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rushil1Hi15:01
bswartz#startmeeting manila15:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Oct 23 15:01:35 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'manila'15:01
bswartzhello all15:01
scottdahey15:01
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jasonsbhi15:01
vponomaryovhello15:01
dustins_o/15:02
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xyang1hi15:02
bswartzI didn't have a formal agenda but vponomaryov has fixed that15:02
lpabonhi15:02
bswartz#agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings15:02
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bswartzone thing quick before we start the agenda15:03
bswartz#topic design summit15:03
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bswartz#link http://kilodesignsummit.sched.org/15:03
bswartzthe topics we agreed on last meeting have been posted, since I didn't get any new suggestions since last week15:03
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bswartzit's still possible to change these, but only if someone has a really compelling idea15:03
bswartzif you want to suggest a change start a ML thread ASAP15:04
bswartzthat's all I have on the design summit15:04
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bswartzquestions before we move on?15:04
csababswartz: I sent a mall yesterday15:04
bswartzcsaba: oh yes15:04
bswartzcsaba: it wasn't clear to me that was a design summit session proposal15:05
bswartzis that how you intended it?15:05
bswartzor a topic for the manila team meetup?15:05
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bswartzpersonally I felt it made sense for the team meetup15:06
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csabahttp://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-October/049001.html15:06
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csabaYes my idea was for the summit originally15:07
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bswartzwell let's discuss it here15:07
vponomaryovcsaba: I guess team meetup is enough for it15:07
bswartzhopefully everyone has read the message or if not the link is there15:07
csabaOk thanks15:08
bswartzthe proposal seems pretty technical in nature\15:08
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xyang1design summit usually has a broader audience.  so code refactor fits better at the meetup15:08
bswartzI think we can discuss it as a team during the meetup -- I don't imagine that there's much cross-project interest here15:08
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rushil1csaba: I believe that this can be discussed but doesn't need a design slot15:09
bswartzokay I think there's agreement15:09
bswartzwe'll add this to the agenda for the meetup15:09
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bswartzby next week I'll collect all the topics that aren't being covered in the design summit and we'll form an agenda for the meetup15:10
bswartzthis one will definitely be included15:10
bswartztbh I don't know how much time we'll have on Friday for the meetup15:10
bswartzdoes anyone know?15:10
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vponomaryovI don't15:10
xyang1I don't either15:11
bswartzit appears to be a whole day Friday15:11
bswartzfrom 9AM-5:20PM15:11
csabarushil1: OK thanks for clarification, sounds good15:11
bswartzso 8 hours minus breaks and lunch15:11
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vponomaryovbswartz: there will be only one meetup?15:11
bswartzyou know I'm pretty fuzzy on the details15:12
bswartzI actually don't see manila listed here explicity as a meetup topic15:12
bswartzbut I've been told we'll have space15:12
xyang1Cinder has 9-12:30 on Friday15:12
vponomaryovso, I guess, it is some kind of flexible?15:12
xyang1that is posted15:12
bswartzyeah15:13
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bswartzregardless of how much time we'll have, we'll have too much to discuss15:13
bswartzso I'll take a stab at prioritizing the list and we'll get as far though it as we can15:13
bswartzexpect that for next week15:13
bswartznow back to our original agenda...15:14
bswartz#topic dev status15:14
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vponomaryovdev status:15:14
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vponomaryov1) Enhancement of share manager15:14
vponomaryovBP: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/enhance-share-manager15:14
vponomaryovgerrit:15:14
vponomaryov#link https://review.openstack.org/12984315:14
vponomaryov#link https://review.openstack.org/12984415:14
vponomaryovstatus: work in progress15:14
vponomaryov2) Manila share-networks-list API filtering:15:14
vponomaryovBP: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/improve-share-network-list-filtering15:15
vponomaryovgerrit, server: #link https://review.openstack.org/13014715:15
vponomaryovgerrit, cleint: #link https://review.openstack.org/12984915:15
vponomaryovstatus: work in progress15:15
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vponomaryov3) Manila snapshots list API15:15
vponomaryovBP: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/improve-snapshot-list-filtering15:15
vponomaryovserver: #link https://review.openstack.org/12874015:15
vponomaryovclient: #link https://review.openstack.org/12762215:15
vponomaryovstatus: ready for review15:15
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vponomaryovthat's the main15:15
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bswartzany question on the above?15:16
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bswartzcool15:17
bswartz#topic Kilo Network Changes15:17
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vponomaryov#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila15:17
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vponomaryov#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Kilo_Network_Changes15:18
bswartzso this is a work in progress15:18
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vponomaryovmain idea - propose and make opinions on networking changes15:18
bswartzAs everyone (hopefully) knows, we've been thinking about how to make Manila usable in a wider variety of use cases15:18
bswartzIn particular, the feedback I've gotten from developers trying to write drivers is that it's very hard15:19
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bswartzwe can/should make some changes to simplify configurations which have no reason to be complex15:19
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vponomaryovsuch as dependency on share-network15:20
vponomaryovas share-server set up15:20
bswartzI'm approaching this problem by first trying to enumerate all of the use cases that we want to serve so we can figure out which are/aren't served particularly well by the current design15:20
bswartzthen as we propose new designs, we can evaluate them against all of the use cases we want to address15:20
bswartzhopefully it goes without saying that any change we make should be a non-disruptive as possible to existing users15:21
bswartzbut I'm willing to create a v2 API if we determine that backwards compatibility can't be maintained for some new feature that we really need15:21
bswartzthe main proposals I'm making now are:15:22
bswartz1) Cross-tenant share servers15:22
bswartz2) Cross-tenant share networks15:22
bswartzlater I'll also be proposing mechanisms to run without neutron because various use cases demand that15:23
bswartzso this document is sort of a sneak peak at what I'll be proposing in Paris15:23
bswartzI intentionally made it a wiki so anyone can contribute and so that the design is out in the public15:24
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bswartzit's not really "done" though so don't judge it as such15:24
rushil1bswartz: We do plan to use the existing neutron setup for VLAN, VXLAN and GRE scenarios. Right?15:25
bswartzrushil1: neutron support isn't going away15:25
bswartzneutron is still the "preferred" network management layer15:25
bswartzwe just need to add alternatives15:25
vponomaryovbswartz: I guess rushil meant extend neutron support for different types of segmentation15:26
bswartzthat's a good question15:26
bswartzI think we can get around most of the complicated network segmentation issues using cross-tenant share servers/cross-tenant share networks15:26
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bswartzto address the hardest case, where we still want tenant-specific networks and share servers, and VXLAN/GRE is used, manila will need to be able to create new networks and routers, and that will rely on neutron APIs15:28
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bswartzhonestly that use case isn't high on my list of priorities though15:28
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bswartzgiven how many other more common use cases are not served well by the current design15:28
bswartzso we don't need to discuss the whole thing here15:30
bswartzlike I said this will be more complete next week and we'll discuss in paris15:31
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vponomaryovbswartz: do we expect some "polling" on use cases?15:31
bswartzpolling how?15:31
bswartzI think we have an intuition which are more common and which are less common15:31
vponomaryovbswartz: somehow on basis of "do consider this to implement"15:31
bswartzwe can write down those intuitions in the document -- about how common we think each case is15:31
rushil1bswartz: I think apart from the border scenario of simple network plugin, all the other scenarios can be reused from neutron.15:32
bswartzmy intention is to address ALL of the ones written down unless there's something specific about a particular use case that makes it hard/impossible to implement and we intentionally punt on it15:32
vponomaryovbswartz: implementation of some use cases can make code very difficult to support15:32
bswartzvponomaryov: can you give the names?15:33
vponomaryovbswartz: custom share-servers and mapping of it to manila entity15:33
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bswartzwhich use case is that?15:33
bswartzI'm just talking about the use cases at the top, not the design changes below15:34
vponomaryovbswartz: "How will the share server get imported into Manila? Conf file options? A new admin API?"15:34
bswartzokay don't worry about those for now15:34
bswartzthe design changes will be evaluated by considering how well they address the use cases, plus other considerations like how hard they are to implement/use15:34
bswartzI was just referring to the list of use cases -- I hope we can address all of them15:35
vponomaryovthis is "use case" and it does not fit well our current networking approach15:35
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bswartzwell a number of the use cases demand the ability to take a server that exists outside manila and manage it with manila15:36
bswartzwe can stipulate all kinds of requirements and prerequisites in order for that to work so that the implementation is not super difficult15:37
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vponomaryovcurrent design assumes Manila will create share servers15:37
bswartzI agree15:37
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bswartzthe proposed change is large, which is why we need to spend some time discussing it15:37
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bswartzbut I don't see a way to argue that it simply shouldn't be done15:37
bswartzthere are too many situations where it's unavoidable15:37
bswartzfor example consider glusterfs15:38
bswartzglusterfs simply won't be creating share servers -- it uses what exists15:38
vponomaryov bswartz: I mean, we can reconsider the approach itself15:38
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vponomaryov bswartz: but it will be much bigger change then extending existing one15:39
bswartzwhich approach do you want to reconsider? what we currently do now? or something that I've suggested?15:39
vponomaryovfirst one15:39
vponomaryovexisting15:39
bswartzI haven't ruled out the possibility that we may need a whole different driver to support the "manage existing server" use case15:39
bswartzideally a single driver could do both kinds of cases, but I think it's more important to meet user needs than to make developer's lives easy15:40
bswartzplus we can always refactor the implementation internally after we're happy with the external interfaces15:41
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bswartzokay15:42
bswartz#topic open discussion15:42
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bswartzanything else for today?15:42
bswartzI've managed to put you all asleep...15:43
bswartzwe'll have this meeting next week as planned15:43
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bswartzand obviously the following week is the summit so the IRC meeting is cancelled15:43
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bswartz#action bswartz by next week present a prioritized agenda for the manila team meetup15:44
bswartzwe will discuss the meetup topics and priorities next week15:44
bswartzcsaba: I'll include your suggestion -- thanks15:44
bswartzokay thanks all15:44
vponomaryovthanks15:45
bswartz#endmeeting15:45
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kozhukalov#startmeeting Fuel16:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Oct 23 16:00:13 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is kozhukalov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
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kozhukalovhi everyone16:00
akislitskyhi16:00
agordeevhi16:00
kozhukalov#chir kozhukalov16:00
christopheraedohello16:00
mihgenhi16:00
kozhukalov#chair kozhukalov16:00
openstackCurrent chairs: kozhukalov16:00
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kozhukalovxarses: thanx16:02
kozhukalovgo ahead16:02
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mihgenakasatkin - you might know something about it too?16:03
xarsescode needs review, last failures with bvt appear to be re-occuring issues with tests in general16:03
xarseshttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/9917916:03
xarses#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/9917916:03
mihgenanyone from QA on this feature?16:03
mihgenxarses: re-occuring issues - what are those?16:04
nurlayep, Tema & Yegor16:04
kozhukalovooops... quite big patch16:04
mihgennurla - artem_panchenko?16:04
akasatkinI don't know what was changed this week16:04
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xarsesmihgen: there was a bug rmoe filed about deployment timeout exceeded, in that the primary controller finishes but astute thinks it failed because lock file still existed16:04
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nurlamihgen: artem_panchenko ykotko16:05
mihgenoh looks like just another bug with astute trying to understand whether puppet alive or not16:05
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xarses#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/87400/16:05
mihgenso any news from artem_panchenko ykotko on this?16:06
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nurlahttps://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/138433216:06
xarses87400 is the library changes for this16:06
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1384332 in fuel "CentOS fails due to deployment timeout" [High,Confirmed]16:06
nurlathis bug?16:06
xarsesnurla: correct16:06
fungikozhukalov: you'll want to re-startmeeting since the meetbot left and rejoined right after you originally started16:06
mihgenthanks fungi16:06
kozhukalov#endmeeting16:07
kozhukalov#startmeeting Fuel16:07
openstackMeeting started Thu Oct 23 16:07:15 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is kozhukalov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:07
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kozhukalov#chair kozhukalov16:07
openstackCurrent chairs: kozhukalov16:07
kozhukalov#topic multiple L2 nets (rmoe)16:07
mihgenxarses: so what's up with library part? any major issues / blockers?16:07
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kozhukalovtopic is still the same16:07
mihgenCI still shows -1 there16:07
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xarsesmihgen: it will because it requires the nailgun changes to work16:08
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mihgenoh ok16:08
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mihgenso what's the overall feeling how far it's from being completed?16:08
akasatkinsome feedback from the last demo is here : https://mirantis.jira.com/wiki/display/PRD/Multiple+L2+networks+support+in+CLI16:09
kozhukalovfungi: thanx for your note about meetbot16:09
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xarsesmihgen: we should be able to have the bvt tests sorted in the next day or tow. So we are looking for reviewers so that we can merge as soon as possible16:09
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xarsess/tow/two16:10
mihgenxarses: ok thx16:10
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kozhukalov#topic stats collection (akislitsky)16:10
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akislitskywe have almost all backend changes in Nailgun for statistics. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/130518/ on review and we need to add more tasks tracking. ISO with changes is built and QA team test it. Also QA guys work on load testing of statistics collector. We still have number of issues on the collector side: river for Elasticsearch is not works with migrating Postgresql json fields, so we are implementing own migrati16:11
akislitskyon tool now. UI opt-in, opt-out pages are one review and UI for analytics reports are on the review too: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/130238/. Now we are testing whole dataflow of statistics and investigate possibility to use OpenStack API for collecting number of tenants and vms16:11
mihgenakislitsky: sounds good16:13
mihgenany news from devops part of the deal?16:13
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mihgenbasically a few things - stats collector deployment after each commit merge for QA/Dev purposes16:13
teranmihgen: we almost done16:13
mihgenofficial deployment16:14
teranmihgen: we have VMs, manual setup and manifests is a go16:14
mihgenand deployment public machine for community to see stats of Fuel usage16:14
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mihgenteran: where can we look for manifests?16:14
teranpackages are under OSCI team and AFAIK they're working16:14
mihgenwhat packages?16:15
teranmihgen: when they'll be done in review.f-i.org16:15
teranmihgen: for production deployment16:15
mihgenteran: can I review those?16:15
mihgenwhere they are now?16:15
teranmihgen: I need to ask OSCI team first16:16
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mihgenrvyalov: ^^^ ?16:17
nurlafrom qa side: guys are creating env for tests and tuning ytank for it16:17
mihgenhow osci is related actually?16:17
mihgenteran: do you need a repo for it or what16:18
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mihgennurla: that's good, thanks!16:18
teranmihgen: nope, we have deb-repo where we're planning to store those packages16:18
akislitskywe have ytank tests on review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/130468/16:19
teranmihgen: from OSCI we need simply packages to be built16:19
mihgenteran: simple question, where is the puppet deployment code16:19
mihgenreview16:19
mihgenwhich I can go over and -1 ;)16:19
teranmihgen: lol :)16:19
teranmihgen: AlexanderC working on it16:20
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teranmihgen: review will be created soon16:20
mihgenmonester_laptop: please share once it's done16:20
mihgenlet's move on16:20
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kozhukalovyea16:20
kozhukalov#topic gerrit for linux code at review.fuel-infra.org (rvyalov)16:20
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rvyalovwe deploy new gerrit instance. we moved all non openstack packages and openstack specs to new gerrit instance16:21
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mihgenrvyalov: is there a link to see all the repos at once?16:21
rvyalovmihgen review.fuel-infra.org16:22
rvyalovplease see Projects->lists16:22
teranrvyalov: do we have moved all CI's and other building stuff there?16:22
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rvyalovit is in progress16:23
teranrvyalov: ETA?16:23
rvyalovmaybe 7.016:23
mihgen:O16:24
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kozhukalovcool16:24
mihgennot optimistic16:24
mihgenlet's move it earlier16:24
kozhukalovmoving on?16:24
mihgenlet's discuss it later, yeah16:24
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kozhukalov#topic image based provisioning (agordeev)16:25
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agordeevhi16:25
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kozhukalovagordeev: hi16:25
agordeevat least image based provisioning itself works on both ubuntu and centOS systems. yay!16:25
agordeev few patchsets to fuel-main are still required to be merged someway to build the iso featured IBP16:25
agordeev#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103821/16:25
agordeev#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125421/16:25
agordeevand fuel-web16:26
agordeevhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/130284/16:26
kozhukalovafaik there are some mirror related issues16:26
agordeevmore detailed status:16:26
agordeevcentos seems to be very close to become completely operatable. QA reported that most of deploing/system tests passed.16:26
kozhukalovagordeev: cool16:26
agordeevso, expecting appearing a lot of bugs in forceeable future16:26
agordeevubuntu still needs more love. Few packages in mirror are still broken, cloud-init under question, need investigation and deeper dive. Hope to be finished before the next week ends16:26
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nurlaagordeev: * more love16:27
nurlacool16:27
mihgenagordeev: that's pretty good news16:27
mihgenI hope we can give required love to ubuntu by end of next week16:27
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nurla=)16:27
nurlaor it will be love us16:27
kozhukalovagordeev: thanx, sounds good16:27
mihgennurla: and enable systests for it too16:28
mihgenat least 1 test per OS16:28
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kozhukalov#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126909/16:28
nurlaAndrey hes review alreeady for imp16:28
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nurlakozhukalov: thx16:28
kozhukalovthis is PR for making it possible to launch system tests16:29
mihgenkozhukalov: it's not exactly what I wanted16:29
mihgenwhile we will be still running on cobbler everything16:29
mihgenI just want to add a few tests to run image-based16:29
nurlait'll be next step in testing16:29
mihgenwith your patch you will be able to run cobbler OR image-based, but not together16:29
mihgenok, I hope next step is coming sooner ;)16:30
nurlamihgen: yes)16:30
kozhukalovok, moving on then?16:30
mihgenyeah16:30
kozhukalov#topic diff upgrade tarball (kozhukalov)16:30
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kozhukalovmake part is ready and locally tested https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124734/16:31
kozhukalov#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124734/16:31
kozhukalovI've built 5.1->6.0 tarball16:31
kozhukalovand it turned out that ubuntu repo reduced 8 times16:32
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kozhukalovwhile centos is twice as small as original one16:32
kozhukalov#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/128323/16:33
kozhukalovthis patch is ready to be merged16:33
kozhukalovthere are 3 +116:33
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mihgenkozhukalov: anything else needed except these patches to be merged to complete the feature?16:33
kozhukalovtomorrow planning to start testing actual upgrade16:33
kozhukalovspec is still needs to be reviewed16:34
kozhukalovsorry, did not have enough time16:34
kozhukalov#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/121591/16:34
kozhukalovI think that is it16:34
kozhukalovah, forget16:35
kozhukalovof course we need DevOps cooperation for making jenkins jobs16:35
kozhukalovfor building diff upgrade tarballs16:35
mihgenwho is working from devops side on this?16:36
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kozhukalovstill noone16:36
kozhukalovwill ask them tomorrow16:36
mihgenteran: will you assign someone? we need it sooner than later16:36
kozhukalovthe reason is that make part was made yesterday night16:36
rvyalovmihgen: SergeyK is working on it © teran16:36
mihgenok16:37
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kozhukalovok, moving on16:37
kozhukalov#topic move fuel development docs to fuel-docs update (aedo)16:37
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mihgenchristopheraedo: ^^^16:38
christopheraedoI am in the final stages of moving the Fuel development documentation from fuel-web repo into fuel-docs repo.16:38
christopheraedoThis blueprint has the associated commit proposals16:38
christopheraedo#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/fuel-dev-docs-merge-fuel-docs16:38
christopheraedoRight now the Fuel CI server is failing commit proposal 125234 because the dependencies for building Fuel documentation have changed. The devops team will need to adjust the fuel-docs build environment to accomodate this.16:38
christopheraedoAll necessary dependencies are installed by running the script prep_doc_build_env.sh included in16:38
christopheraedo#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124551/16:38
christopheraedoAt this point, probably need most attention from devops side to get fuel-docs passing CI again, but other reviewers of the proposed commits would not hurt either16:38
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mihgenbookwar_: teran can you help with that thing? ^^^16:39
teranmihgen: sure, we can16:39
mihgen#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125234/16:40
mihgenthis one should be fixed?16:40
christopheraedoYes - that's the one16:40
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christopheraedoIssue is that to build docs now, it clones fuel-web in order to do autodoc API documentation16:40
christopheraedoso fuel-docs environment needs the same dependencies that used to be required to build docs under fuel-web/docs (i.e. nailgun stuff)16:41
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mihgenteran: will you help or someone from your team?16:42
bookwar_christopheraedo: let's continue this discussion in fuel-dev and fix the deps then16:42
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christopheraedobookwar_: sounds good16:42
mihgenchristopheraedo: thanks for working on this, looking forward to see it merged16:42
kozhukalovok, moving on then?16:43
christopheraedome too!16:43
kozhukalov#topic building openstack from master (brain461)16:43
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brain461Hello everyone16:43
brain461Entire feature is on its final stages. RPM part - already merged.16:43
brain461Updated feature spec for 6.0 is on review - you're welcome to provide input16:43
brain461#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/121116/16:43
brain461OpenStack deb building make system part is on development stage - corrections were proposed by kozhukalov.16:43
brain461I hope to finish preparing it for review tomorrow.16:43
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brain461#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/129314/16:43
brain461Note: we could start attempting to build community ISO when deb building part is ready16:43
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mihgenthanks brain46116:44
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mihgenbookwar_: do you think we can start creating jenkins job which can build ISO with vanilla openstack?16:45
mihgeneven centos for now to start would be fine16:45
bookwar_mihgen: no problems with that, we need to discuss a bit more where to put it16:46
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teranmihgen: you mean vanilla master openstack, right?16:46
mihgenbookwar_: ok, let's do it16:46
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mihgenteran: we probably should start with stable/juno16:47
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mihgenbrain461: rvyalov: or we can go ahead with master?16:47
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brain461we could try, but I'm not sure if will work out of the box, some corrections to specs could be required16:47
mihgenbrain461: ok, let's go step by step and start with stable/juno then16:48
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xarseswe probably should start with stable/juno since that may be a target for many people, and then later also run master16:49
kozhukalovok, looks like we have nothing more in agenda to discuss16:49
kozhukalov#topic Free discussion16:49
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mihgenjust a reminder where we are in the development cycle16:50
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mihgen#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Fuel/6.0_Release_Schedule16:50
mihgenwe are one week before feature freeze16:50
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mihgenso let's hurry up with feature-merging, but keep attention to bugs too - we can't allow our BVTs to be broken for more than couple of days16:50
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xarsesmihgen: how can we merge features if bvt's are broken at all?16:51
mihgenwe've fixed bvt today, so next 6.0 build shoud be green16:51
mihgenxarses: not at all. teran - can you start sooner our public nightly builds?16:51
mihgenso we can see green sooner unless we broke again by merging neutron upstream manifests16:52
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mihgenwhich I'm happy actually to see merged! thanks both xarses and xenolog for hard work on those patches for almost 2 months if not more..16:52
xarsesspeaking of neutron, wasn't it reverted or was it merged again?16:52
teranmihgen: yeah, we'll try. AFAIK we have building packages during the build already merged16:53
mihgenxarses: reverted first to make BVTs green first, then merged once BVTs passed as green16:53
mihgenbogdando: can you confirm it's fully merged?16:53
xarsesok16:53
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xarsesyep, looks merged16:54
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mihgen:)16:55
kozhukalovcool, ending?16:55
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mihgenyeah - thanks folks! see you next week16:55
kozhukalovthanx everyone16:55
kozhukalovgreat meeting16:55
kozhukalov#endmeeting16:55
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openstackMeeting ended Thu Oct 23 16:55:58 2014 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)16:56
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hyakuhei#startmeeting openstack security group17:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Oct 23 17:00:46 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is hyakuhei. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'openstack_security_group'17:00
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hyakuheiroll call peeps!17:01
rlppleAfternoon/Morning/Evneing all17:01
bknudsonhi17:01
tmcpeakHOLA17:01
shohel02hi17:01
sicarieo/17:01
swestonHi!!17:01
tkelseyhello17:01
elmikohi, i'm mainly listening but i have a question for open discussion time =)17:01
sarnold007hello all17:01
nkinderhi all17:01
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chair6'ello17:01
hyakuheiHey, so, the summit is less than two weeks away!17:01
hyakuheiWhat should we discuss today?17:02
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tmcpeakwell I'm sure we'll get OSSN status17:02
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tmcpeakbook?17:03
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nkinderyeah, OSSNs will be pretty quick17:03
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hyakuheiok lets start there17:03
hyakuhei#topic ossn17:03
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nkinderSo a number of issues were cleared out last week and published.17:04
nkinderSo there's just one in progress that's out for review (OSSN-0038)17:04
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nkinder#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/128636/317:04
tkelseythats mine i think, input welcome :)17:04
hyakuheiThanks tkelsey17:05
hyakuheiI think there still a few in the queue17:05
tkelseyyour welcome hyakuhei17:05
nkinderthere are a handful free for others to pick up - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn/17:05
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nkinderDoug has one thar he picked up, but there's not a patch proposed yet - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn/+bug/116356917:06
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1163569 in ossn "security groups don't work with vip and ovs plugin" [High,In progress]17:06
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tkelseyyeah, im supposed to be helping with that one, not had much time yet17:07
hyakuheiYeah that one was tricky iirc17:07
hyakuheiWe could discuss options for that now?17:07
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nkinderSure.  So what's the tricky part of that one?17:07
tmcpeakfirst of all it's hard to test I think17:08
tkelseyI think there is some missing or confusing info, is Doug about, he woulf know more17:08
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hyakuheiI'll ping him on skype see if he can join us17:08
tmcpeakit seems to need a lot of setup and domain knowledge17:09
tkelseyyeah tmcpeak17:09
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hyakuheiPinged dg, no reply, assume he's not joining17:10
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tkelseyshame, his input would have been good. I guess I'll try and look at it tomorrow17:10
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hyakuheiYeah, so I think it's as tmcpeak said, if you don't work with it much this is confusing17:11
tkelseysure17:11
nkinderok, so perhaps tapping a developer from the area would be best here17:11
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tmcpeak+117:11
hyakuheiKnow any friendly ones ? :P17:11
tkelsey+117:11
nkinderprobably worth just having Doug join the neutron weekly meeting to bring it up17:12
nkinderor reach out to the current PTL17:12
hyakuheiDepending on what timezone they run that in, sure.17:12
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hyakuheiOk, I'll chat with dg about it tomorrow :)17:13
swestonI can bring it up to Kyle17:13
nkindersweston: thanks!17:13
hyakuheiYeah, that'll be really helpful17:14
nkinderI don't think there's much more on OSSNs17:14
swestonnkinder:  sure, if you still want to ping Doug, feel free to bring me in ... I'll be here all day!!17:14
nkinder...aside from mentioning that we're almost up to 40 notes now!17:14
bdpayne_:-)17:14
tkelseygood work all :)17:14
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nkinderIt's come a long way17:14
hyakuhei+117:14
tmcpeakyeah, we've more than doubled in a few months17:15
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nkinderand there are lots of authors now too17:15
swestonWho hoo ... on that "note", I'll take https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn/+bug/132921417:16
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1329214 in cinder "tgtadm iscsi chap does not work" [Critical,Fix released]17:16
tkelseynice sweston17:16
swestonunless somebody else wants it :-)17:16
nkindersweston: great!  Any help you need, just ask.17:17
hyakuheiI think it's all yours :P17:17
swestonhehe, sure .. I'll ask for help if I need to, thanks!!17:17
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tkelseysweston: you get bonus points for the pun :-P17:18
hyakuheiok, any other OSSN stuff?17:18
swestontkelsey: :-D17:18
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nkinderNope.  That's it.17:19
hyakuheiok, next up on the agenda, elmiko - what did you want to discuss?17:19
elmikowell, i'm chairing a session for Sahara on security17:19
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elmikoi have a few topics prepared, but i wanted to reach out and see if anyone might be able to help me find topics that we might be missing currently17:20
hyakuheiCoolio, how can we help17:20
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hyakuheiI'm not very familiar with Sahara today - anyone got anything to contribute?17:20
elmikowe have a few areas that we improved during juno, but i'm curious how much more can we find17:20
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tmcpeakelmiko: do you have a list?17:20
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elmikotmcpeak: so far, we will talk about a new security group feature, and the new domain proxy feature. i'm still assembling more topics17:21
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nkinderelmiko: I know we discussed some things about keystone trusts quite a while back17:21
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elmikowhat i'm really curious about are more general threats that a sahara user/operator should be aware of17:21
tmcpeakelmiko: ok, are you looking for features, hardening your existing code, both?17:21
elmikonkinder: yes! and it helped us implement a new feature based around that17:21
elmikotmcpeak: both ideally17:22
hyakuheielmiko: maybe an email to the security mailinglist would be useful too?17:22
elmikohyakuhei: awesome idea, is that the openstack-dev list with an [ossg] on it?17:22
nkinderelmiko: ok, so I wonder if starting with a security audit page for sahara would be a good start too.17:22
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bdpayne_elmiko openstack-security mailing list17:23
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tmcpeaknkinder: +117:23
elmikonkinder: that would be great17:23
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hyakuheihttp://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-security17:23
hyakuheielmiko: ^17:23
nkinderelmiko: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Security/Juno17:23
elmikohyakuhei: tnx17:23
hyakuheiAlthough -dev with [ossg] _should_ work17:23
nkinderI suppose it's time I create a Kilo page17:24
hyakuheiOooh!17:24
elmikonkinder: is there anything i can do to help get the audit under way?17:24
hyakuheiAudit's are _really_ time intensive17:25
nkinderelmiko: yeah, let me create a placeholder page after the meeting and you can look at the existing one for Keystone to get an idea of the info to collect.17:25
elmikonkinder: awesome17:25
nkinderhyakuhei: not bad if you have experience with the project/code though17:25
hyakuheibest bet right now is to find one or two devs who are interested and setup a meet in Paris to lay the groundwork17:25
bknudsonI think we should have discussions on -dev rather than the security list17:25
elmikohyakuhei: i'm willing to put some time in on it, if it's something that i can tackle17:25
hyakuheinkinder: +1 going in cold is the worst17:25
hyakuheielmiko: It's so much easier with someone who knows the code17:26
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nkinder#action nkinder to create kilo 'security info' page and a sahara template17:26
elmikohyakuhei: for sure, and i'm interested in being part of the process17:26
shohel02And if we want more extensive, we can go some high level Threat analysis on Shara17:26
elmikoshohel02: i think that's something that would be useful for the devs and our end-users17:27
elmikoon a more general level, i am looking to gain an insight into the type of issues we should be looking for as an openstack project17:27
elmikothese are the types of things i'd like to talk about at summit with our devs17:27
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hyakuheiheh, that's a long list17:28
elmikoi'll bet ;)17:28
hyakuheiSomething we can help with though :)17:28
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tkelsey+1 elmiko hyakuhei17:28
rlppleSorry cant help too much today   need to leave for 'nother meeting17:28
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elmikoi'm trying to avoid covering topics that might be better addresses in other areas, for example should we talk about general networking configurations that might be out of scope for sahara?17:28
nkinderelmiko: you'll be at the Summit then?17:28
elmikonkinder: yes17:29
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elmikofor those who haven't explored sahara, we are providing a data processing solution for openstack17:29
elmikoso we are building clusters with hadoop, spark, and the like17:29
hyakuheioh hai dg__17:29
tkelseyinteresting stuff elmiko17:30
elmikotalking about security within our clusters is one thing, but talking about threats to the stack i feel is a bigger issue17:30
dg__hyakuei hi, think i need to kill my outlook calendar17:30
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elmikofor example, should we be worried about an attacker being able to infiltrate a project and thus gain access to the cluster and swift instances, or is that a more general openstack security concern?17:30
hyakuheiThere's a point where attack vectors become shared17:31
hyakuheibut that can be influenced in many ways17:31
hyakuheiWe need a whiteboard and pretty pictures ;)17:31
elmikoyea, i'm really trying to be that with regards to the topics we should discuss17:31
elmiko*to be sensitive to that17:32
hyakuheiMakes sense17:32
elmikobut it sounds like we've generated some good topics. we can certainly talk about getting ready for an audit, and the possibility of doing higher level threat analysis17:32
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hyakuheiI'd love to do some threat analysis on Sahara17:33
elmikoi might have missed it, was there a link to page about audits?17:34
elmikohyakuhei: cool!17:34
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tmcpeakhyakuhei: yeah, threat analysis sounds good17:35
shohel02security audit... this one https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Security/Juno17:35
shohel02nikander posted earlier17:35
elmikoshohel02: ahh, thanks. got that one, thought i missed one17:36
nkinderelmiko: here's a skeleton - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Security/Kilo/Sahara17:36
elmikonkinder: awesome, thanks17:36
nkinderelmiko: look at the Juno keystone one for an idea.  I'll create the Kilo one for Keystone today17:36
elmikocool17:36
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elmikothanks everybody, this is great. i'll have a few more issues we should be talking about within Sahara, and expect me to haunt the OOSG sessions looking to talk more =)17:37
elmiko*OSSG17:37
tmcpeakelmiko: sounds good17:37
hyakuheicool, any other agenda items?17:38
tkelseyelmiko: good stuff.17:38
tkelseyso i have some SecImpact numbers17:38
bdpayne_I'd like to talk about a couple of things17:38
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bdpayne_tkelsey is welcome to go first :-)17:38
tkelseyok, thanks bdpayne_17:38
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tkelseyso I ran a hacky script against gerrit looking for SecImpact changes, I have some numbers17:39
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tkelseyI'll put them into a pastbin I guess17:39
hyakuhei#topic Security Impact17:39
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tkelseyhttp://pastebin.com/TuDfph6U17:40
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tkelseythe main take away is that 29 changes got merged that had SecImpact but no OSSG input17:41
hyakuheiSo what's good/bad mean?17:41
hyakuheibut 25 did have input ?17:41
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tkelseyyes17:41
hyakuheiThat's better than I thought tbh17:41
tkelseybad == no OSSG, or -1 from OSSG17:41
hyakuheiCan you do stats on who contributed from OSSG17:41
tkelseygood = +1 or 0 from OSSG17:41
tkelseyyes i can get names17:41
hyakuheihmm, so I think -1 from OSSG is still 'good' in this context?17:41
nkindertkelsey: I'm interested in knowing is OSSG looked at it at all17:42
nkinder...regardless of score17:42
bdpayne_yeah17:42
hyakuheiOSSG looked at something - yay17:42
tkelseysure, ok :-) not hard to change things for that metric17:42
bdpayne_this is great to have the data... and something that we should track regularly17:42
hyakuheieven so, takeaway from this is we're likely responding to over 50% of requests17:42
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bdpayne_perhaps each month or each quarter17:42
hyakuheiYup17:42
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hyakuheiThanks for this tkelsey17:42
bdpayne_indeed, thanks17:42
nkinder+117:42
tkelseybdpayne_: sure, I can handle doing this at intervals17:42
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bdpayne_tkelsey if you can provide the raw numbers, I could figure out a nice visualization to track this over time17:43
bdpayne_just ping me to remind me that I said this ;-)17:43
tkelseysure thing bdpayne_17:43
tkelseyhaha no problem17:44
hyakuheiSomething Stacklytics-esk?17:44
bdpayne_yeah17:44
* bdpayne_ likes visualizations17:44
tkelseythat would be very nice17:44
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hyakuheiGreat stuff, thanks Tim!17:44
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tkelseywell thats all I had, just wanted to put the data out there. I'll clean things up and give bdpayne_  the info17:45
hyakuheiRight bdpayne_ you had something you wanted to discuss ?17:45
tkelseyhyakuhei: thanks17:45
bdpayne_yeah17:45
bdpayne_a couple of things17:45
bdpayne_but I can be briefish17:45
bdpayne_1) Elections!17:45
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hyakuhei#topic Elections17:45
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bdpayne_We have an election going on this week17:45
e-vadwoo!17:45
bdpayne_Polls will close on Monday morning (pacific time)17:45
hyakuheiScary stuff.17:45
bdpayne_currently 41/91 people have voted17:45
bdpayne_would love to see more votes17:46
chair6vote early, vote often!17:46
hyakuhei+117:46
bdpayne_so please go ahead and vote if you haven't already17:46
hyakuheiThat's a pretty decent sized electorate17:46
bdpayne_also... just a placeholder here, but I think post-election we should have a discussion about electorate qualification going forward17:46
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bdpayne_but, regardless, we have 91 people in the electorate and 41 that have voted already17:47
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bdpayne_so that's a reasonable sized group17:47
bdpayne_OSSG is growing17:47
bdpayne_and by that I mean that active community17:47
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bdpayne_nice work everyone :-)17:47
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bdpayne_any questions on the elections?17:47
tmcpeakwooohoo17:47
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hyakuheiIt's always good to review these things17:48
bdpayne_ok, let's move on to my next topic17:48
bdpayne_2) OSSG track at the summit17:48
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hyakuhei#topic OSSG track17:48
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bdpayne_we have talked about setting up a space for OSSG people to chat at the summit17:48
hyakuheiTuesday was looking good for that, not 100% sure ?17:48
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bdpayne_I would like to see us pick a day or 1/2 day to have a semi-formal track17:48
bdpayne_at least, planned topics in time slots17:48
tkelseybdpayne_: +117:48
bdpayne_do we have an etherpad to track topics?17:48
hyakuheiWe _did_17:49
bdpayne_hrm17:49
hyakuheibut I confess I didn't make a note of it.17:49
bdpayne_anyone know the link?17:49
hyakuheiI'll circulate an email with it after the meeting, once I've updated the mnutes17:49
hyakuhei*minutes17:49
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bdpayne_ok, sounds good17:49
bdpayne_I'd like to have a book discussion in one of the slots17:49
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bdpayne_and I will probably have some other ideas too :-)17:50
bdpayne_ok, I think that's all I have for today17:50
swestonbdpayne_: +1 for books17:50
hyakuhei#topic any other business17:50
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hyakuheiThanks bdpayne_17:50
e-vadre: other topics17:51
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e-vadhave we talked about mentorship for folks wanting to jump in to ossg stuffs but unsure where to start?17:51
tmcpeake-vad: the channel is a good place to find help17:51
bdpayne_we have talked a bit about this in the past, but it would be good to do more here17:51
tmcpeaknormally at least somebody is around to point you in the right direction17:52
bdpayne_but people need to know to go into the channel17:52
tmcpeakahh, solid point17:52
bdpayne_we need a super nice easy intro doc17:52
hyakuheiYeah, there's occasionally people reaching out on the ML too17:52
bdpayne_and that needs to be easy to find17:52
e-vadsome of that could be as easy as update our wiki page some17:52
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bdpayne_perhaps an email sent to people that join the launchpad group17:52
bdpayne_and an updated wiki page, yeah17:52
hyakuheiboth good points17:53
shohel02and probably with some example .. .e.g., start with filing bugs in book, or writing OSSN17:53
bdpayne_so there is a wiki with this goal in mind17:53
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bdpayne_but it could use some updating17:53
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hyakuheiWe do have some 'how to contribute' text already that bdpayne_ wrote iirc17:54
bdpayne_https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Security/How_To_Contribute17:54
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bdpayne_and some intro text on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Security17:54
bdpayne_those are good places to improve17:54
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e-vadyup17:55
e-vadthe docbook bits could use a link out to one of anne gentle's preso's on working with docbooks and contributing to openstack docs17:55
e-vadit's not the most straightforward thing to do17:56
e-vadi guess then, i'll volunteer to take a look over said wiki and see what can be poked17:56
bdpayne_cool, thanks17:56
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e-vadas part of the ossg track at the summit we should do a thing as well17:57
hyakuheibdpayne_:Etherpad for the summit17:57
hyakuhei#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ossg-kilo-summit17:57
bdpayne_ahh17:57
bdpayne_thanks17:57
hyakuheiNp.17:57
e-vadhelp folks get signed up, involved, maybe dissect an ossn17:57
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hyakuheiIts definitely time we looked at that stuff again, made the ossg a bit more welcoming17:59
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elmikofwiw, my experiences with OSSG have been really positive so far. kudos to you all17:59
e-vad+117:59
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hyakuheiThats a great note to wrap on guys!18:00
tkelseythanks elmiko :-)18:00
hyakuheiThank you all!18:00
hyakuhei#endmeeting18:00
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openstackMeeting ended Thu Oct 23 18:00:10 2014 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)18:00
tkelseygood meeting all18:00
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2014/openstack_security_group.2014-10-23-17.00.html18:00
hyakuheiSorry, out of time.18:00
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2014/openstack_security_group.2014-10-23-17.00.txt18:00
tmcpeaksee ya18:00
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2014/openstack_security_group.2014-10-23-17.00.log.html18:00
swestonthanks!!18:00
nkinderthanks!18:00
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SergeyLukjanov#startmeeting sahara18:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Oct 23 18:01:17 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is SergeyLukjanov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.18:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.18:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'sahara'18:01
crobertsrhhello/18:01
SergeyLukjanovsahara folks, ping18:01
toskyhi18:01
elmikoo/18:01
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SergeyLukjanov#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SaharaAgenda18:03
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SergeyLukjanov#topic sahara@horizon status (crobertsrh, NikitaKonovalov)18:03
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SergeyLukjanovcrobertsrh, NikitaKonovalov, please18:03
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crobertsrhIt seems like the sahara-dashboard tests have been hosed down a bit this week18:03
crobertsrhI need to circle back and see their state18:04
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crobertsrhThere are a few fixes up for review on the horizon side, hopefully on their way to approval18:04
SergeyLukjanovyeah, horizon folks has been shocked  :)18:04
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SergeyLukjanovcrobertsrh, great18:04
NikitaKonovalov_There is only one bug fix from me on the review, and it's a minor one18:04
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SergeyLukjanovI hope to stabilize our ui tests and enable them for horizon18:04
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crobertsrhI'm going to start an etherpad for the UI talk that NikitaKonovalov and I will be leading @ summit.18:04
SergeyLukjanovcrobertsrh, great!18:05
NikitaKonovalov_crobertsrh: please share it, I've got some thoughts to add there18:05
crobertsrhwill do18:05
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crobertsrh#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-sahara-ui-discussion18:06
crobertsrhNo content yet :)18:06
NikitaKonovalov_As for now, I'm going to add a few changes so that our panels wokr correctly in multi-region OpenStack18:06
SergeyLukjanovcool, work started :)18:06
NikitaKonovalov_the API can handle that already18:07
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SergeyLukjanov#topic News / updates18:07
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SergeyLukjanovfolks, please18:07
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SergeyLukjanovI've been mostly occupied by the release and internal things last week18:08
dmitrymeI’ve spent some time discussing kilo features and roadmap with folks18:08
tmckayI've been poking at test errors. crobertsrh, I think we're done with the fake CR, correct?18:08
elmikoi've been working on 3 areas, 1. researching API working group and improvements that we might make towards an api-ref, 2. digging into bug#1306505, which i have questions about, and 3. gathering topics for the security discussion at summit.18:09
crobertsrhtmckay, yes18:09
SergeyLukjanovwe've already have several internal sessions to prepare to the design summit18:09
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elmiko#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-summit-sahara-security-session18:09
SergeyLukjanov#130650518:09
crobertsrhThere was some interest in the channel today from a guy looking to create a SUSE image to use with Sahara.  Sounds like they don't plan on using DIB, but using their own tooling instead.18:09
elmikoif anyone has thoughts about the security discussion ^^18:09
alazarevI've created proposals for indirect VM access and auth policies18:10
sreshetnyakI'm working on Spark and Hue support for Cloudera plugin18:10
SergeyLukjanovcrobertsrh, yeah, I've just read the logs18:10
tmckayalso, I just finally tracked down why we have an intermittent unit test error in sahara related to os_region_name.  It's because the recent mapr tests set os_region_name = None explicitly.  Breaks the __getattr__ in oslo, and if that test runs in the same worker as swift_config tests or test_url_for regions and runs first they will fail18:10
SergeyLukjanovcrobertsrh, sounds like dib should suport suse eventually18:10
crobertsrhYeah, if there is demand for it, for sure18:10
tmckayI'll add a bug and fix it18:11
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* tmckay hates intermittent test failures more than anything18:11
SergeyLukjanovtmckay, oh... gold star achieved!18:11
tmckay:)  hurray!18:11
alazarevelmiko, added auth policies to the list18:11
alazarevelmiko, I mean into etherpad18:11
SergeyLukjanovelmiko, alazarev, yeah, policy.json is a good topic to talk about18:12
elmikoalazarev: +1 thanks18:12
alazarevMy https://review.openstack.org/#/c/130385/ covers only possibility to add policy18:12
aignatovMinimum settings to register image?18:12
elmikoaignatov: i've had it reject my account on image register18:12
alazarevhave no idea about right content18:12
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tmckayI want to start looking at swift configs for spark, maybe try some things before Summit so we can talk about how to support it18:13
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tmckaythe trick is getting the swift auth stuff into the hadoop context for Spark, might have to be through a base class or something18:14
SergeyLukjanovtmckay, sounds nice18:14
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tmckayoozie does this for us, by the way (excecpt for Java jobs.  similar problem, but at least oozie distributes a config file to read)18:14
SergeyLukjanovokay, let's move on to the design summit discussion18:14
SergeyLukjanov#topic Design Summit @ Paris18:15
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SergeyLukjanov#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-sahara-summit-topics18:15
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SergeyLukjanovso, I've used the feedback for etherpad and prev. experiense of our design summits18:16
SergeyLukjanovand I'm proposing the following sessions on sumit itself18:16
SergeyLukjanovEDP discussions (new features, plans, direction review)18:16
SergeyLukjanovUX discussion18:16
SergeyLukjanovProduction, long living, large Sahara clusters18:16
SergeyLukjanovSahara HA, production use cases18:16
SergeyLukjanovSahara's OpenStack integration and Security18:16
SergeyLukjanovwe already have chairs for them18:17
SergeyLukjanovcrobertsrh and NikitaKonovalov for UI stuff18:17
SergeyLukjanovtmckay for EDP18:17
SergeyLukjanovaignatov and dmitryme for #3 and #4 (prod ofr both Sahara and it's clusters)18:17
SergeyLukjanovSergeyLukjanov for OpenStack integration18:17
SergeyLukjanovand elmiko for security18:18
tmckay+2, great plan18:18
SergeyLukjanovso, please, share you thoughts18:18
tmckaylet's go with it :)18:18
elmikoSergeyLukjanov: we have those 5 and then a 1/2 day meetup as well?18:18
SergeyLukjanovif there is no objections - I'll push the preliminary plan to the http://kilodesignsummit.sched.org18:18
tmckayelmiko, plus the parties.  Don't forget the parties.18:18
SergeyLukjanovelmiko, yup18:18
SergeyLukjanovand plus pod for the whole summit18:19
tmckaywe can do a lot of work there18:19
elmikois dancing considered work?18:19
aignatov+2 for the plan above18:19
SergeyLukjanovso, we'll need a list of topics for 1/2 day meetup too18:19
elmikoSergeyLukjanov: +1 to the plan18:19
tmckayif you design something while you're doing it, yes18:19
elmikolol18:19
SergeyLukjanovdancing design approach18:19
elmikoand can remember it the next day... ;)18:19
aignatovalso I think it would be great to have a miniplan for 1/2 meetaup18:19
SergeyLukjanovlike TDD but DDD18:19
tmckaybetter blood flow, better ideas18:19
elmikolol @ DDD18:20
tmckayaignatov, +1 good iead18:20
elmikoaignatov: +118:20
tmckayidea even18:20
SergeyLukjanovaignatov, yeah, we need to have list of topics for it18:20
mattf1/2 day should include talks from peer projects18:20
aignatovnot a plan actually but  a  list of hot topics don’t to forget18:20
SergeyLukjanovaignatov, and it'll be great to have some schedule to make other folks able to attend interested topics18:20
SergeyLukjanovmattf, all projects will have their own meetups at this time, so, I'm not sure that it'll be easy to organize peers from other projects18:21
mattfthat's too bad18:21
SergeyLukjanovadditionally, I'd like to ask someone w/ native english to help me writing good description for design summit sessions18:22
mattfhaving them all at once means they're not a good opportunity for project collab18:22
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mattfinstead we can do a tech readout to the community18:22
SergeyLukjanovmattf, yeah, but we'll be in one big room with some other projects (I think Heat for ex.), so, we'll be able to collaborate18:22
elmikoSergeyLukjanov: i can help with descriptions18:23
crobertsrhI can help18:23
SergeyLukjanovelmiko, thanks!18:23
crobertsrhdarn, you're too fast elmiko :)18:23
elmikoi can help get crobertsrh setup to help =)18:23
tmckayjinx, someone buy someone a soda18:23
SergeyLukjanovcrobertsrh, thx too, I'll ping both of you :)18:23
crobertsrhheh18:23
SergeyLukjanovthe Paris summit venue will be much smaller than Atlanta ones18:24
elmikoyea, more eyes are definitely better18:24
SergeyLukjanovthat's why we have not so many sessions18:24
SergeyLukjanovprobably the Vankuver venue will be significantly bigger18:24
mattfthe schedule and topics proposed in the pad look good18:25
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SergeyLukjanovmattf, great18:25
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SergeyLukjanov#agreed design summit sessions: EDP, UX, OpenStack integration + Security, Prod Sahara, Prod Sahara clusters18:26
SergeyLukjanov#topic Open discussion18:27
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mattfteam outing in paris?18:27
crobertsrh+118:27
elmiko+118:27
tmckay+118:28
crobertsrhHeh....nobody else wants to hang out with us18:28
elmiko=(18:28
tmckaymuseum? Eiffel Tower?18:28
mattfyeah, wow18:28
* SergeyLukjanov googling the phrase translation18:28
SergeyLukjanovoh18:28
SergeyLukjanov+118:28
SergeyLukjanov:)18:28
* mattf grins18:28
crobertsrhbilliards lounge tmckay?18:29
mattfegad!18:29
dmitryme+!18:29
aignatov+118:29
NikitaKonovalov_+118:29
mattfwhich evening is open?18:29
* SergeyLukjanov and DinaBelova find some nice places in paris this summer18:29
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SergeyLukjanovmattf, we'll know about it only next week, not all invites sent18:29
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elmikomattf: thursday has no official parties18:29
tmckaybilliards, I'll have to practice18:30
mattftmckay, ha!18:30
SergeyLukjanovfolks, when you're arriving/departing?18:30
crobertsrhIn Sunday morning @ 8:00;  Out:  Saturday morning early18:30
mattfi fly out fri afternoon (attending a wedding on sat am)18:30
tmckay11am Nov 1, 2pm (?) Nov 818:30
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elmikoarrive nov2, leave nov818:30
elmikomattf: oooph18:31
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mattfi'm gonna be tired18:31
tmckayOops, arrive Nov 218:31
dmitrymeme, aignatov and ruhe arriving at midday Nov 2 and leaving at morning Nov 918:31
mattflet's tentatively assume thur 6th for a team event18:31
aignatovdmitryme: not midday, evening18:32
dmitrymemattf: still, I am not sure 6th will be avialable for me18:32
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mattfdmitryme, hmmm18:32
mattf17th, nice18:32
aignatovI’m not sure as well for 6th18:33
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* dmitryme checked the tickets and agreed with aignatov: we arrive at the eventing18:33
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tmckayI was thinking of taking a train to London Friday night, then back for the plane on Sat :)  Probably not.18:33
SergeyLukjanovin fact, for Mirantis folks, there is some internal event at 6th evening, I'm not sure what is it18:33
SergeyLukjanovwill see on summit :)18:34
mattfahh18:34
mattfok, let's see when the full schedule gets posted18:34
SergeyLukjanovtmckay, for Russians, we need to obtain a diffrent VISA to go to London18:34
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elmikoi have a couple questions about, https://bugs.launchpad.net/sahara/+bug/130650518:35
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1306505 in sahara "EDP does not accept Swift container as collection of job binaries" [Medium,Triaged]18:35
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aignatovSergeyLukjanov: really? I didn’t know about that18:35
tmckayelmiko, what questions?18:35
elmikohow should we handle sub-containers(e.g. pseudo-directories) and what about fliename globbing?18:35
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elmikotmckay: you had a suggestion about the globbing in the comments18:36
tmckayelmiko, I would use the swift client download as a guide18:36
tmckayI believe it splits on / and makes dirs out of them18:36
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aignatovAlso I hope I will have a time to visit this event http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/season=2015/matches/round=2000548/match=2014357/prematch/player-lists/index.html18:36
aignatov:)18:36
tmckayhmm, I forget what I wrote :)18:36
* tmckay reads18:36
elmikoaignatov: lol, nice!18:36
SergeyLukjanovaignatov, ask Sergey Brook :)18:37
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elmikotmckay: my main question is, if you pass the head of a container (e.g. swift://bin/), and it contains a subdir, how should we handle the subdir?18:38
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elmikolike, if you have a container named "bin" with entries "foo.jar" and "bar/baz.jar", i'm thinking we should skip the subdir18:38
SergeyLukjanovoh, I have one more thing to discuss, we need to have a documentation liaison18:39
SergeyLukjanovhttps://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons#Documentation18:39
elmikobut i'm not sure what the proper thing to do is18:39
tmckayoff the cuff, I would expect "bin" to be uploaded to hdfs, with subdirs defined by /18:39
SergeyLukjanovanybody want to volunteer?18:39
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crobertsrhI can give it a go18:39
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tmckaydoh, beat me18:39
tmckaywe can have 2 :) ?18:40
SergeyLukjanovwe need to have one18:40
SergeyLukjanovthat'll be responsible for it18:40
tmckayk, crobertsrh18:40
* crobertsrh is very responsible...sometimes18:40
SergeyLukjanovthe man who I could ask and Doc team could ask too18:40
SergeyLukjanov:)18:40
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SergeyLukjanovcrobertsrh, thx, I'm going to write your name to the wiki page18:40
crobertsrhGreat18:40
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SergeyLukjanovcrobertsrh, will you be able to attend meetings?18:40
crobertsrhYep18:41
SergeyLukjanovcrobertsrh, awesome!18:41
SergeyLukjanovthx18:41
crobertsrhLooks like it's a good time for me18:41
SergeyLukjanovin fact we need to have a liaison for qa too18:41
SergeyLukjanovbut it's a bit unclear who should do it :)18:42
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SergeyLukjanovmattf, lol :)18:42
elmikoi didn't wanna say it, but since mattf did ;)18:42
tmckay+1, tosky tosky18:43
aignatovSergeyLukjanov: just write his name :)18:43
SergeyLukjanovI'll figure out the details and than we could return to this q.18:43
SergeyLukjanovaignatov, I have his name in my list :)18:43
elmikoaignatov: lol18:43
tmckayhe didn't speak up, so he must be happy with it18:44
aignatovtmckay: lol18:44
toskyehm18:44
tmckayoh, hi :)18:44
toskyis it a matter of... attending meetings and checking logs?18:44
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SergeyLukjanovtosky, sounds like this... and helping doing everything related to sahara18:45
SergeyLukjanovso, the liaisons idea is to help in cross-projects coordination, especially for horizontal projects18:45
toskyok, is there a list of duties/page to subscribe/etc?18:47
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SergeyLukjanovtosky, not yet, all info is on the wiki page18:47
SergeyLukjanovelmiko, I've added you to the https://launchpad.net/~sahara-bugs you now have an ability to triage and target bugs18:48
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elmikoSergeyLukjanov: awesome! thanks18:48
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SergeyLukjanovand to https://launchpad.net/~sahara-coresec this group is used to contact sahara folks about OSSG stuff18:49
elmikocool18:49
toskySergeyLukjanov: oh, the same as documentation, I see18:49
SergeyLukjanovtosky, yup18:50
toskySergeyLukjanov: but I'm not a core reviewer18:50
SergeyLukjanovI'm not sure that it's an issue18:50
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SergeyLukjanovit's more relevant for the huge projects18:50
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toskySergeyLukjanov: if you think it's not a problem, I can add my name; is there a way to check?18:52
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SergeyLukjanovtosky, I'll talk with qa guys about it18:52
SergeyLukjanovI think we'll talk about it on summit too18:52
toskyoki18:52
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SergeyLukjanovtosky, I'm keeping you in mind for this job :)18:53
toskyoki :)18:54
SergeyLukjanov5 mins left18:54
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crobertsrhjust enough time to #endmeeting? :)18:56
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SergeyLukjanovyeah ^)18:57
mattf+118:57
SergeyLukjanovso, sounds like there is no more topics to talk about18:57
SergeyLukjanovthank you all folks!18:57
SergeyLukjanov2 mins to have an extra coffee18:57
SergeyLukjanov#endmeeting18:57
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amitgandhinz#startmeeting Poppy Weekly Meeting19:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Oct 23 19:00:12 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is amitgandhinz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:00
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amitgandhinz#topic RollCall19:00
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amitgandhinzo/19:00
obulpathio/19:00
tonytan4evero/19:00
megan_w_here19:00
ametts\o/19:00
catherineo/19:00
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amitgandhinz#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Poppy19:01
malinio/19:01
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amitgandhinz#topic Last Week Today with Amit Gandhi19:01
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megan_w_nice19:01
amitgandhinz#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/__poppy/2014/__poppy.2014-10-16-18.59.html19:01
amitgandhinzso only one action item for megan_w_19:02
amitgandhinzgauge vendor participation for paris19:02
megan_w_i propose we change to an action item for amitgandhinz as the ptl19:02
amitgandhinzlol19:02
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amitgandhinzi did ping mike_hn to see his plans, he hadnt decided yet - chaotic schedule currently19:02
megan_w_but amitgandhinz and i did chat about determining the session agendas here today and then sharing those with vendors and other we want to join sessions19:03
malinimaybe amitgandhinz can let us know after the summit19:03
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amitgandhinzyeh lets define the agenda and then email it out the vendors19:03
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megan_w_good plan19:03
megan_w_so, that action item will be done today19:03
amettsTechnically you only have one 40-minute session, correct?19:03
amitgandhinzthats correct19:04
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megan_w_brown bag?19:04
megan_w_does that not fit into "technically"?19:04
amettsThat's a quick one-way presentation.19:04
amitgandhinzok lets get throught the bugs and bp and then we can spend the rest of the time on the summit topics19:04
megan_w_k19:04
amitgandhinzbrownbag is 15 min19:04
amitgandhinzhas time for Q&A but not much really19:04
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amitgandhinz#topic Blueprint updates19:05
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amitgandhinz#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy19:05
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amitgandhinzamitgandhinz: cloud-dns-driver - im going to change this to slow progress19:05
amitgandhinzin fact someone else may need to pick it up so will take my name off it19:05
obulpathiI picked it up19:06
obulpathiI swa that it was not assigned it anyone one on JIRA19:06
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amitgandhinzok assigned to you on launchpad19:06
obulpathicool, thanks :)19:06
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amitgandhinzmiqui: add-docstrings?19:07
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amitgandhinzis that complete yet, or are there sections still requiring it?19:07
miquihi guys...19:07
miquisorry am late..19:07
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amitgandhinznp19:07
miquitime flys...19:07
amitgandhinzglad you could make it miqui19:07
miquiamitgandhinz:  is not done...19:07
amitgandhinzok thanks19:07
amitgandhinzill mark it as slow progres19:07
miquinow that i have finally format that passed...then will propagate that via another patch..19:08
amitgandhinzawesome =)19:08
amitgandhinztonytan4ever: delete-service19:08
tonytan4everThis one is merged.19:08
tonytan4everso I think its status should be done ?19:08
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amitgandhinzdone19:09
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amitgandhinztonytan4ever: purge-content19:09
tonytan4everThis one is under review now.19:09
amitgandhinzamitgandhinz: dns-driver19:09
tonytan4everSo it is in "Review Needed" status19:09
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amitgandhinzill leave this open per the prev comment19:10
amitgandhinzand reassigned it to obulpathi19:10
obulpathicool, I got it19:10
amitgandhinzobulpathi: patch-service19:10
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obulpathiits almost done, was waiting for dependent patches to go through19:11
amitgandhinzok19:11
obulpathinow I have all the required patched patches19:11
amitgandhinzcool19:11
obulpathiwill submit the patch today19:11
amitgandhinzmalini: gate-cassandra19:11
amitgandhinzwell i think this was going to be reassigned right?19:11
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maliniNo progress19:11
amitgandhinzi;ll remove you19:11
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malinithanks amitgandhinz19:11
amitgandhinzmiqui: home-doc19:12
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miquihave not started..19:12
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amitgandhinzok19:12
amitgandhinzok thats it for bp's19:12
tonytan4everAlso amitgandhinz: you can open a new BP, 'set-referrer-restrictions', and assign it to me19:12
amitgandhinzmoving onto bugs19:12
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amitgandhinzah set-restrictions is there19:13
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amitgandhinzi'll assign to you19:13
tonytan4evercool19:13
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obulpathialso I am working on the ttls19:13
obulpathican you please assign it to me19:13
obulpathimay be i need to create a bp for this one?19:13
amitgandhinzdo we have the ttl story there?19:13
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amitgandhinzyeh, can u issue the bp please19:14
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obulpathisure, thanks :)19:14
amitgandhinzok anything else i missed19:14
amitgandhinzok moving on then19:15
amitgandhinz#topic bugs19:15
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amitgandhinz#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/poppy19:15
amitgandhinzmost of the flavor bugs have a patch submitted now19:15
amitgandhinzso lets get them merged so these can be cleared out19:15
maliniyayy!19:15
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amitgandhinzlets just review the undecided items here19:16
amitgandhinzDELETE brings down cassandra19:16
amitgandhinzeeek19:16
malinitht is fixed19:16
maliniCYMBALS19:16
tonytan4everEr...19:16
miqui...hmmmwow..19:16
amitgandhinzyou want to elaborate?19:16
malinitonytan4ever: ?19:17
amitgandhinzwas it just deletes or something else causing cassandra to fall19:17
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tonytan4everI don't know about that, but before DELETE-service patchset was merged,19:17
tonytan4evercassandra-driver don't reuse session,19:18
malinicpowell mentioned tht we had a lot of FDs open before tonytan4ever 's patch19:18
tonytan4everwhich could potentially crash cassandra cluster.19:18
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amitgandhinzso the changes in the delete-service patch fixed this?19:18
tonytan4everI believe so.19:18
amitgandhinzawesome19:18
amitgandhinzlets keep an eye on this19:18
tonytan4everabsolutely.19:19
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amitgandhinzhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/poppy/+bug/138427119:19
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1384271 in poppy "List Services - NON ASCII limit causes poppy to return 500" [Undecided,New]19:19
malinithis one is kinda weird..I thought this was fixed . But I can repro it with the API tests19:19
obulpathiI will take a look at it19:20
maliniobulpathi: this is the test https://github.com/stackforge/poppy/blob/master/tests/api/services/test_services.py#L17819:20
maliniI will add it to the bug19:20
amitgandhinzok everything else has been evaluated19:20
amitgandhinzso any thing else to talk about on bugs before we move on19:20
maliniyes..there is one19:21
malinihttps://bugs.launchpad.net/poppy/+bug/138215519:21
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1382155 in poppy "/health endpoint returns wrong status when cassandra is offline" [Medium,New]19:21
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maliniwell it has been evaluated19:21
maliniSorry19:22
maliniwe can move on19:22
amitgandhinzapology accepted =)19:22
malinithanks amitgandhinz :D19:22
amitgandhinzok now for the fun stuff =)19:22
amitgandhinz#topic Kilo Design Summit Agenda19:22
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amitgandhinz#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/poppy-design-session-paris19:23
amitgandhinzso lets use this etherpad to brainstorm what we should focus on during the design session19:23
amitgandhinzit will be a 40 min session19:23
amitgandhinzat 2pm Tuesday19:23
amitgandhinzfollowed by a 15 min brownbag session at 345p19:23
maliniDo you think we shud use that as a design session?19:23
maliniIt kinda makes sense for established projects19:24
amitgandhinzthe brown bag session will be just an overview of Poppy19:24
amitgandhinzsimilar to the talk i gave in the Atlanta Meetup last week19:24
amitgandhinzThe design session, im thinking to focus on a quick overview of Poppy, current features being worked on19:24
amitgandhinzand then spend the rest of the time talking about what the next set of priorities should be19:25
amitgandhinzObvious ideas are Swift integration19:25
megan_w_amitgandhinz: is the agenda going to be posted somehwere?19:25
amitgandhinzI will invite some of the Swift devs to the design session19:25
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amitgandhinzyes it will19:25
malinishud we also discuss our current architecture etc. in case anybody has concerns with any modules we are using?19:25
amitgandhinzand during the session this will be a working doc19:25
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amitgandhinzthis etherpad is already linked in the wiki here...19:25
megan_w_ah ok.  i was going to propose we have a agenda for if vendors show up vs not19:26
miquigood idea malini19:26
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amitgandhinz#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Poppy/Talks19:26
amitgandhinzmalini: we could19:27
amitgandhinzmaybe i can go through the arch in the intro19:27
amitgandhinzlets move to the etherpad ...19:27
amitgandhinzand please add your name in the box so we know your colors =P19:27
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tonytan4evercan anybody give me the etherpad link ?19:28
obulpathihttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/poppy-design-session-paris19:28
tonytan4everthanks19:28
obulpathi:)19:28
amitgandhinzwho is bookwar?19:28
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bookwar_amitgandhinz: here19:31
amitgandhinzhi bookwar_, i saw your nick in the etherpad, was curious who you were19:32
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bookwar_amitgandhinz: i've just went to check what is this project about, nothing serious :)19:33
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amitgandhinzah nice, more than welcome to hang out and help19:33
amitgandhinzalways looking for new contribs19:33
amitgandhinz=)19:33
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megan_w_amitgandhinz: let's talk about an overall goal.  if you could come out of the design session with one thing, what would it be?19:35
megan_w_more contributors?19:35
megan_w_more blueprints?19:35
amitgandhinzmore contributors (but i think that is a side effect of publicity rather than something we can get out of a design session explicity19:35
amitgandhinzi think an understanding of what the community thinks is most valuable would be really good feedback19:36
megan_w_agreed, but if we are lucky enough to get people there, let's set them up to be contributors19:36
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amitgandhinzand an impression of if cdn is in high demand and we should be looking towards incubation19:36
megan_w_amitgandhinz: are the "core" vs "ecosystem" lines drawn clearly enough to talk about?19:37
amitgandhinznot yet19:37
amitgandhinzi think they will talk about that during the summit19:37
maliniIt'll be cool to get validation from folks who really work with CDN (a.k.a vendors?)19:37
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maliniwe shud probably not worry abt being in core or ecosystem at this point19:38
megan_w_i tend to agree.  but i don't want to waste time talking about incubation until that's figured out19:38
amitgandhinzyeh, im just worried about vendors not showing up19:39
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maliniDo we even need to talk abt incubation now? we shud focus on building the right thing and reputation in the community before incubation19:39
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megan_w_amitgandhinz brought it up, not me :)19:40
maliniits always his fault :-P19:40
megan_w_amitgandhinz: do you want to nail these down to 4-6 topics?19:40
amitgandhinzso my guess is that after the intro and current design, we will have about 20-30 min left on forward looking topics19:40
miquii would...19:40
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miquiits only 40 min no?19:40
amitgandhinzya19:40
megan_w_yeah19:41
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maliniDepending on who is present, amitgandhinz might want to spend more/less time on certain topics19:41
megan_w_shall we vote somehow or talk it out?  my highest priorities would be swift, analyics, and ssl19:41
amitgandhinzlets vote on what we think is highest19:41
megan_w_analytics is kind of a nice, value add, fun problem to solve19:42
amitgandhinzeveryone put a +1 next to the most important19:42
amitgandhinzmegan_w_: agreed, but i wonder how we can generalize log analysis19:42
megan_w_only one?19:42
maliniCan I +1 the intro?19:42
malini*-)19:42
amitgandhinzjust the ideas section19:43
amitgandhinzmegan_w_: lets do +1 against most important19:43
amitgandhinznot everyone +1 everything else it becomes pointless lol19:43
megan_w_k19:43
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obulpathiamitgandhinz: can you please add little bit more details on cielometer tracking19:48
amitgandhinzobulpathi: so ceilometer integration19:48
amitgandhinzthis came out of last weeks meetup with dhellmann19:48
obulpathiyes19:48
amitgandhinzhe suggested surfacing metrics via ceilometer19:48
amitgandhinzto do tracing19:48
miquihahaaha on line 63:19:48
amitgandhinzso for example we log a request coming through poppy, to the provider, and through designate19:48
obulpathicool19:49
amitgandhinzand surfface those through ceilometer19:49
amitgandhinzits just an idea19:49
amitgandhinzi need to look into it more19:49
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tonytan4everWhat about streaming feature ?19:50
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amitgandhinzso there is video streaming19:50
amitgandhinzalso PUSH originss19:50
tonytan4everCome on, ought to give streaming +1 guys19:51
amitgandhinzok so 9 min left in the meeting19:51
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amitgandhinzim just thinking if we can realistically do that by May19:51
amitgandhinzwith Swift integration and other basic functionality19:51
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miquii think perhaps better get a solid footing on the basic features,etc...19:52
megan_w_i think they are bot important, just swift more19:52
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miquiswift would be good to have i think...19:52
megan_w_bot=both19:52
amitgandhinzyeh, i would like the basic stuff to be solid19:52
maliniamitgandhinz: +119:52
megan_w_amitgandhinz: so what if we focus on design for this session, and our goal of the brown bag is getting contributors/participants19:53
amitgandhinzwe can19:53
amitgandhinzthe brown bag is going to be more marketing speak19:53
megan_w_i know you already have some stuff put together, but don't forget your marketing hat :)19:53
amitgandhinzhey this is poppy19:53
amitgandhinzwe are doing cool stuff19:53
amitgandhinzcome help us19:53
malini& you get a high19:54
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megan_w_"poppy allows operators to quickly add cdn to their portfolio"  = money for cdn providers :)19:54
megan_w_you get it19:54
malinimegan_w_: you are genius19:54
amettsDemos are aways good if you can pull it off -- even if its a super-simple 2-minute one via a ssh connection.19:54
amettsJust shows that we're not vaporware19:55
megan_w_i was thikning something recorded would even be good19:55
megan_w_or is that a no no?19:55
amitgandhinzmaybe (if it all runs nicely on my machine)19:55
amitgandhinzbut im weary of the internet connection to the vendor19:55
miquiyes...19:55
amettsKey thing is to keep the logistics simple, so you don't burn all your time fiddling with the equipment.19:55
miquithat is most defiantely a concern...19:56
miquiwas not that great last summit ...19:56
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amettsIf you do it from a cloud server, all you have to worry about is ssh to the cloud server.19:56
amettsAnd if that flakes out, well, you tried.19:56
miquiif its a demo that runs entirely local... best...19:56
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amitgandhinzmiqui: +1. except i cant run fastly or akamai locally =P19:56
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amettsamitgandhinz is a wimp19:57
miquiahhh..hmm..19:57
maliniamitgandhinz: you shud try harder19:57
amitgandhinzhmmm....we need to integrate with an opensource cdn implementation we can run via docker haha19:57
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amitgandhinzok 3 minutes left19:57
miquiright fire up docker container running poppy+cdn...19:57
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megan_w_time check: 2 min19:58
amitgandhinzthis etherpad is still around so we can pick it up later and discuss again next thur19:58
amitgandhinzmiqui: will you be in paris?19:58
miquinope...19:58
amitgandhinz=/19:58
miquiwill try for vancouver...19:58
amitgandhinzya19:58
amitgandhinzok so SWIFT is a discussion point19:58
maliniwe all have to go from atl to vancouver so we can meet :D19:58
amitgandhinzand second topic?19:58
amitgandhinzor warig and see19:58
amitgandhinzQueues looks next popular19:59
amitgandhinzs/warig/wait19:59
miquiif the nature of a typical CDN request is async... then queues make a ,lot of sense...19:59
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megan_w_amitgandhinz: time20:00
amitgandhinzok lets move to the other channel20:00
amitgandhinz#endmeeting20:00
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openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2014/poppy_weekly_meeting.2014-10-23-19.00.txt20:00
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2014/poppy_weekly_meeting.2014-10-23-19.00.log.html20:00
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