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harlowja_at_home#startmeeting oslo16:00
openstackMeeting started Mon May 11 16:00:28 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is harlowja_at_home. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)"16:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'oslo'16:00
ihrachyshkao/16:00
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bknudsonhi16:00
harlowja_at_homecourtesy ping for jd__, dims, bnemec, flaper87, dhellmann, viktors, rpodolyaka, zzzeek, sileht, kgiusti, dansmith16:00
harlowja_at_homecourtesy ping for redrobot, jungleboyj, zhiyan, therve, amotoki, GheRivero, bknudson, ihrachyshka, jogo, dougwig, sreshetnyak, amrith16:00
kgiustilo16:00
harlowja_at_homeyo yo16:00
flaper87o/16:00
harlowja_at_homeall aboard the oslo train!16:00
viktors|wfho/16:00
harlowja_at_homeall aboard!!!16:00
amotoki_o/16:01
jungleboyjwhoooo whooo.16:01
* harlowja_at_home couldn't find any good pictures of oslo trains16:01
harlowja_at_homeha16:01
bknudsonI thought it was a moose.16:01
harlowja_at_homei did find the metro line though https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/38/Oslo_t-bane.jpg16:01
harlowja_at_homebknudson, u saw a moose?16:02
harlowja_at_homeok, let's get started :)16:02
bknudsonthe mascot16:02
harlowja_at_homeah16:02
ihrachyshkaapparently they use reindeers there16:02
harlowja_at_homeso first order of business before i forget16:02
harlowja_at_home!!WELCOME NEW CORES!!!16:02
openstackharlowja_at_home: Error: "!WELCOME" is not a valid command.16:02
dhellmann++16:02
bnemeco/16:02
jungleboyj++16:02
harlowja_at_home:)16:02
sileht:)16:02
jecareyo/16:03
harlowja_at_homeok, with great power comes great responsiblity or something, so ya, remember that16:03
harlowja_at_homehaha16:03
harlowja_at_home#topic Review action items from previous meeting16:03
*** openstack changes topic to "Review action items from previous meeting (Meeting topic: oslo)"16:03
harlowja_at_home#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2015/oslo.2015-05-04-16.01.html16:03
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harlowja_at_homesoooo i did mine, ha16:03
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harlowja_at_homei'm not sure if dims did his though :)16:04
harlowja_at_home#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/179890/ (futurist/tardis/whatever) spec16:04
bknudsonoslo.middleware 1.2.0 was released 2015-05-0416:04
harlowja_at_homeah, cool16:04
harlowja_at_home#action check up with dims when he gets back to figure out if he did his16:04
harlowja_at_homeso i guess he doesn't get coal for xmas then16:05
amrith./16:05
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bknudsonhe might want coal16:05
harlowja_at_homegood point16:05
* harlowja_at_home isn't sure how coal futures are doing16:06
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amrith#cleancoal16:06
harlowja_at_homealright, any other action items that i missed?16:06
* jungleboyj wonders if there is a cleancoal channel16:06
harlowja_at_homeha16:06
amrithdefinition of oxymoron?16:06
amrithsorry, back to real work16:07
* harlowja_at_home this isn't real work, whattt16:07
harlowja_at_homei've been lied to16:07
harlowja_at_home#topic Red flags for/from liaisons16:07
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harlowja_at_homeany red flags that need to be addressed?16:07
bknudsonNone from keystone.16:07
ihrachyshkaa tiny oslo.context change for neutron (and others): https://review.openstack.org/#/c/176333/16:07
jungleboyjI have one thing to note from Cinder.16:07
* harlowja_at_home fixed the cinder + taskflow one (so u can't use that, ha)16:07
ihrachyshkaand I need to go back to that oslo.policy patch to move neutron forward with its adoption...16:08
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johnsomHello from Octavia.  Too new to raise any flags.16:08
harlowja_at_homeihrachyshka, cool, so guess that one should get some attention?16:08
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ihrachyshkajohnsom, I hope your move under networking program does not mean nuetron oslo liaison should be involved from now on? :)16:09
jungleboyjharlowja_at_home: We discovered this problem at the end of Kilo:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/144738016:09
openstackLaunchpad bug 1447380 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "wrong cinder.conf.sample generation: missing directives for keystone_authtoken (at least)" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to John Griffith (john-griffith)16:09
ihrachyshkaharlowja_at_home, if spare cycles, yes please16:09
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harlowja_at_homejungleboyj, intersting, hopefully some oslo.config knowledgeable person can weigh in on that (if they haven't already)16:10
jungleboyjTo resolve it we had to set up a config generator script that partially uses the new config-generator along with the old code to pull options out of Cinder.16:10
harlowja_at_homedhellmann, have u seen that one?16:10
jungleboyjThe Cinder folk were kind-of hoping we could stick with that solution long term but I indicated that we shouldn't.16:11
harlowja_at_homeya, agreed16:11
jungleboyjI need to get back to the code I was working on for pulling options out of the different files in Cinder.16:11
bnemecjungleboyj: Can you add oslo.config to that bug with an explanation of exactly what's wrong on the Oslo side?16:11
jungleboyjThere were a number of comments and I am thinking through improvements.16:12
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jungleboyjbnemec: I could try to recreate it.  It just silently fail processing the other libraries.16:12
jungleboyjSince the incubator config generator is EOL I figured it was best to try and move forward.16:13
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dhellmannis this the issue where the wrong namespace was being used?16:13
bnemecjungleboyj: Agreed, but I got the impression there was still a problem?16:13
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jungleboyjbnemec: No, I don't think there is one in the new config-generator.  Just need to come up with a good solution for scraping the options out of Cinder.16:14
jungleboyjOnce we have that Nova and the other projects can emulate the solution.16:14
* jungleboyj just hasn't had time to code it up.16:14
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jungleboyjSo, just wanted to make everyone aware of the issue.  I will continue to work on getting to the new config-generator.16:16
harlowja_at_homecool, seems resolvable/under way i guess; and something that can be used by a larger audience once its all going well16:16
jungleboyjharlowja_at_home: ++16:16
harlowja_at_homethx jungleboyj ; i think i see the issue now and understand what u are trying to do/fix :)16:16
bknudsonwhat was causing the partial config files? that's weird16:16
harlowja_at_homei think its a mix of the old-style and new-style (entrypoint) loading (but that may just be my misunderstanding of it all); ha16:17
jungleboyjbknudson: ^^16:17
harlowja_at_homeso jungleboyj is working on a old-new-style-config-generator (or whatever u want to call that)16:17
* harlowja_at_home correct me if i'm out in left-field somewhere, ha16:18
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* harlowja_at_home which i've been known to be out in :-P16:18
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bnemecBasically cinder doesn't have list_opts entry points registered, right?16:18
jungleboyjbnemec: Right.  I am working on finding an agreeable solution to that problem.16:19
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harlowja_at_homealright let's keep that work going forward i guess and see where it ends up :) choo choo train moving to next topic16:20
harlowja_at_home#topic Releases for this week16:20
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jungleboyjSounds good.  Will do.16:20
harlowja_at_homethx :)16:21
harlowja_at_homeany releases for this week/planned or other?16:21
harlowja_at_homeprobably a short week for most, due to summit...16:21
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jungleboyjSummit?  There is a summit coming?16:22
jungleboyj:-)16:22
harlowja_at_homeha16:22
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harlowja_at_homeya, a summit, we are all going to climb a mountain together16:22
harlowja_at_homeand liberate things16:22
harlowja_at_homeu can come, its cool16:22
* jungleboyj start checking into it.16:23
harlowja_at_home*just avoid everest for a while...16:23
jungleboyj++16:23
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bknudson#lnk https://www.grousemountain.com/grousegrind16:23
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harlowja_at_homeis that in vancouver?16:24
bknudsonyes16:24
harlowja_at_homenice16:24
harlowja_at_homeya, so that will be the oslo-workout-program-of-the-day16:24
harlowja_at_homelol16:24
harlowja_at_homebe there, or else!16:24
* bnemec notes to pack his trail shoes16:24
jungleboyjHoly cow.  2800 foot gain in 1.8 miles16:25
* ihrachyshka has been there once already16:25
harlowja_at_home“Mother Nature’s Stairmaster.”16:25
harlowja_at_homeha16:25
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harlowja_at_homeok, choo choo departing16:25
ihrachyshkanot a pleasant experience if you have snow and water near the top: you don't want to return, neither you feel safe moving further :)16:25
harlowja_at_home:-/16:26
* harlowja_at_home might be still snow there, not sure16:26
harlowja_at_home#topic Ongoing work & Review priorities16:26
*** openstack changes topic to "Ongoing work & Review priorities (Meeting topic: oslo)"16:26
ihrachyshkaharlowja_at_home, you should check signs at the bottom. I just sneaked in.16:26
harlowja_at_homeah, cool16:26
harlowja_at_homeany ongoing reviews, specs reviews welcome...16:26
harlowja_at_homeanything to highlight for folks?16:27
sileht-> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/181010/16:27
silehtwe are going to break backward compat from the amqp pov16:27
harlowja_at_home(also https://tinyurl.com/njkre43 ---> oslo dashboard)16:27
silehtan old oslo.messaging will not be able to talk an older one16:28
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bnemecsileht: Is that going to break live upgrades?  Nova will most likely not be happy about that.16:28
harlowja_at_homeright, because of the removal of `ending' param16:28
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silehtbnemec, no we keep backcompat during two versions16:29
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bnemecsileht: Okay, thanks16:29
* bnemec should probably read the spec16:29
silehtbnemec, but currently you can still talk a very very old version of oslo-incubator rpc16:29
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silehtwe going to break that and only support 2 backward versions16:30
harlowja_at_homeguess we should like make sure that version change (and what version does/doesn't work) to operators ML to16:30
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* harlowja_at_home reminds me of using that oslo-blog idea that we were going to have for this kind of stuff16:31
dhellmannyes, we should publicize this widely16:31
harlowja_at_homewhatever happened to that idea :-P16:31
silehtI thought we should support upgrade like DB schema upgrade does16:31
dhellmannharlowja_at_home: I have started looking into that, and need to check in with anne about the hostname for publishing16:31
harlowja_at_homecool16:31
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dhellmannsileht: we need to make sure that there is *some* way to run mixed versions of services, so that we can do rolling upgrades16:32
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silehtdhellmann, sure I'm just wonder how many version back we should support (I'm guessing 2)16:32
harlowja_at_homemight be an interesting question for operators ML, to see if people can do pip freeze | grep oslo.messaging and post the results16:33
dhellmannsileht: that seems good enough, but we should make sure we understand the supported upgrade paths -- I don't think we support jumping versions in upgrades16:33
harlowja_at_home+1 any use any info we can get from operators/other sources to help undestand how this will go down16:34
harlowja_at_homeoperators/devs/other secret sources16:34
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harlowja_at_homealso folks check out https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/oslo-specs for other things to review16:35
harlowja_at_homespecs more important to look over so we can all have some clue of whats happening/being talked about at the summit (for relevant sessions)16:35
harlowja_at_homeand with that segway16:36
harlowja_at_home#topic Liberty or death16:36
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* bnemec needs to push a spec for one of his sessions16:36
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harlowja_at_homehttps://libertydesignsummit.sched.org/overview/type/design+summit/Oslo16:36
harlowja_at_homecheck out the schedule folks16:36
harlowja_at_homeseems like all wed/thurs, so be there!16:37
bknudsonlooks like the only oslo session I can really get to is the oslo.log one.16:37
harlowja_at_home:(16:37
harlowja_at_homeclone yourself?16:37
bknudson"Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of oslo.log changes "16:37
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harlowja_at_homeya, idk who came up with all those crazy names, ha16:38
harlowja_at_home#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Summit/Liberty/Etherpads#Oslo also16:38
harlowja_at_homefor making etherpads beforehand if u want (some kind of basic strucutre usually helps)16:38
harlowja_at_homeand also https://www.openstack.org/summit/vancouver-2015/download-the-summit-app/ (seems to be up)16:39
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harlowja_at_homeso i'm pretty sure all/most of us will be there16:39
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harlowja_at_homeand hoepfully with little moose stickers on us16:40
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harlowja_at_homedhellmann, how's the moose stickers coming along?16:40
dhellmannharlowja_at_home: the order is placed and my fingers are still crossed that they arrive before I leave16:40
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harlowja_at_homewoot16:40
harlowja_at_homehttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/180627/ (the moose)16:40
harlowja_at_homehttps://review.openstack.org/cat/180627%2C2%2Cdoc/source/_images/oslo-moose-color.svg%5E0 (also the moose)16:41
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harlowja_at_homeso my guess is starting friday most of the IRC channels will start to be more quiet than usual16:42
harlowja_at_homejust a word of warning :-P16:42
harlowja_at_homeprobably starting thursday actually16:42
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harlowja_at_home#topic Open discussion16:43
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harlowja_at_homealright, chat among yourselves!16:43
harlowja_at_homelol16:43
harlowja_at_homelifeless, has been working on https://github.com/pypa/pip/pull/2716 (if anyone is intersted)16:43
* harlowja_at_home thinks that will be a great to have16:43
bnemec"Congrats!  OpenStack will be installed on your device soon!"16:43
bnemecIf only it were so easy. ;-)16:43
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* harlowja_at_home is sure lifeless would also like any feedback/issues on that16:44
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harlowja_at_homebasically he's trying to get something working for https://github.com/pypa/pip/issues/98816:44
harlowja_at_homenot really oslo related, but it will help everyone :-P16:44
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harlowja_at_homei also thought zzzzeek asked about some oslo-lunch/dinner meetup or something16:45
harlowja_at_homelunch all together seems doable, idk about dinner16:45
harlowja_at_homehappy big family, lol16:45
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dhellmannpicking a day to eat lunch together sounds like a good idea16:46
dhellmanndo we have a session right before lunch?16:46
harlowja_at_homeagreed16:46
harlowja_at_homehmmm16:46
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bknudsonoslo.log is before lunch16:46
bknudsonthursday16:46
bknudsonso everybody will be thinking about lunch instead.16:47
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bknudsonand functional testing is on wed16:47
harlowja_at_homehmmm, ya, so maybe this will have to be more ad-hoc then16:48
harlowja_at_homeor something to ponder on16:48
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* harlowja_at_home we need an event-planner :-P16:49
* harlowja_at_home not it16:49
harlowja_at_homeanything else anyone wants to bring up16:50
harlowja_at_homeotherwise u can get 10 minutes of your free-time back, ha16:50
harlowja_at_home'free-time' (in air-quotes)16:51
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harlowja_at_homeok then, everyone have safe travels to the summit (or other destination) and we'll see some/most of u there!16:51
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harlowja_at_homemay the force be with u16:52
harlowja_at_home#endmeeting16:52
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harlowja_at_homelol16:53
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catherine_d|1#startmeeting refstack19:01
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openstackMeeting started Mon May 11 19:01:08 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is catherine_d|1. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'refstack'19:01
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catherine_d|1Roll call19:01
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catherine_d|1hi everyone ,,,19:02
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catherine_d|1Today's agenda: 1) Recap demo to DefCore on May 6 2) Refstack team meeting at summit 3) Recap goals & action items for Vancouver  4) Decision on resrult output supports 5) Pending review 6) Open discussion19:02
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catherine_d|1#topic Recap demo to DefCore on May 619:02
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davidlenwellI recieved positive feedback from a few observers.19:03
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sslypushenko__o/19:03
davidlenwellfolks seemed to like that we demo'd the live site19:03
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catherine_d|1vladiskuz|2: and sslypushenko__:   I think you were in the demo right?19:04
sslypushenko__Yes19:04
catherine_d|1davidlenwell: that is great !19:04
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Rockygo/19:04
sslypushenko__Sound quality was not perfect, but I guess I understood almost everthing)19:04
catherine_d|1sslypushenko__: that is too bad!19:05
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catherine_d|1anyone hears any other feedback from Refstack demo?19:05
sslypushenko__As far as I understood demo passed good, I'm I right?19:06
davidlenwellI think it went well.. but what do I know? ;)19:06
catherine_d|1sslypushenko__: personally I think so  ..19:07
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Rockygthere was some confusion over the name of the site.  some were looking for .org   This got infra's attention.19:07
Rockygdavidlenwell: you might want to monitor traffic.19:07
sslypushenko__catherine_d|1 That is nice19:07
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catherine_d|1I do not see a lot of data uploaded to refstack.net .... I wish that it would be more ...19:08
catherine_d|1we need data ...19:08
RockygI'll see if i can get some attention from infra.  Wouldn't want to crash your vm duing the summit19:08
davidlenwellRockyg:  I am19:08
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catherine_d|1Rockyg: please do ... thanks!19:09
davidlenwellwe need foundation / defcore support to get data19:09
catherine_d|1I think hogepodge: help on this essential ...19:09
RockygI think it will happen when infra gets the .org up19:09
catherine_d|1Rockyg: ic ...19:09
Rockygcatherine_d|1: agreed19:09
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catherine_d|1#action Startegy and plan to acttact more data upload ..19:10
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catherine_d|1anything else on this topic before we move on ...19:11
hogepodgecatherine_d|1: ok19:11
catherine_d|1hogepodge: thank you so much ... you are our center on topic #1 ...19:11
catherine_d|1#topic Refstack team meeting at summit19:12
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davidlenwellI'm booked monday, tuesday and friday after 10 am19:12
catherine_d|1how about Rockyg: hogepodge: ?19:13
catherine_d|1Tues or Friday?19:13
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RockygI might have openings on wednesday.  What about Friday breakfast?19:14
catherine_d|1davidlenwell: hogepodge: you ok for Friday breakfast?19:14
hogepodgecatherine_d|1: should be19:15
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catherine_d|1great !19:15
hogepodgeMTW are my biggest days19:15
catherine_d|1hogepodge: understand .,19:15
RockygYeah.  Those days are bad.19:16
catherine_d|1#agreed Refstack team will have f-2-f meeting at breakfast Friday ... place TBD ...19:16
catherine_d|1great19:16
catherine_d|1#topic Recap goals & actions item for Vancouver19:16
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catherine_d|1The Vancouver goals & action items are defined in #link Feb f2f link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack_f2f_feb_2015 Please check the "Action items basesd on priorities" section at the bottom of the page.19:17
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catherine_d|13 patches are in reviewing (by sslypushenko__: vladiskuz|2:  and Paul )... expecting one more from Paul ...19:18
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catherine_d|1I think we are very closed ..  once we merge those we will achieve the goals that we set for Vancouver .. Thanks you everyone for all the hardwork !!!19:19
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catherine_d|1close19:20
sslypushenko__catherine_d|1 Thanks you too!19:20
vladiskuz|2catherine_d|1: yes, I am waiting fow for reviews19:20
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catherine_d|1vladiskuz|2:  I know that patch is a lot of hard work ...19:21
vladiskuz|2vladiskuz|2: I got comments from Paul19:21
RockygI think it's time to push infra to review the webserver stuff.  I'll get on infra IRC right after this meeting ends.19:21
vladiskuz|2catherine_d|1: thanks :)19:21
catherine_d|1Rockyg: ++1 ...19:21
catherine_d|1our goals this week is to merge those review ...19:22
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catherine_d|1#action Merge all outstanding reviews this week19:23
pvaneckso to be able to use the actual openstackid.org website, do you have to be approved to use it and registered with them?19:23
davidlenwellthey don't just give out subdomains19:24
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davidlenwellwithout the request coming from the foundation or the board its probably a no go19:24
pvanecknot sure what the process is to be able to use it. first step infra?19:24
catherine_d|1I don't think we can get it before vancouver ... this would be a good topic for our f2f?19:24
catherine_d|1davidlenwell: ++119:25
Rockyg++19:25
davidlenwellfirst step board/foundation19:25
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catherine_d|1hogepodge: again you will be our advocate for foundation ....19:26
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catherine_d|1hogepodge: sorry for keep putting more work on you plates ... I know you are extremely busy ... but we really need your help ///19:27
catherine_d|1#action Need confirmation on adoption from DefCore/foundation19:28
catherine_d|1any ohter thoughts?19:28
davidlenwellcatherine_d|1: you should go to breakfast with the board and lobby19:29
Rockygcan you paste the link to the review with this?19:29
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hogepodgecatherine_d|1: the biggest block for me is I don't have access to vm hosting directly, or changing domain name19:29
hogepodgeI've asked, and I'll help as I can.19:29
catherine_d|1Rockyg: good idea let me do that19:29
catherine_d|1hogepodge: I am pretty sure we can work on that ....19:29
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davidlenwelldoesn't the foundation own refstack.org now?19:30
hogepodgecatherine_d|1: f2f is good, maybe we can rope in fungi too19:30
hogepodgedavidlenwell: we own it, but I don't have access to modify the dns entry19:31
davidlenwellwho does?19:31
davidlenwellwe can just ask them to change it..19:31
catherine_d|1#action Work on getting hogepodge: on refstack server19:31
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hogepodgedavidlenwell: I don't know. probably jonathan, maybe infra people19:31
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davidlenwellokay .. well we should just ask someone over there.. they are always helpful..19:31
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davidlenwelldo you want access to the current hosting?19:32
fungiyeah, i followed up on the ml thread last week about the domain name. it looks like it's already set up for us to start hosting it from our infra rackspace tenant19:32
hogepodgefungi: You know? ^^^19:32
RockygI get the feeling from recent IRC discussions that the foundation owns their stuff and infra goes in and fixes it occansionally19:32
davidlenwellcatherine paul or myself can add your pub key to the server19:32
catherine_d|1fungi: great good news19:32
fungithe refstack.org domain name anyway19:32
RockygSo, key is who is devops for foundation site?  Website, ask.o.o, etc19:32
davidlenwellfungi:  I can pass ownership of refstack.net as well .. I only purchased it as a stop gap while piston was being slow about the transfer19:33
fungiit depends on what system. the www site is toddmorey and some contractors from a dev firm called "tipit"19:33
catherine_d|1#action add hogepodge: key to refstack.net19:33
fungibasically everything else is infra19:33
Rockygis it tipit or tipbit?19:34
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hogepodgeRockyg: tipit19:35
RockygDang.  I know the vp/prez at tipbit19:35
catherine_d|1let's target this topic (hosting refstack. org) at the f2f summit ...19:37
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catherine_d|1hogepodge: meanwhile target is to add you to the refstack.net server ...19:37
catherine_d|1any other thoughts?19:38
hogepodgecatherine_d|1: ok19:38
catherine_d|1let move on to the next topic ...19:39
catherine_d|1#topic Decision on resrult output supports19:39
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catherine_d|1currently we have 2 outputs for the test results ...19:39
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catherine_d|1http://api.refstack.net/output.html?test_id=<upload_id>  and http://refstack.net/#/results/<upload_id>19:40
davidlenwellI like the second url better19:40
sslypushenko__We should use second one19:40
catherine_d|1I don't think we can support  2 and make sure that they are in sync  ...19:40
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pvaneckhave to use the second one with the current ui19:41
sslypushenko__We will remove all stuff from refstack/static includes output.html19:41
Rockyg++19:42
catherine_d|1great ...19:42
catherine_d|1#agreed Refstack will render test results output with http://refstack.net/#/results/<upload_id>19:43
catherine_d|1#topic Pending reviews19:43
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catherine_d|1vladiskuz|2: 's https://review.openstack.org/#/c/176335/19:44
catherine_d|1sslypushenko__: 's  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/181128/  Use capabilities refstack endpoint19:45
catherine_d|1pvaneck: 's https://review.openstack.org/#/c/181180/   Use Refstack API to get capabilities and versions19:45
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pvaneckand sslypushenko__, we both ended up submitting patches for using the capabilities API. Though I was thinking of getting the list of versions to display in the drop down straight from the API.19:45
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sslypushenko__pvaneck Your patch is better19:45
sslypushenko__I will drop mine19:46
catherine_d|1sslypushenko__: thank you !!!!19:46
catherine_d|1We should be proud of this team ... because there is one goal for us which is the sucessful of Refstack !!!19:47
pvaneckthe only issue, I suppose, might be if they suddenly commit a new capability file to the defcore repo that uses a new schema19:47
hogepodgepvaneck: it's comint19:47
hogepodgecoming19:47
pvaneckyea, so I want to prepare for the schema change19:47
hogepodge2014.04 and 03 will stay the same, but next will change19:47
catherine_d|1pvaneck: we will handle both?19:48
davidlenwellwon't it be versioned?19:48
davidlenwellwe will have to maintain backwards compatibility19:48
pvaneckif the capabilities have schema version inside the json, should be able to19:49
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pvaneck"version": "1.0" or "version": "2.0" or something like that19:49
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catherine_d|1hogepodge:  is that possble?19:50
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catherine_d|1that is adding a "version" field in the capability json ..19:50
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hogepodgecatherine_d|1: yes, we have a version field and will produce a schema19:51
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pvaneckah, i see it19:52
catherine_d|1great let's move one ...19:52
catherine_d|1#topic Open discussion19:53
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catherine_d|1move on19:53
davidlenwellI'm looking forward to seeing everyone next week..19:54
catherine_d|1no no IRC next week?19:54
hogepodgedef no IRC meeting19:54
davidlenwellyes.. most of us will be busy19:54
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catherine_d|1vladiskuz|2: will review you patch again ... as soon as you push a new one .... That is a lot of work ... thanks again!..19:55
vladiskuz|2catherine_d|1: thank you!19:56
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catherine_d|1vladiskuz|2: sslypushenko__: will try to find a place so that you can attend the f2f ....19:56
sslypushenko__Thx19:57
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catherine_d|1good meeting today ... THANK YOU!19:57
catherine_d|1#endmeeting19:57
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RockygThanks all!19:58
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redrobot#startmeeting barbican20:05
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openstackMeeting started Mon May 11 20:05:15 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is redrobot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.20:05
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redrobotAs usual the meeting agenda can be found here:20:06
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redrobotawesome!  lots of barbicaneers here20:07
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redrobot#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2015/barbican.2015-05-04-20.01.html20:07
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redrobotFirst action item from last week was the Oslo Versioned Objects Spec20:08
redrobotwhich it looks like x3k did submit20:08
redrobot#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/174318/20:08
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x3kredrobot, yes20:09
redrobotNext action items were on me, and I have yet to get to them, so20:09
redrobot#action redrobot to talk to Greg Swift about DB being used in Fedora20:09
redrobot#action redrobot to clean up the barbican-specs repo20:09
redrobotNext action items are for woodster_20:09
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redrobotwoodster_ did you get a chance to look into the mutability of Generic Containers?20:10
woodster_elmiko asked the API WG on our behalf about POST vs PUT. They said as long as the resultant URI didn't change in a request, PUT was perferred. IF the URI changes (say due to a new unique UUID being generated) then POST is appropriate. So for ACL updates on a secret with no UUIDs involved, then PUT is better. For Container updates to change the list of20:10
woodster_secrets, PUT is better.20:10
jaosorioro/20:10
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woodster_redrobot: so do we need a blueprint to make the PUT to genetic containers official?20:11
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redrobotwoodster_ I think that, if Containers don't currently support PUT, then yes, a blueprint would be a good first step.20:11
redrobotok, moving on to our agenda items20:13
redrobot#topic ACL API changes20:13
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redrobotarunkant did you want to talk about this?20:13
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arunkantDuring ACL docs review, John has proposed some changes which are related to ACL API ..https://review.openstack.org/#/c/178479/5/doc/source/api/quickstart/acls.rst,cm Line 23720:14
redrobot#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/178479/5/doc/source/api/quickstart/acls.rst,cm20:15
arunkantSo the proposal is to remove /secrets_or_containers/{uuid}/acls/{uuid} calls .20:15
arunkantAnd only have PUT/PATCH/DELETE operation on /secrets_or_containers/{uuid}/acl  (single acl resource)20:16
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woodster_There is also a sample code change available here:20:16
woodster_#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/180888/20:16
arunkantIt simplifies the ACL operation and client does not have worry about internal structure of ACL (i.e. ACL uuid etc.)..20:16
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arunkantSo was hoping to get community inputs..if it looks okay to them?20:17
woodster_Is anyone opposed to this approach?20:18
redrobotSo I think that the proposed changes are more in-line with the original SPEC, so I am in favor of it20:18
rellerrellerI have not kept up as much with this stuff, so I will abstain.20:18
jaosoriorI'm still reviewing it, but I think the approach is nice20:18
woodster_This also includes moving from 'acls' to 'acl' as the resource name, as the resource appears to the client as a single resource20:18
woodster_I believe that was in the original spec as well20:19
dave-mccowannot having a UUID for each ACL makes them easier to use.  I like it.20:19
jaosoriorat least as it was described in the discussion in the documentation CR20:19
jaosorioryup, pretty good improvement in usability20:19
woodster_That code CR above implements it as well.20:19
redrobotOne comment that arunkant made that I agree with is that these changes should have been caught in the original review.  The doc CR was only documenting the API that we had previously approved.20:20
woodster_So should the doc or code CRs land first?  Is the code CR one that needs to make it into Kilo final release?20:20
jaosoriorI think redrobot is reffering to the initial blueprint20:20
jaosoriorthat, it should have been caught there, which it should have20:20
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arunkantredrobot, most likely these changes will need to be ported to kilo as well as they are significant API changes .20:21
redrobotYeah, we're in a bit of a pickle, because the API we shipped in Kilo is not what the SPEC or the revised docs describe20:21
elmikoouch20:21
jaosoriorouh20:21
woodster_yeah, it might be helpful for API-impacting blueprints to have detailed API docs in them...makes it easy to cut/paste into the docs too20:21
woodster_oh that's tricky20:22
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redrobotwe'll definitely catch some grief for this :(20:23
redrobotbut I do want to backport the new API that agrees with the original SPEC back into Kilo20:23
redrobotanother option would be to make a new API micro-version20:23
rellerrellerWhat is a micro-version?20:24
redrobotrellerreller glad you asked! :)20:24
elmiko+1 for microversions20:24
jaosoriorsomething like Barbican API v1.120:24
jaosoriorwe had to start thinking about versions at some point anyway20:24
redrobotMicro-versions are the recommended way to do minor API changes.20:24
redrobotbasically adding a new Header X-Barbican-Version or something like that20:25
woodster_so does that mean we need to support the v1 acls resource then (including gate/functional testing)?20:25
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arunkantthere are significant changes../{secrets}/{uuid}/acls  <--- resource does not exist in new changes.20:25
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hockeynutmaking the functional tests honor versioning will be required20:26
elmikoif anyone wants additional reading on microversions, here is nova's spec #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/nova-specs/specs/kilo/implemented/api-microversions.html20:26
woodster_yep, so I think that would be on a new path then?: /v1.1/secrets/{UUID}/acl ?20:26
redrobotwoodster_ if we choose to do a micro-api, yes, we would still support the APIs that shipped in Kilo.20:26
hockeynutnew path plus updates to actually use the path to make version-based decisions20:27
redrobotwoodster_ no, micro-versions do not change the URI20:27
redrobotwoodster_ micro-versions are specified by a header20:27
woodster_oh, cool20:27
redrobotelmiko thanks for the linkx20:27
dave-mccowani don't think the current shipping kilo API has any complete documentation.  i would vote to fix and document the new API, and retire the old undocumented API. (I understand that is bad form.)20:28
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redrobotdave-mccowan I agree with you, and I'm willing to take the heat if anyone gripes about it.20:29
redrobotmicro-version was a suggestion, to get you guys thinking about them.  But I still think backporting the API updates that arunkant is working on is my preferred fix for this.20:30
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dave-mccowanredrobot +120:30
elmikoyea, +1 to backport20:31
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arunkantredrobot, I can publish update docs CR to reflect new changes so that request/response content can be viewed to verify20:31
jaosoriorbackporting will probably lead to less hassle, as then we won't need to support the way it's in kilo.20:31
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redrobotawesome, as soon as arunkant's changes land, I'll backport them into stable/kilo, and then get the ball rolling on releasing 2015.1.120:32
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redrobotarunkant I think that having an updated doc CR would definitely help reviewers for the implementation CR20:33
woodster_so should we land the code CR first (which would unblock functional testing I suppose), or the doc CR?20:33
woodster_redrobot: that sounds good20:33
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elmikotough question, i like redrobot's thought about the doc CR helping reviewers but it does seem out of order that way20:34
arunkantokay, I can keep docs CR in sync with API changes20:34
woodster_I guess there is also the change that someone will see the docs and thing the feature is ready to use20:34
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elmikowoodster_: right20:34
redrobotyeah, I don't necessarily think that the Doc CR should land first.  Just that it would be nice to have it in review to use for reference.20:35
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elmikomakes sense20:36
redrobotok, I think we're all in agreement then.  please be on the lookout for arunkant's changes for review.20:36
redrobot#topic Muti-user Functional Testing20:37
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dave-mccowanI just want to give people a heads up on an upcoming change to functional tests.  Now, all functional tests run as an admin user.  In order to test RBAC or ACLs, we needed run-as-user support.20:37
redrobotdave-mccowan do you want to talk about this topic?20:37
dave-mccowanThis is implemented in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/176615/.   When this merges, then in order to run functional tests locally, your local keystone deployment will need 6 new users and 3 new roles added.  bin/keystone_data.sh can do it, or has the info you need to add them.20:37
dave-mccowanWithout these users then tests in test_rbac.py (and later test_acs.py) will fail.20:37
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redrobotdave-mccowan thanks for adding all those tests btw!20:38
redrobotdave-mccowan although they may need to change after arunkant's changes20:38
hockeynut+oo20:38
redrobotalrighty, that's all that's on the agenda for today20:39
redrobotno meeting next week, since most of us will be in Vancouver.20:39
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redrobot#topic Vancouver Design Summit20:40
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redrobotI'll be flying into Vancouver Saturday Night, so if anyone wants to go check out the town on Sunday let me know20:40
redrobotI'll also be adding topics to the working sessions today/tomorrow.20:41
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redrobotplease ping me with any conflicts.  I want to make sure that interested parties get to attend relevant sessions20:41
jaosoriorredrobot: I'll be arriving there on Saturday too20:41
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redrobotjaosorior Saturday night beers?20:41
jaosoriorhttp://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/mexcellent.jpg20:42
woodster_sounds like a late Sunday morning/afternoon 'breakfast' to me :)20:42
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elmikolol20:42
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redrobotany other questions/coments?20:43
jaosoriorredrobot: will ping you when I'm in Vancouver then20:43
jaosoriorAnybody else gonna be around on Saturday?20:43
redrobotjaosorior sounds like a plan!20:43
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hockeynutI get in Sunday 2:30pm so I'm up for some investigating20:44
redrobotjaosorior I think people may have heard about what happened last time you and I went out drinking together in Paris...  I would be scared too.20:45
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jaosoriorredrobot: I am getting an interesting international reputation. I also scared some people from the office in Hungary in another trip haha20:45
elmikothat doesn't sound good lol20:46
jaosoriorthey had a lot of fun. But one of them ended up pretty lost in the city and had a hard time getting back to his hotel20:46
redrobotlol, poor guy20:47
jaosorioraaaanyway, see you guys in Vancouver then. hockeynut, ping us when you're there20:47
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hockeynutyessir!20:47
redrobotyup, thanks for coming everyone!  Looking forward to seeing many of you in Vancouver!20:47
redrobot#endmeeting20:47
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elmikothanks redrobot !20:47
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