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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 18 15:00:38 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
| cknight | Hi | 15:00 |
| ganso_ | hello | 15:00 |
| rraja | hi | 15:00 |
| vponomaryov | Hello | 15:00 |
| bswartz | hello | 15:00 |
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| csaba | hi | 15:00 |
| markstur | hi | 15:00 |
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| bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:01 |
| u_glide | hello | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | real quick before we get started, I wanted to remind everyone that L-1 is next week | 15:01 |
| tbarron | hi | 15:01 |
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| xyang1 | hi | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | only a few things targeted at L-1 have been merged, so there will be a lot of retargeting | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | but the priority for reviews the next week should be stuff that's targeted at L-1 | 15:03 |
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| bswartz | #topic manila-service-image hosting | 15:03 |
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| bswartz | u_glide: you're up | 15:04 |
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| u_glide | we agreed with infra team that manila-service-image will be hosted as regular release on tarballs site | 15:04 |
| u_glide | all releases + latest master build will be hosted | 15:05 |
| u_glide | the only one question left | 15:05 |
| toabctl | hi | 15:06 |
| u_glide | Which build we will use in devstack plugin | 15:06 |
| u_glide | latest master or some stable release | 15:06 |
| bswartz | master | 15:06 |
| vponomaryov | I think we should use stable with periodic update for newly created | 15:06 |
| bswartz | -1 | 15:07 |
| vponomaryov | to avoid nice surprises | 15:07 |
| bswartz | this team is going to control the image project though | 15:07 |
| bswartz | how can we surprise ourselves? | 15:07 |
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| markstur | stable branches should use stable, but I'd think master would use latest | 15:07 |
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| ganso_ | I think for devstack we are supposed to test always the latest | 15:07 |
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| vponomaryov | easy - tempest tests are running mostly in gates =) | 15:08 |
| u_glide | bswartz: service image could be incompatible between releaes | 15:08 |
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| u_glide | s/releaes/releases/ | 15:08 |
| u_glide | for example manila L will be compatible only with service image <= 0.2.0 | 15:09 |
| vponomaryov | I agree to use latest only case if we run all tempest tests against that image on its project commits | 15:09 |
| bswartz | okay so if we pin the release of the service image that runs in the gate, how will we get ourselves unstuck when there's a bug that needs fixing? | 15:09 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz; you mean cross-changes? | 15:11 |
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| csaba | can we not have a default known good image url recorded in manila tree itself? and pull that (or a conf overridden alternative if something goes wrong)? | 15:11 |
| ganso_ | updates to the image are going to be approved after review, correct? | 15:12 |
| bswartz | hmm | 15:12 |
| ganso_ | if something breaks the image, thus breaking the gate, then we revert, pull, or fix | 15:12 |
| vponomaryov | ganso_: yes, standard gerrit-review process | 15:12 |
| bswartz | ganso_: yes the image project will have gerrit change control like everything else | 15:12 |
| ganso_ | the image will be tested on its gate then, we will know when a patch breaks | 15:13 |
| toabctl | can we just run our latest tempest tests from manila master against every image review request? | 15:13 |
| vponomaryov | toabctl: yes, we can | 15:13 |
| bswartz | toabctl: yes that's what I was thinking | 15:13 |
| vponomaryov | toabctl: and should do | 15:13 |
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| toabctl | ok. that's also what I would prefer to do | 15:13 |
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| bswartz | okay so assuming we do it that way, is there any danger using the master version? | 15:14 |
| u_glide | Do we plan to run ALL jobs, or some of them?? | 15:14 |
| markstur | so we can tempest test and use latest for master devstack | 15:14 |
| markstur | what about someone running "stable/x" devstack? | 15:14 |
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| vponomaryov | markstur: for such things we keep old image as is | 15:14 |
| u_glide | bswartz: old releases will download incompatible images | 15:14 |
| toabctl | u_glide: hm. good question. I think we don't need all. | 15:15 |
| bswartz | u_glide: I would say just 1 job | 15:15 |
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| vponomaryov | markstur: or push new commit with new image | 15:15 |
| toabctl | images just have stable/liberty and so on branches which are used for the corresponding manila branches. | 15:15 |
| markstur | I was thinking the old branches would need to be told to use an old image. | 15:15 |
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| bswartz | yeah I think stable branches will use the stable versions of the image | 15:16 |
| vponomaryov | markstur: actually newly created image is going to have same functionality + additional without incompatibilities | 15:16 |
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| bswartz | stable/liberty will track the latest commit to that branch just like master does | 15:16 |
| ganso_ | vponomaryov: should have, we are not sure we can guarantee that | 15:16 |
| cFouts | hi | 15:16 |
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| markstur | vponomaryov, backwards compat would be best, but I think u_glide already suggested we could break compat | 15:17 |
| vponomaryov | ganso_: I mean difference between current one and first new one | 15:17 |
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| markstur | oh | 15:17 |
| u_glide | markstur: +1 | 15:17 |
| ganso_ | vponomaryov: I see, like an upgrade plan | 15:17 |
| ganso_ | vponomaryov: always backwards compatible with the previous one | 15:17 |
| toabctl | there is a timeperiod (when you accepted a image request and the image rebuilds and needs to be published) where manila uses an outdated image | 15:17 |
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| toabctl | hm. but that shouldn't be a problem I guess... | 15:18 |
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| vponomaryov | so, we agreed for running tempest tests against image project and use latest build for master branch, right? | 15:19 |
| vponomaryov | and stable build for stable branches? | 15:19 |
| bswartz | +1 | 15:19 |
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| u_glide | ++ | 15:19 |
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| toabctl | +1 | 15:20 |
| ganso_ | +1 | 15:20 |
| markstur | +1 | 15:20 |
| bswartz | okay sounds good | 15:20 |
| bswartz | u_glide: you satisfied with this plan? | 15:20 |
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| u_glide | bswartz: yes | 15:21 |
| bswartz | #topic Separate ID approach for Share Migration and Replication | 15:21 |
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| bswartz | I replied to the mail thread here | 15:21 |
| bswartz | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-June/067376.html | 15:21 |
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| bswartz | we don't need to hash this one out again in the meeting | 15:21 |
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| bswartz | I think it makes sense to keep the discussion on the ML | 15:22 |
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| bswartz | but I wanted to mention that I'm now in favor of implement "share instances" even though it will be a lot of work/code change | 15:22 |
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| bswartz | ganso_: this will affect your migration proposal, but hopefully in a good way | 15:23 |
| ganso_ | right, so if we have some progress on the share-instance idea, we more people agree it looks promising then we could step forward | 15:23 |
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| ganso_ | bswartz: yes, I was about to start coding a new DB column, but preferred to wait this meeting discussion | 15:23 |
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| bswartz | ganso_: well the share instance stuff will take a long time | 15:24 |
| bswartz | you'd be better off continuing your development in parallel | 15:24 |
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| bswartz | there will be a lot of work to do in the data copy service and on the network side independent of this change | 15:24 |
| ganso_ | bswartz: I think your email summarized my proposals in a good way | 15:24 |
| bswartz | my proposal only addresses the thorny problem of how the 2 shares are tracked in the database and what IDs are used | 15:25 |
| ganso_ | bswartz: we have 2 big classes of changes, one that involves changing the ID, the vendor implementing a method, and other that requires a lot of effort on the core code | 15:25 |
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| vponomaryov | ganso_: maybe better to direct effort to one another blocker - admin network that is requried for mount of both shares? | 15:25 |
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| u_glide | vponomaryov: +1 | 15:26 |
| vponomaryov | while ID approach is under development | 15:26 |
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| u_glide | there are still a lot of unresolved questions | 15:26 |
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| bswartz | vponomaryov: that's next topic | 15:26 |
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| bswartz | :-) | 15:26 |
| vponomaryov | oh, right =) | 15:27 |
| ganso_ | vponomaryov: yes, that is also important, but bswartz mentioned that VM approach is not interesting, if more people hop on that bandwagon, then we are off to stick with the vendors implementing the necessary methods and partial support in Liberty | 15:27 |
| bswartz | #topic Network accessibility for share migration | 15:27 |
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| ganso_ | vponomaryov: and it is already coded... | 15:27 |
| bswartz | this was another new problem ganso_ brought up last week | 15:27 |
| ganso_ | vponomaryov: there is that benefit | 15:27 |
| bswartz | I replied to that thread too | 15:28 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz, ganso: why exactly VM, it can be any host accessible for manila host and share backends | 15:28 |
| bswartz | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-June/067378.html | 15:28 |
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| ganso_ | vponomaryov: VM would be inside Openstack, a manila host is in admin network. Admin network access to shares is unusual use case at this time | 15:28 |
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| bswartz | in short, the problem is that some shares are not mountable by the manila services responsible for migrating data in the current proposal | 15:28 |
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| bswartz | because those shares on only exported on private/segmented tenant networks | 15:29 |
| vponomaryov | for that case we should have dependency to have such proxy, that is accesible | 15:29 |
| bswartz | my proposal to fix this problem is to require backends which support exporting shares on private networks (which is only backends with driver_handles_share_servers=true) to also export shares on the admin network | 15:30 |
| ganso_ | vponomaryov: would the use of a proxy be something standard for all driver vendors? | 15:31 |
| bswartz | this should not a very difficult technical requirement for drivers | 15:31 |
| cknight | bswartz: +1 The network plug-in mechanism we have should be reusable for the admin network. | 15:31 |
| ganso_ | vponomaryov: like, something we can code in Core code? | 15:31 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: what kind of proxy do you have in mind? | 15:31 |
| vponomaryov | ganso_: for drivers that support migration | 15:31 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: host that is available for share backends with migration support | 15:32 |
| bswartz | if it's based on a nova VM, then I have a problem with it because I don't want to make share migration dependent on nova | 15:32 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: it does not matter NOva VM it is or not | 15:32 |
| bswartz | More and more openstack clouds will be based on other forms of compute, such as ironic and magnum | 15:33 |
| cknight | bswartz: +1 | 15:33 |
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| vponomaryov | ironic is backend for Nova | 15:33 |
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| ganso_ | bswartz: what if it is dependent on neutron? if I understand this correctly, it would be possible to work some neutron magic to make the manila host, or data copy service node, to connect to the backend directly through the openstack network, like... if admins, or even DHSS = true drivers usually use of a provider network (FLAT or VLAN) to make that | 15:34 |
| ganso_ | possible, what if the node in the admin network can also connect to that provider network inside openstack? | 15:34 |
| bswartz | and I'm also not forgetting standalone manila without the rest of openstack | 15:34 |
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| bswartz | I'm concerned that a network bridge/proxy approach will be too complicated -- we already have several network plugins, and we're likely to get more | 15:35 |
| bswartz | a proxy would have to understand every network system supported by manila | 15:35 |
| bswartz | putting the requirement on the drivers to simply provide an accessible mount point makes the problem far easier | 15:35 |
| ganso_ | vponomaryov: the generic drivers creates a VIF so the manila node can access the Manila Service network inside openstack, is it possible to create something like this to the provider network the backend is in? | 15:35 |
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| bswartz | I'm curious to know if there are drivers that can't do that however | 15:36 |
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| cknight | ganso_: Yes, neutron magic could be used, but that doesn't solve the non-OpenStack use case. And neutron is already complicated without resorting to magic. If we define a singleton admin network, it could be defined using any of our 5 network plugins. | 15:36 |
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| bswartz | it seems like a fairly modest requirement to provide access to shares directly on a flat network in addition to whatever other tenant networks require access | 15:36 |
| cknight | ganso_: And the dhss drivers already know how to handle network resources, this is just incremental to that. | 15:36 |
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| ganso_ | cknight: +1 for the non-Openstack use case | 15:37 |
| ganso_ | cknight: that can be quite a deal breaker | 15:38 |
| ganso_ | so, no neutron magic | 15:38 |
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| ganso_ | so, requiring network path is already coded in the prototype, as soon as it is merged, driver vendors will probably focus more on that | 15:39 |
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| bswartz | fwiw, I think the proxy approach would also work, but I feel that it's likely to be more effort to maintain over time | 15:39 |
| ganso_ | or we will get complaints from ops that this requirement is too complex to attend | 15:39 |
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| ganso_ | /s/attend/satisfy | 15:39 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: we can have more than one solution | 15:40 |
| ganso_ | vponomaryov: +1, fallback solution maybe | 15:40 |
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| bswartz | vponomaryov: if all of the drivers that support share_servers and segmented networking can be modified to provide an additional export_location on the admin network then no other solution is necessary | 15:41 |
| bswartz | and that's only a few drivers | 15:42 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: solutions can be dedicated to different network plugins or installations in general | 15:42 |
| cknight | vponomaryov: An alternate fallback may be interesting, but let's get the primary design working first. | 15:42 |
| vponomaryov | I don't mind | 15:42 |
| ganso_ | bswartz: what if we delegate the network plugin improvement to the driver vendors that cannot provide the network path? I remember I was going to contribute to the network plugin when I was coding my driver | 15:42 |
| bswartz | I'd rather avoid doing extra work if it can be avoided | 15:43 |
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| bswartz | the main thing that would convince me that we need a general proxy approach would be if there are drivers that simply can't implement my proposal | 15:43 |
| vponomaryov | dhss=false drivers | 15:44 |
| bswartz | My current understanding of what would be needed for a proxy that would work in all cases is that it would be a ton of work | 15:44 |
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| bswartz | vponomaryov: those don't have this problem though | 15:44 |
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| bswartz | for any driver that doesn't manage networking, it is the administrator's job to ensure connectivity, both to the tenant networks and to the admin network | 15:45 |
| u_glide | we should consider scaling of this operation | 15:46 |
| bswartz | scaling what | 15:46 |
| vponomaryov | scaling load of migration operations | 15:46 |
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| u_glide | scaling of copying from one backend to another | 15:46 |
| cknight | u_glide: the data movement service should be horizontally scalable | 15:46 |
| ganso_ | that's what the data copy service is for | 15:46 |
| cknight | u_glide: run as many of them as you need | 15:47 |
| u_glide | cknight: ok | 15:47 |
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| bswartz | yes I think having a separate service for actually doing the data copying is essential to avoid bottlenecks | 15:48 |
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| bswartz | as cknight says, horizontally scalable | 15:48 |
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| bswartz | anyways there is a ML thread on this topic | 15:49 |
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| bswartz | my proposal is there, and I'd like for any driver maintainers that have share_server_supporting drivers to provide feedback | 15:49 |
| ganso_ | I guess this topic is not such a blocker for the ID topic after all | 15:49 |
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| bswartz | the generic driver should be really easy to add another admin-network-facing network interface to export the shares | 15:50 |
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| * bswartz hopes that's true | 15:50 | |
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| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:50 |
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| cknight | bswartz: NetApp and HP have already said they can do it. What other DHSS drivers are there? | 15:50 |
| bswartz | anything else today? | 15:50 |
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| ganso_ | bswartz: I already coded that in my prototype, but it kinda looks like a workaround approach | 15:51 |
| bswartz | cknight: one of EMC's I think | 15:51 |
| vponomaryov | EMC | 15:51 |
| ganso_ | bswartz: there was another topic in the list | 15:51 |
| cknight | OK, xyang1 can weigh in, then. | 15:51 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz; 4. Quick review of Minimum Requirements ? | 15:51 |
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| bswartz | oh! | 15:51 |
| bswartz | someone modified the agenda in mid meeting.... | 15:51 |
| bswartz | sneaky | 15:51 |
| bswartz | #topic Quick review of Minimum Requirements | 15:52 |
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| xyang1 | cknight: sorry, I missed the latest discussion | 15:52 |
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| ganso_ | bswartz: no, 1 minute prior to the meeting :P | 15:52 |
| vponomaryov | ganso_: confirm =) | 15:52 |
| ganso_ | someone removed the Upcoming Minimum requirements | 15:52 |
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| cknight | xyang1: No worries, it's in the DL thread Ben linked to. | 15:52 |
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| bswartz | xyang1: ping me later today or tomorrow if you want to discuss | 15:53 |
| bswartz | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-minimum-driver-requirements | 15:53 |
| xyang1 | cknight, bswartz: thanks, I'll take a look | 15:53 |
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| bswartz | ganso_: any specific questions or are you just asking if there is more feedback on what you have? | 15:54 |
| ganso_ | so, I had included a "upcoming minimum requirements" so driver vendors can anticipate what's coming that they need to support | 15:54 |
| xyang1 | I think QoS support is advanced | 15:54 |
| ganso_ | but someone removed that | 15:54 |
| bswartz | yes QoS isn't required yet | 15:54 |
| xyang1 | It is in the minimum required list | 15:54 |
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| xyang1 | it is not even implemented yet | 15:55 |
| xyang1 | not every driver can support that | 15:55 |
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| vponomaryov | someone from future came to us =) | 15:55 |
| rraja | ganso_: manage/unmanage snapshot and thin provisioning, right? | 15:55 |
| ganso_ | xyang1: I added because it was a default capability, thanks for the feedback, I will remove it :) | 15:55 |
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| ganso_ | rraja: yes :) thanks! | 15:55 |
| xyang1 | ganso_: default to False, like in Cinder:) | 15:56 |
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| bswartz | I'm not sure we need to enumerate future minimum requirements until the features are actually merged and shown to be working | 15:56 |
| ganso_ | ok so, Thin Provisioning will not be a minimum requirement, but Manage Unmanage Snapshot will, correct? | 15:56 |
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| bswartz | we have lots of proposals for features but without working code it's hard to even have a discussion about when they'll be required, if ever | 15:57 |
| ganso_ | bswartz: I can change the title to "Planned Upcoming Minimum Requirements", so it will make more sense that they are still uncertain | 15:57 |
| xyang1 | ganso_: that is future, not implemented yet | 15:57 |
| bswartz | yes that helps | 15:57 |
| ganso_ | btw, Access Rule can be RW only? | 15:58 |
| vponomaryov | ro/rw | 15:58 |
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| toabctl | no idea if that was discussed in the last meetings, but how is the progress for the external CI systems from the different vendors? I guess that's the mini-minimum requirement... | 15:58 |
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| ganso_ | vponomaryov: ok, thanks | 15:58 |
| markstur | toabctl, mini??? | 15:59 |
| markstur | mega | 15:59 |
| cknight | Somewhere we should also enumerate optional features. | 15:59 |
| toabctl | markstur: ah. right! :) | 15:59 |
| cknight | And which drivers support them. | 15:59 |
| vponomaryov | markstur: ^^ | 15:59 |
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| bswartz | toabctl: the upcoming deadline next week is to have all the driver's maintainers sign up and commit to doing CI | 15:59 |
| bswartz | I'm going to track down those to haven't committed and find out why they're not paying attention | 15:59 |
| toabctl | bswartz: so you are in personal contact with the different maintainers? | 16:00 |
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| bswartz | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-driver-maintainers | 16:00 |
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| bswartz | we know who they are from the git history | 16:00 |
| bswartz | and I've talked to all of them in the past | 16:00 |
| bswartz | some seem to be less active recently | 16:01 |
| markstur | We should continue the "minimum" req list discussion next week | 16:01 |
| bswartz | we're out of time though | 16:01 |
| toabctl | bswartz: so even if they don't read openstack-dev, they all know that there is a deadline? | 16:01 |
| bswartz | they should be following the manila ML at least | 16:01 |
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| bswartz | those that aren't I will reach out to personally | 16:01 |
| toabctl | bswartz: ok. that's good news. | 16:02 |
| bswartz | that's why we have this early deadline | 16:02 |
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| bswartz | thanks everyone | 16:02 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 16:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 18 16:02:21 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-06-18-15.00.html | 16:02 |
| toabctl | thanks | 16:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-06-18-15.00.txt | 16:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-06-18-15.00.log.html | 16:02 |
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| bswartz | sorry again fuel guys | 16:02 |
| u_glide | thanks | 16:02 |
| xarses | thanks | 16:02 |
| xarses | #startmeeting fuel | 16:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 18 16:02:42 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is xarses. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fuel' | 16:02 |
| xarses | #chair xarses | 16:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: xarses | 16:02 |
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| xarses | hi all | 16:03 |
| kozhukalov_ | hi | 16:03 |
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| ogelbukh | hi | 16:03 |
| akasatkin_ | hi | 16:03 |
| mattymo | hi | 16:03 |
| xarses | do you want me to lead kozhukalov_ ? | 16:03 |
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| kozhukalov_ | xarses: yes | 16:04 |
| kozhukalov_ | xarses: if you have time of course | 16:04 |
| xarses | #chair xarses | 16:04 |
| openstack | Current chairs: xarses | 16:04 |
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| xarses | ok we have a short list schedule here, | 16:04 |
| xarses | #topic flexible(advanced) networking feature status (akasatkin) | 16:04 |
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| akasatkin_ | spec:https://review.openstack.org/115340 All tasks which do not fit into 7.0 are moved to other tickets. | 16:04 |
| akasatkin_ | As scope is still big, there is a certain risk that full functionality will not be implemented and tested in time. We have a backup plan and we are going to run it in parallel with the basic one. Design of a backup plan is in progress. | 16:05 |
| akasatkin_ | Even if we do not land everything into master for the basic plan, we will have changes in library part (apparently, Neutron ML2(both vlan/tun in one env) and at least several separated network roles) and corresponding changes in backend and UI. | 16:05 |
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| akasatkin_ | Basic plan will be implemented incrementally and should allow to not break current functionality in the middle of the developmen cycle. Development is started. We have done a number of tasks in nailgun already which allow library team to implement and test their part. | 16:05 |
| xarses | So what can we do to break it into phases so that we can make progress in 7.0? | 16:05 |
| xarses | Has the spec been updated to reflect this? | 16:06 |
| akasatkin_ | yes. now spec reflects nailgun tasks only | 16:06 |
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| akasatkin_ | we can make progress in 7.0 anyway | 16:07 |
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| xarses | yes, but do we have seperate sub-topics that we have identified and a action plan of what we think should make 7.0? | 16:08 |
| akasatkin_ | and it will allow to continue in 7.1 if it will not be finished in 7.0 | 16:08 |
| akasatkin_ | yes. we have a backup plan as well | 16:09 |
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| akasatkin_ | it will costs additional resources though | 16:09 |
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| xarses | ok, I ask because it still looks very big and at risk to over run the schedule | 16:09 |
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| xarses | OK, thanks moving on then? | 16:10 |
| kozhukalov_ | are we going to move network stuff into a separate service somewhen? | 16:10 |
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| xarses | kozhukalov_: I think its a future goal that we might start to address in 8.0 | 16:11 |
| akasatkin_ | we have no strict plan on that | 16:12 |
| ogelbukh | should we think about rather adopting Neutron for this? ;) | 16:12 |
| kozhukalov_ | i mean something like, when nailgun will call kinda API to allocate networks | 16:12 |
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| ogelbukh | from what I read in spec, it looks pretty much like we should | 16:12 |
| akasatkin_ | it looks more as a plugin for me now | 16:13 |
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| kozhukalov_ | ogelbukh: yes, it is exactly what i have in my mind when talking about this | 16:13 |
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| xarses | ogelbukh: its about setting up underlay network though | 16:13 |
| ogelbukh | xarses: right, but still | 16:14 |
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| ogelbukh | xarses: we can use it with custom plugin if we need | 16:14 |
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| xarses | it's an interesting point, I'm not sure it would work reliably enough. It needs more thought | 16:14 |
| kozhukalov_ | the same is about volume manager | 16:14 |
| akasatkin_ | there are a number of entities there: networks, network roles, nics, | 16:14 |
| ogelbukh | kozhukalov_: + | 16:14 |
| kozhukalov_ | it would be great to deal with volumes via a separate service or at lease separate python module | 16:15 |
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| ogelbukh | akasatkin_: neutron has it all as well | 16:15 |
| akasatkin_ | yep | 16:15 |
| ogelbukh | and a community to support it | 16:15 |
| ogelbukh | which we don't | 16:16 |
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| ogelbukh | well, that's just a thought | 16:16 |
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| ogelbukh | but I'd like to plant it :) | 16:16 |
| kozhukalov_ | for volumes we probably could adopt cinder, but i am not sure about this | 16:16 |
| akasatkin_ | let's discuss it separately then | 16:17 |
| ogelbukh | sure thing | 16:17 |
| xarses | ogelbukh: it would be good to get something written down on the ML about how it might work | 16:17 |
| ogelbukh | kozhukalov_: I'm not sure cinder is good for managing what we have | 16:17 |
| ogelbukh | xarses: I'll see what I can do here | 16:18 |
| xarses | thanks, It's and interesting topic and would need more details | 16:18 |
| ogelbukh | I think we should move on though | 16:18 |
| xarses | #topic open-discuss | 16:18 |
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| xarses | thats the end of our topics scheduled. | 16:19 |
| xarses | does anyone have any other specs or bugs to discuss | 16:19 |
| ogelbukh | looks like we already had it :) | 16:19 |
| ogelbukh | well, I've got 2 upgrade-related specs | 16:19 |
| ogelbukh | targeted to 7.0 | 16:19 |
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| xarses | please continue | 16:21 |
| ogelbukh | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/185136/ | 16:21 |
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| ogelbukh | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/192551/ | 16:21 |
| ogelbukh | first one is an external logic that does upgrade openstack env | 16:22 |
| mattymo | looks like the bot doesn't want to behave on links | 16:22 |
| ogelbukh | that's because I'm not a chair, I guess | 16:22 |
| xarses | shouln't matter =( | 16:22 |
| xarses | shouldn't even | 16:22 |
| ogelbukh | second one is an extension to nailgun API to facilitate upgrade of cluster settings | 16:23 |
| ogelbukh | it's rather modest at the moment | 16:23 |
| ogelbukh | as it should talk more about proper versioning of cluster object and stuff | 16:24 |
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| ogelbukh | but we are rather limited on dev resources | 16:25 |
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| ogelbukh | so I don't want to bite more than we can chew | 16:25 |
| kozhukalov_ | ogelbukh: thanks for links, interesting | 16:25 |
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| ogelbukh | kozhukalov_: I would much appreciate any feedback on them | 16:26 |
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| kozhukalov_ | ogelbukh: yes, will have a look at them | 16:26 |
| xarses | So like with advanced networking, lets identify what parts we can Implement ad increments and ensure that we can get partial progress | 16:26 |
| ogelbukh | thanks! | 16:26 |
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| ogelbukh | xarses: that | 16:26 |
| ogelbukh | is exactly what I tried to do | 16:26 |
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| xarses | thanks! | 16:27 |
| xarses | any other topics to discuss? | 16:27 |
| ogelbukh | thus the nailgun api proposal is very limited in scope | 16:27 |
| ogelbukh | not from my side, thank you | 16:27 |
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| xarses | anyone else? | 16:27 |
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| kozhukalov_ | not from me as well | 16:28 |
| xarses | ok, I will close the meeting thanks! | 16:28 |
| xarses | #endmeeting | 16:28 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 18 16:28:28 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:28 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2015/fuel.2015-06-18-16.02.html | 16:28 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2015/fuel.2015-06-18-16.02.txt | 16:28 |
| kozhukalov_ | xarses: thanks to you | 16:28 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2015/fuel.2015-06-18-16.02.log.html | 16:28 |
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| tmcpeak | hola :P | 17:00 |
| hyakuhei_ | yo | 17:00 |
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| dg_ | hey guys | 17:01 |
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| hyakuhei | #startmeeting Security | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 18 17:01:37 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hyakuhei. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
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| hyakuhei | Sorry about the delay! | 17:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 17:01 |
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| tmcpeak | all good man | 17:01 |
| nkinder | Hi all | 17:01 |
| sicarie | o/ | 17:01 |
| hyakuhei | Thanks to tmcpeak for covering things last week, I was travelling | 17:01 |
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| browne | hi | 17:01 |
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| hyakuhei | Hi :) | 17:02 |
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| tmcpeak | #meetup :D | 17:02 |
| bknudson | hi | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | Ok, so agenda today - updates on projects - meetup - summit abstracts - git repos - docs | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | hey bknudson | 17:03 |
| michaelxin | +1 | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | Thanks for agreeing to represent security at the Xproject meetings | 17:03 |
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| tmcpeak | +1 thanks bknudson! | 17:03 |
| bknudson | y, so if you want me to announce anything will do. | 17:03 |
| bknudson | I didn't have anything for last week | 17:03 |
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| bknudson | would be happy to announce a bandit release! | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | michaelxin: do you want to talk about fuzzing at all? | 17:04 |
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| hyakuhei | (thanks for the @rackspace contributions to Bandit btw) | 17:04 |
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| michaelxin | sure | 17:04 |
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| tmcpeak | +1 ! | 17:04 |
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| hyakuhei | ok lets start with the fun stuff | 17:05 |
| bknudson | lots of interest in bandit everywhere. | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | #topic meetup | 17:05 |
| elmiko | yea | 17:05 |
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| tmcpeak | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-liberty-midcycle | 17:05 |
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| hyakuhei | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-liberty-midcycle | 17:05 |
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| hyakuhei | I think we’ve probably grown enough in terms of scope that we probably cant make a multi-project thing work | 17:06 |
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| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: +1 | 17:06 |
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| hyakuhei | There’s a few opportunities with locations. Suggestions at the moment include SanFrancisco, Seattle and Cheltenham(UK) | 17:06 |
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| hyakuhei | I’m making the gross assumption that most US folks wont get budget to come over to the UK ? | 17:07 |
| michaelxin | ha | 17:07 |
| tmcpeak | yeah probs not :\ | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | Though we’re a grown up (proper) openstack project now so perhaps budgets will be better… | 17:07 |
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| browne | UK, might be harder, but it would be pretty awesome | 17:07 |
| michaelxin | if anyone want to come to hot texas, Rackspace will be happy to host it. | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | michaelxin: I just got home from Arizona, I think I’ll pass. | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | TY though :P | 17:07 |
| bknudson | The keystone meetups were in San Antonio and the heat wasn't bad. I thought. | 17:08 |
| hyakuhei | I’ll add Austin to the list, we need to lock in dates soon too. | 17:08 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson: ++ | 17:08 |
| hyakuhei | I’m happy to consider it and let people decide/vote | 17:08 |
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| morganfainberg | hyakuhei: I highly recommend Austin if you have a place to host. San Antonio was great because geekdom is there. | 17:08 |
| hyakuhei | HP will be happy to host in Seattle, Uber in SF, Rackspace in Texas somewhere | 17:08 |
| michaelxin | we have an office in Austin too. | 17:09 |
| dg_ | Austin would be cool. Chair6 I take it all back! | 17:09 |
| tmcpeak | location is probably somewhat dependent on timing too, right? | 17:09 |
| michaelxin | I will check with them. It should not be a problem. | 17:09 |
| browne | you can add VMware in Palo Alto as a site option | 17:09 |
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| hyakuhei | Ok, so we’ve got a reasonable template for getting this working now, it might depend on how far we’re asking people to travel etc. | 17:10 |
| bknudson | I'd offer up IBM in Rochester but I'd rather go elsewhere, too. | 17:10 |
| tmcpeak | ;) | 17:10 |
| browne | where are most people located? | 17:10 |
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| browne | west coast? | 17:10 |
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| tmcpeak | mostly | 17:11 |
| hyakuhei | Pretty spread out, a few more west coast, 3-4 in the UK | 17:11 |
| timkennedy | how big of a group is it? | 17:12 |
| hyakuhei | Normally ends up being 12-16 people iirc. | 17:12 |
| hyakuhei | Last time was maybe 18 at the busiest time | 17:12 |
| timkennedy | ok | 17:12 |
| hyakuhei | Ok, so lets continue to discuss on the etherpad | 17:12 |
| hyakuhei | #topic CoreSec | 17:13 |
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| hyakuhei | Did you all see the CoreSec emails on -dev? | 17:13 |
| michaelxin | no | 17:13 |
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| hyakuhei | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-June/066550.html | 17:13 |
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| hyakuhei | There are two nominations in flight atm, both need to be looked at and potentially +1’ing | 17:14 |
| nkinder | hyakuhei: yep, I need to chime in on those | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | Thanks. | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | We’re down to two people | 17:14 |
| bknudson | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-June/066951.html | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | I’ve also asked the VMT to review and comment | 17:14 |
| bknudson | Michael McCune | 17:14 |
| bknudson | elmiko: ^ | 17:14 |
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| * elmiko waves | 17:15 | |
| michaelxin | good | 17:15 |
| bknudson | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-June/067079.html | 17:15 |
| bknudson | Travis McPeak | 17:15 |
| hyakuhei | thanks bknudson | 17:15 |
| tmcpeak | :D | 17:15 |
| bknudson | I wouldn't -1 either of those... and I -1 a lot. | 17:15 |
| elmiko | aww ;) | 17:15 |
| nkinder | that is saying a lot! :) | 17:15 |
| bknudson | actually would happily +1 | 17:16 |
| hyakuhei | Heh, would you +1 them though…. :P | 17:16 |
| hyakuhei | pah. | 17:16 |
| elmiko | lol | 17:16 |
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| hyakuhei | Ok yes, go forth and +1 if you feel these are good candidates. | 17:16 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Bandit | 17:16 |
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| tmcpeak | ;) | 17:16 |
| hyakuhei | What’s the latest chaps ? | 17:16 |
| tmcpeak | just put up a review for a new test yesterday | 17:16 |
| tmcpeak | seems like paramiko runs commands directly on the shell | 17:16 |
| tmcpeak | so added a test for that | 17:17 |
| bknudson | bandit is running on keystoneclient: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/134700/ | 17:17 |
| tmcpeak | sigmavirus24: has a big change for proper plugins that I believe is almost done | 17:17 |
| tmcpeak | then we'll push a new version to PyPI | 17:17 |
| tmcpeak | bknudson: awesome!! | 17:17 |
| bknudson | I'm going to ask to make it voting at next keystone meeting | 17:17 |
| michaelxin | I talked with our private cloud team and recommended them use bandit too. | 17:17 |
| Daviey | i got my first bandit fix in this week, fun issue. wasn't what the bug reported it to be - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190704/ | 17:18 |
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| hyakuhei | Any movement on the multi-threaded stuff? | 17:18 |
| tmcpeak | bknudson: double awesome! | 17:18 |
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| tmcpeak | oh yeah, Daviey: that was a good catch | 17:18 |
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| Daviey | ta | 17:18 |
| bknudson | I need to look into an issue with keystoneclient bandit... jobs are failing for no reason -- https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191653/ | 17:18 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: no, sigmavirus24 I think is doing most of the stuff in his spare time, so it's a little slow | 17:18 |
| hyakuhei | Welcome Daviey! Thanks for the fix | 17:19 |
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| nkinder | bknudson: hmm, strange - "ERROR: unknown environment 'bandit'" | 17:19 |
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| tmcpeak | ruhroh | 17:20 |
| bknudson | y, I don't get it. Might have to ask on infra | 17:20 |
| bknudson | after the meeting | 17:20 |
| tmcpeak | bknudson: I'll be curious | 17:21 |
| tmcpeak | sorry, quick sneak back to meetup | 17:21 |
| tmcpeak | when are we finalizing dates? I might have to move some stuff in personal schedule to accomodate one of those weeks | 17:22 |
| dg_ | +1 | 17:22 |
| hyakuhei | Lets try to get it locked in by next week | 17:22 |
| tmcpeak | ok cool | 17:23 |
| hyakuhei | by the Security meeting next week | 17:23 |
| bknudson | I didn't put my name on any dates since they all work for me. | 17:23 |
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| tmcpeak | cool, sorry to derail :) | 17:23 |
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| hyakuhei | no worries | 17:24 |
| hyakuhei | sicarie: you around to talk docs? | 17:24 |
| sicarie | Sure | 17:24 |
| hyakuhei | #topic docs | 17:24 |
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| sicarie | We're moving towards the migration from docbook to RST - we're going to submit the bp as soon as we determine where we should put it | 17:25 |
| nkinder | s/bp/spec/ | 17:25 |
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| sicarie | +1 thanks nkinder | 17:25 |
| elmiko | i like the idea of a sec-group repo | 17:25 |
| hyakuhei | Wonderful. Docbook is so horrible. | 17:25 |
| elmiko | (for specs that is) | 17:25 |
| nkinder | We had a few proposals we discussed | 17:25 |
| nkinder | create security-specs, or use doc-specs | 17:26 |
| elmiko | yea, i'm on the fence about that one | 17:26 |
| nkinder | for the security guide, using doc-specs seems like it would be a good idea if the rest of the doc folks are OK with it | 17:26 |
| hyakuhei | Bandit will need specs soon | 17:26 |
| sicarie | I'd personally prefer to create security-specs as the doc team doesn't claim us :( | 17:26 |
| nkinder | mainly so we can make sure we do things in a consistent way with the other docs | 17:26 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: +1 | 17:26 |
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| Daviey | Just to check, there aren't any sections wanted / gaps - blueprints open at the moment, just a case studies one? | 17:26 |
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| elmiko | hyakuhei: and anchor too? | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | sicarie: has a low-hanging fruit bug open I think ? | 17:27 |
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| sicarie | Open sec-guide bugs are: #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bugs?field.tag=sec-guide | 17:27 |
| sicarie | No specs are in for any of them | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | It certainly needs a better way to manage proposals too | 17:27 |
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| nkinder | elmiko: I actually think anchor should be totally separate (it's really looking to be it's own project) | 17:27 |
| sicarie | I'd be very interested in creating a spec for both case studies and the compute chapter | 17:27 |
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| elmiko | if doc team truly doesn't claim sec-guide, then i'm all for using a security-group repo for the specs. otherwise... | 17:28 |
| elmiko | nkinder: ack | 17:28 |
| nkinder | sicarie: I'm ok with that | 17:28 |
| nkinder | we can always ask other doc folks to review our stuff too | 17:28 |
| hyakuhei | Bandit and Anchor are both built _for_ OpenStack, they just don’t tightly couple to it | 17:28 |
| sicarie | nkinder: the doc team is great about reviewing and supporting, but they do make a point to note we don't live in their repo | 17:28 |
| bknudson | There are openstack-specific checks in bandit | 17:28 |
| hyakuhei | There are OpenStack-specific validators and authentication plugins in Anchor | 17:29 |
| elmiko | sicarie: then yea, somewhere in a sec-repo would be cool. | 17:29 |
| bknudson | if it's pluggable we could move those to an openstack-specific lib | 17:29 |
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| nkinder | I see Anchor as an operator exposed thing though, where bandit is a security tool designed for CI of OpenStack (though usable for more) | 17:29 |
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| hyakuhei | I’m not sure it’s something to get hung up on either way tbh. We’ve got real work to do :) | 17:30 |
| sicarie | and on that note | 17:30 |
| sicarie | Case study etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sec-guide-case-studies | 17:30 |
| hyakuhei | Ah yes :) | 17:31 |
| sicarie | Please take a look, we have one in-review now | 17:31 |
| sicarie | a few more that need to be validated/refactored for Alice, and then all of Bob's need to be reviewed | 17:31 |
| sicarie | And then the hypervisor chapter has been moved into the Compute chapter | 17:31 |
| sicarie | and my thoughts on what else should go in there are: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/secguide-compute | 17:31 |
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| sicarie | and thanks to Daviey for his input on the in-process case study! | 17:32 |
| hyakuhei | Great, it’d be good to get some more input for sicarie | 17:32 |
| shelleea | I'll take a look at some of the Case Studies today/tomorrow | 17:32 |
| hyakuhei | nkinder: How’re the OSSNs looking? | 17:33 |
| hyakuhei | Thanks shelleea | 17:33 |
| nkinder | we have a bit of a backlog of low-hanging issues | 17:33 |
| michaelxin | sicarie: good job | 17:33 |
| nkinder | Some are blocked (we want a recommendation or pending patch first for instance) | 17:33 |
| elmiko | i just started tackling 0049, the ironic password/token thing | 17:33 |
| hyakuhei | Eeep I think I might have one of them assigned to me! | 17:33 |
| nkinder | elmiko: cool. I noticed you updated the page to take one | 17:33 |
| nkinder | I will grab one of the keystone ones in the next week | 17:34 |
| elmiko | nkinder: hopefully i'll have a first draft up tomorrow. it's pretty straight-forward. i'm just trying to create some examples of the output. | 17:34 |
| hyakuhei | There’s a couple of things in the VMT pipeline that will end up as OSSN too I think | 17:34 |
| nkinder | elmiko: great | 17:34 |
| michaelxin | elmiko: +1 | 17:34 |
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| hyakuhei | Cool, so I think that’s all I had for today… | 17:35 |
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| tmcpeak | cool, sounds good | 17:36 |
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| hyakuhei | Make sure you update the mid-cycle etherpad if you want to be able to go | 17:36 |
| hyakuhei | Have a great week all! | 17:36 |
| nkinder | thanks! | 17:36 |
| tmcpeak | later! | 17:36 |
| michaelxin | thanks. | 17:36 |
| elmiko | thanks hyakuhei | 17:36 |
| hyakuhei | #endmeeting | 17:36 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 18 17:36:44 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:36 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2015/security.2015-06-18-17.01.html | 17:36 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2015/security.2015-06-18-17.01.txt | 17:36 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2015/security.2015-06-18-17.01.log.html | 17:36 |
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| bknudson | ok, off to -infra | 17:37 |
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| amitgandhinz | #startmeeting Poppy Weekly Meeting | 18:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 18 18:59:27 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is amitgandhinz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Poppy Weekly Meeting)" | 18:59 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'poppy_weekly_meeting' | 18:59 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic RollCall | 18:59 |
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| malini | o/ | 19:00 |
| slackorama | o/ | 19:00 |
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| anantha | o/ | 19:01 |
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| cathR | o/ | 19:01 |
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| tonytan4ever | o/ | 19:02 |
| amitgandhinz | #link Agenda - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Poppy | 19:02 |
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| obulpathi | o/ | 19:02 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic Last Weeks Action Items | 19:02 |
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| amitgandhinz | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2015/poppy_weekly_meeting.2015-06-11-19.01.html | 19:02 |
| amitgandhinz | 1. malini did you groom the bugs? | 19:03 |
| * amitgandhinz i know i didnt get to that =( | 19:03 | |
| malini | me neither | 19:03 |
| amitgandhinz | ok carry this forward | 19:03 |
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| amitgandhinz | #action amitgandhinz and malini to groom the bugs | 19:03 |
| malini | I'll surely get to it by then | 19:03 |
| amitgandhinz | 2. malini to sync up with michael xin regarding security tests | 19:04 |
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| malini | that happened :) | 19:04 |
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| amitgandhinz | malini: you want to give a quick recap of the conversation and the action items out of it | 19:04 |
| malini | So Mike & co are going to first address the outstanding patches | 19:04 |
| malini | there are 3 of them tht needs rebase, updates etc. | 19:04 |
| malini | Once those are merged, we'll have more patches from them - maybe we shud have an actio item rolling over every week to add new tests? | 19:05 |
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| malini | #action: malini to work with Mike Xin & get the outstanding patches merged | 19:05 |
| amitgandhinz | ugh you beat me to it | 19:06 |
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| malini | jian5397: ^ | 19:06 |
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| amitgandhinz | #topic Liberty 1 Updates | 19:06 |
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| amitgandhinz | #link https://launchpad.net/poppy/+milestone/liberty-1 | 19:06 |
| amitgandhinz | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/host-header-forwarding | 19:07 |
| amitgandhinz | anantha has this in code review | 19:07 |
| amitgandhinz | can everyone please review it | 19:07 |
| amitgandhinz | we should try to get this merged | 19:07 |
| obulpathi | sure | 19:07 |
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| tonytan4ever | will do | 19:07 |
| anantha | Yep, I've addressed all previous comments by malini and obulpathi | 19:07 |
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| malini | thx anantha | 19:08 |
| malini | will review | 19:08 |
| amitgandhinz | thanks | 19:08 |
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| amitgandhinz | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/security-testing | 19:08 |
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| amitgandhinz | malini: jian5397: ^ | 19:08 |
| amitgandhinz | i guess malini needs to bug jian5397 for this =P | 19:08 |
| malini | ok - I can do tht | 19:08 |
| malini | bugging is my second nature ;) | 19:08 |
| amitgandhinz | miqui: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/devstack | 19:08 |
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| amitgandhinz | sriram worked on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/log-delivery | 19:10 |
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| amitgandhinz | we need to get that merged too | 19:10 |
| amitgandhinz | obulpathi: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/enable-disable-service | 19:10 |
| obulpathi | its done | 19:11 |
| obulpathi | wait, | 19:11 |
| amitgandhinz | although anantha is working on moving it to an admin endpoint | 19:11 |
| obulpathi | ananta is changing the implementation | 19:11 |
| obulpathi | yep | 19:11 |
| amitgandhinz | ok i will keep the status as in progress. anantha i guess this is the bp you need to reference ;-) | 19:11 |
| malini | talking abt admin endpoint - shud we also move create/delete flavors there? | 19:12 |
| anantha | Oh I see. I created a new BP. | 19:12 |
| obulpathi | malini: thats a good idea | 19:12 |
| amitgandhinz | malini: possibly. although i kind of like the restful natire of those endpoints as they are currently | 19:12 |
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| malini | is the admin endpoint unresty? | 19:13 |
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| amitgandhinz | a little bit only because admin isnt actually an entity | 19:13 |
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| malini | do we really need tht /admin in the url? | 19:14 |
| amitgandhinz | also, creating/deleting flavors are actions against the flavor entity itself and we can restrict access to them | 19:14 |
| amitgandhinz | hmmm.... | 19:14 |
| cathR | we have create/delete flavors doc'ed in the RS Admin Guide... guess it is in the right place :) | 19:14 |
| amitgandhinz | so we could have POST /services/state { ... } | 19:14 |
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| amitgandhinz | cathR: yup | 19:15 |
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| malini | amitgandhinz: possibly | 19:15 |
| amitgandhinz | and then lock that url to operators only | 19:15 |
| malini | yeap | 19:15 |
| amitgandhinz | likewise /domains/domain_name | 19:15 |
| amitgandhinz | so we dont segment them into an admin path | 19:15 |
| amitgandhinz | but we just lock those urls down in the rbac/repose component | 19:15 |
| malini | yeap | 19:16 |
| anantha | shall i change the code? One PR is already out | 19:16 |
| amitgandhinz | does anyone have concerns with this structure? | 19:17 |
| amitgandhinz | #info get rid of /admin/... endpoints | 19:17 |
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| amitgandhinz | #info use /services/state { ... } for updating a state and restrict access in repose | 19:17 |
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| obulpathi | /services/state | 19:17 |
| tonytan4ever | +1 with passing stuff in the body instead of in url | 19:17 |
| amitgandhinz | #info use /domains/{domian_name} and resrtict access in repose | 19:17 |
| obulpathi | hmm .. won't pecan interpret the state as uuid? | 19:18 |
| amitgandhinz | obulpathi is right | 19:18 |
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| amitgandhinz | what about PATCH /services { "field } | 19:19 |
| obulpathi | or we can have services/service_id/state? | 19:19 |
| amitgandhinz | what about PATCH /services { "field" : "state", "value": "enabled", } | 19:19 |
| malini | but then we'll have problems restricting access -rt? | 19:19 |
| obulpathi | patch will be difficult to implement | 19:19 |
| amitgandhinz | malini: we can still restrict that access | 19:19 |
| amitgandhinz | but then we will have serviceid in url and in body = duplication | 19:19 |
| obulpathi | because at the identity level we don't know what is allowed by user and what is by admin | 19:20 |
| tonytan4ever | I think we should put service id for /state endpoint in the body | 19:20 |
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| amitgandhinz | +1 | 19:20 |
| obulpathi | we need to look into patch body and infer if thats admin only update or user allowed update | 19:20 |
| obulpathi | +1 to tonytan4ever's idea | 19:20 |
| malini | can repose do tht? | 19:20 |
| amitgandhinz | no | 19:21 |
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| amitgandhinz | repose can only check url's and roles | 19:21 |
| amitgandhinz | how bad is it really to duplicate the service id in the url and the body? | 19:22 |
| amitgandhinz | or not include it in the body | 19:22 |
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| amitgandhinz | or is that just weird and confusing | 19:22 |
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| tonytan4ever | The service id in url makes me think if we are doing something with the admin user's service | 19:23 |
| tonytan4ever | That's the confusing part. | 19:23 |
| amitgandhinz | good point | 19:23 |
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| malini | amitgandhinz: u meant PATCH /service/{id}/state ? | 19:24 |
| amitgandhinz | ya | 19:24 |
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| malini | {'id': ''ss', 'state': 'disabled'} | 19:24 |
| obulpathi | or should we implement admin api separately? | 19:24 |
| obulpathi | like admin.cdn.com? | 19:24 |
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| amitgandhinz | but then is that {id} a service that belongs to the privileged user making this call, or a customers's service id | 19:24 |
| amitgandhinz | obulpathi: i like the idea of it all being part of poppy | 19:25 |
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| amitgandhinz | makes it easier to deploy and maintain | 19:25 |
| malini | grr…this is getting messy | 19:25 |
| malini | how do everybody else do that? | 19:25 |
| obulpathi | ok .. lets think about this for this week | 19:25 |
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| malini | we can always iterate & make this better | 19:26 |
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| amitgandhinz | for now lets continue with tthe /admin/... patch that is already out there and then iterate on it | 19:26 |
| malini | +1 | 19:26 |
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| amitgandhinz | ok moving on... | 19:27 |
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| amitgandhinz | tonytan4ever: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/geo-restrictions | 19:27 |
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| tonytan4ever | This one is yet to be started. | 19:27 |
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| amitgandhinz | slackorama: does edgecast have some good docs on how its API implemented geo restrictions and what countrycodes/regions are supported? | 19:28 |
| tonytan4ever | Planning to start it tomorrow. We will need to think about supported country codes and region codes though | 19:28 |
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| slackorama | amitgandhinz: Not really. Frankly, it's kind of a PITA to do it via the API. | 19:29 |
| amitgandhinz | we may want to make the list of regions presented by poppy configurable (db table?) and then have a mapping to providers supported country codes | 19:29 |
| amitgandhinz | slackorama: why is that? | 19:30 |
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| slackorama | amitgandhinz: because it's done via xml inside of a json object via an undocumented beta API. | 19:32 |
| malini | wow!! | 19:32 |
| amitgandhinz | ouch | 19:32 |
| malini | xml inside of json - tht takes creativity :) | 19:32 |
| slackorama | i think that pretty much is a textbook definition for PITA. | 19:32 |
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| amitgandhinz | im just glad that openstack has dropped support for xml | 19:33 |
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| amitgandhinz | and final bp - anantha https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/operator-state-api | 19:34 |
| amitgandhinz | this is the same as obulpathi one right? | 19:34 |
| anantha | Yep | 19:34 |
| amitgandhinz | ok, lets use the original one obulpathi had, and get rid of this oen | 19:34 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic OpenDiscussion | 19:34 |
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| amitgandhinz | anyone have any specific topics to discuss? | 19:35 |
| amitgandhinz | slackorama: are is it going getting poppy up and running? | 19:35 |
| amitgandhinz | s/are/how | 19:35 |
| slackorama | amitgandhinz: I have it up and running (thanks obulpathi). working on the driver as much as I can. | 19:36 |
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| obulpathi | you are welcome :) | 19:36 |
| malini | I havent been able to update the end to end tests yet :/ | 19:36 |
| malini | will get to it after next week | 19:36 |
| obulpathi | most of us are active in poppy channel from 9 - 5 EST | 19:37 |
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| obulpathi | so if you have any questions, that would be the best time | 19:37 |
| amitgandhinz | cool let us know how we can help you | 19:37 |
| amitgandhinz | and how to make this process better | 19:38 |
| slackorama | thanks. | 19:38 |
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| amitgandhinz | ok any topics to be discussed? | 19:38 |
| malini | none from me | 19:38 |
| tonytan4ever | I am good. | 19:39 |
| obulpathi | I am good | 19:39 |
| slackorama | I'm good. | 19:39 |
| amitgandhinz | okay. thanks everyone =) | 19:39 |
| amitgandhinz | #endmeeting | 19:39 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 18 19:39:45 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:39 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2015/poppy_weekly_meeting.2015-06-18-18.59.html | 19:39 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2015/poppy_weekly_meeting.2015-06-18-18.59.txt | 19:39 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2015/poppy_weekly_meeting.2015-06-18-18.59.log.html | 19:39 |
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