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| sgordon | #startmeeting telcowg | 14:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 17 14:01:23 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sgordon. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: telcowg)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'telcowg' | 14:01 |
| sgordon | #topic roll call | 14:01 |
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| amitry | good morning | 14:01 |
| smazziotta | Hi | 14:01 |
| sgordon | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nfv-meeting-agenda | 14:01 |
| sgordon | hi all | 14:01 |
| cloudon | hi | 14:02 |
| sgordon | anyone else here for the telco working group? | 14:02 |
| sgordon | hi cloudon | 14:02 |
| smazziotta | hi | 14:02 |
| sgordon | hi amitry, smazziotta | 14:02 |
| sgordon | mkoderer, are you around? | 14:02 |
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| sgordon | #topic Meeting Times for holiday period | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Meeting Times for holiday period (Meeting topic: telcowg)" | 14:02 | |
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| sgordon | just to formalize something i proposed in the email reminder for this meeting | 14:03 |
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| sgordon | the next meetings would fall on Dec 24 and 31 | 14:03 |
| sgordon | i propose that we dont meet on those dates, making the next meeting jan 7 | 14:03 |
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| sgordon | due to many people being out on holidays over this period | 14:03 |
| sgordon | any objections? | 14:03 |
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| smazziot | +1 | 14:04 |
| cloudon | fine by me | 14:04 |
| sgordon | #info No meeting December 24th and 31st, next meeting will be January 7th 2014. | 14:04 |
| sgordon | #topic Actions from last week | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from last week (Meeting topic: telcowg)" | 14:04 | |
| sgordon | so i will work backwards on these | 14:04 |
| sgordon | #info sgordon_ was to attempt to frame an email to OPNFV tech lists highlighting the concern jaypipes raised wrt to alignment w/ openstack | 14:05 |
| sgordon | #link http://lists.opnfv.org/pipermail/opnfv-tsc/2014-December/000387.html | 14:05 |
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| sgordon | i reached out to chris wright who is working with chris price on the OPNFV side | 14:06 |
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| sgordon | i believe the proposal is for jay and russell to present to the OPNFV technical committee on how to ideally interact with the openstack community | 14:07 |
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| smazziot | yep. this is my understanding as well | 14:07 |
| jaypipes | sgordon: we've kicked off an email thread between cdub, chris from ericsson, me and russellb | 14:07 |
| * beagles wanders in late | 14:07 | |
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| sgordon | #info Russell and Jay have been invited to present to the OPNFV TSC on interacting with the OpenStack community successfully | 14:07 |
| jaypipes | sgordon: we'll be attending the first OPNFV TSC session in January to help them figure out the OpenStack community and reduce duplication | 14:07 |
| sgordon | jaypipes, thanks for that | 14:07 |
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| jaypipes | pas de probleme | 14:08 |
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| ybabenko | hi | 14:08 |
| sgordon | i had sent a couple of areas of concern to chris w just to highlight the issue | 14:08 |
| jaypipes | cool. | 14:08 |
| sgordon | but i think this is the best way forward :) | 14:08 |
| jaypipes | agreed. just need to start collab early and often. | 14:08 |
| jaypipes | make sure there's no rabbit holes or duplicated work. | 14:09 |
| sgordon | yes, not just dev side either | 14:09 |
| sgordon | some overlap i am seeing with operators projects | 14:09 |
| sgordon | (e.g. logging) | 14:09 |
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| sgordon | ok | 14:09 |
| sgordon | next ai from last week | 14:09 |
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| sgordon | #info mkoderer and DaSchab were to work on security segregation (dmz/mz concept), VNF instantiation and seperation of Infra/App Orchestration use case | 14:10 |
| sgordon | mkoderer, DaSchab were you able to make any progress on this? | 14:10 |
| sgordon | is there anything we can do to help? | 14:10 |
| DaSchab | we started to write it down.... | 14:10 |
| DaSchab | but it's holiday season sorry :-( | 14:10 |
| sgordon | ack | 14:11 |
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| sgordon | #info DaSchab notes some progress on writing up these use cases but delayed due to holiday season | 14:11 |
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| sgordon | DaSchab, any chance that what you have could be put in the wiki as a draft? | 14:11 |
| DaSchab | hopefully by the end of this week | 14:12 |
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| sgordon | #action DaSchab aiming to get initial draft on wiki by end of next week | 14:12 |
| sgordon | DaSchab, ok we can revisit | 14:12 |
| sgordon | i dont see rprakash here | 14:13 |
| sgordon | so i will carry that AI over | 14:13 |
| sgordon | #action rprakash adding Mobile Network use case for GTP tunneling and will bring it next week | 14:13 |
| sgordon | #topic Use Cases | 14:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Use Cases (Meeting topic: telcowg)" | 14:13 | |
| sgordon | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TelcoWorkingGroup/UseCases | 14:14 |
| sgordon | so we do not have anything new here as far as i can see from last week | 14:14 |
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| sgordon | aveiga's suggestion previously was that we pick a use case each week to try and examine | 14:14 |
| sgordon | with a view to ultimately extracting requirements from it | 14:14 |
| DaSchab | +1 | 14:14 |
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| ybabenko | agree | 14:15 |
| aveiga | sgordon: want to start going over use cases in January as scheduled topics then? | 14:15 |
| sgordon | #info current use cases listed are VPN Instantiation, Session Border Controller, Virtual IMS Core, Access to physical network resources | 14:15 |
| sgordon | aveiga, yeah | 14:15 |
| ybabenko | seems like VPN as a service can be the first one? | 14:15 |
| sgordon | what i would like to gauge is whether there is a feeling for priorities | 14:15 |
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| sgordon | or rather, enthusiasm for tackling any particular one first | 14:16 |
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| sgordon | ybabenko, that is really just the order they happen to be listed in | 14:16 |
| sgordon | ybabenko, not an indication of priority at this time | 14:16 |
| ybabenko | would be helpful to see consensus from operators side? where is the biggest pain? | 14:16 |
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| sgordon | ybabenko, agree | 14:17 |
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| amitry | do we want biggest pain or quick wins? | 14:18 |
| sgordon | good question | 14:18 |
| aveiga | this is for analysis | 14:18 |
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| sgordon | to me "Access to physical network resources" looks like the quickest win | 14:18 |
| sgordon | on face value | 14:18 |
| aveiga | I don't think we'll know how long it takes until we go over the gaps | 14:18 |
| smazziot | I would have preferred a use case more challenging on the data plane | 14:18 |
| ybabenko | so from our side we could offer to work on service function chaining out of openstack | 14:18 |
| sgordon | smazziot, e.g. vCPE? | 14:18 |
| ybabenko | this seems to be a huge open gap at the moment | 14:18 |
| smazziot | yep | 14:18 |
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| sgordon | #info do we want to address biggest pain or quick wins for analysis? | 14:19 |
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| DaSchab | service chaining is also not described as an use-case yet | 14:19 |
| sgordon | #info current use cases do not present a challenge on data plane side (perhaps need to solicit vCPE use case?) | 14:20 |
| sgordon | DaSchab, right | 14:20 |
| ybabenko | DaSchab: we could offer the first draft for SFC | 14:20 |
| sgordon | and i think this is one where a use case is really important | 14:20 |
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| sgordon | because everyone wants to work on service chaining but not everyone has the same idea of how they need it to work | 14:20 |
| sgordon | use cases need to drive that | 14:20 |
| DaSchab | rigth | 14:20 |
| DaSchab | right | 14:21 |
| ybabenko | we can offer to do the first draft for the next meeting | 14:21 |
| smazziot | I would also state that the challenge we see is non only on the use case itself but on underlying techno (SR-IOV vs OVS-DPDK for instance) | 14:21 |
| adrian-hoban | Is this the relevant #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/93524 for SFC? | 14:21 |
| sgordon | #action ybabenko to draft a service chaining use case for future discussion | 14:21 |
| smazziot | +1 for SFV | 14:22 |
| smazziot | SFC | 14:22 |
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| sgordon | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/93524 | 14:22 |
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| DaSchab | btw... when will be the next meeting? | 14:23 |
| DaSchab | just asking due to xmas season | 14:23 |
| sgordon | adrian-hoban, did anyone re-propose that for kilo? | 14:23 |
| sgordon | DaSchab, January 7th | 14:23 |
| sgordon | we discussed before you came in :) | 14:24 |
| DaSchab | sorry! | 14:24 |
| sgordon | i figured 24th/31st were probably going to be very low turnout | 14:24 |
| sgordon | ;) | 14:24 |
| ybabenko | adrian-hoban: thanks for link / not familiar with that | 14:24 |
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| sgordon | adrian-hoban, just looking at associated patches https://review.openstack.org/#/c/117671/ looks like it moved to Group Based Policy? | 14:25 |
| adrian-hoban_ | sgordon: Yes, it moved to GBP | 14:25 |
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| sgordon | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/group-based-policy/+spec/group-based-policy-service-chaining | 14:25 |
| sgordon | ybabenko, that is probably the one you want to look at ^ | 14:25 |
| sgordon | for the more up to date submissions | 14:26 |
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| sgordon | ok | 14:26 |
| ybabenko | sgordon: gotcha thanks | 14:26 |
| sgordon | #action sgordon to send email to kick off discussion about which use case to pick for next meeting | 14:27 |
| sgordon | mkoderer, are you around to talk orchestration use cases? | 14:27 |
| ybabenko | sgordon: mark is not in the call today as off for the holidays | 14:28 |
| sgordon | ok | 14:28 |
| sgordon | #topic Design and Implementation | 14:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Design and Implementation (Meeting topic: telcowg)" | 14:28 | |
| sgordon | so still tracking some stuff that was originally proposed under the model we were using last cycle | 14:28 |
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| sgordon | #topic Design and Implementation - VLAN trunking | 14:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Design and Implementation - VLAN trunking (Meeting topic: telcowg)" | 14:29 | |
| sgordon | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136554/ | 14:29 |
| sgordon | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/nfv-vlan-trunks | 14:29 |
| sgordon | #link http://docs-draft.openstack.org/54/136554/3/check//gate-neutron-specs-docs/f4bea33//doc/build/html/specs/kilo/nfv-vlan-trunks.html | 14:29 |
| sgordon | ijw has updated his spec for exposing whether or not VLAN trunking is supported by the mech driver in use | 14:29 |
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| ijw | he has. | 14:29 |
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| ijw | Also the one for MTU. | 14:29 |
| sgordon | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105989/ | 14:30 |
| sgordon | for the MTU change proposal ^ | 14:30 |
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| ybabenko | MTU must support jumbo frames | 14:30 |
| sgordon | #info need reviews on VLAN trunking spec ( https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136554/ ) and MTU selection and advertisement spec ( https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105989/ ) | 14:30 |
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| ybabenko | there are some use-cases like carrier grade ethernet services which need jumbo | 14:31 |
| sgordon | ybabenko, i would encourage you to read / review the spec and provide feedback there | 14:31 |
| ijw | jaypipes: you should talk to me about opnfv and duplicate efforts, btw | 14:31 |
| aveiga | ybabenko: I'll throw my hat in. There are other use cases for jumbo frames as well, like video transport :) | 14:31 |
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| jaypipes | ijw: absolutely, I'd be happy to. :) | 14:32 |
| ybabenko | aveiga: >) | 14:32 |
| ijw | -> #openstack-dev, after | 14:32 |
| sgordon | if i recall correctly ijw jumbo frames was one of the scenarios you endeavored to include in that spec? | 14:32 |
| ybabenko | sgordon: I am happy do that - so we are speaking about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105989/ ? | 14:32 |
| ijw | Indeed - it's nondiscriminatory as to frame size | 14:32 |
| sgordon | ybabenko, yes | 14:32 |
| sgordon | ijw, right - exactly as i thought | 14:32 |
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| sgordon | aveiga, i would encourage you to take a look at that one as well then and confirm whether it meets your needs :) | 14:33 |
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| aveiga | sgordon: you got it | 14:33 |
| ijw | What it doesn't really do is explain how to set jumbo frames up. A cloud has them or it doesn't and there's not much you can do about that at the API. What it does is let you tell if your app is going to run, and where the networking is capable of adapting, you can tell the driver what you want. | 14:34 |
| sgordon | #topic Design and Implementation - ML2 port security extension | 14:34 |
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| sgordon | #undo | 14:34 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Topic object at 0x3dc85d0> | 14:34 |
| aveiga | ijw: we need a bug filed against current MTU selection in both Nova and Neutron | 14:34 |
| aveiga | VIF selection isn't respecting MTU, and sometimes the network side isn't either | 14:34 |
| ijw | aveiga: fine with me, reference the spec, which you will obviously +1 | 14:34 |
| aveiga | I know the option is there, but it's not reliably doing anything | 14:35 |
| sgordon | #info MTU selection and advertisement spec covers telling you if your app is going to run, and where the networking is capable of adapting you can tell it which driver you want. It does not explain how to set jumbo frames up - a cloud has them or it doesn't and there is limited ability to do anything about this at the API level. | 14:35 |
| ijw | aveiga: there are two config parameters and neither does what you would expect | 14:35 |
| ybabenko | sgordon: sorry for stupid q but where is the blueprint itself for MTU topic / i see only the code | 14:35 |
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| ijw | ybabenko: read 'the code' - it's a document describing the change | 14:35 |
| sgordon | ybabenko, the code in this case is the RST file which is the full specification | 14:35 |
| sgordon | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105989/6/specs/kilo/mtu-selection-and-advertisement.rst | 14:35 |
| aveiga | sgordon: for specs, maybe we ought to link the rendered build in this forum? | 14:36 |
| ijw | aveiga: problem is you can't comment on the rendered build | 14:36 |
| sgordon | http://docs-draft.openstack.org/89/105989/6/check//gate-neutron-specs-docs/9169e72//doc/build/html/specs/kilo/mtu-selection-and-advertisement.html | 14:36 |
| aveiga | ah, true | 14:36 |
| sgordon | yeah | 14:36 |
| sgordon | perhaps an education thing for me though | 14:36 |
| ybabenko | ijw: we are doing our best ))))) | 14:36 |
| ybabenko | sgordon: OK. appreciate | 14:37 |
| sgordon | wiki page on reviewing specs for new people if one doesnt already exist | 14:37 |
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| sgordon | ok, couple of others to cover quickly | 14:37 |
| sgordon | #topic Design and Implementation - ML2 port security extension | 14:37 |
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| sgordon | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/99873/ | 14:37 |
| sgordon | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/ml2-ovs-portsecurity | 14:37 |
| sgordon | #link http://docs-draft.openstack.org/73/99873/14/check/gate-neutron-specs-docs/42051c8/doc/build/html/specs/kilo/ml2-ovs-portsecurity.html | 14:38 |
| ijw | Looks good to me, but someone else must approve | 14:38 |
| sgordon | so, this has an awful lot of +1s | 14:38 |
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| sgordon | but needs some core attention | 14:38 |
| ijw | More to the point, they've noticed that it's not really OVS-specific, which means that it works with LB implementations too (which is useful if you happen to like VLANs) | 14:38 |
| sgordon | lol | 14:38 |
| sgordon | yes | 14:38 |
| sgordon | #info needs neutron core reviewer input | 14:39 |
| ijw | driver, not core reviewer | 14:39 |
| ybabenko | so is it mainly L2 port security? | 14:39 |
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| ijw | L2 and L3 (security group) | 14:39 |
| ijw | It just allows it to be wholesale turned off | 14:40 |
| aveiga | it's l3 security on an l2 access layer, yes? | 14:40 |
| sgordon | ijw, ahh yes | 14:40 |
| sgordon | #undo | 14:40 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Info object at 0x3c44fd0> | 14:40 |
| sgordon | #info needs neutron driver input | 14:40 |
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| sgordon | ok i am going to skip large pages and cpu pinning and come back if we get time | 14:42 |
| sgordon | #topic Design and Implementation - I/O based scheduling | 14:42 |
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| sgordon | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/input-output-based-numa-scheduling,n,z | 14:42 |
| sgordon | this is up for code review | 14:43 |
| sgordon | adrian-hoban_, i believe this needs to be iterated on based on the current read out? | 14:43 |
| sgordon | pczesno, im assuming you are working on this | 14:43 |
| sgordon | :) | 14:43 |
| pczesno | hi | 14:44 |
| pczesno | i'm currently reworking few things, code will be up for review by the end of this week | 14:45 |
| sgordon | #info pczesno working on updates, will re-propose by end of week | 14:45 |
| sgordon | thanks! | 14:45 |
| sgordon | #topic Design and Implementation - Pluggable VIF driver | 14:46 |
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| sgordon | there has been a lot of interest in the past in having the ability to plug the VIF driver, this was removed (intentionally) in the not to distant past | 14:46 |
| sgordon | i wanted to draw attention to some recent discussion in this area though | 14:46 |
| sgordon | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-December/052509.html | 14:46 |
| sgordon | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-December/052838.html | 14:47 |
| irenab | sgordon: this was rejected by nova core team | 14:47 |
| sgordon | irenab, yes - we know | 14:47 |
| ijw | So the issue seems to have two components, in fact | 14:47 |
| sgordon | irenab, im referring to the more recent discussion | 14:48 |
| ijw | One is that there's contingent of people who would just like to tidy it up to remove some of the crap that happens on the Nova side to support plugging | 14:48 |
| sgordon | irenab, about potentially enhancing the VIF mechanism such that e.g. we don't need completely duplicated VIF plugins for everything that wants to use e.g. vhost-user in a slightly different way | 14:48 |
| ijw | The other is that there are people wanting newer, different VIF drivers and the Nova guys don't like to put them in until they're certain they're being tested by something | 14:48 |
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| irenab | sgordon: yes, the script option | 14:49 |
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| sgordon | so i believe out of that maxime was going to attempt to repropose something based on dan's idea | 14:50 |
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| sgordon | not sure how this will end up meshing with proposal deadline etc. for kilo...i haven't seen it yet | 14:50 |
| sgordon | but just wanted to highlight | 14:50 |
| ijw | I'm not a massive fan of the proposal but it would solve the immediate problems | 14:51 |
| ijw | Also, the discussion is always very KVM-centric | 14:51 |
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| smazziot | ijw: do you have an alternative in mind ? | 14:52 |
| sgordon | ijw, indeed, though usually openly on the mailing list - do other hypervisors just not care? | 14:52 |
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| ijw | sgordon: I think most users use KVM, but in particular I wonder about Ironic | 14:53 |
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| ybabenko | ijw: +1 | 14:53 |
| sgordon | #info How does VIF proposal work with regards to Ironic? | 14:54 |
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| ijw | I put a spec together that was related to Ryota's but somewhat similified what he'd put together and addressed another point: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/141791/ | 14:54 |
| ijw | Obviously not going anywhere right now, but it was more a matter of writing it down | 14:55 |
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| sgordon | RIGHT | 14:55 |
| sgordon | -caps | 14:55 |
| sgordon | i think that is the longer term solution to a lot of this | 14:55 |
| ijw | The strong opinion is that Nova should be ignorant of networking beyond being able to get an attachment it can use, so that expands the plugging interaction into a proper negotiation as opposed to the current situation where neutron has magical knowledge of what works for Nova | 14:56 |
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| sgordon | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/141791/ | 14:56 |
| sgordon | thanks for that | 14:56 |
| sgordon | #topic other business | 14:56 |
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| sgordon | we have around 4 mins left, does anyone have something else they would like to raise today? | 14:57 |
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| gcossu | what about qos? | 14:57 |
| sgordon | gcossu, indeed - what about qos? | 14:58 |
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| sgordon | (that is, what do you want to cover?) | 14:58 |
| ybabenko | yep what about it! | 14:58 |
| ybabenko | we need it!!! | 14:58 |
| sgordon | ok | 14:58 |
| ybabenko | QoS configuration in vswitch out of openstack ? | 14:58 |
| sgordon | any volunteers to nail down use cases more concretely? | 14:58 |
| ybabenko | L2 / L3 QoS paramtertisation | 14:58 |
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| aveiga | ybabenko: the question is, what do you need (QoS is a lot of things) and does it go here or elsewhere? | 14:59 |
| sgordon | (noting that there are of course some existing proposals in this space) | 14:59 |
| ybabenko | DSCP, p-bits, policing. ... | 14:59 |
| aveiga | I'll second that then, as we've been carrying internal patches for DSCP for a long time | 14:59 |
| aveiga | I hear it's a sore subject though… | 14:59 |
| sgordon | the fact that the first hits you get for it usually have quantum in the name should be an indicator | 15:00 |
| irenab | QoS is not in neutron priority for Kilo | 15:00 |
| sgordon | right | 15:00 |
| ybabenko | we work on the topic of QoS and will be interested to work on this topic | 15:00 |
| sgordon | i think they key for this group would be defining use cases/needs | 15:00 |
| sgordon | so that it can potentially be a priority for L | 15:00 |
| ybabenko | maybe we will try to write a few things before the next meeting | 15:00 |
| aveiga | sgordon: give me an AI for that | 15:00 |
| adrian-hoban_ | irenab had proposed a QoS type feature for SR-IOV ports, but with QoS not on the Neutron priorities list, it is not going to land in Kilo | 15:01 |
| * sgordon aveiga to define use case/needs for QoS | 15:01 | |
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| ybabenko | aveiga: missing QoS features ouf of OpenStack | 15:01 |
| sgordon | adrian-hoban_, +1 | 15:01 |
| sgordon | ok i think we're over | 15:01 |
| sgordon | (time that is) | 15:01 |
| gcossu | yes, regarding the blueprint already present. I would like to contribute. We need use cases requirements | 15:01 |
| sgordon | happy to keep chatting in #openstack-nfv | 15:01 |
| sgordon | thanks all! | 15:01 |
| sgordon | #endmeeting | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 17 15:01:42 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2014/telcowg.2014-12-17-14.01.html | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2014/telcowg.2014-12-17-14.01.txt | 15:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2014/telcowg.2014-12-17-14.01.log.html | 15:01 |
| adrian-hoban_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/139859/ | 15:01 |
| smazziot | sgordon: thanks for MC | 15:01 |
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| ijw | jaypipes: find me in #openstack-nfv ta | 15:01 |
| imendel | tnx | 15:01 |
| Swami | hi | 15:02 |
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| DaSchab | bye | 15:02 |
| Swami | #startmeeting distributed-virtual-router | 15:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 17 15:02:19 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Swami. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: distributed-virtual-router)" | 15:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'distributed_virtual_router' | 15:02 |
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| Swami | carl_baldwin: hi | 15:02 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: hi | 15:03 |
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| Swami | #topic Agenda | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Agenda (Meeting topic: distributed-virtual-router)" | 15:03 | |
| Swami | 1. DVR Update | 15:03 |
| Swami | 2. Functional Test Update | 15:04 |
| Swami | 3. Doc Update | 15:04 |
| Swami | 4. Bugs | 15:04 |
| Swami | #topic DVR Update | 15:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "DVR Update (Meeting topic: distributed-virtual-router)" | 15:04 | |
| Swami | DVR team is currently focussed on fixing the existing bugs and the technical debts. | 15:05 |
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| Swami | DVR Migration Update | 15:05 |
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| Swami | This patch was merged early. This migration takes care of migration or conversion of a router from legacy to distributed. | 15:06 |
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| Swami | There is one patch that is yet to merge which is depenedent for the migration. That is the services check for the migration before migrating the rotuers. | 15:06 |
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| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/123273/ | 15:07 |
| Swami | This is still in the review process. | 15:07 |
| Swami | There is minor "nit" comment on it and will address it. | 15:07 |
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| Swami | I think this patch can still go through even with the services-split, it does not directly depend on those changes. | 15:08 |
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| Swami | DVR and L3 HA | 15:08 |
| Swami | mrsmith: in here | 15:08 |
| Swami | mrsmith: ping | 15:08 |
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| Swami | mrsmith is working with amuller and rajeev to fix the DVR and L3 HA issues. | 15:09 |
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| carl_baldwin | Swami: Please feel free to ping me when you’ve addressed feedback on that one. | 15:09 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: sure. | 15:10 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/139686/ | 15:10 |
| * carl_baldwin is overwhealmed trying to follow the progress of many many patches | 15:10 | |
| Swami | Rajeev: do you have any patches up for the hA | 15:11 |
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| Rajeev | Swami: not yet but will be up soon | 15:11 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: I’ll ping mrsmith today about some of the refactoring which I think directly relates to his HA DVR patch. | 15:11 |
| Swami | Rajeev: thanks | 15:11 |
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| Swami | amuller and his team is working on fixing a couple of issues with the l2pop that relates to pre-populating the fdb entries for the active and passive routers. | 15:12 |
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| Swami | that is also work in progress. | 15:12 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/141114/ | 15:13 |
| Swami | DVR and IPv6 | 15:13 |
| Swami | Rajeev: do you want to provide an update on the DVR and IPv6 patches | 15:13 |
| Rajeev | Swami: two tempest tests were introduced for IPv6 | 15:14 |
| Rajeev | that broke the dvr job | 15:14 |
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| Rajeev | there was an IPv6 patch from Xu Han | 15:15 |
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| Rajeev | that addressed the defect | 15:15 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/141297/ | 15:15 |
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| Swami | Rajeev: Could you also update on the patches that you and brian is working on | 15:16 |
| Rajeev | Swami: haleyb is participating in the Ipv6 effort he may have some more to add | 15:17 |
| Rajeev | Swami: yes | 15:17 |
| Rajeev | The patch I am working on is in review and currently waiting for the second +2 | 15:18 |
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| Rajeev | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/134676/ | 15:18 |
| Swami | do you have the link | 15:18 |
| Rajeev | This patch, in combination with haleyb 's patch enables devstack with IPv6 | 15:18 |
| Swami | Rajeev: thanks | 15:19 |
| Swami | DVR manual move patches | 15:19 |
| Swami | There are couple of patches that are being worked on to address the manual binding of routers with the agents. | 15:19 |
| Rajeev | haleyb: patch link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136947/ | 15:19 |
| Swami | Rajeev: thanks | 15:20 |
| Swami | Here are the manual move patches. | 15:20 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/118491/ | 15:20 |
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| Swami | This above patch is waiting for approval for a long time. | 15:20 |
| Swami | Also there is another patch by mrsmith. | 15:21 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/122024/ | 15:21 |
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| Swami | DVR and VLAN support | 15:22 |
| Swami | vivek is working on the vlan support for DVR | 15:22 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/129884/ | 15:22 |
| Swami | This patch is work in progress and vivek is working on. | 15:23 |
| Swami | #topic Functional Test | 15:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Functional Test (Meeting topic: distributed-virtual-router)" | 15:23 | |
| Swami | DVR functional test for the l3 agents was recently written by Adolfo. | 15:24 |
| Swami | He has his patch for review. | 15:24 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138632/ | 15:24 |
| Swami | This patch is review in progress and I see some merge conflicts on this existing patch. | 15:25 |
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| Swami | More functional tests will be added going forward to address the plugin and scheduling. | 15:26 |
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| Swami | #topic Bugs | 15:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: distributed-virtual-router)" | 15:26 | |
| Swami | I did see that there was a new bug today | 15:26 |
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| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1403333 | 15:26 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1403333 in neutron "KeyError: 'gateway_mac' in ovs dvr agent" [Medium,New] | 15:26 |
| Swami | This bug has to be triaged. | 15:27 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1367039 | 15:28 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1367039 in neutron "dvr fips are not handled properly on l3-agent restart" [High,In progress] | 15:28 |
| Swami | The assignee is mrsmith on this bug. | 15:28 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124879/ | 15:29 |
| Swami | This patch has a merge conflict at this time and has to be rebased. I will work with mrsmith to address this. | 15:29 |
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| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1369721 | 15:30 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1369721 in neutron "manually moving dvr-snat router fails" [High,In progress] | 15:30 |
| Swami | We spoke about this manual move patches in the dvr update. These patches are in review right now. | 15:30 |
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| Swami | Next bug is the "multiple external networks" issue with DVR | 15:31 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1374473 | 15:31 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1374473 in neutron "500 error on router-gateway-set for DVR on second external network" [High,Confirmed] | 15:31 |
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| Swami | I am the assignee on this bug and I am yet to post a patch for this bug. I will post it today. | 15:32 |
| Swami | I have a fix for it. | 15:32 |
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| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1394026 | 15:32 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1394026 in neutron "floatingip_agent_gateway port is not deleted on fip disassociate" [High,In progress] | 15:32 |
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| Swami | This bug was fixed and the patch is up for review nearly for a month . | 15:33 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/137247/ | 15:33 |
| Rajeev | Swami: this one even has a +2 | 15:33 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: can you review this patch, it just requires one more +2. | 15:33 |
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| carl_baldwin | Swami: Yes, I will today. | 15:34 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: thanks | 15:35 |
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| rprakash | I will try too after this meeting | 15:35 |
| Swami | The next one is the HA bug and we have discussed about the patches above. | 15:35 |
| carl_baldwin | I will try to get to some of these today. There are a lot of links up there ^^^ :) | 15:35 |
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| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1372141 | 15:36 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1372141 in neutron "StaleDataError while updating ml2_dvr_port_bindings" [Medium,Confirmed] | 15:36 |
| Swami | There is no patch yet for this bug. | 15:36 |
| Swami | The other bug that is in review is the VPNaaS support for DVR. | 15:38 |
| Swami | This patch has to be refactored with the current services split. | 15:38 |
| Swami | I will refactor it once it is ready. | 15:38 |
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| Swami | That's all on the bugs. The other bugs are all currently work in progress. | 15:39 |
| Swami | #topic DVR Documentation update | 15:39 |
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| Swami | The documentation draft for the DVR has been done and will be sent out for review in a week's time. | 15:41 |
| Swami | #link https://github.com/ionosphere80/openstack-networking-guide/blob/master/scenario-dvr/scenario-dvr.md | 15:41 |
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| benwha | does translation for the documentation is already in review or planned ? | 15:42 |
| Swami | At this time the documentation time has all the information required to proceed further. But we as a team should review the document before it is sent out for the broader audience. | 15:42 |
| Rajeev | Swami: I will take a look at the documentation | 15:42 |
| Swami | benwha: what translation are you talking about. | 15:43 |
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| benwha | SWami: I assume there will be some work in translation to do for a futur Neutron documentation nope ? | 15:44 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: The FWaaS east-west spec was given a -2 by mark mcClain and said that it would be moved to a different cycle. | 15:44 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: do you have any input on this. | 15:45 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: Do you have a link handy? | 15:45 |
| Swami | benwha: I will check with the documentation folks on this emagana | 15:45 |
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| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/140222/ | 15:45 |
| emagana | Swami: I am aroud! | 15:45 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: posted the link above for the FWaaS spec | 15:46 |
| emagana | around* | 15:46 |
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| Swami | emagana: there is question about the documetation translation, is that in our plan. | 15:46 |
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| emagana | Swami: Normally that is managed by the Docs team, but first we need to make sure that the documentation created by Matt on the github account is the right one | 15:47 |
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| Swami | emagana: got it thanks | 15:47 |
| emagana | Swami: Once is moved to gerrit, it will get into the pipeline for docs translations | 15:47 |
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| emagana | Swami: N.P. | 15:47 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: I forgot I’ve got to run to work for a 9am meeting. I’ll be offline for a bit. Could you ping me again about the fwaas spec? | 15:47 |
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| Swami | emagana: thanks for the information, make sense | 15:48 |
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| Swami | That's all i had for today. | 15:48 |
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| Swami | Meet you all next week. | 15:48 |
| Swami | Thanks for joining the meeting. | 15:48 |
| Swami | #endmeeting | 15:48 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:48 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 17 15:48:56 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/distributed_virtual_router/2014/distributed_virtual_router.2014-12-17-15.02.html | 15:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/distributed_virtual_router/2014/distributed_virtual_router.2014-12-17-15.02.txt | 15:49 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/distributed_virtual_router/2014/distributed_virtual_router.2014-12-17-15.02.log.html | 15:49 |
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| rkukura | hi ML2’ers! | 16:01 |
| shivharis | hi | 16:01 |
| moshele | hi | 16:01 |
| manishg_ | hi | 16:01 |
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| irenab | hi | 16:01 |
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| rkukura | not seeing Sukhdev yet - his turn to chair, but I’ll do it if he doesn’t show up | 16:03 |
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| rkukura | Still no sign of Sukhdev, so lets get started | 16:05 |
| rkukura | #startmeeting networking_ml2 | 16:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 17 16:05:17 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rkukura. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:05 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_ml2' | 16:05 |
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| rkukura | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2#Meeting_December_17.2C_2014 | 16:05 |
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| rkukura | #topic Announcements | 16:06 |
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| rkukura | Sukhdev: do you want to chair today? | 16:06 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: Can you do it please? | 16:06 |
| rkukura | no problem | 16:07 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: Sorry for being late | 16:07 |
| rkukura | we were just starting the announcements | 16:07 |
| rkukura | Kilo-1 is this week | 16:07 |
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| rkukura | #link content https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/kilo-1 | 16:07 |
| rkukura | so the main “feature” is the split of advanced services into separate repos | 16:08 |
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| rkukura | I don’t see anything major related to ML2 | 16:08 |
| rkukura | please be on the lookout for any issues caused by the services split, and file bugs if needed | 16:09 |
| rkukura | the mid-cycle meetup was last week, hence no ML2 meeting last week | 16:10 |
| shivharis | when will the driver split be handled | 16:10 |
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| rkukura | #link etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-mid-cycle-sprint-dec-2014 | 16:10 |
| rkukura | #link report http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-December/052715.html | 16:10 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: Sprint was very productive | 16:10 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: agreed | 16:11 |
| rkukura | The main ML2 related work was on the plugin/driver decomposition, which we’ll discuss in the next topic | 16:11 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: over two releases | 16:11 |
| rkukura | I was hoping to get better insight into how the core refactoring work would effect ML2, but don’t think they are far enough along on that yet | 16:12 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: Do you have anything to add? | 16:12 |
| Sukhdev | this is fair enough | 16:13 |
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| rkukura | Any other announcements? | 16:13 |
| rkukura | #topic ML2 Drivers Decomposition | 16:14 |
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| Sukhdev | Check out the pictures of the sprint in the etherpad | 16:14 |
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| rkukura | Both Sukhdev and I, along with armax and Dane from Cisco spent most of our time at the meetup on the decomposition | 16:15 |
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| rkukura | We started with armax’s spec, and worked out some of the details, particularly for ML2 drivers | 16:15 |
| sadasu | I am starting to look into the split for the ucs manager mech driver | 16:16 |
| shivharis | Any notes/minutes of the decomposition meetings | 16:16 |
| shivharis | ? | 16:16 |
| rkukura | We seemed to achieve consensus around an approach where drivers are made up of an in-tree integration layer and an out-of-tree library, with as much backend-specific logic as possible moved to the library. This lets vendors update it more quickly, and reduces the load on the reviewers. | 16:17 |
| irenab | rkukura: special interest regarding generic MDs split, like SR-IOV | 16:17 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: the spec was modified to reflect the understanding as well it is captured to some degree in the etherpad | 16:17 |
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| shivharis | Sukhdev: etherpad is sparse in describing | 16:18 |
| rkukura | But it still allows the driver APIs to continue to evolve, fosters at least some refactoring and code sharing, and reviews of the integration layer can help ensure drivers can safely co-exist in heterogeneous deployments. | 16:18 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: it is by design :-) | 16:19 |
| rkukura | So based on this agreement, Sukhdev got a good start on decompositing the Arista MD, and Dane and I worked together on figuring out how the Cisco Nexus MD could be decomposed (including the HPB support that isn’t merged yet). | 16:20 |
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| irenab | rkukura: should SR-IOV MD be hosted in its own repository, or there should be some common repo for generic MDs (SR-IOV, LinuxBridge,...)? | 16:20 |
| rkukura | Vendors, as always, can choose to keep their drivers entirely out of tree if they prefer | 16:20 |
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| sadasu | I think the same arguement would apply for type drivers too, I suppose | 16:21 |
| Sukhdev | irenab: all MDs (except OVS) will follow this methodology | 16:21 |
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| HenryG | I think Irena is saying that some SR-IOV code is not vendor-specific. | 16:21 |
| rkukura | irenab: I think the OVS and LB MDs are staying in-tree, at least for now. Since these just use agents-db, they don’t have much code that could be moved | 16:21 |
| irenab | rkukura: same is for SR-IOV | 16:22 |
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| rkukura | I’d think SR-IOV drivers could move some vendor-specific logic out-of-tree if that makes sense. | 16:22 |
| irenab | rkukura: There is no vendor specifc code there | 16:22 |
| rkukura | Should have also mentioned that DB models and migrations can stay in-tree for now, avoiding the need for separate migration chains and db-manage tools. | 16:23 |
| sadasu | rkukura: irenab's sr-iov mech driver does not have vendor specific code | 16:23 |
| sadasu | their agent takes care of vendor specific functions | 16:23 |
| sadasu | rkukura: about DB models, do the get and put functions also stay in tree? | 16:23 |
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| rkukura | sadasu: I think there is some flexiblity on exactly where the line is drawn for the DB access. | 16:24 |
| Sukhdev | sadasu: we debated about the action functions for the DB models | 16:24 |
| Sukhdev | Ideally, if they can be moved out, move them out - but, there is bit flexibility about it | 16:25 |
| rkukura | We also looked at the Cisco APIC MD a bit - it already has most logic out-of-tree, but more could probably be removed from the tree. | 16:25 |
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| rkukura | We didn’t really discuss type drivers or extension drivers very much, but I think the same general approach should apply. | 16:26 |
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| Sukhdev | sadasu: The argument was made that if there is a bug in the action function, it does not make sense to get the core approval for it - vendor's should be able to fix it themselves | 16:26 |
| rkukura | My guess is these typically would not have much code (if any) that would make sense to move out-of-tree. | 16:26 |
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| irenab | rkukura: Any code change in tree requires cores approval, right? | 16:27 |
| rkukura | My understanding is that drivers have a couple cycles to implement the decomposition, but nothing but bug fixes will likely get merged in kilo for drivers that haven’t at least done a first phase of decomposition. | 16:28 |
| sadasu | Sukhdev, rkukura: so the general guideline seems to be, will this affect neutron core function and need core approval? | 16:28 |
| rkukura | irenab: Yes, the in-tree code gets reviewed by cores. | 16:28 |
| sadasu | if the answer is no, then it goes out of tree | 16:28 |
| Sukhdev | sadasu: correct. | 16:29 |
| shivharis | out-tree code is not reviewed by anyone except the vendor? | 16:29 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: that is the idea | 16:29 |
| rkukura | sadasu: Another guideline is whether the code directly uses ML2 driver APIs - if so, it can/should stay in-tree. This facilitates evolving the driver APIs until they become more stable. | 16:29 |
| rkukura | Anything else on the decomposition before we move onto BPs? | 16:30 |
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| rkukura | Should we plan to discuss this further next week after people have had a chance to think about how it impacts their drivers? | 16:30 |
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| Sukhdev | mestery and I working on a sample MD | 16:30 |
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| shivharis | #action add driver decomposition discussion item to next weeks agenda | 16:31 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: Is that the ODL driver mestery had started on? | 16:31 |
| Sukhdev | mestery is ahead of me and has decomposed the ODL MD - this will be a good sample to look at | 16:31 |
| moshele | Sukhdev: when it will be ready? | 16:31 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: yes | 16:31 |
| rkukura | #action all look at decomposing your drivers so we can discuss further next week | 16:32 |
| Sukhdev | moshele: It almost ready - he was working out some issue with unit tests | 16:32 |
| Sukhdev | I am little bit behind - will take me a week or so to complete | 16:32 |
| Sukhdev | Both of these will act as samples | 16:33 |
| Sukhdev | this should give you the idea about the decomposition boundaries | 16:33 |
| rkukura | should also have mentioned that unit testing can get tricky with this, and probably involves more work than moving the driver code itself | 16:33 |
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| shivharis | rkukura: agreed | 16:33 |
| sadasu | rkukura: exactly | 16:33 |
| Sukhdev | I am having issues with unit tests as well - at the moment it is all broken :-) | 16:34 |
| rkukura | also meant to mention that stackforge is available to host the backend-specific libraries | 16:34 |
| moshele | if the MD has an agent code should some of it (agent code ) be in the tree? | 16:34 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: Do you have the link to the info on getting stackforge repos setup? | 16:34 |
| Sukhdev | yes, I - let me look | 16:35 |
| rkukura | moshele: I’d think backend-specific agent code should be out-of-tree | 16:35 |
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| Sukhdev | #link http://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/creators.html | 16:35 |
| rkukura | This is where a modular agent would be nice - with vendor drivers integrated similarly to what we do in ML2 | 16:36 |
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| rkukura | Sukhdev: thanks | 16:36 |
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| rkukura | Anything else on decomposition? | 16:36 |
| rkukura | #topic BP List Consolidation | 16:36 |
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| rkukura | shivharis, manishg_: Do you have an update on this? | 16:37 |
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| manishg_ | It is updated here : https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Tracking_ML2_Subgroup_Reviews | 16:37 |
| shivharis | manishg_ and I sat down to cleanup/addon to the list | 16:37 |
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| shivharis | the list is still work in progress(WIP), is a starting poiunt for owners of BPs to update | 16:38 |
| rkukura | wish I could have been there ;) | 16:38 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: for the drinking part, right? :-):-) | 16:38 |
| shivharis | please take a look at it, see if we missed anything there | 16:38 |
| manishg_ | which columns do we need? Should we get rid of code/R1/R2/R3/R4/C1/C2/C3 etc. ? | 16:38 |
| rkukura | I see quite a few driver specs in the list - should we move those to a separate section? | 16:39 |
| irenab | shivharis: please add this one: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack/?searchtext=network-settings-support-vnic-type | 16:39 |
| Sukhdev | manishg_: Yes, please clean it up | 16:39 |
| moshele | rukura: I not sure I understand the decision regarding SRIOV, it look like SRIOV MD generic for all vendor and can be in tree and the agent can move out why do you think? | 16:39 |
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| shivharis | agreed the drivers will move out of the list, we simply wanted to get everything in and then split it out | 16:39 |
| manishg_ | rkukura: yes, will move them out. | 16:39 |
| shivharis | manishg_ anything else you want to add? | 16:40 |
| manishg_ | We have simply looked for drivers that have ML2 mentioned . Not all of them do! In which case, the authors may have to add it here. | 16:40 |
| manishg_ | irenab: will do. | 16:40 |
| rkukura | shivharis: I’d suggest moving them to separate section - people may want to look at them even if they are not being reviewed/approved. | 16:40 |
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| manishg_ | shivharis: do we need the 'merged' section? e.g. merged in Juno | 16:41 |
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| shivharis | rkukura: of course, they will be visisble | 16:41 |
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| rkukura | I believe the drivers team is still in the process of reviewing specs for kilo | 16:41 |
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| rkukura | Are there ML2 specs (other than vendor-specific) that aren’t approved yet that we want to try to get approved | 16:42 |
| shivharis | rkukura: i dont think they are reviewing at all | 16:42 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: SAD deadline is gone | 16:42 |
| shivharis | rkukura: please connfirm if they are really reviewing.. | 16:42 |
| irenab | rkukura: this one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138753/ | 16:42 |
| rkukura | My understanding from the neutron IRC meeting was that reviewing would continue this week | 16:42 |
| manishg_ | also, I think the way to keep this twiki up-to-date is that authors update the status. | 16:43 |
| manishg_ | otherwise it will become out of date quickly. | 16:43 |
| shivharis | rkukura: kyle has been putting -2 with a note saying it is not needed | 16:43 |
| irenab | please take a look, this may be very valuable for SR_IOV use cases | 16:43 |
| rkukura | irenab: Agreed | 16:43 |
| irenab | thanks! | 16:44 |
| shivharis | anyways back to the list, anyone has questions? Also please look at the list and pay particular attention to your item | 16:44 |
| shwetaap | Port Security Extension driver https://review.openstack.org/#/c/99873/. It is there on the wiki. It has +1s but no core approvals yet | 16:44 |
| rkukura | So if a spec doesn’t have a +2 or -2 yet, I think it is still in play | 16:44 |
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| shivharis | most m-drivers have -2 | 16:44 |
| rkukura | mestery, salv-orlando: Are spec reviews continueing this week? | 16:45 |
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| mestery | rkukura: We're going through the backlog, a few were given an extension. | 16:45 |
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| rkukura | mestery: If they don’t yet have +2 or -2, is there still hope for kilo? | 16:45 |
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| mestery | Well, if they don't have a +2, it's more likely they'll get a -2, but there is slight hope. | 16:46 |
| mestery | :) | 16:46 |
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| rkukura | OK, if you have a spec you think needs to get approved for kilo, make your case with the drivers team! | 16:47 |
| shivharis | :-) | 16:47 |
| rkukura | And be responsive to an review comments! | 16:47 |
| rkukura | OK, lets move on | 16:47 |
| rkukura | about 13 minutes left | 16:47 |
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| rkukura | #topic Bugs | 16:47 |
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| rkukura | shivharis: Do you want to cover this? | 16:47 |
| shivharis | kilo-1 is around the corner | 16:47 |
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| shivharis | bugs destined for kilo-1 but with little progress moved to k-2 | 16:48 |
| shivharis | anyone has k-1 bugs that need help/review/et | 16:48 |
| shivharis | we have 4 high prior bugs that need attention, even though they got moved out to k-2 i hope they make it to k-2 | 16:49 |
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| shivharis | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1179223 | 16:49 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1179223 in neutron "Retired GRE and VXLAN tunnels persists in neutron db" [High,In progress] | 16:49 |
| shivharis | romilg? | 16:49 |
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| shivharis | not sure if romilg is around, moving on.. | 16:50 |
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| shivharis | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1367391 | 16:50 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1367391 in neutron "ML2 DVR port binding implementation unnecessarily duplicates schema and logic" [High,Confirmed] | 16:50 |
| shivharis | rkukura? | 16:50 |
| rkukura | I expect to complete that one for kilo-2 | 16:50 |
| shivharis | ok | 16:50 |
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| rkukura | The HPB patches I rebased also touch the DVR schema | 16:51 |
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| shivharis | the next one is confusing, it started out as critical but the fix was not complete | 16:51 |
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| shivharis | rkukura: ileave it to to you to coordiante with DVR folks | 16:52 |
| shivharis | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1378732 | 16:52 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1378732 in neutron "migrate_to_ml2 script doesn't work for Juno release" [High,Incomplete] | 16:52 |
| shivharis | markmacclain: ? (not sure if he monitors this meeting) | 16:52 |
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| shivharis | next: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1381536 (eugene?) | 16:53 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1381536 in neutron "ResourceClosedError occurs when neutron API run in parallel" [High,Confirmed] | 16:53 |
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| shivharis | appears folks are not around to respond, i will ping individually | 16:54 |
| banix | do we want to continue with the bug related to bulk operations or should I abondon it? #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/113999/ | 16:54 |
| shivharis | any questions regarding bugs? | 16:54 |
| rkukura | shivharis: thanks! | 16:54 |
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| rkukura | banix: Were we going to see what happens with the core API refactoring, and how it might effect this? | 16:55 |
| rkukura | banix: I definitely would not abandon it | 16:55 |
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| banix | rkukura: yes | 16:56 |
| rkukura | banix: In fact, why not see if we can get it merged first? | 16:56 |
| rkukura | anything else on bugs? | 16:57 |
| rkukura | 3 minutes left | 16:57 |
| banix | rkukura: ok | 16:57 |
| rkukura | #topic Open Discussion | 16:57 |
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| rkukura | if nothing for open discussion, we can end early :) | 16:58 |
| rkukura | thanks everyone! | 16:58 |
| shivharis | meeting next week? | 16:58 |
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| rkukura | shivharis: good question - do we want to meet on the 24th? | 16:59 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: good question - do we meet next week? | 16:59 |
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| Sukhdev | My vote - we enjoy holidays :-) | 16:59 |
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| manishg_ | +1 | 17:00 |
| shivharis | i second | 17:00 |
| rkukura | OK, we’ll skip next week, but what about new year’s eve? | 17:00 |
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| rkukura | lets try to do that one | 17:00 |
| shivharis | we can meet, but not at IRC | 17:00 |
| rkukura | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 17 17:00:48 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2014/networking_ml2.2014-12-17-16.05.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2014/networking_ml2.2014-12-17-16.05.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2014/networking_ml2.2014-12-17-16.05.log.html | 17:00 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: we should meet then | 17:01 |
| Kiall | #startmeeting Designate | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 17 17:01:06 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Kiall. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'designate' | 17:01 |
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| Kiall | Heya - Who's about today? | 17:01 |
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| rjrjr | o/ | 17:01 |
| vinod | o/ | 17:01 |
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| Kiall | Nobody else about? | 17:01 |
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| Kiall | Guess not... | 17:02 |
| Kiall | #topic Action Items from last week | 17:02 |
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| Kiall | No actions recorded from last ... | 17:02 |
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| benwha | o/ | 17:02 |
| timsim | o/ :P | 17:02 |
| Kiall | #topic Kilo Release Status (kiall - recurring) | 17:02 |
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| Kiall | #link https://launchpad.net/designate/+milestone/kilo-1 | 17:02 |
| ekarlso- | o/ btw | 17:03 |
| ekarlso- | I was hiidng :p | 17:03 |
| mugsie | https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1402788 | 17:03 |
| Kiall | So - the last unfinished BP is half in - Theirry recommened we split it, and close the first part | 17:03 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1402788 in designate "obj_reset_changes is implemented incorrectly in SQLA Storage backend" [High,In progress] | 17:03 |
| mugsie | https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1396720 | 17:03 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1396720 in designate "PUT on a Recordset with multiple Records results in delete/recreation of all Records" [High,In progress] | 17:03 |
| mugsie | ^ need review | 17:03 |
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| Kiall | #action kiall to split bp validation-cleanup into k1/k2 parts. | 17:03 |
| Kiall | mugsie: I thought that landed? | 17:04 |
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| mugsie | nope | 17:04 |
| mugsie | both still need +A | 17:04 |
| Kiall | K | 17:04 |
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| Kiall | So - bugs 1402788 and 1396720 - could we get any final reviews done on those ASAP, I'll be giving Theirry or k1 sha1 in less than 24 hours. | 17:05 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1402788 in designate "obj_reset_changes is implemented incorrectly in SQLA Storage backend" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1402788 | 17:05 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1396720 in designate "PUT on a Recordset with multiple Records results in delete/recreation of all Records" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1396720 | 17:05 |
| Kiall | And the other two bugs (1399257 and 1398989) can get pushed to k2. | 17:06 |
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| Kiall | #action kiall to push 1398989 and 1399257 to k2 | 17:06 |
| vinod | Done with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/141879/ | 17:06 |
| Kiall | Thanks vinod :) | 17:06 |
| timsim | I'll test that second one in a bit | 17:06 |
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| mugsie | timsim: tnx | 17:06 |
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| Kiall | Okay, beyond those, I think we're pretty much set for k1.. I'm not convinced we have time for any other changes to properly merge + bake a little. | 17:07 |
| betsy | sorry I’m late | 17:07 |
| Kiall | No problem :) | 17:07 |
| Kiall | betsy: ^ comment includes your change I think, I'm not sure we have enough time to fixup/merge before I have to give theirry a SHA1 tomorrow for K1 | 17:08 |
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| Kiall | (I've got a meeting with him at 16:30 UTC tomorrow where I'll be giving him the sha1) | 17:08 |
| betsy | I know. i really wanted it in k-1 | 17:08 |
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| mugsie | betsy: I think we get it in ASAP into K2 | 17:08 |
| Kiall | mugsie: + | 17:09 |
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| mugsie | is there anything else people think we need in K1 ? | 17:09 |
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| mugsie | i will takew that as no ;) | 17:10 |
| Kiall | sorry - call distracted me for sec .. power outages for the win ;) | 17:10 |
| timsim | I haven't had time to go back through and test server pools since yesterday, I assume it got fixed from yesterday :P | 17:10 |
| rjrjr | fixed? | 17:10 |
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| timsim | (or maybe it wasn't broken, just configuration things) | 17:10 |
| rjrjr | it worked for me with the correct config. | 17:11 |
| Kiall | https://review.openstack.org/142505 wouled be nice, but it's slightly more involved than just changing a default conf value, so it's probably best if it doesn't.. | 17:11 |
| timsim | (I still think there should be something to catch that possible divide by zero, but that can be done later) | 17:11 |
| mugsie | I would say K2 for ^ | 17:11 |
| Kiall | timsim: yea, I've hit that divide by zero once or twice.. | 17:11 |
| rjrjr | it happens if you have no servers. i'll create a bug and fix it. | 17:11 |
| timsim | Alright, fair enough, I'm good. | 17:11 |
| Kiall | Anyway - I think we're good on K2 - Only change I'd like to see landed in mugsie's update RRSet one, but it's not the end of the world if it doesn't either. | 17:12 |
| Kiall | Okay - Since we're mostly here already... | 17:12 |
| Kiall | #topic Pools - Where are we? (kiall - recurring) | 17:12 |
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| betsy | Remember my code removes servers as such so wait on that before you fix a bug | 17:12 |
| betsy | Mine might fix it | 17:12 |
| Kiall | We have some bugs (divide by zero for example), but overall we're pretty good. | 17:12 |
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| ekarlso- | oh, yeah I hit that just now Kiall | 17:13 |
| ekarlso- | I guess it's due to the server_id thing not being set w dynect : | 17:13 |
| Kiall | rjrjr and I discussed some changes to the data model (pools have servers currently) to support different backends like Akamai and DynECT - These are k2 things, so once we get k1 out, I'll write up the thoughts I promised you | 17:13 |
| Kiall | Anything else of note around getting pools "perfect"? :) | 17:14 |
| rjrjr | i have unit tests and better logging and bugs. | 17:14 |
| Kiall | Cool :) | 17:14 |
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| rjrjr | has anyone tested with multiple servers in a single pool, multiple pools, etc. yet? | 17:15 |
| mugsie | rjrjr: not yet | 17:15 |
| Kiall | I've done a little around that, but not enough to be 100% confident in it yet | 17:15 |
| vinod | not yet | 17:15 |
| ekarlso- | Kiall: how you mean though by changing the datamodel ? | 17:15 |
| ekarlso- | vs the also_notify thing | 17:15 |
| Kiall | ekarlso-: I'll write up post-k1 | 17:15 |
| Kiall | It's related, but separate to the also-notify thing needed for Dyn/Akamai | 17:15 |
| ekarlso- | Kiall: just wondering if it affects the work i'm doing | 17:15 |
| ekarlso- | hmm k | 17:15 |
| Kiall | rjrjr: I'm guessing you have BTW? | 17:16 |
| rjrjr | a little. | 17:16 |
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| Kiall | K | 17:16 |
| Kiall | Anything else on Pools before we move on? | 17:16 |
| rjrjr | not extensive testing. wondering if we can get it into our automated testing though. | 17:16 |
| timsim | I'm good | 17:17 |
| Kiall | rjrjr: I think we probably can, but I'm not 100% sure how we might go about it | 17:17 |
| Kiall | e.g. devstack could be updated to manually start bind/powerdns etc with multiple different sets of config | 17:17 |
| Kiall | Okay - Moving on, we can look into better CI of multi-server pools in k2.. | 17:18 |
| Kiall | #topic V2 RecordSet Update Behavior (kiall) | 17:19 |
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| Kiall | So - We've discussed this before, but everytime I see it, I'm still thinking we've done this one wrong! Specifically, the PUT vs PATCH for RecordSet update being different to all our other resources. | 17:20 |
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| betsy | I thought we were changing it all to json patch | 17:20 |
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| betsy | Plus I don’t think the update server should be a patch. It should be a put like recordset | 17:20 |
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| Kiall | betsy: well, JSON-Patch will be support at some point soon too .. But the "normal" way should be supported as well | 17:21 |
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| betsy | You can easily delete all your servers if you try to add one and don’t include all the others | 17:21 |
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| betsy | Which you might think you can do since it’s a patch | 17:21 |
| rjrjr | betsy: that is problem. | 17:21 |
| Kiall | betsy: Well, I see it as the other way around .. If i PATCH /zones/<id> with {"description": "Foo"} - I'm updating part of the Zone resource, If i PATCH /zones/<id>/recordsets/<id> with {"description": "Foo"} - I'm updating part of the RRSet resource | 17:22 |
| rjrjr | is a problem | 17:22 |
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| Kiall | But - If I PUT /zones/<id>/recordsets/<id> - I expect to be "replacing" the whole resource, e.g. the resource should look like I had just done a create API call.. | 17:22 |
| betsy | Right, so if i want to add a server to a pool, I would just include that new server in my request, but that will delete all the other servers | 17:22 |
| betsy | … that aren’t listed in the request | 17:22 |
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| ekarlso- | +1 to betsy | 17:23 |
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| Kiall | betsy: right - but that's not the resource being acted on .. Your acting on the Pool | 17:23 |
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| mugsie | actually.... you are acting on the nested sub resource | 17:23 |
| betsy | No. You’re also acting on the namservers, because that’s how we add, delete and modify nameservers — thru the pool | 17:23 |
| Kiall | an update with {"description": "foo"} replaces the description with the supplied value | 17:23 |
| Kiall | an update with {"records": []} replaces the records with the supplied value | 17:23 |
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| Kiall | e.g. it's key + value, and you update a key to a new value, the fact that the value is a list doesn't change the fact for me that your not repalcing the entire RecordSet resource with {"records": []} - you're only changing 1 part of it. | 17:24 |
| rjrjr | so, there is a way to add a server and update the server list? | 17:25 |
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| Kiall | rjrjr: No with the current code, you have to supply the key's full value .. When we implement JSON-Patch, it will be possible then to modify just a small part | 17:25 |
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| Kiall | re " No. You’re also acting on the namservers, because that’s how we add, delete and modify nameservers — thru the pool" | 17:26 |
| Kiall | I see it as, your acting on the Pool resource - the URL is /pools/<id> - and the HTTP verb and behaviours should reflect that. | 17:26 |
| betsy | But I think having the pool update as PATCH is confusing to the user since the nameservers and attributes act as a PUT | 17:26 |
| Kiall | (same applies to RRSets etc..) | 17:26 |
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| Kiall | betsy: exactly! Using PUT (i.e replace) when you want to update a pools description is the same issue, in the reverse direction. | 17:27 |
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| betsy | Right, but having it as a PUT method is clearer than having it as a PATCH and then having the nameservers act as a PUT behind the scense when you’re not expecting it | 17:27 |
| benwha | can't you get the previous value and ad it to the patch request ? | 17:27 |
| Kiall | But - Since we're acting on /pools/<id> - It seems more approperiate for the API call to be acting on the pool with ID# <id> | 17:27 |
| Kiall | benwha: we could require the user to supply all values there, but that's still a break from the majority of our other API resources | 17:28 |
| rjrjr | is there a /pools/<id>/servers resource? | 17:28 |
| betsy | No | 17:28 |
| Kiall | rjrjr: no, there isn't | 17:28 |
| mugsie | rjrjr: no, we decided against that format after we removed the /records endpoint from recordsets | 17:29 |
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| ekarlso- | isn | 17:29 |
| ekarlso- | isn't there a pool attributes one though ? | 17:29 |
| rjrjr | should there be? | 17:29 |
| mugsie | honestly, we would have been beter keeping /records imho | 17:29 |
| Kiall | yea - The pattern here is the same for Pool's (with Servers embedded in it) and RecordSets (with Records embedded in it) | 17:29 |
| ekarlso- | ok | 17:30 |
| benwha | Kiall:no, I wanted to say that when doing a PATCH cant the previous value be fetch and put into the value we are updating so not all ressources are affected ? | 17:30 |
| rjrjr | benwha, symantically, that isn't correct is what is being said. | 17:30 |
| Kiall | benwha: ah yes, that's the behaviour of our current PATCH calls, and the behaviour of a PUT on the RecordSets and Pools resource .. Which is where I see the issue. | 17:30 |
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| Kiall | e.g. PATCH to /zones/<id> with {"description": "Foo"} will not modify the zone name and - | 17:31 |
| Kiall | PUT to /zones/<id>/recordsets/<id> with {"description": "Foo"} will not modify the recordset name... | 17:31 |
| Kiall | Both of those API calls behave identically, but the HTTP verb is different.. | 17:32 |
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| Kiall | The wiedness is introduced when the key your updating is a list, and to be, the behaviour is still "replace key <key>, with value <value>" | 17:33 |
| Kiall | and to me* | 17:33 |
| Kiall | not "replace the resource with this set of keys+values", as PUT implies | 17:33 |
| betsy | To me the weirdness is having a pool PATCH where the nameservers and attributes without the pool are treated as a PUT withing that PATCH | 17:33 |
| timsim | I'd like to see this articulated in some sort of doc personally. | 17:34 |
| betsy | ^within/without | 17:34 |
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| mugsie | yeah, having a document to dicuss would be helpful I think | 17:34 |
| mugsie | discuss* | 17:34 |
| Kiall | betsy: Well, if you think of the resource as key/value pairs: | 17:35 |
| Kiall | PATCH /pools/<id> {"description": "Foo"} <-- Replace the key "description" with supplied value ("Foo") | 17:35 |
| Kiall | PATCH /pools/<id> {"nameservers": ["ns1", "ns22]} <-- Replace the key "nameservers" with supplied value (["ns1", "ns2") | 17:35 |
| betsy | If we have json-patch do we still have to have patch? | 17:35 |
| betsy | kiall: And you’ve deleted any other existing nameservers that you didn’t include in that request | 17:35 |
| Kiall | Yea, I believe we do.. 99% of APIs treat PATCH or POST /pools/<id> {"description": "Foo"} as Replace the key "description" with supplied value ("Foo") | 17:35 |
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| Kiall | betsy: correct, but the API call is acting on the Pool, and I've not removed the content of the description field | 17:36 |
| mugsie | actually most APIs use PATCH in conjuntion with JSON+PATCH | 17:36 |
| mugsie | apart from Keystone V3 and us | 17:36 |
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| Kiall | and glance ;) | 17:36 |
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| mugsie | nope | 17:36 |
| mugsie | http://docs.openstack.org/api/openstack-image-service/2.0/content/appendix-b-http-patch-media-types.html | 17:37 |
| timsim | Meaning they're separate operations? | 17:37 |
| Kiall | timsim: not sure what you mean? | 17:37 |
| Kiall | Also - We're taking quite a while on this one :) We should move on shortly. | 17:38 |
| timsim | Yeah I think there should be a doc^ | 17:38 |
| timsim | Meaning you can do a PATCH on something and a json-patch on that same thing? | 17:38 |
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| timsim | And they behave differently? | 17:38 |
| mugsie | timsim: thats what is being proposed | 17:39 |
| mugsie | i think we do need a doc writen for this | 17:39 |
| Kiall | timsim: correct, by telling the API what kind of request your sending - the standard for that is the Content-Type: application/json vs application/json+json-patch headers | 17:39 |
| mugsie | I can write it if needs be | 17:39 |
| timsim | ok | 17:39 |
| timsim | From what I can gather, if you want to support PATCH properly, it seems like you'd have to have /recordset/id/records and pool/id/nameservers. | 17:39 |
| mugsie | but having a point of refernce seems like a good idea, to ensure thsi beate goes somewhere | 17:39 |
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| mugsie | debate* | 17:39 |
| timsim | Unless I'm not following. In which case, doc plz. | 17:40 |
| Kiall | mugsie: Okay - We can take an hour later this week/early next to write somehting? | 17:40 |
| mugsie | sounds good | 17:40 |
| timsim | Much appreciated. | 17:40 |
| Kiall | (I think mugsie is on the opposite side to me here, so should in theory be balanced!) | 17:40 |
| Kiall | Okay - Let's move on :) | 17:40 |
| Kiall | #topic Mid Cycle. 3 or 4 days? & Confirmation (graham) | 17:41 |
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| Kiall | mugsie: over to you.. | 17:41 |
| mugsie | so, just want to get confirmation. Are we goingn for a 3 day or 4 day event | 17:41 |
| rjrjr | we can host either. | 17:41 |
| mugsie | and can we get location details, and a hard limit of the number of people? | 17:41 |
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| mugsie | I want to send out details to the mailing list asap | 17:41 |
| Kiall | I'll be 3 days at most, but if people can/want to do 4 - I've no problem leaving the day early.. | 17:42 |
| rjrjr | i'll send out the location details right after this meeting. | 17:42 |
| mugsie | and put it on the wiki, so people can send devs if they are interested | 17:42 |
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| mugsie | I am happy with either - I am flying 8k miles for it ;) | 17:42 |
| Kiall | it and other meetings ;) | 17:42 |
| mugsie | what do other people think? | 17:42 |
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| Kiall | vinod / timsim / betsy - any idea what's better for you guys? | 17:42 |
| mugsie | timsim: vinod betsy - what do you think you would be allowed do? | 17:42 |
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| betsy | Good question. Joe’s not here | 17:43 |
| betsy | … at the moment | 17:43 |
| timsim | I think we'll be able to make it work, whatever people want. | 17:43 |
| mugsie | ok what is people preference then? | 17:44 |
| timsim | (If I have to, I'll drive :P) | 17:44 |
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| mugsie | :) | 17:44 |
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| timsim | We don't get together that often, it seems like we should stretch it as long as possible. | 17:44 |
| Kiall | 3 is better for me, I have to be in sunnvale or palo alto early thursday morning ;) | 17:44 |
| vinod | 4 days | 17:44 |
| betsy | :) | 17:44 |
| timsim | We can just bother Kiall on IRC on the last day :P | 17:44 |
| mugsie | :) | 17:44 |
| Kiall | ;) | 17:44 |
| ekarlso- | btw, do u need me for anything more ? ^ I gotta run :/ | 17:44 |
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| betsy | We can probably get a lot done in 3 days | 17:45 |
| rjrjr | let's do 4 days then. | 17:45 |
| mugsie | cool | 17:45 |
| mugsie | 4 it is then | 17:45 |
| Kiall | ekarlso-: Not unless you have any input on the last agenda item :) | 17:45 |
| timsim | Event should be four, if people have to leave early, that's cool. | 17:45 |
| mugsie | timsim: ++ | 17:45 |
| vinod | ekarlso- while you are here - mugsie is there any update on the time change of this meeting? | 17:45 |
| Kiall | timsim: ++ | 17:45 |
| mugsie | oh - yeah.. I will look at that this evening | 17:45 |
| Kiall | mugsie: did you get results from the poll? | 17:45 |
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| mugsie | I have a poll, but have not looked at results | 17:45 |
| ekarlso- | Logging and RPCAPI Strawman proposals (graham) | 17:45 |
| ekarlso- | that one u mean Kiall ? | 17:46 |
| mugsie | yeah | 17:46 |
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| Kiall | #action mugsie to figure out possible schedule change for next meeting. | 17:46 |
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| Kiall | Anything else on this, or will we move on? | 17:46 |
| rjrjr | we took the poll a while back. | 17:46 |
| ekarlso- | what I wondered about is how does that play with the embedded central thing ? | 17:46 |
| Kiall | rjrjr: yea, sounds like he hasn't checked the results :) | 17:46 |
| ekarlso- | just a thought I got | 17:46 |
| mugsie | rjrjr: yeah, i need to get the results | 17:46 |
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| mugsie | ekarlso-: absolutly no idea | 17:46 |
| ekarlso- | mugsie: :P | 17:46 |
| Kiall | Okay - Moving on since it's already happening anyway ;) | 17:47 |
| Kiall | #topic Logging and RPCAPI Strawman proposals (graham) | 17:47 |
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| mugsie | so | 17:47 |
| mugsie | #link https://review.openstack.org/142218 | 17:47 |
| mugsie | #link https://review.openstack.org/142222 | 17:47 |
| mugsie | are 2 ideas that I had yesterday - if people want to look at them and see if they fit with how we work, please do | 17:48 |
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| mugsie | I dont think we need to debate them here | 17:48 |
| Kiall | Anyone had a chance to look them over yet? | 17:48 |
| rjrjr | i liked the logging idea. i didn't understand why we want to change RPCAPI. | 17:48 |
| timsim | I thought they looked like nice ideas. | 17:48 |
| Kiall | rjrjr: yea, I'm pretty much the same :) | 17:48 |
| mugsie | but if people can read them, and comment that would be great | 17:48 |
| ekarlso- | mugsie: I already looked, so far except the embedded central comment I dont have anything on it | 17:48 |
| betsy | I haven’t had a chance to look at them yet | 17:48 |
| mugsie | they are totally out of left field so please look critically | 17:49 |
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| ekarlso- | but really, thnx for meeting but I really gotta run :) | 17:49 |
| mugsie | rjrjr: I hated the repetition | 17:49 |
| Kiall | cya ekarlso- | 17:49 |
| mugsie | ekarlso-: o/ | 17:49 |
| mugsie | they are not nessiasarly good ideas ;) | 17:49 |
| Kiall | Okay - So if this was a "Please review" item, let's move to Open Discussion while we have 10 mins left :) | 17:49 |
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| Kiall | #topic Open Discussion | 17:50 |
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| mugsie | unless any one has anythoing ;) | 17:50 |
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| mugsie | oh | 17:50 |
| mugsie | too late | 17:50 |
| Kiall | Any other topics from anyone else? | 17:50 |
| timsim | I'm good :) | 17:50 |
| rjrjr | i'm also good. | 17:51 |
| Kiall | Ok - I have one if nobody else does, Any suggestions for ways to improve these meetings? It's been a good while since we had that discussion. | 17:51 |
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| betsy | hmm - are you trying to address a particular problem you see or is this just a general question? | 17:51 |
| vinod | We talked about having a google hangout occasionally in place of one of these meetings | 17:52 |
| Kiall | betsy: no specific issues from me, just wanted to make sure people are happy with it :) | 17:52 |
| rjrjr | a hangout ever month would help me. i miss hearing your voices. 8^) | 17:52 |
| timsim | I'm always a fan of a little more pre-work, if there's something like the PATCH/PUT to be discussed, I love to see it documented and sent around before so everyone is aware of the issue before the meeting starts. | 17:52 |
| mugsie | timsim: that is a good idea | 17:52 |
| timsim | I don't know how realistic that is for everyone's busy lives though :P | 17:52 |
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| betsy | I think they’re basiclaly good. We usually finish on time. A google hangout might be nice occasionally | 17:53 |
| Kiall | timsim: Yea, agreed.. It's often hard to find the time though when it's not guaranteed to be necessary :) | 17:53 |
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| timsim | Yeah, I get it | 17:53 |
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| betsy | I’m fine with the fact that someimes things are bigger than we think, so then we write a doc and take it offline | 17:53 |
| Kiall | vinod: re hangout.. Yea, should we do something like that once a month with a single topic or something? | 17:53 |
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| rjrjr | silence. | 17:54 |
| betsy | kiall: +1 | 17:54 |
| mugsie | yeah, I think it could tie in wityh the monthly sprint | 17:54 |
| Kiall | Also keeping in mind .. there's lots of new faces starting to show at these meetings :) (benwha is todays example! Welcome benwha :)) | 17:54 |
| timsim | As the community grows that may be difficult :P | 17:54 |
| timsim | Ah^ | 17:54 |
| benwha | thx all | 17:55 |
| mugsie | timsim: yeah, but there is other solutions as well - but we would have to take as we go | 17:55 |
| Kiall | Anyway - I like the idea of getting more "face time", but we should be careful it's inclusive :) | 17:55 |
| timsim | Totally agree ^ | 17:55 |
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| Kiall | mugsie: suggested doing it for the monthly topic sprints - I think those are a GREAT way to get new people involved, so, I'm not sure it's the right place to scare people off with a Hangout ;) | 17:56 |
| timsim | Everyone could just fly somewhere once a month, no big. | 17:56 |
| Kiall | Which reminds me. | 17:56 |
| Kiall | #action kiall to put monthly topic sprints on agenda for next week, and everyone to put ideas into the agenda page before next meet | 17:56 |
| mugsie | oh, not for the full sprint, but before or after | 17:57 |
| mugsie | timsim: that sounds like a plan ;) | 17:57 |
| betsy | Oh, next Wed. is Christmas Eve. Are we still having the meeting? I know a lot of people (me) will be out | 17:57 |
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| vinod | fyi - I will not be around for he next 2 meetings | 17:57 |
| vinod | s/he/the | 17:58 |
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| Kiall | betsy: are you trying to tell me you don't work christmas evening? | 17:58 |
| Kiall | ;) | 17:58 |
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| betsy | :D | 17:58 |
| Kiall | Yes - I think we can safely cancel next weeks meeting. Thanks for the reminder. | 17:58 |
| Kiall | 31st is New Years eve too ;) | 17:58 |
| rjrjr | i'll be on if needed. | 17:58 |
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| Kiall | Are we Jan 7th for the next metting then? | 17:58 |
| mugsie | I will most likely not be around for the next 2 | 17:58 |
| rjrjr | best time of the year to catch up on work. :) | 17:58 |
| benwha | and the next one +1 is new year eve I think | 17:58 |
| mugsie | so 3 weeks? | 17:58 |
| Kiall | Or - Should we have on off-schedule on Fri Jan 5th? | 17:59 |
| Kiall | I'm guessing most people are back by then | 17:59 |
| timsim | That works too. | 17:59 |
| mugsie | yeah, sounds good | 17:59 |
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| rjrjr | next dec 23 and jan 5? | 17:59 |
| vinod | You mane Mon Jan 5th? | 17:59 |
| Kiall | vinod: whoops, yes | 18:00 |
| timsim | Let's take it over to #openstack-dns? | 18:00 |
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| betsy | Fri is the 2nd | 18:00 |
| mugsie | timsim: its fine SlickNik can wait ;) | 18:00 |
| Kiall | timsim: Yes, Move to #openstack-dns to figure this out. | 18:00 |
| * Kiall conventiently forgets to #endmeeting ;) | 18:00 | |
| Kiall | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 17 18:00:40 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2014/designate.2014-12-17-17.01.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2014/designate.2014-12-17-17.01.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2014/designate.2014-12-17-17.01.log.html | 18:00 |
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| SlickNik | lol, thanks Kiall | 18:00 |
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| SlickNik | #startmeeting trove | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 17 18:01:08 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SlickNik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trove' | 18:01 |
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| SlickNik | giving folks a few minutes to trickle in. | 18:01 |
| amrith | ./ | 18:01 |
| vgnbkr | o/ | 18:01 |
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| mattgriffin | o/ | 18:01 |
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| SlickNik | Agenda at: | 18:02 |
| bartash | evening | 18:02 |
| SlickNik | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting#Agenda_for_Dec_17th | 18:02 |
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| SlickNik | Looks fairly light. | 18:02 |
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| vkmc | o/ | 18:03 |
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| georgelorch | o/ | 18:03 |
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| SlickNik | #topic Trove kilo-1 tagged | 18:04 |
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| SlickNik | We now have kilo-1 tagged. | 18:04 |
| SlickNik | #link https://launchpad.net/trove/+milestone/kilo-1 | 18:04 |
| esmute | o/ | 18:05 |
| SlickNik | I've moved all of the BPs and bugs that are still work in progress to kilo-2. | 18:05 |
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| SlickNik | Had just a couple of BPs implemented in kilo-1 — have a lot more planned for kilo-2, and kilo-3. | 18:07 |
| SlickNik | So we need to step up the pace (both implementation, and reviews) :) | 18:07 |
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| SlickNik | That's pretty much all I wanted to mention here. Any questions regarding this? | 18:08 |
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| SlickNik | . | 18:08 |
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| SlickNik | #topic Trove Kilo Mid-Cycle sprint registration | 18:09 |
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| SlickNik | I've gotten a few registrations from folks for the Trove Mid-Cycle sprint in Seattle | 18:09 |
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| SlickNik | Just wanted to remind others who haven't signed up to go ahead and sign up at https://www.eventbrite.com/e/trove-mid-cycle-sprint-kilo-tickets-14892837879 when you get a chance. | 18:10 |
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| amrith | q. | 18:10 |
| SlickNik | yes? | 18:11 |
| amrith | SlickNik, what's the current head-count for the mid-cycle? | 18:11 |
| SlickNik | I think I have around 10 folks registered so far. | 18:12 |
| SlickNik | But I assume more folks will register as we get closer to the date as well. | 18:12 |
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| SlickNik | Just want to encourage folks to register early — so we have a better estimation of head-count. | 18:13 |
| SlickNik | I am also planning on sending nag mail to all contributors to give them registration info. | 18:13 |
| SlickNik | That should go out in the next couple of days. | 18:13 |
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| SlickNik | #action SlickNik to send out registration info in email to trove contributors. | 18:14 |
| SlickNik | Any other questions regarding this? | 18:15 |
| amrith | yes | 18:16 |
| amrith | there was something last week | 18:16 |
| amrith | about a second quesiton you were going to add to the survey | 18:16 |
| amrith | and you were going to tell those who had registered | 18:16 |
| amrith | to provide you answers | 18:16 |
| amrith | not sure what the quesiton was | 18:16 |
| amrith | but my answer is 42. | 18:16 |
| SlickNik | It was around the Computer History Museum visit, IIRC. | 18:16 |
| amrith | 42 it is | 18:16 |
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| SlickNik | We're still trying to finalize a date for that — not sure if it will be on Wed or Thu. | 18:17 |
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| SlickNik | So I haven't added the question until we can get the right date. | 18:17 |
| amrith | ok, thanks! | 18:17 |
| SlickNik | I'm assuming that it being Wed/Thu would make a difference to the attendee list. | 18:18 |
| SlickNik | Since a lot of folks would be flying out on Thu. | 18:18 |
| SlickNik | So wanted to make sure of that. | 18:18 |
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| SlickNik | Any other questions? | 18:19 |
| SlickNik | . | 18:19 |
| SlickNik | #topic Open Discussion | 18:19 |
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| amrith | question about the build/ci failures. any updates on that? | 18:20 |
| SlickNik | So the setuptools issue has been fixed upstream | 18:21 |
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| SlickNik | And the fix for the devstack rabbitmq issue has also merged. | 18:22 |
| SlickNik | The former fixes the grenade failures we were seeing, and the latter fixes the functional tests (int-tests) | 18:22 |
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| SlickNik | So things should be running green right now — we had some trove code merge this morning IIRC. | 18:23 |
| amrith | ok, thx! | 18:24 |
| SlickNik | Just as a heads up — I'm looking to make the functional int-tests voting pretty soon. | 18:24 |
| SlickNik | They've been running green for a while now (other than this last devstack-break) | 18:25 |
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| SlickNik | I have an unrelated question for Open Discussion — will also send email about it. | 18:25 |
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| SlickNik | It's regarding canceling next week's meeting (Dec 24). | 18:26 |
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| SlickNik | Since I have a feeling attendance will be sparse. | 18:26 |
| amrith | +1 | 18:26 |
| johnma | +1 | 18:27 |
| SlickNik | Okay will send out an update on the ML. | 18:27 |
| vgnbkr | What about the 31st? It's on a Wednesday, too. | 18:28 |
| amrith | oh, that's another holiday in Canada, eh? | 18:28 |
| SlickNik | Same boat for the 31st. | 18:29 |
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| vgnbkr | No, but most offices seem to have most people leave by 1:00 or 2:00. | 18:29 |
| amrith | sure, works for me. | 18:29 |
| amrith | +1 | 18:29 |
| SlickNik | I was going to play it by ear for the 31st. | 18:29 |
| amrith | +0.5 | 18:30 |
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| SlickNik | If something crops up on the agenda, we can have the meeting — if not, I'll send out a cancellation a couple of days in advance. | 18:30 |
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| SlickNik | But I'm fine canceling early since it's NYE, and most folks will be away. | 18:31 |
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| SlickNik | We have #openstack-trove in case something does come up. | 18:32 |
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| SlickNik | Anything else for #open-discussion? | 18:34 |
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| SlickNik | . | 18:35 |
| SlickNik | #endmeeting | 18:35 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 17 18:35:20 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:35 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2014/trove.2014-12-17-18.01.html | 18:35 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2014/trove.2014-12-17-18.01.txt | 18:35 |
| SlickNik | Thanks all! | 18:35 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2014/trove.2014-12-17-18.01.log.html | 18:35 |
| amrith | thanks SlickNik | 18:35 |
| johnma | thanks | 18:35 |
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| bartash | Thanks | 18:35 |
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