 |
| barrett | Shamail - Will do on the agenda | 21:32 |
| Shamail | Thanks pchadwick | 21:32 |
| rockyg | Everybody, if you miss the meetings, it's often worthwhile to review the logs for it. Helps a lot. | 21:32 |
| Shamail | rockyg: +1 | 21:32 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 on shamail proposal | 21:32 |
| MeganR | Do we still need someone on the OpenStack Client meetings? I have been attending those, but don't see it listed on the Wiki/ | 21:33 |
| pchadwick | rockyg - where are the logs? | 21:33 |
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| Shamail | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/ | 21:33 |
| pchadwick | never mind - I just googled it. | 21:33 |
| rockyg | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings | 21:33 |
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| barrett | MeganR: It's there..called OSClient | 21:34 |
| rockyg | when this meeting ends, look at the links that get auto-posted. | 21:34 |
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| barrett | #link: PWG list of CPLs https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons#Product_Working_Group | 21:34 |
| rockyg | then go up-tree a bit. You can work your way back down. | 21:34 |
| Shamail | That's all I had on this topic... We got magnum covered and hopefully we get coverage for neutron and keystone via ML | 21:35 |
| MeganR | barrett: thank you, I was looking at the wrong section | 21:35 |
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| Shamail | I look forward to project updates, that will be really beneficial | 21:35 |
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| Shamail | Any comments, questions before we move on? | 21:36 |
| barrett | nope | 21:36 |
| Shamail | Floor is yours barrett :) | 21:36 |
| barrett | Thanks | 21:36 |
| barrett | #topic User Story Updates | 21:37 |
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| barrett | Do any of the User Story owners have updates to share? | 21:37 |
| kencjohnston | barrett I posted a revision to Rolling Upgrades which contains Gaps Analysis text | 21:37 |
| kencjohnston | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/255633/ | 21:37 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | DB hygiene have been merged. DItto for complex user scenarios | 21:37 |
| barrett | Ok - let's start with Rolling Upgrades | 21:38 |
| thingee | What is the goal of editing the rolling upgrades user stories. These kind of things are already being developered by various projects. | 21:38 |
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| kencjohnston | thingee I agree most of the items are already inflight, the intent was to capture the entire "outcome" in one place | 21:39 |
| sgordon | i tend to agree with thingee here in as much as what is in the doc does not look so much like a use case | 21:39 |
| sgordon | as a list of items that are already being worked on | 21:39 |
| thingee | kencjohnston: got it | 21:39 |
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| barrett | The tracker should ideally contain what's underway as well as the gas | 21:40 |
| barrett | gaps | 21:40 |
| rockyg | Might be worth putting links to bps, bugs, reviews in where things are in-flight | 21:40 |
| kencjohnston | I will say that I still struggle to find the status of all the various items that are inflight | 21:40 |
| Shamail | kencjohnston: +1 and also helps keep additional details (like context, justification, etc.) to help share why it was tracked through PWG | 21:40 |
| kencjohnston | rockyg I think that is the job of the tracker document | 21:40 |
| Shamail | That will be the tracker | 21:40 |
| thingee | kencjohnston: yeah it's not easy, because some projects have bits and pieces that work towards the goal. | 21:40 |
| rockyg | What Shamail said. +1 | 21:40 |
| kencjohnston | In my mind 1) Gaps contains written form of gaps in context of high level use case | 21:41 |
| kencjohnston | 2) Tracker contains specific work items happening across projects and releases | 21:41 |
| thingee | kencjohnston: it would help if CPL's communicate with projects on putting things under one topic branch in gerrit | 21:41 |
| Shamail | I was trying to get a template created by today but hopefully will submit patch tomorrow. | 21:41 |
| thingee | kencjohnston: so it's easy to spot the work happening | 21:41 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/237178/ - closed (DB hygiene) | 21:41 |
| Shamail | thingee: that's a great idea | 21:41 |
| kencjohnston | thingee Talk more about that... | 21:41 |
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| kencjohnston | All projects would put work in the same named topic branch? | 21:42 |
| rockyg | kencjohnston, +1. thingee, talk... | 21:42 |
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| thingee | so a lot of the times where we're doing cross project development, we put things under one topic branch. that way you can search by gerrit that topic branch and find things across different projects for the same initiative | 21:42 |
| * thingee finds an example | 21:42 | |
| rockyg | does the branch span repos or we just name it the same in each? | 21:42 |
| Shamail | Name it the same. | 21:42 |
| rockyg | Answered *my* question...Thanks! | 21:43 |
| kencjohnston | thingee OK, I think I get it. I'll get a communication to the CPLs with that ask for rolling upgrades | 21:43 |
| kencjohnston | Can someone take that action for me? | 21:43 |
| thingee | so recently in OpenStack we rolled a new way for capturing release notes. The topic is called "add-reno" ... reno being the tool to capture release notes | 21:44 |
| thingee | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:+add-reno,n,z | 21:44 |
| thingee | so you can see all the projects integrating reno^ | 21:44 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Are we covering rolling upgrade in each project or one person responsible for it for all projects? | 21:44 |
| Shamail | thingee: this is a good addition to the workflow... Good thing is that everything is done via patch so the topic could show everything except blueprints. | 21:44 |
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| kencjohnston | Arkady_Kanevsky All projects | 21:44 |
| Shamail | Code + specs would all show up. | 21:44 |
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| Shamail | barrett: can you please assign an action item to kencjohnston: "ask CPLs to share common branch topic with projects for rolling upgrades " | 21:46 |
| barrett | Arkady_Kanevsky: CPLs cover all User Stories | 21:46 |
| barrett | #action kencjohnston ask CPLs to share common branch topic with projects for rolling upgrades | 21:46 |
| thingee | barrett: can I get an action item to update the workflow doc for the topic branch addition? | 21:46 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | sorry for confusion. We have an owner of user story. That may span multiple projects. | 21:46 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | And we have CPL that tracks roadmap for individual project. | 21:47 |
| barrett | #Action Thingee Update workflow doc to include Topic Branch additions | 21:47 |
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| thingee | thank you | 21:47 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | So who owns tracking a user story "blueprint" in specific project? CPL? story owner? or both? | 21:48 |
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| thingee | Arkady_Kanevsky: wait, there's a separate blueprint for the user story? | 21:48 |
| Shamail | CPL, but aggregated status is tracked by user story owner. | 21:48 |
| barrett | does anyone knowif the #commands are case sensitive? | 21:49 |
| barrett | Anything else on rolling upgrades? | 21:49 |
| kencjohnston | barrett none from me | 21:49 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | The work in each individual project is driven by blueprints and specs. | 21:49 |
| Shamail | not sure barrett | 21:49 |
| thingee | There should just be a user story, which can include the user stories if there is not spec. If there is a spec in a project, CPLs should be providing the user stories in a spec update. | 21:49 |
| thingee | there should just be one blueprnt* | 21:49 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Once the user story is merged we either add blueprints and spec if they exsists in various projects to track it. Or create ones for each project | 21:50 |
| Shamail | barrett: time check... 10 min | 21:50 |
| thingee | Arkady_Kanevsky: yeah I think we're on the same page | 21:50 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | single blueprint can not handle multiple projects | 21:51 |
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| thingee | Arkady_Kanevsky: right, but a spec can | 21:51 |
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| thingee | Arkady_Kanevsky: http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/openstack-user-stories/workflow/workflow.html#cross-project-specifications | 21:51 |
| thingee | each blueprint should be listed in the cross-project spec | 21:52 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | agree | 21:52 |
| thingee | :) | 21:52 |
| Shamail | Any other user story owners online? | 21:53 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | easier to track completion of all project dependent work for a user story if it in project specific blueprint or spec. | 21:53 |
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| Shamail | cloudrancher: ping | 21:54 |
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| Shamail | I don't think Deric and Jay are here | 21:55 |
| Shamail | sgordon: ping | 21:55 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | looks like we are done early. No more calls till New year? | 21:55 |
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| sgordon | yo | 21:55 |
| barrett | Weird, the channel went away for a while for me...back now | 21:55 |
| Shamail | Any updates on Complex Instance? | 21:55 |
| sgordon | we merged a thing, so that was nice | 21:55 |
| barrett | Last meeting of this year. Next one is 1/11. | 21:55 |
| rockyg | ++ | 21:55 |
| Shamail | :) | 21:55 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +2 | 21:55 |
| sgordon | now i have to find the link again of course | 21:56 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Happy Holidays to ALL | 21:56 |
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| kencjohnston | and barrett is on sabatical right? | 21:56 |
| thingee | would like to informally add an agenda item... going back a couple of meetings on whether we should have drafts or not? | 21:56 |
| Shamail | Are you now focusing on building out "add capacity" or gap analysis for Complex Instances? | 21:56 |
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| sgordon | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/251442/ | 21:56 |
| sgordon | yes | 21:56 |
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| Leong_ | Carol on sabbatical, I will cover her | 21:56 |
| Shamail | Yes kencjohnston, that is accurate... She will be on sabbatical | 21:56 |
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| kencjohnston | cross talk thingee +1 | 21:56 |
| Shamail | Yes = both sgordon ? | 21:57 |
| rockyg | thingee, +1 Maybe add to next agenda? | 21:57 |
| sgordon | both | 21:57 |
| rockyg | If we don't get to it. | 21:57 |
| kencjohnston | although that might be a better discussion for our midcycle | 21:57 |
| thingee | rockyg: ok | 21:57 |
| Shamail | Hi thingee... We'll add it | 21:57 |
| Shamail | We have 3 min.. Defer to next meeting? | 21:57 |
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| rockyg | sgordon, any ready for review yet? | 21:57 |
| Shamail | Thanks sgordon | 21:57 |
| barrett | Yes - I think so | 21:58 |
| kencjohnston | Shamail I think we have to | 21:58 |
| thingee | I would also like to remind that I think it would benefit us to start thinking of stuff we want for N release, and start putting that in the heads of project maintainers now | 21:58 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | agree. Post any new user story to review | 21:58 |
| sgordon | rockyg, we have been merging them as they come, the link is above... | 21:58 |
| kencjohnston | thingee +1 | 21:58 |
| thingee | and what resources we can bring forward from our respected companies on certain initiatives. | 21:58 |
| barrett | thingee: +1 | 21:58 |
| Shamail | Agreed. We'll add it to 1/2016 | 21:58 |
| barrett | thingee: +1 | 21:58 |
| Shamail | Did we decide to skip 1/4? | 21:58 |
| Shamail | thingee: ++ | 21:58 |
| barrett | shamail: Yes we did | 21:58 |
| sgordon | i believe we did | 21:58 |
| Shamail | Okay | 21:58 |
| Shamail | Thaknks | 21:59 |
| sgordon | people anticipating some really good new years parties i guess | 21:59 |
| Shamail | Thanks* | 21:59 |
| sgordon | ;p | 21:59 |
| * kencjohnston jumps to another call thanks all, Happy Holidays! | 21:59 | |
| Shamail | Lol sgordon | 21:59 |
| barrett | Happy Holiday folks - see ya next year! | 21:59 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | bye | 21:59 |
| Shamail | Happy holidays everyone!! Talk to you on the mailing list. | 21:59 |
| barrett | #endmeeting | 21:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Dec 14 21:59:34 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2015/product_working_group.2015-12-14-21.01.html | 21:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2015/product_working_group.2015-12-14-21.01.txt | 21:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2015/product_working_group.2015-12-14-21.01.log.html | 21:59 |
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| rockyg | Have some great holidays! | 21:59 |
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