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| amitry | good morning | 14:00 |
| ajo | hello | 14:01 |
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| amitry | looks like the telco working group is in #openstack-meeting | 14:01 |
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| DaSchab | hi | 14:03 |
| imendels | hi | 14:03 |
| sgordon | sorry all | 14:03 |
| amitry | correction, this is the right meeting room :) | 14:03 |
| sgordon | started off in the wrong room | 14:03 |
| vks | hi | 14:03 |
| sgordon | #startmeeting telcowg | 14:03 |
| DaSchab | :-) | 14:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 14 14:03:40 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sgordon. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:03 |
| ajo | :) | 14:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:03 |
| mkoderer | hi | 14:03 |
| sgordon | let's try that again :) | 14:03 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'telcowg' | 14:03 |
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| aveiga | hello | 14:03 |
| sgordon | #topic roll call | 14:03 |
| smazziotta | hi | 14:03 |
| sgordon | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nfv-meeting-agenda | 14:03 |
| sgordon | #topic action items from last week | 14:04 |
| sgordon | #info amitry to cross reference ops mid-cycle signups with telco wg participants to determine crossover | 14:04 |
| sgordon | i dont believe registration for the ops summit has opened yet | 14:04 |
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| amitry | signup opening this week | 14:04 |
| amitry | correct | 14:04 |
| sgordon | so not much to be done on this yet | 14:04 |
| sgordon | will carry it over | 14:05 |
| sgordon | #action amitry to cross reference ops mid-cycle signups with telco wg participants to determine crossover | 14:05 |
| sgordon | for those who were still on vacation etc. last week there is a general openstack operators midcycle meetup being held on march 9 and 10 host by amitry and comcast in philli | 14:05 |
| sgordon | we are considering whether enough people are interested in or planning to attend that we could have a face to face session on telco use cases there | 14:06 |
| amitry | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PHL-ops-meetup | 14:06 |
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| sgordon | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PHL-ops-meetup | 14:06 |
| sgordon | any questions on that? | 14:06 |
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| sgordon | the etherpad contains all available detail at this time - expect to see registration details on the openstack-operators list real soon now | 14:07 |
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| sgordon | #info steveg was to send out a brief survey monkey to the list and we select one to review at next week's meeting in detail | 14:07 |
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| sgordon | so this happened, i only got a handful of responses (6) so we can probably re-evaluate ordering again in the future | 14:07 |
| sgordon | but the results were: | 14:07 |
| sgordon | 1st: Virtual IMS | 14:07 |
| sgordon | 2nd (tie): VPN Instantiation / Access to physical network resources | 14:07 |
| sgordon | 4th: Security Segregation | 14:07 |
| sgordon | 5th: Session border controller | 14:07 |
| sgordon | i believe the vIMS use case was submitted by cloudon | 14:08 |
| cloudon | yup, that's right | 14:08 |
| sgordon | cloudon, are you available if we want to try deep dive on this in the meeting today | 14:08 |
| cloudon | sure | 14:08 |
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| sgordon | #topic virtual IMS use case discussion | 14:08 |
| ybabenko | hi | 14:08 |
| sgordon | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TelcoWorkingGroup/UseCases#Virtual_IMS_Core | 14:08 |
| vks | hi, what about service chaining? | 14:08 |
| ybabenko | vks: we have a draft here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kKIqu2ipN6 | 14:09 |
| sgordon | vks, we're going off the use cases that have been submitted to the wiki | 14:09 |
| sgordon | there is a broader effort around service chaining | 14:09 |
| sgordon | with discussion happening on the mailing list | 14:09 |
| sgordon | ybabenko++ | 14:09 |
| ybabenko | sgordon: let us discuss our draft here today (comments, critique, etc) and later on i will put it into wiki | 14:10 |
| vks | saw it, will it going to fall in line with gbp. | 14:10 |
| sgordon | let's focus on the vIMS case first | 14:11 |
| vks | ok | 14:11 |
| mkoderer | sgordon: +1 | 14:11 |
| sgordon | if we get time in other discussion we can loop back on service chaining | 14:11 |
| vks | go ahead | 14:11 |
| sgordon | ok | 14:11 |
| ybabenko | sgordon: it looks like to me that for such an VNF as IMS we need a serious HA setup for openstack | 14:11 |
| sgordon | so cloudon you had already broken out some requirements in this one | 14:11 |
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| sgordon | with main constraints being in HA | 14:11 |
| ybabenko | does something like this exist already today in form of verified blueprint | 14:11 |
| sgordon | ybabenko, not quite | 14:12 |
| ybabenko | exactly | 14:12 |
| sgordon | in particular that second requirement about affinity/anti-affinity groups being nested | 14:12 |
| sgordon | you can possibly force this by combining groups with host aggregate/az assignments | 14:13 |
| sgordon | to mimic the same type of setup | 14:13 |
| cloudon | the broader issue here I was trying to get at was how to represent the affinity requirements for services deployed as an N+k pool, with N large | 14:13 |
| adrian-hoban | ybabenko: We should be clear to differentiate between HA deployment/config of the vIMS app and OpenStack HA from the controller perspective | 14:13 |
| sgordon | #info implemented as a series of N+k compute pools; meeting a given SLA requires being able to limit the impact of a single host failure | 14:13 |
| sgordon | #info potentially a scheduler gap here: affinity/anti-affinity can be expressed pair-wise between VMs, which is sufficient for a 1:1 active/passive architecture, but an N+k pool needs a concept equivalent to "group anti-affinity" i.e. allowing the NFV orchestrator to assign each VM in a pool to one of X buckets, and requesting OpenStack to ensure no single host failure can affect more than one bucket | 14:13 |
| sgordon | adrian-hoban, here we're talking about for the app itself | 14:13 |
| cloudon | crudely: don't want too many of the service's VMs on the same host, but for perf reasons want them "nearby" for some definition of "nearby" | 14:14 |
| ybabenko | adrian-hoban: i am meaning OpenStack HA setup (core services like keyston) as IMS is normally deployed as a multi site VNF | 14:14 |
| vks | sgordon: do we have doc on affinity/anti-affinity stuff in place | 14:14 |
| vks | ? | 14:14 |
| imendels | are you sure IMS shall be assume as multi site? | 14:15 |
| mkoderer | a deployed vIMS will be hosted in several DC's | 14:15 |
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| sgordon | vks, there is some coverage in the nova scheduler documentation | 14:15 |
| vks | ok | 14:15 |
| sgordon | it's fairly minimal but so is the functionality today | 14:15 |
| ybabenko | imendels: yes | 14:15 |
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| adrian-hoban | ybabenko: sgordon: Seems like you guys are talking about different aspects of HA then... | 14:16 |
| imendels | I have some references claiming different. Though I agree multi site also make sense | 14:16 |
| cloudon | yes, in this use case was concentrating solely on HA at the app level, not the platform level | 14:16 |
| adrian-hoban | imendels: In the NFV architecture, I would see the multi-site aspects as being in the scope of NFVO | 14:17 |
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| sgordon | adrian-hoban, i was really just regurgitating what we have in the wiki so people understand the context | 14:17 |
| sgordon | (and we have a record in meetbot of what we were referring to) | 14:17 |
| imendels | adrian: right but can we assume that all apps (IMS in this case) will run multi site becaue of it? | 14:17 |
| cloudon | adrian-hoban: +1; and further NFV explicitly allows deployment of a VNF across multiple underlying cloud platforms (NFVIs) | 14:18 |
| vks | adrian-hoban, : +1 | 14:18 |
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| ybabenko | my point is: for such critical NFV as vIMS we need a reference HA design for OpenStack services | 14:18 |
| imendels | agree | 14:18 |
| adrian-hoban | imendels: I think we can assume that it is a possibility but not required for all apps | 14:18 |
| imendels | agree | 14:18 |
| adrian-hoban | ybabenko: +1 | 14:19 |
| gmatefi1 | Need of HA mainly depends on application elasticity | 14:19 |
| sgordon | #info Require a reference HA design for OpenStack services for critical NFV such as vIMS | 14:19 |
| vks | gmatefi1, not only elastcity | 14:19 |
| aveiga | going to agree with adrian-hoban here: provide the functionalityt for things like multi-site, but don't make it a requirement. Remember that not everyone will deploy an app the same way | 14:19 |
| cloudon | gmatefil: not if you have an SLA to meet... | 14:19 |
| sgordon | to me though there is a broader use case discussion here though | 14:19 |
| gmatefi1 | for apps that are dynamically scaling, controller HA is a must-have as part of real-time operation | 14:19 |
| ybabenko | sgordon: who is able to address this in OS community? what is the right entry point for that? | 14:20 |
| sgordon | in that there is a separate need to drill down on what multi-site means for telco | 14:20 |
| imendels | in other words we need to assume that not all apps are ready for it, or not. But it's a fundamental assumption we must have | 14:20 |
| sgordon | ybabenko, there is currently an effort underway to reinvigorate the HA documentation - maybe in the scope of that effort | 14:20 |
| sgordon | they need helpers though | 14:20 |
| ybabenko | sgordon: +1 can you link it? | 14:20 |
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| mkoderer | sgordon: +1 .. so are we talking about multi-region setup? or different OS clusters... | 14:21 |
| sgordon | here is the *current* scope of the guide: | 14:21 |
| sgordon | #link http://docs.openstack.org/high-availability-guide/content/index.html | 14:21 |
| sgordon | mkoderer, well this is the thing | 14:21 |
| aveiga | sgordon: this is what I was getting at. mutli-site in openstack effectively means that a VNF will exist in more than one "Region" but perhaps a telco may deploy one large region in multiple DCs. It's possible to schedule into different regions using the neturon network as well | 14:21 |
| mkoderer | sgordon: ;) | 14:21 |
| vks | sgordon, NFV requirement stress much on HA | 14:21 |
| sgordon | their focus currently is single site HA | 14:21 |
| sgordon | if people want to expand that scope | 14:21 |
| cloudon | better HA docn would help but there are stil some fundamental issues such as seamless upgrade from one OS release to another | 14:21 |
| sgordon | they need to get involved | 14:21 |
| sgordon | ;) | 14:21 |
| sgordon | trying to find the mailing list post(s) | 14:22 |
| vks | for now single site HA would be fine | 14:22 |
| mkoderer | sgordon: so what are we going to do now.. listing gaps in OS? | 14:22 |
| imendels | that doc is more about OS control than anything else, no? | 14:22 |
| ybabenko | sgordon: thanks. We are familiar with that and have a strong feeling that a lot still need to happen in oder to be able to deploy something like vIMS in HA OS | 14:22 |
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| sgordon | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2014-August/004987.html | 14:23 |
| ybabenko | mkoderer: should be do gap analysis and address/list missing points | 14:23 |
| sgordon | ybabenko, yes - but again if nobody is speaking to the team working on it about that | 14:24 |
| sgordon | they arent going to cover it | 14:24 |
| sgordon | :) | 14:24 |
| adrian-hoban | I'd like to suggest what we need to agree on first is what OpenStack should provide from an API perspective to support application HA configuration | 14:24 |
| ybabenko | sgordon: who will address this? | 14:24 |
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| imendels | adrian-hoban: +1 | 14:25 |
| adrian-hoban | And by that I mean HA deployment configuration (not config of the app itself) | 14:25 |
| mkoderer | sgordon: can we add all the gaps the we find during discussion to the use case | 14:25 |
| sgordon | it's a wiki, people can add anything they want :) | 14:25 |
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| mkoderer | and then start to find related blueprints | 14:25 |
| sgordon | indeed | 14:25 |
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| mkoderer | and open specs if needed | 14:26 |
| mkoderer | ok | 14:26 |
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| sgordon | so, a key question to adrian-hoban's point - what do we see as the 'API' here | 14:28 |
| sgordon | given that e.g. server groups are implemented via scheduler hints | 14:28 |
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| sgordon | (albeit with some API calls for initial group creation) | 14:28 |
| adrian-hoban | sgordon: I think the Heat APIs are probably the closest in scope to parts of what is required of NFVO functionality. Perhaps we start there? | 14:29 |
| aveiga | adrian-hoban: +1 | 14:30 |
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| ybabenko | are we still on vIMS? | 14:30 |
| ybabenko | I am confused | 14:30 |
| sgordon | yes | 14:30 |
| cloudon | doesn't that assume an NFVO would use Heat? not sure that's the case | 14:30 |
| vks | adrian-hoban, do u really think heat-apis fit NFV case? | 14:30 |
| aveiga | cloudon: it might be a requirement if you're going to need coordination features | 14:30 |
| ybabenko | vIMS -> need for OpenStack HA. Heat? We can use heat already today. But heat does not support multi-site configuration. How to address this? | 14:31 |
| mkoderer | vks: not yet.. but we can try to change that | 14:31 |
| sgordon | ybabenko, actually it does depending on what you mean by multi-site | 14:31 |
| cloudon | aveiga: sorry - not sure I follow - a core part of an NFVO is co-ordination? | 14:31 |
| sgordon | e.g. multi-region support was recently added | 14:31 |
| sgordon | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/multi-region-support | 14:32 |
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| vks | are we sticking for one site or looking for multi site? | 14:32 |
| sgordon | but i think that is still getting ahead of ourselves | 14:32 |
| aveiga | cloudon: if you want to ensure that your app VMs are landing where you want them and automatically rebuilt/scaled to meet your HA and load capabilities, then yes | 14:32 |
| sgordon | i think stick to the requirements within a single site | 14:32 |
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| sgordon | as i said earlier multi-site for telco should be analysed as a separate use case imo | 14:32 |
| vks | sgordon, +1 | 14:32 |
| adrian-hoban | vks: I'm not stating that. Just that Heat is close in functionality to some of things NFVO is required to do. There is of course a likely path that NFVO implementations would drive the other APIs (Nova, Neutron) directly. I suggested we consider Heat APIs as a means of fleshing out what may be needed from other core APIs | 14:32 |
| cloudon | aveiga: ok, but don't need Heat to do that | 14:33 |
| sgordon | because it's more general, it's not specific to e.g. vIMS | 14:33 |
| mkoderer | sgordon: I can right a use case for multi-site | 14:33 |
| mkoderer | ^write | 14:33 |
| mkoderer | if needed | 14:33 |
| sgordon | #action mkoderer to take a stab at documenting use for multi-site | 14:33 |
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| sgordon | mkoderer, thanks - that would be much appreciated | 14:34 |
| sgordon | so we have the OS::Nova::ServerGroup resource in heat | 14:34 |
| adrian-hoban | sgordon: +1. Agree we need to look at single site and multi-site deployments separately. | 14:34 |
| vks | adrian-hoban, i just wanted to say heat-apis in my point of view doesn't fit. yes if we want to start with that , not a bad idea. But i think we should come up with new APIs in some time | 14:34 |
| sgordon | which relates to the nova server group add call | 14:34 |
| sgordon | under the hood | 14:34 |
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| sgordon | and then actual group membership is via the hints provided with the OS::Nova::Server resource | 14:35 |
| sgordon | the key requirement here appears to be how do i express not only a relationship between servers in the group | 14:36 |
| sgordon | but a relationship between those groups | 14:36 |
| cloudon | so within a single site I want to deploy an N+k pool (which may just be a fraction of the overall service) - I still want to ensure no single host failure can knock out many VMs (and certainly no more than k...) - can server groups permit me to configure that? | 14:36 |
| sgordon | "sort of" | 14:36 |
| sgordon | so with the anti-affinity policy you obviously achieve that | 14:36 |
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| sgordon | at the expense that you dont get 'closeness' | 14:37 |
| cloudon | sgordon::) | 14:37 |
| sgordon | that is none of your servers/instances will reside on the same host | 14:37 |
| sgordon | there have been proposals to implement "soft" anti-affinity that might be closer to what you want | 14:37 |
| cloudon | ...which is too much spreading | 14:37 |
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| vks | sgordon, u mean to say service vms? | 14:37 |
| sgordon | but again still would only place on same host after all options exhausted | 14:37 |
| sgordon | vks, no | 14:38 |
| imendels | mkoderer: I suggest you distinguish between OS "control" and "servers" HA in the use case. Happy to assist if you want | 14:38 |
| sgordon | vks, in the nova api instances are referred to as servers | 14:38 |
| sgordon | hence "server groups" | 14:38 |
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| mkoderer | imendels: thx.. yep sure | 14:39 |
| ybabenko | imendels: all the time we are speaking about OS HA | 14:39 |
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| cloudon | (hacky but might work) so could I define a host aggregate of a largish number of "close" hosts, then define my VMs to form a service group, then tell nova to instantiate them on the given aggregate with anti-affinity? | 14:40 |
| imendels | ybabenko: not sure.. look at the servers group above... vs. is your NOVA endpoint is HA and can be seamlessly upgraded | 14:40 |
| vks | sgordon, here we are talking about special servers ? | 14:40 |
| vks | not the normal instanes | 14:41 |
| vks | rt?? | 14:41 |
| sgordon | vks, no - we're talking about any servers/instances you want to deploy in the manner cloudon refers to | 14:41 |
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| sgordon | cloudon, yes that was something i mentioned very early in the conversation | 14:41 |
| cloudon | s/service group/server group/ | 14:41 |
| sgordon | as a way to achieve today | 14:41 |
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| vks | sgordon, but then u end up dealing with entire instances on cloud instead for the hosts which has special servers running on them | 14:42 |
| sgordon | vks, i dont follow | 14:43 |
| cloudon | ok, though bit sub-optimal as it requires using a host aggregate to segment your hosts for app affinity purposes rather than physical capabilities | 14:43 |
| sgordon | vks, you end up dealing with as many or as few instances as you add to the gorup | 14:43 |
| sgordon | *group | 14:43 |
| sgordon | not all instances in the cloud need to be in a group, but those you want to place this way do | 14:43 |
| adrian-hoban | You could also leverage host aggregates to help identify if the servers had a special config | 14:44 |
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| sgordon | yes | 14:44 |
| vks | sgordon, ok that make sense. but wherever those instances will be running will be in HA | 14:44 |
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| cloudon | the semantic you really want as an app is "instantiate VMs in this server group such that no more than X are on the same host" without reference to host aggregates unless the service needs some special physical capability | 14:44 |
| sgordon | mmm | 14:45 |
| sgordon | cloudon, what would expected behavior be if i have exhausted all hosts | 14:46 |
| ybabenko | can we just go line for line in the vIMS usecase and agree on it? | 14:46 |
| sgordon | that is i say X is 5 | 14:46 |
| sgordon | and all hosts have 5 instances | 14:46 |
| sgordon | fail request? | 14:46 |
| ybabenko | i.e. Mainly a compute application: modest demands on storage and networking. - what means "modest"? | 14:46 |
| cloudon | if no option then overload - so more of a hint than a hard rule | 14:46 |
| ybabenko | which feature do we need from networking in order to support vIMS? | 14:46 |
| ybabenko | Ipv6? | 14:46 |
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| ybabenko | Distributed routing? | 14:46 |
| sgordon | cloudon, right but at that point it's really no different than soft-affinity imo | 14:47 |
| ybabenko | VRRP? | 14:47 |
| DaSchab | LB? | 14:47 |
| ybabenko | IP-SEC | 14:47 |
| ybabenko | etc | 14:47 |
| ybabenko | etc | 14:47 |
| ybabenko | etc | 14:47 |
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| sgordon | unless you are suggesting it should stack the first host until it gets 5, and so on | 14:47 |
| mkoderer | I would really like to see a transparent review of the use cases | 14:47 |
| cloudon | no, definitely not stacking - that's an anti-pattern | 14:47 |
| sgordon | mkoderer, can you expand on that | 14:47 |
| mkoderer | should we move them to a git repo and do a gerrit review?... I would really like that | 14:48 |
| adrian-hoban | cloudon: Do you see host separation as the only concern? What about rack-level separation or network-level separation? | 14:49 |
| sgordon | my concern with that approach is that we lose many of the people who dont know how to interact with it | 14:49 |
| sgordon | (similar to how we lose some who cant/wont do irc meetings by having these sessions in irc) | 14:49 |
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| cloudon | adrian-hoban: indeed, yes, but was wary of introducing new semantics (especially physically motivated) for groupings of hosts that don't already exist in OS | 14:50 |
| mkoderer | sgordon: but having it in the IRC meeting doesn't feel that productive | 14:50 |
| cloudon | I see that more as a use for avail zones | 14:50 |
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| sgordon | mkoderer, i agree but is that because of the medium or because we spent 20 mins discussing broader HA issues | 14:50 |
| adrian-hoban | cloudon: Agree with starting with incremental changes :-) | 14:50 |
| mkoderer | cloudon: I guess we need to have addtional features for AZ/host aggregates in general for NFV | 14:51 |
| sgordon | basically from my pov i dont want to raise the bar on use case submission, i already have a couple that were emailed to me because people were unsure about adding to the wiki | 14:52 |
| mkoderer | and the nova scheduling must me more flexible | 14:52 |
| sgordon | i dont want to become the conduit for adding them to a git repo as well | 14:52 |
| aveiga | sgordon: I think we should go through the uses cases. We may find that there are more commonalities | 14:52 |
| mkoderer | sgordon: I mean I can upload them to Gerrit... | 14:52 |
| aveiga | just nore down in the wiki that HA happens to be one that would be common | 14:52 |
| aveiga | note, even | 14:53 |
| cloudon | mkoderer: agree; there are many multi-site issues but even if solved that leaves scheduling gaps for what you ideally want within each site | 14:53 |
| sgordon | #info possible commonalities around HA and multi-site requirements to identify as we progress through use cases | 14:53 |
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| sgordon | #info need more flexibility from Availability Zone and Host Aggregate placement, along with more flexible placement rules for the scheduler | 14:54 |
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| sgordon | mkoderer, with the scheduling are we referring specifically to the server group filters in this case | 14:54 |
| sgordon | mkoderer, or are there other desirable tweaks | 14:54 |
| adrian-hoban | I'd like it if we could complete the discussion on single site before tackling the multi-site items | 14:54 |
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| vks | adrian-hoban, +1 | 14:55 |
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| cloudon | +1 | 14:55 |
| sgordon | +1 | 14:55 |
| sgordon | #info general agreement to focus on use cases in the context of single site deployment first | 14:55 |
| mkoderer | adrian-hoban: yep we move this discssion to the multi-site use case | 14:55 |
| sgordon | #info Is gerrit a better mechanism for use case review? | 14:56 |
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| cloudon | so are we agreed for single site case (a) there is an affinity issue for N+k groups (b) could hack it with server groups + host aggregates (c) but that's not ideal? | 14:56 |
| sgordon | that seems right from my pov, the question is really how would an implementation that solves (a) in particular work | 14:56 |
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| sgordon | can take that offline though | 14:57 |
| sgordon | we only have ~ 3 min left | 14:57 |
| ybabenko | cloudon: i am not in details on clearwater but maybe it would be a good idea to provide all these details in the wiki | 14:57 |
| sgordon | but let's quickly touch on how to move somewhere on service chaining | 14:57 |
| sgordon | mestery had mentioned on the m/l thread that this is a topic with much broader interest in neutron than just telco | 14:57 |
| cloudon | ybabenko: link in use case gives full details - didn't want to over-burden the wiki | 14:58 |
| sgordon | so it's a question of how to ensure telco use case is documented and presentable when that comes around again at the vancouver summit | 14:58 |
| mkoderer | sgordon: could you give us a link | 14:58 |
| vks | sgordon, can we have everything in single place | 14:58 |
| vks | ? | 14:58 |
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| sgordon | vks, what is 'everything'? | 14:58 |
| ybabenko | sgordon: in [NFV] tag there is not email from mestery as far as i can see | 14:59 |
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| sgordon | that's really my point | 14:59 |
| vks | use cases, and the plan of action | 14:59 |
| sgordon | because he's not talking about NFV | 14:59 |
| ybabenko | here is our draft https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kKIqu2ipN6 | 14:59 |
| ybabenko | I would appreciate all the comments before putting it into wiki | 14:59 |
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| sgordon | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kKIqu2ipN6 | 15:00 |
| sgordon | we're at time | 15:00 |
| sgordon | let's jump over to #openstack-nfv while i find the link | 15:00 |
| sgordon | but basically i cant force people who are having a generic discussion about service chaining in neutron | 15:01 |
| sgordon | to tag it nfv / telco | 15:01 |
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| sgordon | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-January/053915.html | 15:02 |
| sgordon | thanks all | 15:02 |
| sgordon | #endmeeting | 15:02 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 14 15:02:18 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2015/telcowg.2015-01-14-14.03.html | 15:02 |
| DaSchab | bye | 15:02 |
| cloudon | thanks | 15:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2015/telcowg.2015-01-14-14.03.txt | 15:02 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2015/telcowg.2015-01-14-14.03.log.html | 15:02 |
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| Swami | hi dvr folks | 15:02 |
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| Swami | #startmeeting distributed_virtual_router | 15:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 14 15:02:56 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Swami. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'distributed_virtual_router' | 15:03 |
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| Swami | #topic announcements | 15:03 |
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| Swami | Feb 5th will be the Kilo milestone release | 15:03 |
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| Swami | #topic agenda | 15:03 |
| Swami | 1. Status update on all the backlog items in DVR | 15:04 |
| Swami | 2. Bug scrum | 15:04 |
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| Swami | 3. Open Discussions | 15:04 |
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| Swami | Before we move on to the agenda items, today's meeting will be short for half hour. | 15:04 |
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| Swami | So I do have a hard stop at 15:30 UTC | 15:05 |
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| Swami | Let us proceed with our agenda items. | 15:05 |
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| Swami | #topic Status update on all the backlog items on DVR | 15:06 |
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| Swami | DVR HA Status | 15:07 |
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| Swami | mrsmith: are you here | 15:07 |
| Swami | ping mrsmith | 15:07 |
| Swami | ping rajeev | 15:07 |
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| Swami | Based on the discussion I had with mike and rajeev the HA DVR patches are almost ready and have been posted for review. | 15:08 |
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| AJaeger | Sorry for beeing late... | 15:08 |
| AJaeger | Oops, wrong meeting - sorry | 15:09 |
| Swami | There was still a dependent patch on l2-pop that is being worked out by safchain | 15:09 |
| Swami | safchain: ping | 15:09 |
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| Swami | I think safchain need to rebase the patch | 15:09 |
| safchain | Swami, Hi | 15:10 |
| Swami | Patches currently up for review on the HA DVR | 15:10 |
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| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/139686/ | 15:10 |
| Swami | safchain: hi | 15:11 |
| safchain | Swami, which patch ? | 15:12 |
| Swami | I heard from mrsmith that the l2-pop patch that you are working on to address the HA issue needs rebase. | 15:12 |
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| Swami | I don't have the exact patch handy. | 15:13 |
| Swami | safchain: the l2-pop issue that you have been working on to address the HA issue, have that been resolved. | 15:13 |
| safchain | Swami, I have no patch for an HA issue, but have a patch for a floating ip issue | 15:13 |
| Swami | I will ping you when I have the patch link. | 15:15 |
| safchain | Swami, I only know this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136042/ where there is a dependency | 15:15 |
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| Swami | sorry got disconnected | 15:20 |
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| Swami | sylvain: ping | 15:20 |
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| safchain | Swami, yes | 15:21 |
| Swami | sorry got disconnected | 15:21 |
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| Swami | safchain: I will talk to mike and then let you know if there is any dependencies on the HA side. | 15:22 |
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| Swami | Otherwise what I heard from mike is that most of the HA work for DVR is done and up for review. | 15:22 |
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| safchain | Swami, ok thx | 15:22 |
| Swami | The next is the DVR support for VPN | 15:23 |
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| Swami | This patch is up and probably approved for merge. | 15:23 |
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| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/143203/ | 15:24 |
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| Swami | IPv6 and DVR issues | 15:25 |
| Swami | There is a patch that was put for review by rajeev still in review. | 15:25 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/134676/ | 15:25 |
| haleyb | Yes, that needs some love, the dependent patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136947/ has a few more +1's | 15:26 |
| Swami | haleyb: Thanks for the link | 15:26 |
| Swami | I will ping ask rajeev to take a look at it. | 15:26 |
| haleyb | Rajeev: can you ping carl on that first one? he had a question on it that i couldn't answer quickly | 15:27 |
| Swami | haleyb: There was another bug that you filed in launchpad regarding the duplicate dvr rules. | 15:27 |
| Swami | Is that in progress are you planning to post a patch soon. | 15:27 |
| Rajeev | haleyb: ok, will do | 15:27 |
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| Swami | Rajeev: thanks | 15:28 |
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| haleyb | Swami: bug # ? I do remember it and will take a look for it | 15:28 |
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| Swami | Regarding the Multiple network support. | 15:28 |
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| Swami | haleyb: #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1398865 | 15:29 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1398865 in neutron "DVR code can add duplicate routing rules" [Medium,Confirmed] | 15:29 |
| haleyb | Swami: thanks, will work on it | 15:29 |
| Swami | The next one is the multiple external network issues with DVR | 15:30 |
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| Swami | Again on this there are couple of patches that I have pushed in for review. | 15:30 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/142674/ | 15:31 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/143567/ | 15:31 |
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| Swami | haleyb: Who is responsible for approving the bugs in devstack | 15:32 |
| Swami | I have a patch in devstack for the multiple external networks fix. | 15:32 |
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| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/143736/ | 15:32 |
| haleyb | Swami: i don't exactly know who can +2 for devstack | 15:33 |
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| Swami | haleyb: Yes there is not response on this patch. | 15:33 |
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| Swami | I know that you have pushed in a couple of patches to devstack. | 15:33 |
| haleyb | maybe because noone has given a +1 yet, so core's have ignored | 15:34 |
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| Swami | ok, can you review this patch. | 15:34 |
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| haleyb | yes, i'll review, and get anyone else who worked on the neutron side of things to as well | 15:35 |
| Swami | Also there is anther patch to handle the deletion of FIP ports based on the external network. | 15:35 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/145859/ | 15:35 |
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| ChuckC | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/DevStack has the list of QA cores | 15:36 |
| Swami | The other major part of the work to address the multiple external network is currently part of the agent refactor work. | 15:36 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/145565/ | 15:36 |
| Swami | ChuckC: Thanks, I will take a look at it and ping them. | 15:37 |
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| ChuckC | https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/50,members for devstack core team | 15:37 |
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| Swami | I need to review further the patch 145565 and do more testing to finalize the multiple external network issues. | 15:38 |
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| Swami | #topic Bug-scrum | 15:38 |
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| Swami | We have a couple of new bugs that have popped up in the last week. | 15:38 |
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| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1408855 | 15:39 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1408855 in neutron "Deleting floating ip fails in concurrent scenario " [Medium,Confirmed] | 15:39 |
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| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1405528 | 15:39 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1405528 in neutron "Migration of legacy router to distributed router should remove the original gateway port" [Medium,New] | 15:39 |
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| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1383571 | 15:40 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1383571 in neutron "The fip namespace can be destroyed on L3 agent restart" [Medium,Confirmed] | 15:40 |
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| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1362242 | 15:41 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1362242 in neutron "bridge_mappings isn't bound to any segment warning from l2pop" [Low,Confirmed] | 15:41 |
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| Swami | These are the bugs that are currently in progress. | 15:41 |
| Swami | I will try to see if we can check with the owners if assigned for an update. | 15:42 |
| Swami | That's all I had for bugs. | 15:42 |
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| Swami | #topic Functional-testing | 15:42 |
| Swami | Currently the dvr functional test patch is going through review. Because of the changes in the agent, it has to be rebased constantly. | 15:43 |
| Swami | We are planning to have a meeting to discuss about the issue with the test cores next week. | 15:43 |
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| Swami | That's all I had for today in my agenda. | 15:43 |
| Swami | Thanks for everyone who joined the call. | 15:44 |
| Swami | Meet you all next week. | 15:44 |
| Swami | Thanks | 15:44 |
| Swami | #endmeeting | 15:44 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 14 15:44:30 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/distributed_virtual_router/2015/distributed_virtual_router.2015-01-14-15.02.html | 15:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/distributed_virtual_router/2015/distributed_virtual_router.2015-01-14-15.02.txt | 15:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/distributed_virtual_router/2015/distributed_virtual_router.2015-01-14-15.02.log.html | 15:44 |
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| Sukhdev | Hello ML2'ers | 15:59 |
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| shivharis | hi | 16:00 |
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| yamahata | hello | 16:02 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: do you know if manish is around? | 16:02 |
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| shivharis | no did not see him sign/join | 16:02 |
| Sukhdev | #startmeeting networking_ml2 | 16:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 14 16:03:08 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Sukhdev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:03 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_ml2' | 16:03 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: Agenda | 16:03 |
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| Sukhdev | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2#Agenda | 16:03 |
| Sukhdev | Folks agenda is light today and many members are not available - so, we will have a short meeting today | 16:04 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Announcements | 16:04 |
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| Sukhdev | Kilo is only 3 weeks away | 16:05 |
| Sukhdev | if you have anything need to go into kilo make sure it gets tagged correctly | 16:05 |
| shivharis | you mean k2 | 16:05 |
| Sukhdev | #link: https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/kilo-2 | 16:05 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: yes | 16:05 |
| Sukhdev | Have noticed that most of the patches are failing jenkins | 16:06 |
| Sukhdev | grenade tests are failing in most of the neutron patches - I have one patch stuck waiting to pass | 16:07 |
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| Sukhdev | Anybody has any announcement? | 16:07 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: ML2 drivers decomposition | 16:08 |
| shivharis | I am actually looking for some documentation on this, any pointers? | 16:08 |
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| Sukhdev | Last week we decided to keep this on the agenda | 16:09 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: there are no pointers or documents other than the spec | 16:09 |
| shivharis | Sukhdev: Any progress on your end? Actually I will be happy with any sparse pointers as well | 16:09 |
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| shivharis | Sukhdev: Ok, will see what I can do with that | 16:10 |
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| Sukhdev | shivharis: I initiated the work and got pulled into something. Plan on getting back this week - you can see what I have on my WIP patch | 16:10 |
| Sukhdev | my WIP patch is out there | 16:11 |
| shivharis | link? | 16:11 |
| banix | (sorry for being late.) | 16:11 |
| Sukhdev | I have also created a stackforge project - have not populated it yet | 16:11 |
| * Sukhdev looking | 16:11 | |
| Sukhdev | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/140484/ | 16:12 |
| shivharis | Ah.. thanks will look at that | 16:12 |
| shivharis | Also any pointers on how to create stackforge project? | 16:12 |
| Sukhdev | mestery is bit more ahead of me on this | 16:13 |
| banix | Sukhdev: sorry if this was mentioned earlier, where do you plan to keep the library on stackforge? | 16:13 |
| mestery | Sukhdev: lol | 16:13 |
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| Sukhdev | hopefully, we will make progress this week | 16:13 |
| Sukhdev | banix: not sure if I understood your question correctly | 16:14 |
| Sukhdev | which library are you thinking about? | 16:14 |
| banix | Sukhdev: arista library? or code that the plugin will talk to | 16:15 |
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| Sukhdev | banix: Oh that will go on the stackforge project | 16:15 |
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| banix | Sukhdev: ok thanks | 16:15 |
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| shivharis | banix: you meant mech driver or the library, please clarify | 16:16 |
| Sukhdev | https://github.com/stackforge/networking-arista | 16:16 |
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| banix | shivharis: what Sukhdev mentioned above | 16:16 |
| Sukhdev | So, all of the backend code will go here in this repo | 16:16 |
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| Sukhdev | I have set up the core team for the project which will review all the patches on this project - not the neutron core team | 16:17 |
| Sukhdev | most of the code will move here and the core-facing APIs will remain in the tree - you will see it in my WIP patch | 16:18 |
| Sukhdev | I am almost there - only the issue is unit tests | 16:19 |
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| Sukhdev | I am splitting them - some of them will remain in the tree, rest of them will go in stackforge project | 16:19 |
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| Sukhdev | this splitting part and making Gerritt happy is where I am - | 16:20 |
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| Sukhdev | mestery is ahead of me - he mentioned that he has made progress on the tests | 16:21 |
| Sukhdev | As soon as either one of is ready, we will post the whole thing for the full review and you can see it | 16:21 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura mentioned yesterday that he is looking at decomosing APIC driver | 16:22 |
| Sukhdev | so, soon there will be lots of examples | 16:22 |
| Sukhdev | Hope this helps | 16:22 |
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| Sukhdev | Anything else on this topic? | 16:23 |
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| moshele | sukhdev: regarding agent we need to keep the main in the tree right? | 16:23 |
| Sukhdev | moshele: yes for now it is not impacted | 16:23 |
| moshele | and also config are ok right? | 16:24 |
| Sukhdev | moshele: unless it is vendor specific | 16:24 |
| Sukhdev | moshele: Correct | 16:24 |
| Sukhdev | I forgot to mention couple of things | 16:24 |
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| moshele | I remove all the vendor specific is just agent.run() | 16:24 |
| Sukhdev | the config and DB remains in the tree - to deal with the migrations | 16:25 |
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| Sukhdev | moshele: that is fine | 16:25 |
| moshele | ok thanks | 16:25 |
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| Sukhdev | So, it is left up to vendors as to how to deal with the action functions to access the DB. | 16:26 |
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| Sukhdev | Ideally, what remains in the tree is very small footprint | 16:27 |
| Sukhdev | Anything else? | 16:27 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: ML2 Sync and error handling | 16:28 |
| Sukhdev | I put this topic back on Agenda - as we did not discuss it after Paris summit | 16:28 |
| Sukhdev | manish was looking at the taskflow | 16:28 |
| Sukhdev | He is not here today - was hoping to pick it up | 16:29 |
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| Sukhdev | perhaps we can postpone it to next week. | 16:29 |
| shivharis | sounds fine | 16:30 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: Blueprint consolidation | 16:30 |
| Sukhdev | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Tracking_ML2_Subgroup_Reviews#Under_Review | 16:30 |
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| Sukhdev | shivharis: you were working with manish on this one | 16:30 |
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| shivharis | we are done with the consolidation work, however we still have one item to take care of | 16:31 |
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| shivharis | that is the split up the vendor and infra stuff. | 16:31 |
| shivharis | we will take care of that this week | 16:31 |
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| shivharis | other than that, i urge folks to verify the correctness of it from their perspective | 16:31 |
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| Sukhdev | everybody - please have a look and try to keep it up to date - it helps everybody | 16:32 |
| shivharis | i is possibe we may have missed something. | 16:32 |
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| Sukhdev | shivharis: thanks | 16:32 |
| Sukhdev | anything else on this? | 16:32 |
| shivharis | so, we will make additional progess this week. thats all from me and manishg | 16:32 |
| Sukhdev | OK then lets move to next topic | 16:33 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Bugs | 16:33 |
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| Sukhdev | shivharis: you want to go over them? | 16:33 |
| shivharis | the bugs state is moving at a snails pace. | 16:33 |
| shivharis | most bugs are assigned to individuals. | 16:34 |
| Sukhdev | we have 3 weeks to K2 | 16:34 |
| shivharis | I am hoping to see some progress in the bugs and k2 is 3 weeks away | 16:34 |
| shivharis | as Sukhdev mentioned. | 16:34 |
| shivharis | I have left messages for folks in the bugs themselves. Please update these. | 16:35 |
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| shivharis | the 4 high priority bugs need to be addressed soon. I have also pings folks on those. | 16:35 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura is not here today - he gave me update on his two bugs yesterda | 16:36 |
| Sukhdev | he is planning on working on them this week | 16:36 |
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| banix | This one #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/113999/ got very close to go through in Juno but didn’t get done before the cut; Now it is targeted for kilo-2. amotoki and others had reviewed it closely during the last cycle. it has a +2 now. anychance amotoki can have a second look if others also find it reasonable | 16:36 |
| Sukhdev | amotoki: are you here? | 16:37 |
| Sukhdev | banix: I think we should get this in | 16:37 |
| banix | Sukhdev: yeah it has been reviewed for quite some time | 16:38 |
| shivharis | how was the test setup for this done? | 16:38 |
| banix | shivharis: unit tests? | 16:39 |
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| shivharis | i thought in Juno the testing of this got in the way | 16:39 |
| shivharis | unit/functional test | 16:39 |
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| banix | unit tests were updated to cover the added code | 16:39 |
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| shivharis | was there any tempeststuff added to this? | 16:40 |
| shivharis | s/to/for/ | 16:40 |
| banix | shivharis: we concluded (during these meetings) that no need for extra coverage in tempest | 16:40 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: I thought we had decided to create a separate patch to write addiitional tempest test if needed | 16:41 |
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| shivharis | banix, Sukhdev: ok, thanks. | 16:41 |
| banix | shivharis: that was discussed during the meetings towards the end of juno | 16:41 |
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| shivharis | i might have missed it. | 16:41 |
| shivharis | np | 16:41 |
| banix | shivharis: it has been a while :) | 16:41 |
| Sukhdev | banix: correct | 16:42 |
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| Sukhdev | banix: so, can you ping folks to get this moving again and get it into k2 | 16:42 |
| shivharis | ok, then it is a good idea to move this forward. | 16:42 |
| banix | Sukhdev: shivharis: will do. thanks. | 16:43 |
| Sukhdev | Anything else on the bugs? | 16:43 |
| * Sukhdev waiting | 16:43 | |
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| shivharis | no thats all from my end | 16:43 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Open Discussion | 16:43 |
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| Sukhdev | floor is open for any discussion | 16:44 |
| Sukhdev | How is weather outside :-) | 16:44 |
| banix | Sukhdev: freezing | 16:44 |
| Sukhdev | ha ha - it is sunny and bright here :-) | 16:45 |
| banix | :) | 16:45 |
| Sukhdev | OK folks - if there is nothing else, lets enjoy extra minutes | 16:46 |
| Sukhdev | Thanks | 16:46 |
| Sukhdev | we are done | 16:46 |
| banix | thanks | 16:46 |
| shivharis | thanks Sukhdev, bye all | 16:46 |
| Sukhdev | #endmeeting | 16:46 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 14 16:46:24 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:46 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2015/networking_ml2.2015-01-14-16.03.html | 16:46 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2015/networking_ml2.2015-01-14-16.03.txt | 16:46 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2015/networking_ml2.2015-01-14-16.03.log.html | 16:46 |
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| Kiall | #sartmeeting Designate | 17:00 |
| Kiall | Humm.. No bot? | 17:01 |
| timsim | spelling ;) | 17:01 |
| timsim | sart | 17:01 |
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| Kiall | #startmeeting Designate | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 14 17:01:17 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Kiall. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'designate' | 17:01 |
| Kiall | thanks timsim ;) | 17:01 |
| timsim | :P | 17:01 |
| Kiall | Who's about? | 17:01 |
| rjrjr__ | o/ | 17:01 |
| timsim | o/ | 17:01 |
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| johnbelamaric | john b here | 17:02 |
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| betsy | o/ | 17:02 |
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| Kiall | #topic Kilo Release Status (kiall - recurring) | 17:02 |
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| Kiall | #link https://launchpad.net/designate/+milestone/kilo-2 | 17:02 |
| Kiall | k2 is Feb 5th | 17:03 |
| mugsie | ccccccdtrunhehtvltctilgluehhhrbeljikkfchdchg | 17:03 |
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| Kiall | nice mugsie | 17:03 |
| timsim | lol | 17:03 |
| mugsie | sshhh | 17:03 |
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| Kiall | So - Status wise, We're mostly there.. What we're really falling behind on is updating the "old-style" backends - timsim's done a lot of work in the area, but we'll want to get reviewing it etc to start getting it merged | 17:04 |
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| Kiall | with the midcycle next week, I think we''ll hammer out a lot of the remaining pools quirks etc :) | 17:04 |
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| Kiall | Am I missing anything we should have in k2? | 17:04 |
| mugsie | dont think so | 17:04 |
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| Kiall | Anyone else? :) | 17:05 |
| timsim | Vinod's change maybe? | 17:05 |
| timsim | The admin api pool business | 17:05 |
| mugsie | is there a BP for that? | 17:05 |
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| timsim | Don't think so | 17:05 |
| Kiall | No - Code is up for review @ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/139748/ | 17:05 |
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| Kiall | guess we upset him ;) | 17:06 |
| mugsie | if there is - we should mark it, or just review it. | 17:06 |
| Kiall | Anyway - It's in good shape, just needs a proper review or two I think.. | 17:06 |
| timsim | That's all i've got | 17:06 |
| mugsie | cool | 17:06 |
| Kiall | We should also file a stub BP in launchpad, so it's on the tracking page.. I'll do that after | 17:06 |
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| Kiall | #action kiall file stub BP for vinod's pools admin-api review.. | 17:07 |
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| Kiall | #topic Pools - Where are we? (kiall - recurring) | 17:07 |
| Kiall | rjrjr__: about? You're always the most up to date on pools status? :) | 17:07 |
| rjrjr__ | just submitted some unit tests a short while ago. | 17:08 |
| rjrjr__ | fixed several bugs after the meeting last week and will look at the comments on the patches i submitted and fix those up shortly. | 17:08 |
| rjrjr__ | i think testing is the key now. most of the bugs i know about have been squashed. | 17:08 |
| Kiall | Oh, cool.. That can give us a base more pools tests for tomorrow :) | 17:08 |
| Kiall | Yea, agreed... Hopefully we can knock out a good chunck of that tomorrow dueing the testing sprint.. | 17:09 |
| rjrjr__ | one more patch i'm aware of is to remove the cache entries when we are done with them. it is on my plate and will be done by the end of the week. | 17:09 |
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| Kiall | Okay - Everyone able to make it to the sprint tomorrow? | 17:10 |
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| vinod1 | yes | 17:10 |
| betsy | +1 | 17:10 |
| timsim | Yep | 17:10 |
| ekarlso- | o/ | 17:11 |
| rjrjr__ | tenative. i'll join, but not necessarily participate. | 17:11 |
| mugsie | i'll think about it ... | 17:11 |
| mugsie | :D | 17:11 |
| vinod1 | Kiall: You mentioned doing some prep work in preparation for tomorrow's sprint | 17:11 |
| Kiall | lol.. rjrjr__try your best :) | 17:11 |
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| Kiall | vinod1: yep, it's on my plate for today - I'd like to get us setup to do better integration testing.. | 17:11 |
| Kiall | (We're in seattle - so it's still on 9am ;)) | 17:12 |
| Kiall | only* | 17:12 |
| Kiall | Okay - Any other areas of pools needing a look at? | 17:12 |
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| mugsie | dont think so bar load of testing | 17:13 |
| mugsie | loads*[5~ | 17:13 |
| Kiall | Okay - We'll move on so :) | 17:13 |
| Kiall | #topic Monthly Topic Sprints (kiall) | 17:13 |
| Kiall | We already discussed this ;) But - If everyone can try and make it, we'll be covering unit/integration testing work that's fallen behind | 17:14 |
| timsim | Tomorrow, 9-1 PST, yeah? | 17:14 |
| timsim | No | 17:15 |
| mugsie | 11-3 ? | 17:15 |
| vinod1 | 11-3 PST | 17:15 |
| timsim | 11-3 PST | 17:15 |
| mugsie | timsim: giving me a heart attack | 17:15 |
| Kiall | Ideally, people can get familar with how to create/read coverage reports locally (tox -e cover), and maybe pick an area they'd like to try cover :) | 17:15 |
| Kiall | mugsie: lol | 17:15 |
| timsim | hahaha | 17:15 |
| betsy | 9 - 1 CST :) | 17:15 |
| timsim | 1-5 CST ;) betsy | 17:16 |
| timsim | Anyway. Sounds like fun! | 17:16 |
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| betsy | oops | 17:16 |
| Kiall | Also - Can we review rjrjr__'s pools unit tests as a matter of priority? ideally, we have that merged before we start tomorrow as a basis for more pools tests... | 17:16 |
| timsim | Kiall: +1 | 17:16 |
| vinod1 | Kiall - would be good if you list the top things we like to cover - makes the decision process easier | 17:16 |
| rjrjr__ | i'll have it finished in a few hours. it is WIP right now. | 17:16 |
| Kiall | vinod1: sure, I can do that.. | 17:17 |
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| rjrjr__ | unfortunately, it relies on a patch i submitted friday. just have to get it past vinod. LOL | 17:17 |
| Kiall | haha | 17:17 |
| Kiall | #action kiall to list out top areas needing test attention on an etherpad | 17:18 |
| Kiall | #topic Open Discussion | 17:18 |
| Kiall | Okay - That's the last of our agenda items, any other topics? | 17:18 |
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| Kiall | Areas needing attention will be on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/designate-testing-sprint | 17:19 |
| Kiall | None from anybody? | 17:19 |
| rjrjr__ | i hope everyone saw the email i sent out yesterday. i have a room booked in SJ for us. | 17:19 |
| rjrjr__ | that was fun. | 17:19 |
| Kiall | I did, excellent :) | 17:20 |
| timsim | Yep, thanks rjrjr__ | 17:20 |
| timsim | vinod1 is going to be at the mid-cycle. Not sure if that was shared yet | 17:20 |
| Kiall | lol - didn't just open outlook and click "Find room"? ;) | 17:20 |
| vinod1 | Paul had filed a bug 1409824 | 17:20 |
| rjrjr__ | good news! | 17:20 |
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| Kiall | vinod1: excellent :D | 17:20 |
| vinod1 | That should be for Kilo2 I think | 17:20 |
| Kiall | "The API does not return a status field for recordsets" <-- bug 1409824 | 17:21 |
| timsim | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1409824 | 17:21 |
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| Kiall | Yea - That seems like a same | 17:21 |
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| Kiall | sorry - distracted at desk | 17:22 |
| Kiall | back.. | 17:22 |
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| Kiall | Seems like a sane thing I reckon | 17:23 |
| Kiall | Let's tag t2 | 17:23 |
| Kiall | k2 | 17:23 |
| timsim | Yep | 17:23 |
| mugsie | it already done ;) | 17:23 |
| vinod1 | The backlog of code reviews is growing - would be could to get more eyes on them | 17:23 |
| mugsie | vinod1: +1 | 17:23 |
| Kiall | mugsie: really? | 17:23 |
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| Kiall | I don't see a review for it? | 17:23 |
| mugsie | maked as k2 | 17:24 |
| Kiall | Ah | 17:24 |
| mugsie | marked* | 17:24 |
| Kiall | I just changed it as I said it ;) | 17:24 |
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| Kiall | Re backlog, yea.. We have a bunch of them to knock out.. I'll make more time to work through them as soon as I can.. Hopefully others can do the same. | 17:25 |
| Kiall | paul_glass: here BTW? | 17:25 |
| rjrjr__ | zuul is bogged down today. lots of jobs. | 17:25 |
| paul_glass | I'm around | 17:25 |
| Kiall | paul_glass: heya - Just wanted to say Hi! and thanks for all the bug reports.. Theve been helpful :D | 17:26 |
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| paul_glass | no problem! | 17:26 |
| clarkb | rjrjr__: we are currentl operating without half our cloud capacity | 17:26 |
| clarkb | so things are backed up, but moving | 17:26 |
| rjrjr__ | clarkb: good to know. thanks! | 17:27 |
| mugsie | clarkb: which side died this time? | 17:27 |
| clarkb | mugsie: hpcloud | 17:27 |
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| Kiall | clarkb: ouch, issues in HPC? Let me know if I can annoy anyone internally for you ;) | 17:27 |
| clarkb | Kiall: we have already suckered somone into helping :) tteggel has been a ton of help | 17:27 |
| Kiall | :D | 17:27 |
| Kiall | Okay - Any other topics? | 17:27 |
| vinod1 | None from me. | 17:28 |
| betsy | not from me | 17:28 |
| mugsie | Nope - I am good | 17:28 |
| timsim | I was wondering when people are getting to SJ, where they were staying. | 17:28 |
| Kiall | let me check.. | 17:28 |
| rjrjr__ | i'll be at the extended stay. | 17:28 |
| timsim | vinod1 and I are in the very poorly yelp-reviewed http://www.yelp.com/biz/extended-stay-america-san-jose-airport-san-jose | 17:28 |
| rjrjr__ | it is right across the street from the campus. | 17:28 |
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| mugsie | We are in a Hilton, a couple of blocks over... | 17:29 |
| rjrjr__ | timsim: same place. | 17:29 |
| timsim | Party | 17:29 |
| timsim | We get there Sunday evening. | 17:29 |
| Kiall | We'll be in Saturday afternoon | 17:29 |
| rjrjr__ | i'll be there around midnight Sunday. | 17:29 |
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| timsim | Cool :) | 17:30 |
| Kiall | Okay - Any last minute topics before we call it a day? :) | 17:30 |
| rjrjr__ | so, tomorrow at 11 PST, correct? | 17:31 |
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| Kiall | Yes - 11-3 PST | 17:31 |
| rjrjr__ | i'm good then. | 17:31 |
| Kiall | Okay - Thanks all - See you tomorrow @ 11-3 PST :) | 17:31 |
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| Kiall | #endmeeting | 17:32 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 14 17:32:10 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:32 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2015/designate.2015-01-14-17.01.html | 17:32 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2015/designate.2015-01-14-17.01.txt | 17:32 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2015/designate.2015-01-14-17.01.log.html | 17:32 |
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| SlickNik | #startmeeting trove | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 14 18:00:34 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SlickNik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trove' | 18:00 |
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| SlickNik | Giving folks a few minutes to trickle in | 18:01 |
| SlickNik | Meeting agenda at: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting | 18:01 |
| SlickNik | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting | 18:01 |
| vkmc | o/ | 18:01 |
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| georgelorch | o/ | 18:02 |
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| SlickNik | Fairly light meeting agenda today — so let's get started. | 18:03 |
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| dougshelley66 | o/ | 18:03 |
| bartash | o/ | 18:04 |
| SlickNik | #topic dib elements for DB2 Express-C | 18:04 |
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| johnma | Thats mine. | 18:04 |
| SlickNik | johnma: go for it | 18:04 |
| SlickNik | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/133856/ | 18:04 |
| peterstac | o/ | 18:04 |
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| vgnbkr | o/ | 18:05 |
| johnma | To give everyone an idea of what this item is about - it is to add support for DB2 Express-C. One of the problems we identified early on with creating images for DB2 express-C was that it required user to go through a registration process even though its the free version of DB2 | 18:05 |
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| johnma | like other databases Trove supports today, DB2 Express-C cannot be downloaded from a public repository either | 18:06 |
| dougshelley66 | johnma, do you mean "unlike" | 18:07 |
| johnma | we have been pretty much having lots of internal discussions within IBM throughout last month and there isnt a way to bypass the registration process. Its there to prevent users from embargoed countries from downloading DB2 | 18:07 |
| johnma | yes unlike, mistyped | 18:07 |
| johnma | thanks dougshelley66 :) | 18:07 |
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| johnma | so the solution we came up with was to have users go through the registration process and have them download the packages to a local repository from where trove can then access the packages. | 18:08 |
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| johnma | Then we can go through the usual process of installating DB2 Express-C and creating users and all that good stuff. | 18:09 |
| XO19_ | o/ | 18:09 |
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| SlickNik | johnma: How would this work with a public CI system (like the one OpenStack has)? | 18:10 |
| annashen | o/ | 18:10 |
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| johnma | so what we can do is download the packages into a local directory on the local filesystem and then copy those packages to the temp filesystem that the dib has access to | 18:10 |
| SlickNik | I think the primary driver for this requirement is for a CI system (OpenStack / public 3rd party) to be able to pick up the bits, and build an image that it can then use as part of CI? | 18:11 |
| vkmc | right now, the image creation process is external to Trove, isn't that right? | 18:12 |
| dougshelley66 | SlickNik, are there plans to have the CI test more than mysql? | 18:12 |
| SlickNik | johnma: I think that's okay as long as the CI system is able to download the packages — how does that work with the current registration wall? | 18:12 |
| johnma | so whoever that wants to create an image for DB2 express-C would download the db2 package into a local directory and wouldnt have to worry about putting it on a local repository | 18:12 |
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| johnma | there is a website that the user will have to go and register. So user will have to go to the website and register and then download the packages and place it in the local directory. There isnt an automatic way to go through the registration process | 18:14 |
| SlickNik | vkmc: Yes, and no. The image creation happens as a separate step, but the function tests that run as part of the CI today test both the image build, and int-tests. | 18:14 |
| vkmc | dougshelley66, +1 I have the same concern | 18:14 |
| vgnbkr | So every time you ran redstack kick-start it would make you register and re-download the database software? | 18:14 |
| amrith | o/ | 18:14 |
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| vkmc | SlickNik, I see | 18:14 |
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| SlickNik | dougshelley66: The plan is to have new datastores use a third party CI system to ensure that some sort of CI runs on that new datastore type. | 18:15 |
| amrith | as I understand it, this approach will not work well for the CI system | 18:15 |
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| amrith | as it requires a person to download the db package and put it someplace accessible to the ci | 18:16 |
| SlickNik | dougshelley66: So that we make sure that we don't regress functionality for those datastore types with changes in common code. | 18:16 |
| johnma | the assumption is that once youregister and download the packages in a local directory that the dib has access to, everytime you run redstack kickstart it will automatically copy the package from your local dir to the temp FS and continue with the installation process | 18:16 |
| johnma | so you wouldnt have to go through the registration process every time | 18:16 |
| amrith | and that place, whatever it is, is one that would be for the most part, tantamount to redistributing the database, would it not? | 18:16 |
| johnma | thats right amrith | 18:17 |
| dougshelley66 | johnma, so IBM lawyers are ok with people booting a pre-created image where the person booting the image didn't go thru the click wrap registration? | 18:17 |
| johnma | I am assuming this could be a model that works for other databases which require licenses as well. I can speak for DB2 licensed versions and Cloudant | 18:17 |
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| johnma | dougshelley66, thats right. For DB2 what matters is, the person downloading it isnt from an embargoed country. | 18:19 |
| dougshelley66 | johnma, what if the person booting the image is in an embargoed country? | 18:19 |
| vkmc | and if the person using the pre created image with DB2 is in ... | 18:19 |
| vkmc | that | 18:20 |
| amrith | so the pre-created image will be created by someone who isn't in an embargoed country. What protection is there on theperson booting the miage | 18:20 |
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| shayneburgess | I believe the EULA you agree to when downloading these things says you can’t redist to an embargoed country. The intent is to do due diligence not full prevention | 18:20 |
| amrith | the eula says you can't redistribute. <period> | 18:21 |
| amrith | a guest image would violate that eula | 18:21 |
| amrith | <disclaimer>I'm not a lawyer, I don't play one on IRC</disclaimer> | 18:21 |
| johnma | thats possible and I did bring it up during our discussions and what mattered was the country from where the packages were downloaded. Now I can verify again but I am pretty sure they are going to be fine | 18:21 |
| johnma | :) , no theses are good questions amrith | 18:22 |
| SlickNik | amrith: Yes, which is probably the reason that we cannot cache the guest image and make it available for download in this case. | 18:22 |
| amrith | SlickNik, yes. and for the same reason you can't build them on the fly | 18:22 |
| amrith | which is the catch-22 | 18:23 |
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| saurabhs | slicknik: is it necessary that the openstack CI system builds and tests every datastore. for non-opensource datastores/the one requiring user registration etc. should we allow similar build approach that johnma pointed out. and keep CI/CD for such datastore outside the scope of the openstack CI. let owners worry about doing CI/CD on these and in turn worry about the how they want to keep their images pacakges uptodate? | 18:23 |
| vkmc | saurabhs, +1 | 18:24 |
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| amrith | saurabhs, while your approach is attractive, how do I ensure that some change I make doesn't break some IBM code for db2? | 18:24 |
| johnma | that would make my life easy | 18:24 |
| SlickNik | saurabhs: We need to ensure that some sort of CI/CD Is happening on this as it's part of the trove codebase. | 18:24 |
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| shayneburgess | maybe the simple way to solve this is to clearly explain to the legal team how it will be usd. If they sign-off then it’s probably outside our area of concern/expertise | 18:24 |
| amrith | recently I had a chkin which I though may impact RedHat so I requested vkmc and sgotliv to test | 18:24 |
| amrith | but that isn't scalable. | 18:24 |
| SlickNik | saurabhs: or else we're shipping code that's not tested. | 18:24 |
| saurabhs | amrith: if your change breaks IBM code, their CI/CD should catch it and vote on your review of comment with approprite fix | 18:25 |
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| SlickNik | saurabhs: Yes, so we need to ensure that there is a 3rd party CI/CD system that is testing this in the public. | 18:25 |
| amrith | except the CI/CD for IBM would then have to cherry pick each patch and test it in near real time | 18:25 |
| johnma | when you say break IBM code, do you mean the guestagent code for DB2? | 18:25 |
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| amrith | and I wouldn't know because that CI/CD wouldn't know to notify me. | 18:25 |
| amrith | I think | 18:25 |
| amrith | johnma, yes | 18:25 |
| dougshelley66 | Just to be clear - at this point, the CI only tests mysql, right? | 18:26 |
| shayneburgess | and do we want to extend the checkin gate time to whatever is the longest gate time of the third party gates | 18:26 |
| saurabhs | amrith: I think we should take the approach that if you are not notified you shouldn' | 18:26 |
| johnma | ok, that is a valid point Amrith | 18:26 |
| saurabhs | shouldn | 18:26 |
| saurabhs | shouldn't be worried about breaking it. | 18:26 |
| SlickNik | dougshelley66: Yes, that is correct — currently there's only the OpenStack CI which tests only mysql. | 18:26 |
| saurabhs | thirdpaty ci/cd should integrate with Openstack CI for voting. | 18:27 |
| SlickNik | although there is an experimental mongo job | 18:27 |
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| peterstac | SlickNik: would the idea of 3rd party testing ... | 18:27 |
| peterstac | ^^^ what saurabhs said ... | 18:28 |
| saurabhs | I think there are lot of thirdparty drivers who have their CI/CD voting on various other projects. like neutron. there are many proprietary network drivers which vote on each neutron patch | 18:28 |
| SlickNik | saurabhs: agreed. The issue here is that the 3rd party CI can't download and install the datastore in public. | 18:28 |
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| SlickNik | As long as that can be done, and the 3rd party CI system is set up to do it — I think we're okay. | 18:28 |
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| peterstac | well, in this case the 3rd party CI would be run on IBM's machines (presumably) so no issue | 18:28 |
| peterstac | right? | 18:29 |
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| shayneburgess | also IMHO a non-voting CI will be ignored for the most part. Ownership of break in the third party gate is not clear | 18:29 |
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| saurabhs | Slicknik: not in public but they will be able to do it within their CI/CD system. | 18:29 |
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| amrith | as shayneburgess said. heck some projects ignore non-voting jobs in the openstack CI. | 18:30 |
| saurabhs | looking for results from non-voting ci job can be part of the review process. | 18:30 |
| SlickNik | amrith: and if the 3rd party CI job keeps failing for a long time , the code is pulled out of the project since it's deemed non-working (iirc) | 18:31 |
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| peterstac | saurabhs: probably won't happen, though | 18:31 |
| vkmc | saurabhs, could be and should be | 18:31 |
| johnma | petersac: I guess that would work | 18:31 |
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| SlickNik | I think the important part here is that we decide what tests are a requirement for the 3rd party CI system to run. | 18:32 |
| shayneburgess | just curious. if my fix causes a break in the *example* IBM agent because of a seperate bug in the agent who owns fixing it before my checkin goes in? | 18:33 |
| SlickNik | Getting the licensing right to download the bits / create the image, and actually run the tests are up to the 3rd party CI system. | 18:33 |
| SlickNik | shayneburgess: You bring up a good point — at that point presumably you'd have to work with the IBM folks to see what went wrong and one interested parties would have to propose a fix. | 18:35 |
| johnma | so SlickNik, who owns the dib elements for DB2 in this case, do they become part of the trove-integration project | 18:35 |
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| johnma | so who is the IBM contact - right now I guess its just me. Whats the process of setting a contact from IBM or any other company for that matter - is there an existing process | 18:36 |
| saurabhs | I believe dib elements should still go in trove-integration and third party CI should run everything from upstream trove-integration. so that if somebody else wants to build/test this they can (by registering and downloading the packages) etc. | 18:36 |
| SlickNik | johnma: Yes, I'd assume that the dib elements would be part of the trove-integration project. I don't see a reason to keep it out. | 18:36 |
| shayneburgess | SlickNick: makes sense. So third parties can add a gate and ultimate ownership of the quality of that resides with them, not Trove as a whole. It’s an indicator for the owner of that gate the quality of their datastore support | 18:36 |
| amrith | SlickNik, a question for you ... | 18:37 |
| amrith | related to that | 18:37 |
| amrith | I just fixed https://review.openstack.org/#/c/146147/ | 18:37 |
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| amrith | It involved making changes for redhat and ubuntu | 18:37 |
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| amrith | in the future, I would (in theory) have to make changes for db2 as well | 18:37 |
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| amrith | is it incumbent upon me as a developer to also make those changes? | 18:38 |
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| amrith | the issue is that unless reviewers catch the fact that the change hasn't been made for db2, the openstack CI won't break | 18:38 |
| amrith | and no one will be the wiser and we'll get in the same kind of situation we're in with redhat where 'kick-start mysql' doesn't work! | 18:38 |
| amrith | only worse | 18:38 |
| SlickNik | amrith: You wouldn't have to make that change for DB2, those elements are shared across datastores, IIRC. | 18:38 |
| SlickNik | you'd have to make that change for a new OS, perhaps | 18:39 |
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| amrith | SlickNik, you take my example more literally than I'd intended. | 18:39 |
| amrith | I was only testing ubuntu but got help to test redhat | 18:39 |
| amrith | if I make a change that potentially impacts multiple datastores, then I'd test with those | 18:40 |
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| amrith | like mongo, cassandra, mysql, ... | 18:40 |
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| amrith | in future would I also have to test db2? | 18:40 |
| vkmc | its impossible to make a change and make sure it works for n datastores | 18:40 |
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| vkmc | more if they are not open source | 18:40 |
| dougshelley66 | vkmc, but if the CI tests all datastores, you would have to do that | 18:41 |
| peterstac | vkmc: unless you test it against n datastores :) | 18:41 |
| SlickNik | If we're designing this right, the footprint of code which is shared across datastore is not duplicated across the n-datasores. | 18:41 |
| vkmc | dougshelley66, peterstac, that's my concern :) | 18:41 |
| saurabhs | IMHO its impractical that a feature needs to be supported across each datastore. we should be able to add a feature to any datastore of our choice and if anybody else is interested they can get that feature ported/working for datastore of their choice | 18:41 |
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| saurabhs | that way when number of datastore increase in future our feature dev time doesn't increase with it | 18:42 |
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| edmondk | Are we proposing then every time a proprietary datastore is added we add a specific CI that runs on that companies machines and we then have to have a contact to that company if something breaks? Doesn't feel very open to me. | 18:42 |
| amrith | saurabhs, I agree. the converse is my question. I don't believe that it is reasonable to say I want a fix in one datastore only and if I happen to break another datastore then the interested parties can fix that there. | 18:42 |
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| vkmc | edmondk, +1 | 18:42 |
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| edmondk | What happens if we added Oracle, Microsoft SQL Server, do we need servers from Microsoft and Oracle to run a CI? | 18:43 |
| saurabhs | amrith: correct we can take that approach only for new features for existing feature we should make sure that we don't break them for any datastore | 18:43 |
| saurabhs | edmondk: if they don't want to put their images/packages on public repos | 18:44 |
| amrith | saurabhs, the issue is how do I as a person fixing bugs ensure that I don't regress a datastore to which there's no CI as a direct part of my chkin process. | 18:44 |
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| shayneburgess | edmondk: +1. It’s not clear if Oracle or MS has any interest in us supporting their datastores | 18:44 |
| SlickNik | edmondk: No — we're proposing a similar model to the Neutron Driver model. For any new datastore that anyone wants to add to Trove, we require a minimum set of int-tests to run on a 3rd party open public CI system that is transparent and votes on the gerrit reviews, with logs that are accessible in case of failures. | 18:44 |
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| SlickNik | 3rd party because the CI system and the corresponding resources are set up by the interested party in question. | 18:46 |
| amrith | the issue with that proposal SlickNik is that it be an open public CI. | 18:46 |
| vkmc | maybe it would be a good idea to ask Neutron folks how that work for them | 18:46 |
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| vkmc | are all those drivers in Neutron code base? or are them in external repos? | 18:46 |
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| SlickNik | vkmc: If you want your driver/datastore in an external repo — feel free and have at it. You can do whatever you like. | 18:47 |
| SlickNik | I believe this is the minimum requirement for in-repo drivers (or in this case datastores) | 18:48 |
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| vkmc | SlickNik, so...you are saying that if the driver developer wants their driver to be in Trove codebase, then they also should provide a minimum set of int tests | 18:48 |
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| SlickNik | So that there is a minimum guarantee to the quality of the code that ships as part of the OpenStack project. | 18:48 |
| edmondk | SlickNik: The scenario then would be IBM adds code for DB2 in upstream Trove, add int-tests, then also provide their own CI build machine that hooks into our gerrit review system to run those specific DB2 int-tests? | 18:49 |
| SlickNik | vkmc: minimum set of int-tests, and a minimum infrastructure to run it and ensure that those tests and consequently the in-repo code is working. | 18:49 |
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| SlickNik | edmondk: Yes. that's the suggestion. | 18:50 |
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| amrith | SlickNik, would the jobs run on the IBM CI (in this case) be gating jobs in the openstack CI? | 18:50 |
| vkmc | what happens if a change in Trove requires the 3rd party to change their code? | 18:51 |
| SlickNik | amrith: Yes, if the jobs run stable — they can be promoted to voting jobs. | 18:51 |
| SlickNik | amrith: http://ci.openstack.org/third_party.html | 18:51 |
| peterstac | SlickNik, amrith: That's essentially what rdjenkins used to be, correct? | 18:51 |
| SlickNik | vkmc: If it's a stable 3rd party job, that change in trove won't be able to land without a corresponding change in the 3rd party job. | 18:52 |
| SlickNik | ^ amrith: | 18:52 |
| amrith | SlickNik, I'm reading that link ... | 18:53 |
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| SlickNik | peterstac: Yes, more or less. | 18:53 |
| iccha | hey guys not to interrupt, but please leave 5 min in the end to go over Anna's changes based on yesterday's discussion | 18:53 |
| SlickNik | Yes, I think there's a lot here to cover for 3rd party stuff. | 18:54 |
| SlickNik | Let's move on and we can revisit this topic in the channel. | 18:54 |
| johnma | ok, sounds good | 18:54 |
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| SlickNik | #topic Review #131610 | 18:54 |
| iccha | XO19_: ^ | 18:55 |
| SlickNik | #topic Review 131610 | 18:55 |
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| amrith | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/131610/ | 18:55 |
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| SlickNik | I think XO19_ proposed a new patch set recently | 18:55 |
| SlickNik | I haven't yet had a chance to review it. | 18:55 |
| iccha | SlickNik: yes so yest in the channel amrith suggested we give the tenant to block log access to admin | 18:56 |
| iccha | the changes in the review reflect that | 18:56 |
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| vkmc | I see the new patches proposed the addition of the admin_log_access boolean param | 18:57 |
| vkmc | if that is set to true | 18:57 |
| XO19_ | and might want to decide if its better off implemented as an extension | 18:57 |
| vkmc | does that mean that only the admin user of the project is the only one capable of accesing to the new endpoints? | 18:57 |
| vkmc | or every user in the tenant can access them? | 18:58 |
| iccha | vkmc: nope amrith wanted the tenant to decide whether admin can have accessin addition to the tenant | 18:58 |
| SlickNik | I'm indifferent to the switch. IMO an admin can basically alter the trove code running underneath, so there are no guarantees that the switch would even have to be honored. | 18:59 |
| SlickNik | IMO A malicious admin can pretty much do whatever he wants. | 19:00 |
| vkmc | SlickNik, you are thinking about the cloud admin, not the project/tenant admin user | 19:00 |
| vkmc | right? | 19:00 |
| amrith | <time-check> | 19:01 |
| SlickNik | Looks good to me either way. | 19:01 |
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| iccha | ok thank you, folks feel free to leave comments on review if any | 19:01 |
| iccha | thanks XO19_ for working on the spec | 19:02 |
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| SlickNik | vkmc: yes — for a user in the same tenant they'd have access to the logs anyway. | 19:02 |
| vkmc | thanks XO19_! | 19:02 |
| SlickNik | #topic Open Discussion | 19:02 |
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| SlickNik | Anything? | 19:02 |
| SlickNik | If so, let's continue the discussion in #openstack-trove. | 19:03 |
| amrith | yes | 19:03 |
| amrith | but acn we convene in #openstack-trove | 19:03 |
| SlickNik | #endmeeting | 19:03 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 14 19:03:19 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:03 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2015/trove.2015-01-14-18.00.html | 19:03 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2015/trove.2015-01-14-18.00.txt | 19:03 |
| SlickNik | Thanks all. | 19:03 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2015/trove.2015-01-14-18.00.log.html | 19:03 |
| vkmc | thanks all o/ | 19:03 |
| XO19_ | thank you :) | 19:04 |
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| sbalukoff | #startmeeting Octavia | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 14 20:00:18 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sbalukoff. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'octavia' | 20:00 |
| sbalukoff | Howdy folks! | 20:00 |
| TrevorV | o/ | 20:00 |
| sbalukoff | #topic Roll Call | 20:00 |
| TrevorV | o/ again | 20:00 |
| blogan | present | 20:00 |
| johnsom | o/ | 20:00 |
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| ajmiller | o/ | 20:01 |
| dougwig | I/ | 20:01 |
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| TrevorV | dougwig is a cone head | 20:01 |
| sbalukoff | Here's our agenda for today: | 20:01 |
| sbalukoff | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Octavia/Weekly_Meeting_Agenda#Agenda | 20:01 |
| xgerman | o/ | 20:01 |
| a2hill | o/ | 20:01 |
| bedis | o/ | 20:01 |
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| sbalukoff | Let's also see if we can get through it fairly quickly so people can get back to being productive. :D | 20:01 |
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| sbalukoff | #topic Brief progress reports | 20:02 |
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| sbalukoff | Ok, so! We got a lot of stuff merged this last week which is great. | 20:02 |
| xgerman | +100 | 20:02 |
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| jorgem | o/ | 20:02 |
| sbalukoff | On the amphora API: I'm sorry to report no progress this last week; Should have more time for this this week. | 20:02 |
| blogan | off with his head | 20:03 |
| TrevorV | On the client side, I've got a little bit more testing to write, but it should be updated per the current spec | 20:03 |
| xgerman | I will integrate TrevorV's code into the flows + test it | 20:03 |
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| TrevorV | However the spec needs updated | 20:03 |
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| sbalukoff | I also notice that we've got a ton of WIP reviews, so I consider that a good sign that people are working on stuff and committing early and often. :) | 20:03 |
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| a2hill | i submitted a start on the haproxy driver and was working on some taskflow/taskflow testing. Will probably work on neut-lbaas ref-impl ext | 20:03 |
| sbalukoff | TrevorV: Yes, spec needs updating. I'll do that before adding more code. | 20:03 |
| TrevorV | kk sbalukoff I'll update accordingly as well | 20:03 |
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| sbalukoff | a2hill: I understand you're blocked on the spec updates, right? | 20:04 |
| sbalukoff | Anything else anyone is blocked on presently? | 20:04 |
| bedis | a2hill: don't hesitate to contact me directly to review your haproxy driver :) | 20:04 |
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| rm_mobile | Kinda blocked on the requirements cr I linked | 20:05 |
| TrevorV | bedis sbalukoff you might want to talk with each other about the backend of the amphora API as well | 20:05 |
| ajmiller | I have seen the comments by sbalukoff and blogan regarding the housekeeping manager spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/142633/9. I will reply with some comments and a new patch today or tomorrow. | 20:05 |
| sbalukoff | rm_mobile: Could you like it here? | 20:05 |
| sbalukoff | link | 20:05 |
| a2hill | Correct sbalukoff, some of the answers there will help decide driver logic | 20:05 |
| sbalukoff | ajmiller: Thanks! that's great! | 20:05 |
| a2hill | bedis, the driver itself is very simple mostly because things like the api is abstracted from it. | 20:06 |
| sbalukoff | a2hill: Ok, I will do what I can to prioritize getting those answers done. | 20:06 |
| a2hill | sbalukoff rm_work will be joining soon | 20:06 |
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| a2hill | Thank you sbalukoff | 20:06 |
| blogan | a2hill, bedis: except building the haproxy config | 20:06 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:06 |
| blogan | ajmiller: good to know | 20:07 |
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| a2hill | well yea, and in that case its sorta ready for review inside here: | 20:07 |
| rm_work | sbalukoff: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/146231/ | 20:07 |
| a2hill | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/144348/ | 20:07 |
| rm_work | sbalukoff: linked in the meeting overview thing too | 20:07 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: Yeah, but that's basically just a template. ;) | 20:07 |
| a2hill | ^ | 20:07 |
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| xgerman | jinja template I hope | 20:07 |
| TrevorV | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/146231/ | 20:07 |
| TrevorV | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/144348/ | 20:07 |
| a2hill | Thank you TrevorV ;) | 20:07 |
| sbalukoff | xgerman: You can -1 it if it isn't. (It is.) ;) | 20:08 |
| TrevorV | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/142633/9 | 20:08 |
| sbalukoff | rm_work: Aah! Right. | 20:08 |
| a2hill | Unicorn Template, what is this 'jinja' you speak of | 20:08 |
| xgerman | I was just checking :-) | 20:08 |
| sbalukoff | Heh! | 20:09 |
| sbalukoff | Ok! Any other progress reports people would like to share at this time and/or blockers / requests for help people want to bring up? | 20:09 |
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| dougwig | rm_mobile: you don't have to wait for that review. Our req file is already in violation. And while that needs to be fixed, you can make progress | 20:10 |
| sbalukoff | (FWIW, I'm pretty happy with the velocity we've achieved since the new year...) | 20:10 |
| xgerman | guess that was everybody's new year resolution ;-) | 20:10 |
| rm_work | dougwig: it breaks the gate | 20:11 |
| rm_work | dougwig: jenkins -1s | 20:11 |
| rm_work | oh wait shit | 20:11 |
| rm_work | I think I am thinking of a neutron-lbaas CR >_< nm ignore me | 20:11 |
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| dougwig | So just import blindly for now, and try wrap | 20:12 |
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| dougwig | Ok | 20:12 |
| blogan | im pretty sure he's talking about neutron-lbaas | 20:12 |
| rm_work | yep | 20:12 |
| rm_work | which is the only reason it matters | 20:12 |
| rm_work | so ignore me | 20:12 |
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| blogan | always do :) | 20:12 |
| rm_work | forgot which meeting i was in T_T | 20:12 |
| dougwig | That's not stack forge, so has less leeway | 20:12 |
| rm_work | it's all the same people... | 20:12 |
| sbalukoff | :) | 20:13 |
| sbalukoff | No worries, eh. | 20:13 |
| sbalukoff | Ok, so! | 20:13 |
| sbalukoff | Let's move on to the next topic. | 20:13 |
| dougwig | Infra rules vary. | 20:13 |
| sbalukoff | #topic Closing in on an alpha release | 20:13 |
| blogan | define "closing ini" | 20:13 |
| blogan | i mean "closing in" | 20:13 |
| sbalukoff | Basically, with this I just wanted to say that I'd like to put together a list of the last to-do's and whatnot's we'll need to get an alpha release going. Something akin to the 0.25 release. | 20:13 |
| sbalukoff | But something which spins up an amphora, plumbs it, and can configure listeners on it. | 20:14 |
| xgerman | we can spin up amphora today | 20:14 |
| sbalukoff | I'm going to try to coordinate / document this via launchpad (as much as I hate it.) | 20:14 |
| blogan | we can't end to end | 20:14 |
| rm_work | kk, but only on the condition that when we release our 0.5 version, we code-name it '50-cent' | 20:14 |
| sbalukoff | xgerman: I'm looking for something people can really start playing with that will actually do some load balancing. | 20:14 |
| jorgem | Geting a create end to end would be a nice milestone | 20:14 |
| barclaac | Rm-work +1 | 20:15 |
| sbalukoff | jorgem: I also know you want to see features, etc. tied to milestones. | 20:15 |
| sbalukoff | I'll try to do this, but again, I think launchpad is a very hamfisted tool for this kind of thing, to put it nicely. | 20:15 |
| jorgem | sbalukoff: correct | 20:15 |
| sbalukoff | On this front, if y'all have insights that are not obvious, or know of things we will need to do that are not presently covered in a blueprint, please let me know! | 20:16 |
| sbalukoff | (Outside of this meeting) | 20:16 |
| xgerman | ok, we should probably define what end-to-end mean | 20:16 |
| xgerman | you want to use the neutron/open stack client create?? | 20:17 |
| blogan | end-to-end to me means octavia api request spins up a vm with haproxy loaded that can accept traffic and load balance | 20:17 |
| xgerman | so no neutron lbaas integration? | 20:17 |
| blogan | no | 20:17 |
| blogan | just using the octavia api | 20:17 |
| dougwig | I'll write a quick neutron driver. | 20:18 |
| xgerman | thanks dougwig | 20:18 |
| sbalukoff | #action dougwig to write a quick Neutron driver for Octavia | 20:18 |
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| blogan | hes good at writing drivers | 20:18 |
| sbalukoff | Indeed! | 20:18 |
| bedis | (in .rb) | 20:18 |
| sbalukoff | HAHA | 20:18 |
| barclaac | Quick and neutron in the same sentance. Cool! | 20:18 |
| rm_work | T_T | 20:18 |
| dougwig | Yes yes in rb!! | 20:19 |
| blogan | he should have said neutron-lbaas | 20:19 |
| blogan | bedis dont encourage dougwig | 20:19 |
| bedis | I'm challenging him | 20:19 |
| sbalukoff | Ok, anyway, I just wanted to get that out there, and let you know where my intentions lie for the next few weeks-- we're so close, I feel like we should be able to have an alpha pretty quickly. | 20:19 |
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| sbalukoff | (Obviously, the Neutron LBaaS meet-up is in those next few weeks-- and that work will take priority then, of course.) | 20:20 |
| sbalukoff | Ok, next topic; | 20:20 |
| sbalukoff | #topic Summit talk proposals | 20:20 |
| xgerman | well, next end-to-end question: Our goal is devstack? | 20:20 |
| sbalukoff | xgerman: Not necessarily. | 20:20 |
| blogan | it would be a nice to have | 20:20 |
| xgerman | glad I asked :-) | 20:20 |
| jorgem | blogan: true dat | 20:20 |
| blogan | but its not end to end to me | 20:21 |
| sbalukoff | jorgem: Did you have any particular summit talk proposals in mind? | 20:21 |
| jorgem | Well... | 20:21 |
| jorgem | since we spoke in Paris I was wondering what kind of talk WOULD make sense for Vancouver | 20:21 |
| dougwig | I want to submit another version of what we did in Paris | 20:21 |
| jorgem | I wanted to get some thoughts on that | 20:21 |
| a2hill | >< | 20:21 |
| blogan | dougwig: for neutron-lbaas? | 20:22 |
| jorgem | dougwig: Should it be more Octavia based this time? | 20:22 |
| dougwig | Yes, but we could bundle in the mew reference, Octavia | 20:22 |
| dougwig | New | 20:22 |
| sbalukoff | I think it makes sense to have a Neutron LBaaS v2 talk in any case. I also think Octavia should be at a state where we can show people "Look! It does stuff!" | 20:22 |
| xgerman | well, we can have two talks -- espeically if we announce Octavia .5 there | 20:22 |
| dougwig | On phone and walking | 20:22 |
| sbalukoff | dougwig: Hell yeah! | 20:23 |
| dougwig | I'd like to demo DSL and Octavia. Could be 2 | 20:23 |
| blogan | dsl? | 20:23 |
| dougwig | Ssl | 20:23 |
| blogan | ohh | 20:23 |
| sbalukoff | Agreed. | 20:23 |
| blogan | you mean tls | 20:23 |
| dougwig | Dya | 20:23 |
| jorgem | Cable modems? | 20:23 |
| sbalukoff | HAHA | 20:23 |
| xgerman | sounds like udp load balancing | 20:23 |
| bedis | how to LB modems with HAProxy :) | 20:23 |
| a2hill | ;p | 20:24 |
| bedis | haproxy.rb :) | 20:24 |
| bedis | of course | 20:24 |
| a2hill | >< | 20:24 |
| sbalukoff | XD | 20:24 |
| jorgem | okay so two talk proposals then. On on Neutron LBaaS and one on Octavia? | 20:24 |
| jorgem | One* | 20:24 |
| blogan | the only person stopping us from udp load balancing is bedis | 20:24 |
| xgerman | jorgem +1 | 20:24 |
| sbalukoff | I guess part of the reason to discuss this in this group is to collaborate between our companies on who is going to be giving these talks, right? | 20:24 |
| jorgem | sbalukoff: that would be nice | 20:25 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:25 |
| sbalukoff | Well, I'm game for helping out with both of those talks. :D | 20:25 |
| blogan | i figure dougwig and i will be doing a neutron-lbaas talk | 20:25 |
| jorgem | I'm planning on going this time around and I love speaking :) | 20:25 |
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| sbalukoff | (Especially since I somehow ended up on stage even though I wasn't a speaker last time.) | 20:25 |
| sbalukoff | (Again, I'm a jerk) | 20:25 |
| xgerman | I went up there, too | 20:25 |
| jorgem | Who would like to talk? | 20:25 |
| sbalukoff | Indeed! | 20:26 |
| xgerman | me | 20:26 |
| rm_work | i doubt i'll go to this one, again | 20:26 |
| jorgem | Let's get names and then split up talks? | 20:26 |
| blogan | vivek somehow ended up on stage and we hadn't talked to him prior ot that | 20:26 |
| xgerman | he did the best demo there though! | 20:26 |
| jorgem | Somehow blogan got on stage | 20:26 |
| sbalukoff | Haha! True! | 20:26 |
| rm_work | since if blogan and jorgem are going, they probably won't send a third, and i don't want to push my luck since i REALLY want to go to Tokyo | 20:26 |
| a2hill | I want to try again, but others may want to hang me or themselves before letting me do it again | 20:26 |
| johnsom | me as well | 20:26 |
| a2hill | i would love to do one in Tokyo | 20:26 |
| a2hill | :D | 20:27 |
| sbalukoff | Vancouver is practically in our back yard. Expect a lot of Blue Box people there. | 20:27 |
| xgerman | same for HP Cloud | 20:27 |
| sbalukoff | Yep! | 20:27 |
| sbalukoff | Ok, I would definitely like to talk, it sounds like german would, as well as jorgem and blogan. | 20:27 |
| sbalukoff | And dougwig, right? | 20:27 |
| xgerman | + johnsom | 20:27 |
| sbalukoff | Ok, perhaps we can take it offline to refine the talk ideas and who is probably most appropriate to be speaking for which? | 20:28 |
| blogan | well ill definitely do a neutron-lbaas one but if a lot want to do octavia i dont ahve to do that one | 20:28 |
| sbalukoff | (Though we are doing well on time here-- we could continue to discuss this here.) | 20:28 |
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| sbalukoff | It probably makes sense for me to do the Octavia one. | 20:28 |
| xgerman | yep | 20:28 |
| xgerman | after all you are the PTL :-) | 20:29 |
| sbalukoff | Until y'all rise up in a bloody coup. | 20:29 |
| sbalukoff | ;) | 20:29 |
| sbalukoff | (Or, you know, we do an actual PTL election.) | 20:29 |
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| xgerman | ok, two talks lots of people | 20:30 |
| jorgem | so so far 4 people would like to talk? | 20:31 |
| xgerman | I counted 6 | 20:31 |
| sbalukoff | I count 6 with dougwig and johnsom | 20:31 |
| jorgem | ah yes didn't see those lines | 20:31 |
| johnsom | Man no respect, no respect at all... | 20:31 |
| jorgem | lol | 20:31 |
| sbalukoff | HAHA | 20:31 |
| blogan | johnsom should change his name to dangerfielr | 20:31 |
| sbalukoff | XD | 20:31 |
| jorgem | we will most likely ad several people during the talk anyways | 20:32 |
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| sbalukoff | Yup. | 20:32 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:32 |
| jorgem | add* gosh I can't type today | 20:32 |
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| xgerman | we are fond of calling people on stage for a demo | 20:32 |
| sbalukoff | Does it make sense to have separate talks in Neutron LBaaS land for: v2, and TLS? | 20:32 |
| sbalukoff | (ie. three talk ideas?) | 20:32 |
| dougwig | I don't think so | 20:33 |
| jorgem | sbalukoff: I'm going with not really | 20:33 |
| blogan | well i would say no if we were guaranteed to get both accepted | 20:33 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:33 |
| xgerman | two talsk areenough | 20:33 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: That was what I was getting at. | 20:33 |
| blogan | yeah but octavia getting accepted is probably low | 20:33 |
| xgerman | sadly, you are right | 20:33 |
| sbalukoff | Though I suppose more proposals is just likely to dillute th vote. | 20:33 |
| blogan | since the masses dont know much about it | 20:33 |
| sbalukoff | the. | 20:33 |
| dougwig | Openstack has many pieces, and limited talk slots. Lbaas isn't that huge to anyone but us to warrant half a dozen talks. | 20:33 |
| xgerman | we should have a whole track | 20:34 |
| sbalukoff | dougwig: You're right. | 20:34 |
| jorgem | Let's call it "Neutron LBaaS Drivers" and then only talk about Octavia :) | 20:34 |
| sbalukoff | XD | 20:34 |
| sbalukoff | And A10, right? | 20:34 |
| sbalukoff | *That* won't piss any vendors off at all. | 20:34 |
| dougwig | I still think that a neutron lbaas plus Octavia, with demos, would make a very focused 40 minutes. | 20:34 |
| bedis | add a "pr0n" keyword inside ;) | 20:34 |
| sbalukoff | dougwig: A very full 40 minutes. | 20:34 |
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| sbalukoff | Especially if "with demos" happens. | 20:34 |
| blogan | dougwig: yeah we sped through the neutorn lbaas talk in paris and had way too much time at the end | 20:34 |
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| dougwig | We only used 30 last time, with an ad hoc demo. | 20:35 |
| rm_work | yeah because ya'll talked SUPER fast | 20:35 |
| xgerman | but now you could demo v2 calls | 20:35 |
| rm_work | slow it down :P | 20:35 |
| sbalukoff | Aah, that's right. | 20:35 |
| sbalukoff | That, too. | 20:35 |
| bedis | fail the demo | 20:35 |
| bedis | then fix it | 20:35 |
| dougwig | Each demo is about 5 minutes. 15 minutes to talk about lbaas and split, 15 minutes for an Octavia diagram and overview? | 20:36 |
| sbalukoff | jorgem: Do you want to coordinate the talk proposals? | 20:36 |
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| xgerman | well, it seems there is only one | 20:36 |
| xgerman | can we have 6+ people in one talk? | 20:36 |
| xgerman | or does OpenStack limit us? | 20:37 |
| bedis | hard :/ | 20:37 |
| TrevorV | xgerman isn't that just a panel then? | 20:37 |
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| dougwig | Lightning mode. We had four last time. | 20:37 |
| xgerman | yep | 20:37 |
| sbalukoff | I doubt they'd give us all speaker credit. | 20:37 |
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| sbalukoff | But if most of us have ATC anyway... what's the harm? | 20:37 |
| blogan | xgerman doesnt | 20:37 |
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| jorgem | sbalukoff: Are we saying 1 or 2 talks? | 20:37 |
| sbalukoff | xgerman: Get on that, yo! | 20:38 |
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| jorgem | I say 2 to hedge our bets | 20:38 |
| xgerman | yep, dougwig let me down some hollow path | 20:38 |
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| blogan | i think we should go with two proposal, one neutorn lbaas and one octavia, if octavia gets accepted then neutorn lbaas has enough material to just mention octavia | 20:38 |
| dougwig | Let's find out what the submission allows, then figure it out | 20:38 |
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| sbalukoff | It sounds like we could do one-- but I think I'd like to do two. I think we could do one just on Octavia and have more than enough to talk about for 40 minutes. | 20:38 |
| dougwig | xgerman: we will still get that in | 20:38 |
| jorgem | alright I'll check in on that | 20:38 |
| blogan | if octavia doesn't neutorn lbaas can expand on octavia | 20:38 |
| rm_work | yeah | 20:38 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: +1 | 20:38 |
| dougwig | Fine by me. I can coordinate the neutron talk? | 20:39 |
| xgerman | blogan +1 | 20:39 |
| jorgem | #action jorgem to check on speaker limit | 20:39 |
| sbalukoff | dougwig: Sounds good. | 20:39 |
| jorgem | sbalukoff: I think you need to give me the action item | 20:39 |
| blogan | dougwig: go | 20:39 |
| xgerman | also RAX can always rent a suite so we can give more talsk ;-) | 20:39 |
| sbalukoff | #action: jorgem to check on speaker limit | 20:39 |
| blogan | xgerman: HP better have an amazing party | 20:39 |
| sbalukoff | #action: dougwig to coordinate on Neutron LBaaS talk. | 20:39 |
| sbalukoff | HAHA | 20:39 |
| xgerman | lol | 20:39 |
| sbalukoff | jorgem: Did you want to coordinate on the Octavia talk, or leave that to me? | 20:40 |
| dougwig | The bar is set | 20:40 |
| sbalukoff | I will be very surprised if that bar gets even closely approached for a long time. | 20:40 |
| jorgem | sbalukoff: I guess you can. I'd just like to participate in the speaking. But I can work with you on the outline | 20:40 |
| sbalukoff | Epic doesn't even begin to describe that party. | 20:40 |
| sbalukoff | jorgem: Sounds good! | 20:40 |
| sbalukoff | #action: sbalukoff to coordinate on Octavia talk. | 20:40 |
| sbalukoff | Ok! | 20:40 |
| sbalukoff | Moving on... | 20:41 |
| sbalukoff | #topic Open Discussion | 20:41 |
| sbalukoff | Er... anyone have anything they'd like to discuss in the group here? | 20:41 |
| TrevorV | I have a question for anyone! Does anyone have any knowledge of "responses", a library used to mock the "requests" library? | 20:41 |
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| blogan | nope | 20:41 |
| xgerman | nope | 20:41 |
| jorgem | nope | 20:41 |
| a2hill | nope | 20:42 |
| sbalukoff | I do. | 20:42 |
| sbalukoff | Just kidding. I don't | 20:42 |
| jorgem | heyo! | 20:42 |
| jorgem | lol | 20:42 |
| xgerman | I usually used mock | 20:42 |
| a2hill | lel | 20:42 |
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| TrevorV | xgerman responses seems to make it really really simple | 20:42 |
| rm_work | hmm | 20:42 |
| xgerman | yeah, go for it :-) | 20:42 |
| rm_work | no idea | 20:43 |
| bedis | just to let you know I should come to San Antonio meetup | 20:43 |
| sbalukoff | TrevorV: Yep! Give it a shot. | 20:43 |
| sbalukoff | bedis: Excellent! | 20:43 |
| TrevorV | Oh I wasn't looking for permission ha ha, I was wondering if someone could be a source of a question or two :D | 20:43 |
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| blogan | permission will be rejected with a -2 | 20:43 |
| sbalukoff | :) | 20:43 |
| xgerman | bedis: awesome! | 20:43 |
| sbalukoff | Ok, anyone have anything else they'd like to ask or discuss? | 20:44 |
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| xgerman | it's a wrap | 20:44 |
| a2hill | \0 | 20:44 |
| sbalukoff | Ok, folks! Looks like we're done for today. Thanks, y'all! | 20:44 |
| xgerman | o/ | 20:45 |
| sbalukoff | #endmeeting | 20:45 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 14 20:45:03 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-01-14-20.00.html | 20:45 |
| blogan | bye everyone | 20:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-01-14-20.00.txt | 20:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-01-14-20.00.log.html | 20:45 |
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| TrevorV | o/ | 20:46 |
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