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| sgordon | #startmeeting telcowg | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 17 14:00:44 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sgordon. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: telcowg)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'telcowg' | 14:00 |
| jaypipes | o/ morning | 14:00 |
| sgordon | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nfv-meeting-agenda | 14:00 |
| sgordon | #topic roll call | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: telcowg)" | 14:00 | |
| sgordon | \o/ | 14:00 |
| adrian-hoban | Hello | 14:01 |
| cloudon | hi | 14:01 |
| jaypipes | \_o_/ | 14:01 |
| pcarver | hi | 14:01 |
| bryan_att | Hi | 14:01 |
| sgordon | #topic open reviews | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open reviews (Meeting topic: telcowg)" | 14:01 | |
| sgordon | soo the only thing that i think has been updated in the last week is the workflow proposal | 14:01 |
| sgordon | #link https://review.openstack.org/178347 | 14:02 |
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| sgordon | #info workflow proposal updated to incorporate feedback | 14:02 |
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| sgordon | i updated it this AM to try and incorporate all the feedback on it | 14:02 |
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| jaypipes | cool, thank you steve | 14:02 |
| sgordon | #action steveg to fix markup issues | 14:02 |
| sgordon | looks like i still have some RST gremlins to correct, i will look at that straight after the meeting | 14:02 |
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| jaypipes | sure, np | 14:03 |
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| sgordon | #info session border controller updates awaiting feedback | 14:03 |
| sgordon | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/176301/ | 14:03 |
| sgordon | cloudon had updated this one but looks like no positive/negative feedback as yet | 14:03 |
| cloudon | all feedback welcome | 14:03 |
| cloudon | though positive more so than negative | 14:04 |
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| sgordon | #info vnf bring-up use case awaiting feedback | 14:04 |
| sgordon | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190080/ | 14:04 |
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| sgordon | and similarly with the above review created out of the working group session we had at summit | 14:04 |
| sgordon | does anyone know ralf trezeciak's irc nick? | 14:05 |
| jaypipes | no, sorry I don't | 14:05 |
| sgordon | i ask because.... | 14:05 |
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| sgordon | #info service chaining use case likely needs to be iterated upon in response to feedback | 14:06 |
| sgordon | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/169201/ | 14:06 |
| sgordon | only 60 odd comments to keep him busy ;) | 14:06 |
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| jaypipes | heh, yeah | 14:07 |
| sgordon | #info virtual IMS core use case has some inline feedback to action | 14:07 |
| sgordon | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/179142/ | 14:07 |
| sgordon | cloudon, ^ happy if i give that AI to you | 14:07 |
| cloudon | yup, will do | 14:08 |
| sgordon | #action cloudon to integrate virtual IMS core feedback | 14:08 |
| sgordon | matrohon, are you around? | 14:09 |
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| sgordon | #info BGP based IP VPNs attachment use case | 14:10 |
| sgordon | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/171680/2 | 14:10 |
| sgordon | #undo | 14:10 |
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| sgordon | #info BGP based IP VPNs attachment use case has inline feedback for action | 14:10 |
| sgordon | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/171680/2 | 14:10 |
| sgordon | #action matrohon integrate feedback for BGP based IP VPNs attachment use case | 14:10 |
| sgordon | something i wanted to raise, as i go through these | 14:10 |
| sgordon | as we probably need to get away from using the abbreviations in the naming of these | 14:11 |
| sgordon | assuming that at least some reviewers arent going to actually know what is meant until we explain it in the spec text | 14:11 |
| sgordon | s/spec/use cases/ | 14:11 |
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| sgordon | #info sgordon raises concern about use of abbreviations in use case proposal titles | 14:12 |
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| * sgordon takes silence as overwhelming agreement | 14:14 | |
| sgordon | ;) | 14:14 |
| sgordon | #topic open discussion | 14:14 |
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| sgordon | alright, does anyone have anything else they would like to raise this week | 14:15 |
| sgordon | i really want to get the workflow thing nailed down asap so we can put one of these through it | 14:15 |
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| sgordon | well then ;) | 14:17 |
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| bryan_att | sgordon, this looks really useful to help people get engaged. i'll take a look and comment. | 14:17 |
| sgordon | bryan_att, thanks muchly | 14:17 |
| * sgordon will leave the meeting open another minute or two in case anyone else pops their head up | 14:17 | |
| adrian-hoban | sgordon: Just looked through the workflow again | 14:19 |
| matrohon | hi | 14:19 |
| adrian-hoban | Should it include some of the process differences between projects? E.g. Neutron RFE? | 14:20 |
| sgordon | i dont believe so | 14:20 |
| sgordon | the intent is simply to maintain a bug tracking the relevant artifacts in the other projects | 14:20 |
| sgordon | be they bug, blueprint, spec, rfe, napkin, etc. | 14:20 |
| sgordon | we just wanted a way to link everything being done to the relevant gap and vice versa | 14:21 |
| adrian-hoban | ok | 14:22 |
| bryan_att | sgordon: one question. the workflow says to use "git commit" should that be "git commit --signoff" (do you require this flag)? | 14:22 |
| sgordon | we do not | 14:23 |
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| bryan_att | do you require anything special in the commit message? | 14:24 |
| sgordon | we do require a Change-ID | 14:24 |
| bryan_att | but no issue reference, e.g. from Jira? | 14:25 |
| sgordon | not in these use case submissions | 14:25 |
| sgordon | other projects like e.g. nova may require it | 14:25 |
| sgordon | though typically it's not an absolute requirement, but highly recommended | 14:25 |
| bryan_att | are the use cases rendered somewhere, e.g. to review them in html output form? | 14:26 |
| sgordon | i guess we could make it an expectation that the person proposing the use case also raise the initial tracker bug | 14:26 |
| sgordon | not currently | 14:26 |
| sgordon | mkoderer was looking into doing that with infra | 14:26 |
| sgordon | similar to how specs.openstack.org is rendered | 14:26 |
| bryan_att | i'm working on a webapp to allow editors to review their changes for correct syntax and presentation etc, this is for OPNFV but may be useful to others | 14:27 |
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| bryan_att | i will share when its ready | 14:27 |
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| sgordon | kk | 14:29 |
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| sgordon | alrighty | 14:30 |
| sgordon | let's wrap it up then | 14:30 |
| sgordon | thanks all for your time | 14:30 |
| sgordon | #endmeeting | 14:30 |
| adrian-hoban | Thanks | 14:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 17 14:30:17 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2015/telcowg.2015-06-17-14.00.html | 14:30 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2015/telcowg.2015-06-17-14.00.txt | 14:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2015/telcowg.2015-06-17-14.00.log.html | 14:30 |
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| Sukhdev | Hello ML2 foks | 15:59 |
| rkukura | hi | 15:59 |
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| asomya | hello | 16:00 |
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| Sukhdev | lets give a sec for others to join in | 16:01 |
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| Sukhdev | Lets get started | 16:02 |
| yamahata | hello | 16:02 |
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| Sukhdev | #startmeeting networking_ml2 | 16:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 17 16:02:27 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Sukhdev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_ml2' | 16:02 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: Agenda | 16:02 |
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| Sukhdev | #link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2 | 16:02 |
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| Sukhdev | Anybody wants to add anything to agenda? | 16:03 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Announcements: | 16:03 |
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| Sukhdev | If any of you interested in VLAN aware VMs topic - they had their meeting yesterday | 16:04 |
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| Sukhdev | Did anybody here attended the meeting? | 16:04 |
| rkukura | Wanted to, but couldn’t attend. Will read the minutes. | 16:05 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: me too, but, fell asleep :-) | 16:05 |
| Sukhdev | Another announcement - if anybody is interested in L2 GW topic, next meeting is on 6/22 (next Monday) | 16:06 |
| Sukhdev | at 10am PT at #openstack-meeting-4 | 16:06 |
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| Sukhdev | Next one - is anybody is interested in Ironic-Neutron integration topic, next meeting is on 6/22 (next monday) | 16:07 |
| Sukhdev | at 9am PT at #openstack-meeting-4 | 16:07 |
| Sukhdev | Any other announcement? | 16:08 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: Action Items from previous week(s) | 16:08 |
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| Sukhdev | banix: are you here? | 16:08 |
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| banix | Sukhdev: hi | 16:09 |
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| Sukhdev | banix: was going to discuss ML2 Agent | 16:09 |
| banix | I haven’t followed up on the mailing list I am afraid. | 16:09 |
| Sukhdev | banix: want to provide any update - if you have one? | 16:09 |
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| banix | I am sorry for missing this AI. Will do so today. | 16:09 |
| Sukhdev | banix: thanks | 16:10 |
| Sukhdev | next item | 16:10 |
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| Sukhdev | asomya | 16:10 |
| Sukhdev | shivharris does not seem to be here | 16:10 |
| Sukhdev | asomya: want to give any update? | 16:10 |
| Sukhdev | on physical topology topic | 16:11 |
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| Sukhdev | asomya: are you here? | 16:12 |
| asomya | Sukhdev: Shiv and i have fleshed out the proposal a lot more last week | 16:12 |
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| Sukhdev | asomya: are you in a position to share? | 16:12 |
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| asomya | we jsut have a few more things to add to it and we should be ready to post something in a week or so | 16:12 |
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| Sukhdev | asomya: cool - sounds promising….look forward to it | 16:13 |
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| Sukhdev | Manish does not seem to be here | 16:13 |
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| Sukhdev | Manish posted some possible dates for the ML2 sprint | 16:14 |
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| Sukhdev | I can make most of those dates | 16:14 |
| Sukhdev | how about others | 16:14 |
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| Sukhdev | asomya: rkukura : you mentioned you could make it | 16:15 |
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| rkukura | I can make July 13-15 or I think any of the September dates. Is August out? | 16:15 |
| asomya | I can make July 13th | 16:15 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: looks like August is out - as he did not propose any date in August | 16:16 |
| rkukura | September seems kind of late to get this merged in libery. When is liberty-3? | 16:16 |
| Sukhdev | So, shall we pick July 13 week? | 16:16 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: here is schedule - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Liberty_Release_Schedule | 16:17 |
| rkukura | Week fo 7/13 sounds good to me. | 16:17 |
| Sukhdev | L3 - first week of sept - so, yes, too late :-) | 16:18 |
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| rkukura | This will have the most value of vendors have time to update their drivers to take advantage of it. | 16:18 |
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| rkukura | So lets do 7/13. | 16:18 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: can you follow up with Manish to nail down 7/13? | 16:18 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: sure | 16:18 |
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| Sukhdev | #action: rkukura to finalize the date of ML2 mid-cycle sprint with manishg | 16:19 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: you may want to set up an etherpad for this as well | 16:20 |
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| rkukura | yes, and I’ll see if Cisco can host it | 16:20 |
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| Sukhdev | Next question is - do we limit it to Task Flow or add Physical Topology as well? | 16:20 |
| Sukhdev | asomya: will you be ready to a point that we can include physical topology in this sprint? | 16:21 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: when you nail down the details with manish, can you work out if it is at Cisco or Yahoo? | 16:22 |
| asomya | suklhdev: yeah we will be ready by then | 16:22 |
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| rkukura | Combining these sounds good - we can split into teams for each, but help each other out as needed | 16:22 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: so in that case, perhaps having both topics may be a good idea | 16:23 |
| Sukhdev | I could potentially pull one more guy from Arista to help out as well | 16:23 |
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| rkukura | I’ll include both in the etherpad, and we’ll get people to sign up indicating which they are interested in working on | 16:24 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: good idea | 16:24 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: Neutron mid-cycle sprint | 16:25 |
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| Sukhdev | There are two neutron mid-cycle sprints | 16:25 |
| Sukhdev | The one next week is more general and the later one is focused only on QoS | 16:25 |
| rkukura | Three, if you include the one we are planning! | 16:25 |
| Sukhdev | Next week is in Ft. Collins | 16:26 |
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| Sukhdev | Are any of you going there? | 16:26 |
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| Sukhdev | #link: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-liberty-mid-cycle | 16:26 |
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| Sukhdev | I will be attending for 2 days | 16:26 |
| amotoki_ | unfortunately i cant. | 16:26 |
| rkukura | I haven’t been planing to go, but might try. | 16:27 |
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| Sukhdev | amotoki_: it is usually a lot of fun, and very productive - much more than summits | 16:27 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: you should | 16:27 |
| Sukhdev | This means I will not be joining this meeting next week - | 16:28 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: it will be on you - :-) | 16:28 |
| rkukura | What is intended by “reference plugin decomp”? | 16:28 |
| rkukura | Is this moving ML2 and/or the L2 agents to a separate git repo? | 16:28 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: this is the one I am going for | 16:29 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: yes | 16:29 |
| Sukhdev | banix: if you can make it, it may be of interest to you as well | 16:29 |
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| rkukura | Any idea what is planned for “get me a network”? | 16:29 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: no - there was a session at summit, I could not make it | 16:30 |
| banix | Sukhdev: unfortunately cannot make it | 16:30 |
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| Sukhdev | banix: understandable | 16:30 |
| amotoki_ | we (except me) will have more concrete plan for "get me a network". | 16:30 |
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| amotoki_ | are you aware a spec summarying the summit discussion? | 16:31 |
| banix | rkukura: Sukhdev the idea about give me a network is providing a simpler one step thing to get a VM connected | 16:31 |
| rkukura | amotoki: I’m not | 16:31 |
| banix | amotoki: yes there is one | 16:31 |
| banix | let me find it | 16:31 |
| amotoki_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/184857/ | 16:31 |
| rkukura | We tried that with GBP ;) | 16:31 |
| banix | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/184857/ | 16:32 |
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| banix | this is not really a spec; just summarizing what happened in that session | 16:32 |
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| banix | but gives you the general idea | 16:32 |
| Sukhdev | sounds like a very interesting topic - | 16:33 |
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| Sukhdev | I had a conflict during summit and hence, missed that session | 16:33 |
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| banix | mainly asked by users and those coming from nova-network | 16:33 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: it will be your opportunity to find out the details if you go there - :-) | 16:33 |
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| Sukhdev | banix: this may be interesting for Ironic as well | 16:34 |
| rkukura | GBP already does most of this (creating networks, subnets, routers, …) - would just need better integration with nova | 16:34 |
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| Sukhdev | amotoki: does it use ML2 Plugin - just the front end simpler, is that the idea? | 16:35 |
| banix | Sukhdev and rkukura: yes | 16:35 |
| amotoki_ | the basic idea is that a user want not to take care of network. | 16:35 |
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| banix | Sukhdev: any plugin should potentially be able to serve this new api | 16:36 |
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| amotoki_ | users just want VMs :-) | 16:36 |
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| amotoki_ | the ml2 plugin can support it, but it is not clear yet about which component/layer should take care of it. | 16:36 |
| rkukura | Is the idea that if no —nic params are passed to nova, it would use this new neutron API to set everything up? | 16:36 |
| banix | Sukhdev: i dont think there are any concrete plans as to how to implement it. afaik just at discussion stage | 16:37 |
| banix | rkukura: that could be one way of getting there | 16:37 |
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| amotoki_ | not sure we have a new neturon API or not. one option is that nova compute netwokr api does, and the other is Neutron supports it. | 16:37 |
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| amotoki_ | all are under discussion. | 16:38 |
| Sukhdev | In that case, it would be good to participate/discuss this at the sprint | 16:38 |
| amotoki_ | you can chime in :-) | 16:38 |
| rkukura | amotoki_: makes sense | 16:38 |
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| Sukhdev | amotoki_: so, some kind of policy will dictate (when a VM wants to be connected to a network) as to which network to pick/create | 16:39 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: That’s how group-based-policy works :) | 16:40 |
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| amotoki_ | In the summit discussion we mainly focused on the case where a user have no network and how we can do for it. | 16:40 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: yup - that would be my guess - otherwise, I do not know how will one determine which network to use | 16:41 |
| amotoki_ | and we can support some policy or series of provisioning as Sukhdev mentioned above. | 16:41 |
| rkukura | Sounds like some interesting dicussion, but maybe not ready for a code sprint next week - we’ll see | 16:41 |
| banix | Sukhdev: one possibility is creating one automatically for the tenant; i guess another possibility is using a shared network.... | 16:42 |
| Sukhdev | I am thinking they might discuss the design of this - not implementation | 16:42 |
| Sukhdev | banix: both are kind of restrictive - | 16:42 |
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| banix | Sukhdev: all current options remain; this will be something additional for simple use cases mainly | 16:43 |
| amotoki_ | this operators ML thread may be interesting to you all: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2015-June/007388.html | 16:43 |
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| Sukhdev | amotoki_: thanks for sharing it | 16:44 |
| banix | something to address the user/operators concern that Neutron is too complicated :) | 16:44 |
| Sukhdev | I guess next week will be enlightening :-) | 16:44 |
| amotoki_ | the thread discusses how users take care of networks. not many users want to take care of networks. | 16:44 |
| -amotoki_- don't know it is 90%? 70% 50%? :-) | 16:45 | |
| rkukura | Do these users want to control what VMs can talk to what VMs over what protocols? | 16:45 |
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| amotoki_ | they just want a network on which VMs can talks each other | 16:45 |
| amotoki_ | and FIP/SNAT works for them. | 16:46 |
| rkukura | So no security groups or anything like that even? | 16:46 |
| banix | rkukura: probably just having VMs internet connectivity or among themselves would do for some | 16:46 |
| amotoki_ | rkukura: I think they want just the early phase of EC2, not Amazon VPS. | 16:46 |
| Sukhdev | banix: so, this is not for enterprise customers | 16:46 |
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| banix | rkukura: if any, probably with some sensible defaults | 16:47 |
| amotoki_ | it is one of typical OpenStack use cases. | 16:47 |
| banix | Sukhdev: well, i think it could be. as long as the connectivity and isolation is provided by default they will be ok | 16:47 |
| banix | Sukhdev: perhaps for small enterprises :) | 16:48 |
| rkukura | banix: both connectivity and isolation? | 16:48 |
| Sukhdev | banix: I am lost about isolation - how can that be guaranteed in this model? | 16:48 |
| banix | rkukura: connectivity for a given tenant (among his/her VMs) and isolation among tenants | 16:48 |
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| rkukura | banix: I see | 16:48 |
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| banix | a tenant comes in say i need 10 VMs. | 16:49 |
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| Sukhdev | banix: so, this is a network/tenant model - now I get it | 16:49 |
| banix | that implies those 10 VMs get connected to each other and the internet and that’s the end of it | 16:49 |
| banix | that is my understanding; amotoki can correct me if not correct | 16:49 |
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| amotoki_ | they don't need complex network topology. one isolated tenant network works for them. | 16:49 |
| amotoki_ | banix: i believe we are in the same page. | 16:50 |
| Sukhdev | I think now I am on the same page as well - I was missing this angle - i.e. one network per tenant | 16:50 |
| banix | Sukhdev: yeah, but that one network gets created automatically like gbp does for example…. another option is using the shared network but that is for even more limited cases i would think | 16:51 |
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| banix | no need to do create network, create router, set interface, gateway, etc | 16:52 |
| banix | explicitly by user that is | 16:52 |
| rkukura | I think GBP has at least proven that these things can all get done implicitly | 16:52 |
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| banix | rkukura: i think you should bring that to the table whether at the sprint or through mailing list | 16:53 |
| amotoki_ | I am not familiar with the current status of GBP. If you already have it, it might be a good candidate. | 16:53 |
| Sukhdev | This is interesting - more and more I understand, I am liking it :-):-) | 16:53 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: this discussion tells me your presence next will be very good - I mean at the sprint | 16:54 |
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| Sukhdev | s/next/next week | 16:54 |
| rkukura | I’ll try to make it happen | 16:54 |
| * Sukhdev 6 min left | 16:54 | |
| Sukhdev | anything else to discuss? | 16:54 |
| amotoki_ | btw, are there any prioritized spec reviews related to ML2 area? | 16:55 |
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| amotoki_ | I would like to review them. | 16:55 |
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| Sukhdev | amotoki_: I do not believe so - rkukura ? | 16:55 |
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| rkukura | I’m not aware of any ML2-specific specs in review right now | 16:56 |
| amotoki_ | Sukhdev: rkukura: thanks. | 16:56 |
| rkukura | We’ll need to do something for the topology and async efforts, but probably the new process. | 16:56 |
| -amotoki_- there are so many specs... | 16:56 | |
| rkukura | and for the modular agent | 16:57 |
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| Sukhdev | anything else? | 16:58 |
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| Sukhdev | I guess we are done 2 min ahead of schedule :-) | 16:58 |
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| Sukhdev | Thanks folks, this was a great discussion - rkukura will see you next week - if you make it | 16:58 |
| Sukhdev | bye | 16:58 |
| banix | bye | 16:59 |
| Sukhdev | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 17 16:59:01 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
| rkukura | bye | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2015/networking_ml2.2015-06-17-16.02.html | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2015/networking_ml2.2015-06-17-16.02.txt | 16:59 |
| amotoki_ | thanks all! | 16:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2015/networking_ml2.2015-06-17-16.02.log.html | 16:59 |
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| kiall | #startmeeting Designate | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 17 17:00:17 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kiall. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| kiall | Hey folks, who's around today? | 17:00 |
| timsim | o? | 17:00 |
| mlavalle | hi | 17:00 |
| elarson | o) | 17:00 |
| mugsie | o/ | 17:00 |
| jmcbride | o/ | 17:00 |
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| kiall | #topic Action Items | 17:01 |
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| kiall | two open, both on me, one done. | 17:01 |
| kiall | Update Neutron external DNS spec - done, will circle back | 17:01 |
| kiall | Write up DB rework - still on my TODO list, apologies. | 17:01 |
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| kiall | (It's been one of those weeks, barely been at my desk all week) | 17:02 |
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| kiall | Moving on quickly before I get lynched | 17:02 |
| kiall | #topic Bug triage (timsim - recurring) | 17:02 |
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| timsim | https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1463988 | 17:03 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1463988 in Designate "oslo.config version error in kilo" [Undecided,New] | 17:03 |
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| * timsim thinks this is related to that pbr thing. | 17:03 | |
| kiall | I tried to repro that and couldn't? Anyone else? | 17:03 |
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| timsim | I think pglass did | 17:04 |
| mugsie | timsim: i think you are right | 17:04 |
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| kiall | pglass: about? | 17:04 |
| timsim | Depending on the environment, that pbr business still pops up | 17:04 |
| pglass | yeah, the pbr thing pops up from time to time | 17:04 |
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| kiall | Oh, nice.. So it's one of those sometimes works sometimes fails? any clue what the trigger is? | 17:05 |
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| pglass | it should happen with stable/kilo all the time | 17:05 |
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| kiall | Oh, Humm.. Maybe I tested on the wrong branch.. If it's happening all the time, mark it High and we'll need to get it sorted soon :/ | 17:06 |
| timsim | I'll see if I can reproduce it again, and mark it. | 17:06 |
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| timsim | https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1464763 | 17:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1464763 in Designate "Incorrect status code on a PATCH /v2/pool/{id} ?" [Undecided,New] | 17:07 |
| kiall | thanks, trying again on stable/kilo myself too.. I must have used thw wrong branch. | 17:07 |
| pglass | there was a bug open for the pbr thing in heat, and someone working on solum here ran into that issue too | 17:07 |
| mugsie | l1, high - assign to me | 17:07 |
| kiall | I tend to just go with mugsie on (most) API things ;) | 17:07 |
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| kiall | pglass: any clue what the bug #'s were? if not, no worries | 17:08 |
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| mugsie | docs are right, code is wrong | 17:08 |
| pglass | It put the heat bug in a comment on ours: https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1461592 | 17:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1461592 in heat kilo "stable\kilo is broken due to version conflict error" [Critical,Triaged] - Assigned to Kairat Kushaev (kkushaev) | 17:08 |
| pglass | Idk if there are other bugs open | 17:08 |
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| timsim | Done mugsie | 17:08 |
| kiall | pglass: ah, perfect. | 17:09 |
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| kiall | timsim: thats the lot of new stuff to look at? | 17:09 |
| timsim | Yep. That's all | 17:10 |
| kiall | Cool, moving on so.. | 17:10 |
| kiall | #topic Summit Session Review | 17:10 |
| kiall | Almost done with this recurring topic ;) | 17:10 |
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| kiall | Neutron External Spec updated | 17:10 |
| kiall | #link http://docs-draft.openstack.org/24/88624/4/check/gate-neutron-specs-docs/36e883b//doc/build/html/specs/liberty/external-dns-resolution.html | 17:10 |
| kiall | and | 17:10 |
| mlavalle | kiall: thanks, I will take a look | 17:10 |
| kiall | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/88624/ | 17:11 |
| kiall | mlavalle: cool,there's a TODO in there around the network's new dns_domain property | 17:11 |
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| mlavalle | will look for it | 17:12 |
| kiall | That's listed as part of the external spec, but is it not needed by the internal spec too? | 17:12 |
| mlavalle | i'll take a look | 17:12 |
| kiall | K - let me know and I'll update :) | 17:12 |
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| kiall | Any progress on the nova/neutron-internal specs? Hopefully can get these landed soon :) | 17:13 |
| kiall | (specs, not code ;)) | 17:13 |
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| mlavalle | kiall: on the nova side I refresehd it and got a +1 | 17:14 |
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| mlavalle | so it is moving along | 17:14 |
| kiall | Sounds like the OpenStack specs process ;) | 17:14 |
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| mlavalle | on the neutron side https://review.openstack.org/#/c/88623/14 we got an objection on line 139 | 17:14 |
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| mlavalle | kiall: carl_baldwin and I would like you to comment on it | 17:15 |
| kiall | Okay, we should probably drop these on the Nova/Neutron weekly meet agends to see if we can move things forwards, assuming no negative reviews. | 17:15 |
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| kiall | mlavalle: ah, right.. Don't think I've been at my desk since you asked :) Will review right after this! | 17:15 |
| mlavalle | kiall: thanks | 17:15 |
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| mlavalle | kiall: the other thing is that since late last week I am already coding the neutron side | 17:16 |
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| mlavalle | making good progress, working right now on the db | 17:16 |
| kiall | Cool - looking forward to PS1 going up to test it out :) | 17:16 |
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| mlavalle | I want to push a WIP patchset this week to start getting early feedback | 17:16 |
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| kiall | Excellent, hopefully that will help ensure we have everything needed in the specs! | 17:17 |
| kiall | Anything else on Designate/Nova/Neutron specs? | 17:18 |
| mlavalle | nope, done | 17:18 |
| kiall | (as always, silence will mean agreement.. ) | 17:18 |
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| kiall | Okay - Another one, is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188018/ - Ceilometer / Metering integration. I'd like to get ekarlso started on this one next week.. (I don't think he's at the IRC meet, it's late for him) | 17:18 |
| mugsie | I think we are ikn good shape - that outstanding issue on the Nova one is the last hurdle for implemention | 17:19 |
| kiall | Any objections other than the couple of nits I added? If not, I'll fix the nits and ask Endre to get started next week...? | 17:19 |
| mugsie | if i find anything I will add it in the review later on | 17:20 |
| kiall | jmcbride - Just spotted your comment on it, the timers will be different for the different tasks, but I'll call that out explicitly | 17:20 |
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| timsim | I didn't see anything on my initial look, but I'll give it another look, I think it's fine. | 17:20 |
| kiall | Great, I'll push a nit-free version in the next few hours.. | 17:21 |
| kiall | Last spec I know of with open issues and (possibly) something to discuss is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188019/ - ALIAS records, and it's interaction with CDN's etc etc | 17:22 |
| kiall | timsim / jmcbride - did you guys come up with any possible solutions? | 17:22 |
| jmcbride | no, I think we still need some more time. | 17:22 |
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| timsim | No really good solutions :/ | 17:23 |
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| kiall | jmcbride: sure.. will leave it on back-burner for now | 17:23 |
| kiall | (we may have one, but I don't think I could coherently explain it right now) | 17:23 |
| kiall | (But - It doesn't really fix the issue for bind, only prevents having an API that doesn't work for bind) | 17:24 |
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| jmcbride | we'd love to here your approach - but if you'd prefer to draft it when you are "coherent", that would be great. | 17:24 |
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| mugsie | jmcbride: that doesnt happen very often | 17:25 |
| mugsie | more coherent is all we can hope for :) | 17:25 |
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| jmcbride | :) | 17:25 |
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| kiall | I haven't got it clear in my head (yet).. The gist of it is allowing backends to say 1) I support A, AAAA, but not ALIAS etc and 2) allowing backends to "override the implementation" of a given RRType. e.g. flattening would be enabled for bind, or ALIAS would be disabled. For PowerDNS, we'd AXFR the ALIAS right to the server and let it just do it, for Akamai style things - placement is limited, and setting an ALIAS would trigger an | 17:26 |
| kiall | API call to "do the right thing" via their APIs | 17:26 |
| kiall | But - As I said, it's A) still incoherent in my head.. and B) doesn't really solve it for bind, just leaves the door open for whatever solution is found | 17:27 |
| kiall | (I can see confused faces in Austin right now) | 17:28 |
| timsim | lol. It makes sense, but like you say, doesn't quite solve the issue for BIND | 17:28 |
| jmcbride | This sounds similar to that pluggable rr type note you mentioned previously. | 17:29 |
| mugsie | jmcbride: it is exactly that :) | 17:29 |
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| kiall | jmcbride: it is, the orignal pluggable rrtype idea was a tad more limited though.. this extends it from minor details like the list of supported RR types we allow, and how the render them, to "Oh, here's a whole bunch of code needed to make this RRType + Backend combination actually work" | 17:30 |
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| kiall | Anyway - For bind - I'm thinking the only real solution for ALIAS+CDN'd stuff is a patch along the lines of the bind GeoIP one - https://code.google.com/p/bind-geoip/ | 17:31 |
| kiall | They (eventually) took that in-tree, so something similar for ALIAS support might be accepted too.. | 17:32 |
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| timsim | Yeah one of the things we wanted to do was talk to ISC and get their thoughts. | 17:33 |
| jmcbride | great pointer, thanks | 17:33 |
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| kiall | Yea, that would be the ideal answer.. ISC probably know how to do it sanely in bind ;) | 17:33 |
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| kiall | #topic Open Discussion | 17:34 |
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| kiall | Since we're drifting in that direction anyway :) | 17:34 |
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| kiall | Anyone have any off-agenda items? | 17:34 |
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| timsim | I was able to reproduce the oslo config issue in stable/kilo just now | 17:35 |
| kiall | timsim: cool, any ideas if the fix Heat used works for us? | 17:36 |
| kiall | something along the lines of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/185287/ - somewhere.. | 17:36 |
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| timsim | Looked at that briefly, didn't see anything similar in Designate :/ | 17:37 |
| timsim | I'm sure I just missed it though | 17:37 |
| kiall | Heh, Okay.. Well - at least we know it's actually an issue :) Will try repro+fix when I get home | 17:37 |
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| kiall | Okay - Anything else before we call it a day? | 17:39 |
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| mugsie | nope, nothing from me | 17:39 |
| timsim | Not from me | 17:39 |
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| kiall | Okay, Let's call it so.. Thanks all, looking forward to seeing WIP progress on Nova/Neutron and Ceilo next week :) | 17:40 |
| kiall | #endmeeting | 17:40 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 17 17:40:33 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2015/designate.2015-06-17-17.00.html | 17:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2015/designate.2015-06-17-17.00.txt | 17:40 |
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| SlickNik | #startmeeting trove | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 17 18:01:24 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SlickNik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trove' | 18:01 |
| amrith | ./ | 18:01 |
| mvandijk | 0/ | 18:01 |
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| SlickNik | hello all | 18:01 |
| vgnbkr | o/ | 18:01 |
| ashleighfarnham | o/ | 18:01 |
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| pmalik | -o- | 18:02 |
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| amrith | \_(*)_/ | 18:03 |
| cp16net | hi yall | 18:03 |
| cp16net | |.| | 18:03 |
| SlickNik | Meeting agenda at: | 18:03 |
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| SlickNik | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting | 18:03 |
| atomic77 | *| | 18:03 |
| dougshelley66 | o/ | 18:03 |
| cp16net | looks sparse | 18:03 |
| shayneburgess | ——o—- | 18:03 |
| bhunter71 | o | 18:03 |
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| SlickNik | Let's get started | 18:04 |
| SlickNik | #topic Trove Pulse Update | 18:04 |
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| SlickNik | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/trove-pulse-update | 18:04 |
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| SlickNik | Slightly fewer reviews this week — down from the last week, but things are still moving. | 18:05 |
| SlickNik | You will notice that core-reviewer team size is now accurately reflected. :) | 18:06 |
| SlickNik | reviewstats actually took a change to pull the team directly from the gerrit-group using the gerrit HTTP API. | 18:06 |
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| cp16net | SlickNik: how do you pull this info? | 18:07 |
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| dougshelley66 | openstack-infra/reviewstats | 18:07 |
| SlickNik | To follow up on last weeks conversation — no auto-abandon job, but I'm working on a custom gerrit dashboard for us. | 18:07 |
| SlickNik | cp16net: what dougshelley66 said | 18:07 |
| cp16net | k | 18:07 |
| SlickNik | #link https://github.com/openstack-infra/reviewstats | 18:08 |
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| cp16net | nice | 18:08 |
| SlickNik | Any other questions regarding this? | 18:09 |
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| SlickNik | #action SlickNik — figure out custom dash in gerrit for Trove | 18:09 |
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| SlickNik | Okay, let's move on. | 18:10 |
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| cp16net | SlickNik: let me know if i can help out with that | 18:10 |
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| SlickNik | cp16net: awesome — let's talk offline about that | 18:11 |
| SlickNik | #topic Liberty-1 cut next week | 18:11 |
| cp16net | k | 18:11 |
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| SlickNik | This is more of an FYI than anything else. | 18:11 |
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| SlickNik | We'll be cutting liberty-1 next week, so I'll be triaging bps and bugs that won't make it in over the next couple of days. | 18:11 |
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| SlickNik | If there's something that folks definitely want in liberty-1, please reach out to me so we can figure out a timeline for landing it before next week. | 18:12 |
| SlickNik | FYI the current liberty-1 page is at: | 18:13 |
| SlickNik | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/trove/+milestone/liberty-1 | 18:13 |
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| SlickNik | Any questions regarding this? | 18:13 |
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| SlickNik | . | 18:14 |
| cp16net | *crickets* | 18:14 |
| SlickNik | #topic Moving to semantic versioning | 18:14 |
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| SlickNik | Many of you are probably aware that all of the OpenStack integrated release projects moving to semantic versioning. | 18:15 |
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| SlickNik | Trove being one of them, is also being moved. | 18:16 |
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| SlickNik | Wanted to call this out, as this has (upgrade) implications for folks who package trove | 18:16 |
| SlickNik | So folks are aware of this. | 18:16 |
| cp16net | so this is new to me but what is the version now then? | 18:17 |
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| SlickNik | We move from date based versioning (eg. 2015.1) to semantic versioning (4.0.0.0) | 18:17 |
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| cp16net | oh man that could realy impact someone if you dont have the version close to the date | 18:18 |
| SlickNik | 4 is chosen for trove since liberty will be the 4th trove release as part of the OpenStack integration projects. | 18:18 |
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| SlickNik | cp16net: Yes, in fact the upgrade will not work unless you rev the epoch, since 4.x.x.x < 201x.x | 18:19 |
| cp16net | yup | 18:19 |
| shayneburgess | are they not standardizing the version numbers across projects? | 18:20 |
| SlickNik | They are. | 18:20 |
| SlickNik | shayneburgess: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:+semver-releases,n,z | 18:20 |
| shayneburgess | so nova will be version 12 and we will be version 4? | 18:21 |
| SlickNik | They're not keeping the same version — but standardizing semantics. | 18:21 |
| SlickNik | shayneburgess: yes | 18:21 |
| shayneburgess | *ugh* ok | 18:21 |
| amrith | that sucks | 18:21 |
| cp16net | yeah that doesnt make much sense | 18:21 |
| amrith | it was nice when all releases were like 2015,1 | 18:21 |
| amrith | or 2015,2 | 18:21 |
| shayneburgess | welcome to needing a spreadsheet to find out what is in Liberty | 18:21 |
| cp16net | sounds like thats just going to confuse people more | 18:21 |
| amrith | *more* | 18:21 |
| shayneburgess | i don't think we can anything about it here | 18:22 |
| shayneburgess | or at all :) | 18:22 |
| cp16net | maybe if all the gates continue to fail it wont go in :-P | 18:23 |
| cp16net | j/k | 18:23 |
| shayneburgess | +1 | 18:23 |
| SlickNik | shayneburgess: We do because it has upgrade implications. | 18:23 |
| SlickNik | Moving from 2015.x to 4.x is not natural :) | 18:23 |
| SlickNik | So just wanted to make sure folks are aware. | 18:23 |
| shayneburgess | agreed | 18:23 |
| cp16net | i'm aware and not happy that i know now... | 18:24 |
| cp16net | :) | 18:24 |
| SlickNik | Apart from that, there's a discussion about this on the mailing list. | 18:24 |
| SlickNik | I guess part of the reason is that it gives teams ability to release on a schedule decoupled with the integrated release if they choose to do so. | 18:24 |
| SlickNik | Let me find a link to the ML discussion | 18:25 |
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| SlickNik | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-May/065211.html | 18:26 |
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| SlickNik | ^^ that explains some of the motivations for choosing to go the semver route. | 18:27 |
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| SlickNik | That's all I had for this topic — questions? | 18:28 |
| SlickNik | . | 18:29 |
| SlickNik | Let's move on then. | 18:29 |
| SlickNik | #topic Open Discussion | 18:29 |
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| SlickNik | I had a follow up action from last meeting's agenda. | 18:29 |
| SlickNik | You'll notice that https://launchpad.net/trove/ now has the summary information updated. | 18:30 |
| SlickNik | With the current Mission Statement and summary. | 18:30 |
| dougshelley66 | SlickNik cool thanks! | 18:31 |
| SlickNik | Np. | 18:31 |
| SlickNik | Any other topics for open discussion? | 18:31 |
| peterstac | I had a quick one | 18:31 |
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| peterstac | we've got a lot of specs coming down the pipe and it would be good to get the 'spec validation' patchset in | 18:32 |
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| peterstac | if people could review it and see if everyone agrees with what's there | 18:32 |
| peterstac | #link https://launchpad.net/trove/ | 18:32 |
| SlickNik | peterstac: ++ | 18:32 |
| peterstac | sorry | 18:32 |
| peterstac | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/158617/ | 18:33 |
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| peterstac | that's it :) | 18:33 |
| cp16net | i'll look at it | 18:33 |
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| SlickNik | I authored the initial changes, so probably not good to review it myself. peterstac your updates look good to me so I've +1'd. | 18:34 |
| SlickNik | cp16net: that would be awesome. | 18:34 |
| SlickNik | Any other items for open discussion? | 18:35 |
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| peterstac | SlickNik: Same here, I'm leaving it for someone else to approve ;) | 18:35 |
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| SlickNik | Looks like we're good for now. | 18:36 |
| SlickNik | Folks can have some of the time back. | 18:36 |
| SlickNik | Thanks all! | 18:36 |
| SlickNik | #endmeeting | 18:36 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 17 18:36:50 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:36 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2015/trove.2015-06-17-18.01.html | 18:36 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2015/trove.2015-06-17-18.01.txt | 18:36 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2015/trove.2015-06-17-18.01.log.html | 18:36 |
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| cp16net | thx | 18:37 |
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| xgerman | #startmeeting octavia | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 17 20:00:18 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is xgerman. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: octavia)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'octavia' | 20:00 |
| xgerman | #chair blogan | 20:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: blogan xgerman | 20:00 |
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| blogan | hi! | 20:00 |
| ptoohill | 0/ | 20:00 |
| johnsom | o/ | 20:00 |
| rm_work | o/ | 20:00 |
| TrevorV | o/ | 20:00 |
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| blogan | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Octavia/Weekly_Meeting_Agenda#Meeting_2015-06-17 | 20:00 |
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| blogan | tehre's your agenda | 20:00 |
| xgerman | #topic Announcements | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: octavia)" | 20:00 | |
| xgerman | CfP Tokyo Summit - https://www.openstack.org/summit/tokyo-2015/call-for-speakers/manage/3647/summary | 20:01 |
| xgerman | never seen such a broken web site | 20:01 |
| ajmiller__ | o/ | 20:01 |
| xgerman | we will have a topic later in the agenda | 20:01 |
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| xgerman | External DNS resolution - http://docs-draft.openstack.org/24/88624/4/check/gate-neutron-specs-docs/36e883b//doc/build/html/specs/liberty/external-dns-resolution.html | 20:01 |
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| dougwig | o/ | 20:02 |
| xgerman | this is interesting since a problem we usually face is that if we update LBaaS installation we end up in different address spaces — this will help with that if we only hand out DNS names | 20:02 |
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| rm_work | that is what Amazon ELB does | 20:02 |
| xgerman | yep | 20:03 |
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| xgerman | though I have been told that we still need IP’s for GLB | 20:03 |
| rm_work | would be good, I think | 20:03 |
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| rm_work | though you can CNAME | 20:04 |
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| xgerman | exactly | 20:04 |
| dougwig | it's annoying as F in some cases, like wanting to fire up an LB to do your apex redirection, or dealing with legacy IPs. neither of which apply to octavia, though. | 20:04 |
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| blogan | i think there's a group of people who like IPs and like the DNS names | 20:05 |
| blogan | if we can support both, great | 20:05 |
| rm_work | I am vaguely of the opinion that I would rather give out IPs, but I can't explain exactly why | 20:05 |
| rm_work | and could be convinced either way | 20:05 |
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| rm_work | and definitely wouldn't mind BOTH options | 20:06 |
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| xgerman | well, we can change our world view that we know amphora only by DNS name | 20:06 |
| sballe | hi Sorry I am late | 20:06 |
| xgerman | so you can replace a broken one transparently | 20:06 |
| rm_work | err, we still want to know our Amps by IP i think | 20:06 |
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| crc32 | sounds like GLB all over again. | 20:06 |
| johnsom | IPsec load balancing can't use DNS typically | 20:06 |
| crc32 | and we all know how that went. | 20:06 |
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| rm_work | lol | 20:07 |
| xgerman | crc32 GLB is back | 20:07 |
| rm_work | it went: the discussion is restarted! :P | 20:07 |
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| rm_work | yep | 20:07 |
| xgerman | anyway, just announcing that proposal | 20:07 |
| xgerman | needs more investigation ;-) | 20:07 |
| rm_work | crc32: moar GLB -- was just reading through the logs from that: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gslb/2015/ | 20:07 |
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| crc32 | johnsom: I think IPSec would work but your constantly resigning after every change. | 20:07 |
| rm_work | which I guess we're discussing later, sorry xgerman :P | 20:07 |
| ptoohill | We may need different meetings for some of these topics, octavia != glb or is it? | 20:08 |
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| ptoohill | :) | 20:08 |
| rm_work | ptoohill: well, it's on the agenda | 20:08 |
| xgerman | yep | 20:08 |
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| ptoohill | yea, my point for saying that | 20:08 |
| xgerman | nah, I just put it there to raise awareness | 20:08 |
| crc32 | GLB died way back in 2013 | 20:08 |
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| xgerman | ok, here is the resurrected GLB: Global Load Balancing - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1016shVnPaK8l8HxMpjADiYtY2O94p4g7JxjuIA-qv7w/edit | 20:09 |
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| xgerman | anyway, they have their own meeting | 20:09 |
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| xgerman | and GLV != External DNS resolution | 20:10 |
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| xgerman | GLB | 20:10 |
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| xgerman | #topic Tokyo talks | 20:10 |
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| xgerman | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Octavia-Tokyo-Talks | 20:11 |
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| xgerman | so I am trying to collect all our talks there | 20:11 |
| xgerman | and the web site is terribly brpoken | 20:11 |
| xgerman | for inserting talks | 20:11 |
| dougwig | works with safari, not chrome. i already submitted the usual lbaas talk, listed at the bottom. | 20:11 |
| xgerman | I did safari | 20:12 |
| blogan | of course, safari | 20:12 |
| xgerman | of course | 20:12 |
| blogan | dougwig: i updated it to be Liberty and Beyond, instead of Kilo and Beyond | 20:12 |
| dougwig | xgerman, you game to merge the second and third talks? | 20:12 |
| dougwig | thanks. i think i had it as liberty in chrome. three times, before i switched to safari. | 20:12 |
| blogan | lol | 20:12 |
| xgerman | sure, whatever increases our chances | 20:13 |
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| sballe | it works fine in chrome | 20:13 |
| blogan | not in os x apparently | 20:13 |
| xgerman | well, I tried ten times to enter a talk in Safari no dice | 20:13 |
| johnsom | dougwig My only thought is the Liberty and beyond talk might be more vendor focused like Vancouver where Octavia reference might go deep | 20:14 |
| blogan | no matter what, that site sucks | 20:14 |
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| sballe | do we need a Octavia hands on lab and an Octavia talk? | 20:14 |
| xgerman | yep, I wish they could get some 8 year old to do a redesign | 20:14 |
| sballe | That seems like a lot | 20:14 |
| xgerman | well, we can submit a lot and the program committee will whittle it down | 20:15 |
| dougwig | johnsom: i think the vendor road show was showing off API adoption, and I don't personally see a need for it in tokyo. i'd have no problem with that talk being a deeper dive in octavia (maybe also using the new horizon). | 20:15 |
| sballe | yeah that double our chances of getting something on | 20:15 |
| blogan | can title our talk "docker docker octavia without docker" | 20:15 |
| sballe | lol | 20:15 |
| xgerman | throw in security - everybody loves that | 20:15 |
| johnsom | dougwig ok, cool | 20:16 |
| johnsom | blogan lol | 20:16 |
| xgerman | ok, let’s merge #2 and #3 then | 20:16 |
| dougwig | docker flavor chaining for nfv. | 20:16 |
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| xgerman | now we have a winner | 20:16 |
| blogan | insta-accept | 20:16 |
| sballe | xgerman: blogan "docker docker 'secure" octavia without docker" | 20:16 |
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| dougwig | xgerman: ok, i'll update the speaker list now. | 20:17 |
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| xgerman | also we need some more speakers for the hands on | 20:17 |
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| xgerman | blogan? | 20:18 |
| xgerman | rm-work? | 20:18 |
| sballe | I would be happy to help wit the hands on | 20:18 |
| crc32 | cgarza | 20:18 |
| rm_work | yeah | 20:18 |
| rm_work | i can do hands-on | 20:18 |
| crc32 | me too | 20:18 |
| crc32 | I got my hands all over it. | 20:18 |
| blogan | there will probably be a neutron-lbaas and octavia working group/design session right? | 20:18 |
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| dougwig | blogan: indeed. | 20:19 |
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| dougwig | i don't know what the space situation is like yet (vancouver had lots of extra rooms), so i don't know if it'll be 1 or 3, but that doesn't happen for a month or so yet. | 20:20 |
| blogan | dougwig: put me down for as co-moderator for those and ill let others to the hands on, unless we dont have enough for the hands on then ill do it | 20:20 |
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| xgerman | #action german add cc32 rm_work sable to hands on talk | 20:20 |
| blogan | keep in mind, as always with us, we're not sure who, if any, will be going to tokyo | 20:20 |
| dougwig | blogan: ok | 20:20 |
| xgerman | same with HP | 20:20 |
| blogan | xgerman: wouldn't ajmiller be a good person for the hands on? | 20:21 |
| blogan | since he did a lot of the devstack plugin stuff | 20:21 |
| xgerman | I will ask him | 20:21 |
| xgerman | yeah, I was thinking he would be | 20:22 |
| ajmiller | I' | 20:22 |
| ajmiller | I'm here. | 20:22 |
| xgerman | ok, hand-on? | 20:22 |
| ajmiller | Yes, would love to | 20:22 |
| ptoohill | Ill gladly help wherever I can, assuming I can go | 20:22 |
| ptoohill | If others would like me to help | 20:22 |
| xgerman | well, for us a deciding factor being able to go is a talk accepted | 20:22 |
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| xgerman | what’s the speaker limit dougwig? | 20:23 |
| blogan | ptoohill: you should do the beyond talk at least | 20:23 |
| blogan | dougwig weasled himself out of it | 20:23 |
| ptoohill | lol | 20:23 |
| xgerman | lol | 20:23 |
| xgerman | he was on the side lines - literally | 20:23 |
| dougwig | xgerman: there is no limit that i've found, but more than 3 gets to be a tad awkward. | 20:23 |
| xgerman | even for hands-on? | 20:24 |
| dougwig | no, i meant for the talk. | 20:24 |
| xgerman | ok, yeah, agreed | 20:24 |
| sballe | xgerman: for hand on you need extra folks. | 20:24 |
| xgerman | yep | 20:24 |
| xgerman | yep | 20:25 |
| TrevorV | Oh, you can put me on the list for the hands-on I spose | 20:25 |
| dougwig | packing a hands-on for speaker creds for flights is kinda wonky, but it's your company. :) | 20:25 |
| TrevorV | If we still need names I mean | 20:25 |
| sballe | dougwig: but it works ;-) | 20:25 |
| ptoohill | I cant view that page, says i dont have perms to edit it, but i just wanted to view it :) | 20:26 |
| xgerman | yep, the CfP pages are broken | 20:26 |
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| xgerman | which honestly is embarrassing for an IT conference | 20:26 |
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| dougwig | it's probably running on kilo. | 20:26 |
| sballe | Is the Horizon/Octavia integration done by eBay | 20:26 |
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| xgerman | if they only would have done it in ruby on rails.. | 20:27 |
| johnsom | jruby | 20:27 |
| sballe | the reason I am asking is that then they should be on as a speaker too | 20:27 |
| xgerman | on m1.tiny | 20:27 |
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| dougwig | if that site was ruby, it'd work better. | 20:27 |
| xgerman | well, I haven’t heard from eBay in a while | 20:28 |
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| blogan | is ebay even working on the horizon integration? | 20:28 |
| xgerman | I hope so | 20:28 |
| xgerman | but we should check | 20:28 |
| blogan | sure they have their own for v1 but we don't have access to that | 20:28 |
| rm_work | sballe: I think it's just Horizon/Neutron-LBaaS integration anyway, not Octavia | 20:28 |
| blogan | so i'm not holding my breath | 20:28 |
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| sballe | oh ok | 20:28 |
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| rm_work | I think Octavia is supposed to be invisible to end users | 20:29 |
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| xgerman | yep | 20:29 |
| xgerman | we might want some admin/operator comsole | 20:29 |
| blogan | well every driver is supposed to beinvisible to the end user | 20:29 |
| xgerman | but that would be post-kilo | 20:29 |
| xgerman | post-liberty | 20:29 |
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| xgerman | blogan +1 | 20:30 |
| dougwig | xgerman: easier to add an octavia panel to the dashboard than to try to wedge that into the user focused lbaas panel | 20:30 |
| xgerman | yep | 20:30 |
| dougwig | (says the person with an 'a10 networks' panel integrated in horizon, so i'm not making that up.) | 20:30 |
| rm_work | wat | 20:30 |
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| xgerman | ok, I guess we covered that | 20:31 |
| xgerman | #topic Brief progress reports | 20:31 |
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| TrevorV | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/192359/ | 20:31 |
| TrevorV | Need reviews there | 20:31 |
| TrevorV | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/170989/ | 20:31 |
| TrevorV | xgerman, johnsom if you guys could take a look at the second, that'd be great | 20:32 |
| xgerman | will do | 20:32 |
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| johnsom | Yep, trying to work through them | 20:32 |
| TrevorV | I'm taking up the "fix member delete flows" as well, but not just yet | 20:32 |
| xgerman | I switched https://review.openstack.org/#/c/171172/ to requests-mock | 20:33 |
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| johnsom | TrevorV cool | 20:33 |
| blogan | i've got these two reviews ready: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189087/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/185244/ | 20:33 |
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| TrevorV | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189087/ | 20:33 |
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| blogan | though i think this kind of exposes some bigger issues that we should probably discuss in depth at some point | 20:33 |
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| TrevorV | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/185244/ | 20:33 |
| johnsom | I have mostly been trying to review stuff and get fixes merged while working on Sonar gate setup | 20:34 |
| blogan | good white board session | 20:34 |
| rm_work | oh yeah, it looks like RAX will be very present at the midcycle, so that's good | 20:34 |
| crc32 | rm_work: what branch do I attempt to commit these STAG puppet changes too? | 20:34 |
| xgerman | rm-work - that’s great!! | 20:34 |
| TrevorV | Yeah, we've been approved for 4 people to go to the midcycle, including myself this time around :) | 20:34 |
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| xgerman | wow!! | 20:34 |
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| sballe | TrevorV: This great news! | 20:34 |
| dougwig | sweet, | 20:35 |
| johnsom | Excellent! | 20:35 |
| ajmiller | cool! | 20:35 |
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| TrevorV | You'll have to show me a little somethin about Seattle, its one of the places people always suggest me to live since I like rain/snow/cold weather :D | 20:35 |
| rm_work | I assume phil is the fourth but i am not sure? | 20:35 |
| rm_work | or is it jorge? | 20:36 |
| xgerman | fnaval talked about wanting to come, too | 20:36 |
| TrevorV | Yeah, phil, brandon, adam, me. the fantastic 4 | 20:36 |
| TrevorV | :D | 20:36 |
| blogan | jorge has officially become technically inept | 20:36 |
| dougwig | TrevorV: then you'd like boise even more. | 20:36 |
| ptoohill | But, I dont know if Idaho | 20:36 |
| dougwig | don't worry, we only indiscriminately shoot people named adam. | 20:37 |
| ptoohill | :) | 20:37 |
| blogan | damnit why couldn't the midcycle have been in boise | 20:37 |
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| xgerman | blogan - votes? | 20:37 |
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| blogan | if you knew the perks of boise shooting people named adam i'm sure the votes would have been different | 20:38 |
| xgerman | lol | 20:38 |
| dougwig | xgerman: c'mon, votes are silly when you can mobilize the hp mafia. :) | 20:38 |
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| sballe | lol | 20:38 |
| dougwig | i should get the hp boise folks to vote next time. | 20:38 |
| xgerman | yep | 20:38 |
| johnsom | dougwig I think I voted for fish, oh, bozeman | 20:39 |
| xgerman | or get bodybuilding.com to adopt openstack | 20:39 |
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| dougwig | this is a public channel, so i won't comment on that. | 20:39 |
| xgerman | lol | 20:40 |
| blogan | never stopped you before | 20:40 |
| sballe | lol | 20:40 |
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| xgerman | they are too close to home | 20:40 |
| xgerman | for dougwig | 20:40 |
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| xgerman | #topic Open Discussion | 20:41 |
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| xgerman | we have been doing that the last 5 minutes | 20:41 |
| rm_work | heh | 20:41 |
| rm_work | I have survived Boise a few times, so I guess luck is with me :P | 20:42 |
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| xgerman | You didn’t where a “Hello, I am Adam” sign I take it | 20:42 |
| rm_work | i did not :/ | 20:44 |
| rm_work | probably a good thing | 20:44 |
| blogan | ill probably bring up some possible improvements we might look at making to make the drivers more decoupled and flexible | 20:44 |
| blogan | in the near future | 20:44 |
| dougwig | is everyone here aware of the new rfe process for neutron (and neutron-lbaas) ? | 20:44 |
| rm_work | i am not | 20:44 |
| blogan | i'm not | 20:44 |
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| blogan | i instantly forget processes that end in my requests being denied | 20:44 |
| sballe | nope | 20:45 |
| johnsom | Yes, but have not practiced it yet... | 20:45 |
| dougwig | short form: you don't need to submit specs anymore, and there is no spec deadline. file a neutron bug with the tags 'rfe' and 'lbaas', and just state what you want. 9 times out of 10, the drivers will just approve it. sometimes, they'll ask for a spec. | 20:45 |
| rm_work | hmm k | 20:46 |
| dougwig | this applies to both neutron and lbaas, just leave off the lbaas tag for neutron stuff. :) | 20:46 |
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| dougwig | here is the longer form, for anyone interested: https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/doc/source/policies/blueprints.rst | 20:46 |
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| sballe | What is rfe again? I forgot | 20:47 |
| xgerman | cool!! | 20:47 |
| sballe | It sounds great in theory | 20:47 |
| dougwig | 'request for enhancement'. | 20:47 |
| xgerman | Also do we know how L7 is going? | 20:47 |
| dougwig | xgerman: no, i need to touch base with evgeny | 20:47 |
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| xgerman | great!! | 20:48 |
| ptoohill | for l7 I still need to make some template updates | 20:48 |
| blogan | octavia needs to be updated for L7 as well | 20:48 |
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| ptoohill | Last time, according to him it was ready except for 'my part'. | 20:48 |
| xgerman | well, now with Octavia being reference implementation... | 20:49 |
| blogan | well it'll still need to be updated | 20:49 |
| blogan | it has no knowledge of L7 | 20:49 |
| blogan | doesn't know what do if it sees it | 20:49 |
| xgerman | yep, but we don’t need to update the “old” reference implementation | 20:49 |
| dougwig | ptoohill: at lest yours is just a template. i get to translate haproxy to internal rules. | 20:49 |
| ptoohill | It would be some jinja updates, which would probably be identical in both | 20:50 |
| ptoohill | :) | 20:50 |
| xgerman | yep | 20:50 |
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| dougwig | we done? :) | 20:51 |
| xgerman | guess sao | 20:51 |
| xgerman | #endmeeting | 20:51 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 17 20:51:43 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-06-17-20.00.html | 20:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-06-17-20.00.txt | 20:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-06-17-20.00.log.html | 20:51 |
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| sballe | bye | 20:51 |
| xgerman | thanks everybody | 20:51 |
| ajmiller | bye | 20:52 |
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