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-openstackstatus- NOTICE: Gerrit has been downgraded to version 2.8 due to the issues observed today. Please report further problems in #openstack-infra.00:56
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adrian_otto#startmeeting containers16:03
openstackMeeting started Tue May 12 16:03:06 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:03
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:03
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'containers'16:03
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adrian_otto#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda_for_2015-05-12_1600_UTC Our Agenda16:03
adrian_otto#topic Roll Call16:03
xeko/16:03
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adrian_ottoAdrian Otto16:03
apmeltonAndrew Melton16:03
joffterJennifer Carlucci16:03
hongbino/16:03
TangoTon Ngo16:03
jugglerPerry Rivera16:03
sdake_yar hey folks sdake here o/16:03
johnthetubaguyJohn Garbutt (lurking only)16:03
rpothierRob Pothier16:03
adrian_ottoHello xek, apmelton, joffter, hongbin, Tango, juggler, sdake_, johnthetubaguy, and rpothier16:04
adrian_ottospecial welcome to johnthetubaguy, our Nova PTL here to discuss our nova-docker agenda item with us16:04
adrian_ottodo we have other Nova team members present today?16:05
adrian_ottook, let's begin16:05
adrian_otto#topic Announcements16:05
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adrian_otto1) Reminder: Our IRC Meeting will be skipped on 2015-05-19 because we will be at the Vancouver Design Summit16:05
adrian_ottothat's next week16:05
adrian_ottowe have a very full summit coming up.16:06
jjlehro/16:06
adrian_otto2) I will be moving our topics from our etherpad to the design summit schedule today16:06
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sdake_hmm I did that this morning adrian_otto ;-)16:06
sdake_but feel free to reorder16:06
adrian_ottoYay, one less thing to do!16:07
jugglernifty16:07
adrian_ottothanks for your help sdake_16:07
sdake_the summit orgs want to lock down the schedule today16:07
sdake_so we need to finish the job on that asap16:07
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adrian_otto3) We found a defect in 2015.1.016:07
sdake_5 defects in fact ;-)16:07
adrian_ottoso we will be releasing 2015.1.1 based on stable/keystone16:07
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sdake_stable/kilo ;-)16:08
* sdake_ thinks adrian_otto needs more sleep :)16:08
adrian_ottothis raises the question of the effectiveness of our gate tests, which we can discuss in Open Discussion today16:08
adrian_ottoOMG, what did I say16:08
diga_Digambar Patil16:08
adrian_ottoyes, I in fact only had 3 hours of sleep16:08
jugglerhehe16:08
adrian_ottosorry, you know what I meant16:08
sdake_adrian_otto tell me about it been running on 5 hrs of sleep for 5 weeks str816:09
adrian_ottoso I wanted to bring up the release to see if there are any other backports that we should get in before I tag 2015.1.1?16:09
sdake_but got 12 yesterday so I am rockin today :)16:09
adrian_ottosdake_: I'm jealous16:09
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adrian_ottothat's it for prepared announcements.16:09
adrian_ottoany announcements form team members?16:09
adrian_otto*from16:09
sdake_yes16:10
sdake_magnum is finally operational in kolla as a container16:10
sdake_\o/16:10
adrian_ottoWHOOT!!16:10
apmeltonwoooo16:10
sdake_redis example works16:10
juggleryeah16:10
jjlehrcool!16:10
adrian_ottosdake, do we need any docs for how to set that up?16:10
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adrian_ottoperhaps juggler may be willing to volunteer to assist?16:10
juggler*gulp* :)16:11
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sdake_docs, hmm, you just run kolla start16:11
sdake_and your good to go16:11
juggleror verify at the least16:11
sdake_there are scripts in the demo/magnum directory of kolla16:11
sdake_juggler ya feel free to verify16:11
adrian_ottomaybe we can just mention that in our FAQ16:11
sdake_that run the examples16:11
sdake_adrian_otto faq is good idea16:12
sdake_juggler could use a second eyeball set to verify if your up to it16:12
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sdake_read kolla dev-quickstart to get rolling16:12
adrian_ottobecause I'd like Openstack cloud operators to know that Magnum will work with an OpenStack cloud where all the services run in Kolla16:12
sdake_should take you less then 20 minutes16:12
juggleri hope :)16:12
adrian_ottoturtles turtles all the way down…16:12
sdake_oh not again ;)16:13
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sdake_someone said tha twith tripleo :)16:13
jugglerturtles?16:13
adrian_ottoawesome. I also got a new computer that I can use to make screencasts with16:13
adrian_ottojuggler: n/m16:13
adrian_ottoso I plan to make one to have on our project page16:13
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adrian_ottoplease raise your hand if you will be attending the Summit next week16:13
adrian_ottoo/16:14
sdake_o/16:14
apmeltono/16:14
hongbino/16:14
Tango0/16:14
johnthetubaguyo/16:14
jjlehro/16:14
rpothiero/16:14
adrian_ottothat's terrific. I have something to share… one sec16:14
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adrian_otto#link http://libertydesignsummit.sched.org/adrian.otto.ics Adrian's Schedule16:15
thomasemHey all, sorry I'm late.16:15
adrian_ottoso those are the sessions I'm planning to attend, including all of ours16:15
adrian_ottoso if you have not planned your week yet, you can use that as a starting point.16:16
adrian_ottook, any more announcements?16:16
adrian_ottowe had no action items last week, so I will skip reviewing that16:16
xekI finished the oslo.versionedobject port https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/versioned-objects16:17
dimso/16:17
adrian_otto#topic It is essential we finish design session planning16:17
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adrian_otto#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-magnum-topics16:17
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adrian_ottosdake_: is there any more to be done here?16:17
sdake_double check, reorg for ordering?16:17
adrian_ottoxek: awesome!16:18
sdake_I had to cut 1 session I think16:18
thomasemo/ I am also attending the Vancouver summit16:18
adrian_ottothomasem: great!16:18
sdake_I ordered based upon when I htink people will be bestfor the most popular +1 sessions16:18
johnthetubaguynot sure if you have seen this one: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Summit/Liberty/Etherpads16:18
adrian_ottothanks johnthetubaguy. I can make sure Magnum's get listed there.16:19
adrian_ottoisn't there also a tool from ttx for getting the abstracts onto the sched.org system?16:19
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johnthetubaguyadrian_otto: there is16:19
adrian_otto#action adrian_otto to add Magnum's design sessions to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Summit/Liberty/Etherpads16:20
johnthetubaguyadrian_otto: design-summit-prep.openstack.org16:20
adrian_ottothanks johnthetubaguy16:20
ttxadrian_otto: I re-sent the email to sdake so he can do it too16:20
adrian_ottothanks ttx16:20
sdake_adrian_otto I can take it on or you can, let me know now so I can plan my day ;)16:20
ttxadrian_otto: but the site shall be self-explaining. Only thing to know is that obvious limitations are by design16:21
adrian_ottosdake_:  Please help with that16:21
sdake_ack16:21
adrian_ottoif too busy I will take it16:21
sdake_i'm good - today is a chill day for me16:21
adrian_ottolooks awesome. great job on this ttx16:21
adrian_ottook, sweet16:21
adrian_ottonext topic16:22
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adrian_ottowe're all good on this, right?16:22
sdake_iwell16:22
sdake_do people want to reorg the sessiosn in any way?16:22
sdake_maybe we should take a couple minutes and look at the etherpad16:22
adrian_ottowe did sort them as a team last week16:22
adrian_ottook, let's review it now16:22
sdake_I dont hvaae a link handy :)16:22
adrian_otto#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-magnum-topics16:23
adrian_ottoyou are welcome to add votes and request a re-sort16:23
adrian_ottoso Scaling Magnum and Everything You Wanted… will drop off16:24
adrian_ottothe previous six will get the workrooms16:24
sdake_nah, on thursday I have those sessions scheduled16:25
sdake_I jut renamed them to somethign shorter to fit in the etherpad16:25
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thomasemCan't remember which I voted for already :(16:25
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thomasembest guess16:26
sdake_everything you wanted to know about magnum dropped off16:26
adrian_ottosdake_: take a look at the numbering I just put in. Does that match your efforts?16:26
jugglerthomasem: i think you're color-coded as powder blue on there. click the users icon (upper right corner)16:26
thomasemjuggler: I am, but some of the coloring got lost in the sorting.16:27
juggleror whatever color that is16:27
juggler:)16:27
thomasem:P16:27
diga_adrian_otto, sdake_ : will there be any possibility/arrangment for remote member to attend the 1/2 session ?16:27
apmeltonI don't see "Magnum Scheduler Design Breakout " in the schedule at the top16:27
juggler+1 diga16:27
sdake_adrian_otto yup looks good16:27
adrian_ottodiga_: Sorry, but not this time16:27
apmeltondid it get merged into something else?16:27
diga_adrian_otto: NP16:27
sdake_I tried to put the sessions equireing high thought on wednesday16:28
jugglerpossible recordings taking place?16:28
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sdake_juggler there is no recording of essions - only 28 seats per room16:28
adrian_ottook, let's wrap up on this one16:28
sdake_the main openstack summit sessions will all be recorded tho16:28
jugglerah16:28
adrian_ottofishbowls do get recorded, I think16:28
sdake_yup that makes sense adrian_otto16:28
adrian_ottook, any final thoughts on this before advancing topics?16:29
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apmeltonsdake_: adrian_otto: "Magnum Scheduler Design Breakout" is number two in the workrooms list, but I don't see it in the schedule16:29
apmeltonwas it renamed or merged with another topic?16:29
adrian_ottoapmelton: sdake_ volunteered to solve this today.16:29
adrian_ottook, let's talk nova-docker16:30
sdake_apmelton I merged that with abstracting the container backend16:30
apmeltonsdake_: ok16:30
adrian_ottoI'm coing to paste a bunch form the agenda in here for archival purposes16:30
sdake_I'll come up with a better title16:30
adrian_otto*going16:30
adrian_ottoEverything in backlog can be moved to the Meetup16:31
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adrian_otto#topic Discuss adopting nova-docker as an in-tree Nova driver16:31
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adrian_otto#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-May/063727.html ML Thread about in-tree nova-docker16:31
adrian_ottoMagnum plans to get all of its Nodes from Nova through Heat. Ideally, these would come from whatever virt-driver Nova has loaded. Over time, we should become more and more agnostic about what instance types Nova produces. One valid use case is running Magnum Bays on Nodes that were created using the nova-docker virt driver such that the Bay Nodes are actually containers, and when we run containers on the Bay, we16:31
* dims pays attention16:31
adrian_ottoNote that use of nova-docker assumed that you use the Nova API to treat a (docker container) Nova instance as a machine, not as a container. All container specific features that reach beyond the scope of the Nova API should be implemented in Magnum, not Nova.16:32
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adrian_ottoNote that nova-docker started within the Nova tree, and was pulled out into a Stackforge project so it could be worked on as a separate effort with a high commit velocity. It needed more test coverage, and additional features. Current commit velocity is low, and there are not a ton of bugs to deal with. Those were added, and now would be a good time to consider bringing it back into the Nova tree again. I think16:32
adrian_ottoLet's discuss the possibility of adopting nova-docker to maintain it within the Nova tree so that it does not fall into disrepair. Do we think this is something we would be willing to take on as part of the Magnum team responsibilities?16:32
adrian_otto#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova-docker/ nova-docker bug list16:32
adrian_ottoAs you can see, the bug list is mostly full of wishlist items for additional features. One approach might be to adopt this as maintainers, not as feature developers. In that case, we would commit to fixing defects, and reviewing new features, but that we would not necessarily allocate any resources into feature development. Thoughts?16:32
adrian_otto(I will give you a moment to digest the quesiton)16:32
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sdake_docker-driver as part of magnum maintenance - not in agreement on this objective16:33
dimsi am already on the hook as a core on the stackforge nova-docker project. fyi.16:33
adrian_ottoNote that containers can come from libvirt-lxc virt driver today, which is in-tree16:33
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dimsso johnthetubaguy, i'll be working/helping on nova-docker whether in-tree or in stackforge16:34
adrian_ottoI suppose the question reduces to how important does the Magnum team think nova-docker merging back into Nova is important, and what effort are we willing to volunteer to ensure that happens, if any?16:35
sdake_I think we need to stay focused on the code bases we have (heat-co-templates, python-magnumclient, and magnum)16:35
adrian_ottodims is already committed16:35
dimssdake_: python-k8client16:35
dimstoo16:35
apmeltonI think maintaining a nova driver clashes with magnum's goals quite a bit16:35
sdake_dims we havet hat integrated in magnum but ya it should probably come out16:35
johnthetubaguyso I am open to ideas here, its just I worry about a team of one on a driver16:35
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johnthetubaguynow I see containers in Nova being useful and important16:35
dimsjohnthetubaguy: i hope to rustle up some folks at the summit16:36
johnthetubaguyreasons covered well on the ML16:36
johnthetubaguyand totally agree that magnum is where the container focused APIs go16:36
sdake_I think it should remain part of nova not part of magnum16:36
sdake_or separate16:36
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sdake_magnum has too much on plate atm16:36
sdake_our dev team is only 40 strong ;)16:36
adrian_ottosdake_: we agree on that16:36
johnthetubaguya nova driver lives in nova, thats cool16:36
sdake_we need moreminerals to take this on16:36
dimsjohnthetubaguy: ++16:36
johnthetubaguyso if you can work with dims to get a community to own the driver and find it useful16:37
johnthetubaguythey thats really cool16:37
johnthetubaguythen thats really cool16:37
thomasemDo we know how far along the nova-docker driver is wrt container nesting and general feature parity with the other drivers?16:37
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dimsjohnthetubaguy: i know some folks who are using it, they are just not on the ML actively16:38
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adrian_ottoSolum uses it16:38
thomasemoh okay16:38
adrian_ottoin the default deploy16:38
thomasemWhat would be the value of the nova-docker driver over libvirt-lxc?16:38
adrian_ottothomasem: great question…16:38
thomasemwhich is already in-tree and supported16:38
johnthetubaguysupport for docker images?16:39
adrian_ottothe advantage is docker images16:39
dimsyep16:39
thomasemthe layered approach?16:39
dimsthe entire docker eco system16:39
jugglerhave the nova-docker folks identified which projects the bugs impacts? perhaps they might be able to wrangle volunteers through those who are interested in obtaining critical fixes?16:39
adrian_ottowhich will reduce the friction needed to produce suitable instances for running a COE16:39
adrian_ottothat should be in our interest because if COE creation is convoluted, development there will not be as active16:40
sdake_i am definately not in favor of implementing a template for COE of nova-docker16:40
adrian_ottoideally we want the addition or adaptation of COE backends for bays to be easy16:40
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johnthetubaguyCOE?16:40
adrian_ottosdake_: okay, can you please explain your rationale?16:40
sdake_we already have swarm which does the jobn nicely16:40
apmeltonsdake_: +1, I think that will diverge quite a bit from other templates16:41
sdake_adrian_otto just explained ^^16:41
adrian_ottoCOE == Container Execution Environment (Kubernetes, Swarm, Mesos, etc.)16:41
sdake_COE = container orchestration environment16:41
apmeltoninteracting with docker images is very different from interacting with nova instances16:41
juggler+1 sdake16:41
apmeltoni.e. cloud init, ssh, etc...16:41
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adrian_ottoyes, orchestration, that's what I meant.16:41
johnthetubaguycool16:41
johnthetubaguythanks16:41
adrian_ottook, so based on initial feedback, our team is not yet willing to expand scope to include the nova-docker virt driver16:42
adrian_ottoany opposing viewpoints to consider?16:43
johnthetubaguyadrian_otto: thats cool, that feels like the right choice16:43
dimstotally agree16:43
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adrian_ottook, and if our position changes, we are happy to revisit it16:43
adrian_ottosince there should be no rush16:44
juggleragree, but as a sugg at the summit maybe bring up that nova-docker could use some assistance?16:44
dims++ juggler16:44
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johnthetubaguywell we need to be able to articulate where its really useful, and where people want to use it16:44
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adrian_ottomost if my arguments for nova-docker can also be answered by libvirt-lxc16:45
adrian_ottoso as long as we have at least *some* answer to a nested container arrangement, I'll be satisfied16:46
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diga_adrian_otto: +116:46
apmeltonat the moment, does the nova docker drive actually use the docker registry or do the iamges have to be hosted in glance?16:46
johnthetubaguyright, libvirt-lxc is staying and maintained16:46
thomasemAlso the docker image still has to wind up in Glance, so...16:46
johnthetubaguywhat would docker do on top?16:46
dimsapmelton: glance16:46
adrian_ottoapmelton: is uses glance now, to my disappointment16:46
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thomasemKind of undermines the point there, while using a swarm backend in Magnum still gets you the docker images16:46
adrian_ottoexactly16:47
adrian_ottoglad we discussed this. Thanks everyone for your input16:47
adrian_ottolet's spend a few minutes on task review now.16:47
adrian_otto#topic Blueprint/Task Review16:47
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adrian_ottoany work items anyone would like to raise for team discussion today?16:47
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johnthetubaguyadrian_otto: thanks for your time on that16:48
xekI submitted a blueprint and would like to get a green light or maybe some comments https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/versioned-objects-indirection-api16:48
adrian_ottojohnthetubaguy: thanks for joining us!16:48
jugglerthx john16:48
* adrian_otto looks at versioned-objects-indirection-api16:48
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dimsthanks johnthetubaguy16:49
adrian_otto#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/versioned-objects-indirection-api Versioned Objects Indirection API16:49
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apmeltonvery interesting xek16:50
adrian_ottoI have no objections to this xek16:50
adrian_ottothoughts from others?16:50
thomasemDidn't know about that16:50
adrian_ottowhat's the T-Shirt size estimate for this?16:50
adrian_ottosounds like an L or XL16:50
apmeltonI almost wonder how crazy it would be to implement our conductors as versioned objects16:50
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xekI plan to implement the object backporting first16:51
apmeltonrather, pulling most of our conductor logic into the versioned objects*16:52
xekand figure out if this can go separate16:52
sdake_zek lgtm16:52
adrian_ottoxek, is this something that's achievable in the Liberty release timeframe?16:52
diga_:)16:52
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xekadrian_otto, I'm pretty sure it's achievable16:53
adrian_ottoand you (or a team you coordinate) is willing to contribute it?16:53
xekadrian_otto, yes, my team is growing :)16:54
xekadrian_otto, we are mainly interested in the ease of upgrades16:54
adrian_ottoDirection == Approved16:54
xekadrian_otto, and making the upgrade process maintainable16:54
adrian_ottoyou are welcome to submit a spec, or patches16:54
sdake_zek we don't have a formal spec process so its not mandatory16:54
xekadrian_otto, ok thanks!16:55
sdake_pehraps after liberty16:55
adrian_ottois there any more design work besides the proposal at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ObjectProposal16:55
adrian_ottothat's complete enough for me16:55
adrian_ottoDefinition == Approved16:56
adrian_ottobring it.16:56
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apmeltonit's getting pretty close to the end, but I wanted to get some eyes on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/async-container-operations16:56
adrian_ottook16:56
apmeltonI think this is pretty critical to magnum, considering one of the stated benefits we'd like to bring to the community was async container operations16:57
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adrian_ottoDirection == Approved16:57
adrian_ottolet's revisit in in our next team meeting in 2 weeks16:58
adrian_ottohopefully you have time to propose a design by then16:58
apmeltonsounds good, I'll have a more detailed plan after the summit anyways16:58
adrian_otto#topic Open DIcsuttion16:58
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diga_apmelton: do you need help on this, please let me know16:58
adrian_otto#topic Open Discussion16:58
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jugglerplease also take a few moments to complete a survey. your feedback is appreciated!: http://goo.gl/forms/W6ggrLiYFv16:58
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juggler(after the meeting)16:58
adrian_ottothanks juggler!!16:58
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adrian_ottoso our time is limited today, sorry about that16:58
juggleryou're welcome!16:59
apmeltondiga_: I appreciate it, it will likely have lots of pieces to work on16:59
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adrian_ottoI look forward to seeing most of you in Vancouver next week16:59
sdake_should send that to the ml16:59
diga_apmelton: Sure16:59
sdake_the survey16:59
adrian_ottoour next team meeting is Tuesday 2015-05-26 at 1600 UTC16:59
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adrian_ottothanks everyone for attending today!16:59
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jugglernoted sdake!17:00
adrian_otto#endmeeting17:00
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sergmelikyan#startmeeting Murano17:00
openstackMeeting started Tue May 12 17:00:53 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is sergmelikyan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Murano)"17:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'murano'17:00
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sergmelikyanHi folks :)17:01
sergmelikyano/17:01
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* sergmelikyan feeling tension before the summit17:01
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sergmelikyanI left same agenda as for previous meeting, because Summit is on the next week, and I feel we have yet things to discuss.17:04
sergmelikyanAs proven on previous meeting summit discussions may take whole meeting, so if you have topics to discuss please propose, and we will discuss them first.17:05
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kzaitsevI have 1n concern, that I wanted to leave untill open discussion =)17:05
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ruhei just wanted to give heads up on what i've been doing with CLI tests for muranoclient17:05
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sergmelikyankzaitsev, naughty boy :)17:06
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sergmelikyan#topic CLI Tests for Murano17:06
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ruheall the CLI tests are going to be moved under python-muranoclient repo and will run as a separate job17:06
ruherunning them will be easy: deploy your openstack, source openrc, run 'tox -e functional'17:07
sergmelikyanruhe, previously we were running them against each commit to murano repo to ensure that they are working with change in API (if any), will it be possible?17:07
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ruhesergmelikyan: yes, it's possible. let's get them working on muranoclient and then enable for commit to murano17:07
sergmelikyanexcellent :) I remember times when API was in active development and client was always behind :)17:08
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sergmelikyanruhe, thank you for jumping on and fixing them!17:08
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sergmelikyanThey broke after we updated requirements to tempest_lib?17:09
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ruheactually there were 3 problems :)17:09
ruhe1. tempest_lib changed API for CLI tests17:09
ruhe2. devstack no longer installs nose (which we rely on)17:09
ruhemy patches migrate tests from nose to testr17:10
ruhe3. in stable/kilo we had incorrect version in setup.cfg17:10
sergmelikyanfor tempest_lib?17:10
* sergmelikyan updated requirements right before release :(17:10
ruheno, this one https://github.com/openstack/murano/blob/master/setup.cfg#L1817:10
ruherequirements are ok17:11
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sergmelikyanAh...17:11
ruhesomehow we managed to have incorrect version in murano-dashboard. AFAIK kzaitsev is working on that17:11
ruhei do not recall myself doing this patch, so i blame evil ghosts17:12
kzaitsevYep. I guess my commits to s/kilo would only pass after commit in murano is merged?17:12
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ruhekzaitsev: correct. we need this one to land first https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182279/17:13
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sergmelikyanI see "# FIXME: see how it's done in saharaclient" is it going to be fixed in the next commit?17:14
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kzaitsevOh. I can actually depend them on it, So that the tests should pass at the very least17:14
ruhesergmelikyan: we'll have to backport my patches to muranoclient17:14
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ruheto get rid of that "FIXME"17:15
ruheone lesson i learned from all this17:15
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sergmelikyanruhe, I think we need to backport them despite stable/kilo is now supported release and we usually only critical fixes porting there17:16
ruhewe should pay closer attention to what's going on in mailing list. Joe Gordon provided excellent instructions to move CLI tests to clients on Feb 13: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-February/056916.html17:16
sergmelikyanI vote for perfectly working CI on stable/* branches17:16
sergmelikyan:(17:16
ruhesergmelikyan: we will *have to* backport this changes17:16
sergmelikyanI've missed his e-mail...17:16
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sergmelikyanI need to configure filter on tempest related e-mails - we heavily depend on devstack & tempest, and any change in tempest may break CI17:17
sergmelikyanruhe, thank you!17:17
ruhewell, sometimes we ignore those message because murano was in stackforge, but even if you're in stackforge and not "integrated" it's better to keep up with community17:18
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sergmelikyanIt's not usually ignorance, but the storm of e-mails each day...17:18
ruheyes, that too17:19
sergmelikyanAny other topics to discuss?17:19
ruhei think we covered this topic enough17:19
kzaitsevSo. With almous every core developer attending summit (except for katyafervent I suppose?) I would like to ask you guys to look at review.openstack.org every once in a while =)) Otherwise reviews would pile up =)))17:19
ruhekzaitsev: absolutely agree17:20
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sergmelikyan+117:21
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sergmelikyan#topic Design Summit17:21
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sergmelikyanI've updated our schedule with links to etherpads, please take a look: libertydesignsummit.sched.org/type/design+summit/Murano17:22
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sergmelikyanWe have pretty open schedule for Contributors Meet-up for now, but I think it will be quickly populated with items17:23
sergmelikyanAnything that you folks feel we should discuss there?17:23
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sergmelikyanStanLagun, hi :)17:25
StanLagunsergmelikyan, hi!. Sorry fir being late17:25
sergmelikyanI have an idea to have a virtual mini-summit after the actual Liberty summit for contributors that are not able to joins us in the Vancouver17:26
StanLagun+many17:26
sergmelikyanI heard nice feedback about them from Glance team, that had that thing not so long ago17:26
henar+117:27
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sergmelikyanI will start preparation right after the Vancouver, I think it should be somewhere in beginning of June, we can't delay to long17:28
sergmelikyan1-3 days, depending on number of topics that we would have to discuss17:28
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sergmelikyanStanLagun, since you here, can you take a look at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano-liberty-work-session-2 ?17:29
sergmelikyanWhat do you think we should also include there?17:30
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StanLagunI'll be on vocation after Vancouver till 5th of June17:30
ruheStanLagun: ha! we'll design everything without you! ;)17:30
sergmelikyan#info Stan is going to be on vacation till 5th of June17:30
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sergmelikyan#info mini-design summit will be held in the beginning of the June17:31
StanLagunsergmelikyan, where?17:31
sergmelikyanStanLagun, you mean which tool?17:31
StanLagunsergmelikyan, I thought it is going to be IRL17:32
StanLagunI think we can add agent authentication to the https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano-liberty-work-session-217:33
sergmelikyanStanLagun, most probably no - it's hard to gather people from around the globe in the same place, and if people missed summit in Vancouver, most probably they will not be able to attend mini design Summit17:33
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StanLagunI remember we had plans to hold it in Poland17:34
sergmelikyanStanLagun, do you think we should mix to topics? Each session is  40m, I'm afraid that we will not have time to cover both of them17:34
sergmelikyan*s/to/two17:34
sergmelikyanStanLagun, let's include agent authentication here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano-liberty-contributors-meetup17:35
StanLagunsergmelikyan, I thing that agent is more important topic and might be more interesting for audience as it is a good topic for collaboration and cross-project activity17:35
sergmelikyanStanLagun, do you think we should swap work-session #2 with discussion about agent authentication?17:37
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StanLagunsergmelikyan, I'd say it is a good idea17:37
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StanLagunwe can vote17:38
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ruhefwiw i don't strong preferences about order of sessions17:38
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sergmelikyanDiscussions on work-session are limited by time, and may have up to 50 participats17:39
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sergmelikyancontributors meetup will be limited by 10 people at max17:39
StanLagunbtw may I add problem #3 to the murano-liberty-work-session-1 ?17:40
sergmelikyanSo topic that require more input from audience is preferred choice for discussing on work session17:40
sergmelikyanStanLagun, sure, if it's related to the topic of the session17:40
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sergmelikyanStanLagun, do you feel that we will implement agent authentication in Liberty and it's need to be discussed?17:41
StanLagunsergmelikyan, I'd say this is the first thing we need to implement. This is a must17:42
sergmelikyanI feel that it will be more interesting topics for work-session, but I am not sure that it will not be wasted if we are not going to work on agent authentication17:42
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StanLagunthere is ongoing discussing on this in ML17:42
sergmelikyan#startvote Should we discuss agent authentication on the work-session #2? Yes, No17:42
openstackBegin voting on: Should we discuss agent authentication on the work-session #2? Valid vote options are Yes, No.17:42
openstackVote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.17:42
StanLagun#vote yes17:43
freerunner#vote yes17:43
aderyugin#vote yes17:44
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DmytroDovbii#vote yes17:44
sergmelikyan#vote yes17:45
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sergmelikyan#endvote17:45
openstackVoted on "Should we discuss agent authentication on the work-session #2?" Results are17:45
openstackYes (5): freerunner, aderyugin, StanLagun, DmytroDovbii, sergmelikyan17:45
sergmelikyanStanLagun, can you update etherpad accordingly, and move previous topic to contributors meetup?17:45
StanLagunsergmelikyan, I'll do it17:46
sergmelikyan#action StanLagun update etherpad for work-session #217:47
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sergmelikyanStanLagun, I will send them to ML once you will update etherpad17:47
sergmelikyanMoving to Open Discussion?17:48
sergmelikyan#topic Open Discussion17:49
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sergmelikyanWe will not have a meeting on the next week due to OpenStack Summit :) I will update our agenda for the next meeting :)17:50
ruheon a related note "Bayern Munich vs Barcelona" starts in less than an hour, so i'd prefer to close the meeting as early as possible :)17:50
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StanLagunruhe, you need a hour to prepare? :)17:51
sergmelikyanStanLagun, beer and other stuff need to be bought?17:52
sergmelikyan#endmeeting17:53
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adrian_otto#startmeeting Solum Team Meeting21:00
openstackMeeting started Tue May 12 21:00:11 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.21:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:00
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adrian_otto#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum#Agenda_for_2015-05-05_2100_UTC Our Agenda21:00
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adrian_otto#topic Roll Call21:00
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adrian_ottoAdrian Otto21:00
james_lijames li21:00
devkulkarnidevdatta kulkarni21:00
datsun180bed cranford21:00
muraliamurali allada21:00
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adrian_ottohello james_li, devkulkarni, datsun180b, and muralia21:01
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james_liHi adrian_otto21:01
devkulkarnihello adrian_otto21:01
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mkamMelissa Kam21:03
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adrian_ottohello mkam21:05
adrian_ottolet's begin21:05
adrian_otto#topic Announcements21:05
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adrian_otto1) Reminder: There will be no team meeting on 2015-05-19 due to the OpenStack Summit.21:05
adrian_ottoany announcements from team members?21:05
devkulkarniI have a couple21:05
adrian_ottodevkulkarni: proceed21:06
devkulkarni1) Vagrant env is back up and running fine21:06
adrian_ottodoes that use nova-docker?21:06
devkulkarniyes21:06
adrian_ottook, thanks.21:06
adrian_ottoAwesome, that's great to hear that it's working now.21:06
devkulkarni2) to show the recent development in Solum, I have cut a screen cast and have uploaded link here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Solum21:07
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devkulkarniSearch for Solum Demos21:07
devkulkarnithere should be two links there21:07
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devkulkarnithose of us who are going to the summit next week, please use opportunity to get users trying out Solum on Vagrant21:08
devkulkarniif possible21:08
devkulkarnithat is all adrian_otto21:08
james_lithats nice, devkulkarni21:09
adrian_ottosweet, thanks devkulkarni21:09
adrian_ottoany other announcements?21:09
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adrian_otto#topic Tagging or next release21:09
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adrian_ottoAre we ready to tag our next release?21:10
datsun180bnot yeeeeet21:10
datsun180bsome changes to ownership of triggers and trusts is in the gate even now21:10
datsun180bchanges ... are in the gate21:10
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devkulkarniadrian_otto what is the latest in this week that we can ping you to cut a release?21:11
jungleboyjo/21:11
adrian_ottoany time21:11
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devkulkarnicool.. the reason I asked is,21:12
adrian_otto#topic Review Action Items21:12
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devkulkarniapart from the trigger changes there are couple of other patches which would be good to have merged21:12
adrian_otto#action adrian_otto to spring clean our blueprints21:12
adrian_otto#action adrian_otto to spring clean our bug list21:12
adrian_otto#action adrian_otto to email the dev list concluding the Solum PTL Election21:12
adrian_ottothat third is easy. should not have forgotten about it21:13
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adrian_ottowill do that as soon as we adjourn21:13
adrian_ottoI really want to cut the release and do the bug clearing at the same time21:13
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devkulkarnifor the bug list clean up.. I think datsun180b had done some for the python-solumclient21:13
adrian_ottobecause there are a ton of bugs in Fix Committed state21:14
devkulkarniright datsun180b?21:14
devkulkarniagreed adrian_otto21:14
adrian_ottoand I want to advance all of those to Fix Released21:14
datsun180bwell all i did last week was run through the most recent three months of bugs and make sure the cli ones were targeted appropriately21:14
adrian_ottothat's why I keep nagging about this21:14
devkulkarnino worries adrian_otto21:14
datsun180bi bet we've got older ones that didn't get updated by robots because we'd been filing everything as solum only21:14
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adrian_ottothanks for getting that ironed out datsun180b21:15
datsun180btwerent nothin21:15
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adrian_ottoI know our bug list for python-solumclient is basically empty21:15
devkulkarnitell you what.. we will try to merge the outstanding patches soon.. if we are not done latest by Friday then I think we can go ahead with the release..21:16
adrian_ottoit's the solum one I want to polish nice and clean21:16
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devkulkarniwhat do others think?21:16
gpilz+121:16
datsun180bsounds good21:16
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muralia+121:17
devkulkarniI will ping you adrian_otto on Thursday/Friday for cutting the release21:17
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adrian_ottook, thanks21:17
adrian_otto#topic BP/Task Review21:18
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adrian_ottoany work items up for team discussion today?21:18
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devkulkarninothing that jumps out for me21:18
adrian_otto#topic Open Discussion21:19
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devkulkarniI have 2 topics here21:19
datsun180bi think jungleboyj had a o/ earlier21:19
jungleboyjdatsun180b: Sorry, wrong meeting room.  As you were.  :-)21:19
datsun180bdue diligence21:20
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devkulkarniadrian_otto: first topic concerns nova-docker driver. read the emails about where the driver should live.. given that solum uses it in the devstack setup, how might we be affected, if any?21:21
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adrian_ottothe discussion is about whether it should be in the Nova tree21:21
adrian_ottocurrently there is only one active maintainer who is also on the Magnum team21:22
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adrian_ottoand the Magnum team discussed the possibility of adopting nova-docker maintenance duty21:22
adrian_ottoand we dicided against taht for now21:22
devkulkarnioh okay21:22
adrian_otto*decided21:22
adrian_ottoso most likely it willr emain unchanged21:23
devkulkarniI see..21:23
adrian_ottowhat might make sense for Solum is to see about integrating with Magnum once heat resources are available21:23
adrian_ottothat should be as simple as a change to a heat template21:23
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devkulkarniif that would be the case then that will be easy21:24
adrian_ottoand we can rely on whatever Nova instance type the given cloud supports21:24
devkulkarnibtw, how far along are heat resources for magnum?21:24
devkulkarnisure21:24
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adrian_ottoI just learned about them a week ago. My understanding is that they are in progress. I have not been keeping track of them.21:24
devkulkarniok21:24
adrian_ottorandallburt knows about them, so you might check with him21:25
devkulkarniis there a magnum + heat session next week?21:25
devkulkarnisure, I will ping randallburt21:25
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adrian_ottono, but we could talk about that in the Friday meetup which is intended for this sort of thing.21:25
devkulkarniI see.. will reach out to randallburt to find out more21:26
devkulkarnithat is all from me on this topic21:26
adrian_ottook21:26
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devkulkarniso the second topic was mostly a request21:26
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adrian_ottoconceptually it would make sense for Solum to create a Magnum Bay (Swarm Cluster) per tenant21:27
devkulkarniI was wondering, when you take our case to TC adrian_otto, would you let us know.. I am curious to be part of that meeting (in spectator role)21:27
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adrian_ottoand then deploy apps onto that just as we would with the docker daemon we launch today21:27
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adrian_ottodevkulkarni: yes, I'll keep you in the loop so you can participate21:28
devkulkarniadrian_otto: thank you!!21:28
devkulkarniadrian_otto: is there a screen cast of magnum demo that you can share with us?21:28
devkulkarniI haven't kept up with magnum terms/concepts21:29
adrian_ottonot yet, but I am making one now21:29
devkulkarnicool21:29
adrian_ottoto my amusement, my laptop was previously incapable of running Quicktime21:29
datsun180bfor your own good21:29
adrian_ottoit would crash hard with a GPU panic every time it started recording21:29
devkulkarnireally?21:29
adrian_ottoeyah, most amusing quirk I have seen in years21:30
devkulkarniwhich version of mac os you had?21:30
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adrian_ottoso I just got a replacement system today, but it's totally blank (no software except OSX)21:30
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adrian_ottoso now I can record using that.21:30
devkulkarnimight want to keep the previous one around for the next week, no?21:30
adrian_ottojust will take some work to set it up21:31
adrian_ottowell, I'm going to Vancouver21:31
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adrian_ottoso I want to be moved over to the new one ASAP so I'm not schlepping two computers around21:31
devkulkarnithats true too21:32
adrian_ottoanyway, Magnum will have a screencast soon21:32
devkulkarniwill look forward to it21:32
adrian_ottothere was an article you might find interesting:21:32
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devkulkarniis there a Vagrant setup for magnum?21:32
datsun180bjust run ssh on the old one and shell from the new one when you need something21:32
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datsun180bleave the old one at home running the whole time, that can't possibly go wrong for a number of security or physical reasons21:33
adrian_ottohttp://www.theplatform.net/2015/05/11/openstack-aims-magnum-at-containers/21:33
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devkulkarnithanks for sharing21:33
devkulkarniwill magnum also support lxd?21:33
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adrian_ottoit could if someone shows up ready to make an LXD bay type for it21:34
adrian_ottocanonical did make an LXD nova driver21:34
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adrian_ottoso that's possible21:34
devkulkarnicurious, are they participating in magnum?21:34
adrian_ottonot that I know of, but I'm finding it difficult to keep track21:35
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devkulkarnigood problem to have21:35
adrian_ottother have been several new committers recently21:35
adrian_ottoyes, indeed21:35
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adrian_ottook, maybe we should wrap up for today, thoguhts?21:35
devkulkarnisounds good21:35
adrian_ottothanks everyone for attending. Our next team meeting will be Tuesday 2015-05-26 at 2100 UTC.21:36
adrian_ottoI might need a hand on that day… not sure yet21:36
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devkulkarnithanks adrian_ottot21:37
devkulkarni*adrian_otto21:37
adrian_ottocatch you then21:37
devkulkarnihave fun next week21:37
adrian_otto#endmeeting21:37
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