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dhellmann#startmeeting oslo16:07
openstackMeeting started Fri Oct 24 16:07:32 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is dhellmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:07
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:07
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)"16:07
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'oslo'16:07
dhellmannsorry for starting a bit late!16:07
dhellmannwho else is here?16:07
rpodolyaka1o/16:07
shardyo/16:07
harlowja_at_homeyo16:07
viktorso/16:07
beekneemechMy calendar failed to remind me too.16:07
beekneemechGuess it's Friday for everyone. :-)16:08
bknudsonhi16:08
dhellmann#action dhellmann send an email reminder of the time change before our next meeting16:08
kgiustio/16:08
ihrachyshkao/16:08
dhellmannwe don't have a lot to go over this week16:08
dhellmanndid everyone have a chance to review the summit schedule?16:08
jecareyo/16:09
bknudsonlink?16:09
dhellmann#link http://kilodesignsummit.sched.org/overview/type/oslo#.VEp5rr5hUts16:09
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bknudsonwhat's reqd for liasons?16:10
dhellmannI tried to avoid known conflicts, but as usually we can only do so much16:10
dhellmannbknudson: we'd like you to be there for the wed 11:00 session "oslo graduation schedule" for sure16:10
dhellmannother than that one, I think it's safe for you to pick based on interest16:10
bknudsony, and lack of conflict with our own proj schedule16:11
dhellmannthe thurs 17:20 session "moving oslo away from namespace packages" will have an impact, but we'll be making the migration plan clear so it's safe to miss that one16:11
dhellmannbknudson: right. If there's something you especially want to be present for, I can try to juggle, but our options are pretty limited (I have at least 3 sessions I can't move because of other known conflicts)16:12
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bknudsonI'll just have 4 or 5 etherpads open16:12
dhellmannbetween now and the summit, we should review the existing specs because I anticipate having quite a few more after the summit16:12
dhellmann#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack%2Foslo-specs+is:open,n,z16:13
dhellmanndoes anyone have any red flags to raise this week?16:13
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harlowja_at_homenopers16:14
beekneemechAre we going to require the lib name prefix on specs you and ttx were discussing earlier?16:14
dhellmannoh, bknudson, the proposed session on encrypting/obscuring config files didn't make the cut in part because of lack of info -- do you and morganfainberg have a spec planned?16:15
bknudsonnot really a red flag but keystone is held back in the switch to oslo.config.16:15
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bknudsondhellmann: I hope to have time to put together a spec.16:15
dhellmannbknudson: what's holding you up? the config generator?16:15
bknudsondhellmann: y, switching to the config generator16:15
shardyactually, that's holding Heat up too16:16
shardyI wasn't sure how to migrate the generate_sample script16:16
bknudsonthere are reviews / bugs for the issues... I think there's a review for missing opts in oslo-incubator16:16
shardyAre there examples of how to handle that?16:16
bknudsonand then there's the bug I wrote up for the order of options in the generated file.16:16
dhellmannbknudson: I think https://review.openstack.org/#/c/113940/ should fix that, right?16:16
bknudsonshardy: let me point you to dolphs work in keystone.16:16
shardybknudson: thanks!16:17
bknudsondhellmann: yes, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/113940/ is needed16:17
dhellmannok, cores, let's see if we can review ^^ today or monday16:17
beekneemechack16:17
dhellmannoh, hrm, that's blocked on the patch for removing the log module16:17
bknudsonshardy: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/113905/ is the keystone work to switch16:17
dhellmannI should rebase that and add the logging options back to it16:17
bknudsonThe bug is https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo.config/+bug/1356591 -- "oslo-config-generator alphabetizes options"16:18
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1356591 in oslo.config "oslo-config-generator alphabetizes options" [Medium,Triaged]16:18
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bknudsonbut I can live without the bug fix since we're early in K.16:18
shardybknudson: most helpful, thanks :)16:18
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dhellmannbknudson: yeah, I think we could just emit the options in the order they are registered to give projects control over that16:19
dhellmannbeekneemech: good question about the spec prefix, I wanted to ask the group before proposing that we do it. Thoughts?16:20
beekneemechdhellmann: Seems like a good idea to me.16:20
beekneemechI don't know if everyone knows what we're talking about though. :-)16:21
dhellmannbeekneemech: oh, good point16:22
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beekneemechBasically the suggestion was to keep the single oslo-specs repo, but require that lib-specific changes have their title prefixed with the name of the lib.16:22
dhellmannwe already include the name of the lib in the spec, but this would make it easier to scan the list of reviews16:22
beekneemechYep16:23
dhellmannwe can go through gerrit and update the existing copies, but if someone submits an update they would have to preserve that change16:23
beekneemechYeah, I'm sure it will get missed a few times, but it's a start.16:24
dhellmannhow about if we give it a try and see if it makes reviews easier or harder16:24
dhellmanncan I get a volunteer to update the existing reviews through the gerrit UI?16:25
beekneemechwfm16:25
beekneemechI can do that.  There aren't too many open right now.16:25
dhellmannbeekneemech: thanks16:25
dhellmann#action beekneemech add lib name prefixes to titles for existing specs16:25
dhellmannwe should also make sure that each spec refers to its blueprint16:26
dhellmannI see a few that don't have the topic set, so I think that means they don't refer to the bp in their commit message16:26
beekneemechHmm, yeah16:27
dimsum_o/ sorry for the delay16:27
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dhellmannhi, dimsum_. no worries, we started a little late.16:27
dhellmannI don't see any specs ready to be approved, yet, but some seem like they're close. I'll check Monday to see where things stand after we've had a chance to review more.16:28
dhellmannare other people going to be travelling next friday? I was considering cancelling the meeting, since it's right before the summit16:28
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beekneemechI'm not, but that doesn't seem like the most productive meeting time either.16:29
dhellmannyeah16:30
dhellmanndoes anyone object to cancelling the meeting on oct 31?16:30
beekneemechProbably better if everyone spends the time brushing up on the summit topics.16:30
* dhellmann nods16:30
beekneemech+1 to no meeting16:30
dimsum_+1 to cancel16:30
rpodolyaka1+116:31
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dhellmannok,  liaisons we'll still (mostly) be on IRC so hit us up informally if you run into issues16:31
dhellmann#info no IRC meeting on Oct 3116:31
beekneemechMaybe I'll go trick-or-treating instead ;-)16:32
dimsum_yay16:32
dhellmann#info next IRC meeting 17 Nov 16:00 UTC in #openstack-meeting-alt16:32
dhellmannbeekneemech: haha16:32
dhellmannok, big question: who is going to be able to make it to the summit?16:32
harlowja_at_homeme16:33
dhellmanno/16:33
* shardy will be there16:33
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bknudson\o16:33
dhellmannoh, good, we'll have a nice turnout16:33
rpodolyaka1o/16:33
dhellmannrpodolyaka1, viktors: ?16:33
viktorsdhellmann: o/16:33
dhellmanncool16:33
dhellmannI know zzzeek said he wasn't going to make it this time around, but we can still talk about plans16:34
dhellmannI expect sileht and jd__ will be there, since it's only across town for them16:34
rpodolyaka1:)16:34
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dhellmannok, I think that covers everything we need to talk about this week, unless someone has another topic they would like to raise?16:35
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shardydhellmann: I was wondering if there's a defined deprecation proces for oslo-incubator?16:35
shardyref the request_id issues I ran into16:36
dhellmannshardy: sort of, yes, let me get that link16:36
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dhellmannah, ok, that was a special case because it shows up in config files16:36
dhellmann#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Oslo#Graduation16:37
dhellmannhrm, that's actually out of date with what we said we would do for kilo16:37
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dhellmannwe ran into issues holding old code in the incubator after graduation, because code that wasn't graduated didn't use the libraries so we had a few cases where multiple copies of code were in play in an app16:38
shardydhellmann: Yeah I guess it was, I was just thinking if deprecation warnings typically landed before the first milestone, it would (probably) maximize the chances of most projects syncing it16:38
dhellmannso for kilo we decided that after the first release of a library we would delete the incubator version and update the other code to refer to the lib16:38
shardyOr, a checkpoint for removal of code from incubator could be a sanity check that projects sync'd the warning16:38
shardyI guess in non-config-impacting cases, it doesn't matter so much though16:38
dhellmannshardy: we are actually trying to minimize the number of syncs a project needs to do at all, so once something starts graduating we try to cut down on changes16:39
beekneemechA lot of projects will never sync the warning though.16:39
dhellmannright ^^16:39
shardybeekneemech: Yeah, that's the problem I'm trying to solve :)16:39
dhellmannone of the reasons for the big push to graduate is that projects have stopped syncing16:39
shardyat first I thought only Heat failed to, but it was everyone :-O16:39
dhellmannonce we get them onto the library, they get bug fixes without having to do anything16:39
bknudsonat some point there's not much in oslo-incubator so might as well auto-propose.16:39
shardywe normally sync less regularly in the latter half of the cycle, which is why we missed it16:40
bknudsonauto-propose would probably work for keystone once we're synced to current16:40
shardybknudson: I thought that too, but in many cases there's API breaks which need project code fixup16:40
dhellmannyep, this is one of the important roles the liaisons play -- keeping projects informed of what's going on in oslo16:40
shardyor at least, historically that's been my experience16:40
beekneemechWe really don't want to be in a place with incubator where auto-propose even works.16:40
dhellmannshardy: right, that's the point of the incubator is it's safe to break apis in incubated modules16:41
beekneemechIf an API is stable enough for that, we should graduate it.16:41
dhellmannbeekneemech: ++16:41
beekneemechIf we end up with no code in oslo-incubator, \o/16:41
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dhellmannok, let's call the meeting early and spend 15 minutes reviewing specs16:43
beekneemechSounds good.16:43
shardysee you in Paris everyone :)16:43
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dhellmannyes, I'm looking forward to it!16:44
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dhellmannthanks everyone!16:45
dhellmann#endmeeting16:45
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rpodolyaka1thanks everyone! bye!16:45
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morganfainbergI'll be online shortly. No internet at home again. :(17:47
morganfainbergMoving to a coffee shop.17:47
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jd__dhellmann: sure we'll be there with sileht :)18:04
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dimsum_jd__: nice!18:17
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