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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 8 15:02:14 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:02 |
| toabctl | hi | 15:02 |
| cknight | Hi | 15:02 |
| bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:02 |
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| dustins | \o | 15:02 |
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| lpabon | hi | 15:02 |
| ganso | Hello | 15:02 |
| bswartz | hello all | 15:02 |
| bswartz | very little on the agenda today | 15:02 |
| bswartz | #topic Mitaka Design Summit | 15:03 |
| xyang1 | Hi | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Mitaka Design Summit (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:03 | |
| bswartz | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-mitaka-summit-topics | 15:03 |
| bswartz | I have added some proposals for sessions | 15:03 |
| csaba | hi | 15:03 |
| rraja | hi | 15:03 |
| tbarron | hi | 15:03 |
| bswartz | and I see a few others, but not a whole lot | 15:03 |
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| bswartz | I'm going to assume nobody has any other session proposals for Tokyo, because there's been plenty of time to propose them at this point | 15:04 |
| vponomaryov | hi | 15:04 |
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| bswartz | we need to decide which sessions will get fishbowl slots and which sessions will get working sessions | 15:04 |
| bswartz | we have 2 fishbowl slots, and only 1 proposed fishbowl session | 15:05 |
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| bswartz | and we have 4 working session slots, and 8 proposed sessions | 15:05 |
| bswartz | so I think we should consider using the fishbowl session for one of the topics from below | 15:06 |
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| bswartz | I'm looking for suggestions from you guys though | 15:06 |
| ganso | bswartz: are we going to vote? | 15:06 |
| cknight | bswartz: migration 2.0 could be the other fishbowl | 15:06 |
| cfouts | hi | 15:06 |
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| bswartz | and I'd like to know what you're most interested in, since I proposed a lot of these | 15:06 |
| bswartz | Please add your +1 in the etherpad if you're interested in anything | 15:07 |
| bswartz | that's how we've done it before | 15:07 |
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| bswartz | we need to make a decision in the next few days so I can get the sessions up on sched.org | 15:08 |
| bswartz | I'm happy to discuss any of the sessions here if you like, or if you understand them all just provide your feedback in the etherpad | 15:09 |
| bswartz | I'll also send out an ML post for people who can't make this meeting | 15:09 |
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| toabctl | bswartz: is mount automation something still on the plate? | 15:10 |
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| bswartz | ganso: welcome back from you vacation -- are you going to be presenting anything on migration again? | 15:10 |
| ganso | cknight: what would migration 2.0 be? I think "migration loose ends" would still be related to what we call 1.0 | 15:10 |
| ganso | bswartz: thanks! | 15:11 |
| bswartz | toabctl: yes actually | 15:11 |
| bswartz | toabctl: that didn't seem to make the list | 15:11 |
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| cknight | ganso: yes, everything listed under loose ends is what I meant | 15:11 |
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| ganso | bswartz: I have not elaborated anything major so far | 15:11 |
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| bswartz | ganso: okay | 15:12 |
| bswartz | ganso: I hope you're able to keep working on it at least | 15:12 |
| ganso | bswartz: I will have some patches submitted before summit | 15:13 |
| bswartz | so I'm going to identify the top topics for the fishbowl sessions and the working sessions, and then everything else will become the agenda for the friday sprint | 15:13 |
| bswartz | does anyone think mount automation deserves another fishbowl session? | 15:13 |
| ganso | bswartz: so far I have no added functionality in mind, only fixes... network related stuff is important to be discussed, as is data-copy service, not sure if I will be able to start working on it before summit | 15:13 |
| bswartz | or should we just continue talking about that in work sessions / on friday? | 15:14 |
| bswartz | ganso: that's fine, I think we just want to make sure everyone is in agreement on the goals, and if so we'll just work on it | 15:14 |
| bswartz | so that's all we have for today | 15:15 |
| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:15 | |
| xyang1 | bswartz: do you think there is a way to record some sessions and Friday's sprint | 15:15 |
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| bswartz | anything else? | 15:15 |
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| bswartz | xyang1: are you going to attend? | 15:16 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: I'll be there, but I am also in Cinder sessions | 15:16 |
| bswartz | xyang1: I got ttx to completely avoid overlap between cinder sessions and manila session this time around | 15:16 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: i think there are a couple of overlaps? | 15:16 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: I'll check again | 15:16 |
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| bswartz | ttx did an amazing constraints-based scheduling task with nearly every project having some anti-affinity with some other project | 15:17 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: Friday morning will be overlapping | 15:17 |
| bswartz | yeah the sprint overlap was unavoidable due to cinder taking all day long | 15:17 |
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| xyang1 | bswartz: hence the reason I am asking for recording | 15:18 |
| bswartz | we will take minutes for the friday sprint for sure -- audio/video recording may not be practical depending on what kind of room they give us | 15:18 |
| bswartz | but I'll make sure that we try | 15:18 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: if we have someone to take good notes, that will be great | 15:18 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: maybe we need to clone jungkeboyj:) | 15:19 |
| bswartz | we have a fairly decent USB omnidirectional microphone here in the office I might be able to pinch and bring with me to tokyo | 15:19 |
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| xyang1 | bswartz: sure, thanks | 15:19 |
| markstur | xyang1, +1 jungleboy | 15:19 |
| xyang1 | :) | 15:19 |
| bswartz | I will endeavor to take better notes than jungleboyj | 15:20 |
| bswartz | :-) | 15:20 |
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| xyang1 | bswartz: nice!:) | 15:20 |
| bswartz | I think there aren't any more topic so I won't keep you any longer | 15:20 |
| bswartz | thanks all | 15:21 |
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| xyang1 | Thanks | 15:21 |
| toabctl | thx. bye | 15:21 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 15:21 |
| markstur | bye | 15:21 |
| ganso | thanks | 15:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:21 | |
| dustins | thanks! | 15:21 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 8 15:21:16 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:21 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-10-08-15.02.html | 15:21 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-10-08-15.02.txt | 15:21 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-10-08-15.02.log.html | 15:21 |
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| xarses | #startmeeting fuel | 16:00 |
| xarses | #chair xarses | 16:00 |
| xarses | Todays Agenda: | 16:00 |
| xarses | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-weekly-meeting-agenda | 16:00 |
| xarses | Who's here? | 16:00 |
| maximov | hi | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 8 16:00:23 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is xarses. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| angdraug | \o | 16:00 |
| ashtokolov | o/ | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:00 | |
| mkwiek | hi | 16:00 |
| mihgen | hi | 16:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fuel' | 16:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: xarses | 16:00 |
| rmoe | yo | 16:00 |
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| yottatsa | hi | 16:00 |
| mwhahaha | hi | 16:00 |
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| xarses | #topic Action Items from last week | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action Items from last week (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:01 | |
| xarses | mihgen will task a core from each repo to start the first version of the MAINTAINERS file | 16:01 |
| mihgen | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:maintainers,n,z | 16:01 |
| mihgen | looks like good progress | 16:01 |
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| xarses | yea, nice | 16:01 |
| mihgen | thank you guys. Let's push it forward to be fully done by next IRC meeting | 16:01 |
| dpyzhov | hi | 16:01 |
| xarses | angdraug will task fuel-infra team to update core groups | 16:02 |
| mihgen | I suggest to check in details next time | 16:02 |
| angdraug | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-October/076390.html | 16:02 |
| mihgen | angdraug: is script ready? | 16:02 |
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| angdraug | mostly done, except parts waiting for openstack-infra | 16:02 |
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| prmtl | hey | 16:02 |
| akislitsky | hi | 16:02 |
| evgenyl | hi | 16:02 |
| mihgen | to automatically add reviewers based on maintainers files? | 16:02 |
| angdraug | mihgen: no | 16:02 |
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| mihgen | ETA?.. | 16:02 |
| angdraug | bug #? | 16:02 |
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| mihgen | will need to find.. don't remember | 16:03 |
| angdraug | lets take it offline then | 16:03 |
| mihgen | ok | 16:03 |
| mihgen | thanks for getting core groups to the good shape | 16:03 |
| mihgen | xarses: moving.? | 16:04 |
| xarses | #topic premature backport cherry-picks considered harmful (mattymo) | 16:04 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "premature backport cherry-picks considered harmful (mattymo) (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:04 | |
| xarses | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-October/076066.html | 16:04 |
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| angdraug | everyone, please have a good look at this thread and our bugfix backporting policy | 16:05 |
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| xarses | yep | 16:05 |
| mihgen | I skimmed through | 16:05 |
| angdraug | cherry-picking a commit to a stable branch before it is merged to master creates noise and extra work for reviewers | 16:05 |
| mihgen | I agree with mattymo and you guys | 16:05 |
| mihgen | so I think we should go ahead and update our engineering process | 16:05 |
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| mihgen | and don't create backport before code is merged into master.. | 16:06 |
| xarses | I through that was our process | 16:06 |
| angdraug | mihgen: our engineering process definition already reflects that, we just need to get better at following it :) | 16:06 |
| angdraug | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Fuel/How_to_contribute#Backport_bugfixes_to_stable_release_series | 16:06 |
| angdraug | note the word in bold :) | 16:06 |
| mihgen | oh then it's call for cores to reflect that in comments when someone creates backport earlier than needed.. | 16:06 |
| maximov | usually it happened when we need to deliver on time, before important milestone | 16:07 |
| angdraug | maximov: premature optimization is root of all evil (D. Knuth) | 16:07 |
| maximov | if we strictly followed this rule, I don't think we would have released 7.0 on time | 16:08 |
| mihgen | maximov: why so.. ? | 16:08 |
| mwhahaha | ci takes hours | 16:08 |
| mihgen | how is it related? | 16:08 |
| maximov | it is related because when you finish with master | 16:08 |
| maximov | usually it takes 2 days | 16:09 |
| maximov | you would need to repeat this process for stable | 16:09 |
| angdraug | no | 16:09 |
| angdraug | you don't have to repeat the review process for stable | 16:09 |
| xarses | it should not take 2 days to backport to stable | 16:09 |
| angdraug | you're supposed to merge exactly what went into master | 16:09 |
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| angdraug | core reviewer can cherry-pick as soon as they've voted workflow+1 | 16:09 |
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| angdraug | all you have to do is wait for CI, which is 2-4 hours | 16:10 |
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| maximov | ok, who will do cherry picks? core or author of bugfix ? | 16:10 |
| angdraug | compared to 48h average on master, that's 8% overhead | 16:10 |
| angdraug | core | 16:10 |
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| angdraug | see above link | 16:11 |
| maximov | ok, if core then ok | 16:11 |
| angdraug | "When you approve a bugfix commit for master branch... For all series where backport should exist and doesn't, create a backport review request yourself" | 16:11 |
| evgenyl | I don't think that core should do that. Author should know if it requires backporting and solve conflicts. | 16:11 |
| mihgen | folks let's analyze it deeply. maximov - if you or someone else has concerns, let's bring it up in email thread then | 16:11 |
| mihgen | I thought it's resolved in ML.. | 16:11 |
| angdraug | there was a strong consensus on openstack-dev | 16:11 |
| xarses | mihgen: + | 16:11 |
| maximov | see comments from evgenyl above | 16:12 |
| xarses | it sounds like we need more discussion on the ML | 16:12 |
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| mihgen | so questions like who should backport it - we need to reflect in email thread | 16:12 |
| angdraug | I have a big meta concern about this | 16:12 |
| angdraug | the thread on ML was a week ago | 16:12 |
| mihgen | I suggest to move on to highlight other updates.. | 16:12 |
| xarses | lets keep moving | 16:13 |
| angdraug | ok lets move on | 16:13 |
| xarses | #topic OpenStack Infra jobs enabled in non-voting mode https://review.openstack.org/#/c/228204/. Status for repos reorg (mihgen, kozhukalov) | 16:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Infra jobs enabled in non-voting mode https://review.openstack.org/#/c/228204/. Status for repos reorg (mihgen, kozhukalov) (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:13 | |
| mihgen | enabled for almost all of the repos. Now we've got to fix our repos structure, introduce tox.ini, etc. | 16:13 |
| mihgen | In fuel-agent repo I believe once we merge https://review.openstack.org/#/c/203005/, we can switch jobs to voting and remove Fuel CI from there. What about docs job there.. how can we fix it? | 16:13 |
| mihgen | What is the status for other repos folks? What / whom do we need to fix it in the other repos? | 16:13 |
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| kozhukalov | I am working on this | 16:14 |
| mihgen | mkwiek: any eta on when your patch can be landed? | 16:14 |
| prmtl | mihgen: this patch is waiting for bvt to pass, but here is apparently some lag there | 16:15 |
| kozhukalov | aah no, it is not what i meant | 16:15 |
| mihgen | kozhukalov: provide update on fuel-web repo pls | 16:15 |
| kozhukalov | there are no patches on review yet, but I am working on this | 16:16 |
| mkwiek | kozhukalov: yeah, I am waiting for bvt to pass | 16:16 |
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| kozhukalov | next week infra is going to move all the projects from stackforge to openstack | 16:16 |
| ikalnitsky | kozhukalov: what about 4 databases we use to speed-up unit tests? i mean fuel-web | 16:16 |
| mkwiek | there were some strange failures before, if they happen again I may need some assistance, but I will let you know | 16:16 |
| mihgen | kozhukalov: any eta / specific plan how to appoach it? | 16:16 |
| ikalnitsky | does openstack infra support this? | 16:16 |
| kozhukalov | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-August/072140.html | 16:16 |
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| kozhukalov | they said that they will continue to create new repos for existent stackforge projects to prevent namespace splitting | 16:17 |
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| kozhukalov | but i don't think it is a good idea to do this before the migration | 16:17 |
| kozhukalov | i mean once this migration is done | 16:17 |
| angdraug | +1 | 16:18 |
| kozhukalov | i'll send a set of patches to create new projects | 16:18 |
| kozhukalov | in openstack | 16:18 |
| mihgen | is it only about creating new repos? | 16:18 |
| mihgen | what about repo restructure, tox, etc. | 16:18 |
| angdraug | openstack-infra is not likely to review any infra commits before 17th | 16:18 |
| kozhukalov | including shotgun , network-checker, fuelmenu, | 16:18 |
| mihgen | is there any specific plan for it? | 16:18 |
| angdraug | ...that are not related to stackforge->openstack ns migration | 16:18 |
| kozhukalov | first we need to create all necessary files that we need for fuel-ci | 16:19 |
| kozhukalov | i mean test interface | 16:19 |
| kozhukalov | run_tests.sh | 16:19 |
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| kozhukalov | and then we need to announce code freeze and extract corresponding directories | 16:20 |
| kozhukalov | it is exactly the same as we did for fuel-agent for example | 16:20 |
| kozhukalov | I have kind of checklist | 16:20 |
| xarses | kozhukalov: can you prepare a mail on the ML so we can move along? | 16:20 |
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| kozhukalov | the most complicated case is fuel-ui | 16:21 |
| prmtl | kozhukalov: Igor already asked this question: what about 4 databases we use to speed-up unit tests in nailgun? | 16:21 |
| prmtl | how we will tackle this? | 16:21 |
| kozhukalov | we need to modify our testing approach cuz it requires nailgun for testing | 16:21 |
| mihgen | kozhukalov: we may need your checklist for other folks, so that we move quick and easy | 16:22 |
| kozhukalov | xarses: sure, i'll send a separate e-mail for every subproject | 16:22 |
| mihgen | Do we have people who plan to work on it for other repos.. fuel-main, fuel-ostf, etc. ? | 16:22 |
| kozhukalov | mihgen: it will in ML, like it was for fuel-agent | 16:22 |
| ikalnitsky | prmtl: it seems we're ignored. :/ | 16:22 |
| prmtl | ikalnitsky: :/ | 16:22 |
| xarses | #action kozhukalov will update ML with plain to separate each sub-project in fuel-web | 16:23 |
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| kozhukalov | prmtl: 4 databases? | 16:23 |
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| xarses | ikalnitsky: prmtl please bring it up on the ML, we need to move along | 16:23 |
| prmtl | xarses: ok | 16:23 |
| xarses | #topic code review backlog status: http://bit.ly/1G4Xsn9 (mihgen) | 16:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "code review backlog status: http://bit.ly/1G4Xsn9 (mihgen) (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:23 | |
| mihgen | These are patchsets which are 5+ days without feedback. | 16:23 |
| mihgen | Majority of them are in fuel-specs. What would be the best approach here folks? | 16:23 |
| mihgen | I think that we need to just take action items for core reviewers of corresponding repos to deal with it. | 16:24 |
| mihgen | For fuel-specs, I'd say it should be PTL - who would find experts and assign them to review. | 16:24 |
| angdraug | this reminds me: all, please update your fuel review inbox links if you're using Firefox 41 or later | 16:24 |
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| xarses | mihgen: that seems good. angdraug ? | 16:25 |
| angdraug | +1 | 16:25 |
| mihgen | we just need to ensure that cores delegate review work to maintainers | 16:25 |
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| mihgen | and PTL to some of the subject matter experts to review fuel-specs | 16:25 |
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| aglarendil | mihgen: the approach is to wait for core reviewers to get back from PTO or Sick Leave | 16:26 |
| mihgen | I want to highlight that queue was 4x longer actually couple of days ago. So I'd like to thank everyone for dealing with it | 16:26 |
| xarses | #action angdraug will update fuel-specs reviews to assign SME's to review | 16:26 |
| mihgen | aglarendil: I'm not sure that so many are on sick leave/vacation.. | 16:27 |
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| angdraug | no feedback means even non-cores didn't vote | 16:27 |
| mihgen | maximov: can you please take an action item to deal with it and assign cores to figure out particular patchsets.. ? | 16:27 |
| maximov | ok mihgen | 16:27 |
| mihgen | thank you... | 16:27 |
| xarses | moving then | 16:28 |
| xarses | #topic Status on IPv6 in tenant networks research (veremin) | 16:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Status on IPv6 in tenant networks research (veremin) (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:28 | |
| mihgen | yottatsa: ^^^ | 16:28 |
| yottatsa | I've done some research about IPv6 status on OpenStack Liberty | 16:28 |
| xarses | #action maximov will look over stale review queue and ensure that cores are assigned to them | 16:28 |
| yottatsa | and put some thought on etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tenant-ipv6 | 16:29 |
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| mihgen | woops it doesn't work with DVR? | 16:29 |
| yottatsa | shortly: IPv6 is working is provider networks with external routers just fine | 16:29 |
| yottatsa | DVR didn't yet support IPv6 | 16:29 |
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| xarses | and VRRP? | 16:30 |
| yottatsa | As for tenant networks, there is good news that we can implement it with few patches | 16:30 |
| mihgen | what about fuel changes needed to enable what is supported? | 16:30 |
| mihgen | yottatsa: that would be awesome | 16:30 |
| yottatsa | Didn't test for VRRP, will ask Sergey Vasilenko | 16:30 |
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| yottatsa | There is no changes will be needed in fuel except tseting AFAIK | 16:31 |
| xenolog13 | It should be additionally tested after | 16:31 |
| xenolog13 | support of VRRP was be implemented for IPv4 | 16:31 |
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| yottatsa | SNAT and Floating IP is not working with IPv6, will need to implement | 16:32 |
| yottatsa | also, there some cases with radvd, will need some support from fuel and neutron | 16:32 |
| mihgen | yottatsa: ok let's think about how it has to be tested, I mean what already works | 16:32 |
| mihgen | and we need to collect list of things which should be fixed in openstack and pass to neutron team to deal with.. | 16:32 |
| mihgen | thank you for research yottatsa | 16:32 |
| yottatsa | mihgen, I'll finish my ressearch on testing today and put it to report | 16:33 |
| mihgen | cool, thanks | 16:33 |
| haleyb | i'm just a lurker, but IPv6 has no plans on doing SNAT or floating IPv6 in neutron | 16:33 |
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| yottatsa | haleyb, AFAIK there is no blueprints for it | 16:33 |
| xarses | haleyb: is that because it's not needed? or its not planned | 16:34 |
| haleyb | yottatsa: well, the neutron team has decided against doing it, not needed if tenants are using global addresses | 16:34 |
| yottatsa | haleyb, but I believe it very neat feature | 16:34 |
| yottatsa | haleyb, thank you for information. | 16:34 |
| xarses | haleyb: thanks | 16:35 |
| mihgen | looks like yottatsa you'd need to articulate why it's needed to neutron team) | 16:35 |
| haleyb | feel free to corner the neutron cores and plead your case | 16:35 |
| mihgen | xarses: moving on.. ? | 16:36 |
| xarses | yep | 16:36 |
| xarses | #topic Enhancements Team Status (ashtokolov) | 16:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Enhancements Team Status (ashtokolov) (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:36 | |
| ashtokolov | Enhancements status briefly: | 16:36 |
| ashtokolov | Inbox - 62, In progress - 12, On review - 20, QA - 17, Done - 2 | 16:36 |
| ashtokolov | and 12 to be sorted with Product Management | 16:36 |
| ashtokolov | One of our story «Rewrite fuel-createmirror» takes more than 5 man-days | 16:37 |
| mihgen | looks like a good progress, thanks for driving this! | 16:37 |
| ashtokolov | Bulat could you provide a status of this story? | 16:37 |
| mihgen | yeah that's gonna be exception one :( | 16:37 |
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| angdraug | that would be our next agenda item | 16:37 |
| mihgen | it's in agenda | 16:37 |
| xarses | we have topic for create mirror just next | 16:37 |
| angdraug | moving? | 16:37 |
| mihgen | ashtokolov: those 17 in qa - those are implemented? | 16:37 |
| bgaifullin | the proof of concept will be provided to QA | 16:37 |
| mihgen | or in review? | 16:37 |
| ashtokolov | mihgen: yes, Fix committed | 16:38 |
| mihgen | that's cool. we will finally get rid of many gaps.. | 16:38 |
| mihgen | thanks ashtokolov, no more questions from my side. | 16:38 |
| xarses | #topic Status on fuel-createmirror.(bgaifullin) | 16:38 |
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| bgaifullin | the proof of concept was provided to QA -team. | 16:38 |
| bgaifullin | they are testing it now. | 16:39 |
| mihgen | where can we look at code..? | 16:39 |
| bgaifullin | on review | 16:39 |
| mihgen | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/231535/ ? | 16:39 |
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| bgaifullin | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/231535/ | 16:40 |
| angdraug | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/231535/ | 16:40 |
| angdraug | 3 times does the charm :) | 16:40 |
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| mihgen | ok thanks. do you get reviewers.. ? | 16:40 |
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| bgaifullin | I need to prepare specification before, and a change interfaces little bit. | 16:41 |
| mihgen | ok thanks bgaifullin | 16:41 |
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| mihgen | xarses: moving on.. ? | 16:41 |
| xarses | #topic UI team status (vkramskikh) | 16:41 |
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| vkramskikh | Hi, this week we've fixed 11 bugs, and have 56 bugs left. There is only 1 high bug (which is in progress), and others are mediums and lower. We also have quite a few low-hanging-fruit bugs which we can fix quickly. We'll continue to fix the bugs. | 16:41 |
| vkramskikh | that's it :) | 16:41 |
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| mihgen | vkramskikh: hey any plans for multi-rack? | 16:42 |
| mihgen | other advanced networking pieces? | 16:42 |
| vkramskikh | mihgen: multirack is one of 8.0 features, but currently we're working only on bugs | 16:42 |
| vkramskikh | yes we plan to deliver multirack in UI in 8.0 | 16:42 |
| yottatsa | mihgen, I've got initial info from xenolog13 about multirack, and I'm still in progress | 16:43 |
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| mihgen | yottatsa: in progress of what in terms of multirack...? | 16:43 |
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| angdraug | vkramskikh: I asked rvyalov to create a spec for the changes in js deps packaging that asilenkov is working on | 16:43 |
| mihgen | vkramskikh: sound good. thanks. Do you know if http://demo.fuel-infra.org:8000/ is compressed now.. ? | 16:43 |
| angdraug | please review when it's available | 16:44 |
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| yottatsa | mihgen: trying to fit IPv6 deployment in multirack case | 16:44 |
| angdraug | I'd like to make sure that this time we don't leave it in a state where it can block your team again | 16:44 |
| vkramskikh | mihgen: nope, development UI is still used | 16:44 |
| mihgen | yottatsa: oh ok. thanks. | 16:44 |
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| xarses | #topic Bugfix team status (dpyzhov) | 16:44 |
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| vkramskikh | angdraug: thanks a lot | 16:44 |
| dpyzhov | Hi again | 16:45 |
| mihgen | angdraug: please prioritize the work for demo instance if possible.. it's likea a face of Fuel | 16:45 |
| dpyzhov | Here is our current stats. I’ll show it in format “total (UI / python / librar)" | 16:45 |
| dpyzhov | Critical and high bugs: 49 (1/26/22). Last week it was 48 (2/31/15) | 16:45 |
| dpyzhov | Medium, low and wishlist bugs: 252 (64/125/63). Last week it was 241 (72/119/50) | 16:45 |
| dpyzhov | Features tracked as bug reports: 134. Last week it was 133. | 16:45 |
| dpyzhov | Technical debt bugs: 88. Last week it was 72. | 16:45 |
| openstack | bug 252 in gnome-system-tools (Ubuntu) "Remove absolute reference from icon .desktop file " [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/252 - Assigned to Sebastien Bacher (seb128) | 16:45 |
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| bgaifullin | #left | 16:45 |
| dpyzhov | We had some really tricky bugs and it affected our velocity | 16:45 |
| dpyzhov | Now they seem to be nailed down | 16:46 |
| dpyzhov | So I hope that we will be better next week | 16:46 |
| xarses | dpyzhov: but its good to get them done | 16:46 |
| dpyzhov | I’ve walked through our tech-debt bugs and shared my proposals in openstack-dev list last week. | 16:46 |
| dpyzhov | I haven’t got any objections so looks like we cool here. | 16:46 |
| dpyzhov | We have several tech-debt bugs in High priority and we should fix them. | 16:46 |
| dpyzhov | All other tech-debt bugs can be postponed or fixed in a background without any priority. | 16:46 |
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| dpyzhov | Right now we are focused on maintenance update for 7.0. Fixes for most of bugs are in progress and about 10 bugs are not touched yet. | 16:46 |
| mihgen | dpyzhov: thanks. Looks like it's good progress overall! | 16:46 |
| dpyzhov | 2 bugs for MU1 are on review | 16:47 |
| mihgen | dpyzhov: what about "features" | 16:47 |
| mihgen | is those are enhancements? | 16:47 |
| dpyzhov | Yest | 16:47 |
| mihgen | it doesn't seem to be in sync with report from ashtokolov | 16:47 |
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| dpyzhov | feature-bugs are ehnancement bugs | 16:47 |
| dpyzhov | I've just provided some stats | 16:47 |
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| dpyzhov | well, it doesn't look good for me | 16:48 |
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| mihgen | ashtokolov: can you please check why numbers are different..? | 16:48 |
| dpyzhov | Because numbers are almost the same | 16:48 |
| dpyzhov | looks like we are like Alisa, running as fast as we can in order to be on the same place | 16:48 |
| dpyzhov | feature bugs also include bugs tied to blueprints | 16:48 |
| dpyzhov | that are not in ashtokolov area | 16:49 |
| dpyzhov | sorry for misleading | 16:49 |
| dpyzhov | Also I’ve created new bug tag ‘regression-8.0’ for bugs that were introduced in 8.0 release. | 16:49 |
| mihgen | oh I misinterpreted some numbers .. I see it almost doesn't move now.. | 16:49 |
| mihgen | ok let's take it offline.. we need to figure out what to do here | 16:50 |
| dpyzhov | yep | 16:50 |
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| mihgen | xarses: moving on? | 16:50 |
| xarses | #topic Multirack status (alex_didenko) | 16:50 |
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| mihgen | let's try to fit 3 topics in 10min | 16:50 |
| alex_didenko | We're working on this list of bugs https://goo.gl/wzIGl5 - when High bugs are resolved we should have a working multi-rack deployment with static routes. | 16:50 |
| alex_didenko | We have a fix/solution for the most of bugs, some of them are on review already. | 16:50 |
| alex_didenko | The only bug without solution/fix is https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1502842, but I think we'll have a solution for it on the next week. | 16:50 |
| alex_didenko | Our main goal right now is to upload all the patches to gerrit, build custom ISO and test it on both standard and multirack topologies. | 16:50 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1502842 in Fuel for OpenStack 8.0.x "Need to re-configure routing after we add a new nodegroup (rack)" [High,Triaged] - Assigned to Aleksey Kasatkin (alekseyk-ru) | 16:50 |
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| dpyzhov | we are focused on mu1. You can see our status here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-python-7-0-mu1-bugs https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-library-7-0-mu1-bugs | 16:51 |
| alex_didenko | multirack done, next :) | 16:51 |
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| mihgen | alex_didenko: wait, is it all static routes? | 16:51 |
| alex_didenko | yep | 16:51 |
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| mihgen | how do we do HA in multirack here? | 16:51 |
| mihgen | can you place controller per rack? | 16:51 |
| alex_didenko | nope, controllers should be in the same L3 segment | 16:52 |
| xenolog13 | no, it's impossible now | 16:52 |
| xarses | mihgen: no, not with out separating l3-agent and haproxy/vip | 16:52 |
| mihgen | ok.. I'll sync offline with you xarses in the office then.. | 16:52 |
| mihgen | yottatsa: did you discuss it with xenolog13 in the office? | 16:52 |
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| mihgen | in general, how you did it before and how we are doing it .. we need fresh feedback on things | 16:53 |
| mihgen | alex_didenko: do we have a design spec for multirack.. ? | 16:53 |
| alex_didenko | well, besicaly we're imporving and fixing nodegroups, so there's nothing new | 16:53 |
| mihgen | ok.. | 16:54 |
| alex_didenko | but we do have a spec for it | 16:54 |
| xenolog13 | spec started, attached to the task | 16:54 |
| alex_didenko | https://review.openstack.org/230943 | 16:54 |
| mihgen | can you find please and share with yottatsa - I want him to review it | 16:54 |
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| yottatsa | mihgen, I've discussed it, but I'm still think on it in connection with IPv6 routers | 16:54 |
| mihgen | ok, thanks. xarses - let's move on.. if no more questions here.. | 16:54 |
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| xarses | #topic last call for votes for PTL (angdraug) | 16:54 |
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| angdraug | just wanted to remind everyone that the PTL vote closes in a few hours (23:59 UTC), please vote now if you haven't already | 16:54 |
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| yottatsa | alex_didenko, got the spec | 16:55 |
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| angdraug | next topic please :) | 16:55 |
| xenolog13 | Spec for dynamic multi-rack will be here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/195640/ | 16:55 |
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| xarses | #topic Networking configuration as a service (rmoe) | 16:55 |
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| mihgen | yottatsa: this one is more important to review (dymamic routes) ^^ | 16:55 |
| rmoe | I'm currently working on separating network configuration from nailgun into a standalone service that is not nailgun-specific. | 16:55 |
| rmoe | I'm building a PoC to figure out the data structures and API. I'm also researching os-net-config as a way | 16:55 |
| rmoe | to realize the host network configurations stored in this new service. As soon as I'm done with the PoC I'll take | 16:55 |
| rmoe | what I've learned and put it all into a spec. | 16:55 |
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| rmoe | spec should be up by the next meeting here | 16:56 |
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| angdraug | rmoe: do you have a scratch repo with the code up on github? | 16:56 |
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| rmoe | everything I'm doing will be on github by the end of today | 16:56 |
| mihgen | thanks rmoe. Do you solely work on this or whom do you sync up with on this matter.. ? | 16:57 |
| xarses | cool, can you post it to the ML when it's ready? | 16:57 |
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| rmoe | right now just me, but once we're past this initial poc | 16:57 |
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| rmoe | vova will be helping with the design | 16:57 |
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| mihgen | which vova.. aglarendil ? | 16:57 |
| rmoe | yes | 16:57 |
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| mihgen | cool. and I assume akasatkin, xenolog13 will be in sync as well here..? | 16:58 |
| rmoe | I hope so, i would definitely rely on their input as we get further along | 16:58 |
| mihgen | thanks rmoe | 16:58 |
| xarses | 1 min | 16:58 |
| aglarendil | yo | 16:59 |
| angdraug | open discussion? | 16:59 |
| mihgen | we just fit agenda yo | 16:59 |
| angdraug | jk | 16:59 |
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| aglarendil | sorry hurried a little bit | 16:59 |
| xarses | thanks everyone, if you have something to raise, please do in the ML | 16:59 |
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| xarses | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
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| mihgen | great meeting, thanks everyone for participation! | 16:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 8 16:59:45 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2015/fuel.2015-10-08-16.00.html | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2015/fuel.2015-10-08-16.00.txt | 16:59 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2015/fuel.2015-10-08-16.00.log.html | 16:59 |
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| mkwiek | bye | 17:00 |
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| hyakuhei | #startmeeting Security | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 8 17:00:31 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hyakuhei. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 17:00 |
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| dg_ | sup | 17:00 |
| hyakuhei | Heyoooo! | 17:00 |
| tmcpeak | yo | 17:00 |
| tkelsey | o/ | 17:00 |
| elmiko | o/ | 17:00 |
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| hyakuhei | #chair tmcpeak | 17:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: hyakuhei tmcpeak | 17:00 |
| browne | o/ | 17:00 |
| Michaelxin | Hi | 17:00 |
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| ccneill | hola | 17:00 |
| * mhayden stumbles in :) | 17:00 | |
| tmcpeak | hey mhayden, good to see you | 17:01 |
| hyakuhei | Welcome mhayden :D | 17:01 |
| bknudson | hi | 17:01 |
| Michaelxin | Welcome major | 17:01 |
| mhayden | thanks! :) | 17:01 |
| yaya | Hey mhayden | 17:01 |
| ccneill | lotsa Rackers today | 17:01 |
| mvaldes | howdy | 17:01 |
| hyakuhei | major is our special guest star this week :) | 17:01 |
| yaya | :) | 17:01 |
| elmiko | ooh, cool | 17:01 |
| hyakuhei | Agenda #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-20151008-irc | 17:01 |
| Michaelxin | +1 | 17:01 |
| hyakuhei | ^ Was feeling sooper organized this morning :) | 17:01 |
| redrobot | o/ | 17:01 |
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| hyakuhei | Hey redrobot | 17:02 |
| * redrobot waves at hyakuhei | 17:02 | |
| hyakuhei | Do you have the link for that service authentication using PKI spec thing ? | 17:02 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: is there an agenda item for mhayden's stuff? | 17:02 |
| redrobot | hyakuhei https://review.openstack.org/#/c/222293/ ? | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | tmcpeak: Yes | 17:03 |
| tmcpeak | oh sorry, the end | 17:03 |
| tmcpeak | I don't read gud | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | It’s right there on the agenda :P | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | Tis ok, you’re still young. | 17:03 |
| tmcpeak | ;) | 17:03 |
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| hyakuhei | redrobot: that’s the one thanks! | 17:03 |
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| hyakuhei | ok, lets get the ball rolling with Anchor then | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Anchor | 17:04 |
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| hyakuhei | Not much to report, I think we’ve all been working on other things | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | dg_: has been doing some interesting related work thats further down the agenda. | 17:04 |
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| hyakuhei | The ACME spec is interesting for anyone who cares to look | 17:04 |
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| hyakuhei | tkelsey: dg_ anything anchor-ish to add? | 17:04 |
| tkelsey | not too much, rebased a few patches, thats about i t | 17:05 |
| dg_ | hyakuhei I dont think so, we bust out the validators, but i think that was last covered in last wweks meeting | 17:05 |
| redrobot | hyakuhei +1 on ACME being interesting | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | There’s a few open reviews that need addresssing | 17:05 |
| tkelsey | we have looked at pulling some for the validator functionality into a reusable package | 17:05 |
| redrobot | hyakuhei any plans for ACME support in Anchor? | 17:05 |
| Michaelxin | Did Tim use on metal server to test user cases? | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | redrobot: No immediate ones | 17:06 |
| tkelsey | Michaelxin: no not yet ;9 | 17:06 |
| tkelsey | :( | 17:06 |
| tkelsey | been short on time | 17:06 |
| dg_ | Michaelxin on metal server? | 17:06 |
| Michaelxin | Ion worry. | 17:06 |
| Michaelxin | yes | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | Though actually, given the dynamic AuthZ nature (validators) of Anchor, it could actually make a lot of sense, depending on the tertiary proof of ownership methods outlined in the ACME standard | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | ok, rolling on to Killick (where ACME will still be relevant) | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Killick | 17:07 |
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| dg_ | michaelxin got a link? google doesnt have anything much on that | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | spec #link # | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | Stupid etherpad is stupid… link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/231955/ | 17:08 |
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| hyakuhei | shohel: !!! | 17:08 |
| shohel | hi | 17:08 |
| dg_ | hey shohel | 17:08 |
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| hyakuhei | Hey, welcome buddy, @everyone shohel is the main guy that drove the Keystone TA work | 17:08 |
| Michaelxin | http://www.rackspace.com/en-us/cloud/servers/onmetal | 17:08 |
| dg_ | thanks michael | 17:08 |
| dg_ | so Killick | 17:09 |
| Michaelxin | Any time | 17:09 |
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| tmcpeak | welcome back shohel | 17:09 |
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| hyakuhei | So dg_ please tell us all about killick | 17:09 |
| elmiko | hyakuhei: where was the ACME spec? | 17:10 |
| elmiko | (sorry for the interruption) | 17:10 |
| redrobot | elmiko https://letsencrypt.github.io/acme-spec/ | 17:10 |
| elmiko | redrobot: thanks! | 17:10 |
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| dg__ | back again, sorry IRC dropped out | 17:11 |
| hyakuhei | No worries, we waited for you | 17:12 |
| dg__ | no worries | 17:12 |
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| dg__ | so we talked about killick briefly a couple of weeks back, the idea is that its a very lgihtweight CA/RA, which can be deployed with minimal infrastructure to build an internal PKI | 17:13 |
| dg__ | as an alternative to MS ADCS/dogtag/ejbca, but much lighter weight and without any licensing costs | 17:13 |
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| tmcpeak | no licensing costs is good | 17:13 |
| dg__ | I've pushed a spec up to the security-specs repo and would appriciate feedback | 17:13 |
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| dg__ | tmcpeak - I dont want to have to tell customers they need a MS windows license to deploy openstack because PKI | 17:14 |
| redrobot | dg__ as mentioned last time, I would rather see this work done in Barbican | 17:14 |
| tmcpeak | dg__ ++ | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | redrobot: why? | 17:14 |
| dg__ | redrobot feel free to pull in the validation functionality | 17:14 |
| dg__ | its seperated in anchor | 17:14 |
| redrobot | I think validation will be useful to us | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | Validators, which are really “policy” should probably be enforced at the RA | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | redrobot: They’re broken out of Anchor now, you can use them already :) | 17:15 |
| Michaelxin | The link to your spec? Please | 17:15 |
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| redrobot | I'm concerned about adding yet another CA API to OpenStack | 17:15 |
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| hyakuhei | Big-Tent baby ;) | 17:15 |
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| elmiko | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/231955/ | 17:15 |
| elmiko | Michaelxin: ^ | 17:16 |
| dg__ | elmiko ty | 17:16 |
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| Michaelxin | +1 | 17:16 |
| hyakuhei | Though I do appreciate the concern, now there’s no reason things cant plug into x,y,z like I’d expect Killick to sit behind Barbican and to have a barbican plugin built alongside it as development progresses | 17:16 |
| Michaelxin | Ty | 17:16 |
| redrobot | hyakuhei sure, there's a huge tent now... but I think it would make it more difficult for projects to add CA support if they have to do so across 3 different APIs | 17:16 |
| hyakuhei | Agreed | 17:16 |
| dg__ | redrobot agreed, but i think theres a very clear distinction for the use-cases | 17:17 |
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| elmiko | redrobot: is this a situation where castellan, or something similar, could be used to create a useful abstraction? (or is that barbican) | 17:17 |
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| hyakuhei | Castellan is the abstraction in front of the abstraction that is Barbican… | 17:18 |
| hyakuhei | So possibly? | 17:18 |
| elmiko | lol | 17:18 |
| redrobot | we've gone down that road... I think it would be difficult to provide a one-size-fits-all abstraction on top of a CA | 17:18 |
| elmiko | the cert stuff had come up in castellan before, but i think it was a different use case. which is why i mention "or something similar" | 17:18 |
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| elmiko | redrobot: ack | 17:19 |
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| hyakuhei | redrobot: last I read (which was some time ago) Barbican still wanted to be the middlman to various certificate authorities? | 17:19 |
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| redrobot | dg__ so a deployer interested in both Killick and Anchor and Barbican use cases would still have to deploy all 3 | 17:19 |
| dg__ | redrobot anchor is ideally suited for node-node communications, or instance to instance communications, killick is for when you want to have a bit more oversight of whats being issued manually, where you want more functionality than just issuing a self-signed cert with openssl, but without the extra functionality of a barbican CA | 17:19 |
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| dg__ | potentially, depending on the functionality he needed | 17:20 |
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| redrobot | s/both/all | 17:20 |
| mvaldes | is it worthwhile to document how these systems differ, can integrate and where they overlap | 17:20 |
| elmiko | mvaldes: +1 | 17:20 |
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| tmcpeak | +1 | 17:20 |
| tmcpeak | this might get rat-hole-y but I'm interested | 17:20 |
| Michaelxin | +1 | 17:20 |
| elmiko | (even if just on the wiki) | 17:20 |
| ccneill | Venn diagrams! :) | 17:20 |
| hyakuhei | mvaldes: +1 | 17:20 |
| dg__ | Im unaware of the state of the art with barbican as a PKI, I havent tried to deploy it in 6 months or so, but last time I looked, it didnt seem to be something I could use as an alternative to ADCS | 17:20 |
| dg__ | mvaldes +1 | 17:21 |
| hyakuhei | I’ll make some time for it in my summit talk, a slide on what’s available PKI wise today. | 17:21 |
| Michaelxin | Anyone is using killick in production? | 17:21 |
| hyakuhei | It’s a spec | 17:21 |
| hyakuhei | so no :) | 17:21 |
| hyakuhei | or “god I hope not..." | 17:21 |
| mvaldes | i think ccneill can help with the barbican side of it | 17:21 |
| mvaldes | :) | 17:21 |
| redrobot | dg__ so barbican is not itself a CA. And I do believe that having a CA that you can stand up for free is valuable. The part I don't like is that it having an api that competes with the Barbican API | 17:21 |
| redrobot | dg__ I would prefer to see killick as a backend to Barbican | 17:22 |
| hyakuhei | So I think it should go both ways | 17:22 |
| hyakuhei | Those who only want one type of CA can have it | 17:22 |
| hyakuhei | Certainly don’t want a lightweight CA to require Barbican in order to deploy | 17:22 |
| hyakuhei | That’s dumb | 17:22 |
| ccneill | mvaldes: pretty sure redrobot is the better person to expound on barbican, though I'm happy to help wherever I can | 17:22 |
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| dg__ | redrobot does barbican have a gui I can log into, view the status of a certificate request that has been submitted by a user, and issue or deny the certificate? | 17:22 |
| hyakuhei | but where there’s a few different CA use cases, being able to put them behind barbican makes a lot of sense. | 17:22 |
| redrobot | dg__ no... again Barbican is currently not a CA, so we are not concerned with Cert Issuance beyond getting a status from the CA | 17:23 |
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| dg__ | so if I want to issue a certificate, I request it from barbican as a user? then barbican passes the request to killick? | 17:24 |
| redrobot | dg__ yes, that's the workflow for Public CAs right now. | 17:24 |
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| redrobot | dg__ dogtag for example. | 17:24 |
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| dg__ | yup | 17:25 |
| redrobot | dg__ user interacts with Barbican, Barbican talks to DogTag... DogTag admins do their thing directly with DogTag. | 17:25 |
| hyakuhei | Depends if you’re intending this to be an as-a-Service for users of your cloud or more of an under-cloud infrastructure type component I guess. | 17:25 |
| dg__ | that feels like a load of extra abstraction when all I want to do is to curl a CRL to a url... | 17:25 |
| hyakuhei | I think there are use cases for both | 17:26 |
| redrobot | dg__ you'll still be curling a CRL to a barbican URL | 17:26 |
| dg__ | ok cool | 17:26 |
| hyakuhei | but if killick has a decent stabilized API I can’t see why it would have to be tightly coupled with Barbican? Though I would certainly encourage people to write a Barbican plugin for it | 17:27 |
| mvaldes | hyakuhei: should we set an action item for documentation of barbican, anchor, killick? i can see these questions coming up a lot | 17:27 |
| redrobot | hyakuhei my main concern is for projects having to make a decision on whether they need to integrate with Barbican or with Killick | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | My main concerns is making sure they have that option I think | 17:27 |
| elmiko | a solid concern | 17:27 |
| dg__ | redrobot - i see this as more of a anchor or !anchor descision | 17:28 |
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| hyakuhei | Although, pretty quickly you end up with another Castellan situation I guess. | 17:28 |
| redrobot | hyakuhei and if projects start diverging, some integrate with Barbican, some integrate with Killick, then deployment becomes a pain in the rear | 17:28 |
| dg__ | as otherwise, you just want a traditional certifcate, which means generating a CRL and curling that to an interface somewhere | 17:28 |
| hyakuhei | dg__: Is the plan to support Keystone AuthN ? | 17:28 |
| dg__ | yep | 17:28 |
| dg__ | I have a place holder in the spec for thinking about auth, as I havent addressed that yet | 17:28 |
| hyakuhei | redrobot: Sure does but there’s no way we’d tell DogTag that it has to integrate with Barbican | 17:28 |
| tmcpeak | guys this is good stuff but we should probably move on | 17:28 |
| hyakuhei | tmcpeak: +1 | 17:29 |
| tmcpeak | we still have a large agenda and want to make sure to get to mhayden | 17:29 |
| hyakuhei | ML or #openstack-security | 17:29 |
| mhayden | no worries if i'm left off ;) | 17:29 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: +1 | 17:29 |
| hyakuhei | nonesense. | 17:29 |
| redrobot | one last thing: | 17:29 |
| redrobot | I would reconsider my opposition to Killick if the API is ACME compliant. | 17:29 |
| dg__ | redrobot that is the plan, going forwards at least | 17:30 |
| hyakuhei | Fair enough :) worth considering | 17:30 |
| hyakuhei | Righto | 17:30 |
| * hyakuhei bumps OpenStack-Ansible-Security | 17:30 | |
| * redrobot will read the spec | 17:30 | |
| hyakuhei | #topic Ansible-Security | 17:30 |
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| hyakuhei | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/openstack-ansible-security,n,z | 17:30 |
| hyakuhei | mhayden: what’s all this about then ? :P | 17:30 |
| tmcpeak | +1 | 17:30 |
| tmcpeak | this looks interesting | 17:30 |
| mhayden | ah yes -- so the general idea is in the spec | 17:31 |
| mhayden | let me dig up the link | 17:31 |
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| mhayden | http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/openstack-ansible-specs/specs/mitaka/security-hardening.html | 17:31 |
| mhayden | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/openstack-ansible-specs/specs/mitaka/security-hardening.html | 17:31 |
| elmiko | interesting... and cool | 17:31 |
| mhayden | the goal is to provide some level of security hardening for the hosts that run an OpenStack infrastructure | 17:31 |
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| mvaldes | mhayden: good stuff! | 17:32 |
| mhayden | and something auditable | 17:32 |
| tmcpeak | awesome, and Ansible based? | 17:32 |
| mhayden | so we went with the RHEL 6 STIG since it's public domain content | 17:32 |
| mhayden | yes, it's ansible | 17:32 |
| mhayden | meant to go hand in hand with openstack-ansible | 17:32 |
| dg__ | good work | 17:32 |
| tmcpeak | cool, Ansible seems perfect for this | 17:32 |
| mhayden | currently, it's in a WIP state with maybe 80 controls left to assess out of 270-ish total | 17:32 |
| Michaelxin | Cool | 17:32 |
| bknudson | is there any testing implemented for this? | 17:32 |
| mhayden | translating RHEL 6 STIGs into Ubuntu 14.04 is... interesting | 17:32 |
| bknudson | as in, something that checks the system after it's deployed | 17:32 |
| mhayden | bknudson: the idea is to make a XCCDF for OpenSCAP | 17:32 |
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| tmcpeak | mhayden: yeah, for sure, I bet that's time consuming | 17:33 |
| tmcpeak | have you had any that just don't translate | 17:33 |
| tmcpeak | ? | 17:33 |
| bknudson | ah, alphabet soup | 17:33 |
| mhayden | putting enterprise security around Ubuntu 14.04 is a bit like putting a sweater on a cat -- you know it can be done, but you will get scratched in the process :) | 17:33 |
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| mhayden | tmcpeak: yes, some don't translate | 17:33 |
| mhayden | there are docs for each and every change made | 17:33 |
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| mhayden | http://openstack-ansible-security.readthedocs.org/en/latest/ | 17:33 |
| hyakuhei | mhayden: how much of that is 14.04 _specific_ or just dealing with more general Ubuntu idiosyncracies? | 17:34 |
| mhayden | (there will be a formal home for those docs soon) | 17:34 |
| tmcpeak | this looks like a ton of work | 17:34 |
| fungi | i have a feeling there's also some missing coverage when translated to a new platform with different defaults | 17:34 |
| hyakuhei | +1 | 17:34 |
| mhayden | hyakuhei: Ubuntu 14.04 specific for now, because that's what openstack-ansible supports :( | 17:34 |
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| tmcpeak | mhayden: just two of you working on it? | 17:34 |
| mhayden | fungi: very true -- those are tough to catch but the STIG is quite comprehensive | 17:34 |
| mhayden | tmcpeak: mainly met at the moment, but i have some help from a coworker occasionally | 17:35 |
| mhayden | he's tasked with some other things | 17:35 |
| tmcpeak | I really like this idea | 17:35 |
| hyakuhei | Very interesting, I don’t have any ansible experience. Not sure what the rest of the team is like. | 17:35 |
| mhayden | general process going forward: 1) get all the controls in there, 2) refactor where it makes sense, 3) get some kind of auditing | 17:35 |
| tmcpeak | I'm personally interested in helping with this, and I suspect others here might be too | 17:35 |
| Michaelxin | My team can help. Major. | 17:35 |
| mhayden | one idea is to do ansible-playbook with -C for auditing | 17:35 |
| hyakuhei | Well, not a lot of hands-on. I’d like to upskill on it too | 17:35 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: Ansible is worth learning for sure | 17:36 |
| mhayden | the biggest help i need now is on reviews | 17:36 |
| Michaelxin | +1 | 17:36 |
| mhayden | to ensure i'm meeting the spec of the STIG properly | 17:36 |
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| mhayden | or documenting the exceptions well enough | 17:36 |
| tmcpeak | mhayden: I'll carve a few hours to work on this | 17:36 |
| mhayden | i hope to have the remainig controls into the repo by next wed | 17:36 |
| tmcpeak | please add me to any reviews that could use help | 17:36 |
| yaya | happy to help mhayden | 17:36 |
| mhayden | or at least proposed | 17:37 |
| mhayden | thanks, everyone! | 17:37 |
| hyakuhei | tmcpeak: I have a working knowledge for auditing things but don’t want other people to have to rely on my recipies … | 17:37 |
| mhayden | reviews remaining-> https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/openstack-ansible-security,n,z | 17:37 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei ;) | 17:37 |
| bknudson | this is great | 17:37 |
| mhayden | there's a push to get OSAD possibly onto Fedora/RHEL/CentOS from what i hear | 17:37 |
| mhayden | so that could expand the role a bit | 17:37 |
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| mhayden | since no stig exists for RHEL/CentOS 7 | 17:37 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah I think it’s going to be super useful. What project is the repo under at the moment ? | 17:37 |
| mhayden | hyakuhei: https://github.com/openstack/openstack-ansible-security | 17:38 |
| tmcpeak | mhayden: I will take a crack on these tomorrow morning | 17:38 |
| mhayden | it's a child under openstack-ansible | 17:38 |
| mhayden | tmcpeak: many thanks! | 17:38 |
| tmcpeak | mhayden: thanks for getting this going, and open source | 17:38 |
| tmcpeak | this will be really valuable for security | 17:38 |
| mhayden | no problem | 17:38 |
| browne | very interesting | 17:38 |
| mhayden | we tried to do CIS, but that kinda fell apart due to licensing + terms of use :/ | 17:38 |
| hyakuhei | tmcpeak: This might make another interesting article | 17:38 |
| elmiko | tmcpeak: +1 | 17:38 |
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| hyakuhei | mhayden: I meant more in terms of http://governance.openstack.org/reference/projects/index.html | 17:38 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: +1 | 17:38 |
| mhayden | hyakuhei: openstackansible | 17:39 |
| hyakuhei | ah sorry I see above it’s under openstack-ansible :) | 17:39 |
| bknudson | sorry, no security, need a license for that | 17:39 |
| mhayden | that's okay -- i'm typing fast! :) | 17:39 |
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| mhayden | i sent mail to legal-discuss about CIS and discussed it with CIS directly -- sounds like a no-go | 17:39 |
| hyakuhei | So I think we’re all agreed this is exciting stuff | 17:39 |
| tmcpeak | this seems fairly labor intensive, but once we have it should be hugely beneficial for everyone | 17:39 |
| hyakuhei | :( | 17:39 |
| mhayden | awesome | 17:39 |
| elmiko | hyakuhei++ | 17:39 |
| mhayden | well hopefully i can join the meeting next week and report some nifty progress ;) | 17:39 |
| mhayden | thank y'all for the time during your meeting | 17:39 |
| hyakuhei | I wonder what the matintainence / testing burden wil lbe like | 17:40 |
| elmiko | thanks for the intro mhayden =) | 17:40 |
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| mhayden | de nada :) | 17:40 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: I could see setting up automation for testing easily | 17:40 |
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| tmcpeak | the big thing is going to be absorbing new OS and stigs | 17:40 |
| mhayden | tmcpeak: current openstack-ansible PTL has a review in with os-infra for automated testing | 17:40 |
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| tmcpeak | mhayden: oh awesome, way ahead already then :) | 17:40 |
| hyakuhei | cool | 17:41 |
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| Michaelxin | +1 | 17:41 |
| mhayden | tmcpeak: odyssey4me gets the credit there ;) | 17:41 |
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| hyakuhei | Ok, I think we need to press on | 17:41 |
| bknudson | I change my vote from this is "great" to this is "awesome" | 17:41 |
| mhayden | haha thanks, bknudson | 17:41 |
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| elmiko | lol, nice bknudson | 17:41 |
| hyakuhei | Thank you mhayden - extremely interesting work! | 17:41 |
| tmcpeak | lol | 17:41 |
| mhayden | you're welcome | 17:41 |
| tmcpeak | yeah good stuff | 17:41 |
| tmcpeak | looking forward to getting involved in this | 17:42 |
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| hyakuhei | #topic Bandit | 17:42 |
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| hyakuhei | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/bandit+status:open,n,z | 17:42 |
| tmcpeak | tkelsey: roll it | 17:42 |
| hyakuhei | tmcpeak tkelsey | 17:42 |
| tmcpeak | we're looking to push a new version like… now | 17:42 |
| tmcpeak | 0.14.0 | 17:42 |
| tmcpeak | scrambling to get docs and other outstanding changes and bug fixes | 17:42 |
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| tmcpeak | once those are done (hopefully tomorrow) I'll run through testing using our new tool | 17:42 |
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| tmcpeak | then push 0.14.0 | 17:43 |
| elmiko | nice | 17:43 |
| tkelsey | hey | 17:43 |
| tkelsey | sorry | 17:43 |
| tmcpeak | there he is | 17:43 |
| elmiko | tkelsey, coding in the other conference room as usual? ;) | 17:44 |
| tkelsey | yeah im pushing on docs to get as muh in for a version we plan to roll tomorrow | 17:44 |
| tkelsey | elmiko: lol :) | 17:44 |
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| hyakuhei | Cool, anything else ? | 17:44 |
| tkelsey | we have a lot of stuff building up, so now is a good time to push a new version, we have just been waiting on the docs really | 17:44 |
| hyakuhei | (We’ve got a lot of agenda to run through thanks to the spirited Killick debate and the ansible awesomeness) | 17:45 |
| hyakuhei | I guess that’s that for Bandit? | 17:46 |
| tmcpeak | that should be about it | 17:46 |
| tmcpeak | roll it ;) | 17:46 |
| hyakuhei | cool :) | 17:46 |
| tkelsey | yup thats it | 17:46 |
| hyakuhei | #topic OSSN | 17:46 |
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| hyakuhei | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/security-doc,n,z | 17:46 |
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| hyakuhei | Not too many left open now (that’s the whole security doc project, wasn’t sure how to filter it) | 17:46 |
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| browne | OSSN-0057 could use some love | 17:46 |
| hyakuhei | In the interests of time I’ll just say please take a look through over coffee and see if anything obviously needs a -/+1 | 17:47 |
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| hyakuhei | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/219901/ | 17:47 |
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| elmiko | browne: ack, added to the queue ;) | 17:47 |
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| hyakuhei | thanks browne I’ll take a look tomorrow too | 17:47 |
| hyakuhei | sicarie: Anything to report on dox? | 17:47 |
| hyakuhei | Hmm, I guess not (good time-saving skills!) | 17:48 |
| sicarie | We've identified the case studies and the security checklists as our "must-have's" before the Tokyo summit | 17:48 |
| sicarie | Sorry, was typing | 17:48 |
| sicarie | I think compute is pretty much updated | 17:48 |
| hyakuhei | oh cool | 17:48 |
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| sicarie | And I'll be messing with rst2pdf for the week before the summit, try to get the leaf version out around that time | 17:48 |
| hyakuhei | Sounds great! | 17:49 |
| hyakuhei | Right guys, I’m going to move to the most important thing next because we need to discuss or at least start to discuss | 17:49 |
| hyakuhei | #topic SummitSched | 17:49 |
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| hyakuhei | Please take a look at #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-mikata-scheduling | 17:49 |
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| hyakuhei | Add your name at the bottom of you’re going to be in Tokyo and add a suggestion for fishbowl/worksessions | 17:50 |
| hyakuhei | I’ve added would-attend too so you can “vote” | 17:50 |
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| hyakuhei | basically put your name against anything you think is a good idea | 17:51 |
| tmcpeak | I'm tempted to get one of those hokey telepresence robots and terrorize the security fishbowls | 17:51 |
| hyakuhei | tmcpeak: excellent contribution :P | 17:51 |
| tmcpeak | lol | 17:51 |
| fungi | you can always do that whether or not you also attend | 17:51 |
| fungi | (might be a novel way to multi-task several sessions simultaneously) | 17:52 |
| tmcpeak | +1 | 17:52 |
| hyakuhei | yeah | 17:52 |
| hyakuhei | you don’t have to be going to mark “would attend” next to things :) | 17:52 |
| hyakuhei | It’s just a +1 field basically | 17:52 |
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| bknudson | does this etherpad also include the vmt? there's usually a session for vmt discussion | 17:53 |
| hyakuhei | So please, especially if you’re going. Make suggestions, I want to get them into the planner by the end of this week. Where there are obvious choices I’ll make them. Where there aren’t we’ll discuss on the ML prior | 17:53 |
| hyakuhei | bknudson: There should definitely be some VMT space there. I’m presuming fishbowl is the preferred option @fungi | 17:53 |
| hyakuhei | Although the last session would have fit in a workroom fine | 17:53 |
| hyakuhei | I think there are some spare workrooms we can request if required | 17:54 |
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| michaelxin2 | will we have IRC room open for people not in Tokyo? | 17:54 |
| bknudson | I hear the workrooms are pretty small this time, 8-10 | 17:54 |
| hyakuhei | michaelxin2: #openstack-securty? | 17:54 |
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| tristanC | hyakuhei: bknudson: it seems like vmt might share the room with stable release session | 17:54 |
| fungi | hyakuhei: we chatted amongst the vmt and are content to wrap those discussions up in other sessions or punt to the ml | 17:54 |
| tristanC | or that :) | 17:55 |
| hyakuhei | So long as you’re sure, we’re happy to give time over to VMT activities, they’re pretty critical] | 17:55 |
| hyakuhei | hey tristanC :) | 17:55 |
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| fungi | a lot of what we've discussed in past vmt summit sessions have been redundant with or closely linked to stable branch management discussions anyway | 17:55 |
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| fungi | but i could see it also possibly fitting into the "how should the project serve the community" session or something | 17:55 |
| hyakuhei | ok great | 17:56 |
| elmiko | hyakuhei: i like "Re-entrant policy management for on-cloud applications" good name ;) | 17:56 |
| fungi | the vmt has been making pretty steady progress on transparency without needing to hold discussion to the summit anyway | 17:56 |
| hyakuhei | We’re running out of time, please do suggest sessions peoples (It’s hard with the asian conferences because a lot fewer devs/cores will be there) | 17:56 |
| bknudson | is there any specific vmt work that we could maybe make progress on in a workroom? e.g., docs | 17:56 |
| hyakuhei | elmiko: You write the slides, leave the snazzy naming to me ;) | 17:56 |
| tmcpeak | lol | 17:57 |
| elmiko | lol | 17:57 |
| michaelxin2 | Do we have flyer for OpenStack Security Group? | 17:57 |
| fungi | bknudson: maybe, but most of that we hack on all cycle so i wouldn't want to take up a workroom slot if there's something else worthshilw | 17:57 |
| michaelxin2 | if yes, we can handle out for some conference here. | 17:57 |
| hyakuhei | michaelxin2: Nope, we have a deck though :) | 17:57 |
| fungi | er, worthwhile | 17:57 |
| hyakuhei | That’s an interesting idea | 17:57 |
| hyakuhei | I like that a lot | 17:57 |
| tmcpeak | +1 | 17:57 |
| hyakuhei | We can get them out on the security track | 17:57 |
| tmcpeak | great idea | 17:58 |
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| hyakuhei | Anyone got a pet graphic designer? | 17:58 |
| hyakuhei | ML discussion I guess | 17:58 |
| hyakuhei | Lets wrap before the hard stop so the next guys can start on time | 17:58 |
| tmcpeak | ok, good stuff today | 17:58 |
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| hyakuhei | Thank you everyone, especially VMT folks and mhayden | 17:58 |
| hyakuhei | #endmeeting | 17:58 |
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| michaelxin2 | thanks. | 17:58 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 8 17:58:40 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2015/security.2015-10-08-17.00.html | 17:58 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2015/security.2015-10-08-17.00.txt | 17:58 |
| tmcpeak | o/ laters | 17:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2015/security.2015-10-08-17.00.log.html | 17:58 |
| elmiko | thanks all! | 17:58 |
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| sriram | #startmeeting poppy | 19:13 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 8 19:13:45 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sriram. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:13 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: poppy)" | 19:13 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'poppy' | 19:13 |
| malini | hola! | 19:13 |
| cathR_afk | o/ | 19:13 |
| sriram | cathR_afk: always on tme!! | 19:14 |
| sriram | :) | 19:14 |
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| sriram | *time | 19:14 |
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| sriram | sorry for being late folks | 19:14 |
| malini | no worries ;) | 19:14 |
| tonytan4ever | o/ | 19:14 |
| sriram | #topic Review last week's action items | 19:15 |
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| sriram | #action amitgandhinz to resurrect https://review.openstack.org/143192 | 19:15 |
| sriram | well that is carried over. | 19:16 |
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| sriram | #topic Liberty-3 updates | 19:17 |
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| sriram | https://launchpad.net/poppy/+milestone/liberty-3 | 19:18 |
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| sriram | I think all of the blueprints remain pretty much at the same state. | 19:19 |
| tonytan4ever | Agreed | 19:19 |
| sriram | tonytan4ever: any updates here https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/akamai-ssl-driver | 19:19 |
| tonytan4ever | Nah, I would leave it in in Good Progress state. | 19:19 |
| sriram | cool | 19:20 |
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| sriram | I think all the rest remain in the same state, is miqui around? | 19:20 |
| sriram | ok, his blueprint also remains in pretty much the same state. | 19:20 |
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| sriram | tonytan4ever: you had an action to look at fastly, maxcdn's ip restriction spec? | 19:21 |
| tonytan4ever | Yes. | 19:21 |
| sriram | did you find anything interesting? | 19:21 |
| tonytan4ever | Fastly does support ipv4 and ipv6 CIDR | 19:21 |
| tonytan4ever | Haven't found much information about MaxCDN | 19:22 |
| sriram | awesome, and I see you added that functionality for the akamai provider as well. | 19:22 |
| sriram | thanks | 19:22 |
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| tonytan4ever | Cool | 19:23 |
| sriram | alright. | 19:23 |
| sriram | #topic Action Items | 19:23 |
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| sriram | Everyone to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/224955/ | 19:24 |
| sriram | Everyone to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/227009/ | 19:24 |
| tonytan4ever | Now it needs re-review as it went thru merge conflict | 19:24 |
| sriram | malini: ^ | 19:24 |
| malini | will do | 19:24 |
| sriram | alright | 19:25 |
| sriram | #topic Open Discussion | 19:25 |
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| sriram | anyone have anything to discuss? | 19:25 |
| malini | none from me | 19:25 |
| cathR | same here | 19:25 |
| tonytan4ever | I am good. | 19:26 |
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| sriram | alright see ya folks | 19:26 |
| sriram | until next time. | 19:26 |
| sriram | #endmeeting poppy | 19:26 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 8 19:26:50 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:26 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy/2015/poppy.2015-10-08-19.13.html | 19:26 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy/2015/poppy.2015-10-08-19.13.txt | 19:26 |
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